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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,341 --> 00:00:08,840 This week on "Vice," 2 00:00:08,875 --> 00:00:12,176 the functional breakdown of our judicial system. 3 00:00:13,781 --> 00:00:16,282 Unfortunately, you almost have to pick and choose 4 00:00:16,317 --> 00:00:20,518 some of the cases that you spend the most amount of time on. 5 00:00:20,554 --> 00:00:22,954 Have any of you met with your public defenders yet? 6 00:00:22,989 --> 00:00:25,890 We've talked to you more than we've talked to our lawyers in a year. 7 00:00:25,925 --> 00:00:28,326 And then, the ongoing conflict 8 00:00:28,361 --> 00:00:30,928 over resources in the jungles of Peru. 9 00:00:32,265 --> 00:00:35,134 It looks like the battlefields of World War I. 10 00:00:35,168 --> 00:00:36,533 It's brutal. 11 00:00:49,515 --> 00:00:50,948 Go, go, go! 12 00:00:53,552 --> 00:00:55,185 We are not animals! 13 00:00:55,798 --> 00:01:05,948 Sync & corrections by honeybunny www.addic7ed.com 14 00:01:06,498 --> 00:01:09,365 The United States incarcerates more people 15 00:01:09,402 --> 00:01:11,102 than any other country in the world. 16 00:01:11,137 --> 00:01:14,204 And a staggering 80% of criminal defendants 17 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,039 are represented by court-appointed public defenders. 18 00:01:17,075 --> 00:01:19,242 Now, public defenders, in many cases, 19 00:01:19,277 --> 00:01:20,444 are woefully overworked, 20 00:01:20,478 --> 00:01:22,912 not being able to get to see their clients for months. 21 00:01:22,948 --> 00:01:23,781 In Louisiana, 22 00:01:23,816 --> 00:01:26,115 a massive shortage of public defenders 23 00:01:26,150 --> 00:01:28,284 is leaving many defendants in jail 24 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:30,085 with their cases in limbo. 25 00:01:30,121 --> 00:01:32,188 Missouri's public defender's office 26 00:01:32,223 --> 00:01:34,723 was already woefully understaffed and underfunded. 27 00:01:34,759 --> 00:01:36,992 So, we sent Cord Jefferson to Missouri 28 00:01:37,028 --> 00:01:39,361 to see what affect this breakdown is having 29 00:01:39,396 --> 00:01:40,831 on our judicial system. 30 00:01:53,911 --> 00:01:54,911 So this is the docket 31 00:01:54,945 --> 00:01:56,478 for the courtroom we're about to go into. 32 00:01:56,514 --> 00:01:57,847 It's well over a hundred cases, 33 00:01:57,882 --> 00:02:01,417 and this is just one docket for one courtroom, 34 00:02:01,453 --> 00:02:03,284 and there's 15 other courtrooms in this building. 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,121 Eighty percent of these people are gonna be represented by public defenders. 36 00:02:08,792 --> 00:02:11,193 It's so crowded in here. 37 00:02:23,105 --> 00:02:25,205 Okay. 38 00:03:04,947 --> 00:03:07,114 Your Honor, I apologize. We're not quite ready. 39 00:03:08,484 --> 00:03:10,884 As public defenders fail to process their cases, 40 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,985 judges like Calvin Holden are finding their courtrooms 41 00:03:13,021 --> 00:03:14,521 increasingly backlogged. 42 00:03:14,556 --> 00:03:17,157 The system is slowly grinding to a halt. 43 00:03:17,192 --> 00:03:18,891 When they don't have enough attorneys 44 00:03:18,927 --> 00:03:21,995 and they don't have any staff, really, to help them, 45 00:03:22,031 --> 00:03:23,931 they can't process cases. 46 00:03:23,966 --> 00:03:27,433 And when a large segment of these cases every month 47 00:03:27,468 --> 00:03:29,436 have to be continued to the next month, 48 00:03:29,471 --> 00:03:33,439 and each time we do that it means it delays it a little bit longer. 49 00:03:33,474 --> 00:03:36,709 And as more and more cases keep coming in the system, 50 00:03:36,745 --> 00:03:39,445 that lag time just gets longer. 51 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,682 Our jail is more crowded now than it ever has been. 52 00:03:43,716 --> 00:03:45,951 We saw this firsthand at Green County's jail, 53 00:03:45,986 --> 00:03:48,987 where the majority of prisoners we met were waiting for their public defenders. 54 00:03:49,022 --> 00:03:51,022 Sometimes for months. 55 00:03:51,058 --> 00:03:52,925 Are you all being represented by public defenders? 56 00:03:52,961 --> 00:03:53,992 - Yes. - Yup. 57 00:03:54,027 --> 00:03:56,094 Have any of you met with your public defenders yet? 58 00:03:57,397 --> 00:03:59,764 And you still haven't met with your public defender? 59 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,799 You've been here three months? 60 00:04:00,835 --> 00:04:03,735 And you haven't met your public defender yet? 61 00:04:06,806 --> 00:04:07,973 Really? 62 00:04:11,679 --> 00:04:13,177 Yeah. 63 00:04:14,281 --> 00:04:15,646 Yeah. 64 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:34,731 How long have you been here in jail? 65 00:04:34,766 --> 00:04:35,966 Fourteen months? 66 00:04:36,002 --> 00:04:38,067 The prisoners who can't afford a lawyer 67 00:04:38,103 --> 00:04:39,670 usually can't afford bail either. 68 00:04:39,706 --> 00:04:41,505 And as they wait indefinitely for their trials, 69 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:43,307 the jail house is filling up. 70 00:04:43,341 --> 00:04:45,643 This unit was built to house 42, 71 00:04:45,677 --> 00:04:47,276 and there are 67 in here today. 72 00:04:47,312 --> 00:04:49,846 So obviously we have to load up some of the cells 73 00:04:49,882 --> 00:04:51,415 - with more than two people. - Mm-hmm. 74 00:04:51,449 --> 00:04:53,417 And we have what we call boats. 75 00:04:53,451 --> 00:04:56,720 And they're just basically plastic-type mattresses, 76 00:04:56,754 --> 00:04:58,988 and somebody has to sleep on the floor. 77 00:04:59,024 --> 00:05:01,824 There's four people in my two-man cell. There's two of us on the floor. 78 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:03,627 Two of you are in the boats? We saw one of the boats. 79 00:05:03,661 --> 00:05:07,463 No, we're on the floor. There's too many-- there's-- we can't fit any boats in there. 80 00:05:07,499 --> 00:05:09,132 Oh, wow. 81 00:05:09,166 --> 00:05:10,911 They don't even have the boats that we saw, 82 00:05:11,031 --> 00:05:12,930 because the boats wouldn't fit in here, 83 00:05:17,149 --> 00:05:18,975 In addition to what we have here, 84 00:05:19,011 --> 00:05:20,677 we also got 115 inmates 85 00:05:20,711 --> 00:05:24,447 housed in other counties outside the facility because we don't have the beds for 'em. 86 00:05:24,481 --> 00:05:26,081 The county will pay a million dollars, 87 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:28,518 probably slightly over a million dollars this year 88 00:05:28,552 --> 00:05:31,053 in out-of-house-- out-of-county housing costs. 89 00:05:31,088 --> 00:05:33,689 You can probably get a lot of public defenders with a million dollars. 90 00:05:33,723 --> 00:05:35,091 Probably so. 91 00:05:35,125 --> 00:05:37,026 Eighty percent of all criminal defendants 92 00:05:37,062 --> 00:05:38,293 need public defenders. 93 00:05:38,329 --> 00:05:42,363 Despite this, of the $265 billion we spend each year 94 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:44,199 on our criminal justice system, 95 00:05:44,233 --> 00:05:47,069 we spend less than 2% of that on public defense. 96 00:05:47,103 --> 00:05:49,538 This leaves court-appointed lawyers like Bryan Delleville 97 00:05:49,574 --> 00:05:52,340 completely overwhelmed by their caseloads. 98 00:05:54,244 --> 00:05:57,011 Good morning, Your Honor. Mr. McManus is here in custody behind me. 99 00:06:00,416 --> 00:06:03,451 There's 25 cases that Brian's hearing. 100 00:06:03,487 --> 00:06:05,620 Can I get just a-- a little bit more time? 101 00:06:05,654 --> 00:06:08,456 I mean, you can see the stacks on Bryan's desk right now. 102 00:06:08,492 --> 00:06:10,824 All the blue folders. 103 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:12,793 She takes care of her mom. She also works-- 104 00:06:12,829 --> 00:06:14,795 I believe, it's two jobs. So, she's trying to save the money 105 00:06:14,831 --> 00:06:18,098 so that she can get her license back. So, if we could get November. 106 00:06:18,134 --> 00:06:20,000 Uh, November 2nd. 107 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,406 And then we'll also set the case for a trial. 108 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,240 Bryan's now been here for, like, an hour. 109 00:06:27,276 --> 00:06:30,043 And this is, I think, the 10th client we've seen him with. 110 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,480 Yeah. You're good to go. 111 00:06:32,514 --> 00:06:36,483 It's crazy how quickly he moves through these people. 112 00:06:40,622 --> 00:06:43,090 I think he's meeting with some of them for the first time. 113 00:06:43,125 --> 00:06:44,725 Next week, okay? 114 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:46,600 I think the craziest thing is that every client 115 00:06:46,629 --> 00:06:49,663 thinks that their case is the most important one in the world to him, 116 00:06:49,697 --> 00:06:51,463 and he has to treat it that way. 117 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:52,531 Which can be challenging, 118 00:06:52,567 --> 00:06:55,168 especially with clients who have mental health issues. 119 00:06:56,004 --> 00:06:58,071 He was indicating to me 120 00:06:58,106 --> 00:07:00,774 that he believed he was able to proceed. 121 00:07:00,809 --> 00:07:02,108 - Mentally competent. Yeah. - Yeah. 122 00:07:02,144 --> 00:07:05,778 And I said, "I just need a doctor to come in and evaluate you 123 00:07:05,812 --> 00:07:09,314 and make sure, because you're facing up to seven years in prison." 124 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:10,783 - Mm-hmm. - "That you're-- 125 00:07:10,817 --> 00:07:12,685 "that we're all on board here and that we're good to go." 126 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Because you need to do your due diligence. Right. Right. 127 00:07:14,956 --> 00:07:17,990 - Okay? - Okay. 128 00:07:18,026 --> 00:07:19,625 I'm going to be seeking 129 00:07:19,661 --> 00:07:21,560 a mental health court screening for him. 130 00:07:21,595 --> 00:07:24,562 I think at this point I have some concerns as to proceeding, 131 00:07:24,598 --> 00:07:27,832 so if I could just maybe get a reappearance next week. 132 00:07:27,869 --> 00:07:30,002 Okay. Let's do that. 133 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:35,105 So, I'm trying to get a doctor in there as soon as possible. 134 00:07:35,141 --> 00:07:37,709 And what if a doctor says he's not good to proceed? 135 00:07:37,744 --> 00:07:39,877 Well, we can't-- we can't proceed if-- 136 00:07:53,659 --> 00:07:55,793 You went through 25 clients 137 00:07:55,829 --> 00:07:57,762 in about two hours. 138 00:07:57,798 --> 00:07:58,896 Mm-hmm. 139 00:07:58,932 --> 00:08:00,798 Is that enough time, really? 140 00:08:03,502 --> 00:08:05,336 No. 141 00:08:05,370 --> 00:08:08,038 In a perfect world, it would be best if, you know, 142 00:08:08,074 --> 00:08:10,341 I had enough time to meet with each of them 143 00:08:10,375 --> 00:08:12,009 well in advance of this hearing, 144 00:08:12,043 --> 00:08:15,312 rather than, those who are out of custody, a lot of times this is their appointment. 145 00:08:15,348 --> 00:08:17,915 Unfortunately, you almost have to pick and choose 146 00:08:17,949 --> 00:08:20,617 some of the cases that you spend the most amount of time on. 147 00:08:20,653 --> 00:08:23,454 I'd love to be able to do that on every single case. 148 00:08:23,488 --> 00:08:25,221 - Yeah. - I mean, I don't want to be somebody 149 00:08:25,257 --> 00:08:27,690 that's just standing next to somebody. 150 00:08:27,726 --> 00:08:29,959 What makes this so hard to accomplish 151 00:08:29,995 --> 00:08:32,929 is that while Missouri's crime rate is amongst the highest in the country, 152 00:08:32,965 --> 00:08:35,099 it actually ranks 49th out of 50 states 153 00:08:35,134 --> 00:08:38,969 in terms of per capita funding for public defenders. 154 00:08:39,004 --> 00:08:41,104 This is my penthouse office here. 155 00:08:41,139 --> 00:08:43,105 It's huge. 156 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:47,176 Um, most of these files on my desk are from last Tuesday and Wednesday 157 00:08:47,211 --> 00:08:49,245 that I still have to process through. 158 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,381 So, this is-- basically, we're looking at your caseload here a little bit. 159 00:08:52,417 --> 00:08:55,118 Yeah, plus... that... 160 00:08:56,288 --> 00:08:58,120 that... 161 00:08:58,155 --> 00:08:59,355 and that... 162 00:09:00,258 --> 00:09:02,557 and those, and in here. 163 00:09:02,592 --> 00:09:04,460 Do you even know how many it is right now? 164 00:09:04,495 --> 00:09:07,163 Um, I think it's... 165 00:09:07,197 --> 00:09:08,630 about 200 or so. 166 00:09:08,666 --> 00:09:10,198 Making matters worse, 167 00:09:10,235 --> 00:09:13,534 the public defenders in this office make an average $12,000 less 168 00:09:13,571 --> 00:09:15,638 than the prosecutors in the same county, 169 00:09:15,673 --> 00:09:18,673 despite having to handle record caseloads. 170 00:09:18,708 --> 00:09:20,908 Well, let's go ahead and get started. 171 00:09:20,943 --> 00:09:22,583 First of all, I wanted to let you guys know 172 00:09:22,613 --> 00:09:23,678 about some things, 173 00:09:23,713 --> 00:09:25,413 some developments we've had in Greene County, 174 00:09:25,448 --> 00:09:28,082 as far as our caseload issues. 175 00:09:28,118 --> 00:09:30,284 I had mentioned to Judge Holden 176 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,653 about kind of where our numbers were at, 177 00:09:32,688 --> 00:09:35,623 and everybody was somewhere between 178 00:09:35,658 --> 00:09:38,927 400 to 600% of capacity. 179 00:09:38,961 --> 00:09:41,096 So that's where we're at with that. 180 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:45,633 Um, also mention that today is Dan's last day. 181 00:09:47,068 --> 00:09:49,303 Uh, but it is Patty's first day, 182 00:09:49,338 --> 00:09:52,606 so welcome, Patty. 183 00:09:52,642 --> 00:09:55,241 Come Monday, assuming nobody quits between now and then, 184 00:09:55,278 --> 00:09:57,912 it will be the first time in 2016 we'll be fully staffed, 185 00:09:57,947 --> 00:10:01,581 so everybody keep your fingers crossed on that one, so. 186 00:10:01,618 --> 00:10:03,549 Daniel Coulter went to law school 187 00:10:03,585 --> 00:10:05,152 specifically to become a public defender. 188 00:10:05,187 --> 00:10:09,056 But after only three years, he's leaving to go into private practice. 189 00:10:09,091 --> 00:10:10,524 Did you ever envision that this day would come, 190 00:10:10,558 --> 00:10:13,460 or were you confident you were gonna be a public defender your entire career? 191 00:10:13,495 --> 00:10:16,797 I didn't have any plans after the public defender's office Yeah. 192 00:10:16,832 --> 00:10:19,599 when I left law school, or when I started this job. 193 00:10:19,634 --> 00:10:21,134 And now you're leaving after three years. 194 00:10:21,168 --> 00:10:22,902 Yeah. It's-it's-it's, uh--- 195 00:10:22,937 --> 00:10:25,071 it's a little bit defeating, in a way. 196 00:10:25,105 --> 00:10:27,139 Like I said, I wanted to be a PD. 197 00:10:27,174 --> 00:10:31,211 - Yeah. - And then it just didn't turn out to be 198 00:10:31,245 --> 00:10:32,645 everything I'd hoped. 199 00:10:32,681 --> 00:10:34,748 So, if you had the caseload that you have now 200 00:10:34,783 --> 00:10:37,115 but you made more money, would that have kept you around? 201 00:10:37,152 --> 00:10:39,451 Possibly. And if you made the amount of money 202 00:10:39,486 --> 00:10:41,386 you make right now but had fewer cases? 203 00:10:41,422 --> 00:10:43,489 - That would help as well. Yeah. - Yeah? 204 00:10:43,524 --> 00:10:46,658 As we focus more and more on criminal justice, 205 00:10:46,693 --> 00:10:49,394 from policing to overcrowding in prisons, 206 00:10:49,429 --> 00:10:53,732 the constitutional right to an adequate defense is often overlooked. 207 00:10:53,768 --> 00:10:55,200 Ezekiel Edwards is the director 208 00:10:55,235 --> 00:10:57,570 of the ACLU's Criminal Law Reform Project. 209 00:10:57,605 --> 00:11:01,139 He broke down why the proper funding of public defense is so important. 210 00:11:01,174 --> 00:11:04,342 What are some of the real consequences that we're facing 211 00:11:04,379 --> 00:11:07,580 because of the fact that public defense is in shambles, as you say? 212 00:11:07,615 --> 00:11:10,581 We know that if you had lawyers at your first appearance, 213 00:11:10,616 --> 00:11:13,717 if you had lawyers at your bail hearings 214 00:11:13,754 --> 00:11:15,888 who were well-funded and well-resourced, 215 00:11:15,923 --> 00:11:18,822 we would have far fewer people detained pretrial. 216 00:11:18,859 --> 00:11:20,993 Without a meaningful indigent defense system, 217 00:11:21,028 --> 00:11:22,126 you have what we have today, 218 00:11:22,162 --> 00:11:24,696 which is over two million people incarcerated 219 00:11:24,730 --> 00:11:27,097 and the highest incarceration rate in the world. 220 00:11:27,133 --> 00:11:29,701 Expenditure on indigent defense in the United States 221 00:11:29,735 --> 00:11:33,136 is a very small fraction of our criminal justice spending as a whole. 222 00:11:33,172 --> 00:11:34,806 Why is there such a discrepancy here? 223 00:11:34,841 --> 00:11:37,008 Well, the lack of indigent defense funding 224 00:11:37,043 --> 00:11:38,643 is a major problem. 225 00:11:38,677 --> 00:11:42,913 States don't give more than 2% of their budgets, nationwide, 226 00:11:42,948 --> 00:11:44,248 to indigent defense funding. 227 00:11:44,283 --> 00:11:47,551 And this results in what we have today, which is a crisis 228 00:11:47,586 --> 00:11:49,620 where we don't have lawyers in many courtrooms 229 00:11:49,654 --> 00:11:51,687 or the lawyers that are in those courtrooms 230 00:11:51,724 --> 00:11:54,325 are swimming under way too many cases 231 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,994 and are unable to provide effective representation. 232 00:11:57,029 --> 00:11:58,761 Is there any indigent defense office 233 00:11:58,798 --> 00:12:00,563 that's doing it right, in your eyes? 234 00:12:00,599 --> 00:12:02,765 There are places like the Bronx Defenders. 235 00:12:02,802 --> 00:12:05,969 The Bronx Defenders serves the South Bronx, 236 00:12:06,004 --> 00:12:08,404 the country's poorest congressional district. 237 00:12:08,441 --> 00:12:11,341 The office combines government money with their own fundraising, 238 00:12:11,375 --> 00:12:14,711 which allows them to hire specialized lawyers who work together in teams 239 00:12:14,746 --> 00:12:18,514 to provide their clients with the best possible defense. 240 00:12:18,549 --> 00:12:21,616 So, I want to introduce you to Kevin Farley. 241 00:12:21,653 --> 00:12:24,519 He is a housing attorney and civil attorney 242 00:12:24,556 --> 00:12:28,191 who works with me in my office, on my team. 243 00:12:28,225 --> 00:12:29,359 Call to confirm... 244 00:12:29,394 --> 00:12:30,759 When a client first meets their attorney, 245 00:12:30,794 --> 00:12:34,096 they may not know immediately that actually what they're getting 246 00:12:34,130 --> 00:12:36,065 is not just an attorney, they're getting an entire team. 247 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:38,934 And that team will have embedded in it 248 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:41,036 immigration attorneys, housing attorneys, 249 00:12:41,072 --> 00:12:42,971 family court attorneys, social workers, 250 00:12:43,006 --> 00:12:45,441 community organizers, investigators-- 251 00:12:45,476 --> 00:12:49,510 an entire interdisciplinary approach to the criminal arrest. 252 00:12:49,546 --> 00:12:51,447 ...and you contacted the police. 253 00:12:51,481 --> 00:12:54,883 In addition to everything else, 254 00:12:54,918 --> 00:12:57,186 I would like you to meet your new lawyer. 255 00:12:57,221 --> 00:13:00,322 We try all of our cases with two lawyers. 256 00:13:00,357 --> 00:13:01,655 All of them. 257 00:13:01,692 --> 00:13:03,692 But you're going to stay with me? 258 00:13:03,726 --> 00:13:06,394 Absolutely. I'll be the lead lawyer on your case. Always. 259 00:13:06,428 --> 00:13:09,297 I'm not going anywhere. Okay. Thank you. 260 00:13:09,331 --> 00:13:10,999 It's funny that what we're seeing here is almost 261 00:13:11,033 --> 00:13:13,033 exactly the opposite of what we saw in Missouri. 262 00:13:13,068 --> 00:13:16,504 Whereas that was one public defender surrounded by, like, six different clients, 263 00:13:16,539 --> 00:13:20,073 this is one client surrounded by three different public defenders on this case. 264 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:22,842 - Thank you very much. - All right. All right. Take care. 265 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:25,178 The argument for programs like the Bronx Defenders 266 00:13:25,215 --> 00:13:27,081 is that investing in quality public defense 267 00:13:27,116 --> 00:13:29,317 ends up saving money in the long run. 268 00:13:29,351 --> 00:13:31,019 If you want to look at it 269 00:13:31,053 --> 00:13:32,653 from the dollars and cents point of view, 270 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:35,956 addressing all the issues that clients are facing in the criminal justice system 271 00:13:35,991 --> 00:13:38,325 ultimately will save taxpayers and governments 272 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,826 enormous amounts of money. 273 00:13:39,861 --> 00:13:42,361 You'll see it in pretrial detention reduction. 274 00:13:42,398 --> 00:13:43,563 You'll see it in the reduction of jail time. 275 00:13:43,599 --> 00:13:45,231 You'll see it in the reduction of prison time. 276 00:13:45,267 --> 00:13:48,769 So, it's very shortsighted to think that if we don't get involved at the beginning 277 00:13:48,803 --> 00:13:51,370 that somehow that's gonna wind up saving taxpayer dollars. 278 00:13:51,407 --> 00:13:53,246 It's gonna wind up costing everybody more money. 279 00:13:53,274 --> 00:13:55,307 But at the end of the day, there is value 280 00:13:55,344 --> 00:13:59,312 in being that person that stands next to the individual and fights 281 00:13:59,347 --> 00:14:01,214 every single day, in every way you can, 282 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:03,582 um, to prevent the system from running them over. 283 00:14:06,821 --> 00:14:09,255 All over the world, natural resources 284 00:14:09,291 --> 00:14:12,323 are being extracted at an astonishing pace. 285 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,393 As a result, developing countries 286 00:14:14,428 --> 00:14:17,363 often face what is known as a resource curse, 287 00:14:17,398 --> 00:14:19,432 where an influx of foreign money 288 00:14:19,466 --> 00:14:22,034 creates an increased risk of government corruption, 289 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:24,703 exploitation, and civil war. 290 00:14:24,739 --> 00:14:28,173 Now, this fight over resources is now raging in Peru, 291 00:14:28,208 --> 00:14:30,341 so we sent Ben Anderson to the Amazon 292 00:14:30,378 --> 00:14:32,844 to see what's happening on the ground there. 293 00:14:44,725 --> 00:14:47,960 So, it's about midnight. It's freezing cold. 294 00:14:47,995 --> 00:14:50,861 And something like 1,800 policemen and soldiers 295 00:14:50,898 --> 00:14:52,529 are gathering for a major operation 296 00:14:52,566 --> 00:14:56,033 against illegal miners here in a town called Rinconada. 297 00:15:08,847 --> 00:15:10,648 At sunrise the next day, 298 00:15:10,682 --> 00:15:12,583 the police arrived at Pampa Blanca, 299 00:15:12,619 --> 00:15:15,986 15,000 feet above sea level, 300 00:15:16,022 --> 00:15:17,922 where the government says illegal gold miners 301 00:15:17,956 --> 00:15:20,557 are causing huge damage to the local environment. 302 00:15:28,835 --> 00:15:31,235 We watched as policemen laid explosives 303 00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:34,403 to destroy every makeshift mining platform they could find. 304 00:15:39,245 --> 00:15:42,044 We're about 25 meters away from-- 305 00:15:50,755 --> 00:15:53,556 This one here is the next one that's gonna get blown up. 306 00:15:56,161 --> 00:15:59,294 But while the destruction of these mines may be good for the environment, 307 00:15:59,330 --> 00:16:02,065 it was clear that this operation would destroy the livelihoods 308 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,134 of people at the very bottom of the food chain. 309 00:16:11,042 --> 00:16:13,442 It's 50 villagers, maybe, 310 00:16:13,477 --> 00:16:18,880 versus 600, 800 heavily-armed policemen. 311 00:16:39,369 --> 00:16:40,808 The official stance of the government 312 00:16:40,836 --> 00:16:45,072 is that these operations are strictly to protect the environment. 313 00:16:45,107 --> 00:16:47,576 Taskforce Chief Antonio Fernandez Jeri 314 00:16:47,610 --> 00:16:50,144 explained the cost of illegal mining. 315 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,347 We were told that if you pay a bribe, 316 00:17:27,383 --> 00:17:29,583 you can get a permit and continue your mining unharassed. 317 00:17:29,617 --> 00:17:30,682 Is that true? 318 00:17:36,324 --> 00:17:39,325 But there are people who claim that when there are profits to be made, 319 00:17:39,361 --> 00:17:41,627 the government has shown itself to be perfectly willing 320 00:17:41,663 --> 00:17:44,396 to abandon the country's precious natural reserves. 321 00:17:44,432 --> 00:17:47,199 Anthropologist Jesus Castro used to work for those 322 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:50,102 oil and gas companies operating within Peru. 323 00:18:11,858 --> 00:18:14,026 What we were hearing was contradictory. 324 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,228 While the state says it wants to protect the land 325 00:18:16,263 --> 00:18:17,797 and the people that live on it, 326 00:18:17,832 --> 00:18:21,132 selling off the resources beneath it to multinational energy companies 327 00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:24,001 often results in mass deforestation. 328 00:18:24,037 --> 00:18:25,804 To see the side effects of such deals, 329 00:18:25,838 --> 00:18:28,205 we went to the edge of Peru's Amazon region. 330 00:18:55,835 --> 00:19:00,371 Even now we can hear machines. Where is that sound coming from? 331 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:27,396 As we drove on, devastation spread for miles. 332 00:19:27,432 --> 00:19:31,933 Look at this. Just no trees left. Polluted water. 333 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:34,903 It looks like the battlefields of World War I. 334 00:19:34,939 --> 00:19:37,173 It's brutal. 335 00:19:37,208 --> 00:19:40,343 Peru is the top gold-producing country in Latin America, 336 00:19:40,378 --> 00:19:43,412 and the destruction has been going on for the last two decades. 337 00:19:44,414 --> 00:19:46,949 All of this was once pristine rainforest. 338 00:19:48,185 --> 00:19:50,419 And this used to be a source of real value, 339 00:19:50,453 --> 00:19:53,422 not just for the people who live here, but for the whole planet. 340 00:19:53,457 --> 00:19:55,857 And now it's a source of poison. 341 00:19:55,894 --> 00:20:01,296 As demand for gold rises, the mines continue to eat away at the rainforest. 342 00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:04,900 But another potentially larger threat looms on the horizon. 343 00:20:06,836 --> 00:20:10,337 Several companies have reason to believe there's natural gas here. 344 00:20:10,374 --> 00:20:13,575 They've signed a deal with the Peruvian government to extract it. 345 00:20:13,611 --> 00:20:16,310 Jesus saw what damage was being done 346 00:20:16,346 --> 00:20:17,979 and what further damage would be done 347 00:20:18,015 --> 00:20:19,747 if the project went ahead. 348 00:20:19,782 --> 00:20:22,384 When his work was ignored, he spoke out. 349 00:20:42,038 --> 00:20:44,003 Hunt oil has a devastating history 350 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:45,972 of working in the Amazon. 351 00:20:46,008 --> 00:20:48,041 They were part of a consortium of companies 352 00:20:48,076 --> 00:20:49,776 that managed the Camisea Gas Project, 353 00:20:49,811 --> 00:20:53,512 which was responsible for one of the major disasters in the Amazon. 354 00:20:53,548 --> 00:20:56,650 The project caused five leaks in just 18 months, 355 00:20:56,684 --> 00:20:58,419 and contact with those working on it 356 00:20:58,453 --> 00:21:01,321 caused the spread of epidemics and chronic diseases. 357 00:21:09,530 --> 00:21:11,964 Jesus shared documents detailing just how extensive 358 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,800 Hunt's exploration of Lot 76 has been. 359 00:21:19,273 --> 00:21:21,974 And there's 166 heliports? 360 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:25,345 Hunt's concession also allows them to search 361 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:27,913 for natural gas by setting off explosives 362 00:21:27,949 --> 00:21:29,848 which send seismic waves into the ground 363 00:21:29,884 --> 00:21:32,151 to create a map of drilling hot spots. 364 00:21:41,228 --> 00:21:43,863 In order to get this deal, Hunt had to conduct an assessment 365 00:21:43,897 --> 00:21:46,397 about what impact their work would have. 366 00:21:47,634 --> 00:21:49,701 So, this one is saying, "inexistencia." 367 00:21:49,737 --> 00:21:51,435 There's nothing of historical 368 00:21:51,471 --> 00:21:54,205 or cultural significance in this area. 369 00:21:55,342 --> 00:21:57,375 So, according to the government itself, 370 00:21:57,411 --> 00:22:00,178 anything of historical significance was inexistencia, 371 00:22:00,213 --> 00:22:02,381 or nonexistent in Lot 76. 372 00:22:03,282 --> 00:22:04,648 If this could be proved wrong, 373 00:22:04,683 --> 00:22:06,851 the companies could be forced out. 374 00:22:06,886 --> 00:22:08,786 We traveled deep into the heart of the jungle 375 00:22:08,821 --> 00:22:10,453 to find Lot 76 ourselves. 376 00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:17,361 There we met the Harakmbut, 377 00:22:17,396 --> 00:22:19,564 a local tribe that has been mapping their territory 378 00:22:19,598 --> 00:22:21,833 and collecting evidence of cultural artifacts 379 00:22:21,867 --> 00:22:25,502 in a last-ditch effort to save their land. 380 00:22:25,538 --> 00:22:27,203 We joined them on a six-day journey 381 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,374 to find something they say has huge cultural significance-- 382 00:22:30,410 --> 00:22:33,710 a rock formation resembling a face they call El Rostro, 383 00:22:33,746 --> 00:22:37,614 one of three artifacts that will form the basis of their claim 384 00:22:37,650 --> 00:22:39,450 that the land should remain protected. 385 00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:41,519 Why are you against Hunt coming here 386 00:22:41,554 --> 00:22:43,953 and having operations throughout the area? 387 00:23:16,153 --> 00:23:18,753 Midway, the Harakmbut carried out a body painting ritual 388 00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:21,891 that they believe guarantees the protection of their ancestors. 389 00:23:44,748 --> 00:23:46,748 He said that... 390 00:23:46,782 --> 00:23:49,022 when I wake up in the morning, I'll be a transformed man, 391 00:23:49,051 --> 00:23:52,621 I'll be a Harakmbut. I'll be one of them. 392 00:23:59,962 --> 00:24:02,329 The following morning, we continued on, 393 00:24:02,365 --> 00:24:04,898 crossing rivers, hiking steep mountainsides, 394 00:24:04,934 --> 00:24:06,967 and constantly having to push the boat upstream 395 00:24:07,002 --> 00:24:08,868 when the river was too shallow. 396 00:24:13,875 --> 00:24:19,046 The entire journey, the river's been this deep, maximum. 397 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,382 So we're always having to stop and drag the boat through. 398 00:24:51,779 --> 00:24:53,746 They spotted a couple of monkeys, 399 00:24:53,781 --> 00:24:56,248 at once common, but now a rare sight. 400 00:25:01,789 --> 00:25:04,423 They say the operations that have already started in the area 401 00:25:04,458 --> 00:25:06,224 have made wildlife scarce. 402 00:25:14,701 --> 00:25:17,803 Lucho has stopped to make updates of the map he'd been drafting. 403 00:25:27,013 --> 00:25:29,914 The map is covered with things that are significant 404 00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:31,883 to the people who live here, 405 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:35,286 and it's supposed to be an area where nothing exists. 406 00:25:45,632 --> 00:25:47,598 So, I think... 407 00:25:47,634 --> 00:25:49,165 the fact that we're back at the river again 408 00:25:49,201 --> 00:25:51,402 means there's just one more peak to go over. 409 00:25:51,438 --> 00:25:53,337 And then we're there. 410 00:25:59,945 --> 00:26:02,046 Before crossing that last peak, 411 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,214 the Harakmbut conducted a tobacco ceremony 412 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:07,416 they believe allayed their fears and negative thoughts. 413 00:26:43,788 --> 00:26:46,122 The Harakmbut believe that the face in the rock 414 00:26:46,157 --> 00:26:48,958 was carved by a god from ancient mythology. 415 00:27:29,164 --> 00:27:32,266 What do you hope that discovering this could mean? 416 00:27:42,577 --> 00:27:44,077 In the time since we've filmed, 417 00:27:44,113 --> 00:27:47,513 Hunt has suspended exploratory drilling in Lot 76, 418 00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:49,182 a huge relief for the Harakmbut. 419 00:27:49,219 --> 00:27:53,820 But the Peruvian government extended the company's rights to the area for three years. 420 00:27:53,856 --> 00:27:56,324 When contacted, Hunt declined to comment 421 00:27:56,358 --> 00:27:58,625 on their operations in the Peruvian Amazon.36308

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