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Fascination with space predates all
written history.
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Think of the legends that come from the
night sky and the endless possibility
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that comes with pushing the edge of
exploration.
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You know, a star man.
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How do you deal with the fact that
you're different and the same as
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else?
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How do you find purpose within your own
life?
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I think Bowie grappled with that, being
willing to adopt all those different
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personas just to push the edges of
understanding the core human experience.
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If you're trying to imagine the very
edge of possibility, a
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black star is the manifestation of that.
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It is such an immensely powerful
gravitational force that it can distort
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itself.
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Does that then open up the possibility
for time travel?
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Or are the forces so high that nothing
could ever survive it?
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I would love to feel that what I did
actually changed the fabric of music.
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Always remember that the reason that you
initially started working was that
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there was something inside yourself that
you felt that if you could manifest it
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in some way, you would understand more
about yourself and how you coexist with
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the rest of society.
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As you can see, He knew he was dying.
With Black Star, he's writing his own
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Requiem and then dies a day or two after
the album comes out.
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Who does that?
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It has echoes of his entire life, his
entire career.
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To understand what he managed to pull
off in his death, you need to really re
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-examine his artistic quest.
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Bowie definitely was a cultural prophet
in the end.
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He became his barman. He became the
ultimate time traveler.
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Ladies!
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Put on your red shoes and dance the
blues.
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Let's dance to the songs they're playing
on the radio.
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Let's play.
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Oh, yeah.
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When I first started with Dave, we were
doing big theaters, like, you know,
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Radio City size.
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But then, the Sirius Moonlight tour, all
of a sudden, we were playing stadiums.
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It was...
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It was huge. It was absolutely huge.
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I represented David for 30 years.
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You know, Let's Dance created this
worldwide audience, and suddenly he was
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superstar.
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Oh, he's been on the road now for more
than six months, touring through the UK,
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Europe, Canada, the United States and
Japan.
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He remains the most influential pop
performer to have emerged in the 70s.
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not yet put a foot wrong through
constant changes of musical direction
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style.
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I
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just
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felt sort of rather rootless after Let's
Dance.
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I didn't quite see where I fitted in
anymore.
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It's lovely to be acclaimed.
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I just felt uncomfortable. I felt I was
being categorized already.
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And I felt that I didn't want whatever
it was I'd sort of earned for myself
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the success of Let's Dance.
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And I really didn't know what I was
looking for.
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He just decided to go in another
direction.
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But, you know, it would have been nice
if somebody told me.
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I would describe him like a kid.
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that has a room full of things to play
with.
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And they get sick of those things pretty
quick.
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I think he decided that he didn't want
to be that world -renowned, famous pop
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star for Let's Dance, and he wanted to
explore different avenues and do
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different things.
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It was years later, he
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formed Tin Machine.
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the rock band that played hard rock.
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My heart said, that's a great thing to
do. My head said, financially, it's a
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disaster.
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David Bowie is the great chameleon of
rock and roll, changing musical styles
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about as often as the other stars change
their leather pants.
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This isn't Bowie with his backing group.
This is a band with Bowie insisting
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that he's just 25 % of it.
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I think people find it an uncomfortable
band at times because it's terribly
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experimental. And so it'll be real
interesting to see what they think of
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Let me do that again.
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If I had to explain what I was with
David, it would be guitar player,
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co -writer, band leader, co
-conspirator.
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I became his friend first. My former
wife worked doing press in David's
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I had this tape of my guitar playing,
and she gave it to him and said, listen
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this tape sometime.
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A couple of months later, I answered the
phone, and his voice says, hi, it's
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David. And the accent didn't sound
exactly right. He sounded sort of like
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someone doing an English accent almost.
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And I said, okay, who the fuck is this?
And he started laughing.
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He said, you know, I listened to the
tape. You sound like the guitar player
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been looking for.
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In the 80s, after Let's Dance, he was
running a little bit out of gas there, I
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think. He felt like he was being lumped
in with more pop acts like Phil Collins.
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He did a commercial for Pepsi with Tina
Turner.
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That commercial kind of encapsulates
everything that was wrong with where his
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career had gone, I think.
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He lost a feeling for...
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who his audience was.
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We were talking about all this music
that we liked, and none of it seemed
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reflected in what he was making.
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The record you're saying you want to
make is something that has more in
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with the Pixies or more alternative to
what you've been doing.
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The gears really started to mesh at that
point. We realized that we were going
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to become this band.
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Money goes to money heaven.
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Bodies go to body hell.
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I just call and catch the chain.
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The song is I Can't Read.
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Lyrically, that song, it's hard to know
if he's saying I can't read shit or I
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can't reach it.
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And he mixes it up.
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I can't reach it anymore.
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I just can't ignore.
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I think there was a little like midlife
self -doubt there. You know, I don't
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know if I can reach it anymore.
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Some people got it, some people didn't,
but he definitely seemed happier in Tin
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Machine than he was during the 80s.
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The 1980s were living in fascinating
times.
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What was going on in the world at the
time was Tiananmen Square.
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Turmoil with troops firing
indiscriminately at unarmed civilians.
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The Velvet Revolution.
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Student power is at the vanguard of the
drive for more freedom in
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Czechoslovakia. The walls started to
come down.
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There can be few better illustrations of
the changes which are sweeping across
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this continent.
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I remember standing in the studio and
seeing all of this on the news and
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thinking how insignificant what we were
doing was compared with what was going
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on in the world.
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David told me when we were doing the
first record, he was already booked to
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do... what would become the Sound and
Vision Tour.
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It was like a greatest hits tour.
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So no matter what we did, it was going
to have to stop for six months while
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tour happened.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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I'm sorry?
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It's not going to be my last talk, but
I'm afraid that it probably will be the
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last time that I'll be doing these
songs.
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There's no point continually reflecting
on a past.
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I won't be doing them ever again. As you
know, I'm still working with Tim
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Machine. That's what I'm enjoying best.
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So I'll stay with that.
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Which, the positive criticism or the
negative criticism?
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Which one do you want to know about? I
didn't see much positive criticism.
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well, you live in England.
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The music press in the UK was once
extraordinarily powerful.
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What we'd said in the NME and the Melody
Maker carried an awful lot of weight.
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All over the world, people who were
interested in popular youth culture were
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gravitating to the British music press.
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Tim Machine were regarded in the music
business as something of an
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embarrassment. There was this thing of,
let's not mention them, let's hope they
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go away quietly.
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Do you think Tim Machine is a long -term
project, or is it just a whim?
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I think project might be the wrong word.
I think band is the word. I would like
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to think that we've got at least two
more albums in this. That's what I'd
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to think.
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But you don't know, do you?
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One way of looking at Tim Machine was it
was his way of dissolving the whole
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David Bowie thing.
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When I look back on his early career, he
was always completely ahead of the
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curve. It felt like you were getting
this glimpse of tomorrow, but now you
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wanted to be this bloke in a band.
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As alter egos and personas go, it wasn't
the most fascinating that he'd come up
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with.
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When I arrived in London, it was...
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April 1967.
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This was the era of Beatlemania, the
dawn of flower power.
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To go to London, to me, was like going
to the wonderful land of Oz.
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The 60s were marvellous. The pill had
just been invented, and this was a time
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discovery for everybody.
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The most amazing time for music. The new
generation were a bit fed up with
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hearing about the war and with having
inherited.
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what their parents wanted them to have.
One thing that a lot of people forget,
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that music is the very first thing that
any kid owns.
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You play the records in your bedroom and
the most welcome sounds you could ever
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hear was your parents at the bottom of
the stairs going, turn that bloody
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down, because then you knew you'd got
something that was yours.
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I first met David Jones as he was then
at the Marquee Club before he became
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Bowie. I loved his early music and his
look because it was so clean and simple.
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We were musical friends first and
foremost.
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Occasionally a bit of horizontalism came
into it, but that wasn't the main
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thing. It was just a bit of fun. You've
got to learn your rope somewhere.
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I was there for about six or seven
months.
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My boss called me aside and he goes, I
want to play you a record of this artist
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that we signed.
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And he played this early DRAM album that
David Bowie made.
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My burning desire started on Sunday.
Give me your heart and I'll love you
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Tuesday. As you can see, he's kind of
quirky. He's kind of all over the place.
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David and I, we got on like wildfire. He
became one of my best friends.
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I suppose you thought you were listening
to a long playing record just then.
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Well, you weren't. You were listening to
a new instrument, the Mellotron.
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The Mellotron was a radical instrument.
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It was like the first sampler. There was
no such thing as digital sampling in
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those days. It was just simply tape.
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It had a sound of its own.
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I mean, you put the control to strings.
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And the truth of the matter is it didn't
sound like strings, but it worked
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really, really, really well for what it
did. The problem was they went wildly
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out of tune, but I found a way of
keeping them in tune, which is how I got
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first David Bowie gig with Space Oddity.
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Ground control to Major Tom Take
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your protein pills and put your helmet
on
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Ground control to make... They were very
clever on how they put spaceology
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together. The Mellotron strings didn't
come in until the, what I call the
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chorus. It gave it a spread, gave it
some width.
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Check ignition and may God's love be
with you.
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That's the Mellotron coming in there, if
you like that.
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like pad, drinks -type sound.
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The spacemen had been going up at that
time in real life.
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David was very good at catching the
zeitgeist.
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This clip is probably the most perfect
example.
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He did have a love of space.
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He lived for the present and the future.
I remember going out and buying it.
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when it came out, and playing it at
home, thinking, this is wonderful.
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If this is the direction that music's
going in, I want to be a part of this.
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1971,
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the first Glastonbury. It was a new
festival, and David was determined to
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perform. Space Oddity had been a hit,
but he wanted to be more than a pop
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He wanted to be an artist.
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So we went by train.
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He had long hair at that time.
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Nobody knew who he was.
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When we got there, there was no taxi.
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So we walked what might have been two or
three miles in the blazing heat to get
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to the festival in those days. I think
people just wandered in. I don't think
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anyone even paid to get in.
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How are you coping with the cooking?
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Oh, you could, but you've seen him all
this while.
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Can you tell me why you have come here?
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Now, to Glastonbury, to the festival.
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Such a meeting of energies.
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I had to be here.
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There were a lot of people, but not like
now.
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People weren't crushed and crowded
together. There was just, you know,
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headbands, men with long hair, girls
wearing not very much.
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It was all peace and love.
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I remember sitting up on the pyramid,
and David was meant to be put on at six
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seven o 'clock at night. They weren't
ready.
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I think there was sound problem, but
maybe not helped by the fact that
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was on acid.
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So it went later and later and later,
and finally the organiser said to him,
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only space that we have for you is to go
on at five in the morning.
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So I don't know where he spent the
night, but we all came back in the
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and he was up on the stage.
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Just at that moment, the sun was sort of
rising over the hill behind.
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It was perfect.
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Because it was so early in the morning,
a lot of people were coming out of their
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tents, rubbing their eyes with their
hair all over the place, going, what on
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earth is this music that's going on so
early?
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His voice was very pure and very good. I
mean, he can't have slept much. I don't
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think anyone slept much that night.
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Now I'm much older, I think I appreciate
the brilliance of some of his lyrics.
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He liked to push himself to get to other
places.
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What is that? 50 -something years ago.
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God.
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Changes. In some ways, I think it's his
first anthem.
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This is a song that really speaks to
young people who felt very displaced,
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felt very disconnected from their own
family, who felt alone.
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Very vivid memories of that song in
particular, just lying on my bed
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there's something out there that I
feel...
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I feel connected to in such a beautiful,
profound way.
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You know, really, the only constant we
have in life is change, but it's very
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hard for us to accept as mortals. We
generally tend not to really dig it too
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much, but he had internalised it.
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He could sense that something was
happening. David wanted things to be
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different, and boy, was everything
different the moment he started to take
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Of course, a big part of that was when
Angie said, for goodness sake, we've got
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to get rid of this hippie look.
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A superstar of the Beat Age prepares to
meet his public.
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David Bowie spends two hours before a
show caressing his body with paint.
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Impromptu, isn't it?
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In the 70s, I was a jazz musician.
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I was only hired for eight weeks to go
out on that first Ziggy Stardust tour in
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America. I felt so overqualified with
all my classical and jazz training. I
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viewed it as almost like, well, this was
an easy gig. I realized after two or
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three shows, these guys were on to
something, especially David.
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We finished the first Ziggy Stardust
tour just when...
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The music was getting comfortable. He
was done.
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The Hammersmith show was monumental for
many, many reasons. That's when he
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retired the Ziggy band and the Ziggy
music.
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As you can see, he was nervous.
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How long have we got?
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Found it.
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I mean, Mick Jagger's out there, Paul
McCartney, Ringo.
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It was a big show.
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When we were rehearsing in the
afternoon, I happened to sit at the
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was playing some of his songs as
reimaginings.
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David was listening, and he said, why
don't you open up the show like an
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overture? I think he wanted to feel out
the audience.
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I was the perfect guinea pig.
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So let me play you some stuff.
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Please welcome from New York, Mike
Johnson.
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So it's some sort of a reimagining of
space oddity.
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The rest is history.
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I was at the Hammersmith Apollo that
night. I was 13.
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In a way, Bowie was our Elvis. That's
exactly who he was to us.
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I was quite young, and I think, you
know, those early days, your crushes are
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the same sex quite often. You know, it
might be a footballer.
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In this case, it was this alien -type
creature called Ziggy Stardust.
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Watching that show, it was like I'd been
invited into his space kit.
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He's so androgynous at this point. In
fact, he's not even androgynous. I mean,
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he's really wearing women's clothes.
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What we understood from David was you
could be someone else. There wasn't just
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fixed way of looking. One day you could
be someone from the future and the next
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day you could be someone from the past.
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He wasn't just playing a loud rock and
roll song, you know.
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This guy is the Miles Davis of the rock
world.
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The night before that famous show was on
in Hammersmith, I had been with David
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and he was talking about how that was
going to be the end of Ziggy.
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You can see nobody else really seemed to
know about it
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You could see people losing their breath
in the audience. It was like, really?
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He basically was letting go of the band
on stage.
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Bye -bye,
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we love you.
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There was a sense of devastation.
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as we all got the tube home that night,
a sense of mourning that went round.
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I think they thought it might have not
been for real, but David knew it was for
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real. He was killing off his character.
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I knew this was going to be happening,
but the band didn't know, and they were
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my friends, so it was shocking.
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I think David just didn't need anyone.
Once he had got what he needed from
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somebody, he dropped them.
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And I think already David in his head
was thinking about the next album he was
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going to do. A caterpillar has to come
out of its cocoon in order to become a
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butterfly, and he was ready to take off
for the next lot of amazing things.
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I still find it fascinating that he
would go to those lengths to reinvent
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himself in a way that was possibly
commercially damaging.
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Hence Tin Machine in the early 90s,
where he thought, I'll be a band, you
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a really bad band with a really bad
name.
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Now music from a band formed only three
years ago with a second album and a new
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single, You Belong in Rock and Roll.
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Keep an eye on their promising young
vocalist.
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Tin Machine.
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When we finished the second record, we
had these suits with no collars in
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colors. I used to call them the Vulcan
pimp suits.
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They look like something out of Star
Trek.
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That bothers me more than the lip
syncing.
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I love how she moves me.
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It makes me feel all right, all right,
all right, all right.
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One of the things David insisted on was
he never did an interview by himself.
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It's new. It's new for us anyway to see
you part of a band rather than just
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fronting a big spectacular.
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Was it a deliberate attempt for you to
go in another direction?
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We just got around to jamming, really,
and it just felt like a good thing to
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So we're just doing it today.
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What are you trying to do?
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The fact that he was putting himself
inside a band was
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not what some of his fan base wanted.
They wanted just David.
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After the Sound and Vision tour,
basically, EMI had said that they didn't
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want... a second tin machine record.
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So they terminated his contract early.
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They set David free and gave him his
catalog.
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That was the deal.
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I imagine it's just some suits in a
boardroom deciding they didn't make
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money off the first one. They wanted
David to do Let's Dance 2.
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They wanted him to be the same, and he
wanted to be different.
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We were pretty sure that we would find a
home.
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You know, you got David Bowie as your
lead singer, so we ended up going with a
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company called Victory for the second
record.
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We all knew that the second Tim Machine
album was coming out. I remember
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thinking, well, at least it can't be
worse than the first, right?
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Then, of course, I got a call from the
office saying, we need you to review the
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new album.
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and we need it in by tomorrow morning.
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Ah, here we go.
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We might begin by listing some of the
totally crap things about David Bowie
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the last ten years. His suits, his tan,
his shoes, his shirts, his fake Cockney
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accent. This is the man who spent half a
lifetime brilliantly redefining himself
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and now finds himself at the age of 44
in a somewhat unlikely role.
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of international laughing stock my god
the poor deluded fool believes that this
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glorified pub rock is what we want hot
tramp we loved you so now for god's sake
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sit down man you're a fucking disgrace
so i wrote the review and it was
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published next thing i know i pick up
the phone early on monday morning and
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alan jones the editor of melody maker
and he said john we need you to come
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the office i knew i was in for some kind
of bollocking I walk into the office
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and there's Alan Jones and Alan Edwards,
who was David Bowie's long -standing
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PR. He explained that he'd been out in
Switzerland, sitting there doing some
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work in the living room and David was at
the other end of the living room
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looking through the papers.
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And Alan said, he suddenly heard this
noise and he looked up and he realised
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that David Bowie was crying.
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Bowie had been reading my tin machine
review.
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I wasn't for a moment thinking that
David Bowie would have any interest
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whatsoever in what some Burke from the
Melody Maker had to say about the second
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Tin Machine album.
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I thought that Bowie was so seasoned
that he really wouldn't take any reviews
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that seriously and just keep on rolling.
But it shows that his ego was as
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fragile as any other artist.
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I think the poor reception of...
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Almost everything that Tin Machine did
would have been very bruising for him
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because the reviews were tough.
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I think a lot of mainstream people were
alienated by the music. We cared
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when we were completely misunderstood or
if we were dismissed.
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That was irritating and hurtful. We got
irritated more than we got hurt because
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we knew what we were doing was valid.
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After the second record, the band sort
of faded away.
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It just moved on, really.
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I don't think there was anything harsh
about it or nasty about it. You know,
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they'd done two albums and that was it.
It wasn't going to last forever.
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I think having a knockback like that
when you've had enormous success for a
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couple of decades would sort of take a
pickaxe to your identity.
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and makes you question whether you can
still carry on in that game.
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Imagine being one of those early
astronauts.
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The powerlessness of it if things go
wrong.
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How do you get ready for that?
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How do you become a person who can
accelerate to the incredible speed that
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need in order to escape from Earth?
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The forces outstrip anything else you've
ever been in in your life.
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You're getting relentlessly crushed
until it's hard to just get a breath.
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Life on Mars.
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It makes me think about loneliness and
the idea of life feeling alien within
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actual environment where you live, where
the family that you live in.
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I was in Lou Josie Trill's home in
Willingdon, Wolverhampton. We had
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night and we could sit in the TV room
and watch Top of the Pops.
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I'll never forget how different he was
than anything else.
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Being lost.
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And being out there, you know, being in
the care system, lost souls, it felt
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like it was part of you and you felt,
you know, like you go in the garden and
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hang upside down.
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Try to imagine space.
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All artists, you do your best work all
the time.
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And some of it, people think it's
fantastic, and some of it, people just
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it's shit. But, you know, you don't know
that in advance. You just do your best.
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And so 1993 begins.
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Goodbye to the old and hello to the new.
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When I knew him in the early 90s, he
felt that people were kind of forgetting
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about him and he was kind of
disappearing.
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He was a bit worried that his time was
over, it was gone, and he didn't have
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anything else to give.
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I went to do an interview with him in
Chalk Farm for a magazine.
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He had this very unusual level of charm.
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Everybody wanted to know him and be with
him, you know, it must have made him
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crazy. David said he'd been reading my
book, The Brother of Suburbia, and I
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think he liked the book because it
reminded him of where he came from.
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Where we were in the suburbs, it was
painstakingly boring.
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It was just this great slab of concrete
with nine -to -five commuterism.
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Absolutely no future but this bleak,
almost Orwellian world.
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And there just seemed no way out. And we
just wanted some kind of colour,
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exhilaration in our lives, I think.
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Many of us just opted for anything that
was available, just grabbed hold of it
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and said, that's my way out.
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When we were doing The Bureau of
Suburbia on telly, we filmed all around
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London.
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The series is a kind of comedy about a
young mixed -race boy who's half
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half Indian, Pakistani, growing up in
the suburbs in the 70s, who discovers
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sexuality by having sex with Charlie
Hero, his schoolmate.
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It's about coming of age, it's about
bisexuality and what it's like to grow
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mixed -race in the UK.
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The poor, the foul, the false.
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Love counts, I admit.
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Charlie Hero really comes out of all the
kids in Bromley who wanted to be David
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Bowie. You'd walk up Beckenham High
Street, I remember running into a friend
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mine, he was dressed almost entirely in
tinfoil. He looked like a salt -and
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-pepper shaker. And this was Bowie
during his silver period.
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David said he wanted to write original
music for the soundtrack.
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He was a man who always wanted to do new
things, you know. He was always looking
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for someone else who would turn him on.
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Art is a collaborative form, and I love
finding new people to work with,
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just as he did all the time. Now I work
with my son Carlo because I can't use
455
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,300
my hands, and he types and writes with
me, and we do stuff together.
456
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,940
So great to see that video.
457
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:45,160
Giving in lines by the railway line
Pushing
458
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,940
the hair from my eyes Elvis is
459
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:58,560
English and climbs the hill Can't tell
the bullshit
460
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,500
from the lines Bowie looks so good and
he looks so cool. It's very moving to
461
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,860
him. It's quite a nostalgic song,
actually.
462
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:09,520
You know, it's about... He talks about
Elvis.
463
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,100
He talks about being bisexual.
464
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,740
Sometimes I fear That the whole world is
queer
465
00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:23,440
Sometimes but always in fear
466
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,800
So I'll wait and deal with time
467
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,180
It's a very sweet video. It's about...
468
00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:39,110
A man returning to a place where he grew
up, thinking about it, walking through
469
00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:43,310
it, and making music that would rather
resemble the music he made in the early
470
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:45,950
70s, actually. It's as though he's
looking back.
471
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:53,130
When I
472
00:40:53,130 --> 00:41:00,490
first
473
00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:03,690
got invited to play with Bowie, it was
1974, right?
474
00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:09,170
The androgynous thing was kind of
peaking at that point. He didn't have
475
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:12,730
eyebrows. Just seeing him walk through
the door was a trip.
476
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:18,810
New York was very happening in those
days. If you happen to like Studio 54 or
477
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:24,450
whatever, David was just absorbing the
American lifestyle, which, let's face
478
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:26,770
was far more interesting than Bromley.
479
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:31,970
So we started off on the Diamond Dogs
tour.
480
00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:43,190
It was a whole big extravaganza show,
but he wanted to
481
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:47,570
change things up. He was already
starting to write stuff for young
482
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:49,430
Okay, what do we got here?
483
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:03,820
Oh, look at me with my little 1970s
clothes on. Terrible.
484
00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:09,820
Oh, my God. Look how young Davey Sanborn
is. Holy shit.
485
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,900
He looks really good on
486
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:29,140
camera when he's singing.
487
00:42:40,939 --> 00:42:47,300
There's Avid and Luther, Vandross and
Robin Clark, Jeffrey McCormack. It was a
488
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,460
damn good sounding band.
489
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:57,920
Young Americans, that's basically...
490
00:42:58,430 --> 00:43:01,690
David's new soul guy thing going on.
491
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:03,490
The sound changed a lot.
492
00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:09,210
It wasn't a surprise because if you just
go back to album from Hunky Dory on,
493
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:15,470
each one of them was markedly different
than the next one. But as an artist, he
494
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:17,990
was not afraid to go into that danger
zone.
495
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:24,010
For me and lots of my friends, Young
Americans was the record. That was the
496
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,060
felt so different and so sophisticated,
just kind of innately stylish and kind
497
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:31,060
of fantastic.
498
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,900
Partly he was embracing America with a
music that he had completely co -opted.
499
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:41,340
He once said that Young Americans was
his fake soul record or ersatz or
500
00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:44,280
whatever. I think it's one of the best
soul records ever made. I think it's
501
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,280
amazing.
502
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,380
He would find the most glittering...
503
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:55,880
cultural and musical nexus of that
moment, and he would transmute it in his
504
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,960
way. With varying degrees of popular
success, it must be said, but he was
505
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,840
experimenting. He would say that he
approached his music more like an art
506
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,740
director. Most originality, I think,
comes out of recombination.
507
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,900
You don't reinvent the wheel, but you
redesign the wheel.
508
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,740
and you put the wheel on something no
one's seen before, that's invention.
509
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,640
And David was always looking for the new
thing.
510
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:59,430
In the 90s, rape came like a tsunami,
and it came out of the political mess
511
00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:04,630
country was in. The new criminal justice
bill. Provisions include giving police
512
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:06,770
new powers to act against rape parties.
513
00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:12,530
The most comprehensive program of action
against crime that has ever been
514
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:15,910
announced. The bill has brought together
a coalition of protesters.
515
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:21,050
They might as well have got a bucket of
petrol and gone, throw it on the fire.
516
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:32,210
David was always drawn to counter
-cultural forces.
517
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:35,530
He wasn't thinking about Britpop or
Oasis.
518
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:40,370
It wasn't about having a central figure
prancing around on the stage anymore.
519
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:45,830
It was about the DJs playing these songs
and they take this record and they take
520
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:49,950
this one and they put them in the mix
and in this space in the mix.
521
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,880
They're creating something that you've
never heard.
522
00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:00,340
Bowie saw that really early on. The
first time I met David, it would have
523
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:01,340
1995.
524
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,800
And then years later, he lived close
enough to me that we could wave to each
525
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,820
other from our respective roof decks.
526
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,000
We ended up working together a lot.
527
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:17,080
It would just make sense that he would
hear electronic music in the 90s and
528
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,080
think, huh.
529
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,800
This is genuinely new.
530
00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:26,500
And like the guitar music of the early
90s was pretty conventional, whereas
531
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,480
culture wasn't. And so I think he was
really excited by that.
532
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,420
Timeless was my coming of age album.
From an English perspective, it was
533
00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:47,080
something that was so new, hadn't been
done before.
534
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:49,770
I knew it was going to open up a massive
door.
535
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:53,270
I was looking for a place where we could
find a home.
536
00:46:53,570 --> 00:46:57,090
And Blue Note came in Hoxton Square. And
what a club.
537
00:46:57,410 --> 00:47:02,010
It was like this really Stranger Things
version of Studio 54.
538
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:06,570
The queue was round the block and it was
a basement.
539
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:09,590
So the sound couldn't go anywhere.
540
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:14,690
When David used to come to Blue Note, he
was soaking it up.
541
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:16,350
just taking in this energy.
542
00:47:16,610 --> 00:47:22,510
And I remember you'd come out of his
furnace, dripping wet, and you'd sit on
543
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:24,170
steps, and he'd just roll his cigarette.
544
00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:27,390
He'd be like, see what goes, that energy
in that club.
545
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:30,670
It's like nothing else. It just
surrounds you.
546
00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:33,310
Everyone's really lovely people, really
beautiful.
547
00:47:33,730 --> 00:47:39,750
If I would have said to myself in Lou
Josu Children's Home that in 30, 40
548
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:42,670
from then, I'd be working with him in
the studio.
549
00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:47,510
Would you like to relate to me?
550
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:56,650
There's no way on God's green earth he
would have been like... I felt so
551
00:47:56,650 --> 00:48:01,070
proud of it because he's a really
important artist.
552
00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:07,350
We finished a concert somewhere in
England and David said, let's go over to
553
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:10,630
rave and we'll be in a tent.
554
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:16,140
and the lights will be dim. We'll just
do instrumental improvisation. And we
555
00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:17,140
did.
556
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:33,200
We were joking about, in the Financial
Times, there's the Dow Jones Index. So
557
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,080
decided to call the band the Dow Jones
Index, but spelled T -A -O.
558
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,380
When we were the Dow Jones Index, I'm
thinking of everything I learned going
559
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:46,840
raves and things like that.
560
00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:50,600
The only live thing on stage was David
Sack.
561
00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:02,300
All that stuff crept into the Earthling
record.
562
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,280
The Earthling record is not a drum and
bass record or an EDM record.
563
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,900
But it was influenced by all those
things. And that is David at his best,
564
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:21,860
when he picks and chooses the things
that he likes and then puts
565
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:24,100
it in music that is his.
566
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:50,730
Little wonder, we were joking one day
about alternative seven dwarfs,
567
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:57,330
like instead of sleepy and grumpy, what
if you had junky and druggie? And they
568
00:49:57,330 --> 00:50:01,230
are in the verses, but they're fused in
a more oblique way.
569
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:19,840
You really hear that drum and bass beat
there. But the drum and bass stuff in
570
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,940
the mid -90s didn't have a lot of
melody. But the song is catchy.
571
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,760
And as you can see, his artistic sense
is incredible.
572
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:36,360
For me, His dabbling in dance music I
don't think was particularly successful
573
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,900
because it didn't feel real. It felt
like he was latching onto something.
574
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:43,860
It's David Bowie doing drum and bass.
575
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,880
It'd be like David Bowie doing heavy
metal or country music. It just felt a
576
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,980
weird. In the course of my life, I've
experimented with tons of different
577
00:50:54,980 --> 00:51:00,900
and instruments and instrumentation. And
from a career perspective, it's one of
578
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:02,200
the stupidest things you can do.
579
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,880
If your priority is a career, you pick a
sound, it works, you stick with it.
580
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:12,760
The moment you start experimenting, you
have to understand people are going to
581
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,300
be annoyed. People are going to lose
interest.
582
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,140
People are going to get mad at you. But
you do it because you want to, because
583
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:23,940
you're driven by the love of the new,
because you want to experiment
584
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,180
And obviously, David, his priority was
really, you know, like pushing himself
585
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:29,180
and experimenting.
586
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,480
That was one of the really important
things I've been inspired by, that you
587
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,260
and do have the ability to reinvent
yourself and start like it was like,
588
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:43,620
the first day of the rest of my life.
589
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,870
The end of the 90s, it was a very weird
time.
590
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,450
It felt quite upbeat.
591
00:52:11,770 --> 00:52:15,590
There was a lot of optimism still. You
know, the Labour government hadn't been
592
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:19,830
in long. It felt like, you know, things
could only get better. But also, there
593
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:20,830
was a lot of fear.
594
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:25,670
Remember the Y2K thing? We all thought
at the stroke of midnight, 2000, the
595
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:29,410
planet was going to, like, end or
something. It felt like we were
596
00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:32,590
between two worlds, one that was in the
past and one was in the future.
597
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,380
It sounds so weird to say this now, but
David Bowie at that point
598
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:50,320
was... I don't want to use the word
irrelevant, but almost sort of like,
599
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,080
whatever. It's kind of odd that we
revere this extraordinary person, quite
600
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,680
rightly, but there was a period, quite a
lengthy period, where he just wasn't
601
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,680
cool.
602
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,360
In the 90s, David...
603
00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:11,350
Wasn't over happy about anybody
suggesting he should perform Ziggy
604
00:53:11,350 --> 00:53:14,930
the songs that went with it. He felt
like it was the past and he was more
605
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:19,810
interested in the future, I would say.
It became a situation where you wouldn't
606
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:24,310
bring it up really because you knew what
his opinion was and his attitude was. I
607
00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:28,130
had the genius idea of why don't we play
Glastonbury next year?
608
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:35,170
You know, every artist of decent stature
has headlined Glastonbury.
609
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,480
To perform to that many people lifts
artists to a different level.
610
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:46,860
We were playing this Storia with
essentially the drums and bass and stuff
611
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:52,040
went with it. So I invited the organiser
of Glastonbury Festival, Michael Evers,
612
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:57,280
who sadly walked out halfway through the
show because he didn't think David was
613
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,960
performing all of the hits and he just
thought it wouldn't go down well as a
614
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,960
headliner.
615
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:09,670
The next day I went with Alan Edwards to
the Spice Girls and Alan introduced me
616
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:12,190
to journalists and she said, have you
got any gossip?
617
00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:16,470
I had nothing to say of any consequence,
so I made up the story.
618
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:21,250
I said, yeah, Glastonbury are begging
David Bowie to headline next year.
619
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:23,430
Never thought twice about it.
620
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:25,370
And then a week later...
621
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:30,200
I open the paper, and there's a half
-page spread about Glastonbury want
622
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,960
Bowie, and Michael suddenly gets all
these letters, faxes, phone calls, and
623
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,700
eventually ends up making me an offer
for David to play. I thought, fantastic,
624
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,960
I've cracked it.
625
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,560
And I phone up David and say, I've got
this offer.
626
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,320
David said, great, thanks very much
indeed, but I can't do it.
627
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,740
I said, what do you mean you can't do
it?
628
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:54,770
Headline in Glastonbury is huge for any
artist.
629
00:54:55,030 --> 00:55:01,090
At that point, where people had the
level of ambivalence towards him, I
630
00:55:01,090 --> 00:55:03,650
it must have felt like quite a big
thing.
631
00:55:03,970 --> 00:55:08,730
I thought I was in shit street. I
thought I'd blown it completely and I
632
00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:13,170
desperately trying to think how I could
resolve it and make it happen.
633
00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:23,290
Good evening. NASA had been hoping to
hear that the Mars polar probe had
634
00:55:23,290 --> 00:55:27,390
two hours ago. We'll be hearing very
shortly from David Bowie about whether
635
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:30,490
thinks there's life on Mars. Did I read
somewhere that you said if you were 19,
636
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:31,930
you wouldn't go into the music business?
637
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:37,770
I wanted to be a musician because it
seemed rebellious. It seemed subversive.
638
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:43,210
felt like one could affect change. It
had a kind of a call to arms kind of
639
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:47,190
feeling to it. This is the thing that
will... change things. Now it's a career
640
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:53,970
opportunity, and the Internet now
carries the flag of being subversive and
641
00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:57,590
possibly rebellious. You don't think
that some of the claims being made for
642
00:55:57,590 --> 00:55:59,570
are hugely exaggerated?
643
00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:02,470
I don't think we've even seen the tip of
the iceberg.
644
00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:08,410
I think the potential of what the
Internet is going to do to society, both
645
00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:11,670
and bad, is unimaginable.
646
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,640
I think we're actually on the cusp of
something exhilarating and terrifying.
647
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,020
It's just a tool, though, isn't it? No,
it's not, no.
648
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,540
No, it's an alien life form.
649
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,940
What do you think, I mean, when you
think then about... Is there life on
650
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,600
Yes, it's just landed here.
651
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,680
It's 1999.
652
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:39,380
Everybody thinks the internet is just
for emails, but he foresaw it. He
653
00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:43,350
that it was about to change society
and... Such a huge win.
654
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:46,170
I think that Barry definitely was a
cultural prophet.
655
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:52,210
He always had this, the amazing Mr
Truffle, the idea he could sniff out or
656
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:53,310
change coming.
657
00:56:53,590 --> 00:56:56,190
I still think that's one of the greatest
interviews he's ever done.
658
00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:58,350
I did the first Lastenbury.
659
00:56:59,390 --> 00:57:06,190
I think I might be up for doing another
one quite shortly, which will also be
660
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:10,250
something I could definitely consider. I
don't know, though. I haven't made up
661
00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:11,250
my mind.
662
00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:17,630
There was a period of time when it
wasn't going to happen and I was really
663
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:21,910
worried about it because I thought it
was daft to turn down the opportunity.
664
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:26,210
So I thought, you have to persuade him
it's a good idea.
665
00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:31,530
I said, well, if you don't do it,
somebody else of the calibre of Madonna
666
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:33,990
do it and you'll miss the point forever.
667
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:38,890
And eventually he thought, fuck it,
David Bowie should play Glastonbury. It
668
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:40,110
creates history.
669
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,860
Welcome to the new millennium.
670
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:15,880
At the end of the 90s, I guess, him and
Reeves Cabral just weren't happening
671
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,300
anymore. Reeves left.
672
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720
I loved what we did.
673
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,060
I mean, he gave me a career.
674
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:29,880
But at the end, I felt like he was
entering a phase where he was looking
675
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:30,940
over his life.
676
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,040
You know, I was 10 years younger.
677
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:39,320
He said a funny thing. He wanted to make
music for his generation.
678
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:46,020
He wanted to put together a band that
was more of the classic Bowie sound,
679
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:47,240
whatever that would be.
680
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,640
I said...
681
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:55,120
To David, I think I need to go now. It
was time to cast a new movie.
682
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,540
And he flew me in.
683
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,760
And the first thing that David said to
me, he said, we're going to play Stay.
684
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,080
He loved that song.
685
00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:14,220
I was trying to be polite, and I had my
amp at kind of medium volume. He goes,
686
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:16,340
what happened to you? Turn that fucking
thing up.
687
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:29,690
I played that and a smile broke out on
his face and it was amazing.
688
00:59:30,010 --> 00:59:31,010
And that was it.
689
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:32,210
Done.
690
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:33,510
Back in.
691
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:39,650
What I knew about Glastonbury when we
were booked to do it was that it was
692
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:45,350
huge festival and that if you got the
headline that you had to be pretty big.
693
00:59:45,350 --> 00:59:50,710
knew that Glastonbury meant a lot to
him. 30 years had passed since he did
694
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:51,710
first performance.
695
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,640
He put us on a little short tour so we
could get tight.
696
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,260
Glastonbury was imminent.
697
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,520
It was close.
698
01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:12,400
I can remember during that week, his
voice was just kind of gone.
699
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:20,480
Somebody made an executive decision to
cancel a warm -up gig in New York City.
700
01:00:20,820 --> 01:00:24,060
You can't blow Glastonbury when you're
headlining, you know?
701
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:32,290
I went down in the coach with David and
the rest of the band.
702
01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:35,550
David and I sat at the front of the
coach, just talking.
703
01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:37,170
He was quite nervous.
704
01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:39,150
It was like his big comeback.
705
01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:42,330
He had a sore throat.
706
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:47,510
His assistant, Coco, she told him to
shut up because he was about to do a big
707
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:50,490
gig and wasn't supposed to spend hours
talking to me.
708
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:53,070
But he was talking, he wanted to talk.
709
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:58,940
The Glastonbury Music Festival is in
full swing. After 30 years, it's proved
710
01:00:58,940 --> 01:00:59,940
popular as ever.
711
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,980
So great is the demand that scores of
people without tickets have been looking
712
01:01:03,980 --> 01:01:05,380
for gaps in the perimeter fences.
713
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,520
By the end, I think Glastonbury was a
cultural moment.
714
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:16,520
It was absolutely huge.
715
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:19,700
We got there early.
716
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,360
Just to do a quick sound check.
717
01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:29,960
Right before the show, his assistant
comes in, she goes, David needs to
718
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,680
your boots for the show. I said, what
the fuck are you talking about?
719
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,280
He said, he got these new boots and he
doesn't like them.
720
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,520
I'm like, why is that my problem?
721
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:42,100
So she gave me the shoes, right, and we
wear the same size.
722
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,360
I said, you know what, here's my boots,
and I put on my Chuck Taylors, because I
723
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,760
wasn't about to break in a new pair of
pointy boots on a show like that.
724
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:56,440
The level of expectation was
extraordinary.
725
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,240
In the back of my brain, I thought he's
not stupid. He's going to play a few
726
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,320
hits, come what may.
727
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:05,460
But I thought he'd probably do them at
the end of the show.
728
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,480
He wouldn't play the whole set as such.
729
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,660
But I think he made a decision.
730
01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:13,900
That's the biggest crowd I've ever seen
in my life.
731
01:02:14,140 --> 01:02:16,220
I mean, it just went on and on.
732
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:17,820
Never ended.
733
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:22,040
Must have been like 250 ,000 people.
That was massive.
734
01:02:24,490 --> 01:02:27,530
I know people who get terrified and just
puke before a show, right?
735
01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:30,230
Dave and me, we're very similar in this
way.
736
01:02:30,690 --> 01:02:33,530
We would get antsy, right?
737
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:38,830
Not like stage fright, but antsy, you
know, like... I was one of the
738
01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:40,070
for the BBC coverage.
739
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,400
It's a moment we have all been waiting
for. The thin white suit returns to
740
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,200
Glastonbury. The last time he said yeah
is 1971.
741
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:52,360
I was like, yeah, here's David Bowie.
Like, completely nonplussed. It's like
742
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,200
it's David Bowie. Like, have some
reverence.
743
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,360
I remember being right outside the steps
that lead up to the stage, and I looked
744
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:07,680
out there, and I think David did too,
and I felt David get nervous.
745
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:11,090
He said, go out and warm up the
audience.
746
01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:18,270
The last time he asked me to warm up the
crowd was in 1973 at the Hammersmith,
747
01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:20,270
the same thing. I said, what?
748
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:27,890
Then I played this crazy version of
Greenfleet.
749
01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:37,450
The audience, they're getting restless.
They don't know what's going to happen,
750
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:42,610
and I'm the only one on stage. I
actually played Greensleeves faster than
751
01:03:42,610 --> 01:03:45,290
normally play it because I wanted to be
done with it.
752
01:03:55,330 --> 01:03:57,690
And then the band comes on, thank God.
753
01:04:19,790 --> 01:04:21,810
standing right at the bottom of that
chair.
754
01:04:22,790 --> 01:04:25,370
He walks on and there's a little bit of
trepidation.
755
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:40,270
His first words are, love me, love me.
756
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:45,290
Love me, love me, love me, love me, save
me too.
757
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,300
Let me fly away with you.
758
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:04,180
Oh, my love is like the wind.
759
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,660
There's no wind.
760
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:12,300
Wild as the Wind is one of those songs.
761
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,740
There's a fragile vulnerability to it.
762
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,800
Facing a crowd of that scale.
763
01:05:19,390 --> 01:05:23,470
At that time in his career, it would
have been running through his head. Is
764
01:05:23,470 --> 01:05:24,470
something I can do?
765
01:05:38,050 --> 01:05:39,510
Oh, thank you so much.
766
01:05:41,370 --> 01:05:42,370
Thank you.
767
01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:45,070
Oh, Glastonbury.
768
01:05:45,830 --> 01:05:47,730
You've got a very, very lucky face.
769
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:49,280
All of you.
770
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:56,480
I'm very fearful tonight, as I got
struck down by laryngitis earlier this
771
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,040
So if I give out, and if any of you know
any of the words, for God's sake,
772
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,180
join in.
773
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,100
I can't remember.
774
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:15,700
Oh my, shut up. I remember this.
775
01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:29,210
It's a god of a small affair to the girl
with a massive head.
776
01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:33,270
And her mommy is yelling no.
777
01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:37,870
And her daddy has told her to go.
778
01:06:39,070 --> 01:06:42,250
But her friend is nowhere to be seen.
779
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:43,490
Great hair.
780
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:46,590
And she walks through the sunken dream.
781
01:06:47,070 --> 01:06:51,450
This almost brings me to tears looking
at this shit. It does. I get chills on
782
01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:58,270
this. And she's hooked to a silver
screen But the film's a
783
01:06:58,270 --> 01:07:04,250
sad and poor Cos she's lived it ten
times or more
784
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:06,350
The notes are there.
785
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:12,570
Well, he hasn't got laryngitis, I'll
tell you that. They ask her to focus on
786
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:17,150
Satan's fighting in the dance hall
787
01:07:19,690 --> 01:07:22,050
Look at those cavemen go.
788
01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:26,010
It's a freaky show.
789
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:34,510
Take a look at the old man beating up
the wrong guy.
790
01:07:35,030 --> 01:07:36,410
Old man.
791
01:07:36,690 --> 01:07:39,090
Wonder if he'll ever know.
792
01:07:41,350 --> 01:07:43,550
It's the best -selling show.
793
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:48,330
Is there life on board?
794
01:07:53,980 --> 01:08:00,740
Wow. So he had emerged into a new
millennium and it was just
795
01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:04,200
perfect. That was where everything
shifted.
796
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,940
He's almost like taking the crowd by the
hand and saying, come with me.
797
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,320
It's going to be OK.
798
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,020
Right on the money, man. Right on the
fucking money.
799
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Damn.
800
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:35,880
He's killing it.
801
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,500
He's killing it.
802
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,800
I wish they'd show his fingers. I want
to see my boots.
803
01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:01,720
And there you have it.
804
01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:08,800
I remember when he came off stage, he
was so relieved, man.
805
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:14,899
And he ran up to Duncan, his son, and
they embraced and David cried
806
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:20,100
because it was such a triumph. He did
such a great gig. They played so well.
807
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:25,090
That was the moment, the turning point,
after ten years, not in the wilderness,
808
01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:29,189
but there, and suddenly it went back to
there.
809
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:33,710
It's like growing into your own skin,
and it reinvented his career, really.
810
01:09:34,790 --> 01:09:38,430
Glastonbury was the last time I saw him.
I didn't see him after that.
811
01:09:38,810 --> 01:09:43,630
David Bowie would get very close to
people very quickly, become mates with
812
01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:45,950
and then he'd drop them and find someone
else.
813
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:50,630
Some people were very resentful of that,
very annoyed about that, but I saw it
814
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:51,870
was necessary for him.
815
01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:56,330
He got everything he wanted out of me,
and that was that as far as he was
816
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:57,330
concerned.
817
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:11,370
The reality tour was a really big tour.
818
01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:15,230
It was the best band we ever had, the
best performances we ever did.
819
01:10:16,810 --> 01:10:18,050
It kicked ass.
820
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:26,530
I think after the Glastonbury, David got
comfortable with his back catalog. He
821
01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:33,390
must have recognized nothing wrong with
a balance, new stuff and old stuff. And
822
01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:37,890
you have to be respectful to the music
you created and the fans who love that.
823
01:10:37,930 --> 01:10:40,990
It's not a sellout. It's bringing you
joy.
824
01:10:41,650 --> 01:10:42,870
What do you feel right now?
825
01:10:43,820 --> 01:10:47,200
I enjoy the songs a lot, so I'm going to
have a good time.
826
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:54,840
There were a couple of different Davids.
There was the 70s David, the 80s David,
827
01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:57,240
and then the 21st century David.
828
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:03,280
And I loved the 21st century David to
death. I really did. We were older and
829
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:09,280
cleaned up, but, you know, we both
suffered from really fucking bad
830
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,280
at times.
831
01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:11,460
Really bad.
832
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:14,480
What did Winston Churchill call it? The
black dog, right?
833
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,860
I said, it's happening again.
834
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,760
And we would talk through it, you know.
835
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,700
And when he would get like that,
everybody in the band was trying to talk
836
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:26,380
him. I would stay away because, you
know, when he gets like that, leave him
837
01:11:26,380 --> 01:11:27,880
alone. He'll figure it out.
838
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:32,760
All the shit is coming up. We can't wait
to bring our show to you.
839
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:36,540
Whatever the show is, it'll be fun. All
right. See you there.
840
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,460
When we did the Prague show, you know,
some of these venues in Europe, the
841
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:50,840
places are kind of weird. It was really
hot in this place that day. Fucking
842
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,840
really hot.
843
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:59,000
If I remember correctly, he wanted to
start the show with
844
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,560
life on Mars.
845
01:12:01,060 --> 01:12:03,280
And he couldn't hit the notes. It was
weird.
846
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,800
Something looked odd.
847
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:10,960
As a...
848
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,320
and having played for so many singers,
there's a connection.
849
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,340
I could feel my hands tighten up when I
was accompanying him.
850
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,040
Something was going on.
851
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,940
He was in pain.
852
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:31,040
On a telepathic level, I was feeling
that.
853
01:12:54,879 --> 01:13:01,380
He saw the doctor and they told him it
was a muscle
854
01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:05,300
spasm. And then we did the hurricane
festival.
855
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:10,960
The hurricane festival in Germany is a
big one. And he looked like hell. He
856
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:11,960
didn't look good.
857
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:15,610
His skin color didn't look good. I
thought, oh, fuck.
858
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:19,090
They're not telling us everything is the
first thing that I thought.
859
01:13:19,370 --> 01:13:24,150
And the second the show was over, they
zoomed him to the hospital, you know.
860
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:28,850
He had an artifact.
861
01:13:29,230 --> 01:13:30,810
It was a very weird ending.
862
01:13:31,810 --> 01:13:35,110
And then there was kind of just silence
for a while.
863
01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:37,230
Nine years of it.
864
01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:39,130
David Bowie.
865
01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:42,240
required emergency heart surgery in
Germany.
866
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,280
No longer a space oddity, it appears
Bowie is the man who finally fell to
867
01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:03,600
I don't think I'm as obsessive as I used
to be by any means.
868
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:08,240
Feelings of alienation kind of
dissipated over the last ten years for
869
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:16,480
I live a very fulfilling life with my
chosen partner and family.
870
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:22,820
I'm very lucky.
871
01:14:37,450 --> 01:14:39,910
I used to work on The Breakfast Show and
Six Music, so I was always up very,
872
01:14:39,970 --> 01:14:40,970
very early.
873
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:47,170
And I got a call one day from a friend
of mine who worked with David Bowie.
874
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:49,950
And he said, will you be up at five o
'clock tomorrow morning?
875
01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:51,190
I said, yes.
876
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:57,510
I wake up in the morning, drag myself
out of bed, look at my phone, and there
877
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:58,510
is.
878
01:14:58,570 --> 01:15:00,450
The announcement of a brand new David
Bowie single.
879
01:15:00,730 --> 01:15:04,430
This is his first single in years. The
first music we've heard from him in
880
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:05,430
years.
881
01:15:05,550 --> 01:15:09,670
And so we download it and we get it out
on air as soon as we possibly could.
882
01:15:11,210 --> 01:15:14,350
Well, this is massive and totally
unexpected music news.
883
01:15:14,690 --> 01:15:20,410
David Bowie has a new album and a new
single. I can't describe how scared I
884
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:22,270
It's better been good.
885
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:25,010
Or, oh, it's going to be heartbreaking.
886
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,140
Now, he's been a virtual recluse for the
past few years and has been rarely seen
887
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:33,260
in public in his New York home, which
made it all the more surprising this
888
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:37,460
morning, the day of his 66th birthday at
about 5 .15 a .m. There was a press
889
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:40,800
release confirming a new single and his
first studio album in a decade.
890
01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:44,360
We knew that the song was going to break
in London.
891
01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:47,600
David wanted it to be a complete
surprise.
892
01:15:48,140 --> 01:15:52,520
And suddenly, there it goes. He's
playing it. He's playing it now.
893
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:06,880
And then we watched the Internet light
up like, you know,
894
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:10,780
this row of like, David Bowie made a new
record. What the fuck?
895
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:18,500
Had to get the train from Potsdam up
there.
896
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:27,720
It's such a beautiful, fragile,
eloquent.
897
01:16:31,099 --> 01:16:32,900
This song is
898
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:39,460
about the
899
01:16:39,460 --> 01:16:45,280
fond memories of living in Berlin, the
freedom he enjoyed being a relatively
900
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,420
unknown person.
901
01:16:57,020 --> 01:17:00,480
He was being more introspective, looking
at his past.
902
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,640
At some point, most of us will do that,
you know, look back and go, well, that
903
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,060
was good. That was good.
904
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,540
But there's a lot of sadness in that
song, too.
905
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:29,270
And all day, I was like the treasure
cat. I'm sure he was, too. I was
906
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:32,230
from ear to ear that we managed to keep
this quiet.
907
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:36,170
David Bowie was back, and everyone
claimed that he was finished.
908
01:17:36,690 --> 01:17:40,170
He was never going to make another
record again. And then he did it. He
909
01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:41,170
it off.
910
01:17:45,190 --> 01:17:52,110
I started working with Tony
911
01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:54,510
when I was 23, so that was...
912
01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:56,950
2013.
913
01:17:58,050 --> 01:18:02,530
And I got home one night and he sends me
this email and it says like, hey Aaron,
914
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:06,850
I just wanted to give you a heads up
about our schedule tomorrow. We're going
915
01:18:06,850 --> 01:18:08,310
be working with a client, Mr.
916
01:18:08,530 --> 01:18:12,670
X. I'll tell you what's going on when
you come into the studio tomorrow.
917
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:20,370
And I got to the studio that day and
Tony said, so David Bowie's coming in
918
01:18:20,370 --> 01:18:23,330
today. And I was just like, okay.
919
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:31,610
David walked in. You could smell him
before you could see him. He always,
920
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:33,370
smelled so good, his cologne.
921
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,430
And just that, like, big grin.
922
01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:38,430
And he was like, hi, I'm David.
923
01:18:38,650 --> 01:18:39,870
And I was like, hi, I'm Erin.
924
01:18:40,510 --> 01:18:45,950
For the rest of those next several
years, I was with Tony and David in
925
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:47,750
little studio in New York.
926
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:50,610
David was...
927
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,340
an artist in every sense of the term,
and it was very much his music. But he
928
01:18:55,340 --> 01:18:59,600
also knew exactly who he wanted to work
with and how he wanted to work with
929
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,120
them. I remember he wanted to, like,
check out Donny McCaslin and his band.
930
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,360
I remember sitting in Tony's studio
watching those YouTube videos.
931
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:19,460
As you can see in the video, every
member of that band is a virtuoso.
932
01:19:20,210 --> 01:19:21,310
They don't make mistakes.
933
01:19:24,810 --> 01:19:27,210
I remember saying, like, what do you
think of this band?
934
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:30,050
They're pretty incredible, aren't they?
I was like, yeah, because I think I want
935
01:19:30,050 --> 01:19:31,050
them to do the record.
936
01:19:37,730 --> 01:19:42,110
Before we started recording, David
phoned me up. He goes, can I see you?
937
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:44,490
come to my office? I'd like to have a
chin wag.
938
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:46,110
I said, sure, you know.
939
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,320
And the very next day, we had to start
the Black Star album with the studio
940
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:58,000
musicians. So I go to the office, and I
notice the person who works for him,
941
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,760
she opened the door for me to let me
into the offices.
942
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,060
And she had been crying.
943
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:06,460
Her eyes were red.
944
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:11,720
And so she leads me into this small room
with a little table and a seat on
945
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:12,559
either side.
946
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,980
And she said, David, we'll be with you
in a minute.
947
01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:20,840
He sits in front of me, and he's got a
woolly cap on, right? And the first
948
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,340
I notice is that he's got no eyebrows
anymore.
949
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:26,900
And I went, I know what that is. That's
chemotherapy.
950
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:33,320
I cried my eyes out. He's my lifetime
friend, you know, since the 60s.
951
01:20:36,340 --> 01:20:40,900
I started mumbling things like, don't
worry, we'll get through this. We'll get
952
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:44,240
the best doctors in the world. You're
strong. You're going to get over this.
953
01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:49,410
I just started blabbering shit like
that.
954
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:55,850
And he comes on my side of the table and
he starts hugging me.
955
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:08,490
Given what he knew about his own health
and all that, I think he wanted to make
956
01:21:08,490 --> 01:21:09,810
the best album of his life.
957
01:21:18,570 --> 01:21:20,690
We had set up in the studio the night
before.
958
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:26,890
We were all pretty nervous and pretty on
edge to meet David Bowie. And we stood
959
01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:32,130
up when he walked in, like almost like
soldiers at attention or something.
960
01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:39,250
And he was immediately like, guys, just
sit down, relax, like it's all good.
961
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:44,530
So they're all ready to go. He walks in
and does the same thing. He goes, guys,
962
01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:45,730
he goes, before we start.
963
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:51,720
I have something to tell you. He pulls
his cap off, and he's standing there,
964
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:57,840
bald in front of them, and they're
looking at each other like, who wants to
965
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,620
away? Who wants to crawl under their
piano?
966
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,740
What the fuck do you say?
967
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,180
It was certainly a total shock and
surprise.
968
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:12,220
Very few people knew how he wanted it.
David told us in the beginning,
969
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,180
I don't know what this was going to be.
970
01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:17,650
Let's just make some great music.
971
01:22:30,910 --> 01:22:37,270
Just remember that we start to play the
intro, and then David comes in
972
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:40,310
with the intensity.
973
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:51,480
This song, it makes me very tearful.
974
01:22:59,780 --> 01:23:03,080
He's talking about his disease.
975
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:19,390
It would be like the worst thing in the
world to tell people he's ill.
976
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:22,830
Elvis wouldn't have done it.
977
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:25,130
The Beatles wouldn't have done it.
978
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:28,550
And he's right up there with the rest of
those iconic guys.
979
01:23:32,690 --> 01:23:38,230
We'd ask him how he was doing and
everything, but he didn't want to focus
980
01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:40,610
that. He wanted to focus on the music.
981
01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:42,170
It was intense.
982
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:43,910
Yeah, it was definitely intense.
983
01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:48,240
It was serious work. I don't know how
else to put it, you know. What would you
984
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:52,360
do if you knew you only had X amount of
time? I think it's one of those morbid
985
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:57,440
thoughts that we as humans have about
our own mortality. I don't know if he
986
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:03,400
how much time he had, but what I saw was
that he showed up to the part of life I
987
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:09,460
was witness to, which was making music
with such excitement and joy and
988
01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:13,060
presence. I mean, if anything were to
convince me that he was, like,
989
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,260
otherworldly, that would be it.
990
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,020
He's different from other human beings.
991
01:24:20,980 --> 01:24:26,320
I'm only speculating, but it probably
encouraged him to, like, write as much
992
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,780
he could and record as much as he could
because he knew the end was near. I
993
01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:32,060
didn't. I didn't know that.
994
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,900
I don't know many artists that recorded
an album with the clear knowledge that
995
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:44,900
they were going to die.
996
01:24:48,660 --> 01:24:52,500
When you watch this video, it infuses
everything.
997
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:57,300
It's a black
998
01:24:57,300 --> 01:25:02,200
star.
999
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,940
It's this ominous, unavoidable event.
1000
01:25:08,590 --> 01:25:09,810
And there's the spaceman.
1001
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:14,190
I'm on the floor, gone as far as he can
possibly go.
1002
01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:20,490
Miles and miles away from home, having
achieved something amazing.
1003
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:33,890
If you're trying to imagine the very
edge of possibility, a
1004
01:25:33,890 --> 01:25:36,890
black star is the manifestation of that.
1005
01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:43,180
It is such an immensely powerful
gravitational force that it can distort
1006
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,180
itself.
1007
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:53,080
You can see how important the recurring
theme of space
1008
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:59,800
was to him. But even black stars will
eventually lose their energy
1009
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:04,620
and go to the eternity of nothingness
that awaits everything.
1010
01:26:06,730 --> 01:26:12,570
I had listened to Black Star. It had
come out, and I went to bed. I'm sort of
1011
01:26:12,570 --> 01:26:17,690
anti -superstition, and I'm probably an
atheist that would like to be surprised.
1012
01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:26,190
And I woke up, and my wife asked me, you
know, are you okay?
1013
01:26:26,410 --> 01:26:31,830
And I said, I just had the strangest
dream. I had a dream that David had
1014
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:33,010
away.
1015
01:26:43,850 --> 01:26:49,170
Good morning. Breaking overnight. Legend
lost. Rock star David Bowie has died.
1016
01:26:57,690 --> 01:27:01,490
I can't believe I'm even saying this.
It's not news that I want to be
1017
01:27:01,710 --> 01:27:02,770
but we can confirm.
1018
01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:06,830
David Bowie died peacefully today,
surrounded by his family after a
1019
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:12,290
18 -month battle with cancer. David
Bowie was 69. He released his final
1020
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:17,350
Black Star, just on Friday, which was
also his birthday.
1021
01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:25,710
When I heard on the radio it was that
he'd passed away, I
1022
01:27:25,710 --> 01:27:30,810
remember my wife coming down and saying,
you look shell -shocked, and I said,
1023
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:32,370
David Bowie's died.
1024
01:27:33,450 --> 01:27:40,430
And we sat down together and shed a few
1025
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:44,480
tears. I've lost family members that
didn't affect me like that, you know.
1026
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,540
It just gets me, that one.
1027
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:51,820
I was really upset.
1028
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,560
Really upset.
1029
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,560
You know, it's that thing, you know,
we're only here for a minute.
1030
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:03,480
And then he was gone.
1031
01:28:16,810 --> 01:28:19,730
I think Lazarus showed a lot of grace.
1032
01:28:21,490 --> 01:28:28,170
He came to grips with death, and he was
able to express it through his
1033
01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:29,170
music.
1034
01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:35,710
He wrote his own requiem. He does that.
1035
01:28:41,950 --> 01:28:45,490
Look up here, I'm in heaven.
1036
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,240
I've got scars that can't be seen.
1037
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,300
I've got trauma that can't be stolen.
1038
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,420
Everybody knows me now. It's almost like
he had a strength back in his voice
1039
01:29:09,420 --> 01:29:11,040
that had gone for a while.
1040
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,680
I think it was his best work, if I'm
really honest.
1041
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,220
Look up here, man, I'm in danger.
1042
01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:39,720
I've got nothing left to lose. Watching
the video and listening to the lyrics,
1043
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:41,200
it's very poetic.
1044
01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:44,880
I'm so high, it makes my brain whirl.
1045
01:29:45,340 --> 01:29:48,220
He was a genuine spaceman, a genuine
explorer.
1046
01:29:48,740 --> 01:29:53,820
I think it's about a departure to
another realm.
1047
01:29:56,650 --> 01:29:58,150
I can't even play the blackthroat.
1048
01:29:58,350 --> 01:30:00,710
It's so unbearable.
1049
01:30:02,970 --> 01:30:05,850
It's such a sad album. Beautiful,
beautiful music.
1050
01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:08,830
I get so moved and upset by that video.
1051
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:13,070
I honestly...
1052
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,480
didn't know he was that ill. Because his
voice there sounds great.
1053
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,740
It doesn't sound ill.
1054
01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:34,780
I find it amazing.
1055
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:41,640
And the video that goes with it, going
into the cupboard, it all
1056
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,460
suddenly became apparent.
1057
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:14,940
I would love to feel that what I did
actually changed the fabric of music.
1058
01:31:16,780 --> 01:31:21,200
Always remember that the reason that you
initially started working was that
1059
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,660
there was something inside yourself that
you felt that if you could manifest it
1060
01:31:25,660 --> 01:31:31,880
in some way, you would understand more
about yourself and how you coexist with
1061
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:32,880
the rest of society.
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