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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,870 --> 00:00:51,520 Why do people love giant monsters? 2 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,960 I don't know. 3 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:58,230 Why I love giant monsters is because they wreak havoc. 4 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:04,100 I love monsters a lot. 5 00:01:04,230 --> 00:01:07,580 And to have a monster that's the size of a skyscraper 6 00:01:07,710 --> 00:01:11,370 is just the best thing in the world. 7 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:13,720 There isn't a culture on Earth that doesn't 8 00:01:13,850 --> 00:01:16,720 tell stories about monsters. 9 00:01:16,850 --> 00:01:20,730 I think because they represent part of ourselves. 10 00:01:20,860 --> 00:01:25,170 It's that constant battle between our more elevated 11 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:30,000 human nature and are much more animalistic, ferocious, feral, 12 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:31,610 and violent, and scary nature. 13 00:01:35,390 --> 00:01:38,920 With most giant monster kaiju films, 14 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:41,790 there's some upset giant creature 15 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,580 that is getting from point A to point 16 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:45,750 B, whatever its purpose is, and just 17 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,320 messing up things in its path. 18 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:49,540 It's as simple as that. 19 00:01:53,150 --> 00:01:56,070 What are the must see giant monster movies? 20 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:04,340 Horror film, science fiction films, 21 00:02:04,470 --> 00:02:07,250 they mirror the anxieties of the age. 22 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:11,650 And the 1950s was the Communist menace 23 00:02:11,780 --> 00:02:15,090 and fear of nuclear war, atomic war, 24 00:02:15,220 --> 00:02:16,870 and the effects of radiation. 25 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,830 So you had all of these movies like Invasion 26 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:20,870 of the Body Snatchers-- 27 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:22,620 They're after you. 28 00:02:22,750 --> 00:02:26,050 They're after all of us, our wives, our children, everyone. 29 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:27,660 They're here already! 30 00:02:27,790 --> 00:02:29,970 --I Married A Monster From Outer Space. 31 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:33,630 So people look the same, but they're not. 32 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,800 There's some thing that crept into Bill's body. 33 00:02:36,930 --> 00:02:38,590 They're evil like your neighbor. 34 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,900 It could be an alien, or a pod person, or a commie. 35 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:46,860 Or giant bugs, because of radioactive fallout 36 00:02:46,990 --> 00:02:52,340 from mankind's messing with atomic energy. 37 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:56,820 Them! is probably the one that leaps to mind. 38 00:02:56,950 --> 00:03:01,350 Them! 39 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,090 Them! is a classic giant bug movie. 40 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:07,880 One of the family of Formicidae, an ant. 41 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:09,580 An ant? 42 00:03:09,710 --> 00:03:10,450 I don't believe it. 43 00:03:10,580 --> 00:03:11,660 It's not possible. 44 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,620 When these creatures become so big, 45 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:15,970 that they can dominate the human race, 46 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:18,760 I mean, how do you fight that? 47 00:03:18,890 --> 00:03:22,760 How do you fight this creature that has zero interest in you 48 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:25,590 other than as maybe food? 49 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,030 The practical effects that were used, 50 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,560 seeing those giant mandibles in frame and people 51 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:35,380 touching the hairy bristles that were just 52 00:03:35,510 --> 00:03:38,950 giant porcupine quills, that stuff really, 53 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,220 really was quite visceral. 54 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:45,180 You think about a movie like Them! 55 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:47,220 and you think about the look on people's face. 56 00:03:47,350 --> 00:03:50,010 The performance is everything, right? 57 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:51,660 Because we can't linger our camera 58 00:03:51,790 --> 00:03:53,660 too long on these creatures because you're 59 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:57,580 going to really quickly see that this is pretty ridiculous. 60 00:03:59,710 --> 00:04:02,670 I can only imagine how difficult it was to perform 61 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,280 amongst those physical props. 62 00:04:05,410 --> 00:04:08,370 So as an actor, you have to give it your all. 63 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:14,600 It's very cool to watch how they did this. 64 00:04:14,730 --> 00:04:16,510 And what they did with the budget they had. 65 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,600 And it makes you wish that a lot of these movies that came out 66 00:04:20,730 --> 00:04:23,480 in the next few years had as much of a budget 67 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:25,430 because some of them didn't quite look as good. 68 00:04:31,180 --> 00:04:34,530 We just made spiders big, ants big. 69 00:04:34,660 --> 00:04:37,140 Whatever it was, just made them bigger. 70 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:39,970 Was it as creative as it could be? 71 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:43,930 Not necessarily, but it was more effective 72 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:47,850 in that each of these giant creatures was totally relatable. 73 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:49,980 We know what a spider is. 74 00:04:50,110 --> 00:04:51,810 We know what an ant is. 75 00:04:51,940 --> 00:04:56,470 And to imagine them that big, that's the horrifying part is we 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,290 know what it is. 77 00:04:59,420 --> 00:05:02,690 I have never seen a black and white film 78 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:05,650 about a irradiated giant animals on the attack, 79 00:05:05,780 --> 00:05:07,910 which I haven't loved. 80 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,440 There is something some eternal 10-year-old inside of me that 81 00:05:12,570 --> 00:05:18,140 just wants to see giant spiders or giant ants march on Santa Fe. 82 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:28,190 Oh, Jesus! 83 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,110 What the hell is going on? 84 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,590 I mean, what the hell is going on! 85 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,200 They might not be very big compared to King Kong 86 00:05:34,330 --> 00:05:36,940 or Godzilla, but one of my favorite giant monsters 87 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:41,770 are the Graboids in Tremors, which 88 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:45,560 are these underground slugs that basically have the ability 89 00:05:45,690 --> 00:05:49,740 to like jet propel themselves underneath the Nevada desert 90 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:52,130 and then pop up and eat people whenever they please. 91 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,570 Tremors is the best monster movie of the '90s, full stop. 92 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:03,230 Probably one of the smartest monster movies 93 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,930 you're going to get just in general. 94 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:08,970 The characterization in that movie is fantastic. 95 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:11,150 The ensemble is amazing. 96 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,370 It's scary. 97 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:15,760 The humor works. 98 00:06:15,890 --> 00:06:18,680 Uh, roger that, Burt, and congratulations. 99 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:20,900 Be advised, however, there are two more, 100 00:06:21,030 --> 00:06:23,900 repeat, two more mother humpers. 101 00:06:24,030 --> 00:06:26,470 It takes two guys that we 102 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,300 all can relate to in some way. 103 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:30,040 They're are good old boys. 104 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:31,690 They're guys that, like, you would have gone to high school 105 00:06:31,820 --> 00:06:33,610 with. 106 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:36,390 They have no special skills, really. 107 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,570 They are not scientists. 108 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:39,960 I don't even know if they're bright. 109 00:06:40,090 --> 00:06:42,050 Well, I'll tell you. 110 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:44,090 Nobody handles garbage better than we do. 111 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:45,750 And then it puts them in a monster movie. 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,060 Tremors also capitalizes on the Jaws POV 113 00:06:55,190 --> 00:06:56,850 like you were in the killer perspective. 114 00:06:59,410 --> 00:07:00,150 No way! 115 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:03,510 And that is horrifying. 116 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:10,380 And the practical effects of that movie still hold up. 117 00:07:10,510 --> 00:07:13,730 When they trick the one Graboid into smashing into the cement 118 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:17,740 wall, and then they, like, dig up one end of it, 119 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:19,520 and Kevin Bacon picks it up. 120 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:21,310 I found the ass end. 121 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,090 You feel the scope. 122 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:25,610 You feel how big that thing is because they created that thing, 123 00:07:25,740 --> 00:07:26,480 you know? 124 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,230 And it just feels real. 125 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,010 When the Graboid comes smashing through Burt Gummer's wall, 126 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:37,280 and the tentacles come out, it's just so good. 127 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:40,060 It does kind of take that old school Western idea 128 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:42,670 that if anybody tries to invade us, we've got guns, 129 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:44,980 and we're Americans, and we'll blow your ass away. 130 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,470 It's got that message, but done in an amped up 131 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,510 kind of satirical way. 132 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,780 Broke into the wrong goddamn rec room, didn't you, 133 00:07:57,910 --> 00:08:00,390 you bastard? 134 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,000 There is a gleefulness to the movie 135 00:08:03,130 --> 00:08:05,520 that's very hard to recreate. 136 00:08:05,650 --> 00:08:08,830 It's been often imitated, but very hard to recreate. 137 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,440 There's just something very genuine. 138 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:12,180 It was coming from a genuine place. 139 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:14,360 And no one saw it coming. 140 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:18,800 I want to watch this movie tonight. 141 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:19,800 So good. 142 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:21,670 Get inside! 143 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:32,940 Cloverfield is a perfect Godzilla film for America 144 00:08:33,070 --> 00:08:34,680 because you care about the people. 145 00:08:34,810 --> 00:08:36,340 There is nothing I can do about that. 146 00:08:36,470 --> 00:08:37,990 The girl that I love more than anything is dying, 147 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,170 and it's my fault. She should have been with me tonight, 148 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:41,650 and I let her go. 149 00:08:41,780 --> 00:08:43,520 Cloverfield makes 150 00:08:43,650 --> 00:08:46,870 you care about this romance falling apart 151 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,390 and these goofy young people in Manhattan. 152 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:52,000 --and bring some guy to my party? 153 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:54,570 You haven't talked to me in weeks. 154 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:55,660 God, man. Sorry. 155 00:08:55,790 --> 00:08:57,360 Come on. 156 00:08:57,490 --> 00:08:58,230 And you're seeing these emotional dramas 157 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,710 between people. 158 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,840 This soap opera element of it is very American. 159 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:05,930 Rob and Beth totally had sex together. 160 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:07,410 I knew it. 161 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:09,500 And it's about their survival. 162 00:09:09,630 --> 00:09:12,460 Cloverfield showed you can be a successful American 163 00:09:12,590 --> 00:09:14,640 young person, your life is great, 164 00:09:14,770 --> 00:09:16,330 and at the drop of a hat-- 165 00:09:16,460 --> 00:09:19,380 And hang on to the people that you care about the most. 166 00:09:19,510 --> 00:09:22,170 Oh, god. 167 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:24,040 What the hell was that? 168 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:25,820 What was that? 169 00:09:25,950 --> 00:09:30,090 It can all be taken away by terrorists, or giant kaiju, or 170 00:09:30,220 --> 00:09:31,960 an invading army, or whatever. 171 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:33,520 Like, you are not safe. 172 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:35,610 No matter how much money they put into the military, 173 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:36,920 it's not going to last forever. 174 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:38,310 And it's coming. 175 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,270 And partly, it already has come with 9/11. 176 00:09:48,450 --> 00:09:51,500 I think without taking into account 9/11 177 00:09:51,630 --> 00:09:53,630 as context with Cloverfield, you're 178 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,240 missing the point in the way that you would miss the point 179 00:09:56,370 --> 00:09:59,030 if you didn't talk about the atomic bomb 180 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,550 when watching Godzilla. 181 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:03,160 It's the same connection, and it's why it works. 182 00:10:03,290 --> 00:10:06,640 It works because we're exorcizing 183 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:08,470 demons through this film. 184 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,050 Cloverfield, for me, is one of those movies that just feels 185 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:18,530 about as close as you can get to seeing a giant monster attack 186 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:20,090 because the way it was shot. 187 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:24,230 You're in it. 188 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,100 Doing a found footage approach to that, I think, 189 00:10:27,230 --> 00:10:29,970 was absolutely brilliant because it's putting you on the ground. 190 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:31,840 You're basically looking at eye level, 191 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:33,450 looking at soldiers running around, 192 00:10:33,580 --> 00:10:34,890 and all the camera has to do is go-- 193 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:40,330 and you're just seeing a giant monster 194 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:41,680 face looking down at you. 195 00:10:41,810 --> 00:10:45,160 That's really horrifying. 196 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:49,080 The most important part of the Cloverfield creature 197 00:10:49,210 --> 00:10:52,170 that I think dare I say why it was successful 198 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:56,130 was the fact that we understood his motivation. 199 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:04,570 The common trait with kaiju type creatures, giant monsters, 200 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:07,710 is that they are just knocking over buildings 201 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:13,410 with no specific reason other than violence. 202 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:18,850 And Cloverfield was a newborn, brand new baby hatched out 203 00:11:18,980 --> 00:11:25,030 of an egg that found itself in an environment 204 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,460 that it was afraid of. 205 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:30,600 So it was never really trying to destroy New York. 206 00:11:30,730 --> 00:11:32,730 It was just trying to find its mom. 207 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:34,470 Are you guys seeing this shit right now? 208 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,820 Oh, my god. 209 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:37,390 Oh, god. 210 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,390 If you can imbue a creature with a motivation, one 211 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,790 that works for the story, it makes 212 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,530 everyone's job so much easier. 213 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:47,530 And it makes the consumption of that creature 214 00:11:47,660 --> 00:11:52,010 by an audience so much more easy and rich. 215 00:12:11,330 --> 00:12:14,250 Nope. 216 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:16,120 Nope, oh, my gosh. 217 00:12:16,250 --> 00:12:18,950 I haven't seen a movie in so long 218 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,170 where something as simple as a cloud became menacing. 219 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:26,920 OJ, it's in the cloud. 220 00:12:27,050 --> 00:12:28,610 Mm-hmm. 221 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:30,880 It's like the other side of a Joni Mitchell song, right? 222 00:12:31,010 --> 00:12:32,490 Like, clouds, when I see them up and down. 223 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:34,360 And now, I'm fucking terrified. 224 00:12:38,490 --> 00:12:42,500 In Jordan Peele's Nope, you've got this spacecraft that 225 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:44,670 is ultimately revealed to not be a spacecraft, 226 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,940 but to actually be this interdimensional, 227 00:12:48,070 --> 00:12:50,720 interstellar creature that has just decided 228 00:12:50,850 --> 00:12:53,420 to live above the desert. 229 00:12:53,550 --> 00:12:55,810 And then once we get into that creature, 230 00:12:55,940 --> 00:13:02,040 as it devours those people, it squishes them in the mouth. 231 00:13:02,170 --> 00:13:04,870 Oh, it was so good and so singular. 232 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,910 I had never seen anything like that before. 233 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:12,180 Once you realize that people are getting sucked up 234 00:13:12,310 --> 00:13:18,360 into this thing and then going through its digestive tract, 235 00:13:18,490 --> 00:13:20,620 I was just like, this is awesome. 236 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:25,280 And then it, like, when it regurgitates 237 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:29,590 all of that blood on the house, that's nightmare imagery. 238 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,900 You never imagine a farmhouse being covered in blood. 239 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:37,030 Jordan takes you inside and you're living what 240 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,510 this character is experiencing. 241 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:44,510 then you pop out for the wide. 242 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:51,650 Every kaiju movie is about nature. 243 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:54,920 And this is absolutely a kaiju film. 244 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:58,750 Even though there's not a fight, it's still a giant monster 245 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,190 and it's eating people, but there is no expectation 246 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,490 that they're going to kill it. 247 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:07,190 Website like Cyber Dominion will 248 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,500 pay $5,000 to $100k for photographic evidence 249 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:11,190 of UFOs and shit. 250 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,670 They just want to take a photo of it. 251 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,950 But it opens up, 252 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,380 you know, into this kind of butterfly. 253 00:14:28,510 --> 00:14:32,430 It's more dangerous because it's beautiful. 254 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,040 But yet, it becomes more lethal when it really reveals itself. 255 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:45,100 It's a film about the feeling of being observed 256 00:14:45,230 --> 00:14:48,320 and the observer. 257 00:14:48,450 --> 00:14:50,190 You can identify with the alien. 258 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,800 You can identify with the band of heroes 259 00:14:54,930 --> 00:14:57,500 because we're all in that space where 260 00:14:57,630 --> 00:15:01,770 we're going back from being the subject to being the watcher. 261 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:03,030 Are we behind the camera? 262 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,380 Or are we in front of the camera? 263 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,520 That's a weird position to be in. 264 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:15,040 And that drives you crazy. 265 00:15:17,870 --> 00:15:19,480 And you see what happens to the monkey. 266 00:15:19,610 --> 00:15:21,310 You see what happens to the monster. 267 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,050 And you see what happens to people of color 268 00:15:25,180 --> 00:15:29,620 when they're treated like cattle to be herded 269 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:32,750 or anything that takes your difference 270 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,190 and makes it a gimmick, something to sell. 271 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,500 So people who say that that movie didn't have the same kind 272 00:15:40,630 --> 00:15:44,500 of cultural, or socioeconomic, or racial undertone the other 273 00:15:44,630 --> 00:15:47,460 two of his films had are wrong. 274 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:48,990 It's right there. 275 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:09,310 They're somewhat slow and lethargic until inflamed 276 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,570 by the smell of blood. 277 00:16:22,930 --> 00:16:24,630 What if circumstances magnified one of them 278 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,760 in size and strength? 279 00:16:26,890 --> 00:16:28,630 Then expect something that's fiercer, 280 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,550 more cruel, and deadly than anything 281 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,680 that ever walked the Earth. 282 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:37,950 There's nothing out there. 283 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:38,990 Nothing in the mist. 284 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,050 Man, as the dominant species of life on Earth, 285 00:16:53,180 --> 00:16:54,700 will probably be extinct. 286 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:08,760 You know, King Kong and Godzilla 287 00:17:08,890 --> 00:17:14,550 are not just film history, but they are cultural iconography. 288 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,120 You know, like, they almost represent like America and Japan 289 00:17:17,250 --> 00:17:20,120 in various ways, but, like, they just are pop culture. 290 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:24,860 Like, they transcend just being, oh, here's these great movies. 291 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:35,610 My all-time favorite giant monster 292 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:40,050 film from the classic era, you've got to go with King Kong. 293 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:42,060 There's a magic to that movie 294 00:17:42,190 --> 00:17:45,540 that is really timeless. 295 00:17:45,670 --> 00:17:48,500 It's still galvanizes you when you watch it. 296 00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:52,460 Did you ever hear of Kong? 297 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:57,200 It's pure fantasy at a time when things like John Carter-- 298 00:17:57,330 --> 00:17:59,680 you know, Burroughs and all that stuff-- 299 00:17:59,810 --> 00:18:01,080 was still so popular. 300 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:04,510 So the idea of going out into the jungle 301 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:10,000 and finding dinosaurs, and giant spiders, and King Kong, 302 00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:12,040 it still felt like that was possible. 303 00:18:12,170 --> 00:18:19,090 There were unknown parts of the world that you could discover. 304 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:21,310 King Kong is worshipped as a god 305 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,790 on this island of natives. 306 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,540 And he's not a bad guy. 307 00:18:27,670 --> 00:18:31,150 He's just a misunderstood big giant ape 308 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,930 who happens to fall in love with Fay Wray 309 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:34,980 because she's just so beautiful. 310 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:39,720 And he actually saves her life. 311 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:43,160 And the human men are horrified by this romance 312 00:18:43,290 --> 00:18:45,210 because he's a giant ape. 313 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:48,510 But we've got something he wants. 314 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Yeah, something he won't get again. 315 00:18:51,690 --> 00:18:56,650 One of the elements of the original film that isn't given 316 00:18:56,780 --> 00:19:00,310 the credit that it's due is the set design of that jungle 317 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,310 and the matte paintings. 318 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,880 It didn't look like a jungle. 319 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:06,140 It looked like a fairy tale. 320 00:19:06,270 --> 00:19:09,360 And that allowed-- the audience's suspension of 321 00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:13,840 disbelief went along with that. 322 00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:16,590 The 1933 Kong, it still holds up 323 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,370 and it's still a pinnacle. 324 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:21,720 And it's still like a masterwork not only of like storytelling 325 00:19:21,850 --> 00:19:24,720 for the era, but like, technically what they were doing 326 00:19:24,850 --> 00:19:28,250 on display in terms of, like, creating this like fully living, 327 00:19:28,380 --> 00:19:31,430 breathing creature, you know, that really was cotton 328 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,390 and rabbit fur, you know, Kong brought that to life in a way 329 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,260 that I don't think anything else had done before. 330 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,090 There's something so moving 331 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:48,880 about him lost in the city and fighting for his life. 332 00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:55,490 He's destructive. 333 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:56,930 He's killing people. 334 00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:58,840 He's smashing planes out of the sky, 335 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:01,720 but we're rooting for him the whole way. 336 00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:07,940 It's not really so much about, oh, no, we were 337 00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:09,550 attacked by a giant monster. 338 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,990 It's really more about we kind of brought something 339 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,770 here that shouldn't have been here 340 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:16,470 that was out of its element. 341 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,470 And we shouldn't have done that. 342 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,430 And it's kind of sad and it's kind of our fault. 343 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,650 A really bitter sweet kind of movie, 344 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:26,440 and that's why I think it really resonated with so many people 345 00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:27,310 and still does. 346 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:37,750 What does it matter? 347 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,060 Airplanes got him. 348 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:40,670 It wasn't the airplanes. 349 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:48,680 It was beauty killed the beast. 350 00:20:48,810 --> 00:20:52,640 Peter Jackson's King Kong was a work of art, technically. 351 00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:55,860 I think the smartest thing about that particular King Kong 352 00:20:55,990 --> 00:21:00,380 was the performance capture utilized 353 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,260 to get that King Kong to be emotive 354 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:09,130 and to be humanized, have the audiences feel 355 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:12,480 the empathy that we had only felt 356 00:21:12,610 --> 00:21:14,090 with the original King Kong. 357 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:15,830 He spanned that distance of time. 358 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:19,320 And it's like Peter Jackson did what the first King Kong did, 359 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:21,620 which was make you feel for it. 360 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:26,500 Peter made a great movie 361 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:30,550 that was sort of a modern retelling of the original film 362 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,760 with modern special effects. 363 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,030 The thing that was lost for me in it 364 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:40,380 was the fact that Kong was no longer a capital-M Movie Monster 365 00:21:40,510 --> 00:21:42,990 who stood upright and was bipedal, 366 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,820 and instead was just turned into a giant kind 367 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:48,080 of silverback gorilla. 368 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:55,920 One of the things that was really important to me 369 00:21:56,050 --> 00:21:57,960 in going into Kong: Skull Island was 370 00:21:58,090 --> 00:22:01,400 bringing back that capital-M Movie Monster vibe. 371 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,060 Early on in my thought process, it 372 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:10,890 was almost like what would have happened if Kong didn't 373 00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:12,500 get taken off the island. 374 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:14,500 Could this Kong actually just be an extension 375 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:15,850 of the older version? 376 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,820 Truly, the first image in my mind 377 00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:30,910 was Kong just silhouetted by the sun set against that orange sky 378 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,390 with the choppers flanking him. 379 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,830 And I've never seen a monster movie 380 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960 where you bleed in, apocalypse now 381 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:41,360 over some insane kaiju battle. 382 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,620 I've just never seen that. 383 00:22:46,750 --> 00:22:49,320 And I think so much of cinema right now 384 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:52,280 and preserving the religious element 385 00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:54,590 of the theatrical experience is like giving people something 386 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,500 they haven't seen before. 387 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:14,740 I don't know what it is about Godzilla that 388 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:19,650 is so compelling to people that it's still 389 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:24,440 much more so than King Kong I think, in a pop cultural sense. 390 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:28,360 People love him and are drawn to him. 391 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:31,010 It appeals to something primal that much 392 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:32,710 more so than King Kong. 393 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,280 You know, Frankenstein is more popular than the Wolfman. 394 00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:36,710 I don't know why. 395 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:47,900 American audiences know this character as Godzilla, 396 00:23:48,030 --> 00:23:51,510 but the name "Gojira" actually is pretty self-explanatory 397 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,470 because it's a combination of "gorilla," 398 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,910 the Japanese pronunciation of gorilla, 399 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,000 and then "kujira," which is the Japanese pronunciation of whale. 400 00:24:01,130 --> 00:24:05,220 So it's this large creature, you mash them together, 401 00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:10,140 and you have a creature that can traverse land and sea. 402 00:24:10,270 --> 00:24:11,920 There would be no Godzilla without The Beast 403 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:13,360 from 20,000 Fathoms. 404 00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:18,450 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 405 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:27,200 The idea of atomic power 406 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:30,940 unleashing a natural predator was really 407 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:33,290 most potent in that film. 408 00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:35,210 When we released the bomb, the heat 409 00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:37,780 generated melted the ice in which this beast 410 00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:40,300 was imprisoned and freed it. 411 00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:42,350 There's a bomb testing. 412 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,260 This ancient dinosaur comes out and wreaks 413 00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:48,090 havoc through America. 414 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:53,490 And from this kind of humble, but very popular movie, 415 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,140 you get Godzilla. 416 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:09,680 And Godzilla takes this idea of nuclear power 417 00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:12,460 unleashing a natural predator. 418 00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:15,640 And gives it a resonance that Beast from 20,000 Fathoms 419 00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:17,380 didn't really have. 420 00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:21,520 Godzilla might be one of the quintessential examples of using 421 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:24,820 horror or sort of fantastic elements 422 00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:27,960 to deal with trauma in a way that maybe if you dealt 423 00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:29,870 with it more directly, then people wouldn't just 424 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,180 wouldn't want to talk about it. 425 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:41,880 This is nine years after the end of World War II. 426 00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:45,150 Think about the atomic bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. 427 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:56,510 And I don't think it was even a complaint that the weapons had 428 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,680 been used against Japan so much as the realization 429 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:04,300 that there was now a new terror in the world. 430 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:07,170 And the representation of this terror 431 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:11,260 would be in the form of this giant monster figure. 432 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:18,570 When you go to the original '54 Gojira, it is 433 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:23,840 a dark story of cultural PTSD. 434 00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:28,840 Then Godzilla became, in the ensuing years, a toy. 435 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:34,810 They sort of redesigned the Godzilla a little bit 436 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:38,770 to seem more kid friendly. 437 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,940 Eyes became a little bit rounder and a little bit more cartoon 438 00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:45,030 like because they realized that Godzilla was 439 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,340 becoming a sort of superhero that kids 440 00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:49,910 really latched on to and loved. 441 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,340 And I was one of those kids. 442 00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:54,830 So I still have a soft spot for that design. 443 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,180 As a kid, you want the giant monster to be your friend. 444 00:26:57,310 --> 00:27:01,620 And with Godzilla, it was fun to cultivate sort of that feeling 445 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:07,360 that he's on our side and he loves us, which is not 446 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:10,320 really where it started at all. 447 00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:12,060 To be a little kid and getting 448 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:17,110 to see this stuff on TV and these bright insane colors 449 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,770 and this music just, ,, you know, 450 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,290 it was just overwhelming. 451 00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:26,860 To this day, if they're on, I watch them. 452 00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:30,300 There's this tendency to want to dismiss the silly films, 453 00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:32,560 but even the ones that maybe don't have a deeper meaning, 454 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:33,910 I also enjoy. 455 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,610 I mean, I'm someone who likes, you know, 456 00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:37,650 Godzilla versus Megalon. 457 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,660 Some people just aren't fans of that. 458 00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:46,790 The Godzilla of Godzilla versus Megalon 459 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,360 is not the Godzilla of the original Gojira. 460 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:53,010 It's an arc in that series where it starts 461 00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:56,060 off very gritty and realistic. 462 00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:59,980 And over time, it becomes a parody of itself. 463 00:28:00,110 --> 00:28:02,980 They go through this cycle. 464 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:05,330 And then they have to reset. 465 00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:06,510 And then they do that a lot. 466 00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:12,470 When I was a kid, Godzilla was more like a hero, you know. 467 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,340 And he was fighting and beating up all other monsters. 468 00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:18,520 And that's what I wanted. 469 00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:22,350 And I knew that, back in 2004, this 470 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,180 is the last opportunity to make old school, man and suit, 471 00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:31,840 Godzilla, which I love. 472 00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:33,920 I knew that, you know, they're going to reboot it, 473 00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:36,410 you know, but it's not going to be like the Godzilla 474 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:39,710 that I loved when I was a kid. 475 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,940 Godzilla can be hero, can be, you know, scary, can be fun. 476 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:48,550 It's just like the final big firework carnival. 477 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,380 So let's have fun. 478 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:15,680 A great Japanese kaiju has a mixture of creature 479 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:17,380 that comes from nature. 480 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:20,860 So there are elements of reptiles or mammals, 481 00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:25,040 but they also have a mythological elements to them, 482 00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:30,000 almost a fantastical aspect to their design. 483 00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:32,170 Typically, they don't just take an animal 484 00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:34,440 that we're familiar with and just, you know, 485 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:36,830 make it 200 feet tall. 486 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,440 There's always flourishes to them. 487 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:43,490 What I find so compelling about the Japanese point of view 488 00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:48,800 is that they are fearless in respects to aesthetics 489 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:53,150 and certain choices about these creatures because they go crazy. 490 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,980 I mean, some of them are absolutely zany. 491 00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:57,070 Did you ever see the movie Big Man Japan? 492 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:08,690 That is nuts. 493 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:11,210 The stuff makes no sense whatsoever 494 00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:12,390 biologically speaking. 495 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,670 But that's what's so wonderful about it. 496 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,630 As a creative person, I realize how stifled my creativity must 497 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,450 be because I could never come up with that kind 498 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:38,410 of wonderful lunacy. 499 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:44,810 For me, Mothra always 500 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:48,420 has a special place in my heart because, ultimately, she 501 00:31:48,550 --> 00:31:50,250 ends up being a mother, right? 502 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:51,080 So there you go. 503 00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:52,120 Come on. 504 00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:55,040 You got to go with the mother. 505 00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:56,780 The idea of, yeah, big moth. 506 00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:59,000 That'll be scary. 507 00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:01,040 Well, how do we summon it? 508 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:05,570 Let's have identical twin tiny people and they'll sing. 509 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,440 Mosuraya, Mosura. 510 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,840 It's like, wait, what? 511 00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:18,020 I remember watching Mothra, and they were on, 512 00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:20,410 and my dad coming in, like, what the hell are you watching? 513 00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:21,630 Because it is hard to explain. 514 00:32:25,980 --> 00:32:27,640 Ghidorah was always my favorite 515 00:32:27,770 --> 00:32:30,160 of the entire Toho stable. 516 00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:32,730 Back in the first run, they tended to, like, 517 00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:34,640 give the monsters human qualities, 518 00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,950 and anthropomorphize them a little, 519 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,910 and kind of made them almost cuddly. 520 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Ghidorah was the one who didn't. 521 00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:46,830 Ghidorah was a vicious bastard in every film he appeared in. 522 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,140 And, you know, it's a great design. 523 00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:50,920 It's like a classical dragon with three 524 00:32:51,050 --> 00:32:52,880 heads and the golden color. 525 00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:54,920 It's just a very striking creature to look at. 526 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:08,850 Gamera is my second favorite giant 527 00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:12,160 monster kaiju from Japanese kaiju monster movies. 528 00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:13,640 He is a turtle. 529 00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:16,600 He's essentially like Mothra, represents 530 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:18,990 the good and the heroic. 531 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,130 And he inspires hope in people that 532 00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:24,690 are being attacked by other giant kaijus 533 00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:26,430 or other forms of evil. 534 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,530 Now those films are really kind of silly, 535 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,790 and Gamera is fighting a monster that 536 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,450 was basically a giant butcher knife with eyes and legs. 537 00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:46,110 And then Shusuke Kaneko came along in the '90s 538 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,760 and completely reimagined the character, put him 539 00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:53,200 into a series of serious, mature, beautifully 540 00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:55,900 crafted films starting with Gamera: 541 00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:59,550 Guardian of the Universe. 542 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,300 Then Gamera 3, I think is, out of all 543 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:06,910 the Japanese kaiju films from any studio, it's my favorite. 544 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,910 It has a really powerful story. 545 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000 It has some really interesting themes to it. 546 00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:15,530 It has amazing monster action. 547 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:19,790 And it is just shot and composed and dramatized in a really, 548 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,970 really powerful way. 549 00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:26,880 The Gamera 3 takes a goofy impossible character 550 00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:30,060 and turns it into a pretty serious film 551 00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:33,810 about the poisonous effects of anger and revenge 552 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:36,070 on the human soul. 553 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:42,250 Japan had a closed society for 400 years 554 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:44,950 in which access to the country was strictly 555 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,170 limited that undoubtedly has shaped 556 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:53,390 a kind of cultural sensibility for many, many years, centuries 557 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,870 after. 558 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,090 And maybe kaiju are a place where some of this 559 00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:00,220 gets worked through and worked out 560 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:06,580 this idea of things coming from outside, from beneath the ocean, 561 00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:09,450 from the sky. 562 00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:12,630 So all of these things being dislodged from the Earth 563 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,110 and coming strangely enough at Japan. 564 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,300 Before Bong Joon-ho directed Parasite, 565 00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:33,130 he directed The Host, which is a giant monster film which 566 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:40,390 is actually about income inequality in South Korea, 567 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:48,580 but by extension, and throughout the industrial capitalist world. 568 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:52,280 And so you do get the thrills of a giant monster movie, 569 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:57,060 but you also get this kind of touching, funny, slightly 570 00:35:57,190 --> 00:36:00,810 heartbreaking story about people who are living on the margins 571 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:02,330 because they're living, you know, 572 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:03,680 making it paycheck to paycheck. 573 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,080 You know, the first 30 minutes of that film 574 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:25,270 from meeting the family and the river attack, 575 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,050 that's perfect filmmaking. 576 00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:51,120 And the creature, that in itself feels fresh. 577 00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:54,290 And it was so inelegant in the way that it moved 578 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:56,510 and the way that it almost tripped over itself. 579 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,910 And you just had this sense that it lived a pained existence. 580 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:10,880 The beauty of his filmmaking is all of the set 581 00:37:11,010 --> 00:37:15,400 pieces relate to character. 582 00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:18,450 When this monster starts tearing through things, 583 00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:23,670 in the panic, he loses track of his daughter, 584 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,150 tries to rescue her, grabs the wrong girl's hand. 585 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,550 Looks behind him and the one thing 586 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,940 that he was supposed to do right, 587 00:37:31,070 --> 00:37:32,420 which is protect his daughter, fails. 588 00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:41,600 And you have that great shot of her just 589 00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:43,560 there, as like, you know, it's framed 590 00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:48,220 in a way where the creature isn't even fully in the shot. 591 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,390 Its tail grabs her and rips her out of the frame. 592 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:09,890 So this family who have had this rough patchy relationship 593 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:13,290 now have to come together to break away from the government 594 00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:15,420 that's trying to keep them quarantined 595 00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:17,640 to go find this missing girl. 596 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:33,480 It was layered with great creature design, cool ideas, 597 00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:37,180 and then this Korean point of view that was-- 598 00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:39,620 all of it was different than what I was expecting. 599 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:43,270 So the film kind of left me gobsmacked at the end of it. 600 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,930 I was like, this was powerful. 601 00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:47,800 Bong Joon-ho and that movie, like, 602 00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:52,110 it's just such an incredible piece of filmmaking where all 603 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,370 of the spectacle, all of the genre, 604 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,810 all of the things that people would normally write off 605 00:38:56,940 --> 00:39:00,460 as, like, oh, it's just monsters running around, whatever, like, 606 00:39:00,590 --> 00:39:02,470 it's all based in character, and it's all 607 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,640 based in like relationships. 608 00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:56,260 Let's do this. 609 00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:25,770 The less said about the Roland 610 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,460 Emmerich Godzilla, the better. 611 00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:29,900 But I have to say, I was very impressed 612 00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:32,380 with the first American Godzilla of the trilogy 613 00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:35,380 that came out more recently, Gareth Edwards' film. 614 00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:39,910 Gareth Edwards made this film called 615 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,350 Monsters before Godzilla. 616 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,650 It was really one of those DIY efforts 617 00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:46,700 where Gareth had a hand in everything 618 00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:50,010 even the VFX and creation of the monsters themselves, 619 00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:52,230 but it was one of those kind of handheld, you know, 620 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,360 found footage movies. 621 00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:57,320 The monsters were just used sparingly. 622 00:41:00,020 --> 00:41:01,630 And, you know, he did the same thing 623 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,720 with Godzilla for better or for worse or to the detriment 624 00:41:04,850 --> 00:41:06,370 of some fans. 625 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:07,460 Open fire! 626 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,730 But it was smart, you know. 627 00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:16,340 It was just smart to blend that kind of docu style 628 00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:17,950 to both movies. 629 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,690 I really enjoyed the fact that it was shot from kind 630 00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:22,820 of a human's eye view in a sense where 631 00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:25,780 you don't quite see everything that's going on as you wouldn't. 632 00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:27,920 If Godzilla was really rampaging through your city, 633 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:29,480 you would not get a great look at him. 634 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,570 Edwards really kind of choreographed the whole thing 635 00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:36,270 in such a way that you really identified 636 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,620 with the people looking at this giant monster 637 00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:39,970 that's come to destroy them. 638 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,280 We've just been wired and coded 639 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:50,980 that when we see a giant monster movie, 640 00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:52,770 we got to get the spectacle. 641 00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:55,510 And so I respect Gareth for doing what he did. 642 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,210 And then, of course, Mike Dougherty steps in, 643 00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:58,990 and he's like, here we go. 644 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,160 Let me give you-- 645 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:01,560 let me give you all the monsters, 646 00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:03,170 and you're going to see them all the time. 647 00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:15,700 It's tough because there's 648 00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:17,140 a lot of baggage. 649 00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:18,880 Whenever you're dealing with a legacy character, 650 00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:22,880 there are expectations that the fans have. 651 00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:26,540 But at the same time, you can't craft a movie just for the fans 652 00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:30,110 because then you're alienating your larger general audience. 653 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,940 So you have to find the right balance between the two. 654 00:42:33,070 --> 00:42:34,720 Dougherty's movie, I mean, I don't know what 655 00:42:34,850 --> 00:42:37,460 else you could want, you know? 656 00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:39,420 I mean, I still watch every once in a while. 657 00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:42,420 I'll throw the Rodan attack scene where Rodan 658 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,860 shows up for the first time. 659 00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:51,170 Bear McCreary's music is just like, boom, boom, boom, boom. 660 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,260 We got jet fighters flying in. 661 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,090 Rodan doing spins. 662 00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:07,190 I get chills even thinking about it. 663 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,540 I'm like, this is exactly what I want from a kaiju movie. 664 00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:10,710 This is incredible. 665 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,540 When I came on board, they said, 666 00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:14,200 well, we want to do a sequel. 667 00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:18,370 Would you mind using Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah? 668 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,380 And I was like, yes. 669 00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:24,730 Like, no, I would not mind. 670 00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:26,820 I mean, that's just like the best party in the world 671 00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:28,080 this to go hang out with that crew. 672 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,560 I actually wanted to use more. 673 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:36,390 But then Adam Wingard just went, I'm going to top that. 674 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,180 I'm going to give you a buddy movie, where King Kong is 675 00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:43,700 the hero, and he's John McClane, and he's 676 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:47,010 going to take on Godzilla. 677 00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:48,970 Godzilla versus Kong has 678 00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,320 a gorilla that uses a magic ax. 679 00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:57,590 It's like-- and it's funny. 680 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,240 I believe King Kong. 681 00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:01,850 I don't believe he would use an ax. 682 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:03,330 You draw your own line. 683 00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:10,640 Godzilla versus Kong, I thought 684 00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:17,650 was very fun and a welcome surprise, but it just-- 685 00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:20,910 we haven't figured out how to make you feel anything the way 686 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,570 that you felt something with the first Godzilla. 687 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,270 We just haven't figured it out because he's not ours. 688 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,440 He doesn't belong to us. 689 00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:28,440 He belongs to them. 690 00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:29,840 He belongs to the Japanese. 691 00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:37,150 I think any good franchise, it's 692 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,630 able to constantly reboot itself to reflect 693 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,020 the fears of the time. 694 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:46,420 And so if the first Godzilla film 695 00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:49,680 was reflecting fear of the nuclear age, 696 00:44:49,810 --> 00:44:53,950 then you get to like Hedorah. 697 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,820 You know, he was called the smog monster which 698 00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:58,690 is way less cool in America. 699 00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:03,830 But, you know, Hedorah is technically an alien, 700 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,440 but he feeds off pollution. 701 00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:07,220 And that was coming out in the '70s 702 00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:10,700 when, like, Tokyo was famously gross polluted city. 703 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,670 And to me, in addition to Hedorah being, 704 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,890 you know, symbolism for, like, Tokyo and pollution, 705 00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:28,020 he's just a great foe in that canon. 706 00:45:30,590 --> 00:45:33,200 The Godzilla films always started as a response 707 00:45:33,330 --> 00:45:35,770 to things that were affecting the Japanese people. 708 00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:38,080 And the same thing with Shin Godzilla. 709 00:45:47,830 --> 00:45:50,180 It's hard not to see that film, which 710 00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:54,880 was released in 2016, as a reflection on Japan's response 711 00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:58,580 to 2011, the earthquake, tsunami, and the nuclear crisis 712 00:45:58,710 --> 00:46:00,750 with the Fukushima nuclear reactor. 713 00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:10,110 And Japanese government's 714 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,330 inability to respond quickly, and swiftly, 715 00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:14,640 and protect its citizens. 716 00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:26,950 It is a funny movie, but it is about almost like 717 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,260 Terry Gilliam Brazil-esque in terms 718 00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:31,960 of the madness of bureaucracy. 719 00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:34,530 Like, let's have a meeting to have a meeting about having 720 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:39,050 a meeting about how we deal with a giant kaiju in this country. 721 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,150 Godzilla's outside, and I'm stuck in meetings. 722 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,670 But that was part of the point that we 723 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,980 have to deal with bureaucracy and decision making. 724 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,500 And I get it, and it's great. 725 00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:57,460 But Godzilla Minus One is a whole different level 726 00:46:57,590 --> 00:46:58,640 of Godzilla movie. 727 00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:10,690 And if it weren't for the original Godzilla, 728 00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:14,350 I would say it's the best. 729 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,130 It's really, really delving 730 00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:22,490 into characterization, and not only that, but the waste 731 00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:24,710 and the horror of war itself. 732 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,670 You can almost take Godzilla out of Godzilla Minus One 733 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,930 and you would still have a hugely compelling 734 00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:39,810 story, the devastation of war from the Japanese point of view. 735 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:43,290 I really haven't seen that many films that I think really 736 00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:49,950 tackle what it felt like to have gone through this experience. 737 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,730 Midway through, there's possibly 738 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:55,390 the greatest Godzilla destroys a district 739 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,610 in Japan sequence ever filmed. 740 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,570 There's this thing that happens with this tail 741 00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:07,530 where his spikes jut out. 742 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:13,490 And, you know, like, something really, really bad 743 00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:14,410 is about to happen. 744 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,370 It had me crying, which I had no idea would be 745 00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:22,070 happening in a Godzilla movie. 746 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,200 The Godzilla monster effects are so much fun. 747 00:48:27,330 --> 00:48:29,380 The devastation is, of course, everything 748 00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:34,340 you want from a Godzilla movie, but it has this beautiful core 749 00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:37,870 that you walk out of the theater feeling like, yes, human life 750 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,910 is precious, every single one. 751 00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:46,220 And that's not what you expect from a Godzilla movie. 752 00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:59,240 Ultimately, there's something about kaiju 753 00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:01,240 that is very cinematic, right? 754 00:49:01,370 --> 00:49:02,670 You go to the movie theater. 755 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,500 You look at the big screen. 756 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:09,770 And so things were better suited to the big screen 757 00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:12,120 than big monsters destroying cities, right? 758 00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:20,080 The appeal of giant monsters and kaiju 759 00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:27,790 is that these are forces so big, so beyond our control 760 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,740 that we can't even begin to truly 761 00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:31,530 defend ourselves against them. 762 00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:34,880 In fact, they sometimes don't even really notice we're there. 763 00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:39,930 Like, it gives us the impression of how we treat insects, 764 00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:43,110 how we crush their houses, and step 765 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,760 on them like they're nothing. 766 00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:50,590 I think this is very true of most monsters and most kaiju, 767 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,380 which is that at the end of the day, 768 00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:54,860 there's actually like an intense tragedy to them 769 00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:56,990 and an intense loneliness to them. 770 00:50:00,510 --> 00:50:05,390 Whether be King Kong, or Godzilla, or any monsters, 771 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,740 everybody, every day, the most painful thing 772 00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:10,520 that happens over and over again is that you're misunderstood. 773 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,270 And to me, kaiju and monster films just 774 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,540 fundamentally tap into that core feeling of being misunderstood. 775 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,510 I believe he is the power. 776 00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:46,910 Mothra. 777 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,740 Gamera. 778 00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:04,190 Have you found anything yet? 779 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,670 - Say over. - I just said it. 780 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,410 I know. Say it again. 781 00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:08,060 Oh, over. 782 00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:14,410 I know an enemy when I see it. 783 00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:24,420 Two, three. 784 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,920 We can capture him alive. 785 00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:43,790 Why, you're crazy. 786 00:52:02,110 --> 00:52:04,290 Man: There's been a lot of great Japanese horror films 787 00:52:04,420 --> 00:52:06,340 that are very moody and subtle. 788 00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:08,340 And then on the other side of the coin, 789 00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:10,730 you have movies that are absolutely out of their minds. 790 00:52:12,690 --> 00:52:15,080 This guy has been shoving metal into his own leg. 791 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:18,570 Man #2: 40 kids or whatever killing each other 792 00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:20,440 in the most brutal of ways. 793 00:52:20,570 --> 00:52:21,570 Man #1: You could just feel everyone just be like, 794 00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:23,830 "Oh, my God." 62148

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