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Previously on The Hack.
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Think who edited the paper.
Think about where he sits now.
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I mean, I know Andy Coulson.
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Him sitting next to the Prime
Minister, that's wrong in every way.
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The police have Mulcaire's notebooks.
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If we can get them into the public
eye we'll see who hired who,
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how high this goes, who's being hacked.
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Just be safe with yourself. Just be safe.
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It's the Daniel Morgan case. We've had
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some witnesses finally come forward.
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You cannot be taking phone calls
from a protected witness.
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From today, you will have no further
contact with Gary Eaton, whatsoever.
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Max, we've got them on the rack.
You settle, the whole thing
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- gets covered up again.
- On the rack with what?
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The Murdochs agreed to pay
Clifford more than a million pounds.
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Our biggest gun was spiked.
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Our liberal
conservative government will take
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Britain in a historic new direction,
a direction of hope and unity,
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conviction and common purpose.
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I'm delighted to be standing here
with the new deputy Prime Minister,
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and I would like now to invite him
to speak to us on what I think
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is a remarkable and very welcome day.
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Thank you, David. We've just
been through an election campaign.
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And now we have a coalition.
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Until today, we were rivals,
and now we're colleagues.
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- Is it unusual?
- I know it'll cost you.
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All that work given
to someone else's byline.
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Finding it a little bit hard
to get my head around.
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Look.
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BBC are playing it on repeat.
I've watched it 15 times
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and it was sickening the first time.
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Andy Coulson now sits
at the right hand side of God.
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There's a direct link
between number 10 and Murdoch,
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I don't like that whisper chain.
We need our...
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- Our own coalition.
- We need allies.
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We have allies. I'm assembling
a huge team of lawyers.
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- People are working together.
- No, we need allies in the press.
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You don't think I've tried?
Nobody will touch it.
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Thank you.
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Well, they won't on Fleet Street,
but I've always
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thought a lot of Glen Campbell.
I think Panorama will bite.
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No, no, no. The BBC won't risk
a battle with Murdoch.
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But then there's Dispatches, maybe.
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Internationally, Bill Keller.
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You can't think the New York Times
would want to be involved.
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Murdoch's hole on the Wall Street Journal
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is galling to Bill, I think he could.
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I've got resources, of course, but...
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Alan, they won't share back.
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TV hacks might, but the New York Times.
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This will always be your story, Nick.
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No, it's bigger than that. Me.
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I can't make friends at school.
Why not a pen pal?
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I get it. Yeah.
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Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea.
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It's a necessary idea.
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Good.
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So Nick Davies and the Guardian
are losing the exclusive,
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but winning the war.
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- Steve.
- Yeah.
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I'm aware
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that it has taken a few years
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to get to this point,
and many of us are eager
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to draw these pre-trial hearings
to a close.
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But I'm afraid, a new matter has arisen
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that requires our attention.
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Last night, an application was made
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by the counsel for the defendants,
as regards a possible irregularity
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in the conduct of this investigation,
in relation
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to the prosecution witness,
Mr Gary Eaton.
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In order to resolve this, it is my view
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that we must spend some time
hearing evidence directly,
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from DCS David Cook,
and the officers in his team,
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which will begin on Monday.
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These rules are ridiculous.
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- They are tight on this.
- No conferring me colleagues?
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I mean, I work with these officers
day in, day out.
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They don't want you to prepare.
It's known as an ambush defence,
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And they want me to tell them
everything about Gary Eaton?
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While the suspects
are sitting right there.
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If the judge does decide
to lose Gary Eaton's evidence,
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it would be a a significant setback.
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Oh, losing Gary Eaton
would be a fucking disaster.
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So we do what the judge tells us to.
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All you have to do
is answer the questions.
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Dave will be fine.
He's good in the spotlight.
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And while you sit in
the spotlight, boy scout behaviour.
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Day in, day out, agreed? The defence
could put you under surveillance.
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They could track your car, your phone,
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They'd love nothing more
than to catch you out.
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These men have been under arrest
for over a year.
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This is a fucking farce.
Nothing to do with truth,
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nothing to do with justice.
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We do the best we can
within the system we've got.
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What do you call three Pulitzer
Prize winners sitting in a row?
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A murder? An ambush? An armada?
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Do you really call them, "help"?
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This is, er, quite something.
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- It's remarkable journalism, Nick.
- Thank you.
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Any chance they're doing it
in America, too?
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A few suspected names.
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Nothing firm. It's all in there.
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You have no one on record
from News of the World?
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- No.
- But plenty off the record.
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Am I right?
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She's trying to get you to reveal
who your Mr Apollo is.
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Oh, I see, you think he's a News
International insider. Interesting.
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Em. But no, not sharing.
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And frankly, even if I wanted to,
he's disappeared.
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Do you have an angle? The...
You... Paper...
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Well, Bill's instincts
were, er, Royal Family,
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- Murdochs, press intrusion.
- In that order?
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We'll find our way.
It's important no one can say that
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we colluded with you or were baby fed
just to stand your story up.
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You're not here to stand my story up.
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- I wasn't saying that.
- We further each other's stories.
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Anything new we get, we know
you're the keeper of the flame.
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We'll bring you in.
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I might say likewise,
but I've given you all I have.
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I don't know when this started either.
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Em, you might get a call
from the New York Times
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- in the next few days.
- New York Times, fancy.
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They're getting involved.
We're giving them what we have.
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Two newspapers are better than one.
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You know, Nick, when I look at the
kids who come around for playdates,
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I instinctively know
who are good at sharing,
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- and who aren't and you...
- Alan thinks it's a good idea.
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- I think it's a good idea.
- Oh, you weren't very good
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- at sharing at all, were you?
- I'm not done.
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They'll do their thing.
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It actually makes it easier to pursue.
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And I was actually quite good
at football as a kid, so...
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That's what I would have done
at your playdate.
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I'd have found a ball and kicked it.
I didn't care about toys.
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Anyway, I have an idea.
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So Harry Evans wrote in his memoir
about a plane crash.
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I don't know Harry Evans.
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Editor of the Sunday Times, from
1967 to '81. Newspaper legend.
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Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch?
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- Oh, they didn't get on.
- Murdoch fired him?
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Eventually, actually, first he
promoted him, gave him editorship.
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- So that's not...
- And he's the hero in this story?
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- I haven't told the story.
- But your eyes imply he's the hero.
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The DC-10, in Paris, passenger jet.
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There was clearly a problem
with the manufacture of the plane
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- but Harry couldn't print.
- Without evidence.
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Exactly. So Harry got his reporters
to intervene.
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Linked the bereaved families
with highly effective lawyers
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in the US,
because US courts were more likely
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to order McDonnell Douglas
to disclose internal paperwork.
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- My plan is to do the same.
- Haven't we already tried that
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- with Max Clifford?
- No. No. Then you
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involve me in your case. Very kindly.
Now I'm going to recruit for you.
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So they bribed Max.
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They won't be able
to stop an army of people.
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If I can get a list of the hacked and
encourage them to come forward,
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we can flood the courts.
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- I can't see you as a footballer.
- Fuck off.
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Look, Andy Coulson created
a culture at the News of the World.
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To prove he did so we need to get
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as many of his top journalists
implicated as possible.
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Mulcaire's notes had Clive Goodman's
name written
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at the top. Court record.
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So we can find the other editors
who commissioned him.
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Come on, it's time to get nuclear,
don't you think?
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The inevitable dig followed.
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I had to identify with the help
of my furry friend,
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every celebrity, politician,
and sports star they'd gone after.
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High ranking, the low ranking,
the illustrious, the audacious.
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And then I had to persuade
those people to fight.
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Like MP Tessa Jowell.
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Yes, I have been spoken to by the police.
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All the dirt they had
on your ex-husband came from hacking.
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And ruined my marriage, I am aware.
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I'd like to publish an article
about your experiences,
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and I'd like you to consider
pursuing it further in court.
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- I have good lawyer recommendations.
- But that would mean stirring it up.
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We've struggled enough.
Please, leave it alone.
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I had proof that Charles Clarke
had been hacked.
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I told a friend who knew him to tell him.
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- My friend said...
- He's not willing to engage.
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With Charlotte's help, I identified
a dozen law firms who specialised
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in representing celebrities.
I contacted all of them.
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I wish I could tell you their names.
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- I'm getting nothing.
- Nothing?
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They're busy. They're worried about
reviving an embarrassing story.
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They can't afford it. But mostly...
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Mostly, they're frightened.
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I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman.
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- Hello, Charlotte.
- Nice to meet you.
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A charming lawyer. How nice.
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Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly.
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Have you met John Kelly?
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No. She wasn't warned by the police.
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And no, she won't be meeting with you
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or any other journalist.
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Mr Kelly, this is worth pursuing.
For Nicole, for all your clients.
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It's still a no, I'm afraid.
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- A hard no.
- Her trustees say no.
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Mark Thompson came about
because two of his clients,
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one of whom was Big Brother's
Jade Goody, had been hacked.
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Jade had died of cancer.
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- They're not interested in pursuing.
- Perhaps I could talk to them.
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Becuase you're more persuasive
than me? I get it. You're desperate.
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There is another... someone
I can't give you her name.
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- We called her "AZP".
- She's very angry.
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They've ruined her life.
She's leaning into all this.
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- I'd love to...
- Yeah, of course you fucking would.
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If she's brave enough to talk more,
then you'll hear more. Until then...
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- They're just all so scared.
- They are profoundly scared.
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Mr Cook, do you accept
that a number of rules
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were broken with regard to Gary Eaton?
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- I do.
- And the issue for the judge
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to decide on is the spirit in which
these rules were broken.
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Were they broken in bad faith,
or was it done transparently
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and in the interests of justice?
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Those are the two sides
that we are litigating at the moment,
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- you understand that?
- Yes, I do.
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Let us begin with your
initial meeting with Mr Eaton.
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It's been suggested that you led
the witness during this conversation.
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I think it's important for me to say
that I never wanted to meet
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with Mr Eaton in the first place.
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He insisted he would only speak
with me, so I went along.
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And the job is to find out
if he was valid.
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And to do that, you have to ask
some probing questions.
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"Give me the name of the brothers."
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That's hardly a probing question,
is it, Mr Cook?
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He wasn't interested in any brothers
at all, was he?
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You gave him the brothers.
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I gave him the brothers. I did not
give him the name of the brothers.
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You were aware at that first meeting
of how important it was to
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preserve the integrity of the process?
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And that's what I thought
we were doing, it was all recorded.
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And we all have the transcripts
here before us.
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But that wasn't my question.
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It was a simple question.
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Let's try another.
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Do you accept that by having direct
phone conversations with a witness,
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you were breaching
the sterile corridor system?
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Yes, I do. But I would say
that this was a particularly
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- difficult set of circumstances.
- Wasn't difficult at all.
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All you had to do was say
to this man, "I'm sorry,
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"the rules are, I'm not allowed
to have direct contact with you.
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"You have your own witness
protection handler.
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"They can sort out
any problems you may have,
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"but from now on, you must not ring me,
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"and if you do, my phone will bar you."
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And that is what I did
on several occasions.
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Did you ever bar Gary Eaton
from calling your phone?
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It's not always possible
on every type of phone.
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Are you saying that it's not possible
from a Metropolitan Police phone?
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It's... It's a terribly, simple question.
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He changed his number.
I didn't know his number.
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I'd like to turn now to the issue
of your note taking.
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My Lord, between August the 23rd...
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...and the 16th of September 2006,
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not one of Mr Cook's numerous
telephone calls to Eaton
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appears on the schedule.
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Mr Cook, do you mind telling us
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how it is that between the 23rd
of August and the 16th September,
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you managed to make so many calls
without recording any of them?
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From memory, the vast majority,
if not all,
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were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare,
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his domestic, stuff like that,
nuisance stuff.
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But you accept, do you not,
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that the court has no way of knowing
what was said during these calls?
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I accept that. And my Lord,
do you mind if I sit down?
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- I suffer from vertigo.
- Please.
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Let us look at tab number nine.
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We can see top line...
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...that the debrief begins
on the 1st of August.
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We can see that it's
followed the next day
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by a call which is 15 minutes long.
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That one is logged.
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Then, on the 28th of August,
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there's a nine-minute call,
which is not logged.
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Then, on the 1st of September,
Eaton suddenly changes his story.
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He says for the first time that he was
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- at the scene of the murder.
- Well, what are you suggesting?
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I'm suggesting that that may not be
a coincidence, Mr Cook.
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I suppose you're going to deny it
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and say that it is just
a coincidence. You're going
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to deny that during these,
unlogged calls,
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- you were feeding Mr Eaton his story?
- And why would I do that?
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This case has been causing
the Metropolitan Police
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untold embarrassment
for over two decades.
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You were desperate to nail someone.
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Of course, if you think you have somebody
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who may be an eyewitness,
you embrace them with both arms.
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But you allowed this dishonest,
mentally ill man
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to run riot over your investigation.
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Not only that, but you manipulated him
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because he was easily manipulable.
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And because he was your one way
of bringing this case back to life
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and ending your career with a real coup.
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Isn't that what has gone on here,
Mr Cook?
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You could not be further
from the truth, sir.
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If you haven't changed your ways.
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No chance. Thanks.
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Can you still win?
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Now that we've lost Gary Eaton,
the entire case...
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rests on two witnesses. Lindsey Wright,
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Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend,
who is basically a fucking nightmare,
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and James Ward, our original
supergrass, who's erratic at best.
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Nine days they kept me on that stand.
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On day one, I really thought I could win.
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- Hoped.
- Yeah, I remember hope.
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I'm sorry they did that to you.
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- You didn't deserve it.
- Ah, maybe I did.
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So, what about you? Can you, erm, win?
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Journalism isn't about winning or losing.
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It's about the gradual erosion
of self-worth.
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Alan's given the story to Panorama
and the New York Times,
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and he's probably right
because I can't get anyone
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to go to court, which means we can't...
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I... I thought I had a way
to get to Mulcaire's notes,
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I thought I was finally
getting somewhere,
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but like everything I tried.
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What about Jonathan Rees?
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Surely he's just as bad as Mulcaire.
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He's on trial, if you haven't noticed.
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We raided his house a few years ago.
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We found invoices on his desk.
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Rees to Alex Marunchak
and the News of the World.
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Rees went to prison for conspiring
to pervert the course of justice,
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came out and went right back
into the employ of News of the World,
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while Andy Coulson was the editor.
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Under Coulson, News of the World
employed a convicted criminal?
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Now, this fell into your lap, okay?
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You can't quote me.
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You can't name Rees.
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But you can use this to nail them.
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This could get you in serious trouble.
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I'm already in serious trouble.
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So you're calling Jonathan Rees, "Mr A"?
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I think it's my best pseudonym yet.
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I can't name him
till after the Morgan trial.
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It's very tenuous, legally,
even to hide him under a pseudonym.
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His lawyers can claim contempt of court.
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Coulson being in government
is a contempt.
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- It's a good story. Does it stand up?
- My source is solid.
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Jonathan Rees was imprisoned
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for conspiring to pervert
the course of justice.
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And the News of the World rehired him.
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After he was released from prison
while Coulson was editor.
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- Feels a good one.
- We'll need to give Coulson
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- right of reply.
- Ugh!
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This is the most archaic practice,
giving people quotes,
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in articles against them. It's just free
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- advertising space for their lies.
- I think it's necessary.
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If we publish his right of reply,
we'll be misleading our readers.
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Whatever the fight, I think it's
better to stick to established
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- journalist practice, don't you?
- What do you know about journalism?
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- You're a lawyer.
- Nick. Could you maybe talk to her
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- with a bit more respect?
- Oh, fuck off, with respect.
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00:20:09,455 --> 00:20:12,316
- Nick.
- Sorry. Sorry, Rufus. Sorry, Gill.
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I know how vital you are to all this.
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Just... busy time, busy head.
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I'll alert some people.
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- Go backstairs.
- I know this will spread.
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The other newspapers,
they can't ignore this.
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- It has to.
- Gill?
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If he gets the quote from Coulson,
I think we can argue public interest.
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- I agree.
- Thank you. This is good.
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00:20:39,496 --> 00:20:43,076
Whoever your source is, this is good.
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Would it surprise you to know
it didn't spread?
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All the other newspapers
ignored the Mr A story.
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You'll get them next time.
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The trouble with next time...
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- The trouble with...
- You'll get them next time.
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- I don't have a next time.
- You stupid child.
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Nicholas! Nicholas,
don't be dramatic, Nicholas.
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Let's get a washcloth
for that blood, shall we?
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I don't have a next time.
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Er, Nick Davies.
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Nick. It's Jo Becker, New York Times.
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Oh, Yeah... I...
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- Is now not a good time?
- No, it's fine.
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- How can I help?
- We're going to publish.
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00:22:04,299 --> 00:22:08,079
- Great. What?
- Sean Hoare is going on the record.
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- He's a genuine insider.
- Oh, more than that,
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00:22:10,739 --> 00:22:14,119
he's Coulson's friend. They worked
the celebrity Bizarre column
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that Coulson made his name on.
What did he say?
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Well, he talked about Coulson a lot.
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I had a good relationship with him
as it goes.
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00:22:22,019 --> 00:22:23,959
Yeah, I could do the fuck I wanted
387
00:22:24,059 --> 00:22:26,259
as long as I came in with a good story.
388
00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:31,040
The brief was...
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00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:34,397
"I don't give a fuck."
390
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,400
The News of the World meetings
sound more fun than Guardian ones.
391
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,520
You're not wrong. But I asked him...
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Did he know what's going on? Coulson?
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00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:46,000
The New York Times,
over here on this, are they?
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00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,400
- Yes.
- Oh... Why?
395
00:22:49,686 --> 00:22:52,746
We want to investigate whether
an ethical line has been crossed.
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00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,880
Fuck me, you sound like the Guardian.
397
00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:57,280
You don't think the Guardian are valid?
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I think the Guardian
are being beautiful beings,
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gazing down from their mighty
high horses, the pious fucks.
400
00:23:03,741 --> 00:23:06,181
You know? But the thing about you,
you see, is that you...
401
00:23:07,981 --> 00:23:11,441
You're foreign, so I like you.
402
00:23:16,861 --> 00:23:18,620
I, personally...
403
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,601
played voicemail recordings
to the bastard,
404
00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:24,281
when we worked together
at the Sun and the Screws.
405
00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:27,341
You played recordings to Coulson?
406
00:23:28,187 --> 00:23:31,587
Sean, is that on the record?
407
00:23:45,822 --> 00:23:48,522
- I want a New York Mets top.
- I'm sorry?
408
00:23:48,942 --> 00:23:52,542
I want a New York Mets top,
and then it's on the record.
409
00:23:53,862 --> 00:23:57,562
- Okay.
- Yeah?
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00:23:57,841 --> 00:24:00,460
- Sure.
- Great.
411
00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:05,082
So what do you say we go completely crazy
412
00:24:05,182 --> 00:24:08,940
- and have another orange juice?
- Thank you.
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00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,700
This is very good.
414
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,640
I don't think they made clear
the link with Coulson.
415
00:24:30,686 --> 00:24:32,220
It's good journalism, but it's...
416
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,340
I love an intimate party, Nick,
but it is nice, don't you think,
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00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,100
to have at least some other people
who want to be there.
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00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:41,400
This is the New York Times.
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00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,920
It's going to be a lot harder
to fight us both.
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00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:46,180
This matters.
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00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:49,660
Yeah.
422
00:24:50,221 --> 00:24:52,801
It was an extremely good piece. It...
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00:24:52,901 --> 00:24:54,460
The way it...
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00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:57,140
It was extremely good.
And what happened next,
425
00:24:57,381 --> 00:25:00,401
Alan was right, it made everybody braver.
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00:25:00,501 --> 00:25:02,441
Celebrities began to look up.
427
00:25:02,541 --> 00:25:05,081
For instance, Charlotte Harris
began to get somewhere with a client.
428
00:25:05,181 --> 00:25:08,521
- Football agent, Sky Andrew.
- They offered him ยฃ200,000
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00:25:08,621 --> 00:25:11,241
a year and ยฃ1.2 million
in free advertising
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00:25:11,341 --> 00:25:13,521
- for a charity if he'd drop his case.
- And?
431
00:25:13,621 --> 00:25:16,481
- He said no.
- People were willing to fight.
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Most unusual people.
433
00:25:18,621 --> 00:25:22,201
- Hi, Nick Davies.
- Max Mosley, I'm a fan of your work.
434
00:25:22,301 --> 00:25:25,682
And then, Max Mosley
did something extraordinary.
435
00:25:25,782 --> 00:25:28,562
To be clear, we didn't meet at the
Guardian, but this setting will do.
436
00:25:28,662 --> 00:25:30,962
I'd like to back, financially,
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00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:34,202
anyone wishing to bring a case
against the News of the World,
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00:25:34,302 --> 00:25:37,042
indemnify them against costs and damages.
439
00:25:37,142 --> 00:25:39,222
Max, that could be millions.
440
00:25:40,422 --> 00:25:42,362
I'm guessing you saw it.
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00:25:42,462 --> 00:25:46,082
Nazi sex orgy, photos of me.
442
00:25:46,182 --> 00:25:48,282
It was not Nazi.
443
00:25:48,382 --> 00:25:50,582
It was consenting, but they didn't care.
444
00:25:52,222 --> 00:25:54,282
I sued, I got a small reward.
445
00:25:54,382 --> 00:25:56,322
I survived.
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00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:59,463
My son didn't.
447
00:26:01,223 --> 00:26:04,463
A heroin overdose, one year
after the story was published.
448
00:26:06,223 --> 00:26:08,523
I'm sorry.
449
00:26:08,623 --> 00:26:10,683
They can attack us.
450
00:26:10,783 --> 00:26:12,903
But when our children are damaged...
451
00:26:14,543 --> 00:26:18,283
But are you sure that this is what
you want to spend your fortune on?
452
00:26:18,383 --> 00:26:22,603
You underestimate my fortune, Mr Davies.
453
00:26:22,703 --> 00:26:24,943
And my anger.
454
00:26:26,303 --> 00:26:29,483
The world started to unfurl before us,
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the strategy started to work.
456
00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:34,084
Allies were...
457
00:26:34,184 --> 00:26:38,084
Well, not exactly everywhere
but gathering. And then...
458
00:26:38,184 --> 00:26:41,164
The game changed,
Mark Thompson got in touch.
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00:26:41,264 --> 00:26:43,324
His client, AZP, you remember AZP?
460
00:26:43,424 --> 00:26:46,244
Well, apparently she loved
the New York Times piece
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00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:48,564
and the Mr A story.
And she wanted to meet.
462
00:26:48,664 --> 00:26:51,684
Oh, and, AZP. She is...
463
00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:54,164
Sienna Miller, meet Nick Davies.
464
00:26:54,264 --> 00:26:59,004
- Pleasure to meet you.
- Yes. Actor, tabloid magnate.
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00:26:59,104 --> 00:27:02,564
- Our ace card.
- He knows it's coming.
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00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:06,145
Everyone's been whispering to her
to stop. All of Hollywood.
467
00:27:07,305 --> 00:27:09,525
Some roles are being withdrawn.
468
00:27:09,625 --> 00:27:12,505
Others are being promised
if she just lets it go.
469
00:27:13,505 --> 00:27:17,085
- But you've decided to keep fighting.
- They've also said,
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00:27:17,185 --> 00:27:20,525
they've told me that there
is more muck on me they'd use.
471
00:27:20,625 --> 00:27:22,645
Which is, I mean,
472
00:27:22,745 --> 00:27:25,885
probably true, but I mean,
how can they print anything worse?
473
00:27:25,985 --> 00:27:27,985
All the papers are after her.
474
00:27:29,185 --> 00:27:32,145
Can I ask... Sienna, can I ask
what happened?
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00:27:34,385 --> 00:27:37,285
I... I can't go into the... The details.
476
00:27:37,385 --> 00:27:39,686
And I really don't want to pry,
but what...
477
00:27:39,786 --> 00:27:42,166
What were they digging for?
478
00:27:42,266 --> 00:27:44,266
Erm...
479
00:27:47,426 --> 00:27:52,326
Seemingly, erm, what, anything
about me is, er, interesting.
480
00:27:52,426 --> 00:27:57,786
The restaurants I go to,
what I wear, people I meet.
481
00:27:59,186 --> 00:28:05,906
But it seems their attention
was particularly grabbed by, I...
482
00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:10,446
I got, er...
483
00:28:10,546 --> 00:28:14,667
I got pregnant and erm...
I had a decision.
484
00:28:15,747 --> 00:28:17,847
To make. You understand?
485
00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:20,267
- Mmm.
- And...
486
00:28:21,587 --> 00:28:24,867
Well, at that time, when you're...
When you're dealing with that,
487
00:28:25,907 --> 00:28:29,647
you need people that you can trust,
and I didn't, I didn't trust anyone.
488
00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:32,687
I thought that they were
all selling stories about me
489
00:28:32,787 --> 00:28:35,147
because they knew everything.
490
00:28:36,747 --> 00:28:39,687
And I couldn't work out why.
I couldn't work out why
491
00:28:39,787 --> 00:28:43,207
anything I told my friends or family
492
00:28:43,307 --> 00:28:47,448
was being leaked. I thought, I mean, I...
493
00:28:47,548 --> 00:28:49,908
I started to, erm...
494
00:28:50,948 --> 00:28:54,608
Yeah. Mmm.
495
00:28:54,708 --> 00:28:56,708
I, er...
496
00:28:59,828 --> 00:29:02,608
The number of people that I trusted
grew smaller and smaller
497
00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,008
until there was almost no one at all.
498
00:29:06,108 --> 00:29:09,568
I didn't know which way was up.
Not anymore. I drank too much,
499
00:29:09,668 --> 00:29:14,208
did all the wrong things,
damaged my career, damaged myself.
500
00:29:14,308 --> 00:29:16,248
And they feasted on it.
501
00:29:16,348 --> 00:29:18,328
Was this Mulcaire?
502
00:29:18,428 --> 00:29:21,409
We don't know.
We don't know who was doing what.
503
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,449
All we know is the results of it.
504
00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:26,309
The thing that I was most, erm...
505
00:29:28,469 --> 00:29:30,469
sorry about was that I, erm...
506
00:29:33,069 --> 00:29:35,069
I damaged my family.
507
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:39,269
Once it was all, erm...
508
00:29:45,749 --> 00:29:47,909
I only, basically, told my mum.
509
00:29:52,189 --> 00:29:54,630
And they still found out.
510
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:58,110
And they published,
and I thought it was her.
511
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:03,310
And the things I said to her, you know.
512
00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:08,510
Must have been horrible.
513
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:12,290
But I'm a celebrity.
514
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:14,370
"I chose all this. It's not their fault.
515
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:16,550
"It's in the public interest." Hmm?
516
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,790
- We're taking this all the way.
- Good.
517
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:24,910
- Mmm-hmm.
- Thank you.
518
00:30:28,311 --> 00:30:30,251
We're gonna have to disclose this.
519
00:30:30,351 --> 00:30:32,291
I'm afraid there's no choice.
520
00:30:32,391 --> 00:30:34,451
But I ain't done nothing.
521
00:30:34,551 --> 00:30:36,971
Lindsey, your entire
search history's here.
522
00:30:37,071 --> 00:30:39,971
We can see what you searched
and when you searched it.
523
00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:43,811
But... I'm allowed to be curious,
ain't I?
524
00:30:43,911 --> 00:30:45,911
- Not against the law to be curious.
- Look.
525
00:30:47,031 --> 00:30:51,751
You're accusing Jimmy Cook
of over 30 separate murders.
526
00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:56,131
And each time you change a statement
and say you remember a new murder,
527
00:30:56,231 --> 00:30:58,451
it comes off the back
of an Internet search
528
00:30:58,551 --> 00:31:00,852
on how to commit that
particular type of murder.
529
00:31:00,952 --> 00:31:03,452
Disclosing this means
that we can no longer
530
00:31:03,552 --> 00:31:05,912
put you forward as a witness of truth.
531
00:31:07,592 --> 00:31:10,772
And I'm afraid, Lindsey...
I'm afraid we lost
532
00:31:10,872 --> 00:31:13,872
the only other witness
who had evidence on Jimmy.
533
00:31:14,872 --> 00:31:16,872
So, your statement,
534
00:31:17,952 --> 00:31:19,892
that was all the prosecution
had to go on.
535
00:31:19,992 --> 00:31:22,852
James Frederick William Cook.
536
00:31:22,952 --> 00:31:24,952
- No.
- Stand, please.
537
00:31:27,032 --> 00:31:31,892
I direct a verdict of not guilty
in respect of count one,
538
00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:34,072
and you are now free to go.
539
00:31:38,393 --> 00:31:41,853
No, no, no, no, no, no. What if he...
540
00:31:41,953 --> 00:31:45,373
Oh, shit! I'm now number one target.
You know that?
541
00:31:45,473 --> 00:31:47,473
How could you let this happen?
542
00:31:49,113 --> 00:31:51,113
How could you let this happen?!
543
00:32:04,153 --> 00:32:07,393
- You take sugar?
- Er, just half.
544
00:32:08,514 --> 00:32:11,314
And a splash of milk. Thanks.
545
00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:19,034
- Erm, how long you been here then?
- Moved in a while ago.
546
00:32:20,074 --> 00:32:23,974
I know, I just haven't the time to...
547
00:32:24,074 --> 00:32:27,394
- There's a sofa coming.
- Thanks.
548
00:32:28,594 --> 00:32:31,354
Yeah. I was actually
pretty shocked when I heard.
549
00:32:32,514 --> 00:32:35,034
You and Jacqui always seemed... solid.
550
00:32:36,714 --> 00:32:38,714
Ah...
551
00:32:39,754 --> 00:32:41,695
Heard you and Vicky got married,
that's great.
552
00:32:41,795 --> 00:32:44,695
We invited you to the wedding,
but you never RSVP'd.
553
00:32:44,795 --> 00:32:46,795
Did you?
554
00:32:48,235 --> 00:32:50,475
I'm so... I'm so sorry. It's just that...
555
00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:55,015
I've been... I've been busy, frantic.
Work, life.
556
00:32:55,115 --> 00:32:57,055
I know.
557
00:32:57,155 --> 00:32:59,255
It's what you get for having friends
who are coppers.
558
00:32:59,355 --> 00:33:01,535
They disappear on you for years on end.
559
00:33:01,635 --> 00:33:03,635
So we're still pals?
560
00:33:07,595 --> 00:33:10,695
But that's not why you're here.
You want something.
561
00:33:10,795 --> 00:33:13,015
Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian
have been in touch with us
562
00:33:13,115 --> 00:33:15,416
at Panorama. It's the hacking stuff.
563
00:33:15,516 --> 00:33:17,576
But there's also this story
on Jonathan Rees
564
00:33:17,676 --> 00:33:21,216
that they've been pushing. I know
you've been on Daniel Morgan, so...
565
00:33:21,316 --> 00:33:23,356
Rees is your bag, right?
566
00:33:25,916 --> 00:33:28,496
Oh, I'm sorry.
We can talk about other things.
567
00:33:28,596 --> 00:33:31,176
I'll take my BBC hat off.
568
00:33:31,276 --> 00:33:33,276
Genuinely, wanted to see you.
569
00:33:35,876 --> 00:33:38,196
How are you, you know,
570
00:33:39,876 --> 00:33:41,380
coping?
571
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:45,300
Well, it's strange.
572
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,740
House without kids, pretty quiet.
573
00:33:52,157 --> 00:33:55,037
Think I need to get better
at filling in the time.
574
00:33:59,477 --> 00:34:01,417
We should be aiming for
575
00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:04,377
- a coalition of lawyers.
- Coalition? Are we in government now?
576
00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:06,457
I have other friendly lawyers
with very high profile clients.
577
00:34:06,557 --> 00:34:08,817
- I do actually know who you're...
- With the Sky Andrew case
578
00:34:08,917 --> 00:34:10,977
still progressing under your watch,
he's still not accepting their terms.
579
00:34:11,077 --> 00:34:13,017
- No.
- Max Mosley has promised
580
00:34:13,117 --> 00:34:15,217
to financially back any client
who comes forward.
581
00:34:15,317 --> 00:34:17,257
Surely we can encourage them all
to come forward.
582
00:34:17,357 --> 00:34:19,357
Nick, breathe. Okay?
583
00:34:20,357 --> 00:34:24,138
You are constantly swaying
between utter despair,
584
00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:26,458
and this. It's exhausting.
585
00:34:26,558 --> 00:34:28,538
The law takes time.
586
00:34:28,638 --> 00:34:31,538
We are building something.
Let it fucking build.
587
00:34:31,638 --> 00:34:33,738
Stop worrying about the New York
Times getting there before you.
588
00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:36,458
- This is your case.
- Not worried about them.
589
00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:38,498
I don't have Sienna Miller as a client.
590
00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:40,578
You don't have Sean Hoare in your pocket.
591
00:34:40,678 --> 00:34:43,998
But we are all working together. Stop
doing that thing with your hands.
592
00:34:45,358 --> 00:34:48,018
I have another one for you,
a former politician.
593
00:34:48,118 --> 00:34:51,218
Apparently, he's had sight
of Mulcaire's notebook.
594
00:34:51,318 --> 00:34:53,758
Now, I've been reluctant
to share him because...
595
00:34:54,798 --> 00:34:58,679
Well, I think he's tricky.
But you want everyone, so.
596
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,739
What I'm interested in
is in Mulcaire's notebooks.
597
00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:05,419
I have no interest in what it shows
but there'll be a name
598
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,219
at the top corner of the notes,
someone at News of the World.
599
00:35:09,319 --> 00:35:11,539
Have you read
600
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,259
what the Guardian has written
about me, about this case.
601
00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:17,979
Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case
which became a perjury case.
602
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:21,539
Process of disclosure on which
allowed him access to Mulcaire
603
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,300
and to his paperwork.
604
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:27,440
And he's right. The Guardian
haven't been kind about him.
605
00:35:27,553 --> 00:35:30,374
What I'm looking to do is to build
a case against
606
00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,561
Andy Coulson and the culture
at the News of the World,
607
00:35:32,661 --> 00:35:35,361
- that the hacking was endemic.
- Yes, there's a name.
608
00:35:35,461 --> 00:35:38,881
No, you can't see it.
And you certainly can't print it.
609
00:35:38,981 --> 00:35:41,021
I don't trust journalists, Nick.
610
00:35:42,101 --> 00:35:45,121
- Not anymore.
- Okay, the name is important because
611
00:35:45,221 --> 00:35:48,281
it undermines
the one rogue reporter argument,
612
00:35:48,381 --> 00:35:50,881
which Coulson keeps hiding behind.
The more
613
00:35:50,981 --> 00:35:53,241
editors and senior journalists
we can implicate,
614
00:35:53,341 --> 00:35:55,341
the more we show them lying.
615
00:36:02,461 --> 00:36:06,780
- Greg Miskiw.
- Greg Miskiw. Are you sure?
616
00:36:07,942 --> 00:36:10,122
I didn't tell you
and you're not printing.
617
00:36:10,222 --> 00:36:13,162
Greg Miskiw was news editor
and later assistant editor.
618
00:36:13,262 --> 00:36:15,802
He's retired now,
but he reported directly to Coulson.
619
00:36:15,902 --> 00:36:18,482
- I know who Greg Miskiw is, Nick.
- Do you know how significant this is?
620
00:36:18,582 --> 00:36:21,582
- This could blow the lid off.
- This has to be off the record.
621
00:36:29,142 --> 00:36:31,922
Do I understand that you're
representing yourself in court?
622
00:36:32,022 --> 00:36:33,962
- Yes.
- What if I was to help you?
623
00:36:34,062 --> 00:36:36,402
Go on.
624
00:36:36,502 --> 00:36:39,563
There's very little I know a lot
about, but this issue is one of them.
625
00:36:39,663 --> 00:36:43,043
I can feed you questions, help with
your research, all for nothing.
626
00:36:43,143 --> 00:36:45,083
- For the name in the notebook?
- That name is dynamite.
627
00:36:45,189 --> 00:36:47,169
Greg Miskiw is dynamite.
628
00:36:47,263 --> 00:36:49,923
And you can print it
because it's been stated in court.
629
00:36:50,023 --> 00:36:52,263
And I have an idea
who you should call as a witness.
630
00:36:53,555 --> 00:36:55,495
Go on.
631
00:36:55,583 --> 00:36:57,823
Andy Coulson.
632
00:36:59,183 --> 00:37:01,183
You're a traitor.
633
00:37:02,223 --> 00:37:04,803
Start by asking him about Greg Miskiw.
634
00:37:04,903 --> 00:37:06,980
He'll deny any knowledge.
635
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:10,123
Mr Coulson, these are the written notes
636
00:37:10,229 --> 00:37:13,730
of the former News of the World
employee, Glenn Mulcaire.
637
00:37:13,824 --> 00:37:16,364
Contractor. Not employee.
638
00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:18,684
Mr Coulson, do you recognise the name
639
00:37:18,784 --> 00:37:21,284
at the top left-hand corner of the page?
640
00:37:21,384 --> 00:37:24,084
- It says, "Greg."
- This is the big one.
641
00:37:24,184 --> 00:37:26,404
Do you think that name refers to
642
00:37:26,504 --> 00:37:29,244
the former assistant editor, Greg Miskiw?
643
00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:31,890
No. Not to my knowledge. No.
644
00:37:31,984 --> 00:37:35,404
Do you have any knowledge of
Greg Miskiw ordering Glenn Mulcaire,
645
00:37:35,504 --> 00:37:37,644
to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone?
646
00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:40,030
Are you telling me
that you never ordered,
647
00:37:40,104 --> 00:37:44,444
or were unaware of Greg Miskiw
ordering Mr Mulcaire to tap my phone?
648
00:37:44,544 --> 00:37:47,525
No, I had absolutely
no knowledge of it, and I...
649
00:37:47,625 --> 00:37:51,125
I... I certainly didn't instruct
anyone to do anything of the type.
650
00:37:51,225 --> 00:37:55,765
Interesting, because Sean Hoare
in the New York Times...
651
00:37:55,865 --> 00:37:58,845
...stated that he played you
hacked voice mails.
652
00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:01,205
I remain confident there is no evidence
653
00:38:01,305 --> 00:38:03,525
to support Mr Hoare's accusations.
That's my position.
654
00:38:03,631 --> 00:38:05,571
Do you have any comment on why Mr Hoare
655
00:38:05,665 --> 00:38:08,205
- would have made those accusations?
- You should ask Mr Hoare.
656
00:38:08,305 --> 00:38:10,525
How bad was the culture
at your newspaper?
657
00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:12,765
I don't accept there was any culture
658
00:38:12,865 --> 00:38:14,885
of phone hacking at the
News of The World.
659
00:38:14,985 --> 00:38:19,045
There was one unfortunate case
involving Clive Goodman,
660
00:38:19,145 --> 00:38:22,886
and no one was more sorry
about it than me.
661
00:38:22,986 --> 00:38:25,886
And that's why I resigned.
662
00:38:25,986 --> 00:38:27,926
Tommy Sheridan?
663
00:38:28,026 --> 00:38:30,566
We got Miskiw's name out there.
664
00:38:30,666 --> 00:38:33,306
It wasn't enough,
but we're rattling Coulson's cage.
665
00:38:34,386 --> 00:38:36,926
Well, let's see if this
sends him over the edge.
666
00:38:37,026 --> 00:38:39,606
This was lodged in the high court
this morning.
667
00:38:39,706 --> 00:38:41,966
Worth mentioning, in real life,
he made me go to the courthouse
668
00:38:42,066 --> 00:38:44,046
to pick this up myself.
669
00:38:44,146 --> 00:38:46,086
Possibly not worth mentioning.
670
00:38:46,186 --> 00:38:49,686
- Mulcaire blagged her phone number.
- I changed my phone twice,
671
00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:51,806
and somehow they always got it.
672
00:38:51,906 --> 00:38:53,847
It wasn't just her phone
they were inside of.
673
00:38:53,947 --> 00:38:56,407
They targeted Sienna's mother,
her boyfriend,
674
00:38:56,507 --> 00:38:58,447
his assistant, her publicist.
675
00:38:58,547 --> 00:39:01,967
We analysed my itemised phone bills
and then we used them,
676
00:39:02,067 --> 00:39:04,967
to force the police to hand over
calls made by Mulcaire.
677
00:39:05,073 --> 00:39:07,533
The police were sitting on
this information for four years,
678
00:39:07,627 --> 00:39:11,327
I'll remind you. John Yates, four years.
679
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:15,680
And then we linked them
to the News of the World stories.
680
00:39:15,747 --> 00:39:19,327
There was a name that appeared
in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
681
00:39:19,427 --> 00:39:21,367
A name we haven't had before?
682
00:39:21,486 --> 00:39:23,466
A name that could change everything.
683
00:39:23,547 --> 00:39:25,547
Tell me the name.
684
00:39:27,508 --> 00:39:30,128
- Ian Edmondson.
- Ian Edmondson?
685
00:39:30,228 --> 00:39:32,928
- He reported directly to Coulson.
- Ian Edmondson is the current
686
00:39:33,028 --> 00:39:35,228
news editor of the News of the World.
687
00:40:04,629 --> 00:40:06,989
Just heard. Good work, Nick.
688
00:40:28,549 --> 00:40:33,415
Sheridan?
689
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,690
Oh, Nick. I couldn't get through to you.
690
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:38,170
- So, well, I don't know how...
- Is it the kids?
691
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:40,330
No. No, no. Erm...
692
00:40:40,702 --> 00:40:45,422
It's about your father.
God, I'm so sorry, Nick.
693
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:08,800
Yeah, Graham?
694
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:11,380
We found two crates in an old DPS office.
695
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:15,701
A cleaner found them.
It's old evidence on James Ward.
696
00:41:20,101 --> 00:41:23,601
But we told the judge
we declared everything on Ward.
697
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,701
I'm sorry.
698
00:41:28,741 --> 00:41:30,741
Huh, bye then.
699
00:41:32,061 --> 00:41:34,061
Now this is the end, right?
700
00:41:35,141 --> 00:41:38,061
Do you want the official answer
or the honest answer?
701
00:41:39,181 --> 00:41:41,221
We don't survive this.
702
00:41:43,141 --> 00:41:45,141
I don't understand.
703
00:41:46,181 --> 00:41:48,442
How can they accuse us
of withholding evidence
704
00:41:48,542 --> 00:41:50,962
when you didn't even know
that the crates existed?
705
00:41:51,062 --> 00:41:55,162
It was a disused police building.
Nothing to do with your team, right?
706
00:41:55,262 --> 00:41:57,202
Yeah.
707
00:41:57,302 --> 00:42:00,142
The office was locked for years.
Nobody knew anything about it.
708
00:42:01,862 --> 00:42:03,802
But even if we could make the case
709
00:42:03,902 --> 00:42:06,062
that we weren't withholding the files,
710
00:42:07,142 --> 00:42:09,082
the contents...
711
00:42:09,182 --> 00:42:11,322
The details about James Ward
712
00:42:11,422 --> 00:42:13,842
that he didn't originally disclose
to us...
713
00:42:13,942 --> 00:42:16,922
If we'd have had the files earlier,
714
00:42:17,022 --> 00:42:19,922
we may have been able to deal with it,
715
00:42:20,022 --> 00:42:22,943
but all of it together, it's...
716
00:42:24,023 --> 00:42:26,823
Years and years and years, gone.
717
00:42:28,703 --> 00:42:31,263
All because someone left
some files in the wrong room.
718
00:42:34,623 --> 00:42:36,623
It's like everyone forgot.
719
00:42:37,743 --> 00:42:39,743
All the people in their court.
720
00:42:41,463 --> 00:42:43,543
This was supposed to be about Daniel.
721
00:43:04,864 --> 00:43:06,864
Hi.
722
00:43:11,784 --> 00:43:13,884
- You okay?
- Yeah.
723
00:43:13,984 --> 00:43:16,084
I really loved him.
724
00:43:16,184 --> 00:43:18,864
- I know.
- He was everything.
725
00:43:21,224 --> 00:43:23,224
It was complicated,
but I really loved him.
726
00:43:25,544 --> 00:43:29,004
"The Lord is my Shepherd.
I shall not want.
727
00:43:29,104 --> 00:43:31,925
"He makes me lie down in green pastures,
728
00:43:32,025 --> 00:43:34,025
"He leads me beside still waters.
729
00:43:35,025 --> 00:43:37,165
"He restores my soul,
730
00:43:37,512 --> 00:43:40,352
"He leads me in right paths
for His name's sake.
731
00:43:41,145 --> 00:43:45,405
"Even though I walk through
the darkest valley, I fear no evil,
732
00:43:45,505 --> 00:43:48,965
"For You are with me, Your rod
and Your staff, they comfort me.
733
00:43:49,065 --> 00:43:51,005
"They comfort me.
734
00:43:51,105 --> 00:43:54,865
"You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies,
735
00:43:56,105 --> 00:43:58,725
"Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me
736
00:43:58,825 --> 00:44:01,285
"all the days of my life,
737
00:44:01,385 --> 00:44:05,466
"and I shall dwell in the house
of the Lord, my whole life long."
738
00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:17,066
Hi.
739
00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:26,486
On the 14th of January, 2011,
Rebekah Brooks asked her secretary
740
00:44:26,586 --> 00:44:30,566
to find somewhere discreet
for her to meet Andy Coulson.
741
00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:33,326
She did so the next day, at 7:45 am.
742
00:44:33,426 --> 00:44:35,646
At the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia.
743
00:44:35,746 --> 00:44:38,607
We don't know what Brooks said
to Coulson during that meeting
744
00:44:38,707 --> 00:44:43,547
but we do know that on the 21st
of January, Andy Coulson resigned.
745
00:44:44,627 --> 00:44:47,567
He said, "Unfortunately,
continued coverage of events
746
00:44:47,667 --> 00:44:50,607
- connected to my old job...
- ...at the News of the World,
747
00:44:50,707 --> 00:44:54,367
has made it difficult for me
to give the 110% needed in this role.
748
00:44:54,467 --> 00:44:57,027
I stand by what I said
about those events.
749
00:44:58,227 --> 00:45:01,167
But when a spokesman needs a spokesman,
750
00:45:01,267 --> 00:45:03,387
it's time to move on. Thank you.
751
00:45:06,307 --> 00:45:08,547
Thank you.
752
00:45:17,348 --> 00:45:20,408
This is the end of a long,
753
00:45:20,508 --> 00:45:23,608
and as I am sure everyone associated
with this case will agree,
754
00:45:23,708 --> 00:45:25,648
exhausting road.
755
00:45:25,748 --> 00:45:28,408
In all the years,
that I have been a judge,
756
00:45:28,508 --> 00:45:30,608
I have never come across a case
757
00:45:30,708 --> 00:45:32,768
in which there have been so many issues
758
00:45:32,868 --> 00:45:35,808
or such complex issues to be resolved
759
00:45:35,908 --> 00:45:38,848
before a trial could even get underway.
760
00:45:38,948 --> 00:45:43,968
The family will inevitably
be disappointed by the outcome.
761
00:45:44,068 --> 00:45:47,809
But they, I think, should be commended
762
00:45:47,909 --> 00:45:51,829
on the dignity with which
they have faced these proceedings.
763
00:45:52,869 --> 00:45:58,049
Mr Rees, Mr Fillery, Mr Glenn Vian,
764
00:45:58,149 --> 00:46:00,709
Mr Garry Vian, please stand.
765
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:08,529
You are free to go.
766
00:46:08,629 --> 00:46:11,409
Verdicts of not guilty have been entered
767
00:46:11,509 --> 00:46:15,009
in all of your cases.
768
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:17,349
Thank you, all.
769
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,750
Court rise.
770
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:31,310
Your dad. Yeah.
771
00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:35,230
- He was a nice man.
- You didn't know him.
772
00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:38,830
You made him sound nice.
773
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:44,950
And...
774
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:48,330
To Andy Coulson.
775
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:50,630
May he disappear and never come back.
776
00:46:54,751 --> 00:46:57,211
I may as well tell you,
we're reporting it.
777
00:46:57,311 --> 00:46:59,411
Tomorrow.
778
00:46:59,511 --> 00:47:02,851
Murdoch's going for full control
of BSkyB.
779
00:47:02,951 --> 00:47:06,811
I did hear it was possible.
780
00:47:06,911 --> 00:47:10,451
If he gets that, he'll be able to
leverage a serious amount of debt.
781
00:47:10,551 --> 00:47:12,791
Buy more, buy bigger.
782
00:47:13,791 --> 00:47:18,631
- We're talking world domination.
- Why are you telling me this?
783
00:47:21,231 --> 00:47:23,211
To remind you it's not over.
784
00:47:23,311 --> 00:47:26,892
Remind me that they cut Coulson loose
785
00:47:26,992 --> 00:47:29,612
to save their BSkyB business.
786
00:47:29,712 --> 00:47:33,652
- It's... It's all a false victory.
- Not false at all.
787
00:47:33,752 --> 00:47:37,512
Dissection is a slow process.
We tackle them
788
00:47:39,152 --> 00:47:42,832
One limb at a time,
and eventually they run out of limbs.
789
00:47:43,872 --> 00:47:45,872
Do they?
790
00:47:47,512 --> 00:47:49,812
I'm tired, Alan.
791
00:47:49,912 --> 00:47:52,492
- I wanna go home.
- Agreed.
792
00:47:52,592 --> 00:47:55,732
We rest, we lick our wounds.
We take stock.
793
00:47:55,832 --> 00:47:57,832
No, I don't...
794
00:48:01,233 --> 00:48:03,853
I... I don't think...
I think on this story,
795
00:48:03,953 --> 00:48:06,413
I think you need to find someone
to take over.
796
00:48:06,513 --> 00:48:10,473
Sometimes you need to know when to stop.
797
00:48:13,473 --> 00:48:15,553
It's time to stop. I need to stop.
798
00:48:18,913 --> 00:48:20,913
Sorry.
799
00:48:51,874 --> 00:48:54,334
And I thought a bit
of fresh air might be in order.
800
00:48:54,434 --> 00:48:57,294
- No, I'm fine.
- You're not.
801
00:48:57,394 --> 00:48:59,374
I'm all right.
802
00:48:59,474 --> 00:49:01,474
No, you're not, mate.
803
00:49:02,634 --> 00:49:04,854
Someone I want you to meet.
804
00:49:04,954 --> 00:49:08,035
He helped me. I think he can help you.
805
00:49:09,515 --> 00:49:12,315
Get showered, get dressed.
Not leaving till you do it.
806
00:49:14,515 --> 00:49:16,515
I'm serious.
807
00:49:19,875 --> 00:49:21,875
Okay.
808
00:49:54,636 --> 00:49:56,576
Glen.
809
00:49:56,676 --> 00:49:59,496
David Cook, Gordon Brown.
Gordon Brown, David Cook.
810
00:49:59,596 --> 00:50:01,736
I know a lot about you, DCS Cook.
811
00:50:01,836 --> 00:50:03,776
I appreciate you coming all this way.
812
00:50:03,876 --> 00:50:05,816
It's no problem.
813
00:50:05,916 --> 00:50:08,296
I'm interested in hearing more
about what's happened to you.
814
00:50:08,396 --> 00:50:11,156
I, er... I think I might be able to help.
815
00:50:13,413 --> 00:50:16,373
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