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it's a remarkable piece of footage if

it's a hoax it's very well done if it's

um if it's not then I would say it's

probably

revolutionary it's a fake in my opinion

if you continue to ask questions that

are out of bounds I won't hesitate to

terminate this

interview this is powerful because this

is not a staged event this is real

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interest in UFOs and Area 51 is at an

all-time high last year a highly rated

TV special and best-selling home video

reported to show an actual autopsy of an

alien being from the famous Roswell New

Mexico crash of

1947 many people and even some experts

believe that autopsy footage was genuine

if that was indeed the body of an alien

being from another world could the

footage in this program be the world's

first hard visual ual evidence of an

actual living and breathing alien being

an alien being communicating in an

interview with a highly covert arm of

the US

government if the footage we're about to

show you is genuine then this could very

well be the most important video in the

history of mankind proving once and for

all that we are not

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alone within Nevada's Nellis Air Force

range protected by the tightest Security

in the world is the Groom Lake test site

AKA Dreamland AKA Area 51 an

installation so secret the government

cryptically acknowledges its existence

only as an operating location until

recently the military Flatout denied the

presence of such a

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base it has served as the testing ground

for many secret research and development

projects such as the U2 and SR71

Blackbird spy planes the f-117a stealth

fighter and now the sr75 penetrator the

super secret replacement for the

SR71 every morning a select group of

Specialists with high security

clearances some reportedly as high as 38

levels Above Top Secret arrive at

McCaron airport in Los Vegas to be flown

to Area 51 aboard of Boeing

737 from the time they leave the ground

until they return to Las Vegas at the

end of each working day they enter a

world no Outsider can ever truly know

except through rumor and the occasional

shocking

Revelation in

1989 a physicist named Robert Lazar went

public with the stunning claim that the

United States government was test flying

dis shaped aircraft of extraterrestrial

origin at Area 51 interviewed in

silhouette by a Las Vegas TV reporter

Lazar calling himself Dennis claimed to

be employed at a site on the outskirts

of Area 51 known as S4 where he was part

of a team attempting to back engineer

the saucers to discover the secret of

their Advanced propulsion

system it was a a very Sleek thin

looking uh Flying Saucer shaped craft

there were nine total uh I only got to

essentially work back engineer analyze

one of the craft it's very plain it's

all one solid color uh a a grayish peor

color the same color as the outside of

the craft and there are no sharp Corners

anywhere every device in the craft the

seat uh the amplifier housings

everything has a rounded corner on it

almost as if it was all fashioned out of

wax and then slightly melted so

everything curved even where the ceiling

meets the floor on the end everything

has a a curve to it um very very plain

very wide open uh very impractical use

of space and there are three levels the

lower level um houses the amplifiers

themselves that swing the three of them

the center level is where you enter the

craft where the seats and the amplifiers

are and the uh top level is a small area

and I did not have access to that so I

don't know what's up there

absolutely alien craft there's no

question about it well first of all the

scope of the project was to back

engineer it if they were United States

craft we wouldn't be going backward

trying to find out how they were built

if we had built them uh second of all

the size of uh the equipment inside the

size of the seats the uh materials that

were in use completely alien to us

pardon the pun and uh you know the fuel

Element 115 essentially non-existent uh

all these factors together uh and of

course the briefing information stating

that they were alien

craft along with Robert Lazar rocket

scientist David Adair is one of the few

individuals who will go on record

concerning his personal experiences with

alien technology at Area 51 well not of

our origin they shouldn't have let me

seen that and then in the results of it

um they uh um locked me in a room and

the reason they locked me up in a room

was because um I wouldn't tell them

anymore about how the engine would

function and they started getting a

little bit more perturbed about that a

former consultant to NASA and top

aerospace companies Adair claims that in

1971 he was brought in to study the

engine of a Down Flying Saucer what I

was looking at was a technological

Marvel of its time time and uh it was a

magnificent thing to see the setting

there and the whole situation just

started really getting me

more Angry than anything because the

fact to take a set on such a hunk of

technology and not tell us about it here

we are using liquid fuel engines and

Rockets at Nasa and here they got an

engine that's probably uh in theory that

we know of could be uh a speed of light

an engine capable speed of light or even

faster euphology and lecturer Shawn

David Morton has appeared on sightings

strange universe and hard copy he offers

his own perspective on lazar's stunning

claim and the super secret area

51 Area 51 is approximately 135 miles

north of Las Vegas it sits in a in a box

that's at the Western middle corner of

the Nellis test site it was originally

called The Groom Lake facility and Area

51 actually gets its name from a bombing

classification there's Area 49 50 51 52

etc etc so one of the things that Robert

Lazar told us was that if we simply went

out to a Black Mailbox at 6:30 p.m. on

Wednesday nights that we would actually

see flying saucers that these objects

would test and that this was the

military testing time between 6:30 and

9:30 and then early in the morning

between about 3:00 a.m. and about 6:00

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a.m. vigorous effort have been made by

employees of the government and others

to debunk lazzar's claims and discredit

him personally nevertheless Area 51 has

become the center of a raging

controversy whether in fact certain

clandestine agencies of the US

government are in secret contact with

alien

beings project Sigma was supposedly a

deal between the United States

government and various extraterrestrials

that after the Roswell crash of

1947 that an organization called

Majestic 12 was formed and then in 19 53

President Eisenhower was then brought in

on this well there was a negotiation

going back and forth between the United

States military the government and the

extra terrestrials apparently we had a

number of things that the

extraterrestrials wanted number one the

military needed Hardware we wanted

technology we wanted weapons technology

propulsion technology Metallurgy

technology and in exchange for this the

ETS were willing to trade us uh their

hardware for our software and software

namely being us what they primarily

wanted was genetic material and in

exchange for that they were willing to

give us certain certain technological uh

advances like a number of flying

saucers it is out of Area 51 that the

tape we are about to show you was

supposedly

smuggled on Friday July 26th 1996 the

offices of Rocket pictures a producer

distributor of Motion Pictures and

television programs received a phone

call a male voice identifying himself

only as Victor claimed to be in

possession of a videotaped interview

with an extraterrestrial being Tom

Coleman president of Rocket pictures was

intrigued enough to take the call I of

course thought this was some hoax in

fact I I thought it might have been my

brother at one point uh but as uh as we

spoke uh this was someone who seemed to

be very serious uh

we um went back and forth on this and I

basically decided that you know this is

a little bit too weird for me thank you

and

goodbye um as I hung

up uh I had a very strange

feeling that maybe just maybe there was

something here he said he had a tape of

a space alien an

ET that was being held in a a a military

installation in

NADA uh I'm not sure it's a prisoner or

a guest um and uh he had this on

tape as we've already heard from Shawn

Morton and others this is not the first

time allegations have surfaced that the

US government is playing host to

extraterrestrial B ological entities or

ebees the first and most famous alleged

contact was the Roswell Flying Saucer

crash of

1947 this is the incident from which the

alien autopsy footage supposedly

originated but there have been

persistent rumors that not all of the

aliens retrieved from the Roswell crash

were dead the final fate of the

survivors if any is

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unknown 2 years later however ever in

1949 another alien is reported to have

survived a saucer crash and this being

known as ebe1 was taken into custody and

kept at a safe house ebe1 supposedly

suffered from chronic health problems

which the doctors of the time were

helpless to

treat according to a controversial

possibly fraudulent briefing document

dating from the Jimmy Carter

Administration ebe1 was interviewed by

means of pictographs from which it was

learned that he came from The Zeta

reticul star

system can we eliminate one or more of

these categories from

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discussion the laborious process of

developing a set of symbols that could

be used and understood by both human and

alien amounted to the creation of a new

language if such an effort was made it

represents the greatest achievement in

linguistics since the deciphering of the

Rosetta

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Stone that such an achievement would be

kept secret illustrates the hysterical

paranoia of the time as the Cold War

intensified under the threat of nuclear

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[Laughter]

Annihilation the so-called Carter

Aquarius briefing document states that

ebe1 died of unknown causes on June 18th

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1952 Skeptics who doubt the authenticity

of the Carter Aquarius document find it

unbelievable that highly Advanced alien

beings would allow one of their own to

die under the Primitive medical care of

a species that had barely begun to

conquer its own diseases

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but as we will hear there are those who

claim that to the aliens death is not a

final end to be feared but a mere

transition it was in the late 40s and

early 50s that the US government's

policy toward UFOs was formulated

publicly there was Project Blue Book

which made a great show of gathering

data on all the major UFO sightings

finally declaring them all to be hoaxes

Mass hysteria or swamp gas but secretly

there may have been another policy at

work over the years several documents

have come to light which seemingly

confirm that a clandestine group

operation Majestic 12 group akam

mj12 was formed by special classified

presidential order on September 24th

1947 for the express purpose of

gathering information on UFOs and

extraterrestrials while at the same same

time keeping such information not only

from unfriendly Powers but from the

American public as well if indeed Area

51 has become the nation's repository

for alien technology and possibly alien

visitors then the extra constitutional

justifications for such secrecy were

developed in the mj12 group's planning

sessions James B forestal Secretary of

Defense under President Harry Truman is

widely accused of being The Mastermind

behind the creation of

mj12 once created Majestic may have

expanded its mandate beyond what

forestal had

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intended whatever Secrets forestal may

have known concerning flying saucers and

alien visitors that knowledge died with

him when in 1949 he mysteriously plunged

to his death from a window at Bethesda

naval hospital though he was being

treated for depression many UFO

researchers doubt that his death was a

suicide and point to the Sinister

workings of the possibly mythical

mj12 which in their hypothesis may have

been protecting its secrecy from a man

who had come to believe the people had a

right to

know as late as 1989 according to Bob

Lazar the identification badges at Area

51 read M for Majestic in December

1994 a document reporting to be the

Majestic 12 group special operations

manual was leaked to a noted UFO

researcher it contains the following

directive Under The Heading isolation

and custody ebes will be detained by

whatever means are

necessary and removed to a secure

location as soon as

possible there follows this disturbing

amplification although it is preferable

to maintain the physical well-being of

any entity

the loss of Ebe life is considered

acceptable if conditions or delays to

preserve that life in any way compromise

the security of the

operations from the beginning of the UFO

age it seems secrecy was always the

government's prime

directive in 1988 another anonymous

government Source Cod named Falcon

claimed that a second extraterrestrial

biological entity eb2

voluntarily became a guest of our

government allowing himself to be

examined and

interviewed in this scenario Area 51

became for a time at least a sort of

extraterrestrial Embassy the setting for

Mankind's first attempt at diplomacy

with beings From Another

World different sources disagree as to

how communication was

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established there is universal agreement

that the ebees are incapable or

unwilling to speak human language in

addition to the pictographs used by ebe1

it has been reported by Falcon that in

the early 1950s eb2 was fitted with some

sort of artificial voice box allowing

owing him to speak words and that he

learned the English language very

rapidly other sources doubt the story

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however by our kind do you mean we

Americans what has been reported most

persistently is that the aliens

communicate via thought projection or

telepathy would have been tortur made to

give up their secrets instead of

questioning this friendly

manner we cannot be forced to

communicate has it been tried by us we

speak to who's ever willing to

listen the idea of telepathic

communication with alien beings carries

with it the same doubts and controversy

attached to telepathy itself do the

practitioners of this ancient art really

have the ability to read minds or are

they crafty charlatans who simply tell

the listener what he or she wants to

hear

if the cynics are right then the

self-proclaimed telepaths recruited by

the government in the 1950s were playing

an astoundingly daring hoax by claiming

to speak for the mute visitors from the

Stars Defenders of telepathy call this

notion Preposterous and point to the

long history of government funded

Research into mind reading as proof that

their science has

Merit in the last four decades there

have been persist istant often

contradictory rumors and even eyewitness

accounts of other alien visitors meeting

secretly with military or government

officials but what about

today the tester Corporation has

recently come out with a model kit of

gray the extraterrestrial life form and

a scale model of the so-called sport

model the UFO Bob Lazar says he studied

at Area

51 this UFO kit has quickly become one

of the the most successful model kits in

the history of the

company if the military is in fact

conducting tests of extraterrestrial

spacecraft at Area 51 then where are the

alien creators of these

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craft in his first TV appearance under

the pseudonym Dennis Bob Lazar was asked

if there are living aliens at Area 51

clearly nervous he evaded the question

by saying quote

I really want to steer away from that

right now

unquote in subsequent interviews however

he admitted catching a glimpse of two

scientists talking to a strange short

figure with long arms he also reported

seeing several documents that seem to

contain firsthand information on alien

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civilizations Lazar is skeptical of a

claim made by Falcon that a group of

ebees have been given given complete

control of a separate base within

Dreamland but he does admit having read

a report of a tragic misunderstanding

between military personnel and alien

beings in the late

70s Lazar states that it had to do with

bullets the MPS were

carrying and that the bullets might

explode possibly due to a field the

aliens had generated in that

area this encounter supposedly resulted

in in the deaths of all the humans

involved by head

wounds but if there was ever a large

scale alien Presence at Area 51 Lazar

saw no evidence of it doing his work at

S4 in the late 80s is it possible that

the deadly misunderstanding of 10 years

earlier brought human alien cooperation

to an end in his September 21st 1987

speech to the UN General Assembly

President Reagan himself did little to

dispel the notion that this deadly

misunderstanding brought human alien

cooperation to an end in our obsession

with antagonisms of the moment we often

forget how much unites all the members

of

humanity perhaps we need some outside

Universal threat to make us recognize

this common

bound I occasionally think how quickly

our differences worldwide would vanish

if we were facing an alien threat from

outside this world are the

inconsistencies between various Tales

coming out of Area 51 evidence that

these stories are lies or are the

discrepancies the result of an

intentional campaign of disinformation

designed to discredit any elements of

truth that may be reaching the

public if so how does Victor fit into

the jigsaw puzzle of questionable

witnesses to the alien Presence at Area

51 is he a hoer a government dupe or a

frightened whistleblower with the hard

evidence to back up his

story I made it very clear to Victor

that his credibility was the entire

issue here uh and that everybody's going

to think this is a hoax and that how are

they going to possibly verify this um

what he said was you can do anything you

want in terms of verified any type of

due diligence he will uh answer whatever

questions put forward um we could do

whatever type of checking we could bring

in experts we could have the tape tested

we could uh in fact he encouraged all of

these uh uh aspects um he just did not

want his face and his real name revealed

at Coleman's insistance Victor agreed

reluctantly to appear on camera but only

in Disguise in Shadow and with his voice

electronically altered the questions

were agreed upon in advance but during

the actual interview the discussion

occasionally deviated from Victor's

approved

questions what is your occupation at

Area 51 I won't answer that I have had

reason to be present at Area 51 but I'm

not going to clarify whether or not I

was there as an employee are you saying

you were there as a visitor I'm not

going to specify why or in what capacity

I was there only that I was there can

you tell us how many times you were

there when I agreed to this my

fundamental ground rule was that I would

not be asked to divulge personal data

that might help pinpoint my identity if

you continue to ask questions that are

out of bounds I won't hesitate to

terminate this interview are you saying

that the number of times you were

present at Area 51 is enough to pinpoint

your

identity any specifics will narrow the

field of suspects of course I could lie

let's say been there 47 times or anyway

more than once let's turn to the tape

itself the copy you've supplied is not

the original tape no was the original at

Area 51 when you copied it that's out of

bounds is it fair to assume that the

copying of tapes at Area 51 is heavily

restricted you can assume anything you

like I would say that's a fair

assumption that's

obvious I will say that this tape was

copied under special circumstances

otherwise copying it would have been

impossible can you be more

specific more

specific okay I'm sure they figured this

much out already recently there was a

wholesale transfer of video

documentation from analog tape to

digital disk storage and a couple of

instances this allowed data to leak from

a highest security system to a less high

security system even so this particular

tape was the

only I think that's about all I'll say

about that was there something about

this particular clip that made it more

accessible to be copied not necessarily

no was there something about the content

that caused them to file it differently

or give it special

handling this interview was

terminated the interview resumed only

after a discussion of the ground

rules have you personally seen the alien

being that appears in the tape yes I

have but I stress I was not necessarily

present at the interview session that

appears on the tape I'm not going to

specific I may have encountered the

being at another time what can you tell

us about the alien interview we're about

to

see this one is rather recent very late

in the series the interview process has

been ongoing since the being arrived

which was in

1989 approximately twice a month they

sit it down for a session that generally

lasts from 3 to 5 hours if they try to

go longer than that or if they schedule

the sessions more frequently the being

becomes

unresponsive there's a fair amount of

infighting among the scientists from

different disciplines to get their

questions asked what has the alien

revealed various minor technical details

of the saucers the physicists and

Engineers are frankly frustrated they

feel the being is withholding

information possibly concepts are

getting lost because all the information

has to come through a telepath but also

it may be that the bulk of their

scientific knowledge is just too

advanced to be translated into our

primitive conceptual

framework it's analogous to if a human

scientist were to try to translate

quantum mechanics into the grunts and

screeches of a chimpanzee that's not a

very flattering

comparison frankly there's a high

attrition rate for scientists in the

program you'd think they'd be energized

by the challenge but a lot of them take

uh the ego deflation very hard when they

find out not only how much they don't

know but how much they aren't even

capable of understanding what else has

the alien

communicated oddly enough being SE seems

to have a much easier time communicating

spiritual

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Concepts the the human

body is a vehicle

um a

vessel and the vessel must be maintained

to serve

this the

spirit with maximum efficiency

but a

broken vessel can be

replaced human Spirit or the

soul can have many vessels is the

process natural or

technological both are uh both are

one technology is

a

natural excrescence

of

humanity technology is a is is a

process the vessel uses to perfect

itself so this transference of the soul

from vessel to vessel did your kind

create the mechanics of it or is it a a

natural did it predate the intellectual

creation before understanding must come

acceptance and it's not

technological well I think what he's

trying to say is that the the question

is meaningless the soul can travel from

vessel to vessel reincarnation

Transfiguration whatever it's real what

I'm getting at is does he know how it's

done Victor uses the term vessels to

refer to the alien's conception of the

body as a disposable vehicle for the

soul the UFO cult known as Heaven's Gate

use the term containers in a similar

context the mass suicide of the Heaven's

Gate cultists illustrates the Dark Side

of accepting such ideas at face

value doe the Heaven's Gate cult leader

preached that humans can pass from

container to container the mysterious

Victor on the other hand Harbors no such

belief in his interview recorded months

before the Rancho Santa Fe tra

Victor made his attachment to his own

Earthly vessel abundantly clear and let

me just State here publicly to head off

any clever ideas anyone might be

having I have never been am not now and

never will be

suicidal but how would the public know

if something happened to you since we

don't know who you

are I'm taking care of that trust me if

something happens to me if I die people

know who I

am do you think it's a reassuring sign

that these aliens can communicate with

us on a spiritual plane it would be nice

to think so but I'm not sure if it's

really such an achievement considering

the mismatch between our intellects I

mean you're not going to have much luck

making your dog understand calculus but

if you pet him on the head and say good

dog aren't you communicating

spiritually and doesn't the Animal

control officer say good dog when he

comes to put some poor stray as sleep

doesn't the vet try to reassure the

animal just before he spays it when

you're dealing with beings whose

intellect is so far beyond your own I

don't think it's safe to assume they

have your best interests at heart what

about the content of the tape segment

you

brought as I said this is late in the

series in fact it's quite close to the

end because of his unwillingness to

reveal his own identity Victor's story

stands or falls on The credibility of

the tape he supplied here exclusively

for the first time anywhere is the uncut

uninterrupted alien interview tape shown

in its entirety in real time

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oh

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you removed the soundtrack from the tape

before you turned it over to this

program that's correct I can't allow the

voices of the project Personnel to be

heard by the general public there's a

very good chance their family or friends

on the outside might recognize them is

it your purpose in releasing this tape

to expose Area 51 to the world my

purpose is to expose the existence of

the aliens not compromise these

individuals I made the decision to come

forward I'm taking precautions to

protect my own identity and I don't

think it's fair for me to put these

others in danger of exposure in any case

the interview on the tape went nowhere

it was interrupted as you'll see can you

describe for us what we're

seeing all right we're looking at the

interview suite at

S4 uh it's kept dark for for the comfort

of the

aliens the uh figure who is just barely

visible in the left foreground is the

telepath and behind the camera is a r

seating area for observers although in

this case I believe the only other

person uh present was a military

aid the alien is seated behind a glass

partition in a biocontainment area which

is maintained at bios safety level two

the lowest designation

that's primarily for the uh protection

of the aliens not us the theory is that

if they were going to infect us with an

alien bug it would have happened 50

years

ago um in fact uh all the indications

are the aliens eliminated microbial and

viral life from their own ecosystem long

ago they aren't susceptible to our

diseases directly but it has been shown

that microbes can reproduce and form

colonies within their respiratory

systems which tends to exacerbate the

debilities they seem to suffer anyway in

our

environment uh in fact you can see here

the alien is beginning to

flag uh the interview was not going well

the telepath was trying to clarify some

points from a previous interview but he

wasn't receiving coherent

responses as you can see the being is in

real distress

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at this point the telepath is uh sending

out a message to the medical

staff

uh he's trying to communicate with the

alien but he's getting no

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response there's very little he can do

there's no direct connection between uh

his space and the biocontainment area

that's the aid stepping in on the

right uh the medical staff should be

there by now they're they're slow and

responding there they are I have to say

the medical personnel at S4 are less

than First Rate they tend to be selected

for their willingness to keep secrets

rather than their medical competence by

the way he's not shining that light into

the eyes it looks that way but in fact

he's checking for hemorrhaging around

the eye sockets and uh in the nasal

cavity

I'm

sorry it's very hard for me to watch

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this you're asking me if I think this is

real that I've have I finally seen a

space

alien

um you know I don't I don't know but I

do know this I know that this is not a

tricked up uh version like the alien

autopsy uh it doesn't attempt to

distract you away from the alien uh

doesn't have that Cinema verit black and

white uh it doesn't go to Great Lengths

to try to fool the audience straight

ahead it's an alien on tape pretty much

the way you'd probably film it

the point is this what if it is

real in evaluating the authenticity of

the alien interview tape the logical

place to begin is with the videotape

itself what can the technical details of

this recording tell us about its

origin rocket pictures sent Victor's

original tape to the Phoenix laboratory

of renowned image analyst Jim

delatosso using the most upto-date

digital technology delatosso tried to

determine the tape's authenticity I've

been exploring looking at different

aspects of the image

itself to develop

questions for a matrix on is it real or

is it fake I grabbed a frame in the

computer and we're outputting it now in

digital format and you can see that we

have an absolutely solid picture we've

done is

taken the picture and moved it over so

that we can look at the information

that's in between the frames

now when we look at the motion video we

can see that it still is not

bad and when we have this little

indicator down here it tells me

that the original image was

transferred using

some kind of timebase

corrector these are video screens up

here television video monitors and

they're off at an angle if this was shot

using a video camera with lines on it we

would see Mora patterns up there and we

don't see the Mora patterns so there's a

probability that this was shot

originally on film possibly a film stock

like 7252 or 7247 depending on the

lighting the idea that these images may

have originated on film is in direct

contradiction to Victor's statement that

the interview was shot on

video on closer inspection delatosso

decided the images could indeed have

been recorded by a video camera under

certain specific conditions in this case

uh I I get the the sense of it that this

was originally created

using

um either

film transferred telesin to Beta but

then this is the third generation or it

was taped under very low light

conditions with the uh video gain

boosted probably 12 DB even the

emotionless analysis of a computer

cannot provide a definitive answer

delatosso efforts yield tantalizing

hints but but in the end they only

increase the

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mystery one of the key things about this

creature are its eyes like the other

experts video analyst Jim delatosso was

emotionally affected by what he saw he

took the tape very seriously and offered

this personal opinion if someone faked

this I don't like these people I think

it's a bad thing for people to do

because

extraterrestrials come here it's an

incredibly important thing to understand

who they are and why are they coming

here if this is not

faked I think we've got a glimpse here

of a sense of of communication with

someone who came from a long distance

away when asked his opinion of the alien

interview Adair was careful to answer

only in terms of his own experience

if you're referring to the film where um

it's aliens being interrogated Area 51 I

don't know I've never seen a UFO in my

life I've never seen aliens pickled in a

jar or anything like that but I know I

saw an engine that wasn't from our

terrestrial technology if you look at an

engine like that it came out of a craft

if it come out of a craft then that

craft has occupants

so it's very logical to assume then that

uh those occupants could still be here

and they could be interrogating them or

they could have downed another craft

since

1971 makeup artist John Criswell has

provided special effects creatures for

many Hollywood Motion Pictures and

television shows such as spaced Invaders

and Babylon 5 hired by rocket pictures

to create the aliens for the recreation

segments of this program Chiswell was

very interested to finally see the real

thing by Hollywood standards I I would

say this is it's it's a pretty decent

puppet well to be honest with you I I

would love to buy this being real but

it's probably a hoax well I think this

is a really cool design and it's it's a

great concept but I think I could have

done better whoever did this I mean they

they could have a job in Hollywood in in

a minute um no problem this one has a

much creepier quality than the than the

alien autopsy tape I think

um that one that one I definitely didn't

buy just because of the of the way it

laid on the table um there was a couple

of things this actually whoever did this

was or if someone did this they were

very clever because it you know it it

hides a lot of stuff so that's what

makes me kind of disbelieve it a little

bit but you know who

knows chriswell thought the alien

exhibited movements that would be

difficult to fake there are there are

moments when

and it it this looks very real and and I

don't know how they did certain little

things about

this um so right right when I would say

that it's definitely a puppet he he

moves a certain way or he'll or he'll

lift up in the frame and all that and

all these little things are important to

the you

know to the character of

him Academy Award winner Rick Baker is

one of Hollywood's reigning masters of

makeup effects he transformed Eddie

Murphy into a 300lb man for the Nutty

Professor and has created monsters for

countless films including An American

Werewolf in London and the UFO related

Men In Black Baker dismissed the tape as

a

fake yeah I don't this this doesn't fool

me I don't buy this I think this is a

puppet and you've got a table in the

foreground that's hiding the rest of its

body you got some kind of that whatever

that instrument is in the foreground

it's hiding it's also lit very

mysteriously I think if you're were

going to record this alien you would

want to see it and you wouldn't want to

hide it behind a table and you would

lighted in in a way that it was show up

much more than

this this particular movement this head

jerking movement here especially looks

very puppy to me looks a little overdone

and uh and very much like a guy with his

hand inside this thing maning

it I guess he's supposed to be ill here

is that what's going on I

it it just looks like they went to a

great deal of effort to

hide as much of the anatomy other than

the head on this on this puppet and I

just I just don't buy it I would be

willing to stake my reputation on the

fact that I think this is

a

folks it's very interesting to see them

in baker's opinion there was no

controversy at

all it's a fake in my

opinion we could build better we have

built better

UFO expert Robert Dean on the other hand

had no doubt whatsoever that the tape

was authentic this is powerful because

this is not a staged event this is real

in the 1960s Robert o Dean served as an

Army intelligence Analyst at NATO

headquarters in Europe where he claims

to have seen firsthand evidence of alien

beings and their artifacts retired from

the Army he is now a highly regarded UFO

researcher and

analyst Dean was asked to view the tape

and offer his expert

opinion they're treating him like a

piece of

livestock wiping his lips calling on his

own firsthand experience for comparison

Robert Dean was stunned and moved by

what he saw that breaks my heart

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I think you've got

yourself a piece of legitimate footage

here and I think you've got your hands

on some pretty sensitive

material I don't know how the hell you

got

this and I don't know who you got it

from and frankly I don't want to know

who you got it

from but you got yourself a tiger by the

tail with this

footage I would say and I know that

that's one of the things you ask of me

is that you've got yourself some

legitimate footage of one of the little

guys being interrogated and filmed and

there's a reality to it and there's a

sensitivity to it that literally breaks

my heart but I tell you very much very

strongly you've got something here

that is very sensitive well I know the

level of classification on this kind of

a thing is so far damned Above Top

Secret that you won't even you can't

imagine how sensitive this kind of thing

is and how delicate it is and how

tightly the government sits on anything

like this Sean Morton looked for Clues

to the tape's authenticity in the

technical details of the interview

setting okay there's a couple of

interesting things about the tape right

off the bat Morton tried to decipher the

time code at the bottom of the

screen first off what you're looking at

the time code is dni's Department of

Naval intelligence so Department of Na

Naval intelligence this would this would

probably be a file number 27 it could be

a security level however um because

security levels are supposedly go up to

uh Q 36 are the highest ones that we

know about the first interesting thing

about that is that I'm noticing uh uh

what looks like a medical Monitor and

look at how slowly and erratic the

heartbeat is the heartbeat is literally

one two it's very very erratic and it

looks as though the the heartbeat being

as radic as it is is only

about from counting that it looks like a

it's a about 30 a minute or so Morton

suggested an alternate explanation for

the video's dim lighting one of the

unusual things about the about most of

these particular race of aliens is they

are very very sensitive to light so a

lot of these interviews are conducted in

um uh in very darkened

rooms to Morton's eye many features of

this alien dovetailed with accounts of

other firsthand

contactees uh another strange thing

about the physiognomy of these creatures

is as well is if you will notice that

the that the neck itself is not at the

back of the head like a human being is

the neck is actually in the center of

the head which is what actually gives

gives it problems uh holding its head

and its and its neck up

um whatever this is it's being taken the

interview is actually being done through

a piece of

glass uh which is probably something

somebody fake faking the photo

photographs probably wouldn't think

about right there we see that the the

creature appears to be

choking the the dark eyes in many cases

uh are actually a form of lens um that

guards the creature against UNT sunlight

it's a it's a remarkable piece of

footage I mean it's very very very very

interesting if it's a if it's a hoax

it's um it's it's very well done if it's

um if it's not then I would say it's

probably

revolutionary another expert who was

asked to examine the tape was Michael

Hessman one of Europe's leading UFO

researchers and author of The

International bestseller Beyond

Roswell when I got the first information

about the alien interview footage and

when I saw the first picture I said

there might be a connection to a real

incident hessan was intrigued both by

the alien's appearance and by Victor's

claim that that the being arrived at

Area 51 in

1989 if it is authentic it might be the

most significant film ever published

ever shown on television for several

years now hessan has been investigating

reports that the South African Air Force

shot down a flying saucer in the

Kalahari Desert in

1989 according to Hessman sources two

survivors were retrieved from the down

saucer one was sent to Wright Patterson

Air Force Base in Ohio and the other to

Area

51 the Extraterrestrial in Victor's tape

Bears a striking resemblance to

descriptions of the Kalahari ET and the

timing of its appearance at Area 51 is

consistent with the South African

incident if you see the drawings we have

of the kalahar alien and the

descriptions we have it seems to be the

same being and the Kalahari incident

puts the alien interview footage into a

context and gives it at least a

probability that it might be real it

might be the real stuff you just don't

know whitle streber best-selling author

of communion claims to have had numerous

personal contacts with alien beings he

has become the deao spokesman for the

growing number of people who claim to

have been abducted by

extraterrestrials the nationally

syndicated television program strange

Universe asked streber and several other

abductees to view the alien interview

tape what streber saw left him

profoundly

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shaken streber would not agree to be

interviewed on camera for this program

but on strange Universe he had this to

say

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on May 23rd 1997 Victor gave a radio

interview on the nationally syndicated

show Coast to Coast a.m. with Art Bell

speaking by telephone from an unknown

location Victor answered questions from

host Art Bell and his guest UFO expert

Shawn Morton from the kingdom of NY

Coast to Coast AM continues with artbell

it is going to be a very interesting

morning uh let's see if we've got Victor

on the line Victor are you there I'm

here welcome to the program Victor

afterwards this is what bell and Morton

had to say about Victor's credibility

what a hell of an interview huh boy oh

boy talk about making history on the

radio it was as far as I could tell he

answered every question properly as far

as exactly where the locations are to

the you know descriptions of the you

know the transports the 737s to the uh

to the CTS 43s um the retinal scans the

five levels at

S4 a veteran of countless controversial

interviews Art Bell still found himself

impressed by his encounter with Victor

in the first um I think half hour I

sensed that I was uh getting uh a kind

of a runaround or that I was not

satisfied with the quality of the

answers that I was being

given but as the interview

progressed and Victor to some degree

began to

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relax I began to uh get a different

sense and that was that um he was

telling me the truth

I think Victor was scared I think Victor

really is

scared and so I my judgment of the

interview after about the first oh maybe

20 minutes half hour is that we began to

get some real information it was a

significant

Milestone there's no question about

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that in Broadcasting

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if the government has really been in

contact with Superior

aliens wouldn't we see some evidence of

it for instance amazing new scientific

discoveries Limitless free energy a cure

for cancer we might if the government's

motive were the betterment of mankind

the government's motive is control and

just as much as they crave control they

fear loss of control knowledge is power

but power does not necessarily confer

competence the people at the top of this

program are intellectually very average

they're not capable of making proper use

of what's been handed to them but they

have no intention of letting anyone else

ever get a chance to solve the puzzle

and let's not forget there's also the

real possibility that the government is

being manipulated by the

extraterrestrials for their own purposes

you could have released this tape to the

news media but you insisted on being

paid for it doesn't that cast doubt on

your own motives yes and I was aware of

that going in but that's a cross

unprepared to bear I find it disgusting

that the most important event in human

history is being kept secret simply

because certain unimaginative officials

have the power to do so but at the same

time I do see the irony in my own

actions all I can say is had I had the

choice I would not have insisted on

profiting from this Revelation but since

by lifting this Veil I've endangered not

only my career but possibly my life I

felt the need for some small measure of

monetary freedom to deal with any

eventualities and let me say I could

have demanded significantly more money

than I did if I had been willing to

compromise my anonymity there have been

other whistleblowers who jumped at the

chance to become celebrities which I

think casts even more doubt on their

motives than some people may be casting

on mine do you believe your life is in

danger as a result of making this tape

public I would hope not

I would like to think my government is a

little more civilized than that but at

the same time I don't intend to give

them the chance to prove me wrong at any

rate to a certain extent I'm counting on

being disbelieved obviously they would

like me to be perceived as a

hoer if something were to happen to me

if I should die suddenly in a freak

accident it would obviously lend

Credence to my story and I assume they

understand that and will act or not act

accordingly why should anyone believe

this tape is authentic

use your own judgment that's all any of

us can do there's been so much secrecy

and disinformation over the last 50

years that it's become impossible to

prove anything in the face of official

denial of course the flip side is nobody

really believes anything the government

says Robert Dean heads a growing

movement lobbying Congress to release

former NASA intelligence and military

officials from their security Oaths so

they can talk openly about us

involvement with UFOs and Aliens as

early as 49 your government knew we were

dealing with extraterrestrial

intelligence and then it sort of blew up

more and more every year there were more

more discoveries more conclusions more

contacts and as you probably know we

have indeed retrieved crashed

hardware and we have reverse engineered

it and we have indeed been flying some

of that

Hardware in this base not too too many

miles outside of Nellis near Las

Vegas Dean believes the time has come

for the government to tell the people

what it knows the truth has got to come

out we're over 30 years too late the

people not only have a right to know

they have a need to

know and damn it that's I stand in this

belief and I will stay say this and

stand by this to the day I die Congress

has the

responsibility Congress has the

obligation to the

people to the

Constitution and to the

nation did this alien

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die I can't answer that that with

certainty I do know the interviews came

to an

end whether the being died or was

retired and I don't mean that in the Spy

Thriller sense of having it killed I

mean retired from the interview process

I just don't know I'm fairly certain it

didn't go home at least not in the

physical sense but these beings they

don't seem to be very concerned about

dying or avoiding death why do you think

that

is maybe they know what comes after

death with more con idence than we do

maybe there's another vessel waiting for

them on the other side the other side

yes which may in fact be where they come

from in the first

place uh I've heard the claims that they

come from Zeta reticula or the pleades

but it hasn't been established that they

come from out there at all their saucers

may not travel through space as we know

it they may fold in From Another

Dimension another reality you make them

sound almost Supernatural like Angels or

Devils Supernatural is just a term for

aspects of nature we don't understand

for many people they certainly do serve

the functions of both angels and Devils

forces forces we can't

comprehend have you had enough of me I

think I've earned my

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money is seeing

believing can the images on this little

tape really be what Victor claims to

even take the question seriously

requires a belief in the possibility of

Wonder a willingness to accept an almost

unimaginable

truth it's far easier and safer to label

it a

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hoax I'm standing on Nevada Highway

375 America's official extraterrestrial

Highway redesignated last year by the

legislature and a nement of the

worldwide Fame that has become attached

to this desolate

spot Beyond those mountains is Area 51

the most widely discussed secret place

on Earth whether as a hoax or M

expanding

Revelation this alien interview is now a

part of the area 51

Legend there will come a day when the

secrecy at Area 51 ends when that day

comes then we will know whether this

tape was real and what the true motive

was for its sudden

appearance until then we can only

speculate

investigate and Hope

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