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[dog yipping]
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[man 1] Southeast wind.
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[camera snaps]
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-[man 1] You watch for the gator.
-[man 2] Yeah, I'll watch.
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[camera clicking]
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[man 1] I'm gonna use my hand.
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They're all in here.
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Right here.
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These aren't rocks.
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They're pellets.
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[man 3] It was a job.
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Good money.
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It's all about money.
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Benefits.
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When you're bringing home $80,000,
$90,000 a year,
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driving a new car, kids are in school...
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Hey man, life is good.
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[man 4] They didn't make any bones
about telling you that there's...
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200 people waiting in line for your job.
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I skirted around it and tried to...
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keep myself out of it.
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But then you get to a point
to where enough is enough,
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and you gotta do something or...
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you don't sleep at night.
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[man 3] People kept telling me,
"Leave it alone, leave it alone."
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But, uh...
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conscience got the best of me.
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["Lie, Cheat, Steal"
by Run the Jewels plays]
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♪ Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win, win ♪
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♪ Everybody doin' it ♪
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♪ Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win ♪
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♪ Everybody doin' it ♪
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♪ Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win ♪
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[woman speaking Chinese] My children...
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although wealth is something
everyone loves to have,
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nobody is born with it,
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nor can it be taken with them
when they leave this earth.
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My conviction has grown
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that the greatest meaning
and value in life
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lies in giving your all to contribute
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to the beauty and betterment of society.
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I hope that all of my sons and daughters
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can fully understand
the true meaning of life...
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to leave my wealth for all of society.
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I hope the company I've founded
in this lifetime
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will be managed
with sustainability in mind,
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and be a blessing for employees
and society in the long run.
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[woman] Formosa first arrived in the US
in the 1980s,
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and set up a small PVC plant
in Calhoun County,
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in a small community called Point Comfort.
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Quite quickly after it arrived,
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the company developed
somewhat of a reputation,
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being a frequent violator
of environmental rules.
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It got slapped with a whole bunch
of penalties early on.
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A number of allegations against it
around poor worker safety conditions...
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releases of gas and chemicals
into the waterways.
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It had similar issues
around its environmental record in Taiwan.
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And so we could say
that it had problems abroad.
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But you've really got to look at Formosa
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through the lens of Texas
and Texas politics.
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[man] We needed jobs...
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desperately.
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Formosa, at the time,
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was a 100 million dollar plant,
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And they were talking
in terms of a-billion-400-million...
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dollar plant.
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There would be approximately 1,500 jobs,
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And the jobs were paying
about $70,000, $75,000 a year.
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That was in 1988.
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You know, 30 years ago,
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that was very important
to... to the community.
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[man 2] They're talking
about billions of dollars of investment
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in the state of Texas.
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It got the eye
of the Texas Water Commission,
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the governor of Texas.
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When Chairman Wang came over here,
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he talked to the state of Texas,
the Regulatory Commission.
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He talked to vendors.
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So Chairman Wang was really--
He's uneducated. Uneducated.
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Was a brilliant man.
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[Wyatt] If you're from Taiwan,
you probably hold him on a pedestal.
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You know, it--
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I am told that the Chairman,
when he goes to Taiwan,
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if he wants to speak
with the president of the country...
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gets in his car
and calls him on the phone and said,
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"Gee whiz,
I'd like to come visit with you."
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He was an individual
with a great deal of power behind him.
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In terms of coming to Texas
and should he do that...
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it would have meant
a whole lot to us.
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I had been in the Middle East,
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I had been to Europe, been to Ireland,
but I had never been to Taiwan.
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We met with a table
that was fully 20 feet long.
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We made our presentation
as to what Texas would provide.
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We offered $30 million
to build and improve
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the port of Port Lavaca, Point Comfort.
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We provided for a railroad...
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plus tax abatement.
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You had a lot of tax abatement in Texas.
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The chairman listened very politely. Uh...
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After that, he didn't say anything more.
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I believed that, quite frankly,
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that they were in favor
of Formosa going to Louisiana.
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We came back the next morning,
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and the chairman indicated
that he was coming to Texas.
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Interestingly enough,
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his first words to me...
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in English...
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was, "Joe, I will see you in November."
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The governor was there,
the senator was there.
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It was very meaningful
for Calhoun County.
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[man] It was just constant, steady work.
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Unloading steel,
pouring concrete, building forms.
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They told us that,
since we worked construction
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and helped build the plant,
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we got...
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hired on.
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[man 2] The Formosa plant in Point Comfort
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doesn't make plastic
like the plastic bags.
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They make the resin and stuff
that they sell to other companies
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that make plastic
and pipe and stuff like that.
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[man] We made powder.
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Polyvinyl chloride.
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To make it easy, it's like mixing a cake.
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We had a hot mix man
that mixed up all the chemicals.
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[Rozner] We start with something
like ethylene dichloride.
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And then you would process that
to something else,
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say, like, to vinyl chloride.
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And you would use vinyl chloride
to make, say, the PVC resin.
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[woman speaking Chinese]
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These powder-small particles
are the raw materials.
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[speaking Chinese] And after making fiber,
they can use it to make other things.
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For example, carpets, diapers.
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[woman speaking Chinese] All the diapers
in the world could originate from this.
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[speaking Chinese] Oh yes, that's
possible. Also the carpet in your home.
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[man] Fresh as they come.
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They're all plastic.
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[man 2] And they're all over the bay.
We find them everywhere.
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Every spot that we go to,
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we make a detailed list
of what we're finding,
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where we are,
and all types of relevant information.
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[man 1] On the north side of this creek,
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that's Formosa's outfalls.
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But everything is owned.
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See Formosa Plastics
coming by to check on us?
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[Hamrick] The north side.
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They were taking pictures of us,
what, the other day,
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I think, when Diane was out here.
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Yes, taking pictures.
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[Hamrick]
Well, we're going to take them, too.
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[horn honks]
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[horn honking]
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[Rozner]
This is kind of my sanctuary right here.
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This is my bread and butter.
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[cows moo]
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[Rozner]
In 2000, when I went to work for Formosa,
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this is not where I thought
that I would end up at.
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I had a lot of high expectations,
going into the job.
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I got outstanding employee of the quarter,
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and I was promoted
to production supervisor.
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But everything that we learned
and all the studying and all the...
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calculations and all the scratch paper
and everything that we went through...
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really didn't mean anything.
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We weren't following air permit rules.
We weren't following...
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toxic substance control acts.
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We weren't following clean water acts.
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They made it clear that environmental
restraints, safety restraints,
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were not going to get
in the way of production.
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[Jurasek] They called me, basically,
the lead operator.
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When something happened,
I'd be the first one to come help
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and take--
take care of the situation at hand.
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You worry about these chemicals...
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because you know that they cause cancer.
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Because I've seen fellow employees
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throwing up
just from getting hit with gas.
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Something that you learn to live by
as an operator
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is, you know, you just go in there
and you do what you got to do
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and keep your mouth shut about it.
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And when you start breaking laws,
you start to wonder
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what's right and what's wrong.
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According to EPA,
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you had to sample
each stream of water that came in
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for 24 hours.
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And at eight o'clock that morning,
we have to take these samples to the lab,
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because all of this was critiqued
by the Texas Water Commission.
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Morning, we go in there,
we open up the door,
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a five-gallon bottle
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would be one-quarter sludge.
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Supervision knew this had to be reported.
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And they knew that the operators
were gonna take it as it was.
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And so, they would stop us...
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tell us, "Dump it out
and refill it with good water."
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And I looked at him, I said, "No."
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I said,
"I'm not going to do that for you."
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I said,
"I'm sorry. I'm not going to do it."
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I said, "This is against the law."
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And I said, "I'm not going to jail
for Formosa, period."
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And so, he grabs it from me
and he does it.
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Takes the stuff that was in the jar,
the bad stuff, and just... [spits]
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dumps it on the concrete.
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And says, "All right,
take it to the lab now."
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What do you do? Retaliate?
You can't retaliate.
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You lose your job right there.
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I've seen chemicals being washed down
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straight to the storm sewer
and being shot to the bay.
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That was just some of the things
you come across.
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[Hamrick] I'll tell you what,
when I first started, I loved my job.
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And as it went on,
it just got worse and worse...
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because things would happen.
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You'd lie.
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Say, if I fill out the incident report,
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I don't fill out the amounts.
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They want you to put down
what they tell you to put down,
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and that's what you do.
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They don't want to spend the money.
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If they don't have to spend it,
they're not going to spend it.
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[woman] In 2013,
Formosa was getting their permit renewed.
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The permit says
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you may not discharge
more than a trace amount of pellets.
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[woman 2] These were the ones
that we entered into-- as actual exhibits.
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Look.
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Look!
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What "trace amount" means is...
it's so little, it's hard to see.
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[Hamrick] This stuff is
in the water, you know?
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Your fish are going to take it in.
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Then you got the children that's playing,
that's in the water.
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When I met one of the engineers,
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I said, "You're fixing to get a lawsuit,
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a federal lawsuit, filed against you."
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Well, I told him that.
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He just-- he took it as a joke.
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See, Formosa didn't think
this would happen.
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I've been an environmental lawyer
for a lot of years,
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and I've never had a case like this.
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It's citizen-collected evidence.
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Probably the biggest example
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of citizen-gathered evidence
to prosecute a Clean Water Act case.
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And I can tell you,
lots and lots of years,
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people...
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who worked for the company
were telling the company
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that they have all kinds of problems.
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[indistinct conversation]
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[Johnson] These ex-employees are not
a bunch of environmentalists
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in a traditional sense of the word.
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You know,
they're not members of Sierra Club.
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They are doing this
out of a sense of concern
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for their community, and...
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it's just people
who think you should follow the law.
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[woman]
FPG today employs over 110,000 people.
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The group is capitalized
at 21 billion US dollars,
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owns nearly 103 billion U.S. dollars
in assets,
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and, in 2015,
achieved revenues of over 60 billion.
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Production operations girdle the globe,
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with major plants in Taiwan,
the USA, China,
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Vietnam, the Philippines, and Indonesia.
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[Wang speaking Chinese]
There is no pollution to speak of.
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I'll say it one more time.
You say serious pollution...
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It's laughable. It really is laughable.
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There simply won't be any pollution.
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[man] When you look at the story
of plastics and plastic pollution,
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I think Formosa is emblematic
of how little of that story
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most people really understand.
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Most people,
when they think about plastics,
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if they think about it at all,
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they think about it
as something that magically shows up
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in an Amazon box
or on the store shelf,
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and then it disappears just as quickly.
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Maybe you recycle it, maybe you don't,
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but the plastic is there and gone
before you think about it.
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And what Formosa demonstrates
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is that story of plastic is much bigger,
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and, I think, more challenging
than most people recognize.
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[man] The picture you are about to see
is the story of a dynamic part
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of a remarkable new industry.
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[audience applauding]
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♪ Tupperware ♪
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♪ Tupperware ♪
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♪ They came from everywhere ♪
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♪ Orlando to Delaware to buy it ♪
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[man] Developed as an insulating material,
it had unheard of qualities.
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It was unbreakable,
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odorless, tasteless.
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[Muffett] The real excitement for plastics
came from the fact
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that plastics are, above all else,
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cheap.
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[man] New low-cost furniture...
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[Muffett] It's not driven by a demand
for more plastics here in the US,
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but it's driven
by a massive supply of cheap gas
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that can be used to produce more plastics,
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no matter what the true consequences
of that are.
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Ninety-nine percent of what goes
into plastics are fossil fuels.
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Oil, gas and coal.
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And so, the human health
and the environmental impacts of plastic,
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they begin not on the store shelf,
but at the wellhead and the drill pad,
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with the release of toxic contaminants
into people's air and into people's water.
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And then those impacts
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follow the pipelines
down to the refineries,
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to the facilities like Formosa,
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where they produce the chemical reactions
that will create the plastics.
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And then the plastics enter our kitchen
and leak micro-plastic debris
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all over our kitchen counters,
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and find their way into our mouths
and our bodies.
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After plastics leave our houses,
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they go to be disposed of
through incinerators
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that themselves release a host
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of really highly toxic compounds
into surrounding communities.
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Plastics have been found
in drinking water supplies
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around the world.
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More than 690 species,
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including important food species
in the marine ecosystems,
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have been found to have plastics
throughout their guts and their bodies.
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They've been found in agricultural soils,
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which increases the risk that the toxins
that travel with the plastics
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could enter the food we eat
through the ground.
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And plastics have been detected
in human bodies,
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over and over again,
in countries around the world.
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This means that we are not only living
in a plastic planet,
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but we are, ourselves,
increasingly becoming plastic.
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[grunts]
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Oh, there. Let me see.
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Make sure I'm in park.
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Maybe if I had a--
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[tape ripping]
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[grunts]
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[muffled] Ah-ha!
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The guys tell me
this is the way they fix leaks at Formosa.
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Duct tape.
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Believe it or not,
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Port Lavaca, the community
we're going through right now,
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in 1930 was the number one port
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in the entire United States
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for, uh, shipping out shrimp.
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And it's-- now there are no fish houses.
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I never, in my life,
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thought I would see the end
of the fishing industry.
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And this is Lavaca Bay up here.
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People take their kids swimming,
wading out there.
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And then you go out there
and you'll see all of this powder,
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you know, polyethylene,
polyvinyl chloride,
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rolling in with the waves.
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But all of that is Formosa,
all of that out there is Formosa.
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My family has been here 120 years,
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so you have a real sense of place.
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I was a fisherwoman.
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That is my identity.
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I was, uh, my own boat captain
before I was 21,
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and ran my own boat.
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But when I was a kid,
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everything, the family,
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was the bay, and the fish house,
and the boats.
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And when a season started, it was like a--
it was like a celebration.
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Dragging the nets
and dragging the gear, and...
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I remember
when I was very, very young,
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I literally-- and this is true,
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I literally could see the water.
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I could see her and she was a person.
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She was... she was an old woman,
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and she had the feeling of a grandmother,
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and I could go to that bay,
and it's like, there she was.
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And I have never forgotten that.
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So, for me, when they go after the bay,
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it's like they go after
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a living being that is kin to me,
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and I'm like, "You can get many things,
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you can get many prizes and honors,
but they are not getting the bay."
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Hello.
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Diane.
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Hi, I'm Diane Wilson. Nice to meet you.
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[Wilson] Hi. How're you doing?
How you doing?
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[man speaking Chinese]
This is Diane Wilson.
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[man speaking Vietnamese]
Over the past five years,
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she has been the lead representative
of the group who sued the Formosa company.
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She has collected more than 2,400 samples
from the water.
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[Wilson] All right,
we're going to do the press conference
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on the other side,
and it's by Formosa's facility.
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Diane has been fighting
with this company for years.
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[O'Regan]
Diane's been at it for 30-plus years now.
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She has become the leader
of this informal group.
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They really rely on Diane as a support,
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and I'm sure that she relies on them too.
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[Wilson] Very early,
the workers started reaching out to me.
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They started giving me information.
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[man] The equipment, the cheapest,
most outdated or even discontinued...
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[Wilson] I got to know them very well.
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[man] Leaks and spills everywhere
of highly corrosive material.
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Regular night dumps and burns...
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[Wilson] Saw their documentation,
saw their photographs,
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saw their injuries,
saw their trauma.
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[man] ...experiencing unbearable pains
throughout my whole body.
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My pain is in my bones.
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[Wilson] I started hearing
from the workers about all the powder.
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They said it's got vinyl chloride,
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it causes liver cancer,
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and it's out there in the bay.
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[man] You get that kids swim out here?
Jet skis and everything else.
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[Johnson] In environmental cases,
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there's something called
the "economic benefit."
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You look at what should they have done.
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They should have designed
their storm water system differently.
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They should have put something
on their wastewater treatment plant
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before it came to the plant,
not at the end of the pipe.
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They should have done
some more source control,
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some other things like that,
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and they should have done it in 2000
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when Dale Jurasek told them,
"You got problems."
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So you look at how much
would it have cost them
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if they had followed the law.
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It's 43 million dollars.
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[Wilson] It is the workers
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who gave me a window
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into the soul of that company over there.
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[man] "Cut the cost, make it cheaper,"
is the FPC mentality.
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[Rozner] In April 22nd, 2014,
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we had a fatality at...
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at the SPVC unit.
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There was a young man
that was working on the tank,
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and he fell inside the tank.
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He was in there for, uh, quite...
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a while before he was, uh... found.
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The young man was doing
what he was told to do
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by upper management at Formosa.
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And there were safety issues
that were not being followed.
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Uh, they did know that.
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And that was the turning point
where I said, "Enough is enough,"
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and I slowly increased
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my concerns, my reports to management.
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I told my manager
that I was going to contact the EPA
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and I was going to inform them
of what was being done.
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That I had had enough and that...
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I didn't want it on my conscience
of somebody else losing their life.
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And the next day, I was terminated.
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It was...
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"conduct unbecoming a Formosa employee"...
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believe it or not.
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[Johnson] There's fear.
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There's fear that people
are going to get retaliated against.
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I mean, I had to talk
to quite a few people who wouldn't testify
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because they were afraid
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of what would happen to them
or their relatives.
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But Van is a brave soul,
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because when he was a supervisor there,
he took pictures.
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And he saved them,
and he wasn't supposed to do that.
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But we're going to, tomorrow,
in opening statement, show these pictures
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where it looks like a snowstorm
and it's...
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SPVC powder all over the place.
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And we have those
because Van was brave enough to do that.
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The whistleblowers around Formosa
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have popped up at various times
in its history.
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Some of them are talking
about a different time, some decades ago.
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Some of them, like Van,
are speaking about recent events.
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So you're dealing
with a lot of different pockets of time.
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So many years have gone by,
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there's such a sprawling history
to this whole story.
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[woman] There was, you know what,
20 years ago,
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a lady and some mothers
who lived in Point Comfort,
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called me and asked me to represent them,
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because there were so many explosions
and upsets and incidences,
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some of which the children
would have to be sheltered in place
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-in the elementary school...
-[sirens wail]
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...and the roads would be blocked,
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so the parents
couldn't get back to their children.
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[sirens continue wailing]
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And they became scared to live there
and they had to move away.
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I started getting calls from other people
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who were injured at the plant
or who had issues with Formosa.
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And so then suddenly,
I was representing 87 people here.
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This is a list
of the Clean Air Act violations
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beginning in '93,
but there's some in '94.
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The company is supposed to give
the government a conservative model
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to say, "Look, these are the chemicals
we're going to use,
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this is what we are emitting into the air,
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and we're going to tell you the most
it could ever be."
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We actually hired someone
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who used to do air modeling
for the government
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to do an air dispersion model
at Point Comfort.
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And it showed
a much higher level of pollution
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than what Formosa had represented
to get their permit.
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What I basically did
with the property owners in Point Comfort,
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and even the people that have been hurt,
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is I can move them away from harm's way,
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but I can't change the fact
that their community was altered.
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And these people had planned to live
in Point Comfort for generations.
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Money doesn't solve that.
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[speaking Chinese]
I've never shown you all this before.
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So now I want to introduce
this Japanese factory.
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This is called...
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This is a petrochemical plant.
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As you can see in the picture,
it is just like a public park.
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Exactly like a park.
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[Wilson]
Formosa was trying to build
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this huge expansion in Taiwan.
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[speaking Chinese] I have previously said
that, of everyone in Yilan County,
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perhaps those I care about most
are the fishermen in Su'ao.
493
00:30:03,927 --> 00:30:06,221
[Wilson] He had screwed it up so royally
494
00:30:06,429 --> 00:30:09,974
that the villagers
had literally thrown rocks
495
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:11,643
when he came down to talk.
496
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:18,233
But they were pretty sure
that people in Texas would, uh...
497
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,361
be quiet and just stay out of it.
498
00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,242
[speaking Chinese] They've sacrificed
our people's health
499
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:29,828
for their own profit and benefit.
500
00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:32,831
It really is a company
with no ethics of conscience.
501
00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:36,251
I hope they can find some morality
and stop making this dirty money.
502
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:39,003
[speaking Chinese]
...remove mercury waste. No to pollution.
503
00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,130
Survival.
504
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:45,260
[man speaking Chinese] The government
and FPC covered many things up.
505
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:47,011
They seriously exceeded safety limits.
506
00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:50,223
Nobody here in Renwu village knew.
We were all kept in the dark.
507
00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:52,684
This should be punished by law.
508
00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:54,894
[man 2 speaking Chinese]
Come out, you filthy liars.
509
00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,522
[demonstrator yelling]
510
00:30:57,605 --> 00:31:00,024
[man 2] All the ponds are polluted.
511
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:03,403
All the prawns and clams are dying.
512
00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:07,448
[man 3] It's upsetting. When I come here,
I just want to cry. Each one is the same.
513
00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:11,035
-[whistle blowing]
-[air horn blaring]
514
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:12,370
[man 2] We told them to improve.
515
00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:14,664
We've said that for 30 years.
When's it going to happen?
516
00:31:14,747 --> 00:31:18,209
It started with mercury waste.
Time after time they are poisoning us.
517
00:31:18,459 --> 00:31:21,004
How have the people nearby benefited?
There's been no benefit.
518
00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:23,089
They've given me cancer, that's all.
519
00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:25,341
[man speaking Chinese] YC Wang...
520
00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,760
Your 5,000 tons of mercury waste...
521
00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:31,723
dumped onto our home in Xinyuan
for two years...
522
00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:33,850
we're only asking you to have this
for just two hours.
523
00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:37,145
-[clamoring]
-[whistles blowing]
524
00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:39,063
Fellow countrymen.
525
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,733
You are breaking the law.
526
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,818
[clamoring continues]
527
00:31:43,901 --> 00:31:45,820
[whistles blowing]
528
00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:57,749
[Wyatt] Quite frankly,
529
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,377
I have never been assured that, uh--
530
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:03,504
convinced, at least,
531
00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:06,591
that Formosa was a bad corporate citizen.
532
00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:10,553
Uh, I mean, I think that they tried
to play by the rules.
533
00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:14,349
[Ford] Formosa's getting sued
all the time. They're used to it.
534
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:17,393
They got a big staff of people
and they got,
535
00:32:17,477 --> 00:32:20,730
not just me, but other consultants
that work with them on litigation.
536
00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,149
A lot of plaintiffs
don't like big industry,
537
00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:24,859
so they just like to sue Formosa.
538
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,946
It's almost a...
it's almost a habit to sue Formosa.
539
00:32:28,404 --> 00:32:31,074
[Wyatt] There were all kinds of rumors
out there that, that, you know,
540
00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:34,827
we'd buried drums,
that we'd done all this sort of stuff.
541
00:32:35,828 --> 00:32:37,413
You know, where are they?
542
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,667
I was fairly close to Formosa at the time,
543
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,377
and, you know, it just...
544
00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:45,964
What was happening
was not what we were hearing.
545
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,218
And if you were there, you simply knew
546
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:52,011
that-- that it wasn't happening.
547
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,681
Always told my staff and--
548
00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,308
when I was in Washington,
when I was in Austin...
549
00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:58,685
Uh...
550
00:32:59,018 --> 00:33:01,187
"Tell me the truth. I'll do the lying."
551
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:02,105
[chuckles]
552
00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:03,439
Um...
553
00:33:04,774 --> 00:33:06,818
That's what I meant at the time.
554
00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:08,403
I mean, tell me the truth.
555
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:10,863
I mean, I've got to know the facts.
556
00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:13,282
Uh, I'll lie, but...
557
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:15,785
you know, it may take a while.
558
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:21,916
[O'Regan] It's a very different
environment in Texas.
559
00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:25,837
A lot of politicians are favorable
toward these big companies.
560
00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:29,757
There's been relationships
between Formosa and politicians,
561
00:33:30,508 --> 00:33:33,219
and various governors over the years.
562
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,681
It's donated a lot of money
to different parts of the community.
563
00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:39,434
School board, the police.
564
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:44,188
And executives at Formosa
have donated money over the years
565
00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:48,025
to various political campaigns.
And in fact, in 1990,
566
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:51,904
the EPA announced
that Formosa was facing a huge fine
567
00:33:51,988 --> 00:33:53,573
for environmental violations.
568
00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,825
It was 8.3 million dollars.
569
00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:57,869
Shortly after this was announced,
570
00:33:57,952 --> 00:34:00,079
four executives at Formosa
571
00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:05,418
donated $1,000 each
to the Phil Gramm campaign,
572
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:09,005
which was the legal limit at the time.
573
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,634
And shortly after that
574
00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:18,556
the EPA fine was reduced significantly
to a little over three million.
575
00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:22,185
[man] After working 12 years
576
00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:25,563
for the Texas commission
on Environmental Quality,
577
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:29,609
I realized that the agency
seem to be more interested
578
00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:32,904
in protecting polluters
than public health.
579
00:34:32,987 --> 00:34:35,114
They say that they're there to protect
580
00:34:35,198 --> 00:34:38,618
the right to clean air
that people have in Texas,
581
00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:39,994
but it's a lie.
582
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,875
Formosa is one of the biggest, dirtiest
chemical plants in the state of Texas.
583
00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:50,963
And I became deeply concerned
because I knew that Formosa Plastics
584
00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:53,466
was handling
extremely toxic substances,
585
00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:57,428
such as known human carcinogens
like vinyl chloride.
586
00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:01,849
The agency would give out
tens of thousands of permits
587
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:04,977
that said, you know,
"Thou shalt not pollute so much
588
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:08,189
to make people sick or give them cancer,"
589
00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:10,775
but the agency didn't really enforce it.
590
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:18,116
We only did some monitoring or sampling
if people complained.
591
00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:22,912
And before the agency sends
a mobile laboratory out to Point Comfort,
592
00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:24,664
they will call the plant and say,
593
00:35:24,747 --> 00:35:26,666
"Within one to two days,
we're going to have
594
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:29,544
our mobile laboratory down there,
sampling the air on your plants."
595
00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:33,381
Every time TCEQ was coming in,
we knew about it.
596
00:35:33,464 --> 00:35:36,175
We were told by management
and vice presidents and stuff
597
00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:39,512
that TCEQ was going to be here
and we would go out and move...
598
00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:43,641
We would clean up
and make everything all pretty and...
599
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:47,436
then we would provide them
with the information that was...
600
00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:51,357
selective of what we wanted them
to look at to begin with.
601
00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:54,735
[Carman] They would drive up
to Point Comfort
602
00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:56,195
and do their investigations,
603
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,489
and they'd write some violations,
604
00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:01,409
but a lot of those violations
would only result
605
00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:04,162
in kind of
a "slap on the wrist"-type fines.
606
00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:08,875
The agency certainly wouldn't revoke
any of the permits.
607
00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:10,168
That's unthinkable.
608
00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:14,380
[man] The truth of the matter is,
the state of Texas
609
00:36:14,463 --> 00:36:16,924
takes very little punitive action
610
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:21,262
against those people that commit a crime
against the environment.
611
00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:23,097
Look at the fines
612
00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:27,018
that Formosa has paid.
They're de minimis.
613
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:31,689
And the public suffers as a result of it.
614
00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:36,194
[Jurasek]
They had vinyl chloride monomer,
615
00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:39,280
VCM readings at the school.
616
00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:44,202
And it was over the threshold limit.
617
00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:46,787
And these children were there
for eight hours.
618
00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:52,084
And, well,
they shut down the school eventually.
619
00:36:52,168 --> 00:36:53,586
Formosa bought the school.
620
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:56,088
They own Point Comfort.
621
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:04,055
[woman]
When I was a young pediatrician,
622
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:07,642
often, children would come in
over and over,
623
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:11,604
over the course of many months
with the same disease,
624
00:37:11,687 --> 00:37:16,150
and we never talked about the effects
of the environment on child health.
625
00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:20,988
When I finally realized
that so many of the pneumonias
626
00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:23,616
and so many of the middle ear infections
627
00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:27,828
and so many of the respiratory infections
that kids had
628
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,624
were linked to contaminated environments,
then the light went on.
629
00:37:34,126 --> 00:37:38,214
We have 85,000 chemicals
in commerce and...
630
00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,259
we only know a tiny bit
631
00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:44,387
about their effects
on the developing human being.
632
00:37:44,887 --> 00:37:48,599
These days,
babies are being born pre-polluted,
633
00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,228
with the same chemicals
that were circulating in the womb,
634
00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,480
in his blood system.
635
00:37:55,272 --> 00:37:57,608
Many moms and dads assume that
636
00:37:58,276 --> 00:37:59,860
something would never be approved
637
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:02,238
if it was unsafe
for the developing infant,
638
00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:06,117
but in fact, the EPA and the FDA
often simply don't know.
639
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:11,998
When we think about regulation,
640
00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,916
a lot of us
think about the kind of regulation
641
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,876
that the FDA does for drugs.
642
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,963
They go through a laborious system
643
00:38:19,046 --> 00:38:22,091
where the drug
has to undergo clinical trials
644
00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:25,636
in human beings at a variety of doses,
645
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,055
and it's only after these trials
have been completed
646
00:38:28,597 --> 00:38:32,893
that the FDA will go ahead
and say, "Yes, this can be marketed
647
00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:36,272
for use among people
in the United States."
648
00:38:36,897 --> 00:38:40,026
Nothing like this occurs for chemicals.
649
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:42,445
Chemicals don't have to go through
650
00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:46,615
any kind of clinical trial
to see their effect on humans
651
00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:49,327
before they're launched
into the marketplace.
652
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:53,164
[man] Many infectious diseases
can be brought completely under control
653
00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:54,874
when vaccination against them...
654
00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:59,253
[Etzel] Almost all of our acute,
infectious diseases of childhood
655
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:03,591
have been eradicated
due to wonderful immunization programs.
656
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:08,012
What we see now
is epidemics of chronic disease.
657
00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:12,016
Unusually large numbers
of children suffering with asthma.
658
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,060
Epidemic numbers of children
659
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:17,229
with attention-deficit
hyperactivity disorder,
660
00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:21,067
unusually large numbers of children
with autism spectrum disorder,
661
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:25,613
and these are what are called
"the new diseases of childhood."
662
00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:30,284
And there's more and more evidence
that these chronic diseases
663
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:32,661
have been associated
664
00:39:32,953 --> 00:39:36,540
with the chemicals
that we are pouring into our environment.
665
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:42,797
[Jurasek] When I realized...
666
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:45,966
that I was putting citizens...
667
00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:49,637
of the county in jeopardy,
668
00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:52,264
and our children in jeopardy...
669
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:55,559
that's when everything changed.
670
00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:02,983
I wanted to know what kind of chemical
was being shot to the bay.
671
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,198
And I read the MSDS on it.
672
00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:12,618
And I'd seen that it cause, uh,
673
00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:15,329
deformations in children,
674
00:40:16,163 --> 00:40:18,582
plus cancer and all this other stuff.
675
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:22,670
It said that it would affect...
676
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:26,882
the next generation down...
677
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,717
of children.
678
00:40:31,637 --> 00:40:33,013
That really shook me up.
679
00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:39,812
And it's just-- it's something
that eats you up after a while.
680
00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:46,861
I told EPA what was going on.
681
00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:50,656
Two days later, the FBI
682
00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:53,701
and EPA was knocking on my door.
683
00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:55,661
I invited them in,
684
00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:57,788
I told them everything I knew.
685
00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:01,834
They wanted me to go in with a pager,
686
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:03,711
and I made up this story
687
00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:07,298
because we weren't allowed cell phones
or anything like that.
688
00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:11,510
Well, actually, this pager was a recorder.
689
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,891
So, next thing I knew,
I was feeding information to them.
690
00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:21,353
You know, that was...
691
00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,272
a bad feeling.
692
00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:26,692
Having to...
693
00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:30,362
manipulate your friends, say things
694
00:41:31,071 --> 00:41:33,532
that they know about or did.
695
00:41:34,408 --> 00:41:37,703
You know,
and then having to report it to the EPA,
696
00:41:37,953 --> 00:41:39,830
that's what bothered me the most.
697
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,960
But I wanted it to come to an end.
698
00:41:46,754 --> 00:41:49,882
You know, I wanted management
to be ran right,
699
00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:53,302
not have to worry
about chemicals hurting people
700
00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:54,678
or anything like that.
701
00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:59,266
These people need to be dealt with,
and dealt with severe.
702
00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:01,894
Show them what happens...
703
00:42:02,811 --> 00:42:06,732
when you want to go ahead--
screw up everybody's life in this world.
704
00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,569
You walk into a gun and rob a place,
705
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:12,029
they put your ass in jail.
706
00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,658
These men are dumping chemicals
into the bay and killing people.
707
00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:17,034
What's the difference?
708
00:42:18,077 --> 00:42:19,245
They have no right.
709
00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:22,289
None whatsoever.
710
00:42:22,915 --> 00:42:25,000
Especially when you're talking children.
711
00:42:25,084 --> 00:42:27,294
You don't ever fuck with children.
712
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:28,337
That's the rule.
713
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:31,924
And I'll leave it at that.
714
00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:45,980
[man] My big concern about plastics
715
00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,941
is that, even if you manufacture them
716
00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:51,110
exactly as you're supposed to,
717
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:53,696
and you control the air pollution,
718
00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:57,366
the criteria used to assess safety today
719
00:42:57,449 --> 00:42:59,034
are so deeply flawed,
720
00:42:59,326 --> 00:43:01,704
no one can say they're doing it right,
721
00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:05,207
even if they live up to EPA
and FDA standards,
722
00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:09,003
because those standards
are based on flawed assumptions.
723
00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:13,924
When we go into the store
and we pull a product off the shelf,
724
00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:17,052
and you look at the polysyllabic chemicals
that are listed,
725
00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:20,556
the vast majority of those chemicals
have never been tested
726
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:21,974
by safety officials.
727
00:43:22,224 --> 00:43:24,226
And if they have them tested,
they've been tested
728
00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:29,231
using old protocols
based upon a sixteenth-century assumption.
729
00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:31,525
The higher the dose,
the bigger the effect.
730
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:36,113
But hormones
and endocrine-disrupting compounds
731
00:43:36,363 --> 00:43:37,448
don't work like that.
732
00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:39,408
They do things at really low levels,
733
00:43:39,491 --> 00:43:42,411
levels that toxicologists
had never thought were relevant.
734
00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:45,372
On the FDA's pharmaceutical side,
735
00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,499
some of their drugs behave like hormones.
736
00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:50,002
There's one in particular
called tamoxifen.
737
00:43:50,085 --> 00:43:51,962
It's used to treat breast cancer.
738
00:43:52,629 --> 00:43:56,759
It works at high doses
because it shuts down tumor growth.
739
00:43:56,842 --> 00:44:00,512
At doses a thousandfold beneath that,
it turns up tumor growth.
740
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:03,515
So the FDA on the drug side
understands this.
741
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,934
On the chemical side, it's a no-no.
742
00:44:06,018 --> 00:44:08,520
[man] It's a chemical found
in many plastic products
743
00:44:08,604 --> 00:44:10,356
like water bottles
and baby bottles.
744
00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:14,360
[Myers] Think of the most notorious:
Bisphenol A, BPA.
745
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:18,781
If you use the data
that the FDA has today
746
00:44:18,864 --> 00:44:20,783
to calculate what a safe dose is,
747
00:44:21,241 --> 00:44:25,496
that safe dose would have to be reduced
by a factor of 20,000.
748
00:44:26,163 --> 00:44:28,957
BPA would no longer be usable
in the marketplace.
749
00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:33,921
That chemical is worth $750,000 an hour
of revenue,
750
00:44:34,004 --> 00:44:38,967
but it's one of only at least a thousand
other endocrine-disrupting compounds
751
00:44:39,426 --> 00:44:43,055
whose safety dose
would have to be lowered also.
752
00:44:44,848 --> 00:44:47,935
[Etzel] There are a large number
of vested interests
753
00:44:48,143 --> 00:44:51,939
who profit from the chemicals
in our environment
754
00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:54,191
and I believe these vested interests
755
00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:57,528
have a louder and louder voice
in this administration.
756
00:44:57,611 --> 00:45:01,657
[man] A panel of experts says
it found no overriding health concerns
757
00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:03,158
for the general population
758
00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:05,619
associated with bisphenol A.
759
00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,037
Those levels are very low,
760
00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:09,081
well below any level
that could cause harm.
761
00:45:09,164 --> 00:45:11,250
[Muffett] Groups like
the American Chemistry Council,
762
00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:13,168
the Society for the Plastics Industry,
763
00:45:13,252 --> 00:45:17,047
these companies share information
and coordinate PR campaigns.
764
00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:18,507
[woman] ...not show a connection...
765
00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:21,802
...on the regulation of their products,
on public awareness of their products.
766
00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:23,887
[man] Making a difference here at home...
767
00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:27,057
The American Chemistry Council
is responsible for this advertisement.
768
00:45:27,182 --> 00:45:30,269
[man 2] The American Chemistry Council
is responsible for the content...
769
00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,980
We, the scientists at EPA,
770
00:45:33,355 --> 00:45:35,357
are, primarily,
771
00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,278
barred from the conversations that occur
772
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,949
between the chemical industry
and the top administrators of EPA.
773
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:51,373
And my job at the Office
of Children's Health Protection
774
00:45:51,915 --> 00:45:55,586
was to ensure that EPA
775
00:45:56,044 --> 00:45:57,880
took steps to ensure
776
00:45:57,963 --> 00:46:00,841
that children were protected
from chemicals.
777
00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:03,427
And...
778
00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:07,973
because I was asking EPA
to take into account
779
00:46:08,056 --> 00:46:10,225
the special vulnerability of children,
780
00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:13,353
they decided that they...
781
00:46:13,729 --> 00:46:16,064
would put me on administrative leave.
782
00:46:17,232 --> 00:46:18,066
And...
783
00:46:19,151 --> 00:46:20,486
that way they could...
784
00:46:21,153 --> 00:46:24,198
dismiss the views
of an inconvenient pediatrician.
785
00:46:30,037 --> 00:46:31,455
I worked very hard
786
00:46:31,538 --> 00:46:35,209
and I see
what I consider to be an injustice,
787
00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:39,296
and I see that, no matter what I did,
788
00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:41,256
it didn't change much.
789
00:46:42,883 --> 00:46:43,717
I mean...
790
00:46:44,551 --> 00:46:45,803
I won the case.
791
00:46:46,678 --> 00:46:48,806
You know, I won the cases I took on.
792
00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:51,225
As from a legal perspective,
793
00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:53,227
I worked within the system
794
00:46:53,685 --> 00:46:56,688
to hopefully make a difference
for my clients.
795
00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:57,898
But what...
796
00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:02,653
doesn't change
is that the polluter keeps polluting...
797
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:05,823
and it's just new people in place.
798
00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:08,158
No plant,
799
00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:10,994
and I don't care where it's located
800
00:47:11,078 --> 00:47:12,955
or who owns it, whether it's...
801
00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:16,667
Exxon's plant, or Formosa's plant,
or whoever,
802
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:20,087
they're not going to do
these things unless
803
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:22,589
they had at least the tacit approval
804
00:47:23,048 --> 00:47:24,174
of upper management.
805
00:47:24,925 --> 00:47:29,179
I take great comfort in knowing
that there's going to come a time...
806
00:47:30,305 --> 00:47:34,601
when that corporate boss in New York
in his oak-paneled room...
807
00:47:35,018 --> 00:47:38,856
office, is gonna be--
is gonna suffer the same consequence.
808
00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:40,482
That time will come.
809
00:47:41,149 --> 00:47:43,110
When they lose their children to...
810
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,697
to asthmatic attacks or lung cancer,
811
00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:48,991
then you'll see some change.
812
00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:51,076
[birds twittering]
813
00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:02,462
[Jurasek] Towards the end of my job,
roughly for about a year, two years,
814
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:06,091
couldn't figure out
why I was sick so much.
815
00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:08,468
Aching all over,
816
00:48:08,844 --> 00:48:10,679
and then I started getting sores
817
00:48:10,762 --> 00:48:13,640
on my neck that looked like boils.
818
00:48:14,474 --> 00:48:16,226
I went to the doctors.
819
00:48:17,102 --> 00:48:19,646
Nobody knew what it was in Port Lavaca.
820
00:48:20,105 --> 00:48:21,940
I went to the next county.
821
00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,901
Nobody knew what it was.
822
00:48:25,861 --> 00:48:31,158
In Tyler, Texas,
they had a OSHA medical department there.
823
00:48:31,825 --> 00:48:35,162
I continued seeing that doctor for months,
824
00:48:36,246 --> 00:48:39,041
and then one day a lady walked up to me
and she said,
825
00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:42,169
"Do you know this chemical?
Do you know this chemical?
826
00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,880
You know this one, this one, this one?"
I said, "Yeah."
827
00:48:44,963 --> 00:48:46,798
I said, "I work with every one of them."
828
00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:49,509
She said,
"Well, that's what you got in you."
829
00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:53,263
She said, "That's why
you have the problems you've got."
830
00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:57,726
It did non-repairable damage
to the nerve system.
831
00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:02,397
These chemicals
are causing damage to people.
832
00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:04,274
Things ain't being done right.
833
00:49:06,777 --> 00:49:10,614
That's one reason
why I got the feds involved
834
00:49:10,697 --> 00:49:12,783
and EPA involved.
835
00:49:13,909 --> 00:49:18,288
And then that turned out being a flop
after three years of investigating.
836
00:49:20,582 --> 00:49:25,170
I thought that the fact that the FBI
investigated this case for three years
837
00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:28,423
and built up a whole investigation
into Formosa,
838
00:49:28,548 --> 00:49:30,258
and then didn't prosecute,
839
00:49:30,592 --> 00:49:32,344
was really fascinating.
840
00:49:32,427 --> 00:49:34,471
And it seemed, from what we found,
841
00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:38,225
that there was a loss of momentum
around pursuing it further,
842
00:49:38,308 --> 00:49:41,895
because there had been another case
against Koch Industries
843
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:44,439
quite similar, with a whistleblower,
at that time.
844
00:49:46,274 --> 00:49:48,986
And I think it had sucked up
a lot of time and resources
845
00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:52,739
that hadn't generated a huge penalty.
846
00:49:53,532 --> 00:49:56,827
And so, Formosa fell by the wayside.
847
00:49:57,869 --> 00:50:00,622
But you're talking about companies
with so much money,
848
00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:03,792
that the bigger question is:
what is a significant penalty?
849
00:50:03,875 --> 00:50:08,213
What kind of penalty would make change
or have any impact?
850
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:13,719
[Wilson] I tend to believe
851
00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:15,512
the impossible.
852
00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:20,308
I have a real hope
853
00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:24,479
that the judge
will do something unprecedented,
854
00:50:25,689 --> 00:50:27,607
and set a line
855
00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:31,028
that the rest of the industry
is going to have to follow.
856
00:50:32,362 --> 00:50:36,408
The best story would be
to have that feeling of being heard,
857
00:50:36,908 --> 00:50:41,204
vindication for the people who testified
at the trial,
858
00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,332
because there've been
lots of people in the community who've...
859
00:50:44,624 --> 00:50:45,667
been hard on them.
860
00:50:50,547 --> 00:50:53,133
[Jurasek] But let me tell you something,
life as a whistleblower...
861
00:50:55,051 --> 00:50:56,762
It's not a pretty thing.
862
00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:02,100
These families see you as the bad guy,
863
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,020
not the guy that was trying to help.
864
00:51:06,438 --> 00:51:08,982
Formosa employs so many people.
865
00:51:09,941 --> 00:51:12,110
And when I speak up
866
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:14,654
and I threaten Formosa,
867
00:51:15,113 --> 00:51:17,491
then they could possibly lose their job.
868
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:20,577
And that takes away
their bread and butter.
869
00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:25,207
So shut the guy up,
don't let him talk no more.
870
00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:29,878
Me having threats,
871
00:51:30,712 --> 00:51:32,380
lug nuts loose and...
872
00:51:33,423 --> 00:51:35,383
shots towards the house.
873
00:51:36,343 --> 00:51:40,096
I had four guys beat the shit out of me
on the river one day.
874
00:51:42,432 --> 00:51:43,850
Four of them on one.
875
00:51:45,644 --> 00:51:46,478
Yeah.
876
00:51:49,356 --> 00:51:51,358
And that's why I still, to this day,
877
00:51:51,441 --> 00:51:53,485
I will fear retaliation,
878
00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:55,862
and I will always watch my back.
879
00:51:57,197 --> 00:51:59,699
I had a .45 in the backside of my britches
880
00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:01,743
and a sawed-off shotgun in my hand.
881
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:06,998
My children,
882
00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:09,084
I've seen them not hired
883
00:52:09,167 --> 00:52:12,295
because they knew
that their daddy was a whistleblower.
884
00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:17,843
Just gets really depressed
talking about it.
885
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,222
It's only because of what they did to him.
886
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:26,351
Everything that's gone through Dad, it's--
887
00:52:26,434 --> 00:52:28,186
I have to deal with it in some way.
888
00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:39,614
[Jurasek]
That's when you question yourself.
889
00:52:40,031 --> 00:52:41,616
"Did I do the right thing?"
890
00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:46,955
Do you know that
that day I drove out of that plant,
891
00:52:48,456 --> 00:52:50,959
I looked up at my window and I thought,
892
00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:52,794
"This is it, ain't it?"
893
00:52:53,211 --> 00:52:56,256
I said,
"This is why you've put me on this earth.
894
00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:58,884
And that is to protect
our children's children."
895
00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,471
And I did what I needed to be done.
896
00:53:18,028 --> 00:53:21,156
[man] A billion-dollar expansion project
is underway
897
00:53:21,364 --> 00:53:23,283
nearby at Formosa Plastics.
898
00:53:23,742 --> 00:53:26,453
Fisherman and other environmental groups
are concerned.
899
00:53:26,536 --> 00:53:30,624
[woman] This company is going to destroy
that entire ecosystem...
900
00:53:30,707 --> 00:53:33,335
[Wilson] I got a long history
of tracking Formosa.
901
00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:37,422
They're not going
to give their power up easily.
902
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:40,717
But the first time, I think,
903
00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:43,845
I think we can make some change.
I really do.
904
00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:00,570
We were texting and calling
and it felt great.
905
00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:02,364
Yeah, it was pretty exciting.
906
00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:05,325
[woman] A US district judge
says Formosa was a serial violator
907
00:54:05,408 --> 00:54:08,245
of the Clean Water Act
and had been dumping plastic pellets
908
00:54:08,328 --> 00:54:09,913
into Lavaca Bay, another nearby...
909
00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:13,583
[Johnson] It's $53,000 a violation.
910
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:17,212
On any day, we can have three violations,
911
00:54:17,295 --> 00:54:21,007
in the bay, a violation in the creek,
and a violation for a failure to report,
912
00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:25,136
so $165,000 a day.
913
00:54:26,346 --> 00:54:30,600
If he gave us the maximum fines,
it could be $162 million dollars.
914
00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:35,730
It's a small penalty
in comparison to their profits,
915
00:54:35,814 --> 00:54:38,358
but it is something
they will not be happy with
916
00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:40,110
and something they will pay attention to.
917
00:54:43,029 --> 00:54:44,281
[Wilson] What I've been doing...
918
00:54:45,031 --> 00:54:47,784
it has, materialistically,
919
00:54:48,326 --> 00:54:49,494
taken everything.
920
00:54:49,911 --> 00:54:52,706
It's taken the boat, it's taken the job.
921
00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:56,126
It took my house. It took my marriage.
922
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:59,379
A lot of people are afraid.
923
00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:00,714
And it's like...
924
00:55:01,506 --> 00:55:02,674
that's when you know...
925
00:55:02,757 --> 00:55:06,261
[chuckles] you're on the right path,
is when you're afraid.
926
00:55:06,344 --> 00:55:09,180
if you're not afraid,
then you're doing something
927
00:55:09,264 --> 00:55:12,684
mighty comfortable and mighty safe.
928
00:55:13,101 --> 00:55:15,520
And it's when you start being afraid,
929
00:55:15,603 --> 00:55:18,106
you know
you're probably walking your path.
930
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:34,456
I believe...
931
00:55:35,206 --> 00:55:36,416
everybody...
932
00:55:37,125 --> 00:55:38,209
has a destiny.
933
00:55:38,376 --> 00:55:40,003
I believe everybody
934
00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:44,174
has a meaning, and it's your choice
935
00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:45,925
whether you go there.
936
00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:49,929
I think every person,
at some point in their life,
937
00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:53,058
they're going to get
a little piece of information
938
00:55:53,141 --> 00:55:55,894
or a little clue for just...
939
00:55:56,853 --> 00:56:00,899
a very short time, and it's like,
"Do I do this or I don't?"
940
00:56:02,108 --> 00:56:03,109
And it's...
941
00:56:03,943 --> 00:56:05,695
And it's freedom. I have-- I have...
942
00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:10,575
never liked myself so well,
and I've never felt so free.
943
00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:14,579
And I guarantee you, if a fisherwoman
944
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:18,708
in a dead town like Seadrift...
945
00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:22,295
I mean, it's out there for all of us.
76763
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