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The Joe Rogan Experience.

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

We can talk as long as you want.

No, it's up to you. It's up to you.

I'll talk to you forever. I have so many questions. I'm very excited to meet

you. I've seen you in documentaries for decades.

So many documentaries. I've watched so many things about Egypt. I'm completely

fascinated by it. You know, I will tell you something.

Do you know this guy used to do a radio show late evening?

Art Bell?

The best.

He was the best. I need to say this on air. I need to say this story on air.

Okay. Now, are we on air now? Yeah, we're on air.

Art Bell used every evening to attack me.

He attacked you? Yes.

Oh. How the Egyptian can move stones.

Oh. That's not true.

The Egyptians cannot do that. Ba -ba -ba -ba -ba.

Then I was teaching at UCLA, and he called me for an interview.

I said, no, I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in

Egypt.

And he said, okay. He came with his wife.

I took him to a quarry that we are cutting stones to construct the thing.

Then I brought a stone, eight tons weight, and I brought a

man on the age of 70.

And I told this man, cut this stone.

The old man stood above the stone. You know, stone has weak parts like us.

With a pencil, he draw a line from the beginning to

the end.

In the middle, he put a piece of iron, pump, pump, he cut it for twice.

Acid art, the Egyptian, doesn't use muscles.

They use their brain because the pyramid was the national project of the whole

nation. If you go today, if I take you today, Wisby, and, you know, I always

tell people this. I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American

groups, and I tell them the following.

If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look at it, you will

believe that this pyramid built by human beings.

Why? Because you don't know.

And number two, if you try to do it today, you'll never be able to do it.

you going to hire today 10 ,000 workmen to work for 28 years for

nothing? That was the national project of the whole nation.

I think Art Bell's real...

concern was how would someone possibly move those stones 4 ,500 years ago?

A lot of questions, right? Yes. But can I answer you now? Yes, please.

Listen. Two examples I will tell you.

The first example happened a few years ago.

I discovered a tomb in a site called Abu Sir.

In the top of the tomb, there was

A huge granite sarcophagus.

20 tons weight.

Okay? Okay.

If you come to Egypt.

Have you been to Egypt? No, I haven't.

You have to. If you talk about Egypt. I know I have to. You have to come. I

know. But you have to tell me before you come. I will tell you. Now. I promise.

I brought only 10 people.

Because I called the minister of culture.

And I told him.

We found an intact two.

And the minister said, wait, I will bring the reporter the press and we'll

live. I said, okay. But I hate to do anything live.

Then I came to the site. I brought my workmen.

Ten workmen only moved the 20 tons only by

wooden sledges. We found underneath another sarcophagus.

10 tons weight of granite. We took the third one and we found underneath

another, a third one, five tons weight. We took the five tons out and we found

underneath a coffin with the mummy.

And I told the workman, put everything back.

And I called the minister. I said, you can bring the press. We'll open it live.

I never told him that I cheated him. But only in a site that I'm excavating

right now.

We do discover 60 feet under the ground, we discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid

is about 10 tons weight.

To workman only, open the lid for me.

We have a machine called the devil.

I don't know why they called it the devil.

Devil? Devil.

Why? I don't know. I asked them. They said our grandfathers called it like

This is an ancient machine?

It is an ancient machine.

Jamie could probably pull it up. It's probably online. Then they put this

machine under the lid, and they come doing like this, and they raise

the lid a little bit.

So when the lid is raised, they put a piece of wood, another piece of wood,

until there is a half a feet that they can put my face inside

with a flashlight to see what's inside the coffin.

That's what we, because the people today are the descendants of the ancient

Egyptian.

There is a village located north of Luxor.

And this village, all the people work in antiquities.

And they know, if you look at their faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian

people. And all the people working with me. I'm excreting right now.

In Giza, we're going to tell you good news inside the great pyramid that we

found.

And also in Saqqara and Luxor.

And that's why in my lecture tour now, I'm making major important announcement

that we'll talk about it with you today.

Okay. What did you find?

Now, you know, can I call you Joe?

Please do. And you call me Zahi. Okay. Now, you know, I do receive fan emails.

You receive emails?

Fan. Fan emails. About 50 a week.

Some of them bad ones.

Some people think that I discovered evidence to prove

that pyramids built by aliens or lost civilization and I hide them.

I never answer this question.

But to you, I tell you, how do I, how can I hide anything?

I'm not working alone.

I'm working with people. You cannot hide anything because people will see you.

And I will tell you a joke.

It happened, but it's a joke.

A reporter came to see me from California to my office, and my office

located next to the Great Pyramid of Kufu.

And he said to me, people say at 12 noon, you leave your office and you go

the bathroom and you open a tunnel from your bathroom.

That's what he said.

And you go from the tunnel to the Great Pyramid, and you hide things, and you

come back. I said, okay, what do you need from me now?

He said, I want to see your bathroom.

This really happened.

He went to my bathroom.

Did he check all the panels? And he came back. Have you seen any tunnels in my

bathroom? He said, no.

I said, what are you going to do now?

He said, I will publish your bathroom in the Internet.

And therefore, if you want to see my bathroom, write W.

www .havasbathroom .com Is that much of an issue? That people really believe it?

That you had to make a website for it? They do. They do believe in this. And

some of them attack me badly.

Well, that's part of the problem, right? The Egyptian pyramids and just Egypt in

general is so spectacular.

The accomplishments of the ancient Egyptians were so monumental and so

anything that anybody had ever achieved.

And since, you know, what they've done,

thousands and thousands of years ago still to this day puzzles people when

try to figure out how it was built.

I will tell you. You will tell me how it was built? Of course. Okay.

How do you know?

How do you know?

How do you know? I found all the evidence of building the pyramid. We

a book, 1 ,000 pages.

This book is the Bible of the pyramids of Giza Plateau. Okay. Tell me how they

did it.

Now.

What we found out, the major problem that people think

about pyramids, because most of the information that's written on pyramids

wrong. Most of it? Most of it. In archaeology books? In archaeology books.

Really? Except me and Mark Lehner. You guys are the only ones that have it

right? Because I have been working in Gaza for the last 50, 70 years of my

I excavated every bit of sand.

Okay. What do the archaeologists have wrong in these archaeologist books?

For example, number one, they say that the workmen who built the pyramids

only four months a year.

When the flood covered the whole country, the king hired the workmen to

this pyramid. This is wrong. And I will tell you what's correct.

Number two, that the stones used in building the Great Pyramid, came from

And Torah is 25 miles to the east from Giza.

And number three, that Kufu ruled for 23 years.

And number four, that the stones of the Great Pyramid are 2 ,300 ,000 blocks.

How many blocks are there?

Now, let us talk about number one, the workmen. The workmen. I found the tombs

of the pyramid builders.

Only one mile.

South of the things.

A major important discovery that can tell everyone, number one, that

pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the

cemetery. And they were not slaves.

Is that your phone? I have to.

Yeah, kill that thing.

Kill it. You're right.

I always, because I do lots of interviews, I always close it. Oh, I get

Accept it today.

No worries.

Nobody knows how to shut these things off anymore.

Then now, this discovery. Okay, so explain. So you found the pyramids,

me, you found the workers' pyramids graves a mile away. Away, one mile south

the pyramids. And by their names?

Then I found name of the workmen. I found the lower symmetry.

The lower symmetry were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones.

And the upper cemetery was for the technicians.

Right. And how do you know this? I will tell you. Okay.

Now, the tombs down there are very primitive tombs built from mud brick.

It's nothing.

Underneath is a skeleton.

And if the skeleton is for a man, he's holding a beer jar.

He wants to drink beer in the afterlife.

If the skeleton is for a woman, she has a perfume vessel.

She wants to have perfume in the afterlife.

Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21 titles in hieroglyphic.

For example, the overseer, in hieroglyphic, of the side of the

Oh, it says that, the overseer of the side of the pyramid? Yes, emiragismir,

hieroglyphic. The overseer of the west side of the pyramid.

Draftsman, craftsman.

The one who stand in front of the harbour.

All these titles had to do with building the pyramid.

Inside the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptians used to cut the

What tools?

Do you write an affluent tools?

Because in the old kingdom, there was no iron.

Are these photos of these tools available online? Can we look at them?

Yeah, I can send it to you. Are they online? No, in my book.

Giza and the pyramids. I don't know if it's online. I'm sure it's online. Jamie

will find it. So these tools were flint and durite. What is durite? Durite.

D -I -O -R -I -T -E.

Durite is more sharp stone than iron.

And it came from a quarry south of Aswan.

So you feel like they used this very hard stone to cut into the ground. And I

will come back.

to this cutting the stones. But let me continue about the workmen.

To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish.

We found an area for the bakery, making bread.

We found the workmen barracks for the workmen who want the stones to live.

We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans.

And we discovered thousands of animal bones.

Because people always say, that the workmen who built the pyramid, they ate

garlic and bread and drink beer.

And I thought if they do that, they will die.

But now we discovered that they slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats

every day.

And this can feed 10 ,000 workmen a day. Then we believe now, and I published,

that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10 ,000 workmen.

And they worked every day, and they took one day off every ten days.

Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was a national project.

The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to

be a god.

And therefore, the households in the south and the north of Egypt

in building the pyramid by sending workforce and food to help the king.

Now we come to the second point, the stones.

We discovered.

That all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza, the stones came from

in the site itself.

Even the king's chamber?

No, except the granite in the king's chamber.

And where did that come from? From Aswan. And that's 500 miles away, right?

by the flood.

The flood. And those were 50 to 80 tons?

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't? Yes.

If I was working there, it wouldn't matter.

No, because I shot you. I shot you. Not 50 tons.

It's 20 tons.

Now, what we found out, first, how the Egyptians built the pyramid.

They make on the ground a square base.

Okay? Okay.

And after that, they cut in the solid rock in the four sides.

You know, I'm going to tell you one thing.

Okay. If you tell me, that pyramids built by giants.

Okay?

I would say, okay.

Come to the excavation.

All the skeletons that you discover are five to six feet high.

Nothing about giants. Who's saying they were built by giants?

Some people say that. Oh, okay.

The second. I've heard aliens.

Okay, the second, aliens.

If aliens built the pyramids, do they leave any? Do they shit sometimes?

Aren't they going to shit?

Maybe aliens don't shit.

If they don't shit, are they going to leave something on the ground?

On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that I will

today of actual workers and what's happening. Now, we come about building

pyramid.

All the stones I told you came from Ginza Plateau. We found out what

first. They cut in the third rock.

Okay. And they made the base.

Of the pyramid to be 28 feet on the solid rock.

No stones.

Do you get this? Yes. We have in Egypt 120 pyramids.

We don't have only Kofu pyramid that everyone is talking about.

You have 120 pyramids. This is one of them. Right. But the reason.

That this pyramid is so accurate and strong because Giza Plateau is the only

site in Egypt of the pyramids.

It's a part of the Mokattam formation.

It has three levels.

Level one and two are variable stones.

But level three is the top quality of the stones.

Then the Egyptians used this stone to build the pyramid.

Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be 20 feet each of stone, we

found out 1 ,000 feet.

Away, we found out the quarry location.

So they only had to bring the stones 1 ,000 feet?

Only.

Only the stones.

The stones?

That came from outside are the casing stones. And I will talk about this

That came from Torah. And the granite came from Aswan. And the casing stones

were the outside smooth surface.

Exactly. It came from Torah. Okay. Then now, when we discovered the quarry

location, and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they established the

ramp.

You know the ramp? Right. To move. To move the stones.

Right. We found out if the Egyptian will make the ramp from the quarry to the

base, it will never happen.

Because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp.

We found out, listen to this carefully, that the only way to have a permanent

ramp is to come to the south.

West corner of the main pyramid.

They built the ramp like this.

Okay.

And I excavated. And these are photos in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

I excavated from here to here.

When the Egyptians construct a ramp, when they finish building the pyramid,

demolish the ramp.

They cannot demolish all of it. They have to leave something in the ground.

Okay. Do you get this? Yes. I excavated from here to here.

I found in situ remains of the ramp.

Are there photos of this?

Of course. In my book. Okay. Let's find the photos of the equipment first.

Can't find anything?

It's in my book. What did you find?

Nothing.

Nothing? How is that not online?

That doesn't even make any sense.

It's in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

Maybe look up from his book.

These are the tombs of the pyramid builders.

Right there. The excavation.

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And this is all what I discovered. This is my discovery of everything.

Every piece of sand here tells us about the builder of the pyramid. But let me

continue this.

I will come to you.

Now, let us, if you go to my book, you will find out that I found here that you

write and the Flint tools.

Listen. Now, I will come.

The stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau.

The casing came from Torah.

Now we come to how many years Kufr ruled.

Joe, there is one big discovery happened a few years ago.

Are these the tools?

No, no. This is tools for artists.

The tools in our book, which is big, do you write tools?

And big flint tools, big ones.

Why is this not online?

We'll never put it online. It's in my book.

Right, but I mean, wouldn't that be everywhere?

I mean, that's such a huge archaeological discovery.

It's not.

It's because it's everywhere.

It's not only in the World Command only.

It's in every site.

You have these tools in many sites.

Right, but why aren't these tools online? That's all I'm asking.

Ask the people online, but they are in...

remains in my book. Are they in a museum somewhere?

There is some in the Cairo Museum, yes. So there should be a photograph of them

in the museum.

Okay.

What would Jamie look for?

But I don't know. I'm just like asking him. Now I want to come to... What

would have them? Cairo Museum.

Cairo Museum would have those tools?

Yes. Okay.

Now, a few years ago, a major discovery happened for the first

time.

It is...

The first time that we have written evidence about building the pyramid of

When did this happen?

Three years ago. Really? It's called the Wadi al -Jarf papyri.

Oh.

Do you want to know what's in this papyri? I do. This papyri was found in

in a port that belongs to Kufu.

And inside this port, there were caves.

And inside the caves... found remains of both and this big papyri.

It's large, huge.

That's it, exactly.

Okay? And what does this say?

Now... First of all, how old is that?

4 ,600 years ago. Isn't that amazing?

And listen.

So papyrus was made with animal skin, correct?

No, papyrus was made of papyrus, from the papyri. Right. The papyri is just

leaves.

Okay. Now, but listen to the papyri. It is a diary of an overseer of the

workmen. His name is Merer. M -E -R -E -R.

Okay?

Merer is saying,

I am Sahaj in hieroglyphic, means inspector.

Under me working 40 workmen.

I was hired by Kufu to work in his pyramid.

This is in hieroglyphic.

And he said, my immediate boss, his name is Didi.

Like P. Didi? Didi, yes.

Now.

20 years ago, in my excavation, west of the Great Pyramid

of Kofu, I discovered 20 tombs. Are these the tombs?

No, no.

No, these are not the tombs. No, no. The tombs are really sharp type of big

tombs. We found some of them.

What is that Jamie's looking at? What are these?

This could be the tombs in the left is like them.

In the left here.

Those tools?

No, no, no, no. More.

No doubt. No.

Where?

You know here there is two.

There is more. To the left. To the left. To the left.

To the left. No.

Again. What?

These two tools.

You mean up?

Down. What are you talking?

The second one.

After this one. That's it. Up.

That's it.

And this one.

Oh, those.

Those. Yeah.

But don't those look exactly like the other photograph we just had? Those up

there. That looks like the heads of these things. But this one's small.

I'm talking about big ones. These are tools for making statues and things like

that, but not cutting the stone. Oh, I see. So these are the same kind of

though, with the same kind of materials. But let me talk about the papyri.

Because this many people doesn't know about this.

Then Miller said, my boss's name is Didi.

20 years ago, I excavated west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu. I found 20 tombs,

beautiful ones.

I published all of them, except one small tomb I said is not important.

Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Didi, the person that he was the

boss of Miller.

And I published this tomb.

You can find this tomb online now. It's called Didis Tomb by Zahi Hawass, west

of the Great Pyramid of Kufu.

Now, listen, Joe.

What Miller said, I took my workmen. This is in hieroglyphic. We went

to Torah to cut the white, fine limestone.

This sentence means that the pyramid was finished.

And Miller went.

to bring the stones for the casing.

And he said, I'm not alone.

There is many other gangs are cutting the stones.

And Torah is in north and south.

And he said, I divided my gangs to three gangs.

One gang to cut the stones.

And one gang is smoothing the stones. And smoothing the stones with the right

tools to face the stone.

for the casing.

And after that, he said, and the third group moving the stones in wooden

sledges. This is all in the papyri. In the papyri, to a cargo boat.

What happened in the Old Kingdom? We have evidence that the River Nile,

the Egyptians cut to the west of this River Nile another Nile

to be near the pyramid.

From this Nile, they cut a canal.

At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid.

I discovered in my excavation, in front of Kufu Pyramid, there is a village

called Nazlit Samman. In this village, the people were building houses.

Underneath the houses, we found basalt.

I stopped the construction of the houses, and I excavated the whole area.

found this is the harbor of Kufu, and I published this in an article.

And I excavated in front of the Sphinx temple, and I found the harbor of

and it's published.

Now, the reason for the canal and the harbor, to bring non -local stones,

granite from Aswan.

alabaster from Middle Egypt, durite from

Nubia, basalt from Fayyum,

white limestone from Tora.

The Egyptians had everything.

So they essentially cut a second canal. They cut a canal just so they could move

the stones to where they wanted them.

And they discovered all of this.

And this was published.

If you're right there, how was it? And so this was all the casing stones.

Exactly. Right. Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later?

No, after you finish building the pyramid.

Right. There is two important things when they finish building the pyramid.

I discovered in a site called Abu Sir. I discovered two things.

One thing, where can man drag a capstone?

Above the capstone is a hieroglyphic word called Jam.

So where is this?

What is this? This is in hieroglyphs? Yes. Dragging the capstone? Yes. Can we

see this?

Find out. I don't know if it's internet or not. What would Jamie look for?

Look for Zahi Hawass discovery in Abu Seir.

How much do you think was lost during the burning of the Library of

A lot, of course. Everything, right? Everything. And this is why what I'm

telling you, based, I have been excavating in Giza, Joe, for the last...

years. I know every piece of sand in the site. And I want to tell you one thing

also. I am the only Egyptologist who has an open mind.

Really?

You're the only one?

Yes. I always look at what the public say. And I will tell you about this

I will tell you what I found in the pyramid.

But let me finish.

This story, and after that I will come back to tell you how I look at what

people say and I try to investigate this.

Now, murder set.

I put the stones on a cargo boat. Okay.

And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau.

The workmen took the stones up to the pyramid.

We slept overnight in Giza.

I got up early in the morning with my workman, wanted to Torah. He made many

times talking about that.

Then he said, I wanted to Sinai to bring cover.

And Turk was.

But he said in Sinai, our big boss, his name is Ankaf.

We know from text that the architect who designed the Great Pyramid, who was

Kufu's cousin, his name was Hem Eono.

Then actually, it seems now that Yunus died and Ankaf completed the Great

Pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Kefren.

Then he said, I'm working in year 27 of Kufu's reign.

He mentioned that Kufu was alive in year 27.

How long do you think he reigned for? 28 years. I published an article. I

published an article about... You can find this article.

Why was the age 23 years, why was that attributed to them?

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Egyptologist has a problem when they count the name of the king.

Because when the Egyptian counted the cattle, they counted the reign of the

king. Sometimes they count the cattle every year.

Sometimes they counted the cattle every two years.

Then we make mistakes.

But now we have year 27 of Kufa's reign.

And we have on the second boat bed that the Japanese are restoring now, we know

when the king died, his son buried him.

Then Kufa's son.

His name is Jerry Frey, who did not respect his father. And I will tell you

He buried his father in year 28.

Then we know now for sure that Kufu ruled for 28 years.

Now, Miller said something that made me very happy.

Because 25 years ago, I wrote an article.

to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt.

I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid.

If the pyramid is in Abrawas, the king ruled Egypt from Abrawas.

If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abusir, Saqqara.

Then Merer said something many people do not believe me when I wrote this

article.

But Merer said,

Khufu lived in his palace at Giza.

If he lived in a palace at Giza, means with the royal family, the public, and

the government.

And he said that the area that Khufu lived in it, in the pyramid called Ankh

Khufu, in hieroglyphic, means Khufu lives.

This is the name of the city that Khufu lived in it.

And Miller said, we came to Giza in an area.

in a hieroglyphic called Rache.

And Rache means literally mouth of the lake.

This could be the entrance of Giza plateau.

But what's really strange, he said, it took me almost one day for me

and my workmen to up to come to the pyramid. Why?

Because Giza entrance was busy.

Every stone coming in has to be counted.

Every workman has to sign the first letter of his name.

And this is why if you go today to the port of New York, it will take you five

hours to enter because it's busy.

And this is what happened at Giza Plateau.

This papyri, in my opinion, is really one of the most important discoveries

tells us for the first time about building the pyramid.

And now we come to the reign of Khufu, 28 years, and now the stones of the

Pyramid.

I looked everywhere to find out how they counted

the stones. Okay.

That people said it's 2 ,300 ,000 blocks.

Right. I found no evidence.

It's only when the Arabs came. You know, all the theories that the New Age

people say now, it came from the Arabs.

When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they did all this nonsense

stories about the pyramids.

Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones.

But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high

of solid rock, no stones.

In 2010, I brought a team, scientists.

From every field. And we recounted the stones based on the new evidence, and we

found out that the stones of the pyramid are only no more than one million.

And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons.

So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high, carved into solid stone.

Yes. And then the other rocks were placed on top of it.

No, I want to come to when you told me about this cobblestone because we did

complete the cobblestone. Right, but let's start off with this, though. The

is 20 feet high, and then the estimation was 2 ,300 ,000, but you think

it's far less than that. Because of the new discovery that we found that the

base is made of the solid rock.

So before they thought the base was individual stones.

Yes. Okay. So now that you know the base is solid rock, that removes 1 ,300 ,000

stones that were necessary.

Yes. Got it. So they carved this base knowing they were going to put a pyramid

on top of it.

And what about the subterranean chambers?

Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid.

Every king except Kufu and his father Senefro.

The only two kings that are not buried underneath is Kufu and his father.

If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built.

If you go down, it's left unfinished.

Left unfinished in what way?

It was planned to cut it, but they did not complete it. You can see when you go

down that the burial chamber is not finished.

Why? Why?

Because I found out in our research.

Every king is Horus on earth.

When the king die, he become the sun god.

Okay? Okay.

Kufu, in year five, he said, I am the sun god.

And he abandoned the construction of the first burial chamber, and

he built his chamber within the pyramid, because he's the god.

And that's the queen's chamber, correct?

No. The first one. I'm going to come to this chamber later. Okay.

And the second evidence that he called his pyramid Akhet Khufu,

means the horizon of Khufu. And the only one in the horizon is the sun god.

And the third evidence is something that only occurred

at Giza.

The things.

and its temple.

I found that the thing represents Kephren, the son of Kufu, giving

with his two paws to his father, the sun god, Kufu, who rises and sits

in this temple, the first sun temple.

And this is why Kufu's pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids. And I

will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now. Okay.

Now, before I tell you about what I

discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you, that I found workmen

dragging a capstone.

You remember? You asked me that. We stopped on that.

Above the capstone, there is a hieroglyphic word called Ja 'im.

And Ja 'im means white and yellow gold.

A second scene I found.

Ladies dancing.

And they called them the khiner.

And the khiner are the dance troupe of the king. My interpretation of these two

things. When the pyramid was finished, the king asked the workmen to put the

cobblestone in the top of the pyramid.

When they put the cobblestone in the top of the pyramid, caged with gold,

the whole country danced.

and sing because the king became a god.

That's what I call the national project of the whole nation. The three millions

who lived in Egypt in the time of the whole kingdom, all of them participated

building the pyramid to make the king as a god.

This is your theory.

Not a theory. No? It's fact.

It is a fact. The pyramid.

It was the national project.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean, it's your theory that the capstone was put

on and everything. It's not a theory. It's based on evidence.

I found the scenes.

The papyri.

No, the papyri is something else.

What are the scenes? It's blocks.

Blocks? Limestone blocks.

One scene, working and dragging a capstone with the word chime.

Is this written in limestone blocks? Is this what you're saying? No, it shows

the working and dragging a stone.

Shows it where?

In the stone that I discovered.

So it's carved into the stone. Exactly. And the word Ja 'im in hieroglyphic

above that. Where is that at?

It's in Abusir. I found it. But are there photographs online? Yes, in my

I don't go online.

Why do I have to go online?

I go to my book. No, I understand. But for everybody else that doesn't have

immediate access to your book. Did you find them online?

It's called the Abusir blocks.

Abu Sir, A, B as in boy. How do you think they got the stones from the

chamber 500 miles away and put them 120 feet up in the ceiling?

I told you, if you come today and see how the workmen move 20 tons of granite,

you'll understand.

Workers today?

Yes, today like yesterday.

The same workman.

Okay. Right.

But we're dealing with a different time, correct? If they're doing it today,

they have access to modern machinery, right? No.

They don't? No. It's everything based on the idea of the national project.

They want to make this for the king. I understand the national project. But

I don't understand is the physics involved in moving 80 -ton blocks 500

through the mountains. If you don't believe.

on this it's not that i don't believe i just want to know inside this hold on

inside hold on okay it's not that i don't believe i want you to explain to

how you think they did it i explained to you from 500 miles away 50 to 80 tons

blocks this comes through the nile You can bring all the stones.

Right. But the quarries are in the mountains, right? No, the quarries, the

granite quarries in Aswan, and we have cutting of the obelisks and cutting of

the stones and cutting of everything in the site. And they brought – when the

flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood. They bring all the

stones to give the plateau. So they plan things for the floods, and then they

would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on and then move them

that way.

Now, if –

We now do not believe that this cannot be moved by human beings.

Okay?

But on the other side, what I can tell you, inside above these blocks, written

the names of the gangs who built the pyramid above the King's Chamber.

One of the names, Friends of Khufu. I did a 3D few months ago.

And we recorded in the five chambers that had these huge blocks.

We found two more names of the gangs.

One name called Those Who Are Connected With The Goodest Widget.

And written year 13 of Kofu's reign on the third chamber.

I took Mr.

Beast with me two months ago. I took him and I showed him how these blocks, they

were written.

By the workmen before they moved these stones.

And in the fourth room, we have the good God.

Another name was year 13 of Kofu's reign.

This is when they moved the stones. So I understand what you're saying. So

you're saying that they took these stones.

They waited for the flood season. They got these stones on raft. They moved

down the river. They got them to the site. How did they get them 120 feet in

air?

You know.

Again, this is the most important thing. This is a national project. Oh, I

understand. It was very valuable to them. I just wondered what technology

used. No technology.

Well, technology is tools. Technology is levers.

Whatever they had at the time was their current technology.

The huge wooden stitches.

Huge wooden sledges. This is the only way that today we move huge stones.

This is how my workmen moved 20 tons sarcophagus in a tomb.

How far did they move it?

They moved it just a few feet away.

But we have scenes of how workmen move 60

tons statue, how they move with religion.

Right. And they draw it. Yeah, I've seen those scenes. Yeah. Then we have all

this type of scene that the Egyptians show that.

Again, this is the national project.

Do you think they wet the ground?

Do you think that they did something like that to make the ground more slick

they can pull it? Yes.

And then are they using sleds?

Sledges.

Wooden sledges.

And then they just slowly but surely pulled it into position.

We have this in the tombs, the wooden sledges. Yeah.

But let me take you now to what I began to reveal, the secret

of Kufu pyramid.

Okay.

As I told you again, I always listen to what people say, and I try to prove them

if they are right or not.

I was interested.

in the Great Pyramids most of my life because I was the inspector of the

pyramid, director.

I spent most of my life there.

Then I closed this pyramid for a year to stop humidity.

To stop humidity?

Because every person... All the breathing?

Exactly. Inside the pyramid gives about 20 grams of water.

And this water becomes salt.

Then mechanically, I removed the salt.

They had to clean the walls. Exactly.

And after that, I thought, how can I make a ventilation system of the

pyramid? In the king chamber and the queen chamber, you have this

tunnel, 20 by 20 centimeters

only. Small tunnel. Right.

Then I thought I should clean this tunnel.

Then I can make a ventilation system.

I had no idea of what I'm going to find out.

What did you find out?

That I hired a German robot.

And we took the German robot to the king chamber.

We are sitting in the king chamber with the TV screen. And the robot entered in

the shaft.

We found out that the interior of the pyramid.

The stones were interplagued.

And this is why when the Arabs came to Egypt and they hid man first time and

time first pyramid.

Then we found out that this shaft went outside.

Then we put a fan here and the fan suck the air and push it in the tunnel

and we made a ventilation system in the pyramid.

So then, The discovery of these stones, what was unusual about the way they were

placed? You said they interlocked?

Interblocked. Interblocked? Yes. What do you mean by that?

Oh, like fingers.

Okay. So there's like different levels and they all slid in together?

How they put the stones with each other. Okay.

But now the most important, that I took the robot to the second chamber. Now we

know.

that the tunnel in the first chamber are open outside.

Open outside.

But I teach why we have these tunnels in the second chamber.

They call it wrong in the queen chamber.

Right. Then we took the robot to the northern tunnel of the queen chamber.

After 60 feet, the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending

to the left and the German robot could not bend.

Then we took the robot to the south tunnel.

The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in front of a door which took

cover handles.

That was the first discovery.

Now, I began to think, how can I find out

what's behind this door?

In 2002, I was chosen.

by the National Geographic as Explorer in Residence.

There were nine explorers.

With us was Bill Billard, who found Titanic.

Each explorer had a dream. I told them, I need you to design a robot for me. I

want to find out what's behind this door.

And they did make a robot, and they called it Pyramid Rover.

We took the pyramid rover and the robot went in the south tunnel and the robot

had a drilling on his hand.

The robot opened one hole, one centimeter and one millimeter,

and sent an optic camera through this hole.

We found after 21 centimeters of this door, a second one.

And the second one, It has an eggy shape like that, as if it's hiding

something. Then after that, we went to the northern tunnel that was bending.

We found out it's bending north and south for 24 feet.

And the reason for the bending was to avoid the Grand Gallery.

At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door.

which took cover handles in the same distance of this one.

And these doors are very small, right? Very small, 20 by 20 centimeters.

Okay. Now, I spent most of my life from

2002 until 2024,

last year.

I found a team from England.

And we worked it last year for three seasons.

Number one, I found out above

the King's Chamber, a big void.

I'm sorry, above the Grand Gallery.

This void, the size of two trucks.

Now, the second void.

Behind the northern tunnel, another small void.

Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions.

Really? So those are the only hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid,

can show you the footage.

Do you have the footage here?

If you can come to my lecture in Houston. What about right here, right

I can send it to you.

Where do you have it?

Do you have it on you? In my computer.

Where's your computer?

In Las Vegas.

Oh, well, fuck.

But I can send it to you. Yeah, but I want to show it on the show.

Show it in the show. I can send it to you tomorrow.

Okay. You can send it tomorrow?

Yes. Okay. We'll splice it in, folks.

Then tomorrow I will send it to you. Please do.

Okay. I'll give you my email.

I'll give you Jamie's email. Yeah. Give me... But you should come and... Can you

come and introduce me here in Houston?

Excuse me?

Can I introduce you in Houston? No, I cannot.

Why? Because I'm very busy. Okay.

Fine. If I had known in advance, I could have. Oh, fine. Yeah. Fine. Fine.

Unfortunately,

I don't have any free time, Zahi.

Zahi. Zahi.

Zahi. Not Zawi.

Zahi. Then now.

Mr. Hawass. Then now, what we are going to do.

So this is the only pyramid. Can I ask you, though? This hieroglyphics inside

this chamber that you've discovered, these are the only hieroglyphics in the

Great Pyramid. Is that correct? No, there is in the five chambers. I told

Oh, in the other chambers. I told you in the five chambers. Now we have five

names of the Genghis who built the pyramids.

These are all recent discoveries?

Yes. Within how long? How recent? This void as

last year, 2024.

The hieroglyphic discovery or three months ago.

So all this is very – isn't that fascinating that you've been studying

pyramids for so long and you're still finding things? But listen to me what

going to do. What are you going to do? There is a friend of mine.

His name is Leslie Greif.

Leslie is from Hollywood.

He did with me many live TV shows and he did with me Chasing Mummies.

And Leslie now is working to find a network.

To come, we need to do this program live.

Okay. I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid,

we're not hiding anything.

I want to show them the hieroglyphic. Why do you always feel like you're in

battle with people? Because they attack me. Okay, I understand.

I'm not in a battle with people. They are in a battle with me. I understand

that. I understand that. But I'm giving you an opportunity to just lay things

out. You don't have to argue with people that aren't here.

I'm not arguing. Fuck those people. I'm not arguing.

I'm just telling the people. I'm just fascinated by the discovery itself.

So what does it look like, the hieroglyphs? I know you can read

right? Is that science?

You can read that stuff. Yes, but the signs are not clear.

It's not clear?

No. We need to do more investigation in September.

Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there? You know, because when the

write inside,

The five chambers, for example, they don't write hieroglyphic. They write a

cursive hieroglyphic.

It's called the hieratic.

And this hieratic, Joe, it's very difficult to read from outside.

What does that look like? It's a cursive of the hieroglyphic. Let me see what

that looks like, Jamie.

That's fascinating.

No, this is hieroglyphic. This is hieroglyphic. That's hieratic. We need

about hieratic. On the right -hand side, it says hieratic. Exactly. Look at the

one on the right. This is hieratic.

Okay. Then it's very difficult. God, it's so beautiful.

Yeah. What a beautiful language.

Like the way it's written, it looks like art.

Then, Joe, what we're going to do before the end of this year, we are going to

show what's inside this void's life.

Can you pick that up, Jamie?

These symbols that look like – make that larger, please. These symbols to the

far left that were right below Jamie's cursor.

Right there. Like what are those supposed to be? They are signs.

But what does it mean?

Look. It looks like a device or something.

The one down means fish for a determinant of a scribe. What is the one

cursive?

It's for a scribe. A scribe. Yeah. What does it mean?

Scribe. It means a scribe. Okay.

I understand.

So and then the other one on the hieratic, that's the cursive version.

No, I don't.

I'm not that expert in hieratic. Okay. Because hieratic is very cursive. I

understand, but I think this is showing that, right? I know. But we, if you look

at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very

difficult to read. But you can see they are hieratic, cursive signs.

Got it. But the most important that we are going to show this life.

Oh, wow. Okay. So people don't even know and you're going to show all this stuff

live. We will do it live.

But the other thing, we have another team called Scan Pyramids Team.

They are scientists from Japan, France, and Egypt.

I am the scientific director who really, if they discover something, they come

to me.

I have to discuss it with them.

And they found, you know, The pyramid.

Yeah. You have the entrance that the people use now is the entrance that the

Arabs opened. That's in the north face, correct? Exactly.

Above that is the main chamber.

Okay.

The team are using a very sophisticated technique like

ultrasound, infrared.

With this technique, you do not need any more to drill.

You can really see what's behind the door.

And this is really what I'm using right now. Then they came to me and they said,

behind the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor.

And they showed to me this corridor clear in the five

techniques that they're using.

But they told me, why I have to see it? Let's go up there.

We went up there.

And they sent an optic camera through the

stones. And they found, I could look at the corridor, 30 feet

long, 8 feet wide, topped with chevron shape. I think you

can see that in the Internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the

pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the Internet, I'm sure.

This void above the Grand Gallery?

The size of two trucks.

What do you think that is? I have no idea.

I'm just telling you what I found.

This was the Great Pyramid. I did more work on the Third Pyramid with the same

techniques and the Second Pyramid. This is the void. Can you see it? Wow, that's

incredible.

And I think, and bring the other big void above the Grand Gallery. I think

you'll see it also.

So find the void above the Grand Gallery, Jamie.

So it's two trucks.

The size of two trucks. The size of two semi -trucks.

And do you have any idea like what the inside – I will tell you about my

Please do.

I think it's here.

So that's the void. Yeah.

Now – And it's that shape. It's in that direction. So it's at a slope.

It's above the Grand Gallery.

That's it. That's it. Yeah. The scanned pyramid project.

Now, I tell you my theory. Please do.

We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Khufu. It's

after Khufu.

The story, it's written in a papyri.

It's called Khufu and the Magician.

It says that Khufu was staying in his palace, and he was very upset.

He was not happy.

And his son came to him. Your Majesty, why are you unhappy?

He said, I'm searching for the secret of the God of wisdom.

Then I can design my burial chamber in the pyramid.

Then his son told him, I know a magician.

His name is Gedi.

He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back.

And he knows the secret of the Gattuf, the girl with them.

He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back, but is the guy

alive? Is that what he's saying?

No, this is what the son is telling his father. I understand that. That Gedi can

do that. A lot of people can cut a guy's head off and put it back. But listen to

the story.

This is the story. Okay.

When the king told his son, bring this to me.

Okay.

They described him as 100 years old and he drank 1 ,000 beer.

Ziddi came in front of the king.

And Kufu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off.

He said, yes, your majesty.

He said, do it.

He said, Ziddi said, I cannot do it to the human being.

He said, okay, I will bring you a prisoner.

Ziddi said, a prisoner is a human being.

Then he told, he brought him a goose.

He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone.

And the head came back and the goose was running in front of everyone.

That's written in the story.

Do you believe that?

I come back to what's believed that now.

Okay.

And the king told him, I want to know the secret of the Gad Toth to design my

burial chamber.

He told him that.

This secret will not be in your hand.

It will be in the hand of another people who rule Egypt.

Kufu was very upset.

So he wouldn't give him the secret because the secret won't just be in your

hands. It'll get into other people's hands. Then the king was unhappy. He

them, don't worry, your majesty, because you will rule and your sons and your

grandson.

Now. About magic.

Yeah. Do you believe in religion or not?

Yeah. Okay.

Do you know about Judaism?

Sure, a little. When God told Moses, when Moses met God and God told him to

to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh. Right. And God told him, remember, the Pharaohs

are highly in magic.

Right. They will beat you.

Then God taught Moses how to be more in magic than the Pharaoh.

And you remember when he had the stick and the stick became a snake, I think.

And Moses brought more snakes to swollen what the Pharaoh did.

Then we know from books, from Judaism, from the beginning that the ancient

Egyptians were really highly in magic. Then we can believe.

Do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they

constructed the pyramids?

No? No.

You don't – but if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose's head

and put it back on, it's still alive.

That's magic.

Yeah. Wouldn't they use that magic for other things?

But we have – But if you believe in magic.

I do. Of course. You do. You do believe in magic. Yeah. So you believe that

someone could take someone's head off, put it back on. It's hidden.

Okay. Then it must be true. Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

What is this? Someone's going to kill a dove?

It's a magic trick. It can decapitate birds and stuff. Oh.

Okay. I was just reading it.

Apparently in the trick that he did it, he put the head on the other side of the

room and made him come back together. He did it to a calf and a different animal

also. Now, what really I want to tell you now. Well, that person's magic too.

Now, what I want to show you that I'm not a person.

What do you think magic is?

Magic is magic.

What do you mean? What do you think magic is? Well, how does it work?

I have no idea.

What do you mean by how it works?

Well, I mean, how does someone do something like that? I have no idea. We

to go back. Physically and biologically impossible.

We have to go back a year to 4 ,600 years ago. And do you think a lot of

information is what was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria?

Of course.

Unbelievably detailed records, right? Also, you know, because I will tell you

why we do not have any evidence about Khufu.

and things like that. Because what happened?

The ancient Egyptians believed that a pharaoh should be a male.

A pharaoh cannot be a female.

Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hit him.

Hatshepsut, when she became a pharaoh, they hated her and they destroyed her

monuments.

Kufu, when he changed his cult to be a sun god,

In the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the temples,

statues. The only statue of that king was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza.

Even in the temple of his sons, there were 23 statues.

They smashed the statues.

Smashing was a sign of revenge.

Now, do you have any question about this? Kofu Pyramid before I switch to

the Sphinx?

Well, I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects of Kofu's Pyramid. Well, one of the big

ones that's come up very recently that I'm sure you're aware of is these

satellite radar.

Was it called tomographic?

What is it called? Tomographic?

Where they think that there's these pillars underneath the structure.

Okay. I investigated this.

First of all, these two scholars from Italy, they have never been in

Egypt. They have never worked in the pyramids before.

Right. They're using satellite information. Number two, they published

article in a journal.

This journal did not send their article to the freeze.

You pay a fee to publish the article.

In your responsibility.

Okay. Number three, I am not a scientist.

I took these techniques that they used and I gave it to expertise.

And they said these techniques cannot show underneath

a solid rock of almost 600 feet down. No way.

Why can't they?

They said this cannot show that. But these scientists are saying they can. Do

you know about the Osiris shaft, how they've got a scan?

I just covered it. You did, right? Yes. But do you know that they use this

tomographic radar? No. No, I am the one who found it. No, I understand you found

it. But they also discovered it. They showed that it exists using the same

technique. No.

No. This is wrong.

This is not true at all.

I can tell you how I found that. I'll tell you. How can I find that? I'm not

saying that you didn't find it. It's under the paper Signature Aperture Radar

Doppler Tomography.

by Filippo Bondi, and if you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image, and

image is of the Osiris shaft, which shows that they got an accurate

of that from space.

That's not true.

It's not true. So what are you saying, that they're lying? They're lying.

They're completely lying. But if they're showing, using these techniques, things

that we know that you discovered that absolutely exist. Now, this technique,

I told you, Scientists said that this technique cannot show

600 feet under the pyramid.

The Osiris shaft that they found was only 50 feet under the ground. Right,

it's showing at least for 50 feet that this is accurate. What makes you believe

those scientists rather than these guys from Italy?

Because the scientists are scientists.

Well, these are scientists as well. They are not showing their techniques

carefully. They have not. What do you mean they're not showing their

carefully? Take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist.

No one, no one can tell you this is accurate.

I ask every person who knows about radar, ultrasound,

all the people who work with me, the scan pyramid project, they say this is

bullshit. It cannot happen.

At all.

Now, tell me. So you're telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming

the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that

can.

kilometers into the ground with this stuff. That's not true. Are you sure? Do

you understand the technology?

No, not me. So you're just listening to other people. Scientists who are in this

field. Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they

discoveries? I made a press release.

But did you talk to them? I did not. Why not? Because they did not talk to me.

How can I find them?

Would you be willing to talk to them? Of course I am. If I can connect you to

them? Yes, do. Okay, I'll connect you to them.

I'm just interested if new technology becomes available and they figure out a

way to look into the ground and you discover things, especially if they

the Osiris shaft and it turns out to actually be accurate. They did not

the Osiris shaft again. Okay, you discovered it, but they used their

to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris shaft. So the

shaft is true?

No. It's not. The images that we showed.

The Osiris shaft is known to everyone.

Right. It can be seen by anyone. But when they turned their equipment on the

Osiris shaft, it shows the actual interior.

Maybe. I don't know. But this is 50 feet. Let's look at it again. But that

about 600 feet. I understand. But if it can go 50 feet, why can't it go 600

feet? Now, again, I'm not a scientist. Right. So why are you dismissing it,

though? I gave.

what they published to our scientists, and they said this is not true.

Okay, but scientists are wrong all the time, particularly ones that are biased,

correct? Then what I did, I made a brief release explaining my point.

Yes. And I said, my work of the second pyramid, that the base of the pyramid

is 28 feet of solid rock. Right. And there is no way.

that anything can be happened in the solid rock.

And I explained... I think what they're saying is it's underneath the solid

rock, correct? Let me finish.

And I said, your technique that you published in this magazine is not

refried by scientists.

You just published it.

And number three, the team that's working in Giza with all these new

techniques, they said, this is wrong.

And they know. The team that's working in Giza with all these techniques, what

do you mean?

We have the scan pyramid team. Right. They're working. But you understand this

is different technology. I understand, but they know about this technology.

But have they used this technology? They said this technology cannot work,

cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid at all.

This is what they said.

And this is why if the Italians.

were confident they could contact me.

I'm the pyramid expert.

That anyone should... Well, we'll make sure that happens.

But listen, if the stone is 20 feet thick, the solid stone at the base,

correct, right?

And you said Osiris shaft is 50 feet. That means it can see past 20 feet.

Right? So I could see through the stone and see what they're showing repeated

over and over again.

The Uzairi shaft is open. Right. It's not covered to see. I understand. You

go and you see the Uzairi shaft down. Right. Everyone can see it. But the

interior is not open.

And the interior is visible. But you can see the interior.

But you can't see it to the exact dimensions the way these tomographic

showed, right?

If they're using this technology to go 50 feet underground to get an accurate

depiction of the Osiris shell. I am not a scientist.

I understand, but this is my question. Why would you dismiss it if you haven't

looked under there?

Because I told you, it is not me who can dismiss this. What does it say, Jimmy?

This is the link to the original article, I believe. There's their names.

very first sentence says that.

Due to the poor penetrating action of electromagnetic waves inside solid

the capability to observe these distributed targets is precluded.

And then they had to come up with an experimental – since experimental

are estimated by processing the SAR images into something else.

So I think that's the disconnect I'm hearing. Yeah, I don't understand the

technology, but my question is – We know how spectacular the pyramids are. We

know how spectacular just the base of it, the fact that it's carved into solid

rock. Why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist even

below it? I told you I am not this type knows about

the science. I consulted the team, the top in the world from Japan.

France and Egypt. Who are these people?

They are the Scam Pyramid team. Okay.

The Scam Pyramid. Yeah. The ones that found the chamber above. And they are

working with me. And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the

third pyramid.

And we published this. We just published an article last week. Then what I am

saying, if this technique, that these two Italians are correct,

the only people who really can tell you, It's correct or not are the

scan pyramid people, not me. But the scan pyramid people, aren't they using

different technology? But they know about technology.

They are the top scientists in the world.

I have to believe them, not the two Italians.

And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us.

Not me. Well – To talk to me and others. I will definitely try to connect you

with those people because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Marorescu have

been in contact with those people.

And they're open -minded about it.

They don't know what's going on down there. But these images are repeated

and over and over again. Fine.

But they – It's fascinating either way.

OK.

The whole – one of the fascinating things about –

Egypt to me is the fact that it's not just so much more advanced

in terms of construction than anywhere else in the world, but that it's still

this day – like nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day.

What do you think – was going on back then as far as their capabilities and

their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other

people 4 ,500 years ago. Again, the belief of the afterlife built Egypt.

Right. But they also had to have the understanding of engineering and

construction and design. To do this belief of the afterlife, to build a

as I told you.

This was a national project. No, I understand the national project, but

have to acknowledge. You can talk about this pyramid if it exists alone.

When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that

gradually.

There is no gap that you can.

What do you mean by that? There is no gap for anyone to think something

different. than the belief of the Egyptians.

Well, I don't think anybody's saying that.

Oh. Well, maybe some people are. Maybe some people do. But, I mean, it's all

Egyptians, obviously. It was in Egypt.

I mean, it's the Egyptians that made it.

Yes. It's pretty obvious.

Okay. That just seems obvious.

Then if you believe in that, I'm happy. I'm happy to hear this from you. Well, I

just think whenever people say it's aliens, they're like, where's the proof

that? Exactly. Also, they built a lot of spectacular things. Like, no ifs, ands,

or buts. Just...

Just the statues, just the faces of the pharaohs with incredible symmetry. This

is why I want to really, I want, since you are interested in Egypt, we would

like to invite you to come to Egypt. I want to come.

For me, it's just I'm very busy. We are willing to invite you.

I'm willing to go. Okay, tell me when. Okay. And I will arrange everything for

you. Okay, we'll hook it up. But now, I want to come to the Sphinx also.

Okay. Can we talk about the Sphinx? Yes, please. Now, you know, when I was

young,

I was met by the Edgar Cayce son.

The psychic guy. Julian Cayce. Yeah. And Julian Cayce was the son of Edgar

Cayce. I was young. I really did not know what this Cayce had.

When he came to Egypt and talked about me, about his father, you know about

Edgar Cayce. Yeah. He had a vision that there was a chamber underneath the

Sphinx's paw. Underneath the right paw of the Sphinx, there is a chamber.

And he envisioned that, correct? Yes. And this is why I'm going to Virginia

Beach to give a talk.

One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach.

Why? Because when people began to tell me

there is something inside the Sphinx, I really, as I told you, I have an open

mind. And I did search.

I found inside the thing four tunnels.

One behind the stela. They call it dream stela between the two boards of the

things. And the second one behind the head in the top.

There's actually a door in the top of the head.

No, no, no. Just a tunnel.

A tunnel.

25 feet. Isn't it closed off, though?

No. Yeah, it's closed. Yeah.

There's like a door on the top of it, right? It's not a door.

No. A lid?

It's just a tunnel going down. Okay.

But it's closed off.

You can't go up to the sink.

That's why we have to cover it because it will take rubbish and garbage.

Well, that's the top. That's what I'm talking about. Isn't that the top of it?

Is this a sink? Yes, that's it.

Okay. That's a lid, right?

Yeah. We covered it.

Okay.

Yeah. But we covered it. Got it. To protect it from the fans. I understand.

it's not a door.

Okay. It's a lid. The third tunnel that I found in the back.

Now, Edgar Cayce, he had this vision that there was some hall of information.

I know. But I'm going to come to this now. Yeah. But I'm talking to you about

the tunnel now.

And the third one is in the tail.

The fourth one was opened in 1927.

by a French named Monsieur Perez, and I do have photos of workmen

inside the thing.

We found these four tunnels are published.

An article, scientific article.

I found in situ, in all the four tunnels of pottery,

in situ, to prove that these tunnels were opened.

On Dynasty 25, 500 BC, as in the late period, when the

Egyptians saw the things, they thought there is something hidden underneath.

And they dug, and they found nothing.

Now, we come to the Edgar Cayce and what people believe, because we had...

John Anthony West, and we had many New Age people who believe there is

hidden underneath the things. And they used to tell me, we need your

To what? To drill.

And how can I let someone who's not an archaeologist, who's not a scientist,

to drill? No way.

But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the things.

And I was really afraid.

that the water could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team

from Cairo University, and we did drill 30 to

35 feet underneath the Sphinx, everywhere.

And I do have photos of everywhere under the Sphinx. The Sphinx is a solid

rock or a living rock, and there is nothing underneath.

So there's no tunnels.

No tunnels.

Exactly. Okay. I told you. What do you think about Robert Shock and his theory

about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx, that it's water erosion?

When Shock said that, okay, we brought through the

American Research Center a scientist from Louisville University.

I don't remember his name now.

And we gave him what Robert Schock. You know what Robert Schock said?

It's not his theory.

It's a theory of a New Age guy who talked about this before. And John Anton

brought Schock.

I don't remember who.

Then we gave this guy from Louisville University.

He was an Indian -American who really studied. He came to the Sphinx and he

worked with us for a season.

And he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see

and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water.

Now, what shock want to say that this is dated back 15 ,000

years ago? I agree.

Okay. If I came here and I dug the Sphinx, I will leave something.

Then what I did, we dug an area northeast of the Sphinx.

I found living old kingdom, middle kingdom,

new kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath.

Then this new age people say that the head of the Sphinx is very small

to the body. Yes.

Why? Why? If you take all the casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find

exactly here.

The Sphinx, and now this, and another part like this. In between,

there is a hollow.

Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is divided to three

levels. Level one and two is very bad stones. Can be seen to that chest of the

Sphinx. Level three, they carve with the head from level three.

Then when the Egyptian carved with the head, to represent the king Kephren with

the cobra, the royal head Remus, they began to make a lion

body. Then what they did, they filled this hollow between the

two sphinx pieces with stones.

And they covered the whole body of the sphinx with stones.

And they did the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones.

And this is why the head.

It's very small comparing to the body. So you think the head was made first and

then the body was made later. Exactly. If that's the case, why is the body so

much more eroded than the head? I told you, the body, it is a part of the bad

soul. Bad stones.

The top one is the head.

Exactly. So there's a different density to the stones. That's why the stone in

the sphinx's head is intact and the body is a softer stone. It's level three.

So it's a different kind of stone. Exactly. Of the body. Because there's

to it all and some of the layers are more dense. The Egyptians wanted to make

lion body. They couldn't.

The only way is to cover the body of stones and do the modeling of the lion

on the covering stones.

Can we take two minutes rest?

Yeah, sure. You want to take a break? Yes, to go to the bathroom.

Okay, go to the bathroom. You know where it is? Yes. Just go outside, take a

left. We're back.

The Sphinx.

Let's pick up where we left off.

So you were saying that these...

Other experts that looked at it didn't agree that it was water erosion and said

that they think that it was wind.

So what John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and

these different people are trying to allude to is that perhaps there was even

older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you're seeing that are

2500 BC, those are even more recent than the older stuff.

Tell me about Zep Tepi.

What's Zep Tepi? What's this? You never heard about... Have you heard about...

You know about the King's List, right? The old King's List that goes back 30

,000 whatever years.

Who said that?

You never seen it? It's not in hieroglyphs?

This is not true. It's not true? No. This is speculation from people who

nothing about history.

There is nothing King List dated back 30 ,000 years ago at all. So why do people

keep saying that? Because they don't know.

It's speculation.

Give me one evidence of that. The only – the first King List dated back to 1905

only. I was reading that people were saying that it was myth.

That the kings list, even though there is like some hieroglyphics of ancient

kings, that these are just mythical tales. This is not true. There is no at

a name that you told me. I never heard of this name.

I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt for the last 57 years.

I never heard of this king list at all.

Never? Never. You never even heard of it? Why I have to hear about it? Because

it's not true.

I don't want to waste my time in things like this.

I am a person. Give me a fact.

So in ancient Egyptian, Zep Tepi refers to the first time or the first occasion.

Who said this? This is an AI.

It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt where gods lived on earth and

civilization was in its infancy. This period is often associated with the

beginning of creation and the establishment of societal structures.

You've never heard of that before? No, and this is not true.

What do you mean it's not true? I'm getting this off of... It never happened

all. Okay, I'm not saying it happened. I'm just saying this is something that's

referred to.

I never heard about it.

It is not true.

It does not exist at all. Even if it doesn't exist, the myth of it exists.

Listen, Joel. Why do I have to go to a myth of people creating stories?

If you go to Wikipedia. I don't care about Wikipedia. I understand. I care

what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist.

Or a philologist.

In all the myths, the world was said to emerge from an infinite lifeless sea

when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Tepi, the

first occasion. Different myths attributed to the creation of different

the set of eight primordial deities called Ogdod, the contemplative deity

and the mysterious transcendent god Amun.

while describing these different cosmonogies completed or competed to

extent in other ways they were complementary in different aspects of

understanding of creation.

It's the Egyptian creation myth. Fine. You've never heard of that before? Never

heard of that. That seems strange that you didn't hear about that before.

Listen, listen. I've heard of it before. Fine, you can hear about it. But I

mean, I just found it online.

It's a new age theory.

It's new age? Yes.

Listen to me.

I know.

And any Egyptologist who study Egyptology in the States here, you have

universities in UCLA and you have Berkeley and you have John Hopkins and

have everything.

There is no, every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology. No

one can.

Answer what you are talking about.

This is hallucination.

I'm sorry. This is not true.

It's a speculation from people, but never in Egypt. We know the prehistory

Egypt. We know the pre -dynastic of Egypt.

We know the beginning of civilization.

We know every, there is no gap in anything that can let some things like

And this is why I never heard of it, and I don't want to hear about it.

You don't want to hear about it? No, why?

Because there is no evidence.

I am a scientist.

I believe on what's written in front of me, and I believe of a scene that I can

see. But I don't believe on theories like this.

Tell me where is this found and where it is, and who published it?

What is the scientist who published it? What is the Egyptologist who talked

about it?

I'd like to know. That's why I'm asking you.

I've never heard of it.

Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at least heard of it and dismissed it

I think it's a part of the creation myth. I know,

but it's not true. I received many theories every day.

My mind, Joe, now really cannot stand all these theories, all of it. It's too

much for me.

It's too much for me.

Got it.

See if you can find anything on that, Jamie, where that myth came from.

Yeah? Is it a Bufal thing?

What I just found is that it came from a... Who's Bufal?

Bufal is not a scientist.

No, I'm just... Yeah, I know. Those people, I mean, when someone came to you

with a theory, you have to have a subtlety background.

He has to write a scientific article. We write all what we discover. We write

articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion.

But I can't go.

To theories like this. I understand.

That has no basis. What do you base the dates on? Do you base it on carbon

isotopes? No, we don't. We base dating on the evidence that we discover.

Right. But some of it is based on carbon, right? No. I don't believe in

date 13 at all. You don't? No. Why not? Carbon date 13 never given accurate

dating. And this is why I believe, you know, when you discover something, if

discover a symmetry.

There is two types of dating.

One called absolute dating means that in this cemetery, you have a

name of a king and a date. It means this is absolute.

But if you discover another cemetery and has no dates, then the best thing that

we do is to find the artifacts in this cemetery and try to compare

it with other dated.

And you give a date for this. But you don't believe in carbon testing? I don't

believe in carbon dot 14 at all. And it's not working in Egypt until today.

I have been excavating. I'm excavating also in the Valley of the Kings.

And I discovered major important things that you can talk about. So if you're

going back 2 ,500 years.

But I used radar.

Radar? In all my excavations. What do you mean? I never had a result by radar.

And carbon date 14, people use it when there is no date.

Wait a minute. You use radar to date things? How? No, I use radar to discover

things. Right. But what do you use to date them?

Dating, as I told you, two methods of dating.

Yeah. Most of the dating that for me now in Luxor.

is based on evidence.

Like I discovered the Golden City.

It's a major, big, large cemetery, large settlement, a city.

And you know, this city was chosen the most important discovery in the world of

year 2021 because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell

us about the people who made this civilization.

So how do you know how old the city is? Exactly. In the city, we discovered the

names everywhere of King Amenhotep III, who was the father of Akhenaten.

Inside the city, we found many statutes of his queen, Queen T.

We found inscriptions about dried meat stored to celebrate

the third festival.

of Amenhotep III.

We found nine royal workshops in the city. Then the city tells

us about the golden age of that king.

It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic description, by many things.

But I'm curious as to why you're...

skeptical about carbon dating because I think carbon dating is generally

accepted as being accurate within a certain framework. But I never used it.

And many people, very rare, used it in Egypt because in Egypt mainly we have

absolute chronology.

We have absolute dating based on inscriptions.

Right, but I thought it was used in Egypt like to measure wood that was in

mortar.

To date the Great Pyramid to 2500 B .C.? No, that was an experiment

to date the pyramid. I think it was about 2009.

And it's not working.

But I didn't see the result.

You haven't seen a result on carbon testing of the mortar of the Great

No. But the mortar, you can't.

One thing.

The mortar between the stones.

Right. This mortar.

Like if you take a piece of stone from the pyramid and you try to take Kerber

-14, this piece of stone could be thousands of years in the quarry.

It cannot date the pyramid. How can you date – Well, hold on. Hold on. You don't

date stone.

I'm saying if you date mortar.

Okay. How can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the same time

of building the pyramid? Well, you can actually. The argument is that there is

probably repairs done, right?

Of the pyramid?

Yes. No, of the Great Pyramid. There is no evidence of any restoration.

No, never.

Never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored in

any period of the Egyptian history. There is restoration that goes on even

though, on the Sphinx, correct?

I did make 10 years of restoration.

It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for 10 years.

Why did you decide to do that? Because the Sphinx, when I left,

I was studying in the States. I came to take my doctorate from University of

Pennsylvania from 1980.

From 80 to 87, some architects and archaeologists were really stupid.

They began to restore the Sphinx.

And they took all the casing stones of the things out.

And they put modern stones and they used cement.

You cannot use cement in the restoration.

You can use cement in building a house. Yeah, that's not even restoration.

That's a new creation. When I came, I stopped this restoration.

Okay. And because this restoration…

damage completely the proportions of the thing.

It brings you another thing.

Ugly. A few months later, there was a stone that was restored in the

shoulder of the Sphinx. And it fell down.

In February, it was raining.

And always people use the Sphinx for politics.

The Sphinx? For politics? Yeah.

I tell you, it happened the first time in the Pharaonic period.

You know, the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazelle.

And the princes of the new kingdom used to come to hunt

wild animals in the valley and come to watch the Sphinx.

And this story, as I'm telling you, is written

In a granite stela, it's called the dream stela, located now between the two

poles of the Sphinx.

In the stela, it says that Thutmose IV was a prince, and he came to have a

nap beside the Sphinx.

And the Sphinx came to him in dream and told him, my son, if you remove the sand

away, I will make you the king of Egypt.

Then he moved the sand, and he came to a temple. He

found a door.

What year was this?

This is 3 ,000 years ago, exactly.

So the Sphinx was constructed long before then. Before the Old Kingdom. And

it had been covered in sand.

Yes, completely.

This is why Herodotus, the father of history, when he came to Egypt in the

middle of the 5th century B .C., he never talked about the Sphinx.

Because it's completely under the sand.

Then when Thutmose IV came, he took the sand away. And he found that the old

kingdom casing blocks are falling down.

He put them back.

And he went to the things, a temple nearby. He took this granite stele at

the door and he wrote this story in it.

But we found there is something politics in that story.

He killed his elder brother.

who was supposed to be the king of Egypt.

And he wrote this story to tell the Egyptian that the God, Hor

Im Akhet, Horus of the horizon, it chose me to be the king of Egypt.

And they will forget the crime that he did.

When that stone, it fell down in 1988, a big fight happened

between the head of antiquities and the minister of culture.

Ended.

By firing the head of Antiochus. It's politics.

But I stayed 10 years.

When people ask me about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things.

Number one, that I restored the things. I brought the proportions of the things

back. And I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the steep pyramid.

It was falling down.

In 14 years, I made major important conservation and restoration.

And I tell people, why do I have to fight all the time about the age of the

pyramid? We have to fight.

We have to cooperate, all of us, to restore these monuments.

And the most important thing for me always is conservation.

And I dedicate most of my life not only to the excavation.

but to conservation.

What do you think the arguments are that predate, that try to push the date back

of the construction of the pyramids?

I never heard of this.

You've never heard of this before? No, it's only new. It's a theory from the

age. But I saw a debate with you. I saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock and

there was another archaeologist.

But hold on, hold on. The other archaeologist was saying, if you're

something happened 10 ,000 years ago, where is the evidence of any

from 10 ,000 years ago? Exactly. But then you found Gopekli Tepe.

So Gobekli Tepe was buried over 11 ,000 years ago. That's not true. I never

heard about this. What do you mean it's not true?

It's not true what I'm telling you. What is not true? It never happened. Gobekli

Tepe? We never discovered this at all. Wait a minute.

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey, okay? Oh, in Turkey. Yes.

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey and it's more than 11 ,000 years old. Okay, fine,

fine. It's very complex, stone structures.

Fine, fine.

But this was the evidence. Hold on. This is the evidence in the argument. The

argument was there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from 10 ,000 plus

years ago. This is before the discovery of Gobekli Tepe.

Gobekli Tepe gets discovered known to be more than 11 ,000 years ago.

That changes everything.

Yes, it does.

Hold on. Because now we know there was an advanced civilization capable of

spectacular construction 11 ,000 plus years ago. This is what this is.

Look at the archaeologists in Turkey or in any civilization.

Okay. They never talk about old civilization. That's not true.

Gobekli Tepe is universally accepted as being more than 11 ,000 years old. I am

talking now about Egypt.

No, I understand. But the argument was that there was never any ancient

civilization capable of spectacular construction 10 ,000 years ago.

Now that they showed Gobekli Tepe is more than 11 ,000 years old, they know

sure that's not true.

Okay. But now I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt.

I have the evidence, the written.

We found everything about that. We know the dating.

And I give you hundreds of evidence.

That this pyramid built by Khufu. No, I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not saying

it wasn't.

What I'm saying is. Any civilization older than we know.

Older and still in the same spot. How old does it go back? We have no

So how does ancient Egypt emerge?

Emerge? We have. How does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids? Okay. We have.

Can you listen to me? Yeah.

We have prehistoric Egypt.

Right. And we have the Old Stone Age, Middle Stone Age, Neolithic,

when the Egyptians began to know about agriculture.

And they began to live together in communities.

Then after that, we came to the pre -dynastic, when a king called Narmer, in

dynasty zero, he began to make unification of the Upper and Lower

until one king.

called Mina or Horaha, who united completely.

And what year was this?

This is what was 3 ,000 B .C., 5 ,000 years ago.

In a place called Abiris, they built huge mud brick tombs, huge,

from mud brick, no stones.

And these tombs are created in a site called Abiris.

You know, what's really fascinating about this is that 500 years, you think

about that, how different just modern civilization was 500 years ago.

500 years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today. We had no

internal combustion engine, no hardened steel, none of the things that we have.

And now look what we have with electronics. Now imagine what the

able to do in 500 years in a different way, in construction with stone.

that their advancements weren't like our advancements, but their advancements

were equally spectacular, just in a different way.

Okay.

Now I come back to the mud brick structure.

This is in Dynasty I and II.

In Dynasty III came a king called Djoser.

He had a genius architect.

His name is Imhotep.

I am searching.

Did you hear about Imhotep before?

I'm searching for his tomb.

Only two weeks ago, before I came, I made a major important discovery in

I found a tomb of a son of a king inside incredible statues of Zotr

and his father and his queens and his children.

Where is this tomb?

In the shadow of the steppe.

In the shadow of Zotr.

And this really made me, because I have been searching for the tomb of Imhotep.

most of my life.

But the area that I found this tomb, it was under houses.

Modern houses.

Oh, wow.

The workmen who work in the site, 100 years ago, they built houses in the

But they never excavated what's underneath the houses.

Wow. So modern houses underneath the tomb.

Six months ago, we gave houses to these people in another area and we demolished

these houses.

And we found underneath major discoveries.

This discovery will be in today's show this week.

Now, I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb is in this area.

Wow. What technology can you use to discover these underground caverns and

chambers? All what I do is digging.

That's it? That's it.

What if these Italian guys are on to something and you can find more stuff?

I want you to come to see what I do and what I discover.

I want to.

I want to talk to the Italians too. And what I discover, I can show it to you.

Please do.

Jamie, Zepp Teppi, did you find anything about that?

About that?

Where are the origins of that?

Maybe a book from 1960.

And I couldn't figure out how he got there. Probably a long sludge through

information to try to get to the root of it.

But can we continue with how it happened until you have the pyramids?

Sure. Then Imhotep came and he built the same mastaba. Mastaba

in Arabic means a bench.

He built the construction in mud brick of stone for the first time.

And he added more sections to the first one.

And he put above that five bastabas.

It's called the step pyramid.

Yeah. So that's the first one. In the pyramid text, they say that the step

pyramid is the stairs that the king is buried underneath to go to heaven.

Oh. And this one was how many years before the Great Pyramid? It's almost

700 years.

So, obviously, it's not nearly as sophisticated as the Great Pyramid. So,

years, it just got way better. But listen.

Now, on the rest of the tree, there is another pyramid was found.

And only I found recently.

that I did not excavate it completely, I found a pyramid which is the end of

Dynasty III of a king called Houni.

Then now we came to Sinetro. His name is Houni? Houni.

Houni. H -U -N -I.

Okay.

Then we come to Dynasty IV, Sinetro.

Okay. Sinetro had a genius architect.

His name was Nefer Ma 'at.

Then he started.

Towns are a good name for a genius.

Yeah. He started to build a step pyramid like this in a site called Maidum.

But for a reason we do not know, he left it unfinished.

And he went to a place called Dahshur.

He built the pyramid with a huge angle.

And he changed the angle.

It became bent.

And he built another pyramid. If you look at the other pyramid of the father

Kufu, it's exactly equal to the Great Pyramid.

This is the first true pyramid. But people never go to the shore to look at

pyramid. People always look at Kufu.

Then you have in Dynasty IV, the pyramids were huge

because of the quality of the stones.

In the 95 and 6, there is no good quality of stones.

Then the Egyptians made decrees on the volume of the stones and did

increase in the volume of the war relief.

Temples began to be decorated with scenes for the first time.

In the Middle Kingdom, another trend.

Mud brick pyramid, but underneath maze corridors.

of stones that if you go down, you will lose your way.

In the new kingdom, they built, they came in the top of

the Valley of the Kings, a shape of the pyramid, and they buried all the kings

like King Tut and others underneath the pyramid shape.

So that's the story.

That's the story. All right.

But listen, man, it's been fascinating talking to you, and I definitely am

to take you up on your offer. I'm definitely going to go to Egypt. No, now

talk. Now we'll talk. We'll talk to Mustafa.

Send me that video so we can splice it in of the hieroglyphs that are on the

wall. You'll send that, right? I will send it tomorrow.

Okay. But give the email to Greg and Mustafa now. We will do that. And they

the people that you will talk to them now to arrange for your trip. Okay.

And I would invite you for a good – How many days do you think I should go?

Ten days at least. Jamie, you got to come.

You want to do a podcast from there?

Just you and me.

Let us do one inside the Great Pyramid. Yeah, definitely.

100 percent.

OK. With the echo here though?

Oh, here's another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing.

Isn't there a water table under the pyramid that's like a million years old?

No. There's not water underneath there? No. This is the Osiris shaft that was

full of water.

So is that what Mr. Beast was swimming in? Exactly. But where's that water

coming from?

It's a water table.

Oh, there is a water table. This shaft, I came, I brought a company.

And we did suck all the water out. Oh.

Until he found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars.

Oh, wow. And this is the symbolic burial of the god Osiris. Because Giza Plateau

was called in the new kingdom Per -Uzir -Nib -Rastau.

The house of Osiris, lord of Rastau.

Rastau means cemetery.

But literally means the underground tunnels.

That Osiris is ruling.

Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked about this water under the pyramid.

It is in the shaft.

And this one beast entered inside and swam in it. Okay.

You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the young people that pyramids

were built by aliens.

That's why I took him to three. I don't know.

I don't understand the alien thing. I think super advanced culture, super

advanced civilization.

And I think the Library of Alexandria burning is probably one of the greatest

disasters. Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens.

When I talk to them that I'm coming to see you. That I believe in aliens? They

do. Well.

I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens existing.

There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with

hundreds of billions of stars, the idea that we're uniquely alone.

You don't think there's anything out there?

Nothing. So you don't believe in ancient civilizations capable of advanced

construction. You don't believe in aliens. You don't believe in carbon

am a scientist.

If you believe in something, write an article.

Then I can read.

But don't give me a theory.

But the theory of planets containing intelligent life is... No, that's not

I have been debating Graham Hancock and Robert Bufal and John Anthony West, and

I told them.

From the beginning.

Your theory will go with the wind. Right. But we're not talking about that

theory. We're talking about aliens being possible.

No way.

No aliens. Just us. This is the national poison. Only us in the whole universe.

If you believe in God. Us in the whole universe?

Only us. If you believe in God, you will do miracles.

The Egyptians believed in the afterlife.

And they made this great civilization.

I'm not saying aliens made it. I'm saying it's very possible there's

else out there in the world.

Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. Enjoy.

I enjoyed it, too. And I'll see you next time.

Bye, everybody.