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this one is rather recent very late in

the series the interview process has

been ongoing since the being arrived

which was in

1989 approximately twice a month they

sit it down for a session that generally

lasts from 3 to 5 hours if they try to

go longer than that or if they schedule

the sessions more frequently the being

becomes

unresponsive there's a fair amount of

infighting among the scientists from

different disciplines to get their

questions asked what is the

revealed various minor technical details

of the saucers the physicists and

Engineers are frankly frustrated they

feel the being is withholding

information possibly concepts are

getting lost because all the information

has to come through a telepath but also

it may be that the bulk of their

scientific knowledge is just too

advanced to be translated into our

primitive conceptual

framework it's analogous to if a human

scientist were to try to translate

quantum mechanics into the grunts and SC

of a chimpanzee that's not a very

flattering

comparison frankly there's a high

attrition rate for scientists in the

program you'd think they'd be energized

by the challenge but a lot of them take

uh the ego deflation very hard when they

find out not only how much they don't

know but how much they aren't even

capable of understanding what else has

the alien

communicated oddly enough the being

seems to have a much easier time

communicating spiritual Concepts

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the the human

body is a vehicle um a

vessel and the vessel must be maintained

to serve

this the

spirit with maximum efficiency but a

broken vessel can be

replaced human Spirit or the

soul can have many vessels is the

process natural or

technological both are uh both are

one technology is

a

natural

excrescence of

humanity technology is a is is a

process the vessel uses to perfect

itself so this transference of the soul

from vessel to vessel did your kind

create the mechanics of it or is it a a

natural did it predate the intellectual

creation before understanding must come

acceptance and it's not

technological well I think what he's

trying to say is is that the the

question is meaningless the soul can

travel from vessel to vessel

reincarnation Transfiguration whatever

it's real what I'm getting at is does he

know how it's

done Victor uses the term vessels to

refer to the alien's conception of the

body as a disposable vehicle for the

soul the UFO cult known as Heaven's Gate

use the term containers in a similar

context the mass suicide of the Heaven's

Gate cultists illustrates the Dark Side

of accepting such ideas at face

value doe the Heaven's Gate cult leader

preached that humans can pass from

container to container the mysterious

Victor on the other hand Harbors no such

belief in his interview recorded months

before the Rancho Santa Fe tragedy

Victor made his attachment to his own

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abundantly clear and let me just State

here publicly to head off any clever

ideas anyone might be

having I have never been am not now and

never will be

suicidal but how would the public know

if something happened to you since we

don't know who you

are I'm taking care of that trust me if

something happens to me if I die people

will know who I

am do you think think it's a reassuring

sign that these aliens can communicate

with us on a spiritual plane it would be

nice to think so but I'm not sure if

it's really such an achievement

considering the mismatch between our

intellects I mean you're not going to

have much luck making your dog

understand calculus but if you pet him

on the head and say good dog aren't you

communicating

spiritually and doesn't the Animal

control officer say good dog when he

comes to put some poor stray to sleep

doesn't the vet try to reassure the

animal just before he spays it when

you're dealing with beings whose

intellect is so far beyond your own I

don't think it's safe to assume they

have your best interests at heart what

about the content of the tape segment

you

brought as I said this is late in the

series in fact it's quite close to the

end because of his unwillingness to

reveal his own identity Victor's story

stands or falls on The credibility of

the tape he supplied here exclusively

for the first time anywhere is the uncut

uninterrupted alien interview tape shown

in its entirety in real time

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