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WOMAN: Notorious Postcard Bandit
has launched a bid for freedom,
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arguing he's served his time
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and murderers
are getting lighter sentences.
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A bit nervous today.
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Ready?
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Yep. Alright.
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Should we go?
Yep.
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Now, the Postcard Bandit
wants to be free,
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launching an appeal against
his extraordinary
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47-year prison term.
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The anxiety's up there.
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(THEME MUSIC)
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(UPBEAT MUSIC)
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I was a young police reporter
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trying to find my next big story,
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and I stumbled across
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the story of Brenden Abbott.
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It's just like talking
to another cop
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when you interview him.
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The first big feature
I did on Brenden Abbott
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and in colour,
it's even more striking.
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Yeah.
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In 1989,
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he was doing 16 years
at Fremantle Prison
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for the Belmont robbery.
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Don't want anyone dead today, do we?
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Get on the ground.
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And the Fremantle prison riot.
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135 inmates
held five prison officers hostage.
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He had a lot of years ahead of him
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and he decided that
he really didn't want to do that.
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So, he managed to get over the wall
with that prison and get out.
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Brenden would've thought
that was his right
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and his duty to escape.
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After the escape,
Abbott and Reynolds fled WA.
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We believed that Abbott
had gone over east
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crossed the border and quite often,
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it ceases then to be our problem
and that's how we treat it.
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(UPBEAT MUSIC)
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I first became aware
of Brenden Abbott after he escaped,
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when I was attached
to what was known then
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as the Special Crime Squad
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in the South Australian police.
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To catch a crook,
you need to think like a crook,
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and that often gives you
a bit of an avenue
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to follow up as far
as investigation's concerned.
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We knew he was very transient
and probably flying...
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(TRAIN HOOTS)
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..possibly using trains
or whatever.
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In those 5.5,
six years I was on the run,
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basically, I was just on a holiday.
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I'll be in a nice four
or five-star hotel
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and the following week
I'm laying in the swag
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in the middle of the outback.
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Be up at Cape York fishing one week,
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and then I'm down
in Thredbo skiing the next.
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I even went to Thailand
for a holiday
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because I needed a bit of R and R,
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the stress was killing me, you know.
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I was using a false passport.
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When I say a false passport,
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it was actually someone legit
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and I just took up their identity
to obtain the passport.
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I probably should have gone
to Europe,
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I should have gone
and not come back.
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With Brenden living the high life
while he was on the run,
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it certainly became frustrating.
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He was enjoying being on the run
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and keeping one over the coppers.
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He was a cheeky fucker.
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(UPBEAT MUSIC)
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When I did fly around
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I'd be in first class
or business class,
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you know, you dress the part,
wear a suit, tie, carry a briefcase
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and everything,
and nobody questions you.
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Nobody looks twice at you.
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The money wasn't really an obstacle.
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You know, I mean if I ran out of
money I'd just go rob a bank.
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(CHUCKLES)
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The security camera
at Westpac snapped this shot
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during an armed hold-up on Friday.
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Brenden Abbott
has thought to have committed
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at least 37 robberies
in five states.
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While he's been credited with some
that he may not have done,
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I think there's definitely
others out there
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that he hasn't been credited with.
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Abbott had gone to ground.
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The only time
they had any idea where he was,
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was when a major bank robbery
would be committed,
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and even then
they couldn't be sure it was him
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because obviously,
there'd be disguises involved.
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Police believe that reports on radio
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and television
may be inspiring copycats.
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The police in South Australia
at best theorise,
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but at that stage,
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I dunno that I had really
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particularly any information
on where he was operating.
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During that time,
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there were robberies
being attributed in South Australia
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and Queensland
and possibly New South Wales
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where the same method
of operation was being used.
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The same MO.
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(RADIO CHATTER)
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His MO, they believed
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involved dropping
from the ceiling of banks,
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not in every case,
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but that became
a strong element of his MO,
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the Drop In Bandit.
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It was a brazen hold-up
in the heart of retail Adelaide.
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It seemed to us
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that he was zipping down
to South Australia
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to get away, do the jobs there,
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and then go somewhere else
where it was quiet,
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try and keep us on our toes.
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It didn't surprise me that
Abbott kept on doing bank hold-ups.
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He probably thought,
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"Well, people don't know me
in South Australia.
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"It's easy to fly in, fly out."
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I think they were slowly starting
to put a picture together
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that Brenden Abbott was behind it
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and that he was commuting
between the states.
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The way I thought about it was that
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Brenden Abbott needs to be
brought to justice.
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Brenden James Abbott.
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The notorious Postcard Bandit.
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Postcard Bandit.
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Postcard Bandit, Brenden Abbott.
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It's the stuff that myths
are made of.
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It's funny with Australians,
they love a larrikin.
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The latter-day bush ranger...
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Who makes Ned Kelly
look like a petty thief.
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He's begun to earn folk hero status.
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We don't like banks.
Banks are ripping everybody off.
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Now, we've got someone who's taken
their money away from them,
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being a Robin Hood
in some people's minds
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and getting away with it
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and cheekily sending postcards
to the coppers say,
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"Catch me if you can."
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Holiday-snapped mail to police.
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Often sending them postcards.
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With photos taken
during his life on the run.
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It was absolutely irresistible
for the media.
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How could you not run
with the story?
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The bank robber taunting police
while he's on the run.
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It was a fantastic yarn
for the media,
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it was irresistible.
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Cool, cunning and a likeable bloke.
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Brenden Abbott
was suddenly a larrikin.
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He was a cheeky bugger
sending postcards to the coppers
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and getting away with it.
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He's laughing at you, isn't he?
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I would think so.
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He was taunting the police
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with these little postcards
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all around the country,
but he wasn't.
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The Postcard Bandit
was really a myth
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and resulted
from some rolls of film
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found in the back of a car
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that Abbott and Reynolds had used
to escape from police.
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They were being pursued
by a 79 Division car
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and shots were fired
at the coppers involved.
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That chase is where
the Postcard Bandit myth comes from.
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The media have always said that
those photographs were sent to us.
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They weren't.
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They were located
in the stolen vehicle,
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so, there was no...
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There was no indication
they were meant for us.
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The police had found
one of those disposable cameras
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in the back of the car
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and later went on
to develop the film
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and there was Reynolds
standing outside
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the Dwellingup Police Station.
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That famous photo wasn't Abbott,
it was Reynolds.
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It's taken by Abbott.
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The media took it that
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this was a postcard
and let's run with it.
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And Abbott was always
in the public eye
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while he was on the run
because of the so-called 'postcard'.
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It was good for the media.
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They were getting the headline
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and we were getting
the information back.
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The public have a view
of Brenden Abbott
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as this rollicking, larrikin,
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bank robber who kept
the coppers at bay,
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was always one step ahead.
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The reality is he's-he's a criminal
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that ran riot for
a total of about seven years
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and then spent most
of his life in jail.
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(TENSE MUSIC)
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When I was younger,
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there'd be police
parked in the streets,
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obviously watching the house.
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He'd take the risk of coming around.
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He'd just come through
the back of the house
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and guess he'd come through
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the back of another property
or stuff.
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He'd come to the house and mum said
he'd just kind of keep it quiet,
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'cause obviously
they'd be listening.
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It's a risky thing on his behalf,
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like, knowing the police
that are watching too.
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So, he's got some balls
to be doing that
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because I sure as hell wouldn't be
doing it that way.
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I remember there was one year
for Christmas
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we got this box delivered
to the house,
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had Nintendo 64 on it,
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all the controllers and pretty much
every single game you could buy.
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So, this is the original Nintendo
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that Dad had bought me
all those years ago,
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so, I still have it.
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I still-still play it
from time to time.
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I've had it all modified inside,
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so, it's got all HDMI connections
and stuff now,
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so, it doesn't hurt the eyes
when I play on the TV.
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At least when he does
get out I can say,
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"Well, here,
you can enjoy the console
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"that you bought me
all those years ago.
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"Just kept it for you,
keep it warm."
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(INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
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Obviously I had my mum,
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she looked after us
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and she did good for us all,
made sure we're always fed,
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had a roof over our head,
all that kind of stuff too,
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so, she's raised us well.
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Whereas Dad didn't have
his dad around.
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How a person was raised,
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their childhood upbringing obviously
has a lot to do
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with how they are as an adult.
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Dad didn't have it good
from the start.
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(INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
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I just thought
we were a normal family.
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Mum, Dad, five kids.
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(BABY CRIES)
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His father Brian had no trouble
putting food on the table.
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He and Thelma had married young.
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And that was more
to do with the fact
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that she had fallen pregnant
with my older sister,
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and so it was essentially
a shotgun wedding.
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She had to get married
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and I don't think my father really
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appreciated having
to be forced into a marriage
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that he didn't really want.
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As far as the kids were concerned,
they had a pretty happy life.
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(DOG BARKS)
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I interviewed Thelma
on several occasions
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and she told me
about her relationship
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with Brian being troubled.
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Brian walked out on Thelma one day
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and she was left as a single mum
with five children.
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My dad handed me some chewy
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and told me that he was leaving.
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That was the last time
he spoke to me
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and walked out the door.
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When my parents separated,
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there was no such thing
as a pension.
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And so my mum had to rely
on food donations.
256
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Suddenly, it wasn't necessarily food
on the table every night
257
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and life for those kids
was pretty tough.
258
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They left Melbourne.
259
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They ended up in Tom Price,
a mining town in Western Australia.
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(BOMB EXPLODES)
261
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Brenden was starting to get
into a bit of trouble at school.
262
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I think after my dad left
263
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and Brenden's behaviour changed,
264
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that my mum took that as her fault.
265
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You know, that's because
I'm not a good enough parent,
266
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you know, and society says that,
267
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you know, a single mother
can't raise children.
268
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The big turning point
in his life was
269
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when he was made
a ward of the state
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because he had hit a girl
with a bike pump.
271
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Now, Brenden was always
of the understanding that
272
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the girl was the judge's daughter
273
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and that's why he got sent
to a boy's home,
274
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but that wasn't actually the reason.
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At the time,
my mum was really struggling
276
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with Brenden's behaviour.
277
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She had actually asked the judge
for him to go into a home
278
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because she wasn't coping.
279
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Before Brenden went into a home,
he wasn't a thief,
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he didn't steal from anybody.
281
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But when he went into Hillstone,
282
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he was around so many children
who were actually committing crimes
283
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and I think he learnt from that.
284
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I think that that changed
the direction of his life.
285
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How he learned crime
was while he was in a boy's home.
286
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(INTENSE MUSIC)
287
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Brenden Abbott is seeking
288
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to have his sentence
deemed unlawful.
289
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If successful,
it'd mean the serial fugitive
290
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can walk out of prison
291
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free for the first time
in almost 30 years.
292
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Not proud of the stuff
that he's done.
293
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It's like he's older now,
he doesn't really...
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Like, he's not going to do something
like that ever again.
295
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Like, the things
that the lawyers have said
296
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and the things Dad said,
297
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it was looking like he was going
to get released really, really soon.
298
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It never goes in his favour
299
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and he doesn't know
what's going to happen.
300
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I can only imagine how he's feeling.
301
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Once it goes to the court,
they just delay, delay, delay
302
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and now we're waiting on a decision
from the judge that she's reserved
303
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and that could take anytime
as long as she wants.
304
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It's just disappointing,
but it's to be expected.
305
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We didn't come here expecting
the best of everything,
306
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so, always expect the worst,
hope for the best.
307
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Of course. Always hopeful.
308
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Yeah, just wait
and see what happens, really.
309
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Yeah.
I just try and stay in high spirits.
310
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So. Yeah, that's it.
311
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That's all I got. Thanks, guys.
312
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(INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
313
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It gets frustrating,
nothing got answered today.
314
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Obviously the judge,
315
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she's not picking up
what he's putting down exactly,
316
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so, she's reserved the decision
on what she's going to do today.
317
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I feel really anxious
318
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that they're not going
to release him.
319
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He's going to sit there
for another five or six years,
320
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maybe longer, you know.
321
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I don't want that, you know, for him
and I just want him out.
322
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Like, it feels like it's so close
to him being released,
323
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but they're just like pushing,
pushing, pushing, pushing.
324
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So, at the moment,
we're still waiting.
325
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We don't know
what's going to happen.
326
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(PENSIVE MUSIC)
327
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So they've adjourned it now
to the 11th of August.
328
00:16:38,354 --> 00:16:39,794
So, the lawyer's not called you yet.
329
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They said they're going to speak
with you anyway
330
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and just give you a bit of a debrief
on what happened.
331
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Being in a courtroom,
it's depressing.
332
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Yeah.
It is.
333
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It-it just feels incredibly unfair
334
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that he should not be given
the earliest opportunity
335
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to come out and spend some time
336
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with his... with his family,
with his son.
337
00:17:02,114 --> 00:17:03,194
That's when I wanted to stand up
338
00:17:03,274 --> 00:17:05,114
and be like, "Well, you guys
didn't want him here
339
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"and now you're fighting
to keep him in longer."
340
00:17:06,634 --> 00:17:08,754
Like, do you fucking want him
or don't you want him?
341
00:17:08,834 --> 00:17:09,914
Because I want him.
342
00:17:11,514 --> 00:17:14,514
(UPBEAT MUSIC)
343
00:17:22,314 --> 00:17:23,394
Abbott and Aaron,
344
00:17:23,474 --> 00:17:25,674
Raymond Reynolds
sneak out of a workshop,
345
00:17:25,754 --> 00:17:29,074
climb onto a roof
and leap 3m to freedom.
346
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He escaped from Fremantle Prison.
347
00:17:33,634 --> 00:17:36,354
Brenden had been on the run
for five years.
348
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Some people even believed
he wasn't in the country.
349
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(UPBEAT MUSIC)
350
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With Brenden living the high life
351
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while-while he was on the run,
352
00:17:50,754 --> 00:17:54,634
there was stories about him
travelling overseas,
353
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a story that he was working
on a pearl lugger
354
00:17:56,794 --> 00:17:59,154
out of Broome
in Western Australia,
355
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that he had his own pilot's licence.
356
00:18:00,954 --> 00:18:02,674
It became quite frustrating.
357
00:18:02,754 --> 00:18:04,554
Where is he and where isn't he?
358
00:18:04,634 --> 00:18:06,634
What allowed him
to remain on the run?
359
00:18:06,714 --> 00:18:10,154
One of the issues was that
no-one was talking to anyone.
360
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Policing in those days
was a very protective thing.
361
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This is my information,
362
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I'm not going to give you
my information
363
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because you might get something
I haven't got.
364
00:18:21,234 --> 00:18:23,554
And without having
a national approach to it,
365
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nothing was going to go anywhere.
366
00:18:29,074 --> 00:18:32,114
So, it was extremely important
that the states work together.
367
00:18:34,394 --> 00:18:38,834
I was going to push for
a better flow of information
368
00:18:38,914 --> 00:18:41,394
between states,
369
00:18:41,474 --> 00:18:45,114
and so I was able to make contact
with Sid Thomas in South Australia.
370
00:18:46,954 --> 00:18:49,434
(INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
371
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I started Operation Passion
372
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because I found that the cooperation
373
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from the other states
was not as good
374
00:18:56,874 --> 00:18:58,114
as it could have been.
375
00:18:58,194 --> 00:19:00,674
Glen Potter and I formed
quite a strong alliance
376
00:19:00,754 --> 00:19:03,794
and he was extremely good detective
377
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who had the same passion
for apprehending Abbott.
378
00:19:08,554 --> 00:19:11,834
We tried to coordinate the knowledge
379
00:19:11,914 --> 00:19:14,954
and intelligence
on a structured basis.
380
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And as a consequence,
381
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we started getting
the other states on board
382
00:19:18,634 --> 00:19:20,594
and we started talking
about similarities
383
00:19:20,674 --> 00:19:24,434
that were occurring between
the robberies over here with Abbott
384
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but also what was going on up
in Queensland
385
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and it started to wield results.
386
00:19:31,114 --> 00:19:34,994
So, I'd taken out a file
and going through the file,
387
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it sparked a memory.
388
00:19:36,634 --> 00:19:38,594
When I was in 79 Division,
389
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we'd been called to
a domestic dispute,
390
00:19:40,754 --> 00:19:43,074
a woman by the name of Kelly Fisher
391
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was having a domestic dispute
with Glen Salmon.
392
00:19:47,874 --> 00:19:49,674
We soon learned when we were there,
393
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Salmon was actually
Brenden Abbott's brother.
394
00:19:53,554 --> 00:19:54,554
And in our discussions,
395
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we were finding that Glen
had been over east
396
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and that period over east
397
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coincided with a well-known robbery
398
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on the Gold Coast.
399
00:20:05,554 --> 00:20:07,994
Commonwealth Bank
at Broadbeach on the Gold Coast
400
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was robbed with consummate ease.
401
00:20:10,234 --> 00:20:12,154
And they just went from to teller
402
00:20:12,234 --> 00:20:15,714
until they had obviously satisfied
403
00:20:15,794 --> 00:20:17,834
with the amounts
that they had received.
404
00:20:17,914 --> 00:20:20,074
Glen was over there with Brenden,
405
00:20:20,154 --> 00:20:24,434
so, Glen was obviously someone
we needed to really focus on.
406
00:20:24,514 --> 00:20:27,514
(POLICE SIREN)
407
00:20:29,074 --> 00:20:31,594
We followed Salmon everywhere.
408
00:20:31,674 --> 00:20:34,354
Salmon had been caught speeding.
409
00:20:35,914 --> 00:20:38,554
They had started searching the car
410
00:20:38,634 --> 00:20:41,074
and they found
what looked like a silencer.
411
00:20:42,634 --> 00:20:46,994
Salmon said it was a muffler
to a motorbike or a go-kart.
412
00:20:47,074 --> 00:20:48,434
They started digging more
413
00:20:48,514 --> 00:20:50,634
and then they found
some ammunition in there.
414
00:20:54,194 --> 00:20:55,354
And at that very moment,
415
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Salmon sprayed both officers
in the eyes
416
00:20:57,514 --> 00:20:59,714
with what we call pepper spray.
417
00:21:02,714 --> 00:21:04,474
They both lunged on him.
418
00:21:04,554 --> 00:21:07,754
Salmon tried to take the gun
out of one of the holsters
419
00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:09,434
with one of the fellas
420
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and Salmon was working very hard
421
00:21:11,594 --> 00:21:12,994
to try and get hold of that gun
422
00:21:13,074 --> 00:21:15,754
to obviously escape
full on fight occurred,
423
00:21:15,834 --> 00:21:18,354
still blinded rolling on the ground.
424
00:21:18,434 --> 00:21:21,394
They eventually subdued him
and got in handcuffs.
425
00:21:21,474 --> 00:21:23,474
(ROCK MUSIC)
426
00:21:25,234 --> 00:21:28,674
We had him brought back
under close guard.
427
00:21:28,754 --> 00:21:30,074
He was shackled
428
00:21:30,154 --> 00:21:31,714
and he was put
into the interview room
429
00:21:31,794 --> 00:21:33,594
and then we just let him sit there
for a while.
430
00:21:33,674 --> 00:21:36,674
(INTENSE MUSIC)
431
00:21:38,674 --> 00:21:40,674
(LIGHT BULB CRACKLES)
432
00:21:46,714 --> 00:21:49,954
We wanted to talk to him,
get into his head,
433
00:21:50,034 --> 00:21:54,234
find out what was important to him,
434
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:57,554
and a summary of that would've been
435
00:21:57,634 --> 00:22:01,394
his allegiance to Brenden
436
00:22:01,474 --> 00:22:02,674
or his new family.
437
00:22:04,634 --> 00:22:06,914
It was a choice he had to make.
438
00:22:06,994 --> 00:22:11,434
Whether his family
were important to him
439
00:22:11,514 --> 00:22:12,594
or Brenden was.
440
00:22:16,274 --> 00:22:22,154
Look, he didn't directly
give Brenden up,
441
00:22:22,234 --> 00:22:23,634
but what he did do
442
00:22:23,714 --> 00:22:26,714
is he gave us a post office box
at Mermaid Beach.
443
00:22:26,794 --> 00:22:29,674
(POLICE SIREN)
444
00:22:29,754 --> 00:22:31,714
Within minutes
of getting that information,
445
00:22:31,794 --> 00:22:33,234
that was out to the Queensland guys.
446
00:22:35,554 --> 00:22:38,434
Post office box was raided,
447
00:22:38,514 --> 00:22:40,714
items were found
in the post office box,
448
00:22:40,794 --> 00:22:42,394
which gave us an address
449
00:22:42,474 --> 00:22:45,554
for the apartment on Broadbeach.
450
00:22:45,634 --> 00:22:48,194
Queensland Police
had a high rise opposite
451
00:22:48,274 --> 00:22:51,274
observing him from that high rise
452
00:22:51,354 --> 00:22:53,434
and identified
it was Brenden Abbott.
453
00:22:55,634 --> 00:22:58,434
Then they saw him leave the flat,
454
00:22:58,514 --> 00:23:01,954
they had a surveillance
operative downstairs
455
00:23:02,034 --> 00:23:04,034
and he was confronted
by the surveillance operative
456
00:23:04,114 --> 00:23:05,514
and he was taken into custody.
457
00:23:11,194 --> 00:23:14,794
One of Australia's most wanted men
has been arrested on the Gold Coast.
458
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32-year-old Brenden James Abbott.
459
00:23:17,594 --> 00:23:20,634
His five-year life on the run
was abruptly terminated.
460
00:23:23,594 --> 00:23:25,234
Fucking oath he was,
461
00:23:25,314 --> 00:23:28,594
five years on the run
out of Fremantle Prison
462
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:30,554
amassing that amount of money.
463
00:23:30,634 --> 00:23:32,034
Yeah, of course he was.
464
00:23:32,114 --> 00:23:33,634
He was a hell of an adversary.
465
00:23:35,874 --> 00:23:37,954
Well, it was a quite sheer relief,
466
00:23:38,034 --> 00:23:40,354
the psychology
of a professional bank robber,
467
00:23:40,434 --> 00:23:42,714
they're certainly thinking
more about themselves
468
00:23:42,794 --> 00:23:45,674
and their own existence
than they are of the people
469
00:23:45,754 --> 00:23:46,714
that they're robbing.
470
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If you are a victim
of any of these robberies,
471
00:23:48,554 --> 00:23:50,474
you've got to put yourself
in that position
472
00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:52,914
and think, "How would I feel?"
473
00:23:52,994 --> 00:23:55,994
(INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
474
00:23:58,794 --> 00:24:00,274
My name's Gwen Lehmann.
475
00:24:00,354 --> 00:24:03,034
I did 14 years
with Commonwealth Bank.
476
00:24:07,554 --> 00:24:09,714
I would start, I think it was 9:30
477
00:24:09,794 --> 00:24:11,114
just as the bank opened
478
00:24:11,194 --> 00:24:14,754
and I think I probably
finished about 4:15,
479
00:24:14,834 --> 00:24:16,914
which suited me
doing the shorter hours
480
00:24:16,994 --> 00:24:18,754
being a mother.
481
00:24:18,834 --> 00:24:22,074
15 minute drive home
to be with the kids,
482
00:24:22,154 --> 00:24:24,354
you know, just be arriving
home themselves
483
00:24:24,434 --> 00:24:28,354
and, yeah, it was great
484
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:31,274
until it was robbed
by Brenden Abbott.
485
00:24:32,674 --> 00:24:36,154
Hold ups have been constantly
in the news in recent months.
486
00:24:37,234 --> 00:24:39,994
There'd been a spate of robberies
487
00:24:40,074 --> 00:24:43,754
and, yeah, it was in the news a lot.
488
00:24:45,834 --> 00:24:48,074
And on that Australia Day
long weekend
489
00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:49,354
trying to be vigilant,
490
00:24:49,434 --> 00:24:51,914
a closing time came around,
everything was great,
491
00:24:51,994 --> 00:24:56,994
you know, and that's
when I heard this crash
492
00:24:57,074 --> 00:25:00,234
and I saw this figure emerging
493
00:25:00,314 --> 00:25:03,354
and then another one
and all in black.
494
00:25:05,874 --> 00:25:06,954
I could see the gun,
495
00:25:07,034 --> 00:25:09,834
and so that's why immediately
I dropped down.
496
00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:11,914
(SOBS)
497
00:25:12,994 --> 00:25:15,754
You're just hoping the police
are going to get there really quick.
498
00:25:15,834 --> 00:25:17,634
You're just in shock, you know,
499
00:25:17,714 --> 00:25:20,194
because it is so aggressive
and frightening.
500
00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:24,554
How can he do that?
It's not his money.
501
00:25:24,634 --> 00:25:28,234
He's got no right to be doing that
and frightening all these people,
502
00:25:28,314 --> 00:25:29,754
you know, just get a job.
503
00:25:31,274 --> 00:25:34,074
I didn't stay at that branch
very long after that.
504
00:25:36,314 --> 00:25:39,914
I really didn't want to, I guess.
505
00:25:39,994 --> 00:25:41,914
Didn't need that trauma in my life.
506
00:25:43,754 --> 00:25:47,354
You can't help
but take it personally though,
507
00:25:47,434 --> 00:25:50,314
just hoped he would be
caught really.
508
00:25:50,394 --> 00:25:53,474
I'm not happy that
they do glamorise people
509
00:25:53,554 --> 00:25:54,834
that do these things.
510
00:25:54,914 --> 00:25:57,274
They're not to be celebrated,
are they?
511
00:25:57,354 --> 00:26:00,514
I'm sure a lot more bank officers
probably feel the same.
512
00:26:10,714 --> 00:26:13,034
Yeah, Dad, he likes to cook.
513
00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:14,234
He's always got his little...
514
00:26:14,314 --> 00:26:15,874
That's another thing I want
to ask him when he gets out,
515
00:26:15,954 --> 00:26:17,314
everyone's got their little...
516
00:26:17,394 --> 00:26:19,154
their little prison recipes
they make inside.
517
00:26:21,674 --> 00:26:23,314
But I'd like to see him
cook me something.
518
00:26:25,354 --> 00:26:28,354
(PHONE RINGS)
519
00:26:29,554 --> 00:26:31,434
If you do not wish
to receive this call,
520
00:26:31,514 --> 00:26:33,314
please hang up.
521
00:26:33,394 --> 00:26:34,834
Go ahead, please.
522
00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:50,114
Some things they've found
the lawyers have found
523
00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:52,834
and things that
they see doesn't add up.
524
00:27:01,674 --> 00:27:02,794
(LAUGHS)
525
00:27:02,874 --> 00:27:05,994
So, what they're looking at now
is he was basically since 2016,
526
00:27:06,074 --> 00:27:07,594
he's been unlawfully detained
527
00:27:07,674 --> 00:27:10,514
so, he probably shouldn't have been
even put back inside after that.
528
00:27:14,194 --> 00:27:15,154
Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know.
529
00:27:15,234 --> 00:27:16,514
That's what I said
that you're seeing people
530
00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:17,754
that are fucking,
they're kiddy fiddlers
531
00:27:17,834 --> 00:27:19,674
or fucking murderers
or fucking rapists
532
00:27:19,754 --> 00:27:21,474
and all this kind of stuff
and then yeah, it's ridiculous.
533
00:27:21,554 --> 00:27:22,554
(PHONE BEEPS)
534
00:27:24,034 --> 00:27:25,034
Yeah.
535
00:27:28,874 --> 00:27:30,274
Yeah, that's fine, mate.
No, dramas.
536
00:27:34,594 --> 00:27:38,914
Yeah, and then the last
30, 40 seconds
537
00:27:38,994 --> 00:27:40,034
you just cop those beeps,
538
00:27:40,114 --> 00:27:41,954
so, it's hard to kind of hear
what he says.
539
00:27:42,034 --> 00:27:45,354
Sometimes like if he makes a remark
or says a certain thing,
540
00:27:45,434 --> 00:27:46,914
there's always someone
listening for every call,
541
00:27:46,994 --> 00:27:47,994
they listen to those,
542
00:27:48,074 --> 00:27:50,994
they'll just shut the call down
and they'll just cancel the call.
543
00:27:51,074 --> 00:27:52,234
Trying to have a relationship
with him
544
00:27:52,314 --> 00:27:53,754
with all those kind
of restrictions in place,
545
00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:56,234
it's not... it's not
out of the ordinary for me,
546
00:27:56,314 --> 00:27:59,154
so, to me it's just like getting
ten-minute phone calls with him
547
00:27:59,234 --> 00:28:01,594
or getting an hour visit
with him when I see him in person,
548
00:28:01,674 --> 00:28:02,954
that is normal.
549
00:28:03,034 --> 00:28:04,554
I've never had it any other way.
550
00:28:10,954 --> 00:28:12,434
What'd he say?
Ten minutes, didn't he?
551
00:28:18,114 --> 00:28:19,194
It's been 11 minutes now.
552
00:28:21,234 --> 00:28:22,994
Already let me down.
553
00:28:23,074 --> 00:28:26,074
(ROCK MUSIC)
554
00:28:32,034 --> 00:28:33,434
In 1997,
555
00:28:33,514 --> 00:28:35,634
Brenden had been on the run
for five years.
556
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:37,034
On the ground.
557
00:28:37,114 --> 00:28:42,234
Eventually got caught
on the Gold Coast
558
00:28:42,314 --> 00:28:44,234
and then we've got him
locked up in Longland
559
00:28:44,314 --> 00:28:45,554
in a maximum security prison.
560
00:28:45,634 --> 00:28:47,634
(ROCK MUSIC)
561
00:28:52,514 --> 00:28:53,994
It was a great time
562
00:28:54,074 --> 00:28:55,554
because he wasn't
our problem anymore.
563
00:28:56,674 --> 00:28:58,154
How's he going
to get out of this one?
564
00:28:58,234 --> 00:29:00,034
He's not.
565
00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:01,074
Brenden Abbott.
566
00:29:01,154 --> 00:29:02,874
Australia's most
celebrated bank robber
567
00:29:02,954 --> 00:29:06,674
and prison escapee
is finally back behind bars.
568
00:29:06,754 --> 00:29:07,714
At that point,
569
00:29:07,794 --> 00:29:10,434
I thought the Brenden Abbott
story was over.
570
00:29:10,514 --> 00:29:11,514
I thought, "That's it.
571
00:29:11,594 --> 00:29:14,114
"He's never going
to get out of prison."
572
00:29:14,194 --> 00:29:16,794
But then after a short while,
it went back to business as usual.
573
00:29:31,194 --> 00:29:34,834
In this document here,
which obviously he's written,
574
00:29:34,914 --> 00:29:37,434
he's outlined a handle he made up
575
00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:39,874
out of something he found
in the prison
576
00:29:39,954 --> 00:29:43,474
for the diamond wire
to cut through the-the bars.
577
00:29:43,554 --> 00:29:45,474
You just can't hold the wire
and cut away,
578
00:29:45,554 --> 00:29:46,554
it'll just cut through your hand.
579
00:29:46,634 --> 00:29:48,594
So, he is devised a form
of a handle.
580
00:29:48,674 --> 00:29:52,834
It just shows the length of detail
he went to do his planning.
581
00:29:54,354 --> 00:29:57,274
Abbott and these other four inmates
582
00:29:57,354 --> 00:30:00,074
have diamond wire
and smuggled into the prison.
583
00:30:00,154 --> 00:30:04,114
The wire was inserted inside
the antenna of a radio
584
00:30:04,194 --> 00:30:06,434
that was delivered to Abbott
585
00:30:06,514 --> 00:30:08,474
as a gift from a family member
586
00:30:08,554 --> 00:30:10,034
and it probably
would've been checked.
587
00:30:10,114 --> 00:30:11,834
It would've opened up the inside
and had a look,
588
00:30:11,914 --> 00:30:13,834
but no-one looked inside
the antenna.
589
00:30:13,914 --> 00:30:15,034
(PENSIVE MUSIC)
590
00:30:23,514 --> 00:30:25,834
Brenden Abbott
had befriended an inmate
591
00:30:25,914 --> 00:30:27,834
and his name was Berichon.
592
00:30:57,194 --> 00:31:00,034
Your conversation will be recorded.
Go ahead please.
593
00:31:00,114 --> 00:31:01,354
Berichon.
594
00:31:01,434 --> 00:31:06,794
Berichon has sourced weapons
and organised getaway cars
595
00:31:06,874 --> 00:31:09,354
using code as to
when the escape would occur.
596
00:31:24,754 --> 00:31:27,194
They had to each individually
break out of their cells
597
00:31:27,274 --> 00:31:30,194
and then also escape
out of the block itself.
598
00:31:32,594 --> 00:31:35,714
Berichon signalled to them
that it's OK to escape
599
00:31:35,794 --> 00:31:37,234
with a flash of a light.
600
00:31:38,554 --> 00:31:42,354
They used plastic chairs
that they melted together
601
00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:45,714
and stacked up to be able
to leap over the razor wire
602
00:31:45,794 --> 00:31:47,354
that surrounded the block.
603
00:31:51,114 --> 00:31:53,394
There were several fences
that they had to get through.
604
00:32:06,754 --> 00:32:10,274
The prison perimeter vehicle
come trundling around the corner,
605
00:32:10,354 --> 00:32:12,074
Berichon had to open fire on them.
606
00:32:12,154 --> 00:32:13,874
With a high-powered rifle.
607
00:32:15,154 --> 00:32:16,434
(GUN FIRES)
608
00:32:42,314 --> 00:32:44,714
No-one knew
what was going to happen next.
609
00:32:44,794 --> 00:32:46,434
Brisbane was a city under siege.
610
00:32:47,754 --> 00:32:49,274
We haven't got a clue
where they're going,
611
00:32:49,354 --> 00:32:50,394
what their plans are.
612
00:32:50,474 --> 00:32:51,674
Was there going to be a shoot-out?
613
00:32:51,754 --> 00:32:54,674
Was there going to be
a bank robbery?
614
00:32:54,754 --> 00:32:57,514
Heavily armed police
were out in force today
615
00:32:57,594 --> 00:33:01,234
combing the bushland
and suburbs to Brisbane south.
616
00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:03,034
It just felt like
anything could happen.
617
00:33:03,114 --> 00:33:07,234
There was just I think a real sense
of nervous tension in the air.
618
00:33:07,314 --> 00:33:08,874
(POLICE SIREN)
619
00:33:08,954 --> 00:33:11,594
Three of the men are serving
life sentences for murder.
620
00:33:11,674 --> 00:33:15,074
Another is serving 13 years
while suspected ringleader.
621
00:33:15,154 --> 00:33:18,914
Brenden Abbott is serving 12 years
for armed robbery.
622
00:33:18,994 --> 00:33:20,954
When Brenden escaped from Longland,
623
00:33:21,034 --> 00:33:23,954
he escaped with accomplices,
624
00:33:24,034 --> 00:33:26,234
at least four other complete losers
625
00:33:26,314 --> 00:33:28,234
who were dangerous criminals
626
00:33:28,314 --> 00:33:30,554
who were going to create havoc,
627
00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:33,074
you know, going to brothels,
committing offences.
628
00:33:34,234 --> 00:33:37,314
He always knew
that coppers had limited resources
629
00:33:37,394 --> 00:33:39,554
and if we are chasing off
after those guys
630
00:33:39,634 --> 00:33:41,554
who were just going nuts
after an escape,
631
00:33:41,634 --> 00:33:43,874
there's less chance
we're going to be working on him
632
00:33:43,954 --> 00:33:45,034
or discovering him.
633
00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:50,634
The other guys could
eventually got caught
634
00:33:50,714 --> 00:33:52,834
and him and Berichon went off
635
00:33:52,914 --> 00:33:54,314
and they teamed up for a while,
636
00:33:54,394 --> 00:33:57,794
which enabled Brenden
to carry on his robberies.
637
00:34:05,834 --> 00:34:07,994
This sounds nice, Atlantic salmon.
638
00:34:10,074 --> 00:34:12,554
It's probably the dearest
fucking thing on the menu.
639
00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:14,394
It would mean the world for me
640
00:34:14,474 --> 00:34:16,794
to see Brenden get out
and spend time with James.
641
00:34:16,874 --> 00:34:19,394
Probably more so for James
than for Brenden
642
00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:22,434
because I believe that James
643
00:34:22,514 --> 00:34:25,274
is desperate to have some
sort of a connection with his dad.
644
00:34:27,434 --> 00:34:28,794
If they do come back
and work it all out.
645
00:34:28,874 --> 00:34:31,114
How does it work though?
Can he walk?
646
00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:32,634
Like, if they go, "OK, it's wrong."
647
00:34:32,714 --> 00:34:34,234
Like, there's no reason
they can reserve the decision.
648
00:34:34,314 --> 00:34:35,314
Like, if that's the case,
649
00:34:35,394 --> 00:34:37,274
they should say all it needs
to be out today.
650
00:34:37,354 --> 00:34:38,314
Yep.
651
00:34:38,394 --> 00:34:39,354
If I was in his position, they said,
652
00:34:39,434 --> 00:34:40,794
"Oh, no, your time
was served years ago."
653
00:34:40,874 --> 00:34:43,394
I'm like, "Oh, open the door.
I'm walking outside now."
654
00:34:43,474 --> 00:34:44,554
And every minute
they hold him after,
655
00:34:44,634 --> 00:34:46,514
they hold him against
his will, really, aren't they?
656
00:34:46,594 --> 00:34:48,234
Yeah. Well, yeah.
657
00:34:48,314 --> 00:34:50,354
So, I'll just hop straight
on the plane and go, really?
658
00:34:50,434 --> 00:34:53,434
If I got a call and saying,
"Yeah, it's all sweet",
659
00:34:53,514 --> 00:34:55,674
I'd book a flight and I'd be
at the airport within the hour.
660
00:34:55,754 --> 00:34:57,634
Yep. Yep.
And then, yeah.
661
00:34:57,714 --> 00:34:59,834
How do you think he's going
to go flying back, though?
662
00:35:01,914 --> 00:35:03,354
I don't know,
he'd probably be a bit fan...
663
00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:05,114
probably want me to put him
in fucking business class.
664
00:35:05,194 --> 00:35:06,314
You'd have to.
665
00:35:06,394 --> 00:35:07,714
If he carries
and I'll strap him to the wing.
666
00:35:07,794 --> 00:35:08,834
(LAUGHS)
667
00:35:10,594 --> 00:35:13,034
I think Brenden
has definitely served his time.
668
00:35:13,114 --> 00:35:14,594
Brenden needs to get out of jail
669
00:35:14,674 --> 00:35:16,674
and he needs to spend time
with his own son,
670
00:35:16,754 --> 00:35:18,634
which he has not done
671
00:35:18,714 --> 00:35:21,754
since his son was born, pretty much.
672
00:35:23,554 --> 00:35:25,674
If he's due for parole in October...
673
00:35:25,754 --> 00:35:26,874
Mm-hm.
674
00:35:26,954 --> 00:35:29,594
If they don't start integrating him,
675
00:35:29,674 --> 00:35:31,594
they're going to say,
"No, we're not giving him parole
676
00:35:31,674 --> 00:35:33,594
"because he hasn't had
enough integration time."
677
00:35:33,674 --> 00:35:34,634
Yeah.
678
00:35:34,714 --> 00:35:35,794
Like, 'cause he needs to be able
679
00:35:35,874 --> 00:35:38,674
to get used to looking
after himself.
680
00:35:38,754 --> 00:35:39,754
Well, that's right.
681
00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:41,554
Not that he can't do it,
but still...
682
00:35:41,634 --> 00:35:42,954
It's... You want to give some...
683
00:35:43,034 --> 00:35:44,634
But that's an excuse
for them to say no.
684
00:35:44,714 --> 00:35:46,434
He's 63 years old.
I know.
685
00:35:46,514 --> 00:35:47,794
When are they going
to fucking let it go?
686
00:35:47,874 --> 00:35:48,874
I know.
687
00:35:48,954 --> 00:35:50,634
I have never ever said
688
00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:52,674
that I don't believe that Brenden
should have served time.
689
00:35:52,754 --> 00:35:54,354
He did a crime
690
00:35:54,434 --> 00:35:57,074
and when you do a crime,
you do the time.
691
00:35:57,154 --> 00:35:58,154
This is not time.
692
00:35:58,234 --> 00:36:01,674
This was not anymore
about a bank robber,
693
00:36:01,754 --> 00:36:04,754
this was a political agenda
694
00:36:04,834 --> 00:36:07,994
because they were pissed off
at what he had done.
695
00:36:10,394 --> 00:36:12,834
Abbot's been on the run
for almost a month now.
696
00:36:12,914 --> 00:36:14,554
One sighting was in the city,
697
00:36:14,634 --> 00:36:16,394
but we have been unable
to confirm this.
698
00:36:16,474 --> 00:36:19,794
The elusive escapee
could still be just about anywhere.
699
00:36:19,874 --> 00:36:21,274
It's a cat and mouse game.
700
00:36:21,354 --> 00:36:23,874
Cops trying to find a crook,
especially someone like that.
701
00:36:28,034 --> 00:36:30,594
When Brenden escaped
from Longland prison,
702
00:36:30,674 --> 00:36:32,234
he and Berichon teamed up.
703
00:36:33,754 --> 00:36:37,234
Berichon was obviously
on the run with Abbott
704
00:36:37,314 --> 00:36:39,474
and in Victoria
there was an incident
705
00:36:39,554 --> 00:36:40,634
where there had been a drug deal
706
00:36:40,714 --> 00:36:43,514
identified by two
Victorian police officers.
707
00:36:43,594 --> 00:36:45,114
And as a result of that,
708
00:36:45,194 --> 00:36:46,194
there had been a shooting
709
00:36:46,274 --> 00:36:47,754
and the two officers
had been wounded.
710
00:36:51,754 --> 00:36:54,474
And it turned out it was Berichon.
711
00:36:54,554 --> 00:36:56,194
(SIREN WAILS)
712
00:36:56,274 --> 00:36:57,234
Warrants have been issued
713
00:36:57,314 --> 00:36:59,474
for the arrest of 20-year-old
Brenden Luke Berichon
714
00:36:59,554 --> 00:37:02,234
over the shooting
of two police officers with him,
715
00:37:02,314 --> 00:37:04,154
Australia's notorious
Postcard Bandit.
716
00:37:36,354 --> 00:37:39,034
You've taken a big step
when you shoot coppers.
717
00:37:39,114 --> 00:37:41,514
That raised hackles
across the country.
718
00:37:41,594 --> 00:37:44,114
(HELICOPTER WHIRRS)
719
00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:58,554
(SIREN WAILS)
720
00:37:58,634 --> 00:38:00,594
So, now that we have a shooting
721
00:38:00,674 --> 00:38:04,834
the Postcard Bandit becomes
a national thing of interest again.
722
00:38:04,914 --> 00:38:08,354
Order. Members will calm down.
723
00:38:08,434 --> 00:38:11,674
Brenden Abbott's embarrassed
the governments of both Queensland,
724
00:38:11,754 --> 00:38:13,834
WA at a political level.
725
00:38:13,914 --> 00:38:15,194
We can't keep a prisoner in.
726
00:38:15,274 --> 00:38:17,074
Politicians pay attention to that.
727
00:38:17,154 --> 00:38:20,194
But Abbott very much
became a political football.
728
00:38:20,274 --> 00:38:23,634
The opposition Labor Party
were hammering the Nationals
729
00:38:23,714 --> 00:38:25,554
over the fact
that Abbott had managed
730
00:38:25,634 --> 00:38:26,794
to escape from prison.
731
00:38:26,874 --> 00:38:28,394
Brenden Abbott is a symbol
732
00:38:28,474 --> 00:38:30,434
of the incompetence
of this government.
733
00:38:30,514 --> 00:38:33,034
The two parties in Queensland
734
00:38:33,114 --> 00:38:36,074
were vying for the reputations
735
00:38:36,154 --> 00:38:38,554
of being the toughest
on law and order.
736
00:38:38,634 --> 00:38:39,834
Where is Brenden Abbott?
737
00:38:44,554 --> 00:38:47,754
Berichon went off the rails
in Victoria and shot the copper.
738
00:38:47,834 --> 00:38:49,474
We now had something firm
739
00:38:49,554 --> 00:38:51,994
that they're on the move
740
00:38:52,074 --> 00:38:54,114
that ultimately led to Darwin.
741
00:38:56,554 --> 00:38:58,474
Well, it was a bit
of a lead up to his capture.
742
00:38:58,554 --> 00:39:01,554
I was asked to listen
to some telephone intercepts
743
00:39:01,634 --> 00:39:03,874
by the National Crime
Authority in relation
744
00:39:03,954 --> 00:39:06,914
to a person they thought
might've been Brenden Abbott
745
00:39:06,994 --> 00:39:09,274
in the north of Australia.
746
00:39:09,354 --> 00:39:12,194
When I listened to the tape,
yeah, it did sound like him.
747
00:39:13,394 --> 00:39:14,874
Things really started moving,
748
00:39:14,954 --> 00:39:18,634
but the authorities were very angry
and as a consequence,
749
00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:21,154
they were going to throw
everything in at the hunt
750
00:39:21,234 --> 00:39:22,234
for Brenden Abbott.
751
00:39:23,074 --> 00:39:26,034
He's been very lucky
to slip through the police net
752
00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:28,074
but he got very unlucky that day.
753
00:39:28,154 --> 00:39:30,754
He was caught coming out
from doing his laundry.
754
00:39:36,754 --> 00:39:39,074
(POLICE SIREN)
755
00:39:48,994 --> 00:39:49,954
Good evening.
756
00:39:50,034 --> 00:39:52,154
Australia's most notorious
bank robber, Brenden Abbott,
757
00:39:52,234 --> 00:39:53,834
is back behind bars tonight.
758
00:39:53,914 --> 00:39:56,354
One of his requests has been for us
759
00:39:56,434 --> 00:39:58,754
to retrieve his laundry
in the dryer.
760
00:39:59,914 --> 00:40:02,954
Brenden, are you looking forward
to going back to Queensland?
761
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:04,954
It wasn't a typical thing
for a criminal
762
00:40:05,034 --> 00:40:08,514
to be flown from one city
to another in a... in a private jet.
763
00:40:10,354 --> 00:40:13,474
The level of notoriety
that he had gained
764
00:40:13,554 --> 00:40:16,074
and the fears that the police
probably quite rightly
765
00:40:16,154 --> 00:40:17,834
had at that stage
766
00:40:17,914 --> 00:40:20,314
were that it required
the highest level of security.
767
00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:25,914
There was that Lex Luther persona
surrounding Abbott.
768
00:40:25,994 --> 00:40:28,914
He was in the eyes of the police
and corrective services,
769
00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:31,194
he was a super villain
capable of anything.
770
00:40:31,274 --> 00:40:35,154
Abbott was moved by helicopter
to high security at Woodford Prison.
771
00:40:35,234 --> 00:40:37,034
They set up
this special cell for him
772
00:40:37,114 --> 00:40:38,874
in the supermax at Woodford
773
00:40:38,954 --> 00:40:41,874
and vowed that he would be
remaining in solitary
774
00:40:41,954 --> 00:40:43,154
for a very long time
775
00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:45,994
and no opportunity to escape
and that's exactly what happened.
776
00:40:46,074 --> 00:40:47,314
(CELL DOOR SHUTS)
777
00:40:49,514 --> 00:40:51,514
(BIRDS CHIRP)
778
00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:56,594
Abbott spent
the best part of ten years
779
00:40:56,674 --> 00:40:57,914
in solitary confinement in,
780
00:40:57,994 --> 00:40:59,794
like, Hannibal Lector almost.
781
00:41:06,954 --> 00:41:10,234
Oh, being in solitary
like 23 hours a day lockdown,
782
00:41:10,314 --> 00:41:12,634
I'm pretty sure, like, in your cell,
basically,
783
00:41:12,714 --> 00:41:14,834
that would be enough
to drive anyone insane.
784
00:41:17,634 --> 00:41:19,874
I think he did six years straight
at one stage with that,
785
00:41:19,954 --> 00:41:21,354
which is fucking ridiculous.
786
00:41:21,434 --> 00:41:25,034
I don't know how
they got away with doing that.
787
00:42:17,234 --> 00:42:19,354
How do you get through that,
like, to not be crazy?
788
00:42:19,434 --> 00:42:21,034
You know, what I mean for what,
12 years?
789
00:42:24,274 --> 00:42:25,274
Oh, yeah.
790
00:42:46,554 --> 00:42:47,674
As far as his mental health
that goes,
791
00:42:47,754 --> 00:42:50,674
he seems in good spirits
and all that kind of stuff too,
792
00:42:50,754 --> 00:42:51,914
but you can never really tell.
793
00:42:51,994 --> 00:42:53,994
You know, someone
can be really depressed
794
00:42:54,074 --> 00:42:55,074
and no-one would even know
795
00:42:55,154 --> 00:42:57,034
because the person's always showing
like a smile and being all happy.
796
00:42:57,114 --> 00:42:59,114
(KEYS JINGLE)
797
00:43:18,754 --> 00:43:21,154
The treatment was just insane.
798
00:43:21,234 --> 00:43:23,994
He's in jail, you've got him
in maximum security.
799
00:43:24,074 --> 00:43:25,514
Why are you doing this?
800
00:43:25,594 --> 00:43:28,234
Anyone spending
24 hours by themselves
801
00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:29,394
knows it's difficult.
802
00:43:29,474 --> 00:43:31,874
To do that for the timeframe he did,
803
00:43:31,954 --> 00:43:35,194
I mean, to me that was just gutless
to the authorities too.
804
00:43:46,634 --> 00:43:49,074
I'm surprised that Brenden
805
00:43:49,154 --> 00:43:54,194
is not completely screwed
in the head, completely.
806
00:44:02,394 --> 00:44:06,554
30 years inside is punishment
807
00:44:06,634 --> 00:44:08,794
for embarrassing the system.
808
00:44:08,874 --> 00:44:11,394
I do think that is what has happened
to Brenden Abbott,
809
00:44:11,474 --> 00:44:13,834
but he has been behind bars
810
00:44:13,914 --> 00:44:18,514
since 1995 with the exception
of that six months on the run
811
00:44:18,594 --> 00:44:22,114
and most of that time
has been in solitary.
812
00:44:22,194 --> 00:44:25,434
I think there's the old attitude,
do the crime, you serve the time.
813
00:44:25,514 --> 00:44:26,914
There are probably
plenty of good reasons
814
00:44:26,994 --> 00:44:28,034
why he wants to get out
815
00:44:28,114 --> 00:44:30,714
because I'm sure
there's still funds available.
816
00:44:30,794 --> 00:44:31,794
I did have some knowledge
817
00:44:31,874 --> 00:44:33,634
that he's got money stashed here
in South Australia,
818
00:44:33,714 --> 00:44:37,354
but where, who knows?
819
00:44:37,434 --> 00:44:39,234
Look, I feel for the victims.
820
00:44:39,314 --> 00:44:41,634
Anyone who's had a gun
pointed in their face,
821
00:44:41,714 --> 00:44:44,554
he deserves to have been punished
for that.
822
00:44:44,634 --> 00:44:48,114
But having said that,
he's done his time.
823
00:44:48,194 --> 00:44:49,914
I have to say, I mean,
I've locked up murderers
824
00:44:49,994 --> 00:44:52,754
who've got one third of the sentence
that he's got.
825
00:44:57,194 --> 00:44:59,714
Go to the pub, have some pool,
have something to eat.
826
00:44:59,794 --> 00:45:01,914
Like, now it's getting close
I'm actually starting to think like,
827
00:45:01,994 --> 00:45:03,034
"Fuck, what can we do?"
828
00:45:04,674 --> 00:45:06,274
I'm sure he wouldn't mind
doing something like this.
829
00:45:06,354 --> 00:45:07,954
It's pretty relaxing too,
830
00:45:08,034 --> 00:45:09,234
you won't have to talk
to many people,
831
00:45:09,314 --> 00:45:10,714
you just sit there and play a game.
832
00:45:12,914 --> 00:45:15,434
Will probably go out of his way too
to make sure he can beat me.
833
00:45:16,954 --> 00:45:18,314
Just spending one day together
834
00:45:18,394 --> 00:45:21,994
will be like a whole year's worth
of phone calls and visits.
835
00:45:23,154 --> 00:45:24,314
He's getting older as well too,
836
00:45:24,394 --> 00:45:26,634
so, I don't know how much longer
I got with him.
837
00:45:26,714 --> 00:45:27,914
Like, Dad's been saying for years,
838
00:45:27,994 --> 00:45:29,114
he goes, "I'm old now"
and stuff too.
839
00:45:29,194 --> 00:45:30,514
He goes, like,
840
00:45:30,594 --> 00:45:33,034
"I don't have interest
in wanting to try and run away.
841
00:45:33,114 --> 00:45:34,114
"I don't want to rob banks."
842
00:45:34,194 --> 00:45:37,674
like he goes, "I've done all that,
look what it's cost me."
843
00:45:37,754 --> 00:45:38,994
He has no amount of money
844
00:45:39,074 --> 00:45:40,754
is worth the years
that he spent in jail
845
00:45:40,834 --> 00:45:42,154
when he could have been outside
with me
846
00:45:42,234 --> 00:45:43,954
having a-a legitimate life.
847
00:45:54,594 --> 00:45:55,554
When do I get out,
848
00:45:55,634 --> 00:45:57,714
the criminal activities'
done and dusted.
849
00:45:57,794 --> 00:45:58,874
Too old for that shit now.
850
00:46:04,194 --> 00:46:06,834
I want to spend a lot of time
with James.
851
00:46:06,914 --> 00:46:08,714
Hasn't been fair for him,
I must say.
852
00:46:10,154 --> 00:46:11,354
I wasn't going out in the run
853
00:46:11,434 --> 00:46:14,314
expecting to have a child,
have a son.
854
00:46:14,394 --> 00:46:15,634
I have no regrets about that.
855
00:46:18,114 --> 00:46:20,514
Go fishing, doing up
an old car or something
856
00:46:20,594 --> 00:46:23,754
and just basically have
my freedom back, really.
857
00:46:25,034 --> 00:46:26,274
That's not much I'm asking for.
858
00:46:27,434 --> 00:46:29,634
I mean, if I went down
a different path in life,
859
00:46:29,714 --> 00:46:32,074
who knows what I could have done
is what it is, you know.
860
00:46:34,834 --> 00:46:36,354
I can't change anything,
861
00:46:36,434 --> 00:46:38,834
I may as well, you know,
enjoy the ride.
862
00:46:58,154 --> 00:46:59,554
What's the first thing
you think you're going to do
863
00:46:59,634 --> 00:47:00,674
if you get released?
864
00:47:02,634 --> 00:47:04,434
Um, I might have to go to the bank.
865
00:47:04,514 --> 00:47:07,474
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866
00:47:20,194 --> 00:47:23,194
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