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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,611 --> 00:00:30,613 [dog yipping] 2 00:00:38,830 --> 00:00:40,123 [man 1] Southeast wind. 3 00:00:45,086 --> 00:00:46,087 [camera snaps] 4 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:52,427 -[man 1] You watch for the gator. -[man 2] Yeah, I'll watch. 5 00:00:55,638 --> 00:00:58,099 [camera clicking] 6 00:01:05,482 --> 00:01:06,816 [man 1] I'm gonna use my hand. 7 00:01:08,234 --> 00:01:09,527 They're all in here. 8 00:01:13,281 --> 00:01:14,157 Right here. 9 00:01:16,534 --> 00:01:17,744 These aren't rocks. 10 00:01:19,245 --> 00:01:20,121 They're pellets. 11 00:01:23,958 --> 00:01:25,043 [man 3] It was a job. 12 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:27,462 Good money. 13 00:01:29,255 --> 00:01:30,632 It's all about money. 14 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,842 Benefits. 15 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:37,222 When you're bringing home $80,000, $90,000 a year, 16 00:01:38,056 --> 00:01:40,308 driving a new car, kids are in school... 17 00:01:40,391 --> 00:01:42,393 Hey man, life is good. 18 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:47,398 [man 4] They didn't make any bones about telling you that there's... 19 00:01:47,857 --> 00:01:50,944 200 people waiting in line for your job. 20 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:54,489 I skirted around it and tried to... 21 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:57,075 keep myself out of it. 22 00:01:58,618 --> 00:02:01,037 But then you get to a point to where enough is enough, 23 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:02,497 and you gotta do something or... 24 00:02:03,665 --> 00:02:04,916 you don't sleep at night. 25 00:02:06,876 --> 00:02:10,046 [man 3] People kept telling me, "Leave it alone, leave it alone." 26 00:02:12,841 --> 00:02:13,758 But, uh... 27 00:02:14,717 --> 00:02:16,511 conscience got the best of me. 28 00:02:19,097 --> 00:02:21,099 ["Lie, Cheat, Steal" by Run the Jewels plays] 29 00:02:29,607 --> 00:02:34,362 ♪ Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win, win ♪ 30 00:02:34,445 --> 00:02:35,822 ♪ Everybody doin' it ♪ 31 00:02:35,905 --> 00:02:39,993 ♪ Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win ♪ 32 00:02:40,076 --> 00:02:41,578 ♪ Everybody doin' it ♪ 33 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:45,165 ♪ Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win ♪ 34 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:04,434 [woman speaking Chinese] My children... 35 00:03:06,936 --> 00:03:10,982 although wealth is something everyone loves to have, 36 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:13,610 nobody is born with it, 37 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:17,488 nor can it be taken with them when they leave this earth.   38 00:03:22,243 --> 00:03:24,412 My conviction has grown 39 00:03:24,787 --> 00:03:31,294 that the greatest meaning and value in life 40 00:03:32,795 --> 00:03:35,965 lies in giving your all to contribute 41 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:40,011 to the beauty and betterment of society. 42 00:03:42,513 --> 00:03:45,308 I hope that all of my sons and daughters 43 00:03:45,391 --> 00:03:48,269 can fully understand the true meaning of life... 44 00:03:49,562 --> 00:03:52,815 to leave my wealth for all of society. 45 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:58,279 I hope the company I've founded in this lifetime 46 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:00,156 will be managed with sustainability in mind,   47 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,326 and be a blessing for employees and society in the long run.   48 00:04:14,212 --> 00:04:17,674 [woman] Formosa first arrived in the US in the 1980s, 49 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:23,596 and set up a small PVC plant in Calhoun County, 50 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,099 in a small community called Point Comfort. 51 00:04:27,558 --> 00:04:29,352 Quite quickly after it arrived, 52 00:04:29,435 --> 00:04:32,438 the company developed somewhat of a reputation, 53 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:36,609 being a frequent violator of environmental rules. 54 00:04:38,444 --> 00:04:41,281 It got slapped with a whole bunch of penalties early on. 55 00:04:41,364 --> 00:04:45,410 A number of allegations against it around poor worker safety conditions... 56 00:04:45,868 --> 00:04:49,330 releases of gas and chemicals into the waterways. 57 00:04:52,166 --> 00:04:56,045 It had similar issues around its environmental record in Taiwan. 58 00:04:57,672 --> 00:05:00,049 And so we could say that it had problems abroad. 59 00:05:03,177 --> 00:05:05,471 But you've really got to look at Formosa 60 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:08,641 through the lens of Texas and Texas politics. 61 00:05:11,227 --> 00:05:12,645 [man] We needed jobs... 62 00:05:14,105 --> 00:05:15,189 desperately. 63 00:05:16,649 --> 00:05:18,318 Formosa, at the time, 64 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:20,653 was a 100 million dollar plant, 65 00:05:21,112 --> 00:05:24,657 And they were talking in terms of a-billion-400-million... 66 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:26,826 dollar plant. 67 00:05:27,952 --> 00:05:31,080 There would be approximately 1,500 jobs, 68 00:05:31,831 --> 00:05:36,753 And the jobs were paying about $70,000, $75,000 a year. 69 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:38,796 That was in 1988. 70 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:41,007 You know, 30 years ago, 71 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:44,927 that was very important to... to the community. 72 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:48,473 [man 2] They're talking about billions of dollars of investment 73 00:05:48,556 --> 00:05:49,474 in the state of Texas. 74 00:05:49,891 --> 00:05:51,893 It got the eye of the Texas Water Commission, 75 00:05:51,976 --> 00:05:52,935 the governor of Texas. 76 00:05:53,853 --> 00:05:55,730 When Chairman Wang came over here, 77 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:58,858 he talked to the state of Texas, the Regulatory Commission. 78 00:05:58,941 --> 00:05:59,984 He talked to vendors. 79 00:06:00,068 --> 00:06:04,405 So Chairman Wang was really-- He's uneducated. Uneducated. 80 00:06:05,073 --> 00:06:06,324 Was a brilliant man. 81 00:06:06,824 --> 00:06:09,994 [Wyatt] If you're from Taiwan, you probably hold him on a pedestal. 82 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:11,454 You know, it-- 83 00:06:12,622 --> 00:06:15,833 I am told that the Chairman, when he goes to Taiwan, 84 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:18,378 if he wants to speak with the president of the country... 85 00:06:19,420 --> 00:06:22,507 gets in his car and calls him on the phone and said, 86 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:25,885 "Gee whiz, I'd like to come visit with you." 87 00:06:26,552 --> 00:06:29,639 He was an individual with a great deal of power behind him. 88 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:34,602 In terms of coming to Texas and should he do that... 89 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:38,147 it would have meant a whole lot to us. 90 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:44,487 I had been in the Middle East, 91 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:48,950 I had been to Europe, been to Ireland, but I had never been to Taiwan. 92 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:54,497 We met with a table that was fully 20 feet long. 93 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:59,752 We made our presentation as to what Texas would provide. 94 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:02,964 We offered $30 million to build and improve 95 00:07:03,047 --> 00:07:05,049 the port of Port Lavaca, Point Comfort. 96 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:06,801 We provided for a railroad... 97 00:07:07,718 --> 00:07:09,011 plus tax abatement. 98 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:11,973 You had a lot of tax abatement in Texas. 99 00:07:12,598 --> 00:07:14,642 The chairman listened very politely. Uh... 100 00:07:15,893 --> 00:07:18,688 After that, he didn't say anything more. 101 00:07:18,771 --> 00:07:20,440 I believed that, quite frankly, 102 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:23,317 that they were in favor of Formosa going to Louisiana. 103 00:07:25,153 --> 00:07:26,821 We came back the next morning, 104 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,575 and the chairman indicated that he was coming to Texas. 105 00:07:31,742 --> 00:07:32,869 Interestingly enough, 106 00:07:33,494 --> 00:07:35,079 his first words to me... 107 00:07:35,746 --> 00:07:36,831 in English... 108 00:07:37,748 --> 00:07:41,711 was, "Joe, I will see you in November." 109 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,840 The governor was there, the senator was there. 110 00:07:47,508 --> 00:07:50,803 It was very meaningful for Calhoun County. 111 00:07:54,849 --> 00:07:56,851 [man] It was just constant, steady work. 112 00:07:57,268 --> 00:08:01,606 Unloading steel, pouring concrete, building forms. 113 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,568 They told us that, since we worked construction 114 00:08:05,651 --> 00:08:07,069 and helped build the plant, 115 00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:08,488 we got... 116 00:08:09,238 --> 00:08:10,072 hired on. 117 00:08:11,532 --> 00:08:13,326 [man 2] The Formosa plant in Point Comfort 118 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:17,371 doesn't make plastic like the plastic bags. 119 00:08:17,455 --> 00:08:20,291 They make the resin and stuff that they sell to other companies 120 00:08:20,374 --> 00:08:23,711 that make plastic and pipe and stuff like that. 121 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:26,297 [man] We made powder. 122 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:28,674 Polyvinyl chloride. 123 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:31,969 To make it easy, it's like mixing a cake. 124 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:35,681 We had a hot mix man that mixed up all the chemicals. 125 00:08:36,224 --> 00:08:38,935 [Rozner] We start with something like ethylene dichloride. 126 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:41,938 And then you would process that to something else, 127 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:44,106 say, like, to vinyl chloride. 128 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:48,945 And you would use vinyl chloride to make, say, the PVC resin. 129 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,948 [woman speaking Chinese] 130 00:08:52,031 --> 00:08:56,077 These powder-small particles are the raw materials. 131 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,622 [speaking Chinese] And after making fiber, they can use it to make other things. 132 00:09:00,081 --> 00:09:03,918 For example, carpets, diapers. 133 00:09:04,001 --> 00:09:07,296 [woman speaking Chinese] All the diapers in the world could originate from this. 134 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:10,174 [speaking Chinese] Oh yes, that's possible. Also the carpet in your home. 135 00:09:13,719 --> 00:09:14,804 [man] Fresh as they come. 136 00:09:17,056 --> 00:09:18,099 They're all plastic. 137 00:09:18,724 --> 00:09:21,352 [man 2] And they're all over the bay. We find them everywhere. 138 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:23,980 Every spot that we go to, 139 00:09:24,063 --> 00:09:26,148 we make a detailed list of what we're finding, 140 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,360 where we are, and all types of relevant information. 141 00:09:32,863 --> 00:09:35,866 [man 1] On the north side of this creek, 142 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:38,953 that's Formosa's outfalls. 143 00:09:39,203 --> 00:09:41,664 But everything is owned. 144 00:09:42,164 --> 00:09:44,166 See Formosa Plastics coming by to check on us? 145 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:45,251 [Hamrick] The north side. 146 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:49,380 They were taking pictures of us, what, the other day, 147 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:51,382 I think, when Diane was out here. 148 00:09:51,465 --> 00:09:53,050 Yes, taking pictures. 149 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:56,137 [Hamrick] Well, we're going to take them, too. 150 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:11,485 [horn honks] 151 00:10:21,954 --> 00:10:22,955 [horn honking] 152 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:25,416 [Rozner] This is kind of my sanctuary right here. 153 00:10:29,211 --> 00:10:30,755 This is my bread and butter. 154 00:10:30,838 --> 00:10:31,881 [cows moo] 155 00:10:34,675 --> 00:10:36,761 [Rozner] In 2000, when I went to work for Formosa, 156 00:10:36,844 --> 00:10:39,388 this is not where I thought that I would end up at. 157 00:10:43,642 --> 00:10:47,021 I had a lot of high expectations, going into the job. 158 00:10:48,147 --> 00:10:50,274 I got outstanding employee of the quarter, 159 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,237 and I was promoted to production supervisor. 160 00:10:58,699 --> 00:11:02,370 But everything that we learned and all the studying and all the... 161 00:11:03,871 --> 00:11:08,918 calculations and all the scratch paper and everything that we went through... 162 00:11:09,627 --> 00:11:11,462 really didn't mean anything. 163 00:11:12,838 --> 00:11:16,384 We weren't following air permit rules. We weren't following... 164 00:11:16,967 --> 00:11:19,136 toxic substance control acts. 165 00:11:19,553 --> 00:11:22,181 We weren't following clean water acts. 166 00:11:23,224 --> 00:11:27,395 They made it clear that environmental restraints, safety restraints, 167 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:30,106 were not going to get in the way of production. 168 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:36,278 [Jurasek] They called me, basically, the lead operator. 169 00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:40,074 When something happened, I'd be the first one to come help 170 00:11:40,157 --> 00:11:42,702 and take-- take care of the situation at hand. 171 00:11:45,037 --> 00:11:47,248 You worry about these chemicals... 172 00:11:48,082 --> 00:11:50,084 because you know that they cause cancer. 173 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:53,754 Because I've seen fellow employees 174 00:11:53,838 --> 00:11:56,340 throwing up just from getting hit with gas. 175 00:12:00,344 --> 00:12:03,180 Something that you learn to live by as an operator 176 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:06,517 is, you know, you just go in there and you do what you got to do 177 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,352 and keep your mouth shut about it. 178 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:13,023 And when you start breaking laws, you start to wonder 179 00:12:13,107 --> 00:12:14,692 what's right and what's wrong. 180 00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:21,157 According to EPA, 181 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:24,535 you had to sample each stream of water that came in 182 00:12:25,035 --> 00:12:26,579 for 24 hours. 183 00:12:28,497 --> 00:12:32,460 And at eight o'clock that morning, we have to take these samples to the lab, 184 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:36,547 because all of this was critiqued by the Texas Water Commission. 185 00:12:39,341 --> 00:12:41,927 Morning, we go in there, we open up the door, 186 00:12:42,678 --> 00:12:44,513 a five-gallon bottle 187 00:12:45,222 --> 00:12:48,267 would be one-quarter sludge. 188 00:12:49,351 --> 00:12:51,771 Supervision knew this had to be reported. 189 00:12:53,105 --> 00:12:56,650 And they knew that the operators were gonna take it as it was. 190 00:12:57,693 --> 00:12:59,945 And so, they would stop us... 191 00:13:00,571 --> 00:13:04,283 tell us, "Dump it out and refill it with good water." 192 00:13:05,743 --> 00:13:07,995 And I looked at him, I said, "No." 193 00:13:08,162 --> 00:13:10,790 I said, "I'm not going to do that for you." 194 00:13:10,873 --> 00:13:12,875 I said, "I'm sorry. I'm not going to do it." 195 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:15,211 I said, "This is against the law." 196 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:18,172 And I said, "I'm not going to jail for Formosa, period." 197 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:22,927 And so, he grabs it from me and he does it. 198 00:13:23,427 --> 00:13:27,598 Takes the stuff that was in the jar, the bad stuff, and just... [spits] 199 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:28,933 dumps it on the concrete. 200 00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:32,144 And says, "All right, take it to the lab now." 201 00:13:33,562 --> 00:13:36,232 What do you do? Retaliate? You can't retaliate. 202 00:13:36,315 --> 00:13:37,817 You lose your job right there. 203 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:41,570 I've seen chemicals being washed down 204 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:45,699 straight to the storm sewer and being shot to the bay. 205 00:13:46,575 --> 00:13:49,578 That was just some of the things you come across. 206 00:13:52,581 --> 00:13:55,543 [Hamrick] I'll tell you what, when I first started, I loved my job. 207 00:13:56,418 --> 00:14:00,172 And as it went on, it just got worse and worse... 208 00:14:00,631 --> 00:14:02,466 because things would happen. 209 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:03,801 You'd lie. 210 00:14:04,176 --> 00:14:06,387 Say, if I fill out the incident report, 211 00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:08,472 I don't fill out the amounts. 212 00:14:09,056 --> 00:14:12,685 They want you to put down what they tell you to put down, 213 00:14:12,768 --> 00:14:14,061 and that's what you do. 214 00:14:14,144 --> 00:14:15,771 They don't want to spend the money. 215 00:14:15,854 --> 00:14:18,232 If they don't have to spend it, they're not going to spend it. 216 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:27,157 [woman] In 2013, Formosa was getting their permit renewed. 217 00:14:28,325 --> 00:14:30,160 The permit says 218 00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:34,290 you may not discharge more than a trace amount of pellets. 219 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:37,960 [woman 2] These were the ones that we entered into-- as actual exhibits. 220 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:39,461 Look. 221 00:14:40,504 --> 00:14:41,839 Look! 222 00:14:42,298 --> 00:14:46,010 What "trace amount" means is... it's so little, it's hard to see. 223 00:14:47,761 --> 00:14:50,180 [Hamrick] This stuff is in the water, you know? 224 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:52,308 Your fish are going to take it in. 225 00:14:52,516 --> 00:14:56,562 Then you got the children that's playing, that's in the water. 226 00:14:57,521 --> 00:14:59,315 When I met one of the engineers, 227 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:01,525 I said, "You're fixing to get a lawsuit, 228 00:15:01,609 --> 00:15:03,902 a federal lawsuit, filed against you." 229 00:15:04,862 --> 00:15:06,488 Well, I told him that. 230 00:15:06,989 --> 00:15:09,158 He just-- he took it as a joke. 231 00:15:09,658 --> 00:15:12,411 See, Formosa didn't think this would happen. 232 00:15:13,495 --> 00:15:15,539 I've been an environmental lawyer for a lot of years, 233 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:17,291 and I've never had a case like this. 234 00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:20,544 It's citizen-collected evidence. 235 00:15:21,128 --> 00:15:23,839 Probably the biggest example 236 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,010 of citizen-gathered evidence to prosecute a Clean Water Act case. 237 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:31,597 And I can tell you, lots and lots of years, 238 00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:32,765 people... 239 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:35,601 who worked for the company were telling the company 240 00:15:35,684 --> 00:15:37,561 that they have all kinds of problems. 241 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:39,355 [indistinct conversation] 242 00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:42,691 [Johnson] These ex-employees are not a bunch of environmentalists 243 00:15:42,775 --> 00:15:45,611 in a traditional sense of the word. 244 00:15:45,694 --> 00:15:47,738 You know, they're not members of Sierra Club. 245 00:15:47,821 --> 00:15:50,199 They are doing this out of a sense of concern 246 00:15:50,282 --> 00:15:51,950 for their community, and... 247 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:55,287 it's just people who think you should follow the law. 248 00:15:56,413 --> 00:16:00,084 [woman] FPG today employs over 110,000 people. 249 00:16:00,167 --> 00:16:03,420 The group is capitalized at 21 billion US dollars, 250 00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:06,715 owns nearly 103 billion U.S. dollars in assets, 251 00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:11,178 and, in 2015, achieved revenues of over 60 billion. 252 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:14,348 Production operations girdle the globe, 253 00:16:14,598 --> 00:16:18,435 with major plants in Taiwan, the USA, China, 254 00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:21,855 Vietnam, the Philippines, and Indonesia. 255 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:32,700 [Wang speaking Chinese] There is no pollution to speak of. 256 00:16:34,118 --> 00:16:38,122 I'll say it one more time. You say serious pollution... 257 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:41,125 It's laughable. It really is laughable. 258 00:16:41,208 --> 00:16:44,211 There simply won't be any pollution. 259 00:16:47,047 --> 00:16:50,843 [man] When you look at the story of plastics and plastic pollution, 260 00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:55,639 I think Formosa is emblematic of how little of that story 261 00:16:55,723 --> 00:16:57,391 most people really understand. 262 00:16:58,142 --> 00:16:59,935 Most people, when they think about plastics, 263 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,353 if they think about it at all, 264 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:04,314 they think about it as something that magically shows up 265 00:17:04,398 --> 00:17:07,359 in an Amazon box or on the store shelf, 266 00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:09,570 and then it disappears just as quickly. 267 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:11,780 Maybe you recycle it, maybe you don't, 268 00:17:11,864 --> 00:17:14,199 but the plastic is there and gone before you think about it. 269 00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:16,618 And what Formosa demonstrates 270 00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:19,288 is that story of plastic is much bigger, 271 00:17:19,621 --> 00:17:23,000 and, I think, more challenging than most people recognize. 272 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,213 [man] The picture you are about to see is the story of a dynamic part 273 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:29,673 of a remarkable new industry. 274 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:30,591 [audience applauding] 275 00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:32,051 ♪ Tupperware ♪ 276 00:17:33,802 --> 00:17:35,929 ♪ Tupperware ♪ 277 00:17:38,223 --> 00:17:41,810 ♪ They came from everywhere ♪ 278 00:17:41,894 --> 00:17:46,815 ♪ Orlando to Delaware to buy it ♪ 279 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:52,696 [man] Developed as an insulating material, it had unheard of qualities. 280 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:54,156 It was unbreakable, 281 00:17:54,448 --> 00:17:56,366 odorless, tasteless. 282 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:59,244 [Muffett] The real excitement for plastics came from the fact 283 00:17:59,328 --> 00:18:02,331 that plastics are, above all else, 284 00:18:02,539 --> 00:18:03,373 cheap. 285 00:18:03,457 --> 00:18:04,666 [man] New low-cost furniture... 286 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:08,587 [Muffett] It's not driven by a demand for more plastics here in the US, 287 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:13,091 but it's driven by a massive supply of cheap gas 288 00:18:13,175 --> 00:18:15,260 that can be used to produce more plastics, 289 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:17,888 no matter what the true consequences of that are. 290 00:18:20,307 --> 00:18:23,644 Ninety-nine percent of what goes into plastics are fossil fuels. 291 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:25,896 Oil, gas and coal. 292 00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:30,025 And so, the human health and the environmental impacts of plastic, 293 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:34,363 they begin not on the store shelf, but at the wellhead and the drill pad, 294 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:39,409 with the release of toxic contaminants into people's air and into people's water. 295 00:18:40,911 --> 00:18:41,870 And then those impacts 296 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:44,456 follow the pipelines down to the refineries, 297 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:47,000 to the facilities like Formosa, 298 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:50,712 where they produce the chemical reactions that will create the plastics. 299 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:57,010 And then the plastics enter our kitchen and leak micro-plastic debris 300 00:18:57,094 --> 00:18:58,637 all over our kitchen counters, 301 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,181 and find their way into our mouths and our bodies. 302 00:19:02,015 --> 00:19:04,017 After plastics leave our houses, 303 00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:07,604 they go to be disposed of through incinerators 304 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:10,107 that themselves release a host 305 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:14,570 of really highly toxic compounds into surrounding communities. 306 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,490 Plastics have been found in drinking water supplies 307 00:19:18,574 --> 00:19:19,700 around the world. 308 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,244 More than 690 species, 309 00:19:22,327 --> 00:19:26,165 including important food species in the marine ecosystems, 310 00:19:26,248 --> 00:19:30,419 have been found to have plastics throughout their guts and their bodies. 311 00:19:30,961 --> 00:19:33,338 They've been found in agricultural soils, 312 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:37,551 which increases the risk that the toxins that travel with the plastics 313 00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:40,470 could enter the food we eat through the ground. 314 00:19:41,138 --> 00:19:43,891 And plastics have been detected in human bodies, 315 00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:47,186 over and over again, in countries around the world. 316 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:50,772 This means that we are not only living in a plastic planet, 317 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:53,984 but we are, ourselves, increasingly becoming plastic. 318 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:09,625 [grunts] 319 00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:10,918 Oh, there. Let me see. 320 00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:14,004 Make sure I'm in park. 321 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:21,220 Maybe if I had a-- 322 00:20:21,303 --> 00:20:22,387 [tape ripping] 323 00:20:28,226 --> 00:20:29,061 [grunts] 324 00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:30,646 [muffled] Ah-ha! 325 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:37,027 The guys tell me this is the way they fix leaks at Formosa. 326 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:38,779 Duct tape. 327 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:42,324 Believe it or not, 328 00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:45,410 Port Lavaca, the community we're going through right now, 329 00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:50,332 in 1930 was the number one port 330 00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:52,751 in the entire United States 331 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,087 for, uh, shipping out shrimp. 332 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:59,091 And it's-- now there are no fish houses. 333 00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:01,885 I never, in my life, 334 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:05,472 thought I would see the end of the fishing industry. 335 00:21:07,349 --> 00:21:09,268 And this is Lavaca Bay up here. 336 00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:12,396 People take their kids swimming, wading out there. 337 00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,233 And then you go out there and you'll see all of this powder, 338 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:19,194 you know, polyethylene, polyvinyl chloride, 339 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:21,280 rolling in with the waves. 340 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,993 But all of that is Formosa, all of that out there is Formosa. 341 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:33,792 My family has been here 120 years, 342 00:21:33,875 --> 00:21:37,921 so you have a real sense of place. 343 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:40,257 I was a fisherwoman. 344 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:43,010 That is my identity. 345 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:46,346 I was, uh, my own boat captain before I was 21, 346 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:47,681 and ran my own boat. 347 00:21:47,764 --> 00:21:49,766 But when I was a kid, 348 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:52,602 everything, the family, 349 00:21:52,686 --> 00:21:56,898 was the bay, and the fish house, and the boats. 350 00:21:56,982 --> 00:22:01,695 And when a season started, it was like a-- it was like a celebration. 351 00:22:02,237 --> 00:22:05,198 Dragging the nets and dragging the gear, and... 352 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:08,660 I remember when I was very, very young, 353 00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:10,996 I literally-- and this is true, 354 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:15,167 I literally could see the water. 355 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:18,003 I could see her and she was a person. 356 00:22:18,086 --> 00:22:20,630 She was... she was an old woman, 357 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,300 and she had the feeling of a grandmother, 358 00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:26,803 and I could go to that bay, and it's like, there she was. 359 00:22:27,262 --> 00:22:30,557 And I have never forgotten that. 360 00:22:32,517 --> 00:22:36,563 So, for me, when they go after the bay, 361 00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:38,982 it's like they go after 362 00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:42,736 a living being that is kin to me, 363 00:22:42,819 --> 00:22:45,155 and I'm like, "You can get many things, 364 00:22:45,238 --> 00:22:50,702 you can get many prizes and honors, but they are not getting the bay." 365 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:55,457 Hello. 366 00:22:55,957 --> 00:22:56,792 Diane. 367 00:22:56,875 --> 00:22:58,710 Hi, I'm Diane Wilson. Nice to meet you. 368 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:02,130 [Wilson] Hi. How're you doing? How you doing? 369 00:23:04,591 --> 00:23:06,593 [man speaking Chinese] This is Diane Wilson. 370 00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:09,471 [man speaking Vietnamese] Over the past five years, 371 00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:13,850 she has been the lead representative of the group who sued the Formosa company. 372 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:16,853 She has collected more than 2,400 samples from the water.   373 00:23:18,313 --> 00:23:21,316 [Wilson] All right, we're going to do the press conference 374 00:23:21,399 --> 00:23:24,653 on the other side, and it's by Formosa's facility. 375 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:28,824 Diane has been fighting with this company for years. 376 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:31,952 [O'Regan] Diane's been at it for 30-plus years now. 377 00:23:32,202 --> 00:23:35,789 She has become the leader of this informal group. 378 00:23:35,872 --> 00:23:39,167 They really rely on Diane as a support, 379 00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:42,003 and I'm sure that she relies on them too. 380 00:23:44,297 --> 00:23:48,135 [Wilson] Very early, the workers started reaching out to me. 381 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:50,971 They started giving me information. 382 00:23:51,054 --> 00:23:54,224 [man] The equipment, the cheapest, most outdated or even discontinued... 383 00:23:54,307 --> 00:23:55,892 [Wilson] I got to know them very well. 384 00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:58,395 [man] Leaks and spills everywhere of highly corrosive material. 385 00:23:58,478 --> 00:24:00,730 Regular night dumps and burns... 386 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:04,443 [Wilson] Saw their documentation, saw their photographs, 387 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:07,195 saw their injuries, saw their trauma. 388 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,948 [man] ...experiencing unbearable pains throughout my whole body. 389 00:24:10,073 --> 00:24:11,074 My pain is in my bones. 390 00:24:11,158 --> 00:24:14,619 [Wilson] I started hearing from the workers about all the powder. 391 00:24:15,036 --> 00:24:16,830 They said it's got vinyl chloride, 392 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:18,832 it causes liver cancer, 393 00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:20,750 and it's out there in the bay. 394 00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:25,839 [man] You get that kids swim out here? Jet skis and everything else. 395 00:24:25,922 --> 00:24:27,215 [Johnson] In environmental cases, 396 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,467 there's something called the "economic benefit." 397 00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:32,053 You look at what should they have done. 398 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,556 They should have designed their storm water system differently. 399 00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:37,309 They should have put something on their wastewater treatment plant 400 00:24:37,392 --> 00:24:40,061 before it came to the plant, not at the end of the pipe. 401 00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:42,230 They should have done some more source control, 402 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:43,940 some other things like that, 403 00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:46,151 and they should have done it in 2000 404 00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:49,029 when Dale Jurasek told them, "You got problems." 405 00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:52,657 So you look at how much would it have cost them 406 00:24:52,741 --> 00:24:54,701 if they had followed the law. 407 00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:57,412 It's 43 million dollars. 408 00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:00,999 [Wilson] It is the workers 409 00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:04,252 who gave me a window 410 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:08,215 into the soul of that company over there. 411 00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:12,219 [man] "Cut the cost, make it cheaper," is the FPC mentality. 412 00:25:17,307 --> 00:25:19,893 [Rozner] In April 22nd, 2014, 413 00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:22,395 we had a fatality at... 414 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:24,773 at the SPVC unit. 415 00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:28,610 There was a young man that was working on the tank, 416 00:25:29,444 --> 00:25:31,404 and he fell inside the tank. 417 00:25:32,405 --> 00:25:34,950 He was in there for, uh, quite... 418 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,245 a while before he was, uh... found. 419 00:25:40,038 --> 00:25:43,124 The young man was doing what he was told to do 420 00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:45,877 by upper management at Formosa. 421 00:25:46,461 --> 00:25:49,881 And there were safety issues that were not being followed. 422 00:25:50,257 --> 00:25:52,217 Uh, they did know that. 423 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:57,472 And that was the turning point where I said, "Enough is enough," 424 00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:00,725 and I slowly increased 425 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:04,688 my concerns, my reports to management. 426 00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:10,402 I told my manager that I was going to contact the EPA 427 00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:14,614 and I was going to inform them of what was being done. 428 00:26:15,365 --> 00:26:17,075 That I had had enough and that... 429 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:21,955 I didn't want it on my conscience of somebody else losing their life. 430 00:26:23,331 --> 00:26:25,458 And the next day, I was terminated. 431 00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:27,836 It was... 432 00:26:28,169 --> 00:26:31,298 "conduct unbecoming a Formosa employee"... 433 00:26:33,383 --> 00:26:34,342 believe it or not. 434 00:26:37,929 --> 00:26:39,180 [Johnson] There's fear. 435 00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:41,891 There's fear that people are going to get retaliated against. 436 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:46,563 I mean, I had to talk to quite a few people who wouldn't testify 437 00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:48,148 because they were afraid 438 00:26:48,231 --> 00:26:50,692 of what would happen to them or their relatives. 439 00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:54,404 But Van is a brave soul, 440 00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:57,240 because when he was a supervisor there, he took pictures. 441 00:26:57,824 --> 00:26:59,993 And he saved them, and he wasn't supposed to do that. 442 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:04,372 But we're going to, tomorrow, in opening statement, show these pictures 443 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:06,958 where it looks like a snowstorm and it's... 444 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:10,128 SPVC powder all over the place. 445 00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:13,673 And we have those because Van was brave enough to do that. 446 00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:17,761 The whistleblowers around Formosa 447 00:27:17,844 --> 00:27:20,180 have popped up at various times in its history. 448 00:27:20,555 --> 00:27:23,975 Some of them are talking about a different time, some decades ago. 449 00:27:25,935 --> 00:27:28,772 Some of them, like Van, are speaking about recent events. 450 00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:32,525 So you're dealing with a lot of different pockets of time. 451 00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:34,194 So many years have gone by, 452 00:27:34,277 --> 00:27:37,072 there's such a sprawling history to this whole story. 453 00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:43,328 [woman] There was, you know what, 20 years ago, 454 00:27:43,411 --> 00:27:45,830 a lady and some mothers who lived in Point Comfort, 455 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:48,833 called me and asked me to represent them, 456 00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:52,962 because there were so many explosions and upsets and incidences, 457 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,299 some of which the children would have to be sheltered in place 458 00:27:56,383 --> 00:27:58,134 -in the elementary school... -[sirens wail] 459 00:27:58,218 --> 00:27:59,844 ...and the roads would be blocked, 460 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:02,389 so the parents couldn't get back to their children. 461 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:03,473 [sirens continue wailing] 462 00:28:03,556 --> 00:28:07,686 And they became scared to live there and they had to move away. 463 00:28:09,145 --> 00:28:11,898 I started getting calls from other people 464 00:28:11,981 --> 00:28:15,860 who were injured at the plant or who had issues with Formosa. 465 00:28:16,486 --> 00:28:19,656 And so then suddenly, I was representing 87 people here. 466 00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:24,119 This is a list of the Clean Air Act violations 467 00:28:24,619 --> 00:28:27,455 beginning in '93, but there's some in '94. 468 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:32,168 The company is supposed to give the government a conservative model 469 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:35,046 to say, "Look, these are the chemicals we're going to use, 470 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:37,507 this is what we are emitting into the air, 471 00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:40,301 and we're going to tell you the most it could ever be." 472 00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:43,972 We actually hired someone 473 00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:46,433 who used to do air modeling for the government 474 00:28:46,933 --> 00:28:50,937 to do an air dispersion model at Point Comfort. 475 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:55,400 And it showed a much higher level of pollution 476 00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:58,445 than what Formosa had represented to get their permit. 477 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:05,994 What I basically did with the property owners in Point Comfort, 478 00:29:06,077 --> 00:29:07,996 and even the people that have been hurt, 479 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,082 is I can move them away from harm's way, 480 00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:15,003 but I can't change the fact that their community was altered. 481 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:21,384 And these people had planned to live in Point Comfort for generations. 482 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:25,138 Money doesn't solve that. 483 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:32,353 [speaking Chinese] I've never shown you all this before. 484 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,689 So now I want to introduce this Japanese factory. 485 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,275 This is called... 486 00:29:37,817 --> 00:29:40,236 This is a petrochemical plant. 487 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:44,949 As you can see in the picture, it is just like a public park. 488 00:29:45,825 --> 00:29:47,285 Exactly like a park. 489 00:29:49,037 --> 00:29:51,498 [Wilson] Formosa was trying to build 490 00:29:51,581 --> 00:29:54,292 this huge expansion in Taiwan. 491 00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:59,547 [speaking Chinese] I have previously said that, of everyone in Yilan County, 492 00:29:59,631 --> 00:30:03,635 perhaps those I care about most are the fishermen in Su'ao. 493 00:30:03,927 --> 00:30:06,221 [Wilson] He had screwed it up so royally 494 00:30:06,429 --> 00:30:09,974 that the villagers had literally thrown rocks 495 00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:11,643 when he came down to talk. 496 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:18,233 But they were pretty sure that people in Texas would, uh... 497 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,361 be quiet and just stay out of it. 498 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,242 [speaking Chinese] They've sacrificed our people's health 499 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:29,828 for their own profit and benefit. 500 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:32,831 It really is a company with no ethics of conscience.   501 00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:36,251 I hope they can find some morality and stop making this dirty money. 502 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:39,003 [speaking Chinese] ...remove mercury waste. No to pollution. 503 00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,130 Survival. 504 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:45,260 [man speaking Chinese] The government and FPC covered many things up. 505 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:47,011 They seriously exceeded safety limits. 506 00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:50,223 Nobody here in Renwu village knew. We were all kept in the dark. 507 00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:52,684 This should be punished by law. 508 00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:54,894 [man 2 speaking Chinese] Come out, you filthy liars. 509 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,522 [demonstrator yelling] 510 00:30:57,605 --> 00:31:00,024 [man 2] All the ponds are polluted. 511 00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:03,403 All the prawns and clams are dying. 512 00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:07,448 [man 3] It's upsetting. When I come here, I just want to cry. Each one is the same. 513 00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:11,035 -[whistle blowing] -[air horn blaring] 514 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:12,370 [man 2] We told them to improve. 515 00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:14,664 We've said that for 30 years. When's it going to happen?   516 00:31:14,747 --> 00:31:18,209 It started with mercury waste. Time after time they are poisoning us. 517 00:31:18,459 --> 00:31:21,004 How have the people nearby benefited? There's been no benefit. 518 00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:23,089 They've given me cancer, that's all. 519 00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:25,341 [man speaking Chinese] YC Wang... 520 00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,760 Your 5,000 tons of mercury waste... 521 00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:31,723 dumped onto our home in Xinyuan for two years... 522 00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:33,850 we're only asking you to have this for just two hours. 523 00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:37,145 -[clamoring] -[whistles blowing] 524 00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:39,063 Fellow countrymen. 525 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,733 You are breaking the law. 526 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,818 [clamoring continues] 527 00:31:43,901 --> 00:31:45,820 [whistles blowing] 528 00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:57,749 [Wyatt] Quite frankly, 529 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,377 I have never been assured that, uh-- 530 00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:03,504 convinced, at least, 531 00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:06,591 that Formosa was a bad corporate citizen. 532 00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:10,553 Uh, I mean, I think that they tried to play by the rules. 533 00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:14,349 [Ford] Formosa's getting sued all the time. They're used to it. 534 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:17,393 They got a big staff of people and they got, 535 00:32:17,477 --> 00:32:20,730 not just me, but other consultants that work with them on litigation. 536 00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,149 A lot of plaintiffs don't like big industry, 537 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:24,859 so they just like to sue Formosa. 538 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,946 It's almost a... it's almost a habit to sue Formosa. 539 00:32:28,404 --> 00:32:31,074 [Wyatt] There were all kinds of rumors out there that, that, you know, 540 00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:34,827 we'd buried drums, that we'd done all this sort of stuff. 541 00:32:35,828 --> 00:32:37,413 You know, where are they? 542 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,667 I was fairly close to Formosa at the time, 543 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,377 and, you know, it just... 544 00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:45,964 What was happening was not what we were hearing. 545 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,218 And if you were there, you simply knew 546 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:52,011 that-- that it wasn't happening. 547 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,681 Always told my staff and-- 548 00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,308 when I was in Washington, when I was in Austin... 549 00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:58,685 Uh... 550 00:32:59,018 --> 00:33:01,187 "Tell me the truth. I'll do the lying." 551 00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:02,105 [chuckles] 552 00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:03,439 Um... 553 00:33:04,774 --> 00:33:06,818 That's what I meant at the time. 554 00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:08,403 I mean, tell me the truth. 555 00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:10,863 I mean, I've got to know the facts. 556 00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:13,282 Uh, I'll lie, but... 557 00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:15,785 you know, it may take a while. 558 00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:21,916 [O'Regan] It's a very different environment in Texas. 559 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:25,837 A lot of politicians are favorable toward these big companies. 560 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:29,757 There's been relationships between Formosa and politicians, 561 00:33:30,508 --> 00:33:33,219 and various governors over the years. 562 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,681 It's donated a lot of money to different parts of the community. 563 00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:39,434 School board, the police. 564 00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:44,188 And executives at Formosa have donated money over the years 565 00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:48,025 to various political campaigns. And in fact, in 1990, 566 00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:51,904 the EPA announced that Formosa was facing a huge fine 567 00:33:51,988 --> 00:33:53,573 for environmental violations. 568 00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,825 It was 8.3 million dollars. 569 00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:57,869 Shortly after this was announced, 570 00:33:57,952 --> 00:34:00,079 four executives at Formosa 571 00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:05,418 donated $1,000 each to the Phil Gramm campaign, 572 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:09,005 which was the legal limit at the time. 573 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,634 And shortly after that 574 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:18,556 the EPA fine was reduced significantly to a little over three million. 575 00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:22,185 [man] After working 12 years 576 00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:25,563 for the Texas commission on Environmental Quality, 577 00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:29,609 I realized that the agency seem to be more interested 578 00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:32,904 in protecting polluters than public health. 579 00:34:32,987 --> 00:34:35,114 They say that they're there to protect 580 00:34:35,198 --> 00:34:38,618 the right to clean air that people have in Texas, 581 00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:39,994 but it's a lie. 582 00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,875 Formosa is one of the biggest, dirtiest chemical plants in the state of Texas. 583 00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:50,963 And I became deeply concerned because I knew that Formosa Plastics 584 00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:53,466 was handling extremely toxic substances, 585 00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:57,428 such as known human carcinogens like vinyl chloride. 586 00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:01,849 The agency would give out tens of thousands of permits 587 00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:04,977 that said, you know, "Thou shalt not pollute so much 588 00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:08,189 to make people sick or give them cancer," 589 00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:10,775 but the agency didn't really enforce it. 590 00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:18,116 We only did some monitoring or sampling if people complained. 591 00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:22,912 And before the agency sends a mobile laboratory out to Point Comfort, 592 00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:24,664 they will call the plant and say, 593 00:35:24,747 --> 00:35:26,666 "Within one to two days, we're going to have 594 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:29,544 our mobile laboratory down there, sampling the air on your plants." 595 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:33,381 Every time TCEQ was coming in, we knew about it. 596 00:35:33,464 --> 00:35:36,175 We were told by management and vice presidents and stuff 597 00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:39,512 that TCEQ was going to be here and we would go out and move... 598 00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:43,641 We would clean up and make everything all pretty and... 599 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:47,436 then we would provide them with the information that was... 600 00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:51,357 selective of what we wanted them to look at to begin with. 601 00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:54,735 [Carman] They would drive up to Point Comfort 602 00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:56,195 and do their investigations, 603 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,489 and they'd write some violations, 604 00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:01,409 but a lot of those violations would only result 605 00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:04,162 in kind of a "slap on the wrist"-type fines. 606 00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:08,875 The agency certainly wouldn't revoke any of the permits. 607 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:10,168 That's unthinkable. 608 00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:14,380 [man] The truth of the matter is, the state of Texas 609 00:36:14,463 --> 00:36:16,924 takes very little punitive action 610 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:21,262 against those people that commit a crime against the environment. 611 00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:23,097 Look at the fines 612 00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:27,018 that Formosa has paid. They're de minimis. 613 00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:31,689 And the public suffers as a result of it. 614 00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:36,194 [Jurasek] They had vinyl chloride monomer, 615 00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:39,280 VCM readings at the school. 616 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:44,202 And it was over the threshold limit. 617 00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:46,787 And these children were there for eight hours. 618 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:52,084 And, well, they shut down the school eventually. 619 00:36:52,168 --> 00:36:53,586 Formosa bought the school. 620 00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:56,088 They own Point Comfort. 621 00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:04,055 [woman] When I was a young pediatrician, 622 00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:07,642 often, children would come in over and over, 623 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:11,604 over the course of many months with the same disease, 624 00:37:11,687 --> 00:37:16,150 and we never talked about the effects of the environment on child health. 625 00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:20,988 When I finally realized that so many of the pneumonias 626 00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:23,616 and so many of the middle ear infections 627 00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:27,828 and so many of the respiratory infections that kids had 628 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,624 were linked to contaminated environments, then the light went on. 629 00:37:34,126 --> 00:37:38,214 We have 85,000 chemicals in commerce and... 630 00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,259 we only know a tiny bit 631 00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:44,387 about their effects on the developing human being. 632 00:37:44,887 --> 00:37:48,599 These days, babies are being born pre-polluted, 633 00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,228 with the same chemicals that were circulating in the womb, 634 00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,480 in his blood system. 635 00:37:55,272 --> 00:37:57,608 Many moms and dads assume that 636 00:37:58,276 --> 00:37:59,860 something would never be approved 637 00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:02,238 if it was unsafe for the developing infant, 638 00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:06,117 but in fact, the EPA and the FDA often simply don't know. 639 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:11,998 When we think about regulation, 640 00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,916 a lot of us think about the kind of regulation 641 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,876 that the FDA does for drugs. 642 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,963 They go through a laborious system 643 00:38:19,046 --> 00:38:22,091 where the drug has to undergo clinical trials 644 00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:25,636 in human beings at a variety of doses, 645 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,055 and it's only after these trials have been completed 646 00:38:28,597 --> 00:38:32,893 that the FDA will go ahead and say, "Yes, this can be marketed 647 00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:36,272 for use among people in the United States." 648 00:38:36,897 --> 00:38:40,026 Nothing like this occurs for chemicals. 649 00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:42,445 Chemicals don't have to go through 650 00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:46,615 any kind of clinical trial to see their effect on humans 651 00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:49,327 before they're launched into the marketplace. 652 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:53,164 [man] Many infectious diseases can be brought completely under control 653 00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:54,874 when vaccination against them... 654 00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:59,253 [Etzel] Almost all of our acute, infectious diseases of childhood 655 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:03,591 have been eradicated due to wonderful immunization programs. 656 00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:08,012 What we see now is epidemics of chronic disease. 657 00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:12,016 Unusually large numbers of children suffering with asthma. 658 00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,060 Epidemic numbers of children 659 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:17,229 with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, 660 00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:21,067 unusually large numbers of children with autism spectrum disorder, 661 00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:25,613 and these are what are called "the new diseases of childhood." 662 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:30,284 And there's more and more evidence that these chronic diseases 663 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:32,661 have been associated 664 00:39:32,953 --> 00:39:36,540 with the chemicals that we are pouring into our environment. 665 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:42,797 [Jurasek] When I realized... 666 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:45,966 that I was putting citizens... 667 00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:49,637 of the county in jeopardy, 668 00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:52,264 and our children in jeopardy... 669 00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:55,559 that's when everything changed. 670 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:02,983 I wanted to know what kind of chemical was being shot to the bay. 671 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,198 And I read the MSDS on it. 672 00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:12,618 And I'd seen that it cause, uh, 673 00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:15,329 deformations in children, 674 00:40:16,163 --> 00:40:18,582 plus cancer and all this other stuff. 675 00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:22,670 It said that it would affect... 676 00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:26,882 the next generation down... 677 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,717 of children. 678 00:40:31,637 --> 00:40:33,013 That really shook me up. 679 00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:39,812 And it's just-- it's something that eats you up after a while. 680 00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:46,861 I told EPA what was going on. 681 00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:50,656 Two days later, the FBI 682 00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:53,701 and EPA was knocking on my door. 683 00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:55,661 I invited them in, 684 00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:57,788 I told them everything I knew. 685 00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:01,834 They wanted me to go in with a pager, 686 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:03,711 and I made up this story 687 00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:07,298 because we weren't allowed cell phones or anything like that. 688 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:11,510 Well, actually, this pager was a recorder. 689 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,891 So, next thing I knew, I was feeding information to them. 690 00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:21,353 You know, that was... 691 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,272 a bad feeling. 692 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:26,692 Having to... 693 00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:30,362 manipulate your friends, say things 694 00:41:31,071 --> 00:41:33,532 that they know about or did. 695 00:41:34,408 --> 00:41:37,703 You know, and then having to report it to the EPA, 696 00:41:37,953 --> 00:41:39,830 that's what bothered me the most. 697 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,960 But I wanted it to come to an end. 698 00:41:46,754 --> 00:41:49,882 You know, I wanted management to be ran right, 699 00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:53,302 not have to worry about chemicals hurting people 700 00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:54,678 or anything like that. 701 00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:59,266 These people need to be dealt with, and dealt with severe. 702 00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:01,894 Show them what happens... 703 00:42:02,811 --> 00:42:06,732 when you want to go ahead-- screw up everybody's life in this world. 704 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,569 You walk into a gun and rob a place, 705 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:12,029 they put your ass in jail. 706 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,658 These men are dumping chemicals into the bay and killing people. 707 00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:17,034 What's the difference? 708 00:42:18,077 --> 00:42:19,245 They have no right. 709 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:22,289 None whatsoever. 710 00:42:22,915 --> 00:42:25,000 Especially when you're talking children. 711 00:42:25,084 --> 00:42:27,294 You don't ever fuck with children. 712 00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:28,337 That's the rule. 713 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:31,924 And I'll leave it at that. 714 00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:45,980 [man] My big concern about plastics 715 00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,941 is that, even if you manufacture them 716 00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:51,110 exactly as you're supposed to, 717 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:53,696 and you control the air pollution, 718 00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:57,366 the criteria used to assess safety today 719 00:42:57,449 --> 00:42:59,034 are so deeply flawed, 720 00:42:59,326 --> 00:43:01,704 no one can say they're doing it right, 721 00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:05,207 even if they live up to EPA and FDA standards, 722 00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:09,003 because those standards are based on flawed assumptions. 723 00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:13,924 When we go into the store and we pull a product off the shelf, 724 00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:17,052 and you look at the polysyllabic chemicals that are listed, 725 00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:20,556 the vast majority of those chemicals have never been tested 726 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:21,974 by safety officials. 727 00:43:22,224 --> 00:43:24,226 And if they have them tested, they've been tested 728 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:29,231 using old protocols based upon a sixteenth-century assumption. 729 00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:31,525 The higher the dose, the bigger the effect. 730 00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:36,113 But hormones and endocrine-disrupting compounds 731 00:43:36,363 --> 00:43:37,448 don't work like that. 732 00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:39,408 They do things at really low levels, 733 00:43:39,491 --> 00:43:42,411 levels that toxicologists had never thought were relevant. 734 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:45,372 On the FDA's pharmaceutical side, 735 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,499 some of their drugs behave like hormones. 736 00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:50,002 There's one in particular called tamoxifen. 737 00:43:50,085 --> 00:43:51,962 It's used to treat breast cancer. 738 00:43:52,629 --> 00:43:56,759 It works at high doses because it shuts down tumor growth. 739 00:43:56,842 --> 00:44:00,512 At doses a thousandfold beneath that, it turns up tumor growth. 740 00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:03,515 So the FDA on the drug side understands this. 741 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,934 On the chemical side, it's a no-no. 742 00:44:06,018 --> 00:44:08,520 [man] It's a chemical found in many plastic products 743 00:44:08,604 --> 00:44:10,356 like water bottles and baby bottles. 744 00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:14,360 [Myers] Think of the most notorious: Bisphenol A, BPA. 745 00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:18,781 If you use the data that the FDA has today 746 00:44:18,864 --> 00:44:20,783 to calculate what a safe dose is, 747 00:44:21,241 --> 00:44:25,496 that safe dose would have to be reduced by a factor of 20,000. 748 00:44:26,163 --> 00:44:28,957 BPA would no longer be usable in the marketplace. 749 00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:33,921 That chemical is worth $750,000 an hour of revenue, 750 00:44:34,004 --> 00:44:38,967 but it's one of only at least a thousand other endocrine-disrupting compounds 751 00:44:39,426 --> 00:44:43,055 whose safety dose would have to be lowered also. 752 00:44:44,848 --> 00:44:47,935 [Etzel] There are a large number of vested interests 753 00:44:48,143 --> 00:44:51,939 who profit from the chemicals in our environment 754 00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:54,191 and I believe these vested interests 755 00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:57,528 have a louder and louder voice in this administration. 756 00:44:57,611 --> 00:45:01,657 [man] A panel of experts says it found no overriding health concerns 757 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:03,158 for the general population 758 00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:05,619 associated with bisphenol A. 759 00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,037 Those levels are very low, 760 00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:09,081 well below any level that could cause harm. 761 00:45:09,164 --> 00:45:11,250 [Muffett] Groups like the American Chemistry Council, 762 00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:13,168 the Society for the Plastics Industry, 763 00:45:13,252 --> 00:45:17,047 these companies share information and coordinate PR campaigns. 764 00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:18,507 [woman] ...not show a connection... 765 00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:21,802 ...on the regulation of their products, on public awareness of their products. 766 00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:23,887 [man] Making a difference here at home... 767 00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:27,057 The American Chemistry Council is responsible for this advertisement. 768 00:45:27,182 --> 00:45:30,269 [man 2] The American Chemistry Council is responsible for the content... 769 00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,980 We, the scientists at EPA, 770 00:45:33,355 --> 00:45:35,357 are, primarily, 771 00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,278 barred from the conversations that occur 772 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,949 between the chemical industry and the top administrators of EPA. 773 00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:51,373 And my job at the Office of Children's Health Protection 774 00:45:51,915 --> 00:45:55,586 was to ensure that EPA 775 00:45:56,044 --> 00:45:57,880 took steps to ensure 776 00:45:57,963 --> 00:46:00,841 that children were protected from chemicals. 777 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:03,427 And... 778 00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:07,973 because I was asking EPA to take into account 779 00:46:08,056 --> 00:46:10,225 the special vulnerability of children, 780 00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:13,353 they decided that they... 781 00:46:13,729 --> 00:46:16,064 would put me on administrative leave. 782 00:46:17,232 --> 00:46:18,066 And... 783 00:46:19,151 --> 00:46:20,486 that way they could... 784 00:46:21,153 --> 00:46:24,198 dismiss the views of an inconvenient pediatrician. 785 00:46:30,037 --> 00:46:31,455 I worked very hard 786 00:46:31,538 --> 00:46:35,209 and I see what I consider to be an injustice, 787 00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:39,296 and I see that, no matter what I did, 788 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:41,256 it didn't change much. 789 00:46:42,883 --> 00:46:43,717 I mean... 790 00:46:44,551 --> 00:46:45,803 I won the case. 791 00:46:46,678 --> 00:46:48,806 You know, I won the cases I took on. 792 00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:51,225 As from a legal perspective, 793 00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:53,227 I worked within the system 794 00:46:53,685 --> 00:46:56,688 to hopefully make a difference for my clients. 795 00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:57,898 But what... 796 00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:02,653 doesn't change is that the polluter keeps polluting... 797 00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:05,823 and it's just new people in place. 798 00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:08,158 No plant, 799 00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:10,994 and I don't care where it's located 800 00:47:11,078 --> 00:47:12,955 or who owns it, whether it's... 801 00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:16,667 Exxon's plant, or Formosa's plant, or whoever, 802 00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:20,087 they're not going to do these things unless 803 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:22,589 they had at least the tacit approval 804 00:47:23,048 --> 00:47:24,174 of upper management. 805 00:47:24,925 --> 00:47:29,179 I take great comfort in knowing that there's going to come a time... 806 00:47:30,305 --> 00:47:34,601 when that corporate boss in New York in his oak-paneled room... 807 00:47:35,018 --> 00:47:38,856 office, is gonna be-- is gonna suffer the same consequence. 808 00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:40,482 That time will come. 809 00:47:41,149 --> 00:47:43,110 When they lose their children to... 810 00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,697 to asthmatic attacks or lung cancer, 811 00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:48,991 then you'll see some change. 812 00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:51,076 [birds twittering] 813 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:02,462 [Jurasek] Towards the end of my job, roughly for about a year, two years, 814 00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:06,091 couldn't figure out why I was sick so much. 815 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:08,468 Aching all over, 816 00:48:08,844 --> 00:48:10,679 and then I started getting sores 817 00:48:10,762 --> 00:48:13,640 on my neck that looked like boils. 818 00:48:14,474 --> 00:48:16,226 I went to the doctors. 819 00:48:17,102 --> 00:48:19,646 Nobody knew what it was in Port Lavaca. 820 00:48:20,105 --> 00:48:21,940 I went to the next county. 821 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,901 Nobody knew what it was. 822 00:48:25,861 --> 00:48:31,158 In Tyler, Texas, they had a OSHA medical department there. 823 00:48:31,825 --> 00:48:35,162 I continued seeing that doctor for months, 824 00:48:36,246 --> 00:48:39,041 and then one day a lady walked up to me and she said, 825 00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:42,169 "Do you know this chemical? Do you know this chemical? 826 00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,880 You know this one, this one, this one?" I said, "Yeah." 827 00:48:44,963 --> 00:48:46,798 I said, "I work with every one of them." 828 00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:49,509 She said, "Well, that's what you got in you." 829 00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:53,263 She said, "That's why you have the problems you've got." 830 00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:57,726 It did non-repairable damage to the nerve system. 831 00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:02,397 These chemicals are causing damage to people. 832 00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:04,274 Things ain't being done right. 833 00:49:06,777 --> 00:49:10,614 That's one reason why I got the feds involved 834 00:49:10,697 --> 00:49:12,783 and EPA involved. 835 00:49:13,909 --> 00:49:18,288 And then that turned out being a flop after three years of investigating. 836 00:49:20,582 --> 00:49:25,170 I thought that the fact that the FBI investigated this case for three years 837 00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:28,423 and built up a whole investigation into Formosa, 838 00:49:28,548 --> 00:49:30,258 and then didn't prosecute, 839 00:49:30,592 --> 00:49:32,344 was really fascinating. 840 00:49:32,427 --> 00:49:34,471 And it seemed, from what we found, 841 00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:38,225 that there was a loss of momentum around pursuing it further, 842 00:49:38,308 --> 00:49:41,895 because there had been another case against Koch Industries 843 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:44,439 quite similar, with a whistleblower, at that time. 844 00:49:46,274 --> 00:49:48,986 And I think it had sucked up a lot of time and resources 845 00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:52,739 that hadn't generated a huge penalty. 846 00:49:53,532 --> 00:49:56,827 And so, Formosa fell by the wayside. 847 00:49:57,869 --> 00:50:00,622 But you're talking about companies with so much money, 848 00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:03,792 that the bigger question is: what is a significant penalty? 849 00:50:03,875 --> 00:50:08,213 What kind of penalty would make change or have any impact? 850 00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:13,719 [Wilson] I tend to believe 851 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:15,512 the impossible. 852 00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:20,308 I have a real hope 853 00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:24,479 that the judge will do something unprecedented, 854 00:50:25,689 --> 00:50:27,607 and set a line 855 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:31,028 that the rest of the industry is going to have to follow. 856 00:50:32,362 --> 00:50:36,408 The best story would be to have that feeling of being heard, 857 00:50:36,908 --> 00:50:41,204 vindication for the people who testified at the trial, 858 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,332 because there've been lots of people in the community who've... 859 00:50:44,624 --> 00:50:45,667 been hard on them. 860 00:50:50,547 --> 00:50:53,133 [Jurasek] But let me tell you something, life as a whistleblower... 861 00:50:55,051 --> 00:50:56,762 It's not a pretty thing. 862 00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:02,100 These families see you as the bad guy, 863 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,020 not the guy that was trying to help. 864 00:51:06,438 --> 00:51:08,982 Formosa employs so many people. 865 00:51:09,941 --> 00:51:12,110 And when I speak up 866 00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:14,654 and I threaten Formosa, 867 00:51:15,113 --> 00:51:17,491 then they could possibly lose their job. 868 00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:20,577 And that takes away their bread and butter. 869 00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:25,207 So shut the guy up, don't let him talk no more. 870 00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:29,878 Me having threats, 871 00:51:30,712 --> 00:51:32,380 lug nuts loose and... 872 00:51:33,423 --> 00:51:35,383 shots towards the house. 873 00:51:36,343 --> 00:51:40,096 I had four guys beat the shit out of me on the river one day. 874 00:51:42,432 --> 00:51:43,850 Four of them on one. 875 00:51:45,644 --> 00:51:46,478 Yeah. 876 00:51:49,356 --> 00:51:51,358 And that's why I still, to this day, 877 00:51:51,441 --> 00:51:53,485 I will fear retaliation, 878 00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:55,862 and I will always watch my back. 879 00:51:57,197 --> 00:51:59,699 I had a .45 in the backside of my britches 880 00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:01,743 and a sawed-off shotgun in my hand. 881 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:06,998 My children, 882 00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:09,084 I've seen them not hired 883 00:52:09,167 --> 00:52:12,295 because they knew that their daddy was a whistleblower. 884 00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:17,843 Just gets really depressed talking about it. 885 00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,222 It's only because of what they did to him. 886 00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:26,351 Everything that's gone through Dad, it's-- 887 00:52:26,434 --> 00:52:28,186 I have to deal with it in some way. 888 00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:39,614 [Jurasek] That's when you question yourself. 889 00:52:40,031 --> 00:52:41,616 "Did I do the right thing?" 890 00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:46,955 Do you know that that day I drove out of that plant, 891 00:52:48,456 --> 00:52:50,959 I looked up at my window and I thought, 892 00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:52,794 "This is it, ain't it?" 893 00:52:53,211 --> 00:52:56,256 I said, "This is why you've put me on this earth. 894 00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:58,884 And that is to protect our children's children." 895 00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,471 And I did what I needed to be done. 896 00:53:18,028 --> 00:53:21,156 [man] A billion-dollar expansion project is underway 897 00:53:21,364 --> 00:53:23,283 nearby at Formosa Plastics. 898 00:53:23,742 --> 00:53:26,453 Fisherman and other environmental groups are concerned. 899 00:53:26,536 --> 00:53:30,624 [woman] This company is going to destroy that entire ecosystem... 900 00:53:30,707 --> 00:53:33,335 [Wilson] I got a long history of tracking Formosa. 901 00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:37,422 They're not going to give their power up easily. 902 00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:40,717 But the first time, I think, 903 00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:43,845 I think we can make some change. I really do. 904 00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:00,570 We were texting and calling and it felt great. 905 00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:02,364 Yeah, it was pretty exciting. 906 00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:05,325 [woman] A US district judge says Formosa was a serial violator 907 00:54:05,408 --> 00:54:08,245 of the Clean Water Act and had been dumping plastic pellets 908 00:54:08,328 --> 00:54:09,913 into Lavaca Bay, another nearby... 909 00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:13,583 [Johnson] It's $53,000 a violation. 910 00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:17,212 On any day, we can have three violations, 911 00:54:17,295 --> 00:54:21,007 in the bay, a violation in the creek, and a violation for a failure to report, 912 00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:25,136 so $165,000 a day. 913 00:54:26,346 --> 00:54:30,600 If he gave us the maximum fines, it could be $162 million dollars. 914 00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:35,730 It's a small penalty in comparison to their profits, 915 00:54:35,814 --> 00:54:38,358 but it is something they will not be happy with 916 00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:40,110 and something they will pay attention to. 917 00:54:43,029 --> 00:54:44,281 [Wilson] What I've been doing... 918 00:54:45,031 --> 00:54:47,784 it has, materialistically, 919 00:54:48,326 --> 00:54:49,494 taken everything. 920 00:54:49,911 --> 00:54:52,706 It's taken the boat, it's taken the job. 921 00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:56,126 It took my house. It took my marriage. 922 00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:59,379 A lot of people are afraid. 923 00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:00,714 And it's like... 924 00:55:01,506 --> 00:55:02,674 that's when you know... 925 00:55:02,757 --> 00:55:06,261 [chuckles] you're on the right path, is when you're afraid. 926 00:55:06,344 --> 00:55:09,180 if you're not afraid, then you're doing something 927 00:55:09,264 --> 00:55:12,684 mighty comfortable and mighty safe. 928 00:55:13,101 --> 00:55:15,520 And it's when you start being afraid, 929 00:55:15,603 --> 00:55:18,106 you know you're probably walking your path. 930 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:34,456 I believe... 931 00:55:35,206 --> 00:55:36,416 everybody... 932 00:55:37,125 --> 00:55:38,209 has a destiny. 933 00:55:38,376 --> 00:55:40,003 I believe everybody 934 00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:44,174 has a meaning, and it's your choice 935 00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:45,925 whether you go there. 936 00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:49,929 I think every person, at some point in their life, 937 00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:53,058 they're going to get a little piece of information 938 00:55:53,141 --> 00:55:55,894 or a little clue for just... 939 00:55:56,853 --> 00:56:00,899 a very short time, and it's like, "Do I do this or I don't?" 940 00:56:02,108 --> 00:56:03,109 And it's... 941 00:56:03,943 --> 00:56:05,695 And it's freedom. I have-- I have... 942 00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:10,575 never liked myself so well, and I've never felt so free. 943 00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:14,579 And I guarantee you, if a fisherwoman 944 00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:18,708 in a dead town like Seadrift... 945 00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:22,295 I mean, it's out there for all of us. 76763

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