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10122 what an incredible experience to meet such
an incredibly brilliant man as mishio Kaku he's a

a professor at New York University but one of the
fathers of the theoretical physics concept called

string theory mind-blowing stuff he acknowledges
the reality of the phenomenon in a way that

very few scientists are prepared to do publicly
Professor Kaku the debunkers the the Skeptics they

say there is no evidence of anomalous phenomena
that really the the gimbal the goast the Tic Tac

videos they don't prove anything what do you say
to that I'm a physicist we live and die with the

data we go where the data goes even if we have to
be drag Kicking and Screaming into areas that we

feel uncomfortable with we go where the data
goes and the gold standard the gold standard

for the data is multiple sightings by multiple
modes now think about that throughout history

people would say look look Martha look I see
something up there well maybe you did or maybe

you didn't that is not reproducible and it's
only you and perhaps you were drunk that day

or perhaps you really did encounter something
it's not conclusive what we need is multiple

sightings by multiple modes meaning more than one
person has seen something up there independently

verified it with multiple modes that is radar
infrared sensors Optical sensors multiple ways

in which we can then triangulate and then give
you the data of what was up there and that's

why those US Navy sightings from firstly 2004
and more recently right through to the present

day are so important because they're getting
multiple data on different platforms the recent

pressure by Congress on the military has forced
the military to own up to the fact that it's

sitting on hours hours of videotapes of something
that is up there in the sky and that many of the

military men who've seen these things were told
not to make waves don't make waves if you want

to like make sure that your career is on the right
track and so now the floodgates are being open in

other words the burden of proof is now shifting
it used to be that the burden of proof was on

the individual to prove that there was something
up there and that he wasn't drunk now the burden

of proof is on the military to prove that these
objects aren't extraterrestrial what do you say

that though why do you say that the burden of
proof is reversed I mean your detractors have

suggested you're going a bit far there why do
you say that we go where the data goes and the

data goes in the direction of s we follow the
data and the data indicates that something is

out there that can be tracked by radar infrared
centers tracked optically that can travel between

Mach 5 five times the speed of sound up to mach
20 now think about that for a moment up to mach

20 this is far beyond commercial aircraft and yet
here we have sightings that can be triangulated

and analyzed using these videotapes we have
gone frame by frame over the trajectories of

these objects and we now realize that they can
exceed the capabilities of our aircraft they can

drop 70 80,000 ft within just a matter of a few
seconds they can zigzag and we physicists now

have calculated the G forces inside these whatever
they are the G forces are in the hundreds of times

of the force of gravity that it turn any human
into PE soup in other words it would crush the

bones of any object any any organism that we're
familiar with and so these objects are probably

uh drones of some sort uh because they can exceed
the capabilities of our aircraft and put pressures

on the pilots that would crush their bones now
the two intelligence experts from the US defense

department who gave evidence on the 17th of May
to Congress Ron maltry Scott Bray two of the top

officials in the pentagon's intelligence section
they suggested very strongly that these were

drones these anomalous objects to your knowledge
though is there any known terrestrial human

technology that is capable of what these objects
have been seen doing well if these objects can

do what the data seems to indicate then they
exceed the capabilities of even our drones we

have Hypersonic drones that can go up to mach
20 but they're unstable the United States had

a very vigorous Hypersonic drone program up to two
years ago but abandon it because when these things

begin to maneuver they spiral out of control and
then crash that's why the Russians are pushing

this technology because they want to evade a Star
Wars program by having maneuverable Rockets but

you see that's the problem once they start to
maneuver then small oscillations build up until

they spiral out of control and then crash so so
far no one's been able to create a Hypersonic

drone that can that can duplicate the Feats that
we see on videotape do you see any evidence to

justify a conclusion that these might be foreign
adversaries well when you look at the pentagon's

um statement on these objects it lists the various
possibilities weather anomalies and so on and so

forth and at the end the last option is other now
what does that mean other well we realize that

the Chinese have a Hypersonic drone program
the Russians have an operational Hypersonic

drone program that they're using in the Ukraine
the United States is now re reinvigorating and

refinancing see is Hypersonic drone program but
these are all experimental and the track record

of these Hypersonic drones is not very good and
you realize that these sightings go back decades

decades before anyone even conceived of hypersonic
drones so what are they so we're left with the

last option and that is other and other includes
well maybe a renegade country just like if you

watch James Bond movie there's always some Smur
or Spectre out there that has a secret program

with access to Advanced Technology maybe a James
Bond type uh secret organization and for the first

time the military is not immediately excluding the
possibility of their being extraterrestrial this

is new in other words one military official was
quoted as saying quote they are not ours and if

they're not ours then whose are they if they're
not the Chinese if they're not the Russians if

they're not us then what's left could it be
ET so we're left with the possibility now and

the military is now owning up to this that they
could be extraterrestrial and this is new before

the military would try to debunk these things
saying that maybe they're stealth bombers uh

maybe they're Chinese or the Russian technology
the but the military is now admitting that yeah

they they're not ours do you think the United
States knows a lot more than it's letting on the

question is is the United States hiding something
well of course I mean we pay spies to keep secrets

not to divulge secrets we pay generals to win
Wars not to lose Wars of course there's going to

be a stockpile of stuff if I was in the military
and I was in charge of this material I too would

be stockpiling lot of this material but the key
thing is is much of this data is now slowly being

revealed and the data you go where the data goes
and the data points to a technology that seems to

exceed our capabilities even today you are one
of America's most highly respected theoretical

physicists I reckon you've got networks are you
hearing anything in the traps is there a a program

going on are there physicists who are working for
some secret government program that you know of

well there are physicists who do work for secret
programs uh one of them is Jason for example some

of the top physicists that I knew personally have
actually worked for Jason uh but to my knowledge

working on flying saucers and stuff like that is
not part of their of their mandate however working

on extraterrestrial modes of transportation is and
so these organizations have in fact looked at what

it takes to create an object that can can exceed
the speed of light are they anywhere near it do

you think no I've seen a lot of the proposals
uh by people from Jason and by other groups

like DARPA that have looked at this in fact NASA
had a 100-year Starship program a program whose

official title was the 100e Starship and they
said that within a 100 Years nope we're still

not going to be able to approach a going faster
than the speed of light but is it possible to

exceed the speed of light and the answer is yes
now sorry just for a moment sir I mean I thought

Albert Einstein's theory of relativity made it
absolutely impossible to exceed the speed of

light people forget that Einstein had two theories
not one theory of relativity the first Theory says

yes Einstein is the cop on the Block you cannot go
faster than the speed of light that's the special

theory of relativity but later he created a more
powerful general theory of relativity ity that

showed that space itself is like a fabric a fabric
that can be stretched and perhaps even ripped and

if you could rip the fabric of space and time then
we're now talking about hyperdrive Technologies so

there's a chap called miguell aluer who came up
with this hypothetical concept of the aluer drive

can you explain to us what the implications are of
his theoretical possibility there are actually two

ways you can break the light barrier consistent
with Einstein's theory of general relativity the

first was actually proposed by Einstein himself in
1935 in 1935 he looked at a black hole which looks

like a funnel a funnel Things fall into the black
hole and then you put two of them two of them back

to back so that if you fell into this funnel you
would come out the other end and that's called

a wormhole which Ein worked out with his student
Nathan Rosen back in 1935 and you can actually go

faster than the speed of Life by Going Through
the Wormhole now you've seen this before as a

child you've seen this before the first reference
to a wormhole in the English language was done by

Charles Dodson otherwise known as Lewis Carroll
in the book Through the Looking Glass the Looking

Glass is the Wormhole Alice sticks her hand
Through the Wormhole and her hand goes to

the other side of forever which is Wonderland so
that is the first way that you might exceed the

speed of light using Einstein's general theory
of relativity as proposed by Einstein himself

in 1935 and what's the second proposed way the
second proposal to exceed the speed of flight

is to stretch space let's say you're walking on
a carpet and you crumple up the space in front

of you and expand the space behind you and
then all you do is hop over the carpet so in

other words you don't go to the Stars the stars
come to you you are literally yanking the stars

in your direction and then you're simply hopping
over the distance now I want to take you through

there's some complicated ideas here but I've had
the privilege of interviewing the former head of

the pentagon's UAP program a guy called Lou Elis
condo and he uses this term the five observables I

think he talks about instantaneous velocity uh
uh massively High velocities um positive lift

stealth and transm medium travel so there are five
things that these objects have been recorded doing

shown by the data is what these five observables
are showing consistent with cubia theory is if

somebody's flying a craft that's operating using
that stretching of SpaceTime and warping of space

time if you like is that is that what would
explain what we're seeing with these objects

in the sky well I'll be honest there's a catch
there's always a catch always catch or else we

would have had hyperdrive technology yesterday
right what's the catch the catch is energy you

need fabulous amounts of positive and negative
energy in order to propel yourself so that you

could exceed the speed of light for example the
Wormhole solution we find wormhost soluions when

we analyze black holes but a black hole requires
the the energy of maybe uh 10 to 50 stars so

we're talking about Stellar amounts of energy
and the same thing for the ALCO beer Drive in

order to create a warp bubble a warp bubble in
which you can then hop over compressed space

requires fabulous am amounts of positive and
negative energy uh the latest calculation that

I've seen says that you have to have energy
comparable to the mass of Jupiter not a star

but just Jupiter in order to drive these things
so in other words what we're talking about is a

very advanced technology which is not for us we're
talking about energy on a scale that exceeds the

energy of the solar system okay but somebody's
doing that aren't they I mean these objects do

you think that what these anomalous objects are
they do appear to be intelligently controlled

don't they when you talk to the average physicist
about going faster than the speed of light you get

what is called the giggle Factor their eyes kind
of like roll up to the heavens and they start to

laugh and giggle and they say look the distance
between stars is so great that it would take

thousands of years to reach the nearby stars and
what what uh saying extraterrestrial civilization

ation is going to invest thousands of years to
reach the planet Earth it's just not not common

sense however that assumes that the aliens are
maybe a hundred years more advanced than us open

your mind to the possibility that they could be
thousands millions of years more advanced than

us then new forms of technology begin to open
up we're not talking about the very edge of

our understanding of the quum Theory and general
relativity at that point new phenomenon start to

enter into the picture phenomenon that allow you
to exceed the speed of light Stephen Hawking the

late great cosmologist even said that yes with
wormholes it may be possible to break the light

barrier using Einstein's theory and the quantum
theory and so open your minds to the possibility

that they could be millions of years ahead of us
so that's the theoretical possib possibilities

that you say are plausible possible something's
doing that though isn't it in our atmosphere

under our ocean in Orit when we talk about going
fast in the speed of light you have to leave the

technology of the planet Earth we physicists rank
civilizations by energy a type one civilization is

planetary they control the weather they control
earthquakes volcanoes anything planetary they

control sort of like living in the world of Buck
Rogers or Flash Gordon then there's type two which

is Stellar these civilizations control the power
of a star the output of a star like for example

a Dyson Sphere which envelops an entire star and
uses that energy to propel its machines and then

we have type three type three is the energy of
a galaxy they roam the galactic space Lanes now

Star Trek for example would be a typical type two
civilization you can colonize a few star systems

but not much more than the so-called Alpha sector
of the Milky Way galaxy that's Star Trek Star

Wars would be type three where you roam across the
galactic space Lanes now these civilizations that

we're hypothesizing about can they have hyperdrive
and the answer is possibly yes by the time you're

type three you can access the plun energy the plun
energy is the energy you find in the heart of a

black hole the Big Bang it's the point at which
space becomes unstable wormholes start to emerge

is this also what they call Zero Point Energy this
is beyond Zero Point Energy this is the ultimate

energy of the universe itself the plank energy
that's the energy that I work with when I publish

papers I publish at the plank energy the energy at
which space and time become unstable for example

let's say I have some water and I heat it up what
happens it starts to boil bubbles form that expand

and you get what's called a phase transition
now let's talk about empty space empty space

that's heated up heated up to the plun energy
what happens bubbles form little bubbles these

bubbles are wormholes gateways to perhaps other
parts of space and time and so these bubbles is

probably how our universe got started our universe
was probably one of these bubbles floating in the

vacuum and one of these bubbles expanded to
create our universe so if you are type three

you can begin to play with baby universes you can
begin to play with the plank energy the energy at

which space becomes unstable that space becomes
full of Bubbles and these bubbles are gateways

statistically knowing the incredible awesome size
of our universe there's every likelihood absolute

certainty really isn't there that there
are civilizations non-human civilizations

out there far more advanced than us when you look
at pictures from the web Space Telescope and the

Hubble Space Telescope realize that many of these
pictures are just one little pinpoint one little

pinpoint in the night sky magnified to give these
gorgeous pictures you see on the TV right well

that little dot that pinpoint of light contains
trillions of stars each dot in that photograph

that you see on National Television each dot
is a Galaxy that's a 100 billion stars in each

Dot and how many dots are there in that pinpoint
billions what we're talking about is a photograph

of trillions trillions of stars think about about
that for a moment the probability that we're the

only game in town is a fraction the inverse of
trillions and so you begin to realize that of

course they're out there of course why should we
be special for example look at what we're made out

of we're made out of proteins and amino acids we
find them in the heart of meteors we find amino

acids in gas clouds mbula thousands of light ears
from the planet Earth we see the ingredients of

light the amino acids everywhere we look in the
universe so if I ask Professor mitaku are we alone

what do you say people ask the question are we
alone my attitude is of course what took you so

long let's look then at the phenomena as it's
being recorded on all those sensor systems that

we're describing let's just focus for example on
the 400 incidents that the US now admits formally

to the Congress a real unidentified aerial
phenomena they can't explain them Professor

they appear to be intelligently controlled
do you agree so far the evidence seems to

point in the direction that if these objects are
extraterrestrial and I'm not saying they are but

if they are extraterrestrial then it requires a
level of intelligence that exceeds what we have

exceeds the technology of the plan planet Earth
the implications of that then are that we're

being visited you can't um I'm a physicist you go
where the data goes and when data point points in

the direction that we might be visited it's a
possibility that we cannot neglect I mean are

we the only sensient beings in the in the universe
I don't think so let me give you then the uh the

classic rejoinder that you get from the Skeptics
they say come on what why would aliens be visiting

this planet why would anybody care a toss you know
I mean we're probably an insignificant bunch of

carbon related to everything else in the universe
why would they be bothered taking an interest in

humanity let's say you walking down a country road
and you encounter a forest and you encounter a

squirrel do you go down to the squirrel and talk
to it well initially you may be curious about the

squirrel and you want to like say a few things but
after a while you get bored because the squirrel

doesn't talk back to you but do you encounter
these squirrels yeah but for the most part you

leave them alone we are perhaps the squirrels in
the forest and any intelligent civilization that

can span across Stars would simply say well yeah
they're curious they're interesting let's study

them but for the most part we'll leave them alone
but if that is the case if really they're not that

fuss about us they do appear to be taking
a close interest in things like uh nuclear

weapons facilities whatever they are there is a
high prevalence statistically of uaps that have

been witnessed over nuclear weapons facilities
nuclear power plants places where the United

States develops and processes uranium there are
two theories as to why we have an extraordinary

number of sightings at military installations
one Theory says that they're curious about how

advanced we are I mean at some point Point can
we destroy ourselves what happens if a war breaks

out is our civilization unstable so that's one
possibility but there's another possibility and

that other possibility is that's where the cameras
are that's where the seasoned Pilots are that's

where we have aircraft not in the middle of the
ocean but no next to weapons facilities where we

have a concentration of electronic technology of
course we're going to see more sightings there

because that's where the technology is not because
they're more curious ious about us and our weapons

program so do you think it's quite plausible
that there is an alien civilization that's been

taking an interest in planet Earth for quite some
time there are some people who claim that perhaps

these visitations go back thousands of years
not just back to World War II if you look at

the Bible for example there are sightings in the
Bible uh Ezekiel talks about the wheel the Wheel

in the Sky for example in the chapter on Ezekiel
so then the question is where we visited in the

past well I'm a physicist we believe in data
that is testable reproducible falsifiable and

it's not testable it's not reproducible whether
or not we were visited uh in biblical times but

it cannot be dismissed there are a number of
philosophers commentators scientists who've

indicated that they've been approached privately
by the US government sections of the military

the intelligence services to prepare America for
the possibility of extraterrestrial life the the

philosopher Sam Harris said as much in a podcast
last year have you had any approaches from the US

government yourself you'd be a perfect person to
explain it I personally am a little bit skeptical

about plans of scientists and politicians to
prepare for an encounter with an extraterrestrial

civil ization cuz I've talked to the C people and
the S people are the people on the front lines

they are the ones taking all the flak they're the
ones in the front line talking about this and I

asked them what about the protocols what about the
press releases what about governments the United

Nations what role are they going to play where
are the plans and their attitude is they don't

exist there are no plans do you believe that yeah
I believe there are no plans because politicians

always drag at the tail okay very rarely do you
have a politician who farsighted and see the

future no they see the past and as a consequence
they don't want to have the giggle Factor thrown

at them they don't want to have people roll their
eyes every time a politician starts to talk about

these ancient civilizations uh basically they hide
their rear so so what do you one of America's most

eminent theoretical physicists say to people
watching this who might be thinking you uos

uaps they're just a bit of a giggle seriously they
don't need to be taken seriously if it turns out

that we have in fact been visited by an advanced
civilization this would be this let me take that

if it does turn out that we have been visited and
it could be proven by an advanced civilization

then that would be the greatest moment in the
history of the human race it would be a pivotal

event in the history of homo sapiens on the planet
Earth the realization that we are not alone and

then of course we have to begin the process
of analyzing the question who are these people

what do they want how can we relate to these
people these are cosmic questions and so this

is perhaps one of the greatest questions facing
the history of the human race what happens if we

make an encounter have you coped criticism from
your professional colleagues to the way in which

you're putting yourself out there conceding the
possibility that this might be extraterrestrial

in the early days if you were a scientist and you
begin to make statements about public policy your

friends would shake their heads and say oh there
he goes again uh that's passed uh because of the

fact that so many times the people that have
raised these criticisms were correct so many

times the naysayers so many times the people that
were skeptical turned out to be right and so times

have changed there's been a sea change there's
been a change in the way the scientific Community

looks at this why do you think the Pentagon
probably one of the most secretive organizations

on the planet by necessity why do you think it's
suddenly becoming more open and transparent about

UFOs uaps we're witnessing a sea change in the
attitude of the military and the establishment

they're now owning up to the fact that there are
hundreds of hours of videotapes that our Pilots

have now stated that for days for days they
would see these things flying around military

installation not just one encounter but for days
and hours they would see these things happening

why is the military owning up to it because the
politicians are now beginning to say hey maybe

there is something there that is a national
security threat and why are these people the

politicians beginning to say these things because
of pressure from Below that is the average person

is now beginning to say hey wait a minute maybe we
should spend a little bit of our taxpayers money

to investigate these things that puts pressure
on the politicians who then put pressure on the

military the military is owning up to these things
Kicking and Screaming they're owning up to these

things because of course for them secrecy is the
name of the game I wasn't ready to understand

until I looked at the old documents going right
back to the Robertson panel that started 1952 the

year of the Washington flyover over Washington DC
of a whole cluster of alleged UFOs I wasn't ready

for the fact that the documents show very clearly
there's been a deliberate policy of disinformation

of stigmatizing ridiculing public discussion about
UFOs for the last 50 60 years are you aware of

that and do you think that explains a large part
of the kickback that you get from talking about

this subject the fact that there's been a lot
of so-called debunking especially in the early

days uh my attitude is of course of course you're
going to get debunking okay because we're talking

about Cosmic questions that impinge upon National
Security our role in the universe or understanding

of who we are of course there's going to be a lot
of debunking going on back then I would have been

one of the debunkers too realizing that hey are we
ready for this information well are we ready let's

assume this is is extraterrestrial which even
I noticed ail Haynes the Director of National

Intelligence conceded was a possibility if this
is ET are we ready I there's been a change in

public attitude because Hollywood has pretty much
created the new mythology it used to be demons and

and Gremlins and leprechauns that people dreamt
about at night and feared now it's aliens from

out of space and some of them could be friendly
like ET and so I think the American public is

ready for information about an encounter with an
extraterrestrial civilization however I draw the

line when it comes to advertising our existence
to alien civilizations there's some physicists

and scientists who say that we should beam into
outer space messages saying here we are we are

located in this quadrant of the mil Way galaxy you
can visit us cuz you can triangulate our location

this is the level of our technology come and get
it I think that is fool hearty because look what

happened to uh monuma when he met Cortez montazuma
made perhaps the biggest mistake in ancient

history he assumed that Cortez was a God in fact
he was a bloodthirsty pirate but what did Cortez

have he had steel the Aztecs had bronze weapons
they were a Bronze Age civilization Cortez had

the horse the Aztec had never seen a horse before
Cortez had the written language the Aztec had a

pictoral language Cortez had Gunpowder the Aztec
had bows and arrows and within just a few months

the entire Aztec civilization crumbled so I think
it's a bad idea to advertise our existence to any

alien civilization out of space until we know who
they are what they want and how advanced they are

back in the 1960s The Brookings institution did a
paper that suggested that the world wasn't ready

America wasn't ready for the whole idea of the
possibility of extraterrestrial life because of

religious beliefs do you think that the notion
of extraterrestrial life is incompatible with

conventional religious ideas in the year 1600
there was a former monk Geodon Bruno who was

burned alive in the streets of Rome because
he said they were aliens in outer space and

if you go to Rome today you can go to the plain
of flowers the very spot where he was burned

alive and there's a statue of him a statue of him
pointing to the heavens and it indicates that hey

maybe civilization has grown up a bit that in 1600
we burn them we don't burn astronomers anymore we

don't burn scientists anymore like they used to
in the year 1600 so I think that the people are

more accustomed to the idea that the universe is
huge that our Earth is not the only planet out

there that can sustain intelligent life and so
I think the public would be more welcoming the

idea that there could be other civilizations out
there let's talk about what's the most plausible

explanation for the apparent intelligently
controlled technology that we're seeing this

anomalous phenomena represent if it's not foreign
adversaries if it's unlikely to be some kind of

James bondan Dr No character that's concealed
their incredible developments away from the rest

of humanity isn't the most plausible explanation
that this is some other intelligent life looking

at all these videotapes okay I've come to
two conclusions one conclusion is you have

to be very careful some of these sightings are
optical illusions so you have to eliminate them

very carefully the other possibility is they are
not ours that they represent a technology that is

hundreds thousands of years more advanced than us
and if they can go between Stars it means they're

up to maybe a million years more advanced than
us so the idea that some of them are caused by

optical illusions that has to be looked at very
seriously because an object that moves very slowly

across your field division if you don't know how
far it is you could think that it's very far away

and zipping along like this when it's actually a
piece of dust or an insect that just slowly flying

across your field of vision and that's why I
find I get sent hundreds thousands of videos

from people who've held up their mobile phones and
filled some filmed something flying across the sky

nine times out of 10 it's a waste of time because
there's no refence point to make a judgment as to

how far away that object was the difference here
though is that we now do have incontrovertible

data from the US Navy in particular there's a sad
story that set the pace for the 1980s and 90s in

1986 there was a Japan Airlines flight going over
Alaska three seasoned Pilots they saw something

they saw three objects tailing them and it was
not just these three Pilots visually tracking

these things it was tracked by radar and they
communicated with the ground controllers they

were tracking this thing what happened afterwards
these Pilots were demoted they were given desk

jobs and their careers were pretty much over but
you see here we have a new gold standard emerging

multiple sightings by multiple modes three season
Pilots visually locking onto an object tracking

it with radar ground radar as well and they were
just given desk jobs now that Japanese Airlines

story you're talking about is very important
because there was also a cover up at this end

in the United States there was a chap called
John Callahan in the FAA your federal airports

Administration Aviation Administration and he
described how the CIA your Central Intelligence

Agency came in and ordered that it would take
possession of all of the the radar data all

of the recordings the audio recordings of what
transpired during that sighting between the air

traffic controllers in Anchorage and the pilots
in the aircraft why would the US want to cover

up this kind of interesting data why not just be
open the question is why did the military cover

up all these things and the answer is very clear
it was the Cold War because of the cold war the

military did a lot of things that in hindsight
seem kind of silly for example take a look at

Roswell let's not get into the details of what
happened at Roswell back in 1947 but why was there

this massive coverup of the Roswell incident when
it was maybe a weather balloon or who knows what

it was it was because the United States military
was conducting secret unauthorized experiments

releasing radioactive materials into people's
backyard now today that would be considered Ed

outrageous we would be suing people left and right
if looking at cancer rates going up but back then

we did not know exactly how radiation spread
in an environment because Hiroshima was only

just two years before therefore the military
authorized weather balloons to then release

radioactive materials into people's backyard okay
that's why the military had to hush up this whole

Roswell thing regardless of whether or not they
were real aliens there because of the Cold War

that's why there was so much secrecy but the cold
war ended supposedly 30 years ago and yet we're

still covering up why uh well I don't know you
have to ask the military about that one I mean

the fact that the military had covered up these
things for decades is clear because of the cold

war we didn't know what the Russians had we were
doing experiments on our side that were considered

unethical because we thought the Russians were do
it uh there's something called MK Ultra MK Ultra

was this incredibly large program to develop
hypnotic materials drugs hypnosis psychics uh

in order to win the war against Russia crazy
experiments that we would laugh at today but

they were authorized and funded generously at
America's top universities for decades and so

the military definitely was in the business of
covering up and authorizing incredibly stupid

experiments I asked you earlier about religion
and the impact that you thought the revelations of

potential alien life might have on establishment
religion you've written a book yourself recently

uh about God you've engaged with the possibility
that the theoretical physics that you're exploring

isn't incompatible with the idea of God now one
of the people you've named Steven Hawking he he

suggested that God didn't fit in to the Big
Bang Theory there was no room for God why do

you disagree the late Stephen Hawking had very
sharp opinions about God and the creation of the

universe according to Einstein's general theory
relativity the Big Bang was almost instantaneous

and therefore Stephen Hawkins said aha there
was no time there was no time for God to create

the universe it just happened just like that and
therefore before God could not possibly exist but

you see that's an old Theory we don't necessarily
believe that anymore because we now believe that

the Big Bang was a Quantum event and in a Quantum
event if it happens once it can happen again and

again and again creating a Multiverse of universes
so instead of one universe expanding which is the

Big Bang Theory we have a bubble bath a bubble
bath of universes bubbles being formed out of

the vacuum because we're now exceeding the
plunk energy and these bubbles create entire

universes and so we begin to realize that there
was plenty of time for a God to create a universe

because there was not just one Universe now I'll
probably get my head put on a stake by some of

the religions for suggesting this possibility
but is it possible God's an alien I mean is it

possible that what we are is some kind of genetic
experiment by a much more advanced civilization

because at the heart of it isn't what say the
Bible or the Quran describe something that

involves a highly advanced intelligence coming
down to planet Earth imbuing us with Knowledge

and Skills passing on understanding isn't that God
isn't that alien well if an advanced civilization

were to come to the planet Earth in the year 1500
for example we would consider them to be God now

does that mean that they are God that created the
entire universe no it just means that our level

of technology in the year 1500 would suppose
that they are in fact God but whether or not

there is a God is independent of whether or not
an advanced civilization were to meet us in the

year 1500 these are two independent questions
one question is simply are they Advanced enough

to appear like God the other question is are
they God that create the universe these are two

distinct questions now sir you like I am sure have
seen the news media reports where key officials

both former and serving have suggested that the
United States government is in possession of quote

exotic material the possibility is being openly
discussed that the United States has recovered

alien technology which was laughable a few years
ago but you'd agree it's being openly discussed by

people like Lou lazando Christopher melan Eric
Davis other people who've basically claimed to

have inside knowledge what's your response to
that do you think that's a possibility that

somewhere in a dark cave somewhere there
are us scientists working on recovered

technology well look at it this way I get a lot
of emails from people that have claimed that uh

you're barking at the wrong tree the aliens are
not there the aliens are here they visited us

they're here and I say what proof do you have that
the aliens are here and they tell me that they've

been abducted they've been kidnapped by aliens
in out of space well I have a word of advice if

you have ever been kidnapped by an alien from
outter space for God's sake steal something I

don't care where there's a paperclip an ancient
an alien pen an alien calculator steal something

because afterwards you can say aha look look
look proof proof you want to see the evidence

I'm a physicist we live and die by the evidence
maybe you saw an angel last night maybe you did

we'll have to like go through the evolutionary
history of what it would take to create an angel

and so on and so forth but afterwards where's the
data where is the reproducible experiment that we

can create tests on it's hearsay after that so
in other words we can speculate this afternoon

until we're till we're blue in the face but all
sorts of fantastic possibilities right and what

have we gotten nowhere we've gotten nowhere
because there's nothing tangible but frankly

if I was the US government and I was in possession
of Technology like that I wouldn't be revealing it

either would you I think the probability that
we have a captured Flying Saucer someplace at

area 51 or whatever is very very small but let's
assume for the moment that it's true let's assume

that we do have alien bodies alien Technologies
and so on so forth would we keep it a secret of

course we're not stupid I mean you don't want
to blab to the whole universe all the secrets

that you can get from a damaged Flying Saucer
but that doesn't prove anything either in other

words maybe maybe not Science is based on things
that are testable reproducible and falsifiable

anything outside of that is disconsidered
here a professor Kaku thank you very

much