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[fans cheering]
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[chanting]
Hip! Hip! Hip!
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["Blow at High Dough"]
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[Denise Donlon] The Tragically Hip
were more than a rock 'n roll band.
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Right from the beginning,
to those final moments on the stage,
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there was something magic there.
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[Randy Lennox] Ireland will have U2.
The UK will have the Beatles.
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In Canada, we'll have The Tragically Hip.
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♪ They shot a movie once
In your hometown ♪
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♪ Everybody was in it
From miles around ♪
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♪ Out at the speedway ♪
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♪ Some kind of Elvis thing ♪
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♪ Well, I ain't no movie star ♪
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♪ But I can get behind anything ♪
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♪ Yeah, I can get behind anything ♪
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I remember watching them
going, "Holy fuck!
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These guys are from Canada
and they're so good."
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♪ Get it out
Yeah, get it all out ♪
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[Jay Baruchel]
Having the biggest band in the country
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singing songs and telling stories
about us,
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giving a soundtrack to this beautiful,
powerful, important country.
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They were just doing
what they were inspired by.
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I mean, was there ever
a more authentic Canadian artist?
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♪ When you blow at high dough ♪
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[Bruce] They had the audience
in the palm of their hand.
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And who is this weird guy
spewing poetry in front?
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["Ahead by a Century"]
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Gord Downie had the poetry and lyricism
of a brilliant, brilliant writer,
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and he was the perfect frontman
for this powerhouse all-Canadian band.
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[Rob Baker] So many bands come along
and last four months,
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six months, a year. We all plan
on doing it for a long time, together.
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♪ No dress rehearsal ♪
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♪ This is our life ♪
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[fans cheer]
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Thank you. Thank you. Good night.
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[reporter]
We have some very tough news.
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Gord Downie has been diagnosed
with terminal brain cancer.
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[Geddy Lee] It was remarkable
to see an entire country
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glued to this farewell performance.
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[reporter] Today The Nation mourns
the death of Gord Downie.
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He died at the age of 53.
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I just heard that morning
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and I knew it was coming, but
I didn't want to think about it coming.
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[Finny McConnell] The legacy is the most
unique, crazy, wonderful, tragic
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and artistic, loving story that'll ever
be told in rock 'n' roll in this country.
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And now without further ado:
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Gord Sinclair,
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Gord Downie, Johnny Fay,
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Robbie Baker and Paul Langlois.
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[Mike Downie]
Paul are you ready to get started?
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I'm ready.
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♪ They shot a movie once
In my hometown ♪
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♪ Everybody was in it
From miles around ♪
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[Man] Gordon Downie,
The Tragically Hip. Good.
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Thank you, tape number K.
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[Gord Downie] When I was 16,
I mean, I wanted to be in a band,
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and I wanted to tour around, you know.
I wanted to come to Florida.
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Well, maybe not Florida, but I wanted
to come, you know, and tour.
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Then, when you get,
you know, you're 18
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you just keep readjusting how
you actually thought it would turn out.
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I had no idea you know what it,
what it entails, what it means.
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You know, it's a real carrot-on-a-stick
kind of business.
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And at the same time,
it's what you always...
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you have to keep reminding yourself
it's what you always wanted to do.
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[Paul Langlois]
We spend a lot of time in here.
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The van is a fact of life with touring.
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First thing we did was
get a good stereo.
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[music playing on stereo]
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Every new trip, you know,
guys make different compilations
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and see who can
make the better ones. And...
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["View Master" by Eric's Trip]
♪ In my stereo ♪
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♪ A view master ♪
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If any of us were in another band,
I don't think we'd be able to do it
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because we wouldn't be in another band
with our friends.
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We'd be kinda with guys we work with.
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Makes it more special
that we know each other really well.
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So, a really good gig becomes even better,
and a really bad one isn't quite as bad
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because, you know,
at least there were four other guys
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looking at the floor with you.
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[Gord Sinclair]
This sort of era set the template
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for what we did our entire career.
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It was kind of always about the next gig,
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and having the chance
to actually have a next gig.
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And then, that kind of morphed
into the chance to make another record.
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It was the time of our lives,
we had a riot, you know.
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[Johnny] It was a bonding experience,
getting in a van
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and driving with the gear.
You always know whatever you go through
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with these guys you know,
you can always rely on them,
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and that's true friendship.
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I feel real secure in the knowledge
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that the band will never
physically break up.
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The only conflicts we ever have
are like any conflict
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you'd have with your best friend.
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They're stupid things, like
the guy's feet smell on a particular day.
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[Gord Downie] Relaxation is the key.
This morning we had a few sets of tennis,
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bit o' Goonie golf, followed by a massage,
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and maybe
a nice low-carbohydrate meal.
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I dunno. Fuck, I'm playing golf.
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[Rob Baker]
It's a good time. You just feel like
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you're out collecting ideas and
experiences, which become songs.
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This is what we set out to do. No one
can take it away from us. We've made it.
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We were making records,
and we were playing killer live shows
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all over North America and Europe.
And we just thought,
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"Yeah, this is exactly what we wanted."
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We were tight friends,
firing on all cylinders.
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And just really, truly were
having the time of our lives.
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["New Orleans Is Sinking"]
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♪ Pale as a light bulb
Hanging on a wire ♪
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♪ Sucking up to someone
Just to stoke the fire ♪
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♪ Picking out the highlights
Of the scenery ♪
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♪ Saw some little clouds
They looked a little like me ♪
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♪ I had my hands in the river
My feet back up on the banks ♪
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♪ Looked up to the Lord above
And said, "Hey, psycho, thanks" ♪
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♪ Sometimes I feel so good
I gotta scream ♪
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♪ She said, "Gordie baby
I know exactly what you mean" ♪
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♪ She said, she said
I swear to God she said ♪
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♪ My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in? ♪
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♪ New Orleans is sinking, man
And I don't wanna swim ♪
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♪ Swim! ♪
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[fans cheer]
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[Gord Downie]
A tour like this is like a huge reward.
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It's one of those things
you probably are more likely
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to put up on your
memories trophies shelf.
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[cheering]
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-[pops]
-Whoa!
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So, we enjoy it. We revel in it.
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Happy Birthday, bro.
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Just in the ability
to have this experience,
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you know, this once in a lifetime thing.
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[interviewer] Are these the kind of guys
you'd hang around with
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even if they weren't in a band with you?
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I'm sure I would. We see each other now
when we get off the road,
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and we know each other, you know?
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We're in a bar in Kingston,
and it's like... and we get together.
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We don't avoid each other,
and we have fun.
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We have more fun off the road
than on the road, I think.
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-[man] Are you rolling, Steve?
-[Steve] Yep.
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[Steve]
Have you heard about the Tragically Hip?
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-Yeah!
-Yeah!
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-[man] Tell us a bit about 'em.
-They're the best!
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-[man] Where they from?
-Kingston.
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-[bus starts]
-Gotta go.
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[ferry horn blows]
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["Are We Family"]
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[narrator]
And here's the city of Kingston,
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the oldest settlement in Upper Canada.
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[Gord] Everywhere we go,
we say we're from Kingston,
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and we, you know, we praise its,
its Kingston-ness.
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[narrator] Today, Kingston's
inventory of institutions
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includes federal prisons,
the Royal Military College,
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and its noted university, Queen's.
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[Tom Wilson] I always found Kingston
had a very rigid dividing line
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between wealth and knowledge,
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{\an8}and poverty and survival.
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So, you do get both cultures
running through your veins.
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[Bruce] Growing up in Kingston,
there's something about
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that little working-class,
sort of, town that is The Hip.
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They got to just hone their thing
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{\an8}in this little, unique, but sort of,
obvious Canadian city.
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♪ It's only human to want to
Inhabit every feeling you've got ♪
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♪ And more often than not
Let's take it to the nth degree ♪
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♪ Here he goes, "Give me ten bucks
And a head start" ♪
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♪ Here's where he goes,
"The puzzle's pulling apart" ♪
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♪ And here's the scene
You're yelling calmly up the street ♪
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♪ "Are we family?"
Or what? ♪
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{\an8}I think that so much of
The Tragically Hip story was Kingston.
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The band isn't the band
without Kingston, Ontario.
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{\an8}"Oh, Kingston. That's down the 401
between Montreal and Toronto."
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{\an8}No. Kingston is the town
that built The Hip.
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♪ And here's the scene where
You whisper down the crookedest street ♪
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♪ "Are we family?"
Or what? ♪
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♪ Are we family
When it's only if not when ♪
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♪ Sisters and brothers
Wolf, wolf lover ♪
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♪ And the boy who stamped too many ants?
Are we family? ♪
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[interviewer] In terms of
history of the band, how did it start?
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We all went to the same high school,
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and it was sort of like a solar eclipse.
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Johnny was in grade 9,
Robbie and Gord were in 13,
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and Paul and I were both in grade 11.
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[school bell ringing]
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["Let's Shake" by Teenage Head]
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{\an8}[Rob Baker] I have thought about
this place a lot, KCVI.
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{\an8}The high school years are really important
for everyone, on some level.
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[Johnny Fay] KCVI
has been part of our connective tissue.
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{\an8}I think that that really kinda
was our real, initial bond.
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♪ Give me that opener
Give me that beer ♪
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{\an8}I'd skipped a grade in elementary school,
and I was a November kid,
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so I was green behind the ears,
trying to keep my head down
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and not get beat up.
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♪ C'mon, let's shake
Ooh, let's shake ♪
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♪ C'mon, shake... ♪
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I loved the parties,
and I played sports.
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{\an8}I was a decent student
until the dope got the better of that.
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But I was pretty good
for a while. [laughs]
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[Paul] First day of grade 11,
probably the first period,
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{\an8}there's a new kid sittin' beside me,
and it was Gord. Gord Downie.
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♪ Don't make me blush... ♪
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I remember just kind of seeing him
around the hallways,
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and he always had a book
tucked under his arm,
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and the other arm,
he had a cheerleader. [laughs]
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{\an8}He definitely had drive and passion.
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He was such a reader, so into music,
so into poetry.
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There was just something so engaging
about Gord.
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He surprised me by saying, "I know you."
I'm like, "You, you know me?"
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"Yeah, you broke into a store."
I'm like, "What?"
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"Well, such and such has been blabbin'
about it all over Amherstview."
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I'm like, "Seriously?"
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It was a drunken break and enter
that was my friend's fault.
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But if it hadn't have happened,
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I wouldn't have met Gord and
clicked with him immediately.
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♪ Let's shake! ♪
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[Gord Sinclair] We moved
to our house on Churchill Crescent,
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which is right across from Rob's
Mom and Dad, in 1966.
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[Rob]
Gord moved in across the street from me
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when he was about one and a half.
I think I was three.
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Gordie and I played in the sandbox.
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We've kind of been playin' together,
in some form, ever since then.
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[Gord Sinclair] My mom and dad
were both super, super musical.
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They had a great record collection.
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My mom was a classically trained pianist.
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[piano music]
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[Rob] And she attempted
to teach me a little bit.
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And she taught Gord and
his little brother, Colin, as well.
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Gord was one of those guys
who could pick up any instrument.
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Very good bagpipe player.
It was pretty crazy.
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It was something that I'd grown up with
my whole life, so in retrospect,
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I was really, really fortunate.
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[Rob] My sister had a guitar
that she never touched,
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and I would listen to music
and pretend I was rockin' out.
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Then I'd graduate to the tennis racquet,
and I'd leap off the furniture
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listening to Led Zeppelin
and David Bowie records.
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My parents were always
very encouraging about it.
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I think for my 12th birthday,
they got me a guitar.
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[Gord Sinclair]
Then, one day in grade 10,
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Robbie announced,
"I'm gonna put a band together
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and you're gonna be the bass player."
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[Rob]
It seems like it was a week later,
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a little trainer bass-amp and
a bass, and we were on our way.
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Now, we need a drummer.
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We're walking home after stage band,
Robby was behind me,
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and he says, "Can I talk to you?"
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He said, "Gord and I
are putting a band together.
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We need a drummer, you interested?"
I said, "Yeah!"
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[Rob] It became
Rick and the Rodents because
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you should always name your band
after the drummer.
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{\an8}Rick and the Rodents. And I'm like,
"Well, that's kinda silly.
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{\an8}It's the drummer sitting in the back."
And he goes, "That's the trick."
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I don't know.
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["I Fought the Law" by The Clash]
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It felt like we had something on the go.
I guess, by grade 12,
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our musical taste kinda grew
and changed together.
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♪ Breakin' rocks in the hot sun ♪
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♪ I fought the law and the law won ♪
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When punk rock first came out,
you know,
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the Sex Pistols' first record,
that was a big changing moment.
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There was an energy that was
inescapable for me.
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I really caught onto it.
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We kinda became Clash devotees.
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Learned the Sex Pistols album in a day
and played everything on that.
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[crowd cheering]
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KC decided to have a punk dance.
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We were it. We were the high school band,
and so we got the gig.
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[Rob]
That's a big deal in high school.
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So much of your personal identity
is wrapped up in that moment,
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and you've never really done this,
been on stage. It was huge.
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[Johnny] They definitely
tweaked the interest of people.
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You're in high school and
you see these guys playing a gig.
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You're like, "Wow, maybe I can do that."
It was pretty inspiring to see them.
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Everyone considered them
ahead of their time and super cool.
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[Rob] We played one dance
at the end of grade 12.
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When we were in grade 13, there was
a competing band, which was The Slinks.
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[Steve Holy] I saw Rick and
the Rodents play. KC talent show.
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{\an8}And I thought,
"I want to be on that stage."
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[Andrew Fontini] Rick and the Rodents,
they were a year older than us.
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They had very much, like, a punk,
Sex Pistols, Clash, thing going on.
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{\an8}And we were gonna offer something,
you know, different.
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[Steve] So, we started our band.
That would be in the summer of 1980.
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It was a foggy night in June,
and we were playing a party,
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and a guy came up and requested
if he could sit in with the band.
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You might have heard of him.
His name is Gord Downie.
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[Gord Downie]
I got way into it, fast.
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{\an8}It's incredible. It was just so cool.
It felt really good.
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[Steve]
It was the first time he'd ever
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played any kind of music with people.
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[Gord Downie] At 16,
you just want to get into a band and play.
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You don't even know why.
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He hadn't said he wanted to sing.
He listened to a lot of music.
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He was probably thinking about it.
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[Heather] He was so into music.
Various bands and performers, leading men.
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He loved Jim Morrison.
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I think the belt buckle thing
comes from Jim Morrison.
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He kinda looked like him, too.
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[Steve] He loved to dance.
His physicality being on the stage,
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it was almost like it was
just born into him.
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[Patrick Downie]
All that showmanship was there, for sure.
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{\an8}He was a natural leader
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and not afraid to,
sort of, stand in front of a crowd.
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[Charlyn Downie]
Always, in Gord, he was an entertainer.
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{\an8}He also was mischievous and very funny.
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{\an8}I knew he had a good ear
because when he was young,
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{\an8}I would be listening on the radio
to classical music
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and when it was over,
you would hear him humming these tunes.
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Sort of thought
he would make a fine choirboy.
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Which, uh, didn't come to pass.
[chuckles] No.
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The first gig I saw with Gord
was in this gym.
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[man over PA]
The Slinks are gonna come on now.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[student over PA]
We're doing a song by Teenage Head.
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["Let's Shake" by Teenage Head]
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He was dressed up in a blazer and
he was dancing, not just standing there.
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♪ Give me that opener
Give me that beer ♪
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♪ Move your ass
On out of here ♪
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I remember being floored
with how good he was.
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That's probably where he discovered,
you know, "I can be someone to watch."
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I don't think he knew that going in.
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♪ C'mon, baby, let's shake! ♪
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[students cheering]
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[Rob] I would have become aware of Gord
around the time of The Slinks dance.
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He was a dynamic frontman,
hard to take your eyes off him.
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[Andrew] We played together
for two and a half years.
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First, he's a guy,
we're letting you sing in the band.
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Then he thinks of it as the platform
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from which he's gonna grow and develop.
Like, "I want to perform.
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I want to dance, to be a rock singer,
to write poetry."
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[girl]
Gord!
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[Andrew] But the band didn't think
that Gord had what it took
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to be like a lead singer
of a rock band.
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[Steve] Gord's instrument was his voice,
and it was the voice of a teenager.
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He was a sitting duck for criticism.
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And he was very hard on himself.
Extremely hard on himself.
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[Andrew]
Rather than kick Gord out,
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we told him we were gonna end the band
and pursue other things.
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We immediately took the whole band,
except Gord,
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and started playing with two other guys.
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That was the end of The Slinks.
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So, I think that was painful for him.
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But I think he, sort of,
didn't really miss a beat
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because after high school,
he and Finton McConnell
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put together a band
to work as The Filters.
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[knock at door]
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-Finton.
-Mookie.
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How are ya, my brother?
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-C'mon in, brother.
-Okay, comin'.
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I've got some stuff for you.
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Ah!
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I made a little record for ya.
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So, basically what happened was,
I was in The Filters with Gord.
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I needed to get a band
I could play in my dad's bar. All right?
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Do you want me to look in there
or what way?
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I came up with the idea of asking Gord
to start a band with me and my drummer,
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and him and his bass player.
And then, Gord suggested,
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"Could we get Rob in the band,
from The Rodents?"
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He's the only guy with any fuckin' talent
here, I need to say.
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[Rob]
We had just finished high school
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and my high school band,
The Rodents, was done.
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Sinclair was going
to Queen's University in Kingston.
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And, in fact, Gord Sinclair and I weren't
really playing together at that time.
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So, the idea of being in a band
with Gord Downie was very appealing.
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I was very mercenary
about the whole thing, and I said, "Well,
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my rate is $50 a night and
all my drinks free."
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[laughs] Thinking that I was pricing
myself out of the market or something.
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[interviewer]
What did you have for breakfast?
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What'd I have for breakfast?
I had two beers and an aspirin.
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I was always a big fan of Rob Baker.
He was my guitar hero in high school.
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Bit of a star, you know. All the hair
and the nice suits and stuff.
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I just love Rob's style, too.
He plays a sexy kind of guitar.
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Kinda slides in and out between the notes
and does all these really nice sounds.
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And he adds atmosphere to the music.
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We all kind of felt, if you get Rob
in your band, you kinda made it. [laughs]
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This is us. We were 18 years old.
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♪ Well it sounds so sweet
I had to take me a chance ♪
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♪ Started movin' my feet
Whoa to clappin' my hands ♪
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[Finny]
Then we rocked out. Ready?
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♪ I said the joint was rockin'
Goin' round and round ♪
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That was probably the best learning
experience I ever had as a musician,
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playing those first gigs in the bars.
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These people, we had to please them
and impress them.
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If they weren't impressed,
they'd let us know.
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["Baby, Please Don't Go"]
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[Rob] Gord and I were
both going to Queen's at the time
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and suddenly we were playing gigs,
you know, sometimes,
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four, five nights a week.
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We were rock 'n' roll school 101.
Literally going to the school of rock.
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♪ Baby, please don't go
Baby, please don't go ♪
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♪ Baby, please don't go
Down to New Orleans ♪
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A year and a bit later,
The Filters had become too much work,
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and Gord felt exactly the same way.
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It was getting a little hard to
go to school and play in this band.
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Gord Downie said,
"Why don't we form a band
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with some buddies at Queen's
and do it for fun."
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[Gord Sinclair] We started
talkin' to Robbie, more and more,
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about startin' to play together and sure
enough, we started to jam together again.
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[Finny] Sinclair's a fantastic musician,
a fantastic bass player.
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Always been with Rob.
They're like a team,
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and they play together perfectly. I
don't think they even look at each other.
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[Gord Sinclair]
We were third year at university,
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and it just slowly became the thing.
This is what we wanted to do.
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[Rob] Gord Downie said, "there's a guy,
I think he's still in KC..."
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Who are you? Smarty pants!
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[Rob] "...and he's supposed to be
a really kind of hotshot drummer."
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While I was in high school,
I really wasn't in a band.
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I was just kinda studying,
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until grade 11 or 12,
when Gord Downie called and said,
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you wanna come audition
for this band we're starting?
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Ladies and Gentlemen, it's about time
to introduce our drummer.
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Now that I've got your attention.
His name is Mr. John Fay.
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[crowd cheers]
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Sweet Jane.
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[Johnny] This was the first gig
we played in a Kingston bar.
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It was a pretty heavy moment.
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The stage was like right here,
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'cause I remember...
I remember resting pints right here.
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♪ Standing on a corner ♪
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♪ A suitcase in my hand ♪
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♪ Jack is in his corset
Jane is in her vest ♪
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♪ Hey, honey,
I'm in a rock'n'roll band ♪
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[Mike]
What's down here, Johnny?
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[Johnny] This was the dressing room
that we used back in the day.
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And, um... you know,
our seats were the, uh, beer cases.
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I actually did some homework
down here.
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Robbie was in charge of English and
Gord Sinclair was the historian.
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I remember doing a Great Gatsby paper
that was due at nine o'clock.
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I'm sure it was 12:30.
I was in between the third set.
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Hi, this is Katie Tucker for Around Town.
And we're here in St. Catharine's
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at the Hideaway with the one and only,
The Tragically Hip. Hi, guys.
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-Hey, Katie.
-This is Gord here, and Rob.
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-Hi, I'm Gord.
-Rob.
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First of all, where did you guys
get a name like The Tragically Hip?
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We were booked to play
the Kingston Artists' Association
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as The Bedspring Symphony Orchestra.
And at the last minute,
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we changed our name to The Tragically Hip.
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Quite fortuitously, I would suggest.
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[Gord Sinclair] I grew up
watching the Monkees on TV
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and Mike Nesmith had done
a longform show called Elephant Parts,
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which is a series
of music-based film vignettes,
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one of which was the foundation
for The Tragically Hip.
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It's a happy sight, isn't it,
children playing?
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But not Bobby. Bobby is tragically hip.
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We thought it sounded pretty cool.
And the sentiment behind it
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was definitely one we could identify with.
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[Bruce McCulloch]
Nothing about them is "tragically hip."
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I still don't understand the name,
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{\an8}because I can't reconcile it with
the guys who feel more like The Band.
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It took me a moment. Then I heard it
and I said, "I get it now."
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["Mary, Mary"]
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[Tom Wilson] They looked
like a bunch of Boy Scouts.
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That's how fresh they were.
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♪ Mary, Mary, where you goin' to? ♪
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♪ Mary, Mary... ♪
450
00:29:27,975 --> 00:29:30,436
[Tom] They played
like they knew each other's moves.
451
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:32,438
{\an8}They knew what each other were thinking.
452
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:35,065
They were on the ball. They were good.
453
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:38,486
♪ I'd rather die than to live without ya ♪
454
00:29:38,569 --> 00:29:42,323
♪ Mary, Mary, where you goin' to? ♪
455
00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:46,243
[Rob] We used to judge a gig
by how quickly people got up dancing
456
00:29:46,327 --> 00:29:47,912
and were there any fights.
457
00:29:47,995 --> 00:29:50,414
'Cause if there's fights,
then the energy was up.
458
00:29:50,498 --> 00:29:53,292
Bikers liked us,
Queen's students like us.
459
00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:57,463
It doesn't really make a lot of sense
but it's working.
460
00:29:57,546 --> 00:30:01,342
{\an8}The band was highly watchable,
not just because Gord was magnetic.
461
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:04,512
{\an8}You had Johnny. I spent more time,
or as much time,
462
00:30:04,595 --> 00:30:06,972
watching Johnny hold down that groove.
463
00:30:07,056 --> 00:30:09,767
Bobby Baker,
just shimmying back and forth.
464
00:30:11,477 --> 00:30:15,523
And then, there was Davis Manning,
465
00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:21,487
who was visually an odd-man-out.
466
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:23,697
[Bernie] He was like
the cool Muppet dude.
467
00:30:23,781 --> 00:30:26,867
{\an8}Like that horn-player, he kinda had shades
468
00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:30,246
and, you know, he had the 'stache
and "Groovy, man."
469
00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:33,707
[Steve Jordan] Davis Manning,
international man of mystery.
470
00:30:33,791 --> 00:30:36,961
He just added that sense of the unknown
to the band,
471
00:30:37,044 --> 00:30:40,256
and no one really seemed to know
where he came from
472
00:30:40,339 --> 00:30:42,591
and how he came to meet these guys.
473
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:47,763
{\an8}Hi, I'm Davis Manning and
I played saxophone
474
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:53,852
{\an8}with the band Tragically Hip
from 1984 to 1986.
475
00:30:58,232 --> 00:31:01,485
So, it started out in Washington,
where I was born.
476
00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:06,407
Getting into school, I liked music,
so joined the band.
477
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:10,786
I thought I had said trombone,
but it turned out
478
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,872
that I didn't know a trombone
from a saxophone.
479
00:31:13,956 --> 00:31:16,208
So, I played all through school.
480
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:20,212
And then, in 1969,
I'm 19, I went into the Navy.
481
00:31:20,296 --> 00:31:23,257
[reporter] In this jungle war,
the United States is becoming
482
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:25,759
more fully involved
with each passing day.
483
00:31:25,843 --> 00:31:29,471
♪ Love is a curse ♪
484
00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:34,310
♪ That he who would own it deserves ♪
485
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:39,481
As a young man, boy, did I feel betrayed,
lied to, and played.
486
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:41,817
Even all the way from the recruiter.
487
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,945
[Rob]
They said, "You're goin' to Vietnam."
488
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:48,240
And he said,
"no, I'm not goin' to Vietnam."
489
00:31:48,324 --> 00:31:51,827
And he split. Did some time
in a military prison.
490
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:55,956
{\an8}When he got out, he made a run for it,
491
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,668
{\an8}and he got across the border
and he settled in Hope.
492
00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:04,298
I made my choice. I came to Canada.
Became an immigrant.
493
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:08,719
[Rob] He had fallen in love with
one of the gals I went to school with
494
00:32:08,802 --> 00:32:13,599
and followed her back to Kingston.
And she said, "This guy's a musician.
495
00:32:13,682 --> 00:32:18,145
He plays sax, would you be interested
in jamming with him?"
496
00:32:18,228 --> 00:32:23,984
The first impression I got is
they had a good taste for rock and roll.
497
00:32:24,068 --> 00:32:26,820
They asked if I would join them,
and I did.
498
00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:31,492
♪ Can't live to die, too easy ♪
499
00:32:31,575 --> 00:32:33,911
♪ Why stick around? ♪
500
00:32:35,371 --> 00:32:38,582
♪ All my life ♪
501
00:32:38,666 --> 00:32:42,336
♪ Small town hometown bringdown ♪
502
00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:59,228
♪ This is it
You might as well get pissed ♪
503
00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:01,897
♪ You're a crazy child ♪
504
00:33:03,107 --> 00:33:04,525
♪ Make your trip... ♪
505
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:08,195
{\an8}Davis Manning, he made
a lot of contributions to the group,
506
00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:11,031
certainly when we were super-young,
but probably the most important
507
00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:13,534
was he was
an absolutely wonderful songwriter.
508
00:33:13,617 --> 00:33:16,870
This is one of our very own songs.
It's called Evelyn.
509
00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:21,625
He really pushed us,
"The money's in the songwriting, boys.
510
00:33:21,709 --> 00:33:23,210
This cover stuff is fun,
511
00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:25,796
but you gotta get
into writing your own tunes."
512
00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:33,887
♪ Evelyn ♪
513
00:33:35,097 --> 00:33:36,557
♪ Evelyn ♪
514
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,225
Yeah, that was a good crasher.
515
00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:40,561
♪ Where were you last night? ♪
516
00:33:41,687 --> 00:33:44,440
I think maybe Gord Sinclair
might have wrote that song.
517
00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:48,652
I remember him fondly.
Our relationship with him in the group
518
00:33:48,736 --> 00:33:51,029
did not end well, unfortunately.
519
00:33:51,113 --> 00:33:54,241
Thank you, very much. Please,
stick around, we'll be right back.
520
00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:55,659
[cheers]
521
00:33:58,328 --> 00:34:02,207
[Rob] Putting his life in the hands
of a bunch of 20-year-old college kids
522
00:34:02,291 --> 00:34:06,712
trying to make it up as they go along,
and he thought he knew the template.
523
00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:09,798
He knew the formula,
and we were getting it all wrong.
524
00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:14,094
And the fighting broke out.
525
00:34:14,178 --> 00:34:16,930
He said, "I'm not
putting my life in the hands
526
00:34:17,014 --> 00:34:18,974
of a bunch of dumb college fucks!"
527
00:34:20,476 --> 00:34:23,562
Now, I gotta say that the parting, um...
528
00:34:25,522 --> 00:34:30,652
wasn't amicable at the time,
and a lot was said that...
529
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,739
maybe some of it regrettable.
530
00:34:34,948 --> 00:34:36,366
Certainly regrettable.
531
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:39,203
[Gord Sinclair]
I think each of us quit in succession
532
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:41,497
until there was only Rob and Davis left.
533
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:42,915
[Davis] What a guy.
534
00:34:44,374 --> 00:34:46,752
-Hey, Rob.
-[laughs]
535
00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:49,463
How ya doin', buddy?
536
00:34:49,546 --> 00:34:53,300
[Davis] Rob got the job
of calling me up and saying
537
00:34:53,383 --> 00:34:56,094
that the band wasn't gonna be
needing me anymore.
538
00:34:56,178 --> 00:34:59,223
And he said, "Yeah, I know.
It's all good. Love ya."
539
00:34:59,306 --> 00:35:01,308
I said, "I love you too, man."
540
00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:11,860
[Bernie] So, when Davis left the band,
it was a weird time.
541
00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,405
Robbie said, "We're thinking about
542
00:35:15,489 --> 00:35:18,283
maybe a guitar player to replace Davis."
543
00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:27,835
[Paul] I went to Carleton and
Gord was going to Queen's.
544
00:35:27,918 --> 00:35:32,047
But by Christmas, I couldn't
take it anymore. I dropped out.
545
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:36,218
So, I moved back to Kingston,
and I got my cab licence.
546
00:35:37,511 --> 00:35:41,431
Basically, when I wasn't working,
I was playing piano
547
00:35:41,515 --> 00:35:44,059
and playing guitar and
starting to write songs.
548
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:46,478
"What am I gonna do with my life?"
549
00:35:46,562 --> 00:35:49,523
{\an8}I wasn't really too interested
in going back to school yet,
550
00:35:49,606 --> 00:35:51,859
{\an8}but I was interested
in being a songwriter.
551
00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:54,862
My mom played piano,
so we always had a piano,
552
00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:57,739
and she wanted us all to play.
553
00:35:57,823 --> 00:36:02,202
When I was about 13 or 14,
she had heard me sing.
554
00:36:02,286 --> 00:36:04,872
She kinda stayed on me
for years and years,
555
00:36:04,955 --> 00:36:06,623
just like, "You should do this.
556
00:36:06,707 --> 00:36:09,751
Learn guitar and sing.
You've got a really nice voice."
557
00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:13,380
So, when I finally did learn guitar,
558
00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:17,718
which was halfway through
my first year of university at Carleton,
559
00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:20,262
she was pretty pleased.
560
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:23,557
♪ When the colour of the night... ♪
561
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,810
{\an8}Paul definitely wanted to pursue music.
562
00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:30,188
♪ And all the smoke for one life... ♪
563
00:36:30,272 --> 00:36:33,191
[Paula] And Gord and Paul
got along really well.
564
00:36:33,275 --> 00:36:38,071
Just his easygoing, go with the flow.
565
00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,908
I think Gord felt a comfort with Paul.
566
00:36:40,991 --> 00:36:44,411
They just kinda rolled well together,
really rolled well together.
567
00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:49,124
[Paul] We became best friends
pretty quickly in Grade 11,
568
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:52,252
like literally in the first couple days.
For some reason,
569
00:36:52,336 --> 00:36:55,631
he took to me, and I took to him
because he was
570
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:59,927
a nice kind of spirit for me
to be around. It just went from there.
571
00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:02,346
Never stopped. Never stopped.
572
00:37:03,972 --> 00:37:07,017
[Rob] Paul, who was a chum
of all of ours,
573
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,063
he was thinking about going to Nashville
to try his hand as a singer/songwriter.
574
00:37:12,105 --> 00:37:15,192
And Gord was like, "What?
You're goin' to Nashville?"
575
00:37:15,275 --> 00:37:18,278
I said, "I want to take a shot.
Be a songwriter."
576
00:37:18,362 --> 00:37:22,240
{\an8}And I'm like, "Oh, my God. I'll miss ya."
'Cause we were best friends.
577
00:37:22,324 --> 00:37:24,368
I went to the guys and said,
578
00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:26,578
"We should get Paul to join us."
579
00:37:26,662 --> 00:37:29,581
♪ And find somewhere to go ♪
580
00:37:29,665 --> 00:37:32,834
♪ Go somewhere we're needed ♪
581
00:37:32,918 --> 00:37:36,630
♪ Find somewhere to grow ♪
582
00:37:36,713 --> 00:37:39,466
♪ Go somewhere we're needed ♪
583
00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:42,594
He was so into it, and he joined.
584
00:37:42,678 --> 00:37:43,887
Made my life.
585
00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,307
Asked me to be in the band.
586
00:37:47,391 --> 00:37:49,851
[Rob] Instead of
going for the hotshot guitar player,
587
00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:53,271
we thought, "Well, any asshole
can learn how to play the guitar.
588
00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:57,609
It's not rocket science. But it's hard
to find someone that you get along with."
589
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:03,156
[Johnny] I think it was really important
to have Paul there as Gord's best mate.
590
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,535
I thought it was a good idea
to get Paul in the band
591
00:38:06,618 --> 00:38:09,579
because we'd have these girls
in the front row and then,
592
00:38:09,663 --> 00:38:11,957
{\an8}Paul would be gone
and so would the girls.
593
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,668
{\an8}I'd be like, "We should
get him in the band."
594
00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:17,963
"He can play guitar or tambourine
or something.
595
00:38:18,046 --> 00:38:19,798
Let's get him off the street."
596
00:38:19,881 --> 00:38:22,467
[Paul]
I bought a guitar a few months before
597
00:38:22,551 --> 00:38:27,472
and was still, you know,
looking at my fingers kinda style.
598
00:38:27,556 --> 00:38:32,436
So, for the first six months,
I kind of faked my way through it.
599
00:38:33,854 --> 00:38:38,150
[Rob] He learned how to do it
really quickly, and he was incredible,
600
00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:40,110
indispensable member of the band.
601
00:38:41,194 --> 00:38:44,197
[Finny] Paul, to me,
is the Keith Richards of the band.
602
00:38:44,281 --> 00:38:47,325
He brought the edge to the band,
and that look.
603
00:38:47,409 --> 00:38:50,328
[Bernie] He was just
the coolest motherfucker there was.
604
00:38:50,412 --> 00:38:52,748
["I'm A Werewolf Baby"]
605
00:38:56,835 --> 00:38:59,671
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby
And here I come ♪
606
00:38:59,755 --> 00:39:02,007
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby
Shut your mouth ♪
607
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:04,634
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby
And here I come ♪
608
00:39:04,718 --> 00:39:06,386
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby ♪
609
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:10,057
[Bernie] When Paul joined the band,
it was immediate for them,
610
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:13,435
they found their legs and what
rhythm guitar meant to the band.
611
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:16,688
They hit their stride. You don't
have to look much further than,
612
00:39:16,772 --> 00:39:18,690
"I'm a Werewolf, Baby",
every single night.
613
00:39:18,774 --> 00:39:21,276
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby
Here I come ♪
614
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:23,612
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby ♪
615
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:26,156
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby
Here I come ♪
616
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,743
♪ I'm a werewolf, baby
Howl right now ♪
617
00:39:29,826 --> 00:39:33,205
[Paul] For some reason,
someone suggested I play the shaker.
618
00:39:33,288 --> 00:39:38,043
And then me sort of dancing
and doing backups with a shaker
619
00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:41,379
brought the werewolf out in Gord,
I think, over time.
620
00:39:41,463 --> 00:39:45,258
♪ Ow! Ow! Ow!
621
00:39:45,342 --> 00:39:48,970
And then, at the crucial moment,
I would jump him, and
622
00:39:49,054 --> 00:39:53,308
[vocalizing] ♪ "I'm a werewolf, baby!
And here I come!" ♪
623
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:56,269
And, uh, I'd attack Paul.
624
00:39:58,814 --> 00:40:02,609
He would totally, like just charge
and really tackle me.
625
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:09,157
He was always looking after me
as you can do as the tackler
626
00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:12,077
better than you can at getting tackled.
627
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,329
Eventually I got sick of it.
628
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:19,584
But we did have fun with it
for a good year and a half, or so.
629
00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:20,919
[chuckles]
630
00:40:27,843 --> 00:40:30,637
[Gord Sinclair]
We had begun the conquest of the world
631
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,058
in little 50 to 100-kilometer
expeditions outside of Kingston.
632
00:40:37,978 --> 00:40:42,566
[Johnny] We were playing Belleville,
Brockville, Cornwall, Trenton, Toronto.
633
00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:45,986
[train horn blows]
634
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,032
[Gord Sinclair] Rob's dad was
a larger-than-life figure
635
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:54,536
and drove a larger-than-life car,
and we would shove amps
636
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:58,665
and as many drums as we could get
into the trunk of his car.
637
00:41:01,668 --> 00:41:05,589
I think the judge got tired
of lending his vehicle.
638
00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:09,426
So, I had a good chat
with my dear mother.
639
00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:13,805
She ponied up to buy this,
this crazy, crappy old Dodge van.
640
00:41:17,684 --> 00:41:21,771
[Rob] Leona financed the van.
And I gotta say, Duncan and Leona,
641
00:41:21,855 --> 00:41:26,735
and my parents, Edgar and Lorna,
the Fays, the Langlois,
642
00:41:26,818 --> 00:41:29,821
everyone's parents
were super supportive of us...
643
00:41:31,573 --> 00:41:34,075
when it feels like
we're out there trying to
644
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,828
capture lighting in a bottle or something.
645
00:41:38,997 --> 00:41:43,210
[Johnny] Our parents really believed in us
when other people didn't,
646
00:41:43,293 --> 00:41:46,129
and we definitely didn't want
to disappoint them.
647
00:41:53,678 --> 00:41:57,682
{\an8}To begin with,
he didn't have drums or drumsticks.
648
00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:01,645
{\an8}He had my knitting needles,
and he'd...
649
00:42:02,729 --> 00:42:08,652
And then a friend had drums for sale
and his Dad said,
650
00:42:09,778 --> 00:42:11,529
"I'll buy them,
651
00:42:11,613 --> 00:42:16,201
but you have to work and
pay me back half."
652
00:42:17,327 --> 00:42:18,828
So, that's what we did.
653
00:42:20,163 --> 00:42:22,374
[Johnny]
My mom pushed me to do music
654
00:42:22,457 --> 00:42:26,253
and if I really wanted to do it,
then I was gonna do it.
655
00:42:26,336 --> 00:42:29,089
I remember, I was in grade 11.
My mom said,
656
00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:31,883
"We're going on a trip tomorrow."
She had seen me
657
00:42:31,967 --> 00:42:34,719
look at this brochure
for the Berklee College of Music.
658
00:42:34,803 --> 00:42:39,683
His father and I discussed it,
and then we said, "The best thing
659
00:42:39,766 --> 00:42:44,813
we can do is ship him out
if they'll accept him."
660
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:51,611
And so, I drove him down to Boston
to the Berklee School of Music.
661
00:42:52,821 --> 00:42:55,282
[Johnny]
And we walked in, and my mom said,
662
00:42:55,365 --> 00:42:58,285
"My son would like to
go to the summer program."
663
00:42:58,368 --> 00:43:01,705
And this guy said, "No, no.
You just, you can't show up."
664
00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:05,166
And my mom said, "Well,
we drove all the way from Canada.
665
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:08,295
Could you at least listen to him
before we go home."
666
00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:10,880
This guy took me into a room,
and I played.
667
00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:15,635
And they said, "Yes, we'll accept you.
Where are your drums?"
668
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,098
My mom said, "Oh, they're, they're
in the car out front. We'll go get them."
669
00:43:20,181 --> 00:43:22,517
And we didn't bring any drums.
670
00:43:24,185 --> 00:43:27,897
So, she went across the street to
this place called "Daddy's Junky Music."
671
00:43:27,981 --> 00:43:32,610
Got me a kit. It was just, you know,
what great parents do.
672
00:43:32,694 --> 00:43:37,282
They open doors.
And for me, she was kickin' doors down.
673
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:40,410
[indistinct chatter]
674
00:43:42,579 --> 00:43:45,332
[woman on PA] Be really excited
about this next band.
675
00:43:45,415 --> 00:43:50,337
-They're from Kingston, Ontario. Yeah.
-[cheers]
676
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:55,216
Live at Zorbas, from Mystic Productions
from CIC-FM,
677
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,427
Tragically Hip!
678
00:43:57,510 --> 00:44:02,557
Thank you! Happy to have you.
Welcome to Zorbas.
679
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,934
["All Canadian Surf Club"]
680
00:44:05,018 --> 00:44:10,273
We could feel that it was starting to get
a little bit more traction there.
681
00:44:10,357 --> 00:44:12,442
It wasn't just the Kingstonians
showing up.
682
00:44:12,525 --> 00:44:17,530
♪ And if you wanna make the scene
You'll make it sooner or later ♪
683
00:44:17,614 --> 00:44:21,993
♪ You're really hanging with the crowd
You know the ins and the outs here ♪
684
00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:25,372
[Denise Donlon] It wasn't just a band,
it was like a movement.
685
00:44:25,455 --> 00:44:29,334
{\an8}It's because one person would
see the band and fall in love with them,
686
00:44:29,417 --> 00:44:34,297
{\an8}and then drag their three friends
to see them and then their three friends.
687
00:44:34,381 --> 00:44:39,302
♪ Yeah, when you're dancin' next to me,
I want to roll and die there ♪
688
00:44:39,386 --> 00:44:44,641
♪ I'll be designing my buggy
While I'm thinking about next year ♪
689
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:50,855
[Sarah Harmer] They put on a monster show.
Like, I was, you know, 16.
690
00:44:50,939 --> 00:44:53,691
I'd never seen sweaty rock 'n' roll
up close.
691
00:44:53,775 --> 00:44:56,736
{\an8}And they just played like song
after song after song,
692
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:58,905
like just segue to so much energy.
693
00:44:58,988 --> 00:45:02,325
[screams]
694
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:09,749
[Denise]
The band was loud and tight and forceful,
695
00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:13,670
and then Gord was mesmerizing.
696
00:45:13,753 --> 00:45:16,673
Gord Downie did evolve into his own thing.
697
00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:20,677
You watched him take pieces
of Frank Venom, maybe Mick Jagger,
698
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,889
and you know, Michael Stipe. Whoever
it was, he put those pieces together.
699
00:45:24,973 --> 00:45:30,562
But once they got in there with some
butter and onions, and celery and garlic,
700
00:45:30,645 --> 00:45:33,064
it became its own thing.
701
00:45:33,148 --> 00:45:36,234
♪ Stop the car! That's my girlfriend! ♪
702
00:45:36,317 --> 00:45:39,195
He actually just became himself.
703
00:45:39,279 --> 00:45:40,738
♪ Stop it! ♪
704
00:45:40,822 --> 00:45:42,532
[crowd cheers]
705
00:45:45,076 --> 00:45:48,079
[Gord Sinclair] We'd taken things
about as far as we could.
706
00:45:48,163 --> 00:45:50,081
We didn't know what a manager was,
707
00:45:50,165 --> 00:45:52,876
but we were told,
"You gotta get a manager."
708
00:45:57,589 --> 00:46:01,134
{\an8}[Mike Downie]
So, this is where it all happens, Jake?
709
00:46:01,217 --> 00:46:05,597
Well, you know, this is where, uh,
it starts.
710
00:46:06,681 --> 00:46:10,852
It all happens out there.
What we do here is we, uh,
711
00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:14,814
I like to say we create the opportunities
here.
712
00:46:14,898 --> 00:46:18,234
[announcer] Jake Gold's
still waiting on his first big score.
713
00:46:18,318 --> 00:46:20,778
But now, with Allan Gregg's
seed money in play,
714
00:46:20,862 --> 00:46:26,409
at Jacob J. Gold and Associates, he's
managing their joint roster of four bands.
715
00:46:26,493 --> 00:46:32,290
[Jake Gold] I was introduced to Allan
at a party in December 1985.
716
00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:37,003
At one point during the conversation,
his wife Marjorie walks in
717
00:46:37,086 --> 00:46:39,881
and says, "His Nibs is on the phone."
718
00:46:39,964 --> 00:46:43,426
Unbeknownst to me who "His Nibs" was,
719
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:47,847
Allan excuses himself,
comes back in after the call and said,
720
00:46:47,931 --> 00:46:50,225
"Sorry, it was the Prime Minister."
721
00:46:50,308 --> 00:46:54,979
And at that point, I was like,
"Okay. Where am I? Who is this guy?"
722
00:46:55,939 --> 00:46:58,691
[Allan Gregg] I've worked with creators
for a long time.
723
00:46:58,775 --> 00:47:02,487
{\an8}I've worked on politicians
for even a longer time.
724
00:47:02,570 --> 00:47:06,866
And my job, with politicians, has always
been to help them find their voice.
725
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:08,618
My first love was always music.
726
00:47:08,701 --> 00:47:11,120
Allan came from
a very academic background,
727
00:47:11,204 --> 00:47:14,165
and I came, basically,
from a street background.
728
00:47:14,249 --> 00:47:18,795
It was an odd couple,
but we are very similar in a lot of ways.
729
00:47:18,878 --> 00:47:20,505
[receptionist]
Gold and Associates.
730
00:47:20,588 --> 00:47:23,883
-Hi, it's Allan. Is Jake there?
-[receptionist] Yes. Hold one moment.
731
00:47:23,967 --> 00:47:26,219
[Jake Gold]
Allan gives me a call.
732
00:47:26,302 --> 00:47:30,223
He says that he got sent this tape
from his friend, Hugh Segal,
733
00:47:30,306 --> 00:47:33,893
whose brother-in-law was friends
with the guys in Kingston.
734
00:47:33,977 --> 00:47:35,270
["Killing Time"]
735
00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:39,816
♪ I need your confidence ♪
736
00:47:39,899 --> 00:47:42,860
♪ Need to know you're mine ♪
737
00:47:42,944 --> 00:47:47,490
♪ When it gets right down
To the killing time ♪
738
00:47:49,617 --> 00:47:52,120
And I went,
"This guy's got an interesting voice."
739
00:47:52,203 --> 00:47:55,331
And Allan was like,
"Maybe we should set up a gig."
740
00:47:55,415 --> 00:47:57,875
[announcer]
Welcome, The Tragically Hip!
741
00:47:57,959 --> 00:48:00,128
[Jake Gold]
They walked on stage.
742
00:48:00,211 --> 00:48:03,673
Gord said,
"I can only give you everything,"
743
00:48:03,756 --> 00:48:07,093
grabbed the mic and
did that jackknife thing that he does.
744
00:48:09,512 --> 00:48:14,892
♪ I can't give you more
Than all I am ♪
745
00:48:14,976 --> 00:48:20,565
And every hair on my body and my neck,
everywhere, just stood up.
746
00:48:20,648 --> 00:48:22,859
♪ Just a man ♪
747
00:48:22,942 --> 00:48:27,697
It took us about a song and a half
to look at each other
748
00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:32,452
and just say,
this frontman is off the charts.
749
00:48:32,535 --> 00:48:37,081
[Jake Gold] The way they played as a unit,
they were a machine.
750
00:48:37,165 --> 00:48:40,501
And I looked at Allan and said,
we're signing these guys tonight.
751
00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:43,087
[crowd cheering]
752
00:48:43,171 --> 00:48:46,466
[Gord Sinclair] When we hooked up
with Jake and Allan, it was good
753
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:49,010
'cause we had just been
hanging around in Kingston,
754
00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:52,680
kind of playing local bars and stuff.
And Jake had a few connections
755
00:48:52,764 --> 00:48:56,267
at different agencies
in all the worst clubs in Ontario,
756
00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:59,646
but they put us out on the road
for like four months,
757
00:48:59,729 --> 00:49:02,440
which kind of brought everything together
for us.
758
00:49:02,523 --> 00:49:05,693
Allan, he loaned us money
to make our first EP,
759
00:49:05,777 --> 00:49:10,198
about six grand,
which was great for us, you know?
760
00:49:10,281 --> 00:49:12,992
[Allan]
It was seven songs, and it was good.
761
00:49:13,076 --> 00:49:16,120
Jake and I said,
"Let's try to do something with this."
762
00:49:16,204 --> 00:49:20,875
We needed a calling card so we could
get them out of basically Ontario
763
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,419
and get them right across the country.
764
00:49:24,879 --> 00:49:28,633
At the time, people were aware
of music videos.
765
00:49:28,716 --> 00:49:33,137
They could break bands.
And so, you needed to make a video.
766
00:49:33,221 --> 00:49:37,767
[announcer] Ladies and gentlemen,
our very own, Tragically Hip!
767
00:49:37,850 --> 00:49:39,936
["Small Town Bringdown"]
768
00:49:43,356 --> 00:49:45,775
[Rob]
The baby blue record was out.
769
00:49:45,858 --> 00:49:50,530
The "Small Town Bringdown" video
was getting a lot of play on MuchMusic.
770
00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:54,867
Was Kingston the subject matter
for the "Smalltown Bringdown" single?
771
00:49:54,951 --> 00:49:58,788
Well, our bass player, Gord Sinclair
wrote that song and, uh, I don't know.
772
00:49:58,871 --> 00:50:03,251
I think you can apply it to almost
any town, you know, or any sort of,
773
00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:07,130
anyone that comes from a small town.
It could be very much autobiographical.
774
00:50:07,213 --> 00:50:11,134
You'd have to ask him, I guess. It doesn't
reflect how we feel about Kingston
775
00:50:11,217 --> 00:50:13,302
'cause we quite frankly love it there.
776
00:50:15,054 --> 00:50:19,976
[Jake] Having a video, having a record
in stores right away, legitimized you.
777
00:50:20,059 --> 00:50:24,355
At the end of the day,
we probably sold about 11,000 records.
778
00:50:24,439 --> 00:50:28,609
[Rob] For an up and coming,
nobody-knows-'em band,
779
00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:32,321
it was doin' very well.
And that allowed us to play new markets.
780
00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,617
[Jake]
They were workin' every day.
781
00:50:36,701 --> 00:50:39,620
Three nights here, three nights there,
all over.
782
00:50:39,704 --> 00:50:42,915
We were playing small places,
multiple nights.
783
00:50:42,999 --> 00:50:47,587
Because we felt going into a city
for one show
784
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:51,215
didn't leave enough time
to get that word-of-mouth thing going.
785
00:50:51,299 --> 00:50:54,010
So, by the third night,
it was always packed.
786
00:50:55,136 --> 00:50:58,431
{\an8}They were like the tightest band
you ever heard. All the time.
787
00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:01,517
I never went to a bad Hip show.
788
00:51:01,601 --> 00:51:07,565
They felt they had a duty to be amazing
because you came to their show.
789
00:51:09,567 --> 00:51:12,320
[Johnny] We needed
to get in front of more people.
790
00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:15,615
We needed to travel and
really be heard by some people.
791
00:51:15,698 --> 00:51:17,742
It took some time, you know?
792
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:21,621
[Gord Sinclair] Anybody can play
a sold-out show
793
00:51:21,704 --> 00:51:24,081
in downtown Toronto on Friday night.
794
00:51:25,124 --> 00:51:28,127
Part of comin' up in Canada
is learning how to play,
795
00:51:28,211 --> 00:51:32,381
you know, the half-empty rooms,
or the completely empty rooms.
796
00:51:32,465 --> 00:51:34,675
That's what makes you what you are.
797
00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:39,597
{\an8}They were a band that had played
every fuckin' venue in the country.
798
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,809
You know, like
this is a very big land mass,
799
00:51:42,892 --> 00:51:47,021
and so I know a lot of Canadian bands
that just won't tour the country.
800
00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:48,648
They'll go tour the States
801
00:51:48,731 --> 00:51:51,901
'cause they can get a show
every five hours on the highway.
802
00:51:51,984 --> 00:51:54,445
It's just not like that necessarily here.
803
00:51:54,529 --> 00:52:00,535
There's like huge swaths of like
Siberian-esque fucking T-Can. [laughs]
804
00:52:01,702 --> 00:52:04,247
[interviewer] What's the biggest obstacle
you've faced so far?
805
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:08,417
The Canadian Shield's
probably the biggest obstacle.
806
00:52:08,501 --> 00:52:10,878
You know driving out to Winnipeg
and stuff.
807
00:52:10,962 --> 00:52:12,338
It's hard touring in Canada.
808
00:52:12,421 --> 00:52:16,342
There's lots of long drives and
lots of late nights and stuff.
809
00:52:16,425 --> 00:52:19,220
They toured madly, but no one
wanted to sign them.
810
00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:21,764
There was no big cry and demand.
811
00:52:21,848 --> 00:52:27,520
[Gord Downie] We played in New York City
for the CMJ, College Music Journal.
812
00:52:27,603 --> 00:52:31,691
It's a conference there. And we
were fortunate enough to get our song,
813
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:35,069
"Small Town Bringdown" on a compact disc
that goes about
814
00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:38,573
to all these programmers
and college music people,
815
00:52:38,656 --> 00:52:41,367
and Bruce Dickinson happened to hear it.
816
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:45,121
[Bruce Dickinson] I grabbed the phone
and called Jake Gold
817
00:52:45,204 --> 00:52:49,208
{\an8}and said I really liked the song
that I just heard on the CD
818
00:52:49,292 --> 00:52:52,628
{\an8}and that I would like to come
see his band.
819
00:52:52,712 --> 00:52:55,882
And I said, so what's the next date?
And he says,
820
00:52:55,965 --> 00:52:59,051
"Well, we have one coming up,
but it's two songs
821
00:52:59,135 --> 00:53:04,056
and it's for industry people,"
and I'm thinkin', "I'm comin' anyway."
822
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:05,349
[indistinct chatter]
823
00:53:08,394 --> 00:53:10,646
[Gord Sinclair]
In our minds, this is like,
824
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:13,482
"Wow, this is the proverbial,
possible big break."
825
00:53:15,568 --> 00:53:16,819
[Johnny]
We were nervous.
826
00:53:17,737 --> 00:53:19,822
It was like, this is Massey Hall.
827
00:53:19,906 --> 00:53:23,117
This is like our Grand Old Opry.
828
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,164
We knew that we had to get up there
for two songs and really make it happen
829
00:53:28,247 --> 00:53:30,583
according to our manager, once again.
And, uh,
830
00:53:30,666 --> 00:53:34,170
I guess we kinda made it happen
or we were trying too hard
831
00:53:34,253 --> 00:53:37,298
or got nervous and got drunk or something,
'cause everything fell apart.
832
00:53:37,381 --> 00:53:41,677
Thanks for having us.
Thanks a lot.
833
00:53:41,761 --> 00:53:44,805
New Orleans is sinking,
and I don't want to swim.
834
00:53:44,889 --> 00:53:46,223
["New Orleans Is Sinking"]
835
00:53:46,307 --> 00:53:48,851
[Allan]
The Toronto Music Awards was a disaster.
836
00:53:48,935 --> 00:53:51,312
Here, in front of all of these people,
837
00:53:51,395 --> 00:53:54,482
including Bruce Dickinson,
A&R guy from New York City,
838
00:53:54,565 --> 00:53:57,860
MCA Records, and Gord's mic breaks.
839
00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:01,781
[Bruce Dickinson] The microphone
comes out of the stand
840
00:54:01,864 --> 00:54:05,242
and falls and breaks
into its component parts.
841
00:54:05,326 --> 00:54:07,995
And even the cable comes out.
842
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,249
And I'll always remember the look
on Gord Sinclair's face was like,
843
00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:17,421
"Oh, crap."
You could tell this was not rehearsed.
844
00:54:17,505 --> 00:54:23,511
Gord starts to pantomime and
improvise and mock his misfortune
845
00:54:23,594 --> 00:54:27,932
of not being able to sing, long enough
that they finally get the mic fixed.
846
00:54:28,015 --> 00:54:32,186
♪ Bourbon blues on the street
Loose and complete ♪
847
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:36,440
♪ Under skies of smoky blue-green ♪
848
00:54:36,524 --> 00:54:40,319
♪ I can't forsake a dixie dead-shake ♪
849
00:54:40,403 --> 00:54:44,782
♪ So we danced the sidewalk clean ♪
850
00:54:44,865 --> 00:54:49,036
♪ My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in? ♪
851
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,125
♪ New Orleans is sinking, man
And I don't wanna swim ♪
852
00:54:54,208 --> 00:54:59,255
It could have been disastrous and he,
you know, made it part of the show.
853
00:54:59,338 --> 00:55:03,134
♪ Colonel Tom, what's wrong?
What's going on? ♪
854
00:55:03,217 --> 00:55:07,513
[Jake] That was part of what we
were selling was this enigmatic front guy
855
00:55:07,596 --> 00:55:11,434
that was spontaneous, and you never knew
what was gonna happen next.
856
00:55:11,517 --> 00:55:13,060
At that point, I'm sold.
857
00:55:13,144 --> 00:55:17,064
So then, I turn to Jake and Allan,
"I want to sign your band."
858
00:55:17,148 --> 00:55:21,068
♪ My baby, she don't know me
When I'm thinking 'bout those years ♪
859
00:55:22,236 --> 00:55:25,865
A Canadian band being signed
out of New York, it was big news.
860
00:55:25,948 --> 00:55:28,075
[Rob]
We met Bruce after the show,
861
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:31,454
and he said, "I'd like to sign you
to a seven-record deal."
862
00:55:31,537 --> 00:55:35,374
So, when that happened
and Bruce made that offer,
863
00:55:35,458 --> 00:55:40,838
that put us firmly on the track
that we always dreamed of being on.
864
00:55:40,921 --> 00:55:42,173
[guitar music]
865
00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:52,266
We're negotiating the contract.
It gets signed by early January,
866
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:55,352
and by the end of the month,
the band's in Memphis.
867
00:55:55,436 --> 00:55:57,396
Like, that's how fast things happened.
868
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,608
[Johnny] We were a band
going down to prove ourselves,
869
00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:04,820
make a record for the very first time.
It was like, "Okay. Here we go."
870
00:56:04,904 --> 00:56:06,572
[Gord Sinclair]
As music fans,
871
00:56:06,655 --> 00:56:09,992
and we're making our first record
in Memphis, Tennessee, you know?
872
00:56:10,076 --> 00:56:14,080
Jerry Lee Lewis is across the river,
and the King lived there.
873
00:56:14,163 --> 00:56:16,415
[Gord Downie]
I was really excited to come,
874
00:56:16,499 --> 00:56:20,252
just 'cause I figured that it would,
you know, the music environment
875
00:56:20,336 --> 00:56:24,340
would sort of sit very close,
very far down in the air, kinda thing.
876
00:56:24,423 --> 00:56:28,552
[Jake] You could tell
that there was this real sense of like,
877
00:56:28,636 --> 00:56:33,933
"Holy fuck, man. We're in Memphis?"
Five guys from Kingston
878
00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:38,979
are now on the precipice of putting out
a first major label record in the U.S.
879
00:56:42,316 --> 00:56:46,153
[Rob] I think we really felt
we were something walkin' into Ardent.
880
00:56:47,822 --> 00:56:48,823
Buddy!
881
00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:51,367
-Buddy, has this got sound to it?
-Oh, yeah.
882
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:55,412
[Rob] I think The Replacements
had just finished before we went in.
883
00:56:55,496 --> 00:56:57,414
It was pretty heady stuff.
884
00:56:57,498 --> 00:57:01,877
Say hi to your wife, Gord.
We're gonna send her this tape.
885
00:57:03,129 --> 00:57:04,839
Gord Downie? This is for Laura.
886
00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:09,176
[Rob]
With Bruce Dickinson came Don Smith.
887
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:13,514
He just produced the Keith Richards album,
just done the Traveling Wilburys,
888
00:57:13,597 --> 00:57:18,435
and like a whole host of Tom Petty albums.
And we were like, "Yeah. That'll work."
889
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:20,855
["I'll Believe in You"]
890
00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,565
The Tragically Hip went
down to Memphis.
891
00:57:22,648 --> 00:57:24,775
They've already been working
on their second record,
892
00:57:24,859 --> 00:57:27,987
and we sent Kim Clark Champness
to see what happened.
893
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:31,949
♪ Well, it's 7 a.m.
And she woke by the radio... ♪
894
00:57:32,032 --> 00:57:36,036
{\an8}[interviewer] How was it to work
this year with established rock legends
895
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,331
and then suddenly work
with a young Canadian band?
896
00:57:39,415 --> 00:57:43,878
It's refreshing, actually.
I think this band can hold its own
897
00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,005
against all the people I worked with.
898
00:57:46,088 --> 00:57:52,094
♪ Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! ♪
899
00:57:53,345 --> 00:57:58,267
It's getting very good. It seems like...
To me, it feels like it's too fast
900
00:57:58,350 --> 00:58:00,561
'cause you're rushing every word,
you know?
901
00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:05,941
Go slow. But I don't know.
It actually does feel kinda slow,
902
00:58:06,025 --> 00:58:08,903
but what's happening,
I think you're rushing every lyric.
903
00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:12,072
-[woman] Do you want a beer, Gordie?
-[Gordie] No, thanks.
904
00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:16,327
[Paul] We'd record and then go back
to the hotel at night and keep writing.
905
00:58:17,578 --> 00:58:20,414
Talkin' about the songs and
tryin' to improve them,
906
00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:25,211
and add new ones, like "38 Years Old"
was written in a hotel.
907
00:58:25,294 --> 00:58:28,672
Like, I played bass on that
because Gord Sinclair,
908
00:58:28,756 --> 00:58:31,342
it was his guitar riff. [mimics guitar]
909
00:58:31,425 --> 00:58:34,053
[Gord Sinclair]
I mistuned an acoustic guitar.
910
00:58:34,136 --> 00:58:36,680
I wasn't much of a guitar player
back then,
911
00:58:36,764 --> 00:58:40,517
and it dropped the top E and top B string
down a full tone.
912
00:58:40,601 --> 00:58:43,145
Started playing D shapes and C shapes,
913
00:58:43,229 --> 00:58:45,564
and came up with
the musical idea for that song.
914
00:58:45,648 --> 00:58:48,067
And then we started writing it.
915
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:51,779
[Gord Downie] Where I grew up is a place
called Amherstview outside Kingston,
916
00:58:51,862 --> 00:58:56,784
and even closer to Amherstview is
a place called Millhaven Penitentiary.
917
00:58:56,867 --> 00:59:01,121
And I remember one summer,
there was this big, huge jailbreak,
918
00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:04,333
it sort of threw the outlying area
into a real panic.
919
00:59:04,416 --> 00:59:06,627
[reporter]
The man in charge of the hunt
920
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:10,256
says he's still working on the theory
that six of the missing seven
921
00:59:10,339 --> 00:59:12,299
are in the Millhaven area.
922
00:59:12,383 --> 00:59:15,803
♪ Twelve men broke loose in '73 ♪
923
00:59:17,137 --> 00:59:21,433
♪ From Millhaven Maximum Security ♪
924
00:59:21,517 --> 00:59:24,770
{\an8}[Gord Sinclair] There was a real bad man
named Donald Oag,
925
00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:28,983
who was among those guys who got out.
He had it in for Robbie's dad,
926
00:59:29,066 --> 00:59:33,862
who was a Provincial Court judge. And
they actually moved Robbie and his family,
927
00:59:33,946 --> 00:59:35,322
to a hotel downtown.
928
00:59:35,406 --> 00:59:37,533
[Gord Downie]
I remember it was tense.
929
00:59:37,616 --> 00:59:39,535
Everyone was pretty scared
'cause these were...
930
00:59:39,618 --> 00:59:42,371
[Rob] It was front page news
for over a year.
931
00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:44,748
{\an8}But it was also really exciting,
you know.
932
00:59:44,832 --> 00:59:48,002
{\an8}It made the summer kind of exciting.
933
00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:50,921
-Kinda magical. [laughs]
-Well, who knows, you know?
934
00:59:51,005 --> 00:59:55,384
♪ Same pattern on the table
Same clock on the wall ♪
935
00:59:55,467 --> 01:00:00,597
♪ Been one seat empty
Eighteen years in all ♪
936
01:00:00,681 --> 01:00:05,811
♪ Freezing slow time
Away from the world ♪
937
01:00:05,894 --> 01:00:09,898
♪ He's 38 years old
Never kissed a girl ♪
938
01:00:09,982 --> 01:00:12,318
"Thirty-eight years old
and never kissed a girl."
939
01:00:12,401 --> 01:00:15,988
That's how he describes a prisoner
who's been in prison his whole life.
940
01:00:16,071 --> 01:00:17,323
That's storytelling.
941
01:00:17,406 --> 01:00:22,244
That is poetry. Not the kind of thing
you hear from a rock band, period,
942
01:00:22,328 --> 01:00:25,080
let alone a rock band
putting out their first record.
943
01:00:25,164 --> 01:00:28,584
That's why we fell in love
with The Tragically Hip were the lyrics.
944
01:00:28,667 --> 01:00:31,837
{\an8}Every single song would destroy us
in some little way.
945
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,174
The Tragically Hip LP
out in your store now.
946
01:00:35,257 --> 01:00:37,634
It's real good. It's very rock 'n' roll.
947
01:00:37,718 --> 01:00:40,888
When we put out "Up To Here,"
we felt it was success
948
01:00:40,971 --> 01:00:43,265
and we were moving in the right direction.
949
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:45,893
In Canada, the record went exponential.
950
01:00:45,976 --> 01:00:49,897
30,000 at Christmas, to 50,000,
which was gold,
951
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:52,983
to 100,000 a month later,
which was platinum,
952
01:00:53,067 --> 01:00:56,236
to double platinum a month later.
Just blew up.
953
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,699
{\an8}[CASBY presenter] The 1990 CASBY
for fave album of the year goes to...
954
01:01:00,783 --> 01:01:03,118
{\an8}The Tragically Hip. "Up To Here."
955
01:01:03,202 --> 01:01:04,203
{\an8}[crowd cheers]
956
01:01:04,286 --> 01:01:09,166
[JUNO presenter] For Group of The Year
for 1990, The Tragically Hip.
957
01:01:09,249 --> 01:01:11,418
[crowd cheers]
958
01:01:11,502 --> 01:01:14,630
"Up To Here," yeah.
This is my personal favourite.
959
01:01:14,713 --> 01:01:20,719
Um, there are songs
on absolutely every record that I like.
960
01:01:20,803 --> 01:01:26,767
This one has just the fuckin' highest
concentration of them in a row for me.
961
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:30,145
"I'll Believe In You, or
"I'll Be Leaving You Tonight". What a...
962
01:01:30,229 --> 01:01:32,231
Come on, get the fuck outta here.
963
01:01:32,314 --> 01:01:34,817
I'm not gonna talk about
"Blow At High Dough"
964
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:38,112
because how the fuck do you talk about,
"Oh, Canada."
965
01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:41,365
{\an8}I remember spending an entire night,
966
01:01:41,448 --> 01:01:44,535
{\an8}uh, with "Blow At High Dough" on repeat.
967
01:01:44,618 --> 01:01:49,665
And for me, that just... You know, this...
This was how it all started.
968
01:01:49,748 --> 01:01:52,084
["Blow At High Dough"]
969
01:01:52,167 --> 01:01:55,838
[Sarah Harmer] Hearing that record
for the first time, and those songs,
970
01:01:55,921 --> 01:01:59,216
and those stories, you know,
there is meat on the bone here.
971
01:01:59,299 --> 01:02:01,844
There is a lot of amazing material.
972
01:02:03,303 --> 01:02:06,890
I mean, "New Orleans is sinking, man,
and I don't want to swim."
973
01:02:06,974 --> 01:02:09,601
Like, how do you get
fuckin' heavier than that?
974
01:02:09,685 --> 01:02:12,896
Like that...
That's why rock 'n' roll exists!
975
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:19,194
♪ Yeah, I can get behind anything... ♪
976
01:02:19,278 --> 01:02:23,907
[Jake] And before you knew it, we were
offered big money to play bigger venues.
977
01:02:23,991 --> 01:02:27,828
It was like, "Holy fuck!
Things are goin' in the right direction."
978
01:02:27,911 --> 01:02:30,873
[Bernie] Nobody really knew
what they were on the precipice of,
979
01:02:30,956 --> 01:02:33,584
and what was happenin'.
We just knew it was happening.
980
01:02:33,667 --> 01:02:39,089
Ladies and gentlemen,
Kingston's own, The Tragically Hip!
981
01:02:39,173 --> 01:02:43,302
We were hyper aware at the very beginning
that The Tragically Hip were different.
982
01:02:43,385 --> 01:02:46,680
They're the band that was
just lookin' for a place to happen
983
01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:50,934
and it just happened to be at a time
when we were ready for it.
984
01:02:51,018 --> 01:02:52,019
Whoo-hoo!
985
01:02:52,102 --> 01:02:55,522
♪ Yeah, I can get behind anything ♪
986
01:02:55,606 --> 01:02:58,817
♪ Yeah, I can get behind anything ♪
987
01:03:05,824 --> 01:03:08,368
[interviewer]
In terms of your musical future,
988
01:03:08,452 --> 01:03:13,081
would you even attempt to anticipate
where the band's gonna go?
989
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:18,337
I don't know. It kinda, it gets
kinda scary because I, you know, I...
990
01:03:19,630 --> 01:03:23,217
Um... We out of film? Cool.
991
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:24,343
[camera whirs, stops]
992
01:03:27,012 --> 01:03:30,641
["New Orleans Is Sinking"]
993
01:03:30,724 --> 01:03:31,934
♪ All right! ♪
994
01:03:48,408 --> 01:03:52,538
♪ Bourbon blues on the street
Loose and complete ♪
995
01:03:52,621 --> 01:03:56,875
♪ Under skies of smoky blue-green ♪
996
01:03:56,959 --> 01:04:01,338
♪ I can't forsake a dixie dead-shake ♪
997
01:04:01,421 --> 01:04:05,801
♪ So we danced the sidewalk clean ♪
998
01:04:05,884 --> 01:04:10,264
♪ My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in? ♪
999
01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:15,143
♪ New Orleans is sinking, man
And I don't wanna swim ♪
1000
01:04:22,943 --> 01:04:27,197
♪ Colonel Tom, what's wrong?
What's going on? ♪
1001
01:04:27,281 --> 01:04:31,034
♪ Can't tie yourself up for a deal ♪
1002
01:04:31,118 --> 01:04:35,497
♪ He said, "Hey, north, you're south
Shut your big mouth ♪
1003
01:04:35,581 --> 01:04:40,210
♪ You gotta do what you feel is real" ♪
1004
01:04:40,294 --> 01:04:44,256
♪ Ain't got no picture postcards
Ain't got no souvenirs ♪
1005
01:04:44,339 --> 01:04:48,552
♪ My baby, she don't know me
When I'm thinking 'bout those years ♪
88744
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