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[narrator]
Once upon a Christmas time,

in a big house on a hill,

there lived a man, his wife

and their eight children.

The family filled the house
with their excitement.

Presents for everyone,
particularly Ghislaine,

who's five on Christmas Day,

and, like the baby
of any family,

has Daddy
very much under control.

[chatter]

I can't do it.

OK.

When Father Christmas came
last year, I was fast asleep,

and he put... I took my daddy's
stocking away from his bedroom.

Then I hanged it up on my bed,
then Father Christmas

put some toys in my daddy's...
in my daddy's stocking.

[newsreader]
Breaking news
in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

She has been convicted

of helping American financier
Jeffrey Epstein

sexually abuse teenage girls.

Ghislaine Maxwell just
got convicted of five of six

of the serious counts
against her,

including
the most serious counts,

sex trafficking of a minor.

[reporter]
Three of her siblings
were inside there

to hear that verdict
being handed down.

[reporter 2]
She's from a dynasty
that has known disgrace

and is now disgraced herself.

[reporter]
Ghislaine Maxwell
was the socialite

whose manners and magnetism

attracted princes
and presidents.

[reporter 3]
Prince Andrew was friends

with both Ghislaine Maxwell
and Jeffrey Epstein

during this lurid
chapter of abuse.

[reporter]
The women who took the stand,

they say that Ghislaine Maxwell
identified their frailties.

It was her charm
and her magnetism

that made them feel safe.

[reporter 4]
Ghislaine Maxwell faces

up to 65 years behind bars.

That could potentially be
the rest of her life.

The road to justice
has been far too long.

But today justice has been done.

[woman]
The women were to take off
their tops and bras

and present their breasts
to the men.

It was really as if just
being Ghislaine wasn't enough.

I began to see
that there was a deficit there

which was being filled
by being this charming host.

[woman 2]
I said to Jeffrey, like,

"She has really masculine,
aggressive energy."

And he said something like,

"Yeah, she's got
a bigger penis than me."

[woman 3]
She ferociously
slammed the table,

and my court reporter looked
at me and said, "I'm so scared."

I have been silent for 20 years.

I don't wanna be a victim.

I remember a little girl
walking downstairs crying,

and she was wearing a uniform,

you know, and I'm like,
"Whoa. She's a kid."

And she says to me,
"They are nothing."

"They are trash."

[woman 4]
I think there were signs

things were happening.

At what point, if she did,

did she see
what was becoming of her?

[church bell rings]

[reporter]
The football league's
first elected lady director

is still, in fact, a student.

She's at Balliol College
in Oxford,

studying French and history.

More than 40 years ago, I was
president of the Oxford Union.

To make ends meet,
I did some tutoring,

and one of my tutees

was Ghislaine Maxwell.

She'd been at Marlborough,

one of our top private schools
in this country.

She hadn't done as well
in her A levels

as she should have done,

and that's where I came in.

Ghislaine would sit there,

on the corner of the desk.

There was I, I was 21,
she was 17,

and she knew
she was uh, good-looking,

and she was very self-assured.

But she was incredibly bright.

She picked things up
very, very quickly.

But the problem was
she just didn't do enough work.

I vividly remember her
showing me one essay

that was just two thirds
of one side of paper,

and I was expecting
sort of seven or eight pages.

Um, she'd probably written it
in ten minutes on the bus.

There was a lot of pressure
on her to succeed,

particularly as her father,
Robert Maxwell,

he'd actually given money
to Balliol back in the 1960s.

[ticking]

[presenter]
Oxford United
have gained a reputation,

justifiably,
for attractive football,

but uh, that image is not just
restricted to the pitch,

it goes all the way
up to the boardroom,

and I'm delighted to welcome
Ghislaine Maxwell.

Well, I actually went
to a boys' school,

where there were something like
a thousand boys and 40 girls,

and so the few girls
that were there,

we decided to get together and
get ourselves a football team.

And so I played midfield
for them.

And we were very successful,
as well.

I have a feeling
you're a rebel till the end.

[laughs]

[woman]
When I arrived at Oxford,

she was a very well-known name.

The name Maxwell
was huge in those days

because of her father, Robert.

But she was also very rapidly,
I think,

established as a person
in her own right.

She was in the glossy magazines.
She was in the newspapers.

I think there was always

something fascinating
about Ghislaine.

What is this person like?

What is it like
to be that famous?

[air horns blare, car horns
beep]

[Mike Maloney]
She was perceived

as the child
who could do no wrong.

It's just one of these things
that happened,

that father has
a particular favorite child,

'cause Bob had nine children,

but she was the youngest,

and she was totally
and utterly spoilt.

And I think
she was spoilt from birth.

She said to me one day,
she said,

"Don't forget,
I'm Daddy's girl."

[whistles]

[reporter]
Robert Maxwell
is one of Britain's

most influential businessmen.

He was born Ján Ludvík Hoch
in Czechoslovakia

to Jewish peasants who were
swept away in the Holocaust.

Today he is the stormy petrel

of the international
big business world.

Robert Maxwell now owns
the Daily Mirror,

theSunday Mirror,
theSunday People,

theSporting Life,
and two Scottish newspapers.

[Maloney]
And it was Bob Maxwell
who introduced me

to his favorite daughter.

And she was lovely.

Very young, very attractive,

but very quiet, almost timid.

She was literally

the apple of his eye.

She'd be all lovey-dovey,

and go up
and snuggle up to him,

or give him a kiss,

sit on his knee,
things like that.

Especially
if she wanted something,

money, gifts, luxuries.

She knew
how to work her father,

let's say.

And that's exactly
what Ghislaine did.

[newsreader]
The old boys' network,

which leads
from public school to Oxbridge

and then
to the top positions of power,

is under threat from within.

Undergraduates at Oxford

have now started visiting
state schools

in a bid to persuade more
pupils to apply to go there.

[McElvoy]
The Oxford of that time

was very marked still
by distinctions

between class
and birth and money.

I don't think
she was entirely seen

as being
of that top drawer,

families who'd been there
for many generations.

[ticking]

[Dafydd Jones]
Oxford had all these different
kind of cliques.

There were
the Oxford Union people,

who really seriously
wanted to go into politics,

people like David Cameron
and Boris Johnson.

Ghislaine had a-a different
group

which were more uh,
sort of famous household names,

like Hanson, Sainsbury's,

and she flirted
and talked to those people.

One of the first times
I photographed Ghislaine,

she was at the Bullingdon
Point to Point.

She was dancing about,
very physical, rushing around.

She was flirty with boys.

I remember clearly,

I don't think
she was drinking at all,

and I remember
quite a few people

ended up in the mud that day,
but not Ghislaine.

[McElvoy]
Ghislaine was ambitious.

Even within a world
in which she already sat,

in the "glossy posse",
she wanted to make her mark.

One good thing about her not
being entirely from that world

within the English class system

was I think she was very easy
at talking to people.

She had
this extraordinary voice,

this very sort of low voice.

It was like a purr.

I think she also did
quite enjoy being queen bee.

She always presented herself
as more knowing,

sort of wise counsel to probably
some quite giddy people.

Ah!

I met Ghislaine
soon after I arrived

as an undergraduate
at Oxford University.

[presenter]
The jeunesse dorée of Oxford

hell-bent
on enjoying themselves.

Those of a nervous disposition
should now be warned

that they may well be looking
at future prime ministers,

and chancellors
of the exchequer,

and, God help us all,

a future minister of defense.

[Monbiot]
And there was one set
of people in particular

who were living life
to the limits.

A lot of alcohol,
there were a lot of drugs,

there was a lot of sex.

It was pretty wild.

And a lot of them
had serious money,

and that's one reason I could
never really be integrated.

And at its heart, among
other people, was Ghislaine.

She was a great
social organizer.

She knew everybody's name.

She did draw you in
quite... quite literally,

sometimes grab you by the hand
and pull you in and say,

"Right, come and meet
this person and..."

And so she helped you
to overcome your own shyness.

So she made you feel welcome.

Even though, in retrospect,

it's clear
that I didn't really belong,

for that moment, I felt, "Oh,
yeah, I'm here, I've arrived."

-Hello, hi. Lovely to see you.
-Hello.

Come on in.

Greetings.

She was interested in sex.

-I mean, we have to say that.
-Yeah.

I do remember one evening
meeting her in uh, in Jericho,

at some sort of little houses

that people...
students lived in.

And there is Ghislaine
on the sofa with her hair.

She must have been smoking.
I can't remember.

These incredible eyes,
sort of like "zap".

You looked at her and you felt
all the attention was on you.

So she managed to, even if...

whatever was going on
behind the eyes,

you looked at her, and she was
completely compelling.

I was trying to chat up
this very beautiful girl,

and Ghislaine
was very like a puppeteer.

Ghislaine said,
"Now you should say this."

She prompted in this wonderful
femme fatale-ish way,

with the cigarettes
and the whole thing.

She realized
that she could direct

a willing sort of, you know...

She knew what to say.

[Nicholas Stafford-Deitch]
I first met Ghislaine
in the early '80s

when I'd gone back to Oxford
to do my master's degree.

I remember there was a party,

and she suddenly
looked me in the eye and said,

"Will you take me
out to dinner?"

She just injected it
into the conversation

like she might say, "I like
the shirt you're wearing."

Dinner started off
perfectly normally.

But over time,

the conversation
kept returning to her father,

and by about the halfway stage,

I think she was talking
about nothing else.

I got an impression
that here was a young woman

who, on one hand, was very
sophisticated and confident,

but, on the other hand,
I found someone

who was probably rather insecure
at the same time,

because she seemed to rely
so much on who her father was,

and I never really got to know
anything about her.

[Monbiot]
Ghislaine was outwardly
very confident,

but there was always that sense

that there was something
brittle, vulnerable, frantic,

beneath that
socially confident exterior.

And I began to see
that there was a deficit there,

which I felt was being filled

by being this charming host.

And then suddenly,

it happened almost overnight,

I just couldn't take it anymore.

What had seemed to me
like this warm, funny,

exciting, inviting,
thrilling social scene

suddenly seemed like
a nightmare networking

of bright laughter
and false friendship.

They were climbing
the social ladder,

advancing their social position,

but actually they didn't seem
to care for each other.

My feelings weren't focused
on Ghislaine,

but I suppose because she was

particularly skilled
in-in that scene,

and quite central to it,

to some extent
she came to represent

what I then fiercely rejected.

I could see the skull
beneath the skin.

[rousing music]

[Thatcher]
There are many things
to be done

to set this nation
on the road to recovery,

and I don't mean
economic recovery alone,

but a new
independence of spirit

and a zest for achievement.

[Jones]
Around that period
of the early '80s,

the upper classes
were celebrating,

and there were
a lot of parties going on,

and it was also the beginnings
of a sort of yuppie,

a new type of person developing

who was very entrepreneurial
and selfish.

[interviewer]
Today you're proud
to be a yuppie?

Yes, all right, I admit it,
I'm proud to be a yuppie.

[Jones]
In London, I was working
for theTatler magazine.

Ghislaine was popping up
at quite a few parties.

Part of the crowd
that Ghislaine was in

was quite a hard partying crowd.

Trinny Woodall,
Susannah Constantine.

And they liked going out late
and flirting with young men.

This was pretty close
to the top set.

[Mariella Frostrup]
I met Ghislaine Maxwell

a very long time ago
in-in the 1980s,

quite shortly after I first
moved to London from Ireland.

London, really, for me,
was like a huge ladder

going right up to the sky,

a bit like Jack and the
Beanstalk, and I just, you know,

was clambering up this endless,
it felt like, ladder.

[cork pops]

And Ghislaine just happened
to be one of the people

I sort of brushed up against
on-on that path.

There was
this really sparkly-eyed,

very interesting, fun woman

who seemed to be
the sort of life and soul
of the party in a way.

I remember being at a dinner

where Prince Charles
was sat next to me.

They were a sort of elite,
privileged crowd.

Either rich or titled, or both.

It was still
a pretty sexist era.

There were women who-who would
respond very differently to men

than-than to their own sex.

She wasn't like that, you know.

She was sort of
one of the boys, in a way.

She just was comfortable
with everybody.

And I'm not surprised if
people did find her so appealing

that she brought them
into a circle,

because there was
something about Ghislaine

that made you want
to bask in her light.

[Nicola Glucksmann]
I remember Ghislaine
as very beautiful, charming,

hugely entertaining,
but slightly manic.

I was invited as a plus one

to a weekend party

at Headington Hill Hall.

Ghislaine was hosting herself.

She was always
scanning the room.

At the end of the dinner,
Ghislaine announced

that it was time for some games,

and she disappeared
and came back with some scarves,

but explained that, um,

she was going to give
each of the men a blindfold,

and they were
to blindfold themselves,

and then the women were
to take off their tops and bras

and present their breasts
to the men.

And then the men
would feel the breasts

and make an attempt
to match the breast

by weight and... and cup size

to, uh, the woman
who was attached to the breast.

It was all bundled up as fun.

Ghislaine was very relaxed
about it.

This was a gift
she was giving us.

I absented myself,
I excluded myself,

and said I was tired,

and left, as did my friend,

but I was very struck

by how awful that...
that idea was.

The notion that a woman
would suggest a game

and... make it quite hard

for the other women not to play,

because you would have been
the killjoy,

you're the one that doesn't
join in, you're no fun,

I mean, that's
sort of adult peer pressure.

Very difficult not to do it.

And yet if a man suggested it,

I... I don't think
the women would have done it.

I mean, that experience
really left me...

wondering, you know,

about what... what...

what was going on with her.

It seemed to betray
a very odd attitude

to herself as a woman

and to the men around her.

It was really as if just
being Ghislaine wasn't enough.

Flamboyant, vulgar,

insufferable, ruthless,

brazen, fiery, humorless,

impatient, intolerant, rude.

[laughs]

And this is
an authorized biographer.

And he likes you. To how much
of that do you plead guilty?

I plead guilty to all of it.

-[reporter] Can I have one more?
-No, you cannot.

Jesus. Now, that's
unwelcome visitor. Fuck off.

Come in?

[Maloney]
He could bully people.

He could be a tyrant.

I mean, he was a tyrant
to Betty, his wife.

He was a tyrant to the boys.

Betty'd talk about
Sunday lunch at Headington.

He would start picking on one
of the children, berating them.

Even hitting them
with his belt.

And then having the audacity

to get them to write

a letter of apology to him.

Ghislaine would have operated

under these
dreadful conditions.

But a lot of it
was self-preservation.

Betty also told me
about Ghislaine,

that Ghislaine was the one
who got away with everything.

She got away scot-free.

Ghislaine's lifestyle
was lavish.

It was the best of everything.

And if you think about it,

for a girl of that age
coming onto the scene,

she's got a private plane
to fly her from A to B,

she's got the use
of a luxury yacht.

Having observed her
for a number of years,

she was quite aware
of what was going on.

I think she had the ability

to gloss over
certain parts of life,

and take what she wanted,

and reject what she didn't want.

[ticking]

[Tim Walker]
Bob looked at Ghislaine
as if she was on a pedestal,

as if she was nothing less,
frankly, than Princess Diana.

She, I felt, by contrast,
looked at him with respect,

with concern, perhaps,

but also, I felt,
with a degree of fear.

The voice that she used,
interestingly, to Bob,

was different to the voice
I saw her use to other people,

certainly myself.

It was coquettish.

Perhaps it was schoolgirl-ish.

It was a sort of
singsong-y voice.

It was a strained relationship.

I got the impression

-she was a bit of a blank canvas
-[Bob] Get out of here!

whose only sense of identity,
I think,

was being
her father's daughter.

I keep thinking about that
in relation to Ghislaine.

If I'd had a father

to whom rules never applied,

nothing really mattered,
or anything got in your way,

how I might have turned out.

[Anne-Elizabeth Moutet]
Ghislaine was a spoiled brat.

She was abrupt, she was rude,
and she was demanding.

I met Ghislaine
when I was working

for theEuropean
as Paris bureau chief.

She would walk
into this office.

She came like a kind of
sort of small tornado,

and-and she sort of had
this hectoring voice.

The assumption was that if
someone worked for her father,

that person was there to help.

She would come in
and ask people to do things

that were completely unrelated
to their jobs.

She would ask for
her mother's car to be towed

when her mother had a problem.

Or one memorable time,
she rang up the office,

"I'm at the Ritz
and it's horrible."

"I want you to call them up
and to say

that really they're below par."

She had energy.

There was a sort of impatience
about her

that could be very positive,

and the negative was
she was rude.

Captain, you might come
and take this bag

from my secretary,
would you?

[Walker]
Throughout the time
I was working there,

I-I saw them striving,

uh, Bob and Ghislaine.

For what they very much desired

was this acceptance in society.

[reporter]
Much of Britain's
elitist establishment

is not amused by Mr. Maxwell.

Ordinary Brits may take a shine
to his rambunctious ways,

but to upper-class Britain,
Captain Bob and his wife

remain still
nouveau riche outsiders.

I suppose it was that he was,
perhaps, somewhat vulgar.

It was that he wanted to be
a member of the establishment,

but he wasn't quite.

He liked being photographed
with people like Mother Teresa,

or better still, the queen.

I think he wanted the daughter,

in a way, he wanted
to live his life through her,

as this sort of society figure
that was accepted.

[Marina Cicogna]
The Cicogna family is typical

aristocratic Milanese family.

These families have been around
for quite a few centuries.

My name is Marina Cicogna.

Ghislaine Maxwell went out
with my brother's oldest son.

She was
Gianfranco's girlfriend.

Gianfranco died very young.

Gianfranco was
extremely handsome, really.

He was like a film star.

They were very nice together,
you know.

She seemed to me
to be a normal, nice,

uh, well-brought-up English
girl.

From what uh, people tell me,

Robert Maxwell was delighted

about the relationship.

Gianfranco was the kind of guy

uh, that he would have liked,

probably, as a son-in-law.

And I have to say,
who wouldn't, you know?

He was a nice guy,
he came from a good family,

he had a good education.

I think Gianfranco felt,
from what I understand,

very spoilt
by the Maxwell family.

I understand that if they go-
went by a-a shop

and uh, he liked something,

he would find it
in his room the next day,

which for a while flattered him.

I asked,
why did the relationship

between Gianfranco and
Ghislaine end after four years?

Gianfranco felt
a little bit uncomfortable

with the fact
that they were, you know,

giving him presents
all the time,

and uh, he felt uh, that they
felt

that he could be bought.

From what I hear,
he thought it was too much.

But if he had been
just him and Ghislaine,

uh, it would have been easier.

[McElvoy]
I certainly think that
there was a lot of trauma there

from her relationship
with her father.

I think she actually had to
work quite hard to please him.

She still had to turn up,
I think, at his bidding,

at Headington Hall.

[guests chattering]

I can remember Ghislaine
bringing people to meet him.

Her father expected it of her.

Ghislaine would be there,
I think, bringing in friends,

and a lot of them

women in their 20s,

and a crowd
who would liven it up

and make the party look-
look great

in the pages
of a sort of glossy magazine.

[play classical music]

Have you got drinks?
Have you been...?

And then there would be
Robert Maxwell

and his publishing cronies.

Then Ghislaine would sort of

bring someone
to meet her father,

and the impression
that you got was that

whether by preselection or
whether she just had to choose.

And I think this was her role.

Who would he like to talk to?

Who would he find interesting?

It was more like a court.

She was playing a part which
was way older than she was.

It sounds very privileged.

I think she had to earn
her father's love.

And the similarities,
that desire to please a man,

a powerful man,
who also enabled her

to live the way
that she wanted to live,

is really, I think,
that's the thread for me

throughout all of this.

She's still, you know,

she's still the-the same person,
in many ways,

but I think also,
what has happened,

and what she's been involved in,

then something must have changed
along the way.

And I think
that's the hardest thing

to put your finger on here.

[ticking]

After Oxford,

I remember her wanting to try
her hand at her own business.

She then started
to fly to New York a lot,

and she had a life
on both sides of the Atlantic.

It was also a time when
a lot of very ambitious people,

there was a bit of a pipeline

from that Oxford set
to New York.

I think she wanted to be seen
to make a mark somewhere,

and in a sense having two cities
at her disposal

probably suited her rather well.

[siren wails]

The new owner of the Daily News,
Bob Maxwell. Bob...

[crowd cheering]

[Tim Walker]
She was in New York,

involved in trying
to make something of the paper

for an American audience.

She was often
on the arm of her father, uh,

I think maybe as a kind of
fashion accessory, almost,

'cause Bob probably
thought that Betty,

to who he was then estranged,

wasn't a suitable person
for him to be seen with.

Betty at that point was older,

and I think he liked being seen

in the company
of somebody who was younger.

Bob and Ghislaine,
they were almost like a team,

the two of them.

They seemed to have
their own kind of language.

They seemed to be on their own
wavelength, their own level.

And I think he saw her

as kind of his representative.

[Maloney]
When I would see them together,

she was very dominant,

like a chip off the old block,

and would almost
be playing a part,

almost copying her father.

The way
that he wanted something,

he had a particular way
of going about it.

She gained that knowledge
from her father,

and now she was using it to
her advantage with her father.

[Christina Oxenberg]
I was at a wedding.

I was with my first husband.

And this was a-a wedding
in America,

very fancy,

and out of the crowd

burst Ghislaine,

advancing on my husband.

And then she juts her, um,

generous chin my way

and says, "What is this?"

She loops her arm
through husband's arm

and walks him off
into the crowd.

She was clearly intent on being

the dominant member
of the setting.

My first impression of her was
that this is a ridiculous person

who has an inflated ego,

who thinks
that she can be uh, rude

and there will be
no consequences.

[Ken Lennox]
I was working for
theDaily Mirror at the time.

I was shown
into the editor's office,

and he said, "Close the door."

"What I'm gonna tell you must
not get out of this office."

"The old man's gone missing
from the back of his yacht,

and there's a search
going for him just now."

"You're going to go up
onto the roof,

board the company helicopter."

"Your job is not
to take photographs,

it's to look after
Betty Maxwell."

Good evening.

The millionaire
newspaper publisher

Robert Maxwell is dead.

He disappeared overboard
from his private yacht

early this morning while
cruising off the Canary Islands.

[reporter]
Tonight, as the Lady Ghislaine
lay at berth,

the gathering of Robert
Maxwell's family was completed

with the arrival
of the daughter

after whom he had named
his fateful yacht.

[Lennox]
When she came aboard
and met Betty, her mother,

she was...

howling about her daddy.

Tears streaming down her face.

She was almost incoherent
at that stage.

She kept calling,
"My daddy, my daddy,"

you know, this sort of thing.

And uh, it was hard
to listen to, you know?

It was... distressing.

Suddenly she's confronted
with a huge disaster

which was way beyond anything

she would have been expected
to cope with.

It was almost as if somebody
had ripped her heart out of her.

I also want to take
this opportunity

to thank all the many
hundreds of people

who have sent

messages of support to us

at this very, very sad time.

[man]
We are here today
to bid farewell

to my father, Robert Maxwell.

Ghislaine was very, very upset
at the funeral.

She wasn't crying
floods of tears.

You could see
her head was bowed

and she was in deep thought.

Was she thinking,
"Crikey, you know,

what am I going to do now?"

Not only was she losing

her beloved father,

she was losing a lifestyle.

Now... who's going to supply
all that?

[theme music]

Good evening.
The headlines at six o'clock.

Robert Maxwell's business
empire is collapsing tonight.

Mirror Group newspapers said
that in the weeks before his
death,

Mr. Maxwell removed £350 million
from its pension fund

without apparent
proper authority.

[reporter] In the four weeks
since Robert Maxwell died,

it's become all too clear
that he spent the past 20 years

proving those who said he was
unfit to run a public company

absolutely right.

[Mariella Frostrup]
The whole Maxwell story
was toxic here.

It entered a room
before she did.

[reporter]
Sunday Mirror staff
were not surprised to hear

that offices were bugged.

Everyone knew who she was,

what had happened,
who her father was.

People believed they were
hateful, awful people.

A Spanish judge
says Robert Maxwell's death

appears
to have been accidental.

[reporter]
Speculation about the way
he died has been intense.

Others want to uncover
the facts of a death

which they see as suspicious.

It devastated their family.

And I think
it really devastated Ghislaine.

[newsreader]
Loss adjusters for the insurers
of Robert Maxwell's life

believe he probably
committed suicide,

although they say
the evidence is not conclusive.

[Mariella Frostrup]
I imagine
that she went to America

to get away from that,
to dump that baggage

and try and be unfettered
and free again, and...

Yeah... That's not
what happened, is it?

[ticking]

[Ghislaine]
I'm extremely sad that
my father is no longer here,

and for all the difficult times

for everybody
that's been involved.

But I don't feel in any way

smaller or lesser
than what I was before.

I remember phoning up
a mutual friend

who'd gone round to see her

very soon after
Robert Maxwell's death,

and who'd found her
very distraught at home,

with Maxwell memorabilia,
really, family photos,

but also sort of trophies
of his business life

spread around her,

and absolutely determined

to oppose the version of events

that he'd committed suicide.

[Ghislaine]
I always believe in the end
that the truth will out,

and that uh, eventually

the true story,
such as it is,

will be...

people will know more than...

than what they currently do.

It's- it'll take time.
It'll take time, that's all.

[Christina Oxenberg]
The next time
I ran into Ghislaine,

it was in New York City
in a restaurant.

She was much more demure.

She was much more subdued.

There was
none of that arrogance.

And I thought, "Be nice."

"She's gone through
something horrible."

"Let's give her
a second chance."

Some time after
running into Ghislaine,

she called me
and invited me to a tea party.

I remember
it was a hot summer day.

She kept declaring,
"I am broke, I'm broke."

"Can you believe
that this has happened to me?"

But the signs didn't add up.

She's um, in the smartest
part of town.

I mean,
if I'm broke and depressed,

I'm not throwing tea parties.

I'm, you know,
at home in my pajamas, crying,

like a normal person.

There were
three British girls there,

and then we had Ghislaine,
the hostess,

and she's remarkably
only wearing her panties.

But altogether shocking.

It was a white frilly bra

and underwear.

And she had paired this outfit

with a massive amount
of very expensive jewelry

and a full face of makeup.

So it was clearly
an intentional outfit.

She drew attention
to it repeatedly.

But everyone
was overlooking the fact

that it's completely abnormal.

None of us took our clothes off.

My takeaway was I was right
the first time I met her.

The dynamic that she's always
looking for is to be in control,

to be the- the most important
person in the room,

and if she has to strip naked
to do it, she'll do it.

[Jesse Kornbluth]
I didn't know Ghislaine until
the night she propositioned me.

In 1992 I ran into Ghislaine

at a party
given by Joan Rivers.

And I'm standing to the side
and Ghislaine comes over to me,

and within really three minutes,

what happened was so dazzling,

in this one sentence, which is,

"You know, if you lose
10 pounds, I'll fuck you".

The thing about Ghislaine
propositioning me

when my wife was within
four to five feet away

is that it was brazen.

It was so,
as the Brits would say, cheeky.

Talk about a power play.
That was a power play.

She was seducing me. She knew
how to work a room of guys.

She was putting it out there.

If it didn't work with me,

it would work
on someone else, right?

I was just a- a notch on her
belt.

It never happened to me before.
It never happened to me since.

It was a complete one-off,

but, then, so was Ghislaine.

There are many friends and
people out there who- who help.

You can never have too many
friends or too much help

in a situation like this.

[Anne McElvoy]
It's always been
a bit of a mystery

when Ghislaine Maxwell first
met Jeffrey Epstein and how,

but we know they got together
when she was in New York.

She met Jeffrey Epstein

and became involved

in a relationship with him,

very quickly after
her father's death.

Epstein was probably
one of them in those circles

who's respected most of all
for getting very rich,

and that mattered to her.

I think she respected that,

and that was
one of the things that...

that drew her to Epstein.

[Korbluth]
The only sin in New York
is not to have money.

Jeffrey could give, really, one
of the- the best five minutes

that you're gonna find
at a party.

He was engaging, he was ironic,
he was witty.

He listened to you. He didn't
look over your shoulder.

In the '80s,
he told me some stuff he did,

like, sometimes
he helped people

get money from African despots
who had stolen their money,

and sometimes
he worked with African despots

to help them keep the money
they had stolen.

And I thought,
"interesting guy".

I saw him again in his office,

which was large and empty.

If a computer was on his desk,
it was invisible.

Uh, he was a sort of
lord and master.

And I said, "Jeffrey,
I need to see you work."

[Leland Nally]
You know, Epstein as an enigma,

I mean,
even close friends of his

had no idea
where his money came from.

I know about Ghislaine Maxwell
from an article that I wrote

where I called everybody
in Epstein's little black book.

The book itself
is Jeffrey Epstein's

personal contact book.

There's celebrities
and scientists

and Nobel prize winners
and influential business people,

and it's a- a very considerable
cross-section

of the global elite,
essentially.

[Nally over recording]
The reason why I'm calling
is 'cause you were uh, listed

as a contact
in his contact book.

[Stuart Pivar]
I was? Oh. I thought he knew
my telephone number by heart.

[Nally]
Stuart Pivar was one of
the first people I talked to

who actually knew Epstein
in any sort of real way.

[Nally laughs]
Oh. Oh, really?
So you did know him well.

[Pivar]
Well, Jeffrey Epstein
was my best pal for decades.

[Nally]
Ghislaine came up firstly
in the actual text of the book,

and also about a quarter
of the people in the book,

I would estimate uh, knew her
but didn't know Epstein.

In trying to figure out who
Epstein was, I couldn't help
but figure out

who Ghislaine Maxwell was
as well.

[Pivar]
He appointed me
in charge of Ghislaine

while she was...
well, profoundly,

almost suicidally...
uh, depressed

from the death of her father.

He didn't want her
to kill herself,

so it was my job
to try to amuse her,

and to take to- to dinner
and lunch and what have you,

until she finally came around.

[McElvoy]
She said to someone
I-I knew well,

that, you know,
she felt that he'd saved her

after her father's death.

And I think
that was partly emotional.

I'd like to think that I'll be
able to do something positive.

I can't say what it is right
now 'cause I'm working on it,

and until I've done it...

[McElvoy]
I think she wanted a reason
to ground herself in New York,

in society, have a purpose
there, have a life there.

That relationship with
Jeffrey Epstein offered that,

so she took that opportunity.

[Christina Oxenberg] In 1993,
I had a strange little,

very short PR job,

and that's why
I spent three months

in the company
of Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

I had occasion to hear
out of her mouth

an effort that she was making

to convince me
that they were a couple,

but I knew that they weren't,

because I could see
with my own eyes

that there was no reciprocity

of romantic feelings.

There was no lingering looks.

There was no touching on the...
Nothing.

She was an employee.
He was the boss.

Ghislaine's job was
to bring her father's contacts,

deliver them to Jeffrey,

in return
for giving her the life

that she always thought
she would have,

lost, and was now replacing.

One day I say to her,

"Gosh, Ghislaine, how are you
keeping yourself so thin?"

And she says,
"Jeffrey likes his girls thin."

"How do you do it?"

And she says,

"Well, did you ever see anyone
in a concentration camp

with any weight on them?"

And she's laughing
in her delivery.

And she says
"Well, they didn't eat,

so I call it the Nazi diet."

"I just don't eat."

This was too important to her.

Him, the job,

everything was, like,
pathologically important.

Everything was for Jeffrey.

She did say to me, "The reason
Jeffrey keeps me around

is I don't make mistakes."

That's when
you start to realize,

well, what are we
dealing with here?

Many people
have lost their money,

you know, become impoverished.

They don't all turn to crime.
It's not the next step.

What I realized,
very late in the game, was...

she's evil,
she's evil and she's dangerous.