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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,266 --> 00:00:04,933 ANNOUNCER: This program is rated PG, and contains 2 00:00:04,933 --> 00:00:05,033 ANNOUNCER: This program is rated PG, and contains 3 00:00:05,166 --> 00:00:06,533 mature subject matter. 4 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:08,200 Viewer discretion is advised. 5 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:13,200 ) 6 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:15,033 - [Narrator] Tonight on identified. 7 00:00:23,367 --> 00:00:25,934 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo expands his UFO investigation 8 00:00:26,066 --> 00:00:27,500 to South America. 9 00:00:27,633 --> 00:00:30,533 - Are they seeing the same thing in the skies that we are? 10 00:00:30,667 --> 00:00:32,333 - [Narrator] From never before seen video. 11 00:00:37,133 --> 00:00:40,100 - [Narrator] To an alleged midair showdown with the UFO. 12 00:00:40,233 --> 00:00:42,033 - Oscar Santa Maria was given the order. 13 00:00:42,166 --> 00:00:44,300 If it isn't ours, shoot it down. 14 00:00:45,667 --> 00:00:47,767 - [Narrator] Is there a connection to ancient sightings? 15 00:00:50,734 --> 00:00:52,367 - They were being witnessed 16 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:54,433 by these people who've lived on this land 17 00:00:54,567 --> 00:00:56,033 for thousands of years. 18 00:00:56,166 --> 00:00:58,934 - [Narrator] And what can military officials there reveal? 19 00:00:59,066 --> 00:01:01,667 - [Rubin] They think that I'm covering up things. 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,100 Covering up? 21 00:01:04,367 --> 00:01:05,500 - [Lue] What? 22 00:01:05,633 --> 00:01:07,500 That for me was a drop the mic moment. 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,333 (air whooshing) 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,166 - [Narrator] Everything we know about UFOs is changing. 25 00:01:20,567 --> 00:01:23,500 Thanks to a team led by former Pentagon UFO investigator, 26 00:01:23,633 --> 00:01:24,834 Lue Elizondo. 27 00:01:24,967 --> 00:01:27,500 - That is real whatever that is. 28 00:01:27,633 --> 00:01:29,233 - [Narrator] And former top intelligence official, 29 00:01:29,367 --> 00:01:30,433 Chris Mellon. 30 00:01:30,567 --> 00:01:32,333 - This is a current continuing phenomenon. 31 00:01:32,467 --> 00:01:35,166 It's happening, it continues to happen. 32 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:38,166 (air whooshing) (static crackling) 33 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:40,100 - [Narrator] They discovered five unique characteristics 34 00:01:40,233 --> 00:01:41,934 that UFOs have in common. 35 00:01:42,066 --> 00:01:43,533 They call the five observables. 36 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,667 And released groundbreaking videos, 37 00:01:49,033 --> 00:01:50,834 that forced the Navy to admit its pilots 38 00:01:50,967 --> 00:01:54,266 were coming face to face with unidentified objects. 39 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,266 - [Male Reporter] The US Navy 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,100 made a shocking admission today. 41 00:01:57,233 --> 00:01:58,433 - [Female Reporter] Strange flying objects 42 00:01:58,567 --> 00:02:00,400 caught on tape by their own fighter pilots 43 00:02:00,533 --> 00:02:02,600 are in fact UFOs. 44 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,000 - Something needs to be done. 45 00:02:06,066 --> 00:02:07,967 - [Narrator] Now a new wave of military witnesses 46 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:09,900 is coming out of the shadows. 47 00:02:10,033 --> 00:02:11,667 - I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared ---less. 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,500 I never seen anything move like that. 49 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:14,667 Shape, size, speed, 50 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,000 it's clearly unidentified. 51 00:02:16,133 --> 00:02:18,667 - [Narrator] The team is united on a new mission. 52 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,734 Connect the dots to reveal the truth about UFOs. 53 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:25,333 - [Pilot] This thing had no capability 54 00:02:25,467 --> 00:02:26,667 like anything on earth. 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,300 - [Narrator] And warn the world about the dangers 56 00:02:28,433 --> 00:02:29,433 they might represent. 57 00:02:30,633 --> 00:02:32,834 - [Chris] Carl Sagan once famously said 58 00:02:32,967 --> 00:02:36,000 extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 59 00:02:36,133 --> 00:02:38,333 He was absolutely right. 60 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:41,133 But now we have the proof. 61 00:02:41,266 --> 00:02:44,100 (static crackling) 62 00:02:48,266 --> 00:02:52,066 (plane engine humming) 63 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,233 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo is on a mission to South America. 64 00:02:55,367 --> 00:02:57,433 Known for being a UFO hotspot, 65 00:02:58,633 --> 00:03:01,066 home to thousands of unexplained sightings. 66 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,834 (air whooshing) 67 00:03:06,834 --> 00:03:08,233 (piano keys playing) 68 00:03:08,367 --> 00:03:11,066 Chile, Argentina and Peru are at the center of the storm. 69 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,600 (static crackling) 70 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:14,400 - In Chile, which is thought to have the most UFO sightings 71 00:03:14,533 --> 00:03:16,233 of any country in the world, 72 00:03:16,367 --> 00:03:19,367 a Navy helicopter reported this UFO. 73 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:20,967 It's Tic Tac like shape, 74 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:24,200 similar to objects reported by US Navy pilots. 75 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:25,066 (static crackling) 76 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,900 - [Pilot] Look at this thing. 77 00:03:27,033 --> 00:03:28,166 It's rotating. 78 00:03:36,767 --> 00:03:39,800 - [Narrator] Elizondo's first stop is Lima, Peru. 79 00:03:39,934 --> 00:03:42,900 - Are they seeing the same thing in the skies that we are? 80 00:03:43,033 --> 00:03:45,734 And if so, that's yet another piece of the puzzle 81 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:49,233 that this is truly a global phenomena. 82 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:50,233 (city humming) 83 00:03:50,367 --> 00:03:51,233 (car honking) 84 00:03:51,367 --> 00:03:53,133 (traffic humming) 85 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:54,800 - [Narrator] He's learned there's a retired general 86 00:03:54,934 --> 00:03:57,133 with an incredible story to tell. 87 00:04:01,266 --> 00:04:02,800 - [Lue] I'm on my way to meet general Spicer now 88 00:04:02,934 --> 00:04:05,633 in San Isidro here in Lima, Peru. 89 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:08,367 This military officer happens to be former general. 90 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:11,266 And this is an individual who's not only a trained observer, 91 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,800 he's also an instructor. 92 00:04:12,934 --> 00:04:14,000 So, he understands aircraft 93 00:04:14,133 --> 00:04:15,867 probably better than most people. 94 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,133 So general Spicer, 95 00:04:17,266 --> 00:04:22,033 have you ever witnessed anything that left you 96 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:26,200 scratching your head wondering what the hell was that? 97 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,300 - [Narrator] April 11, 1980, 98 00:04:43,433 --> 00:04:46,100 La Joya Airforce Base in southern Peru. 99 00:04:46,233 --> 00:04:49,266 Spicer and a young lieutenant named Oscar Santa Maria 100 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,867 are lined up for inspection 101 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,734 when a strange report comes in from the control tower. 102 00:05:08,967 --> 00:05:10,333 - [Narrator] A large glowing object 103 00:05:10,467 --> 00:05:12,934 is hovering outside the basis restricted airspace 104 00:05:13,066 --> 00:05:16,867 and isn't responding to radio commands to identify itself. 105 00:05:26,633 --> 00:05:29,033 - [Lue] You're talking about almost 2000 people 106 00:05:29,166 --> 00:05:31,433 in formation standing on an airfield 107 00:05:31,567 --> 00:05:34,266 watching as Oscar Santa Maria was scrambled 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:35,767 to go intercept this thing. 109 00:05:37,166 --> 00:05:39,834 - [Narrator] Santa Maria takes off in the Sukhoi Su 22, 110 00:05:39,967 --> 00:05:41,533 part of a fleet of advanced fighters 111 00:05:41,667 --> 00:05:44,367 Peru had recently purchased from the Soviet Union. 112 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,667 - [Lue] A Sukhoi 22 supersonic swing wing Aircraft 113 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,166 variable geometry wing. 114 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:53,367 One of the fastest aircraft at the time on the planet. 115 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:55,200 - [Narrator] As Santa Maria Soviet made jet 116 00:05:55,333 --> 00:05:56,500 screams over the base. 117 00:05:56,633 --> 00:05:57,934 (jet engine roaring) 118 00:05:58,066 --> 00:06:00,266 He maneuvers to get a visual on the strange object. 119 00:06:35,734 --> 00:06:36,834 - [Narrator] Back at base, 120 00:06:36,967 --> 00:06:39,433 the giant glowing object was considered a threat 121 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:40,834 that needed to be taken out. 122 00:06:40,967 --> 00:06:42,767 (upbeat music) 123 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:45,400 - Oscar Santa Maria was given the order, 124 00:06:45,533 --> 00:06:47,900 if it isn't ours, shoot it down. 125 00:06:48,033 --> 00:06:50,233 (jet engine roaring) 126 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:05,567 - [Narrator] Santa Maria says the object accelerated 127 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:07,967 to more than 1200 miles per hour 128 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:09,834 and suddenly stopped in midair. 129 00:07:09,967 --> 00:07:11,834 - And every time he tries to get close to the object, 130 00:07:11,967 --> 00:07:13,066 what happens? 131 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,600 The object moves away he can't get close. 132 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:30,567 (air whooshing) 133 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:31,500 - [Narrator] Santa Maria says 134 00:07:31,633 --> 00:07:33,633 he fired off round after round, 135 00:07:33,767 --> 00:07:35,900 but the object appeared to absorb the fire 136 00:07:36,033 --> 00:07:37,767 with no visible damage. 137 00:07:43,867 --> 00:07:45,500 - No obvious scientific propulsion, 138 00:07:45,633 --> 00:07:48,967 no engine, no exhaust, no jet plume 139 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:51,233 or anything else that you would normally associate 140 00:07:51,367 --> 00:07:53,066 with a traditional aircraft. 141 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,967 - [Narrator] The smooth orb-like object 142 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:57,734 which outmaneuvered Santa Maria's fighter jet 143 00:07:57,867 --> 00:07:59,967 is displaying two of the five observables 144 00:08:00,166 --> 00:08:03,767 identified by Elizondo as being common to UFOs. 145 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,967 Instantaneous acceleration, 146 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:07,300 the ability to immediately 147 00:08:07,433 --> 00:08:09,166 achieve high speeds, 148 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:11,066 and anti-gravity, 149 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,233 the ability to fly without apparent propulsion or lift. 150 00:08:14,367 --> 00:08:15,633 (static crackling) (upbeat music) 151 00:08:15,767 --> 00:08:18,967 - [Lue] A lot of what they're telling me does reaffirm 152 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:20,967 information we've already had. 153 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,967 Particularly on the five observables 154 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:25,800 continue to be reinforced during my engagement down here. 155 00:08:25,934 --> 00:08:28,633 So that for me is encouraging because it shows that 156 00:08:28,767 --> 00:08:30,133 we're on the right track. 157 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,400 - [Narrator] After he returned to base, 158 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:35,467 Santa Maria created this sketch 159 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,800 which shows an object that by all known laws of physics 160 00:08:38,934 --> 00:08:42,200 should not be able to fly or absorb gunfire. 161 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:01,967 - [Narrator] Documents show a confidential source 162 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:03,767 inside the Peruvian Air Force 163 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:06,967 reported the incident to the US Embassy in Lima, 164 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:09,200 which notified the Pentagon. 165 00:09:09,333 --> 00:09:10,800 Why? 166 00:09:10,934 --> 00:09:13,800 One theory is that the object Santa Maria saw is not alien, 167 00:09:13,934 --> 00:09:15,133 but American made. 168 00:09:16,934 --> 00:09:19,533 Bill Scott is an expert on top secret aircraft 169 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:22,033 and was an editor at Aviation Week. 170 00:09:22,166 --> 00:09:24,600 He believes the object could be related to a US effort 171 00:09:24,734 --> 00:09:27,367 to spy on the Soviet presence in Peru. 172 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:29,533 - We had some satellite surveillance, of course, 173 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:32,967 but you can fly some kind of reconnaissance aircraft over, 174 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:35,200 get some pretty solid pictures, 175 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:36,700 that's even better. 176 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:39,533 - [Narrator] In 1980, the Cold War was burning hot again, 177 00:09:39,667 --> 00:09:42,100 and the Soviet made Sukhoi SU 22 178 00:09:42,233 --> 00:09:44,133 that Oscar Santa Maria was flying 179 00:09:44,266 --> 00:09:46,133 was one of the most advanced aircraft 180 00:09:46,266 --> 00:09:48,200 ever delivered to South America. 181 00:09:48,333 --> 00:09:51,467 Did the US send some kind of advanced surveillance craft 182 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,633 to monitor the Peruvian Air Force's new capabilities? 183 00:09:54,767 --> 00:09:57,033 Some of the vehicles that they might use, 184 00:09:57,166 --> 00:09:58,467 drones of some sort, 185 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,000 they didn't care if they were seen. 186 00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:03,800 They wanted not only, let's say the South American country, 187 00:10:03,934 --> 00:10:06,133 but they also wanted the sponsor, the Soviet. 188 00:10:06,266 --> 00:10:08,033 So know we're keeping an eye on you. 189 00:10:08,166 --> 00:10:10,100 - [Narrator] Five years earlier in Vietnam, 190 00:10:10,233 --> 00:10:14,266 the US using a drone called the Ryan 147 Lightning Bug. 191 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,433 - They used Ryan 147 for a number of reconnaissance roles. 192 00:10:18,567 --> 00:10:20,133 So they were just, 193 00:10:20,266 --> 00:10:22,700 jet powered, rail launched, 194 00:10:22,834 --> 00:10:24,367 they put cameras on them 195 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:26,033 and eventually over the years 196 00:10:26,166 --> 00:10:28,367 they would put a lot of electronics on there. 197 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:30,300 (air whooshing) 198 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:32,166 - [Narrator] Could what Santa Maria saw 199 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:34,867 have been an advanced version of the Ryan 147? 200 00:10:36,066 --> 00:10:37,200 - I don't think that would be any of these 201 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:38,600 Lightning Bug drones, 202 00:10:38,734 --> 00:10:41,433 because they were a lot more aircraft-like. 203 00:10:41,567 --> 00:10:42,633 They had wings on them, 204 00:10:42,767 --> 00:10:44,467 long fuselages, 205 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,133 typically had an under chin inlet. 206 00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:48,867 - [Narrator] What was the bizarre object 207 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,266 that was allegedly impervious 208 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,100 to Oscar Santa Maria's machine gunfire. 209 00:10:53,233 --> 00:10:54,967 And can Lue Elizondo connect the dots 210 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,133 to a sighting 40 years later 211 00:10:57,266 --> 00:10:59,300 seen and this never before released video? 212 00:10:59,433 --> 00:11:02,767 (electronics humming) 213 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:03,767 (static crackling) 214 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:05,266 Coming up on Unidentified. 215 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,834 - I saw this bright light, 216 00:11:06,967 --> 00:11:08,767 and I was like okay, what is this? 217 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:10,200 I took out my phone 218 00:11:10,333 --> 00:11:11,533 and when I zoomed, 219 00:11:11,667 --> 00:11:13,500 I got to see this circular shape. 220 00:11:13,633 --> 00:11:14,700 - What's the likelihood 221 00:11:14,834 --> 00:11:16,800 that this could be a traditional aircraft, 222 00:11:16,934 --> 00:11:18,233 scale of 1-10? 223 00:11:18,367 --> 00:11:19,133 - Zero? 224 00:11:19,266 --> 00:11:26,800 (static crackling) 225 00:11:26,934 --> 00:11:28,900 - I think each individual is a critical piece 226 00:11:29,033 --> 00:11:30,433 to this jigsaw puzzle. 227 00:11:31,467 --> 00:11:33,300 If it's not for their testimony, 228 00:11:33,433 --> 00:11:35,734 then we're missing a critical piece. 229 00:11:35,867 --> 00:11:37,734 Ultimately, you can't put together a puzzle 230 00:11:37,867 --> 00:11:39,066 unless you have all the pieces. 231 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,333 (intriguing music) 232 00:11:41,467 --> 00:11:43,500 - [Narrator] Lue Elizando has just met with a pilot 233 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:45,900 who says he engaged in midair showdown 234 00:11:46,033 --> 00:11:49,300 with a UFO in southern Peru in 1980. 235 00:11:56,133 --> 00:11:57,500 - [Narrator] One theory 236 00:11:57,633 --> 00:11:59,333 is that the object was the US reconnaissance drone, 237 00:11:59,467 --> 00:12:01,400 but the primitive drones at that time 238 00:12:01,533 --> 00:12:04,333 don't match the pilots description of what he saw. 239 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:12,467 - [Photographer] I think he's gonna be wearing 240 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,233 just black shirt. 241 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:15,367 - [Man] Yeah. 242 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:16,867 - [Narrator] And now a commercial pilot 243 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,133 has come forward with a similar sighting in 2019. 244 00:12:20,266 --> 00:12:22,900 - [Crew] We're just gonna mic you up over here really quick. 245 00:12:23,033 --> 00:12:24,834 - [Narrator] He's asked not to be identified. 246 00:12:26,033 --> 00:12:27,066 - [Lue] I wanna thank you very much 247 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,567 for having the courage to come forward. 248 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:30,867 - [Pilot] Thank you. 249 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,433 - In this particular case, 250 00:12:32,567 --> 00:12:35,567 this individual wants to keep his identity protected because 251 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:37,734 he was afraid he may lose his job. 252 00:12:37,867 --> 00:12:40,233 First of all, what kind of pilot are you? 253 00:12:40,367 --> 00:12:40,834 What do you fly? 254 00:12:49,767 --> 00:12:51,133 - [Narrator] The pilot has flown domestic 255 00:12:51,266 --> 00:12:52,700 and international flights 256 00:12:52,834 --> 00:12:54,467 for the past 11 years. 257 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,200 - [Narrator] At about 2 am, 258 00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:07,700 his Airbus A320 is flying at 35,000 feet, 259 00:13:07,834 --> 00:13:10,734 approximately 150 miles off the coast of Chile. 260 00:13:23,066 --> 00:13:25,033 - [Narrator] But this time he sees a bright white orb 261 00:13:25,166 --> 00:13:26,767 tracking the plane to the west. 262 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,934 - I would love to see that video. 263 00:13:42,233 --> 00:13:44,133 - The pilot plays the video for Elizondo. 264 00:13:45,233 --> 00:13:46,633 It appears to show an orb 265 00:13:46,767 --> 00:13:48,033 inside another orb. 266 00:13:57,433 --> 00:13:59,266 - [Narrator] The pilot pans to the radar screen 267 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,700 to record his exact location. 268 00:14:01,834 --> 00:14:03,600 - [Lue] I'm glad he did that, that's smart. 269 00:14:08,667 --> 00:14:10,867 - How long did you observe this light 270 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,333 outside the cockpit window. 271 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:14,667 - Wow, okay. 272 00:14:16,567 --> 00:14:18,700 - What you filmed there, it's a real object. 273 00:14:18,834 --> 00:14:20,333 Now I don't know what it is. 274 00:14:20,467 --> 00:14:22,266 But you have, 275 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,000 that's something that actually occurred. 276 00:14:24,133 --> 00:14:25,867 Now, maybe it has a terrestrial explanation, 277 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,100 maybe it doesn't, 278 00:14:27,233 --> 00:14:29,700 but one thing we do know is that is real, 279 00:14:29,834 --> 00:14:31,200 whatever that is. 280 00:14:32,133 --> 00:14:33,500 - [Narrator] But what was it? 281 00:14:33,633 --> 00:14:34,867 The pilot shows a video 282 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,533 that appears to be of the same object 283 00:14:36,667 --> 00:14:38,200 taken two days earlier 284 00:14:38,333 --> 00:14:40,367 and nearly 2000 miles away 285 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,433 over Peru's largest airport. 286 00:15:02,734 --> 00:15:03,834 (traffic humming) 287 00:15:03,967 --> 00:15:04,934 - [Narrator] The Peruvian Air Force 288 00:15:05,066 --> 00:15:06,667 investigated the incident, 289 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,266 concluding they were unable to identify the orbs 290 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,667 seen over the airport. 291 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,433 - That is a pretty bizarre looking craft. 292 00:15:13,567 --> 00:15:16,166 That isn't like anything that we have. 293 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:17,333 - [Narrator] But one theory 294 00:15:17,467 --> 00:15:19,100 may provide a simple explanation. 295 00:15:20,233 --> 00:15:21,600 Over the past decade, 296 00:15:21,734 --> 00:15:24,600 Google has launched a fleet of high altitude balloons 297 00:15:24,734 --> 00:15:28,266 to provide Internet access to remote areas around the world 298 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,834 called Project Loon. 299 00:15:29,967 --> 00:15:31,266 These large white balloons 300 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,333 fly above Peru as high as 65,000 feet 301 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:36,533 and could have floated from Peru to Chile. 302 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:47,100 - [Lu] So if this was, let's say, one of these balloons, 303 00:15:47,233 --> 00:15:48,934 would you have been made aware of it 304 00:15:49,066 --> 00:15:51,233 by a ATC? 305 00:15:51,367 --> 00:15:53,100 'Cause their flight safety issue? 306 00:15:53,233 --> 00:15:55,100 - [Pilot] Of course, yeah. 307 00:15:55,233 --> 00:15:57,834 - At this point is too early to tell if what the pilot saw 308 00:15:57,967 --> 00:16:00,333 is indeed the same objects ever reported 309 00:16:00,467 --> 00:16:03,233 over the Lima airport just days prior. 310 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:06,166 There are some people that are absolutely confident 311 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:07,667 it was a Google balloon. 312 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,066 There's other people said there was no Google balloons 313 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,333 in that area. 314 00:16:10,467 --> 00:16:12,934 So I think it's too premature to tell. 315 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:16,467 - [Narrator] The cellphone video makes it difficult to tell 316 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,066 if the object displays any of the five observables 317 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,567 common to UFOs. 318 00:16:22,367 --> 00:16:23,800 So Elizondo 319 00:16:23,934 --> 00:16:26,734 sends it to a retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel Chris Cook, 320 00:16:26,867 --> 00:16:28,467 an aviation consultant, 321 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,900 and former top gun pilot. 322 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:32,166 - Hey there, Chris. 323 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:33,300 - Hey Lue, how are you? 324 00:16:33,433 --> 00:16:35,000 - I'm doing pretty good. 325 00:16:35,133 --> 00:16:36,233 - [Narrator] Elizondo wants to know 326 00:16:36,367 --> 00:16:38,233 if the strange object in the video 327 00:16:38,367 --> 00:16:40,433 looks like anything Cook has seen before. 328 00:16:42,633 --> 00:16:46,900 - Can an aircraft commercial or military look like that 329 00:16:47,033 --> 00:16:48,400 from far away? 330 00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:51,300 Typically you would see navigation lights, right? 331 00:16:51,433 --> 00:16:53,667 - One of the things that we do when we're at altitude, 332 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,567 especially flying out in the middle of nowhere, 333 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:58,133 if you do spot another aircraft, 334 00:16:58,266 --> 00:17:00,567 determining lights or the landing lights on, 335 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:02,233 it's kinda like a courtesy. 336 00:17:02,367 --> 00:17:04,133 But I've never seen anything like that 337 00:17:04,266 --> 00:17:08,033 where it's just one spherical light 338 00:17:08,166 --> 00:17:10,800 outside of maybe a bright planet. 339 00:17:10,934 --> 00:17:12,967 - [Narrator] Elizondo wants to explore the theory 340 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:15,567 that the object might be a Google balloon. 341 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:17,800 - I've heard of these things. 342 00:17:17,934 --> 00:17:20,967 But why would a balloon be illuminated that brightly 343 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:22,333 at that altitude? 344 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,066 And if it is a balloon, 345 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,367 then you would expect there to be some closure on it, right? 346 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:29,200 Because it should be stationary. 347 00:17:29,333 --> 00:17:30,400 It's a little baffling. 348 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:33,400 - One of the statements the pilot made to me is that 349 00:17:33,533 --> 00:17:36,734 he had the impression that there was this oscillation. 350 00:17:36,867 --> 00:17:41,467 Do you have any idea at all what might give the appearance 351 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,300 of some sort of oscillation? 352 00:17:43,433 --> 00:17:46,233 Are there aircraft that will pivot back and forth or... 353 00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:47,633 - Not in my experience. 354 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:52,133 I have not ever witnessed any type of aircraft 355 00:17:52,266 --> 00:17:53,633 at that altitude 356 00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:56,900 that have those characteristics that you just explained. 357 00:17:58,367 --> 00:18:00,533 - [Narrator] But does it show any of the five observables? 358 00:18:00,667 --> 00:18:01,967 - When I look at these incidents, 359 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:03,200 I'm not just looking at video, 360 00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:05,166 I'm comparing it to the five observables. 361 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:07,867 Extreme acceleration and hypersonic velocities 362 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,266 and no control surface flight surfaces, 363 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,967 no obvious means of thrust or propulsion. 364 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:15,467 Is there anything in that video that you see 365 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,200 that you say, "ah hah, 366 00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,700 that's an unusual performance characteristic"? 367 00:18:19,834 --> 00:18:21,967 - This look like nothing I've ever seen. 368 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:23,200 - What's the likelihood 369 00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:25,300 that this could be a traditional aircraft? 370 00:18:25,433 --> 00:18:26,700 Scale of 1-10. 371 00:18:26,834 --> 00:18:28,033 - Ah, zero. 372 00:18:28,166 --> 00:18:29,033 - Wow. 373 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,300 - [Narrator] To cook, 374 00:18:30,433 --> 00:18:32,533 the object clearly isn't a traditional aircraft. 375 00:18:32,667 --> 00:18:34,100 But what is it? 376 00:18:34,233 --> 00:18:37,367 - In this particular case, there's information out there 377 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:40,367 that does not neatly fit within 378 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:43,467 the categories of information we have. 379 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,433 Doesn't mean it's not relevant, no. 380 00:18:45,567 --> 00:18:47,300 We have to take all the data point. 381 00:18:47,433 --> 00:18:48,467 Maybe it'll make sense, 382 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,400 maybe there's more than five observables. 383 00:18:51,433 --> 00:18:53,300 (soft music) 384 00:18:53,433 --> 00:18:54,633 - [Narrator] The Lima airport incident 385 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,800 is just one of dozens of UFOs 386 00:18:56,934 --> 00:18:59,100 the Peruvian Air Force has investigated 387 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:01,533 and then released their findings to the public. 388 00:19:01,667 --> 00:19:03,166 Is a level of transparency 389 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:05,700 Elizondo thinks the US can learn from. 390 00:19:05,834 --> 00:19:07,000 - When you look at a map 391 00:19:07,133 --> 00:19:08,934 and you remove all those national lines, 392 00:19:09,066 --> 00:19:10,433 we're all connected. 393 00:19:10,567 --> 00:19:11,700 We're all of Americans. And at the end of the day, 394 00:19:11,834 --> 00:19:13,500 it's really incumbent upon all of us 395 00:19:13,633 --> 00:19:16,367 to protect this hemisphere from anything and everything. 396 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:17,767 - [Narrator] It's the Peruvian Air Force's 397 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,266 Centennial conference 398 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,333 and Elizondo is invited to speak to a group of Airmen. 399 00:19:22,467 --> 00:19:24,033 - There are things in our airspace 400 00:19:24,166 --> 00:19:25,934 that are indeed unidentified 401 00:19:26,066 --> 00:19:27,100 and they are real. 402 00:19:27,233 --> 00:19:30,367 We are observing vehicles or objects 403 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:33,200 that have no control surfaces, no wings, 404 00:19:33,333 --> 00:19:35,533 and no visible form of propulsion. 405 00:19:35,667 --> 00:19:37,800 My only purpose really for being here 406 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,867 is not to make you believe, 407 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,934 is to ask you to report. 408 00:19:43,066 --> 00:19:44,367 - [Narrator] When word of Elizando's talk 409 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:45,867 reaches the highest office, 410 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,200 he's called to a meeting with the head of the Air Force. 411 00:19:49,333 --> 00:19:52,767 - [Lue] General Garcia is responsible for 412 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:54,533 protecting the airspace over Peru. 413 00:19:54,667 --> 00:19:57,700 That includes every mission from counter-terrorism, 414 00:19:57,834 --> 00:20:00,367 to counter-narcotics, 415 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:02,200 to surveillance. 416 00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:04,200 He has a huge responsibility 417 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:06,934 and ultimately, the buck stops with him. 418 00:20:07,066 --> 00:20:10,500 So this is for me a very important meeting. 419 00:20:10,633 --> 00:20:12,767 - [Narrator] It's a major step in Elizondo's quest 420 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,867 to exchange information with military leaders here. 421 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,867 General I'm coming here to you 422 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,333 as a citizen of the United States 423 00:20:20,467 --> 00:20:22,033 and a citizen of the world. 424 00:20:22,166 --> 00:20:24,867 My ultimate goal for meeting with you 425 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 is simply to emphasize our willingness 426 00:20:28,133 --> 00:20:30,767 to work with Peru 427 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:33,200 in a cooperative relationship. 428 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:36,033 - I would like to congratulation to you 429 00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:39,200 because you are doing great work. 430 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:43,834 You will have the opportunity to talk with another officers. 431 00:21:01,533 --> 00:21:02,900 - [Narrator] The general and Elizondo 432 00:21:03,033 --> 00:21:04,500 discuss how the US and Peru 433 00:21:04,633 --> 00:21:08,000 can jointly investigate unidentified aerial phenomena 434 00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:09,767 and how to share their findings. 435 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,900 - I'm very pleased that you agree 436 00:21:12,033 --> 00:21:14,934 that this should be an international 437 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:16,500 cooperative effort. 438 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:19,600 - Si. 439 00:21:19,734 --> 00:21:20,433 - Thanks very much again. 440 00:21:20,567 --> 00:21:22,266 - Thank you so much. 441 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,233 - Thank you. - Mucho gusto. 442 00:21:23,367 --> 00:21:24,767 - Gracias. - Mucho gusto. 443 00:21:25,734 --> 00:21:27,667 - [Narrator] But for now, for Elizondo 444 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,433 the origins of the glowing orbs is still a mystery. 445 00:21:31,867 --> 00:21:35,100 Could there be a clue in a series of unusual orb sightings 446 00:21:35,233 --> 00:21:36,834 spanning generations? 447 00:21:36,967 --> 00:21:38,500 He's on his way to find out. 448 00:21:38,633 --> 00:21:39,433 (static crackling) 449 00:21:39,567 --> 00:21:41,233 Coming up on Unidentified. 450 00:21:41,367 --> 00:21:44,100 - Friends, neighbors, family members 451 00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:46,433 see these things on a regular routine basis 452 00:21:46,567 --> 00:21:49,400 and they go back millennia 453 00:21:49,533 --> 00:21:51,400 in oral tradition talking about orbs 454 00:21:51,533 --> 00:21:52,934 flying across their land. 455 00:21:53,066 --> 00:21:55,033 (static crackling) 456 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,533 sic) 457 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,100 While we were in AATIP, we cast a very wide net 458 00:22:04,233 --> 00:22:07,500 we had some information pertaining to Latin America. 459 00:22:07,633 --> 00:22:10,233 But that information was provided to us 460 00:22:10,367 --> 00:22:11,934 via other individuals. 461 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,700 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo was traveling from Peru to Argentina 462 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:19,934 to investigate a series of UFO sightings in South America. 463 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:23,066 Here in Patagonia, 464 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000 people had been reporting similar lights in the sky 465 00:22:25,133 --> 00:22:26,100 for centuries. 466 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,433 Local residents so they typically look like firing orbs. 467 00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:34,433 (soft piano music) 468 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,033 (air whooshing) 469 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,400 - [Narrator] Recently new lights have appeared in the sky 470 00:23:00,533 --> 00:23:01,900 further down the road. 471 00:23:02,033 --> 00:23:04,133 Andrea Morales explains. 472 00:23:04,266 --> 00:23:06,800 - What did you think when you saw this light? 473 00:23:30,967 --> 00:23:32,066 - [Narrator] Could these spinning lights 474 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,633 be the same objects seen over Chile. 475 00:23:34,767 --> 00:23:37,233 Elizondo uncovers an interesting lead. 476 00:23:37,367 --> 00:23:40,633 According to eyewitnesses, the appearance of spinning lights 477 00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:43,734 coincided with a foreign object of a different kind. 478 00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:45,667 (calm music) 479 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,300 - I was very surprised to hear that 480 00:23:47,433 --> 00:23:49,567 there is a highly sophisticated 481 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,967 Chinese satellite ground station 482 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,834 literally plopped in the middle of nowhere 483 00:23:53,967 --> 00:23:55,767 next the town of Las Lajas. 484 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,300 The question is, what in the hell is it doing here? 485 00:23:59,433 --> 00:24:01,800 (static crackling) (people clapping) 486 00:24:01,934 --> 00:24:03,734 - China spent $50 million 487 00:24:03,867 --> 00:24:07,166 to build the 16-story antenna and Mission Control facility. 488 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,200 The compound is 40 minutes from the nearest town 489 00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:14,200 and secured behind an eight-foot barbed wire fence. 490 00:24:14,333 --> 00:24:15,633 It stated purpose 491 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:17,967 to help the Chinese land a spacecraft 492 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:19,500 on the far side of the moon. 493 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,734 - China is an emerging superpower. 494 00:24:24,867 --> 00:24:26,967 If you're trying to gather telemetry, 495 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,633 say, over the southern hemisphere, 496 00:24:29,767 --> 00:24:31,633 you need a ground station with line of sight. 497 00:24:31,767 --> 00:24:33,967 So as they become more active in space, 498 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:37,233 they need footholds in parts of the region 499 00:24:37,367 --> 00:24:40,300 and parts of the world that they didn't have in the past. 500 00:24:40,433 --> 00:24:41,967 - The local police have informed us 501 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,900 that they're not even allowed on the property 502 00:24:44,033 --> 00:24:44,900 or even near it. 503 00:24:45,033 --> 00:24:46,533 The only involvement they had 504 00:24:46,667 --> 00:24:49,233 was initially when it was being built during construction. 505 00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:52,467 - [Narrator] US officials believe the 450 ton antenna 506 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,400 could be used to spy on other countries' 507 00:24:54,533 --> 00:24:56,200 satellite communications. 508 00:24:56,333 --> 00:24:57,800 But is it connected to the appearance 509 00:24:57,934 --> 00:25:00,633 of the spinning lights seen by locals? 510 00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:02,767 Could the lights be advanced surveillance craft 511 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,934 sent by the Americans to keep tabs on the Chinese 512 00:25:06,066 --> 00:25:07,133 or are the Chinese the ones 513 00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:08,967 watching the new lights in the sky? 514 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:12,800 - Why is there a Chinese grond station here? 515 00:25:12,934 --> 00:25:14,967 Why is everybody so secretive about it? 516 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,300 They have an overt mission 517 00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:18,400 then they have another mission apparently. 518 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,867 - [Narrator] For Elizondo, the mystery deepens 519 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,467 with reports of similar orbs see nearby in Buenos Aires 520 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,200 decades earlier. 521 00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:30,133 Today, he's on his way to investigate. 522 00:25:30,266 --> 00:25:32,033 - [Chris] What Lue's doing on these trips 523 00:25:32,166 --> 00:25:34,967 is consistent with what he did in the Defense Department. 524 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:40,500 Anything we can do to help establish the validity of this 525 00:25:40,633 --> 00:25:44,967 so that people have permission to engage on the topic, 526 00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,200 move forward to get scientific and national security answers 527 00:25:48,333 --> 00:25:50,200 contributes to that effort. 528 00:25:50,333 --> 00:25:53,200 - Elizondo is hoping to get answers from two pilots 529 00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:54,800 who had one of South America's 530 00:25:54,934 --> 00:25:57,200 most mysterious UFO sightings. 531 00:25:57,333 --> 00:26:00,433 I'm here to have a meeting with commander Hector Flores 532 00:26:00,567 --> 00:26:02,033 and his co pilot. 533 00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:04,333 He was a commander in the National Guard 534 00:26:04,467 --> 00:26:05,767 here in Argentina. 535 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:07,700 And apparently he and his co pilot 536 00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:09,433 were witness to a very interesting event 537 00:26:09,567 --> 00:26:13,867 which included potentially some of engagement with a UAP. 538 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,700 Well, hopefully we'll be able to see if there's any 539 00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:17,500 similarities to some of the other engagements 540 00:26:17,633 --> 00:26:19,333 we've already talked to other people about. 541 00:26:19,467 --> 00:26:20,500 (static crackling) 542 00:26:20,633 --> 00:26:21,600 - [Narrator] Coming up on Unidentified. 543 00:26:21,734 --> 00:26:24,033 - [Lue] Are 100% sure 544 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:27,100 that all of those you have 100% answer on. 545 00:26:27,233 --> 00:26:28,333 - Misperceptions 546 00:26:28,467 --> 00:26:31,033 is 99.9% of the cases. 547 00:26:31,166 --> 00:26:33,500 - You can close 100% of your investigations 548 00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:36,033 to 100% of your satisfaction, but what does that mean? 549 00:26:36,166 --> 00:26:37,934 I believe he's closed them all. 550 00:26:38,066 --> 00:26:39,700 I'm not sure he solved them all. 551 00:26:39,834 --> 00:26:44,800 (static rattling) 552 00:26:44,934 --> 00:26:47,934 (traffic rumbles) 553 00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:50,300 - [Narrator] Lue Elizando is in Argentina 554 00:26:50,433 --> 00:26:52,567 on a mission to investigate multiple sightings 555 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,266 of strange orbs across South America. 556 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:55,800 - [Lue] Señor. 557 00:26:55,934 --> 00:26:56,667 - Mucho gusto. 558 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,500 - Igual,igual. 559 00:26:58,633 --> 00:26:59,734 - Jorge, mucho gusto. 560 00:26:59,867 --> 00:27:01,333 - [Narrator] He's meeting with two pilots 561 00:27:01,467 --> 00:27:03,633 whose bizarre 1972 encounter 562 00:27:03,767 --> 00:27:05,800 had been kept secret for 40 years. 563 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:08,800 - [Lue] I'm here this afternoon to meet 564 00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:11,400 with Hector Flores and his copilot. 565 00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:16,133 They were serving under a dictatorship here in Argentina. 566 00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:19,300 These were tumultuous times for Latin America 567 00:27:19,433 --> 00:27:20,934 and Argentina in particular. 568 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,133 - [Narrator] A military junta had taken over 569 00:27:24,266 --> 00:27:25,633 and had its sight set on becoming 570 00:27:25,767 --> 00:27:27,166 the region's super power. 571 00:27:40,333 --> 00:27:42,467 - [Narrator] National guard pilot, Hector Flores 572 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,200 and Jorge Torrecilla were on a routine training flight 573 00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:46,467 with a student 574 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,433 when they witnessed something extraordinary. 575 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,200 - [Narrator] The pilots say a large red and blue orb 576 00:28:04,333 --> 00:28:06,300 suddenly appeared over their plane. 577 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:51,867 - They're describing characteristics 578 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,533 that we haven't yet seen, or at least didn't come 579 00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:58,100 through ATIP channels in North America. 580 00:28:58,233 --> 00:28:59,767 Particularly those that really tend 581 00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:01,934 to loiter for a long time. 582 00:29:03,967 --> 00:29:06,367 Who's to say that there's only five observables. 583 00:29:09,633 --> 00:29:12,834 - [Narrator] The two men created this drawing of the object, 584 00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:15,266 but when their report reached base officials, 585 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,266 they were ordered to keep silent 586 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,266 and the truth about what happened was buried. 587 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,767 - [Jorge] Gracias amigo. 588 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,266 - [Lue] we're headed to the Condor building, 589 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,200 the nerve center of the air force here for this country. 590 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,100 - [Narrator] Elizando has heard answers 591 00:29:32,233 --> 00:29:35,633 to what happened back in 1972 may be found here, 592 00:29:35,767 --> 00:29:38,266 in Argentina's official UFO program. 593 00:29:39,633 --> 00:29:42,400 Colonel Rubin Lianza heads the Air Force unit. 594 00:29:44,266 --> 00:29:46,467 - [Rubin] We are neither debunkers nor believers, 595 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,000 since we are not chasing the paranormal nor are we afraid 596 00:29:50,133 --> 00:29:52,600 of encountering something inexplicable. 597 00:29:54,066 --> 00:29:56,767 - [Narrator] He says the 1972 incident can be explained 598 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,100 by an event that happened the same night. 599 00:29:59,233 --> 00:30:01,500 (engines roar) 600 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,667 On November 2nd, Argentina's junta launched a rocket 601 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,333 into the upper atmosphere. 602 00:30:06,467 --> 00:30:08,934 It was part of a lead up to a secret missile program 603 00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:12,433 and the pilot's testimony was sealed in a classified report. 604 00:30:13,734 --> 00:30:16,433 - And this is the unclassified file. 605 00:30:16,567 --> 00:30:21,533 They said, "We saw the object, at heading azimuth 320." 606 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,767 That is exactly northwest. 607 00:30:24,967 --> 00:30:28,600 And up to 25 degrees above the horizon. 608 00:30:28,734 --> 00:30:31,667 It is plenty coincident with the only sector 609 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,500 of the sky where that cLued should be. 610 00:30:34,633 --> 00:30:36,967 - [Narrator] The launch left a cLued of barium gas 611 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:40,100 that created a strange purple haze in the sky. 612 00:30:40,233 --> 00:30:42,834 - You can see the deployment of the barium cLued here, 613 00:30:42,967 --> 00:30:46,800 falling down, as it ionizes the gas on top of it. 614 00:30:46,934 --> 00:30:50,934 Ionized gas is the red one, non-ionized gas is the blue one. 615 00:30:51,066 --> 00:30:55,266 And as it falls, there is a purple belt in the center. 616 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,000 - [Narrator] Like many UFO stories in South America, 617 00:30:59,133 --> 00:31:02,333 this case was wrapped up in military secrets. 618 00:31:02,467 --> 00:31:06,200 It often takes time, but Lianza says he's found explanations 619 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:08,734 for every case that's come across his desk. 620 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,066 - Right. 621 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,233 Are you hundred percent sure that all of those, 622 00:31:13,367 --> 00:31:15,500 you have a hundred percent answer on? 623 00:31:15,633 --> 00:31:20,066 - Misperceptions is 99.9% of the cases. 624 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,500 - [Narrator] Lianza's program may be similar 625 00:31:21,633 --> 00:31:23,533 to Elizando's Pentagon unit. 626 00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:26,500 - And is this an Argentine capability you have here? 627 00:31:26,633 --> 00:31:27,567 - [Narrator] But their conclusions 628 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,233 could not be more different. 629 00:31:29,367 --> 00:31:31,734 - We're constantly looking for new data, new data points. 630 00:31:31,867 --> 00:31:33,834 Is there a recommendation you would have? 631 00:31:33,967 --> 00:31:35,533 - I don't think with all due respect, 632 00:31:35,667 --> 00:31:38,567 you're going to find the Holy Grail of UFO evidence, 633 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,233 not even in an X-files that are in a drawer 634 00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:43,500 in the armed forces of South America. 635 00:31:43,633 --> 00:31:45,900 The fact that the case is not solved is not a guarantee 636 00:31:46,033 --> 00:31:49,333 of paranormal explanations for them. 637 00:31:49,467 --> 00:31:52,500 You know, all crafts have to dump the remaining fuel. 638 00:31:52,633 --> 00:31:53,567 - [Lue] Right, bleed it out. 639 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:54,900 - Bleed it out. 640 00:31:55,033 --> 00:31:57,400 Think the approach has to be changed 641 00:31:57,533 --> 00:32:01,867 and it has to be changed towards the scientific method. 642 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400 - [Lue] Your approach, it makes sense. 643 00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:07,400 It's logical, it's unbiased. 644 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,734 - [Rubin] If you ever talk to the independent witnesses, 645 00:32:09,867 --> 00:32:12,266 I will appreciate if you tell the same words to them, 646 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,367 because they think that I'm covering up things, covering up. 647 00:32:17,533 --> 00:32:18,633 - [Lue] You can close a hundred percent 648 00:32:18,767 --> 00:32:20,567 of your investigations to a hundred percent 649 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:22,266 of your satisfaction, but what does that mean? 650 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,133 I believe he's closed them all. 651 00:32:24,266 --> 00:32:25,734 I'm not sure he solved them all. 652 00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:26,567 Thank you again. 653 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:28,133 - [Rubin] Thank you. 654 00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:30,567 - [Narrator] Coming up on Unidentified. 655 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,800 Is there more to South America's UFO story 656 00:32:32,934 --> 00:32:34,066 than meets the eye? 657 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800 - [Mark] A number of the larger UFO groups 658 00:32:36,934 --> 00:32:40,400 were actually set up to provide sort of eyes on the sky 659 00:32:40,533 --> 00:32:42,934 for the American intelligence services. 660 00:32:43,066 --> 00:32:45,033 (dramatic music) 661 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,433 - [Narrator] Lue Elizando is in South America 662 00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:55,767 to investigate a rash of orb-shaped UFO sightings, 663 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:59,300 and learn what they can reveal about the UFO phenomenon. 664 00:32:59,433 --> 00:33:01,033 Elizando's just met with the head 665 00:33:01,166 --> 00:33:04,400 of Argentina's UFO investigation agency. 666 00:33:04,533 --> 00:33:06,900 The colonel claims that all of the countries thousands 667 00:33:07,033 --> 00:33:09,734 of sightings can be identified. 668 00:33:09,867 --> 00:33:12,667 - [Lue] Are you hundred percent sure that all 669 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,400 of those you have a hundred percent answer on? 670 00:33:15,533 --> 00:33:19,667 - Misperceptions, it's 99.9% of the cases. 671 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,066 - [Narrator] Elizando wants to know 672 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,867 what other governments here can reveal about UFOs. 673 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,333 He's in Uruguay at the General Artigas Air Force base, 674 00:33:28,467 --> 00:33:31,166 home to the longest-running official UFO program 675 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,667 in Latin America, dating to the 1970s. 676 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,500 - This is an effort that has been going on now 677 00:33:37,633 --> 00:33:39,333 for a better part of 40 years, 678 00:33:39,467 --> 00:33:41,633 and actually tends to be a gold standard. 679 00:33:43,367 --> 00:33:44,867 - [Narrator] Colonel Ariel Sanchez 680 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,667 and Captain Marcos Temesio run the program 681 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,066 and have agreed to share their secrets. 682 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,700 -[Lue] Buenos dia. 683 00:33:51,834 --> 00:33:53,600 Me llamo Luis Elizando. 684 00:33:53,734 --> 00:33:55,700 Gracias amigo. (gate squeaks) 685 00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:59,000 - Great to see you. - Hi, how are you? 686 00:33:59,133 --> 00:34:00,066 Great to see you too. 687 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,767 - Hey great, absolutely, 688 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,834 thank you very much for having us here. 689 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:24,800 - [Narrator] Elizando asks 690 00:34:24,934 --> 00:34:34,900 if there have been any orb sightings. 691 00:34:39,433 --> 00:34:41,133 - [Narrator] Colonel Sanchez briefs Elizando 692 00:34:41,266 --> 00:34:44,767 on a case from 2011, where a bright sphere was seen 693 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,967 over Montevideo and captured on video. 694 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,633 The object has never been identified. 695 00:34:50,767 --> 00:34:52,300 - During my time in the US government, 696 00:34:52,433 --> 00:34:54,734 I realized very quickly, it's imperative 697 00:34:54,867 --> 00:34:56,800 that you have partnerships and relationships 698 00:34:56,934 --> 00:34:58,066 with other countries. 699 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,900 The more people that we can talk to 700 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,867 and get more perspectives that we can gain, 701 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,633 the better off we're gonna be. 702 00:35:04,767 --> 00:35:06,033 - [Narrator] Following the presentation, 703 00:35:06,166 --> 00:35:08,333 Elizando sits down with Colonel Sanchez 704 00:35:08,467 --> 00:35:10,967 and Captain Temesio, who drop a bombshell 705 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,567 on why they believe the program was created. 706 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,467 - That for me was a drop-the-mic moment. 707 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,133 You mean to tell me that the longest-standing 708 00:35:54,266 --> 00:35:57,700 official UFO investigative agency 709 00:35:57,834 --> 00:36:01,033 in the Latin American hemisphere was allegedly created 710 00:36:01,166 --> 00:36:03,533 at the behest of the US government at the time. 711 00:36:04,867 --> 00:36:05,667 What? 712 00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:09,033 - [Narrator] Elizando sees a connection 713 00:36:09,166 --> 00:36:13,266 to America's legendary UFO program, Project Blue Book. 714 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,700 - So it's okay for you, US government, 715 00:36:14,834 --> 00:36:16,867 to go down to Latin America and say, 716 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,734 "We're gonna take our Project Blue Book 717 00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:22,367 and all the methodologies that we use, investigative, 718 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:23,367 we're gonna give you the handbook 719 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:24,900 and you're gonna use that, 720 00:36:25,033 --> 00:36:27,433 and you're gonna establish your own program?" 721 00:36:27,567 --> 00:36:29,934 - [Narrator] Project Blue Book was a series of UFO studies 722 00:36:30,066 --> 00:36:32,433 begun by the Air Force in 1952, 723 00:36:32,567 --> 00:36:35,266 in response to a rash of UFO sightings. 724 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,900 For the next 17 years, 725 00:36:37,033 --> 00:36:39,433 Blue Book studied over 12,000 sightings 726 00:36:39,567 --> 00:36:43,400 and found 701 cases that could not be explained. 727 00:36:43,533 --> 00:36:45,266 And the Air Force officially shut down 728 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,800 Project Blue Book in 1969. 729 00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:51,533 But has Elizando discovered the US continued 730 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,200 to secretly study UFOs with the help of other countries? 731 00:36:55,333 --> 00:36:56,433 - The fact that we asked Uruguay 732 00:36:56,567 --> 00:36:58,867 to establish a program is absolutely indicative 733 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,934 that we thought it was interesting as well on our end, 734 00:37:01,066 --> 00:37:02,433 that we should be looking at these things. 735 00:37:02,567 --> 00:37:03,934 You think we're gonna go ahead and tell a country 736 00:37:04,066 --> 00:37:06,133 to do something, but we're not going to look at it ourselves 737 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:07,333 or want their information? 738 00:37:07,467 --> 00:37:09,100 Come on, that's not the way it works. 739 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,600 - As part of the ongoing Cold War, 740 00:37:13,734 --> 00:37:16,333 South America just became an intense flashpoint. 741 00:37:16,467 --> 00:37:18,934 It was feared that the Soviet Bloc could 742 00:37:19,066 --> 00:37:23,166 then get a foothold on the American continent. 743 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:25,467 - [Narrator] Researchers like Mark Pilkington believe 744 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,266 the US may have quietly helped set up UFO programs 745 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,433 around the world, not as a way to look for aliens, 746 00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:33,433 but to monitor our enemies. 747 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,600 - It's long been suggested that a number 748 00:37:36,734 --> 00:37:40,166 of the larger UFO groups were actually set up 749 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,834 to provide, sort of, eyes on the sky, 750 00:37:42,967 --> 00:37:44,600 for the intelligence services. 751 00:37:44,734 --> 00:37:47,600 - [Christopher] Our government relies heavily on our allies 752 00:37:47,734 --> 00:37:50,266 for intelligence collection around the world. 753 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,333 So it doesn't surprise me to hear 754 00:37:52,467 --> 00:37:55,100 that they would be encouraging the Uruguayan government 755 00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:57,800 to collect more information and assuming 756 00:37:57,934 --> 00:37:59,600 that it would be shared with us. 757 00:37:59,734 --> 00:38:01,900 - [Narrator] Did the US take it even further, 758 00:38:02,033 --> 00:38:05,500 actively encouraging UFO sightings to distract attention 759 00:38:05,633 --> 00:38:07,734 from covert operations in the region? 760 00:38:07,867 --> 00:38:10,867 - Ideas of UFOs and extraterrestrial visitations 761 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,400 have been eagerly adopted over past decades 762 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,166 all over South America, and we might ask to what extent 763 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,667 those ideas were planted as part of disinformation 764 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,900 or clandestine intelligence operations. 765 00:38:25,033 --> 00:38:27,567 - [Narrator] But even if the US had covert motives, 766 00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,900 how can that explain the thousands of sightings 767 00:38:30,033 --> 00:38:32,500 across South America, going back decades? 768 00:38:33,867 --> 00:38:35,667 Coming up on "Unidentified." 769 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,166 - [Producer] Do you believe they're real? 770 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,000 - You know what, um... 771 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,767 (dramatic music) 772 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,533 ) 773 00:38:51,233 --> 00:38:54,300 - [Lue] I believe every time we engage a foreign partner 774 00:38:54,433 --> 00:38:58,300 on this topic it helps us in our ultimate endeavor 775 00:38:58,433 --> 00:39:01,300 for international cooperation on this. 776 00:39:01,433 --> 00:39:03,033 - [Narrator] Lue Elizando has traveled thousands 777 00:39:03,166 --> 00:39:05,800 of miles across an entire continent, 778 00:39:05,934 --> 00:39:07,467 trying to unravel the truth 779 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,333 about South America's thousands of UFO sightings. 780 00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:13,200 - [Lue] My motivation for going down to South America was, 781 00:39:13,333 --> 00:39:15,266 I wanted to know what they've learned. 782 00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:18,533 - [Narrator] He's spoken to several eye witnesses 783 00:39:18,667 --> 00:39:21,800 with incredible stories of orb-shaped UFO encounters. 784 00:39:27,133 --> 00:39:29,200 - [Narrator] Some suggest the sightings can be explained 785 00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:31,467 by US intelligence tracking the activities 786 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,367 of adversaries in the region. 787 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,800 - We shouldn't be at all surprised to find 788 00:39:35,934 --> 00:39:40,166 that those ideas were planted as part of disinformation. 789 00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,467 - [Narrator] Others by high tech explanations. 790 00:39:48,433 --> 00:39:49,834 - [Narrator] But other sightings are not 791 00:39:49,967 --> 00:39:51,200 so easily identified. 792 00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:52,200 - [Christopher] Anywhere in the world 793 00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:54,200 we investigate this phenomenon, 794 00:39:54,333 --> 00:39:57,533 we're gonna find most reports have 795 00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,300 some sort of conventional explanation. 796 00:40:00,433 --> 00:40:03,867 What's interesting are the reports that don't, 797 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,734 that we can't explain away. 798 00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:08,967 - [Narrator] Like the orb that pilot Oscar Santa Maria 799 00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:11,500 shot at over Peru in 1980. 800 00:40:11,633 --> 00:40:13,533 - No obvious signs of propulsion, 801 00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:15,333 no engine, no exhaust, 802 00:40:15,467 --> 00:40:17,200 no jet plume or anything else 803 00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:18,633 that you would normally associate 804 00:40:18,767 --> 00:40:20,300 with a traditional aircraft. 805 00:40:26,266 --> 00:40:27,967 - [Narrator] And what can account for the glowing orbs 806 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:30,533 that the Mapuche people of Patagonia have seen 807 00:40:30,667 --> 00:40:35,000 in the sky for centuries, and a recent wave of sightings. 808 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,500 - [Lue] Could they be some sort of Google balloon used 809 00:40:37,633 --> 00:40:41,400 to provide telecommunications to remote areas of Patagonia? 810 00:40:42,934 --> 00:40:44,133 But then again, you know, 811 00:40:44,266 --> 00:40:46,033 Google balloons don't make right angles 812 00:40:46,166 --> 00:40:49,233 and fly over the horizon in the blink of an eye. 813 00:40:50,633 --> 00:40:53,934 I'm just as perplexed now than I was before I went down. 814 00:40:55,667 --> 00:40:56,967 - [Narrator] Do these incidents show 815 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,166 that UFOs have an unusually strong interest 816 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:00,934 in South America? 817 00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:03,533 Or are the people of South America more willing 818 00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:05,033 to believe in them? 819 00:41:05,166 --> 00:41:06,700 - [Christopher] Throughout South America, 820 00:41:06,834 --> 00:41:09,700 the mainstream media provides greater coverage 821 00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:12,233 to incidents that occur in those nations. 822 00:41:12,367 --> 00:41:16,133 So this is more openly accepted and discussed. 823 00:41:18,567 --> 00:41:20,100 - [Narrator] For Elizando and his team, 824 00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:23,767 one sighting maybe an anomaly, two a coincidence, 825 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:26,600 but multiple sightings across several countries 826 00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:30,600 and hundreds of years is a pattern that can not be ignored. 827 00:41:30,734 --> 00:41:33,400 - [Christopher] There've been enough extraordinary sightings 828 00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:36,600 that were corroborated by many witnesses 829 00:41:36,734 --> 00:41:40,100 and fighter aircraft, that there is a category there, 830 00:41:40,233 --> 00:41:42,100 I would say, that seems to correspond 831 00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:46,033 to what our Navy has revealed and spoken about. 832 00:41:47,233 --> 00:41:49,300 - [Lue] This area may indeed be a hotspot. 833 00:41:51,166 --> 00:41:52,734 - [Christopher] There has been a lot of activity there, 834 00:41:52,867 --> 00:41:55,600 and it answers one of the big questions 835 00:41:55,734 --> 00:41:59,934 that people often have is, is this a US only phenomenon? 836 00:42:00,133 --> 00:42:02,200 The answer emphatically is no. 837 00:42:05,066 --> 00:42:06,767 - [Narrator] Elizando says he'll continue his search 838 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,967 for answers wherever it leads him. 839 00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,600 - A lot of what they're telling me does reaffirm 840 00:42:13,734 --> 00:42:15,600 information we've already had. 841 00:42:16,967 --> 00:42:18,600 So that for me is encouraging because it shows 842 00:42:18,734 --> 00:42:20,667 that we're on the right path. 843 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,967 I think you need to go into this neither as a believer 844 00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,500 or a disbeliever, just collecting the facts. 845 00:42:26,633 --> 00:42:28,000 And that's hard to do. 846 00:42:28,133 --> 00:42:29,767 That's really hard to do, especially when you come 847 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,000 from a background like I have 848 00:42:31,133 --> 00:42:33,400 where you've seen a lot of things. 849 00:42:34,467 --> 00:42:36,200 Yeah, it's really tough. 850 00:42:41,967 --> 00:42:46,467 - You know what, with all due respect, 851 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,100 I'm not gonna answer that question. 852 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:51,433 What impacted me the most about my trip 853 00:42:51,567 --> 00:42:53,834 to South America was the realization 854 00:42:53,967 --> 00:42:56,600 that they want to cooperate with the United States. 855 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,000 Because it is a global phenomenon, 856 00:42:59,133 --> 00:43:00,834 it requires a global discussion. 857 00:43:02,367 --> 00:43:04,834 Knowing more about the UAP phenomenon may solve some 858 00:43:04,967 --> 00:43:06,000 of the world's problems, 859 00:43:06,133 --> 00:43:07,400 but it also may create more problems. 860 00:43:07,533 --> 00:43:09,200 I think it's too early to tell. 861 00:43:09,333 --> 00:43:10,700 But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, 862 00:43:10,834 --> 00:43:13,600 'cause whatever the truth is, that's what we need to find. 863 00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:16,367 Leaving our heads buried in the sands 864 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:18,000 is just avoiding the inevitable. 67196

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