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When skeptics say to me,
"Where is the proof that extraterrestrials ever came
and visited our planet?", I tell them
to look no further than the desert soil at Nazca in Peru.
I have always been fascinated by the fact that here
can be found literally hundreds of ancient geoglyphs
depicting everything from birds and fish
to humanoid figures and even elaborate geometric symbols.
But what's even more bizarre is that they are done on a scale
so large that they can only be seen
from up high in the sky.
But who made these symbols?
And who were they meant for?
Certainly not people here on the ground.
And there were no airplanes hundreds of years ago.
At least not that we know of.
People have been studying the Nazca Lines
ever since their discovery over 80 years ago.
To date, over 1,000 different images have been identified,
and, amazingly, new ones are still being found.
On a recent visit to Peru, I chartered a plane
to fly over the Nazca Lines
with fellow ancient astronaut theorist, David Childress.
And although we had viewed them from the sky
several times before, we'd both spot new shapes and figures
we had never seen.
Look, look, over there, over there!
Okay, that's a good one.
In August of 2014,
pilot Eduardo Herrán Gómez de la Torre
spotted several Nazca Lines that had never been seen
by anyone in modern times.
Strong winds and sandstorms uncovered an unidentified bird,
a figure that resembles a llama,
and a 196-foot-long snake.
For me, Nazca is not just a mystery but a clue,
one piece in a giant puzzle that offers not just evidence
but proof.
Southern Peru, 1927.
While hiking in the foothills of the arid Nazca Desert,
archaeologist Toribio Mejía Xesspe discovers what appears
to be a large network of ancient roads
carved into the earth.
Years later, as airplane travel
to the region becomes more frequent,
aerial flyovers reveal nearly 100 other designs
in the nearby landscape.
Known as geoglyphs,
they depict animals, flowers,
and even a mysterious human-like being.
Scattered over a nearly 200-square-mile area,
these lines and figures have become collectively known
as the Nazca Lines.
The Nazca Lines consist
of these massive drawings, or carvings,
if you like, on the ground.
Everything from geometric symbols, lines,
to animals, um, fish, birds.
But the intriguing thing about them is, you know,
number one, they're massive,
and they can really only be seen properly from the sky.
There are over 800 straight lines.
There are over 70 animal figures. There are over
150 geometrical shapes.
We have glyphs of different figurines
on the ground.
We have these intricate lines and what appear to be runways
spread all around the desert.
Some of these actually show mathematical diagrams
built thousands of years ago,
which really raises the question: why?
There's an enormous amount of unanswered
and perhaps unanswerable
questions that arise from the phenomena.
The largest of the figures is nearly 1,000 feet,
or the size of three football fields,
while the longest line extends almost nine miles.
According to mainstream archaeologists,
these mysterious earth drawings were created by the Nazca,
an ancient people that flourished in the region
between the first and eighth century AD.
The lines were formed by the careful removal
of the reddish iron oxide pebbles
that make up the desert surface.
Once exposed, the underlying dirt,
which contains high amounts of lime,
hardened and was resistant to erosion.
But why did the Nazca people feel it necessary
to make these elaborate and massive drawings in the earth?
What purpose were they intended to serve?
And why were they designed in such a way
that they could have only been seen and appreciated
from the sky at a time
when aircraft didn't even exist?
The only place you can see them above
is that somehow you're floating in midair.
It has been suggested
that whoever inhabited the Nazca Plateau,
that they had access to some type of balloon flight,
so that they could appreciate
what they had created on the ground.
If the Nazca population had access to balloon flight,
the Spanish chroniclers would have most certainly
recorded that in their reports.
But there is not a single word that describes
that the Nazcans had access to hot air balloons.
They would have written that down, but they didn't,
so it didn't exist.
By default, we're in the bailiwick
of highly advanced terrestrial technology,
and that is really the anomaly of the Nazca Lines.
They really are easy to make, when you look at it,
because it is only really removing
the top layer of a surface.
But the magnitude of the figures
is what makes this such a complex undertaking.
Many of the lines at Nazca go for miles,
perfectly straight through the desert.
There are various trapezoids and spirals
and other glyphs that are
so large that the surveyors
would need some direction from the sky.
And this is where aliens
or some kind of people with flight had to be involved
with the creation of the Nazca Lines.
I was in Peru for a month in 1987.
I went with a pilot over the plains of Nazca.
The first pattern that the pilot said,
"Well, let's aim for that long
six-mile triangle."
And there have been laser surveys done,
and it is remarkably accurate, this triangle.
And it looked like something had pressed
the whole ground down at least 24 inches.
How would you press down a six-mile-long
perfect triangle into the desert of Nazca?
What kind of technology can do that?
Not the feet of ancient people.
How could the ancient people of Nazca
have created such massive geoglyphs
without the capability of flight
or the use of advanced tools?
Might these mysterious lines
have actually been created with the help
of otherworldly beings,
as ancient astronaut theorists believe?
The fact that these designs can only be seen from above,
from the sky, is an indication
that they were used as navigational markers
for the gods when they were actually here.
So the question then becomes, you know,
were they drawn in this way as navigational markers
for the gods to actually fly their vehicles in?
Let's assume for a moment that extraterrestrials
sent down some type
of an unmanned craft, like a rover
that we have on Mars right now,
that is collecting samples
and is driving around a desert plateau.
It, of course, leaves behind some type of tracks.
And then the natives who just witnessed this
would look at each other and say,
"Wow. We were just visited by God."
When in reality, no such thing happened.
Modern-day historians and anthropologists
believe the Nazca people were one of several ancestors
of the Inca civilization,
the largest empire in pre-Columbian America.
In the 13th century,
the Inca Empire thrived in the Andes mountain region
of South America.
According to legend,
the mysterious Incan creator god Viracocha
commissioned the Nazca Lines and glyphs in the remote past.
And these were said to be created
by the Viracocha himself,
who was the great teacher god of the Andes.
And so where he came from is still a mystery.
He could've been from Sumeria.
He could've been connected somehow with the Anunnaki.
No one really knows.
But the same legends and the same stories
of these great gods
appear throughout the world,
especially all the way through the Americas.
Could the lines and glyphs of Nazca
really have been the work of the Inca god Viracocha,
as their legends suggest?
If so, what was the purpose
of carving these strange geoglyphs into the earth?
Perhaps the answers can be found
by taking a closer look
at one of Nazca's most mysterious figures,
one that has become known as El Astronauto.
When I was in Nazca recently with David Childress,
we had local historians take us
to the site of one of the most mysterious formations,
the Sun-Star and Cross glyph.
It's not just ancient astronaut theorists who believe
that extraterrestrials may have been responsible
for the remarkable glyphs found at Nazca,
but many of the native people who live here today
believe it, too.
They're also convinced that the area has been a hot spot
of UFO activity, even to this day.
Here and around Nazca and Paracas,
do you sometimes see, um, UFOs,
some light, luz, light in the sky?
He doesn't know what it is.
It's incredible to think
that there may still be extraterrestrials
visiting this part of the world even today,
but what's even more incredible
is that the world only started paying attention
to the Nazca region less than 50 years ago,
when researcher Erich von Daniken determined
that the Nazca Lines were evidence
for what became known as the ancient astronaut theory.
Switzerland, 1968.
Researcher and writer Erich von Daniken
publishes his first book, Chariots of the Gods?
In it, he introduces the revolutionary notion
that the Nazca Lines were created by the Nazca people
after witnessing extraterrestrials
using advanced technology
and a sophisticated knowledge of mathematics.
Erich von Daniken was one of the first
to actually do aerial flyovers of the Nazca region
and was one of the first researchers to not only look
at the diagrams on the plain floor
but also in the hills of Nazca.
We find intricate mathematical diagrams
that have never been documented before.
When you fly
over the desert, you see down gigantic lines.
Seen from the air,
they give you the imagination of airstrips
because they start abruptly, end abruptly.
Sometimes they cross.
They look like airstrips.
When Erich drew the comparison
as to how this looks like a network of runways,
it is to draw a visual comparison
to what they look like from above.
They are not runways. They would not support
the weight of anything physically landing there.
Some theorize that they were runways.
Uh, I don't believe that for a moment.
Hell, I was in the Air Force for six years,
and none of the aircraft that we had would be capable
of landing on that as a runway.
Uh, I think it's more of a attention-getter.
You can see 'em from space.
So I think that it's a, uh... a signal.
In the more than four decades since the publication
ofChariots of the Gods?,
Erich von Daniken's controversial theories
concerning the Nazca Lines have continued
to spark widespread study.
Some scholars, after discovering curious patterns
in the numerous designs,
suggest that the Nazca Lines might actually be one
of the earliest known examples of applied geometry.
They were interesting geometric figures.
They could draw a figure, and then they could envision
making it even bigger.
You're making angles, you're approximating distances,
and that innate skill of us to deal with geometry,
I think, translates to our earliest art forms.
It's interesting as you look at these designs
on the plains of Nazca, some of them
have very, very interesting relationships
to the skies overhead.
There's a very famous glyph of a spider
with one leg that extends way, way out,
and if you take that and flip it
into sort of a mirror situation,
what you can plainly see is that the spider is meant
to represent the constellation of Orion,
and the spider's leg, the extension,
is meant to represent the star Sirius.
So whoever put these designs on the plains of Nazca
understood the same thing
that all of the other ancient cultures before them
understood, which is that there's
some critical importance to understanding Orion and Sirius
and their relationship to the Earth.
But could the Nazca figures really have had
a more profound purpose?
Some ancient astronaut theorists believe
they were created as a means of communicating messages
to the gods,
messages that may have also included a plea
for them to return.
Ancient astronaut theorists
believe the mysterious figure known as El Astronauto
could hold a clue to the Nazca mystery.
You have a figure that looks like E.T.,
with the big eyes and the big head,
and one hand is pointing to the sky
and the other is pointing to Earth,
as if it was some type of a message,
"Hey, something happened here.
We were visited by beings from above."
Is the mysterious figure known as El Astronauto
evidence of an extraterrestrial visitation in the distant past,
as some researchers believe?
And if so, might this suggest a reason
why extraterrestrial visitors may have landed at Nazca
in the first place?
We send scientists
from the University of Dresden to Nazca.
They measured the magnetic field,
and they found a change in the magnetic field
under some of the lines.
And also, we measured the conduction,
electricity along the lines,
and right next to it, the ability to conduct currency
was 8,000 time higher on the lines.
And they found that eight feet below one of these lines,
the magnetic field definitely changes.
So we have the result.
There is something in the ground,
but we don't know what it is.
Is it really possible that something in the earth
might have attracted an otherworldly species to Nazca?
Could it have been an outpost
for a mining operation of precious metals?
Or perhaps minerals needed for rocket fuel?
It's been said that if any extraterrestrial wanted
to come to Earth,
Nazca would be a great place for them to land.
Nitrates and various things that we use
in our modern propulsion are found in abundance.
Maybe it's possible that extraterrestrials were aware
of this location as an energy source,
and ancient man left these depictions and runways
as a way to entice those beings to come back.
We find that the Nazca civilization was placed
in nitrate-rich environments.
They had no purpose for these nitrates.
The question might be whether nitrate was indeed
of importance to the people who came to this area,
maybe in prehistoric times.
Maybe an extraterrestrial civilization
somehow had a purpose for this nitrate.
With any visit or with any project,
the time arrives when something is finished.
And that is why some of these contacts had ended,
because the extraterrestrials went on to different places.
So why would extraterrestrials
be coming to Nazca?
Some of the lines at Nazca
are going straight through the Andes.
The lines themselves directed you farther east.
But if Nazca was used as an ancient mining site
by extraterrestrials, might there be evidence
of other, similar sites around the globe?
According to ancient astronaut theorists, there are,
and they can be found hundreds of miles away
at the ruins of another lost civilization.
Western Bolivia.
400 miles east of the Nazca Plain,
near Lake Titicaca,
lay the ancient ruins of Tiahuanaco.
According to archaeologists,
this ancient city was the capital
of the Tiahuanaco culture
that thrived more than 1,000 years ago.
But ancient astronaut theorists believe
that Tiahuanaco is also the place
where the mysterious Nazca Lines seem to be pointing to.
But if so, why?
When we consider the Nazca Lines in Peru,
we have to consider them in their context.
They're not isolated phenomena.
There might not be other examples
exactly like the Nazca Lines,
but they would be embedded
in a larger, ritualized
or ceremonial landscape that might include
other famous places from ancient cultures
such as Tiahuanaco.
At Tiahuanaco, we can
find hundreds of glyphs. We can find faces.
We can find carvings of all sorts of different things.
According to legend, Tiahuanaco
was created as a tribute to beings called sky people,
under the direction of Viracocha,
the Inca god linked to Nazca.
But might these sky people
be the same extraterrestrials
who helped create the Nazca Lines
thousands of years ago?
According to ancient astronaut theorists,
the answer is yes.
Nazca, in a sense,
is really a way station along the coast of Peru.
There's an indication there that once you arrived in Nazca
with your airship, the lines themselves directed you
into the Andes to the giant megalithic cities
of Tiahuanaco and Pumapunku.
But is there other evidence
of an extraterrestrial presence at Tiahuanaco?
Evidence that may give us insight
into the true nature of the ancient aliens
who allegedly visited Nazca in the remote past?
There are many connections between
the Nazca culture along the west coast of Peru
and the inland cultures-- the Andean cultures
of Tihuanaco, Pumapunku and Cuzco.
All throughout this area,
they found evidence of these unusual elongated skulls
in all these different places, not just in one area.
And so it seems like
they were the builders of these sites.
Found in numerous gravesites in the region,
these elongated skulls have a cranial capacity
25% larger than human skulls.
But where did they come from?
You will find academic critics
who will say it was because
there were some Incas
who wrapped their baby's heads
in some kind of blankets or cloths
to make them grow long-- a kind of cosmetic procedure.
There's a lot of argument on the other side
that there is not one single piece
of cultural evidence
that the Incas ever bound the heads.
So you've got a conflict there among archaeologists
even looking at the Peruvian heads.
But if there is no evidence of the skulls
being created by means of binding
or other man-made means,
then how can they be explained?
Could there be another--
perhaps more extraterrestrial--
explanation?
Might they be evidence of some kind
of human-alien hybrid race?
A race that not only lived in western Peru
but who may have also inhabited
ancient Egypt?
According to ancient astronaut theorists,
the answer is a profound yes.
And they also cite a link between the people of Nazca
and the god Viracocha.
What's most interesting
is the fact that Viracocha
was also said to be the builder of all these sites.
So was he part of the race of the elongated skull people
that came to this land and built all these
amazing megalithic temples as well as the Nazca Lines?
What is perhaps as mysterious as the origin
of the elongated skulls
is the fate of the Nazca people.
According to most archaeologists, both Nazca
and Tiahuanaco were suddenly abandoned
at about the same time
approximately 1,000 years ago.
Those civilizations,
I think, are connected to what was going on
in the Peruvian desert
with the Nazca. To what extent,
I don't think we know. There's not enough information
that has been gleaned from those, uh, civilizations,
but they both disappeared
around the same time
for whatever reasons.
There was some shift
in the earth right then,
either some massive earthquake that even caused
Lake Titicaca to flood
the whole area.
Or perhaps it was some kind of
cosmic war between the extraterrestrials.
But once the mining center, the, in a sense,
the capital of this area was destroyed
and no longer functioning,
Nazca became this backwater
where nothing was really happening anymore.
And it was during that period, probably,
that many of the lines
were drawn and the figures,
trying to attract
the extraterrestrials.
Now, while many elongated skulls
are undoubtedly the result of head binding,
conventional archaeologists are too quick
to jump to the conclusion that head binding
is the explanation for all elongated skulls.
I recently got the chance
to see some of the elongated skulls unearthed
in Peru at the Paracas History Museum.
And let me tell you, these skulls are
truly bizarre.
I can't say for certain
that these skulls are of alien origin,
but they definitely gave me the chills.
But just as elongated skulls are not unique to Peru,
neither are the ancient formations that were made
to be seen from the sky.
Some of them can be found much closer to home,
even in the United States.
Pleasant Hill, Ohio. 1848.
The Smithsonian Institute surveys
a 1,350-foot-long,
three-foot-high effigy mound
built in the shape of a coiling serpent.
Like the lines and geoglyphs of Nazca,
this reptilian motif,
known as the Serpent Mound,
can only be seen from high above the earth.
Similar to Nazca,
what we have with these earth mounds
is that they're put into
easily recognizable symbols.
But unless you're looking at them
from some altitude,
they don't look like anything.
In the Native American legend,
we call it
the plume serpent, which is probably
the same as, uh,
Quetzalcoatl down in the tribes in Mexico.
The-the plume serpent theory
is probably related to something
that came from the sky.
It came from the extraterrestrial territory.
Serpent Mound and other places
of what the Indians used to
call places of worship
are very important to study these things.
There are certain things that are connected
for the well-being of the planet,
whether it be the magnetic system,
whether it be the ley lines,
whether it be observance points
from other worlds
that existed here before.
According to historians and anthropologists,
an indigenous Native American culture
called the Fort Ancient people built the mounds
nearly 1,000 years ago.
But, if so, why?
Serpent Mound is an extraordinary site.
It is one of the most important sites in North America.
It's almost as if somebody is trying to point out
that for anybody passing from above,
he or she or it is about to approach
a site of importance.
Why would a so-called primitive people
have constructed a massive earthwork
that, like the geoglyphs and lines in Nazca,
went unnoticed and undetected
by those on the ground for hundreds of years?
Perhaps a clue can be found
in the fact that the Serpent Mound
was constructed on the edge of a meteor crater
that was formed approximately 300 million years ago.
Coincidence?
Or was the mound's proximity to a meteor site
intended to mark the presence of a very rare
and precious element often found in meteors--
iridium?
Iridium has great conductive abilities.
It's one of the rarest elements we have, and it tends to be
concentrated in unique areas for two reasons.
Either a meteorite crashed at some point in the past...
or volcanic activity and lava flow.
Looking at locations like the Serpent Mound in Ohio
and various other sites, we see
some type of energy source that either was powering
these locations or is still offering
some type of energy source today,
like iridium and other exotic elements.
And if extraterrestrials are aware of these locations,
were they tapping into this energy?
The concentration of iridium on that site is ten times higher
than what would be expected.
Serpent Mound is some kind of memorial
to the presence of another world involved in mining
of this iridium at some point in the remote
or maybe not-so-remote past.
There's even gravitational anomalies
such as you get at the Serpent Mound in Ohio
which has magnetic and gravitational effects.
And it can really affect your consciousness.
A whole preponderance of possibilities that these sites
were built on these particular spots.
Could the Serpent Mound be a marker
where extraterrestrial beings mined iridium
as an energy source,
as some ancient astronaut researchers believe?
And if so, might there be a connection
between energy in the ground here
and that found in the Nazca plain?
Perhaps more clues can be found
by examining the mysterious crop circles
discovered throughout the world.
One of the most puzzling formations
to be found in Peru is an ancient site
on the Cajamarquilla plain
known as the Band of Holes.
Located about 100 miles from the Nazca Lines, there is
a seemingly deliberate pattern formed by over 5,000 holes
of varying dimensions and depths dug into the earth,
running north and south for almost
two miles along a mountain range.
Like the Nazca Lines, the Band of Holes
can only be appreciated in its entirety
from high above the ground. But what does it mean?
While some say it represents a serpent,
others claim it may have been used as some type of
human-to-alien communication system.
Early humans would build fires in the stone-lined holes,
following a precise numeric code in order to send signals
to alien ships flying overhead.
Now, while I'm still not certain
what to make of it, the Band of Holes
does appear to be yet another example
of an ancient formation designed as a message
to be seen from above.
And this is also true of another
recently discovered phenomenon:
crop circles.
Wiltshire, England, 1978.
Here, in this tranquil countryside
90 miles west of London,
strange crop circles begin to appear overnight
in fields of wheat and corn.
Like the geoglyphs found at Nazca,
the designs are geometric shapes
seen only from above.
Crop circles-- they are described
as some type of energy ball
that whizzed through the field and all of a sudden
there's this intricate diagram.
We also have to wonder if
extraterrestrials potentially were involved in Nazca,
maybe they're also trying to get us messages today
through crop circles.
There is a correlation
between the ancient glyphs
and the modern crop circles in that they're both
being presented to the earth from what we would call
star peoples using a higher technology.
Mainstream scientists have yet to acknowledge
an extraterrestrial connection to crop circles.
But ancient astronaut theorists
remain convinced that there is more here
than what meets the skeptical eye.
While some crop circles are undoubtedly
the work of farmers and others
trying to pull off a hoax,
many cannot be explained so easily.
They appear to be made too quickly,
too perfectly.
Some magically appear within a few hours,
accompanied by strange lights in the sky.
Could there be a connection
between these unusual shapes
and the mysterious designs
found at Nazca?
Now, people suggest
that crop circles are made by either extraterrestrials
or some sort of non-human intelligence,
some sort of non-human entity
that's possibly trying to give us a message.
If we draw the parallel between
the crop circles and the Nazca Lines,
one, yes, is made in, like, a sandy desert-type terrain,
the other's made in corn,
but the actual designs are somewhat similar,
and maybe even the message is a similar one,
but it's just been upgraded for a new era
and a different country.
In the past, we set the communications in stone.
And what's happening now, today,
in fields all over the world, but especially in England,
the crop circles are so much more complex
than the designs at Nazca, and there definitely
seems to be some sort of communications taking place.
Somebody is trying to communicate with us,
and we are too stupid to understand the communication.
One morning, you have a simple circle
in a crop field.
Now, the humans think, "Okay, circle,
it happens by the wind or by animals overnight or whatever."
We all are too arrogant,
so we don't try at communication.
Is there really a profound connection
between the Nazca Lines and crop circles,
as ancient astronaut theorists believe?
And might they contain messages
that we have yet to decode?
If so, what are they
trying to tell us?
Perhaps answers can be found
by examining other equally strange geoglyphs,
recently discovered
after nearly 2,000 years.
2011, the Middle East.
Satellite and aerial photography
reveals high numbers of mysterious stone wheels
carved into the earth
in Syria, Saudi Arabia,
and Jordan.
First discovered in 1927,
these stone circles are believed
to number in the thousands,
and date back more than 2,000 years.
Ranging in size from 80
to more than 200 feet in width,
ancient astronaut theorists believe
these designs fit a global pattern.
Thanks to Google Earth, we now have a vehicle
by which we can see some of these glyphs.
They're being called Nazca-like phenomena.
I think we are opening the first page of a chapter
that deals with glyphs
and structures which can be seen
from the air.
It's not only at Nazca that ancient man
was trying to communicate to the heavens,
but around the world we are finding new monuments and glyphs
that raise the question:
was there a connected geodetic presence of sites
that the extraterrestrials used to navigate around our planet?
What is the purpose of the strange shapes
and geoglyphs found at Nazca
and all over the world?
Were they used as navigational markers,
intended to guide space travelers?
Or might they contain
a more profound message for humanity?
In 1972,
cosmologist Carl Sagan stated
that if an extraterrestrial intelligence
exists in the universe,
the means of contact would be mathematics.
If you think about this as communication,
as Carl Sagan was quoted as saying,
it is certainly true that this would be the way
we'd probably have to start.
A circle is a circle, and that's
just a universal feature of geometry.
And it would be the same
no matter where you were in the universe.
Is it possible
that otherworldly beings have been using basic mathematics
and geometry in an effort to communicate with us?
And might the proof of this be found in the many geoglyphs
at Nazca and throughout the world?
Could mankind have been receiving
extraterrestrial messages for hundreds
and even thousands of years?
Messages that have gone unread
and undeciphered right before our eyes?
What we have in the Nazca culture
is something which our ancestors knew
that what they were making was gonna have a lasting effect.
Hundreds of years afterwards, it is still there.
And it might be very ironic to realize
that they were shouting out for the deities,
saying, "Please come down and visit us."
And that 100 years later,
the Nazca Lines have become the billboard
for the ancient alien theory,
whereby they really are interpreted as, indeed,
a landing place for the deities.
And so we might find that across time and space
and culture, really the core of the message of the Nazca Lines
is maintained, even though
maybe slightly placed in a different context.
When you look at some of the glyphs at Nazca,
they would seem to be just simple things.
Animals and figures and things like that.
But then other of the figures
and the lines seem to be so incredibly complicated.
Mathematical, and they're-they're following
energy lines.
So there seems to be a much deeper meaning
in all of the figures and the lines,
and where they're going and why they intersect.
But we can't figure it out.
Is it possible, as ancient astronaut
theorists suggest, that the lines
and geoglyphs of Nazca
are part of a worldwide communications network?
Or might it be some form
of alien communication intended
not for us but for someone
or something not of this world?
Perhaps Nazca's many strange shapes
and symbols serve as pieces
to an elaborate puzzle or an invitation
for other alien visitors to return.
One thing is certain: the Nazca Lines are,
for me, proof that extraterrestrials
not only exist, but that they have been coming here
and influencing mankind's
history for thousands of years.
It's something I don't just believe, I know.
And I'm convinced we're getting close to finding
the ultimate evidence that not even the skeptics can ignore.
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