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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,074 --> 00:00:15,074 (CLOCK TICKS) 2 00:00:18,754 --> 00:00:20,674 (BREATHES HEAVILY) 3 00:00:20,754 --> 00:00:22,754 (TENSE MUSIC) 4 00:00:26,394 --> 00:00:28,394 (UP-TEMPO MUSIC) 5 00:00:30,274 --> 00:00:31,554 Get on the ground! 6 00:00:33,394 --> 00:00:34,394 (BELL RINGS) 7 00:00:34,474 --> 00:00:36,154 Australia's most wanted criminal, 8 00:00:36,234 --> 00:00:39,234 the notorious Postcard Bandit, Brenden Abbott. 9 00:00:40,514 --> 00:00:42,554 We don't want anyone dead today, do we? 10 00:00:42,634 --> 00:00:44,954 His robberies have the mark of genius. 11 00:00:45,034 --> 00:00:46,754 We've got a Ned Kelly running around. 12 00:00:46,834 --> 00:00:49,674 Taunting police with postcards and holiday snaps. 13 00:00:49,754 --> 00:00:50,874 Everybody likes to see 14 00:00:50,954 --> 00:00:52,474 the coppers outfoxed. 15 00:00:52,554 --> 00:00:53,794 Most crooks you deal with 16 00:00:53,874 --> 00:00:55,994 are as dumb as a box of hammers. 17 00:00:56,074 --> 00:00:57,634 Brenden was not stupid. 18 00:00:58,754 --> 00:00:59,954 Brenden was a larrikin, 19 00:01:00,034 --> 00:01:01,114 he was a cheeky bugger. 20 00:01:01,194 --> 00:01:02,914 A master of disguise. 21 00:01:02,994 --> 00:01:05,434 Abbott made a daring escape from a Perth jail. 22 00:01:05,514 --> 00:01:07,474 (SIREN WAILS) 23 00:01:07,554 --> 00:01:09,074 That was a pretty smart escape. 24 00:01:09,154 --> 00:01:10,114 Oh, it's genius. 25 00:01:10,194 --> 00:01:11,794 (SIREN WAILS) 26 00:01:11,874 --> 00:01:13,114 The hunt is continuing 27 00:01:13,194 --> 00:01:14,314 for two extremely 28 00:01:14,394 --> 00:01:15,474 dangerous prisoners. 29 00:01:15,554 --> 00:01:18,554 Hitting banks in Perth, South Australia, 30 00:01:18,634 --> 00:01:20,674 New South Wales and Queensland. 31 00:01:20,754 --> 00:01:21,834 I first met my dad 32 00:01:21,914 --> 00:01:23,274 when he was on the run. 33 00:01:23,354 --> 00:01:24,514 Police were watching the house. 34 00:01:24,594 --> 00:01:25,594 He'd take the risk 35 00:01:25,674 --> 00:01:26,674 of coming around, 36 00:01:26,754 --> 00:01:27,994 got some balls to be doing that. 37 00:01:28,074 --> 00:01:29,034 (DOG BARKS) 38 00:01:29,114 --> 00:01:30,674 If the police see him, they're gonna shoot him, 39 00:01:30,754 --> 00:01:32,194 and that was my greatest fear. 40 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:37,314 One of Australia's most wanted men has been arrested on the Gold Coast. 41 00:01:38,674 --> 00:01:40,874 The man no jail has been able to hold, 42 00:01:40,954 --> 00:01:42,834 finally, back in custody. 43 00:01:42,914 --> 00:01:45,234 Abbott is being held in strict security 44 00:01:45,314 --> 00:01:47,154 in solitary confinement. 45 00:01:49,394 --> 00:01:51,754 Brenden Abbott has done more solitary confinement 46 00:01:51,834 --> 00:01:54,394 than any prisoner in Australia ever. 47 00:01:54,474 --> 00:01:56,554 The nation's longest serving prisoner 48 00:01:56,634 --> 00:01:58,194 who hasn't committed murder. 49 00:01:59,354 --> 00:02:00,474 28 years. It's shit. 50 00:02:00,554 --> 00:02:02,554 I'm sick of playing these games. 51 00:02:02,634 --> 00:02:04,714 Five-hour flight for a 20-minute visit, 52 00:02:04,794 --> 00:02:08,314 but at the same time, it's all I've known. 53 00:02:08,394 --> 00:02:11,674 Australia's most notorious bank robber and prison escapee 54 00:02:11,754 --> 00:02:14,794 has begun a last ditch bid for freedom. 55 00:02:14,874 --> 00:02:15,834 Do you think it's fair 56 00:02:15,914 --> 00:02:17,274 that he's spent more than some murderers? 57 00:02:17,354 --> 00:02:18,314 It's been way too long. 58 00:02:18,394 --> 00:02:20,594 He knew what he was getting involved in. 59 00:02:20,674 --> 00:02:22,594 You do the crime, you serve the time. 60 00:02:26,154 --> 00:02:27,194 What's been going on? 61 00:02:27,274 --> 00:02:29,274 (THEME MUSIC) 62 00:03:04,314 --> 00:03:06,354 Australia's most notorious prison escapee 63 00:03:06,434 --> 00:03:08,794 is plotting a fresh bid for freedom. 64 00:03:08,874 --> 00:03:10,674 This time within the law. 65 00:03:10,754 --> 00:03:11,914 In a legal challenge, 66 00:03:11,994 --> 00:03:13,394 the now 63-year-old 67 00:03:13,474 --> 00:03:16,634 is seeking to have his sentence deemed unlawful. 68 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:22,154 My name's James Abbott... 69 00:03:23,234 --> 00:03:24,874 Son of Brenden Abbott, 70 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:27,394 'Postcard Bandit', as everyone refers to him. 71 00:03:31,794 --> 00:03:35,274 Dad's over in Casuarina Prison in Western Australia now, 72 00:03:35,354 --> 00:03:37,314 couldn't be any further away from Sydney if he tried. 73 00:03:37,394 --> 00:03:40,234 I try to get over there twice a year. 74 00:03:41,914 --> 00:03:44,234 He's been in jail for way too long, 75 00:03:44,314 --> 00:03:46,474 27, 28 years now straight. 76 00:03:48,754 --> 00:03:51,234 I've never known him out of prison basically. 77 00:03:53,194 --> 00:03:54,594 (PHONE RINGS) 78 00:03:55,834 --> 00:03:57,194 Oh, Dad's calling now. 79 00:03:58,554 --> 00:03:59,714 You're about to receive a phone call 80 00:03:59,794 --> 00:04:01,914 from a prisoner at the Casuarina prison. 81 00:04:01,994 --> 00:04:03,754 Your conversation will be recorded. 82 00:04:03,834 --> 00:04:05,794 If you do not wish to receive this call, 83 00:04:05,874 --> 00:04:07,114 please hang up now. 84 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:10,874 Go ahead, please. 85 00:04:10,954 --> 00:04:11,994 Hey. 86 00:04:13,274 --> 00:04:14,314 Good. What's happening? 87 00:04:18,794 --> 00:04:19,834 Turning up? For what? 88 00:04:21,394 --> 00:04:22,434 Is that today? 89 00:04:23,874 --> 00:04:25,234 (LAUGHTER) 90 00:04:26,834 --> 00:04:30,234 Yeah, nah, I'm pulling up shortly actually. 91 00:04:30,314 --> 00:04:34,154 My brother Brenden has well and truly served his time. 92 00:04:34,234 --> 00:04:35,914 Brenden needs to get out of jail 93 00:04:35,994 --> 00:04:38,034 and he needs to spend time with his own son. 94 00:04:39,674 --> 00:04:41,234 I kind of do beat myself up a bit now 95 00:04:41,314 --> 00:04:43,554 thinking like how many years I wasted 96 00:04:43,634 --> 00:04:44,754 not going to visit Dad. 97 00:04:46,634 --> 00:04:47,714 James is desperate 98 00:04:47,794 --> 00:04:50,794 to have some sort of a connection with his dad. 99 00:04:50,874 --> 00:04:53,074 The authorities need to let it go. 100 00:04:53,154 --> 00:04:58,354 It's been cruel, it's been inhumane, and it's been unnecessary. 101 00:05:00,114 --> 00:05:02,394 So, Dad's got a court case coming up. 102 00:05:02,474 --> 00:05:05,674 They've somehow managed to change his earliest parole date now 103 00:05:05,754 --> 00:05:08,994 from 2026 to 2028 or 2029. 104 00:05:09,074 --> 00:05:11,034 I don't see how they're allowed to just change 105 00:05:11,114 --> 00:05:14,474 someone's earliest parole date and add an extra three years to it. 106 00:05:19,074 --> 00:05:20,674 His lawyers, 107 00:05:20,754 --> 00:05:23,154 they're working on to say that he's been unlawfully detained. 108 00:05:24,954 --> 00:05:26,754 What we're hoping for is that 109 00:05:26,834 --> 00:05:29,434 he's to be basically released immediately. 110 00:05:39,754 --> 00:05:42,114 Brenden had been involved in, 111 00:05:42,194 --> 00:05:45,874 I guess you could call it a black-market ring, 112 00:05:45,954 --> 00:05:48,314 stealing electrical items 113 00:05:48,394 --> 00:05:51,474 they would steal from warehouses, load up trucks... 114 00:05:53,434 --> 00:05:56,754 And there's a lot of people who are happy to buy cheap goods. 115 00:05:58,314 --> 00:05:59,754 Price rises will be hefty. 116 00:05:59,834 --> 00:06:02,714 Electrical items and white goods are all set to rise. 117 00:06:02,794 --> 00:06:04,994 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 118 00:06:05,074 --> 00:06:08,194 Back in June, 1986, 119 00:06:08,274 --> 00:06:09,314 I was a brand-new 120 00:06:09,394 --> 00:06:10,674 probationary detective. 121 00:06:10,754 --> 00:06:12,834 I think it was my second day 122 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:14,674 and a series of raids had been planned 123 00:06:14,754 --> 00:06:19,154 with the break and enter squad targeting some individuals 124 00:06:19,234 --> 00:06:20,874 who were doing high-end burglary. 125 00:06:21,994 --> 00:06:25,114 The crooks were smashing open walls, 126 00:06:25,194 --> 00:06:27,314 getting inside and taking significant amounts 127 00:06:27,394 --> 00:06:28,994 of high-end electrical stuff. 128 00:06:33,554 --> 00:06:35,674 So, the warrants were executed on this morning 129 00:06:35,754 --> 00:06:37,874 and a number of people 130 00:06:37,954 --> 00:06:40,474 were brought back to Nollamara detective's office, 131 00:06:40,554 --> 00:06:43,434 which was an old house converted into an office. 132 00:06:48,554 --> 00:06:51,994 I saw Brenden Abbott when he came in. 133 00:06:52,074 --> 00:06:53,834 He just looked like 134 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:55,234 a normal run-of-the-mill person. 135 00:06:55,314 --> 00:06:57,874 Nothing odd about him 136 00:06:57,954 --> 00:07:00,114 or anything like that. 137 00:07:00,194 --> 00:07:03,434 A young detective, John, was watching him. 138 00:07:03,514 --> 00:07:07,434 My job that morning was look after Abbott 139 00:07:07,514 --> 00:07:08,794 while we interviewed the others. 140 00:07:10,234 --> 00:07:13,794 Abbott's in a back room, which was effectively a store room. 141 00:07:13,874 --> 00:07:15,594 There were no cells in this place. 142 00:07:17,954 --> 00:07:22,074 "Mate, would you like a cup of tea or a coffee while you're waiting?" 143 00:07:22,154 --> 00:07:23,794 And he said, "Yeah, I'd love one." 144 00:07:26,514 --> 00:07:28,554 Walked down the corridor into the kitchen... 145 00:07:36,674 --> 00:07:40,194 And as I'm making this cup of tea, there's this tremendous bang. 146 00:07:40,274 --> 00:07:41,554 (DOOR BANGS) (UPBEAT MUSIC) 147 00:07:41,634 --> 00:07:44,714 Brenden's out the back door and he was pretty quick. 148 00:07:44,794 --> 00:07:47,074 He was gone within a matter of seconds. 149 00:07:58,394 --> 00:08:00,514 Over fences and just disappeared 150 00:08:00,594 --> 00:08:02,394 into the back blocks of Nollamara. 151 00:08:03,514 --> 00:08:05,474 So, we did a search around the area 152 00:08:05,554 --> 00:08:08,074 and no sign of Brenden. 153 00:08:09,114 --> 00:08:11,314 So, effectively, that was his first escape. 154 00:08:11,394 --> 00:08:12,794 It wasn't a good start 155 00:08:12,874 --> 00:08:15,234 for a brand-new probationary detective, 156 00:08:15,314 --> 00:08:19,834 and it caused me a fair bit of grief from the more senior people there. 157 00:08:19,914 --> 00:08:21,754 We all felt a bit sorry for John. 158 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:25,794 He was only a very junior, young detective. 159 00:08:25,874 --> 00:08:26,914 Yeah. 160 00:08:28,314 --> 00:08:30,354 Abbott was then on the run, 161 00:08:30,434 --> 00:08:32,594 and that's when he started planning the Belmont job. 162 00:08:35,314 --> 00:08:36,954 Get on the ground! 163 00:08:37,034 --> 00:08:38,274 Brenden Abbott was obviously 164 00:08:38,354 --> 00:08:40,554 looking at what his career was gonna be 165 00:08:40,634 --> 00:08:42,394 and he decided he was going to be a career criminal. 166 00:08:42,474 --> 00:08:43,434 Could have been anything. 167 00:08:43,514 --> 00:08:45,634 I actually quite liked him. 168 00:08:45,714 --> 00:08:47,674 I probably shouldn't say that, 169 00:08:47,754 --> 00:08:50,274 but he was a likeable sort of character 170 00:08:50,354 --> 00:08:51,514 and very intelligent. 171 00:08:51,594 --> 00:08:54,714 Like any intelligent, you know, knockabout bloke, 172 00:08:54,794 --> 00:08:57,274 he decided that crime was gonna be 173 00:08:57,354 --> 00:09:01,154 the best way forward and the rewards were great. 174 00:09:10,994 --> 00:09:12,794 The Commonwealth Bank, Belmont, 175 00:09:12,874 --> 00:09:15,994 8:45, Friday morning, two men brandishing guns. 176 00:09:16,074 --> 00:09:19,474 They escaped with more than $100,000. 177 00:09:19,554 --> 00:09:21,234 These dramatic photos 178 00:09:21,314 --> 00:09:23,274 come from the bank's security camera 179 00:09:23,354 --> 00:09:25,314 as the robbers fled the scene. 180 00:09:25,394 --> 00:09:26,674 In WA, 181 00:09:26,754 --> 00:09:28,314 we were just beginning 182 00:09:28,394 --> 00:09:32,154 to experience growth in armed holdups. 183 00:09:32,234 --> 00:09:33,874 You could have two or three a week. 184 00:09:35,394 --> 00:09:39,154 Petrified bank employees were held at gunpoint by the men. 185 00:09:39,234 --> 00:09:42,834 One wielding a handgun, the other a shotgun. 186 00:09:42,914 --> 00:09:44,314 Yeah, I remember the Belmont 187 00:09:44,394 --> 00:09:45,674 robbery particularly 188 00:09:45,754 --> 00:09:47,474 because it happened to be 189 00:09:47,554 --> 00:09:49,394 my birthday that day. 190 00:09:49,474 --> 00:09:52,554 We got a call out to go out there. 191 00:09:52,634 --> 00:09:55,194 We soon discovered 192 00:09:55,274 --> 00:10:00,554 staff were pretty traumatised by the way it occurred. 193 00:10:00,634 --> 00:10:01,594 How does it feel 194 00:10:01,674 --> 00:10:02,954 when you had a gun pointed at your head? 195 00:10:03,034 --> 00:10:04,074 You stupid bitch. 196 00:10:04,154 --> 00:10:05,794 The Belmont robbery was the one 197 00:10:05,874 --> 00:10:09,994 that really brought him to everybody's notice. 198 00:10:10,074 --> 00:10:13,914 Brenden Abbott opened a new era to us as investigators 199 00:10:13,994 --> 00:10:16,714 of what crooks, bank robbers were going to do. 200 00:10:17,794 --> 00:10:19,554 This was a real smart, 201 00:10:19,634 --> 00:10:20,594 well-planned thing 202 00:10:20,674 --> 00:10:21,674 where they got into the roof 203 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:23,234 and they hid there in the roof... 204 00:10:27,034 --> 00:10:28,074 Until they realised 205 00:10:28,154 --> 00:10:29,874 or until they could see 206 00:10:29,954 --> 00:10:32,634 that the bank manager had opened the vault. 207 00:10:35,714 --> 00:10:36,754 Once it was open, 208 00:10:36,834 --> 00:10:38,394 then they dropped down through the roof. 209 00:10:39,394 --> 00:10:40,434 On the ground! 210 00:10:40,514 --> 00:10:43,034 Gave them an element of surprise. 211 00:10:43,114 --> 00:10:44,314 Everyone on the ground! 212 00:10:44,394 --> 00:10:47,514 The staff wouldn't have been suspecting anything 213 00:10:47,594 --> 00:10:49,834 until they came down through the roof. 214 00:10:49,914 --> 00:10:51,034 Stay there! 215 00:11:00,034 --> 00:11:01,954 I don't want any heroes pushing any buttons. 216 00:11:03,234 --> 00:11:07,314 As it turned out they had planned it quite well. 217 00:11:07,394 --> 00:11:10,074 We don't want anyone dead today, do we? 218 00:11:10,154 --> 00:11:11,394 Up, up... 219 00:11:12,754 --> 00:11:13,914 With me. 220 00:11:15,154 --> 00:11:16,594 They were going to get far more money 221 00:11:16,674 --> 00:11:19,674 if they could get into a bank and into the vault 222 00:11:19,754 --> 00:11:21,034 before the bank had opened 223 00:11:21,114 --> 00:11:22,794 than if they walked in the front door 224 00:11:22,874 --> 00:11:26,274 and did the usual style of stickup that you would normally do. 225 00:11:26,354 --> 00:11:28,314 Stay on the fucking ground! 226 00:11:29,394 --> 00:11:31,834 Hurry up, big night, stay down! 227 00:11:32,994 --> 00:11:35,634 Coming through the ceiling was something new. 228 00:11:36,754 --> 00:11:38,114 Stay down. Stay down. 229 00:11:38,194 --> 00:11:39,554 Let's go! Come on. Come on. Come on. 230 00:11:39,634 --> 00:11:41,714 I hadn't come across that before, 231 00:11:41,794 --> 00:11:42,754 and I don't think 232 00:11:42,834 --> 00:11:45,554 too many of my colleagues had at the time either. 233 00:11:53,514 --> 00:11:56,274 Most crooks you deal with, especially in that era... 234 00:11:58,074 --> 00:11:59,634 They was dumb as a box of hammers. 235 00:12:00,794 --> 00:12:03,834 Brenden was not stupid. 236 00:12:17,314 --> 00:12:18,754 That was a fucking disaster. 237 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:22,554 What happened? 238 00:12:22,634 --> 00:12:24,674 We get here, we get here half an hour early. 239 00:12:25,914 --> 00:12:27,274 The visit starts at 1:45. 240 00:12:27,354 --> 00:12:28,394 They delayed us, 241 00:12:28,474 --> 00:12:30,794 didn't get us out of here until up there until about 2:00. 242 00:12:31,834 --> 00:12:32,794 Then they call us up there. 243 00:12:32,874 --> 00:12:34,954 Then I go sit in the waiting booth waiting to see Dad. 244 00:12:35,034 --> 00:12:38,314 I sat there for probably 20 odd minutes waiting, 245 00:12:38,394 --> 00:12:41,194 and I ended up walking back out of the door saying, 246 00:12:41,274 --> 00:12:42,234 "What's going on?" 247 00:12:42,314 --> 00:12:44,434 And the guard asked me, he goes, "Are you ready to leave?" 248 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:46,354 I said, "He hasn't even fucking walked out yet." 249 00:12:46,434 --> 00:12:47,394 So, don't know what the deal is. 250 00:12:47,474 --> 00:12:49,234 So, sitting there, waiting, waiting, waiting, 251 00:12:49,314 --> 00:12:50,434 and then by the time he comes in, 252 00:12:50,514 --> 00:12:51,914 Dad comes in, 253 00:12:51,994 --> 00:12:53,154 he's losing his fucking mind. 254 00:12:53,234 --> 00:12:54,394 He goes, 255 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:55,714 "I've been sitting in that waiting room 256 00:12:55,794 --> 00:12:56,754 "for you to come." 257 00:12:56,834 --> 00:12:58,154 He's been sitting there waiting for me 258 00:12:58,234 --> 00:13:00,154 to come the last 15 to 20 minutes, 259 00:13:00,234 --> 00:13:01,274 but I've been sitting there waiting for him too. 260 00:13:01,354 --> 00:13:02,314 They haven't communicated. 261 00:13:02,394 --> 00:13:04,354 So, by the time Dad's come in for the visit, 262 00:13:04,434 --> 00:13:07,154 I got maybe 15, 20 minutes out of the whole hour. 263 00:13:09,314 --> 00:13:12,434 So, fly all the way from Sydney five-hour flight 264 00:13:12,514 --> 00:13:13,994 for a fucking 15 or 20-minute visit. 265 00:13:14,074 --> 00:13:16,034 Yeah, they do this all the fucking time. 266 00:13:16,114 --> 00:13:17,394 I don't understand what happens. 267 00:13:20,034 --> 00:13:22,154 So, Dad's in a bad mood. 268 00:13:22,234 --> 00:13:24,514 He is sick of this stuff happening all the time. 269 00:13:25,954 --> 00:13:26,954 What? 270 00:13:30,554 --> 00:13:31,834 Yeah. 271 00:13:34,474 --> 00:13:36,554 They've delayed us twice already. 272 00:13:36,634 --> 00:13:38,034 Then moved us to non-contact 273 00:13:38,114 --> 00:13:39,114 and then put us in a room 274 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:40,794 where they know the speaker doesn't work. 275 00:13:53,634 --> 00:13:55,514 The visits are getting cancelled, left, right and so on. 276 00:13:55,594 --> 00:13:56,634 So, it's like even for me now 277 00:13:56,714 --> 00:13:59,114 to book a visit to go see him in Perth, 278 00:13:59,194 --> 00:14:01,034 I'm sitting there just thinking, "Am I wasting money?" 279 00:14:01,114 --> 00:14:02,514 And gives you anxiety about driving there. 280 00:14:02,594 --> 00:14:03,554 Alright, no worries. 281 00:14:03,634 --> 00:14:05,234 I'll chat to you soon. 282 00:14:06,794 --> 00:14:08,514 No worries, mate. I'll chat to you soon. 283 00:14:08,594 --> 00:14:09,634 See you, bye. 284 00:14:11,514 --> 00:14:13,874 Doing your crimes, you get obviously jail time 285 00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:16,914 for doing the wrong thing, but it's been way too long. 286 00:14:16,994 --> 00:14:18,034 It's enough now. 287 00:14:20,114 --> 00:14:21,434 For you to be released out of prison, 288 00:14:21,514 --> 00:14:22,474 they have to say 289 00:14:22,554 --> 00:14:24,874 that you're no longer a threat to society. 290 00:14:25,914 --> 00:14:28,074 Recently, I've seen some murderer got out, 291 00:14:28,154 --> 00:14:29,234 has killed all these people. 292 00:14:29,314 --> 00:14:30,754 You see there's other people getting released 293 00:14:30,834 --> 00:14:32,074 for other stuff they've done... 294 00:14:33,794 --> 00:14:36,154 and they get less time than what Dad has, 295 00:14:36,234 --> 00:14:37,714 I don't understand how it works. 296 00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:38,834 No idea. 297 00:14:40,954 --> 00:14:42,954 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 298 00:14:46,954 --> 00:14:48,794 The Belmont robbery, 299 00:14:48,874 --> 00:14:50,754 that woke everybody up. 300 00:14:50,834 --> 00:14:52,354 To come through the ceiling... 301 00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:53,554 On the ground! 302 00:14:53,634 --> 00:14:56,154 ..and get away in such a brazen hold-up. 303 00:14:58,674 --> 00:14:59,794 We have a problem here. 304 00:15:03,034 --> 00:15:04,114 The hunt began. 305 00:15:06,114 --> 00:15:08,714 Police immediately launched a massive hunt for the robbers 306 00:15:08,794 --> 00:15:12,914 and their getaway car, a white Cordia Mitsubishi. 307 00:15:12,994 --> 00:15:16,434 This helicopter was also called in for a wide aerial search 308 00:15:16,514 --> 00:15:18,674 of the metropolitan area. 309 00:15:18,754 --> 00:15:19,874 Catch me if you can. 310 00:15:23,554 --> 00:15:26,394 Brenden Abbott had some type of relationship 311 00:15:26,474 --> 00:15:28,274 with Jackie Lord at the time. 312 00:15:29,754 --> 00:15:31,674 I was 15 when I first met Brenden, 313 00:15:31,754 --> 00:15:34,554 and I remember meeting him at a swimming pool. 314 00:15:36,594 --> 00:15:42,394 He seemed almost shy, but he was also mysterious. 315 00:15:42,474 --> 00:15:43,514 But I was quite normal 316 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:44,594 when I met Brenden, 317 00:15:44,674 --> 00:15:46,474 it wasn't like I was anything bad, 318 00:15:46,554 --> 00:15:49,634 I was working, I had in fact two jobs. 319 00:15:49,714 --> 00:15:53,794 I wasn't a thief as such, but I started to shoplift. 320 00:15:54,874 --> 00:15:56,634 I suppose it might've even been in competition 321 00:15:56,714 --> 00:15:57,994 with what Brenden was doing. 322 00:15:59,674 --> 00:16:02,114 We were soulmates, 323 00:16:02,194 --> 00:16:05,034 but I had to make some choices, 324 00:16:05,114 --> 00:16:07,434 otherwise I would've gone the wrong way as well. 325 00:16:07,514 --> 00:16:10,114 So, I decided that I'd have to cut it from there. 326 00:16:13,034 --> 00:16:14,994 They did have an off and on, 327 00:16:15,074 --> 00:16:17,394 an up and down relationship for many years... 328 00:16:18,794 --> 00:16:20,714 After the Belmont robbery. 329 00:16:20,794 --> 00:16:23,314 Jackie found out that Brenden had been seeing somebody else. 330 00:16:24,434 --> 00:16:26,954 She then contacted the police and said 331 00:16:27,034 --> 00:16:28,714 where they would be able to find Brenden. 332 00:16:28,794 --> 00:16:30,474 It was her tip-off 333 00:16:30,554 --> 00:16:32,834 that let the authorities know 334 00:16:32,914 --> 00:16:35,274 that Brenden Abbott was a part of that robbery 335 00:16:35,354 --> 00:16:37,794 and she did receive reward money. 336 00:16:37,874 --> 00:16:38,834 I was furious. 337 00:16:38,914 --> 00:16:41,034 How dare you do that to my brother? 338 00:16:41,114 --> 00:16:43,914 I was pretty annoyed with her for doing that. 339 00:16:43,994 --> 00:16:46,354 I mean, I know that he did the wrong thing, 340 00:16:46,434 --> 00:16:49,754 but it was all over jealousy as far as I was aware. 341 00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:52,754 So, he had seen another woman or something 342 00:16:52,834 --> 00:16:54,674 and Jackie had got jealous about that 343 00:16:54,754 --> 00:16:57,834 and so she reported it where Brenden was to the police. 344 00:16:57,914 --> 00:17:01,154 Jackie Lord pointed us towards Abbott. 345 00:17:01,234 --> 00:17:06,754 He was in Port Headland at the Walkabout Hotel. 346 00:17:06,834 --> 00:17:10,394 We let the local detectives know, 347 00:17:10,474 --> 00:17:12,314 they went out there, but he was gone. 348 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:18,834 His vehicle was seen pulling into the Port Headland airport. 349 00:17:18,914 --> 00:17:21,474 We knew Brenden Abbott was fairly cunning, 350 00:17:21,554 --> 00:17:23,754 we thought maybe he's coming back to Perth. 351 00:17:32,754 --> 00:17:33,994 We got to the airport, 352 00:17:34,074 --> 00:17:35,074 we made contact 353 00:17:35,154 --> 00:17:37,474 with the Ansett security officer out there. 354 00:17:38,594 --> 00:17:40,994 We told him what was going on 355 00:17:41,074 --> 00:17:44,954 and that we wanted to see if Abbott was on this plane. 356 00:17:46,714 --> 00:17:51,874 This is just a little mud map, that's Ansett flight 347. 357 00:17:53,034 --> 00:17:54,674 All the passengers got off. 358 00:17:54,754 --> 00:17:56,474 He was the last one off 359 00:17:57,754 --> 00:18:01,394 And immediately I recognised it was Brenden Abbott. 360 00:18:03,514 --> 00:18:05,034 He was looking around. 361 00:18:05,114 --> 00:18:07,594 He was well aware of his surroundings. 362 00:18:08,794 --> 00:18:12,274 He made his way down following the other passengers, 363 00:18:12,354 --> 00:18:16,834 but he kept on putting his hand inside his jacket, 364 00:18:16,914 --> 00:18:19,594 which made me think he probably was armed. 365 00:18:21,314 --> 00:18:25,274 He was starting to walk faster, so, I had to walk a lot faster, 366 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:28,034 and I was able to catch up with him. 367 00:18:28,114 --> 00:18:32,074 Some people started yelling, "Hey, he's got a gun." 368 00:18:32,154 --> 00:18:34,994 And so, then I knew that straight away 369 00:18:35,074 --> 00:18:37,434 had to make a move. 370 00:18:45,514 --> 00:18:46,874 We jumped on him. 371 00:18:46,954 --> 00:18:48,394 We had to use a bit of force. 372 00:18:50,954 --> 00:18:52,874 Oh, yeah, we weren't messing around at all. 373 00:18:52,954 --> 00:18:55,114 We had to do what we had to do very quickly... 374 00:18:56,474 --> 00:18:59,274 In typical Brenden Abbott style, 375 00:18:59,354 --> 00:19:02,034 and when he did see his face... 376 00:19:02,114 --> 00:19:06,794 He saw this graze on his eye and he made a comment. 377 00:19:06,874 --> 00:19:09,554 He said, "This is going to look good in court tomorrow, isn't it, boys?" 378 00:19:09,634 --> 00:19:10,914 (CHUCKLES) 379 00:19:10,994 --> 00:19:13,354 Abbott with a huge bruise on his face, 380 00:19:13,434 --> 00:19:14,714 members of his family weeping. 381 00:19:14,794 --> 00:19:19,754 I was very distressed about the mark on his face 382 00:19:19,834 --> 00:19:21,354 because it was very clear 383 00:19:21,434 --> 00:19:24,034 that they've shoved his face into the ground. 384 00:19:25,314 --> 00:19:29,034 I was angry with the police and how they did things. 385 00:19:30,554 --> 00:19:32,474 And he said, "Diane, they're just doing their job. 386 00:19:32,554 --> 00:19:33,674 "They've got a job 387 00:19:33,754 --> 00:19:36,034 "and their job is to catch a thief and I'm the thief." 388 00:19:36,114 --> 00:19:39,314 Brenden James Abbott, 25, of no fixed address 389 00:19:39,394 --> 00:19:43,034 faced a variety of serious charges in the East Perth court today. 390 00:19:43,114 --> 00:19:46,354 Abbott was jailed for 10 years with no minimum term. 391 00:19:46,434 --> 00:19:47,634 As Abbott left the court, 392 00:19:47,714 --> 00:19:50,514 he turned to Mr Justice Smith and said, "Thank you. 393 00:19:50,594 --> 00:19:52,474 "You're a real gentleman." 394 00:19:52,554 --> 00:19:55,434 I wasn't surprised by the sentence 395 00:19:55,514 --> 00:19:56,914 because I think 396 00:19:56,994 --> 00:20:01,754 bank robbery's up there with murder in sentence time. 397 00:20:13,674 --> 00:20:15,754 I think when somebody goes to jail... 398 00:20:17,194 --> 00:20:21,234 There's always that concern that they could be beaten up, 399 00:20:21,314 --> 00:20:23,834 raped, murdered. 400 00:20:29,074 --> 00:20:31,794 Fremantle prison's a very old prison 401 00:20:31,874 --> 00:20:34,994 and very archaic. 402 00:20:35,074 --> 00:20:37,874 So, when he went to jail, 403 00:20:37,954 --> 00:20:39,674 it is natural, I think, 404 00:20:39,754 --> 00:20:43,194 for any family member to be concerned 405 00:20:43,274 --> 00:20:46,234 about where do we go from here, you know? 406 00:20:58,234 --> 00:21:01,554 Australia's most notorious bank robber and prison escapee 407 00:21:01,634 --> 00:21:03,954 has begun a last ditch bid for freedom. 408 00:21:04,034 --> 00:21:05,674 The so-called Postcard Bandit, 409 00:21:05,754 --> 00:21:06,794 Brenden Abbott, 410 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:08,634 has spent three decades in jail. 411 00:21:08,714 --> 00:21:10,634 The nation's longer serving prisoner 412 00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:13,194 who hasn't committed murder. 413 00:21:13,274 --> 00:21:15,074 His lawyer, Matthew Crowley, claims 414 00:21:15,154 --> 00:21:18,674 he was essentially no longer liable to serve any more time. 415 00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:25,314 First thing I'll do with Dad, probably go out and have dinner, 416 00:21:25,394 --> 00:21:26,474 I probably won't want to sleep. 417 00:21:26,554 --> 00:21:28,234 I'll just want to stay up and keep talking. 418 00:21:31,034 --> 00:21:33,194 I hope he gets out really, really soon. 419 00:21:37,914 --> 00:21:39,234 And I'm getting older as well too. 420 00:21:39,314 --> 00:21:41,674 So, you know, be good to have him around a little bit. 421 00:21:44,754 --> 00:21:45,754 Yeah, I can see you. 422 00:21:45,834 --> 00:21:47,354 I've never got to speak to Dad 423 00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:49,434 or see Dad 424 00:21:49,514 --> 00:21:50,914 without someone else listening 425 00:21:50,994 --> 00:21:53,354 or someone else being present. 426 00:21:53,434 --> 00:21:55,354 It's always monitored all the time. 427 00:21:55,434 --> 00:21:56,754 My camera's off, that's why. 428 00:22:01,994 --> 00:22:03,394 Oh, yeah? Tell me about 'em. 429 00:22:03,474 --> 00:22:05,074 Let's go. 430 00:22:07,754 --> 00:22:08,754 Yeah, yeah. 431 00:22:23,874 --> 00:22:25,994 What's your feeling with the court case though? 432 00:22:26,074 --> 00:22:27,714 You feel like it's going to... 433 00:22:27,794 --> 00:22:28,754 What do you think? 434 00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:30,034 What are you leaning towards? 435 00:22:55,354 --> 00:22:57,034 It doesn't make any fucking sense. 436 00:22:57,114 --> 00:22:59,474 Sometimes if he makes a remark 437 00:22:59,554 --> 00:23:00,594 or says a certain thing, 438 00:23:00,674 --> 00:23:01,954 they'll just shut the call down. 439 00:23:02,834 --> 00:23:05,874 I've never known him to be out, so it's normal to me. 440 00:23:05,954 --> 00:23:08,154 So, when he gets out, that's going to be really strange. 441 00:23:12,154 --> 00:23:13,114 When I go visit Dad, 442 00:23:13,194 --> 00:23:15,674 it's just like hanging out with a friend, 443 00:23:15,754 --> 00:23:17,674 just chilling out, have a conversation, 444 00:23:17,754 --> 00:23:18,874 just have a bit of a laugh. 445 00:23:20,754 --> 00:23:23,234 The more I've gotten to get to know him now and talk to him 446 00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:25,274 and we can have mature conversations now, 447 00:23:26,914 --> 00:23:29,394 realise how similar we are. 448 00:23:29,474 --> 00:23:30,434 Kind of scary though, 449 00:23:30,514 --> 00:23:31,674 considering he's never been around 450 00:23:31,754 --> 00:23:33,954 and how much me and him are very alike. 451 00:23:43,234 --> 00:23:44,794 G'day, g'day, g'day. 452 00:23:44,874 --> 00:23:47,234 How you feeling about getting this tattoo? 453 00:23:47,314 --> 00:23:48,274 Oh, yeah. 454 00:23:48,354 --> 00:23:49,554 I can't wait to show Dad later. 455 00:23:49,634 --> 00:23:51,514 I think the postcard outline is going to be, 456 00:23:51,594 --> 00:23:53,754 the poster stamp's going to be the funny thing for him. 457 00:23:55,154 --> 00:23:56,794 It's like a little bank robber with a money bag 458 00:23:56,874 --> 00:23:59,514 and put a pair of aviator sunglasses on as well 459 00:23:59,594 --> 00:24:01,234 just to give it the look of Dad 460 00:24:01,314 --> 00:24:04,234 and then look at the postcard stamp outline around it. 461 00:24:04,314 --> 00:24:05,514 What do you think he's going to think 462 00:24:05,594 --> 00:24:06,554 when he sees that? 463 00:24:06,634 --> 00:24:08,034 He's going to think I'm a fucking idiot. 464 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,754 (LAUGHTER) But that's what it's about. 465 00:24:09,834 --> 00:24:10,874 He'll love it. 466 00:24:12,074 --> 00:24:13,314 As Mum always says to me, she goes, 467 00:24:13,394 --> 00:24:14,914 she goes, "Even though Dad hasn't been around," 468 00:24:14,994 --> 00:24:16,954 she goes, "you and him are exactly the same as each other." 469 00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:17,994 They walk the same too. 470 00:24:18,074 --> 00:24:19,834 They walk the same, smart-ass attitude. 471 00:24:19,914 --> 00:24:21,154 What do you mean they walk the same? 472 00:24:21,234 --> 00:24:22,514 They walk like on their tippy toes. 473 00:24:22,594 --> 00:24:23,994 (LAUGHTER) 474 00:24:24,074 --> 00:24:25,794 Expose me. 475 00:24:25,874 --> 00:24:27,994 Feel like you're going to do a lot of cooking as well. 476 00:24:29,154 --> 00:24:30,274 Dad likes to cook, so do I. 477 00:24:30,354 --> 00:24:32,714 So, I think it might be something we'll do together as well. 478 00:24:36,594 --> 00:24:38,954 What else does he like to do? 479 00:24:39,034 --> 00:24:40,074 Rob banks. 480 00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:42,554 (LAUGHS) 481 00:24:43,794 --> 00:24:44,874 (PHONE RINGS) 482 00:24:46,074 --> 00:24:47,274 It's Dad calling now actually. 483 00:24:50,514 --> 00:24:52,754 You are about to receive a phone call from a prisoner 484 00:24:52,834 --> 00:24:54,354 at the Casuarina prison. 485 00:24:54,434 --> 00:24:56,234 Your conversation will be recorded. 486 00:24:56,314 --> 00:24:58,194 If you do not wish to receive this call, 487 00:24:58,274 --> 00:24:59,474 please hang up now. 488 00:25:02,114 --> 00:25:03,074 Go ahead please. 489 00:25:03,154 --> 00:25:04,154 Hey, mate. 490 00:25:05,194 --> 00:25:06,194 Good. What's happening? 491 00:25:07,154 --> 00:25:10,554 Any updates on the lawyers or anything for this court thing? 492 00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:14,554 Yeah. 493 00:25:23,994 --> 00:25:24,994 Yep. 494 00:25:34,714 --> 00:25:37,514 Yeah, that's why I don't understand it, all good. 495 00:25:37,594 --> 00:25:39,354 I'll chat to you in a couple of hours. 496 00:25:41,034 --> 00:25:43,114 No worries. I'll speak to ya then. See you mate. Bye. 497 00:25:43,194 --> 00:25:44,154 10-minute calls. 498 00:25:44,234 --> 00:25:46,554 Whenever he rings, before you know it, the call's over. 499 00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:52,074 Brenden Abbott's problem is that the offences he committed, 500 00:25:52,154 --> 00:25:54,434 regardless of the fact he didn't shoot anybody, 501 00:25:54,514 --> 00:25:56,594 they were very violent offences. 502 00:25:56,674 --> 00:25:58,034 That's the top of the scale. 503 00:25:58,114 --> 00:26:00,114 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 504 00:26:09,314 --> 00:26:10,754 My first memories of Brenden Abbott 505 00:26:10,834 --> 00:26:13,554 was at that time I was on the armed robbery squad. 506 00:26:13,634 --> 00:26:15,794 He'd escaped from a suburban police station 507 00:26:17,674 --> 00:26:20,154 and he was suspected of doing a number of armed robberies, 508 00:26:20,234 --> 00:26:22,674 particularly one in Belmont where he came in through the roof. 509 00:26:24,194 --> 00:26:25,154 On the ground! 510 00:26:25,234 --> 00:26:28,354 He was charged at that stage with the robbery at Belmont 511 00:26:28,434 --> 00:26:29,394 to walk into a bank 512 00:26:29,474 --> 00:26:31,194 and shove a loaded shotgun 513 00:26:31,274 --> 00:26:33,754 into somebody's face and say, 514 00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:35,354 "Give me your money or you're going to die," 515 00:26:35,434 --> 00:26:37,874 he was going to be in jail for a long, long time. 516 00:26:42,874 --> 00:26:44,634 Anyone who's been to Fremantle Prison, 517 00:26:44,714 --> 00:26:47,994 now, when you go and see it as a historical thing, 518 00:26:48,074 --> 00:26:49,274 the conditions in there 519 00:26:49,354 --> 00:26:50,354 were terrible. 520 00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:51,714 Absolutely terrible, 521 00:26:51,794 --> 00:26:52,874 locked up like that. 522 00:27:15,674 --> 00:27:16,914 But let's not be too soft on them, 523 00:27:16,994 --> 00:27:19,154 there's some pretty terrible criminals in there. 524 00:27:19,234 --> 00:27:22,794 People have murdered and raped and done some terrible things. 525 00:27:22,874 --> 00:27:24,554 So, do we have any sympathy? 526 00:27:24,634 --> 00:27:28,474 No, but the reality is that 527 00:27:28,554 --> 00:27:30,114 you put people in those conditions, 528 00:27:30,194 --> 00:27:34,474 you're going to have to deal with things like riots and escapes. 529 00:27:38,034 --> 00:27:39,154 The full-scale riot 530 00:27:39,234 --> 00:27:41,554 has broken out tonight at Fremantle jail 531 00:27:41,634 --> 00:27:44,154 and the century-old prison is on fire. 532 00:27:44,234 --> 00:27:47,154 There are reports that the rioters have taken some hostages. 533 00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:49,434 (SIREN WAILS) 534 00:27:49,514 --> 00:27:51,634 Two of the prison guards had had an altercation 535 00:27:51,714 --> 00:27:53,154 with one of the prisoners. 536 00:27:54,234 --> 00:27:57,034 The allegation was that they bashed this particular prisoner 537 00:27:57,114 --> 00:27:59,354 and that went around the prison like wildfire. 538 00:27:59,434 --> 00:28:02,234 (HELICOPTER WHIRS) 539 00:28:02,314 --> 00:28:04,674 There was a whole group of prisoners that resisted 540 00:28:04,754 --> 00:28:07,154 and then attacked the prison guard. 541 00:28:07,234 --> 00:28:09,794 135 inmates took control of a cell block 542 00:28:09,874 --> 00:28:12,474 and held five prison officers hostage. 543 00:28:12,554 --> 00:28:14,074 Locals and former inmate 544 00:28:14,154 --> 00:28:16,594 blame inhumane conditions in the jail 545 00:28:16,674 --> 00:28:18,434 and today's heat for the riot. 546 00:28:28,154 --> 00:28:30,834 You know, any opportunity to get rid of those conditions, 547 00:28:30,914 --> 00:28:33,634 either by burning it down, they're going to take. 548 00:28:41,034 --> 00:28:43,514 When the prison riot occurred, 549 00:28:43,594 --> 00:28:45,674 I was one of the senior negotiators 550 00:28:45,754 --> 00:28:47,394 in the police department at that time. 551 00:28:53,194 --> 00:28:55,594 When I first got here, this place was all on fire. 552 00:28:55,674 --> 00:28:57,074 We couldn't come out through there. 553 00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:02,594 We walked around onto the hill and looked down into the yard. 554 00:29:05,194 --> 00:29:06,714 It was just absolute pandemonium. 555 00:29:06,794 --> 00:29:10,474 There were five wardens that had been taken hostages. 556 00:29:10,554 --> 00:29:12,154 One of them was fairly badly injured. 557 00:29:14,194 --> 00:29:16,834 Abbott was one of the first ones to get up on the roof over here, 558 00:29:16,914 --> 00:29:18,514 the roof of the exercise yard. 559 00:29:21,234 --> 00:29:23,634 Mainly they were acting as lookouts. 560 00:29:23,714 --> 00:29:25,434 He was also one of the ones with the group 561 00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:28,514 that was surrounding the hostages. 562 00:29:28,594 --> 00:29:31,754 I then start to negotiate with him to see what it was they wanted. 563 00:29:31,834 --> 00:29:33,834 The prison superintendent said to me, 564 00:29:33,914 --> 00:29:35,594 "Don't tell 'em you're a copper." 565 00:29:35,674 --> 00:29:37,914 And I said, "You've got to be joking. 566 00:29:37,994 --> 00:29:39,834 "I said, I've put half the bastards in here." 567 00:29:41,354 --> 00:29:42,474 We negotiated 568 00:29:42,554 --> 00:29:45,914 that we would exchange cartons of cigarettes 569 00:29:45,994 --> 00:29:47,674 and then they said they wanted something to eat. 570 00:29:47,754 --> 00:29:48,714 Well, they brought in 571 00:29:48,794 --> 00:29:51,234 these big plastic dust bins full of beans 572 00:29:51,314 --> 00:29:53,714 and a big plastic dust bin full of toast. 573 00:29:53,794 --> 00:29:56,234 So, then for about the next 20 minutes, 574 00:29:56,314 --> 00:29:57,834 it was pretty silent in the yard 575 00:29:57,914 --> 00:29:59,554 because they all had their beans on toast. 576 00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:04,554 Brenden was one of the rioters. 577 00:30:04,634 --> 00:30:06,834 He'd argue against that, 578 00:30:06,914 --> 00:30:08,514 but it was well known he was one of them. 579 00:30:10,594 --> 00:30:12,914 He was quite clearly part of that core group. 580 00:30:14,874 --> 00:30:17,874 He was always looking for an opportunity. 581 00:30:17,954 --> 00:30:21,434 I've no doubt, when he was climbing on the roof of the exercise yard, 582 00:30:21,514 --> 00:30:23,754 he was in a position to actually see 583 00:30:23,834 --> 00:30:26,514 what the perimeters were around the prison. 584 00:30:27,794 --> 00:30:32,474 Brenden Abbott would've been looking for opportunities to get out. 585 00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:34,194 I think his planning would've started 586 00:30:34,274 --> 00:30:37,314 the day that they locked him up back here after the riot finished. 587 00:30:46,954 --> 00:30:48,394 Well, the aftermath of the riot 588 00:30:48,474 --> 00:30:50,554 was all of the main protagonists 589 00:30:50,634 --> 00:30:52,394 were all interviewed by the police, 590 00:30:52,474 --> 00:30:54,874 and it turned into a massive trial. 591 00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:59,074 The trial itself went on for months and months. 592 00:30:59,154 --> 00:31:01,634 I sat around the Supreme Court for weeks waiting to give evidence, 593 00:31:01,714 --> 00:31:03,594 and every morning, 594 00:31:03,674 --> 00:31:05,634 Brenden Abbott and all the rest of them 595 00:31:05,714 --> 00:31:06,794 would be brought in... 596 00:31:09,154 --> 00:31:12,074 And of course the photographic evidence 597 00:31:12,154 --> 00:31:13,874 and all of the exhibits would be handed 598 00:31:13,954 --> 00:31:15,794 to the various prisoners to look at and everything. 599 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:18,194 They had aerial photographs of the prison 600 00:31:18,274 --> 00:31:20,394 and it was almost like having a Google map. 601 00:31:43,874 --> 00:31:45,314 Brenden Abbott was ultimately charged 602 00:31:45,394 --> 00:31:46,914 and convicted of those offences. 603 00:31:49,594 --> 00:31:51,114 When Brenden got charged for the riot 604 00:31:51,194 --> 00:31:52,194 and they added the sentence 605 00:31:52,274 --> 00:31:54,394 on top of what he was already serving, 606 00:31:54,474 --> 00:31:56,554 I was really surprised by that. 607 00:31:57,754 --> 00:32:00,594 He was going to be in jail for a long, long time, 608 00:32:00,674 --> 00:32:02,914 which I think led to his subsequent escape 609 00:32:02,994 --> 00:32:04,554 later on down the track. 610 00:32:04,634 --> 00:32:07,154 'Cause it was very meticulous in what he did. 611 00:32:07,234 --> 00:32:09,394 Given Brenden's cognitive ability, 612 00:32:09,474 --> 00:32:12,434 he's mentally switched on. 613 00:32:12,514 --> 00:32:14,794 I think if the system had have picked that up earlier, 614 00:32:14,874 --> 00:32:17,234 they could have changed his direction dramatically. 615 00:32:25,714 --> 00:32:27,994 My first memory growing up... 616 00:32:31,274 --> 00:32:34,394 Brenden was obsessed with knowing how things worked. 617 00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:36,474 (MACHINES WHIRS) 618 00:32:42,394 --> 00:32:43,674 Brenden never had any problems 619 00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:45,514 with his schooling or anything, 620 00:32:45,594 --> 00:32:47,114 and he was always a smart one. 621 00:32:49,234 --> 00:32:51,354 He'd take things to pieces to see how they worked 622 00:32:51,434 --> 00:32:53,434 and put 'em back together. 623 00:32:53,514 --> 00:32:55,594 I don't know how old he was when I said to him one day, 624 00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:57,434 I said, "When you start going out with a female," 625 00:32:57,514 --> 00:32:59,034 I said, "are you going to take her to pieces 626 00:32:59,114 --> 00:33:00,714 "and try and put her back together?" 627 00:33:00,794 --> 00:33:02,514 And he said, "Mum," 628 00:33:02,594 --> 00:33:03,594 and I said, "No." 629 00:33:03,674 --> 00:33:05,034 I said, "Well," 630 00:33:05,114 --> 00:33:07,434 but there was nothing that he couldn't take apart. 631 00:33:08,594 --> 00:33:09,874 I remember when Brenden was 13, 632 00:33:09,954 --> 00:33:12,474 my mum bought us a boombox back then. 633 00:33:14,234 --> 00:33:16,554 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 634 00:33:16,634 --> 00:33:18,074 And that night... 635 00:33:22,954 --> 00:33:24,034 My mum walked in the bedroom 636 00:33:24,114 --> 00:33:26,234 and he had the whole thing pulled apart on the bed... 637 00:33:27,354 --> 00:33:28,674 And put it back together again... 638 00:33:29,794 --> 00:33:30,754 And it worked. 639 00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:32,794 But that he enjoyed doing that stuff. 640 00:33:34,154 --> 00:33:37,114 So, he's always had a very inquisitive mind 641 00:33:37,194 --> 00:33:39,234 when it comes to the operations of things. 642 00:33:42,074 --> 00:33:45,074 (UP-TEMPO MUSIC) 643 00:33:58,794 --> 00:33:59,834 Hey, how are ya? 644 00:34:02,034 --> 00:34:03,034 Good. Good. 645 00:34:05,754 --> 00:34:07,914 Oh, do you want to see it now or you want to? 646 00:34:07,994 --> 00:34:09,194 I'll give you a quick little look. 647 00:34:09,274 --> 00:34:10,754 Fuck it. Whatever. It's right in the ankle. 648 00:34:10,834 --> 00:34:12,594 You'll have a bit of a laugh out of this one. 649 00:34:14,434 --> 00:34:15,914 Hold on, I've got to drop the camera down. 650 00:34:15,994 --> 00:34:17,034 One second. 651 00:34:26,714 --> 00:34:28,794 So, Sammy's sister changed it to a bank robber. 652 00:34:28,874 --> 00:34:30,594 Just put the little postcards, 653 00:34:30,674 --> 00:34:33,474 little postcards sticker around the side too. 654 00:34:33,554 --> 00:34:34,994 And then it's got your aviator sunglasses, 655 00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:37,074 and a little moustache that you had. 656 00:34:37,154 --> 00:34:38,834 (LAUGHS) 657 00:34:39,954 --> 00:34:41,434 Sammy. 658 00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:43,194 Come say hello. 659 00:34:50,674 --> 00:34:52,194 Hello, how are you? 660 00:34:54,314 --> 00:34:56,194 May is the one that did the tattoo for me today. 661 00:34:57,754 --> 00:34:58,914 Yeah. 662 00:34:58,994 --> 00:35:00,834 I had to look at photo references of you 663 00:35:00,914 --> 00:35:02,354 to get some inspiration. 664 00:35:06,274 --> 00:35:07,474 I like your hair... 665 00:35:12,034 --> 00:35:13,554 Show us the side, show us the back. 666 00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:17,994 That's my head for sure. 667 00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:19,834 Yeah, I was just thinking that. 668 00:35:19,914 --> 00:35:21,394 (LAUGHTER) 669 00:35:24,434 --> 00:35:25,634 No, I don't think so. 670 00:35:27,194 --> 00:35:29,634 They cut it out. Aw. 671 00:35:29,714 --> 00:35:31,234 That sucks. Can't even say bye. 672 00:35:31,314 --> 00:35:33,114 No, they cut it out 'cause they came on the camera, 673 00:35:33,194 --> 00:35:35,154 I think that's probably why. 674 00:35:35,234 --> 00:35:36,834 That sucks. 675 00:35:36,914 --> 00:35:39,514 It's my partner talking to her on the camera 676 00:35:39,594 --> 00:35:42,434 and it's not harming, harming anyone at all. 677 00:35:42,514 --> 00:35:44,234 It makes me angry when stuff like this happens 678 00:35:44,314 --> 00:35:47,994 actually frustrates me and it plays in my mind for ages. 679 00:35:48,074 --> 00:35:49,954 It just sucks having a family member, 680 00:35:50,034 --> 00:35:51,394 someone you care about... 681 00:35:52,714 --> 00:35:54,874 someone else's telling you what you can and can't do with them. 682 00:35:54,954 --> 00:35:56,034 28 years, it's shit. 683 00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:59,234 I'm sick of playing these games, but at the same time, 684 00:35:59,314 --> 00:36:00,354 it's all I've known... 685 00:36:02,114 --> 00:36:03,714 that I'm just like, it gets a bit frustrating. 686 00:36:03,794 --> 00:36:04,834 But it is, what it is. 687 00:36:15,354 --> 00:36:17,154 In Fremantle prison, 688 00:36:17,234 --> 00:36:20,794 Brenden had got himself working in the prison tailor shop. 689 00:36:28,354 --> 00:36:29,914 He knew a number of things. 690 00:36:29,994 --> 00:36:32,674 That there was an area across the roof 691 00:36:32,754 --> 00:36:34,474 that was very vulnerable, 692 00:36:34,554 --> 00:36:36,194 so, anything he could do 693 00:36:36,274 --> 00:36:39,194 to lessen the reaction from the guards 694 00:36:39,274 --> 00:36:42,234 to make them unsure of who they were dealing with. 695 00:36:42,314 --> 00:36:45,794 Working in the tailor shop gave him access to making uniforms. 696 00:36:45,874 --> 00:36:47,234 So, he obviously came up with the idea, 697 00:36:47,314 --> 00:36:48,354 let's make some uniforms 698 00:36:48,434 --> 00:36:51,514 that appear like prison guards 699 00:36:51,594 --> 00:36:52,554 that will give them 700 00:36:52,634 --> 00:36:54,274 a moment of hesitation for the guards 701 00:36:54,354 --> 00:36:56,834 to get across the roof and get to the wall. 702 00:36:56,914 --> 00:36:59,354 If they had gone across there in their prison greens, 703 00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:00,514 they would've been shot. 704 00:37:02,514 --> 00:37:05,194 The tailor shop normally had a prison guard, 705 00:37:05,274 --> 00:37:06,314 he was the tailor. 706 00:37:49,194 --> 00:37:50,634 To make their escape, 707 00:37:50,714 --> 00:37:52,994 they had to distract the overseer, 708 00:37:53,074 --> 00:37:54,754 the tailor who was in charge of them. 709 00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:30,834 You're in a room full of sewing machines, 710 00:38:30,914 --> 00:38:32,594 making a lot of noise. 711 00:38:32,674 --> 00:38:35,114 That covered the sound of cutting through the bars. 712 00:38:35,194 --> 00:38:37,274 And so, they had free run while that was happening. 713 00:38:44,074 --> 00:38:46,074 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 714 00:38:56,954 --> 00:38:58,354 Come on, hurry up. 715 00:39:01,434 --> 00:39:02,674 Get moving, come on. 716 00:39:08,034 --> 00:39:09,194 The guards hesitated, 717 00:39:09,274 --> 00:39:11,554 gave them enough time to scramble across 718 00:39:11,634 --> 00:39:13,234 and over the wall. 719 00:39:18,074 --> 00:39:19,954 And somehow Brenden was able to retain 720 00:39:20,034 --> 00:39:21,314 some of the civilian clothes 721 00:39:21,394 --> 00:39:24,634 and they aided him in his ultimate escape. 722 00:39:27,914 --> 00:39:30,234 They left one behind who fell down the gap... 723 00:39:31,954 --> 00:39:33,154 But two got away. 724 00:39:35,954 --> 00:39:37,154 Abbott and Reynolds. 725 00:39:39,954 --> 00:39:42,434 And headed off to 5.5 years of freedom. 726 00:39:43,874 --> 00:39:45,474 That was a pretty smart escape. 727 00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:47,914 It was one of the more, 728 00:39:47,994 --> 00:39:49,874 I suppose, celebrated escapes, 729 00:39:49,954 --> 00:39:52,434 if you could say that, from Fremantle Prison. 730 00:39:52,514 --> 00:39:54,714 James Abbott and Aaron Raymond Reynolds 731 00:39:54,794 --> 00:39:56,194 sneak out of a workshop, 732 00:39:56,274 --> 00:40:00,194 climb onto a roof, and leap 3m to freedom. 733 00:40:00,274 --> 00:40:02,074 When Brenden broke out of Fremantle prison, 734 00:40:02,154 --> 00:40:04,994 my first thought 735 00:40:05,074 --> 00:40:08,874 was the police will kill him. 736 00:40:08,954 --> 00:40:10,674 If the police see him, they're gonna shoot him. 737 00:40:10,754 --> 00:40:12,114 And that was my greatest fear. 738 00:40:12,194 --> 00:40:14,874 My greatest fear was that somebody was gonna kill him. 739 00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:16,714 If someone escapes from custody, 740 00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:19,234 whether it be a prison or from a police station, 741 00:40:19,314 --> 00:40:23,194 there's a lot of effort put into it to recover that person. 742 00:40:23,274 --> 00:40:25,674 So, if someone like Abbott was on the run, 743 00:40:25,754 --> 00:40:29,594 then they'd be all stops pulled out to try and recover. 744 00:40:29,674 --> 00:40:33,114 Abbott, if he's confronted at a scene of a robbery, 745 00:40:33,194 --> 00:40:34,554 then he will shoot it out. 746 00:40:34,634 --> 00:40:37,194 The guns are loaded and he's prepared to use them. 747 00:40:37,274 --> 00:40:38,914 They would say 748 00:40:38,994 --> 00:40:42,874 he's highly dangerous and would shoot if confronted, 749 00:40:42,954 --> 00:40:44,154 so, don't confront him. 750 00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:47,194 And that used to really cause me a lot of grief 751 00:40:47,274 --> 00:40:48,474 because I actually thought 752 00:40:48,554 --> 00:40:50,114 that the police were just saying that 753 00:40:50,194 --> 00:40:52,114 maybe they were telling the media that 754 00:40:52,194 --> 00:40:53,874 because that would justify them shooting him 755 00:40:53,954 --> 00:40:55,034 when they caught him. 756 00:40:58,354 --> 00:40:59,394 Eventually, 757 00:40:59,474 --> 00:41:03,274 and even if it takes us two months or two years, 758 00:41:03,354 --> 00:41:04,594 he'll definitely come unstuck. 759 00:41:12,714 --> 00:41:13,794 (DOOR KNOCKS) 760 00:41:17,314 --> 00:41:18,474 Good morning. How are you? 761 00:41:18,554 --> 00:41:19,994 Good, how are you? Good, thanks. 762 00:41:20,074 --> 00:41:21,354 Can I come in? Yes, Come in. 763 00:41:28,714 --> 00:41:29,954 Morning. Morning. 764 00:41:31,034 --> 00:41:32,914 How are we? Yeah. Good, good. 765 00:41:32,994 --> 00:41:34,154 How are you feeling? 766 00:41:34,234 --> 00:41:35,194 Feeling alright. 767 00:41:35,274 --> 00:41:36,474 Yeah. Pretty nervous. 768 00:41:36,554 --> 00:41:38,194 What time did you guys get in last night? 769 00:41:38,274 --> 00:41:41,954 Pretty late. I think we flew in... Flight was delayed. 770 00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:44,874 Flew in about 11:15, 12:00 I think it was. 771 00:41:44,954 --> 00:41:46,794 Got to the hotel, 772 00:41:46,874 --> 00:41:50,554 parked the car, came upstairs, showered, straight to sleep. 773 00:41:50,634 --> 00:41:51,874 Had about... 774 00:41:51,954 --> 00:41:53,114 Probably had about four hours sleep. 775 00:41:53,194 --> 00:41:54,194 But yeah. 776 00:41:54,274 --> 00:41:55,634 How are you feeling, Sammy? 777 00:41:55,714 --> 00:41:57,434 Um, excited. 778 00:41:57,514 --> 00:42:00,594 Excited for James and excited for him to get out. 779 00:42:03,194 --> 00:42:04,874 I had a call with Dad this morning beforehand, 780 00:42:04,954 --> 00:42:07,914 so, he just gave me a slight rundown of everything that's gone on. 781 00:42:07,994 --> 00:42:09,914 So, he spoke with the lawyers yesterday. 782 00:42:09,994 --> 00:42:11,394 They said that if they get up 783 00:42:11,474 --> 00:42:13,954 on one of the main matters they're going for, 784 00:42:14,034 --> 00:42:15,394 that'll be everything. 785 00:42:15,474 --> 00:42:16,634 That'll be end of it, Dad will walk. 786 00:42:16,714 --> 00:42:19,474 If not, then I have to appeal things and go further. 787 00:42:19,554 --> 00:42:21,754 So, at the moment, it's set for two days, 788 00:42:21,834 --> 00:42:22,834 potentially could go for three. 789 00:42:22,914 --> 00:42:24,674 Ready? 790 00:42:24,754 --> 00:42:26,114 Yep. Alright, let's go. 791 00:42:26,194 --> 00:42:27,234 Let's go? Yep. 792 00:42:30,794 --> 00:42:31,834 A bit nervous today. 793 00:42:32,994 --> 00:42:34,074 The anxiety's up there. 794 00:42:44,274 --> 00:42:45,274 He's a cheeky bugger, 795 00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:47,514 sending postcards to the coppers. 796 00:42:47,594 --> 00:42:49,074 Thumbing his nose at the police. 797 00:42:49,154 --> 00:42:50,714 But he wasn't. 798 00:42:51,834 --> 00:42:54,634 The Postcard Bandit was really a myth. 799 00:42:54,714 --> 00:42:56,554 One of Australia's most wanted men 800 00:42:56,634 --> 00:42:58,274 has been arrested on the Gold Coast. 801 00:42:58,354 --> 00:42:59,954 He was too hard to hang onto. 802 00:43:00,034 --> 00:43:01,354 It was a daring breakout. 803 00:43:01,434 --> 00:43:02,554 They cut their prison bars 804 00:43:02,634 --> 00:43:04,714 with diamond encrusted angel wire. 805 00:43:04,794 --> 00:43:07,154 To escape from a maximum-security prison twice 806 00:43:07,234 --> 00:43:08,514 is the stuff that myths are made of. 807 00:43:08,594 --> 00:43:09,554 (SIREN WAILS) 808 00:43:09,634 --> 00:43:10,594 This latest incident 809 00:43:10,674 --> 00:43:12,194 is an embarrassment for the government. 810 00:43:12,274 --> 00:43:13,274 Where is Brenden Abbott? 811 00:43:13,354 --> 00:43:17,194 Police are now planning a national task force to catch him. 812 00:43:17,274 --> 00:43:20,034 You just can't be that lucky for that long. 813 00:43:20,114 --> 00:43:22,074 The man no jail has been able to hold, 814 00:43:22,154 --> 00:43:23,914 finally back in custody. 815 00:43:23,994 --> 00:43:26,354 This 37-year-old will be an old man 816 00:43:26,434 --> 00:43:28,594 before he ever sets foot back in the community. 817 00:43:31,594 --> 00:43:34,434 Abbott spent the best part of ten years 818 00:43:34,514 --> 00:43:36,034 in solitary confinement. 819 00:43:36,114 --> 00:43:38,954 And now that's a pretty extraordinary thing. 820 00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:40,794 23 hours a day locked down in your cell, 821 00:43:40,874 --> 00:43:43,754 that would be enough to drive anyone insane. 822 00:43:43,834 --> 00:43:45,194 You've got him in maximum security. 823 00:43:45,274 --> 00:43:46,714 Why are you doing this? 824 00:43:49,914 --> 00:43:52,074 To me that was just gutless of the authorities. 825 00:43:52,154 --> 00:43:54,034 (ALARM BUZZES) 826 00:43:54,114 --> 00:43:55,234 (PHONE RINGS) 827 00:43:57,154 --> 00:43:58,874 Can you hear me, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. 828 00:43:58,954 --> 00:44:00,074 (CHUCKLES) 829 00:44:00,154 --> 00:44:02,834 How do you get through that to not be crazy? 830 00:44:02,914 --> 00:44:03,914 The law. 831 00:44:03,994 --> 00:44:05,314 You just got to keep your mind occupied 832 00:44:05,394 --> 00:44:06,794 or otherwise you'd go loopy. 833 00:44:08,434 --> 00:44:10,234 This case is set to be complex. 834 00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:11,394 If successful, 835 00:44:11,474 --> 00:44:13,754 the serial fugitive can walk out of prison 836 00:44:13,834 --> 00:44:16,754 for the first time in almost 30 years. 837 00:44:16,834 --> 00:44:18,074 Do you think it's fair that he's spent 838 00:44:18,154 --> 00:44:19,434 more than some murderers? 839 00:44:19,514 --> 00:44:21,554 He knew what he was getting involved in. 840 00:44:21,634 --> 00:44:23,554 You do the crime, you serve the time. 841 00:44:23,634 --> 00:44:24,594 He's getting older. 842 00:44:24,674 --> 00:44:26,394 I don't know how much longer I got with him. 843 00:44:27,714 --> 00:44:29,194 Everybody's just waiting for the decision 844 00:44:29,274 --> 00:44:30,434 to come back from the judge. 845 00:44:30,514 --> 00:44:33,434 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 846 00:44:33,514 --> 00:44:36,474 Captioned by AI-Media ai-media. tv 63095

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