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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,946 --> 00:00:08,886 Previously on The Hack. 2 00:00:08,911 --> 00:00:12,015 Think who edited the paper. Think about where he sits now. 3 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:13,599 I mean, I know Andy Coulson. 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,880 Him sitting next to the Prime Minister, that's wrong in every way. 5 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:19,040 The police have Mulcaire's notebooks. 6 00:00:19,140 --> 00:00:21,280 If we can get them into the public eye we'll see who hired who, 7 00:00:21,380 --> 00:00:23,400 how high this goes, who's being hacked. 8 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:25,961 Just be safe with yourself. Just be safe. 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,338 It's the Daniel Morgan case. We've had 10 00:00:28,363 --> 00:00:31,161 some witnesses finally come forward. 11 00:00:31,261 --> 00:00:34,441 You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness. 12 00:00:34,541 --> 00:00:38,281 From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eaton, whatsoever. 13 00:00:38,381 --> 00:00:40,921 Max, we've got them on the rack. You settle, the whole thing 14 00:00:41,021 --> 00:00:43,481 - gets covered up again. - On the rack with what? 15 00:00:43,581 --> 00:00:46,281 The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than a million pounds. 16 00:00:46,381 --> 00:00:48,701 Our biggest gun was spiked. 17 00:00:51,675 --> 00:00:54,655 Our liberal conservative government will take 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,975 Britain in a historic new direction, a direction of hope and unity, 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,341 conviction and common purpose. 20 00:01:01,597 --> 00:01:05,897 I'm delighted to be standing here with the new deputy Prime Minister, 21 00:01:05,997 --> 00:01:10,577 and I would like now to invite him to speak to us on what I think 22 00:01:10,677 --> 00:01:14,577 is a remarkable and very welcome day. 23 00:01:14,677 --> 00:01:18,577 Thank you, David. We've just been through an election campaign. 24 00:01:18,677 --> 00:01:20,857 And now we have a coalition. 25 00:01:20,957 --> 00:01:24,377 Until today, we were rivals, and now we're colleagues. 26 00:01:24,477 --> 00:01:28,177 - Is it unusual? - I know it'll cost you. 27 00:01:28,277 --> 00:01:30,497 All that work given to someone else's byline. 28 00:01:30,597 --> 00:01:32,537 Finding it a little bit hard to get my head around. 29 00:01:32,637 --> 00:01:34,618 Look. 30 00:01:34,718 --> 00:01:37,378 BBC are playing it on repeat. I've watched it 15 times 31 00:01:37,478 --> 00:01:39,578 and it was sickening the first time. 32 00:01:39,678 --> 00:01:42,418 Andy Coulson now sits at the right hand side of God. 33 00:01:42,518 --> 00:01:45,418 There's a direct link between number 10 and Murdoch, 34 00:01:45,518 --> 00:01:47,898 I don't like that whisper chain. We need our... 35 00:01:47,998 --> 00:01:50,738 - Our own coalition. - We need allies. 36 00:01:50,838 --> 00:01:53,418 We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. 37 00:01:53,518 --> 00:01:56,058 - People are working together. - No, we need allies in the press. 38 00:01:56,158 --> 00:01:59,018 You don't think I've tried? Nobody will touch it. 39 00:01:59,118 --> 00:02:01,658 Thank you. 40 00:02:01,758 --> 00:02:06,178 Well, they won't on Fleet Street, but I've always 41 00:02:06,278 --> 00:02:08,899 thought a lot of Glen Campbell. I think Panorama will bite. 42 00:02:08,999 --> 00:02:11,499 No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle with Murdoch. 43 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:13,659 But then there's Dispatches, maybe. 44 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,699 Internationally, Bill Keller. 45 00:02:15,799 --> 00:02:18,339 You can't think the New York Times would want to be involved. 46 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:20,619 Murdoch's hole on the Wall Street Journal 47 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:22,899 is galling to Bill, I think he could. 48 00:02:22,999 --> 00:02:25,599 I've got resources, of course, but... 49 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:29,259 Alan, they won't share back. 50 00:02:29,359 --> 00:02:31,659 TV hacks might, but the New York Times. 51 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:33,759 This will always be your story, Nick. 52 00:02:34,839 --> 00:02:38,039 No, it's bigger than that. Me. 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,700 I can't make friends at school. Why not a pen pal? 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,800 I get it. Yeah. 55 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:49,740 Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,160 It's a necessary idea. 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,020 Good. 58 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,660 So Nick Davies and the Guardian are losing the exclusive, 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,740 but winning the war. 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,160 - Steve. - Yeah. 61 00:03:25,441 --> 00:03:27,501 I'm aware 62 00:03:27,601 --> 00:03:29,581 that it has taken a few years 63 00:03:29,681 --> 00:03:33,101 to get to this point, and many of us are eager 64 00:03:33,201 --> 00:03:35,681 to draw these pre-trial hearings to a close. 65 00:03:36,681 --> 00:03:38,981 But I'm afraid, a new matter has arisen 66 00:03:39,081 --> 00:03:41,181 that requires our attention. 67 00:03:41,281 --> 00:03:43,301 Last night, an application was made 68 00:03:43,401 --> 00:03:47,741 by the counsel for the defendants, as regards a possible irregularity 69 00:03:47,841 --> 00:03:51,222 in the conduct of this investigation, in relation 70 00:03:51,322 --> 00:03:53,882 to the prosecution witness, Mr Gary Eaton. 71 00:03:55,122 --> 00:03:57,622 In order to resolve this, it is my view 72 00:03:57,722 --> 00:04:00,862 that we must spend some time hearing evidence directly, 73 00:04:00,962 --> 00:04:05,662 from DCS David Cook, and the officers in his team, 74 00:04:05,762 --> 00:04:08,362 which will begin on Monday. 75 00:04:13,602 --> 00:04:15,542 These rules are ridiculous. 76 00:04:15,642 --> 00:04:17,902 - They are tight on this. - No conferring me colleagues? 77 00:04:18,002 --> 00:04:20,102 I mean, I work with these officers day in, day out. 78 00:04:20,202 --> 00:04:23,623 They don't want you to prepare. It's known as an ambush defence, 79 00:04:23,723 --> 00:04:25,663 And they want me to tell them everything about Gary Eaton? 80 00:04:25,763 --> 00:04:27,783 While the suspects are sitting right there. 81 00:04:27,883 --> 00:04:31,903 If the judge does decide to lose Gary Eaton's evidence, 82 00:04:32,003 --> 00:04:34,503 it would be a a significant setback. 83 00:04:34,603 --> 00:04:37,203 Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster. 84 00:04:39,283 --> 00:04:41,383 So we do what the judge tells us to. 85 00:04:41,483 --> 00:04:43,623 All you have to do is answer the questions. 86 00:04:43,723 --> 00:04:47,223 Dave will be fine. He's good in the spotlight. 87 00:04:47,323 --> 00:04:51,023 And while you sit in the spotlight, boy scout behaviour. 88 00:04:51,123 --> 00:04:54,743 Day in, day out, agreed? The defence could put you under surveillance. 89 00:04:54,843 --> 00:04:56,784 They could track your car, your phone, 90 00:04:56,884 --> 00:04:59,084 They'd love nothing more than to catch you out. 91 00:05:01,524 --> 00:05:03,864 These men have been under arrest for over a year. 92 00:05:03,964 --> 00:05:06,544 This is a fucking farce. Nothing to do with truth, 93 00:05:06,644 --> 00:05:08,804 nothing to do with justice. 94 00:05:09,884 --> 00:05:12,244 We do the best we can within the system we've got. 95 00:05:22,724 --> 00:05:25,984 What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row? 96 00:05:26,084 --> 00:05:29,224 A murder? An ambush? An armada? 97 00:05:29,324 --> 00:05:31,565 Do you really call them, "help"? 98 00:05:32,605 --> 00:05:34,745 This is, er, quite something. 99 00:05:34,845 --> 00:05:37,665 - It's remarkable journalism, Nick. - Thank you. 100 00:05:37,765 --> 00:05:39,745 Any chance they're doing it in America, too? 101 00:05:39,845 --> 00:05:42,585 A few suspected names. 102 00:05:42,685 --> 00:05:44,785 Nothing firm. It's all in there. 103 00:05:44,885 --> 00:05:47,265 You have no one on record from News of the World? 104 00:05:47,365 --> 00:05:49,385 - No. - But plenty off the record. 105 00:05:49,485 --> 00:05:51,425 Am I right? 106 00:05:51,525 --> 00:05:53,505 She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr Apollo is. 107 00:05:53,605 --> 00:05:57,745 Oh, I see, you think he's a News International insider. Interesting. 108 00:05:57,845 --> 00:05:59,985 Em. But no, not sharing. 109 00:06:00,085 --> 00:06:02,765 And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared. 110 00:06:03,766 --> 00:06:07,586 Do you have an angle? The... You... Paper... 111 00:06:07,686 --> 00:06:10,226 Well, Bill's instincts were, er, Royal Family, 112 00:06:10,326 --> 00:06:12,466 - Murdochs, press intrusion. - In that order? 113 00:06:12,566 --> 00:06:15,466 We'll find our way. It's important no one can say that 114 00:06:15,566 --> 00:06:18,626 we colluded with you or were baby fed just to stand your story up. 115 00:06:18,726 --> 00:06:20,706 You're not here to stand my story up. 116 00:06:20,806 --> 00:06:23,026 - I wasn't saying that. - We further each other's stories. 117 00:06:23,126 --> 00:06:27,306 Anything new we get, we know you're the keeper of the flame. 118 00:06:27,406 --> 00:06:29,406 We'll bring you in. 119 00:06:30,486 --> 00:06:32,966 I might say likewise, but I've given you all I have. 120 00:06:56,767 --> 00:06:58,767 I don't know when this started either. 121 00:07:14,848 --> 00:07:17,348 Em, you might get a call from the New York Times 122 00:07:17,448 --> 00:07:20,508 - in the next few days. - New York Times, fancy. 123 00:07:20,608 --> 00:07:23,428 They're getting involved. We're giving them what we have. 124 00:07:23,528 --> 00:07:25,828 Two newspapers are better than one. 125 00:07:25,928 --> 00:07:29,348 You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come around for playdates, 126 00:07:29,448 --> 00:07:32,828 I instinctively know who are good at sharing, 127 00:07:32,928 --> 00:07:35,588 - and who aren't and you... - Alan thinks it's a good idea. 128 00:07:35,688 --> 00:07:38,148 - I think it's a good idea. - Oh, you weren't very good 129 00:07:38,248 --> 00:07:40,508 - at sharing at all, were you? - I'm not done. 130 00:07:40,608 --> 00:07:42,608 They'll do their thing. 131 00:07:44,168 --> 00:07:46,749 It actually makes it easier to pursue. 132 00:07:46,849 --> 00:07:49,549 And I was actually quite good at football as a kid, so... 133 00:07:49,649 --> 00:07:51,629 That's what I would have done at your playdate. 134 00:07:51,729 --> 00:07:53,669 I'd have found a ball and kicked it. I didn't care about toys. 135 00:07:53,769 --> 00:07:55,709 Anyway, I have an idea. 136 00:07:55,809 --> 00:07:58,869 So Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash. 137 00:07:58,969 --> 00:08:00,909 I don't know Harry Evans. 138 00:08:01,009 --> 00:08:04,109 Editor of the Sunday Times, from 1967 to '81. Newspaper legend. 139 00:08:04,209 --> 00:08:06,269 Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch? 140 00:08:06,369 --> 00:08:08,349 - Oh, they didn't get on. - Murdoch fired him? 141 00:08:08,449 --> 00:08:10,669 Eventually, actually, first he promoted him, gave him editorship. 142 00:08:10,769 --> 00:08:13,029 - So that's not... - And he's the hero in this story? 143 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:15,229 - I haven't told the story. - But your eyes imply he's the hero. 144 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:18,269 The DC-10, in Paris, passenger jet. 145 00:08:18,369 --> 00:08:20,950 There was clearly a problem with the manufacture of the plane 146 00:08:21,050 --> 00:08:22,990 - but Harry couldn't print. - Without evidence. 147 00:08:23,090 --> 00:08:26,350 Exactly. So Harry got his reporters to intervene. 148 00:08:26,450 --> 00:08:29,150 Linked the bereaved families with highly effective lawyers 149 00:08:29,250 --> 00:08:31,790 in the US, because US courts were more likely 150 00:08:31,890 --> 00:08:35,150 to order McDonnell Douglas to disclose internal paperwork. 151 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:37,910 - My plan is to do the same. - Haven't we already tried that 152 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:40,750 - with Max Clifford? - No. No. Then you 153 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:44,410 involve me in your case. Very kindly. Now I'm going to recruit for you. 154 00:08:45,490 --> 00:08:47,430 So they bribed Max. 155 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:50,510 They won't be able to stop an army of people. 156 00:08:50,610 --> 00:08:53,391 If I can get a list of the hacked and encourage them to come forward, 157 00:08:53,491 --> 00:08:55,491 we can flood the courts. 158 00:08:58,851 --> 00:09:01,391 - I can't see you as a footballer. - Fuck off. 159 00:09:01,491 --> 00:09:04,631 Look, Andy Coulson created a culture at the News of the World. 160 00:09:04,731 --> 00:09:06,671 To prove he did so we need to get 161 00:09:06,771 --> 00:09:08,711 as many of his top journalists implicated as possible. 162 00:09:08,811 --> 00:09:11,351 Mulcaire's notes had Clive Goodman's name written 163 00:09:11,451 --> 00:09:13,391 at the top. Court record. 164 00:09:13,491 --> 00:09:16,051 So we can find the other editors who commissioned him. 165 00:09:17,371 --> 00:09:19,811 Come on, it's time to get nuclear, don't you think? 166 00:09:21,851 --> 00:09:23,831 The inevitable dig followed. 167 00:09:23,931 --> 00:09:27,192 I had to identify with the help of my furry friend, 168 00:09:27,292 --> 00:09:30,632 every celebrity, politician, and sports star they'd gone after. 169 00:09:30,732 --> 00:09:34,832 High ranking, the low ranking, the illustrious, the audacious. 170 00:09:34,945 --> 00:09:38,165 And then I had to persuade those people to fight. 171 00:09:38,252 --> 00:09:40,232 Like MP Tessa Jowell. 172 00:09:40,332 --> 00:09:42,792 Yes, I have been spoken to by the police. 173 00:09:42,892 --> 00:09:45,472 All the dirt they had on your ex-husband came from hacking. 174 00:09:45,572 --> 00:09:47,672 And ruined my marriage, I am aware. 175 00:09:47,772 --> 00:09:50,592 I'd like to publish an article about your experiences, 176 00:09:50,692 --> 00:09:53,312 and I'd like you to consider pursuing it further in court. 177 00:09:53,425 --> 00:09:56,765 - I have good lawyer recommendations. - But that would mean stirring it up. 178 00:09:56,852 --> 00:10:00,113 We've struggled enough. Please, leave it alone. 179 00:10:00,213 --> 00:10:02,793 I had proof that Charles Clarke had been hacked. 180 00:10:02,893 --> 00:10:04,953 I told a friend who knew him to tell him. 181 00:10:05,053 --> 00:10:07,473 - My friend said... - He's not willing to engage. 182 00:10:07,573 --> 00:10:10,953 With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms who specialised 183 00:10:11,053 --> 00:10:13,513 in representing celebrities. I contacted all of them. 184 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:15,913 I wish I could tell you their names. 185 00:10:16,013 --> 00:10:17,953 - I'm getting nothing. - Nothing? 186 00:10:18,053 --> 00:10:22,313 They're busy. They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story. 187 00:10:22,413 --> 00:10:25,753 They can't afford it. But mostly... 188 00:10:25,853 --> 00:10:28,053 Mostly, they're frightened. 189 00:10:29,333 --> 00:10:31,393 I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman. 190 00:10:31,493 --> 00:10:34,354 - Hello, Charlotte. - Nice to meet you. 191 00:10:34,454 --> 00:10:37,474 A charming lawyer. How nice. 192 00:10:37,574 --> 00:10:40,054 Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly. 193 00:10:41,054 --> 00:10:42,994 Have you met John Kelly? 194 00:10:43,094 --> 00:10:45,714 No. She wasn't warned by the police. 195 00:10:45,814 --> 00:10:48,794 And no, she won't be meeting with you 196 00:10:48,894 --> 00:10:50,834 or any other journalist. 197 00:10:50,934 --> 00:10:54,394 Mr Kelly, this is worth pursuing. For Nicole, for all your clients. 198 00:10:54,494 --> 00:10:56,434 It's still a no, I'm afraid. 199 00:10:56,534 --> 00:10:59,834 - A hard no. - Her trustees say no. 200 00:10:59,934 --> 00:11:02,514 Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients, 201 00:11:02,614 --> 00:11:05,114 one of whom was Big Brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked. 202 00:11:05,214 --> 00:11:07,154 Jade had died of cancer. 203 00:11:07,254 --> 00:11:09,955 - They're not interested in pursuing. - Perhaps I could talk to them. 204 00:11:10,068 --> 00:11:14,228 Becuase you're more persuasive than me? I get it. You're desperate. 205 00:11:16,615 --> 00:11:20,435 There is another... someone I can't give you her name. 206 00:11:20,535 --> 00:11:23,995 - We called her "AZP". - She's very angry. 207 00:11:24,095 --> 00:11:26,835 They've ruined her life. She's leaning into all this. 208 00:11:26,935 --> 00:11:29,675 - I'd love to... - Yeah, of course you fucking would. 209 00:11:29,775 --> 00:11:33,315 If she's brave enough to talk more, then you'll hear more. Until then... 210 00:11:33,415 --> 00:11:37,095 - They're just all so scared. - They are profoundly scared. 211 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:53,410 Mr Cook, do you accept that a number of rules 212 00:11:53,510 --> 00:11:56,130 were broken with regard to Gary Eaton? 213 00:11:56,230 --> 00:11:58,410 - I do. - And the issue for the judge 214 00:11:58,510 --> 00:12:02,650 to decide on is the spirit in which these rules were broken. 215 00:12:02,750 --> 00:12:06,130 Were they broken in bad faith, or was it done transparently 216 00:12:06,230 --> 00:12:08,170 and in the interests of justice? 217 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:11,810 Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment, 218 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:14,250 - you understand that? - Yes, I do. 219 00:12:14,350 --> 00:12:20,211 Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr Eaton. 220 00:12:20,311 --> 00:12:24,251 It's been suggested that you led the witness during this conversation. 221 00:12:24,351 --> 00:12:27,291 I think it's important for me to say that I never wanted to meet 222 00:12:27,391 --> 00:12:29,571 with Mr Eaton in the first place. 223 00:12:29,671 --> 00:12:33,351 He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along. 224 00:12:34,351 --> 00:12:36,411 And the job is to find out if he was valid. 225 00:12:36,511 --> 00:12:39,551 And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions. 226 00:12:40,831 --> 00:12:43,551 "Give me the name of the brothers." 227 00:12:44,631 --> 00:12:48,491 That's hardly a probing question, is it, Mr Cook? 228 00:12:48,591 --> 00:12:52,051 He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he? 229 00:12:52,151 --> 00:12:54,092 You gave him the brothers. 230 00:12:54,192 --> 00:12:57,412 I gave him the brothers. I did not give him the name of the brothers. 231 00:12:57,512 --> 00:13:01,852 You were aware at that first meeting of how important it was to 232 00:13:01,952 --> 00:13:03,892 preserve the integrity of the process? 233 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:06,332 And that's what I thought we were doing, it was all recorded. 234 00:13:06,432 --> 00:13:09,292 And we all have the transcripts here before us. 235 00:13:09,392 --> 00:13:11,392 But that wasn't my question. 236 00:13:12,912 --> 00:13:14,912 It was a simple question. 237 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:18,652 Let's try another. 238 00:13:18,752 --> 00:13:22,612 Do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with a witness, 239 00:13:22,712 --> 00:13:25,152 you were breaching the sterile corridor system? 240 00:13:26,152 --> 00:13:29,693 Yes, I do. But I would say that this was a particularly 241 00:13:29,793 --> 00:13:32,773 - difficult set of circumstances. - Wasn't difficult at all. 242 00:13:32,873 --> 00:13:35,293 All you had to do was say to this man, "I'm sorry, 243 00:13:35,393 --> 00:13:38,253 "the rules are, I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you. 244 00:13:38,353 --> 00:13:40,653 "You have your own witness protection handler. 245 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:42,773 "They can sort out any problems you may have, 246 00:13:42,873 --> 00:13:44,853 "but from now on, you must not ring me, 247 00:13:44,953 --> 00:13:47,253 "and if you do, my phone will bar you." 248 00:13:47,353 --> 00:13:49,333 And that is what I did on several occasions. 249 00:13:49,433 --> 00:13:52,233 Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone? 250 00:13:55,913 --> 00:13:58,153 It's not always possible on every type of phone. 251 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:05,154 Are you saying that it's not possible from a Metropolitan Police phone? 252 00:14:07,834 --> 00:14:09,834 It's... It's a terribly, simple question. 253 00:14:12,034 --> 00:14:14,714 He changed his number. I didn't know his number. 254 00:14:17,834 --> 00:14:20,654 I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note taking. 255 00:14:20,754 --> 00:14:23,814 My Lord, between August the 23rd... 256 00:14:23,914 --> 00:14:27,094 ...and the 16th of September 2006, 257 00:14:27,194 --> 00:14:30,774 not one of Mr Cook's numerous telephone calls to Eaton 258 00:14:30,874 --> 00:14:33,294 appears on the schedule. 259 00:14:33,394 --> 00:14:35,535 Mr Cook, do you mind telling us 260 00:14:35,635 --> 00:14:38,815 how it is that between the 23rd of August and the 16th September, 261 00:14:38,915 --> 00:14:42,795 you managed to make so many calls without recording any of them? 262 00:14:43,835 --> 00:14:46,895 From memory, the vast majority, if not all, 263 00:14:46,995 --> 00:14:49,415 were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare, 264 00:14:49,515 --> 00:14:51,535 his domestic, stuff like that, nuisance stuff. 265 00:14:51,635 --> 00:14:53,655 But you accept, do you not, 266 00:14:53,755 --> 00:14:57,215 that the court has no way of knowing what was said during these calls? 267 00:14:57,315 --> 00:15:00,735 I accept that. And my Lord, do you mind if I sit down? 268 00:15:00,835 --> 00:15:04,535 - I suffer from vertigo. - Please. 269 00:15:04,635 --> 00:15:08,456 Let us look at tab number nine. 270 00:15:08,556 --> 00:15:11,656 We can see top line... 271 00:15:11,756 --> 00:15:13,816 ...that the debrief begins on the 1st of August. 272 00:15:13,916 --> 00:15:16,016 We can see that it's followed the next day 273 00:15:16,116 --> 00:15:18,656 by a call which is 15 minutes long. 274 00:15:18,756 --> 00:15:20,816 That one is logged. 275 00:15:20,916 --> 00:15:23,336 Then, on the 28th of August, 276 00:15:23,436 --> 00:15:25,696 there's a nine-minute call, which is not logged. 277 00:15:25,796 --> 00:15:29,656 Then, on the 1st of September, Eaton suddenly changes his story. 278 00:15:29,756 --> 00:15:32,056 He says for the first time that he was 279 00:15:32,156 --> 00:15:35,576 - at the scene of the murder. - Well, what are you suggesting? 280 00:15:35,676 --> 00:15:39,936 I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr Cook. 281 00:15:40,036 --> 00:15:42,136 I suppose you're going to deny it 282 00:15:42,236 --> 00:15:44,297 and say that it is just a coincidence. You're going 283 00:15:44,397 --> 00:15:47,137 to deny that during these, unlogged calls, 284 00:15:47,237 --> 00:15:51,217 - you were feeding Mr Eaton his story? - And why would I do that? 285 00:15:51,317 --> 00:15:53,897 This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police 286 00:15:53,997 --> 00:15:56,577 untold embarrassment for over two decades. 287 00:15:56,677 --> 00:15:58,777 You were desperate to nail someone. 288 00:15:58,877 --> 00:16:00,857 Of course, if you think you have somebody 289 00:16:00,957 --> 00:16:03,977 who may be an eyewitness, you embrace them with both arms. 290 00:16:04,077 --> 00:16:07,177 But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man 291 00:16:07,277 --> 00:16:09,257 to run riot over your investigation. 292 00:16:09,357 --> 00:16:11,457 Not only that, but you manipulated him 293 00:16:11,557 --> 00:16:13,497 because he was easily manipulable. 294 00:16:13,597 --> 00:16:17,698 And because he was your one way of bringing this case back to life 295 00:16:17,798 --> 00:16:21,178 and ending your career with a real coup. 296 00:16:21,278 --> 00:16:24,558 Isn't that what has gone on here, Mr Cook? 297 00:16:29,798 --> 00:16:31,918 You could not be further from the truth, sir. 298 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,099 If you haven't changed your ways. 299 00:17:03,199 --> 00:17:05,619 No chance. Thanks. 300 00:17:06,451 --> 00:17:07,859 Can you still win? 301 00:17:07,959 --> 00:17:10,859 Now that we've lost Gary Eaton, the entire case... 302 00:17:10,965 --> 00:17:13,705 rests on two witnesses. Lindsey Wright, 303 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:17,159 Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend, who is basically a fucking nightmare, 304 00:17:18,091 --> 00:17:23,451 and James Ward, our original supergrass, who's erratic at best. 305 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:27,312 Nine days they kept me on that stand. 306 00:17:28,332 --> 00:17:31,291 On day one, I really thought I could win. 307 00:17:31,931 --> 00:17:34,571 - Hoped. - Yeah, I remember hope. 308 00:17:36,412 --> 00:17:38,571 I'm sorry they did that to you. 309 00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:41,611 - You didn't deserve it. - Ah, maybe I did. 310 00:17:44,945 --> 00:17:49,105 So, what about you? Can you, erm, win? 311 00:17:50,611 --> 00:17:53,151 Journalism isn't about winning or losing. 312 00:17:53,251 --> 00:17:56,411 It's about the gradual erosion of self-worth. 313 00:17:58,252 --> 00:18:01,472 Alan's given the story to Panorama and the New York Times, 314 00:18:01,572 --> 00:18:03,712 and he's probably right because I can't get anyone 315 00:18:03,812 --> 00:18:06,112 to go to court, which means we can't... 316 00:18:06,225 --> 00:18:11,045 I... I thought I had a way to get to Mulcaire's notes, 317 00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:13,312 I thought I was finally getting somewhere, 318 00:18:13,412 --> 00:18:15,492 but like everything I tried. 319 00:18:17,452 --> 00:18:19,392 What about Jonathan Rees? 320 00:18:19,492 --> 00:18:21,992 Surely he's just as bad as Mulcaire. 321 00:18:22,092 --> 00:18:24,032 He's on trial, if you haven't noticed. 322 00:18:24,132 --> 00:18:26,832 We raided his house a few years ago. 323 00:18:26,932 --> 00:18:29,032 We found invoices on his desk. 324 00:18:29,132 --> 00:18:31,873 Rees to Alex Marunchak and the News of the World. 325 00:18:31,973 --> 00:18:35,673 Rees went to prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice, 326 00:18:35,773 --> 00:18:40,073 came out and went right back into the employ of News of the World, 327 00:18:40,173 --> 00:18:42,173 while Andy Coulson was the editor. 328 00:18:43,173 --> 00:18:46,093 Under Coulson, News of the World employed a convicted criminal? 329 00:18:48,653 --> 00:18:51,473 Now, this fell into your lap, okay? 330 00:18:51,573 --> 00:18:53,633 You can't quote me. 331 00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:56,073 You can't name Rees. 332 00:18:56,173 --> 00:18:58,293 But you can use this to nail them. 333 00:18:59,653 --> 00:19:01,653 This could get you in serious trouble. 334 00:19:03,373 --> 00:19:05,374 I'm already in serious trouble. 335 00:19:14,534 --> 00:19:17,434 So you're calling Jonathan Rees, "Mr A"? 336 00:19:17,534 --> 00:19:19,514 I think it's my best pseudonym yet. 337 00:19:19,614 --> 00:19:21,914 I can't name him till after the Morgan trial. 338 00:19:22,014 --> 00:19:25,154 It's very tenuous, legally, even to hide him under a pseudonym. 339 00:19:25,254 --> 00:19:27,234 His lawyers can claim contempt of court. 340 00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,674 Coulson being in government is a contempt. 341 00:19:29,774 --> 00:19:32,674 - It's a good story. Does it stand up? - My source is solid. 342 00:19:32,774 --> 00:19:34,714 Jonathan Rees was imprisoned 343 00:19:34,814 --> 00:19:37,954 for conspiring to pervert the course of justice. 344 00:19:38,054 --> 00:19:40,275 And the News of the World rehired him. 345 00:19:40,375 --> 00:19:43,195 After he was released from prison while Coulson was editor. 346 00:19:43,295 --> 00:19:45,995 - Feels a good one. - We'll need to give Coulson 347 00:19:46,095 --> 00:19:48,035 - right of reply. - Ugh! 348 00:19:48,135 --> 00:19:50,715 This is the most archaic practice, giving people quotes, 349 00:19:50,815 --> 00:19:53,715 in articles against them. It's just free 350 00:19:53,815 --> 00:19:56,115 - advertising space for their lies. - I think it's necessary. 351 00:19:56,215 --> 00:19:59,355 If we publish his right of reply, we'll be misleading our readers. 352 00:19:59,455 --> 00:20:02,235 Whatever the fight, I think it's better to stick to established 353 00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:04,515 - journalist practice, don't you? - What do you know about journalism? 354 00:20:04,615 --> 00:20:06,715 - You're a lawyer. - Nick. Could you maybe talk to her 355 00:20:06,815 --> 00:20:09,355 - with a bit more respect? - Oh, fuck off, with respect. 356 00:20:09,455 --> 00:20:12,316 - Nick. - Sorry. Sorry, Rufus. Sorry, Gill. 357 00:20:12,416 --> 00:20:14,356 I know how vital you are to all this. 358 00:20:14,456 --> 00:20:16,636 Just... busy time, busy head. 359 00:20:16,736 --> 00:20:20,276 I'll alert some people. 360 00:20:20,376 --> 00:20:23,556 - Go backstairs. - I know this will spread. 361 00:20:23,656 --> 00:20:25,756 The other newspapers, they can't ignore this. 362 00:20:25,856 --> 00:20:28,716 - It has to. - Gill? 363 00:20:28,816 --> 00:20:32,556 If he gets the quote from Coulson, I think we can argue public interest. 364 00:20:32,656 --> 00:20:35,816 - I agree. - Thank you. This is good. 365 00:20:39,496 --> 00:20:43,076 Whoever your source is, this is good. 366 00:21:01,730 --> 00:21:04,210 Would it surprise you to know it didn't spread? 367 00:21:05,617 --> 00:21:09,577 All the other newspapers ignored the Mr A story. 368 00:21:14,036 --> 00:21:16,036 You'll get them next time. 369 00:21:21,778 --> 00:21:23,778 The trouble with next time... 370 00:21:26,378 --> 00:21:29,518 - The trouble with... - You'll get them next time. 371 00:21:29,618 --> 00:21:32,958 - I don't have a next time. - You stupid child. 372 00:21:33,058 --> 00:21:36,418 Nicholas! Nicholas, don't be dramatic, Nicholas. 373 00:21:37,945 --> 00:21:40,145 Let's get a washcloth for that blood, shall we? 374 00:21:40,898 --> 00:21:42,878 I don't have a next time. 375 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,878 Er, Nick Davies. 376 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:55,799 Nick. It's Jo Becker, New York Times. 377 00:21:55,899 --> 00:21:58,079 Oh, Yeah... I... 378 00:21:58,179 --> 00:22:01,239 - Is now not a good time? - No, it's fine. 379 00:22:01,339 --> 00:22:04,199 - How can I help? - We're going to publish. 380 00:22:04,299 --> 00:22:08,079 - Great. What? - Sean Hoare is going on the record. 381 00:22:08,179 --> 00:22:10,639 - He's a genuine insider. - Oh, more than that, 382 00:22:10,739 --> 00:22:14,119 he's Coulson's friend. They worked the celebrity Bizarre column 383 00:22:14,219 --> 00:22:16,639 that Coulson made his name on. What did he say? 384 00:22:16,739 --> 00:22:19,399 Well, he talked about Coulson a lot. 385 00:22:19,499 --> 00:22:21,919 I had a good relationship with him as it goes. 386 00:22:22,019 --> 00:22:23,959 Yeah, I could do the fuck I wanted 387 00:22:24,059 --> 00:22:26,259 as long as I came in with a good story. 388 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:31,040 The brief was... 389 00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:34,397 "I don't give a fuck." 390 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,400 The News of the World meetings sound more fun than Guardian ones. 391 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,520 You're not wrong. But I asked him... 392 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,590 Did he know what's going on? Coulson? 393 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:46,000 The New York Times, over here on this, are they? 394 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,400 - Yes. - Oh... Why? 395 00:22:49,686 --> 00:22:52,746 We want to investigate whether an ethical line has been crossed. 396 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,880 Fuck me, you sound like the Guardian. 397 00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:57,280 You don't think the Guardian are valid? 398 00:22:57,380 --> 00:22:59,680 I think the Guardian are being beautiful beings, 399 00:22:59,780 --> 00:23:02,741 gazing down from their mighty high horses, the pious fucks. 400 00:23:03,741 --> 00:23:06,181 You know? But the thing about you, you see, is that you... 401 00:23:07,981 --> 00:23:11,441 You're foreign, so I like you. 402 00:23:16,861 --> 00:23:18,620 I, personally... 403 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,601 played voicemail recordings to the bastard, 404 00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:24,281 when we worked together at the Sun and the Screws. 405 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:27,341 You played recordings to Coulson? 406 00:23:28,187 --> 00:23:31,587 Sean, is that on the record? 407 00:23:45,822 --> 00:23:48,522 - I want a New York Mets top. - I'm sorry? 408 00:23:48,942 --> 00:23:52,542 I want a New York Mets top, and then it's on the record. 409 00:23:53,862 --> 00:23:57,562 - Okay. - Yeah? 410 00:23:57,841 --> 00:24:00,460 - Sure. - Great. 411 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:05,082 So what do you say we go completely crazy 412 00:24:05,182 --> 00:24:08,940 - and have another orange juice? - Thank you. 413 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,700 This is very good. 414 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,640 I don't think they made clear the link with Coulson. 415 00:24:30,686 --> 00:24:32,220 It's good journalism, but it's... 416 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,340 I love an intimate party, Nick, but it is nice, don't you think, 417 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,100 to have at least some other people who want to be there. 418 00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:41,400 This is the New York Times. 419 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,920 It's going to be a lot harder to fight us both. 420 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:46,180 This matters. 421 00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:49,660 Yeah. 422 00:24:50,221 --> 00:24:52,801 It was an extremely good piece. It... 423 00:24:52,901 --> 00:24:54,460 The way it... 424 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:57,140 It was extremely good. And what happened next, 425 00:24:57,381 --> 00:25:00,401 Alan was right, it made everybody braver. 426 00:25:00,501 --> 00:25:02,441 Celebrities began to look up. 427 00:25:02,541 --> 00:25:05,081 For instance, Charlotte Harris began to get somewhere with a client. 428 00:25:05,181 --> 00:25:08,521 - Football agent, Sky Andrew. - They offered him ยฃ200,000 429 00:25:08,621 --> 00:25:11,241 a year and ยฃ1.2 million in free advertising 430 00:25:11,341 --> 00:25:13,521 - for a charity if he'd drop his case. - And? 431 00:25:13,621 --> 00:25:16,481 - He said no. - People were willing to fight. 432 00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:18,521 Most unusual people. 433 00:25:18,621 --> 00:25:22,201 - Hi, Nick Davies. - Max Mosley, I'm a fan of your work. 434 00:25:22,301 --> 00:25:25,682 And then, Max Mosley did something extraordinary. 435 00:25:25,782 --> 00:25:28,562 To be clear, we didn't meet at the Guardian, but this setting will do. 436 00:25:28,662 --> 00:25:30,962 I'd like to back, financially, 437 00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:34,202 anyone wishing to bring a case against the News of the World, 438 00:25:34,302 --> 00:25:37,042 indemnify them against costs and damages. 439 00:25:37,142 --> 00:25:39,222 Max, that could be millions. 440 00:25:40,422 --> 00:25:42,362 I'm guessing you saw it. 441 00:25:42,462 --> 00:25:46,082 Nazi sex orgy, photos of me. 442 00:25:46,182 --> 00:25:48,282 It was not Nazi. 443 00:25:48,382 --> 00:25:50,582 It was consenting, but they didn't care. 444 00:25:52,222 --> 00:25:54,282 I sued, I got a small reward. 445 00:25:54,382 --> 00:25:56,322 I survived. 446 00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:59,463 My son didn't. 447 00:26:01,223 --> 00:26:04,463 A heroin overdose, one year after the story was published. 448 00:26:06,223 --> 00:26:08,523 I'm sorry. 449 00:26:08,623 --> 00:26:10,683 They can attack us. 450 00:26:10,783 --> 00:26:12,903 But when our children are damaged... 451 00:26:14,543 --> 00:26:18,283 But are you sure that this is what you want to spend your fortune on? 452 00:26:18,383 --> 00:26:22,603 You underestimate my fortune, Mr Davies. 453 00:26:22,703 --> 00:26:24,943 And my anger. 454 00:26:26,303 --> 00:26:29,483 The world started to unfurl before us, 455 00:26:29,583 --> 00:26:31,644 the strategy started to work. 456 00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:34,084 Allies were... 457 00:26:34,184 --> 00:26:38,084 Well, not exactly everywhere but gathering. And then... 458 00:26:38,184 --> 00:26:41,164 The game changed, Mark Thompson got in touch. 459 00:26:41,264 --> 00:26:43,324 His client, AZP, you remember AZP? 460 00:26:43,424 --> 00:26:46,244 Well, apparently she loved the New York Times piece 461 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:48,564 and the Mr A story. And she wanted to meet. 462 00:26:48,664 --> 00:26:51,684 Oh, and, AZP. She is... 463 00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:54,164 Sienna Miller, meet Nick Davies. 464 00:26:54,264 --> 00:26:59,004 - Pleasure to meet you. - Yes. Actor, tabloid magnate. 465 00:26:59,104 --> 00:27:02,564 - Our ace card. - He knows it's coming. 466 00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:06,145 Everyone's been whispering to her to stop. All of Hollywood. 467 00:27:07,305 --> 00:27:09,525 Some roles are being withdrawn. 468 00:27:09,625 --> 00:27:12,505 Others are being promised if she just lets it go. 469 00:27:13,505 --> 00:27:17,085 - But you've decided to keep fighting. - They've also said, 470 00:27:17,185 --> 00:27:20,525 they've told me that there is more muck on me they'd use. 471 00:27:20,625 --> 00:27:22,645 Which is, I mean, 472 00:27:22,745 --> 00:27:25,885 probably true, but I mean, how can they print anything worse? 473 00:27:25,985 --> 00:27:27,985 All the papers are after her. 474 00:27:29,185 --> 00:27:32,145 Can I ask... Sienna, can I ask what happened? 475 00:27:34,385 --> 00:27:37,285 I... I can't go into the... The details. 476 00:27:37,385 --> 00:27:39,686 And I really don't want to pry, but what... 477 00:27:39,786 --> 00:27:42,166 What were they digging for? 478 00:27:42,266 --> 00:27:44,266 Erm... 479 00:27:47,426 --> 00:27:52,326 Seemingly, erm, what, anything about me is, er, interesting. 480 00:27:52,426 --> 00:27:57,786 The restaurants I go to, what I wear, people I meet. 481 00:27:59,186 --> 00:28:05,906 But it seems their attention was particularly grabbed by, I... 482 00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:10,446 I got, er... 483 00:28:10,546 --> 00:28:14,667 I got pregnant and erm... I had a decision. 484 00:28:15,747 --> 00:28:17,847 To make. You understand? 485 00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:20,267 - Mmm. - And... 486 00:28:21,587 --> 00:28:24,867 Well, at that time, when you're... When you're dealing with that, 487 00:28:25,907 --> 00:28:29,647 you need people that you can trust, and I didn't, I didn't trust anyone. 488 00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:32,687 I thought that they were all selling stories about me 489 00:28:32,787 --> 00:28:35,147 because they knew everything. 490 00:28:36,747 --> 00:28:39,687 And I couldn't work out why. I couldn't work out why 491 00:28:39,787 --> 00:28:43,207 anything I told my friends or family 492 00:28:43,307 --> 00:28:47,448 was being leaked. I thought, I mean, I... 493 00:28:47,548 --> 00:28:49,908 I started to, erm... 494 00:28:50,948 --> 00:28:54,608 Yeah. Mmm. 495 00:28:54,708 --> 00:28:56,708 I, er... 496 00:28:59,828 --> 00:29:02,608 The number of people that I trusted grew smaller and smaller 497 00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,008 until there was almost no one at all. 498 00:29:06,108 --> 00:29:09,568 I didn't know which way was up. Not anymore. I drank too much, 499 00:29:09,668 --> 00:29:14,208 did all the wrong things, damaged my career, damaged myself. 500 00:29:14,308 --> 00:29:16,248 And they feasted on it. 501 00:29:16,348 --> 00:29:18,328 Was this Mulcaire? 502 00:29:18,428 --> 00:29:21,409 We don't know. We don't know who was doing what. 503 00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,449 All we know is the results of it. 504 00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:26,309 The thing that I was most, erm... 505 00:29:28,469 --> 00:29:30,469 sorry about was that I, erm... 506 00:29:33,069 --> 00:29:35,069 I damaged my family. 507 00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:39,269 Once it was all, erm... 508 00:29:45,749 --> 00:29:47,909 I only, basically, told my mum. 509 00:29:52,189 --> 00:29:54,630 And they still found out. 510 00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:58,110 And they published, and I thought it was her. 511 00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:03,310 And the things I said to her, you know. 512 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:08,510 Must have been horrible. 513 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:12,290 But I'm a celebrity. 514 00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:14,370 "I chose all this. It's not their fault. 515 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:16,550 "It's in the public interest." Hmm? 516 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,790 - We're taking this all the way. - Good. 517 00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:24,910 - Mmm-hmm. - Thank you. 518 00:30:28,311 --> 00:30:30,251 We're gonna have to disclose this. 519 00:30:30,351 --> 00:30:32,291 I'm afraid there's no choice. 520 00:30:32,391 --> 00:30:34,451 But I ain't done nothing. 521 00:30:34,551 --> 00:30:36,971 Lindsey, your entire search history's here. 522 00:30:37,071 --> 00:30:39,971 We can see what you searched and when you searched it. 523 00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:43,811 But... I'm allowed to be curious, ain't I? 524 00:30:43,911 --> 00:30:45,911 - Not against the law to be curious. - Look. 525 00:30:47,031 --> 00:30:51,751 You're accusing Jimmy Cook of over 30 separate murders. 526 00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:56,131 And each time you change a statement and say you remember a new murder, 527 00:30:56,231 --> 00:30:58,451 it comes off the back of an Internet search 528 00:30:58,551 --> 00:31:00,852 on how to commit that particular type of murder. 529 00:31:00,952 --> 00:31:03,452 Disclosing this means that we can no longer 530 00:31:03,552 --> 00:31:05,912 put you forward as a witness of truth. 531 00:31:07,592 --> 00:31:10,772 And I'm afraid, Lindsey... I'm afraid we lost 532 00:31:10,872 --> 00:31:13,872 the only other witness who had evidence on Jimmy. 533 00:31:14,872 --> 00:31:16,872 So, your statement, 534 00:31:17,952 --> 00:31:19,892 that was all the prosecution had to go on. 535 00:31:19,992 --> 00:31:22,852 James Frederick William Cook. 536 00:31:22,952 --> 00:31:24,952 - No. - Stand, please. 537 00:31:27,032 --> 00:31:31,892 I direct a verdict of not guilty in respect of count one, 538 00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:34,072 and you are now free to go. 539 00:31:38,393 --> 00:31:41,853 No, no, no, no, no, no. What if he... 540 00:31:41,953 --> 00:31:45,373 Oh, shit! I'm now number one target. You know that? 541 00:31:45,473 --> 00:31:47,473 How could you let this happen? 542 00:31:49,113 --> 00:31:51,113 How could you let this happen?! 543 00:32:04,153 --> 00:32:07,393 - You take sugar? - Er, just half. 544 00:32:08,514 --> 00:32:11,314 And a splash of milk. Thanks. 545 00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:19,034 - Erm, how long you been here then? - Moved in a while ago. 546 00:32:20,074 --> 00:32:23,974 I know, I just haven't the time to... 547 00:32:24,074 --> 00:32:27,394 - There's a sofa coming. - Thanks. 548 00:32:28,594 --> 00:32:31,354 Yeah. I was actually pretty shocked when I heard. 549 00:32:32,514 --> 00:32:35,034 You and Jacqui always seemed... solid. 550 00:32:36,714 --> 00:32:38,714 Ah... 551 00:32:39,754 --> 00:32:41,695 Heard you and Vicky got married, that's great. 552 00:32:41,795 --> 00:32:44,695 We invited you to the wedding, but you never RSVP'd. 553 00:32:44,795 --> 00:32:46,795 Did you? 554 00:32:48,235 --> 00:32:50,475 I'm so... I'm so sorry. It's just that... 555 00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:55,015 I've been... I've been busy, frantic. Work, life. 556 00:32:55,115 --> 00:32:57,055 I know. 557 00:32:57,155 --> 00:32:59,255 It's what you get for having friends who are coppers. 558 00:32:59,355 --> 00:33:01,535 They disappear on you for years on end. 559 00:33:01,635 --> 00:33:03,635 So we're still pals? 560 00:33:07,595 --> 00:33:10,695 But that's not why you're here. You want something. 561 00:33:10,795 --> 00:33:13,015 Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have been in touch with us 562 00:33:13,115 --> 00:33:15,416 at Panorama. It's the hacking stuff. 563 00:33:15,516 --> 00:33:17,576 But there's also this story on Jonathan Rees 564 00:33:17,676 --> 00:33:21,216 that they've been pushing. I know you've been on Daniel Morgan, so... 565 00:33:21,316 --> 00:33:23,356 Rees is your bag, right? 566 00:33:25,916 --> 00:33:28,496 Oh, I'm sorry. We can talk about other things. 567 00:33:28,596 --> 00:33:31,176 I'll take my BBC hat off. 568 00:33:31,276 --> 00:33:33,276 Genuinely, wanted to see you. 569 00:33:35,876 --> 00:33:38,196 How are you, you know, 570 00:33:39,876 --> 00:33:41,380 coping? 571 00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:45,300 Well, it's strange. 572 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,740 House without kids, pretty quiet. 573 00:33:52,157 --> 00:33:55,037 Think I need to get better at filling in the time. 574 00:33:59,477 --> 00:34:01,417 We should be aiming for 575 00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:04,377 - a coalition of lawyers. - Coalition? Are we in government now? 576 00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:06,457 I have other friendly lawyers with very high profile clients. 577 00:34:06,557 --> 00:34:08,817 - I do actually know who you're... - With the Sky Andrew case 578 00:34:08,917 --> 00:34:10,977 still progressing under your watch, he's still not accepting their terms. 579 00:34:11,077 --> 00:34:13,017 - No. - Max Mosley has promised 580 00:34:13,117 --> 00:34:15,217 to financially back any client who comes forward. 581 00:34:15,317 --> 00:34:17,257 Surely we can encourage them all to come forward. 582 00:34:17,357 --> 00:34:19,357 Nick, breathe. Okay? 583 00:34:20,357 --> 00:34:24,138 You are constantly swaying between utter despair, 584 00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:26,458 and this. It's exhausting. 585 00:34:26,558 --> 00:34:28,538 The law takes time. 586 00:34:28,638 --> 00:34:31,538 We are building something. Let it fucking build. 587 00:34:31,638 --> 00:34:33,738 Stop worrying about the New York Times getting there before you. 588 00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:36,458 - This is your case. - Not worried about them. 589 00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:38,498 I don't have Sienna Miller as a client. 590 00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:40,578 You don't have Sean Hoare in your pocket. 591 00:34:40,678 --> 00:34:43,998 But we are all working together. Stop doing that thing with your hands. 592 00:34:45,358 --> 00:34:48,018 I have another one for you, a former politician. 593 00:34:48,118 --> 00:34:51,218 Apparently, he's had sight of Mulcaire's notebook. 594 00:34:51,318 --> 00:34:53,758 Now, I've been reluctant to share him because... 595 00:34:54,798 --> 00:34:58,679 Well, I think he's tricky. But you want everyone, so. 596 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,739 What I'm interested in is in Mulcaire's notebooks. 597 00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:05,419 I have no interest in what it shows but there'll be a name 598 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,219 at the top corner of the notes, someone at News of the World. 599 00:35:09,319 --> 00:35:11,539 Have you read 600 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,259 what the Guardian has written about me, about this case. 601 00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:17,979 Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case which became a perjury case. 602 00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:21,539 Process of disclosure on which allowed him access to Mulcaire 603 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,300 and to his paperwork. 604 00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:27,440 And he's right. The Guardian haven't been kind about him. 605 00:35:27,553 --> 00:35:30,374 What I'm looking to do is to build a case against 606 00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,561 Andy Coulson and the culture at the News of the World, 607 00:35:32,661 --> 00:35:35,361 - that the hacking was endemic. - Yes, there's a name. 608 00:35:35,461 --> 00:35:38,881 No, you can't see it. And you certainly can't print it. 609 00:35:38,981 --> 00:35:41,021 I don't trust journalists, Nick. 610 00:35:42,101 --> 00:35:45,121 - Not anymore. - Okay, the name is important because 611 00:35:45,221 --> 00:35:48,281 it undermines the one rogue reporter argument, 612 00:35:48,381 --> 00:35:50,881 which Coulson keeps hiding behind. The more 613 00:35:50,981 --> 00:35:53,241 editors and senior journalists we can implicate, 614 00:35:53,341 --> 00:35:55,341 the more we show them lying. 615 00:36:02,461 --> 00:36:06,780 - Greg Miskiw. - Greg Miskiw. Are you sure? 616 00:36:07,942 --> 00:36:10,122 I didn't tell you and you're not printing. 617 00:36:10,222 --> 00:36:13,162 Greg Miskiw was news editor and later assistant editor. 618 00:36:13,262 --> 00:36:15,802 He's retired now, but he reported directly to Coulson. 619 00:36:15,902 --> 00:36:18,482 - I know who Greg Miskiw is, Nick. - Do you know how significant this is? 620 00:36:18,582 --> 00:36:21,582 - This could blow the lid off. - This has to be off the record. 621 00:36:29,142 --> 00:36:31,922 Do I understand that you're representing yourself in court? 622 00:36:32,022 --> 00:36:33,962 - Yes. - What if I was to help you? 623 00:36:34,062 --> 00:36:36,402 Go on. 624 00:36:36,502 --> 00:36:39,563 There's very little I know a lot about, but this issue is one of them. 625 00:36:39,663 --> 00:36:43,043 I can feed you questions, help with your research, all for nothing. 626 00:36:43,143 --> 00:36:45,083 - For the name in the notebook? - That name is dynamite. 627 00:36:45,189 --> 00:36:47,169 Greg Miskiw is dynamite. 628 00:36:47,263 --> 00:36:49,923 And you can print it because it's been stated in court. 629 00:36:50,023 --> 00:36:52,263 And I have an idea who you should call as a witness. 630 00:36:53,555 --> 00:36:55,495 Go on. 631 00:36:55,583 --> 00:36:57,823 Andy Coulson. 632 00:36:59,183 --> 00:37:01,183 You're a traitor. 633 00:37:02,223 --> 00:37:04,803 Start by asking him about Greg Miskiw. 634 00:37:04,903 --> 00:37:06,980 He'll deny any knowledge. 635 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:10,123 Mr Coulson, these are the written notes 636 00:37:10,229 --> 00:37:13,730 of the former News of the World employee, Glenn Mulcaire. 637 00:37:13,824 --> 00:37:16,364 Contractor. Not employee. 638 00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:18,684 Mr Coulson, do you recognise the name 639 00:37:18,784 --> 00:37:21,284 at the top left-hand corner of the page? 640 00:37:21,384 --> 00:37:24,084 - It says, "Greg." - This is the big one. 641 00:37:24,184 --> 00:37:26,404 Do you think that name refers to 642 00:37:26,504 --> 00:37:29,244 the former assistant editor, Greg Miskiw? 643 00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:31,890 No. Not to my knowledge. No. 644 00:37:31,984 --> 00:37:35,404 Do you have any knowledge of Greg Miskiw ordering Glenn Mulcaire, 645 00:37:35,504 --> 00:37:37,644 to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone? 646 00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:40,030 Are you telling me that you never ordered, 647 00:37:40,104 --> 00:37:44,444 or were unaware of Greg Miskiw ordering Mr Mulcaire to tap my phone? 648 00:37:44,544 --> 00:37:47,525 No, I had absolutely no knowledge of it, and I... 649 00:37:47,625 --> 00:37:51,125 I... I certainly didn't instruct anyone to do anything of the type. 650 00:37:51,225 --> 00:37:55,765 Interesting, because Sean Hoare in the New York Times... 651 00:37:55,865 --> 00:37:58,845 ...stated that he played you hacked voice mails. 652 00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:01,205 I remain confident there is no evidence 653 00:38:01,305 --> 00:38:03,525 to support Mr Hoare's accusations. That's my position. 654 00:38:03,631 --> 00:38:05,571 Do you have any comment on why Mr Hoare 655 00:38:05,665 --> 00:38:08,205 - would have made those accusations? - You should ask Mr Hoare. 656 00:38:08,305 --> 00:38:10,525 How bad was the culture at your newspaper? 657 00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:12,765 I don't accept there was any culture 658 00:38:12,865 --> 00:38:14,885 of phone hacking at the News of The World. 659 00:38:14,985 --> 00:38:19,045 There was one unfortunate case involving Clive Goodman, 660 00:38:19,145 --> 00:38:22,886 and no one was more sorry about it than me. 661 00:38:22,986 --> 00:38:25,886 And that's why I resigned. 662 00:38:25,986 --> 00:38:27,926 Tommy Sheridan? 663 00:38:28,026 --> 00:38:30,566 We got Miskiw's name out there. 664 00:38:30,666 --> 00:38:33,306 It wasn't enough, but we're rattling Coulson's cage. 665 00:38:34,386 --> 00:38:36,926 Well, let's see if this sends him over the edge. 666 00:38:37,026 --> 00:38:39,606 This was lodged in the high court this morning. 667 00:38:39,706 --> 00:38:41,966 Worth mentioning, in real life, he made me go to the courthouse 668 00:38:42,066 --> 00:38:44,046 to pick this up myself. 669 00:38:44,146 --> 00:38:46,086 Possibly not worth mentioning. 670 00:38:46,186 --> 00:38:49,686 - Mulcaire blagged her phone number. - I changed my phone twice, 671 00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:51,806 and somehow they always got it. 672 00:38:51,906 --> 00:38:53,847 It wasn't just her phone they were inside of. 673 00:38:53,947 --> 00:38:56,407 They targeted Sienna's mother, her boyfriend, 674 00:38:56,507 --> 00:38:58,447 his assistant, her publicist. 675 00:38:58,547 --> 00:39:01,967 We analysed my itemised phone bills and then we used them, 676 00:39:02,067 --> 00:39:04,967 to force the police to hand over calls made by Mulcaire. 677 00:39:05,073 --> 00:39:07,533 The police were sitting on this information for four years, 678 00:39:07,627 --> 00:39:11,327 I'll remind you. John Yates, four years. 679 00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:15,680 And then we linked them to the News of the World stories. 680 00:39:15,747 --> 00:39:19,327 There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes. 681 00:39:19,427 --> 00:39:21,367 A name we haven't had before? 682 00:39:21,486 --> 00:39:23,466 A name that could change everything. 683 00:39:23,547 --> 00:39:25,547 Tell me the name. 684 00:39:27,508 --> 00:39:30,128 - Ian Edmondson. - Ian Edmondson? 685 00:39:30,228 --> 00:39:32,928 - He reported directly to Coulson. - Ian Edmondson is the current 686 00:39:33,028 --> 00:39:35,228 news editor of the News of the World. 687 00:40:04,629 --> 00:40:06,989 Just heard. Good work, Nick. 688 00:40:28,549 --> 00:40:33,415 Sheridan? 689 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,690 Oh, Nick. I couldn't get through to you. 690 00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:38,170 - So, well, I don't know how... - Is it the kids? 691 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:40,330 No. No, no. Erm... 692 00:40:40,702 --> 00:40:45,422 It's about your father. God, I'm so sorry, Nick. 693 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:08,800 Yeah, Graham? 694 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:11,380 We found two crates in an old DPS office. 695 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:15,701 A cleaner found them. It's old evidence on James Ward. 696 00:41:20,101 --> 00:41:23,601 But we told the judge we declared everything on Ward. 697 00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,701 I'm sorry. 698 00:41:28,741 --> 00:41:30,741 Huh, bye then. 699 00:41:32,061 --> 00:41:34,061 Now this is the end, right? 700 00:41:35,141 --> 00:41:38,061 Do you want the official answer or the honest answer? 701 00:41:39,181 --> 00:41:41,221 We don't survive this. 702 00:41:43,141 --> 00:41:45,141 I don't understand. 703 00:41:46,181 --> 00:41:48,442 How can they accuse us of withholding evidence 704 00:41:48,542 --> 00:41:50,962 when you didn't even know that the crates existed? 705 00:41:51,062 --> 00:41:55,162 It was a disused police building. Nothing to do with your team, right? 706 00:41:55,262 --> 00:41:57,202 Yeah. 707 00:41:57,302 --> 00:42:00,142 The office was locked for years. Nobody knew anything about it. 708 00:42:01,862 --> 00:42:03,802 But even if we could make the case 709 00:42:03,902 --> 00:42:06,062 that we weren't withholding the files, 710 00:42:07,142 --> 00:42:09,082 the contents... 711 00:42:09,182 --> 00:42:11,322 The details about James Ward 712 00:42:11,422 --> 00:42:13,842 that he didn't originally disclose to us... 713 00:42:13,942 --> 00:42:16,922 If we'd have had the files earlier, 714 00:42:17,022 --> 00:42:19,922 we may have been able to deal with it, 715 00:42:20,022 --> 00:42:22,943 but all of it together, it's... 716 00:42:24,023 --> 00:42:26,823 Years and years and years, gone. 717 00:42:28,703 --> 00:42:31,263 All because someone left some files in the wrong room. 718 00:42:34,623 --> 00:42:36,623 It's like everyone forgot. 719 00:42:37,743 --> 00:42:39,743 All the people in their court. 720 00:42:41,463 --> 00:42:43,543 This was supposed to be about Daniel. 721 00:43:04,864 --> 00:43:06,864 Hi. 722 00:43:11,784 --> 00:43:13,884 - You okay? - Yeah. 723 00:43:13,984 --> 00:43:16,084 I really loved him. 724 00:43:16,184 --> 00:43:18,864 - I know. - He was everything. 725 00:43:21,224 --> 00:43:23,224 It was complicated, but I really loved him. 726 00:43:25,544 --> 00:43:29,004 "The Lord is my Shepherd. I shall not want. 727 00:43:29,104 --> 00:43:31,925 "He makes me lie down in green pastures, 728 00:43:32,025 --> 00:43:34,025 "He leads me beside still waters. 729 00:43:35,025 --> 00:43:37,165 "He restores my soul, 730 00:43:37,512 --> 00:43:40,352 "He leads me in right paths for His name's sake. 731 00:43:41,145 --> 00:43:45,405 "Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no evil, 732 00:43:45,505 --> 00:43:48,965 "For You are with me, Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. 733 00:43:49,065 --> 00:43:51,005 "They comfort me. 734 00:43:51,105 --> 00:43:54,865 "You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies, 735 00:43:56,105 --> 00:43:58,725 "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me 736 00:43:58,825 --> 00:44:01,285 "all the days of my life, 737 00:44:01,385 --> 00:44:05,466 "and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord, my whole life long." 738 00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:17,066 Hi. 739 00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:26,486 On the 14th of January, 2011, Rebekah Brooks asked her secretary 740 00:44:26,586 --> 00:44:30,566 to find somewhere discreet for her to meet Andy Coulson. 741 00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:33,326 She did so the next day, at 7:45 am. 742 00:44:33,426 --> 00:44:35,646 At the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia. 743 00:44:35,746 --> 00:44:38,607 We don't know what Brooks said to Coulson during that meeting 744 00:44:38,707 --> 00:44:43,547 but we do know that on the 21st of January, Andy Coulson resigned. 745 00:44:44,627 --> 00:44:47,567 He said, "Unfortunately, continued coverage of events 746 00:44:47,667 --> 00:44:50,607 - connected to my old job... - ...at the News of the World, 747 00:44:50,707 --> 00:44:54,367 has made it difficult for me to give the 110% needed in this role. 748 00:44:54,467 --> 00:44:57,027 I stand by what I said about those events. 749 00:44:58,227 --> 00:45:01,167 But when a spokesman needs a spokesman, 750 00:45:01,267 --> 00:45:03,387 it's time to move on. Thank you. 751 00:45:06,307 --> 00:45:08,547 Thank you. 752 00:45:17,348 --> 00:45:20,408 This is the end of a long, 753 00:45:20,508 --> 00:45:23,608 and as I am sure everyone associated with this case will agree, 754 00:45:23,708 --> 00:45:25,648 exhausting road. 755 00:45:25,748 --> 00:45:28,408 In all the years, that I have been a judge, 756 00:45:28,508 --> 00:45:30,608 I have never come across a case 757 00:45:30,708 --> 00:45:32,768 in which there have been so many issues 758 00:45:32,868 --> 00:45:35,808 or such complex issues to be resolved 759 00:45:35,908 --> 00:45:38,848 before a trial could even get underway. 760 00:45:38,948 --> 00:45:43,968 The family will inevitably be disappointed by the outcome. 761 00:45:44,068 --> 00:45:47,809 But they, I think, should be commended 762 00:45:47,909 --> 00:45:51,829 on the dignity with which they have faced these proceedings. 763 00:45:52,869 --> 00:45:58,049 Mr Rees, Mr Fillery, Mr Glenn Vian, 764 00:45:58,149 --> 00:46:00,709 Mr Garry Vian, please stand. 765 00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:08,529 You are free to go. 766 00:46:08,629 --> 00:46:11,409 Verdicts of not guilty have been entered 767 00:46:11,509 --> 00:46:15,009 in all of your cases. 768 00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:17,349 Thank you, all. 769 00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,750 Court rise. 770 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:31,310 Your dad. Yeah. 771 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:35,230 - He was a nice man. - You didn't know him. 772 00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:38,830 You made him sound nice. 773 00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:44,950 And... 774 00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:48,330 To Andy Coulson. 775 00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:50,630 May he disappear and never come back. 776 00:46:54,751 --> 00:46:57,211 I may as well tell you, we're reporting it. 777 00:46:57,311 --> 00:46:59,411 Tomorrow. 778 00:46:59,511 --> 00:47:02,851 Murdoch's going for full control of BSkyB. 779 00:47:02,951 --> 00:47:06,811 I did hear it was possible. 780 00:47:06,911 --> 00:47:10,451 If he gets that, he'll be able to leverage a serious amount of debt. 781 00:47:10,551 --> 00:47:12,791 Buy more, buy bigger. 782 00:47:13,791 --> 00:47:18,631 - We're talking world domination. - Why are you telling me this? 783 00:47:21,231 --> 00:47:23,211 To remind you it's not over. 784 00:47:23,311 --> 00:47:26,892 Remind me that they cut Coulson loose 785 00:47:26,992 --> 00:47:29,612 to save their BSkyB business. 786 00:47:29,712 --> 00:47:33,652 - It's... It's all a false victory. - Not false at all. 787 00:47:33,752 --> 00:47:37,512 Dissection is a slow process. We tackle them 788 00:47:39,152 --> 00:47:42,832 One limb at a time, and eventually they run out of limbs. 789 00:47:43,872 --> 00:47:45,872 Do they? 790 00:47:47,512 --> 00:47:49,812 I'm tired, Alan. 791 00:47:49,912 --> 00:47:52,492 - I wanna go home. - Agreed. 792 00:47:52,592 --> 00:47:55,732 We rest, we lick our wounds. We take stock. 793 00:47:55,832 --> 00:47:57,832 No, I don't... 794 00:48:01,233 --> 00:48:03,853 I... I don't think... I think on this story, 795 00:48:03,953 --> 00:48:06,413 I think you need to find someone to take over. 796 00:48:06,513 --> 00:48:10,473 Sometimes you need to know when to stop. 797 00:48:13,473 --> 00:48:15,553 It's time to stop. I need to stop. 798 00:48:18,913 --> 00:48:20,913 Sorry. 799 00:48:51,874 --> 00:48:54,334 And I thought a bit of fresh air might be in order. 800 00:48:54,434 --> 00:48:57,294 - No, I'm fine. - You're not. 801 00:48:57,394 --> 00:48:59,374 I'm all right. 802 00:48:59,474 --> 00:49:01,474 No, you're not, mate. 803 00:49:02,634 --> 00:49:04,854 Someone I want you to meet. 804 00:49:04,954 --> 00:49:08,035 He helped me. I think he can help you. 805 00:49:09,515 --> 00:49:12,315 Get showered, get dressed. Not leaving till you do it. 806 00:49:14,515 --> 00:49:16,515 I'm serious. 807 00:49:19,875 --> 00:49:21,875 Okay. 808 00:49:54,636 --> 00:49:56,576 Glen. 809 00:49:56,676 --> 00:49:59,496 David Cook, Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown, David Cook. 810 00:49:59,596 --> 00:50:01,736 I know a lot about you, DCS Cook. 811 00:50:01,836 --> 00:50:03,776 I appreciate you coming all this way. 812 00:50:03,876 --> 00:50:05,816 It's no problem. 813 00:50:05,916 --> 00:50:08,296 I'm interested in hearing more about what's happened to you. 814 00:50:08,396 --> 00:50:11,156 I, er... I think I might be able to help. 815 00:50:13,413 --> 00:50:16,373 Sub extracted from file & improved by Se7enOfNin9 for addic7ed.com 66813

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