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CHECK YOUR TUNE, AND WE'LL DO IT.

OKAY.

WE'LL COME IN AT THE FIRST VERSE

AND GO RIGHT THROUGH TO THE SECOND CHORUS,

AND THEN WE'LL COME OUT, OKAY?

OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

I WANT YOU TO PUSH IT A BIT ON THIS.

OKAY, I'LL TRY.

♪ IN EVERY NOWHERE TOWN

♪ THERE ARE SOMEWHERE DREAMS... ♪

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THE GIFT THAT RON HAS.

HE HAS AN ABILITY TO SEE A TINY SNAPSHOT OF A FEELING,

AND THEN HE WILL TAKE THAT SNAPSHOT,

AND EXPAND UPON IT,

AND DELIVER A BEAUTIFUL SONG.

♪ WE'LL SEE OURSELVES DEFINED

♪ BY HOW WE EMBRACE...

IT'S GOING TO BE NICE.

ONE MORE. HERE WE GO.

THE SONGS ARE LIKE POLAROIDS.

♪ IT FILLS THE HEART WITH SILVER STARS ♪

♪ THAT'S WHERE MY LOVE SHINES... ♪

YEAH, I KNOW A HANDFUL OF WRITERS

THAT CONSISTENTLY COME UP WITH FAIRLY ORIGINAL MELODIES,

AND I MEAN FAIRLY ORIGINAL MELODIES.

BUT RON HAS, YOU KNOW,

MELODY AFTER MELODY AFTER MELODY,

AND IT MAKES ME JEALOUS.

I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY.

RON?

YES?

I THINK YOU SHOULD PLAY THAT ON ELECTRIC.

OH, OKAY.

♪ THE LIGHT APPEARS IN HAPPY TEARS ♪

♪ THAT'S WHERE MY LOVE SHINES

IT'S THE MOST ENVIABLE ABILITY HE HAS.

LIKE, IT'S UNPARALLELED.

YOU CANNOT FUCK WITH IT.

I MEAN, HE'S A CRAZY SONGWRITER.

HEY, BOB.

HOW YOU DOING?

GOOD.

COME OUT OF BUS 1 AND 2 INTO THE COMPRESSOR...

OKAY...

THERE IS A SONG I WROTE,

I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD HAVE

ANY MORE THAN WE'RE PLAYING TO RECORD

IN CASE ONE OF THESE DOESN'T WORK OUT

OR ANYTHING.

COULD I PLAY IT

TO SEE IF IT'S WORTH WORKING ON OR NOT?

YEAH, YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

♪ JUST A STONE'S THROW FROM HERE TO ETERNITY ♪

♪ FROM THE BACK ROAD TO WHERE I LONG TO BE ♪

♪ BUT THE WORLD HAS CHANGED LEAVING ONLY THE TRUTH INTACT ♪

♪ THEY SAY IT'S A GAME TO ME IT MEANS MORE THAN THAT ♪

♪ FROM A TURNTABLE TO THE PHONE ♪

♪ FROM A REVOLUTION TO A RINGTONE ♪

♪ I'M A LATE BLOOMER

♪ I'M A SLOW LEARNER

♪ BUT I'VE TURNED THE RECORD OVER ♪

♪ I'M A LONG PLAYER

♪ MY SONG IS MY SAVIOUR

♪ GOT TO RAISE IT UP

♪ AS FAR AS MY SPIRIT CAN REACH ♪

♪ SO EVERYONE MIGHT SEE

♪ I'M A LATE BLOOMER...

ANYWAY THAT WAS THE GIST OF IT.

I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE IT FINISHED

LIKE THE OTHER ONES, BUT...

I LIKE IT.

YEAH, BUT ANYWAY--

I LIKE IT A LOT.

I HAD KIND OF FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT,

AND I WAS BANGING AWAY ON THE PIANO,

AND I JUST SORT OF REMEMBERED IT, SO...

OKAY, WELL, WE SHOULD WORK THAT UP, TOO.

MY CAREER,

IT'S NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE CULT FOLLOWING,

OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

THE LAST BUNCH OF RECORDS THAT I MADE, YOU KNOW,

I KNOW I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH.

THEY KIND OF CAME AND WENT PRETTY FAST,

AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND A PRODUCER

WHO COULD HELP ME BREAK THROUGH IN SOME WAY,

AND I JUST GOT THIS IDEA IN MY HEAD,

YOU KNOW, "WHY NOT BOB ROCK?"

WITH RON, RIGHT AWAY

YOU KNOW THAT HE'S KIND OF DOWN ON HIMSELF

AND KIND OF LIKE, "EVERYBODY RESPECTS ME,

BUT I JUST WANT MY SONG ON THE RADIO."

I GET THAT.

IS THERE A BRIDGE?

UH, NO,

BUT IT WAS JUST BASICALLY,

THERE WAS A SHORT SOLO,

THEN KIND OF ANOTHER PRE-CHORUS

AND THEN THE CHORUS.

SO TRY PUTTING--

TRY PUTTING THAT IN AS A BRIDGE.

OKAY.

BOB ROCK'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST PRODUCERS

IN CONTEMPORARY POPULAR MUSIC.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, ONE MORE TIME FROM THE TOP.

HE'S GOT AN INCREDIBLE TRACK RECORD

OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE WHOEVER HE IS WORKING WITH

AND MAKING THEM AS COMMERCIAL AS POSSIBLE.

I REALLY LIKE THAT.

YEAH?

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN,

JUST A MUSICAL THING TO SET UP THE LAST CHORUS.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

NO, THAT'S AWESOME, YEAH.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE ARRANGEMENT NOW.

WHEN I HEARD

THAT RON WAS MAKING THE NEXT RECORD WITH BOB ROCK

I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY ODD CHOICE.

BOB'S BACKGROUND HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY HEAVY ROCK,

METALLICA,

AND HERE HE IS TAKING ON RON SEXSMITH,

A BALLADEER, A SINGER-SONGWRITER.

THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE.

I MEAN, WORKING WITH BOB, WHO'S HAD ALL THIS SUCCESS,

AND I FEEL THAT IF THIS RECORD ISN'T SUCCESSFUL IN SOME WAY,

THAT MAYBE I SHOULD JUST...

THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD MEAN

IT WAS TIME FOR ME TO STEP ASIDE FOR A WHILE.

THIS IS PROBABLY RON'S LAST CHANCE

TO GET SOMEONE AS BIG AS BOB ROCK.

A PRODUCER DOESN'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND THAT HE WAVES.

I CAN ONLY BRING OUT THE BEST OF WHAT'S THERE.

♪ AT ONE GLANCE

♪ THEY DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH BY HALF... ♪

THREE MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS

IS THE ONLY THING

THAT KEEPS RON AWAY FROM BEING A MAJOR TALENT.

IT'S THAT 3:30 SONG

THAT HE JUST HASN'T WRITTEN YET,

OR IT HASN'T BEEN RECORDED YET.

♪ ...I'M A SMALL PLAYER

♪ REALLY TALL ORDER

♪ TO COME OUT ON TOP

♪ AND ALL WITHOUT TELLING A SOUL ♪

♪ THAT'S HOW A FLOWER GROWS

♪ AND I'M A LATE BLOOMER...

♪ I WOKE UP ON GALBRAITH STREET ♪

♪ WHERE THE HOUSES STOOD LIKE TWINS... ♪

GALBRAITH STREET WAS THE STREET

THAT I SPENT MOST OF MY CHILDHOOD.

FROM MAYBE 2 OR 3 TO...

UP UNTIL AGE 9, I THINK.

♪ ...FOR IN DAYDREAMS MY MIND RETURNS ♪

♪ LIKE A GHOST UPON THE HILL

♪ AS I KNELT UPON...

THIS IS MY OLD HOUSE HERE.

SO THAT WAS MY ROOM RIGHT THERE.

SO, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, RIGHT THERE.

IT WAS THIS NEW KIND OF GOVERNMENT HOUSING

FOR LOW-INCOME FAMILIES.

AT THAT POINT, I KNEW I LIKED TO SING,

BUT I WASN'T WRITING SONGS OR ANYTHING.

THE THING THAT REALLY KIND OF STARTED IT FOR ME WAS,

MY MOM HAD A BOX OF 45s

THAT I WAS ALLOWED TO GET MY HANDS ON AND PLAY.

WHETHER IT WAS JOHNNY CASH,

OR MAYBE IT WAS LITTLE ANTHONY AND THE IMPERIALS

OR WHOEVER IT WAS,

AND IT MADE ME WONDER IF I HAD MY OWN VOICE,

AND TRYING TO SING AT A VERY EARLY AGE

AND TRYING TO HEAR WHAT KIND OF SOUND I WAS MAKING.

♪ ...YOU BELIEVE IN EVERY WORD

♪ NOW I'M HOLDING ON TO ALL THOSE YEARS ♪

♪ LIKE A TEAR BEFORE IT FALLS ON HER... ♪

MY DAD WASN'T REALLY IN THE PICTURE.

HE WORKED IN HIS LATER YEARS AS A TRUCKER,

SO HE WAS ALWAYS GONE,

BUT I THINK THE RECORDS WERE PROBABLY HIS,

AND, IN SOME WAY,

THAT WAS MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY DAD, I THINK,

WAS THE 45s.

I JUST REMEMBER ONE TIME

THERE WAS A KID THAT WAS CHASING ME.

IT MUST'VE BEEN GRADE ONE OR SOMETHING.

HE HAD ME KIND OF LIKE THIS,

LIKE OVER THE RAILING,

AND I TURN AND MY GLASSES HAD FELL

AND SMASHED DOWN THERE,

AND MY MOM WASN'T TOO IMPRESSED, YOU KNOW?

WITH THE KID.

I DON'T THINK I EVER DID WELL IN SCHOOL.

IT WASN'T THAT I FAILED A LOT OF CLASSES.

I JUST COULDN'T CONCENTRATE ON IT.

I USED TO SPEND

A LOT OF TIME IN THIS ROOM,

IT HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL, REALLY.

THEY PUT ME DOWN INTO KIND OF A SPECIAL GRADE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY SORT OF PUT ME BACK,

THEY PUT ME INTO AN OLDER CREATIVE WRITING CLASS.

I GUESS THEY WANTED TO SEE

WHAT I WAS SPACING OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW?

AND IT WAS GOOD FOR ME,

BECAUSE I GOT A CHANCE TO WRITE A LOT OF STORIES,

AND MY FIRST ATTEMPTS AT WRITING ANYTHING, I THINK.

THERE WILL BE TIMES I'LL GET A MELODY IN MY HEAD,

LIKE, IT'LL JUST COME OUT OF THE BLUE,

AND THEN SOMEONE WILL COME ALONG AND TALK TO ME,

AND I'LL FORGET IT, YOU KNOW?

AND I'LL BE ALL LIKE "OH, WHAT WAS THAT MELODY?"

BUT THE WEIRD THING IS,

IT'LL COME BACK,

AND THAT'S THE THING I FIND MAGICAL.

I WAS ALWAYS OFF SOMEWHERE IN SPACE,

YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOT OF KIDS.

I WAS LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW,

MY MIND WAS ANYPLACE OTHER THAN SCHOOL, YOU KNOW.

I DO REMEMBER WHEN THEY'RE CALLING YOUR NAME,

AND YOU KIND OF SNAP OUT OF IT,

AND THERE'S ALL THESE PEOPLE STARING AT YOU AND LAUGHING,

YOU KNOW, KIDS LAUGHING AT YOU AND STUFF,

AND I THINK THERE HAD BEEN SOME LETTERS SENT TO MY MOM

ABOUT...

THAT I WAS DAYDREAMING,

OR I WASN'T CONCENTRATING OR SOMETHING.

I JUST LOVE THIS ONE.

THIS ONE OF HIM RIGHT THERE.

I DON'T REMEMBER HOW OLD HE WAS,

BUT I JUST LOVE THAT PICTURE OF HIM.

HE WAS ALMOST 18

WHEN HE FIRST STARTED PLAYING WITH HIS GUITAR.

YOU KNOW, HE'D GO OFF,

KIND OF A LONER, ALWAYS THINKING,

HE'D BE WALKING THE STREETS

AND HUM A LITTLE SONG,

SOMETHING WOULD COME TO HIS HEAD.

HE'D BE WRITING, PUTTING WORDS DOWN.

♪ AS THE...

♪ RED AND GOLD BRICK HOUSES STOOD ♪

♪ UNDERNEATH THE CRIMSON SKY

♪ THAT BLED...

SO LET'S GO FROM THE TOP.

♪ IT'S JUST A STONE'S THROW

♪ FROM HERE TO ETERNITY

♪ FROM THE BACK ROAD

♪ TO WHERE I LONG TO BE...

RON SEXSMITH IS A NAME

THAT IF YOU'RE AT ALL INVOLVED IN MUSIC,

YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.

HE'S PART OF A GREAT CANADIAN TRADITION,

THAT MAYBE WE CAN TRACE BACK TO EVEN WILF CARTER

AND HANK SNOW,

BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN TAKE BACK TO '60s ICONS

LIKE GORDON LIGHTFOOT, LEONARD COHEN, NEIL YOUNG,

JONI MITCHELL, ROBBIE ROBERTSON,

AND '70s ICONS LIKE BRUCE COCKBURN

AND MURRAY McLAUCHLAN.

RON'S IN THAT VEIN.

PEOPLE WHO DO GET THE RON BUG

BECOME FANATICS,

AND THAT'S HOW AN ARTIST LIKE HIM

BEGINS TO GARNER AN AUDIENCE.

UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE INTO RON TALK ABOUT HIM CONSTANTLY,

ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO TURN PEOPLE ONTO HIM.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A RON SEXSMITH CULT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE MY 12th RECORD.

THE LAST RECORD,

I FELT AS THOUGH WE GOT IT RIGHT,

BUT IT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW...

DIDN'T DO VERY WELL.

UM...

THE CHALLENGE FOR BOB ROCK,

IF YOU REALLY WANT RON TO HAVE A BIG HIT,

IS HOW TO TAKE THIS SENSE OF SUBTLETY,

SENSE OF UNASSUMING-NESS,

SENSE OF QUIETUDE,

ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE PART OF RON'S ART,

AND TURN THEM INSIDE OUT.

♪ ...AND I'M A LATE BLOOMER

♪ I'M A SLOW LEARNER

♪ BUT I'VE TURNED THE RECORD OVER ♪

♪ I'M A LONG PLAYER

♪ MY SONG IS MY SAVIOUR

♪ GOT TO RAISE IT UP

♪ AS FAR AS MY SPIRIT CAN REACH ♪

♪ THAT EVERYONE MIGHT SEE

A COUPLE THINGS.

THIS SECOND VERSE, UH,

DON'T COME IN TOO LIGHT ON THE SNARE.

OKAY.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE I THINK THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE

A LITTLE BEEFIER ON SOME OF THE FILLS.

LIKE, I NEED YOU TO KIND OF SIGNAL

THIS IS A MUSICAL BRIDGE.

YEAH, AFTER THE VOCALS...

BOB BROUGHT IN SOME AMAZING MUSICIANS.

YOU KNOW, TOP-NOTCH PLAYERS.

WE PLAYED THEM THE DEMO,

AND THEY KNOW THEIR INSTRUMENTS SO WELL,

THAT THEY, UM...

THEY CAN JUST KIND OF

PUT IT TOGETHER REALLY QUICKLY.

MAYBE GO BACK TO SIDE STICK IN THIS VERSE,

THEN SNARE DRUM COME IN ON THE PRE-CHORUS.

WE HEAR THE SONG FOR THE FIRST TIME,

LITERALLY, JUST BEFORE WE GO INTO THE ROOM AND PLAY IT.

THERE'S A LOT OF VERSE, YOU SEE,

SO, INSTRUMENTALLY, WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF PICK IT UP

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SECOND VERSE.

TOP OF THE SECOND VERSE AGAIN.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

♪ AT ONE GLANCE

♪ THEY DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH BY HALF... ♪

♪ I'M A LONG PLAYER

♪ WITH A TALL ORDER

BECAUSE IT'S A "B" NOTE,

IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CHORD.

A "B" OVER IT, SO IT'S A NINE.

♪ ORDER...

YEAH, TRY THAT.

I CAN TRY THAT.

MY SON WAS BORN IN '85.

I WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT 20 OR SOMETHING.

THAT ALL KIND OF CAME OUT OF

THIS TREE-PLANTING THING I DID.

♪ SO YOUNG

♪ SO YOUNG AT THE START...

I WENT UP THERE AND I MET JOCELYN,

MY FIRST WIFE,

AND GOT HER PREGNANT,

AND I WAS, LIKE, 19 OR WHATEVER,

AND THAT WAS...

THAT WAS PROBABLY MY FIRST SEXUAL EXPERIENCE, TOO.

SO, I MEAN, FIRST TRY, YOU KNOW?

JOCELYN WAS PROBABLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS PREGNANT

AT THE TIME,

AND I HAD ACTUALLY GONE TO TELL HER

THAT I DIDN'T THINK I COULD GO THROUGH WITH IT,

AND I REMEMBER WE WERE DRIVING DOWN THIS ROAD,

IT WAS AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME,

WE PULLED THE CAR OVER,

AND WE BOTH SAW A FALLING STAR,

AND I'D NEVER SEEN ONE BEFORE.

I REMEMBER WE TURNED ON THE RADIO,

AND MAHALIA JACKSON WAS SINGING,

LIKE, A CHRISTMAS SONG.

I THINK IT WAS "SILENT NIGHT,"

AND, ALL OF A SUDDEN, I COULDN'T TELL HER ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME WEIRD THING

THAT WAS ALMOST TELLING ME TO KIND OF GO THROUGH WITH IT.

♪ LA, LA, LA, LA

♪ IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT TIME ♪

♪ CAN HEAL US ALL INSIDE

♪ AND BRING TO LIGHT

♪ THESE FEELINGS THAT HAVE DIED ♪

♪ REMEMBERING THE WAY WE FELT ABOUT EACH OTHER... ♪

I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO WHAT MY DAD HAD DONE IN A WAY,

YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO ACTUALLY TRY TO BE A FATHER

AT THAT POINT.

♪ ...SO YOUNG

♪ SO YOUNG AT THE END...

AND I ALWAYS FELT THAT AS SOON AS MY SON WAS BORN,

ALL OF A SUDDEN,

I STARTED GETTING THESE IDEAS FOR SONGS,

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS ALMOST,

YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF...

I DON'T KNOW, NOT REWARD,

BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR DOING SOMETHING FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE

THAT WASN'T SELFISH.

♪ HE DON'T KNOW HOW TO LIE

♪ OR UNDERMINE YOU

♪ HE DON'T KNOW HOW TO STEAL

♪ HOW TO DEAL OR DECEIVE

♪ SO LEAVE HIM ALONE

♪ SET HIM FREE

♪ 'CAUSE HE'S SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL ♪

♪ SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL

♪ THAT ONLY HE CAN SEE...

"SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL"

ADDRESSES INSPIRATION,

AND WE NEVER KNOW

WHERE INSPIRATION IS GOING TO COME FROM.

I LIKE THAT RON FOUND A WAY

OF TALKING ABOUT, UM...

HIS NEWBORN,

AS IF TO SAY,

"IF YOU JUST SHUT UP FOR A WHILE,

YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, A CONNECTION TO AN ETERNITY"

THAT HE FELT BY LOOKING IN THE EYES OF HIS CHILD.

♪ LEAVE HIM ALONE

♪ LET HIM BE

♪ 'CAUSE HE'S SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL ♪

♪ SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL

♪ THAT ONLY HE CAN SEE...

THE FIRST MEMORY I CAN REALLY REMEMBER OF MY LIFE,

UH, I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS OLD,

I REMEMBER MY FATHER, HE PUT ON A WOODY ALLEN MASK

AND LOOKED AT ME,

AND I STARTED BAWLING MY EYES OUT.

WE'D GO OUT TO THE BEACH AND STUFF,

HANG OUT, SPEND TIME TOGETHER.

THEY WERE GOOD YEARS.

NO, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF SURREAL

THAT I COULD BE THE INSPIRATION TO HIS WORK.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY CRAZY.

MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.

♪ ...IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB ♪

♪ HE THAT NEVER LAYS BLAME

♪ HE DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS NAME

♪ SO LEAVE HIM ALONE

♪ SET HIM FREE...

IF THERE'S ONE THING I WANT MY DAD TO KNOW,

IT'S THAT I LOVE HIM AND RESPECT HIM.

I'M SURE IT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO HIM.

♪ SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL

♪ OR THE VERY ONE THAT SPOKE TO YOU AND ME... ♪

PART OF ME WISHES THAT ME AND MY DAD WERE CLOSER,

BUT I DON'T REALLY DWELL ON THAT STUFF.

I'M A GROWN MAN NOW,

SO I'VE JUST GOT TO MOVE ON AND DO MY OWN THING.

OKAY.

ONE, TWO...

♪ NOWADAYS I HEAR YOUR HEART

♪ BEATING WHEN I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ♪

♪ AND EVERYWHERE I GO

♪ THERE'S LOVE IN HAND

♪ NOWADAYS I FEEL YOUR ARMS

♪ WRAP AROUND MY FEARS IN THE NIGHT ♪

♪ AND WHEN I'M FAR AWAY

♪ I'M EMBRACED IN LIGHT...

IT'S STRESSFUL, RECORDING, YOU KNOW?

IT'S NOT MY FAVOURITE THING IN THE WORLD TO DO,

THAT'S FOR SURE.

THERE'S SO MUCH THAT CAN GO WRONG, YOU KNOW?

♪ ...PEERING THROUGH THE EYE OF A STORM ♪

♪ AND LEADS ME TO A PLACE--

OH, I'M SORRY.

LET'S START OVER AGAIN. I'M SORRY.

DID MY VOCAL COME DOWN?

IT CAME DOWN A BIT, RIGHT?

♪ NOWADAYS

♪ I HEAR YOUR HEART--

WE'RE REALLY BEHIND ON VOCALS.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT SIX SONGS WE'VE GOT TO SING.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE GOT

A GOOD FIRST VERSE YET OR ANYTHING, BUT...

LET'S TAKE A MINUTE.

GOING IN THE STUDIO WITH BOB WAS, UM...

YOU KNOW, IT FELT LIKE I WAS TAKING A BIG CHANCE.

I MEAN, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT WAS INSANE.

EVERYTHING WAS UNREALISTIC.

WHEN THE MENTION OF WORKING WITH BOB ROCK

CAME INTO THE PICTURE,

I WAS, UM, A LITTLE ILL AT EASE.

UM, I LOVE BOB ROCK.

I LOVE EVERYTHING HE DOES.

I LIKE HARD MUSIC.

I ALSO FIGURED HE COST A PRETTY PENNY.

SO THE IDEA IS

IS THIS SHOULD BE KIND OF LOOKING...

SO THIS, KIND OF?

YEAH, KIND OF LOOKING RIGHT AROUND THERE.

RIGHT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

DO YOU WANT TO JUST TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT THE WHOLE THING?

YEAH, I'LL TAKE A STAB, YEAH.

I THINK YOU'RE A LITTLE SHY OF YOUR WORDS,

AND THEY NEED THE ANIMATION TO WORK.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, HERE WE GO.

THERE'S A FINANCIAL STRUGGLE,

LIKE, RON GOES TO THE LAUNDROMAT.

WE DON'T HAVE A WASHER AND DRYER,

AND PEOPLE GET EXCITED AND ASK HIM FOR HIS AUTOGRAPH,

AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE,

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT THE LAUNDROMAT?

YOU'RE RON SEXSMITH."

♪ USED TO BE I FELT SO ALL ALONE ♪

♪ USED TO BE I DEALT WITH PANIC ON MY OWN ♪

♪ BUT NOWADAYS

♪ I HEAR YOUR SONG

♪ RINGING THROUGH MY HEART AND SOUL... ♪

TO MAKE THIS RECORD,

HE'S GOT A BIT OF MONEY KICKED IN FROM THE LABEL.

THERE'S AN ADVANCE FROM THE PUBLISHING,

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT COMES OUT OF OUR POCKET.

I JUST LIKE I NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING RADICAL

OR DRASTIC, YOU KNOW?

I NEEDED TO HAVE A BIG DREAM,

AND I NEED TO STEP UP.

I NEEDED TO CHANGE MY HEAD.

LET'S RUN IT DOWN

ONE MORE TIME.

WE WERE ON OUR WAY TO SEE SACRED REICH,

IT WAS A SPEED METAL PILGRIMAGE IN 1989.

I WAS IN TORONTO,

AND WE STOPPED AT THE EL MOCAMBO,

YOU KNOW, FOR DRINKS.

RON WAS PLAYING IN THE LITTLE ROOM DOWNSTAIRS,

AND IT SORT OF BLEW MY MIND.

I COULDN'T-- THERE WAS NOBODY IN THERE.

THERE WAS, LIKE, MAYBE 10 PEOPLE IN THERE.

HE LOOKED ABOUT 12.

HE WASN'T AS YOUNG AS I'D THOUGHT HE WAS,

BUT HE WAS PRETTY YOUNG.

I NEVER COULD CONVINCE ANYBODY TO SIGN HIM,

AND THEN I RAN INTO HIM

AT A MUSIC CONFERENCE IN NASHVILLE,

RUNNING IN TANDEM WITH COSTELLO,

AND, UH, I WAS LIKE, "SEE? I WAS RIGHT."

♪ I SEEM TO RECALL

♪ I SEEM TO RECALL WHEN A DAYDREAM ♪

♪ SEEMED TO BE ALL

♪ SEEMED TO BE ALL I'D TAKE WITH ME ♪

♪ MY WHEREWITHAL

♪ I SEEM TO RECALL...

YEAH, I WATCHED TOWNES VAN ZANDT,

WHO WAS HIS OWN WORST ENEMY HIMSELF, BUT...

BUT HE WAS, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY,

THE BEST SONGWRITER IN THE WORLD,

AND A LOT OF SONGWRITERS BELIEVED THAT,

AND IT STILL NEVER TRANSLATED INTO RECORD SALES.

RON, I THINK,

SOMETIMES UNDERESTIMATES

HOW LUCKY HE IS

THAT ANYBODY KNOWS WHO THE FUCK HE IS,

EVEN AS GOOD AS HE IS.

I THINK IT'S UNJUST, BUT IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED.

♪ I SEEM TO RECALL...

THANKS, EVERYBODY!

THANKS FOR LISTENING.

♪ IN EVERY NOWHERE TOWN

♪ THERE ARE SOMEWHERE DREAMS

♪ PATIENTLY HOLDING OUT

♪ FOR WHAT LOVE BRINGS

♪ AND I'VE SEEN WHAT LOVE CAN DO ♪

♪ I UNDERSTAND

♪ IT'S LIKE THE CANDLE GLOWING IN THE WINE ♪

♪ WHEN LIGHT APPEARS

♪ IN HAPPY TEARS

♪ THAT'S WHERE

♪ MY LOVE SHINES ♪

THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT AHEAD.

IT'S SO SWEET THE WAY IT IS.

IT'S SO REALLY NICE AND SWEET,

AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE...

COULD ALMOST MAYBE HAVE

A BIT MORE OF A MODERN SOUND TO IT.

UM...

CAN YOU PLAY, YOU KNOW, THAT--

THAT'S NICE.

PLAY IT OVER AND OVER FOR ME.

OKAY, UM...

BOY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

IT SOUNDS AMAZING IN MY HEAD.

RON, THIS IS GOING TO BE BIG.

THIS SONG?

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. YOU HEARD IT FIRST.

IT'S GOING TO BE BIG-SOUNDING.

OH, BIG-SOUNDING, OH.

OKAY, GOOD.

♪ I'VE SEEN... HM HM... TO HOLD YOU ♪

♪ WITH ALL MY MIGHT THROUGH THE NIGHT ♪

♪ OUR HOPES COMBINE

♪ TO IGNITE OUR EYES LIKE FIREFLIES ♪

♪ THAT'S WHERE

♪ MY LOVE SHINES

♪ MY LOVE SHINES...

I WAS MIXING A RON SEXSMITH SONG

IN KENSINGTON MARKET,

AND WE HAD AN ARRANGEMENT WHICH WAS, UH,

WHEN THE SESSION WAS OVER,

I WOULD ESCORT HIM TO THE BUS STOP

AND TAKE PICTURES OF HIM ALONG THE WAY.

I GOT TO KNOW HIM,

KNOW THE SOULFUL PART OF HIM,

AND I WAS NOT TOO DISTURBED

BY THE SILENT AND SHY ASPECT OF HIM.

THE PICTURE OF THE FIRST ALBUM COVER,

IT'S QUITE AN INTERESTING SHOT

BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS ALL COMING FROM ABOVE,

BECAUSE I SHOT IT IN AN ALLEY.

HE'S GOT DARK CIRCLES UNDER HIS EYES A BIT,

AND THEN HE'S WEARING THIS LITTLE JACKET RAINCOAT,

AND IT'S JUST THE LIGHT POURING DOWN ON HIM

LIKE RAIN.

I THINK I GOT LUCKY THERE A FEW TIMES,

WHERE I WAS ABLE TO HAVE THE SOUL OF HIM

COME OUT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH

AND THE SHYNESS JUST DISAPPEARED.

♪ TELL YOU ABOUT MY HEART

♪ WELL, IT'S FILLED WITH JOY

♪ TELL YOU MY ABOUT MY HEART

♪ WELL, IT'S FILLED WITH JOY

♪ TELL YOU ABOUT MY HEART

♪ WELL, IT'S FILLED WITH JOY

♪ A FEELING NO ONE CAN DESTROY

I'D NEVER BEEN AWAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW?

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I WAS...

I GUESS, MY FIRST ALBUM CAME OUT, I WAS 31,

AND I JUST STARTED TOURING LIKE CRAZY.

I'D BE GONE FIVE,

SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW.

♪ TELL YOU ABOUT MY HOME

♪ WELL, IT'S FAR

♪ TELL YOU ABOUT MY HOME

♪ WELL, IT'S FAR AWAY...

THE CONSEQUENCES WERE

THE DESTRUCTION OF MY FAMILY, YOU KNOW.

IT'S JUST HARDER PROBABLY ON MY KIDS, I GUESS.

♪ MORE THAN THIS I CANNOT SAY... ♪

IT'S A CLICHE ISN'T' IT, YOU KNOW?

I MEAN, YOU'RE TOURING AROUND,

AND, YOU KNOW, ON THE ROAD

THERE'S JUST SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR...

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE DEVIL'S PLAYGROUND.

AND I WAS JUST SORT OF IN THIS PLACE IN MY MIND,

WHERE I FELT I HADN'T HAD MY 20s,

AND THERE I WAS IN MY 30s HAVING MY 20s.

I'M THE GUY THAT WALKS OUT ON HIS FAMILY,

AND, LIKE, IT'S HEAVY, YOU KNOW,

BECAUSE YOU'RE THINKING, "WOW, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?"

AND YOU'RE AFRAID TO EVEN LOOK IN THE MIRROR, YOU KNOW?

THAT WAS A LITTLE LOW.

YOU SAID YOU COULD PLAY IT UP ONE?

I COULD MOVE IT UP ONE.

OKAY.

LIKE THAT? IS THAT BETTER?

♪ WHISTLING OVER THE TRESTLES

♪ AND PAST THE GRAVEYARD SIGN

♪ WE CAST OUR WAYWARD LINE

♪ INSIDE OF A WISHING WELL

♪ WE'RE JUST A WISH AND AN EMPTY VESSEL-- ♪

OKAY.

YOU GOT THE CHORDS, JAMIE?

OKAY.

♪ ...AND WHEN FACED WITH A DIFFICULT DECISION ♪

♪ WOULD YOU LISTEN TO YOUR HEART OR MINE... ♪

I THINK, ACTUALLY, A HIT TODAY

HAS GOT A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE.

ALL WE CAN DO IS MAKE A GREAT RECORD,

BUT IT'S ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.

THERE'S SO MANY RECORDS OUT THERE,

AND SO MANY PEOPLE TRYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF--

LIKE, PROMOTION PEOPLE, OR ANY KIND OF PEOPLE,

IF YOU GIVE THEM ONE REASON NOT TO TRY,

THEY WON'T.

♪ WHISTLING OVER THE TRESTLES

♪ AND PAST THE GRAVEYARD SIGN

♪ WE CAST OUR WAYWARD LINE

♪ INSIDE A WISHING WELL

♪ IN THE TAVERN TWO MEN DID SCUFFLE ♪

♪ THEIR DRUNKEN BATTLE MOANED

♪ THEY GROANED LIKE CATTLE GROAN ♪

WOW.

THAT WAS PRETTY FUCKIN' COOL.

♪ WHOA, AND WHEN FACED WITH A DIFFICULT DECISION ♪

♪ WOULD YOU LISTEN TO YOUR HEART OR MINE? ♪

♪ BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT WHEN MY OWN TWO EYES ♪

♪ OOH, SEEIN'

♪ SEEIN' IS BELIEVIN'

♪ I BELIEVE IT BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT ♪

♪ I BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES... ♪

FUCK, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

SORRY I SWEAR, BUT...

THE ONLY THING I'D WANT IS, I'D WANT A--

OFF THE FRONT.

YEAH!

CAN WE TRY DOUBLING IT?

TRY THE HIGHER.

YUP.

♪ ...SEEN IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES... ♪

NOW, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING, THAT.

ISN'T THAT GREAT?

YEAH, IT'S NICE.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT ACTUALLY EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, THERE'S...

HE'S A GREAT WRITER,

AND ALL OF THE SONGS ARE VERY, VERY STRONG.

BUT THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE

THAT I THINK MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE HIM A SHOT

AT MAYBE SOME RADIO.

WE'LL SEE.

HEY, BOB, DO YOU KNOW ANDY KIM?

ANDY KIM. PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.

HEY, MAN.

NICE MEETING YOU AFTER ALL THIS TIME.

THE SONG WE JUST DID IS HUGE.

AND IT'S NOT MIXED OR ANYTHING,

THIS IS JUST, LIKE, JUST A ROUGH.

YEAH, JUST GIVE ME A SEC

TO GET A BIT OF A MIX THING TOGETHER.

OKAY.

♪ WE'RE JUST A WISH AND AN EMPTY VESSEL ♪

♪ A HOME TO FILL WITH DAYS

♪ ON THE ROAD WHERE CHILDREN STRAY ♪

♪ AND PRAY THERE IS NO HELL

♪ AND AS FOR HEAVEN, WELL

♪ SEEIN', SEEIN' IS BELIEVIN'

♪ I'LL BELIEVE IT--

WHOO!

♪ I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES ♪

♪ OOH, SEEIN' SEEIN' IS BELIEVIN' ♪

♪ I'LL BELIEVE IT BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT ♪

♪ I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES ♪

♪ SEE IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES

SO, MAN, THAT'S...

PLAY IT AGAIN.

HI! HOW ARE YOU?

IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.

YOU REMEMBER COLLEEN?

HOW YOU DOING?

LOVELY TO SEE YOU.

I WAS TELLING ELVIS

I COULD DO EITHER "FORMER GLORY,"

OR "ALL IN GOOD TIME,"

AND I COULD STILL CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW.

IT'S NOT SET IN STONE.

WHEN I WAS HEADING TO NEW YORK

TO DO SPECTACLE,

IT WAS ONLY ABOUT A WEEK

AFTER I'D HAD THIS ANXIETY ATTACK,

AND I WAS FEELING...

I HAD MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT DOING THE TV SHOW.

I MEAN, ON ONE HAND, OBVIOUSLY, I WANTED TO DO IT.

IT WAS VERY EXCITING.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND,

MY EXPERIENCE WITH TELEVISION

HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIT DISAPPOINTING,

AND I JUST, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE

I DON'T COME OFF, YOU KNOW,

CONFIDENT OR WHATEVER.

I'M JUST GOING TO DO,

LIKE, A VERSE AND A CHORUS.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT FOR NOW?

♪ IT ALL SEEMS SO OBVIOUS NOW

♪ WHEN I LOOK BACK OVER MY LIFE... ♪

I THINK RON IS SLIGHTLY CURSED

WITH BEING BORN OUT OF TIME.

THE QUALITY AND NUANCE OF HIS SONGS

WOULD HAVE BEEN GREATLY APPRECIATED,

AND IS GREATLY APPRECIATED BY PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF,

WHO GREW UP WITH TIM HARDEN

AND PAUL McCARTNEY.

I THINK RON HAS GOT ONE OF THE PUREST SEAMS OF MELODY,

THAT HE HAS ACCESS TO EXCLUSIVELY

SINCE PAUL McCARTNEY.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY BIG THING TO SAY,

BUT I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S TRUE.

♪ ...WAS COMFORTING ME

♪ ALL IN GOOD TIME

♪ IT SEEMED

♪ ALL IN GOOD TIME

♪ THE BAD TIMES WILL BE GONE... ♪

IS THAT ALL RIGHT?

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WHEN HE GETS AN IMAGE

AS STRIKING AS "A CLOWN IN BROAD DAYLIGHT,"

OR THE TALE THAT'S REVEALED IN "STRAWBERRY BLONDE,"

THERE ARE TWO SONGS THAT STICK IN MY HEART.

THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE TO HIM,

WHICH IS NOT READILY APPRECIATED BY PEOPLE

THAT THINK HE JUST HAS THIS ROMANTIC MELANCHOLY,

SO MANY OF THE SONGS THEN ARE SORT OF SHRUGGING OF FATE,

AND IT'S BECOME MORE PRONOUNCED, OBVIOUSLY,

AS IT'S ALMOST BECOME AN EMBARRASSMENT TO EVERYBODY--

NOT TO HIM, BUT TO EVERYBODY ELSE--

THAT HE'S UNDERAPPRECIATED.

HE HAS CHOSEN A PATH OF LESS AGGRESSIVE PRESENTATION,

LESS AGGRESSIVE REPRESENTATION.

THOSE THAT HAVE TRIED TO CHAMPION HIM

ARE FAST OR LOUDER TALKERS,

LIKE MYSELF AND STEVE EARLE, YOU KNOW?

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'RE BETTER SONGWRITERS.

♪ EVERY DAY

♪ EVERY DAY I WRITE THE BOOK

IN CERTAIN KEY WAYS,

RON HAS TAUGHT ME HOW TO SING ONE OF MY MOST FAMOUS SONGS,

"EVERY DAY I WRITE THE BOOK."

I MEAN HE'S THE ONLY ONE

THAT MADE ME STILL WANT TO SING IT.

♪ CHAPTER TWO

♪ I THINK I FELL IN LOVE WITH YOU... ♪

ALL RIGHT, HAVE A GOOD SHOW.

"TOI TOI TOI," AS THEY SAY.

I'D GOTTEN TO A POINT

WHERE IT WASN'T SO MUCH STAGE FRIGHT,

BUT I STARTED FEELING LIKE

I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO LOOK AT ME.

I BETTER MAKE SOME ROOM, I GUESS, HERE.

NO, I GUESS I'LL STAND HERE.

JUST HAVE FUN.

I WILL. I'LL DEFINITELY TRY.

THERE I AM WITH PEOPLE LIKE SHERYL CROW,

WHO, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF A MASTER AT...

I MEAN, SHE'S A PRO, RIGHT?

I THINK SHE PROBABLY KNEW I WAS NERVOUS.

I THINK AS YOU GET OLDER,

YOU START TO THINK, I DON'T KNOW,

YOU DON'T LOOK AS GOOD ANYMORE,

AND I REALIZED THAT THE PEOPLE WATCHING,

THEY'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ANY OF THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW?

IT'S ALL IN MY HEAD.

WELCOME TO OUR SECOND ANNUAL SPECTACLE TOWN HALL.

MR. RON SEXSMITH!

♪ AND IN THESE HOURS ARE SERIOUS DOUBT ♪

♪ THROUGH THE COLD BLACK LONELY NIGHT ♪

♪ SOMETHING TOLD ME IT'LL WORK OUT ♪

♪ SOMETHING DEEP INSIDE WAS COMFORTING ME ♪

♪ ALL IN GOOD TIME

♪ ALL IN GOOD TIME, IT SAID

♪ ALL IN GOOD TIME

♪ THE BAD TIMES WILL BE GONE

♪ YES, THEY WILL

♪ OOH

♪ ALL IN GOOD TIME ♪

THANK YOU.

RON SEXSMITH.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO WILL IT TO SUCCEED, RON.

RIGHT?

I JUST FEEL AT THIS POINT

THAT EVERYTHING JUST SEEMS TO BE

KIND OF COMING INTO PLACE, YOU KNOW,

AND I JUST HAVE TO NOT LET A LOT OF DOUBT GET IN THERE,

AND SORT OF SABOTAGE IT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE MY OWN...

WELL, WHAT IS THE DOUBT?

YEAH, WELL, IT'S A SORT OF, UM...

IT'S LIKE A SELF-ESTEEM THING.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU--

IN YOUR HEAD, YOU START TO THINK THAT, UM,

YOU'RE NOT WORTHY OF IT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW?

OR YOU'RE NOT--

WELL, WHAT IS "IT?"

YEAH, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S--

IS IT MONEY?

WELL, IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT MONEY FOR ME,

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY I'M WHERE I AM, TOO.

IT'S JUST MORE LIKE AS I GET OLDER,

YOU KNOW, YOU SORT OF...

YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE LESS WORRY, YOU KNOW?

OF COURSE.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE '90s,

WHEN EVERYONE WAS MAKING RIDICULOUS MONEY,

LIKE, THE TAIL END OF THE WHOLE MUSIC, YOU KNOW?

I DIDN'T MAKE MY MONEY THEN,

AND SOMETIMES I THINK...

THAT IT JUST PASSED ME BY.

YOU KNOW, THE--

BUT THE THING IS, YOU SEE,

MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE MONEY, THEY...

WITH ALL THE MONEY THEY MADE,

THEY CAN'T BUY WHAT YOU GOT, WHICH IS INTEGRITY.

WELL, THANK YOU.

IT'S SO RARE

WHEN EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER.

MM-HMM.

HE'S SPECIAL.

♪ FILL MY CUP TO THE BRIM...

HE'S VERY DIFFERENT.

I MEAN, ANYBODY ASKS ME ABOUT RON,

AND IT'S, HE CAN'T HAMMER A NAIL,

HE DOESN'T DRIVE A CAR.

HE CAN'T...

HE RODE A BIKE ONCE.

SURPRISE!

HE'S ONLY HERE TO WRITE SONGS.

♪ AND WHEN TEARS FILL MY EYES... ♪

SOMEONE SENT A PIANO AS A GIFT,

WHICH WAS...

RON ABOUT HAD A HEART ATTACK AND DIED,

YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T AFFORD A PIANO, AND...

HE WRITES ON PIANO.

UM, ANYWAY, IT WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL GIFT

ANYONE COULD HAVE SENT.

♪ ...LIFE COMES CROWDING MY MIND ♪

♪ STILL FIND THE SPACE TO BELIEVE... ♪

YOU KNOW, MY FAVOURITE THINGS IN THE WORLD

REALLY ARE TO PLAY MY PIANO AND DRINK COFFEE,

AND, YOU KNOW, GO FOR WALKS AND STUFF.

I'D BE QUITE HAPPY TO JUST SORT OF LAY LOW.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER HOBBIES OR ANYTHING.

♪ SOME WAY SOMEHOW...

♪ WHEN EVERY SIGN THAT WE SEE... ♪

HA-HA, I GOT IT!

THERE HE IS. THERE'S RON.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THE NEXT AWARD RECOGNIZES ONE OF THE HARDEST OBSTACLES

A MUSICIAN EVER ENCOUNTERS,

THE BLANK PAGE.

WE'RE VERY PROUD,

AND HOPE AND PRAY THIS WILL BE THE NIGHT

THAT HE'S GONNA GET THE BIG ONE.

HE'S BEEN WORKING SO HARD AT IT, YOU KNOW.

THE JUNO AWARD FOR SONGWRITER OF THE YEAR

GOES TO RON SEXSMITH!

♪ STILL FIND THE SPACE TO BELIEVE... ♪

OH, WONDERFUL!

OH!

♪ STILL FIND THE STRENGTH TO BELIEVE ♪

♪ FILL MY DARKEST HOUR SOME WAY, SOMEHOW... ♪

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, WOW.

♪ FILL MY DARKEST HOUR SOME WAY, SOMEHOW ♪

♪ SOME WAY, SOMEHOW...

IT'S KIND OF HARD WHEN YOU'RE SOMEONE LIKE ME

WHO'S NEVER SOLD A GREAT DEAL OF RECORDS.

YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL LIKE NOTHING IS GOING ON,

OR NOTHING IS HAPPENING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE.

I WASN'T SURE IF I'D EVER GET

ANOTHER RECORD DEAL AGAIN,

AND OUT OF THE BLUE,

WE GOT AN EMAIL

THAT KIEFER SUTHERLAND LIKED THE RECORD, AND--

BUT THIS WAS BEFORE I KNEW HE HAD A LABEL.

SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS...

"OH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY NICE, YOU KNOW,

THAT HE LIKES THE RECORD."

BUT THEN IT KIND OF, UH...

WE GOT, YOU KNOW, MORE INTO IT WITH THEM, AND...

I HAVEN'T EVEN MET HIM YET.

I THINK I'LL BE MEETING HIM, YOU KNOW,

LATER TONIGHT, ACTUALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME.

HI THERE.

HEY, MAN.

HEY, THERE YOU ARE. HOW ARE YOU DOING?

VERY, VERY GOOD TO MEET YOU.

CHEERS.

ABSOLUTE PLEASURE.

WELCOME.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE HERE DOING INTERVIEWS.

I DID.

LIKE, I DID THIS ONE FOR EXTRA...

UH-HUH?

AND THAT WENT PRETTY WELL.

YOU THINK I WOULD BE USED TO

THAT KIND OF THING BY KNOW,

BUT I'M STILL SORT OF...

I DON'T KNOW, CAMERAS I KIND OF...

I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 20 SOME-ODD YEARS,

AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU

IF YOU GET USED TO IT.

WELL, MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD THING THEN.

YEAH.

OH, IT'S THE KEYBOARD ROOM.

THAT'S AWESOME.

DO YOU PLAY AT ALL, THE PIANO?

REALLY BADLY LATE AT NIGHT WHEN NO ONE'S HERE.

THE FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD

FROM FRIENDS OF MINE THAT WERE FANS OF RON WAS,

"YOU'VE GOT TO LISTEN TO THIS GUY.

HE'S AN AMAZING WRITER."

I WOULD ALWAYS HEAR THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A TAPE RECORDER.

IT'S CRAZY.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

YEAH, WELL, I'M NOT VERY TECHNICAL.

I DON'T HAVE AN iPOD,

I DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO WHENEVER I HAVE A BUNCH OF SONGS,

I HAVE TO KIND OF CALL IN,

YOU KNOW, FAVOURS FROM PEOPLE, AND--

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET YOU A TAPE RECORDER--

MY DRUMMER'S GOT A STUDIO, FOR EXAMPLE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET YOU A TAPE RECORDER.

ALL RIGHT, YOU READY?

I'M READY, I GUESS.

A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT--

I'LL JUST DO A QUICK INTRO AND...

SHOULD I COME UP WITH YOU NOW, OR--

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

TONIGHT IS A THRILL FOR US

TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE BACK TO LOS ANGELES

ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SINGER-SONGWRITERS

IN THE WORLD.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

ENJOY RON SEXSMITH.

HERE'S A SONG,

THIS HAS BEEN COVERED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I WROTE THIS ONE BACK IN '94,

AND, UM, IT'S BEEN COVERED ABOUT 10 TIMES,

AND I'M STILL NOT RICH.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY...

♪ SECRET HEART

♪ WHAT ARE YOU MADE OF?

♪ WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF?

♪ COULD IT BE

♪ THREE SIMPLE WORDS

♪ OR THE FEAR OF BEING OVERHEARD? ♪

♪ WHAT'S WRONG?

♪ LET HER IN ON YOUR SECRET HEART ♪

CONFLICT IS ART,

AND IT'S VERY CLEAR THROUGH HIS WRITING

HE'S EXPLAINING HIS OWN MARCH THROUGH LIFE,

AND WHAT HE'S DEALING WITH.

♪ ADMITTING THAT YOU

♪ JUST CAN'T GO THROUGH IT ALONE ♪

♪ LET HER IN ON YOUR SECRET...

IT'S NOT AN EASY THING

TO BE OPEN IN THIS WORLD,

AND CERTAINLY NOT ON A PUBLIC STAGE,

IN A PUBLIC WAY LIKE THAT,

AND SO WHEN I SEE SOMEONE DOING THAT,

I HAVE AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR THEM.

♪ YOUR SECRET HEART

♪ OOH...

KEIFER SUTHERLAND,

I MEAN, AFTER I MET HIM,

I REALIZED, YOU KNOW, HE WAS A GENUINE MUSIC FAN,

AND IT SEEMED TO BE A LEGITIMATE LABEL

WITH DISTRIBUTION,

AND GOING IN I FELT THAT, "OH, MAYBE THIS...

MAYBE THIS COULD WORK."

ULTIMATELY, I DON'T THINK IT DID.

♪ SECRET HEART

♪ WHAT ARE YOU MADE OF?

♪ WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF?

♪ COULD IT BE THREE SIMPLE WORDS ♪

♪ OR THE FEAR OF BEING OVERHEARD? ♪

♪ WHAT'S WRONG?

♪ LET HIM IN ON YOUR SECRET HEART... ♪

"SECRET HEART" FOR ME

FELT LIKE SONGWRITING GROUND ZERO.

LIKE, IT'S JUST A FANTASTIC SONG.

IT PLAYS ITSELF.

TO PUT MYSELF INTO--

STEP INTO THOSE CHORDS AND THAT MELODY,

IT WAS GOING TO TEACH ME SOMETHING ABOUT MYSELF.

RON SAID HE LIKES THAT VERSION,

BUT I STILL THINK HIS VERSION IS THE REAL ONE.

I HOPE ONE DAY HE WAKES UP AND JUST...

CAN SEE HIMSELF, YOU KNOW?

BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ADMIRE HIM,

AND IT JUST SEEMS TO HAVE WORN OFF.

LIKE, I THINK ADMIRATION AT THIS POINT,

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY WEIGHT FOR HIM ANYMORE.

I WAS AFRAID TO MAKE A NEW RECORD.

I HAD THESE SONGS,

BUT I WAS LIKE, "WELL, WHAT'S THE POINT?"

I DON'T THINK HE COULD STOP WRITING SONGS

IF HE WANTED TO.

WHAT DOES HE MEAN WHEN HE SAYS THAT?

WHAT, IS HE GOING TO GO WORK AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE?

I MEAN, HE CAN'T.

HE'S RON SEXSMITH.

HE'S, YOU KNOW, SONGWRITER LAUREATE OF CANADA.

I THINK HIS POWER IS IN ALL OF THOSE ANXIETIES.

IN FACT, ONE OF THE BEST SONGS HE'S EVER WRITTEN

HAS BEEN ABOUT FEELING TOTALLY OVERWHELMED,

AND IT'S ONE OF THE DEMOS WE MADE UP AT MY PLACE.

I'M SURE IT'S ON THE NEW RECORD.

IT'S-- ♪ NO HELP AT ALL

I MEAN, IT'S--

♪ DOO-DOO-DOO-DOO-DOO-DOO

IS THAT TOO SLOW, OR--

IT CAN HANDLE IT.

♪ DOO-DOO-DOO-DOO-DOO-DOO

♪ I'VE BEEN BURNING

♪ A CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS

♪ RUNNING MYSELF MORE RAGGED

♪ THAN A RAGGEDY ANN

♪ COULDN'T READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL ♪

♪ UNTIL I HIT THAT WALL

♪ AND THERE WAS NO HELP AT ALL... ♪

THAT'S WHAT RON DOES WHEN HE'S AGAINST A WALL,

AND HE FEELS NO HELP AT ALL.

HE TURNS IT INTO THESE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE PHRASES,

AND HE BREAKS YOUR HEART WITH HIS REALITY,

AND HE DOES IT WITH A SONG.

♪ IF I'M SHOOTING MYSELF IN THE FOOT ♪

♪ I'LL CRAWL

♪ I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE FALL

♪ I'LL DO IT WITH NO HELP AT ALL ♪

♪ NEVER DID GET THAT CALL

♪ THERE WAS NO HELP AT ALL

♪ THERE WAS NO HELP AT ALL

♪ THERE WAS

♪ NO HELP AT ALL...

OH, MY GOD.

♪ NO HELP AT ALL--

LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN.

OKAY.

ACTUALLY, GO TO 71.

WE'LL PUNCH IN THERE.

HE SAID,

"WE SHOULD TRY TO WRITE A SONG TOGETHER SOME DAY,"

AND I WROTE A BUNCH OF VERSES

BASED ON THIS SORT OF STORY HE'D TOLD ME.

HE WAS DRINKING THIS SORT OF MILKY LITTLE COCKTAIL,

AND I WAS LIKE, "WHAT IS THAT?"

AND HE SAID, "OH, THIS IS A BRANDY ALEXANDER,"

WHICH I'D NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE,

AND HE STARTED TO TELL ME THE STORY OF WHY HE DRANK THEM,

OR HOW HE FIRST HEARD OF THEM.

IT WAS JOHN LENNON FAMOUSLY

WAS KICKED OUT OF THE TROUBADOUR OR SOMETHING,

BEING DRUNK ON THESE,

AND WAS HECKLING SOME BAND.

CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING HECKLED BY JOHN LENNON?

I WAS ON TOUR, HE WAS ON TOUR,

AND THEN WE FINALLY HOOKED UP BACKSTAGE

AT THIS THING WE BOTH PLAYED AT,

AND I HAVE A DICTAPHONE RECORDING OF US.

HE'S SORT OF SHOWING ME THE MELODY,

AND WE'RE WORKING THE MELODY OUT TOGETHER.

♪ HE'S MY BRANDY ALEXANDER

♪ ALWAYS GETS ME INTO TROUBLE

♪ BUT THAT'S ANOTHER MATTER...

HE HAS-- IT'S LIKE A CONCRETE FRAME.

HE JUST, THERE'S NO SHIFTING HIS PERSPECTIVE OF HIMSELF,

AND THE WAY HE PLACES HIMSELF

IN THE SORT OF MUSICIAN STRATOSPHERE.

MAYBE HE'D BE OLD AND GREY BEFORE HE'D RECOGNIZE SUCCESS

IF IT ARRIVED TOMORROW.

I MEAN, IT'S ABSURD

THAT I'M IN THE POSITION TO TALK ABOUT HIM,

BECAUSE HE'S RON SEXSMITH, YOU KNOW?

IT'S LIKE, WHAT THE HELL COULD I POSSIBLY HAVE TO SAY?

EXCEPT HE BLOWS MY MIND.

♪ SHE'S MY BRANDY ALEXANDER

♪ ALWAYS GETS ME INTO TROUBLE

♪ BUT THAT'S ANOTHER MATTER

♪ MY BRANDY ALEXANDER

♪ BUT DO I THIRST FOR ALL THE WORST AGAIN? ♪

♪ IS IT MY ADDICTION TO THIS CURSE WITHIN... ♪

YOU GUYS LOOK SO MUCH ALIKE.

SO ARE YOU HAVING FUN? ARE YOU EXCITED?

YEAH, I'M A BIT EXCITED.

NERVOUS?

YEAH, I'M IN THE NERVOUS...

NERVOUS NELLY?

THE WORRYING... THE WORRYING STAGE.

AND THEN HALF THE CREW ARE GONNA GET THE TRUCK,

AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE GONNA WALK IT OUT AND GET READY?

MASSEY HALL WAS A BIG DREAM OF MINE.

♪ AND DEEP WITHIN MY BLOOD IS SAD... ♪

IT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT I EVER REALLY WANTED TO PLAY,

SO WHEN I FINALLY GOT THERE THE FIRST TIME,

IT WAS JUST...

IT WAS REALLY ONE OF THOSE PINCH-ME MOMENTS.

SO YOU COME IN WHERE IT GOES, UH...

♪ NEVER COME BACK...

RIGHT THERE.

SO I'LL DO THE SECOND VERSE UP TILL THERE.

WILL WE BE, LIKE, SORT OF SITTING--

WILL WE BE ON STAGE?

NO, 'CAUSE IT'LL BE AT THE END OF MY SOLO SET.

WHEN I WAS A COURIER,

I USED TO DELIVER PACKAGES ALL IN THAT AREA,

AND, YOU KNOW, TO WALK BY THERE

AND KIND OF DREAM ABOUT FILLING IT.

SO MANY TIMES,

WHEN I COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD TO GO TO THE CONCERT,

I WOULD GO AND LISTEN TO THE SHOW BY THE STAGE DOOR,

LIKE THE KINKS ONE TIME, AND STEVE EARLE.

I'VE SEEN DYLAN THERE, LEONARD COHEN.

I'VE SEEN GORDON LIGHTFOOT PLAY 10 TIMES,

AND I'D WAIT FOR THEM TO COME OUT,

AND I'D GET THEIR AUTOGRAPH.

MY SON MAY BE COMING.

I'VE GOT HIM DOWN.

OKAY, NO, BUT HE'S JUST GOING TO BE HANGING OUT BACKSTAGE.

HE DOESN'T NEED A SEAT.

OKAY.

WE HAVE ONE LATE ADDITION TO THE GUEST LIST.

CHRISTOPHER SEXSMITH,

WHO MAY OR MAY NOT COME.

HEY, MOM.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE NOW, MASSEY HALL.

THAT'S COLLEEN'S PHONE.

IT'S PROBABLY MY SON TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF ME.

WHERE'S CHRISTOPHER?

I DON'T KNOW.

HE'S NOT HERE, I CHECKED.

THAT WASN'T MY SON.

THE ONE SORT OF

DISAPPOINTMENT I HAD ABOUT THE NIGHT IS,

I WAS HOPING THAT MY SON, UH, WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP,

CHRISTOPHER.

HELLO.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

I'LL SHOW YOU TO YOUR SEAT.

DID YOU HEAR THAT, BOYS?

GORD JUST WALKED IN,

AND EVERYONE STOOD UP AND APPLAUDED HIM.

LIGHTFOOT, YEAH.

NICE.

WHERE'S HE SITTIN'?

I HAVE NO IDEA.

OKAY, GUYS, LET'S, UH...

LET'S MAKE A ROCK SHOW.

LET'S DO IT.

DEAD MAN WALKING.

THEY ALL CLAPPED

WHEN GORDON CAME IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

HAVE A GOOD ONE, GUYS.

HAVE A GREAT ONE, MONSIEUR.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD ONE.

HAVE A GOOD ONE, RONNIE.

COME ON, LET'S DO IT.

THIS IS A GREAT "AREA BOY DOES GOOD" STORY.

IT GIVES ME A GREAT, GREAT AMOUNT OF PLEASURE

TO WELCOME TO THE STAGE OF MASSEY HALL

RON SEXSMITH!

♪ I'M GOING DOWN TO LEBANON, TENNESSEE ♪

♪ FROM WHERE I STAND

♪ IT'S AS GOOD A PLACE AS ANY

♪ DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THERE

♪ NOBODY KNOWS ME...

IT'S MYSTERIOUS TO ME.

I STILL DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE SONGS COME FROM.

♪ IN LEBANON, TENNESSEE...

I'VE FELT THIS SINCE I WAS A KID.

I DON'T KNOW, IT FELT LIKE I WAS SORT OF, YOU KNOW,

THERE WAS SOME LIGHT OR SOMETHING

THAT WAS SURROUNDING ME,

IT WAS SWIRLING AROUND ME,

AND IT COMES BACK SOMEHOW IN A WEIRD WAY IN SONGS.

♪ AND I'LL BUY MYSELF A HOME DOWN THERE ♪

♪ YOU CAN GET ONE PRETTY CHEAP ♪

♪ GET OFF THE BUS

♪ ON THE BORDER TOWN

♪ HEAD IN FROM THE EAST

♪ WALK INTO A BAR TAKE A SEAT IN THE CORNER ♪

♪ BE A MAN OF MYSTERY

♪ FOLKS DON'T

♪ TREAT YOU MEAN

♪ IN LEBANON, TENNESSEE

♪ BUT LIKE A HUMAN BEING

♪ THEY'LL TAKE YOU IN OFF THE STREET ♪

♪ THEY'LL BRING YOU IN THEIR HOMES DOWN THERE ♪

♪ GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO EAT

♪ YES, THEY WILL NOW

♪ I'M GOING DOWN

♪ TO LEBANON

♪ TENNESSEE ♪

THAT WAS AWESOME.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU.

YOU'VE NEVER SUNG BETTER.

THERE YOU GO!

GREAT SHOW, GREAT SHOW.

MICHAEL BUBLE'S ON IN FOUR MINUTES.

OH, THAT'S WHY WE TURNED IT, OKAY.

THAT'S WHY WE TURNED IT.

COME ON, WE WANNA HEAR HIM SAY,

"YEAH, I DID A SONG BY RON SEXSMITH."

THERE HE IS.

IF RON SIMPLY WANTS TO BE A SONGWRITER

AND WANTS TO HAVE HIS MATERIAL GET OUT THERE

THROUGH OTHER PEOPLES' VOICES,

BUBLE WOULD BE A PERFECT VEHICLE FOR HIM.

I HAD THIS RIDICULOUS FAITH

THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN.

I KNEW NOTHING COULD STOP ME.

I JUST NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T.

REALLY?

SINCE YOU WERE IN THE BACK SEAT SINGING "WHITE CHRISTMAS?"

BEFORE. SINCE I WAS A LITTLE GUY.

I THINK-- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU--

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GOD, OR WHAT YOU PRAY TO,

WHETHER IT'S THE UNIVERSE OR WHATEVER,

BUT I SURE PUT IT OUT THERE,

AND I WENT, "PLEASE, PLEASE," YOU KNOW,

I WANT THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING,

AND I'LL GIVE BACK IF I GET IT."

WHEN WE COME BACK,

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HIM GIVE BACK TO US IN SONG.

MICHAEL'S GOING TO SING!

WOW. YEAH, HE TOTALLY NAILED THAT SHOW.

EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW?

YOU KNOW, HE'S GREAT, HE'S GREAT ON TV, YOU KNOW?

HE'S ALWAYS BEEN REALLY CONFIDENT.

OH, MAN, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN ME

ON MY LAST TOUR, I WAS...

I JUST HAD THIS THING WHERE I'LL BE ON STAGE,

AND I-AND I CAN'T OPEN MY EYES?

YEAH, YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT THIS.

AND IT WAS SORT OF THIS THING

WHERE IF I WOULD OPEN MY EYES

AND SEE SOMEONE WHISPERING TO SOMEONE,

IT WOULD JUST COMPLETELY THROW ME OFF,

AND I WOULD SPEND THE WHOLE NIGHT

JUST TRYING TO DISAPPEAR,

OR TRYING TO, YOU KNOW,

MAKE MYSELF LOOK SKINNIER SOMEHOW.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST THIS WEIRD THING,

AND I REALLY LOVE BEING ON STAGE,

SO IT WAS THIS THING THAT I...

I JUST FELT REALLY SELF-CONSCIOUS...

THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT

HOW HE FEELS ABOUT PERFORMING AND ALL OF THAT.

I JUST SAID TO HIM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE,

YOU GOTTA OVERCOME THAT

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANT, YOU KNOW?

OR YOU'LL JUST BE TALKING ABOUT IT

FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

HELLO?

HEY, MICHAEL, CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU.

WELL DESERVED.

YOU LOOK GREAT ON TV, MAN.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

BUT THE SINGLE'S KILLING, YOU KNOW?

THAT SONG IS A GREAT SONG.

RON SEXSMITH'S WITH--

CAN I SAY SOMETHING--

CAN YOU TELL HIM SOMETHING FOR ME?

SURE. GO AHEAD.

JUST SAY MY RECORD'S NOT OUT TILL NEXT SPRING,

SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

HIS NUMBER ONE POSITION.

YEAH, HIS RECORD'S NOT OUT TILL NEXT SPRING,

SO YOU GOT NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, HE SAID.

OKAY, BYE.

COOL. THAT'S NICE.

NICE SURPRISE.

HE SAYS EVERY CRITIC,

EVERY INTERVIEWER

LOVES YOUR SONG,

AND LOVES WHAT YOU DID WITH HIM

ACROSS THE BOARD.

AW...

RON AND I HAVE

THE NUMBER ONE RECORD IN AMERICA TODAY.

REALLY?

YEAH, WITH BUBLE.

WELL, NOT MY SONG, BUT I'M ON THE RECORD

THAT HAPPENS TO BE NUMBER ONE.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

AND IT'S, LIKE, EVERYWHERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S...

IT'S DOING REALLY WELL.

DOING REALLY WELL.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ANY ARTIST

TO GO BEYOND THAT THRESHOLD OF WHAT'S COMFORTABLE

IF THEY DESIRE SOMETHING ELSE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK,

ARE VERY SCARED TO PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE.

THE GUY THAT WAS ACTUALLY

THE DOCTOR PHIL OF METALLICA.

THE ST. ANGER GUY,

YEAH?

HE'S ACTUALLY A PERFORMANCE COACH.

HE WORKS FOR C.E.O.s

AND HIS BIG SAYING, AND IT'S A GREAT ONE,

HE SAYS "EVERYTHING YOU WANT

IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FEAR."

YEAH.

ONCE YOU BECOME REALLY, REALLY FAMOUS,

YOU LOSE CONTROL OF A LOT OF THINGS,

OR IT'S MUCH HARDER TO CONTROL THINGS,

AND ALTHOUGH IT'S SO ATTRACTIVE IN SO MANY WAYS,

CERTAINLY ATTRACTIVE FINANCIALLY,

CERTAINLY ATTRACTIVE IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR ART,

YOU TEND TO FIND YOURSELF

NOT IN THE SAME LEVEL OF CONTROL THAT YOU ARE

WHEN IT'S STILL SORT OF MOM AND POP,

COTTAGE INDUSTRY KIND OF STUFF.

YOU'RE MAKING A LIVING, YOU'RE PUTTING OUT GREAT WORK,

YOU'RE GETTING GREAT REVIEWS,

BUT YOU STILL CONTROL IT.

THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT IN RON,

OF NOT WANTING TO LOSE THAT CONTROL.

IT'S NOT FEAR OF FAILURE,

IT'S FEAR OF SUCCESS, RIGHT?

FEAR OF SUCCESS.

RIGHT, WELL, IT IS SCARY, YEAH.

NOT IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE THINKING, THOUGH.

IT'S, A LOT OF PEOPLE...

WELL, IT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY.

WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YOU SEE,

A LOT OF PEOPLE SABOTAGE THEMSELVES.

THAT'S ME.

THAT'S ME IN A NUTSHELL.

OKAY? BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY TRY

AND IT DOESN'T WORK,

YOU'VE GOT TO FACE THE FACT THAT...

YEAH.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TRY.

THEY ALWAYS HOLD THEMSELVES JUST A LITTLE BACK.

YEAH.

BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF THE RESULTS, RIGHT?

'CAUSE IF YOU PUT YOUR--

SO, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THIS,

IF YOU PUT EVERYTHING FORWARD,

LIKE, WE DO A RECORD,

YOU TRY, YOU DO EVERYTHING,

DO ALL THE PRESS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,

AND DO EVERYTHING,

AND IT STILL KIND OF DOES WHAT IT DOES, RIGHT?

AND IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT TO YOU,

THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN.

RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T BE MARRIED TO THE OUTCOME.

YOU CAN'T BE CONCERNED.

YEAH, JUST GO AND DO THE WORK.

DO THE WORK AND TRY YOUR BEST.

DO IT ALL,

BUT JUST DON'T BE MARRIED TO THE RESULTS,

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE MARRIED TO THE RESULT,

THEN ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS--

IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A DISAPPOINTMENT.

ALWAYS.

RIGHT.

SO I LIKE THAT, FEAR OF SUCCESS.

THAT MAKES SENSE, YEAH.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT.

YEAH.

YEAH, I JUST, I'LL TRY ONE MORE.

♪ I KNOW THE FEELING

♪ THAT'S WRITTEN ON YOUR FACE

♪ WHERE YOU DON'T SEEM QUITE YOURSELF ♪

♪ YOU'RE OUT OF PLACE

♪ I KNOW IT WELL

♪ HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL

♪ 24 HOURS A DAY

♪ YET STILL WE CONVINCE OURSELVES ♪

♪ IT'S OUT OF OUR WAY

♪ I KNOW IT WELL

♪ KNOW IT WELL...

SONGWRITERS,

WHAT THEY DO MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS

THEY EMPATHIZE.

IT'S CATHARSIS.

IT'S THAT PROCESS OF ACTUALLY FEELING A FEELING

THROUGH TO ITS END.

BY LISTENING TO SOMEBODY'S SONG,

THE FEELING THAT YOU THEN FEEL FROM THAT PERSON'S WRITING

OR EXPERIENCE

WILL PERHAPS CANCEL OUT A SIMILAR EMOTION

THAT YOU HAVE WITHIN YOU.

YOU CAN THINK OF IT LIKE A...

LIKE AN EMOTIONAL PHASE CANCELLATION.

IF YOU'RE FEELING BLUE,

AND YOU LISTEN TO SOMETHING BLUE,

THEN IT MIGHT CANCEL OUT YOUR BLUE.

SO I GET THAT FROM RON'S MUSIC.

I THINK MELANCHOLY AND DESPAIR

ARE BOTH COMPONENTS OF THE BLUES.

YOU KNOW, AT THE OPPOSITE, DARK, DEEP END OF THE BLUES

IS DESPAIR,

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T STAY THERE.

IT'S JUST...

WE'RE NOT CONSTRUCTED TO STAY THERE.

MELANCHOLY CAN BE BEFRIENDED,

AND CAN BE TAMED, AND CAN BE HARNESSED.

♪ WELL, I HOPE TOMORROW

♪ IS CLEARER THAN TODAY...

YOU KNOW, FOR ARTISTS,

THE ADVANTAGE THAT WE HAVE IS

THAT BEAUTY COMES OUT OF,

YOU KNOW, OUR MELANCHOLY,

AND EVEN OUR DESPAIR.

♪ I KNOW IT WELL...

♪ I KNOW IT WELL...

BUT YOU HAVE TO--

IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE,

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO

BRING THE ROCKS BACK FROM THE MOON,

OR NOBODY KNOWS THAT YOU WERE THERE.

ISN'T IT BEAUTIFUL, THIS SONG?

WELL, UH...

GREAT SONG.

THANKS.

IT WAS THE FIRST ONE I WROTE FOR THE RECORD

SO IT WAS KIND OF SPECIAL.

YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY A SPECIAL SONG.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW,

WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT "LOVE SHINES,"

THE BASIC MESSAGE, IT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD,

AND I HEAR THE LYRICS,

AND TO ME I WONDER,

"IS THAT RON SPEAKING, OR IS THAT RON OBSERVING?"

YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A SIGN OF GREATNESS.

♪ TO SEE THAT DREAM COME TRUE

♪ SENDS A SPARK

♪ THROUGH THE DARK END OF THE MIND... ♪

HIS STYLE?

IT'S ABOUT WHAT HE'S SAYING AND HOW HE SAYS IT.

♪ ...IN HAPPY TEARS

♪ THAT'S WHERE MY LOVE SHINES

RIGHT HERE, SIR.

HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

THE BATON HAS BEEN PASSED.

IT'S NOW UP TO ME.

YOU DON'T WRITE SONGS THE WAY HE WRITES THEM

WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT FOR MONEY.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

SO, WHAT THE MUSIC BUSINESS THINKS ABOUT HIM

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER

IS IRRELEVANT.

OKAY.

NOW PUT THE BACK PICKUP ON FOR THE SECOND HALF.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IF HE WERE TO STOP,

OR SOMETHING WERE TO STOP HIM FROM PLAYING TOMORROW,

HE WOULD HAVE MADE A BODY OF WORK

WHICH WOULD BE APPRECIATED IN TIME,

THAT'S WITHOUT A DOUBT.

OKAY.

I THINK WE GOT THE FIRST HALF.

SO THE SECOND HALF, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

UM...

HE'S GREATER THAN HIS DOUBTS.

HIS WORK IS SO MUCH GREATER THAN HIS DOUBTS ABOUT IT,

BUT I GUESS THAT'S ULTIMATELY PART OF HIS CHARM,

IS THAT STRUGGLE.

OKAY, WE'LL PUNCH THAT.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU PICK ALL THOSE--

YEAH, YOU GOT TO ARTICULATE THOSE.

OKAY.

HERE WE GO, SECOND HALF.

ALL I CAN HOPE FOR WITH RON IS THAT HE WILL LIKE HIS RECORD,

AND HE WILL FEEL ENERGIZED TO GO OUT THERE

AND PUT A NEW FACE FORWARD,

AND GO FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO GO FOR.

♪ IN EVERY NOWHERE TOWN

♪ THERE ARE SOMEWHERE DREAMS

♪ PATIENTLY HOLDING OUT

♪ TO GRAB THE BRASS RING

♪ TO SEE THEIR DREAM COME TRUE

♪ SENDS A SPARK

♪ THROUGH THE DARK END OF THE MIND ♪

♪ TILL LIGHT APPEARS IN HAPPY TEARS ♪

♪ THAT'S WHERE MY LOVE SHINES

♪ IF WE'VE DISQUIET IN MIND

♪ THERE ARE SILENT DAYS

♪ TO SEE OURSELVES DEFINED...

WHEN I BECAME A SONGWRITER,

ALL OF A SUDDEN, I FELT THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS HERE.

YOU KNOW?

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN THE GREATEST DAD,

OR THE GREATEST HUSBAND OR ANYTHING,

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS HERE TO DO.

YOU KNOW, I TRIED-- I DID MY BEST,

BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

IT'S EASIER FOR ME

TO ALMOST BE A BETTER HUMAN BEING IN SONG

THAN IN REAL LIFE, YOU KNOW?

♪ THAT'S WHERE OUR LOVE SHINES... ♪

♪ IN EVERY NOWHERE TOWN

♪ THERE ARE SOMEWHERE DREAMS

♪ GRACEFULLY REACHING OUT

♪ TO PULL OUR STRINGS

♪ AND I'VE SEEN WHAT LOVE CAN DO ♪

♪ I UNDERSTAND

♪ IT'S LIKE THE CANDLE GLOWING IN THE WINE ♪

♪ IT FILLS YOUR HEART

♪ WITH SILVER STARS

♪ THAT'S WHERE MY LOVE SHINES

♪ OH, WHEN LIGHT APPEARS

♪ IN HAPPY TEARS

♪ THAT'S WHERE MY LOVE SHINES

♪ MY LOVE SHINES

♪ MY LOVE SHINES...