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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:19,740 Fascination with space predates all written history. 2 00:00:20,740 --> 00:00:26,660 Think of the legends that come from the night sky and the endless possibility 3 00:00:26,660 --> 00:00:29,600 that comes with pushing the edge of exploration. 4 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:31,760 You know, a star man. 5 00:00:34,180 --> 00:00:37,820 How do you deal with the fact that you're different and the same as 6 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:38,820 else? 7 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,660 How do you find purpose within your own life? 8 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:48,850 I think Bowie grappled with that, being willing to adopt all those different 9 00:00:48,850 --> 00:00:55,350 personas just to push the edges of understanding the core human experience. 10 00:00:57,790 --> 00:01:04,690 If you're trying to imagine the very edge of possibility, a 11 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:07,590 black star is the manifestation of that. 12 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,040 It is such an immensely powerful gravitational force that it can distort 13 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,040 itself. 14 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Does that then open up the possibility for time travel? 15 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,860 Or are the forces so high that nothing could ever survive it? 16 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,460 I would love to feel that what I did actually changed the fabric of music. 17 00:01:39,140 --> 00:01:43,380 Always remember that the reason that you initially started working was that 18 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:47,840 there was something inside yourself that you felt that if you could manifest it 19 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,540 in some way, you would understand more about yourself and how you coexist with 20 00:01:53,540 --> 00:01:54,540 the rest of society. 21 00:02:01,780 --> 00:02:07,920 As you can see, He knew he was dying. With Black Star, he's writing his own 22 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,360 Requiem and then dies a day or two after the album comes out. 23 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:14,100 Who does that? 24 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:19,660 It has echoes of his entire life, his entire career. 25 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:26,880 To understand what he managed to pull off in his death, you need to really re 26 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,500 -examine his artistic quest. 27 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,100 Bowie definitely was a cultural prophet in the end. 28 00:02:33,530 --> 00:02:37,110 He became his barman. He became the ultimate time traveler. 29 00:02:55,310 --> 00:02:56,310 Ladies! 30 00:03:40,010 --> 00:03:43,510 Put on your red shoes and dance the blues. 31 00:03:45,170 --> 00:03:51,030 Let's dance to the songs they're playing on the radio. 32 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:53,670 Let's play. 33 00:03:53,930 --> 00:03:54,930 Oh, yeah. 34 00:03:55,490 --> 00:04:00,750 When I first started with Dave, we were doing big theaters, like, you know, 35 00:04:00,790 --> 00:04:01,890 Radio City size. 36 00:04:02,250 --> 00:04:07,370 But then, the Sirius Moonlight tour, all of a sudden, we were playing stadiums. 37 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:08,390 It was... 38 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,720 It was huge. It was absolutely huge. 39 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:18,240 I represented David for 30 years. 40 00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:24,440 You know, Let's Dance created this worldwide audience, and suddenly he was 41 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,440 superstar. 42 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,540 Oh, he's been on the road now for more than six months, touring through the UK, 43 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:32,140 Europe, Canada, the United States and Japan. 44 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:37,770 He remains the most influential pop performer to have emerged in the 70s. 45 00:04:37,770 --> 00:04:42,030 not yet put a foot wrong through constant changes of musical direction 46 00:04:42,030 --> 00:04:43,030 style. 47 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:50,090 I 48 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:58,010 just 49 00:04:58,010 --> 00:05:00,910 felt sort of rather rootless after Let's Dance. 50 00:05:01,350 --> 00:05:04,310 I didn't quite see where I fitted in anymore. 51 00:05:05,290 --> 00:05:06,950 It's lovely to be acclaimed. 52 00:05:07,950 --> 00:05:11,650 I just felt uncomfortable. I felt I was being categorized already. 53 00:05:12,090 --> 00:05:16,630 And I felt that I didn't want whatever it was I'd sort of earned for myself 54 00:05:16,630 --> 00:05:17,710 the success of Let's Dance. 55 00:05:18,530 --> 00:05:20,570 And I really didn't know what I was looking for. 56 00:05:22,650 --> 00:05:25,070 He just decided to go in another direction. 57 00:05:25,470 --> 00:05:28,650 But, you know, it would have been nice if somebody told me. 58 00:05:28,930 --> 00:05:33,510 I would describe him like a kid. 59 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:37,190 that has a room full of things to play with. 60 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:41,850 And they get sick of those things pretty quick. 61 00:05:42,130 --> 00:05:47,050 I think he decided that he didn't want to be that world -renowned, famous pop 62 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:51,110 star for Let's Dance, and he wanted to explore different avenues and do 63 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:52,110 different things. 64 00:05:54,130 --> 00:06:01,090 It was years later, he 65 00:06:01,090 --> 00:06:02,330 formed Tin Machine. 66 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:04,780 the rock band that played hard rock. 67 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,560 My heart said, that's a great thing to do. My head said, financially, it's a 68 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,560 disaster. 69 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,700 David Bowie is the great chameleon of rock and roll, changing musical styles 70 00:06:31,700 --> 00:06:34,880 about as often as the other stars change their leather pants. 71 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:42,060 This isn't Bowie with his backing group. This is a band with Bowie insisting 72 00:06:42,060 --> 00:06:44,420 that he's just 25 % of it. 73 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:49,560 I think people find it an uncomfortable band at times because it's terribly 74 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,520 experimental. And so it'll be real interesting to see what they think of 75 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:03,890 Let me do that again. 76 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:12,330 If I had to explain what I was with David, it would be guitar player, 77 00:07:12,630 --> 00:07:16,190 co -writer, band leader, co -conspirator. 78 00:07:17,750 --> 00:07:23,970 I became his friend first. My former wife worked doing press in David's 79 00:07:24,270 --> 00:07:30,050 I had this tape of my guitar playing, and she gave it to him and said, listen 80 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:31,050 this tape sometime. 81 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:35,980 A couple of months later, I answered the phone, and his voice says, hi, it's 82 00:07:35,980 --> 00:07:40,740 David. And the accent didn't sound exactly right. He sounded sort of like 83 00:07:40,740 --> 00:07:42,860 someone doing an English accent almost. 84 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:50,060 And I said, okay, who the fuck is this? And he started laughing. 85 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,400 He said, you know, I listened to the tape. You sound like the guitar player 86 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,400 been looking for. 87 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,500 In the 80s, after Let's Dance, he was running a little bit out of gas there, I 88 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:06,380 think. He felt like he was being lumped in with more pop acts like Phil Collins. 89 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,320 He did a commercial for Pepsi with Tina Turner. 90 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:19,860 That commercial kind of encapsulates everything that was wrong with where his 91 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:21,880 career had gone, I think. 92 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,860 He lost a feeling for... 93 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:26,480 who his audience was. 94 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,780 We were talking about all this music that we liked, and none of it seemed 95 00:08:31,780 --> 00:08:36,400 reflected in what he was making. 96 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,820 The record you're saying you want to make is something that has more in 97 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:45,680 with the Pixies or more alternative to what you've been doing. 98 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,600 The gears really started to mesh at that point. We realized that we were going 99 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,760 to become this band. 100 00:08:53,070 --> 00:08:56,570 Money goes to money heaven. 101 00:09:00,870 --> 00:09:04,190 Bodies go to body hell. 102 00:09:08,390 --> 00:09:12,130 I just call and catch the chain. 103 00:09:12,490 --> 00:09:14,230 The song is I Can't Read. 104 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:20,810 Lyrically, that song, it's hard to know if he's saying I can't read shit or I 105 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:21,850 can't reach it. 106 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,680 And he mixes it up. 107 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,040 I can't reach it anymore. 108 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,720 I just can't ignore. 109 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,120 I think there was a little like midlife self -doubt there. You know, I don't 110 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,360 know if I can reach it anymore. 111 00:09:59,660 --> 00:10:05,740 Some people got it, some people didn't, but he definitely seemed happier in Tin 112 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:09,100 Machine than he was during the 80s. 113 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,560 The 1980s were living in fascinating times. 114 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,020 What was going on in the world at the time was Tiananmen Square. 115 00:10:20,380 --> 00:10:24,520 Turmoil with troops firing indiscriminately at unarmed civilians. 116 00:10:24,940 --> 00:10:26,560 The Velvet Revolution. 117 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:30,760 Student power is at the vanguard of the drive for more freedom in 118 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,720 Czechoslovakia. The walls started to come down. 119 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:38,320 There can be few better illustrations of the changes which are sweeping across 120 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,259 this continent. 121 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:43,980 I remember standing in the studio and seeing all of this on the news and 122 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:48,460 thinking how insignificant what we were doing was compared with what was going 123 00:10:48,460 --> 00:10:49,460 on in the world. 124 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:54,100 David told me when we were doing the first record, he was already booked to 125 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:56,790 do... what would become the Sound and Vision Tour. 126 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,610 It was like a greatest hits tour. 127 00:10:58,850 --> 00:11:03,730 So no matter what we did, it was going to have to stop for six months while 128 00:11:03,730 --> 00:11:04,730 tour happened. 129 00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:08,850 Good afternoon, everyone. 130 00:11:10,570 --> 00:11:12,030 Good afternoon, everyone. 131 00:11:13,390 --> 00:11:15,410 I'm sorry? 132 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:21,830 It's not going to be my last talk, but I'm afraid that it probably will be the 133 00:11:21,830 --> 00:11:23,410 last time that I'll be doing these songs. 134 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:26,150 There's no point continually reflecting on a past. 135 00:11:26,350 --> 00:11:30,190 I won't be doing them ever again. As you know, I'm still working with Tim 136 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:31,970 Machine. That's what I'm enjoying best. 137 00:11:32,930 --> 00:11:33,930 So I'll stay with that. 138 00:11:37,310 --> 00:11:40,270 Which, the positive criticism or the negative criticism? 139 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:43,970 Which one do you want to know about? I didn't see much positive criticism. 140 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:44,970 well, you live in England. 141 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:53,060 The music press in the UK was once extraordinarily powerful. 142 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:57,900 What we'd said in the NME and the Melody Maker carried an awful lot of weight. 143 00:11:58,180 --> 00:12:02,080 All over the world, people who were interested in popular youth culture were 144 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,040 gravitating to the British music press. 145 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,780 Tim Machine were regarded in the music business as something of an 146 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:13,420 embarrassment. There was this thing of, let's not mention them, let's hope they 147 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:14,560 go away quietly. 148 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:17,960 Do you think Tim Machine is a long -term project, or is it just a whim? 149 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:24,820 I think project might be the wrong word. I think band is the word. I would like 150 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:28,760 to think that we've got at least two more albums in this. That's what I'd 151 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,519 to think. 152 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:30,920 But you don't know, do you? 153 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,900 One way of looking at Tim Machine was it was his way of dissolving the whole 154 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:38,000 David Bowie thing. 155 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,000 When I look back on his early career, he was always completely ahead of the 156 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:49,320 curve. It felt like you were getting this glimpse of tomorrow, but now you 157 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,740 wanted to be this bloke in a band. 158 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:58,100 As alter egos and personas go, it wasn't the most fascinating that he'd come up 159 00:12:58,100 --> 00:12:59,100 with. 160 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,520 When I arrived in London, it was... 161 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:13,380 April 1967. 162 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,300 This was the era of Beatlemania, the dawn of flower power. 163 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,340 To go to London, to me, was like going to the wonderful land of Oz. 164 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:29,560 The 60s were marvellous. The pill had just been invented, and this was a time 165 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:30,780 discovery for everybody. 166 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:37,100 The most amazing time for music. The new generation were a bit fed up with 167 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:39,520 hearing about the war and with having inherited. 168 00:13:40,140 --> 00:13:43,720 what their parents wanted them to have. One thing that a lot of people forget, 169 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,920 that music is the very first thing that any kid owns. 170 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,380 You play the records in your bedroom and the most welcome sounds you could ever 171 00:13:53,380 --> 00:13:58,240 hear was your parents at the bottom of the stairs going, turn that bloody 172 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,480 down, because then you knew you'd got something that was yours. 173 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:07,340 I first met David Jones as he was then at the Marquee Club before he became 174 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:13,390 Bowie. I loved his early music and his look because it was so clean and simple. 175 00:14:14,030 --> 00:14:16,470 We were musical friends first and foremost. 176 00:14:17,170 --> 00:14:20,570 Occasionally a bit of horizontalism came into it, but that wasn't the main 177 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:24,250 thing. It was just a bit of fun. You've got to learn your rope somewhere. 178 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:28,430 I was there for about six or seven months. 179 00:14:28,630 --> 00:14:33,410 My boss called me aside and he goes, I want to play you a record of this artist 180 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:34,410 that we signed. 181 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,460 And he played this early DRAM album that David Bowie made. 182 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:45,880 My burning desire started on Sunday. Give me your heart and I'll love you 183 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,060 Tuesday. As you can see, he's kind of quirky. He's kind of all over the place. 184 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,460 David and I, we got on like wildfire. He became one of my best friends. 185 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:10,740 I suppose you thought you were listening to a long playing record just then. 186 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,860 Well, you weren't. You were listening to a new instrument, the Mellotron. 187 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,200 The Mellotron was a radical instrument. 188 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:27,840 It was like the first sampler. There was no such thing as digital sampling in 189 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,680 those days. It was just simply tape. 190 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,340 It had a sound of its own. 191 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,740 I mean, you put the control to strings. 192 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:38,140 And the truth of the matter is it didn't sound like strings, but it worked 193 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:41,720 really, really, really well for what it did. The problem was they went wildly 194 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,540 out of tune, but I found a way of keeping them in tune, which is how I got 195 00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:50,120 first David Bowie gig with Space Oddity. 196 00:15:51,140 --> 00:15:56,320 Ground control to Major Tom Take 197 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:03,140 your protein pills and put your helmet on 198 00:16:05,459 --> 00:16:09,840 Ground control to make... They were very clever on how they put spaceology 199 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,460 together. The Mellotron strings didn't come in until the, what I call the 200 00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:18,660 chorus. It gave it a spread, gave it some width. 201 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,800 Check ignition and may God's love be with you. 202 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:32,020 That's the Mellotron coming in there, if you like that. 203 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:34,980 like pad, drinks -type sound. 204 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,500 The spacemen had been going up at that time in real life. 205 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,540 David was very good at catching the zeitgeist. 206 00:16:50,860 --> 00:16:54,080 This clip is probably the most perfect example. 207 00:16:55,220 --> 00:16:57,220 He did have a love of space. 208 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,700 He lived for the present and the future. I remember going out and buying it. 209 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,680 when it came out, and playing it at home, thinking, this is wonderful. 210 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:11,339 If this is the direction that music's going in, I want to be a part of this. 211 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,800 1971, 212 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:19,740 the first Glastonbury. It was a new festival, and David was determined to 213 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:24,640 perform. Space Oddity had been a hit, but he wanted to be more than a pop 214 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:26,680 He wanted to be an artist. 215 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,360 So we went by train. 216 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,780 He had long hair at that time. 217 00:17:32,110 --> 00:17:33,570 Nobody knew who he was. 218 00:17:33,870 --> 00:17:36,110 When we got there, there was no taxi. 219 00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:41,450 So we walked what might have been two or three miles in the blazing heat to get 220 00:17:41,450 --> 00:17:45,990 to the festival in those days. I think people just wandered in. I don't think 221 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:47,710 anyone even paid to get in. 222 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:52,050 How are you coping with the cooking? 223 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,580 Oh, you could, but you've seen him all this while. 224 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:59,820 Can you tell me why you have come here? 225 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,120 Now, to Glastonbury, to the festival. 226 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,780 Such a meeting of energies. 227 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 I had to be here. 228 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:36,010 There were a lot of people, but not like now. 229 00:18:36,370 --> 00:18:40,410 People weren't crushed and crowded together. There was just, you know, 230 00:18:40,810 --> 00:18:44,790 headbands, men with long hair, girls wearing not very much. 231 00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:46,630 It was all peace and love. 232 00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:55,470 I remember sitting up on the pyramid, and David was meant to be put on at six 233 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:57,510 seven o 'clock at night. They weren't ready. 234 00:18:58,060 --> 00:19:02,040 I think there was sound problem, but maybe not helped by the fact that 235 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,040 was on acid. 236 00:19:03,420 --> 00:19:08,360 So it went later and later and later, and finally the organiser said to him, 237 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:12,740 only space that we have for you is to go on at five in the morning. 238 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,800 So I don't know where he spent the night, but we all came back in the 239 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:19,220 and he was up on the stage. 240 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Just at that moment, the sun was sort of rising over the hill behind. 241 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:25,140 It was perfect. 242 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:46,110 Because it was so early in the morning, a lot of people were coming out of their 243 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:50,130 tents, rubbing their eyes with their hair all over the place, going, what on 244 00:19:50,130 --> 00:19:53,030 earth is this music that's going on so early? 245 00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:14,510 His voice was very pure and very good. I mean, he can't have slept much. I don't 246 00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:15,830 think anyone slept much that night. 247 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,920 Now I'm much older, I think I appreciate the brilliance of some of his lyrics. 248 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,900 He liked to push himself to get to other places. 249 00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:59,620 What is that? 50 -something years ago. 250 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:00,820 God. 251 00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:05,640 Changes. In some ways, I think it's his first anthem. 252 00:21:05,860 --> 00:21:12,120 This is a song that really speaks to young people who felt very displaced, 253 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,680 felt very disconnected from their own family, who felt alone. 254 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,800 Very vivid memories of that song in particular, just lying on my bed 255 00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:24,240 there's something out there that I feel... 256 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:28,040 I feel connected to in such a beautiful, profound way. 257 00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:34,520 You know, really, the only constant we have in life is change, but it's very 258 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:40,700 hard for us to accept as mortals. We generally tend not to really dig it too 259 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:43,740 much, but he had internalised it. 260 00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:48,180 He could sense that something was happening. David wanted things to be 261 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:52,620 different, and boy, was everything different the moment he started to take 262 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,720 Of course, a big part of that was when Angie said, for goodness sake, we've got 263 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,040 to get rid of this hippie look. 264 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,560 A superstar of the Beat Age prepares to meet his public. 265 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:13,240 David Bowie spends two hours before a show caressing his body with paint. 266 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Impromptu, isn't it? 267 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,300 In the 70s, I was a jazz musician. 268 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,440 I was only hired for eight weeks to go out on that first Ziggy Stardust tour in 269 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:33,160 America. I felt so overqualified with all my classical and jazz training. I 270 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:38,160 viewed it as almost like, well, this was an easy gig. I realized after two or 271 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,420 three shows, these guys were on to something, especially David. 272 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,840 We finished the first Ziggy Stardust tour just when... 273 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,540 The music was getting comfortable. He was done. 274 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:04,020 The Hammersmith show was monumental for many, many reasons. That's when he 275 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:07,040 retired the Ziggy band and the Ziggy music. 276 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,960 As you can see, he was nervous. 277 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:11,260 How long have we got? 278 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,720 Found it. 279 00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:19,490 I mean, Mick Jagger's out there, Paul McCartney, Ringo. 280 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:20,870 It was a big show. 281 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:26,450 When we were rehearsing in the afternoon, I happened to sit at the 282 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:30,530 was playing some of his songs as reimaginings. 283 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:35,250 David was listening, and he said, why don't you open up the show like an 284 00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:38,490 overture? I think he wanted to feel out the audience. 285 00:23:38,770 --> 00:23:40,730 I was the perfect guinea pig. 286 00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:44,750 So let me play you some stuff. 287 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,180 Please welcome from New York, Mike Johnson. 288 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,720 So it's some sort of a reimagining of space oddity. 289 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,000 The rest is history. 290 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,980 I was at the Hammersmith Apollo that night. I was 13. 291 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,860 In a way, Bowie was our Elvis. That's exactly who he was to us. 292 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,920 I was quite young, and I think, you know, those early days, your crushes are 293 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,240 the same sex quite often. You know, it might be a footballer. 294 00:24:29,660 --> 00:24:33,440 In this case, it was this alien -type creature called Ziggy Stardust. 295 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,600 Watching that show, it was like I'd been invited into his space kit. 296 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,900 He's so androgynous at this point. In fact, he's not even androgynous. I mean, 297 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,520 he's really wearing women's clothes. 298 00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:28,010 What we understood from David was you could be someone else. There wasn't just 299 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:32,790 fixed way of looking. One day you could be someone from the future and the next 300 00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:34,550 day you could be someone from the past. 301 00:25:57,829 --> 00:26:02,090 He wasn't just playing a loud rock and roll song, you know. 302 00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:06,750 This guy is the Miles Davis of the rock world. 303 00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:14,070 The night before that famous show was on in Hammersmith, I had been with David 304 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:18,350 and he was talking about how that was going to be the end of Ziggy. 305 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,420 You can see nobody else really seemed to know about it 306 00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:49,250 You could see people losing their breath in the audience. It was like, really? 307 00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:54,870 He basically was letting go of the band on stage. 308 00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:03,490 Bye -bye, 309 00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:05,610 we love you. 310 00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:12,390 There was a sense of devastation. 311 00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:16,600 as we all got the tube home that night, a sense of mourning that went round. 312 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,740 I think they thought it might have not been for real, but David knew it was for 313 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:24,200 real. He was killing off his character. 314 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:30,680 I knew this was going to be happening, but the band didn't know, and they were 315 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,700 my friends, so it was shocking. 316 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:38,640 I think David just didn't need anyone. Once he had got what he needed from 317 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,460 somebody, he dropped them. 318 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:46,270 And I think already David in his head was thinking about the next album he was 319 00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:51,130 going to do. A caterpillar has to come out of its cocoon in order to become a 320 00:27:51,130 --> 00:27:55,410 butterfly, and he was ready to take off for the next lot of amazing things. 321 00:27:56,770 --> 00:28:02,010 I still find it fascinating that he would go to those lengths to reinvent 322 00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:06,330 himself in a way that was possibly commercially damaging. 323 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,400 Hence Tin Machine in the early 90s, where he thought, I'll be a band, you 324 00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:14,940 a really bad band with a really bad name. 325 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,280 Now music from a band formed only three years ago with a second album and a new 326 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,240 single, You Belong in Rock and Roll. 327 00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:39,390 Keep an eye on their promising young vocalist. 328 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:40,950 Tin Machine. 329 00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:04,640 When we finished the second record, we had these suits with no collars in 330 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,220 colors. I used to call them the Vulcan pimp suits. 331 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,480 They look like something out of Star Trek. 332 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:17,420 That bothers me more than the lip syncing. 333 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,320 I love how she moves me. 334 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,140 It makes me feel all right, all right, all right, all right. 335 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,740 One of the things David insisted on was he never did an interview by himself. 336 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:50,860 It's new. It's new for us anyway to see you part of a band rather than just 337 00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:52,480 fronting a big spectacular. 338 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,380 Was it a deliberate attempt for you to go in another direction? 339 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,840 We just got around to jamming, really, and it just felt like a good thing to 340 00:30:01,940 --> 00:30:03,560 So we're just doing it today. 341 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,840 What are you trying to do? 342 00:30:06,420 --> 00:30:12,740 The fact that he was putting himself inside a band was 343 00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:17,800 not what some of his fan base wanted. They wanted just David. 344 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:24,460 After the Sound and Vision tour, basically, EMI had said that they didn't 345 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:26,850 want... a second tin machine record. 346 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:30,270 So they terminated his contract early. 347 00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:34,750 They set David free and gave him his catalog. 348 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:36,770 That was the deal. 349 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:42,770 I imagine it's just some suits in a boardroom deciding they didn't make 350 00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:46,430 money off the first one. They wanted David to do Let's Dance 2. 351 00:30:47,050 --> 00:30:50,070 They wanted him to be the same, and he wanted to be different. 352 00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:53,630 We were pretty sure that we would find a home. 353 00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:58,690 You know, you got David Bowie as your lead singer, so we ended up going with a 354 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,030 company called Victory for the second record. 355 00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:06,910 We all knew that the second Tim Machine album was coming out. I remember 356 00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:10,650 thinking, well, at least it can't be worse than the first, right? 357 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:15,450 Then, of course, I got a call from the office saying, we need you to review the 358 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:16,249 new album. 359 00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:18,370 and we need it in by tomorrow morning. 360 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:24,110 Ah, here we go. 361 00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:29,370 We might begin by listing some of the totally crap things about David Bowie 362 00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:34,390 the last ten years. His suits, his tan, his shoes, his shirts, his fake Cockney 363 00:31:34,390 --> 00:31:38,510 accent. This is the man who spent half a lifetime brilliantly redefining himself 364 00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:43,770 and now finds himself at the age of 44 in a somewhat unlikely role. 365 00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:49,870 of international laughing stock my god the poor deluded fool believes that this 366 00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:56,430 glorified pub rock is what we want hot tramp we loved you so now for god's sake 367 00:31:56,430 --> 00:32:02,310 sit down man you're a fucking disgrace so i wrote the review and it was 368 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:06,890 published next thing i know i pick up the phone early on monday morning and 369 00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:11,270 alan jones the editor of melody maker and he said john we need you to come 370 00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:15,100 the office i knew i was in for some kind of bollocking I walk into the office 371 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:22,040 and there's Alan Jones and Alan Edwards, who was David Bowie's long -standing 372 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,580 PR. He explained that he'd been out in Switzerland, sitting there doing some 373 00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:29,440 work in the living room and David was at the other end of the living room 374 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,440 looking through the papers. 375 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:36,020 And Alan said, he suddenly heard this noise and he looked up and he realised 376 00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:37,500 that David Bowie was crying. 377 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,660 Bowie had been reading my tin machine review. 378 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,540 I wasn't for a moment thinking that David Bowie would have any interest 379 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:51,680 whatsoever in what some Burke from the Melody Maker had to say about the second 380 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,679 Tin Machine album. 381 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,080 I thought that Bowie was so seasoned that he really wouldn't take any reviews 382 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:04,360 that seriously and just keep on rolling. But it shows that his ego was as 383 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,980 fragile as any other artist. 384 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:10,040 I think the poor reception of... 385 00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:14,630 Almost everything that Tin Machine did would have been very bruising for him 386 00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:16,330 because the reviews were tough. 387 00:33:16,770 --> 00:33:23,630 I think a lot of mainstream people were alienated by the music. We cared 388 00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:28,190 when we were completely misunderstood or if we were dismissed. 389 00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:35,550 That was irritating and hurtful. We got irritated more than we got hurt because 390 00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:37,410 we knew what we were doing was valid. 391 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:45,570 After the second record, the band sort of faded away. 392 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:47,970 It just moved on, really. 393 00:33:48,270 --> 00:33:52,550 I don't think there was anything harsh about it or nasty about it. You know, 394 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:56,210 they'd done two albums and that was it. It wasn't going to last forever. 395 00:33:56,910 --> 00:34:02,330 I think having a knockback like that when you've had enormous success for a 396 00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:06,610 couple of decades would sort of take a pickaxe to your identity. 397 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,320 and makes you question whether you can still carry on in that game. 398 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,380 Imagine being one of those early astronauts. 399 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:29,679 The powerlessness of it if things go wrong. 400 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,920 How do you get ready for that? 401 00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:37,610 How do you become a person who can accelerate to the incredible speed that 402 00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:39,230 need in order to escape from Earth? 403 00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:45,409 The forces outstrip anything else you've ever been in in your life. 404 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:53,710 You're getting relentlessly crushed until it's hard to just get a breath. 405 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:26,280 Life on Mars. 406 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:34,220 It makes me think about loneliness and the idea of life feeling alien within 407 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:37,400 actual environment where you live, where the family that you live in. 408 00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:49,710 I was in Lou Josie Trill's home in Willingdon, Wolverhampton. We had 409 00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:53,710 night and we could sit in the TV room and watch Top of the Pops. 410 00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:56,250 I'll never forget how different he was than anything else. 411 00:36:01,210 --> 00:36:02,210 Being lost. 412 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,420 And being out there, you know, being in the care system, lost souls, it felt 413 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:17,420 like it was part of you and you felt, you know, like you go in the garden and 414 00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:18,440 hang upside down. 415 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,840 Try to imagine space. 416 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,080 All artists, you do your best work all the time. 417 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,060 And some of it, people think it's fantastic, and some of it, people just 418 00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:40,780 it's shit. But, you know, you don't know that in advance. You just do your best. 419 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,820 And so 1993 begins. 420 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,100 Goodbye to the old and hello to the new. 421 00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:56,860 When I knew him in the early 90s, he felt that people were kind of forgetting 422 00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:58,680 about him and he was kind of disappearing. 423 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,580 He was a bit worried that his time was over, it was gone, and he didn't have 424 00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:04,580 anything else to give. 425 00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:08,840 I went to do an interview with him in Chalk Farm for a magazine. 426 00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:12,300 He had this very unusual level of charm. 427 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:17,040 Everybody wanted to know him and be with him, you know, it must have made him 428 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,980 crazy. David said he'd been reading my book, The Brother of Suburbia, and I 429 00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:26,000 think he liked the book because it reminded him of where he came from. 430 00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:33,290 Where we were in the suburbs, it was painstakingly boring. 431 00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:39,550 It was just this great slab of concrete with nine -to -five commuterism. 432 00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:44,390 Absolutely no future but this bleak, almost Orwellian world. 433 00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:50,230 And there just seemed no way out. And we just wanted some kind of colour, 434 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:52,230 exhilaration in our lives, I think. 435 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:56,750 Many of us just opted for anything that was available, just grabbed hold of it 436 00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:58,090 and said, that's my way out. 437 00:38:01,390 --> 00:38:05,850 When we were doing The Bureau of Suburbia on telly, we filmed all around 438 00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:06,850 London. 439 00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:13,390 The series is a kind of comedy about a young mixed -race boy who's half 440 00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:19,170 half Indian, Pakistani, growing up in the suburbs in the 70s, who discovers 441 00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,190 sexuality by having sex with Charlie Hero, his schoolmate. 442 00:38:24,130 --> 00:38:29,290 It's about coming of age, it's about bisexuality and what it's like to grow 443 00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:30,450 mixed -race in the UK. 444 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,480 The poor, the foul, the false. 445 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,200 Love counts, I admit. 446 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,400 Charlie Hero really comes out of all the kids in Bromley who wanted to be David 447 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,320 Bowie. You'd walk up Beckenham High Street, I remember running into a friend 448 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,780 mine, he was dressed almost entirely in tinfoil. He looked like a salt -and 449 00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:56,620 -pepper shaker. And this was Bowie during his silver period. 450 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,560 David said he wanted to write original music for the soundtrack. 451 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,340 He was a man who always wanted to do new things, you know. He was always looking 452 00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:07,380 for someone else who would turn him on. 453 00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:14,120 Art is a collaborative form, and I love finding new people to work with, 454 00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:21,040 just as he did all the time. Now I work with my son Carlo because I can't use 455 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,300 my hands, and he types and writes with me, and we do stuff together. 456 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,940 So great to see that video. 457 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:45,160 Giving in lines by the railway line Pushing 458 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,940 the hair from my eyes Elvis is 459 00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:58,560 English and climbs the hill Can't tell the bullshit 460 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,500 from the lines Bowie looks so good and he looks so cool. It's very moving to 461 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,860 him. It's quite a nostalgic song, actually. 462 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:09,520 You know, it's about... He talks about Elvis. 463 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,100 He talks about being bisexual. 464 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,740 Sometimes I fear That the whole world is queer 465 00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:23,440 Sometimes but always in fear 466 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,800 So I'll wait and deal with time 467 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,180 It's a very sweet video. It's about... 468 00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:39,110 A man returning to a place where he grew up, thinking about it, walking through 469 00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:43,310 it, and making music that would rather resemble the music he made in the early 470 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:45,950 70s, actually. It's as though he's looking back. 471 00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:53,130 When I 472 00:40:53,130 --> 00:41:00,490 first 473 00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:03,690 got invited to play with Bowie, it was 1974, right? 474 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:09,170 The androgynous thing was kind of peaking at that point. He didn't have 475 00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:12,730 eyebrows. Just seeing him walk through the door was a trip. 476 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:18,810 New York was very happening in those days. If you happen to like Studio 54 or 477 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:24,450 whatever, David was just absorbing the American lifestyle, which, let's face 478 00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:26,770 was far more interesting than Bromley. 479 00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:31,970 So we started off on the Diamond Dogs tour. 480 00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:43,190 It was a whole big extravaganza show, but he wanted to 481 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:47,570 change things up. He was already starting to write stuff for young 482 00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:49,430 Okay, what do we got here? 483 00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:03,820 Oh, look at me with my little 1970s clothes on. Terrible. 484 00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:09,820 Oh, my God. Look how young Davey Sanborn is. Holy shit. 485 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,900 He looks really good on 486 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:29,140 camera when he's singing. 487 00:42:40,939 --> 00:42:47,300 There's Avid and Luther, Vandross and Robin Clark, Jeffrey McCormack. It was a 488 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,460 damn good sounding band. 489 00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:57,920 Young Americans, that's basically... 490 00:42:58,430 --> 00:43:01,690 David's new soul guy thing going on. 491 00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:03,490 The sound changed a lot. 492 00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:09,210 It wasn't a surprise because if you just go back to album from Hunky Dory on, 493 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:15,470 each one of them was markedly different than the next one. But as an artist, he 494 00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:17,990 was not afraid to go into that danger zone. 495 00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:24,010 For me and lots of my friends, Young Americans was the record. That was the 496 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,060 felt so different and so sophisticated, just kind of innately stylish and kind 497 00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:31,060 of fantastic. 498 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,900 Partly he was embracing America with a music that he had completely co -opted. 499 00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:41,340 He once said that Young Americans was his fake soul record or ersatz or 500 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:44,280 whatever. I think it's one of the best soul records ever made. I think it's 501 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,280 amazing. 502 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,380 He would find the most glittering... 503 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:55,880 cultural and musical nexus of that moment, and he would transmute it in his 504 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,960 way. With varying degrees of popular success, it must be said, but he was 505 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,840 experimenting. He would say that he approached his music more like an art 506 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,740 director. Most originality, I think, comes out of recombination. 507 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,900 You don't reinvent the wheel, but you redesign the wheel. 508 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,740 and you put the wheel on something no one's seen before, that's invention. 509 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,640 And David was always looking for the new thing. 510 00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:59,430 In the 90s, rape came like a tsunami, and it came out of the political mess 511 00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:04,630 country was in. The new criminal justice bill. Provisions include giving police 512 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:06,770 new powers to act against rape parties. 513 00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:12,530 The most comprehensive program of action against crime that has ever been 514 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:15,910 announced. The bill has brought together a coalition of protesters. 515 00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:21,050 They might as well have got a bucket of petrol and gone, throw it on the fire. 516 00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:32,210 David was always drawn to counter -cultural forces. 517 00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:35,530 He wasn't thinking about Britpop or Oasis. 518 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:40,370 It wasn't about having a central figure prancing around on the stage anymore. 519 00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:45,830 It was about the DJs playing these songs and they take this record and they take 520 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:49,950 this one and they put them in the mix and in this space in the mix. 521 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,880 They're creating something that you've never heard. 522 00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:00,340 Bowie saw that really early on. The first time I met David, it would have 523 00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:01,340 1995. 524 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,800 And then years later, he lived close enough to me that we could wave to each 525 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,820 other from our respective roof decks. 526 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,000 We ended up working together a lot. 527 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:17,080 It would just make sense that he would hear electronic music in the 90s and 528 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,080 think, huh. 529 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,800 This is genuinely new. 530 00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:26,500 And like the guitar music of the early 90s was pretty conventional, whereas 531 00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,480 culture wasn't. And so I think he was really excited by that. 532 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,420 Timeless was my coming of age album. From an English perspective, it was 533 00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:47,080 something that was so new, hadn't been done before. 534 00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:49,770 I knew it was going to open up a massive door. 535 00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:53,270 I was looking for a place where we could find a home. 536 00:46:53,570 --> 00:46:57,090 And Blue Note came in Hoxton Square. And what a club. 537 00:46:57,410 --> 00:47:02,010 It was like this really Stranger Things version of Studio 54. 538 00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:06,570 The queue was round the block and it was a basement. 539 00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:09,590 So the sound couldn't go anywhere. 540 00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:14,690 When David used to come to Blue Note, he was soaking it up. 541 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:16,350 just taking in this energy. 542 00:47:16,610 --> 00:47:22,510 And I remember you'd come out of his furnace, dripping wet, and you'd sit on 543 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:24,170 steps, and he'd just roll his cigarette. 544 00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:27,390 He'd be like, see what goes, that energy in that club. 545 00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:30,670 It's like nothing else. It just surrounds you. 546 00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:33,310 Everyone's really lovely people, really beautiful. 547 00:47:33,730 --> 00:47:39,750 If I would have said to myself in Lou Josu Children's Home that in 30, 40 548 00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:42,670 from then, I'd be working with him in the studio. 549 00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:47,510 Would you like to relate to me? 550 00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:56,650 There's no way on God's green earth he would have been like... I felt so 551 00:47:56,650 --> 00:48:01,070 proud of it because he's a really important artist. 552 00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:07,350 We finished a concert somewhere in England and David said, let's go over to 553 00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:10,630 rave and we'll be in a tent. 554 00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:16,140 and the lights will be dim. We'll just do instrumental improvisation. And we 555 00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:17,140 did. 556 00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:33,200 We were joking about, in the Financial Times, there's the Dow Jones Index. So 557 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,080 decided to call the band the Dow Jones Index, but spelled T -A -O. 558 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,380 When we were the Dow Jones Index, I'm thinking of everything I learned going 559 00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:46,840 raves and things like that. 560 00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:50,600 The only live thing on stage was David Sack. 561 00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:02,300 All that stuff crept into the Earthling record. 562 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,280 The Earthling record is not a drum and bass record or an EDM record. 563 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,900 But it was influenced by all those things. And that is David at his best, 564 00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:21,860 when he picks and chooses the things that he likes and then puts 565 00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:24,100 it in music that is his. 566 00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:50,730 Little wonder, we were joking one day about alternative seven dwarfs, 567 00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:57,330 like instead of sleepy and grumpy, what if you had junky and druggie? And they 568 00:49:57,330 --> 00:50:01,230 are in the verses, but they're fused in a more oblique way. 569 00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:19,840 You really hear that drum and bass beat there. But the drum and bass stuff in 570 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,940 the mid -90s didn't have a lot of melody. But the song is catchy. 571 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,760 And as you can see, his artistic sense is incredible. 572 00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:36,360 For me, His dabbling in dance music I don't think was particularly successful 573 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,900 because it didn't feel real. It felt like he was latching onto something. 574 00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:43,860 It's David Bowie doing drum and bass. 575 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,880 It'd be like David Bowie doing heavy metal or country music. It just felt a 576 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,980 weird. In the course of my life, I've experimented with tons of different 577 00:50:54,980 --> 00:51:00,900 and instruments and instrumentation. And from a career perspective, it's one of 578 00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:02,200 the stupidest things you can do. 579 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,880 If your priority is a career, you pick a sound, it works, you stick with it. 580 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:12,760 The moment you start experimenting, you have to understand people are going to 581 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,300 be annoyed. People are going to lose interest. 582 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,140 People are going to get mad at you. But you do it because you want to, because 583 00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:23,940 you're driven by the love of the new, because you want to experiment 584 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,180 And obviously, David, his priority was really, you know, like pushing himself 585 00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:29,180 and experimenting. 586 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,480 That was one of the really important things I've been inspired by, that you 587 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,260 and do have the ability to reinvent yourself and start like it was like, 588 00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:43,620 the first day of the rest of my life. 589 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,870 The end of the 90s, it was a very weird time. 590 00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,450 It felt quite upbeat. 591 00:52:11,770 --> 00:52:15,590 There was a lot of optimism still. You know, the Labour government hadn't been 592 00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:19,830 in long. It felt like, you know, things could only get better. But also, there 593 00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:20,830 was a lot of fear. 594 00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:25,670 Remember the Y2K thing? We all thought at the stroke of midnight, 2000, the 595 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:29,410 planet was going to, like, end or something. It felt like we were 596 00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:32,590 between two worlds, one that was in the past and one was in the future. 597 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,380 It sounds so weird to say this now, but David Bowie at that point 598 00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:50,320 was... I don't want to use the word irrelevant, but almost sort of like, 599 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,080 whatever. It's kind of odd that we revere this extraordinary person, quite 600 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,680 rightly, but there was a period, quite a lengthy period, where he just wasn't 601 00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,680 cool. 602 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,360 In the 90s, David... 603 00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:11,350 Wasn't over happy about anybody suggesting he should perform Ziggy 604 00:53:11,350 --> 00:53:14,930 the songs that went with it. He felt like it was the past and he was more 605 00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:19,810 interested in the future, I would say. It became a situation where you wouldn't 606 00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:24,310 bring it up really because you knew what his opinion was and his attitude was. I 607 00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:28,130 had the genius idea of why don't we play Glastonbury next year? 608 00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:35,170 You know, every artist of decent stature has headlined Glastonbury. 609 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,480 To perform to that many people lifts artists to a different level. 610 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:46,860 We were playing this Storia with essentially the drums and bass and stuff 611 00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:52,040 went with it. So I invited the organiser of Glastonbury Festival, Michael Evers, 612 00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:57,280 who sadly walked out halfway through the show because he didn't think David was 613 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,960 performing all of the hits and he just thought it wouldn't go down well as a 614 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,960 headliner. 615 00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:09,670 The next day I went with Alan Edwards to the Spice Girls and Alan introduced me 616 00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:12,190 to journalists and she said, have you got any gossip? 617 00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:16,470 I had nothing to say of any consequence, so I made up the story. 618 00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:21,250 I said, yeah, Glastonbury are begging David Bowie to headline next year. 619 00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:23,430 Never thought twice about it. 620 00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:25,370 And then a week later... 621 00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:30,200 I open the paper, and there's a half -page spread about Glastonbury want 622 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,960 Bowie, and Michael suddenly gets all these letters, faxes, phone calls, and 623 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,700 eventually ends up making me an offer for David to play. I thought, fantastic, 624 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,960 I've cracked it. 625 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,560 And I phone up David and say, I've got this offer. 626 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,320 David said, great, thanks very much indeed, but I can't do it. 627 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,740 I said, what do you mean you can't do it? 628 00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:54,770 Headline in Glastonbury is huge for any artist. 629 00:54:55,030 --> 00:55:01,090 At that point, where people had the level of ambivalence towards him, I 630 00:55:01,090 --> 00:55:03,650 it must have felt like quite a big thing. 631 00:55:03,970 --> 00:55:08,730 I thought I was in shit street. I thought I'd blown it completely and I 632 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:13,170 desperately trying to think how I could resolve it and make it happen. 633 00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:23,290 Good evening. NASA had been hoping to hear that the Mars polar probe had 634 00:55:23,290 --> 00:55:27,390 two hours ago. We'll be hearing very shortly from David Bowie about whether 635 00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:30,490 thinks there's life on Mars. Did I read somewhere that you said if you were 19, 636 00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:31,930 you wouldn't go into the music business? 637 00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:37,770 I wanted to be a musician because it seemed rebellious. It seemed subversive. 638 00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:43,210 felt like one could affect change. It had a kind of a call to arms kind of 639 00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:47,190 feeling to it. This is the thing that will... change things. Now it's a career 640 00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:53,970 opportunity, and the Internet now carries the flag of being subversive and 641 00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:57,590 possibly rebellious. You don't think that some of the claims being made for 642 00:55:57,590 --> 00:55:59,570 are hugely exaggerated? 643 00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:02,470 I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg. 644 00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:08,410 I think the potential of what the Internet is going to do to society, both 645 00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:11,670 and bad, is unimaginable. 646 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,640 I think we're actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and terrifying. 647 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,020 It's just a tool, though, isn't it? No, it's not, no. 648 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,540 No, it's an alien life form. 649 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,940 What do you think, I mean, when you think then about... Is there life on 650 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,600 Yes, it's just landed here. 651 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,680 It's 1999. 652 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:39,380 Everybody thinks the internet is just for emails, but he foresaw it. He 653 00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:43,350 that it was about to change society and... Such a huge win. 654 00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:46,170 I think that Barry definitely was a cultural prophet. 655 00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:52,210 He always had this, the amazing Mr Truffle, the idea he could sniff out or 656 00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:53,310 change coming. 657 00:56:53,590 --> 00:56:56,190 I still think that's one of the greatest interviews he's ever done. 658 00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:58,350 I did the first Lastenbury. 659 00:56:59,390 --> 00:57:06,190 I think I might be up for doing another one quite shortly, which will also be 660 00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:10,250 something I could definitely consider. I don't know, though. I haven't made up 661 00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:11,250 my mind. 662 00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:17,630 There was a period of time when it wasn't going to happen and I was really 663 00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:21,910 worried about it because I thought it was daft to turn down the opportunity. 664 00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:26,210 So I thought, you have to persuade him it's a good idea. 665 00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:31,530 I said, well, if you don't do it, somebody else of the calibre of Madonna 666 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:33,990 do it and you'll miss the point forever. 667 00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:38,890 And eventually he thought, fuck it, David Bowie should play Glastonbury. It 668 00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:40,110 creates history. 669 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,860 Welcome to the new millennium. 670 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:15,880 At the end of the 90s, I guess, him and Reeves Cabral just weren't happening 671 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,300 anymore. Reeves left. 672 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720 I loved what we did. 673 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,060 I mean, he gave me a career. 674 00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:29,880 But at the end, I felt like he was entering a phase where he was looking 675 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:30,940 over his life. 676 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,040 You know, I was 10 years younger. 677 00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:39,320 He said a funny thing. He wanted to make music for his generation. 678 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:46,020 He wanted to put together a band that was more of the classic Bowie sound, 679 00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:47,240 whatever that would be. 680 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,640 I said... 681 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:55,120 To David, I think I need to go now. It was time to cast a new movie. 682 00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,540 And he flew me in. 683 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,760 And the first thing that David said to me, he said, we're going to play Stay. 684 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,080 He loved that song. 685 00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:14,220 I was trying to be polite, and I had my amp at kind of medium volume. He goes, 686 00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:16,340 what happened to you? Turn that fucking thing up. 687 00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:29,690 I played that and a smile broke out on his face and it was amazing. 688 00:59:30,010 --> 00:59:31,010 And that was it. 689 00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:32,210 Done. 690 00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:33,510 Back in. 691 00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:39,650 What I knew about Glastonbury when we were booked to do it was that it was 692 00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:45,350 huge festival and that if you got the headline that you had to be pretty big. 693 00:59:45,350 --> 00:59:50,710 knew that Glastonbury meant a lot to him. 30 years had passed since he did 694 00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:51,710 first performance. 695 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,640 He put us on a little short tour so we could get tight. 696 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,260 Glastonbury was imminent. 697 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,520 It was close. 698 01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:12,400 I can remember during that week, his voice was just kind of gone. 699 01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:20,480 Somebody made an executive decision to cancel a warm -up gig in New York City. 700 01:00:20,820 --> 01:00:24,060 You can't blow Glastonbury when you're headlining, you know? 701 01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:32,290 I went down in the coach with David and the rest of the band. 702 01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:35,550 David and I sat at the front of the coach, just talking. 703 01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:37,170 He was quite nervous. 704 01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:39,150 It was like his big comeback. 705 01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:42,330 He had a sore throat. 706 01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:47,510 His assistant, Coco, she told him to shut up because he was about to do a big 707 01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:50,490 gig and wasn't supposed to spend hours talking to me. 708 01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:53,070 But he was talking, he wanted to talk. 709 01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:58,940 The Glastonbury Music Festival is in full swing. After 30 years, it's proved 710 01:00:58,940 --> 01:00:59,940 popular as ever. 711 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,980 So great is the demand that scores of people without tickets have been looking 712 01:01:03,980 --> 01:01:05,380 for gaps in the perimeter fences. 713 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,520 By the end, I think Glastonbury was a cultural moment. 714 01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:16,520 It was absolutely huge. 715 01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:19,700 We got there early. 716 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,360 Just to do a quick sound check. 717 01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:29,960 Right before the show, his assistant comes in, she goes, David needs to 718 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,680 your boots for the show. I said, what the fuck are you talking about? 719 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,280 He said, he got these new boots and he doesn't like them. 720 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,520 I'm like, why is that my problem? 721 01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:42,100 So she gave me the shoes, right, and we wear the same size. 722 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,360 I said, you know what, here's my boots, and I put on my Chuck Taylors, because I 723 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,760 wasn't about to break in a new pair of pointy boots on a show like that. 724 01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:56,440 The level of expectation was extraordinary. 725 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,240 In the back of my brain, I thought he's not stupid. He's going to play a few 726 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,320 hits, come what may. 727 01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:05,460 But I thought he'd probably do them at the end of the show. 728 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,480 He wouldn't play the whole set as such. 729 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,660 But I think he made a decision. 730 01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:13,900 That's the biggest crowd I've ever seen in my life. 731 01:02:14,140 --> 01:02:16,220 I mean, it just went on and on. 732 01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:17,820 Never ended. 733 01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:22,040 Must have been like 250 ,000 people. That was massive. 734 01:02:24,490 --> 01:02:27,530 I know people who get terrified and just puke before a show, right? 735 01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:30,230 Dave and me, we're very similar in this way. 736 01:02:30,690 --> 01:02:33,530 We would get antsy, right? 737 01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:38,830 Not like stage fright, but antsy, you know, like... I was one of the 738 01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:40,070 for the BBC coverage. 739 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,400 It's a moment we have all been waiting for. The thin white suit returns to 740 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,200 Glastonbury. The last time he said yeah is 1971. 741 01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:52,360 I was like, yeah, here's David Bowie. Like, completely nonplussed. It's like 742 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,200 it's David Bowie. Like, have some reverence. 743 01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,360 I remember being right outside the steps that lead up to the stage, and I looked 744 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:07,680 out there, and I think David did too, and I felt David get nervous. 745 01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:11,090 He said, go out and warm up the audience. 746 01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:18,270 The last time he asked me to warm up the crowd was in 1973 at the Hammersmith, 747 01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:20,270 the same thing. I said, what? 748 01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:27,890 Then I played this crazy version of Greenfleet. 749 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:37,450 The audience, they're getting restless. They don't know what's going to happen, 750 01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:42,610 and I'm the only one on stage. I actually played Greensleeves faster than 751 01:03:42,610 --> 01:03:45,290 normally play it because I wanted to be done with it. 752 01:03:55,330 --> 01:03:57,690 And then the band comes on, thank God. 753 01:04:19,790 --> 01:04:21,810 standing right at the bottom of that chair. 754 01:04:22,790 --> 01:04:25,370 He walks on and there's a little bit of trepidation. 755 01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:40,270 His first words are, love me, love me. 756 01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:45,290 Love me, love me, love me, love me, save me too. 757 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,300 Let me fly away with you. 758 01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:04,180 Oh, my love is like the wind. 759 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,660 There's no wind. 760 01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:12,300 Wild as the Wind is one of those songs. 761 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,740 There's a fragile vulnerability to it. 762 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,800 Facing a crowd of that scale. 763 01:05:19,390 --> 01:05:23,470 At that time in his career, it would have been running through his head. Is 764 01:05:23,470 --> 01:05:24,470 something I can do? 765 01:05:38,050 --> 01:05:39,510 Oh, thank you so much. 766 01:05:41,370 --> 01:05:42,370 Thank you. 767 01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:45,070 Oh, Glastonbury. 768 01:05:45,830 --> 01:05:47,730 You've got a very, very lucky face. 769 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:49,280 All of you. 770 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:56,480 I'm very fearful tonight, as I got struck down by laryngitis earlier this 771 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,040 So if I give out, and if any of you know any of the words, for God's sake, 772 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,180 join in. 773 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,100 I can't remember. 774 01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:15,700 Oh my, shut up. I remember this. 775 01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:29,210 It's a god of a small affair to the girl with a massive head. 776 01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:33,270 And her mommy is yelling no. 777 01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:37,870 And her daddy has told her to go. 778 01:06:39,070 --> 01:06:42,250 But her friend is nowhere to be seen. 779 01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:43,490 Great hair. 780 01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:46,590 And she walks through the sunken dream. 781 01:06:47,070 --> 01:06:51,450 This almost brings me to tears looking at this shit. It does. I get chills on 782 01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:58,270 this. And she's hooked to a silver screen But the film's a 783 01:06:58,270 --> 01:07:04,250 sad and poor Cos she's lived it ten times or more 784 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:06,350 The notes are there. 785 01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:12,570 Well, he hasn't got laryngitis, I'll tell you that. They ask her to focus on 786 01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:17,150 Satan's fighting in the dance hall 787 01:07:19,690 --> 01:07:22,050 Look at those cavemen go. 788 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:26,010 It's a freaky show. 789 01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:34,510 Take a look at the old man beating up the wrong guy. 790 01:07:35,030 --> 01:07:36,410 Old man. 791 01:07:36,690 --> 01:07:39,090 Wonder if he'll ever know. 792 01:07:41,350 --> 01:07:43,550 It's the best -selling show. 793 01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:48,330 Is there life on board? 794 01:07:53,980 --> 01:08:00,740 Wow. So he had emerged into a new millennium and it was just 795 01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:04,200 perfect. That was where everything shifted. 796 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,940 He's almost like taking the crowd by the hand and saying, come with me. 797 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,320 It's going to be OK. 798 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,020 Right on the money, man. Right on the fucking money. 799 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,200 Damn. 800 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:35,880 He's killing it. 801 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,500 He's killing it. 802 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,800 I wish they'd show his fingers. I want to see my boots. 803 01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:01,720 And there you have it. 804 01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:08,800 I remember when he came off stage, he was so relieved, man. 805 01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:14,899 And he ran up to Duncan, his son, and they embraced and David cried 806 01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:20,100 because it was such a triumph. He did such a great gig. They played so well. 807 01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:25,090 That was the moment, the turning point, after ten years, not in the wilderness, 808 01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:29,189 but there, and suddenly it went back to there. 809 01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:33,710 It's like growing into your own skin, and it reinvented his career, really. 810 01:09:34,790 --> 01:09:38,430 Glastonbury was the last time I saw him. I didn't see him after that. 811 01:09:38,810 --> 01:09:43,630 David Bowie would get very close to people very quickly, become mates with 812 01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:45,950 and then he'd drop them and find someone else. 813 01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:50,630 Some people were very resentful of that, very annoyed about that, but I saw it 814 01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:51,870 was necessary for him. 815 01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:56,330 He got everything he wanted out of me, and that was that as far as he was 816 01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:57,330 concerned. 817 01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:11,370 The reality tour was a really big tour. 818 01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:15,230 It was the best band we ever had, the best performances we ever did. 819 01:10:16,810 --> 01:10:18,050 It kicked ass. 820 01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:26,530 I think after the Glastonbury, David got comfortable with his back catalog. He 821 01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:33,390 must have recognized nothing wrong with a balance, new stuff and old stuff. And 822 01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:37,890 you have to be respectful to the music you created and the fans who love that. 823 01:10:37,930 --> 01:10:40,990 It's not a sellout. It's bringing you joy. 824 01:10:41,650 --> 01:10:42,870 What do you feel right now? 825 01:10:43,820 --> 01:10:47,200 I enjoy the songs a lot, so I'm going to have a good time. 826 01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:54,840 There were a couple of different Davids. There was the 70s David, the 80s David, 827 01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:57,240 and then the 21st century David. 828 01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:03,280 And I loved the 21st century David to death. I really did. We were older and 829 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:09,280 cleaned up, but, you know, we both suffered from really fucking bad 830 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,280 at times. 831 01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:11,460 Really bad. 832 01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:14,480 What did Winston Churchill call it? The black dog, right? 833 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,860 I said, it's happening again. 834 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,760 And we would talk through it, you know. 835 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,700 And when he would get like that, everybody in the band was trying to talk 836 01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:26,380 him. I would stay away because, you know, when he gets like that, leave him 837 01:11:26,380 --> 01:11:27,880 alone. He'll figure it out. 838 01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:32,760 All the shit is coming up. We can't wait to bring our show to you. 839 01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:36,540 Whatever the show is, it'll be fun. All right. See you there. 840 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,460 When we did the Prague show, you know, some of these venues in Europe, the 841 01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:50,840 places are kind of weird. It was really hot in this place that day. Fucking 842 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,840 really hot. 843 01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:59,000 If I remember correctly, he wanted to start the show with 844 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,560 life on Mars. 845 01:12:01,060 --> 01:12:03,280 And he couldn't hit the notes. It was weird. 846 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,800 Something looked odd. 847 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:10,960 As a... 848 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,320 and having played for so many singers, there's a connection. 849 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,340 I could feel my hands tighten up when I was accompanying him. 850 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,040 Something was going on. 851 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,940 He was in pain. 852 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:31,040 On a telepathic level, I was feeling that. 853 01:12:54,879 --> 01:13:01,380 He saw the doctor and they told him it was a muscle 854 01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:05,300 spasm. And then we did the hurricane festival. 855 01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:10,960 The hurricane festival in Germany is a big one. And he looked like hell. He 856 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:11,960 didn't look good. 857 01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:15,610 His skin color didn't look good. I thought, oh, fuck. 858 01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:19,090 They're not telling us everything is the first thing that I thought. 859 01:13:19,370 --> 01:13:24,150 And the second the show was over, they zoomed him to the hospital, you know. 860 01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:28,850 He had an artifact. 861 01:13:29,230 --> 01:13:30,810 It was a very weird ending. 862 01:13:31,810 --> 01:13:35,110 And then there was kind of just silence for a while. 863 01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:37,230 Nine years of it. 864 01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:39,130 David Bowie. 865 01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:42,240 required emergency heart surgery in Germany. 866 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,280 No longer a space oddity, it appears Bowie is the man who finally fell to 867 01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:03,600 I don't think I'm as obsessive as I used to be by any means. 868 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:08,240 Feelings of alienation kind of dissipated over the last ten years for 869 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:16,480 I live a very fulfilling life with my chosen partner and family. 870 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:22,820 I'm very lucky. 871 01:14:37,450 --> 01:14:39,910 I used to work on The Breakfast Show and Six Music, so I was always up very, 872 01:14:39,970 --> 01:14:40,970 very early. 873 01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:47,170 And I got a call one day from a friend of mine who worked with David Bowie. 874 01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:49,950 And he said, will you be up at five o 'clock tomorrow morning? 875 01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:51,190 I said, yes. 876 01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:57,510 I wake up in the morning, drag myself out of bed, look at my phone, and there 877 01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:58,510 is. 878 01:14:58,570 --> 01:15:00,450 The announcement of a brand new David Bowie single. 879 01:15:00,730 --> 01:15:04,430 This is his first single in years. The first music we've heard from him in 880 01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:05,430 years. 881 01:15:05,550 --> 01:15:09,670 And so we download it and we get it out on air as soon as we possibly could. 882 01:15:11,210 --> 01:15:14,350 Well, this is massive and totally unexpected music news. 883 01:15:14,690 --> 01:15:20,410 David Bowie has a new album and a new single. I can't describe how scared I 884 01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:22,270 It's better been good. 885 01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:25,010 Or, oh, it's going to be heartbreaking. 886 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,140 Now, he's been a virtual recluse for the past few years and has been rarely seen 887 01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:33,260 in public in his New York home, which made it all the more surprising this 888 01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:37,460 morning, the day of his 66th birthday at about 5 .15 a .m. There was a press 889 01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:40,800 release confirming a new single and his first studio album in a decade. 890 01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:44,360 We knew that the song was going to break in London. 891 01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:47,600 David wanted it to be a complete surprise. 892 01:15:48,140 --> 01:15:52,520 And suddenly, there it goes. He's playing it. He's playing it now. 893 01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:06,880 And then we watched the Internet light up like, you know, 894 01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:10,780 this row of like, David Bowie made a new record. What the fuck? 895 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:18,500 Had to get the train from Potsdam up there. 896 01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:27,720 It's such a beautiful, fragile, eloquent. 897 01:16:31,099 --> 01:16:32,900 This song is 898 01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:39,460 about the 899 01:16:39,460 --> 01:16:45,280 fond memories of living in Berlin, the freedom he enjoyed being a relatively 900 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,420 unknown person. 901 01:16:57,020 --> 01:17:00,480 He was being more introspective, looking at his past. 902 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,640 At some point, most of us will do that, you know, look back and go, well, that 903 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,060 was good. That was good. 904 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,540 But there's a lot of sadness in that song, too. 905 01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:29,270 And all day, I was like the treasure cat. I'm sure he was, too. I was 906 01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:32,230 from ear to ear that we managed to keep this quiet. 907 01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:36,170 David Bowie was back, and everyone claimed that he was finished. 908 01:17:36,690 --> 01:17:40,170 He was never going to make another record again. And then he did it. He 909 01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:41,170 it off. 910 01:17:45,190 --> 01:17:52,110 I started working with Tony 911 01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:54,510 when I was 23, so that was... 912 01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:56,950 2013. 913 01:17:58,050 --> 01:18:02,530 And I got home one night and he sends me this email and it says like, hey Aaron, 914 01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:06,850 I just wanted to give you a heads up about our schedule tomorrow. We're going 915 01:18:06,850 --> 01:18:08,310 be working with a client, Mr. 916 01:18:08,530 --> 01:18:12,670 X. I'll tell you what's going on when you come into the studio tomorrow. 917 01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:20,370 And I got to the studio that day and Tony said, so David Bowie's coming in 918 01:18:20,370 --> 01:18:23,330 today. And I was just like, okay. 919 01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:31,610 David walked in. You could smell him before you could see him. He always, 920 01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:33,370 smelled so good, his cologne. 921 01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,430 And just that, like, big grin. 922 01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:38,430 And he was like, hi, I'm David. 923 01:18:38,650 --> 01:18:39,870 And I was like, hi, I'm Erin. 924 01:18:40,510 --> 01:18:45,950 For the rest of those next several years, I was with Tony and David in 925 01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:47,750 little studio in New York. 926 01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:50,610 David was... 927 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,340 an artist in every sense of the term, and it was very much his music. But he 928 01:18:55,340 --> 01:18:59,600 also knew exactly who he wanted to work with and how he wanted to work with 929 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,120 them. I remember he wanted to, like, check out Donny McCaslin and his band. 930 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,360 I remember sitting in Tony's studio watching those YouTube videos. 931 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:19,460 As you can see in the video, every member of that band is a virtuoso. 932 01:19:20,210 --> 01:19:21,310 They don't make mistakes. 933 01:19:24,810 --> 01:19:27,210 I remember saying, like, what do you think of this band? 934 01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:30,050 They're pretty incredible, aren't they? I was like, yeah, because I think I want 935 01:19:30,050 --> 01:19:31,050 them to do the record. 936 01:19:37,730 --> 01:19:42,110 Before we started recording, David phoned me up. He goes, can I see you? 937 01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:44,490 come to my office? I'd like to have a chin wag. 938 01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:46,110 I said, sure, you know. 939 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,320 And the very next day, we had to start the Black Star album with the studio 940 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:58,000 musicians. So I go to the office, and I notice the person who works for him, 941 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,760 she opened the door for me to let me into the offices. 942 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,060 And she had been crying. 943 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:06,460 Her eyes were red. 944 01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:11,720 And so she leads me into this small room with a little table and a seat on 945 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:12,559 either side. 946 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,980 And she said, David, we'll be with you in a minute. 947 01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:20,840 He sits in front of me, and he's got a woolly cap on, right? And the first 948 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,340 I notice is that he's got no eyebrows anymore. 949 01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:26,900 And I went, I know what that is. That's chemotherapy. 950 01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:33,320 I cried my eyes out. He's my lifetime friend, you know, since the 60s. 951 01:20:36,340 --> 01:20:40,900 I started mumbling things like, don't worry, we'll get through this. We'll get 952 01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:44,240 the best doctors in the world. You're strong. You're going to get over this. 953 01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:49,410 I just started blabbering shit like that. 954 01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:55,850 And he comes on my side of the table and he starts hugging me. 955 01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:08,490 Given what he knew about his own health and all that, I think he wanted to make 956 01:21:08,490 --> 01:21:09,810 the best album of his life. 957 01:21:18,570 --> 01:21:20,690 We had set up in the studio the night before. 958 01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:26,890 We were all pretty nervous and pretty on edge to meet David Bowie. And we stood 959 01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:32,130 up when he walked in, like almost like soldiers at attention or something. 960 01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:39,250 And he was immediately like, guys, just sit down, relax, like it's all good. 961 01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:44,530 So they're all ready to go. He walks in and does the same thing. He goes, guys, 962 01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:45,730 he goes, before we start. 963 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:51,720 I have something to tell you. He pulls his cap off, and he's standing there, 964 01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:57,840 bald in front of them, and they're looking at each other like, who wants to 965 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,620 away? Who wants to crawl under their piano? 966 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,740 What the fuck do you say? 967 01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,180 It was certainly a total shock and surprise. 968 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:12,220 Very few people knew how he wanted it. David told us in the beginning, 969 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,180 I don't know what this was going to be. 970 01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:17,650 Let's just make some great music. 971 01:22:30,910 --> 01:22:37,270 Just remember that we start to play the intro, and then David comes in 972 01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:40,310 with the intensity. 973 01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:51,480 This song, it makes me very tearful. 974 01:22:59,780 --> 01:23:03,080 He's talking about his disease. 975 01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:19,390 It would be like the worst thing in the world to tell people he's ill. 976 01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:22,830 Elvis wouldn't have done it. 977 01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:25,130 The Beatles wouldn't have done it. 978 01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:28,550 And he's right up there with the rest of those iconic guys. 979 01:23:32,690 --> 01:23:38,230 We'd ask him how he was doing and everything, but he didn't want to focus 980 01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:40,610 that. He wanted to focus on the music. 981 01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:42,170 It was intense. 982 01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:43,910 Yeah, it was definitely intense. 983 01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:48,240 It was serious work. I don't know how else to put it, you know. What would you 984 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:52,360 do if you knew you only had X amount of time? I think it's one of those morbid 985 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:57,440 thoughts that we as humans have about our own mortality. I don't know if he 986 01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:03,400 how much time he had, but what I saw was that he showed up to the part of life I 987 01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:09,460 was witness to, which was making music with such excitement and joy and 988 01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:13,060 presence. I mean, if anything were to convince me that he was, like, 989 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,260 otherworldly, that would be it. 990 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,020 He's different from other human beings. 991 01:24:20,980 --> 01:24:26,320 I'm only speculating, but it probably encouraged him to, like, write as much 992 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,780 he could and record as much as he could because he knew the end was near. I 993 01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:32,060 didn't. I didn't know that. 994 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,900 I don't know many artists that recorded an album with the clear knowledge that 995 01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:44,900 they were going to die. 996 01:24:48,660 --> 01:24:52,500 When you watch this video, it infuses everything. 997 01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:57,300 It's a black 998 01:24:57,300 --> 01:25:02,200 star. 999 01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,940 It's this ominous, unavoidable event. 1000 01:25:08,590 --> 01:25:09,810 And there's the spaceman. 1001 01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:14,190 I'm on the floor, gone as far as he can possibly go. 1002 01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:20,490 Miles and miles away from home, having achieved something amazing. 1003 01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:33,890 If you're trying to imagine the very edge of possibility, a 1004 01:25:33,890 --> 01:25:36,890 black star is the manifestation of that. 1005 01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:43,180 It is such an immensely powerful gravitational force that it can distort 1006 01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,180 itself. 1007 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:53,080 You can see how important the recurring theme of space 1008 01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:59,800 was to him. But even black stars will eventually lose their energy 1009 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:04,620 and go to the eternity of nothingness that awaits everything. 1010 01:26:06,730 --> 01:26:12,570 I had listened to Black Star. It had come out, and I went to bed. I'm sort of 1011 01:26:12,570 --> 01:26:17,690 anti -superstition, and I'm probably an atheist that would like to be surprised. 1012 01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:26,190 And I woke up, and my wife asked me, you know, are you okay? 1013 01:26:26,410 --> 01:26:31,830 And I said, I just had the strangest dream. I had a dream that David had 1014 01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:33,010 away. 1015 01:26:43,850 --> 01:26:49,170 Good morning. Breaking overnight. Legend lost. Rock star David Bowie has died. 1016 01:26:57,690 --> 01:27:01,490 I can't believe I'm even saying this. It's not news that I want to be 1017 01:27:01,710 --> 01:27:02,770 but we can confirm. 1018 01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:06,830 David Bowie died peacefully today, surrounded by his family after a 1019 01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:12,290 18 -month battle with cancer. David Bowie was 69. He released his final 1020 01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:17,350 Black Star, just on Friday, which was also his birthday. 1021 01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:25,710 When I heard on the radio it was that he'd passed away, I 1022 01:27:25,710 --> 01:27:30,810 remember my wife coming down and saying, you look shell -shocked, and I said, 1023 01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:32,370 David Bowie's died. 1024 01:27:33,450 --> 01:27:40,430 And we sat down together and shed a few 1025 01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:44,480 tears. I've lost family members that didn't affect me like that, you know. 1026 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,540 It just gets me, that one. 1027 01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:51,820 I was really upset. 1028 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,560 Really upset. 1029 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,560 You know, it's that thing, you know, we're only here for a minute. 1030 01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:03,480 And then he was gone. 1031 01:28:16,810 --> 01:28:19,730 I think Lazarus showed a lot of grace. 1032 01:28:21,490 --> 01:28:28,170 He came to grips with death, and he was able to express it through his 1033 01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:29,170 music. 1034 01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:35,710 He wrote his own requiem. He does that. 1035 01:28:41,950 --> 01:28:45,490 Look up here, I'm in heaven. 1036 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,240 I've got scars that can't be seen. 1037 01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,300 I've got trauma that can't be stolen. 1038 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,420 Everybody knows me now. It's almost like he had a strength back in his voice 1039 01:29:09,420 --> 01:29:11,040 that had gone for a while. 1040 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,680 I think it was his best work, if I'm really honest. 1041 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,220 Look up here, man, I'm in danger. 1042 01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:39,720 I've got nothing left to lose. Watching the video and listening to the lyrics, 1043 01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:41,200 it's very poetic. 1044 01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:44,880 I'm so high, it makes my brain whirl. 1045 01:29:45,340 --> 01:29:48,220 He was a genuine spaceman, a genuine explorer. 1046 01:29:48,740 --> 01:29:53,820 I think it's about a departure to another realm. 1047 01:29:56,650 --> 01:29:58,150 I can't even play the blackthroat. 1048 01:29:58,350 --> 01:30:00,710 It's so unbearable. 1049 01:30:02,970 --> 01:30:05,850 It's such a sad album. Beautiful, beautiful music. 1050 01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:08,830 I get so moved and upset by that video. 1051 01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:13,070 I honestly... 1052 01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,480 didn't know he was that ill. Because his voice there sounds great. 1053 01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,740 It doesn't sound ill. 1054 01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:34,780 I find it amazing. 1055 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:41,640 And the video that goes with it, going into the cupboard, it all 1056 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,460 suddenly became apparent. 1057 01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:14,940 I would love to feel that what I did actually changed the fabric of music. 1058 01:31:16,780 --> 01:31:21,200 Always remember that the reason that you initially started working was that 1059 01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,660 there was something inside yourself that you felt that if you could manifest it 1060 01:31:25,660 --> 01:31:31,880 in some way, you would understand more about yourself and how you coexist with 1061 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:32,880 the rest of society. 92544

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