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Hi, I'm Desi Fox.

And I'm Ellie Fox.

We're the mother and daughter porn stars.

We are the very first mother and daughter porn team ever in the adult industry.

Now, what are you going to talk to Howard about today?

Just, like, your relationship together and how you got into the business?

Yeah, and a little bit about what it's like to be a mom and daughter, both in porn,

shooting our first scene where we were in a scene together,

not with each other, but in the scene together with a couple of guys.

Had a good time.

Are you nervous or excited?

Very nervous.

I'm a little nervous, a lot excited.

More excited than anything.

Just glad that we get to meet Howard and see all you guys.

Yeah, we hear he's real wild, so we're going to have a good time.

All right, great. Have fun in there today.

Thanks.

All right, let's find out what possesses a mom and daughter to go into porno.

Mother-daughter working together for 10 months now in porn.

Daughter goes into porn and convinces her mom to join her on screen.

This is a legitimate mother-daughter team, not a stepmother, nothing like that.

Let's meet Desi and Ellie.

Desi and Ellie, who are a mother-daughter porno team.

Hi, girls.

Look at mom.

Look at mom, all decked out.

Oh, my God.

Look at you, honey.

Where'd she get those things?

Where'd you get them big titties?

They're bought.

They are very nice.

Bought and paid for.

Mommy, very nice.

You better get some for your girl here.

We're working on that.

You look good, honey. You don't need the big titties.

She's got to play the young girl thing for a while.

She's very cute.

They feel very nice, too.

All right, let's get this straight.

Desi, you're the mom.

I'm the mom.

And Ellie, you're the daughter.

Yes, that's correct.

You decide to go into porn.

How old a girl are you?

You seem very young.

I'm 22 now.

22. You're a good-looking girl.

How long have you been doing this?

We have been doing this since November of last year,

so about 10 months.

Yes.

All right, how old are you?

You're 22.

And mom, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm 48.

48. You look damn good for 48.

Thank you.

You held yourself together.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of women fall apart by the time they're 48.

You've got your body in shape and all that.

How many kids have you had?

Three. So you look pretty good.

Thank you.

You're not some slob.

We got some more to bring to porn, or what?

No.

So now, Desi, I mean, rather, Ellie, what made you go into porn?

You could be winning first, right, before mom.

Yes, we were moving to Miami,

and I wanted to maybe look for a different way of making income.

I wanted more...

Were you a stripper?

Was that what you were doing?

No, I was actually a dog groomer at a vet clinic.

There is more money in porn, I think.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

You're saying you can make more money in porn than dog grooming.

Absolutely.

And it got boring.

Now, we used to watch porn and say,

you know, I don't have a moral problem with this.

I think I could do it.

I watched it, but I never actually thought about doing it.

How do you get into it, though?

Where do you go to get, like,

what door do you knock on to get into a porn?

I looked online, tried to find some research,

really couldn't find much,

so I posted an ad on sexyjobs.com

and saw what people said back.

Now, mom, most people would say,

listen, you've accepted your daughter's lifestyle

and all of that,

but aren't you supposed to be the one that says,

listen, honey, this isn't healthy, this isn't good,

I'm worried about you.

Instead, you've joined her.

Yeah.

And also, isn't the mother supposed to influence the daughter

as opposed to you getting into her life?

The daughter influencing the mother, yeah.

Were you a wild child?

Were you acting out sexually at a young age?

I was.

I had boys over when I wasn't supposed to

when I was 11, 12 years old.

Did you lose your virginity?

Were you banging dudes when you were 11 or 12?

No, I was 14 when I lost my virginity.

14, oh, yeah.

Did you like boys?

She loved boys.

But I loved boys, too.

I lost mine at 15.

What were you doing with them at 11?

Just kissing.

No blowjobs at 11?

Be honest.

Did you ever blow a guy when you were 11?

That was, I was 12 in 7th grade.

You were 12 when you blew a guy.

Yeah.

It really wasn't a blowjob, though.

I had no idea.

I just licked it.

I'm like, hmm.

Was your mom blowing guys in front of you

or anything like that?

Weird, anything kinky going on at the house?

Oh, no.

No.

They never, she never had sex in the house.

When I was really young, we never knew.

We thought our parents were doing taxes, whatever.

You didn't know what was going on.

And she never brought a guy home after my parents got divorced.

So, no, I jaded away from the house.

And because you're such a good looking girl,

were you always getting a lot of attention from boys?

And were guys always making a fuss over her?

Is that the way it went?

Um, not so much.

I was more the instigator.

I was kind of an ugly duckling when I was younger.

Really?

I always had short hair, braces.

So you're telling the girls out there, never give up hope.

You can blossom.

Exactly.

Oh, yeah.

They used to call me the librarian.

Did you used to not wear panties to school and stuff like that?

Were you the type of girl who was provocative?

Did you ever seduce your teachers by crossing in and crossing

your legs and all that stuff?

No, I was actually kind of more the bookworm.

You never blew any of the teachers?

No.

Did you have sex with any of the other girls at school?

No, I was never with a girl until actually I got into the industry.

All right.

I wanted to.

Oh, you did want to.

I didn't have anybody I was comfortable with.

And I needed a girl to just basically seduce me.

And they don't do that a whole lot.

She was vicarious, though.

So you were really shot out of a cannon when you got into this porno.

What was the first porno you went into before your mom got into this?

The first video.

First video.

Company.

Yeah.

I worked for Reality Kings, I see in Miami.

Okay, you walk in and what do you do?

They say to you, get naked.

Let's take a look at your body, right?

Is that the audition?

Yeah, they took me back to a wardrobe and makeup

room and he's like, I need you to get naked.

Right.

And one guy.

Yeah, one guy.

Who's the owner?

Did you fuck him?

No, you didn't fuck I see.

No, we don't work for shoots.

Right.

I worked with male talent that day, actually.

All right, so they bring you in a room, they

put you in wardrobe, whatever the hell that is.

They make you up, they do your hair, and then

they say, come on, Cameron, fuck some guy, right?

Basically.

That's the audition?

How else are you going to figure this out?

Sounds like a working audition.

That was the shoot.

Yeah.

Mel's on the phone.

Mel, you say you're really into mother-daughter porn.

This is a fetish of yours?

Yes, Howard.

I was wondering if the girls are into ass to mouth,

like mother's ass to the daughter's mouth at all.

Have you seen that, Mel, go down?

I haven't seen mother-daughter, but I have seen that type of porn.

Would that excite you if that happened?

Yes, it would, very much.

Ladies, give me a theoretical here because we'll

get into what you guys do on film in a minute.

But would you, if for the money's right and this and

that, would you do mother-daughter ass to mouth porn?

No.

Never.

Because your claim is you guys do not make contact with each other.

We don't make any contact with each other.

Are there mother-daughter teams that do make contact with one another?

We hear they do, but we haven't found one yet.

You're saying are there films where the mother-daughter

will go down on each other and things like this?

We hear they do and there are websites, but we don't

know if they're real mother-daughters or if they're fake.

Right.

How do they know?

Like, how do people know you're a real mother-daughter?

I've researched this.

I understand that you are.

But how would somebody really know you're the real mother-daughter?

The only way basically everybody says is we do look alike or mannerisms, everything.

They say they can tell we're at least related.

Right.

So, documentation.

Does it anger you that there are fakes out there, that

there are people who are posing as mother-daughter?

Does it anger you?

Yes, somewhat, because it's harder to give us credit for being real

mother-daughter when they shoot films all the time where they just say,

oh, well, you know, we're just going to book her and her.

Right, because it also puts pressure on you.

Because now like this guy says, if he sees ass to mouth between mother-daughter

and you guys are really mother-daughter and don't do ass to mouth,

your films will not be as outrageous as those fake mother-daughters.

Right, correct.

A mother-daughter would be outrageous enough.

Yeah.

Have you ever outed any fake mother-daughters?

Do you ever question them and then out them?

We are a normal mother-daughter.

Right.

You know, I raised her normally, so it's not, you know.

We don't even like to be next to each other.

No, we don't even look at each other naked much.

When you guys are in a porn together, how far do you go with each other?

What happens in these porns?

If I buy one of your porns, what do I end up seeing?

If we're...

If you're in it together, in a room with the guys.

If we're actually having sex in the same room, we are at

least five to ten feet away from each other at all times.

Well, let me ask you about that.

Three or four.

In the same frame.

I noticed on your website last night that the two of you are hugging each

other and you're both in cut-off shorts, but your titties are exposed.

But you're hugging each other.

You're very close to one another.

So isn't that kind of sexual in a way?

No.

We're just taking some glamour nude photos like you would for...

I've done that with my dad, you're right.

So our penises, we jerk each other off and that's as far as we go.

But we were the first to do it and now we're out of that business.

My father's older now.

He's not as hot as he was.

He's lost his looks.

Yeah.

He's limp.

So wait a second, because I know if I was in a

photo with my dad, it would be very strange to me.

The first time...

For you to be penis to penis?

So let's say the porno starts off.

Oh, we don't touch breasts.

Do you undress each other in the pornos?

No.

Never.

Do you undress in front of each other?

Yeah, well, I mean not...

We're not looking at each other.

We might be next to each other.

But are you undressing in front of each other?

In the same room.

Yes, you are.

Oh, yes.

You've seen each other's beavers?

No, we've never looked.

You've never looked at your mom's beaver?

No.

I have no want to see that.

By beaver, of course, you know I mean vagina, not an actual beaver.

I know you have a pet beaver.

We call it showing your pink and we don't see each other's pink.

We don't want to see each other's pink.

You don't want to see...

You show your daughter's vagina, obviously,

when you changed her as a baby in diapers.

Do you ever say to yourself in the middle of shooting,

that's my baby, I changed her diapers, I knew

she is fucking blowing some guy right next to me,

I want to jump in and save her.

Do you ever say that to yourself?

No, because she's having a good time having

sex and I'm having a good time having sex.

Do you worry about her?

Like maybe one of the guys is going to get too rough with her?

Not really.

She's an assertive...

I like it a little rough, so yeah.

And I mean she's an assertive female, so she can take care of herself.

If they say to you, for this guy, Mel,

Listen, we want ass to mouth, give you a million dollars for an ass to mouth video.

Would you do it?

No.

Not for a million dollars?

No.

I wouldn't be able to talk to her again.

Could somebody explain...

Your mouth would be full of doody.

Ass to mouth, explain that.

Ass to mouth means, let's say mom would put her tongue up her daughter's ass.

Am I correct about that, Mel?

And then you kiss her.

And then you kiss. Is that right, Mel?

Yeah.

An ass to mouth, like my cock in her ass to her mouth.

No, that's what I call it.

Okay, that's it.

Yeah.

That's what it is.

I wouldn't even touch her for a million dollars.

And she would not do...

Let's say they said squeeze your mom's titties for a million dollars.

You wouldn't do that?

We actually were offered, if you want to know,

we were offered $500,000 to do a 10 guy...

Gang bang?

Gang bang on the same bed.

Yeah, and we turned it down.

Why not the same bed?

I mean you're not touching each other.

Why not do the money?

A bed is an intimate setting.

Yes.

And I don't want to ever be sexually intimate with her in the same room.

I see.

A couch is more swinging.

We're on separate sides of the room.

But you are in the same room.

You're in the same room, technically.

Right, right, right.

Is the idea of your porno is that the fact that

you're having sex at the same time in the same room?

You've got to go that far.

You can't draw the line.

Yes, yes.

That's part of it.

And then the other part is the swapping guys.

Oh, so you swap guys.

I was going to say, do you make love to the same guy?

Yeah.

And then the other part is guys want to see us, the

fact that they can have one of us and have the other.

So, Deji, if you're blowing a guy, all of a sudden

that guy might get up and then go fuck your daughter.

Yes.

That's what we're seeing.

Yes.

Okay, go ahead, Yara.

What do you want to say?

Here's a question, because some of the guys have seen your movie.

So, can a guy have sex with one of you guys and then

he takes it out and puts it in the other one's mouth?

After he cleans it off very, very well.

See, we don't see that on the tape.

We don't see that on the movie.

No, that's a cut right there.

All right, so, Mom, let me understand this.

Your daughter gets into porn and you were saying, Ellie, you went in, you auditioned.

That day they put you in makeup, you get in front of

the camera, and then some guy comes over and bangs you.

That's the audition.

Yeah, basically it was a huge setup.

We were there all day.

I was technically buying a car and he was my car dealer and I had to seduce him.

And he actually, he was a very good guy.

He tried to court me beforehand.

He hugged me and made out with me.

So, he made it very easy to work into the sex when we got to that point.

It was, the weirdest part was having a camera crew there.

Right.

Right up in, I...

Did you feel anything for this guy or not?

A little bit.

I mean, he was very nice and he was a very good kisser, very good at what he did.

He didn't smell?

You found him attractive a little bit?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, he was adorable, yeah.

And they must have really...

He was the best for my first.

And did you go, for your first, and did you tell

your mother right away, Mom, guess what I just did?

Guess what I just did today?

I auditioned for a porno and I got the part.

Well, she actually dropped me off at the shoot.

First of all, she didn't audition by having sex.

Right.

I had an agent.

He took me to the company and they said they'd book me for the shoot that day.

Well, look at you.

I mean, who wouldn't put you in a porno?

You knew she could go through with it.

I didn't.

I actually was sitting at dinner right before

we went to do the sex and I was almost about

to chicken out and walk out, but I knew it was something I wanted to do because...

Maybe God was on your side.

It seemed like a lot of fun.

You know what I mean?

He was there to hold you.

A guardian angel.

Maybe a God was your guardian angel.

And the guy was adorable.

And then it would get easier, you know.

You get more used to it.

And I really wanted to get into this world.

So right away, Mom knew, Mom's driving you to the set.

Yeah.

You know, I'm a marketing guy.

Is Grandma still alive?

Yeah.

Does she know about any of this?

No.

You think she would want to get in on it?

She's almost 80.

We got it.

Would you think Grandma might want to be in a triple?

Has there ever been a mother-daughter-grandmother thing?

Not that...

We've been told that these things happen, but then nobody can produce.

What would your mother say if she knew you'd

be taking her granddaughter and having sex

on camera with her?

Oh, she wouldn't like any of it.

She would not like it.

No.

She's very religious.

And the other weird part that I heard, tell

me if this is true, you have a brother and

sister.

Yes.

You have two other children.

Do you think your brother and sister were up to this?

We tried to talk to them about it, and they insisted that we not.

What do you mean?

They said, no, you can't do that.

You can't talk about it, or you can't go to the porn?

No, we can't have porn.

We can't do porn.

You went to them and you said, look, we're thinking about being in porn together.

And they said, don't do it.

Right.

And we said, well, you can make a lot of money at it.

And my son said, well, it's a good thing because

you'd have to pay for a lot of therapy for

me.

How old are they, these days?

Did you suggest to them that maybe they get in the pornos with you?

Because it would be fantastic.

How about you have family porn?

Yeah.

All in the room at the same time.

They're not like us.

They're not adventurous.

Sexually open.

I've always been an exhibitionist and a voyeuristic person.

Is that right?

Where would you exhibit yourself?

Where would we see you being an exhibitionist?

Before I went into porn?

Yeah.

Fuck guys outdoors?

Yeah, or I might like in the bathroom at the club.

Well, let me tell you, you're quite a lady.

At the school, big city.

So girls, let me understand the marketing plan here.

So then she comes home one day, your

daughter, and says to you, Mom, I'm in porno.

Was it your idea to bring Mom into this thing?

Did someone suggest it to you?

No.

I called the agency the very first day and I was talking to them about it.

They wanted me to come in and I lived with her at the time.

And I don't really make any decision like that without talking to my mom,

especially since I do live with her.

She would wonder where all the money was coming from.

So I told her...

She was probably praying you were a drug dealer.

I'd rather be a porn star.

I even got in.

I told her when I talked to the agency and that's when she said she wanted to do it.

She volunteered.

Step right up.

I never thought she would want to do it.

I thought she'd be against me doing it and it'd be a no.

The shocker was your mom says to you,

not only do I approve of you being a porn star,

I want to be a porn star.

Did it annoy you on some level?

Isn't this your own thing?

You're the porn star.

You're the beauty.

Why does your mom have to get in on it?

Here she goes again.

She wants to do whatever I do.

There is a part of that.

What happened?

Tell me.

Oh yeah, definitely.

I thought I wanted to get in and do my own thing.

And it's like everywhere I go,

everybody wants to talk about us being in it and my mom.

How does a kid like you rebel when you have a mom

who's ready to do everything that you're doing?

You're doing the ultimate rebellion.

You're becoming a porn star.

Now your mom's hopping in on your action.

I behave, I guess.

I ask for help.

So you make it known you're ready to go into porn, mom.

And then did you at first say to your mom,

look, I don't want to be in porns with you.

Maybe I need my own space here?

We never thought about working in the same videos.

We didn't know that.

Who suggested it to you?

The agent?

Our agent.

Wow.

He actually, we had different last names picked

out because we had our own names we wanted.

When he said to you that, you know, what about you two appearing in the same film?

Did you think he was perverted at first?

Did you think this was wrong?

Well, actually, when he first started, he said, are you kidding me?

You have to have the same name, your mother and daughter.

And we went, okay.

We didn't have any idea of the implications of we're mother and daughter.

So we'd been in it for about a month or so when it started coming out that, you know,

people wanted us to do scenes.

What was it like when you did your first scene together?

Was it weird when your mom walked in the room and was fucking blowing a guy?

It was really weird because I, the very first scene we did in the same room,

it was one guy.

I worked with him and then she worked with him.

And you sat there while she worked with him?

With like my fingers and my ears and I was messing with the camera guy.

See, they pulled the camera guy in because she was doing the guy

and I'm at the other end of the couch and the

talk show host was supposed to be talking to me

while she was doing him.

He got into what they were doing, so he took off.

So I'm sitting there going, I have to have something to do.

So he pulled, the talk show host pulled the camera guy in and he became my fluffer.

I see. He started messing around with you.

So the first movie you did together, do you remember the name of the movie?

It must be ingrained in your brain.

It's for a website that actually hasn't even launched yet.

I see. And it was a scenario where you were on a talk show

and all of a sudden your daughter's having sex with the talk show host.

You're sitting there and you pull the camera

guy in and you start fucking around with him.

Yeah.

That's the plot of the movie.

Yeah.

Well, no, the plot wasn't to have the cameraman in, but we pulled him in.

You improvised.

Yeah.

And we didn't have sex because he wasn't tested, but...

I see. Let me see...

He kept me busy.

Let me hear a bit of your work.

This is the Foxes, Desi and Ellie.

Yeah?

Can I interest you in a tossed salad?

I'm coming for the rent.

I don't have it.

Yeah, I guess then you don't have a place to stay.

Christopher, that's not very neighborly.

Please, call me Chris.

I'm sure we could work something out, can't we?

Chris.

Vielleicht.

Come with me.

Oh, oh, gotcha.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You're fucking a guy.

Where's your daughter during this scene?

She's not there.

She's not in there.

No.

That's you alone.

That's me alone.

Who the hell wants to see that?

A lot of guys do.

You want to see the two of you together.

That's the money shot, right?

The college guys love that.

Okay, good.

So that's your own film.

That's you doing your own thing.

You don't like hearing that, do you?

No, I don't like hearing that.

She's, yeah.

So it does bother you on some level.

Oh, yeah.

When we do film the one film we did the other day for our DVD,

where we're with the guys in the same room, I get into the zone.

I'm with that guy.

It's just me and him.

Right.

We don't really do where we look at the camera

a lot because we want it to be more natural.

So I'm just me and that guy.

We're the only ones in the room.

Well, Ellie, in all fairness, here you are from Teen Worship 2, right?

I guess you portray a teenage girl in this one, right?

They try to make you younger than you are.

Is that true?

Yes.

I'm asking you.

Uh-huh, right there.

Now, Mom, why does it bother you to hear the scene?

Because after all you know what your daughter's doing.

Yeah, I mean you condone this kind of stuff.

I think it bothers you because you don't want to see

your little girl really getting slammed by some guy.

No.

No, I don't want to see it.

Right.

You know.

It's all right with you, but you don't want to know exactly what's going on.

Right.

I mean, you know, there's a part.

But there is a part of me.

I have to say there is a part of me.

I was 34 before I really started learning and exploring my sexuality.

Right.

There is a part of me that is happy about the fact that

my daughter is, you know, 22 and she can have orgasm.

But don't you think there is a disconnect for you somewhere?

A disconnect for you somewhere that you could really

accept your daughter in porn and put yourself in porn.

There's got to be some.

Don't you think you're a little out there?

Come on.

I mean in all seriousness.

Yeah, I've never lived inside the box.

Right.

You're definitely all about the box.

What have you done?

Right.

I just, you know, do whatever I feel like

doing and what I think is comfortable for me.

Right.

I have to live inside my skin and other people have to accept me the way I am.

Are you paving the road for other mothers and daughters in this area?

We think so.

We hope that we don't bring out the bad that

could come because we don't want, you know,

a mother-daughter to come in there and screw

up their relationship by having to outdo us.

Doing things with each other.

I see.

Because the only way to really outdo us is to do what we will not do.

And the companies will try to push you to do that.

Oh, yes.

They push, push, they try to pressure us big time.

They want you to do things that you don't want to do.

They want you to do things to each other.

Yeah.

Right.

And they told us that if we're not going to do

all these things together, then we shouldn't

even mention that we're mother-daughter.

Right.

Roger, they're pressuring you.

Rob, go ahead in St. Louis.

What do you want to say?

Hey, Howard, love the show.

Hey, real quick, these boys need to step up their fucking game.

Last night I was jerking off with two sisters, sucking cock and swapping cum.

And these bitches are afraid to wipe a dick before they suck it?

Come on, how do you expect to sell DVDs?

Is this the pressure you're under, girls?

Yes.

This is it.

Now we're starting to see your pressure.

For years, Rob and I had the pressure of ratings and this kind of thing.

You have the pressure of ratings.

You've got to step up the game.

Yeah, yeah.

Girls, I feel your pain.

You'll have to wait for the next team that will.

We just don't approve of incest.

I'm sorry.

Matt, go ahead.

You're on the air in Orlando.

Yes, Matt?

Oh, Howard, how you doing?

Thank you for picking up.

I just wanted to ask if these two would cum swap.

Do you cum swap?

Whatever that is.

What does that mean exactly?

No, we don't.

That would be like cum in one mouth and then kissing

the other and putting it in the other's mouth.

Wow.

I do that with Rob.

No, we don't.

We're not related.

Yeah.

Well, it's fun if you're not related.

Really?

Yeah.

Hands, bell, you're on the air in Yonkers.

Hey, guys.

How you guys doing?

I want to ask the 23-year-old a few questions.

When she was 12, how many dicks did she lick?

Also, if she tasted the cum?

When you were 12, how many penises did you lick?

He wants to know.

I saw three and I licked two of them.

And I don't think I knew how to make a guy cum back then.

So I don't think I saw any cum.

Did they lick you?

What?

Did they lick her?

Did the boys lick her?

I was 13 when I got licked for the first time.

Licked for the very first time, like the Madonna song.

No, I didn't learn to cum until I was 16.

Had a very good boyfriend.

Lots of practice.

Ask Napkinhead.

Go ahead.

After school.

Howard, the mother sounds like an old booze hag

with the bitch in the shining in the bathtub.

When I was younger, we would go.

Right.

They ain't looking for you there, trust me.

Mike, McCain or Obama, who are you supporting, girls?

Obama.

Both of you are for Obama.

Absolutely.

All the way.

Mike, in Phoenix, Arizona.

Go ahead, Mike.

Hey, Howard, what's going on?

Hey, what's this mother look like?

Is she hot or does she look like Blue Iris?

You'll have to check out thefoxes.com.

She's showing me her titties right now, and I've got to tell you, they look nice.

Like them?

Mom, if you sat on the Sibian right now, would your daughter watch?

Oh, yeah.

I've never.

Would you watch your daughter on the Sibian?

I wouldn't watch, but I can sit here if she wants to.

Do you want to sit on it?

You do?

Yeah.

She wants to.

Yeah, she had it.

Have you tried it?

Oh, yeah, I love Sibians.

Mom, do you approve of her taking a ride of the Sibian?

Not really.

She wants to get a ride, too.

I told her, see, she can't help myself.

She'll do this stuff in front of me, and I'm

supposed to sit here, but if I was to do it,

I mean, when Grabbing Granny did it, was her granddaughter in here?

I believe so, yes.

But that was a very odd.

By the way, you asked me how they look.

Ellie is absolutely beautiful, and Desi is beautiful as well.

So you girls are very good-looking.

There's no question about it.

Would you agree with that, Artie, the girls are in good shape?

Yeah, they're good-looking.

Yeah, they are.

This might be the sickest thing I've ever witnessed.

I'll be honest with you.

Yes, Will, what is it?

What's the problem?

No, I'm saying she might be more comfortable if she has her clothes off.

Oh, is that right?

Can I leave Mom with my Mom here?

I'll take my panties off.

Listen, I ain't getting into this.

I'm not watching, so.

Your mom's turning her head.

Yeah, so you can do whatever you want.

Take your panties off and take your top off.

Your mom will look the other way.

Thank you, Gary.

Gary, you came helpful in these situations.

All right, here we go.

I'm used to this.

He's the father of boys, obviously.

Ellie, may I say, don't get breast implants.

You don't need them.

Thank you.

You really don't.

Thank you.

We all tell her that regularly.

Okay, here we go.

Here, Ellie wants to sit on the Sibian.

Who might have stopped her?

Right with her mom in the room.

All right, no interruptions.

I'm not going to say a word during this.

Thank you, Gary.

Here is Ellie performing on the Sibian.

Obviously, a Sibian expert.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

You're licking the piece of rubber there just to make it wet?

Uh-huh.

Of course.

It's got to be nice and wet.

You really know what you're doing.

I've got to tell you, honey.

I mean, you really are.

You were born to perform, I've got to be honest.

I've never seen anyone do that before.

Good for you.

She had one producer tell her that her solos were poetry.

Whoa.

Be real about it.

Don't do any fake orgasm.

I want to know the truth.

All right, here we go.

All right, sit back.

Mom, your daughter has perfect boobs, by the way.

Oh, well.

Thank you.

That was my boobs before my boob job.

I do.

You don't have to jump in on everything.

All right, here we go.

All right, here is Ellie.

So no one's gonna talk, it's just gonna be me.

You want me to talk to you?

Uh-huh. Talk dirty to me.

Talk dirty?

Yeah.

Alright baby, no problem.

Howard, don't do it.

Alright, I'll shut up.

I'll get yelled at if I talk dirty to you.

Sorry.

Oh, that feels so good.

Would you like it raised?

It's going pretty good.

Can't have it too strong, too fast.

Alright, alright. Go slow, Gary.

Yeah, slow and steady.

Mom, you okay over there?

I'm okay.

The mother's reading the Wall Street Journal.

Shh, come on. Don't interrupt.

Yeah, last time she did something like this, I had to read something.

What were you reading?

It wasn't the Bible.

No.

Give her a Bible, will ya?

Wait, you're doing it wrong.

Oh yeah, you're helping me get all done there right now, but I'm a chipper.

Alright, let's be quiet. Let's think about dirty stuff.

It sucks when you're forced to read something.

Think out loud what you're thinking through your head.

What are you thinking about? Go ahead.

I'm trying to think about...

Yeah.

I mean, space and...

and my hair pulled.

Who's doing that to you? A black guy or a white guy?

Actually, an Italian guy.

Italian.

She's too young in her career to do interracial.

Can't wait for that.

They have rules about that. We were really surprised.

Really? She hasn't done interracial yet?

No, they have rules about that.

What's the rule?

Well, the rule is that...

Mother has to go first.

You add who you're going to go in your career.

Oh, as you go out there.

Yeah.

So like, she doesn't do anal, she doesn't do interracial.

Wait, your daughter's getting...

Shh, shh.

She'll think about getting fucked by a white guy.

An Italian.

Italian guy.

Keep going.

You know I'll sit on here all day if you let me.

Did you have an orgasm yet?

Are you in there?

Okay, shh.

How far do you have a nice big cock?

Big, thick, two inches.

Yeah.

That's hot.

Damn right.

Two inches tall.

Go ahead.

Think about it.

Right over that ass of yours?

Yeah, baby.

That's right.

I bend you over and give it to you hard.

And he's still clapping on the microphone.

You're a smack man.

Smack your ass.

Mouth to ass, everything.

Ass to mouth.

She's spanking herself.

You spank me.

Spank her, Will.

She needs help.

Yeah, spank her.

I know you're mad.

Somebody pull her hair.

That's a good one.

Jack it up all the way, Gary.

Go ahead, now.

Richie, pull her hair, please.

You gotta get this going.

You're Italian, poor hair.

Gary, put it on.

You okay? I think so. But she wanted you to

punch her in the mouth and take out her teeth.

Oh no, you guys are perfect, thank you. Is

that good, they helped you? Oh yeah. So you

got off on that, huh? They were awesome, can

I take them home? Oh yeah, congratulations.

You got a boyfriend in real life? Do you have

a boyfriend in real life? No, I don't. I've

been single about two years. She does now. That's crazy. I know, I got into porn too.

I wasn't getting enough good sex and I wasn't

getting enough practice for myself. I can't

I like to be spanked. Are you proud of your little girl right now? That was a hell of

a performance. Hey, she had a good orgasm, man, that's a happy thing. You're proud of

the performance, aren't you? You are, you

like that. I just hope my son shares my love

of pussy. Let me tell you something. There is something to be said about that. I got

it, Penny. Well, unless he goes the other

way, I'm sure he does. Ellie, I was watching

you, I know my fans on Howard TV are going to go wild when they see you. You're quite

with her. Well, you two really are on to something.

What it is, I don't know, but you're on to

something. To order Desi and Ellie Fox's movie,

The Foxes, that's the double X Foxes, F-O-X-X-S.

As opposed to the single X Foxes. Well, Red

Foxes. A Day in the Lives, Volume 1. TheFoxes.com.

TheFoxes, F-O-X-X-S.com. Go on, you can see the girls on there. I'm sure you can take

a look at their pictures. You'll see they're

quite beautiful. Ladies, what can I say? You're

on to something. This is America, and I guess

anything goes. You think the mom can outdo

the daughter on The Sibbian? Do you think

you can outdo her? No, not at all. No? You're

not a little bit competitive? No. Show her

that who's the boss. I actually want to smack

you two. Come on. You want to get on your mom and outdo her? No. I have a funny story

about The Sibbian, actually. I was at a shoot,

and it was a solo, and I worked on The Sibbian,

and she came to pick me up afterwards, and

she's never even seen one at that point. No,

I haven't ever. I'm like, you have to see it. This is like my boyfriend that I only

get to visit when they hire me for these kind

of jobs. Right. And so she, you know, fully

clothed, whatever, he sat it down so she could

just sit on it. She loved it. She loved it.

So maybe we got to get one. I don't know. Now tell the funny story. We can't really

share it. No, you shouldn't share The Sibbian

with your mom. Get your own. No. Yeah, yeah.

Now listen, ladies, what can I say? I'm quite

taken with the two of you. I'm quite taken

with you. Well, thank you. That really got me off thinking about you just bending me

over. I think I got you when I said I admitted

I had two inches. But you haven't known too

many guys outside. Hey, that's all you need,

baby. The G-spot's right there. That's right.

Ladies, how'd it go in there? Oh, it went wonderful. We had a great time. He was very

good to us. Oh my gosh, I'm still a little lightheaded. How was that Sibian ride? Oh,

that was awesome. That was probably one of

the best Sibian rides we've had. Really? Yeah,

definitely. Your crew was great. They helped

me out perfectly. Just when I needed them.

What was it that got you off? The smacking or the hair pulling? The little pull. More

so the hair pulling. I had something about it, I don't know, and then thinking about

it. You couldn't watch that, could you? No, I

don't watch. I'm going to hurt if she doesn't

watch too, because then I can just, you know.

Yeah, you know, she can relax and enjoy herself.

You guys even had a hard time listening to

each other's clips. Yeah. You walked out of

taking your headphones off. It doesn't bother

me quite as much as her. Like I said, the

fact that my daughter at 22 can enjoy having

orgasms, which when I didn't start doing that

We're just kind of like two single girls swinging.

Just having fun. Yeah, that's kind of the

way we're doing it, because that's who we

are. All right, so you had a good time today?

Yeah, we had a blast. Had a great time. Yeah.

So much better than last time. Thanks for

stopping by. Thank you. Oh, thanks for having us. We appreciate it.

All right, here is Ellie.

So no one's going to talk, it's just going to be me?

You want me to talk to you? Talk dirty to me.

Talk dirty? Yeah. All right, baby, no problem.

Howard, don't do it. Shut up. I'm not getting

yelled at if I talk dirty to you. Sorry.

Oh, that feels so good. Would you like it raised

up? It's going pretty good. Can't have it too

strong, too fast. All right, all right. Go slow,

Gary. Yeah, slow and steady. Mom, you okay over there?

I'm good. The mother's reading the Wall Street

Journal. Shh, come on, don't interrupt. Shh.

Yeah, last time she did something like this, I

had to read something to keep me out of trouble.

What were you reading? It wasn't the Bible. No. Give her a Bible, will you?

Shh, wait. You're helping me get there down there.

Let's be quiet. Let's think about dirty stuff.

It sucks when you're forced to read something. Think

out loud what you're thinking through your head.

What are you thinking about? Go ahead. I'm trying to think about...

Yeah. I'm thinking of space and having my hair pulled.

Who's doing that to you, a black guy or a white guy?

Actually, an Italian. She's too young in her career to

do interracial. Can't wait. They have rules about that.

Really? She hasn't done interracial yet? No,

they have rules about that. What's the rule?

Well, the rule is that you add to your ratio in your career. Oh, as you go. Okay.

So like she doesn't do anal. Wait, your daughter's getting

options. She's thinking about getting fucked by a white guy.

An Italian. An Italian guy. Keep going. You

know I'll sit on here all day if you let me.

Did you have an orgasm yet? I'm in there. I'm a little lightheaded.

Howard, do you have a nice big cock? Big,

thick, two inches. Oh, that's how I like it.

Two inches hard. I can think about you fucking me. Go

ahead. Think about that. Right over that ass of yours.

Yeah, baby. That's right. I bent you over and give it

to you hard. And he's still talking on the microphone.

You're a smack man. Smack your ass. Mouth to ass everything. Ass to mouth.

She's spanking herself. Spank her, Will. You

spank me. Spank her, Will. She needs help.

Yeah, spank her. I know you're mad. Somebody pull her hair.

Ah, that feels good. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Jack it up

all the way. Go, Gary. Give it to her. Go ahead. Now.

Richie, I'm gonna pull your hair, please.

You gotta get this going.

Start out.

You're Italian, pull her hair.

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