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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,719 The following programme contains outdated attitudes, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,480 language and cultural depictions which may cause offence. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,159 BILLY: 'It was a big day for us. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,839 We had won the war in Ambrosia, 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,999 democracy was back once more in our beloved country.' 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,040 (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC) 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,679 In one of the finest performances in British cinema, 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,639 Tom Courtenay fills the young hero of Billy Liar with angst, 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,359 yearning and delusion. 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,559 Billy Fisher has big dreams... 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,559 if only reality didn't keep getting in the way. 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,960 (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC) (CHEERING) 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,879 Directed by John Schlesinger in 1963, 14 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,279 and based on the best-selling novel by Keith Waterhouse, 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,119 Billy Liar is one of the signature films of the British New Wave - 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,840 that dynamic naturalism that grabbed all the headlines in the early '60s. 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,359 Infused with anger and wit, 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,959 this cinematic movement captured the struggle 19 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:21,679 of a disillusioned generation to break free from tradition. 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,679 It transcended the British New Wave, didn't it? 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,239 And, although it wasn't hugely successful at the time, 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,119 has become iconic. 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,959 It’s so important in terms of what happens next 24 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,559 that it’s still being used, perhaps unconsciously, now. 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,839 Though that fusion of the tricks of the French New Wave, 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,279 which were a little bit too extreme to directly import into, you know, 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,799 Hollywood or British television and cinema, 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,999 this is the film that distils that art into a useable form. 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,839 Do you hear me? Bloody well get up. 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,920 (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC) (CHEERING) 31 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,679 Billy lives at home in a sullen Yorkshire town. 32 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,079 He works in a funeral parlour, and is engaged to two girls, 33 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,959 though loves neither. 34 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,359 In his head, he is a misunderstood artist, novelist, 35 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,719 a scriptwriter, or the composer of pop songs. 36 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,879 When Keith Waterhouse sat down to write Billy Liar, 37 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,279 there is absolutely no doubt he was reminiscing about his own... 38 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,879 early life, teenage years. 39 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,919 He had left school at the age of 15, without any qualifications, 40 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:03,239 and went to work in an estate agent's, 41 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,359 which doubled as a funeral parlour. 42 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,359 Now, how that works, I don't know, 43 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,319 but he clearly had a fairly sort of strange 44 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,439 and rather humdrum early working period. 45 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,919 He then, of course, left and went into the RAF. 46 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,279 And when he came out of that, he decided that he wanted to write. 47 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,879 NEWSREEL: Some of the British people still live in quiet country towns, 48 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,959 centuries old... others live in the crowded mining towns. 49 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,079 But the large number live in the cities, 50 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,200 some in neighbourhoods of neat suburban homes... 51 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,319 ...and some... in bleak slum areas. 52 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,880 Today, they form a nation of more than 50 million people. 53 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,560 Most of them live in England and Wales. 54 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,320 And about four out of five of them live in towns and cities. 55 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,479 There are seven cities of over a million people, 56 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,600 all of them in Britain. 57 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,039 Keith Waterhouse was born in Leeds, 58 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,199 which I think really bleeds through in the novel of Billy Liar. 59 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,879 Even though that is set in a fictional Yorkshire town... 60 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,599 there's this sense of being kind of stifled and trapped by convention, 61 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,719 and by these people living in the same patterns, 62 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,639 and ways, that they always had, that their grandparents had. 63 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,799 There's a sense that for young people, there's... 64 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,999 not really a lot of future in these towns. 65 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,719 And... as a journalist and as a writer, 66 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,759 he would end up becoming a part of the... 67 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,759 the generation of what would later be known as the Angry Young Man - 68 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,399 playwrights, novelists, and writers, like John Osborne and so forth, 69 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,719 who'd take a look at British society at this crucial transitional phase. 70 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,759 Billy Liar is, in a sense, 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,319 the story of Keith Waterhouse writing the novel Billy Liar. 72 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,319 Born in Leeds, the son of a fruit and veg seller, 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,679 Waterhouse achieved his dream of becoming a writer - 74 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,519 first as a reporter, then as a novelist, 75 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,999 playwright and a screenwriter. 76 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,919 Inspired by Mark Twain and PG Wodehouse, 77 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,399 he developed a brand of caustic British satire. 78 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,559 Ironically, Billy's failings made Waterhouse famous. 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,399 How autobiographical... 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,519 was Keith Waterhouse's original novel of Billy Liar? 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,959 Well, in Keith Waterhouse's unpublished papers, 82 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,959 the British Museum discovered an autobiography he never published, 83 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,759 called How To Survive Until 22, which he wrote when he was 22... 84 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,759 in which he describes his own fantasy kingdoms, 85 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,999 and his own concerns about the big wide world, 86 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,839 and about leaving the North, and all of the... 87 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:38,759 features of Billy Liar's life. 88 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,319 So I think he's... he was very much Billy Liar's character. 89 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,319 He had a lot of the same concerns, 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,879 a lot of the same fantasy lives within him, 91 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,359 but he was the Billy Liar who at the end of the story, 92 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,759 he got on the train and he went to London, and he worked his way up. 93 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,479 I mean, he wrote Billy Liar ten years later, 94 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,639 after the... his autobiography. 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,679 He was actually writing in between doing things. 96 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,119 He was writing short stories from the age of about 16, 97 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,879 not doing anything with them. 98 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,639 But he knew very early on, possibly because of his background - 99 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,639 his father had died when he was four and he was one of five children - 100 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,159 and they were very poor. 101 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,799 According to him, they were, like, impossibly poor. 102 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,439 So when he came out of the RAF, 103 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,119 his mother, amazingly, encouraged him to continue writing, 104 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,639 and he... he did - 105 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,439 he got on to the local paper, The Yorkshire Post. 106 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,319 He was a very adroit journalist. 107 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,799 He had always, apart from wanting to write fiction, 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,919 he had always wanted to be in newspapers, 109 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,559 so I think he was sort of slightly seduced by... 110 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,319 the possible glamour of them, 111 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,879 the seedy glamour of newspapers as it was. 112 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,199 And from there, he succeeded very well. 113 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,719 He came to London, and he became, ultimately, 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,559 a columnist first for the Daily Mirror, and then the Daily Mail. 115 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,839 And in between that time, he never ever stopped writing everything. 116 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:08,119 He wrote short stories, he wrote novels, he wrote plays. 117 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,879 He wrote screenplays, and he was... 118 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,399 you know, he was an all-round fine writer. 119 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,679 He could turn his hand to anything. 120 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,560 (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC) (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 121 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,600 Battalion, by the left, salute! 122 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,519 To escape his grim predicament, 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,159 he even imagines an entire fictional country, Ambrosia, 124 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,359 which he rules like a tyrant - 125 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,920 daydreams brought to comical life on screen. 126 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,799 But his tapestry of lies is finally about to unravel. 127 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,559 Also featuring a dazzling Julie Christie, 128 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,199 Schlesinger's film is a bittersweet marvel, 129 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:55,599 a comedy of tragic proportions, a despairing psychological enquiry, 130 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,559 and a telling portrait of a moment in time. 131 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,039 Billy Liar is the film Billy would have dreamt of making. 132 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,399 Well, of course, Waterhouse came from Leeds and... 133 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,719 wanted to be a writer, had artistic aspirations, 134 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,679 and must have shared many of Billy's frustrations, you know? 135 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,879 Yes, and also, he was very much a dreamer, 136 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,039 in that once he arrives in London, 137 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,399 he starts to fantasise again about the world of... 138 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,999 what happens if I write a novel, what happens if I write a play? 139 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,079 And he explodes out into London's Theatreland. 140 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,959 In his published autobiography, 141 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,319 he talks a lot about the moment that he joins, 142 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,439 finally, the creative elite and what that feels like to him. 143 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,599 And how that's his sense that he's achieved some... 144 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,439 the momentum has died down, 145 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,799 and he's arrived in the places that he needs to be. 146 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,759 So he... And he also talks about how his friends in Leeds couldn't... 147 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,639 believe that he had actually done it. 148 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,879 There's a sense that he was... he was mocked almost, 149 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,279 and I guess that's sort of the other Billy Liar thing - 150 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,599 he was slightly mocked for his ambitions to be a London... 151 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,359 society character, which he achieved in the end. 152 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,719 In 1959, the UK is coming out of a period of austerity, 153 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,639 and just starting to, you know... 154 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,079 the public are taking an interest in consumer goods. 155 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,719 The musical scene is changing, the social scene is changing. 156 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,119 We haven't reached the point that we're thinking of Swinging London, 157 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,039 in the height of the '60s. 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,799 Much of the country, and much of the UK, 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,119 are still very much living in the patterns, 160 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,359 and the homes, and the ways of austerity. 161 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,199 They are still, you know, living in... 162 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,639 terraced houses with their parents, 163 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,279 relatively traditional people... 164 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,119 outside of, perhaps, some very trendy pockets of London. 165 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,119 And so there's this sort of inkling towards change, 166 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,039 but it's still kind of on the cusp. 167 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,879 In 1959, he wrote Billy Liar. It was a short novel. 168 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,599 And very, very quickly, it caught on. People loved it. 169 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,759 Basically because it described a life of a boy 170 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,999 that many could identify with - 171 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,279 someone frustrated in a humdrum province in a job, 172 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,679 dreaming of London. 173 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:10,319 Dreaming of the mecca where the swinging '60s, 174 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,519 if they weren't actually swinging then, were about to. 175 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,600 (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC) 176 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,959 WOMAN: Billy! Your boiled egg's stone cold!(MUSIC STOPS) 177 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,559 (METALLIC BANGING) 178 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,479 Well, come on, then! It's nearly half past nine. 179 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,599 I'll not tell you again! 180 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,640 All right, I'm coming. 181 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,919 BILLY: 'Yes. 182 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,919 Today's the day... 183 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,880 I make decisions.' 184 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,679 Don't go making fresh tea for him. 185 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,479 You've enough to do without cooking six breakfasts every morning. 186 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,279 That was a blacky postman just went past the window. 187 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,679 They're all darkies now. 188 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:59,679 There's blacky bus conductors... 189 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,719 and blacky nurses. 190 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,839 They can't get work, you know, in South Africa. 191 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,319 (GRUNTS) Go on, ignorant. Knock her over. 192 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,399 (POSH ACCENT) A cabinet change is imminent, I see. 193 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,959 You'll be imminent, you don't start getting up in the morning. 194 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,119 Good morning, Father. Come on, get on with it, lad. 195 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,959 You're half an hour late for work already. 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Good morning, Mater. How are you, darling? 197 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,279 The British New Wave blended the kitchen-sink realism 198 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,559 of playwrights such as John Osborne and Alan Sillitoe 199 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,199 with the adventure of the French New Wave. 200 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,439 Unglamorous lives and locations were depicted 201 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,999 both with documentary frankness and visual spontaneity. 202 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,959 Led by Room At The Top, Look Back In Anger 203 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,039 and Saturday Night And Sunday Morning, 204 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,439 these films stormed the gates of convention. 205 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,599 Billy Liar was even more daring, 206 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,559 being set inside the head of an Angry Young Man. 207 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:57,280 The British New Wave sort of evolved out of... 208 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,799 ...a bunch of directors... 209 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,039 Lindsay Anderson primarily, 210 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,959 who started something called the Free Cinema movement. 211 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,399 He wanted to, basically, break open... 212 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,839 the class-ridden structure of cinema at that stage, 213 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,319 as he saw it, not only internally, but externally. 214 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,319 So instead of having posh actors and people who were well off, 215 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,119 and making films about posh actors, about posh people, 216 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,959 he wanted to have a new realism. 217 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,639 He wanted to get to the nitty-gritty of real life in Britain. 218 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,359 It was the perfect time to do it, of course, and... 219 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,999 he wanted to follow what had happened in the theatre... 220 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,239 with people like Osborne, with Angry Young Men, 221 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,199 the new sort of... the new wave of realism in the theatre - 222 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,199 but to take that into the level, 223 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,760 and the discipline, of cinema. 224 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,439 Go around the country. 225 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,759 Go to the industrial towns, or go to the farms... 226 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,599 and you will see such a state of prosperity 227 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,640 as we have never had in my lifetime... 228 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,840 ...nor indeed ever in the history of this country.(APPLAUSE) 229 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,159 What is beginning to worry some of us... 230 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,440 is just this - especially some of the older ones of us... 231 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,360 ...who remembers the old... 232 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,080 ...it's this - is it too good to be true? 233 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,319 Or perhaps I should say... 234 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,879 is it too good to last? 235 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,679 The book is published in 1959, 236 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:38,999 and the film came out in 1963. 237 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,039 Are they different Britains that is portrayed in each? 238 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,599 They are slightly different. In a way, 1959 sets up 1963. 239 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,879 In the late '50s, the Conservative government loosened credit controls. 240 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,119 You had store cards, which allowed people to begin to buy... 241 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,999 things that they couldn't quite afford, 242 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,159 the beginning of the consumer society in the UK. 243 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,479 It's the beginning of the consumer boom. 244 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,679 Wages are high, unemployment is low, 245 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,799 and society is starting to change. 246 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,039 And by the time you reach 1963, this is really flourishing. 247 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,559 The film is shot in Bradford, 248 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:14,399 and you can see this enormous town centre redevelopment 249 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,239 taking place while they're shooting. 250 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,239 They're knocking down old Bradford, 251 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,759 and John Schlesinger, in his documentarian style, 252 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,719 catches the destruction of the centre of Bradford 253 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,039 to build these massive shopping centres 254 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,239 that would become the future of consumerism. 255 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,919 So... But that really began with this loosening up 256 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,919 of the ability to take part in the consumer culture 257 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,039 that in 1958, 1959, began. 258 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,079 And do you get a sense that... 259 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,719 this consumerism is part of what is fuelling Billy's aspirations? 260 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,359 Yes, I think that Billy's aspirations, in particular, 261 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,079 the way... well, first of all, the way that he... 262 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,959 perceives his success as a novelist through financial terms and adverts. 263 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,879 I mean, you know, the idea that he would begin to write... 264 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,799 There's one scene where he sits and writes the first line of his novel. 265 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,879 And then he starts to imagine the moment that he walks out of prison, 266 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,919 for various reasons, and sees the advert for the novel... 267 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,839 on the billboard. 268 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,880 (UPLIFTING MUSIC) (CHATTER) 269 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,879 The novel was initially adapted for the stage, 270 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,679 with Albert Finney taking the part of Billy to great acclaim. 271 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,839 Waterhouse contributed to all the adaptations, co-writing the play, 272 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,639 and the screenplay for the film, with Willis Hall, 273 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,879 as well as the musical and sitcom versions which followed. 274 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,759 Tom Courtenay had replaced Finney on the stage, 275 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,159 but always felt in his shadow, 276 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,999 an insecurity which, in fact, made him ideal for the part. 277 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,879 Keith Waterhouse wrote the novel in 1959. 278 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,959 It was a success, and would go on to the stage. 279 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,559 The director, Lindsay Anderson, actually... 280 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,879 made the original stage production, 281 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,199 and it is sort of interesting that he is another one 282 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,919 of the kind of leading lights of the British New Wave. 283 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,719 But the original stage production starred Albert Finney, 284 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,799 another one of the great stars of that period, 285 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,239 from Saturday Night And Sunday Morning the following year, in 1960. 286 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,119 And that was not the Billy Liar that would end up on the screen - 287 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,999 that would be someone who was originally his understudy, 288 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,359 Tom Courtenay, who eventually took on the role from Finney, 289 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,519 and was the one who John Schlesinger, 290 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,679 the director of Billy Liar, would see on stage and respond to most. 291 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,119 Rising out of the BBC, John Schlesinger had formed 292 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,399 a working relationship with Waterhouse on their adaptation 293 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,159 of Stan Barstow's A Kind Of Loving. 294 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,079 It simply followed that he would be the man 295 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,999 to translate Billy Liar to the big screen. 296 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,999 More romantic than his New Wave peers, 297 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,959 he would go on to win an Oscar for Midnight Cowboy. 298 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,919 Schlesinger had a thing for dreamers. 299 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,799 I think what's fascinating about John Schlesinger's style 300 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,279 is that..he doesn't owe anything to anybody else. 301 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,320 I mean, you know, he may have... 302 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,399 ...absorbed other techniques and images, 303 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,199 and the way of doing things, but what he produces is... 304 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,599 possibly unique, because he somehow manages... 305 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,079 not only to get a sense of absolute reality - 306 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,519 I mean, right, real, nitty-gritty reality. 307 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,079 For example, you know, when he shoots... 308 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,119 the arrival of Julie Christie, walking through... 309 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:24,399 Bradford City Centre, he is doing that on the hoof. 310 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,439 It's exactly the sort of thing he did in Midnight Cowboy. 311 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,199 He takes his cameras out onto the streets - 312 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,959 probably doesn't tell anybody, gets a few permissions here and there. 313 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,039 But the people who are gawping at Julie Christie 314 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,359 as she is sort of swinging past, almost dancing down the street - 315 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,199 they're real people. 316 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,519 They're real people and have real reactions, you know? 317 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,359 They can't believe... 'What's going on? It's...' 318 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:51,239 So he's very good at that, but he has absolutely no problem at all 319 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,199 changing gear... 320 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,079 into Billy's fantasy world. 321 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,599 In fact, it starts almost in the opening scene, 322 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,479 when he's lying in bed, 323 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,119 when he imagines himself in his own invented kingdom of Ambrosia. 324 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:10,439 Schlesinger preferred Courtenay, because, as the actor deduced, 325 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,359 he was altogether more dainty than Finney. 326 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:17,919 Courtenay was closer to the book's diffident Northern boy. 327 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,439 Born in Hull, the son of a boat painter, 328 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,479 he had escaped to the London stage. 329 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,039 Courtenay understood Billy's sense of suffocation, 330 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,679 and with his flat, Northern vowels, 331 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,679 he could undercut the character's delusions of grandeur. 332 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,599 Courtenay later said that he felt that it was his physical appearance, 333 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,679 and his physical difference from Albert Finney, 334 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,039 that made him more appealing for a screen version of Billy Liar. 335 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,359 Cos he was a lot skinnier, and a little bit more unprepossessing 336 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,599 by comparison to Finney, who was a bit burlier, 337 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,759 a bit more traditionally masculine. 338 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,239 I think for the character of Billy, who is quite, you know, 339 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,999 emotionally immature, and, you know... 340 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,359 is sympathetic to a point, but is also a bit cowardly at times, 341 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,799 I think his sort of physical skinniness... 342 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,119 sort of does something in terms of... 343 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:08,400 the visual signifying of the character. 344 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,799 The play was... Onstage, it was basically a reconstruction of... 345 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,519 Billy's house - it was three rooms in the house. 346 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,239 So the whole of the action of the play had to take place in the house, 347 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,399 which cuts out a lot of the potential for... 348 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,399 the fantasy world to exist beyond his mind. 349 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,239 You know, you can't stage the kind of ideas that emerge in the film - 350 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,159 you have to talk them through. So... 351 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,559 in fact, the play wasn't enormously successful. 352 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,679 Albert Finney, who played Billy Liar at the beginning, 353 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,399 had turned down appearing in Lawrence Of Arabia... 354 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,639 to be in Billy Liar, which... 355 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,479 may have seemed a bad idea, as the play was a slow start, but then... 356 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,799 his career was just taking off. 357 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,479 But it didn't really take off until the film Saturday Night And Sunday Morning came out, 358 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,839 just in the middle of the play's run, and this gave the play an enormous boost. 359 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,359 Albert Finney's stardom became immense. 360 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:03,119 And he left the play, so they hired Tom Courtenay to take over the role. 361 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,079 And I think, interestingly, 362 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,239 Keith Waterhouse later wrote about this 363 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,999 and talked about how the energy of Albert Finney as the star, 364 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,119 once he actually became a star, the energy of him being Billy Liar, 365 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,199 was not as convincing as Tom Courtenay, 366 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,399 who turned up the wannabe star. 367 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,719 And that's how he saw Billy, as the wannabe. 368 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,839 So it only works in the sense... 369 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,479 The role only worked if it was played by someone who isn't famous. 370 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,959 I think Finney would have been... 371 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,519 he may have been great onstage - I don't know, I didn't see it. 372 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,879 But he would have been wrong on film because he's too robust. 373 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,799 He's too... He's too big a character. 374 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,479 The thing that Tom Courtenay has is that he can be furtive. 375 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,039 You know, he's furtive. He's trying... He is a liar. 376 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,959 You know, he literally is a liar. 377 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,759 But also that he has a kind of sense of mischief about him. 378 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,719 And... 379 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,319 he's perfect for Billy Liar, as, indeed, 380 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,159 he was for The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner, 381 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,199 which was the film he made before. 382 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,199 And so it was a natural transition... 383 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,479 for him to take on this role, and... 384 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,519 you know, it gave him the opportunity of a lifetime. 385 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,679 Because, you know... this film made so many of the actors in it, 386 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,679 because they were so perfectly cast. 387 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,559 Either you get me that rotten ring back by this afternoon... Must dash. 388 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,879 ...or I'm coming to see your rotten mother and rotten - father. - Lot of work to finish. 389 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,079 And your rotten grandmother. 390 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,000 We're supposed to be engaged, if you did but know it! 391 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,040 (INAUDIBLE SPEECH) 392 00:21:41,006 --> 00:21:44,000 (STIRRING ROMANTIC MUSIC) 393 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,879 Billy! Are you feeling all right? 394 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,800 Of course, darling, why? 395 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,999 The film's central complex idea is that we enter Billy's dreams 396 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,919 of transcending his humdrum surroundings, 397 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,080 living at home, working in a funeral parlour. 398 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,119 He is fooling everyone that he is going to make it as a scriptwriter, 399 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,399 but mainly fooling himself. 400 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,079 Billy is unable to face reality, 401 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,399 assembling a web of lies to maintain his self-delusion. 402 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,399 Lying is the most creative thing he does. 403 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,719 I think the nature of the fantasies, and the dream sequences, 404 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,039 are very interesting, first of all, 405 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,759 because of the way Schlesinger cuts to them quite abruptly... 406 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,919 and sort of almost places them in the everyday and in the tedious, 407 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,239 to the point you almost have to do a double-take as an audience member. 408 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,039 Which is both very comically effective in terms of the humour, 409 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,039 but also is just, you know, startling. 410 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,959 And it does make you go, 'Oh, wait. OK, this is a fantasy now.' 411 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,519 And sometimes, that's very obvious because... 412 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,799 he's imagining being the leader of a foreign country, 413 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,759 a made-up foreign country, or... 414 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,199 you know, some sort of heroic, dashing aristocrat. 415 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,999 But other times, it's a little bit more unclear 416 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,279 as to his... you know, his fantasy. 417 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,999 Tom Courtenay is absolutely mercurial in Billy Liar, 418 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,719 not just because he can play the role of the teenager... 419 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,479 who's dreaming the thing, 420 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,519 but because he does a whole lot of other things as well. 421 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,519 He is a putative entertainer. 422 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,919 He and his best friend, Arthur, 423 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,879 are a sort of double act in the funeral parlour. 424 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,279 And they clearly have worked together in one way or another, 425 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,839 if they haven't... they have written together, but they... 426 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,319 there's a suggestion that they've actually performed together onstage 427 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,479 as a sort of a comedy duo. 428 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,959 This is not clear in the film - it actually is in the book. 429 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,839 But it doesn't really matter, 430 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,959 because they're sort of constantly trading quips or lines or gags. 431 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,399 And... not only that, but... 432 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,919 Courtenay has an extraordinary sense of mimicry as well. 433 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,159 He's using his physicality, and his voice, 434 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,959 as an outlet for his creative impulses, 435 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,239 in a manner of a child, actually. 436 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,519 In a way, film was the perfect medium for the story, wasn't it? 437 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Because there was more potential in... 438 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,759 doing that most uncinematic of things, 439 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,079 of getting inside Billy's head, visually. 440 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,559 Yes. Not only did film... 441 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,679 be the perfect medium, but film, at that time, was the perfect medium. 442 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,679 There are some tricks that John Schlesinger uses 443 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,079 which probably would not have been used previously. 444 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,879 There's some wonderful moments where Billy is furious with people. 445 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,359 And there's a very quick jump-cut to him machine-gunning the room. 446 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,119 It's... Now, that, I think, is... 447 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,559 There are these much more elaborate Ambrosia sequences 448 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,479 where he's fantasising about himself 449 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,879 as the dictator of this fictional country. 450 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,799 But I love the way he will briefly, 451 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,319 very rapidly, just imagine he's shot everyone in the room. 452 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,919 Or these quick moments where you're allowed into his mind, and... 453 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,719 his anger is portrayed visually rather than just... 454 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,239 you know, the voice or the face. 455 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,639 They have this kind of surreal allowance for him to... 456 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,999 enter this insane state, really, 457 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,079 of rage, briefly, and then carry on normally. 458 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,399 So the film allows them to explore all sorts of imagery 459 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,679 that I think neither the book nor the theatre could. 460 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,039 I've been to the doctor's. You've been to the doctor's? 461 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,639 I've been to the doctor's. Can you tell these good people why you've been to the doctor's? 462 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,199 I don't like the look of my wife. I wish I had come with you. 463 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,600 I hate the sight of mine. (IMITATES CHEERING) Ha-ha-ha. 464 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,999 Haven't you people got any work to do? 465 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,319 BOTH: Yes, Mr Shadrack. Trying to run an up-to-date organisation here, you know? 466 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,239 There's too much laxity. Far too much laxity. 467 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,640 Stamp, I would like to see your ashes list. 468 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,279 The entire cast captures the moods of the film to perfection. 469 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,599 Wilfred Pickles is so trenchant as Billy's despairing father 470 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,919 in the famous 'grateful' speech... 471 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,919 that cuts to the quick of his son's state of mind. 472 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,559 Helen Fraser and Gwendolyn Watts... 473 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,239 find pathos as his equally deluded fiancees, 474 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,359 while Rodney Bewes and Leonard Rossiter... 475 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:14,079 would go on to homage Billy's forlorn aspirations in their sitcoms - 476 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,959 The Likely Lads and The Life And Times Of Reginald Perrin. 477 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,159 So there are a number of people in the ensemble cast, 478 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,719 in supporting roles - people like Leonard Rossiter, 479 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,519 people like Wilfred Pickles as Billy's father - 480 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,919 who represent the old guard, I guess, so to speak. 481 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,839 And very much Yorkshire life. 482 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,319 And you could say there is an element of... 483 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,919 kind of jokey caricature to them, partly because it is a comedy, 484 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,279 so the idea is to have a laugh, 485 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,439 and for these characters to be a little bit broad. 486 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,079 But these are really talented actors that bring... 487 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,119 something else to the part, as well. 488 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,079 They have strongly held beliefs. 489 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,199 They believe in a certain way of living, 490 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,679 and they are, you know, frustrated at every turn with... 491 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,999 Billy's refusal to get on the straight and narrow, so to speak, 492 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,359 or to abide by their way of... 493 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,879 you know, their idea of what a man should be, really. 494 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,079 And so there's this generational divide that happens. 495 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,719 John Schlesinger was a born-and-bred, 496 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,559 quite well-off, Londoner, 497 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,679 so it is kind of interesting to see his approach to... 498 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,319 and maybe there is a little bit of broadness to his... 499 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,159 depiction of small-town Yorkshire life, because he is an outsider. 500 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,719 You mean Liz? MAN: Yes, where's she been this time? 501 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,399 I don't know, she goes where she feels like. She's crazy. 502 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,639 She just enjoys herself. But what does she do? 503 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,679 All sorts - waitress, typist. She worked at Butlin's last year. 504 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,359 She works until she gets fed up, then she goes somewhere else. 505 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,839 She's been all over. (VOCALISING) 506 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760 (JAZZY MUSIC) 507 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,639 Julie Christie's entrance into the film 508 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,719 could have been directed by Goddard. 509 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,439 She almost floats through the bustling streets, 510 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,039 carefree, certain of herself. 511 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,999 As Liz, Christie is an alluring vision of the future, 512 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,759 offering Billy a romantic lifeline. 513 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,119 But here's a thought — could Julie Christie's Liz, 514 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,839 this beacon of modernity and cool, 515 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,559 be another one of Billy's fantasies? 516 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,319 Now, I look at Billy Liar, and I adore Billy Liar, 517 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,039 because it isn't quite like the other British New Wave films to me. 518 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,799 There is something more flamboyant, more... 519 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,919 there's more visual flair in it. 520 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,799 Do you think it's more influenced by the French New Wave? 521 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,719 Yes, I would say, cos the French New Wave had a lot of the ideas... 522 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,759 of social realism that the British New Wave had, 523 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,199 but it also had this very playful, 524 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,919 surrealistic jump-cut style. 525 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,279 It would quite often flash into... 526 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,319 entirely imagined sequences or strange dance routines. 527 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,199 If you think about a film like Breathless in 1960, 528 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,319 because of the way the film was cut, 529 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,399 there would be suddenly vast jumps in time or, you know, 530 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,439 completely different changes in perspective. 531 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,679 And so the director, John Schlesinger, 532 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,319 adopted a lot of that ability to suddenly jump into a scene 533 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,239 where there might be a machine-gun used, 534 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,279 or there might be a fantasy used. Or... 535 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,799 Or in the case of the arrival of certain characters, 536 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,599 like Julie Christie as Liz, suddenly put a character into the film 537 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,839 who appears to be in an entirely different film, 538 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,919 and whose route into the movie is a completely different sequence. 539 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:37,119 It is as if she's in a 1963 film as opposed to a 1959 story. 540 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,639 So he is... Really, in a way, he's bridging between... 541 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,239 the British New Wave and British cinema that was to come. 542 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,599 He will open up allowing for films like A Hard Day's Night, 543 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,719 and this is about the time that James Bond starts to come through. 544 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,959 These ideas of... Much, much bigger ideas. 545 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,879 Much, much bigger depictions of grand-scale things, 546 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,079 which suddenly cut back to your... 547 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,399 at home by the kitchen, dealing with real life. 548 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,039 It's a really imaginative, I think, incredibly influential, 549 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,999 stand-alone film, really - there was nothing else like it at the time. 550 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,999 The exteriors were crucial. 551 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,199 Billy's provincial home is never named in the film, 552 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,279 but this Northern town, on the cusp of change, 553 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,759 was filmed on the streets of Bradford. 554 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,719 We catch glimpses of old bomb sites and buildings being levelled. 555 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,879 A new Britain is on its way, 556 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,359 of branded high streets and office blocks. 557 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,159 Symbolically, Billy is constantly framed against Victorian railings, 558 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,999 and old brickwork, 559 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,759 while Liz is pictured against... 560 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,519 construction, progress and opportunity. 561 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,079 And what's fascinating about the social environment 562 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,919 in which Billy Liar is operating 563 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,719 is, of course, that he's a teenager, 564 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,599 so his parents, and most of the older people around him, 565 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,479 would actually have been through the war. 566 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,879 And this is the time when, you know, 567 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,959 the word 'teenager' first sort of arrived. 568 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,119 And so... 569 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,079 there is... First of all, he's surrounded by characters 570 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,999 who are not just... 571 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,799 older than him - an older generation - 572 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,039 but actually throwbacks to almost an Edwardian, possibly Victorian time. 573 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,799 Leonard Rossiter, as the... 574 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,959 funeral parlour owner, is just very, very funny. 575 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,039 He could have come out of Dickens. 576 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,119 The same with Finlay Currie, 577 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,079 who is the sort of grand boss of the funeral parlour. 578 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,999 I mean he... You associate Finlay Currie with Dickens, 579 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,999 naturally, of course, because of the David Lean films, 580 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,159 but they are big, old, so they dress in very old-fashioned ways. 581 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,879 They have a kind of manner, and a way of speaking, 582 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,079 which is rather more fastidious than... 583 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,919 and correct, than you know, the modern generation. 584 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,599 And modern being, you know, late 1950s. 585 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,319 And it comes to its full fruition, 586 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,319 this sort of generational chasm - it's not a gap, it's a chasm - 587 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,399 in the final confrontation between him and his father, 588 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,559 played absolutely brilliantly by Wilfred Pickles. 589 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,399 When... He says, 'I'm leaving. I'm going to London,' 590 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,039 and his father says, 'No, you're not. You're staying here.' 591 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,959 You're going to carry on the business that he has, 592 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,999 which is a sort of... interior decorating, something like that. 593 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,359 But he says, you know, 'You don't know what you're doing. 594 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,399 You're a dreamer, you're lazy.' 595 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,720 And he's bringing into his arguments... 596 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,079 ...all the things that he has learnt and suffered in the past - 597 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,679 that you have to buckle down, you have to work, 598 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,879 you have to, you know, pay your dues. 599 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,519 You can't go swanning off. You have to be loyal. 600 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,799 You cannot lie, and all of these things, he sees in his son. 601 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,719 He's really afraid for his son. 602 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,519 I'm not arguing about it, Dad, I'm going. 603 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,799 Go, then, I'm finished with you. 604 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,480 And don't think you're gonna take my suitcase with you, either. 605 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,639 While a celebrated example of the British New Wave, 606 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,119 Billy Liar also goes its own way. 607 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,519 Schlesinger elevates the docudrama of contemporaries, 608 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,919 such as Lindsay Anderson and Tony Richardson, 609 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,079 with flashes of his own imagination, 610 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,679 including noir-like angles, jump-cuts, 611 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,319 voiceover, and a camera as restless as Billy's thoughts. 612 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,959 It's as if to say film is a form of dreaming. 613 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,959 Unfortunately, the film... 614 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,599 received a pretty muted response at the box office. 615 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,719 It didn't do fabulously well commercially, 616 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,159 and people... you know, commentators said, later on, 617 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,399 that people just probably were a bit confused by it, 618 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,679 or felt that it was so dark. 619 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,519 Then years later, of course, it became this classic, 620 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,079 and I think rightfully recognised as a classic. 621 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,559 (OOHING) 622 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,519 It's all happened! (APPLAUSE) 623 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,799 That's it. Smile at the camera! MAN: Ready, girls? 624 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,000 (ALL PLAYING 'SCOTLAND THE BRAVE') 625 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,280 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 626 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,280 (OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 627 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,079 (ON PA) But this I pledge... 628 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,680 battalions of craftsmen will change the face of our cities... 629 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,479 ...we will build towers! 630 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,800 Towers! 631 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,439 No less. 632 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 633 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,799 Schlesinger is attempting that hardest of cinematic tricks - 634 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,119 visualising the interior life of a character. 635 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,319 He allows Billy's fantasising to invade the reality of the film... 636 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,279 to the point where we are unsure of that reality. 637 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,359 Yet Schlesinger is tapping into something universal - 638 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,799 the fact that we all fantasise about a better life. 639 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,919 It's very interesting, this invented country of Billy's, Ambrosia. 640 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,199 He eventually ends up... 641 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,719 You know, he's a freedom fighter, and he's a war hero, 642 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,039 and he plays all these incredible roles within this world - 643 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,439 a very cinematic, kind of Hollywood-esque imagining 644 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,479 of his part to play in this imaginary country. 645 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,359 But the really interesting thing, I think, 646 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,799 is when he imagines himself doing these kind of dictatorial, 647 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,759 almost fascist-style speeches, 648 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,119 where he's shouting at assorted crowds 649 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,439 to great response and positive response. 650 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,199 And maybe it's a tenuous thing to say, 651 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,039 but I do think, although Billy is a sympathetic character in the main, 652 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,639 it's a very, very wise connection to be made all those years ago, 653 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,559 which still feels very relevant now, 654 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,479 which is that a young man who's frustrated, 655 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,399 who feels like a loser, who has nowhere to go, 656 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,079 wants to shore up his sense of masculinity 657 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,399 by feeling that he's a part of something. 658 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,679 Feeling macho, feeling that bravado. 659 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,439 People like that tend to be attracted to the right wing, 660 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,359 and, you know, that's borne itself out. 661 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,959 Billy Liar is a comedy in a sense... 662 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,359 in the same sense that Chekov wrote comedies. 663 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,519 It's bittersweet. It has funny moments. 664 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,280 But at the end of the day, there is an underlying... tragedy. 665 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,920 Even if nobody actually dies, there is an underlying tragic momentum. 666 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,520 The idea of Billy yearning to go to London... 667 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,119 ...you know, where it's all happening, where he can be creative, 668 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,999 where he can be free, he can be liberated from his parents, 669 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,119 he can find girls willing to go to bed with him - 670 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,879 you know, all that sort of fantasy, 671 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,199 it's not that far away from Masha dreaming of Moscow in Three Sisters. 672 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,679 You know, 'Ah, I want to go to Moscow. I want to go to...' 673 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,479 You know, very well, that they're never gonna get there. 674 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,439 And that, of course, is the... that's the core - 675 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,279 that sort of... 676 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,559 the nugget of what you hope will happen, 677 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,279 and yet, in your heart, know is not going to happen. 678 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,799 And that's what keeps you sort of buoyed throughout the movie, 679 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,319 watching a man... 680 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,159 struggle against his own fears, his own... 681 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,519 You know, he's very imaginative. He has got an imagination. 682 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,999 And it is not very clear in the film - 683 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,359 it's more clear in the book, funnily enough - 684 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,399 but he actually can write. 685 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,359 I mean, the only indication in the film is that he wrote a... 686 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,799 what looked like quite a good song with his friend Arthur, 687 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,199 Rodney Bewes, called Twisterella, which is played... 688 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,799 at the Locarno ballroom when they go there. 689 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,439 Everybody's dancing - every generation, of course - 690 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,839 which is very interesting, and they... 691 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,679 he says, 'Oh, they're playing our song.' 692 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,799 And, you know, the first time, you can pass that by, 693 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,639 but actually, that is... 694 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,479 that's the only significant moment when you think, 695 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,719 'Oh, he actually did something, and it came out, 696 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,199 and it was a success on its own terms.' 697 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,879 And that gives you a tiny, tiny little spark... 698 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,079 of hope that maybe he could do something. 699 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,719 That he could be successful - that he's not an utter loser. 700 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:39,519 Of course, things don't turn out quite that way, 701 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,359 but it's a nice little moment, that. 702 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,519 Echoing the history of valiant failures in British culture, 703 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,319 from Dickens to Ealing, Billy Liar held up a mirror to its audience, 704 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,239 maybe even stirred them into action. 705 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,919 Its bitterly funny enquiry into the need for artistic expression 706 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,519 transformed this whimsical also-ran to a cultural icon. 707 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,759 The British New Wave paved the way for the Swinging Sixties. 708 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,039 Billy has no idea, but everything he dreamed of... 709 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,479 is just around the corner. 710 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,559 Billy Liar is something which is referenced a lot, 711 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,999 culturally, even in music. 712 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,159 So bands like The Smiths have referenced the film. 713 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,039 Morrissey is a big cinephile, so he often leans into old films, 714 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,159 particularly old British films, for his inspiration. 715 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,199 And beyond that, there are a lot of contemporary filmmakers 716 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,599 that pay homage to Schlesinger and to this film. 717 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,919 Richard Ayoade's film Submarine was a good example of that, 718 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,759 and, I think, in the more general sense, 719 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,839 you know, not being afraid to inject very dark humour into proceedings, 720 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,679 even if the film's final takeaway... 721 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,919 was, you know... is serious, or about social issues. 722 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,679 Very good melding of the serious and the humorous. 723 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,199 And, of course, another legacy of Billy Liar 724 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,999 is in the fact that the British television sitcom... 725 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,439 would take on that sort of thwarted ambition. 726 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,239 I think of Rodney Bewes, who's in Billy Liar, 727 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,359 who is in The Likely Lads, which could be his character's story. 728 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,599 And then Leonard Rossiter in The Life And Death Of Reginald Perrin - 729 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,439 you know, a great song to the idea of crushed ideals. 730 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,639 It becomes a British theme. 731 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,479 Well, the British sitcom character... 732 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,999 One of the differences between the American sitcom star 733 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,439 and the British sitcom star is that the British sitcom star... 734 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,439 has ambitions and dreams about changing their situation, 735 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,439 which are never fulfilled - Steptoe And Son, Fawlty Towers. 736 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,919 The Office. You find those characters. 737 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,039 It is always the lead of those films is someone who dreams... 738 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,799 but doesn't succeed - they are all Billy Liar. 739 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,479 Billy Liar sets up this comedic type 740 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,199 that we then return to again and again and again, 741 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,079 particularly in television, because... 742 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,959 And a sitcom is the ideal form for this because the sitcom... 743 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,159 at the end, they're reset, and this is... 744 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,199 If you like, that's the thing about Billy Liar, 745 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,759 is at the end, he resets and starts again. 746 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,359 And that's what the sitcom does, is it takes Billy Liar... 747 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,759 There was, indeed, actually a sitcom called Billy Liar, 748 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,679 which was not as successful, but there's the character who wants... 749 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,639 wants, wants, fails, returns, starts again. 750 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,079 And they just go in this hamster wheel of non-achievement, 751 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,479 and so it does create a whole genre. 752 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,439 The film's lasting power is that it extends a portrait of Northern life 753 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,119 into a metaphor for a changing Britain. 754 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,359 Billy can be read as a symbol for a country 755 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,359 caught between crumbling tradition and an exciting future. 756 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,879 He is trapped between the deathly hold of the funeral parlour 757 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,999 and a train ride to the stuff of dreams, 758 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,199 represented by Christie - herself on the verge of becoming an icon. 759 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,840 Her next film would be Schlesinger's Darling. 760 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,520 (TUNEFUL WHISTLING) 761 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,439 Hello. I had to walk. 762 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,519 Oh, never mind. Do you good. 763 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,800 Now, I have a theory about Liz and Julie Christie. 764 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,399 Given the way John Schlesinger makes the film, 765 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,239 the dividing line between what Billy imagines 766 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,680 and what is the reality of the film gets increasingly hard to judge. 767 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,439 And Liz is so extraordinarily modern, and cool, 768 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,279 and the answer to all his dilemmas. 769 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,319 She's the only person in the film who understands him. 770 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,319 I wonder whether she is, in fact, another of his fantasies? 771 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,599 Well, that's an interesting idea. I think... I think that there's... 772 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,839 I mean, we could talk a lot about Liz. 773 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,479 I think she's one of the most interesting characters in the film. 774 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,479 The way that he... 775 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,239 The way John Schlesinger shoots her is very different to the book. 776 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,599 She's a very different character, and she's very much... 777 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,319 of the '60s in the film. 778 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,159 I can see what you're saying there. 779 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,239 I've always thought of her, to some degree, 780 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:02,119 as being a Lucifer-style figure in that she tempts him... 781 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,679 with the possibility of achieving his dream. 782 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,919 So she arrives at a particular point of crisis, 783 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,919 and she says to him, 'Well, all of the things you want are possible. 784 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,199 Everything - it's all achievable. 785 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,039 Come with me. Come with me to London. 786 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,599 And we will achieve all those things if you give me your soul.' 787 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,679 The ending of Billy Liar is a pivotal moment in British cinema. 788 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,679 We can only watch on in agony as Billy allows the London train, 789 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,439 Julie Christie, and the future, to leave without him. 790 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,040 The film haunts us with the question of why Billy stays behind. 791 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,919 The most profound message of Billy Liar... 792 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,120 is that he cannot escape himself. 793 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,240 (FAINT TRIUMPHANT MUSIC) 794 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,440 (MUSIC BUILDS) 795 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,000 ('AMBROSIA' FROM THE MUSICAL 'BILLY' PLAYS) 796 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,360 Subtitles by Sky Access Services www.skyaccessibility.sky 69380

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