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Previously on The Hack.
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So Nick Davies and The Guardian
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are losing the exclusive
but winning the war.
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Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian
have been in touch with us at Panorama.
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It's the hacking stuff,
but there's also this story
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on Jonathan Rees
that they've been pushing.
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We found invoices on his desk.
Rees to Alex Marunchak.
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At The News of the World
while Andy Coulson was the editor.
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There was a name that appeared
in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
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- Ian Edmondson.
- Ian Edmondson?
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He reported directly to Coulson.
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Someone I want you to meet.
David Cook. Gordon Brown.
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I'm interested in hearing more
about what's happened to you.
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I, uh... I think I might be able to help.
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I, uh...
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- I hear you're a fan of walking.
- I am.
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Do you have a favourite spot?
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Hill walking in Arran, sir.
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You don't need to call me sir.
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Policeman's habit.
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Well, I like Arran.
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Particularly, and, uh,
and this might point
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to a certain masochistic quality
on my part,
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- particularly in the winter time.
- Well, it's the colours,
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Arran in the winter.
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Well, we shall have to go.
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You can show me the route.
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Oh, you're making me quite homesick.
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Well, surely you can get up there
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- more often now you're not...
- Now that I don't have a job?
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No, I didn't mean...
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I should be able to, shouldn't I?
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And yet I keep being dragged back
to London.
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Glen has told me something
about what happened to you.
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- Your story.
- Okay.
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The intrusion, the surveillance,
the meeting with Rebekah Brooks.
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It sounds a merry mess.
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Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes
I shouldn't have.
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Well, we all do.
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We all do.
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My father was a minister,
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as I think you know,
in the Church of Scotland,
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he would...
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He would hear everyone's stories.
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It's a great failing on my part
that I don't have the time
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nor the patience that he does.
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So, I think it's my responsibility
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to tell you why your cruel
and unusual story matter to me.
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It's because...
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It's because I think this country
has become polluted,
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and I think that we could all...
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should all try to do something
about it, don't you?
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You've read the pieces
in The Guardian, about the hacking.
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Yeah, Nick's a friend of mine.
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Did you read the pieces
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- in The New York Times, too?
- I did.
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And you know the work that Glen is doing
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- at Panorama?
- Yeah.
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Rupert Murdoch is trying
to take control of BSkyB.
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If he does that,
it's a valuable organization,
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and he will leverage the value of it
to accumulate the debt
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needed to buy
a huge multinational company,
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perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
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He'll have control of our media
landscape and a good hold of America.
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- He needs to be stopped.
- I agree.
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I will tell you my stories
and you will tell me yours.
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And then perhaps David,
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perhaps we can work out
how to help each other.
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What do you say?
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What do you want me to say?
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♪ How lucky can one guy be ♪
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♪ I kissed her and she kissed me ♪
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♪ Like the sailor said, quote ♪
♪ "Ain't that a hole in a boat?" ♪
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Into the shark's cage.
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I don't think they'll be providing us
with cages tonight.
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- You're late.
- Who the hell thought press awards
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were a good idea?
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A narcissist who realised
it's an industry full of narcissists
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who pay to be rewarded
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- for the narcissism.
- I can't be here.
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Look over there. News of the World.
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You know
they actually have members of staff
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under arrest
and many more being investigated.
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The brass neck on them is ridiculous.
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So the least I can attempt is some neck?
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No. I just want you here.
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You think we're going
to win something. You're mad.
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- Everyone here hates us.
- I want you here
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because I want us to lose
with dignity together.
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I've missed you.
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I feel itchy. I hate this shirt.
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Well, it makes you look
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- extremely handsome.
- Oh, well.
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Now I have to go and play nice
with some rich board members.
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But please remember, these people,
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they're more frightened of you
than you are of them.
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There's a difference
between hate and fear.
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♪ Tell me quick, ♪
♪ ain't love a kick in the head ♪
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Ladies and gentlemen,
your attention, please.
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Before our awards start this evening,
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we have a special update
from journalist Nick Davies.
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On Wednesday, 26th of January,
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News International passed
Scotland Yard three email messages
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which they claimed
to have "only just discovered"
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in Ian Edmondson's computer.
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And Ian Edmondson was sacked.
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Once in receipt of these emails,
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Scotland Yard announced a new inquiry,
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Operation Weeting,
under the command of Sue Akers.
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I dismissed Weeting as a PR move
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by the Met until on the 9th of February
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they released a statement.
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The new evidence recently provided
by News International
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is being considered alongside material
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already in the Metropolitan
Police Service's possession.
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It couldn't be. They weren't
finally going to investigate
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the last four years
of their incompetence.
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All actions and decisions
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by the previous investigation
are being reviewed.
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Or were they? Were we winning? Finally?
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I certainly didn't feel like a winner.
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...show business, shall we?
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And the award for showbiz reporter
of the year goes to...
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It's Stephen Moyes
of The News of the World.
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Congratulations, Stephen.
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Okay, and the award for news reporter
of the year goes to...
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It's the fake Sheikh, Mazher Mahmood,
from The News of the World.
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The Scoop of the Year now.
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The Scoop of the year is awarded
to The News of the World
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for its excellent coverage
of the cricket corruption scandal.
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And the award goes
to The News of the World.
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The News of the World!
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Okay, the moment
we've all been waiting for.
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It's the big one,
the Newspaper of the Year.
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Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to,
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for what the judges say is a paper
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completely unafraid
to take on the powers that be.
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So, the newspaper
of the year award goes to...
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The Guardian.
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- Jackie Hames?
- Yes.
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Hello, my name is DS Slater,
and this is DC Grossman.
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- Is it David?
- David Cook? No.
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Uh, No. Well, I suppose, um,
in a way, yes.
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We are here investigating.
We're part of a new operation.
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Operation Weeting,
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we're investigating
allegations of phone hacking.
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Do you work for John Yates?
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No, we're part of the Special
Crime Directorate,
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under the command of Deputy
Assistant Commissioner Akers.
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Great. Thank you.
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You were found in the notebooks
of Glenn Mulcaire.
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This doesn't surprise me.
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We'd like you to take a look
at these details.
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Is this your police payroll
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- and warrant numbers?
- Yes.
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How did he have these?
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That's where I lived in 1977.
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And is this where you worked in 2002?
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- Yes. Yeah.
- And this phone number, this is...
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This is correct. Yeah.
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There's information here
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that could only have come
from my police personnel file.
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Yeah, we, um, that's what we think.
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Someone within the Met
sold him my information,
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- David's information.
- It's um...
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It's possible.
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- When was this known?
- I'm sorry?
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When did the Metropolitan Police
have this information?
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A notebook was taken
from Mulcaire in 2006.
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- 2006?
- Yeah.
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And the Met chose neither
to inform me nor investigate
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this "possible" corruption.
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Well, that's what
we're trying to do now, ma'am.
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- Glen Campbell.
- Nick Davies.
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- Hi.
- Honour and a privilege.
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I hear that you're not well liked
at Panorama.
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I hear you're adored at The Guardian.
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So, who do you usually meet here?
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This is where you meet
criminals or politicians?
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I float between cafes and pubs
like a butterfly at a festival.
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I liked the Panorama
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- on Alex Marunchak.
- It wasn't one of mine.
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You helped. A lot. It was good.
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You've got some particularly great
hits in on Jonathan Rees.
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And I'd liked your piece on him too.
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Mr A. Very good.
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- Are you writing more?
- No.
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I'm... didn't Dave say? I'm out.
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Coulson's gone.
This is as far as I can go.
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Don't look like that.
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An engineered death, but something.
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I wanted people
to take it seriously, they didn't.
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So, I'm handing everything on.
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I'm trying to persuade Alan
to give me Belgium.
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They gave you Newspaper of the Year.
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That was for The Guardian, not me.
I lost my category.
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- You're getting somewhere, Nick.
- I got somewhere.
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Look, I know
what this must have cost you.
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Cost me isn't the half of it.
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No one... No one cared.
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The whole industry turned away
like a complicit snake.
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What if I said I came
to see you today with an agenda?
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I'm friends with Clare Rewcastle Brown,
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the journalist and sister in law
of Gordon Brown.
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He's leaning in.
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I took Dave to see him,
and he now wants to meet you.
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- Gordon Brown?
- Gordon's been looking at your work,
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and he thinks there's a way
to use it to go further.
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Come on, Nick.
What's meeting him going to cost you?
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Well, it's, uh,
it's wonderful to have you all here.
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Thank you, Clare and Glen
for organising it.
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You know, I have such respect for
the work of everyone in this room.
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And I used to be Prime Minister.
There. Does that start us off?
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Yes.
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- Just about.
- The Murdoch BSkyB bid
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would be a disaster for our country.
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This hacking investigation
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needs better scrutiny
than people have chosen to give it.
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If people understood,
properly understood the hacking,
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what was happening with hacking,
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it may mean they rethink the BSkyB bid.
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We have a shared objective.
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How we achieve that objective is...
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well, I increasingly believe,
as does Clare
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and Tom, would be best achieved together.
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And perhaps everyone would like some tea?
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And perhaps everyone would like some tea.
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Just sit, sit. I'll pour.
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No, I'll pour.
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Right. Who would like to begin?
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Well, maybe I should speak first.
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I was recently interrupted
in an investigation room
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and shown details of my case
and Operation Weeting that were...
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Well, the level of intrusion
was troubling.
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It's just possible that Operation Weeting
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is the first Met op to be run properly.
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Well, the secret is John Yates
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- isn't running it.
- Good.
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Good. So, how do we help them?
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Where will they struggle?
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Well, we have to get them
to include Jonathan Rees.
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It makes no sense to tackle
Mulcaire and not Rees.
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I've got invoices to show
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that they were both
up to exactly the same activities.
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Prepare me a file
and I'll send it to Sue Akers.
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- Is it that simple?
- Well, I have access
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to Sue through the Select Committee.
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I can't promise results,
but it's a start, no?
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Well, Sue and I
were DS's at the same time,
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I've already asked her
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to expand the scope
of the investigation, but...
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It'll mean more coming
from a parliamentary perspective.
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Good. What else?
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You seem to all be
constantly looking at me surprised.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the problem
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we have is that the police,
politicians and press
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are all collaborating
under Murdoch's aegis.
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We are also made up of police,
politicians and press
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an unofficial opposition, if you like.
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So, let's talk.
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What do we need to do?
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You, uh,
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- are you having a nice time?
- I'm fine.
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You know, you're a remarkable
campaigner, Nick.
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Did you ever consider full time politics?
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Um...
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Well, I don't know. I don't know...
Why would you say that?
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Perhaps a bit too suspicious
of other people to be a politician.
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Something I struggle
with myself sometimes.
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And, uh, and I believe it
because I've seen it. On this case.
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You're not sure
whether I mean this, are you?
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- Sorry?
- You don't trust me.
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I think this is the ball that
I picked up that I will quickly drop.
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You're saying you won't drop the ball?
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You know, they, um, they came at me
in every way, as you might expect.
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They blagged my lawyer,
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they procured
my family's medical information,
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and they, um,
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this is quite something,
they impersonated me
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to get into my building society account.
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That's a lot.
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I tried to hold a judicial inquiry
into phone hacking in...
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Let's see now, uh, autumn 2009,
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- after I read a piece of yours.
- That was my first article.
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The civil service resisted it,
I think is the kind term.
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"It did not meet the tests
of public concern."
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You know, everyone, everyone thinks
they're close to Rupert.
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He's very adept at that.
He talks quietly, you know all this.
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He rarely disagrees, he asks questions
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and, uh, he makes everyone
feel interesting.
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It fascinates me
how the powerful let him in.
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I wasn't as good at it,
at that game as Tony.
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When he came for me and, uh, and he did.
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I was, I was unprepared,
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whether it was how I bowed my head
at the cenotaph
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or how I wrote to the grieving
mothers of dead soldiers.
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- Yes, I remember.
- You know, I rang Rupert
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to tell him that his papers
were damaging morale in Afghanistan.
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As prime minister,
I was asking people to fight,
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to risk, and he was telling them
article after article
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that I was casual with their lives,
with soldiers' life.
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That I didn't care. To undermine that,
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to make those young people feel...
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undervalued by their government.
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It's just not right.
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Sometimes you can tell
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that you're the son of a preacher.
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You know he wants everything,
his ambition is limitless.
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But he's overstepped here. And badly.
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We can and we should do
something important to counter him.
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But this started with you
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and it's going to need to end with you.
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All of which is to say,
we need you, Nick.
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- Dave. Dave.
- Yes, sir.
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- How's life at SOCA?
- We're getting somewhere today.
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Did I hear you've been giving orders
to GCHQ? That must be fun.
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It's a bit more complicated than that.
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What can I do for you, John?
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Would you mind popping into mine
for a minute?
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Sure.
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Internal Investigations caught
an email coming from your computer
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- to Mike Sullivan at The Sun.
- Which email?
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So, why is this a problem?
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I said you'd rather be told it by me...
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Well, he was useful on Morgan,
he's still useful now.
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I mean, you've got a good relationship
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with him yourself, haven't you?
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I also have one or two questions
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about the Panorama programme
that went out.
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- Yeah.
- I believe you're friends
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with Glen Campbell at Panorama.
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- I have been.
- Do you think you could ask him
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how he got footage of Jonathan Rees
at his computer?
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Well, he's quite protective
of his sources.
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Rees is convinced, as am I,
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that the footage could only
have come from inside the Met.
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He's threatening to take action. Again.
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Did it? Come from inside the Met?
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- Is that a further...
- The request to pass information
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to Mike Sullivan came from you.
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- I mean, he's your mate.
- But there are rules, Dave,
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- and you know that.
- I do.
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And how's Operation Weeting
treating you, Mr Rules?
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Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan,
Nick Davies or anyone fucking else,
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anything about our cases
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and you'll be strung up for all to see.
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- Do you hear me?
- Yeah, I hear you.
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I've got permission to talk about it
with you and you alone.
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- I am privileged.
- That means private meetings,
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you and I, outside of editorial.
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Of course. When have we not had those?
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- Welcome back.
- Alan. Our Scottish friend,
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you know him better than I do.
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- We can trust him, right?
- I want to say two things.
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One, you're a journalist
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and I am scared that getting into bed
with certain politicians
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- we'll lose our vital independence.
- You do it all the time.
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I share my bed with all political parties
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and I hope I'm pretty fair
at sharing the covers.
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Nick, we've just removed
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a senior member of Conservative staff,
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and I don't want that dismissed
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as coming from the newspaper arm
of the Labour group.
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Yeah, understood.
But I asked about Gordon.
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And that's the second thing.
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You don't go into a room
with Gordon Brown
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and get what you want,
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you go into a room and get what he wants.
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He's ferociously intelligent,
and very used to power.
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But if your interests align,
as I think they do here,
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he can be a remarkable ally.
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- One last push, is it?
- And then I want Brussels.
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And then you want
your well-paid chocolate dream.
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Of course. Good.
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But please Nick, take it slow.
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To work. What have you got?
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The flood of cases
is overwhelming the courts.
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So, they've just appointed
a Hacking Judge.
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He's already causing trouble.
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At the Andy Gray trial,
he said it's clear
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Mulcaire had been regularly hacking him.
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So that's an invitation.
Any man, woman or creature
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who has anything in those books
has been given license to sue.
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- And you'll write it up?
- Yeah.
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Why do you think they gave us this?
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Huh? For good journalism.
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None of them support the story,
our story.
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Guilt, the world's most powerful motive.
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- I love you, darling.
- Yeah. I love you too.
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00:20:51,992 --> 00:20:54,252
- Dinner's in an hour.
- Okay.
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It's mac and cheese.
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She's not been sleeping very well.
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I've been making her leave her phone
downstairs most nights,
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I'm not sure you'll get away with that.
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I'll do my best.
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00:21:08,553 --> 00:21:10,553
Also, um...
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I've been contacted by Operation Weeting.
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- Oh, have you?
- You knew then?
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The things they had on me.
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I know. I'm sorry.
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00:21:27,714 --> 00:21:29,714
- I should have warned you.
- Yeah.
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00:21:33,114 --> 00:21:35,414
- Yates came after me today.
- And?
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- Didn't land a punch.
- Good.
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00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:41,540
They're keeping me at arms length,
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00:21:41,954 --> 00:21:44,735
but they did tell me
a few pieces of useful information.
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00:21:44,835 --> 00:21:49,295
You remember that time Surrey police
got a call fishing for my details.
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00:21:49,402 --> 00:21:52,242
- Mm-hm.
- Well, Weeting told me that, um,
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it was probably Mulcaire
who made that call.
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Jesus Christ.
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00:22:00,515 --> 00:22:03,516
I don't think anyone's understood
the depth of criminality here.
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Destabilising police investigations,
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we're talking about
a murder charge being...
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Yeah. Look, who I'm telling, right?
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- Please don't laugh at me about this.
- I'm not.
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I'm not.
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00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:21,536
You know, right at the beginning of this,
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I went to see Rebekah Brooks.
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And I said,
what you're doing is outrageous.
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And you know what she said?
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She said, "We believed
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that you and Jackie
were having an affair,
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and as you're both public figures,
public interest was on our side."
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00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,818
They thought we were having an affair
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- when we were already married?
- Ridiculous.
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00:22:47,758 --> 00:22:50,158
- Absurd.
- Cruel, I think is a better word.
426
00:22:54,118 --> 00:22:55,220
Yeah.
427
00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:06,480
I have a source in the police
who's been quite openly victimised.
428
00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:10,081
Might stop the whining celebrity angle.
429
00:23:10,181 --> 00:23:12,241
What whining celebrity angle?
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00:23:12,341 --> 00:23:14,281
People dismissing it because they think
431
00:23:14,381 --> 00:23:17,161
it's just celebrities whining.
Get him on the record.
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00:23:17,261 --> 00:23:18,801
It's just, he's been badly damaged
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00:23:18,901 --> 00:23:21,021
- by all this already.
- You're Nick Davies?
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Only on weekdays.
Have we met? How can I help?
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00:23:25,341 --> 00:23:26,401
By telling me what the fuck
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00:23:26,501 --> 00:23:28,501
you think you're doing stealing my story?
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00:23:30,182 --> 00:23:32,182
Can we use your office?
438
00:23:37,822 --> 00:23:41,642
- Which story have I stolen?
- Apparently, you're Mr Hacking.
439
00:23:41,742 --> 00:23:42,882
Every hacking story
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- carries your byline.
- It doesn't.
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00:23:45,742 --> 00:23:47,802
Today. In the paper. Published.
442
00:23:47,902 --> 00:23:50,703
- You didn't write one word of it.
- No.
443
00:23:52,503 --> 00:23:56,383
- Well, aren't you going to apologise?
- No.
444
00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:01,563
You know, The Guardian
gives out all this shit
445
00:24:01,663 --> 00:24:03,683
about what kind of world it wants,
and yet...
446
00:24:03,783 --> 00:24:06,443
- This is well written.
- Fuck off.
447
00:24:06,543 --> 00:24:09,483
I didn't ask for a credit on it.
Whoever said I did was wrong.
448
00:24:09,583 --> 00:24:11,444
Right, then, who do we see next?
449
00:24:11,544 --> 00:24:13,524
- Alan?
- Bold, don't you think?
450
00:24:13,624 --> 00:24:15,604
Writing a story about the hacking scandal
451
00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:16,804
without consulting someone
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00:24:16,904 --> 00:24:19,864
who spent the last three years
having his life destroyed by it?
453
00:24:22,024 --> 00:24:23,484
Is this what works for you?
454
00:24:23,584 --> 00:24:25,524
When you're attacked
you just attack back?
455
00:24:25,624 --> 00:24:26,844
No. Sometimes.
456
00:24:26,944 --> 00:24:28,884
Maybe. You could have something there.
457
00:24:28,984 --> 00:24:32,685
This is about Operation Weeting,
it's a totally different thing.
458
00:24:32,785 --> 00:24:35,305
How come I haven't seen you
round the offices before?
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00:24:36,705 --> 00:24:40,365
I work alone. My own hours.
They're supportive of it.
460
00:24:40,465 --> 00:24:42,205
And what have you got on Weeting?
461
00:24:42,305 --> 00:24:44,885
A contact of mine
in the force has been put on it.
462
00:24:44,985 --> 00:24:46,845
He's feeding me.
463
00:24:46,945 --> 00:24:48,885
- Tell me everything.
- No.
464
00:24:52,466 --> 00:24:56,566
He says it's timid.
He's eager for more action.
465
00:24:56,666 --> 00:24:59,426
- What's he giving you?
- Each arrest as it happens.
466
00:25:00,706 --> 00:25:01,926
Neville Thurlbeck is going to be
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00:25:02,026 --> 00:25:03,766
at Kingston Police Station
between nine and ten,
468
00:25:03,866 --> 00:25:06,406
so, I'm there
conveniently for the arrest.
469
00:25:06,506 --> 00:25:11,047
Can you... might you tell your source,
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00:25:11,147 --> 00:25:13,847
um, tell him to look into the initial
Select Committee hearings,
471
00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:16,647
in particular the letter they got
from the News International lawyers.
472
00:25:16,747 --> 00:25:20,107
Because there's disclosures in that
the police never got the answer to.
473
00:25:23,747 --> 00:25:26,647
Thanks. I will.
474
00:25:26,747 --> 00:25:30,847
Would it be so bad, us working together?
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00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:33,068
You need to see this.
476
00:25:34,068 --> 00:25:36,848
Here's Ben Rosier
in Wapping with more on this story.
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00:25:36,948 --> 00:25:38,128
First, the denials
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that celebrity voicemail messages
were listened to,
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00:25:40,868 --> 00:25:43,488
then they claim it was down
to a single rogue reporter
480
00:25:43,588 --> 00:25:45,728
- and a private investigator sidekick.
- What?
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00:25:45,828 --> 00:25:47,168
Now the admission,
482
00:25:47,268 --> 00:25:49,568
"We failed to uncover what was going on."
483
00:25:49,668 --> 00:25:52,409
"We're going to apologise,
and we're going to pay up."
484
00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:55,449
- Fuck.
- Absolutely right.
485
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:58,969
What exactly are
The News of the World admitting to?
486
00:25:59,069 --> 00:26:01,769
- It's brilliant.
- Is it?
487
00:26:01,869 --> 00:26:04,809
Well, by admitting they're at fault,
and agreeing to cooperate,
488
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:07,649
in fact, what they're doing
is they're finding a new device
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00:26:07,749 --> 00:26:10,729
for concealing the truth.
Nick, will it be cheaper?
490
00:26:10,829 --> 00:26:12,010
Uh, standard-rate damages
491
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:14,250
rather than the million-pound
hush money they've had to pay out.
492
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:17,490
And getting this out in court now
is next to impossible. Am I right?
493
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:21,090
Well, if you are... Uh, for instance,
Sienna Miller
494
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:23,130
and you do take it to trial,
495
00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:25,890
then if she ends up getting less at trial
496
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:28,130
than they offered her before,
then she risks being ordered
497
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:31,330
to pay both side's costs,
which could be astronomical.
498
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:34,731
And so... Then, yes, it makes getting
to trial almost impossible.
499
00:26:34,831 --> 00:26:37,571
- Shit.
- My advice is...
500
00:26:37,671 --> 00:26:40,331
They've twisted one way,
we must twist another.
501
00:26:40,431 --> 00:26:43,251
I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Rees.
502
00:26:43,351 --> 00:26:45,291
She's shutting you down?
503
00:26:45,391 --> 00:26:47,611
She says her remit is limited
504
00:26:47,711 --> 00:26:50,291
to Mulcaire and the notebooks.
She isn't going near Rees.
505
00:26:50,391 --> 00:26:53,572
Should we try to leak something?
Put pressure on that way.
506
00:26:53,672 --> 00:26:56,052
I've got Rees specifically
targeting Kate Middleton.
507
00:26:56,152 --> 00:26:58,092
I've just heard he targeted John Yates.
508
00:26:58,192 --> 00:27:02,932
Or we could... Do you think...
If we twisted an arm or two,
509
00:27:03,032 --> 00:27:05,772
do you think we could get me
up the list for PMQs?
510
00:27:05,872 --> 00:27:09,532
- Ah. That's a very good idea.
- I'm not following.
511
00:27:09,632 --> 00:27:11,572
What does Sue Akers want?
512
00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:14,213
To be free to take the evidence
wherever it leads her,
513
00:27:14,313 --> 00:27:16,613
with a swift prod from the left.
514
00:27:16,713 --> 00:27:19,293
Maybe the Prime Minister
will extend her brief.
515
00:27:19,393 --> 00:27:22,973
- You could even name Rees.
- Oh. Good. Good.
516
00:27:23,073 --> 00:27:26,473
Hang on. All of this exposes Dave
to scrutiny again.
517
00:27:28,353 --> 00:27:31,053
- I'm ready.
- Tom, can I help?
518
00:27:31,153 --> 00:27:34,174
- Please do.
- Good. Good.
519
00:27:34,274 --> 00:27:36,214
Let's box Cameron in.
520
00:27:36,314 --> 00:27:38,254
As the Prime Minister
has previously said,
521
00:27:38,354 --> 00:27:41,814
the hacking inquiry should go
where the evidence takes it.
522
00:27:41,914 --> 00:27:44,974
The Metropolitan Police
are in possession of paperwork,
523
00:27:45,074 --> 00:27:46,454
which details the dealings
524
00:27:46,554 --> 00:27:49,214
of criminal private investigator
Jonathan Rees.
525
00:27:49,314 --> 00:27:52,574
It strongly suggests that
on behalf of News International,
526
00:27:52,674 --> 00:27:55,495
he was illegally targeting members
of the royal family,
527
00:27:55,595 --> 00:27:59,095
senior politicians
and high level terrorist informers.
528
00:27:59,195 --> 00:28:02,575
Yet the head of Operation Weeting
has recently written to me
529
00:28:02,675 --> 00:28:04,055
to explain that this evidence
530
00:28:04,155 --> 00:28:07,015
may be outside
the inquiry's terms of reference.
531
00:28:07,115 --> 00:28:08,735
Prime Minister,
532
00:28:08,835 --> 00:28:11,875
I believe powerful forces
are involved in a cover-up.
533
00:28:13,435 --> 00:28:16,696
Please, please tell me
what you intend to do
534
00:28:16,796 --> 00:28:18,796
to make sure that this doesn't happen.
535
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,216
The point I'd make
to the honourable gentleman
536
00:28:23,316 --> 00:28:26,896
who I Know takes a close interest in
this, is there is a police inquiry.
537
00:28:26,996 --> 00:28:29,216
A police inquiry
doesn't need terms of reference.
538
00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:31,936
The police are free
to investigate the evidence
539
00:28:32,036 --> 00:28:33,976
and take that wherever it leads them
540
00:28:34,076 --> 00:28:36,677
and then mount a prosecution
with the CPS.
541
00:28:38,797 --> 00:28:40,777
- Amelia. Hi.
- Sorry, go in.
542
00:28:40,877 --> 00:28:43,097
Sorry. A bit weird to wait
for people outside toilets.
543
00:28:43,197 --> 00:28:45,137
- Oh, I've done worse.
- Got a minute?
544
00:28:45,237 --> 00:28:48,697
- Sure.
- Two inquiries are being set up.
545
00:28:48,797 --> 00:28:49,977
Operation Tuleta,
546
00:28:50,077 --> 00:28:51,777
looking specifically into Jonathan Rees.
547
00:28:51,877 --> 00:28:53,817
- Good.
- Operation Elveden...
548
00:28:53,917 --> 00:28:56,138
I can never get over Scotland Yard's
need for strange names.
549
00:28:56,238 --> 00:28:58,818
To investigate the alleged payment
of bribes to police officers
550
00:28:58,918 --> 00:29:01,418
and other officials from journalists
from the News of the World.
551
00:29:01,518 --> 00:29:04,898
- What's made them do this?
- You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
552
00:29:04,998 --> 00:29:07,738
- Oh, I may have done.
- Did you write it?
553
00:29:12,598 --> 00:29:17,179
Also, the Select Committee wading
you suggested to my officer,
554
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,459
- let's call him...
- Jingle.
555
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:21,799
Fine. It proved fruitful.
556
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,859
Operation Weeting forced some e-mails
out of News International.
557
00:29:25,959 --> 00:29:27,219
And the Met discovered on their servers
558
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,059
some systematic deletions.
559
00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:30,859
- Of course.
- In particular,
560
00:29:30,959 --> 00:29:33,939
one enormous deletion in January.
561
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,740
While they were handing over
562
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,220
those three e-mails
from Ian Edmondson? Bastards!
563
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,140
- Can we print?
- I'm... I'm working on it.
564
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,540
Look, Jingle was grateful for the advice.
565
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,020
He said he can't volunteer
information on active cases,
566
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,320
but ask him a question,
he'll tell no lies.
567
00:29:59,361 --> 00:30:00,621
We've had something interesting come up.
568
00:30:00,721 --> 00:30:01,781
What is Judge Voss doing?
569
00:30:01,881 --> 00:30:04,061
I feel like we've only seen
a tiny percent of Mulcaire's note.
570
00:30:04,161 --> 00:30:06,901
Voss is being robust with everyone.
It's yielding fruit.
571
00:30:07,001 --> 00:30:09,541
- Sienna Miller is being typically...
- The Sky Andrew case feels important.
572
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:10,861
- Where are we...
- Nick, I've got something,
573
00:30:10,961 --> 00:30:12,981
if you're interested,
but you will need to listen.
574
00:30:13,081 --> 00:30:15,081
Sorry. Go on.
575
00:30:17,522 --> 00:30:20,462
I've been representing, as you know,
Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman.
576
00:30:20,562 --> 00:30:21,582
Yeah, I read about it.
577
00:30:21,682 --> 00:30:23,682
You're doing brilliantly.
578
00:30:24,762 --> 00:30:26,942
You're like my ex,
you always get complimentary
579
00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:29,382
when you know you're in the wrong.
580
00:30:29,482 --> 00:30:31,482
Sorry. I am sorry.
581
00:30:33,122 --> 00:30:35,062
I heard you were a mess.
582
00:30:35,162 --> 00:30:38,103
Oh, fine. I can see an island of sanity.
583
00:30:38,203 --> 00:30:41,003
I'm... I'm floating close to it. Go on.
584
00:30:45,763 --> 00:30:47,703
I went to Putney
so that the rooting officers
585
00:30:47,803 --> 00:30:50,263
could show me the notes
Mulcaire had taken from Leslie Ash
586
00:30:50,363 --> 00:30:52,103
- and Lee Chapman's voicemail.
- Yeah.
587
00:30:52,203 --> 00:30:58,664
And some genius combined the two names
588
00:30:58,764 --> 00:31:01,924
and gave me the details
of Leslie Chapman.
589
00:31:03,564 --> 00:31:06,484
- Remind me.
- Jessica Chapman's father.
590
00:31:07,524 --> 00:31:09,584
Jessica Chapman was one
of the murdered schoolgirls, right?
591
00:31:09,684 --> 00:31:11,584
The Soham murders?
592
00:31:11,684 --> 00:31:14,624
It looks like Leslie Chapman's
voicemail was hacked.
593
00:31:14,724 --> 00:31:16,865
They hacked the voicemail
of a grieving father?
594
00:31:16,965 --> 00:31:21,885
I'm not sure, but it looks that way.
You can't use it. Yet.
595
00:31:23,805 --> 00:31:26,865
- This could change everything.
- I need to talk to the family.
596
00:31:26,965 --> 00:31:30,985
I need permissions. I need to be sure.
597
00:31:31,085 --> 00:31:32,465
The Chapman family, I could talk to them.
598
00:31:32,565 --> 00:31:34,565
That's not why I'm telling you this.
599
00:31:35,645 --> 00:31:39,386
Nick, think. If they're doing this
to the Chapmans...
600
00:31:39,486 --> 00:31:42,406
- Where else have they been?
- Exactly.
601
00:31:48,566 --> 00:31:50,506
Jessica Chapman.
602
00:31:50,606 --> 00:31:54,066
The Soham murders
tore the police apart for a while.
603
00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:56,666
She's sure they were
in the parents' phone?
604
00:31:56,766 --> 00:31:59,707
It's in Mulcaire's notebooks.
But I can't get in there.
605
00:31:59,807 --> 00:32:02,427
- I've got to find another way in.
- You will.
606
00:32:02,527 --> 00:32:06,687
- I envy your confidence.
- No, just, um...
607
00:32:09,887 --> 00:32:11,887
I'm just happy to have you back.
608
00:32:15,087 --> 00:32:17,908
- I thought that was better.
- Sometimes.
609
00:32:18,008 --> 00:32:20,008
It comes and goes.
610
00:32:21,848 --> 00:32:23,788
Are you just frying that cheese?
611
00:32:23,888 --> 00:32:24,988
It's halloumi cheese.
612
00:32:25,088 --> 00:32:27,148
- You'll like it.
- I'm not hungry anymore.
613
00:32:27,248 --> 00:32:28,588
- What?
- No, it's just that I don't get it.
614
00:32:28,688 --> 00:32:29,868
I mean...
615
00:32:29,968 --> 00:32:32,008
I eat when I know that I have to eat.
616
00:32:33,328 --> 00:32:35,548
I just don't get hungry anymore.
617
00:32:35,648 --> 00:32:37,588
- Don't.
- What?
618
00:32:37,688 --> 00:32:39,669
- With that sympathy look.
- I'm not being sympathetic.
619
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:42,149
Don't try and pretend
you're in any better state than me.
620
00:32:42,249 --> 00:32:44,749
I've seen you, mate.
You are this close to total collapse.
621
00:32:44,849 --> 00:32:46,149
- I'm telling you.
- You know the story
622
00:32:46,249 --> 00:32:47,309
of the dung beetle?
623
00:32:47,409 --> 00:32:49,509
Oh, God. Have I stooped that low?
624
00:32:49,609 --> 00:32:51,789
- What?
- It's what you trot out.
625
00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:54,949
You trot out that story quite a lot,
you know. Ask your kids.
626
00:32:55,049 --> 00:32:57,749
Christ, pity your kids.
Whatever's going on...
627
00:32:57,849 --> 00:33:00,550
- Have you heard of the dung beetle?
- An aggressive response.
628
00:33:00,650 --> 00:33:03,030
Come on.
629
00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:06,130
- That'll make you hungry.
- Thank you.
630
00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:11,530
- You want to know how I do it?
- Hmm.
631
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:16,090
I focus on the details.
Always the next detail.
632
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:20,531
I've been phobic of blood
ever since a body exploded on me.
633
00:33:21,691 --> 00:33:23,471
- Body exploded on you?
- Yeah, well,
634
00:33:23,571 --> 00:33:25,231
an older man full of hernias.
635
00:33:25,331 --> 00:33:30,511
Normally, when a pathologist scalpel
enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
636
00:33:30,611 --> 00:33:33,431
Well, this time he exploded.
637
00:33:33,531 --> 00:33:35,871
Blood was everywhere,
I was covered in it.
638
00:33:35,971 --> 00:33:37,551
I was in homicide. So going to pathology
639
00:33:37,651 --> 00:33:39,992
is a key part of my job, right?
640
00:33:40,092 --> 00:33:42,092
So I focused on the details.
641
00:33:43,092 --> 00:33:45,092
Ears, toes.
642
00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:48,692
Even how the wound looked.
643
00:33:49,772 --> 00:33:51,772
The blood, I made disappear.
644
00:33:56,492 --> 00:33:58,492
So how do you do it, Nick?
645
00:34:48,575 --> 00:34:50,575
Tell me I'm mad.
646
00:34:51,815 --> 00:34:53,755
- With pleasure.
- I was in the database.
647
00:34:53,855 --> 00:34:56,555
News of the World, April 14th, 2002.
648
00:34:56,655 --> 00:34:58,635
Two hundred fifty words long, page nine.
649
00:34:58,735 --> 00:35:00,355
It claims that voicemail messages
650
00:35:00,455 --> 00:35:03,416
were sent to Milly's phone
after she disappeared.
651
00:35:04,776 --> 00:35:06,716
Milly Dowler.
652
00:35:06,816 --> 00:35:08,396
"Police say voicemails were left
653
00:35:08,496 --> 00:35:12,036
by a mentally disturbed woman
who was hoaxed previous inquiries."
654
00:35:12,136 --> 00:35:14,756
It even quotes what the voicemail said.
655
00:35:14,856 --> 00:35:17,956
"Uh, hello. We're ringing because
we have some interviews starting.
656
00:35:18,056 --> 00:35:20,056
Can you call me back? Thank you.
Bye-bye."
657
00:35:23,137 --> 00:35:25,657
This is six days
after Milly had disappeared.
658
00:35:29,417 --> 00:35:31,457
Final edition of the paper.
659
00:35:33,097 --> 00:35:35,097
That reference was removed.
660
00:35:39,817 --> 00:35:42,358
Because they might have realised
what a boo-boo they had made.
661
00:35:42,458 --> 00:35:43,518
Charlotte has evidence
662
00:35:43,618 --> 00:35:46,998
that they hacked Jessica Chapman's
father on the Soham case.
663
00:35:47,098 --> 00:35:49,598
We can't get close to that,
that was the family...
664
00:35:49,698 --> 00:35:53,258
- But this is the girl herself.
- Rebekah was editor then.
665
00:35:54,658 --> 00:35:56,658
This was under her aegis.
666
00:35:58,898 --> 00:36:01,138
- Can you confirm this?
- I think so.
667
00:36:05,925 --> 00:36:08,245
Is this as big as I think it is?
668
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:11,679
Yes, it is.
669
00:36:13,891 --> 00:36:16,211
Make sure it stands up.
670
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:30,080
Yeah, hi. Any fruit?
671
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:31,720
Jingle says they've been investigating.
672
00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:34,040
Is that confirmation?
Are they confirming that it happened?
673
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:37,060
Yes. There is a page on Dowler
in Mulcaire's notebooks.
674
00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:40,840
Right. We need to be
absolutely watertight.
675
00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:43,760
Nick, he also says
they're pursuing a line of inquiry,
676
00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:47,040
they deleted messages
because the voice mailbox was full.
677
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:48,841
They deleted messages?
678
00:36:48,941 --> 00:36:51,081
I'll get us a firm anonymous quote
from Jingle.
679
00:36:51,181 --> 00:36:53,221
- Okay, thanks Amelia. Bye-bye.
- Bye.
680
00:36:55,301 --> 00:36:58,281
I have a source from inside Weeting,
I've got the article. Glen.
681
00:36:58,381 --> 00:36:59,681
I've got a good source saying
682
00:36:59,781 --> 00:37:02,261
that Surrey police knew about it
and the Dowler family did not.
683
00:37:03,421 --> 00:37:06,201
Well, this is it. This is it.
684
00:37:06,301 --> 00:37:09,642
I don't want to believe, but I do.
685
00:37:09,742 --> 00:37:12,242
The source is clear. Stuart Kuttner...
686
00:37:12,342 --> 00:37:14,882
- Remember him?
- ...even called Surrey police.
687
00:37:14,982 --> 00:37:17,122
He didn't just hear the voicemail,
he followed up on it.
688
00:37:17,222 --> 00:37:19,722
They even think they deleted
her answerphone messages
689
00:37:19,822 --> 00:37:22,442
to allow space for messages to be given.
690
00:37:22,542 --> 00:37:23,642
Which made the family think
691
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,562
- she was still alive.
- Oh, God.
692
00:37:25,662 --> 00:37:29,583
Do you know if we can land this,
this changes everything.
693
00:37:30,583 --> 00:37:35,283
- How?
- A child? A dead child's phone?
694
00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:37,763
It's despicable.
You know, part of the British public
695
00:37:37,863 --> 00:37:39,483
think that celebrities, politicians,
696
00:37:39,583 --> 00:37:41,443
journalists even deserve
everything they get.
697
00:37:41,543 --> 00:37:46,623
But when an innocent is harmed,
an innocent already wronged.
698
00:37:47,623 --> 00:37:51,924
Trust me, the News of the World
won't be forgiven for this.
699
00:37:57,064 --> 00:37:59,064
Hi, this is Dave. Leave a message.
700
00:38:00,464 --> 00:38:04,484
David, I've been offered
to go on to Channel 4.
701
00:38:04,584 --> 00:38:06,884
I don't have a career to protect,
and I think I should do it.
702
00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:08,924
If you have a problem with any of this,
703
00:38:09,024 --> 00:38:11,745
could you just call me
or text me, please? Thank you.
704
00:38:42,626 --> 00:38:44,886
Mrs Dowler?
705
00:38:44,986 --> 00:38:46,486
- My name is Nick Davies.
- I know.
706
00:38:46,586 --> 00:38:48,246
They said you'd be coming by.
707
00:38:48,346 --> 00:38:50,387
I've just been watching you on YouTube.
708
00:38:51,467 --> 00:38:53,467
- Come on. Come in.
- Thank you.
709
00:39:00,547 --> 00:39:02,547
Thank you.
710
00:39:04,387 --> 00:39:07,347
- So the police are keeping you...
- Up to date with it all, yes.
711
00:39:09,107 --> 00:39:10,287
Operation Weeting,
712
00:39:10,387 --> 00:39:12,588
- good team, it seems.
- They say it was true.
713
00:39:13,988 --> 00:39:15,988
Our daughter was hacked.
714
00:39:17,108 --> 00:39:20,828
- Yes.
- Can you tell us why?
715
00:39:22,988 --> 00:39:24,928
Why? Sorry?
716
00:39:25,028 --> 00:39:28,388
What we don't understand
is why someone would do this.
717
00:39:29,708 --> 00:39:31,909
You're a journalist. Can you explain?
718
00:39:38,429 --> 00:39:40,589
I think they thought
there was a good story in it.
719
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:44,289
A good story?
720
00:39:44,389 --> 00:39:47,329
They wanted to... either to find her,
721
00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:50,329
or to find something printable about her.
722
00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:53,210
So, the phone promised all those things.
723
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:56,390
But we'd only just lost her,
didn't they know it was wrong?
724
00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:01,010
I think they didn't consider that.
725
00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:03,430
Didn't they know it would hurt us?
726
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:10,150
Milly...
727
00:40:11,991 --> 00:40:14,751
At that time, Milly was the most
famous person in the UK,
728
00:40:15,751 --> 00:40:17,791
and everyone wanted to read about her.
729
00:40:20,431 --> 00:40:22,831
And I'm afraid they needed
to sell their newspaper.
730
00:40:24,271 --> 00:40:26,811
And now you're here.
731
00:40:26,911 --> 00:40:29,711
- As someone else selling a newspaper.
- I am.
732
00:40:33,392 --> 00:40:38,072
Yes, but I'm hoping what we are doing...
733
00:40:40,992 --> 00:40:45,012
will help expose a wrong
that was done to your daughter.
734
00:40:45,112 --> 00:40:47,752
However, yes, I, uh,
we are selling newspapers,
735
00:40:48,912 --> 00:40:51,972
and I know that all this
will be bringing her
736
00:40:52,072 --> 00:40:54,013
back into the spotlight again,
737
00:40:54,113 --> 00:40:56,113
- and I know...
- That's painful?
738
00:40:58,073 --> 00:41:00,953
- Just slightly.
- Yeah.
739
00:41:03,753 --> 00:41:05,753
But you should do it all the same.
740
00:41:07,313 --> 00:41:10,553
You have our permission Nick,
if you needed it, that is.
741
00:41:14,074 --> 00:41:16,074
Thank you.
742
00:41:17,314 --> 00:41:18,774
Always can never get used to microphones
743
00:41:18,874 --> 00:41:19,894
being poked everywhere.
744
00:41:19,994 --> 00:41:23,054
I'm used to it. Crimewatch.
745
00:41:23,154 --> 00:41:25,494
Of course. Of course you are.
746
00:41:25,594 --> 00:41:27,594
- More used to it than me.
- No.
747
00:41:33,715 --> 00:41:34,895
Do you want to share
748
00:41:34,995 --> 00:41:37,115
- the byline with Amelia?
- Her source helped confirm it.
749
00:41:38,155 --> 00:41:40,435
Needs something clearer.
750
00:41:41,595 --> 00:41:44,295
- News of the World targeted...
- Illegally targeted.
751
00:41:44,395 --> 00:41:48,175
Good. Illegally targeted
the missing schoolgirl Milly Dowler
752
00:41:48,275 --> 00:41:51,455
- and her family in dates...
- Yup.
753
00:41:51,555 --> 00:41:54,576
...interfering with the
police investigation into...
754
00:41:54,676 --> 00:41:58,216
No, interfering with police inquiries
755
00:41:58,316 --> 00:42:02,416
into her disappearance
and deleted messages.
756
00:42:02,516 --> 00:42:04,796
Then what the family believed,
757
00:42:06,196 --> 00:42:10,056
she's alive, the lie of that.
758
00:42:10,156 --> 00:42:12,056
Do we have a source
and a secondary source?
759
00:42:12,156 --> 00:42:13,296
Yes, we do.
760
00:42:13,396 --> 00:42:17,037
- Have we spoken to Scotland Yard?
- Of course. I even asked for a quote.
761
00:42:18,597 --> 00:42:22,237
This is quite something.
762
00:42:24,237 --> 00:42:28,457
Channel 4 News can tonight reveal
that allegations have been aired
763
00:42:28,557 --> 00:42:30,577
that a Metropolitan Police detective
764
00:42:30,677 --> 00:42:33,858
was put under surveillance
by the News of the World journalist
765
00:42:33,958 --> 00:42:35,978
and his personal details were targeted.
766
00:42:36,078 --> 00:42:39,858
The former Crimewatch presenter
and Detective Jacqui Haimes
767
00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:41,958
has spoken out for the first time.
768
00:42:42,998 --> 00:42:46,178
So, Jacqui, you were approached
by Operation Weeting.
769
00:42:46,278 --> 00:42:48,318
What did they show you?
770
00:42:50,198 --> 00:42:52,818
They showed me various sheets of paper,
771
00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:58,659
which I was told came from
Glenn Mulcaire's diaries and notes
772
00:42:58,759 --> 00:43:01,939
and sat there and read
773
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,959
the extent to which
he had delved into my private life
774
00:43:05,999 --> 00:43:08,619
and it was quite a body blow.
775
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,659
I want to know
who instigated the surveillance
776
00:43:11,759 --> 00:43:14,500
and the research that was done on us.
777
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,300
I would like to know
how they got and who they got
778
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,920
that personal information from about us.
779
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,020
I would like to know
what the purpose of it was from them.
780
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,300
Do you think there was an attempt,
here, to interfere
781
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,200
with your ex-husband's
criminal investigation,
782
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,641
and if so, what,
where's the evidence for that?
783
00:43:37,201 --> 00:43:39,721
It's very difficult when you look
at the um,
784
00:43:40,721 --> 00:43:44,001
the order in which things happened,
the chronology of this,
785
00:43:45,441 --> 00:43:48,781
not to at least want to shine a light
on it, and say, you know,
786
00:43:48,881 --> 00:43:52,061
how is it that the day after
that appeal went out on Crimewatch,
787
00:43:52,161 --> 00:43:54,101
that this started to happen,
788
00:43:54,201 --> 00:43:56,942
and it's very difficult
not to come to that conclusion
789
00:43:57,042 --> 00:43:59,422
that they were in somehow
complicit in all this,
790
00:43:59,522 --> 00:44:01,782
or somebody within the organisation was.
791
00:44:01,882 --> 00:44:03,822
Complicit in what, exactly?
792
00:44:03,922 --> 00:44:08,642
In trying to discredit David, or myself.
793
00:45:25,486 --> 00:45:27,486
Of course, they didn't print it.
794
00:45:31,246 --> 00:45:37,347
And so it finally begins.
795
00:45:37,447 --> 00:45:38,587
More revelations...
796
00:45:38,687 --> 00:45:40,387
The pressure on
the News of the World grows with...
797
00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:43,107
- Another day of dramatic development.
- Shocking story.
798
00:45:43,207 --> 00:45:44,267
It is alleged
799
00:45:44,367 --> 00:45:46,747
- that Glenn Mulcaire...
- Hacked into the mobile phone
800
00:45:46,847 --> 00:45:48,787
of the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler.
801
00:45:48,887 --> 00:45:51,827
Well, this poor girl's dead
and they're trying to get stories.
802
00:45:51,927 --> 00:45:54,307
There is a new allegation
that the tabloid may have hacked
803
00:45:54,407 --> 00:45:57,508
into the phones of the relatives
of soldiers killed in Iraq.
804
00:45:57,608 --> 00:46:00,908
If these actions are proved
to have been verified,
805
00:46:01,008 --> 00:46:03,508
I'm appalled
and find it quite disgusting.
806
00:46:03,608 --> 00:46:05,988
Tonight, Chief Executive
Rebekah Brooks says,
807
00:46:06,088 --> 00:46:08,908
we're told, that she's shocked
and that she knew nothing about it.
808
00:46:09,008 --> 00:46:11,508
Today is the anniversary of 7/7.
809
00:46:11,608 --> 00:46:13,668
Relatives of victims
of the London bombings
810
00:46:13,768 --> 00:46:16,228
may also have had
their phones hacked into.
811
00:46:16,328 --> 00:46:19,149
Somebody was listening to that.
It's a violation, isn't it?
812
00:46:19,249 --> 00:46:21,709
An extraordinary moment
in British journalism.
813
00:46:21,809 --> 00:46:23,749
The News of the World is to close.
814
00:46:23,849 --> 00:46:25,789
What happened,
happened very, very quickly.
815
00:46:25,889 --> 00:46:27,829
It's like a bomb has hit the place.
816
00:46:27,929 --> 00:46:30,109
Those decent people up there
have been thrown out of a job today.
817
00:46:30,209 --> 00:46:32,789
The sense that everyone
gets is that Rupert Murdoch
818
00:46:32,889 --> 00:46:34,669
is getting rid of the News of the World
819
00:46:34,769 --> 00:46:37,709
in order to protect taking over BSkyB.
820
00:46:37,809 --> 00:46:41,630
I'm interested in those who were
responsible being brought to justice.
821
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:44,750
Scotland Yard confirmed today
that it had received documents
822
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:46,430
suggesting a number of its officers
823
00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:49,790
were given inappropriate payments
by News International.
824
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:53,230
Paying police for information
is a criminal offence.
825
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:55,390
It's corrupt, it's bribery.
826
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:57,790
David Cameron's
former head of communications
827
00:46:57,890 --> 00:47:00,511
is arrested over corruption
and phone hacking.
828
00:47:00,611 --> 00:47:03,991
The decision to hire him was mine
and I take full responsibility.
829
00:47:04,091 --> 00:47:06,231
There's an awful lot I'd like to say,
but I can't.
830
00:47:06,331 --> 00:47:08,831
The pressure
is mounting on Rebekah Brooks.
831
00:47:08,931 --> 00:47:12,911
Both her and James Murdoch
should be leaving their desks.
832
00:47:13,011 --> 00:47:14,951
The Prime Minister has announced details
833
00:47:15,051 --> 00:47:17,991
of the independent public inquiry
led by Lord Justice Leveson.
834
00:47:18,091 --> 00:47:20,632
Who will have the power to summon
and question...
835
00:47:20,732 --> 00:47:24,472
Newspaper proprietors, journalists,
police and politicians.
836
00:47:24,572 --> 00:47:26,632
I recognise the vital importance
837
00:47:26,732 --> 00:47:30,112
of reaching a number of conclusions,
and I will strive to do so.
838
00:47:30,212 --> 00:47:33,352
Rebekah Brooks, who finally bowed
to pressure and resigned.
839
00:47:33,452 --> 00:47:36,552
For the past 10 days,
she's been at the heart of the storm.
840
00:47:36,652 --> 00:47:38,833
Now she has decided to step away.
841
00:47:38,933 --> 00:47:41,633
Assistant Commissioner
John Yates has also quit.
842
00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:44,913
It is with great regret
that I make this decision.
843
00:47:45,013 --> 00:47:47,313
The mighty Murdoch empire has suffered
844
00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:49,313
its most humiliating blow yet,
845
00:47:49,413 --> 00:47:53,113
as it suddenly dropped its bid
to take control of BSkyB.
846
00:47:53,213 --> 00:47:56,233
Murdoch has abandoned his bid for BSkyB
847
00:47:56,333 --> 00:47:58,313
But will he face wider consequences
848
00:47:58,413 --> 00:48:00,794
in relation to the phone hacking scandal?
849
00:48:00,894 --> 00:48:03,774
What will come next
in this shocking saga?
850
00:48:11,728 --> 00:48:14,266
And I heard, as it were,
the noise of thunder,
851
00:48:16,346 --> 00:48:18,756
one of the four beasts saying,
852
00:48:19,535 --> 00:48:21,446
come and see.
853
00:48:22,135 --> 00:48:25,815
And I saw, and behold,
854
00:48:26,802 --> 00:48:28,955
a white horse.
855
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:32,063
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