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- [Narrator] Tonight
on Unidentified.
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- Out of nowhere this object
drops out from the sky,
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zipped off in incredible speed.
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- [Narrator] It was the
sighting that stunned the world.
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- We were all clamoring
to get on the radio,
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"What the f--- is that?"
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- [Narrator] Unidentified
objects captured on video
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by US Navy pilots.
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- Somebody has mastered
aeronautical technologies
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that are far superior
to anything we possess.
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- [Pilot]Look at that
thing dude.
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- [Narrator] Now
a new development,
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possibly more troubling
than the objects themselves,
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is there a conspiracy
to hide the truth?
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- And he comes in,
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asks for the hard drives
that were on that plane.
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- Doesn't it seem odd to you
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that the Air Force
hasn't spoken up?
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- [Narrator] Does the trail lead
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to America's most secret base?
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- [Narrator] Are these
UFOs made in the USA
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or are they truly unidentified?
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- [Lue] If this is a
flight safety issue
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or a potential threat
to national security
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then we need to know about it.
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(whooshing)
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- [Narrator] Everything we
know about UFOs is changing.
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Thanks to a team led by former
Pentagon UFO investigator,
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Lue Elizando.
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- That is real,
whatever that is.
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- [Narrator] And former
top intelligence official,
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Chris Mellon.
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- This is a current continuing
phenomenon it's happening,
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it continues to happen.
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(whooshing)
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- [Narrator] They discovered
five unique characteristics
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that UFOs have in common
called the five observables.
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They also released
groundbreaking videos
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that forced the Navy
to admit its pilots
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were coming face to face
with unidentified objects.
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- [Reporter] The US Navy made
a shocking admission today.
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- [Reporter] Strange flying
objects caught on tape
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by their own fighter
pilots are in fact, UFOs.
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Now a new
wave of military witnesses
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is coming out of the shadows.
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- I've never seen
anything move like that.
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Shape, size, speed is
clearly unidentified.
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- [Narrator] The team is
United on a new mission,
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connect the dots to reveal
the truth about UFOs.
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- This thing had no capability
like anything on earth.
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- [Narrator] And warn the world
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about the dangers
they might represent.
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- Carl Sagan once famously said,
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"Extraordinary claims
require extraordinary proof."
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He was absolutely right,
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but now we have the proof.
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(whooshing)
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Lue Elizando and
the team have been haunted
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by what Navy pilots encountered
over the Pacific in 2004.
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And over the Atlantic in 2015.
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- [Chris] US aerospace
is being violated
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by vehicles of unknown origin
with advanced capabilities.
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- [Narrator] The objects
were captured on video
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that Tom DeLonge was
determined to show the world.
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- [Tom] I was like, there's
three videos coming.
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The first three videos of
UFOs to be declassified
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in US history.
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- [Narrator] The first
video was taken by pilots
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from the USS Nimitz
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who chased down the
Tic Tac shape object.
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- It's white, it has no
wings, it has no rotors.
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- Maybe 40 feet.
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Large enough to scare
the s--- out of me.
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- [Narrator] The
other two videos
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were believed to
be recorded in 2015
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over the Atlantic
by stunned pilots
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from the USS Theodore Roosevelt.
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Elizando and his
partners are still grappling
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with the implications of
what these Navy pilots saw.
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- [Lue] This is an
evolving story.
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I think we realize now that
the USS Nimitz incident
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may be actually far
more comprehensive
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than anyone of us
initially thought.
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There's been some whispers
now for the last six months
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that other individuals in the
Navy, on board the vessels
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and possibly other
aircraft actually saw
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the Tic Tac with their own eyes.
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I wanna get to the bottom of it.
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- [Narrator] One of those
individuals is now
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coming forward.
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Omar Lara was an enlisted sailor
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who worked on the Nimitz's
aviation fuel systems.
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- Jets would come in park,
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we'd fuel them up.
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They'll disembark.
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(whooshing)
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- [Narrator] In November 2004,
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the Nimitz led a
carrier strike group
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on a training exercise off
the Southern California coast
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that included an
attack submarine
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in the advanced
radar-equipped USS Princeton.
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Several days after the infamous
Tic Tac video was taken
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Lara says he was
on the Nimitz deck,
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responding to what turned
out to be a false alarm
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of a man overboard.
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- All the jets had left
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except for the personnel
who take care of maintenance
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and the work centers on
board the aircraft carrier,
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and a sailor had a
falling overboard.
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And at that time a man
overboard was called
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and everyone needs
to report in person.
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So we ended up on the
fantail starboard side,
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looking towards out
to the vest ocean's
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beautiful panoramic view.
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And out of nowhere,
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this object drops out from
the sky
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at incredible speed.
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It just plants itself
right above the ocean.
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The object itself was this
white luminescent object.
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This thing did not stop
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or slow down up until
maybe a hundred feet
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above the waterline.
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And it stopped on a dime.
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Then it zipped off to our right
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at incredible speed
with no Sonic boom.
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You had to literally
move your torso,
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a slight turn to your
right to follow it.
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The speed and the
maneuverability of this object
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is nothing I've ever seen
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in my 10 years in the
United States Navy.
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(upbeat suspenseful music)
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- Mr. Lara's testimony
is very important
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because Mr. Lara is reporting
the same type of maneuvering
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that was described
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You have, Mr. Lara,
substantiating,
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instantaneous acceleration.
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You also have
hypersonic velocities
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and this ability to
seemingly defy gravity,
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you don't have wings
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and you don't have any
obvious means of propulsion.
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- I do not believe that what
I saw was made on this planet.
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If it wasn't made by us
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and you can count us off as
the number one superpower.
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This thing just basically
made you feel smaller.
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It's a paradigm changer.
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- [Narrator] But perhaps
what's most striking
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about Lara's alleged sighting,
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is that it was unknown until
the videos were made public.
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(upbeat suspenseful music)
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16 years after the
Nimitz incident,
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the team investigates
evidence of a coverup.
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- Gentleman, great
to see all again.
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- [Narrator] The team
is following a trail
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that could lead to the US
militaries own black projects.
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- This last year and a half,
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two years has been
pretty monumental
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in what we've been able
to collectively achieve
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regarding the topic.
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You have an acknowledgement
by the Department of Defense
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that the videos were authentic.
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And you also have an
acknowledgement now
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from the Navy
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that these things
that are depicted
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in these videos are truly
unidentified aerial phenomenon.
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- And we have to figure out
what that is, all of us.
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- [Narrator] Jim
Semivan spent 25 years
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working as an Operations
Officer for the CIA.
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- It's a fundamental issue for
the intelligence community.
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It's a fundamental issue for
the FBI for heaven's sakes
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and for DIA, for CIA.
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- For them to have that level
of ignorance is astonishing.
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- We have irrefutable evidence
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of an intelligently controlled
vehicle defying science,
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something operating beyond
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what we even thought
was possible.
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- The Pentagon
officially said that
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there was nothing else involving
the USS Nimitz incident,
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nothing to see here,
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but there is indeed
more information
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involving the Nimitz.
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I think that's a big deal.
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- [Narrator] The Pentagon
says it has more evidence
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from the Nimitz encounter
video and other data,
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but won't release it because
of national security concerns.
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- You still have the
Department of Defense
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to some degree
dragging their feet.
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Just recently they acknowledged
the fact that there were
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more videos in their possession,
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and they also had some
classified briefings
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that they were not going to
release them to the public.
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- It might be something like,
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"Okay, we have another
picture of that same Tic Tac
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"at the same location, but
from a different system,
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"there was a classified system."
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- I think it's interesting
because it shows
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that there's still segment
within the US government
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that is for some reason,
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hesitant or resistant to
have the conversation.
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- [Narrator] The team
is especially interested
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in one branch of
the armed forces.
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- Does it didn't seem odd to you
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that the Air Force
hasn't spoken up?
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I'm quite puzzled.
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- Chris has voiced
that concern as well.
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Where the hell is the Air Force
in this entire conversation?
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I mean, we can only speculate
why they're being quiet.
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- [Narrator] Coming
up on Unidentified.
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For the first time
a Navy eye witness
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claims Air Force officers
dropped in on the Nimitz
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and took with them key evidence.
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- He asked for the hard
drives that were on that plane
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and he stops me.
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He's like, "Just
give him to me."
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- He brings this vision of
Men In Black, showing up.
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- [Narrator] And the trail
leads to a secretive location.
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- [Patrick] I mean,
somebody out there
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knows a lot more than we do.
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- [Narrator] Lue Elizando
has just her testimony
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from a new eye witness to the
2004 Nimitz UFO encounter.
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Now he's digging
deeper into allegations
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of a military coverup.
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- [Patrick] Howdy.
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- [Lue] Hey sir, how are you?
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- Good, how are you?
- Good.
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- [Lue] I'm Lue.
- Nice to meet you.
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- [Lue] Thank you
for allowing me
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to invade your house here.
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- [Patrick] Anytime.
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- [Lue] I'd love to know a
little bit about yourself.
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You were in the Navy?
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- Yes, sir, it was
just under 11 years,
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I was Navy Avionics Technician.
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Primarily on the E2 Hawkeye.
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- [Narrator] On
November 14th, 2004,
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F-18s from the
USS Nimitz took off
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on a routine training exercise.
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- It was a workup cycle
for our 2005 deployment.
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They were doing air
defense exercises that day.
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The planes go out
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and basically play laser
tag with each other,
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a good guy versus bad guy enough
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to get their training back out.
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- [Narrator] Patrick Hughes' job
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power up in launching E2 Hawkeye
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the exercises
airborne quarterback,
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which will direct
the jets maneuvers.
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- We control the missions.
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We control pretty much
everything that goes on
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once those planes
leave the carrier deck.
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(whooshing)
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Shortly
after the exercise began,
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radar technicians start
tracking a strange object
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prompting the now-famous
sequence of events,
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Commander Fravor, and his
wing man intercept the object,
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but then it flies off appearing
to travel hundreds of miles
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in the blink of an eye.
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While they E2 Hawkeye monitors,
the action from a far.
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Another FA team captures the
incredible Tic Tac video.
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(whooshing)
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After the Hawkeye lands,
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Hughes could tell
something wasn't right.
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- Normally when the crew
walked out of the airplane,
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whoever the mission
commander was will stop
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and let you know
how the mission was,
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but they didn't stop to
talk to anybody this time.
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They just bolted down below.
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And no, thanks to talking
to a crew like that
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the actual Tic Tac object
formed top of the Hawkeye
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and the five guys in that
crew all saw real close.
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Wasn't for very long,
but they all saw it.
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- I was not aware that
people in the Hawkeye
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actually had eyes
down on the Tic Tac.
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It begs a question
that at the time
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when I was at AATIP,
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why wasn't that little bit of
information shared with us?
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Maybe it was a trust issue.
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- [Narrator] The Hawkeye's
alleged Tic Tac sighting
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might also have been kept secret
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because of the data
captured by its sensors.
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- That plane, when
it left the deck
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was recording everything
they saw on the screens,
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all the information,
all the button touches,
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basically, everything they do.
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And there's been some
contention about that,
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but I know for a
fact it was recording
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'cause I hit the button
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and I turned it off
when it got back.
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- You specifically
remember turning on
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that piece of
equipment that day,
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and then again, upon
recovery, turning it off?
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- Correct.
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- That is interesting.
304
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- [Narrator] The
plane's recordings
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could contain key evidence of
the Tic Tac's capabilities.
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- It sees what
the Princeton saw.
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It saw what the Nimitz saw.
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It saw some other stuff saw.
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So it's recording a big picture
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of everything that's
going on that day.
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- Okay, interesting.
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- I do our post-flight
checks on the airplane.
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Make sure everything's
turned off,
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take all our classified
hard drives out.
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We keep them in our safe.
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We don't leave those
in the airplane.
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And normally that's
the end of it.
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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After I'd gotten
back downstairs,
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my commanding officer comes
to our workspace door.
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- [Narrator] But his commanding
officer wasn't alone.
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- With them are two guys in
the Air Force flight suits.
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I don't remember
their ranks but there's a
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very big difference
between a Navy flight suit
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and the insignia in an
Air Force flight suit.
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- So you were confident
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these were Air Force
representatives.
328
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- Yes, sir.
329
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- [Narrator] It seemed
unusual to Hughes,
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to encounter Air Force personnel
331
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who didn't identify themselves.
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What happened next
was even stranger.
333
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- [Patrick] He comes in,
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asks for the hard drives
that were on that plane.
335
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So we go get them out
336
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and start logging them
out in our little log book
337
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and he stops me.
338
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Just he's like,
"Give them to me."
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No--
- No hand receipt?
340
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- [Patrick] Nope, nothing.
341
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- How much time transpired
342
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from the time you retrieve
those hard drives of the Hawkeye
343
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till the time that the
CEO's knocking on your door
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with two Air Force people?
345
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- All in all, I'd say
probably about a half-hour.
346
00:14:37,266 --> 00:14:38,867
- [Narrator] The Nimitz
wasn't the only ship that day
347
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from which data was taken.
348
00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:43,133
Chris Mellon previously
heard a similar account
349
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from a radar technician on
the nearby USS Princeton,
350
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which had been tracking
strange objects for days
351
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before the encounter.
352
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- A helicopter arrived,
people got off the helicopter,
353
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they came in and they requested
all the data recording.
354
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And right after that,
355
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I was requested to hand over
the data recording tapes
356
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and anything that wasn't
recorded on during the event,
357
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I was to erase.
358
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,367
- How unusual was this
request to destroy it,
359
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erase this data?
360
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- It was completely
unprecedented.
361
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- [Narrator] While both accounts
suggest a possible coverup,
362
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Hughes story is a
firsthand account
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of possible Air
Force involvement.
364
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,600
But why would the Air Force
confiscate Navy flight data
365
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of a UFO?
366
00:15:29,233 --> 00:15:31,767
- It brings this vision of
the "men In black" showing up.
367
00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:34,100
- There was obviously
data and information
368
00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:38,767
that was recorded on those E2
Hawkeyes that somebody wanted.
369
00:15:40,967 --> 00:15:42,333
- [Narrator] Tim
McMillan is a journalist
370
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who spent months investigating
the Nimitz incident.
371
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- We can assume that it was
taken somewhere to be analyzed.
372
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That's the big key,
373
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because there's a significant
amount of data there
374
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that should give us a lot
more definitive conclusions
375
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about what this is.
376
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Now, if you consider that
377
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with the aspect
that 15 years later,
378
00:16:01,233 --> 00:16:03,767
they say, "It's unidentified,"
379
00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:06,233
that makes it even
more intriguing.
380
00:16:06,367 --> 00:16:08,066
- [Narrator] Did the Air
Force remove the data
381
00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,767
because they wanted to study
the unidentified object
382
00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:12,400
or were they
collecting information
383
00:16:12,533 --> 00:16:14,433
on their own
top-secret creation?
384
00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,433
- It's equally possible
that the Navy has no clue
385
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what it is.
386
00:16:17,467 --> 00:16:18,567
And it's an Air Force project
387
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that they didn't
tell the Navy about.
388
00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:22,433
The left-hand does
not always know
389
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what the right hand is doing.
390
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,266
- [Narrator] Hughes also
believes there's a good reason
391
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why they would test a
top-secret craft on the Navy.
392
00:16:29,066 --> 00:16:31,333
- I have this new super
technology I wanna test it out.
393
00:16:31,467 --> 00:16:33,934
I'm gonna throw it
at the best we have.
394
00:16:34,066 --> 00:16:37,934
And the Nimitz strike group was
pretty much the best we had.
395
00:16:38,066 --> 00:16:40,600
I mean, somebody out there
knows a lot more than we do.
396
00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:44,166
They may have very, very good
reason for not sharing it.
397
00:16:45,467 --> 00:16:46,600
(whooshing)
398
00:16:46,734 --> 00:16:49,000
- [Narrator] Coming
up on Unidentified,
399
00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:51,567
pulling the curtain back
on a top-secret project.
400
00:17:04,033 --> 00:17:05,500
- So I just kind monitor
that, I watching them.
401
00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:06,700
And I was wondering,
402
00:17:06,834 --> 00:17:08,300
"How come no one's seen
these darn things?"
403
00:17:08,433 --> 00:17:10,734
(whooshing)
404
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,166
- When I was in the Pentagon,
405
00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,967
we only had a small shot in time
406
00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:24,333
of what we referred to
as the Nimitz incident.
407
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,066
But now more and more
people are feeling enjoined
408
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,834
to come forward and say, "It
wasn't just the four pilots
409
00:17:31,967 --> 00:17:34,133
"or a blip on a screen.
410
00:17:34,266 --> 00:17:35,500
"And I saw something strange."
411
00:17:35,633 --> 00:17:37,834
(whooshing)
412
00:17:37,967 --> 00:17:39,233
- [Narrator] Lue
Elizando has just heard
413
00:17:39,367 --> 00:17:41,166
from a former US Navy crewman
414
00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:44,300
who says two mysterious Air
Force officers showed up
415
00:17:44,433 --> 00:17:48,000
on the USS Nimitz after its
famous Tic Tac UFO encounter
416
00:17:48,133 --> 00:17:51,333
and confiscated flight data
that could prove its existence.
417
00:17:51,467 --> 00:17:52,867
The explosive theory,
418
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,133
Air Force officers wanted to
see how the Tic Tac performed
419
00:17:56,266 --> 00:17:57,500
because the Tic Tac
420
00:17:57,633 --> 00:18:00,567
was actually a top-secret
Air Force craft.
421
00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:03,367
Following that lead
Elizando speaks with man
422
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,300
who worked at the most secretive
Air Force facility of all.
423
00:18:06,433 --> 00:18:07,734
- Hello, sir, Mr. Barnes.
424
00:18:07,867 --> 00:18:10,233
- Yes, how're you doing today?
425
00:18:10,367 --> 00:18:13,133
- [Narrator] T.D. Barnes
is a former CIA engineer
426
00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:14,633
who spent most of
his career working
427
00:18:14,767 --> 00:18:18,133
on classified technology
often at area 51.
428
00:18:18,266 --> 00:18:19,633
60 years later,
429
00:18:19,767 --> 00:18:22,033
Barnes is willing to speak
for the first time on camera,
430
00:18:22,166 --> 00:18:24,867
about the electronic
warfare systems he created
431
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,567
and their possible connection
to the Nimitz event.
432
00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:30,033
- I think Nimitz is interesting
433
00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:33,133
because so many people
saw the same thing
434
00:18:33,266 --> 00:18:35,533
that whether or not
it was a real event,
435
00:18:35,667 --> 00:18:37,633
I think that's beyond question.
436
00:18:37,767 --> 00:18:39,567
The question is what was it?
437
00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:43,200
And if it was some sort of
electronic warfare capability,
438
00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:46,033
fine, but then that
information didn't get
439
00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:47,000
to the right people.
440
00:18:56,934 --> 00:18:58,467
You know that's, that's
something...
441
00:19:06,433 --> 00:19:08,533
(whooshing)
442
00:19:08,667 --> 00:19:10,367
- [Narrator] One of the
programs Barnes worked on
443
00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:12,100
was called project Palladium.
444
00:19:12,233 --> 00:19:14,800
The cold war technology
used electronic signals
445
00:19:14,934 --> 00:19:17,300
to trick the Soviets into
seeing whole squadrons
446
00:19:17,433 --> 00:19:18,700
that weren't there.
447
00:19:33,333 --> 00:19:36,033
- [Narrator] To Elizando,
this sounds eerily familiar.
448
00:19:36,166 --> 00:19:39,300
Radar operator, Kevin Day
previously told Elizando
449
00:19:39,433 --> 00:19:41,700
he tracked a group
of strange aircraft
450
00:19:41,834 --> 00:19:43,700
in the days leading up
to the Nimitz event.
451
00:19:43,834 --> 00:19:47,800
- I started noticing these
anomalous contacts on our radar.
452
00:19:47,934 --> 00:19:50,233
There was like 10 or 12 objects
453
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,700
and it was kind of
watching them on display.
454
00:19:52,834 --> 00:19:55,266
It was like watching
the snowfall in the sky.
455
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,600
- [Narrator] The objects
were seen on Day's radar,
456
00:19:57,734 --> 00:19:59,266
but seemingly nowhere else.
457
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,934
- So I just kind of monitor
that, watching them.
458
00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:02,367
And I was wondering,
459
00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:03,967
"How come no one's seeing
these darn things?"
460
00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:05,700
- [Narrator] Could,
what Day saw be phantoms
461
00:20:05,834 --> 00:20:08,033
caused by radar
spoofing technology
462
00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:10,433
and what accounts for
the Tic Tac object
463
00:20:10,567 --> 00:20:12,467
seen by Nimitz pilots up close?
464
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,567
(whooshing)
465
00:20:19,934 --> 00:20:21,700
- [Narrator] Palladium
used metallic balloons
466
00:20:21,834 --> 00:20:23,266
to reflect radar signals.
467
00:20:32,834 --> 00:20:35,800
- I'm kind of curious
from your perspective,
468
00:20:35,934 --> 00:20:37,133
going back to the Tic Tac
469
00:20:37,266 --> 00:20:40,133
and these balloons that
were part of Palladium,
470
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if, is it possible
that the balloons,
471
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,433
not only were you testing
different size balloons,
472
00:20:44,567 --> 00:20:46,867
but maybe even different
shapes of balloons?
473
00:20:49,266 --> 00:20:50,033
- That's fascinating.
474
00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:52,367
So from your perspective,
475
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the incident that
occurred here in 2004
476
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may be some sort
of US technology.
477
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:05,433
- [Narrator] This raises
a troubling question,
478
00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:08,100
would the Air Force test
top-secret technology
479
00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:10,600
on Navy pilots without
their knowledge?
480
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,700
- Right.
481
00:21:29,233 --> 00:21:30,667
- [Narrator] One theory, is
what the Nimitz pilots saw
482
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,867
was related to a
21st-century version
483
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,266
of what T.D. Barnes
developed for the Air Force.
484
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,433
Tim McMillan spent
months investigating
485
00:21:37,567 --> 00:21:40,600
if any known technologies
might explain the Tic Tac.
486
00:21:40,734 --> 00:21:44,333
- Early 2004-ish,
funding has jumped up.
487
00:21:44,467 --> 00:21:46,533
Technologies are being boosted.
488
00:21:46,667 --> 00:21:50,266
A lot of the older subs
were being retrofitted
489
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,600
whether, some of the missile
tubes are being altered
490
00:21:53,734 --> 00:21:55,367
for it to launch drones.
491
00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:56,767
- [Narrator] A
submarine launch drone
492
00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:58,700
could potentially
explain another detail
493
00:21:58,834 --> 00:22:00,266
from the Nimitz sighting.
494
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,734
- One of the fascinating
things with the 2004 incident
495
00:22:02,867 --> 00:22:05,066
was this frothy whitewash.
496
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,333
- [Narrator] The pilots who
first encountered the Tic Tac
497
00:22:07,467 --> 00:22:09,834
reported seeing it hovering
over disturbance in the ocean.
498
00:22:09,967 --> 00:22:10,767
(indistinct chatter)
499
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:12,233
- We all very quickly realized
500
00:22:12,367 --> 00:22:14,233
that there was
something in the water,
501
00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:16,333
churning like boiling.
502
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:20,900
One of my theories
was that a submarine
503
00:22:21,033 --> 00:22:28,000
that surfaced launched
something and was re-submerging.
504
00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:30,266
- [Narrator] McMillan believes
he found enticing clues
505
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,333
to the Tic Tacs
possible origins,
506
00:22:32,467 --> 00:22:33,767
but nothing that can explain
507
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,934
its incredible flight
characteristics.
508
00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:38,600
And what about the objects
caught on tape by pilots
509
00:22:38,734 --> 00:22:41,000
from a USS Roosevelt
10 years later?
510
00:22:43,066 --> 00:22:44,600
- [Narrator] McMillan
thinks those sightings
511
00:22:44,734 --> 00:22:48,767
could be related to a more
recent program known as Nemesis.
512
00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:52,934
- Nemesis is a fascinating
technology we know exist.
513
00:22:53,066 --> 00:22:55,166
Very similar to Palladium.
514
00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,834
They're injecting
multiple false targets
515
00:22:57,967 --> 00:23:02,333
and the idea is that
you've got one plane,
516
00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:04,333
we wanna make it look like 50
517
00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:06,400
in hopes that they're not
gonna pick out the right one.
518
00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:08,066
- [Narrator] Nemesis
was originally developed
519
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,567
by the Navy and use
the swarms of drones
520
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:12,800
that emit signals
to fool enemy radar.
521
00:23:12,934 --> 00:23:14,400
- [Pilot] Look at that
thing dude!
522
00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:19,834
- There's some very
close timeframes
523
00:23:19,967 --> 00:23:22,734
in terms of when the Nemesis
system was being tested.
524
00:23:22,867 --> 00:23:26,500
And when these pilots during
the Roosevelt encounter
525
00:23:26,633 --> 00:23:27,967
said that they
observed the objects.
526
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:29,400
- [Narrator] Could
this technology
527
00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:32,400
or a similar system account
for what F-18 pilots
528
00:23:32,533 --> 00:23:34,734
from the USS Roosevelt
say they witnessed
529
00:23:34,867 --> 00:23:37,066
on their target
tracking screens?
530
00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:41,734
- [Second Pilot] My gosh.
531
00:23:41,867 --> 00:23:43,734
- [Narrator] But what
about the objects
532
00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:46,800
other pilots reported
seeing up close?
533
00:23:46,934 --> 00:23:49,300
- It was basically a
cube inside of sphere
534
00:23:49,433 --> 00:23:52,667
where the points of the
cube were touching outside
535
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,834
of the sphere.
536
00:23:53,967 --> 00:23:54,834
- [Narrator] McMillan
believes the cubes
537
00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:56,066
might have a simple explanation.
538
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,633
- In the few visual
observations,
539
00:23:58,767 --> 00:23:59,900
at least that at I'm aware of,
540
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:02,567
with the cubes inside
of spheres type thing
541
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:06,633
that sounds consistent
with a radar reflectors.
542
00:24:06,767 --> 00:24:08,300
- [Narrator] But Chris
Mellon believes few,
543
00:24:08,433 --> 00:24:10,533
if any of these sightings
can be explained
544
00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:12,100
by current US technology.
545
00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:15,300
- I've been out of the Defense
Department for quite a while,
546
00:24:15,433 --> 00:24:19,033
electronic warfare was old
then, it's even older now.
547
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,734
It's a never-ending
game of cat and mouse.
548
00:24:22,867 --> 00:24:25,133
However, it's not an explanation
549
00:24:25,266 --> 00:24:28,166
for what happened in
the Nimitz incident
550
00:24:29,367 --> 00:24:32,633
or what was happening in
2015 off the East coast.
551
00:24:32,767 --> 00:24:35,066
That's what we need
to remind people.
552
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,066
It has very little to do
with the UAP phenomenon.
553
00:24:40,533 --> 00:24:42,066
- [Narrator] And for Mellon,
the Navy's public statement
554
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,233
that pilots are encountering
unidentified aerial phenomenon
555
00:24:45,367 --> 00:24:47,233
is proof positive that
what they're seeing
556
00:24:47,367 --> 00:24:51,233
is not US technology from
the Air Force or anyone else.
557
00:24:51,367 --> 00:24:53,700
- [Chris] It's really a
stretch for people
558
00:24:53,834 --> 00:24:55,400
to try to suggest
these incidents
559
00:24:55,533 --> 00:24:58,734
it could be explained
by some secret program.
560
00:24:58,867 --> 00:25:01,467
It was being used
against our own people
561
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,700
behind the backs of Congress
562
00:25:03,834 --> 00:25:05,200
who are briefed for
all these programs,
563
00:25:05,333 --> 00:25:07,967
the military wouldn't be
going up to Capitol Hill
564
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:10,367
saying publicly,
these are not ours
565
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:13,133
if in fact, it was
electronic warfare program
566
00:25:13,266 --> 00:25:14,567
that wouldn't be happening.
567
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:17,633
- [Narrator] But even if Navy
personnel were guinea pigs
568
00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:19,133
in the top-secret test,
569
00:25:19,266 --> 00:25:21,033
what can explain
this next sight?
570
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Coming up on Unidentified.
571
00:25:30,934 --> 00:25:31,967
- [Narrator] A
confidential source
572
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,200
describes a terrifying
UFO encounter.
573
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:36,133
He says the military
tried to bury.
574
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:42,800
(dramatic music)
575
00:25:45,667 --> 00:25:47,633
(ocean breeze blows)
576
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:51,233
- [Narrator] Lue Elizando
has uncovered information
577
00:25:51,367 --> 00:25:54,467
that the UFO seen by the
Nimitz pilots could be related
578
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,767
to U.S. Air Force tests, but
not everyone believes it.
579
00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:01,233
He's been contacted
by a new witness
580
00:26:01,367 --> 00:26:03,900
about an incident involving
a military helicopter.
581
00:26:21,867 --> 00:26:23,233
- [Narrator] This Defense
Department Investigator
582
00:26:23,367 --> 00:26:25,233
asked to have his
identity protected.
583
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,000
He says he personally
investigated the UFO encounter.
584
00:26:43,934 --> 00:26:45,033
- [Narrator] He won't reveal
585
00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:46,567
the exact location
of the incident.
586
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:09,867
(helicopter chuffing)
587
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,967
- [Narrator] The
pilots we're testing
588
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:12,800
brand new attack helicopters
589
00:27:12,934 --> 00:27:15,133
when one witnessed
something unexplained.
590
00:28:10,133 --> 00:28:14,200
- [Lue] He associated those
lights as being somehow
591
00:28:14,333 --> 00:28:16,934
correlated to the
event that occurred
592
00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:19,667
and then only when
those things were gone,
593
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:27,500
did the helicopter behave
normally, is that correct?
594
00:28:27,633 --> 00:28:29,500
- [Narrator] Elizando says
it's also not the first time
595
00:28:29,633 --> 00:28:31,266
he's heard of unidentified
objects
596
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,767
exhibiting this behavior.
597
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:36,667
- [Lue] From personal experience
I'm aware of the relevance
598
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,533
that some of these UAP have
599
00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:43,200
regarding our national
security assets and equities.
600
00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:44,867
Unfortunately, I'm
not allowed to go
601
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,600
into a whole lot
of detail on that
602
00:28:46,734 --> 00:28:50,600
but what I can say
is that this is nothing new
603
00:28:50,734 --> 00:28:54,166
and I'm not surprised at
all to hear that there was
604
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,533
you know, three points of
light that seemed to be flying
605
00:28:57,667 --> 00:29:00,333
in a consistent
formation and pattern.
606
00:29:00,467 --> 00:29:03,600
(helicopter chuffing)
607
00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:06,333
- [Narrator] The
investigator says
608
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:08,433
he reported it to his superiors
609
00:29:08,567 --> 00:29:11,166
and the committee was
formed to dig further.
610
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,266
He says they uncovered
at least seven other
611
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,333
similar incidents involving
helicopters and orbs,
612
00:29:16,467 --> 00:29:18,266
but he was shocked
at their conclusion.
613
00:29:30,533 --> 00:29:32,333
- After this event
occurred you learn that
614
00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:36,934
there was actually other
reports of similar type activity
615
00:29:37,066 --> 00:29:40,433
occurring perhaps seven
or eight other times
616
00:29:40,567 --> 00:29:44,100
to the point where they actually
established a committee,
617
00:29:44,233 --> 00:29:47,000
an internal committee to
try to figure this out
618
00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:49,834
and only when they
didn't have any answers
619
00:29:49,967 --> 00:29:52,000
did they wind up scratching
their head, closing the books
620
00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:54,700
and say, well, nothing
to see here folks.
621
00:30:07,734 --> 00:30:09,667
- [Narrator] Why wouldn't
the military keep probing?
622
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,934
Were they hiding another
test of a top secret
623
00:30:12,066 --> 00:30:13,433
electronic countermeasure?
624
00:30:13,567 --> 00:30:15,667
Or is it evidence of
an unknown technology
625
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,767
the government doesn't
want to acknowledge
626
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:19,934
because it doesn't
understand it.
627
00:30:20,066 --> 00:30:23,166
- [Lue] You now have pilots
flying helicopters
628
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:25,100
and now coming into
contact with these,
629
00:30:25,233 --> 00:30:27,600
we'll call them
orbs, if you will
630
00:30:27,734 --> 00:30:30,166
and all of a sudden now
there's a correlation
631
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,934
between these orbs
and equipment failure.
632
00:30:34,066 --> 00:30:35,433
You could have an issue
633
00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,433
where you potentially could
collide with one of the things
634
00:30:38,567 --> 00:30:41,600
- There is something occurring,
there are transgressions
635
00:30:41,734 --> 00:30:44,233
of restricted military airspace
636
00:30:44,367 --> 00:30:46,433
and of U.S. borders
that are going on
637
00:30:46,567 --> 00:30:49,233
that our own military has
acknowledged publicly.
638
00:30:49,367 --> 00:30:52,266
They wouldn't be saying that
if they own the very programs
639
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,100
that were causing
those sightings.
640
00:30:54,233 --> 00:30:56,734
- [Narrator] Coming up,
Elizando searches for answers
641
00:30:56,867 --> 00:30:59,233
from one of the
original UFO insiders.
642
00:30:59,367 --> 00:31:02,667
- We're moving away from
the allegory of tinfoil hats
643
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,000
and Elvis on the
mothership to no kidding
644
00:31:06,133 --> 00:31:07,567
there's something there.
645
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:10,734
- Well, there's absolutely no
doubt on the physical reality
646
00:31:10,867 --> 00:31:11,900
of some UFOs.
647
00:31:12,033 --> 00:31:15,333
(electronic logo music)
648
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,800
sic)
649
00:31:20,734 --> 00:31:22,000
- [Narrator] In
the wake of reports
650
00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:24,100
that the Pentagon may have
covered up UFO sightings
651
00:31:24,233 --> 00:31:27,200
by the U.S. Navy and didn't
pursue reports of orbs
652
00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:29,367
seen from a U.S.
army helicopter,
653
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,433
Lue Elizando gets guidance
from a man he trusts,
654
00:31:32,567 --> 00:31:33,934
a man who has been
seeking the truth
655
00:31:34,066 --> 00:31:37,600
about what the government
knows about UFOs for years.
656
00:31:37,734 --> 00:31:39,433
- Colonel John Alexander
was a godfather
657
00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:42,266
of everything spooky and
weird at the Pentagon.
658
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,533
- Lue.
659
00:31:43,667 --> 00:31:44,600
- Great to see you my
friend, how are you?
660
00:31:44,734 --> 00:31:45,900
- Good, good.
661
00:31:46,033 --> 00:31:47,700
- [Lue] John Alexander ran
a lot of the programs
662
00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:50,700
at the U.S. government
pretended like we didn't have.
663
00:31:51,734 --> 00:31:52,867
John, thank you very much
664
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,667
for allowing me to
come into your home,
665
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,934
this is for me a great
honor and privilege.
666
00:31:57,066 --> 00:31:58,867
First and foremost,
you're a legend,
667
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,400
I knew about you, whether
you knew it or not
668
00:32:01,533 --> 00:32:02,734
- Mmm-hmm.
669
00:32:02,867 --> 00:32:05,867
a long time ago, I knew
a little bit about your,
670
00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:09,166
how shall we say, adventures.
671
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:10,867
- Adventures yes.
672
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,100
- [Narrator] In the
1980s, Alexander studied
673
00:32:13,233 --> 00:32:15,166
the paranormal for
the U.S. military.
674
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:16,734
- What was the name of
your program at the time?
675
00:32:16,867 --> 00:32:18,266
Did you have a name for it?
676
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,767
- We called it "Intentionally
Advanced Theoretical Physics"
677
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,233
and we did that because
UFOer at that time
678
00:32:25,367 --> 00:32:27,600
was just becoming a hot issue
679
00:32:27,734 --> 00:32:31,333
and we figured that,
people may ask for UFO data
680
00:32:31,467 --> 00:32:34,000
but they're not
likely to ask for data
681
00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:36,667
on Advanced Theoretical Physics.
682
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,233
- So John, is there any
advice you can give me
683
00:32:41,367 --> 00:32:44,266
as to where I
should go from here?
684
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,767
What I should do?
685
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,333
And potentially what I
need to watch out for?
686
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,266
- Well, I think you've probably
687
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,066
stepped on many of
the mines already.
688
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,734
In fact, the reason that
you're in the civilian sector
689
00:32:56,867 --> 00:32:57,667
is part of that.
690
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,567
- (laughing) Very true.
691
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,967
- The biggest thing that has
to happen and is happening
692
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:07,834
and I think your T-piece of
this is getting information
693
00:33:07,967 --> 00:33:11,467
and making it acceptable
in the civilian sector,
694
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,834
that's what they're
really afraid of.
695
00:33:13,967 --> 00:33:17,000
I do suspect you're
gonna get blow back
696
00:33:17,133 --> 00:33:21,066
there are gonna be people who
come in and say, you know,
697
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,734
these are just aerial
phenomena that are explainable,
698
00:33:24,867 --> 00:33:27,000
but when you get done
with all of the cases,
699
00:33:27,133 --> 00:33:32,000
you end up with a core set
that simply cannot be explained
700
00:33:32,133 --> 00:33:34,333
by any traditional means.
701
00:33:34,467 --> 00:33:38,000
- We're moving away from
the allegory of tinfoil hats
702
00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:42,000
and you know, Elvis on the
mothership to no kidding,
703
00:33:42,133 --> 00:33:44,834
there's something there,
these things are real.
704
00:33:44,967 --> 00:33:48,500
(jet engine roars)
705
00:33:48,633 --> 00:33:49,967
- [Narrator] Elizando
questions why
706
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,233
the military still won't
release everything it knows.
707
00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:56,133
- We don't like things
we can't explain
708
00:33:56,266 --> 00:33:58,166
and that's one of the
reasons for classifying
709
00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:59,500
some of the stuff
710
00:33:59,633 --> 00:34:01,567
you just don't wanna be
potentially embarrassed.
711
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,567
We have, as you know,
hundreds of thousands
712
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,400
of these kinds of incidents
that have been recorded,
713
00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:12,800
it's much easier to
just discard the data
714
00:34:12,934 --> 00:34:14,900
and unfortunately,
terrible thing
715
00:34:15,033 --> 00:34:17,567
that we have done
that for decades.
716
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:19,066
- [Narrator] Some experts claim
717
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,133
that the military isn't covering
up information about UFOs,
718
00:34:22,266 --> 00:34:24,400
but is actually
feeding the UFO myth
719
00:34:24,533 --> 00:34:26,166
to hide secret programs.
720
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,400
- If you've got an aerial
platform that is highly advanced
721
00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:33,867
and the public who
happens to get, you know,
722
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,734
get a glimpse of the
thing from time to time,
723
00:34:35,867 --> 00:34:37,633
if they're convinced
that it's from Venus
724
00:34:37,767 --> 00:34:39,467
and there's no way it
could be our military
725
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,400
well, hey, you know,
that's awesome, hell yes.
726
00:34:42,533 --> 00:34:44,700
- [Narrator] Walter Boseley was
an agent with the Air Forces
727
00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:47,533
Secretive Office of
Special Investigations.
728
00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:49,734
- [Walter] If I'm the agent
or running the protection
729
00:34:49,867 --> 00:34:51,233
for that particular program
730
00:34:51,367 --> 00:34:53,734
and that's helping me
cover something for years,
731
00:34:53,867 --> 00:34:55,834
I might even feed the fire.
732
00:34:59,934 --> 00:35:01,133
- [Narrator] Bill
Scott is a former
733
00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,467
Air Force Flight Test
Engineer and editor
734
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,533
at Aviation Week magazine.
735
00:35:05,667 --> 00:35:09,367
He claims a high ranking officer
at area 51 admitted to him
736
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:11,200
how the military used the media
737
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:13,800
to spread disinformation
about UFOs.
738
00:35:13,934 --> 00:35:16,767
- Some of the people
that I would approach
739
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:18,300
would give me clues,
740
00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:20,800
one of the more intriguing
responses that I got was,
741
00:35:20,934 --> 00:35:23,533
"well, if you really wanna
know what's going on,
742
00:35:23,667 --> 00:35:25,967
read the rags at the
supermarket checkout".
743
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,867
Now like the Enquirer and The
Globe and all these things.
744
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,200
I said, you gotta be kidding me,
745
00:35:30,333 --> 00:35:32,367
he said "when you see a
picture of Bill Clinton
746
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:35,867
standing there in front of
one of these black airplanes
747
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,300
with his arm around
the alien being"
748
00:35:40,433 --> 00:35:42,533
he said, "forget what's in front
749
00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:44,934
and look what's behind",
I said, come on.
750
00:35:45,066 --> 00:35:46,800
So what you're really telling me
751
00:35:46,934 --> 00:35:51,467
is that in order to hide
real highly classified stuff
752
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,867
is that you basically
paint it with the UFO brush
753
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,200
and I said why
would you do that?
754
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:00,433
And he said "to
keep people like you
755
00:36:00,567 --> 00:36:02,533
from looking any farther".
756
00:36:02,667 --> 00:36:04,667
I said, come on,
does it really work?
757
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,033
he said "it worked for 50
years why would we change now?"
758
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,033
- [Narrator] For decades,
the National Enquirer
759
00:36:10,166 --> 00:36:13,600
and Weekly World News were
published by Generoso Pope Jr.
760
00:36:13,734 --> 00:36:15,500
Who pushed the papers
sensational stories
761
00:36:15,633 --> 00:36:17,433
about UFOs and aliens.
762
00:36:17,567 --> 00:36:19,667
Pope's job just
before taking over,
763
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,700
Psychological Warfare
Officer for the CIA.
764
00:36:26,567 --> 00:36:27,700
Author, Mark Pilkington
765
00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:29,367
believes the Nimitz
and Roosevelt cases
766
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,767
are part of this long history
of media manipulation.
767
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,033
- It's about perception
management,
768
00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:38,934
the technologies exist,
769
00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:41,934
that may not explain
precisely what was seen
770
00:36:42,066 --> 00:36:45,700
but our analogist to the
things that are seen.
771
00:36:45,834 --> 00:36:48,934
Nemesis combines,
swarms of drones
772
00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:52,834
with complex multi-system
countermeasures
773
00:36:52,967 --> 00:36:56,533
that are simultaneously
operating against aircraft,
774
00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:59,533
satellite systems,
ship based systems.
775
00:36:59,667 --> 00:37:03,400
Certainly these would have
been something that was outside
776
00:37:03,533 --> 00:37:07,233
the sphere of familiarity
for the pilots involved
777
00:37:07,367 --> 00:37:11,200
and could certainly have
led to you know, confusion,
778
00:37:12,633 --> 00:37:14,233
- [Narrator] Elizando doubts
evidence of the Tic Tac
779
00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:16,333
is part of a
disinformation campaign
780
00:37:16,467 --> 00:37:18,834
meant to cover up a
classified program.
781
00:37:18,967 --> 00:37:23,767
- Could the Nimitz incident
and other UAP related incidents
782
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:29,033
possibly involve some sort of
super secret U.S. technology?
783
00:37:29,367 --> 00:37:30,433
Is it possible?
784
00:37:30,567 --> 00:37:32,567
It's absolutely
possible, is a plausible?
785
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,934
No, it's not plausible and
the reason why I say that
786
00:37:36,066 --> 00:37:39,600
is because at the time I had
one of the highest levels
787
00:37:39,734 --> 00:37:41,433
of security clearance
in the U.S. government
788
00:37:41,567 --> 00:37:44,000
and I was briefing
people who were read onto
789
00:37:44,133 --> 00:37:45,400
just about anything
and everything
790
00:37:45,533 --> 00:37:47,066
in the U.S. government.
791
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,233
- [Chris] There's no reason to
believe that the Air Force
792
00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:55,734
is today seeking to promote
confusion between UAPs
793
00:37:55,867 --> 00:37:59,266
and classified Air
Force programs,
794
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,000
or using the UAP
phenomenon as a cover
795
00:38:02,133 --> 00:38:03,734
for Air Force programs.
796
00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:05,834
- [Narrator] Coming
up on unidentified.
797
00:38:06,934 --> 00:38:09,800
- [ Chris] There is a profound
mystery here,
798
00:38:09,934 --> 00:38:11,300
are we alone in the universe?
799
00:38:11,433 --> 00:38:14,834
And we may be the
first generation
800
00:38:14,967 --> 00:38:17,834
in the history of our species
that can answer this question.
801
00:38:17,967 --> 00:38:24,333
(dramatic music)
802
00:38:27,867 --> 00:38:29,500
- [Narrator] Lue Elizando
has been investigating
803
00:38:29,633 --> 00:38:30,900
what the military
might be hiding
804
00:38:31,033 --> 00:38:33,567
about recent UFO encounters.
805
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:36,500
Could the objects be Air
Force top secret craft
806
00:38:36,633 --> 00:38:39,934
tested unwittingly on other
branches of the military
807
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,233
or is the truth more fantastic?
808
00:38:43,367 --> 00:38:45,000
- This is something that
we need to figure out
809
00:38:45,133 --> 00:38:46,667
if this is a flight safety issue
810
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,500
or a potential that I will
reiterate potential threat
811
00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:53,734
to national security, then
we need to know about it.
812
00:38:56,767 --> 00:38:58,734
- [Narrator] The team
reconvenes in hopes of putting
813
00:38:58,867 --> 00:39:00,400
together the pieces
of the puzzle.
814
00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:02,867
- So, gents I appreciate you
guys taking a few moments
815
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,867
to sit with me this afternoon.
816
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,400
- [Narrator] They
begin by discussing
817
00:39:06,533 --> 00:39:08,734
whether these unidentified
objects could be explained
818
00:39:08,867 --> 00:39:10,734
by radar spoofing technology.
819
00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:12,800
- There's always been
efforts since time began
820
00:39:12,934 --> 00:39:15,700
and man has been at war
to deceive the enemy
821
00:39:15,834 --> 00:39:17,700
and you know, there
are all sorts of ways
822
00:39:17,834 --> 00:39:19,867
to deceive the enemy, you
know, back in world war II,
823
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,967
we had light deception,
so you know...
824
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:23,633
- You had something
called Window
825
00:39:23,767 --> 00:39:28,400
which we now know is
chaff to screw up radars
826
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:29,567
you know what I mean?
827
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,066
It just filled
radars with images.
828
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,033
- But I think when we
come up with programs
829
00:39:33,166 --> 00:39:34,266
to deceive the enemy
830
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,533
and they come up with
programs to deceive us,
831
00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:39,700
it's usually in one
particular domain.
832
00:39:39,834 --> 00:39:44,800
So it's to spoof radar or is
to trick this or to trick that.
833
00:39:46,266 --> 00:39:50,200
- Since we attack, you know,
sensors kind of one at a time
834
00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:53,567
when you have a
multispectral confirmation,
835
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,533
radar, infrared, visual,
836
00:39:56,667 --> 00:40:00,533
the odds of something spoofing
the same in all those domains
837
00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:01,734
is pretty low.
838
00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:03,400
- Radar spoofing doesn't
give you a visual.
839
00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:05,233
- And radar just
displays on your console
840
00:40:05,367 --> 00:40:06,967
it doesn't create anything
out of the cockpit.
841
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:07,967
You wouldn't see that.
842
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,633
- You wouldn't see that.
843
00:40:09,767 --> 00:40:11,400
- There wouldn't be a Tic
Tac out there flying around.
844
00:40:11,533 --> 00:40:12,734
- [Tom] It's decption.
845
00:40:12,867 --> 00:40:14,200
- [Narrator] The team
doesn't believe the objects
846
00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:15,834
are related to radar spoofing,
847
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,700
but could they be some
other advanced technology
848
00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:22,967
being tested by the Air
Force on Navy pilots?
849
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:25,734
- If you're talking
about conducting tests
850
00:40:25,867 --> 00:40:29,133
with a carrier battle group,
you're not blindsiding
851
00:40:29,266 --> 00:40:31,066
the commander of the
carrier battle group.
852
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,900
There's multimillion
dollar aircraft
853
00:40:34,033 --> 00:40:36,300
and safety and lives at stake,
854
00:40:36,433 --> 00:40:38,967
you're not using these
people like guinnea pigs.
855
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:42,367
- You don't wanna test
something super classified
856
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:43,633
and in front of
a bunch of people
857
00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:45,066
that are not read onto a program
858
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,233
and all of a sudden are now
talking about this thing
859
00:40:47,367 --> 00:40:49,367
in the open saying,
what the hell is that?
860
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,400
I mean, that's not a great
way to keep up secret.
861
00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:53,367
- Correct, all those
radar operators
862
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:54,900
going talking about
what happened
863
00:40:55,033 --> 00:40:56,133
that's not what you want
864
00:40:56,266 --> 00:40:57,900
if you were trying to
protect that capability.
865
00:40:58,033 --> 00:41:00,467
- [Narrator] If the objects
aren't top secret technology
866
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,533
the government wants to keep
hidden, then what are they?
867
00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:07,633
- If we ask ourselves,
if someone else has made
868
00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:11,867
a fundamental, radical
technological breakthrough,
869
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,633
how would that appear to us?
870
00:41:13,767 --> 00:41:14,633
What might that look like?
- [Lue] Right.
871
00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:16,633
It would look like magic.
872
00:41:16,767 --> 00:41:19,066
- It would be magic, witchcraft
- It would look like magic.
873
00:41:21,333 --> 00:41:24,767
- [Chris] It is baffling to a
degree that is almost magical,
874
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:27,967
how could you possibly
have a sphere safe object
875
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,867
with a cubic side that
goes at supersonic speeds
876
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,033
could loiter all
day or a Tic Tac
877
00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:35,633
that could descend from
80,000 feet to 50 feet
878
00:41:35,767 --> 00:41:38,767
and then shoot off
at insane speeds
879
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,367
that would tear apart anything
that ever built by man,
880
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,967
and then come to a
complete hover, right?
881
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,867
It's so what we're seeing
really looks a lot like
882
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,633
what you might expect to see
883
00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:52,300
if somebody had had a
fundamental breakthrough
884
00:41:52,433 --> 00:41:55,533
that leapfrog, it's far
far ahead of anything
885
00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:56,867
that we've devised,
886
00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:00,100
- [Narrator] The team
believes the mounting evidence
887
00:42:00,233 --> 00:42:03,100
proves these incidents are
not U.S. military tests
888
00:42:03,233 --> 00:42:06,200
and are possibly something
all together extraordinary.
889
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:07,367
- I don't (mumbling)
890
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,767
- We're very confident
these are not
891
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:12,200
some form of experimental
U.S. aircraft
892
00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:14,934
because of the position
the Navy's taken
893
00:42:15,066 --> 00:42:17,000
but also the fact
that these vehicles
894
00:42:17,133 --> 00:42:20,333
are operating in such close
proximity to Navy fighters
895
00:42:20,467 --> 00:42:22,333
and carrier battle groups.
896
00:42:22,467 --> 00:42:25,367
There is a profound
mystery here,
897
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:26,867
are we alone in the universe?
898
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,600
And we may be the
first generation
899
00:42:29,734 --> 00:42:33,934
in the history of our species
that can answer this question
900
00:42:34,066 --> 00:42:35,700
and do so definitively
901
00:42:35,834 --> 00:42:38,200
and getting the
answer to this mystery
902
00:42:38,333 --> 00:42:41,333
motivates me to no
end, whatever it takes,
903
00:42:41,467 --> 00:42:43,600
to try to answer that question.
904
00:42:43,734 --> 00:42:45,867
- We always wanna have a nice,
neat little bow on things
905
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,367
and say, well, it's gotta
be then extraterrestrial,
906
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,767
but you know, there's
a lot of other options.
907
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,600
It could actually be a
combination of both U.S.
908
00:42:54,734 --> 00:42:57,433
and adversarial, it could be
that it's extraterrestrial.
909
00:42:57,567 --> 00:43:00,500
There's an entire
universe of physics
910
00:43:00,633 --> 00:43:02,433
that we're just now
beginning to unlock
911
00:43:02,567 --> 00:43:04,600
and understand,
maybe there's options
912
00:43:04,734 --> 00:43:06,767
that we've never even
considered before.
913
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,600
Simply because we don't
have the technology
914
00:43:08,734 --> 00:43:10,600
or the science yet,
or the understanding
915
00:43:10,734 --> 00:43:12,600
to even ask the right question.
72990
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