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Yeah by what they've read and seen since
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describing essentially what they
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remember
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yeah it's just a nice part of the world
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is yeah everybody's so helpful hang on
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let's let's uh let's see how our tanker
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toys are all put together here have we
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got any kind of an audio l
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yeah if you just want to give me a
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little bit of Glen would you just
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uh say a couple things let okay first of
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all the phone was ringing
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right okay the
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way really the way I became involved in
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this was started out in the after early
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afternoon around probably 1:30 in the
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afternoon and I received a telephone
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call from the marcher wary officer out
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at the Walker Air Force Base Army
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Airfield
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Base and uh he was
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requiring inquiring
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about what would be the smallest
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possible casket that we could get that
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would be hermetically
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sealed and
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uh at that time I know that we had used
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like the four feet and uh caskets we had
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used those before but I thought thought
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they also made them in a
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36 so
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uh but I he wanted to know if we had any
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in stock and I said no but I if I can
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make a called Amell I can have him in
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you know by 7:00 the next morning on the
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truck so he said I'll get back to you
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and uh that was the first Contact that I
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had with the base and then what then he
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called back uh oh probably 45 minutes or
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so l
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and he said I need to ask you some more
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questions he said in case something like
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this should happen he said we uh we need
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to know what the preparation what how
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what your preparations are for the
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bodies that had been laying out in the
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elements you know and uh he said we need
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to know
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also what
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uh what if your treatments of of the
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bodies are the remains uh what could you
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do to them and if your treatments would
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it would it change any of the chemical
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breakdown of the tissues the blood would
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it make a difference and I said I
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thought probably it
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would and I said uh of course he knew
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exactly how we would treat those bodies
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CU we have an outline from them and what
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we really have to do I think he at that
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he already at that point knew knew
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exactly what we would have to do did he
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disclose to you what he had no I told
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him I said if you if you have a problem
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if you want you know if you have
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something you don't really know what to
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do about it let me come out and I'll you
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know try to help you do whatever you
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want to
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do and he
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said okay and he said no he said let's
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let's just back up just um let's start
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again with you were saying you told him
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that you can come out and take care of
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what he had right yeah why don't you
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pick it up from that so and he said well
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you know we don't really have anything
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he said we're sitting here thinking in
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case we should get involved in something
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like this you know what would be our
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preparation what what would should we
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do then I you know I went through I said
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do you really want to know how we would
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do it well yes you know we would like to
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know
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so that's when I explained to him that
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we would have the Vats that we would
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fill up with the with form Malahide
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solution with water and we put the
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bodies in them uh let them stay there
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for 24 hours and then take them out and
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U then we would pack the bodies in the
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would be a sawdust and really a
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lime what we would pack them in then WRA
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them in in the place that's bodies that
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were badly
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decomposed if there was tissue deep
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tissue we would have to do it
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hypodermically with needles to get to
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the deep tissue then we would have to
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aspirate the cavities if the cavities
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hadn't already ruptured and then put
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some cavity fluid in those I said that's
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you know kind of normal
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procedure now at one point you finally
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offered to take care of it for them well
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offered two three times yeah can you
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review what that conversation that point
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you mean when I offered to take care of
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them yeah he said well we we don't
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really right at this time we don't
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really need your assistant but he said
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in case something like this should
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happen then he said we would be prepared
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and we would know what to
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do then we got back onto the subject of
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maybe not damaging any of the of the
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chemicals uh compounds or anything with
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the bodies or you know tissues
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whatever because it uh they wanted you
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know how do you would you pick bodies up
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like that and what would you do not to
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to uh contaminate any of it didn't this
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begin to seem a little strange to you at
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that point well I thought maybe what
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happened they might have had a VIP or
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you know some officer and something that
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happened they maybe they didn't want you
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know want to keep it quite and they
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probably want to do it themselves not be
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involved with the civilian
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and uh businesses or anything so after
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these conversations you were curious and
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you went on out to the base as I
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understand can you review that well I
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didn't go out to the base yeah I was
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curious but the only I didn't go out to
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the Bas and probably a couple hours
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later and I'd got an emergency call
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there was an Airman that was injured in
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an
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accident and I took the Airman to the
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base he rode in the ambulance with me
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and I took him out to the virgin
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streamer and that's way I became really
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involved out the base I didn't go out
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just because I was curious give me the
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sequence from the time you picked up the
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Airmen and just described to me well and
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I got the call you know I left the
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funeral home and the amess went to the
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scene of the accident picked the Airman
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up he I did not Place him on a stretcher
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because uh he had a head injury and a
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nose I think his nose was fractured so I
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did some minor uh first stayed and then
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he sat in the front seat with me all the
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way to the base when we got to the base
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then uh he walked into the emergency
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room I didn't uh have to take him in
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they didn't bring out a you know a
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gurnie or anything we just he just
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walked in on his own then I never did
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see him after that then I had this
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friend that I wanted to talk to and say
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this uh is a lieutenant nurse that I
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knew quite well that had only been there
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roxim only been commissioned and been
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there to sign this was their first
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assignment to the out it to the air base
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and U I wanted to talk to her and so
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this I was going down the
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hall and I uh first thing the lady that
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I want the lieutenant that I wanted to
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see was coming out of one room going
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across the hall to the other and she
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noticed it me she said how did you get
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in here and what are you doing in here
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and she said you better get out in a
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hurry she said you're going to get in a
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lot of trouble she said would you please
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leave and get out of here in a
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hurry and then about I turned around and
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then about and she went on into the
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other room then in about time I turned
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around there was a there was another
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officer said hey wait a minute and I
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said uh looks like you had a crash they
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said I see there's some you know in the
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ambulance in the ambulances out there I
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see a lot of recogniz said where was the
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crash and he said there wasn't any crash
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and he said uh then he said just wait a
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minute then I he said wait a minute and
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I you know stood there for a minute he
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turned around and evidently he must have
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waited for somebody else to come out
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because there was another officer coming
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out he said this man says there was a
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crash out at the base he said he wanted
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to know about he was inquiring about our
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crash and this was when and I
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encountered he was a redheaded
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officer and uh very nasty very
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uh BR he said uh he did not see any
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crash there was not any cat crash and he
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said uh you get the hell out of here and
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you didn't see anything and you don't
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talk to anybody he said you're going to
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get in hell of a lot of trouble and I
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said look I'm a civilian and the damn
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thing you can do to me about it he said
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No but somebody might be picking your
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bones out of the sand that's when he
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made the remark there then there was a
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black sergeant that was standing beside
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him and he said yeah but he would make
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better dog food for our dogs course I
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didn't understand that but my father
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happened to be an Old Trapper and for a
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hobby and everything and I said my
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father uses guys like you for baai and
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his cow
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traps and then there was two MPS that
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joined me right on took me outside and
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each holding me by my elbow and escorted
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me out to the back to the ambulance and
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followed me all the way back to the
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funeral home now as you were entering
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the hospital just saw something three
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trucks yeah when yeah cuz usually where
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I parked there was three field
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ambulances parked in the area where I
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usually park where we be back up to the
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to the ramps so I just pulled up to the
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side in front of those and parked out in
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the front and the Airmen and I got out
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and walked
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in so uh when I passed when I got up
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went up the steps up the ramp and I was
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walking uh going into the emergency room
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I noticed that the doors were open and
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and but what was odd about it there was
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an MP standing beside each one of the
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vehicles in the back it's standing there
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and the doors were open actually I was
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curious and you know I just happened to
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look in that's when I saw some debris or
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it looked like parts of a plane or
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something that they hadn't had a crash
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cuz I've seen them do this a lot of
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times bring in pieces in the old
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ambulances in can you describe the
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debris yeah they were I noticed in two
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of the ambulances there was some debris
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that was probably 2 and 1 half to 3 ft
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you know long and probably high that was
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propped up on the side of the emets
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there they were kind of in the shape of
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maybe like a half a canoe they they were
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like the front part of a
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canoe and
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uh you know it looked like it looked
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like it might be aluminum but it it
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looked more like it was the metal looked
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more like stainless steel that had been
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heated it was blue kind of a bluish tent
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to it but what was odd about it it
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looked like around the curve part in the
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front of the canoe there was
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some some uh design signs or something
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it kind of reminded me of maybe some
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Egyptian signs or
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whatever and it was probably about 3 in
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and high and probably the length of what
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the wage I saw it looked like it was and
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the same thing was in in the other
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ambulance too I mean I saw practically
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the same
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thing the the pieces that were
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practically the same size and ins signas
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look like whatever that might be was uh
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part of the record
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how did
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n how did your friend feel about what
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she saw well I didn't know really until
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until
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the uh till the next day and I wanted to
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I called out I kept trying to get a hold
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of her because naturally I was curious
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and I wanted to know what was going on
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and so I called out the next day and
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then probably around 11:30 she said I
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know you've been trying to get a hold of
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me but I haven't been available and she
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said why don't you meet me at the
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Officers Club if you if you have time
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meet at the officer club and we'll have
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lunch and I wanted I want to talk to
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you and the funeral home we had at at
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that time we had all the some of the
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businesses there had an associate
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membership to the Officers Club and our
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funeral home had that
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membership and also had a card to
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identify myself and what business that I
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was you know associated with so I had no
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problem only time I go to the base all I
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had to do a lot of times if it was in
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the evening i' have to stop and sign a
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visitors and get a visitors pass and
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then turn it in when I left but it was
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no problem going out there so I went on
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out and met her beg you pardon tell me
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about lunch well we you know both
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ordered I'm not sure remember what we
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ordered but it was just a light just a
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light lunch but she was so
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upset uh she looked like she was you
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know in shock is what she really talked
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like and looked like and uh she said I
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want it she said I said well I was just
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curious on reason I want to talk to you
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I was curious on what
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happened and she said well you won't
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believe it and she says I don't believe
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it either but she said uh I got in a lot
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of trouble on this thing I probably I'm
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not real sure about this but she said
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when I then she pulled out of a little
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purse or little pocketbook whatever she
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had there she gave me a little diagram
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that she had that she had drawn some D
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some uh figures of of some arms in the
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face and so on she told me that this is
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what you know was what was in those that
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it was a crash wasn't an airplane but
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they didn't know what it was at that
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time these were bodies yeah but she said
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we have three bodies that there was
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three bodies she said two of them were
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very
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mutilated one look like it might have
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walked out that it you know might have
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lived a little while and she explained
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they were like three and A2 ft four feet
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tall the uh two of the bodies were the
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the you couldn't identify much because
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they were practically destroyed and it
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looked like maybe that they might have
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been uh a predatory animal or something
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might have uh been doing some damage on
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the bodies too how did she describe your
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head your hands well she said the your
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head and then the the little drawings
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that I had she the way she explained it
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and the way she drew it that the heads
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were somewhat larger than than a human
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heads the hands were long no thumbs it
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was just the long very delicate fingers
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at the end of on the underside at the
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tip of each fingers was a pad likee um
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maybe a little Pad but it looked like
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the skin had maybe little suction like
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the little suction cups on those on the
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uh no fingernails on the
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hands the head the lips were very just a
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long narrow more or less not full lips
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like we would have in a in most of our
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people but very fine line very fine lips
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uh there was no teeth that was the
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inside of of the mouth it was it was
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kind of like a
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real uh a gums maybe it was uh you said
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explained it it was almost as hard as if
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it was rawh hiide maybe H that the uh
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the ears there was only two small orices
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on each side of the head with look like
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a couple of small loes that might some
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way that might cover both of those but
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there was not a p
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ear and also that the nose there was
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only two small orices in the nose with
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it was there was really no nose that
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was convex it was all just flush with
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the of the
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face was she emotional about all this
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very much so very emotional she would
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have to stop and drink water every once
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in a while and
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also she never touched her meal that all
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the time we were talking in an hour and
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a half that we were there she never
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touched her
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meal any other demonstrations of emotion
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indications of how she was excited well
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just you know every once in a while
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she'd go like this you know and ringing
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her hands and she said it was the most
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most uh horri I've never been so
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horrified in my life I've never seen
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anything so gruesome in my life I've
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never smelt anything that smelt worse in
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my life and she told me that when I saw
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her she was leaving the room to go to
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the bathroom because she was deathly ill
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and was going to throw up did she
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recognize any of the doctors by the
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examining the body she told
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me U she said I don't I ask you that
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question which of the doctors and she
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said I don't know that she said I don't
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know that I knew them and that was her
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answer
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so but she said she walked in the room
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and they said hey we need you you need
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to help
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us and uh that was way she became
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involved in it then she got ill the
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doctors also became very ill they would
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have to do little examination then
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they'd have to leave and go sit down and
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then they would come back and do a
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little bit more it was that
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bad after your conversation with her at
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launch can you
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describe what happened that did you how
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you r to see her again and how you
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learned the well yeah we visited a while
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and then I had to get back to the
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funeral home go back to work but uh then
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uh I never did see her after that and I
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called out the next day to see how she
435
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was feeling see what and they told me
436
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that she wasn't available then I
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wouldn't be available that day I called
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the next day and they told me that she'd
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been
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transferred and it was rather odd
441
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because CU she'd only been at the base
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Less Than 3 months that was her on
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commission less than three months and
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that was her first assignment so it was
445
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rather odd that she would be transferred
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out you know within three
447
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months so later on you attempted you got
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a I guess you got a letter then about
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two weeks probably two weeks at least
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two weeks could have been a little
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longer but I know it was at least two
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weeks I got a I got a letter addressed
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to me at glenis at The Bard funel home
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with uh she didn't sign it didn't have
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any returned address or anything on it
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but inside of the letter it was just a
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note she said I don't have time to write
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I will write later later this is my APO
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number and that was that was extent of
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it so then I wrote back to her and uh
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asking her more or less how you know how
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she was feeling and why the sudden
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transfer and then I was hope that she
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wasn't in any trouble it was just a
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short note I really didn't go into a lot
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of detail or anything then probably 3
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weeks or probably a month after that
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then I got the letter that I had mailed
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to her it was return it was stamped
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return and also it's on the on in red
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printing it said deceased and that's the
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last time I ever heard or heard anything
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about it then well probably then I went
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out to the base
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uh few days later and I was talking to
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one of the nurses and I said you know
477
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whatever happened to the lieutenant and
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she said well the rumor is that we heard
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that she was killed with five other
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nurses in a training mission in a plane
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crash and that was it no indication
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where well it was in London England she
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said in my in the note that she sent me
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that she was in London Station in London
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and that was it that's the last time I
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ever heard do you believe that she's
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dead no I don't think so after all
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that's happening and after you know
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threatening me and everything I doubt
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very seriously that she
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was I would hope
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not what would you like to say to her if
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she happen to see this well she happened
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to this see if she she feels
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like
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the you know she wants to talk if she
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feels like I would like to hear from her
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yes see what's been going on in her life
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and why she wasn't able to contact
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me if she you know feels like
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it let not
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for
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um
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now the
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sheriff told your father you were in
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trouble okay what happened there then
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the next day after I was there when I
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had the problem problem with the officer
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and the black
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man I was told my father was contacted
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by our Sheriff George Wilcox which was a
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very close friend of my father they were
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very good
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friends and uh he called uh to see if my
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father was home because he wanted to
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come out and talk to my
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father and he did so and he told my
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father that there was a black sergeant
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from the base that came to the his
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office was inquiring about who my
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parents were my mother and my father if
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I had any brothers or sisters and all
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you know wanted to know my what my
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personal family who they were and where
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they were George said that he didn't he
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knew I had some family but he didn't
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know you know where they were anything
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else so anyway he told my father that he
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did contact my father and he told my
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father that he thought I might be in
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some trouble
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and uh but he didn't they evidently
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didn't explain why I was in trouble so
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you know first thing my father did was
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get in his car and come to the funeral
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home he said we had to talk because he
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and I were very close we were real you
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know real good friends the best friend I
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ever had was my father he said I've got
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to talk he said if you're in trouble he
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said we we've got to do something about
542
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,240
and I said I'm not in trouble he said
543
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,200
well you are he said George Wilcox told
544
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,600
me that you were in a lot of
545
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,039
trouble and that you got involved in
546
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,440
something that you had no business
547
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,880
getting involved
548
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,000
in and that you could be in a lot of
549
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:13,320
trouble and I said then so I told my
550
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,320
father the story and he's the only man
551
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,520
that I've ever told this story to until
552
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,080
I talk to Stan fredman and to you people
553
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,000
and that's it
554
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:26,320
period And I did tell my father what
555
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,200
what the story was of course it was you
556
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,320
know it was unbelievable for him
557
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,200
but then he became very upset and he
558
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,240
wanted to go shoot a few people and all
559
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,000
that because they did threaten my life
560
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,799
and you know and
561
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,600
they
562
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:43,399
so that was the way my father heard
563
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,960
about it and that was extent my family
564
00:24:43,399 --> 00:24:46,880
and he never would tell them who my
565
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,120
brother I had a brother that was a
566
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:53,320
fighter pilot during that time and I had
567
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:56,480
three sisters and uh one of them was a
568
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,720
nurse but I but he would never tell them
569
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,399
anything and so he didn't tell the
570
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,600
sheriff or anybody else cuz the sheriff
571
00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:02,960
was supposed to call him back and give
572
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:08,799
him the names and where they were at and
573
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:12,399
he wouldn't do it let's get back to your
574
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:17,120
friend did she Express an opinion as to
575
00:25:12,399 --> 00:25:20,279
what she thought these beings were did
576
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:24,399
she think did she think they came with
577
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:25,960
well she all she was all the only remark
578
00:25:24,399 --> 00:25:29,120
that she ever made was that they
579
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,159
definitely weren't humans as as we know
580
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:33,760
humans but they could be from another
581
00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:35,480
planet or the doctors were explaining
582
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,039
this that they couldn't be from our
583
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:42,039
planet they had to be an alien it had to
584
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:45,559
be something else but not not in our
585
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:47,960
planet she had a phas she used to
586
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:50,320
describe how they look to her you
587
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,960
remember that you were telling you like
588
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,840
little black chin well she said that
589
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,720
well of course they were you know first
590
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,120
thing she said they were black they were
591
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,480
just as black as it could be but
592
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:05,799
probably laying out in the elements in
593
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,960
in July and Roswell with 105 to 110
594
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:10,640
temperature every day and 80 degrees or
595
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,760
so at night I mean that's not that
596
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,960
wouldn't be Inc commmon because we
597
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,159
picked up a lot of sheep HS of people
598
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,840
that have been found dead that's laying
599
00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:21,480
in the desert you know for days and
600
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,679
didn't more rattlesnakes or whatever and
601
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,919
they do turn you know as black as they
602
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:28,880
can and I know exactly what they were
603
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:31,600
talking about be
604
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,399
with the smell and the odor being so
605
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,840
drastic because this is a very
606
00:26:33,399 --> 00:26:39,000
unpleasant situation you know and let's
607
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,320
talk about their eyes how did she
608
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,120
describe their eyes well she said that
609
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:47,640
of course Their Eyes Were set back into
610
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:49,440
the skull oh and it was a remarkable I
611
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,799
thought it was interesting also that she
612
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,080
said their skulls the doctor said their
613
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:56,679
skulled bone structure wasn't like ours
614
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,720
it wasn't actually a bone it was
615
00:26:56,679 --> 00:27:01,840
probably a real heavy cartilage it it
616
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,679
looked more or less like a newborn baby
617
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,440
the skull was very pliable you could
618
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:07,440
Mash on the skull and it would you know
619
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,399
it would
620
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,679
give and so it the bone structure it
621
00:27:11,399 --> 00:27:15,000
wasn't bones not like our bones it was
622
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:17,080
our skull and
623
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,880
everything what about the bones and the
624
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,919
hands and arms is said very fine very
625
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,200
delicate the arm bones they like the
626
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:27,760
radial the Y and in the arm that uh that
627
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,520
was so fine that he doubt if they could
628
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,600
lift you know she said they doubt if
629
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,679
they anyone in that that size and the
630
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,600
arms of that could lift 50 lbs on the
631
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:38,200
earth or anywhere else you know they
632
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:42,760
doubted they had that strength but she
633
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:45,880
said what the one that hadn't been uh
634
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,080
mutilated to a great extent it reminded
635
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,399
him of a real small ancient Chinese
636
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:55,840
person no hair at
637
00:27:50,399 --> 00:27:57,480
all and uh very very delicate skin in
638
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,159
fact they said the skin would look like
639
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,159
they could almost see through it almost
640
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,080
transparent
641
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,760
um why don't you give me a paragraph on
642
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,240
the years
643
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:14,240
and well the ears like I think I stated
644
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,840
to you that the ears there was a couple
645
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:20,000
of small orices one on top of the other
646
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,640
with two little lobe flaps one over the
647
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,399
other they didn't really know how those
648
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,399
if they had any significance how they
649
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:29,559
worked or what they wasn't I mean they
650
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:32,679
didn't go into that the nose was only a
651
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:36,720
couple of very small orices holes right
652
00:28:32,679 --> 00:28:39,360
there just above the lip line but it had
653
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,919
uh there wasn't anything covering it and
654
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,519
it was just like two small indentations
655
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:48,799
there and that was
656
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:52,279
it said it was very unusual does anyone
657
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:55,240
else you you're talking about the hands
658
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:58,480
the hands yeah descri hands the the
659
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,720
hands well there was one hand
660
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,000
there was there was one hand that
661
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,000
evidently that wasn't attached to the
662
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,000
arm and she said that where she got sick
663
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,120
and left the room was that this doctor
664
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,679
had the long forp and pick the hand up
665
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,360
and turned it over and that's when they
666
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:18,399
noticed that there wasn't any thumb none
667
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,640
of them had none of the bodies had any
668
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:21,519
thumbs or anything they were just long
669
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,360
very
670
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:28,120
fine U very delicate fingers no
671
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,880
fingernails but right at the tip of each
672
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,559
finger right at the tip of each finger
673
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,200
it looked like there was a pad and in
674
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,240
this pad it looked like it might have
675
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,000
had very small little they were like
676
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,440
little suction cups very minute suction
677
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,880
cups the doctor that's the way he
678
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,360
explained it that was looking at
679
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,000
it let's
680
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,480
tap we need to get the arm as well okay
681
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,720
yes the arm we need to go about the arm
682
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,399
really magazine we published and with
683
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,080
the ads of the tips maybe you can get
684
00:29:56,399 --> 00:30:01,120
can you get a copy of them I can that be
685
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:05,320
happy it's
686
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:07,480
amazing it all fits together that's
687
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,200
thing obviously it would know about your
688
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,000
information yeah well see I've never
689
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,760
I've never discussed this with anyone my
690
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,360
father was the only person I really ever
691
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,039
discussed this I didn't discuss it at
692
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,279
the funeral home or anything else I
693
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:22,960
never discussed it with any of my family
694
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:25,760
period I never have until I met Stan
695
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,279
Freeman two years ago it's the first
696
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,640
time I ever discussed it would you have
697
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,840
an interest in dubs of testimony that we
698
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,000
get from other people here I'd be happy
699
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,480
I'd love to yeah but I you know I'd love
700
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
to I'd like to have a tape of mine also
701
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,320
if
702
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:43,360
you you know maybe can send you two one
703
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,120
you know my daughter said if you know I
704
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,120
want to tape of this and I want to keep
705
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,799
it you know and I want it in the family
706
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,000
but we we'll we'll make you up yeah I
707
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:54,120
would have to you know whatever if you
708
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,240
guys feel comfortable I'd love to you
709
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,880
know have some tapes or whatever you
710
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,600
know absolutely we got quite a few that
711
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,440
we could probably run off what you have
712
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,000
VHS or beta machine tap I I'll see till
713
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,600
we get some thought of other people's
714
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,120
interview I just go to Kmart or wherever
715
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,320
and buy the I think we have the tap
716
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,840
going now why don't we start with
717
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,000
the he talked about the hands for
718
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,840
continuity might be good to go to the
719
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,120
arm this will all be edited anyway but
720
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,919
we can start wherever you like you want
721
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,919
want to go let's start with the arms
722
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:24,919
okay
723
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,960
forget the
724
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,960
camera see if he was ready it's not
725
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:39,159
there it's not there it's all right but
726
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,960
you were asking me to to describe the
727
00:31:39,159 --> 00:31:44,519
arms and this was another thing that the
728
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:48,200
lieutenant brought out that it was that
729
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:51,120
it was very uh the difference between
730
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,799
their and ours that the that the from
731
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,120
the rest to the first joint here that it
732
00:31:54,799 --> 00:32:00,320
was probably one and a half times longer
733
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:03,399
than the top part up here it was it was
734
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,480
very oddl looking it was very odd she
735
00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:07,880
said and
736
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:12,440
U the
737
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:15,880
uh very small very small arms very
738
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,760
small bone structure bone structure was
739
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,120
bone structure uh of course I asked her
740
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,840
about the bones because we were talking
741
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,840
about the wrist bones and everything and
742
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,240
she said it was very similar to ours but
743
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,279
the bones were so small that that their
744
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:35,159
bones proba wasn't in in the arm wasn't
745
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:37,000
any larger than my finger W so um okay
746
00:32:35,159 --> 00:32:39,919
now give me two three sentences on how
747
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,799
they were dressed she we never mentioned
748
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:45,440
it never talked about the dress did she
749
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:47,360
say anything about sex so was she able
750
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,120
she said she really never she was so
751
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,600
sick and everything that never even
752
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,519
entered her
753
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:57,519
mind so was it guess not no way to
754
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:58,600
determine the sex of the beings then
755
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,880
well
756
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,080
it wasn't discussed with her it probably
757
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,760
was but
758
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,120
she like she said I was so ill and so
759
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:11,279
horrified that that I don't you know she
760
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,200
said she sat up all night and and she
761
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:15,639
knew I was going to be real concerned
762
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,919
knew I was going to be on what happened
763
00:33:15,639 --> 00:33:21,200
you know she knew that I got in trouble
764
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:23,960
probably and she would drew that you
765
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,679
know she set up and made a little notes
766
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,639
on the back of these little prescription
767
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:30,519
pads and that's what she had her notes
768
00:33:28,639 --> 00:33:32,639
made out and that's what we discussed
769
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:35,600
particularly what she had I was very
770
00:33:32,639 --> 00:33:38,799
interested in that you had kept so many
771
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,120
records of the incident and pertaining
772
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:43,399
to everything that you know regarding
773
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,360
the UFO correction and you kept them in
774
00:33:43,399 --> 00:33:49,399
the uh you know there at Bard and then
775
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,360
later they disappeared could you give us
776
00:33:49,399 --> 00:33:54,440
well I was really in charge of all the
777
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,960
military contracts I did all the bids
778
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,639
and everything and really took care of
779
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,440
all the contracts myself
780
00:33:58,639 --> 00:34:03,679
and uh that was that was one of my
781
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,200
duties at funeral to take care of the
782
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:07,880
military and I had a file I had a file
783
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,359
on everything had ever happened at
784
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Walker Air Base the like Bob Hope and
785
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:14,320
different some of the big orchestras and
786
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,720
everybody had come and have the big
787
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,320
parties and everything and the hangers
788
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,000
you know I tended but I would also have
789
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,159
pictures and everything I had a personal
790
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,720
file that I kept and I kept everything
791
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:29,359
in this file that that that pertained
792
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:32,240
that I attended or or whatever and this
793
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:34,040
is where I put the diagrams and the
794
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:36,399
notes that she gave me was in my
795
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,919
personal file well then the Ballard
796
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:41,919
funeral home
797
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:45,119
sold at a later date several years later
798
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:47,839
that it sold and the people that bought
799
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:51,079
the funeral home these were files that
800
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:53,040
they were the old files that that that
801
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:56,200
they kept in the basement down in the
802
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,880
furnace room and they had all the milit
803
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,560
I had all the military fire s together
804
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,800
in one filing cabinet everything had
805
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,119
happened at the base and everything we
806
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,680
also had the contract at Fort suar Air
807
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:12,280
Base they had a glider base there and
808
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:16,720
also fighter pilot training there in the
809
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:19,040
p47 and 51s and so on and so I had all
810
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:21,839
the files everything was one filing
811
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,640
cabinet was strictly all military and
812
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:25,800
that's where I had all this filed away I
813
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,040
had all this filed away I even had the
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newspaper that Walter hot the head lines
815
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and all this the next day I had all that
816
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in these files what interests me is that
817
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I have all these files all these
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different topic only one was missing
819
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when he went to look for it that was one
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00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,480
pertaining to this yeah can you review
821
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that for us well no there were some of
822
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the other files were missing also not
823
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just my own file but my file was in the
824
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same that yeah most of most all my files
825
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,880
my file was gone but there was also some
826
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files
827
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uh they they had really actually had
828
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destroyed most of the files that were
829
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obtaining after a certain years they
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just gotten rid of them and they told
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the the manager funeral that's the
832
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manager there name Raymond Otero also
833
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told me that he knew my file was there
834
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Joe Lucas that was the manager at that
835
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,160
time knew my files were there and he and
836
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I had some personal problems and uh he
837
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,160
said get rid of the you know get rid of
838
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his damn files we don't think remind us
839
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:34,160
of him that's where the files went
840
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:38,000
really there was some discussion about
841
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,880
how to preserve the bodies right um dry
842
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,960
ice and that sort of thing and you kind
843
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,319
of oh well where they got the ice and
844
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:48,079
things okay that's okay they then the
845
00:36:45,319 --> 00:36:50,079
mortuary officer what okay how would
846
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,920
what would you do if you had to ship one
847
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:54,800
out and but you couldn't do anything to
848
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,040
it I mean that you couldn't you know do
849
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,960
any treatment Tre what would you do I
850
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,640
said don't thing you could do that I
851
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,440
would suggest that first thing if you
852
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,319
have a problem don't want to destroy any
853
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,240
the tissue any any blood cells anything
854
00:37:06,319 --> 00:37:10,960
that you don't want to destroy I would
855
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:13,760
suggest that you contact a pathologist
856
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,560
and I said I'm sure the the Army
857
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Airfield I mean somebody's got some
858
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,920
pathologist around I didn't know that
859
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,000
they had one in Rosell but I said if I
860
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,680
were you I'd call a pathologist and take
861
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,200
you know ask him what how he would like
862
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,720
to have it done or whatever you're going
863
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,240
to do or whatever it is you better do
864
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,960
what the pathologist because he's the
865
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:35,720
one that's going to do the autopsy and
866
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,000
make the reports but I said the only
867
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,520
thing I know you could do is just go to
868
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,160
clar's Dair Sunset creamy we had two at
869
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,680
the time and buy all the dri you can and
870
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,119
pack them in dry ice if that's
871
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:52,480
possible and that's what I suggest that
872
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:57,640
they do excuse me you hit my mic with
873
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:59,280
your oh sorry about thator
874
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,839
yeah I've done it at least eight times
875
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,520
already
876
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:07,200
personal okay what you
877
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,960
think I think as a suggestion you might
878
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:15,359
want to do that part again if back to it
879
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,359
because a few times oh sorry
880
00:38:16,319 --> 00:38:22,359
BR lnis take to
881
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:26,200
clity all right let's go back and go
882
00:38:22,359 --> 00:38:29,960
over the dry icing again well
883
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,960
okay what I suggested that the mort to
884
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,480
the mortuary officer I suggested this to
885
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,200
the mortuary officer after and we we
886
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,640
discussed this probably for 20 minutes
887
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,560
or better on the telephone and I said I
888
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,240
kept telling him hey you know if you
889
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,000
have a problem if you got something out
890
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,839
there if you need our services we have
891
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,599
the contract I would be glad to come out
892
00:38:46,839 --> 00:38:51,720
and help you take care of it he said no
893
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,760
this is for future kept always referring
894
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,000
this was for future use in case we did
895
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,079
have
896
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,240
something but uh then I I said well you
897
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:03,440
know first thing you better do you
898
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,920
better get a hold of a pathologist I
899
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,400
don't know whether you have one at at
900
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,560
the base I don't but I know you probably
901
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,160
have the top pathologist you know
902
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,280
something similar to those words and I
903
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,280
said that's what I do and you better let
904
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,000
him give you the instructions and then
905
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,160
you better do what he tells you to do
906
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,920
because he's the one that's going to do
907
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,440
the
908
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,040
autopsy and you don't if that's if it's
909
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,280
this sensitive you better do what he
910
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,400
tells you but I said the only other
911
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,000
suggestion I can make that you go to
912
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Cloud's dairy or you go to Sunset
913
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,560
crey buy all the dry ice you can and
914
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,440
pack whatever you have whatever the
915
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,000
problem is you better pack it in dry ice
916
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,560
and then do whatever you have to do with
917
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,560
it cuz that's the only way they tried to
918
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,000
put it in the
919
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:49,040
morg out the morg they had two
920
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,720
refrigerated body compartments that we
921
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,720
used to put them in and then we' go out
922
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,440
and get the bodies from there but they
923
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,079
always brought the Airmen to us but on
924
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,920
the dependence and everything we went
925
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:00,119
out for them
926
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,880
but they weren't cold enough and and it
927
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,560
became so offensive they were afraid
928
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,240
they were going to you were going to
929
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:10,160
upset everybody in the hospital so they
930
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:11,599
later moved them over to a hanger and
931
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,960
that's the last that she knew anything
932
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,079
about him too the lieutenant knew
933
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,520
anything about
934
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:19,119
them but she doesn't know how they moved
935
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,200
it or anything about it but they were
936
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:24,680
taken to a hanger cuz it the offense the
937
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,160
odor was so offensive they couldn't that
938
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,319
like they said it was upsetting
939
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:32,119
everything
940
00:40:28,319 --> 00:40:32,119
that's great
941
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,560
fantastic did she tell you where she
942
00:40:34,839 --> 00:40:39,680
thought or where she was told the bodies
943
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,480
went from Roswell I'm sorry where the
944
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,599
bodies went from Roswell did you know
945
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,839
where where they they were shipped out
946
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,040
did you know where they went she didn't
947
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:49,119
know she never told me she never
948
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,319
mentioned any no suggestion whatsoever
949
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,160
she just said the last she heard they
950
00:40:51,319 --> 00:40:55,599
were in a hanger and that's all she
951
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,160
knows and we never discussed anything
952
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:00,680
else I guess if that takes care of
953
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,880
everything would you like to watch it is
954
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,079
a portion just to get an idea you don't
955
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:10,040
need to watch the whole yeah let's turn
956
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:10,040
it around and watch it
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