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In the Caribbean,
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on the shore of one
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of the American Virgin Islands,
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sits a strange, crumbling building.
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It's a monument to perhaps the most remarkable period
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in the history of animal science.
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In the 1960s, a group of researchers came here to study dolphins.
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Dolphins have been here 65 million years.
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We're just getting out of the trees. They know more than we do.
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Inspired by new discoveries about the animal mind,
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the researchers believed they could, for the first time,
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communicate with another species, by teaching dolphins to speak.
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Why not?
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That's what I kept saying.
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Let's do this.
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- Hello.
- Ah-oh.
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Speak English only, Peter.
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Their work had extraordinary ambition.
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Scientists believed if they could talk to dolphins,
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they could even talk to extra-terrestrials.
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Are we alone in the universe?
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Are there other creatures out there that we might get to know?
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It wasn't science fiction.
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It was... "Wow, this is where we're going."
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But what started with '60s idealism
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would spiral into the darkness of the decade,
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and end in tragedy.
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"The worst experiment in the world,"
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I've read somewhere, was me and Peter.
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Until now,
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those involved have never spoken publicly about the experiment.
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But 50 years on, they've broken their silence
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to reveal just what happened within these walls.
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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting
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Communication is what defines us as humans.
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We're a social species, which wants to talk to others,
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and not just other people.
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It's long been a human dream to be able to talk to the animals.
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Do this, Vicky.
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THEY BLOW AIR
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Early experiments in the 20th century involved
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trying to teach the great apes sign language,
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and even how to speak English.
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Another sound resembles the letter K.
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Vicky. Sit up, girl. Come on. Do this.
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THEY MAKE SOUNDS
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Vicky has to hold her hand over her nose.
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But by the end of the 1950s, there had been no real progress
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and serious scientific attempts to talk to the animals
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ground to a halt.
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There was one person, however, who hadn't given up.
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His name was John Lilly.
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John Lilly was a scientist, a visionary
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and, uh, maybe above all, an explorer.
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Explorer of the brain, the mind.
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Lilly's a fascinating character.
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He was a super smart,
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physics-oriented, Caltech grad,
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who during the Second World War,
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ends up working in an aviation physiology laboratory,
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doing experimental work on American pilots, monitoring data
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about heart rates and respiration.
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And then subsequently, as his research life develops,
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increasingly interested in animals.
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By the late '50s, Lilly was a respected brain-scientist
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working for the American National Institute Of Mental Health.
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If one believes that they not only
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have the brain to learn it, but the ears...
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His area of expertise was what brains of animals
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could tell us about our own.
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His wife, Mary, worked with him.
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He was always interested in brains.
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And he would find out what areas of the brains did what,
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that sort of thing.
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But it's easier to work on other species than humans.
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And there was one species whose brain fascinated Lilly
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above all others...
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..an animal which human beings believed was one of the cleverest
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and most ancient creatures on Earth -
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the bottlenose dolphin, also often called the porpoise.
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So, they've been here, you know, 25 million years.
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We haven't been here that long.
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We've only been here with our present brain size
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about two tenths of a million years.
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This is a big brain.
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This is a bigger brain than we're accustomed to working on.
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In fact, it's a bigger brain than a human brain!
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Lilly needed access to the dolphins' super-sized brains.
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And he found it in Florida.
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Leaping three feet out of the water
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and through a hoop is only one of the accomplishments of Flippy,
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the pride of the studios at Marine Land Florida.
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Flippy gets a big kick out of demonstrating his high IQ.
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Marine Studios in Florida
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is one of the first institutions in the post-war period to keep
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a bottlenose dolphin in captivity.
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Lilly makes his way down there in order to have access to
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some of these animals for experimental purposes.
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Lilly began doing brain experiments on the dolphins
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and recording their reactions.
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One day, in 1957, this research triggered a behaviour that
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would change the course of his life.
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The first to spot it was Mary.
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Whilst John and his team were working nearby,
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she noticed something they'd missed.
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I came in.
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I heard John talking and the porpoise would go
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"Awawawawawa," like John.
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Chee-chee. Chee-chee. More, more. Fish.
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And then I realised it was hearing their voices and imitating them.
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And I went down to where they were operating
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and told them that this was going on, and they were quite startled.
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More, more fish.
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DOLPHIN SQUEAKS
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Lilly was convinced the dolphin was imitating the humans,
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trying to speak to them.
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If he was right, it would be one
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of the greatest discoveries in the history of science.
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For the rest of his career, Lilly would write about and talk about
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that moment in 1957, where it all popped open for him.
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He thinks that this indicates ambition on their part
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to communicate with the beings around them that are human.
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A breakthrough of not just scientific, but potentially
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even world historic significance -
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humans were being displaced from their position
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atop the cosmos of intelligent creatures.
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We were not alone.
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DOLPHIN SQUEAKS
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"And now... here's Jack."
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Lilly believed his mimicking dolphins would revolutionise
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the science of animal communication.
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For the first time, here was another species which seemed to be
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trying to make contact with us.
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And in 1961, he published a book revealing his findings.
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John, what was the prediction in your book that caused such comment?
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I predicted that, within a decade or two,
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the human species would establish communication
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with another species.
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This is a scientist.
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This isn't some, you know, nut that I've brought out here!
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- This man knows... He may be a little nutty, I don't know.
- Thank you(!)
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But he's a real, acknowledged scientist.
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Now, roll this film and you're going to see some interesting things.
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These are some of the sounds they make.
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What in the main do you think dolphins talk among each other?
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Oh. Food, sex and danger.
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Sounds like Westport, Connecticut, to me, there.
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That's it, forward. Come on.
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Come on.
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That's it.
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Lilly's talking dolphins captured the public's imagination.
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But for one group of people, his work had special significance.
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'OK, it is in.'
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'Ignition.'
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'Blast off!'
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In the early '60s, America was in the midst of a space-race...
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..launching satellites and spacecraft to the Moon and planets.
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'That's as far as we go for EDA.
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'OK, they're free from EDA from here. Ready for decompression.'
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And surprisingly, Lilly's ideas chimed with this new space age.
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They'd caught the eye of a team of American astronomers
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who were searching for extra-terrestrial life.
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They were led by Frank Drake.
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It was a very exciting book
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because it had these new ideas -
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particularly the idea that there could be creatures
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as intelligent and sophisticated
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in their thinking as us,
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and yet living in a far different milieu.
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Drake and his team were part of an official, government-funded
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project to use radio telescopes to listen for signals from other
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intelligent life in the galaxy.
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For them, Lilly's work was potentially groundbreaking.
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The possible intelligence of dolphins was of special interest to me
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and the others who were interested in extraterrestrial intelligent life
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because we wanted to understand as much as we could about
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what the challenges were going to be in communicating
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with other intelligent species.
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There might be other civilisations in space attempting to send us
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messages.
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The detection of extraterrestrial signals
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are going to be one of the most exciting things
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that ever happened.
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Here was perhaps an example of another intelligent species,
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very different from us -
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its vocal system was very different, its means of communicating
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any information was different.
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It would tell us what was important,
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what we should specialise in,
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what we should learn as much as we can about
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if we were to understand extraterrestrial intelligent life.
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'Four, three, two...
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'All engines ready.'
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Lilly realised the astronomers' interest opened up an opportunity.
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America's space programme was extremely well-funded through NASA.
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Here was his chance to get funding for a whole new phase of research.
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Lilly brilliantly pitches the space administration
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on the idea that they need
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a model organism
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upon which to experiment
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for the prospect of an encounter with aliens.
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NASA backed Lilly with many thousands of dollars.
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And with financial support from other government agencies
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like the US Navy,
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he commissioned the lab of his dreams.
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At St Thomas in the Virgin Islands, stands a unique laboratory...
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In 1961, Lilly built a white, modern villa right on the shore
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of St Thomas', one of the American Virgin Islands in the Caribbean.
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This was the Dolphin House.
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Here, a thousand miles from the American mainland,
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he would now focus on research into human communication with dolphins.
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Lilly had discovered that dolphins become quickly responsive
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to human companions.
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In daily playtime, they develop intense friendships,
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often prefer people to other dolphins...
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But Lilly would need a team to help him carry out the work.
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Lilly was charismatic,
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and he attracted some brilliant and hardworking people.
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He recruits a very significant figure - Gregory Bateson,
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an anthropologist - who rounds out his team for thinking
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big about these animals.
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Gregory Bateson was an intellectual giant of his time.
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He had explored subjects like linguistics
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and human anthropology at Cambridge and Sydney Universities.
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Now he was looking for an opportunity to study
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animal behaviour.
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I worked as an anthropologist.
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I looked around and I was clear
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I didn't want to live in a lab.
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Gregory had been doing
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behavioural work - not only with humans but with
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otters. And we had in our house 17 octopuses.
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And we were studying their personal relationships.
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Which was interesting.
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Bateson's area of interest wasn't humans communicating with
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animals, but rather how animals communicated with each other.
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But in 1963, he was persuaded by Lilly to move his family out
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to St Thomas' - including his 11-year-old stepson.
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My Dad was much more interested in
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the interaction between the dolphins.
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Looking at the posture of pectoral fins - I mean,
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does this mean something? Or the...uh, the alignment
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of two animals swimming together,
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is this sexual or is this just friendship
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or is this just waiting to be fed?
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The house was built over a single outdoor pool
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where the dolphins would live.
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Linked to the sea, it was cleaned by the tide.
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Lilly's new lab offered the best conditions
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possible for the animals in captivity.
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And a window would allow Bateson to observe the creatures underwater.
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I actually thought it was fantastic.
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I mean, the water was absolutely crystal. That was neat.
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I mean, it was just... It was all new. It was exotic.
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That's the best word I can say for it.
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The island's vet was also enlisted to ensure
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the wellbeing of Lilly's dolphins.
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Dr Lilly called me.
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And he put me through an interview.
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His concern was the health of his animals.
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He wanted to be sure that I could relate
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to the dolphins by putting me in the water with them.
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And then, early in 1964, the lab had a visitor.
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Margaret Howe was an attractive, 22-year-old college dropout
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who had come to St Thomas' in search of adventure.
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She'd heard rumours about a strange house at the end of the island
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which had dolphins.
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I was curious and I drove out and found signs saying, "Keep Out."
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It was pretty isolated.
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And I said, "Well, I heard you had dolphins here and I thought I'd come
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"and see if there's anything I can do or if there's any way I could help."
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Gregory Bateson sat me at the top of this spiral staircase,
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where you could just look down and he said, "Just sit here
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"and write what you think is happening, what you see."
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You begin to think...
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There's things going on other than just the prettiness of it all.
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One of them is in front. One is in the back.
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One is above. One is below.
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One jumped. The other one went ahead.
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And after an hour, I figured that out and started writing that.
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Gregory Bateson said, "I like the way you wrote that.
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"You think well on your feet."
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He said, "You're able to see things.
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"You can come here any time you want.
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"We can't pay you, but you can come here.
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"Would you like to do that?"
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"Yes," I said.
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"Yes, thank you! I will come back here any time."
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So I did.
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Margaret Howe rounded off Lilly's human team.
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But it was the dolphins that everyone was there to study.
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Lilly brought them from Marine Studios in Miami.
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Before coming to the Virgin Islands, they'd also been used in filming
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the movie Flipper.
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There were three animals at the VI lab.
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Peter, Pamela and Sissy.
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Sissy was the biggest one.
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She was pushy, loud.
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Sort of ran the show.
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So I had... Most of my relationship was with Sissy.
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Very social.
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Pam, she wouldn't come near anybody.
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It took a full year before I was able to get close enough to her
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to stroke her.
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You are drawn to an animal who is shy and a little fearful.
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It makes you feel good when they will come
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and you can help them over that.
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And that was Pamela.
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And then there was one male dolphin.
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Peter was an immature male. I don't think he was fully mature.
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He was different.
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He was definitely a young guy.
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Sexually coming of age, I'm sure, and
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liked Sissy. And Sissy was always having to... Bip!
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She'd... Bip! Flip him off like that.
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And that's who they were.
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By February, 1964, the lab was in full operation.
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Lilly was often away travelling, publicising his work or
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raising funds, so left much of the research to the others.
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He charged Margaret with picking up the mimicry work
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where he'd left off.
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It was her job to encourage the dolphins to copy the specific
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sounds of human speech.
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They can click and squeak and whistle
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and do all the dolphin noises, and there are many.
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But this human-like sound, humanoid they call it, not underwater,
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in the air, and through the blowhole.
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The blow hole, where they force air out of the lungs,
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and the lips on the blow hole, actually open and closing,
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and they can talk that way, if you want to call it talking.
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Margaret began to focus on one of the dolphins in particular -
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the male.
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I really chose to work with Peter
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because he'd not had any human-like sound training.
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The other two had.
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My first goal was to get him to listen while I speak.
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And then I would listen while he speaks and we would set up this
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conversation-type thing where we could make some sort of progress.
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Today is January 27th. The time is 09.00 hours.
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PETER CLICKS
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Much of the work in the Dolphin House was captured on tape,
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and these are the real sound recordings of Margaret's lessons.
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A, E, I, O.
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PETER SQUEAKS
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But from the start, Peter was a reluctant pupil.
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Speak for fish.
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Don't squirt.
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He would listen to me.
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And I would say, "No, no, no, no, Peter.
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"What I want you to do is count to three.
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"You're going to say one, two, three,"
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and Peter wouldn't repeat everything I told him,
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he would work on the "eh, oh, eeyr..."
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HE SQUEAKS
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Listen. One, two, three.
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HE WARBLES
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You can do better, Peter.
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Yeah, we had a few disagreements on things.
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He could slap his tail.
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You know when a dolphin is annoyed.
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"One, two, three, I've already done that. I..."
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"One, two, three, I told you I've...
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"I'm going to do it one more time. One, two, three, and now that's it."
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And he'd disappear.
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HE SQUEAKS LOUDLY
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The mimicry work seemed to have stalled.
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But then Margaret had an idea.
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It was very ambitious.
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Every night we would all get in our cars and pull the garage door down
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and click it and everybody would drive away.
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And I thought, "Well, there's this big brain,
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"three big brains floating around all night.
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"What's really going on?"
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And it amazed me that everyone kept leaving.
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And I said, "That's craziness."
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I said, "I will stay and I will do this."
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And Lilly said, "What's that?"
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I said, "I want to plaster everything
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"and fill this place with water.
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"I want to live here with Peter."
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And Lilly got very excited.
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And he went for it.
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Margaret drew up radical plans for the house.
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She began completely redesigning the layout of the upstairs rooms,
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altering their shape
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and making them waterproof.
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The building had not been built to flood.
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And we're gonna flood the place comfortably - knee deep,
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a little bit deeper.
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I didn't want to just be indoors for so long, so the balcony as well.
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We flooded it and it kept leaking, so we had to drain it all
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and plaster it up again. It took a while.
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They had a giant elevator.
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You'd get the animal on the elevator with a sling under it.
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That's how the animal got up and down.
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Margaret had created a domestic dolphinarium,
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where she and Peter could live together
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in a semi-aquatic environment.
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I had a desk hanging from the ceiling, a telephone,
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and a little stove I could make tea.
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I was on a foam cushion and Peter would sleep next to me,
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and he would sleep as long as I did.
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And I lived there day and night.
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And it was perfect.
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And so, Margaret's extraordinary experiment began.
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Over the coming months, she would live with Peter
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in the Dolphin House almost full-time.
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Margaret would immerse him completely in her world
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to try to teach him English, like a mother teaching a child to speak.
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One, two, three, four.
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These are the audio recordings she made.
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Today is...
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HE SQUEAKS August 18th.
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This is the morning lesson with Peter.
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Hello.
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HE WARBLES
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No. Hello.
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HE WARBLES
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Clearly, Peter.
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HE WARBLES PARTLY UNDERWATER
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What's all the bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh? Come on!
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I didn't talk to Peter the way I talk to you.
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I...
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I spoke in single words usually
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and made inflection, something that he could follow.
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That they were very good at.
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The enunciation was not good.
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But if I said, "One, two, THREE."
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I...I wouldn't get one, two, three,
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but I would get, "Wah, urwah, REHR."
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One, two, THREE.
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Ehr, ehr, ehr.
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Good boy.
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Hard as Peter tried,
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there were still some anatomical restrictions
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that limited his speech.
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"M" is very difficult.
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My name, you know, "Hello, Margaret," I worked on.
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And M is just impossible,
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but he eventually rolled over so that it kind of... "Bwah..."
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He would bubble it into the water.
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Mmmm...
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Margaret.
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Ahee-aaheeee.
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Oh, he just couldn't get it right!
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And he just would try and he would try. God!
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To help with Peter's pronunciation,
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Margaret wanted to draw his attention to the movement
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of her mouth and lips.
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His blowhole and my mouth
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sort of were trying to do the same thing,
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I actually put a white make-up -
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thick white and black around my mouth -
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so that when I was talking to him
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or teaching a word,
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he could really see my blowhole, as it were,
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and I would...
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really use my mouth, with this make-up on it,
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and his eye was in air looking at my mouth,
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I mean, no question about it. He wanted to know,
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"Where is that noise coming from? What is that sound?"
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Fish in buck-et.
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HE SQUEAKS
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During his visits back to the Dolphin House,
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Lilly was delighted by Margaret's progress.
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I feel armed with a kind of knowledge...
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..that we could never have obtained...
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..except through these experiments.
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This must be supported
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and enthusiastically encouraged.
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He was very enthusiastic about it. We were very together.
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I felt very supported and encouraged to do more.
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But not everyone was as enthusiastic about Margaret's experiments.
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Whilst the Batesons were happy to swim with the dolphins,
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they weren't keen to teach them English.
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Lois' husband, Gregory, doubted its scientific merit.
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He felt his research on dolphin-to-dolphin communication
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in the sea pool downstairs was of more value
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than Margaret's work with Peter.
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We liked Margaret.
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She was certainly trying to see
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if they could be trained to speak English
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SHE CHUCKLES
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Which was an ambitious plan.
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It was interesting, but, you know, it wasn't...
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It wasn't our cup of tea.
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Despite the Bateson's doubts, Margaret persevered.
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She began using Peter's curiosity and playfulness to keep him
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interested in the lessons.
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Whatever I brought to him,
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whether it was me or an object
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or just my time or my voice,
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he was interested in that.
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Uh, and that's very appealing.
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Whether it was a ball or a toy or a square shape or whatever
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I was interested in, he would have to turn to that.
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And he did.
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He loved to look at different shapes and...
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and different sets of things and little toys.
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Let's go through all our toys, Peter.
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- Ball.
- Baaah-ba.
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Good.
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Oblong.
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- Ah-aaaaah.
- Good!
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Triangle.
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Ah-ah-ah.
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Oh, nice, Peter! Beautiful!
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We just hit it off. We had that connection.
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We were a team and it...it just worked.
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SATELLITE SOUNDS
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Margaret's progress with Peter also intrigued the astronomers.
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They wanted to know whether the experiment to talk to another
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species was producing results.
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In the summer of 1965, they dispatched the famous
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astronomer, Carl Sagan.
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It's possible,
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but by no means certain that life on many of these planets
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evolves into beings
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which are as advanced as we, or more advanced.
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00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,400
Carl, I think, was into anything that had anything to do with
521
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,600
trying to speak to anything alien.
522
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Dolphins, they're another species, in a different environment
523
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,040
and in that regard, I think, the space people were interested.
524
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,800
- Hello.
- Ah-oh.
525
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Oh! I like it, I like it, I like it, Peter!
526
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Good boy.
527
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,120
It was clear to Sagan
528
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160
and the astronomers that despite Margaret's progress,
529
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,920
Peter was a long way from being able to understand and use English.
530
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880
So instead of teaching the dolphins a human language,
531
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,040
like the Batesons, they suggested Lilly try to find out
532
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520
how dolphins communicate with each other.
533
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,760
A prime experiment we suggested to him
534
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,200
was to reveal just how complicated a message
535
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080
one dolphin could communicate with another dolphin.
536
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
And so we would suggest to have two dolphins,
537
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,880
one in each tank of water, separately,
538
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,560
not able to see each other,
539
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,080
but to be able to hear any phonations - one to the other -
540
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,480
and that he should teach one dolphin
541
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,480
some procedure by which it could
542
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240
obtain food
543
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360
and then see if it could tell the other dolphin
544
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,520
how to do the same thing in its tank.
545
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,120
This was a prime experiment to be done,
546
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,000
but he was never able to do it.
547
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Ball.
548
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,560
Instead, Lilly instructed Margaret to continue her lessons with Peter.
549
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Ball.
550
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Ball.
551
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Ball.
552
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120
- Eh-ho.
- No.
553
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Ball.
554
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,800
- Ahll.
- That's it! Yes!
555
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Now you're getting there.
556
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,800
His vocalisation got better.
557
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,080
It was never clear, uh,
558
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320
but it had control and it had tone
559
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,080
and it had space between the words.
560
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760
The effort was there and that's what impressed me.
561
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Ahll.
562
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,160
SHE CLAPS You're a good boy, yes, you are!
563
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Thank you, Peter.
564
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Margaret's lessons with Peter upstairs in the flooded house
565
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080
ran for six days a week.
566
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,360
But on their day off,
567
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,520
they would join the others downstairs in the sea pool for fun.
568
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,400
One day, Andy Williamson brought his dog, Suki, to the house,
569
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,720
an encounter they captured on film.
570
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Suki came into The Dolphin House,
571
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,480
the door was open into the pool.
572
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,920
And she saw me in the water.
573
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,600
And next thing I knew,
574
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,880
she took a little flying leap right into the pool.
575
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400
And Andy and I are just shocked! And we thought, "Oh, my God!"
576
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Peter passed her a couple of times and rubbed against her.
577
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,120
And Suki went crazy.
578
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,640
She was quivering. Her little ears were going like this,
579
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
she was just... And Andy was holding her.
580
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Peter came up and stuck his beak right up,
581
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,440
made a couple of squeaks or clicking sounds.
582
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,120
And Suki went off Andy's shoulder.
583
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,480
Dachshunds, the way they are built with short little legs,
584
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680
I mean, she kind of sank a bit.
585
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Started paddling around.
586
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,160
The dog was having fun and the dolphins were having fun,
587
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,960
they were all having a party.
588
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Life went on at the Dolphin House.
589
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,520
But back on the mainland, Lilly's interests were shifting.
590
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
MUSIC: "Eight Miles High" by The Byrds
591
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520
It was the mid-1960s
592
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,680
and a new mind-altering drug had been invented - LSD.
593
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,880
# Eight miles high
594
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,760
# And when you touch down
595
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,880
# You'll find that it's stranger
596
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,400
# Than known
597
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,960
# Signs in... #
598
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,240
Brain scientist Lilly became obsessed by how humans
599
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,840
reacted to it.
600
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520
And he began experimenting on himself,
601
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,640
convinced that it offered exciting new opportunities
602
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,280
to explore the mind.
603
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,240
There was one time where he said,
604
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,320
"All right, I'm going to go up and inject the LSD."
605
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600
And I said, "Whoa!
606
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,240
"I will have nothing to do with that.
607
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:20,280
"And I will stay out of that, and you stay out of my business,"
608
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,080
which was dolphins.
609
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,720
I could see the difference in John Lilly.
610
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:28,240
He went from being, you know, a guy with a tie and a white coat
611
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:31,480
and a scientist in his laboratory to
612
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,040
a full blown hippie after a while.
613
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,520
He was a real explorer of those drugs that
614
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,120
expand our consciousness, you know.
615
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,600
I don't know there were too many
616
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,240
people with his...his expertise
617
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:48,880
and his scientific background that was doing that kind of work.
618
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,360
John's self-experimentation with LSD was becoming a concern for Margaret.
619
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,760
But something else was affecting her work with Peter.
620
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,360
They have sexual urges.
621
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,600
I'm sure Peter had plenty of thoughts along those lines.
622
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,840
Peter liked to be...with me.
623
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,560
He would rub himself on my knee or my foot or my hand or...
624
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960
whatever, and I allowed that. I wasn't uncomfortable with that,
625
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960
as long as it wasn't too rough.
626
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,240
Peter had caused Margaret some
627
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,840
minor injuries on her legs and stuff
628
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,080
of pushing like an obsessed suitor.
629
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,240
In the beginning, when he would get rambunctious and had this need,
630
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,640
I would put him on the elevator and say,
631
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,760
"You go play with the girls for a day."
632
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,080
HE SQUEAKS
633
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080
But as Peter's urges grew more frequent,
634
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,480
the process of transporting him down to the two female dolphins
635
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,840
to satisfy him proved disruptive.
636
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,240
And Margaret felt the best way of focusing his mind
637
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,040
back on the lessons, was to relieve his desires herself manually.
638
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,840
It was just easier to incorporate that and let it happen.
639
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,000
It was very, uh, precious.
640
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,480
It was very gentle.
641
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Peter was right there.
642
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,760
He knew that I was right there.
643
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Again, it was sexual on his part, it was not sexual on mine.
644
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,800
Sensuous perhaps.
645
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,640
It had just become part of what was going on.
646
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,760
Like an itch, you just get rid of that.
647
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920
"We'll scratch it and we'll be done, move on."
648
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,560
And that's really all it was.
649
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,360
I was there to get to know Peter, that was part of Peter.
650
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,480
It was great that she wasn't going to be damaged by that,
651
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,400
but, as a veterinarian,
652
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600
I wondered about poor Peter.
653
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,600
This dolphin was madly in love with her.
654
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Margaret.
655
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Ahee-aaheeee.
656
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,480
Margaret and Peter's relationship was continuing to deepen.
657
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,080
But with his ringside seat at the Dolphin House,
658
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120
anthropologist Gregory Bateson was now seriously questioning
659
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,560
the value of Lilly's work.
660
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,720
My dad had, I think,
661
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,000
a pretty firm and clear view that this was a kind of circus trick.
662
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,800
For Bateson, Peter was simply copying Margaret's sounds
663
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,400
with no real comprehension of what he was saying.
664
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
I can't see why anybody in their right mind would think...
665
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,440
..they were going to be able to teach or learn to speak
666
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,360
in some common language.
667
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320
You're not demonstrating anything about an animal's capacity
668
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,320
for language by getting them to master some part of your language.
669
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,920
You want to find out whether they have language,
670
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,600
you want to find out what they have for their language.
671
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Come right out with the English, Peter.
672
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040
Don't even think in your own language.
673
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,160
English all the time.
674
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,480
- Margaret.
- Ah-ah.
675
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,400
Better. Thank you, Peter.
676
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640
Like Gregory Bateson, Lilly's funders were also having
677
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120
doubts about the value of the work.
678
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,800
And from 1965, in the absence of more impressive results,
679
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,200
they were starting to pull out.
680
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,920
Any of the work with dolphins was very difficult -
681
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,360
time consuming, expensive -
682
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,080
and at that time, John was not adequately financed
683
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,360
to really conduct the experiments that needed to be done.
684
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,880
As funding for the Dolphin House looked increasingly shaky,
685
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,800
Lilly was becoming desperate for results to impress his backers.
686
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,440
He turned to the one experiment he had so far resisted.
687
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Why wouldn't you go ahead and use this very powerful drug
688
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520
that has been used to facilitate psychotherapy,
689
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,680
namely LSD?
690
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,840
Take a little bit yourself so you're a little more open
691
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,600
to the alien world of the other and...
692
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,360
and heck while you're at it,
693
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,960
give a little bit to the dolphin so that they're a little bit more
694
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,520
kind of open to the communicative world of the other themselves.
695
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,760
Lilly hoped that giving the dolphins LSD would have a dramatic effect.
696
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,440
In a note to Gregory Bateson, he even wondered
697
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,440
if it might cause the animals to stop breathing.
698
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,600
LSD's a pretty powerful, psychedelic drug,
699
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,240
and I had no idea how the dolphins would react to that.
700
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,920
I mean, humans didn't always react to it very well, so, you know...
701
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Despite these uncertainties about the consequences,
702
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,960
Lilly became obsessed with giving LSD to the dolphins.
703
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120
My first thought was, "Not Peter."
704
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,840
I just said, "Not Peter."
705
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,560
What was I? 24 or something.
706
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,000
And it was his stuff, it was his animals, it was his pool.
707
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,880
I can't stop him.
708
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,600
Lilly coerced Margaret into being an assistant to his LSD experiment
709
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,640
on the dolphins.
710
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:29,240
And he pulled back and he said, "OK, not Peter."
711
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,120
We pulled Peter out of the sea pool where they were.
712
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,320
So Pam and Sissy were in the sea pool.
713
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,920
And John did inject them with LSD.
714
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,600
- LILLY:
- 10:06pm.
715
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,400
Different species react in different ways.
716
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Playing with pharmaceuticals is tricky business to say the least.
717
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,800
We didn't know what was going to happen.
718
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,480
And we certainly weren't prepared for anything to happen.
719
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480
The dolphins were circling,
720
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,920
and John occasionally glanced
721
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,040
and said, "Oh, well, it's only been ten minutes."
722
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,320
And nothing was going on and it's been, well, 20 minutes now.
723
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,680
Nothing was going on, nothing, nothing, nothing happened, period.
724
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,720
Lilly was desperate to provoke a response.
725
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,680
He came up with a bizarre and cruel idea,
726
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,000
which shows how far he'd now come from genuine scientific research.
727
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,720
Dolphins have extraordinarily sensitive hearing,
728
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,440
using sound waves to sense their environment.
729
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,360
Could he use that to trigger a reaction?
730
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,680
And then John disappeared, and he went to the other side
731
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240
and he picked up a jackhammer.
732
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,280
Jackhammer makes a big "thunk" going through the earth
733
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,200
and the cement and the rock and...
734
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,160
And he just started jackhammering,
735
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,360
which had everything sort of shaking.
736
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,400
And still nothing happened.
737
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,360
So that was sort of the end of it.
738
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,120
It just confirmed for me that John Lilly and I,
739
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,080
we were...we're very different.
740
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,920
For Gregory Bateson,
741
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840
Lilly's use of LSD on the dolphins was the last straw.
742
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,560
He packed up the family and left.
743
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,240
St Thomas was really an impossible place to work.
744
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,520
And I actually don't think he felt like he made much progress
745
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,960
that year in St Thomas.
746
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,200
We had learned as much as we could from that particular setting
747
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920
in St Thomas
748
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,160
and we just felt it was time to go.
749
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
With the Batesons gone and funding turned off,
750
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,560
by the summer of 1966, Lilly was running up large debts.
751
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,880
And in his LSD-fuelled world,
752
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,320
his attention was drifting away.
753
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000
He lost focus on it,
754
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:34,760
and the drug culture and the LSD took his interest away.
755
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,640
It did fall apart at the end.
756
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,360
Badly.
757
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,400
The Dolphin House would have to close.
758
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,800
But decommissioning it would not be easy.
759
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,360
When you're dealing with live subjects,
760
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,160
whether they're rats or monkeys or dolphins,
761
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,040
what do you do with them after...
762
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,000
..after the experiments are over?
763
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,200
There was nothing we could do about it.
764
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Lilly decided the dolphins would be transported to the US mainland,
765
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,080
to live in another private lab he ran outside Miami.
766
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,200
It would be the end of Margaret and Peter's relationship.
767
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,280
He wasn't mine. I couldn't keep him.
768
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,120
We couldn't elope, you know.
769
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,360
We couldn't rush off into the sea and disappear and hide.
770
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,200
You just can't do that.
771
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,280
It's a very expensive business, having a dolphin.
772
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160
If he'd been a cat or a dog, I could have made a deal and kept him,
773
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,800
but, uh... How do you do that?
774
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,040
After months of living almost continuously with Peter,
775
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,720
the experiment was over.
776
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
It was time for Margaret to say goodbye.
777
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,800
I went back to the lab and spent the evening
778
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,840
and the night with Peter.
779
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Being in the water with him, and just that sweetness.
780
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,920
It was very special and privileged.
781
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,360
Somebody who really wants you to be there
782
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640
and sometimes is just comforted by the fact that you are there.
783
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,840
That was misty-eyed, because at that point, I knew...
784
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520
..and Peter didn't know,
785
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,880
but I knew that that was the end.
786
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,440
In October 1966, the dolphins were loaded into travelling tanks
787
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,960
to be flown to Lilly's lab on the mainland.
788
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,520
Seeing that plane take off and circle - I didn't go with them -
789
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,360
that was emotional.
790
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,400
Margaret and Andy believed the animals had gone to a good home.
791
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,360
I was told that they were shipped some place where
792
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,800
they would be very happy.
793
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,000
I was told he arrived healthy, that they had him checked by a vet.
794
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,120
In reality,
795
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,560
this is the building outside Miami where the dolphins were moved to.
796
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,280
THEY SQUEAL
797
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,560
With little or no natural light and tiny, cramped tanks,
798
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,440
this nightmarish room was a very different environment
799
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,720
to the Dolphin House.
800
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Lilly's friend Ric O'Barry remembers once visiting the labs.
801
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,160
It was awful, to be frank. It was awful.
802
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,280
The first thing that hit you... Bff! ..was that smell.
803
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,360
Dolphins urinate and defecate
804
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160
three to five times the quantity people will,
805
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,880
so you can imagine the stench of having dolphins
806
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120
inside of that small room,
807
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,440
in a plastic, portable swimming pool.
808
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,600
And the chlorine... Copper sulphate, chlorine, heavily chlorinated...
809
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,080
Yeah, it was awful. It was awful.
810
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880
THEY SQUEAL
811
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,400
Back at the Dolphin House, Margaret was oblivious
812
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480
to the conditions the dolphins were now being kept in.
813
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,280
Weeks passed, and then Margaret received a phone call about Peter.
814
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,760
I got that phone call.
815
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,680
From John Lilly.
816
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,280
John called me himself to...to tell me.
817
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,320
And he said he committed suicide.
818
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,800
Suicide.
819
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,320
And I use that word with some trepidation,
820
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,680
at the risk of sounding anthropomorphic, but
821
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,160
it does describe what is indeed self-induced asphyxiation.
822
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,400
They're not automatic air breathers like we are.
823
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,920
Every breath is a conscious effort.
824
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,080
If life becomes too unbearable,
825
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,400
the dolphins just take a breath...
826
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,160
And they sink to the bottom. They don't take that next breath.
827
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,480
The shock of being moved from the Dolphin House had been too much.
828
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,800
Peter, it seems, had died of a broken heart.
829
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,720
You could think that Margaret could rationalise it,
830
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,160
but when she left, could Peter?
831
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Here's the love of his life, gone.
832
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,680
50 years of ocean and storms have taken their toll
833
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,040
on the Dolphin House.
834
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,640
RECORDING OF MARGARET: I must eat my fish.
835
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,280
Today, this derelict shell is all that remains of the building which
836
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,440
housed the strangest experiment in the history of animal science.
837
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,320
The ruins of the Dolphin House...
838
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520
It's easy to see, in that brokenness,
839
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,800
the...pathetic brokenness
840
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,880
of Lilly's own extraordinary ambition.
841
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,360
Boy.
842
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,720
PETER CLICKS AND SQUEAKS
843
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,360
Lovely!
844
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,800
People who study language aren't really persuaded
845
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,400
that his claims about dolphin talking
846
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,680
are really informed by the best work
847
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,600
in the study of language itself.
848
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,800
Instead, today's leading animal language experts believe what
849
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,400
happened at the Dolphin House was in reality a sophisticated
850
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,800
mimicry experiment.
851
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:13,960
Listen.
852
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Fish in Buck-et.
853
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Your parrot says, "Polly want a cracker,"
854
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,560
and you give that parrot a cracker,
855
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,600
have you broken through to an alien species?
856
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Fish in Buck-et.
857
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,680
- Ah-ah-ah!
- Yes!
858
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,840
Peter could copy Margaret's sounds
859
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,040
and relate them to objects and people.
860
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,800
What he couldn't do was use the words to communicate
861
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,560
spontaneously back to her.
862
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,880
He listens to me so well!
863
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,120
Listen.
864
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,560
Margaret.
865
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Margaret.
866
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,800
Margaret.
867
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,520
Ah-aaaaah.
868
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Listen, listen.
869
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,720
For Margaret, this was simply because the experiment
870
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,640
was stopped too early.
871
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,880
She believes Peter's progress was far more advanced than
872
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,800
a human infant's would have been after the same coaching.
873
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,520
And with more time,
874
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,120
she feels she would have taken his communication to the next level.
875
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,360
Six months.
876
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,440
You have a six-month-old baby, they're doing that? No.
877
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,040
You're talking to them all the time, sleeping with them,
878
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,520
hugging them, cuddling them, Are they doing that? No.
879
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,400
It's nothing. But people are impatient.
880
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Do more, do more.
881
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,400
Despite the failure of the Dolphin House,
882
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,840
throughout the '70s and '80s,
883
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,840
Lilly's desire to communicate with dolphins continued.
884
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,480
Some of his research was bizarrely mystical,
885
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,920
like this attempt to try to contact them telepathically.
886
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,680
HE PLAYS THE KEYBOARD
887
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,520
Lilly was based in California,
888
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,640
and other experiments attracted high-profile celebrity interest.
889
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,600
We have this wonderful opportunity to explore communicating with
890
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,360
this species that lives
891
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,720
on our planet
892
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,080
with brains larger than ours.
893
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,840
Jeff Bridges was introduced to Lilly by Hollywood friends.
894
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,360
He became fascinated by his work trying to teach dolphins
895
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,760
to communicate using electronic sounds.
896
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,560
He was interested in trying to
897
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,080
teach humans a way
898
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,360
that would be easier for the dolphins to communicate.
899
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,600
And not so much trying to get the dolphins to speak humaneeze,
900
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,800
but giving the dolphins a code
901
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,160
rather than trying to make the dolphins speak like humans.
902
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,840
But Lilly's approach was completely at odds with other scientific
903
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,040
research into animal communication.
904
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,920
The failure of the Dolphin House killed off
905
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,800
serious scientific interest in teaching animals a human language.
906
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,200
Instead, over the following decades,
907
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,000
scientists have focused on trying to understand
908
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,320
animal-to-animal communication,
909
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,560
as Gregory Bateson and the astronomers had championed.
910
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,280
50 years after the Dolphin House,
911
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,200
it's not Peter's command of English
912
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,480
which the experiment is remembered for,
913
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
but Margaret's sexual encounters with him.
914
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,280
When an account of what happened was finally published in the 1970s,
915
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,480
it fascinated a prurient public.
916
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
And someone came up and said, "Well, aren't you just...?"
917
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,440
I didn't know what they were talking about.
918
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,960
I, first of all, had never even heard of Hustler Magazine.
919
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,280
And I opened the Hustler...
920
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,880
SHE GASPS And I found this story
921
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,360
with my name and Peter,
922
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,520
and a drawing of the sexual activity.
923
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,240
"The worst experiment in the world," I've read, was me and Peter.
924
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,200
I was very upset.
925
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,400
I never hid it from anybody.
926
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,200
There were people around, John Lilly sometimes.
927
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Maybe somebody visiting with John Lilly.
928
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,720
Peter would be aroused and we would go through this.
929
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,640
But it always had to be respected.
930
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:25,200
Tarnished by the reputation of his work at the Dolphin House, Lilly
931
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,640
continued his use of mind-expanding drugs in the years which followed.
932
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,000
And he began championing many of the wilder ideas
933
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,640
from the counter-culture, becoming a new-age guru and cult figure.
934
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,440
With me is Dr John C Lilly.
935
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,480
What is true in the province of the mind?
936
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,840
In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true
937
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,840
either is true or becomes true within certain limits.
938
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,480
But as he got older, Lilly's appreciation of dolphin
939
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,640
intelligence got him thinking about the animals differently.
940
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,960
Up to that point, I think he was
941
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,160
very involved in what dolphins
942
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040
can do for me, John Lilly, the scientist.
943
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,720
And something happened along the way where he understood,
944
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,800
"They have just as much rights as we do
945
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,000
"and let's start thinking about what we can do for them."
946
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,960
John changed his thinking about the dolphins,
947
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,960
and he felt uncomfortable about keeping them confined -
948
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,480
and he ended up releasing his dolphins.
949
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,800
That's the first time that happened in America, or anywhere.
950
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,600
The first permit ever issued to release dolphins.
951
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,280
I had no right to confine them,
952
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,760
to imprison them,
953
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,280
to work on them.
954
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,880
My only right would be to work with them
955
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,840
in their natural habitat, in their natural state.
956
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,080
In the mid-1980s, Lilly began campaigning
957
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,720
relentlessly against holding dolphins captive.
958
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,480
This, together with the profile his work had given dolphins,
959
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,960
helped transform the way they were viewed by the public.
960
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,000
Congress passed the US Marine Mammal Protection Act.
961
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,480
And for organisations like Greenpeace,
962
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,400
they became an iconic symbol of the wider conservation movement.
963
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:34,000
That story of the rising campaign to afford new protections
964
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,800
to the world's marine mammals,
965
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,000
I would argue it's impossible to imagine that work without
966
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Lilly's legacy.
967
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,360
John Lilly died in hospital in 2001, after a short illness,
968
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,720
at the age of 86.
969
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Margaret Howe had stayed on in St Thomas' and married
970
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,240
the photographer who had taken the pictures of her with Peter.
971
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Remarkably, she and her husband continued living in the house
972
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,120
for another ten years,
973
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,760
converting it into a family home and bringing up three girls.
974
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,320
It was a good place,
975
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,480
there was good feeling in that building all the time.
976
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,120
But for Margaret, today the house has an even more powerful memory.
977
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,160
That relationship of having to be together,
978
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,640
that sort of turned into really enjoying being together,
979
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:33,320
and wanting to be together, and missing when you weren't there.
980
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,600
I'm a human, I'm in love with a human.
981
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,600
I married a human, I had babies.
982
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,960
I did have a very close encounter with...
983
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,440
I can't even say a dolphin again, ..with Peter, one dolphin.
984
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,080
I was very lucky.
985
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,920
PETER SQUEAKS
986
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,960
HE SQUEAKS
987
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,040
SHE GIGGLES
988
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,720
That's amazing!
989
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,680
For the first time in 50 years,
990
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,840
Margaret has been able to hear recordings of her with Peter.
991
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Trying so hard! God...
992
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,920
'One, two, three, four, five.
993
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,720
'Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
994
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,400
'Nice five, Peter.'
995
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,920
Nice five, Peter!
996
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,520
SHE LAUGHS AND CLAPS
997
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,640
PETER SQUEAKS
998
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,880
MARGARET: What is that all about, Peter?
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