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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,266 --> 00:00:04,933 ANNOUNCER: This program is rated PG, and contains 2 00:00:04,933 --> 00:00:05,033 ANNOUNCER: This program is rated PG, and contains 3 00:00:05,166 --> 00:00:06,533 mature subject matter. 4 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:08,200 Viewer discretion is advised. 5 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:14,533 ) 6 00:00:18,133 --> 00:00:20,934 - [Narrator] Everything we know about UFOs is changing, 7 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:23,200 thanks to a team led 8 00:00:23,333 --> 00:00:26,500 by former Pentagon UFO Investigator Lue Elizondo. 9 00:00:26,633 --> 00:00:28,867 - That is real, whatever that is. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,033 - [Narrator] And former 11 00:00:30,166 --> 00:00:31,934 Top Intelligence Official Chris Mellon. 12 00:00:32,066 --> 00:00:34,033 - This is occurring, a continuing phenomenon. 13 00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:37,567 It's happening, it continues to happen. 14 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:39,867 (dramatic music) 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,433 - [Narrator] They discovered five unique characteristics 16 00:00:41,567 --> 00:00:45,000 that UFOs have in common they call the five observables, 17 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:48,467 and release ground-breaking videos. 18 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:52,533 - [Narrator] That forced the Navy to admit its pilots 19 00:00:52,667 --> 00:00:55,667 were coming face-to-face with unidentified objects. 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,767 - [Reporter] The US Navy made a shocking admission today. 21 00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:00,900 - [Journalist] Strange flying objects caught on tape 22 00:01:01,033 --> 00:01:03,667 by their own fighter pilots are, in fact, UFOs. 23 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:06,700 - Something needs to be done. 24 00:01:07,767 --> 00:01:09,667 - [Narrator] Now a new wave of military witnesses 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,567 is coming out of the shadows. 26 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:13,667 - [Justin] I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared ----less. 27 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,500 - [Man] I've never talked to anybody publicly 28 00:01:15,633 --> 00:01:16,834 about this story. 29 00:01:16,967 --> 00:01:19,100 - Certainly never on TV, that's for sure. 30 00:01:19,233 --> 00:01:21,266 - When you're told as a soldier not to talk about it, 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,433 you don't talk about it. 32 00:01:22,567 --> 00:01:23,834 - I've never seen anything move like that. 33 00:01:23,967 --> 00:01:26,367 Shape, size, speed is clearly unidentifiable. 34 00:01:27,567 --> 00:01:30,266 - [Narrator] The team is united on a new mission: 35 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,367 connect the dots to reveal the truth about UFOs. 36 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:36,934 - [Man] This thing had no capability 37 00:01:37,066 --> 00:01:38,433 like anything on Earth. 38 00:01:38,567 --> 00:01:39,667 - [Narrator] And warn the world 39 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,100 about the dangers they might represent. 40 00:01:42,233 --> 00:01:44,500 - [Chris] Carl Sagan once famously said, 41 00:01:44,633 --> 00:01:47,767 "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." 42 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:52,900 He was absolutely right, but now we have the proof. 43 00:01:53,633 --> 00:01:56,000 (suspenseful music) 44 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,000 - [Narrator] In 2004, Navy pilots on a training exercise 45 00:02:08,133 --> 00:02:11,000 for the USS Nimitz reported coming face-to-face 46 00:02:11,133 --> 00:02:13,066 with a bizarre, unidentified object. 47 00:02:14,133 --> 00:02:15,734 Each pilot reported the same thing: 48 00:02:15,867 --> 00:02:20,667 the UFO had a smooth, oblong shape resembling a Tic-Tac, 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,567 and maneuvered in ways impossible to known aircraft. 50 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:29,233 Video of the Nimitz incident shocked the world 51 00:02:29,367 --> 00:02:30,467 when it was released, 52 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,000 but Lue Elizondo and his team believed 53 00:02:33,133 --> 00:02:34,900 that sighting is not unprecedented. 54 00:02:36,367 --> 00:02:39,567 New testimonies suggest UFOs with similar characteristics 55 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:43,000 to Tic-Tacs have been seen in nearly every American war zone 56 00:02:43,133 --> 00:02:45,166 in the last 50 years. 57 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:47,233 - We have American troops coming forward 58 00:02:47,367 --> 00:02:50,233 and recording these things in combat theaters. 59 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:52,834 The question is, why? 60 00:02:52,967 --> 00:02:56,900 Is there an active interest in us conducting the warfare, 61 00:02:57,033 --> 00:02:59,667 or is there an interest in the tools we use 62 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,033 to make war? 63 00:03:01,166 --> 00:03:03,867 Conventional tools, nuclear tools. 64 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,166 What is the connection? 65 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:07,967 - [Narrator] To investigate how widespread 66 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,800 the sightings are, and what threat they might represent, 67 00:03:10,934 --> 00:03:13,700 Elizondo is meeting with US combat veterans, 68 00:03:13,834 --> 00:03:15,066 starting with one who served 69 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,033 on the front lines in Afghanistan. 70 00:03:18,767 --> 00:03:20,533 - [Lue] Tell me a little bit about the situation, 71 00:03:20,667 --> 00:03:22,633 what province were you in, and what was it like? 72 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:24,066 - Well, we were in Helmand province, 73 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,033 so we were in the hottest part of the country. 74 00:03:27,166 --> 00:03:29,133 The Taliban were getting really thick in that area. 75 00:03:29,266 --> 00:03:30,800 Suicide bombers were always trying 76 00:03:30,934 --> 00:03:32,567 to attack the main entry point, 77 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:35,900 whether they could drive up a fuel tanker on the south side, 78 00:03:36,033 --> 00:03:37,567 wherever they could try to get in, 79 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:38,900 they were trying to get in. 80 00:03:39,033 --> 00:03:40,200 - [Lue] So it was a tense time. 81 00:03:40,333 --> 00:03:41,734 - Very tense, yeah. 82 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:44,367 - [Narrator] In March 2009, President Obama had ordered 83 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,734 a massive increase in American troops to fight the Taliban. 84 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:48,133 - 18, four up. 85 00:03:48,266 --> 00:03:51,133 (gunshots firing) 86 00:03:54,767 --> 00:03:56,967 - Got about six of them moving back there. 87 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,567 - The troop surge was just starting up. 88 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,967 We were that line of defense between the Taliban 89 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:04,033 and the rest of our forces. 90 00:04:05,567 --> 00:04:07,367 (bomb explodes) 91 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:09,300 - [Narrator] On September 4, 2009, 92 00:04:09,433 --> 00:04:12,200 Justin Doerfler was assigned tower duty. 93 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:15,300 - You are the first, last, only defense 94 00:04:15,433 --> 00:04:18,867 for everybody in that forward operating base. 95 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,767 You're the eyes, you're the ears, and you're the weapon. 96 00:04:23,233 --> 00:04:26,266 - [Narrator] What he sees that night changes his life. 97 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,800 - We had done our periodic scans. 98 00:04:28,934 --> 00:04:30,467 All was quiet, 99 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,367 (aircraft whooshing) 100 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:35,200 and we hear what sounded like an aircraft. 101 00:04:35,333 --> 00:04:38,533 It was a clear night, the stars were just out everywhere, 102 00:04:38,667 --> 00:04:40,300 but we could not find this aircraft. 103 00:04:40,433 --> 00:04:41,533 We could hear it. 104 00:04:41,667 --> 00:04:43,467 It sounded like it was flying pretty high, 105 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,934 so I pull out the night vision, 106 00:04:47,266 --> 00:04:51,867 and it records both night vision and infrared. 107 00:04:52,266 --> 00:04:54,367 - [Narrator] Infrared cameras identify objects 108 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:57,033 using temperature differences rather than ambient light, 109 00:04:57,166 --> 00:05:01,033 allowing objects to be seen in complete darkness. 110 00:05:01,166 --> 00:05:04,266 - I look back up, I see this jet, 111 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,834 and it was very high up there, 112 00:05:05,967 --> 00:05:08,100 but I could definitely see the heat. 113 00:05:08,233 --> 00:05:10,700 It was probably around 500-600 miles an hour, maybe, 114 00:05:10,834 --> 00:05:11,934 but the weirdest thing, 115 00:05:12,066 --> 00:05:14,700 I thought at first it was a shooting star. 116 00:05:14,834 --> 00:05:17,533 This shooting star that cleared almost the entire sky came 117 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:20,433 to a dead stop, right at this jet. 118 00:05:20,567 --> 00:05:24,700 Went above it, to this side, below it, out front, 119 00:05:24,834 --> 00:05:27,533 and it just sat there, and the jet continued past it, 120 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:29,266 and this happened a couple of times, 121 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,667 and so at that point, I'm trying to wrap my head around, 122 00:05:34,233 --> 00:05:35,867 how is this possible? 123 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,533 - [Lue] Okay, so let's say here's the aircraft. 124 00:05:37,667 --> 00:05:38,867 - Yep, so there's the aircraft. 125 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,266 Let's say it's coming by, and out of nowhere, 126 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,500 this other thing just literally cleared the entire sky 127 00:05:44,633 --> 00:05:47,033 right up to it, went above, to the other side, 128 00:05:47,166 --> 00:05:49,433 down below, and then out front. 129 00:05:49,567 --> 00:05:54,600 Now it sat there as like you're doing, flew right by. 130 00:05:55,734 --> 00:05:57,100 It goes right again, right up to it. 131 00:05:57,233 --> 00:05:58,600 - Do you even think that the pilot was aware of it? 132 00:05:58,734 --> 00:06:01,233 Did you see the pilot take any type of evasive maneuvers? 133 00:06:01,367 --> 00:06:03,500 - The pilot stayed on a steady track. 134 00:06:03,633 --> 00:06:05,734 This happened for just a little bit longer, 135 00:06:05,867 --> 00:06:08,867 and then it just (imitates pop) up. 136 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,233 First thought in my head is: 137 00:06:13,367 --> 00:06:15,100 How can someone pilot something like that 138 00:06:15,233 --> 00:06:16,667 without killing yourself? 139 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,934 - At the end of the day, 140 00:06:18,066 --> 00:06:20,433 aircraft maneuver in a predictable way, 141 00:06:20,567 --> 00:06:22,333 because they are subject to the same laws 142 00:06:22,467 --> 00:06:24,767 of physics that everything else is, and yet, 143 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:27,000 when you come across an object that's moving in a way 144 00:06:27,133 --> 00:06:29,166 that it shouldn't be, an arrow being shot out 145 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,500 of a bow is gonna go straight. 146 00:06:31,633 --> 00:06:33,667 You don't expect it to do right angle turns, 147 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,600 and yet that's exactly what these things are doing. 148 00:06:36,734 --> 00:06:39,100 - [Narrator] The object Doerfler is describing matches two 149 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:43,333 of Elizondo's five observables: instantaneous acceleration, 150 00:06:43,467 --> 00:06:45,266 where the ability to go from a complete stop 151 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,767 to an incredibly high rate of speed, 152 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:52,066 and hypersonic velocity, speeds over 3700 miles per hour, 153 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:56,000 capabilities Elizondo says he's cataloged 154 00:06:56,133 --> 00:07:00,233 in numerous sightings, including the 2004 Nimitz incident. 155 00:07:00,367 --> 00:07:02,734 - I'm kind of pulling nose to where he's gonna be, 156 00:07:02,867 --> 00:07:04,066 and he's coming up. 157 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,667 He just rapidly accelerates beyond anything 158 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,567 that I've ever seen. 159 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:09,133 Crosses my nose, and it's gone, 160 00:07:10,633 --> 00:07:12,333 and I'm like, whoa. 161 00:07:12,467 --> 00:07:16,500 - It was so unnerving, because it was so unpredictable. 162 00:07:16,633 --> 00:07:19,667 High-G, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration, 163 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,834 so you were wondering: 164 00:07:21,967 --> 00:07:25,667 How can I possibly fight this? 165 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,066 - Instant acceleration, very, very fast velocities, 166 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,800 looks an awful lot like a flying white Tic-Tac. 167 00:07:31,934 --> 00:07:33,567 Are we talking about the same thing here? 168 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:35,100 Sounds pretty similar to me. 169 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,233 (jets whooshing) 170 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:40,166 - [Narrator] While the Nimitz Tic-Tac encounter happened 171 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:43,467 during a training exercise, Doerfler's sighting occurred 172 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,834 in an active war zone. 173 00:07:44,967 --> 00:07:47,066 To Elizondo's team member Chris Mellon, 174 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,900 that raises troubling questions. 175 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:50,967 - The issue of the source, the origin, 176 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:53,900 the intent of these vehicles, or these craft, 177 00:07:54,033 --> 00:07:58,500 is extremely pressing because we don't think they're ours, 178 00:07:58,633 --> 00:08:01,033 and therefore, that raises a host 179 00:08:01,166 --> 00:08:03,800 of rather alarming, concerning questions. 180 00:08:03,934 --> 00:08:06,300 Have we been technologically leapfrogged? 181 00:08:06,433 --> 00:08:07,967 Could it be the Russians, or Chinese, 182 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:09,967 or someone else? 183 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:11,233 - [Narrator] Whatever he saw, 184 00:08:11,367 --> 00:08:13,867 Doerfler chose not to file an official report. 185 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,367 - I'm like, how do you write this? 186 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:17,300 What do you say? 187 00:08:17,433 --> 00:08:18,567 Are you gonna get locked up? 188 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:20,400 Are you gonna be made fun of by your peers 189 00:08:20,533 --> 00:08:22,367 for the duration of deployment? 190 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:23,867 - [Narrator] But for Chris Mellon, 191 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,867 the sighting represents a clear threat. 192 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,734 - [Chris] These aircraft, these vehicles 193 00:08:27,867 --> 00:08:30,900 are demonstrating capabilities we do not possess. 194 00:08:31,033 --> 00:08:35,133 It's difficult to imagine a more urgent requirement 195 00:08:35,266 --> 00:08:38,467 than to find out who is operating these vehicles, 196 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,066 why they're here, what their intentions are. 197 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,967 - [Narrator] Coming up on Unidentified: 198 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,233 Can the Afghanistan incident be explained? 199 00:08:46,367 --> 00:08:47,734 - There was a lot of new stuff 200 00:08:47,867 --> 00:08:51,033 that was being tried just to see how they worked. 201 00:08:51,166 --> 00:08:54,133 That could give you some strange visual effects 202 00:08:54,266 --> 00:08:55,567 from guys on the ground, 203 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:59,233 because a lot of maneuvers can trick you. 204 00:08:59,367 --> 00:09:01,700 - [Narrator] But could this technology explain similar UFOs 205 00:09:01,834 --> 00:09:03,467 seen decades earlier? 206 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,033 - I flew about 100 combat missions in Vietnam. 207 00:09:07,166 --> 00:09:10,300 This thing just wafted over the wing within inches. 208 00:09:10,433 --> 00:09:13,367 No windows, no wings, no protuberances, nothing. 209 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:15,867 - [James] I flew hundreds of missions in South Vietnam. 210 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,266 All of a sudden, I saw a white light, 211 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,033 and it just kept getting bigger 212 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:21,633 as it was getting closer to us. 213 00:09:21,767 --> 00:09:25,533 I believe that the government has been withholding evidence. 214 00:09:25,667 --> 00:09:27,600 (jet whooshes) 215 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,133 - I think the time has come that we open our eyes, 216 00:09:29,266 --> 00:09:31,300 and we finally address what the hell's going on. 217 00:09:31,433 --> 00:09:33,233 (intense music) 218 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:38,900 (spe) 219 00:09:40,934 --> 00:09:43,700 - This is the actual journal that I had in Afghanistan. 220 00:09:45,333 --> 00:09:48,033 I would do my daily entries and logs in this. 221 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:52,600 - [Narrator] Army Specialist Justin Doerfler has agreed 222 00:09:52,734 --> 00:09:55,800 to divulge his account of a Tic-Tac-like UFO he says 223 00:09:55,934 --> 00:09:58,300 he witnessed while serving in Afghanistan. 224 00:09:58,433 --> 00:10:00,967 - The moment of log entry was 11:56 in the morning. 225 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:04,100 I'd started it off with, "Last night was fun. 226 00:10:04,233 --> 00:10:07,200 "Something weird that will confuse me for life." 227 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:08,867 - [Narrator] It's the first time he's publicly shared 228 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,867 this diary entry. 229 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,633 - Friday, September 4, 2009. 230 00:10:13,767 --> 00:10:15,266 "On my thermal scan, I could see the heat 231 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,533 "from a plane flying overhead in blackout mode. 232 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:19,600 "If it wasn't for the thermal imaging, 233 00:10:19,734 --> 00:10:23,367 "no one would see it, not even night vision." 234 00:10:25,767 --> 00:10:27,700 Ugh, this is gonna be weird. 235 00:10:27,834 --> 00:10:30,967 "Okay, I don't believe in UFOs or anything, 236 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:33,266 "but something flew off the plane faster than a missile, 237 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,967 "then stopped, looped over it so fast, 238 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:38,767 "then stopped, went around it, then took off so fast. 239 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:41,033 "It had mach speeds and a zig-zag pattern, 240 00:10:41,166 --> 00:10:43,266 "then up and down and stopped again." 241 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,300 - Doerfler was so moved by what he saw. 242 00:10:47,433 --> 00:10:50,600 He actually wrote in his diary about the event, 243 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:55,700 and then had the Judge Advocate General notarize his diary, 244 00:10:57,667 --> 00:11:01,500 so nobody could accuse him of forging these notes 245 00:11:01,633 --> 00:11:02,667 after the fact. 246 00:11:03,834 --> 00:11:05,367 - At the end of that whole sentence, 247 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:07,700 I ended up putting, "I'll forever wonder," 248 00:11:07,834 --> 00:11:12,767 and I tried to, I basically suppressed that didn't happen. 249 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:14,266 It just can't happen. 250 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,667 That's not possible. 251 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,033 When you see something that defies science, 252 00:11:21,166 --> 00:11:23,266 and I am a person of faith, 253 00:11:25,233 --> 00:11:27,333 but I would be lying if I said that wasn't a faith shaker 254 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:28,300 at the time. 255 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,533 - [Narrator] Some believe Tic-Tac-like objects 256 00:11:32,667 --> 00:11:34,867 are extraterrestrial, but could there be 257 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,333 an earthly explanation? 258 00:11:38,066 --> 00:11:39,767 Former Air Force test craft engineer 259 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:43,433 and Aviation Week editor Bill Scott suggests the objects 260 00:11:43,567 --> 00:11:45,533 could be secret US technology. 261 00:11:45,667 --> 00:11:47,934 - We learned clear back in Kosovo days 262 00:11:48,066 --> 00:11:51,200 that you couldn't rely on just stealth alone, 263 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:53,533 but what if it also had some kind 264 00:11:53,667 --> 00:11:55,700 of a protection mechanism? 265 00:11:55,834 --> 00:11:58,000 So we had decoys. 266 00:11:58,133 --> 00:12:01,600 By the time the air campaign started in Afghanistan, 267 00:12:01,734 --> 00:12:04,633 there was a lot of new stuff that was being tried 268 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:06,834 just to see how they work. 269 00:12:06,967 --> 00:12:09,266 - [Narrator] Scott is describing small jet-powered decoys 270 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,667 launched to fly alongside a plane, 271 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,000 their heat signature used to confuse enemy missiles. 272 00:12:15,133 --> 00:12:16,767 - They started calling them Angels. 273 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:19,166 They could fly around these vehicles 274 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,233 in highly maneuverable ways. 275 00:12:22,367 --> 00:12:25,767 That could give you some strange visual effects 276 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:27,166 from guys on the ground, 277 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:31,233 because a lot of maneuvers can trick you. 278 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:34,667 - [Narrator] While a missile decoy might explain 279 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,400 what Justin Doerfler witnessed in 2009, 280 00:12:37,533 --> 00:12:39,066 can it account for a similar object 281 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,767 seen nearly 30 years earlier? 282 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:44,166 To investigate, Elizondo is meeting with a veteran 283 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:46,066 who claims to have seen a UFO 284 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,767 with Tic-Tac-like characteristics 285 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,166 during the Vietnam War. 286 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:51,266 - [Lue] Mr. Boshears. 287 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,166 - [James] Hey. 288 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:53,667 - [Lue] How are you, sir? 289 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Thank you very much for your time and being here. 290 00:12:56,533 --> 00:12:59,934 - My name is James Ray Boshears. 291 00:13:00,133 --> 00:13:05,100 I was in the US Air Force from 1968 to 1973. 292 00:13:06,533 --> 00:13:09,633 I've never shared this story with anyone except my wife 293 00:13:09,767 --> 00:13:12,333 and close friends that we've made. 294 00:13:12,467 --> 00:13:14,400 - This is an Air Force guy who decides 295 00:13:14,533 --> 00:13:16,900 to fly the biggest aircraft that we have, 296 00:13:17,033 --> 00:13:20,233 which is the B-52 Stratofortress bomber. 297 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:21,900 (plane whistling) 298 00:13:22,033 --> 00:13:23,400 - [Narrator] The B-52 Stratofortress 299 00:13:23,533 --> 00:13:26,333 is a long-range heavy bomber that was the backbone 300 00:13:26,467 --> 00:13:28,800 of the US Aerial Campaign in Vietnam. 301 00:13:29,967 --> 00:13:32,300 - I flew missions in South Vietnam, Laos, 302 00:13:32,433 --> 00:13:35,066 Cambodia, and North Vietnam. 303 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,667 I flew hundreds of missions. 304 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,633 Southeast Asia, I know exactly it was 101 missions, 305 00:13:40,767 --> 00:13:44,433 because you have to do 100 to get that patch. 306 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,734 Missions were going off around the clock. 307 00:13:47,867 --> 00:13:50,567 The enemy was trying to take over areas, 308 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:53,066 and the B-52 turned out to be one 309 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,567 of the most advantageous bombers. 310 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,667 - Their job is to fly a really long distance, 311 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,233 drop bombs, and come back. 312 00:14:01,367 --> 00:14:03,400 It was 12 hours of complete boredom 313 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:06,133 with about 30 minutes of sheer terror. 314 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,467 (bombs exploding) 315 00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:13,367 - [Narrator] June 1970. 316 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:15,900 James Boshears and his crew are on their way back to Guam 317 00:14:16,033 --> 00:14:17,400 after a bombing run, 318 00:14:17,533 --> 00:14:20,300 when they notice an unidentified object heading their way. 319 00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:23,133 - I was in command of the aircraft. 320 00:14:23,266 --> 00:14:24,867 I was the co-pilot at that time, 321 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,700 and the navigator came on the intercom to me 322 00:14:28,834 --> 00:14:31,367 and said, "Co-pilot, do you see a bogey 323 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:34,734 "at about 12 o'clock and high above us?" 324 00:14:34,867 --> 00:14:36,233 And I looked out the window, 325 00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:38,967 and I couldn't see anything right off the bat, 326 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:40,233 and then he said, 327 00:14:40,367 --> 00:14:42,367 "Well, it's about 20 miles or so from us, 328 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:44,200 "and it's coming towards us." 329 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,400 All of a sudden, I saw a white light, and it was up high, 330 00:14:50,533 --> 00:14:53,133 and it just kept getting bigger as it was getting closer 331 00:14:53,266 --> 00:14:55,033 to us, but it never fluctuated. 332 00:14:55,166 --> 00:14:55,967 It didn't flash. 333 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:58,066 I said, "Wake up the radar." 334 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,467 He came on the intercom and said, 335 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,033 "Yeah, I've got a bogey for you at 12 o'clock, 336 00:15:02,166 --> 00:15:03,934 "and it's really high." 337 00:15:04,066 --> 00:15:06,533 None of us had ever heard of one of our aircraft being able 338 00:15:06,667 --> 00:15:09,033 to go up higher than 70,000 feet. 339 00:15:09,166 --> 00:15:12,367 This was already above 60,000 feet. 340 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,633 - [Narrator] Thousands of feet up in his B-52, 341 00:15:15,767 --> 00:15:18,367 James Boshears realizes the rest of his crew 342 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,734 is also in awe of the object. 343 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,533 - And then the radar navigator comes back and says, 344 00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:25,800 "Holy smoke! 345 00:15:25,934 --> 00:15:28,800 "This bogey just made a sharp left turn." 346 00:15:28,934 --> 00:15:31,433 I mean, at 5000-plus knots, 347 00:15:31,567 --> 00:15:34,033 it made almost a 90-degree turn instantly. 348 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:36,967 And we're going, "Nobody can do that," 349 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:40,033 and he said, "It's coming straight for us." 350 00:15:40,166 --> 00:15:41,533 - [Narrator] The bright light he says he witnessed 351 00:15:41,667 --> 00:15:43,433 is similar to the nighttime reports 352 00:15:43,567 --> 00:15:45,867 of glowing white Tic-Tac-like objects 353 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,467 during the 2004 USS Nimitz event, and like those UFOs, 354 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,200 it displayed two of Elizondo's five observables: 355 00:15:53,333 --> 00:15:56,867 Instantaneous acceleration and hypersonic velocity. 356 00:15:58,066 --> 00:15:59,600 - A radar navigator comes back and says, 357 00:15:59,734 --> 00:16:02,000 "Pilot, he's exceeded 6000 knots, 358 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,767 "and now he's made another sharp turn to the north 359 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:11,200 "at 6000 knots," so the radar navigator said, 360 00:16:11,333 --> 00:16:13,200 "I'm turning on the camera." 361 00:16:13,333 --> 00:16:15,100 He had a camera that could snap pictures 362 00:16:15,233 --> 00:16:16,700 of the radar screen, 363 00:16:16,834 --> 00:16:18,600 so we had proof that this thing was flying 364 00:16:18,734 --> 00:16:20,533 at the speed that it was flying. 365 00:16:20,667 --> 00:16:22,934 And he finally said, "It's increasing altitude 366 00:16:23,066 --> 00:16:26,000 "and it's over 6000 knots, climbing." 367 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:28,867 No transponder signals, no squawking, no radio, 368 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,767 and then the light just disappeared. 369 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,834 He said he lost him on radar 370 00:16:32,967 --> 00:16:35,600 when the object reached about 100,000 feet. 371 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:39,033 The command pilot told the crew, he says, 372 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:42,333 "Hey, guys, well now you've seen a UFO." 373 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,000 - [Narrator] Boshears reported the incident 374 00:16:45,133 --> 00:16:47,000 to Air Force Intelligence Officers. 375 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,033 What happens next would only deepen the mystery. 376 00:16:52,166 --> 00:16:54,100 Coming up on Unidentified: 377 00:16:54,233 --> 00:16:55,367 - So the next morning, 378 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:57,200 our radar went back to get the pictures, 379 00:16:57,333 --> 00:16:58,433 and when he got there, they said, 380 00:16:58,567 --> 00:17:00,934 "Oh, you can't have any pictures. 381 00:17:01,066 --> 00:17:03,333 "They've reclassified them as top secret." 382 00:17:03,467 --> 00:17:06,600 - This thing just wafted over the wing within inches. 383 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:09,767 No windows, no wings, no protuberances, nothing. 384 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:11,900 (intense music) 385 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:16,100 ) 386 00:17:16,233 --> 00:17:19,433 - So the radar navigator said, "I'm turning on the camera." 387 00:17:19,567 --> 00:17:21,767 He had a camera that could d ap pictures 388 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:23,367 of the radar screen. 389 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:25,700 - [Narrator] B-52 pilot James Boshears spotted 390 00:17:25,834 --> 00:17:28,200 a Tic-Tac-like UFO after a bombing run 391 00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:30,767 during the height of the Vietnam War. 392 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:33,266 He says his navigator was able to capture photographs 393 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,433 of its flight path on his radar screen, 394 00:17:36,667 --> 00:17:38,000 but in their routine briefing 395 00:17:38,133 --> 00:17:40,533 with Air Force Intelligence Officers the next day, 396 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:42,100 something strange happened. 397 00:17:42,233 --> 00:17:43,367 - We told them all about it, 398 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:45,367 and we wanted to know if we could get some copies 399 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,100 of the pictures, and they said, 400 00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:48,266 "Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem. 401 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,834 "There's nothing out there." 402 00:17:51,667 --> 00:17:54,934 The next morning, our radar went back to get the pictures, 403 00:17:55,066 --> 00:17:56,166 and when he got there, they said, 404 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:57,867 "Oh, you can't have any pictures. 405 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,500 "They've reclassified them as top secret." 406 00:18:02,233 --> 00:18:05,433 - So I'm in the process of gathering some information 407 00:18:05,567 --> 00:18:07,433 in order that I can initiate 408 00:18:07,567 --> 00:18:10,667 a Freedom of Information Act request to the US government. 409 00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:12,667 - [Narrator] Believing these photos 410 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,000 could provide important evidence, 411 00:18:14,133 --> 00:18:15,667 Elizondo and his team filed 412 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,667 a Freedom of Information Act request, 413 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,734 but there's been no response so far. 414 00:18:21,066 --> 00:18:22,166 - Most of the time, 415 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,433 things remain classified for up to 25 years. 416 00:18:24,567 --> 00:18:25,934 I can't imagine why a photograph 417 00:18:26,066 --> 00:18:29,834 of a radar scope taken back in the 1960s would still, 418 00:18:29,967 --> 00:18:32,867 after 50 years, remain classified. 419 00:18:34,066 --> 00:18:35,066 - [Narrator] Will the missing photos reveal 420 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,066 the earliest known Tic-Tac? 421 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,667 Some theorize these advanced craft 422 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,333 are merely secret technology deployed 423 00:18:41,467 --> 00:18:43,166 by the US or an adversary, 424 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:45,767 but could that explain the incredible speed 425 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:48,567 and maneuverability Boshears says his crew witnessed? 426 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,333 - When they encountered this object somewhere 427 00:18:52,467 --> 00:18:54,667 over the Pacific Ocean in 1970, 428 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,433 there was really only two man-made objects 429 00:18:56,567 --> 00:18:58,333 that could even fly at hypersonic velocities, 430 00:18:58,467 --> 00:18:59,767 and those were the man-made rockets 431 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:02,066 that were putting people in orbit, 432 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,900 and that was the X-15 experimental aircraft 433 00:19:05,033 --> 00:19:06,200 rocket plane, 434 00:19:06,333 --> 00:19:08,500 keeping in mind, a rocket goes up into space. 435 00:19:08,633 --> 00:19:12,133 It doesn't follow you if you're in a B-52, 436 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:15,667 and the X-15 was a very specific purpose-built vehicle 437 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,734 that was never flying over the Pacific Ocean. 438 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:22,567 - [Narrator] Chris Mellon believes the objects 439 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:25,266 could be spying on US military technology. 440 00:19:26,467 --> 00:19:28,066 - Bear in mind that those B-52s 441 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,567 that we employed during the Vietnam War 442 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:32,400 to deliver conventional ordnance, 443 00:19:32,533 --> 00:19:34,567 their primary function was this part 444 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:37,500 of the Strategic Air Command's nuclear deterrent. 445 00:19:37,633 --> 00:19:39,500 The potential adversary would be very interested 446 00:19:39,633 --> 00:19:41,734 in their capabilities, 447 00:19:41,867 --> 00:19:44,834 not surprising that the Russians or Chinese 448 00:19:44,967 --> 00:19:46,734 would be interested in collecting on them, 449 00:19:46,867 --> 00:19:51,000 but it's hard to relate that particular set 450 00:19:51,133 --> 00:19:53,967 of observations with any known capability 451 00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:56,433 that either we or they possess. 452 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:00,066 - [Narrator] On the trail of Tic-Tacs, 453 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,967 Elizondo is meeting with another Vietnam veteran. 454 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:05,400 His testimony may provide more insight 455 00:20:05,533 --> 00:20:08,400 into UFOs reported during that war. 456 00:20:08,533 --> 00:20:09,567 - We're heading down to see 457 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:10,834 Lieutenant Commander Brian Westin, 458 00:20:10,967 --> 00:20:13,166 and meet with him in his home. 459 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:14,834 When one of these individuals are sharing 460 00:20:14,967 --> 00:20:17,166 with you an experience they had in Vietnam, 461 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:18,667 that carries a lot of weight. 462 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,800 I think we need to listen to what they have to say. 463 00:20:24,533 --> 00:20:25,500 Hello, good sir! 464 00:20:25,633 --> 00:20:26,900 - Hey, hey, how you doing? 465 00:20:27,033 --> 00:20:28,066 Take some oranges 466 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,000 if you want 'em. - I was just gonna say 467 00:20:29,133 --> 00:20:30,233 I may take an orange or two. 468 00:20:30,367 --> 00:20:31,734 - [Brian] There you go, no problem. 469 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:35,166 - [Lue] First of all, I want to thank you for your service. 470 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:37,000 - [Narrator] Lieutenant Commander Brian Westin 471 00:20:37,133 --> 00:20:38,734 is a highly decorated Navy pilot 472 00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:41,500 who flew dangerous, low-altitude bombing runs 473 00:20:41,633 --> 00:20:42,967 over North Vietnam. 474 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:45,567 (jet whooshes) 475 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:48,633 Westin's A-6 Intruder was one of the most advanced aircraft 476 00:20:48,767 --> 00:20:52,333 of its time, able to rain down 18,000 pounds 477 00:20:52,467 --> 00:20:55,567 of munitions onto the enemy under any weather condition. 478 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:58,467 (bombs exploding) 479 00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,567 The unusual high-performance aircraft 480 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:04,467 could have caught the attention of foreign powers, 481 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,967 Russian, Chinese, or something else. 482 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:12,133 - You were awarded one of the highest honors 483 00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:13,834 that the Navy has. 484 00:21:15,333 --> 00:21:17,233 - [Narrator] In the spring of 1966, 485 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:19,133 the pilot of Westin's plane was wounded 486 00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:20,967 by North Vietnamese ground fire, 487 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:23,667 and their aircraft crashed into the Gulf of Tonkin. 488 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,567 For rescuing the wounded pilot from shark-infested waters, 489 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:32,300 Westin was awarded the prestigious Navy Cross Medal, 490 00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:33,800 but while the harrowing experience 491 00:21:33,934 --> 00:21:35,300 nearly cost him his life, 492 00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:37,467 it's an incident that took place three weeks earlier 493 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,800 that has haunted him for decades. 494 00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,567 - Can you describe the events leading up to, 495 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:46,633 with your pilot/co-pilot, what you saw that day? 496 00:21:46,767 --> 00:21:48,200 - That day was a mini-strike, 497 00:21:48,333 --> 00:21:51,233 which was kind of in between alpha strikes, 498 00:21:51,367 --> 00:21:53,967 where you're really intense and losing people. 499 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:57,300 We were going with two A-4 Charlies, 500 00:21:57,433 --> 00:21:58,867 and they're very slow, 501 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,200 and so we're just trucking over to go to Ho Chi Minh Trail. 502 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:04,967 - [Narrator] April 6, 1966. 503 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,633 Westin's A-6 intruder is accompanying 504 00:22:07,767 --> 00:22:11,700 the slower A-4 Skyhawks on a quick hit-and-run bombing raid, 505 00:22:11,834 --> 00:22:13,934 when suddenly, he notices something strange 506 00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:15,500 off his right wing. 507 00:22:15,633 --> 00:22:18,467 - This thing just wafted over the wing or right next to it. 508 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,000 I mean, it was within inches. 509 00:22:20,133 --> 00:22:23,200 It was that close, and I was gonna say, "Did you see that?" 510 00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:25,467 I didn't even get the duh out. 511 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,133 What the F was that? 512 00:22:27,266 --> 00:22:28,367 - [Lue] Right. 513 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:29,800 - And he banks the airplane to the right, 514 00:22:29,934 --> 00:22:32,533 and we look for the damn thing. 515 00:22:32,667 --> 00:22:33,600 Nothing. 516 00:22:33,734 --> 00:22:35,033 I mean, couldn't see the object, 517 00:22:35,166 --> 00:22:36,967 couldn't see a contrail, couldn't see a puff of smoke, 518 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,266 couldn't see nothing. 519 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,266 - So what I'm gonna ask you to do if it's okay, 520 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,467 can you draw for me, 'cause-- 521 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,800 - [Brian] I'm not a very good drawer. 522 00:22:42,934 --> 00:22:44,367 - That's okay. 523 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:45,266 Oh, you got it. 524 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,600 - Yeah. - Okay, great. 525 00:22:46,734 --> 00:22:49,934 - Kind of a ratio of about like that, 526 00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:51,800 just the size of a water heater. 527 00:22:51,934 --> 00:22:55,300 Just as if you took a humongous blob of mercury 528 00:22:55,433 --> 00:22:58,467 and puffed it up into that perfect shape, 529 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,000 shimmering, perfect chromium, polysilver. 530 00:23:03,133 --> 00:23:07,533 No windows, no wings, no protuberances, no nothing. 531 00:23:07,667 --> 00:23:08,500 - If somebody said, 532 00:23:08,633 --> 00:23:10,033 "Well, it could be a Tic-Tac," 533 00:23:10,166 --> 00:23:11,667 I suppose it could have been 534 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,667 on the edge of a Tic-Tac type thing. 535 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,867 - [Narrator] The UFO Westin says he saw demonstrated another 536 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,767 of Elizondo's five observables: anti-gravity. 537 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,433 That's the ability to move without any obvious signs 538 00:23:24,567 --> 00:23:26,600 of propulsion, and it's a trait recorded 539 00:23:26,734 --> 00:23:29,667 in multiple sightings of Tic-Tacs. 540 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,433 - I mean, it's not flying, that we know flying. 541 00:23:32,567 --> 00:23:36,667 To me, it had to be, if it is there, sitting there, 542 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,934 it doesn't just sit there. 543 00:23:38,066 --> 00:23:39,600 There has to be some way of controlling, 544 00:23:39,734 --> 00:23:41,500 like magnetically or something. 545 00:23:41,633 --> 00:23:42,700 - Yeah, some sort of 546 00:23:42,834 --> 00:23:44,367 advanced physics. - Some physics. 547 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:46,667 - [Narrator] Did Westin witness a UFO similar 548 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,367 to what later pilots compared to a Tic-Tac, 549 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,000 or can the strange metallic object be explained 550 00:23:52,133 --> 00:23:54,100 by military technology of the time? 551 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:55,533 - I'd like to know what the heck it was. 552 00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:56,433 - [Lue] Yeah. 553 00:23:56,567 --> 00:23:57,934 - And if it wasn't ours, 554 00:23:58,066 --> 00:24:00,433 and it wasn't the Russians or Chinese or North Koreans, 555 00:24:00,567 --> 00:24:01,934 I'm convinced that there's stuff out there 556 00:24:02,066 --> 00:24:03,934 that people don't want to come to grips with. 557 00:24:04,066 --> 00:24:06,266 - You could throw out some possibilities. 558 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,767 Very unlikely that it could be a gravity-dropped bomb, 559 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,100 because they tend to go down very quickly. 560 00:24:13,233 --> 00:24:16,000 Pretty unlikely that it would be a surface-to-air missile, 561 00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:19,767 because pilots describe those as flying telephone poles. 562 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:23,100 Fuel tanks would tend to drop away very quickly, 563 00:24:23,233 --> 00:24:25,667 and that pretty much leaves it in the category 564 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,333 of we don't know. 565 00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:32,266 - If this is indeed one of our terrestrial adversaries, 566 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,100 there's great cause for concern 567 00:24:34,233 --> 00:24:37,100 that we may have been technologically leapfrogged. 568 00:24:37,233 --> 00:24:38,834 They're also demonstrating an interest 569 00:24:38,967 --> 00:24:40,400 in our technology. 570 00:24:40,533 --> 00:24:42,734 They seem to be very uncannily interested 571 00:24:42,867 --> 00:24:45,233 in our military capabilities, 572 00:24:45,367 --> 00:24:48,233 so we have every reason to be concerned about that. 573 00:24:49,467 --> 00:24:51,066 - [Narrator] Coming up on Unidentified. 574 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,900 - It's just a bright white orb. 575 00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:55,433 It was very bouncy, almost like a super ball. 576 00:24:55,567 --> 00:24:58,100 It did a rapid climb, and just in the blink of an eye, 577 00:24:58,233 --> 00:24:59,834 went straight up and just 578 00:24:59,967 --> 00:25:01,900 (imitates whooshing) shot right up in the sky. 579 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,233 It would be a significant national security issue. 580 00:25:05,367 --> 00:25:07,500 If we just kind of bury our head in the sand 581 00:25:07,633 --> 00:25:09,600 and look away, we're screwed. 582 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:12,166 (suspensful music) 583 00:25:15,633 --> 00:25:17,734 - [Lue] We're putting together the mosaic 584 00:25:17,867 --> 00:25:19,834 with disparate pieces of data. 585 00:25:19,967 --> 00:25:22,233 It's a bit like puttttin together a jigsaw puzzle. 586 00:25:22,367 --> 00:25:24,333 At first, you have all these little pieces on the table, 587 00:25:24,467 --> 00:25:26,567 but little by little, the more pieces you have, 588 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:29,734 the more the picture becomes in focus. 589 00:25:29,867 --> 00:25:31,500 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo has just interviewed 590 00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:34,333 a second Vietnam veteran about a strange object 591 00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:36,834 he saw in an active war zone, 592 00:25:36,967 --> 00:25:38,834 but he needs to gather more data. 593 00:25:38,967 --> 00:25:41,400 - If we can establish the things that they were seeing 594 00:25:41,533 --> 00:25:43,533 back then in the past from the Vietnam war 595 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,900 are indeed the same types of vehicles being observed 596 00:25:47,033 --> 00:25:48,533 and perhaps the same type of technology 597 00:25:48,667 --> 00:25:50,000 that we're seeing today. 598 00:25:50,133 --> 00:25:53,400 Then maybe it'll help us figure out what the things are 599 00:25:53,533 --> 00:25:54,700 and where they're from. 600 00:25:56,133 --> 00:25:57,834 - [Narrator] Today, he's sitting down with a veteran 601 00:25:57,967 --> 00:25:59,567 who witnessed a similar object 602 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,867 during the NATO bombing of Kosovo in 1999. 603 00:26:04,433 --> 00:26:06,266 - Mr. Tarr, I presume. - Yes, Sir 604 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,100 - Hey how are you, sir? 605 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:08,600 - How are you? 606 00:26:08,734 --> 00:26:09,800 - Thank you very much for coming here and speaking with me. 607 00:26:09,934 --> 00:26:10,900 I really appreciate it. 608 00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:12,133 - My name is Derek Tarr. 609 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,133 I was a senior Airman during the late 90s, 610 00:26:14,266 --> 00:26:16,900 serving in the United States Air Force. 611 00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:19,533 This isn't the first time I've ever told this story. 612 00:26:20,867 --> 00:26:22,433 - [Narrator] Derek Tarr was a boom operator 613 00:26:22,567 --> 00:26:24,734 on an Air Force, KC-10. 614 00:26:24,867 --> 00:26:26,567 Responsible for the mid-air refueling 615 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,800 of NATO jets between bombing runs. 616 00:26:28,934 --> 00:26:30,300 - You got a lot of pilots out there, 617 00:26:30,433 --> 00:26:33,233 but you have very few boom operators. 618 00:26:33,367 --> 00:26:35,967 These individuals are trained experts on all sorts 619 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,133 of allied NATO aircraft. 620 00:26:38,266 --> 00:26:40,633 They know the difference between an F/A-18 Hornet 621 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:43,967 between an F-117 night fighter and F-16. 622 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:45,300 They know all these aircraft 623 00:26:45,433 --> 00:26:47,567 because they see them day in and day out. 624 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,967 - [Narrator] 0n March 24th, 1999, 625 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,233 Tarr is on a refueling mission over the Adriatic sea. 626 00:26:53,367 --> 00:26:55,633 When suddenly he sees a strange light. 627 00:26:55,767 --> 00:26:58,400 - I was sitting in the boom pod in the back of the KC-10, 628 00:26:58,533 --> 00:27:01,133 just waiting for the next set of receivers to arrive. 629 00:27:01,266 --> 00:27:05,333 I had noticed a bright light that was behind us, 630 00:27:05,467 --> 00:27:07,266 slightly below our altitude. 631 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:10,200 Just kind of hung back, 632 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:12,200 didn't seem to make any more forward progress 633 00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:13,633 towards our aircraft. 634 00:27:13,767 --> 00:27:15,166 That's when I kind of started to wonder 635 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,700 what was going on. 636 00:27:16,834 --> 00:27:19,967 I called up to my pilot on the interphone to ask him 637 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,133 if we had more receivers coming and said that 638 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:23,934 we did not have anyone scheduled. 639 00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:28,967 - [Narrator] Tarr say the control center monitoring 640 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,300 the airspace, reported all known aircraft 641 00:27:31,433 --> 00:27:32,700 were accounted for. 642 00:27:32,834 --> 00:27:36,033 - We started into a turn and as I looked back, 643 00:27:36,166 --> 00:27:38,033 I was just at a bright white orb. 644 00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:40,700 It was very bouncy almost like a super ball, 645 00:27:40,834 --> 00:27:44,133 very short, very succinct, very sharp movements, 646 00:27:44,266 --> 00:27:45,767 but extremely rapid. 647 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,667 The jostling or oscillations that it was doing, 648 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,867 was certainly not minute adjustments, 649 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,934 probably several hundred feet up, down side to side. 650 00:27:57,166 --> 00:27:58,633 Once I got to about our eight o'clock position 651 00:27:58,767 --> 00:28:01,567 that did a rapid climb and just in the blink of an eye, 652 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,233 went straight up and it just shot right up in the sky. 653 00:28:06,567 --> 00:28:08,900 The fastest thing I've ever seen. 654 00:28:09,033 --> 00:28:11,734 - [Narrator] The UFO Tarr claims the saw was spherical 655 00:28:11,867 --> 00:28:14,367 instead of the oblong shape of tic-tacs, 656 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:17,033 but it featured some of the same five observables. 657 00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:18,533 - [Tarr] We have hypersonic velocities, 658 00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:19,934 instantaneous acceleration, 659 00:28:20,066 --> 00:28:21,266 and of course positive lift, 660 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,734 or in the vernacular anti-gravity. 661 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,700 - [Narrator] Four new sightings spending decades in Kosovo, 662 00:28:28,834 --> 00:28:31,200 Afghanistan, and Vietnam. 663 00:28:31,333 --> 00:28:33,900 U.S miliTarry eyewitnesses reported single objects 664 00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:36,367 in close proximity to American planes. 665 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,700 And in the 2004 Nimitz encounter 666 00:28:39,834 --> 00:28:42,367 where an entire carrier strike group was present. 667 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,533 Radar operators reported a fleet of objects. 668 00:28:45,667 --> 00:28:48,734 - What Tarr saw, and what the Nimitz folks had reported 669 00:28:48,867 --> 00:28:50,533 back in 2004, 670 00:28:50,667 --> 00:28:51,867 there were some commonalities 671 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,767 in the performance of these things. 672 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,400 - [Narrator] The team needs to gather more data 673 00:28:55,533 --> 00:28:57,266 to address the biggest question, 674 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,033 are these the same objects? 675 00:28:59,166 --> 00:29:01,133 And if so, what are they? 676 00:29:01,266 --> 00:29:03,133 In the case of Derrick Tarr sighting, 677 00:29:03,266 --> 00:29:05,400 could the conflict itself offer for a clue? 678 00:29:06,767 --> 00:29:09,767 - Clearly when we engage Kosovo, we're operating in fairly 679 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:13,100 close proximity to Russia and it's opportunity for them 680 00:29:13,233 --> 00:29:16,500 to collect intelligence on these cutting edge aircraft 681 00:29:16,633 --> 00:29:20,300 in the U S inventory, including the stealth bomber. 682 00:29:20,433 --> 00:29:22,600 - [Narrator] The B-2 stealth bomber was first used 683 00:29:22,734 --> 00:29:24,633 in combat in the Kosovo war. 684 00:29:24,767 --> 00:29:28,133 At the time, it was America's most advanced aircraft. 685 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,834 - So all of those kinds of technologies 686 00:29:31,967 --> 00:29:35,000 are very pertinent to the Russian military 687 00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:38,266 who are constantly preparing for the eventuality 688 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,633 in which they may have to engage the United States. 689 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,667 - [Tarr] The thought did cross my mind that this certainly 690 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,934 could be a hostile. 691 00:29:47,066 --> 00:29:48,934 - Where they really an adversarial technology 692 00:29:49,066 --> 00:29:52,467 that has managed to hoodwink us and leapfrog ahead 693 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,734 of the United States going back decades? 694 00:29:55,934 --> 00:29:57,000 If that's the case then I think we have a much, 695 00:29:57,133 --> 00:29:59,667 much bigger problem on our hands 696 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,500 because that means there is something inherently broken 697 00:30:02,633 --> 00:30:04,567 with our national security apparatus. 698 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,800 - I think, it very well could be 699 00:30:06,934 --> 00:30:09,166 a significant national security issue, 700 00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:12,100 if we just kind of bury our head in the sand 701 00:30:12,233 --> 00:30:14,300 or look away, we're screwed. 702 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,166 - [Narrator] Coming up on unidentified. 703 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,500 - This falls into that on identified category. 704 00:30:19,633 --> 00:30:20,934 You know, there's just some of these things 705 00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:22,333 that can't be explained. 706 00:30:22,467 --> 00:30:24,467 (intense music) 707 00:30:26,967 --> 00:30:31,367 g) 708 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,200 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo has returned from meeting 709 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:36,500 four American veterans who claimed to have seen UFOs 710 00:30:36,633 --> 00:30:38,700 similar to the tic-tac witnessed by pilots 711 00:30:38,834 --> 00:30:41,533 from the USS Nimitz in 2004. 712 00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:44,800 Sightings in war zones, dating back 50 years. 713 00:30:44,934 --> 00:30:46,667 - The testimony that we are seeing now 714 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,867 from these courageous individuals, 715 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,367 I think it's beginning to open the aperture 716 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:55,133 and what we're now realizing, it wasn't just the USS Nimitz 717 00:30:55,266 --> 00:30:57,166 and flying tic-tacs. 718 00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,200 It goes all the way back to Vietnam. 719 00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:01,100 - [Narrator] For Elizondo and his team, 720 00:31:01,233 --> 00:31:04,367 serious questions remain about the origin of these objects 721 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:06,533 and the threat they represent? 722 00:31:06,667 --> 00:31:09,100 - The stunning and concerning thing about 723 00:31:09,233 --> 00:31:12,533 these unidentified aerial phenomenon, 724 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:16,033 is they demonstrate performance characteristics 725 00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:19,600 that are far superior to anything in the U.S inventory 726 00:31:19,734 --> 00:31:23,266 at either a classified or unclassified level. 727 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,934 - If it's not us and it's not them, 728 00:31:25,066 --> 00:31:27,033 then that means somebody else. 729 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:29,900 - [Narrator] Now he's meeting 730 00:31:30,033 --> 00:31:31,567 with his team members, Steve Justice. 731 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,734 One of the most respected aviation experts 732 00:31:33,867 --> 00:31:35,433 in the United States. 733 00:31:35,567 --> 00:31:38,734 Justice was a director at Lockheed Martin skunk works, 734 00:31:38,867 --> 00:31:40,266 where he helped develop some of America's 735 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,533 most advanced top secret aircraft. 736 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,033 - I kind of want to run by you some of these scenarios, 737 00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:48,934 these experiences, if you're okay with that. 738 00:31:49,066 --> 00:31:50,767 - Yeah, yeah sure. 739 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,600 - [Narrator] Elizondo wants Justice to explore 740 00:31:52,734 --> 00:31:55,700 whether war time sightings of tic-tac like objects 741 00:31:55,834 --> 00:31:58,533 can be explained by conventional technology. 742 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:00,433 - [Tarr] Once it got to our eight o'clock position, 743 00:32:00,567 --> 00:32:03,600 it did a rapid climb and just in the blink of an eye, 744 00:32:03,734 --> 00:32:07,233 went straight up and it just shot right up in the sky, 745 00:32:10,233 --> 00:32:14,667 - 1999, where were we with our technology then 746 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,300 as far as objects that could operate from 30,000 feet 747 00:32:19,433 --> 00:32:22,100 and all of the sudden pop up to 80,000 feet and disappear? 748 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,166 - We don't have that today, so I don't know 749 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:27,333 why we would have it, 750 00:32:27,467 --> 00:32:29,600 you know, and in the 1990s 751 00:32:29,734 --> 00:32:32,000 - In 1999, which we did have lasers 752 00:32:32,133 --> 00:32:33,467 - Oh, absolutely. 753 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,266 - Was it possible that someone could have been shooting 754 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,967 a laser from the ground 755 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,600 - [Narrator] in the late 1990s, the U.S had begun testing 756 00:32:40,734 --> 00:32:42,767 a ground-based chemical laser capable 757 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:44,467 of hitting objects in space. 758 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,500 - If there were a nighttime and it were visible laser, 759 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:49,266 then you would see the beam. 760 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,100 - So what technologies can you talk about 761 00:32:52,233 --> 00:32:56,333 that the enemy might've had in the late 90s? 762 00:32:56,467 --> 00:32:57,633 - The only things I know of 763 00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,467 were all very conventional things. 764 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,033 I don't know of anything that was exotic. 765 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,867 - [Narrator] Elizondo also wants to know what Justice 766 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,700 thinks about a nighttime sighting 767 00:33:07,834 --> 00:33:11,066 10 years later by Justin Doerfler in Afghanistan. 768 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,700 - This thing from a dead stop going straight, straight, 769 00:33:14,834 --> 00:33:16,600 it only moved at straight lines. 770 00:33:16,734 --> 00:33:18,100 - [Narrator] aviation expert, Bill Scott. 771 00:33:18,233 --> 00:33:21,166 Theorize the objects could be anti-missile decoys, 772 00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:25,433 but Afghanistan also saw a new generation 773 00:33:25,567 --> 00:33:28,867 of unmanned aerial vehicles or UAVs, 774 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,266 could it have been one of them? 775 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,367 - This was kind of the place where UAVs 776 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:35,266 really got their traction, but I don't know 777 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,867 of any UAVs that do that. 778 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,433 Maneuver like that? 779 00:33:39,567 --> 00:33:41,500 Yes, but not at those speeds. 780 00:33:42,667 --> 00:33:44,033 - [Narrator] Elizondo has one more sighting 781 00:33:44,166 --> 00:33:46,100 he wants Steve Justice to look at. 782 00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:49,200 One that's also confounded the experts, 783 00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:51,233 the bizarre metallic object that appeared 784 00:33:51,367 --> 00:33:52,900 to be hovering in the sky. 785 00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:55,700 As Brian Westerns, A-6 intruder flew by 786 00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:58,567 more than five decades earlier over North Vietnam. 787 00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,166 - Probably about three feet in diameter 788 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,834 and maybe five or eight feet long. 789 00:34:03,967 --> 00:34:07,767 This thing just wafted over the wing or right next to it. 790 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,767 I mean, it was within inches. 791 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:11,500 - [Narrator] Could it have in artillery shell 792 00:34:11,633 --> 00:34:14,100 visible from Western's low flying A-6? 793 00:34:15,567 --> 00:34:17,834 - [Lue] think of a tic-tac with a flat end on the back. 794 00:34:17,967 --> 00:34:22,100 - Artillery shells that are fired off of battleships 795 00:34:22,233 --> 00:34:23,767 are relatively blunt. 796 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,266 - I've seen one fired five shell from Paladins. 797 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,300 - If you know what you're looking for, you can see him. 798 00:34:28,433 --> 00:34:31,100 You know I'll admit, I can't explain low altitude. 799 00:34:31,233 --> 00:34:33,467 Typically shells are arcing through the air. 800 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,800 He said it was just sitting there, 801 00:34:34,934 --> 00:34:36,100 so I can't explain that. 802 00:34:36,233 --> 00:34:37,300 - Color, let's go into color. 803 00:34:37,433 --> 00:34:38,433 - Sil- the silver chrome? 804 00:34:38,567 --> 00:34:39,600 - Like mercury? 805 00:34:39,734 --> 00:34:42,333 - Yeah, I can't really explain that. 806 00:34:42,467 --> 00:34:45,100 - And what about if it's not going up 807 00:34:45,233 --> 00:34:47,166 an object coming down like some sort 808 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:48,834 of reconnaissance balloon. 809 00:34:48,967 --> 00:34:51,767 - The closest thing to the shape that you've described 810 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:54,667 is a napalm canister, to be perfectly honest with you. 811 00:34:56,467 --> 00:34:59,667 But napalm was also dropped from relatively low altitudes 812 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,500 who were drawn from tree top levels. 813 00:35:02,633 --> 00:35:05,000 - What other considerations then, 814 00:35:05,133 --> 00:35:07,066 should we be looking at here? 815 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,000 - This falls into that un identified category. 816 00:35:10,133 --> 00:35:11,400 You know, there's just some of these things 817 00:35:11,533 --> 00:35:12,967 that can't be explained. 818 00:35:16,867 --> 00:35:18,900 - [Narrator] David Clarke is an investigative journalist, 819 00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,200 who combed through the British national archives, 820 00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:23,400 studying military UFO sightings. 821 00:35:23,533 --> 00:35:26,166 - Pilots, however highly trained they are, 822 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:27,734 are human beings. 823 00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:29,667 - [Narrator] He believes that many of these sightings 824 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,900 can be attributed to the fog of war. 825 00:35:32,033 --> 00:35:34,400 - Particularly in wartime, where you're on edge. 826 00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:36,033 Every time you go out, you don't know whether 827 00:35:36,166 --> 00:35:38,500 you're gonna return, you're going without sleep. 828 00:35:38,633 --> 00:35:40,667 Some of the pilots actually admitted this, 829 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,333 that maybe they saw quite ordinary things 830 00:35:43,467 --> 00:35:45,700 and thought there was something extraordinary. 831 00:35:45,834 --> 00:35:48,000 - [Narrator] Others disagree and say, the heat of battle 832 00:35:48,133 --> 00:35:50,734 can make service members better observers. 833 00:35:50,867 --> 00:35:53,867 - I think you have to look at these reports 834 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,166 on a case by case basis, and the data that's available. 835 00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:00,567 I don't think you can paint with a broad brush and say, 836 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,467 oh, that's just the fog of war. 837 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,133 - If anything, your senses are raised during that 838 00:36:06,266 --> 00:36:08,467 because of the heightened sense of awareness, 839 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,734 they saw something they might not have normally seen. 840 00:36:11,867 --> 00:36:15,200 I think that's a benefit to us, not a liability 841 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,767 - [Narrator] For the veterans who remembered these events 842 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,433 as if they were yesterday, there's no question 843 00:36:20,567 --> 00:36:22,800 - For something to be in your airspace 844 00:36:22,934 --> 00:36:25,900 without any form that you can recognize. 845 00:36:26,033 --> 00:36:28,400 No wings, no engine, no exhaust 846 00:36:28,533 --> 00:36:30,734 and it's like, well it shouldn't have been there 847 00:36:30,867 --> 00:36:32,467 but what do you do when it is there? 848 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,066 And somebody said, well really wasn't there. 849 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,066 Well, all I can say is it was there. 850 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,800 I saw it clearly, Bill saw it clearly. 851 00:36:39,934 --> 00:36:41,433 It was startling 852 00:36:41,567 --> 00:36:43,433 - [Narrator] Coming up on unidentified, 853 00:36:43,567 --> 00:36:46,400 the team convenes, and they raise a critical question. 854 00:36:46,533 --> 00:36:50,433 - So if it represented a game changing capability, 855 00:36:50,567 --> 00:36:53,233 would you not tend to sit on it? 856 00:36:53,367 --> 00:36:55,934 - We just don't sit on technology that long, we use it, 857 00:36:56,066 --> 00:36:57,200 we implement it. 858 00:36:57,333 --> 00:36:59,166 (intense music) 859 00:37:01,867 --> 00:37:03,867 exosion) 860 00:37:06,166 --> 00:37:07,700 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo has been investigating 861 00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,433 a pattern of sightings of tic-tac like UFOs 862 00:37:10,567 --> 00:37:12,100 in America's war zones. 863 00:37:13,233 --> 00:37:15,166 Could they be a threat to national security? 864 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,200 Today he's briefing the team, 865 00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:20,700 Tom DeLonge, Chris Mellon and Steve Justice 866 00:37:20,834 --> 00:37:22,567 on what he's found. 867 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:23,867 - When I was in ATIP, 868 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,567 we really focused primarily looking 869 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:28,767 at the USS Nimitz incident and forward. 870 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:33,200 I was shocked to learn that some of the same observables 871 00:37:33,333 --> 00:37:36,600 that we noticed were precisely the same observables 872 00:37:36,734 --> 00:37:40,533 that were being reported even back in the 1960s, 873 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,033 - [Narrator] Elizondo details, Derek Tarrr's UFO sighting 874 00:37:44,166 --> 00:37:46,767 during the Kosovo conflict in 1999, 875 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,367 which displayed some of those observables. 876 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,100 - It starts to maneuver in a very peculiar manner. 877 00:37:53,233 --> 00:37:56,200 Something that we now know from the Nimitz event, 878 00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:57,700 the tic-tac event, 879 00:37:57,834 --> 00:38:02,834 basically this weird type of 90 degree, right turns. 880 00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:04,767 - [Steve] The ricochet kind of thing. 881 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,834 - [Lue] Like a ping pong, right like a ricochet. 882 00:38:06,967 --> 00:38:08,500 - [Narrator] The team finds clear similarities 883 00:38:08,633 --> 00:38:11,433 between the UFO seen during recent conflicts 884 00:38:11,567 --> 00:38:15,100 and the object observed by us Navy pilots in 2004. 885 00:38:15,233 --> 00:38:17,834 - I think this fits the same category as the reports 886 00:38:17,967 --> 00:38:20,834 on these coasts and the tic-tacs. 887 00:38:20,967 --> 00:38:22,600 - [Narrator] In each case, they believe the tic-tacs 888 00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:24,934 were displaying capabilities, not consistent 889 00:38:25,066 --> 00:38:28,000 with known technology of U.S or otherwise, 890 00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:30,767 but there's one last piece of the puzzle to consider. 891 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,834 - Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce you 892 00:38:33,967 --> 00:38:35,333 to a friend of mine. 893 00:38:35,734 --> 00:38:37,100 - Oh, hey. 894 00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:39,133 - [Lue] This is Lieutenant commander, Brian Western retired 895 00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:40,300 - [Narrator] Elizondo has invited 896 00:38:40,433 --> 00:38:42,300 retired Lieutenant commander, Brian Weston 897 00:38:42,433 --> 00:38:44,667 to meet the team and discuss the UFO 898 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,100 he saw over North Vietnam in 1966. 899 00:38:48,233 --> 00:38:50,500 - This individual happens to not only be a Patriot, 900 00:38:50,633 --> 00:38:53,166 but frankly in my opinion, 901 00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,834 a war hero during the early days of Vietnam, 902 00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:59,600 he encountered a pretty remarkable event. 903 00:38:59,734 --> 00:39:01,834 - What I saw didn't make any sense 904 00:39:01,967 --> 00:39:03,500 in the context of the time. 905 00:39:03,633 --> 00:39:06,667 - Here, we have something that is not unlike the description 906 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400 of the tick-tack and other things that we reported on. 907 00:39:09,533 --> 00:39:11,900 And you have this instantaneous acceleration 908 00:39:12,033 --> 00:39:13,367 and even low observability. 909 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,500 And this is going back to 1966. 910 00:39:16,633 --> 00:39:18,400 - Was it flying the opposite direction or something, 911 00:39:18,533 --> 00:39:19,900 or you pass it potentially? 912 00:39:20,033 --> 00:39:21,400 - Did not see it coming. 913 00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:23,834 All I saw was right there, which is just wafted by 914 00:39:23,967 --> 00:39:25,333 - Wow. 915 00:39:25,467 --> 00:39:26,834 - This thing wasn't there, it got there somehow. 916 00:39:26,967 --> 00:39:29,867 If it wasn't propulsing, like I'm used to, or a jet 917 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,400 or a rocket or something, no wings. 918 00:39:31,533 --> 00:39:33,333 I mean, there's about only one thing left 919 00:39:33,467 --> 00:39:35,667 as far as I can see as anti-gravity. 920 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,667 And if we had that and people knew about it, 921 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,333 how they could sit on it would be absolutely beyond me. 922 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:45,400 - When we develop a game changing technology, 923 00:39:45,533 --> 00:39:48,166 it's not uncommon that we feel that during times 924 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:49,667 of conflict, right? 925 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,500 I can't imagine given our conflict in Afghanistan 926 00:39:53,633 --> 00:39:57,066 and Iraq, and Kosovo, and Vietnam, 927 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,367 that we have managed to sit on a game changing technology, 928 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,900 putting pilot's lives in danger this entire time. 929 00:40:04,033 --> 00:40:06,400 For more than a damn near 60 years. 930 00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,500 We just sit on technology that long, 931 00:40:08,633 --> 00:40:11,066 even with nuclear technology we use it, 932 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,166 we implement it. 933 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,900 - [Steve] We don't necessarily use it. 934 00:40:15,033 --> 00:40:15,967 - Okay, so let's elaborate. 935 00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:19,700 - It would be a strict case where we would use that. 936 00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:21,000 - But they're not a secret. 937 00:40:21,133 --> 00:40:22,533 - We use them every day for deterrence. 938 00:40:22,667 --> 00:40:23,500 - So I'm going to take the other side 939 00:40:23,633 --> 00:40:24,533 of the devil's advocate thing. 940 00:40:24,667 --> 00:40:25,834 So unlike nuclear weapons, 941 00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:27,500 which do represent a big deterrent, 942 00:40:27,633 --> 00:40:30,400 if you were to talk about this, would it be a deterrent? 943 00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:32,834 No, if anything it would just draw curiosity. 944 00:40:32,967 --> 00:40:36,834 So if it represented a game changing capability, 945 00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:41,967 would you not tend to sit on it, and hold it down tight? 946 00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:45,000 - Yes, but I wouldn't be then flying it. 947 00:40:45,133 --> 00:40:46,533 - I get that. 948 00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:49,000 - If you keep it locked in a warehouse and nobody sees it. 949 00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:52,567 You do not fly that thing within inches 950 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,567 of a fully combat capable, 951 00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:57,900 A-6 over North Vietnam. 952 00:40:58,033 --> 00:41:00,633 - If your talking about whether this thing was some secret 953 00:41:00,767 --> 00:41:02,734 U.S. weapons program, heck no. 954 00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:07,967 - [Narrator] For now the team can't definitively conclude 955 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,900 that the UFOs reported during the Vietnam war match 956 00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:13,467 those seen in more recent conflicts, 957 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,133 but one thing is certain. 958 00:41:15,266 --> 00:41:17,300 - Would you live through what you survived? 959 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,300 What you did is amazing. 960 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:21,300 - [Tom] With a lot of sacrifice too. 961 00:41:21,433 --> 00:41:22,400 - Incredible. 962 00:41:22,533 --> 00:41:24,400 - I mean, is's burned into my memory. 963 00:41:24,533 --> 00:41:26,567 - [Narrator] So to is their ongoing mission. 964 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,967 The need to keep investigating the strange objects 965 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,867 in the sky and determine what they might be. 966 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:35,133 - Took me a decade. 967 00:41:35,266 --> 00:41:37,300 I stayed in the shadows. 968 00:41:37,433 --> 00:41:40,433 I now know I wasn't alone. 969 00:41:40,567 --> 00:41:43,233 And I'm telling you guys, you're not alone either. 970 00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:46,400 The conversation's open and it's not going away. 971 00:41:47,767 --> 00:41:49,900 - I don't think that calculus has changed since Vietnam 972 00:41:50,033 --> 00:41:53,767 or frankly from world war II, or frankly from the 1900s 973 00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:55,233 or frankly from the civil war, 974 00:41:55,367 --> 00:41:58,633 or frankly from 2000 years ago in Rome. 975 00:41:58,767 --> 00:42:00,633 And I think the time has come that we opened our eyes 976 00:42:00,767 --> 00:42:02,967 when we finally addressed what the hell is going on. 977 00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,133 - [Narrator] This season on unidentified. 978 00:42:06,834 --> 00:42:10,367 The team scours, the globe uncovering UFO hotspots. 979 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,967 - Are they seeing the same thing 980 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:13,967 in the sky is that we are? 981 00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,867 Oscar Santamario was given the order. 982 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,133 If it isn't ours, shoot it down. 983 00:42:18,266 --> 00:42:19,033 - [Narrator] And hunts for answers 984 00:42:19,166 --> 00:42:20,867 to the biggest UFO mysteries. 985 00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,600 - It was a perfect black equal lateral triangle. 986 00:42:25,734 --> 00:42:27,667 - [Pilot] Chase back at you, ha! 987 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:34,633 - [Narrator] Revealing never before seeing videos. 988 00:42:34,767 --> 00:42:36,533 - [Narrator] Never before heard stories, 989 00:42:36,667 --> 00:42:40,133 - They were there scoping out our capabilities. 990 00:42:40,266 --> 00:42:43,834 - It's as if it's never left, that changed everything. 991 00:42:43,967 --> 00:42:45,367 - [Narrator] And stunning revelations about 992 00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:47,467 the most famous UFO encounters. 993 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,200 - And out of nowhere, this object drops out from the sky 994 00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:53,166 at an incredible speed. 995 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:54,867 - Un halo brillante. 996 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,834 What? That for me was a drop the mic moment. 997 00:42:57,967 --> 00:43:00,433 - [Narrator] What is flying in our skies. 998 00:43:00,567 --> 00:43:02,200 - They definitely weren't planes, 999 00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:04,700 they had different lights and just no rhyme 1000 00:43:04,834 --> 00:43:06,367 or reason to where they were flying. 1001 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:08,433 - Something was coming up underneath me, 1002 00:43:08,567 --> 00:43:12,266 unverifiable, unidentifiable but undeniable. 1003 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,600 - If one of these did hit one of our airplanes, 1004 00:43:14,734 --> 00:43:16,934 most likely would kill everybody on board. 1005 00:43:17,233 --> 00:43:19,266 (intense music) 79960

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