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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,080 In the Caribbean, 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,440 on the shore of one 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,560 of the American Virgin Islands, 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,000 sits a strange, crumbling building. 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,680 It's a monument to perhaps the most remarkable period 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,640 in the history of animal science. 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,520 In the 1960s, a group of researchers came here to study dolphins. 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,680 Dolphins have been here 65 million years. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,120 We're just getting out of the trees. They know more than we do. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,400 Inspired by new discoveries about the animal mind, 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,240 the researchers believed they could, for the first time, 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,920 communicate with another species, by teaching dolphins to speak. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,040 Why not? 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,880 That's what I kept saying. 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,120 Let's do this. 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,120 - Hello. - Ah-oh. 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,840 Speak English only, Peter. 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Their work had extraordinary ambition. 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,560 Scientists believed if they could talk to dolphins, 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,080 they could even talk to extra-terrestrials. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,520 Are we alone in the universe? 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,440 Are there other creatures out there that we might get to know? 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,680 It wasn't science fiction. 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,760 It was... "Wow, this is where we're going." 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,360 But what started with '60s idealism 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,200 would spiral into the darkness of the decade, 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,760 and end in tragedy. 28 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:34,640 "The worst experiment in the world," 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,680 I've read somewhere, was me and Peter. 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,200 Until now, 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,560 those involved have never spoken publicly about the experiment. 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,240 But 50 years on, they've broken their silence 33 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,680 to reveal just what happened within these walls. 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:57,720 This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Communication is what defines us as humans. 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,840 We're a social species, which wants to talk to others, 37 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,640 and not just other people. 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,520 It's long been a human dream to be able to talk to the animals. 39 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,520 Do this, Vicky. 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,480 THEY BLOW AIR 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Early experiments in the 20th century involved 42 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,240 trying to teach the great apes sign language, 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,760 and even how to speak English. 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Another sound resembles the letter K. 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,360 Vicky. Sit up, girl. Come on. Do this. 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,680 THEY MAKE SOUNDS 47 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,800 Vicky has to hold her hand over her nose. 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,720 But by the end of the 1950s, there had been no real progress 49 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,080 and serious scientific attempts to talk to the animals 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,280 ground to a halt. 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,520 There was one person, however, who hadn't given up. 52 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,000 His name was John Lilly. 53 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,960 John Lilly was a scientist, a visionary 54 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,320 and, uh, maybe above all, an explorer. 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,520 Explorer of the brain, the mind. 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,880 Lilly's a fascinating character. 57 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 He was a super smart, 58 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,600 physics-oriented, Caltech grad, 59 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,000 who during the Second World War, 60 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,040 ends up working in an aviation physiology laboratory, 61 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,680 doing experimental work on American pilots, monitoring data 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,000 about heart rates and respiration. 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,240 And then subsequently, as his research life develops, 64 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,000 increasingly interested in animals. 65 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,960 By the late '50s, Lilly was a respected brain-scientist 66 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,400 working for the American National Institute Of Mental Health. 67 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,040 If one believes that they not only 68 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,120 have the brain to learn it, but the ears... 69 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,640 His area of expertise was what brains of animals 70 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,040 could tell us about our own. 71 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,320 His wife, Mary, worked with him. 72 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,600 He was always interested in brains. 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,640 And he would find out what areas of the brains did what, 74 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,320 that sort of thing. 75 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,400 But it's easier to work on other species than humans. 76 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,880 And there was one species whose brain fascinated Lilly 77 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,040 above all others... 78 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,720 ..an animal which human beings believed was one of the cleverest 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,440 and most ancient creatures on Earth - 80 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,720 the bottlenose dolphin, also often called the porpoise. 81 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,640 So, they've been here, you know, 25 million years. 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,280 We haven't been here that long. 83 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,760 We've only been here with our present brain size 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,080 about two tenths of a million years. 85 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,200 This is a big brain. 86 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,080 This is a bigger brain than we're accustomed to working on. 87 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,160 In fact, it's a bigger brain than a human brain! 88 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Lilly needed access to the dolphins' super-sized brains. 89 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,280 And he found it in Florida. 90 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,520 Leaping three feet out of the water 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,880 and through a hoop is only one of the accomplishments of Flippy, 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,600 the pride of the studios at Marine Land Florida. 93 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,720 Flippy gets a big kick out of demonstrating his high IQ. 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Marine Studios in Florida 95 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,520 is one of the first institutions in the post-war period to keep 96 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,400 a bottlenose dolphin in captivity. 97 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Lilly makes his way down there in order to have access to 98 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,520 some of these animals for experimental purposes. 99 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,480 Lilly began doing brain experiments on the dolphins 100 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,360 and recording their reactions. 101 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,240 One day, in 1957, this research triggered a behaviour that 102 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,560 would change the course of his life. 103 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,960 The first to spot it was Mary. 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Whilst John and his team were working nearby, 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,840 she noticed something they'd missed. 106 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:13,600 I came in. 107 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,440 I heard John talking and the porpoise would go 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,160 "Awawawawawa," like John. 109 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Chee-chee. Chee-chee. More, more. Fish. 110 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,360 And then I realised it was hearing their voices and imitating them. 111 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,120 And I went down to where they were operating 112 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,400 and told them that this was going on, and they were quite startled. 113 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,880 More, more fish. 114 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,240 DOLPHIN SQUEAKS 115 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,000 Lilly was convinced the dolphin was imitating the humans, 116 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,280 trying to speak to them. 117 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,400 If he was right, it would be one 118 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,640 of the greatest discoveries in the history of science. 119 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,640 For the rest of his career, Lilly would write about and talk about 120 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,280 that moment in 1957, where it all popped open for him. 121 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:09,280 He thinks that this indicates ambition on their part 122 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:13,200 to communicate with the beings around them that are human. 123 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,080 A breakthrough of not just scientific, but potentially 124 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,120 even world historic significance - 125 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,400 humans were being displaced from their position 126 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,400 atop the cosmos of intelligent creatures. 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,680 We were not alone. 128 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,400 DOLPHIN SQUEAKS 129 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,040 "And now... here's Jack." 130 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Lilly believed his mimicking dolphins would revolutionise 131 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,640 the science of animal communication. 132 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,080 For the first time, here was another species which seemed to be 133 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,880 trying to make contact with us. 134 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,920 And in 1961, he published a book revealing his findings. 135 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,600 John, what was the prediction in your book that caused such comment? 136 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,040 I predicted that, within a decade or two, 137 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,520 the human species would establish communication 138 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,400 with another species. 139 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,920 This is a scientist. 140 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,400 This isn't some, you know, nut that I've brought out here! 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,320 - This man knows... He may be a little nutty, I don't know. - Thank you(!) 142 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,160 But he's a real, acknowledged scientist. 143 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Now, roll this film and you're going to see some interesting things. 144 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,040 These are some of the sounds they make. 145 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,560 What in the main do you think dolphins talk among each other? 146 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,400 Oh. Food, sex and danger. 147 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,680 Sounds like Westport, Connecticut, to me, there. 148 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,040 That's it, forward. Come on. 149 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Come on. 150 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,320 That's it. 151 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Lilly's talking dolphins captured the public's imagination. 152 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,080 But for one group of people, his work had special significance. 153 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,960 'OK, it is in.' 154 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,320 'Ignition.' 155 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,560 'Blast off!' 156 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,760 In the early '60s, America was in the midst of a space-race... 157 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:13,520 ..launching satellites and spacecraft to the Moon and planets. 158 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,280 'That's as far as we go for EDA. 159 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,200 'OK, they're free from EDA from here. Ready for decompression.' 160 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,280 And surprisingly, Lilly's ideas chimed with this new space age. 161 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,360 They'd caught the eye of a team of American astronomers 162 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,640 who were searching for extra-terrestrial life. 163 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,440 They were led by Frank Drake. 164 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,040 It was a very exciting book 165 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,960 because it had these new ideas - 166 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,760 particularly the idea that there could be creatures 167 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,560 as intelligent and sophisticated 168 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:45,280 in their thinking as us, 169 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,040 and yet living in a far different milieu. 170 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Drake and his team were part of an official, government-funded 171 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,160 project to use radio telescopes to listen for signals from other 172 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,720 intelligent life in the galaxy. 173 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,640 For them, Lilly's work was potentially groundbreaking. 174 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,400 The possible intelligence of dolphins was of special interest to me 175 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,600 and the others who were interested in extraterrestrial intelligent life 176 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,240 because we wanted to understand as much as we could about 177 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,960 what the challenges were going to be in communicating 178 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,040 with other intelligent species. 179 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,240 There might be other civilisations in space attempting to send us 180 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,280 messages. 181 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,960 The detection of extraterrestrial signals 182 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,360 are going to be one of the most exciting things 183 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,200 that ever happened. 184 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,440 Here was perhaps an example of another intelligent species, 185 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,000 very different from us - 186 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,920 its vocal system was very different, its means of communicating 187 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,440 any information was different. 188 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,680 It would tell us what was important, 189 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:53,960 what we should specialise in, 190 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,600 what we should learn as much as we can about 191 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,320 if we were to understand extraterrestrial intelligent life. 192 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,800 'Four, three, two... 193 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,440 'All engines ready.' 194 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,880 Lilly realised the astronomers' interest opened up an opportunity. 195 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,760 America's space programme was extremely well-funded through NASA. 196 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,720 Here was his chance to get funding for a whole new phase of research. 197 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,960 Lilly brilliantly pitches the space administration 198 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,240 on the idea that they need 199 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,600 a model organism 200 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,760 upon which to experiment 201 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,880 for the prospect of an encounter with aliens. 202 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,800 NASA backed Lilly with many thousands of dollars. 203 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,480 And with financial support from other government agencies 204 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,000 like the US Navy, 205 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,680 he commissioned the lab of his dreams. 206 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:53,840 At St Thomas in the Virgin Islands, stands a unique laboratory... 207 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,800 In 1961, Lilly built a white, modern villa right on the shore 208 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,320 of St Thomas', one of the American Virgin Islands in the Caribbean. 209 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,080 This was the Dolphin House. 210 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,480 Here, a thousand miles from the American mainland, 211 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,280 he would now focus on research into human communication with dolphins. 212 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Lilly had discovered that dolphins become quickly responsive 213 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,080 to human companions. 214 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,920 In daily playtime, they develop intense friendships, 215 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,600 often prefer people to other dolphins... 216 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,840 But Lilly would need a team to help him carry out the work. 217 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,240 Lilly was charismatic, 218 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,680 and he attracted some brilliant and hardworking people. 219 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:37,440 He recruits a very significant figure - Gregory Bateson, 220 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,080 an anthropologist - who rounds out his team for thinking 221 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,040 big about these animals. 222 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Gregory Bateson was an intellectual giant of his time. 223 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,160 He had explored subjects like linguistics 224 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,160 and human anthropology at Cambridge and Sydney Universities. 225 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Now he was looking for an opportunity to study 226 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,920 animal behaviour. 227 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,160 I worked as an anthropologist. 228 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,400 I looked around and I was clear 229 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,040 I didn't want to live in a lab. 230 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,040 Gregory had been doing 231 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,440 behavioural work - not only with humans but with 232 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:19,400 otters. And we had in our house 17 octopuses. 233 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,040 And we were studying their personal relationships. 234 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,560 Which was interesting. 235 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,960 Bateson's area of interest wasn't humans communicating with 236 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,640 animals, but rather how animals communicated with each other. 237 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,360 But in 1963, he was persuaded by Lilly to move his family out 238 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,440 to St Thomas' - including his 11-year-old stepson. 239 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,560 My Dad was much more interested in 240 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:47,680 the interaction between the dolphins. 241 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,360 Looking at the posture of pectoral fins - I mean, 242 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,000 does this mean something? Or the...uh, the alignment 243 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,680 of two animals swimming together, 244 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,320 is this sexual or is this just friendship 245 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,600 or is this just waiting to be fed? 246 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,640 The house was built over a single outdoor pool 247 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,600 where the dolphins would live. 248 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Linked to the sea, it was cleaned by the tide. 249 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,280 Lilly's new lab offered the best conditions 250 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,000 possible for the animals in captivity. 251 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,040 And a window would allow Bateson to observe the creatures underwater. 252 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,800 I actually thought it was fantastic. 253 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,960 I mean, the water was absolutely crystal. That was neat. 254 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,320 I mean, it was just... It was all new. It was exotic. 255 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,960 That's the best word I can say for it. 256 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,680 The island's vet was also enlisted to ensure 257 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 the wellbeing of Lilly's dolphins. 258 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Dr Lilly called me. 259 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,760 And he put me through an interview. 260 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,400 His concern was the health of his animals. 261 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,680 He wanted to be sure that I could relate 262 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,440 to the dolphins by putting me in the water with them. 263 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,480 And then, early in 1964, the lab had a visitor. 264 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,760 Margaret Howe was an attractive, 22-year-old college dropout 265 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,560 who had come to St Thomas' in search of adventure. 266 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,280 She'd heard rumours about a strange house at the end of the island 267 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,200 which had dolphins. 268 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,520 I was curious and I drove out and found signs saying, "Keep Out." 269 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,120 It was pretty isolated. 270 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,520 And I said, "Well, I heard you had dolphins here and I thought I'd come 271 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,440 "and see if there's anything I can do or if there's any way I could help." 272 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Gregory Bateson sat me at the top of this spiral staircase, 273 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,760 where you could just look down and he said, "Just sit here 274 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,680 "and write what you think is happening, what you see." 275 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,000 You begin to think... 276 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,480 There's things going on other than just the prettiness of it all. 277 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120 One of them is in front. One is in the back. 278 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,080 One is above. One is below. 279 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,640 One jumped. The other one went ahead. 280 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,200 And after an hour, I figured that out and started writing that. 281 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Gregory Bateson said, "I like the way you wrote that. 282 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,080 "You think well on your feet." 283 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,320 He said, "You're able to see things. 284 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,920 "You can come here any time you want. 285 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,920 "We can't pay you, but you can come here. 286 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,840 "Would you like to do that?" 287 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,280 "Yes," I said. 288 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,800 "Yes, thank you! I will come back here any time." 289 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:32,920 So I did. 290 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Margaret Howe rounded off Lilly's human team. 291 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,120 But it was the dolphins that everyone was there to study. 292 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,640 Lilly brought them from Marine Studios in Miami. 293 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,800 Before coming to the Virgin Islands, they'd also been used in filming 294 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,840 the movie Flipper. 295 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,320 There were three animals at the VI lab. 296 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,040 Peter, Pamela and Sissy. 297 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,960 Sissy was the biggest one. 298 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,720 She was pushy, loud. 299 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,360 Sort of ran the show. 300 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,160 So I had... Most of my relationship was with Sissy. 301 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,400 Very social. 302 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,680 Pam, she wouldn't come near anybody. 303 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,640 It took a full year before I was able to get close enough to her 304 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,880 to stroke her. 305 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,240 You are drawn to an animal who is shy and a little fearful. 306 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,320 It makes you feel good when they will come 307 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,120 and you can help them over that. 308 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:37,600 And that was Pamela. 309 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,840 And then there was one male dolphin. 310 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Peter was an immature male. I don't think he was fully mature. 311 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,840 He was different. 312 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,200 He was definitely a young guy. 313 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 Sexually coming of age, I'm sure, and 314 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,120 liked Sissy. And Sissy was always having to... Bip! 315 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,160 She'd... Bip! Flip him off like that. 316 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,400 And that's who they were. 317 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,520 By February, 1964, the lab was in full operation. 318 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,120 Lilly was often away travelling, publicising his work or 319 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:22,640 raising funds, so left much of the research to the others. 320 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,760 He charged Margaret with picking up the mimicry work 321 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,040 where he'd left off. 322 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,440 It was her job to encourage the dolphins to copy the specific 323 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,400 sounds of human speech. 324 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,080 They can click and squeak and whistle 325 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,280 and do all the dolphin noises, and there are many. 326 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,120 But this human-like sound, humanoid they call it, not underwater, 327 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:47,160 in the air, and through the blowhole. 328 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,560 The blow hole, where they force air out of the lungs, 329 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,600 and the lips on the blow hole, actually open and closing, 330 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,120 and they can talk that way, if you want to call it talking. 331 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:04,280 Margaret began to focus on one of the dolphins in particular - 332 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,600 the male. 333 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,800 I really chose to work with Peter 334 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:13,160 because he'd not had any human-like sound training. 335 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,760 The other two had. 336 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,360 My first goal was to get him to listen while I speak. 337 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:23,000 And then I would listen while he speaks and we would set up this 338 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,160 conversation-type thing where we could make some sort of progress. 339 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,600 Today is January 27th. The time is 09.00 hours. 340 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,480 PETER CLICKS 341 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,760 Much of the work in the Dolphin House was captured on tape, 342 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,640 and these are the real sound recordings of Margaret's lessons. 343 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,240 A, E, I, O. 344 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,120 PETER SQUEAKS 345 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,280 But from the start, Peter was a reluctant pupil. 346 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,400 Speak for fish. 347 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:15,200 Don't squirt. 348 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,640 He would listen to me. 349 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,320 And I would say, "No, no, no, no, Peter. 350 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,560 "What I want you to do is count to three. 351 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,840 "You're going to say one, two, three," 352 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,600 and Peter wouldn't repeat everything I told him, 353 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,760 he would work on the "eh, oh, eeyr..." 354 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,760 HE SQUEAKS 355 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,200 Listen. One, two, three. 356 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,840 HE WARBLES 357 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,560 You can do better, Peter. 358 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Yeah, we had a few disagreements on things. 359 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,280 He could slap his tail. 360 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,560 You know when a dolphin is annoyed. 361 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,080 "One, two, three, I've already done that. I..." 362 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,680 "One, two, three, I told you I've... 363 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,760 "I'm going to do it one more time. One, two, three, and now that's it." 364 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,080 And he'd disappear. 365 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,080 HE SQUEAKS LOUDLY 366 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,440 The mimicry work seemed to have stalled. 367 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,840 But then Margaret had an idea. 368 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,160 It was very ambitious. 369 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,160 Every night we would all get in our cars and pull the garage door down 370 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,480 and click it and everybody would drive away. 371 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,320 And I thought, "Well, there's this big brain, 372 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,920 "three big brains floating around all night. 373 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,040 "What's really going on?" 374 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,160 And it amazed me that everyone kept leaving. 375 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,320 And I said, "That's craziness." 376 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,160 I said, "I will stay and I will do this." 377 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,120 And Lilly said, "What's that?" 378 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:52,800 I said, "I want to plaster everything 379 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,040 "and fill this place with water. 380 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,280 "I want to live here with Peter." 381 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,040 And Lilly got very excited. 382 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,520 And he went for it. 383 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Margaret drew up radical plans for the house. 384 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,400 She began completely redesigning the layout of the upstairs rooms, 385 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,920 altering their shape 386 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,800 and making them waterproof. 387 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,120 The building had not been built to flood. 388 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,840 And we're gonna flood the place comfortably - knee deep, 389 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,120 a little bit deeper. 390 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,320 I didn't want to just be indoors for so long, so the balcony as well. 391 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,160 We flooded it and it kept leaking, so we had to drain it all 392 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,440 and plaster it up again. It took a while. 393 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,040 They had a giant elevator. 394 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,320 You'd get the animal on the elevator with a sling under it. 395 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,280 That's how the animal got up and down. 396 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,920 Margaret had created a domestic dolphinarium, 397 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,960 where she and Peter could live together 398 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,240 in a semi-aquatic environment. 399 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,440 I had a desk hanging from the ceiling, a telephone, 400 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,880 and a little stove I could make tea. 401 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:30,360 I was on a foam cushion and Peter would sleep next to me, 402 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,560 and he would sleep as long as I did. 403 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,880 And I lived there day and night. 404 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,040 And it was perfect. 405 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,120 And so, Margaret's extraordinary experiment began. 406 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,840 Over the coming months, she would live with Peter 407 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,240 in the Dolphin House almost full-time. 408 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,720 Margaret would immerse him completely in her world 409 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,080 to try to teach him English, like a mother teaching a child to speak. 410 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,960 One, two, three, four. 411 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,280 These are the audio recordings she made. 412 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Today is... 413 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,040 HE SQUEAKS August 18th. 414 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120 This is the morning lesson with Peter. 415 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,520 Hello. 416 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,680 HE WARBLES 417 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,920 No. Hello. 418 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,200 HE WARBLES 419 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,520 Clearly, Peter. 420 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,440 HE WARBLES PARTLY UNDERWATER 421 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760 What's all the bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh? Come on! 422 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,520 I didn't talk to Peter the way I talk to you. 423 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,080 I... 424 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,840 I spoke in single words usually 425 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,280 and made inflection, something that he could follow. 426 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,880 That they were very good at. 427 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,400 The enunciation was not good. 428 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,560 But if I said, "One, two, THREE." 429 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,840 I...I wouldn't get one, two, three, 430 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,200 but I would get, "Wah, urwah, REHR." 431 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520 One, two, THREE. 432 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,240 Ehr, ehr, ehr. 433 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,440 Good boy. 434 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,400 Hard as Peter tried, 435 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040 there were still some anatomical restrictions 436 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,080 that limited his speech. 437 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,240 "M" is very difficult. 438 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,760 My name, you know, "Hello, Margaret," I worked on. 439 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,160 And M is just impossible, 440 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,520 but he eventually rolled over so that it kind of... "Bwah..." 441 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,760 He would bubble it into the water. 442 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,160 Mmmm... 443 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,000 Margaret. 444 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,080 Ahee-aaheeee. 445 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,880 Oh, he just couldn't get it right! 446 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,480 And he just would try and he would try. God! 447 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,600 To help with Peter's pronunciation, 448 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,920 Margaret wanted to draw his attention to the movement 449 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,760 of her mouth and lips. 450 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,760 His blowhole and my mouth 451 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,240 sort of were trying to do the same thing, 452 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,960 I actually put a white make-up - 453 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,720 thick white and black around my mouth - 454 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,960 so that when I was talking to him 455 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,000 or teaching a word, 456 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,960 he could really see my blowhole, as it were, 457 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,400 and I would... 458 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520 really use my mouth, with this make-up on it, 459 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,840 and his eye was in air looking at my mouth, 460 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,040 I mean, no question about it. He wanted to know, 461 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,600 "Where is that noise coming from? What is that sound?" 462 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,680 Fish in buck-et. 463 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,080 HE SQUEAKS 464 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,560 During his visits back to the Dolphin House, 465 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,160 Lilly was delighted by Margaret's progress. 466 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,360 I feel armed with a kind of knowledge... 467 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,040 ..that we could never have obtained... 468 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,720 ..except through these experiments. 469 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,120 This must be supported 470 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,640 and enthusiastically encouraged. 471 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520 He was very enthusiastic about it. We were very together. 472 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,320 I felt very supported and encouraged to do more. 473 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,280 But not everyone was as enthusiastic about Margaret's experiments. 474 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,160 Whilst the Batesons were happy to swim with the dolphins, 475 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,360 they weren't keen to teach them English. 476 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,440 Lois' husband, Gregory, doubted its scientific merit. 477 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,800 He felt his research on dolphin-to-dolphin communication 478 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,680 in the sea pool downstairs was of more value 479 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560 than Margaret's work with Peter. 480 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,080 We liked Margaret. 481 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,200 She was certainly trying to see 482 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,560 if they could be trained to speak English 483 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,520 SHE CHUCKLES 484 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,840 Which was an ambitious plan. 485 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,160 It was interesting, but, you know, it wasn't... 486 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,080 It wasn't our cup of tea. 487 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:53,400 Despite the Bateson's doubts, Margaret persevered. 488 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,040 She began using Peter's curiosity and playfulness to keep him 489 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,960 interested in the lessons. 490 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,240 Whatever I brought to him, 491 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,000 whether it was me or an object 492 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840 or just my time or my voice, 493 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,120 he was interested in that. 494 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,560 Uh, and that's very appealing. 495 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:17,800 Whether it was a ball or a toy or a square shape or whatever 496 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,760 I was interested in, he would have to turn to that. 497 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,040 And he did. 498 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,160 He loved to look at different shapes and... 499 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,800 and different sets of things and little toys. 500 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,880 Let's go through all our toys, Peter. 501 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,760 - Ball. - Baaah-ba. 502 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Good. 503 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,560 Oblong. 504 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,520 - Ah-aaaaah. - Good! 505 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,040 Triangle. 506 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,080 Ah-ah-ah. 507 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Oh, nice, Peter! Beautiful! 508 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,320 We just hit it off. We had that connection. 509 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,280 We were a team and it...it just worked. 510 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960 SATELLITE SOUNDS 511 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,720 Margaret's progress with Peter also intrigued the astronomers. 512 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,040 They wanted to know whether the experiment to talk to another 513 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,200 species was producing results. 514 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,040 In the summer of 1965, they dispatched the famous 515 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,800 astronomer, Carl Sagan. 516 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,160 It's possible, 517 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840 but by no means certain that life on many of these planets 518 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,280 evolves into beings 519 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,800 which are as advanced as we, or more advanced. 520 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,400 Carl, I think, was into anything that had anything to do with 521 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,600 trying to speak to anything alien. 522 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,720 Dolphins, they're another species, in a different environment 523 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,040 and in that regard, I think, the space people were interested. 524 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,800 - Hello. - Ah-oh. 525 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,680 Oh! I like it, I like it, I like it, Peter! 526 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,760 Good boy. 527 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,120 It was clear to Sagan 528 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160 and the astronomers that despite Margaret's progress, 529 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,920 Peter was a long way from being able to understand and use English. 530 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880 So instead of teaching the dolphins a human language, 531 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,040 like the Batesons, they suggested Lilly try to find out 532 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520 how dolphins communicate with each other. 533 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,760 A prime experiment we suggested to him 534 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,200 was to reveal just how complicated a message 535 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080 one dolphin could communicate with another dolphin. 536 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240 And so we would suggest to have two dolphins, 537 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,880 one in each tank of water, separately, 538 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,560 not able to see each other, 539 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,080 but to be able to hear any phonations - one to the other - 540 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,480 and that he should teach one dolphin 541 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,480 some procedure by which it could 542 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240 obtain food 543 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360 and then see if it could tell the other dolphin 544 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,520 how to do the same thing in its tank. 545 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,120 This was a prime experiment to be done, 546 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,000 but he was never able to do it. 547 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,760 Ball. 548 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,560 Instead, Lilly instructed Margaret to continue her lessons with Peter. 549 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720 Ball. 550 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Ball. 551 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Ball. 552 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120 - Eh-ho. - No. 553 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Ball. 554 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,800 - Ahll. - That's it! Yes! 555 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,320 Now you're getting there. 556 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,800 His vocalisation got better. 557 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,080 It was never clear, uh, 558 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320 but it had control and it had tone 559 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,080 and it had space between the words. 560 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 The effort was there and that's what impressed me. 561 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,880 Ahll. 562 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,160 SHE CLAPS You're a good boy, yes, you are! 563 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160 Thank you, Peter. 564 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160 Margaret's lessons with Peter upstairs in the flooded house 565 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080 ran for six days a week. 566 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,360 But on their day off, 567 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,520 they would join the others downstairs in the sea pool for fun. 568 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,400 One day, Andy Williamson brought his dog, Suki, to the house, 569 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,720 an encounter they captured on film. 570 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800 Suki came into The Dolphin House, 571 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,480 the door was open into the pool. 572 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,920 And she saw me in the water. 573 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,600 And next thing I knew, 574 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,880 she took a little flying leap right into the pool. 575 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400 And Andy and I are just shocked! And we thought, "Oh, my God!" 576 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,920 Peter passed her a couple of times and rubbed against her. 577 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,120 And Suki went crazy. 578 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,640 She was quivering. Her little ears were going like this, 579 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960 she was just... And Andy was holding her. 580 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,800 Peter came up and stuck his beak right up, 581 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,440 made a couple of squeaks or clicking sounds. 582 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,120 And Suki went off Andy's shoulder. 583 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,480 Dachshunds, the way they are built with short little legs, 584 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680 I mean, she kind of sank a bit. 585 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,200 Started paddling around. 586 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,160 The dog was having fun and the dolphins were having fun, 587 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,960 they were all having a party. 588 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,560 Life went on at the Dolphin House. 589 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,520 But back on the mainland, Lilly's interests were shifting. 590 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280 MUSIC: "Eight Miles High" by The Byrds 591 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520 It was the mid-1960s 592 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,680 and a new mind-altering drug had been invented - LSD. 593 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,880 # Eight miles high 594 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,760 # And when you touch down 595 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,880 # You'll find that it's stranger 596 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,400 # Than known 597 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,960 # Signs in... # 598 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,240 Brain scientist Lilly became obsessed by how humans 599 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,840 reacted to it. 600 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520 And he began experimenting on himself, 601 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,640 convinced that it offered exciting new opportunities 602 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,280 to explore the mind. 603 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,240 There was one time where he said, 604 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,320 "All right, I'm going to go up and inject the LSD." 605 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600 And I said, "Whoa! 606 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,240 "I will have nothing to do with that. 607 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:20,280 "And I will stay out of that, and you stay out of my business," 608 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,080 which was dolphins. 609 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,720 I could see the difference in John Lilly. 610 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:28,240 He went from being, you know, a guy with a tie and a white coat 611 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:31,480 and a scientist in his laboratory to 612 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,040 a full blown hippie after a while. 613 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,520 He was a real explorer of those drugs that 614 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,120 expand our consciousness, you know. 615 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,600 I don't know there were too many 616 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,240 people with his...his expertise 617 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:48,880 and his scientific background that was doing that kind of work. 618 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,360 John's self-experimentation with LSD was becoming a concern for Margaret. 619 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,760 But something else was affecting her work with Peter. 620 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,360 They have sexual urges. 621 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,600 I'm sure Peter had plenty of thoughts along those lines. 622 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,840 Peter liked to be...with me. 623 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,560 He would rub himself on my knee or my foot or my hand or... 624 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960 whatever, and I allowed that. I wasn't uncomfortable with that, 625 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960 as long as it wasn't too rough. 626 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,240 Peter had caused Margaret some 627 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,840 minor injuries on her legs and stuff 628 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,080 of pushing like an obsessed suitor. 629 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,240 In the beginning, when he would get rambunctious and had this need, 630 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,640 I would put him on the elevator and say, 631 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,760 "You go play with the girls for a day." 632 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,080 HE SQUEAKS 633 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080 But as Peter's urges grew more frequent, 634 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,480 the process of transporting him down to the two female dolphins 635 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,840 to satisfy him proved disruptive. 636 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,240 And Margaret felt the best way of focusing his mind 637 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,040 back on the lessons, was to relieve his desires herself manually. 638 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,840 It was just easier to incorporate that and let it happen. 639 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,000 It was very, uh, precious. 640 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,480 It was very gentle. 641 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960 Peter was right there. 642 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,760 He knew that I was right there. 643 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,040 Again, it was sexual on his part, it was not sexual on mine. 644 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,800 Sensuous perhaps. 645 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,640 It had just become part of what was going on. 646 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,760 Like an itch, you just get rid of that. 647 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920 "We'll scratch it and we'll be done, move on." 648 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,560 And that's really all it was. 649 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,360 I was there to get to know Peter, that was part of Peter. 650 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,480 It was great that she wasn't going to be damaged by that, 651 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,400 but, as a veterinarian, 652 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600 I wondered about poor Peter. 653 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,600 This dolphin was madly in love with her. 654 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,400 Margaret. 655 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200 Ahee-aaheeee. 656 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,480 Margaret and Peter's relationship was continuing to deepen. 657 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,080 But with his ringside seat at the Dolphin House, 658 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120 anthropologist Gregory Bateson was now seriously questioning 659 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,560 the value of Lilly's work. 660 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,720 My dad had, I think, 661 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,000 a pretty firm and clear view that this was a kind of circus trick. 662 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,800 For Bateson, Peter was simply copying Margaret's sounds 663 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,400 with no real comprehension of what he was saying. 664 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440 I can't see why anybody in their right mind would think... 665 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,440 ..they were going to be able to teach or learn to speak 666 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,360 in some common language. 667 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320 You're not demonstrating anything about an animal's capacity 668 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,320 for language by getting them to master some part of your language. 669 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,920 You want to find out whether they have language, 670 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,600 you want to find out what they have for their language. 671 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,000 Come right out with the English, Peter. 672 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040 Don't even think in your own language. 673 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,160 English all the time. 674 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,480 - Margaret. - Ah-ah. 675 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,400 Better. Thank you, Peter. 676 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640 Like Gregory Bateson, Lilly's funders were also having 677 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120 doubts about the value of the work. 678 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,800 And from 1965, in the absence of more impressive results, 679 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,200 they were starting to pull out. 680 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,920 Any of the work with dolphins was very difficult - 681 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,360 time consuming, expensive - 682 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,080 and at that time, John was not adequately financed 683 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,360 to really conduct the experiments that needed to be done. 684 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,880 As funding for the Dolphin House looked increasingly shaky, 685 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,800 Lilly was becoming desperate for results to impress his backers. 686 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,440 He turned to the one experiment he had so far resisted. 687 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,440 Why wouldn't you go ahead and use this very powerful drug 688 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520 that has been used to facilitate psychotherapy, 689 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,680 namely LSD? 690 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,840 Take a little bit yourself so you're a little more open 691 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,600 to the alien world of the other and... 692 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,360 and heck while you're at it, 693 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,960 give a little bit to the dolphin so that they're a little bit more 694 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,520 kind of open to the communicative world of the other themselves. 695 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,760 Lilly hoped that giving the dolphins LSD would have a dramatic effect. 696 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,440 In a note to Gregory Bateson, he even wondered 697 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,440 if it might cause the animals to stop breathing. 698 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,600 LSD's a pretty powerful, psychedelic drug, 699 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,240 and I had no idea how the dolphins would react to that. 700 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,920 I mean, humans didn't always react to it very well, so, you know... 701 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,400 Despite these uncertainties about the consequences, 702 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,960 Lilly became obsessed with giving LSD to the dolphins. 703 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120 My first thought was, "Not Peter." 704 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,840 I just said, "Not Peter." 705 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,560 What was I? 24 or something. 706 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,000 And it was his stuff, it was his animals, it was his pool. 707 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,880 I can't stop him. 708 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,600 Lilly coerced Margaret into being an assistant to his LSD experiment 709 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,640 on the dolphins. 710 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:29,240 And he pulled back and he said, "OK, not Peter." 711 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,120 We pulled Peter out of the sea pool where they were. 712 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,320 So Pam and Sissy were in the sea pool. 713 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,920 And John did inject them with LSD. 714 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,600 - LILLY: - 10:06pm. 715 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,400 Different species react in different ways. 716 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,000 Playing with pharmaceuticals is tricky business to say the least. 717 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,800 We didn't know what was going to happen. 718 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,480 And we certainly weren't prepared for anything to happen. 719 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480 The dolphins were circling, 720 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,920 and John occasionally glanced 721 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,040 and said, "Oh, well, it's only been ten minutes." 722 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,320 And nothing was going on and it's been, well, 20 minutes now. 723 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,680 Nothing was going on, nothing, nothing, nothing happened, period. 724 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,720 Lilly was desperate to provoke a response. 725 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,680 He came up with a bizarre and cruel idea, 726 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,000 which shows how far he'd now come from genuine scientific research. 727 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,720 Dolphins have extraordinarily sensitive hearing, 728 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,440 using sound waves to sense their environment. 729 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,360 Could he use that to trigger a reaction? 730 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,680 And then John disappeared, and he went to the other side 731 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240 and he picked up a jackhammer. 732 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,280 Jackhammer makes a big "thunk" going through the earth 733 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,200 and the cement and the rock and... 734 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,160 And he just started jackhammering, 735 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,360 which had everything sort of shaking. 736 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,400 And still nothing happened. 737 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,360 So that was sort of the end of it. 738 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,120 It just confirmed for me that John Lilly and I, 739 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,080 we were...we're very different. 740 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,920 For Gregory Bateson, 741 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840 Lilly's use of LSD on the dolphins was the last straw. 742 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,560 He packed up the family and left. 743 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,240 St Thomas was really an impossible place to work. 744 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,520 And I actually don't think he felt like he made much progress 745 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,960 that year in St Thomas. 746 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,200 We had learned as much as we could from that particular setting 747 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920 in St Thomas 748 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,160 and we just felt it was time to go. 749 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680 With the Batesons gone and funding turned off, 750 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,560 by the summer of 1966, Lilly was running up large debts. 751 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,880 And in his LSD-fuelled world, 752 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,320 his attention was drifting away. 753 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000 He lost focus on it, 754 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:34,760 and the drug culture and the LSD took his interest away. 755 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,640 It did fall apart at the end. 756 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,360 Badly. 757 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,400 The Dolphin House would have to close. 758 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,800 But decommissioning it would not be easy. 759 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,360 When you're dealing with live subjects, 760 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,160 whether they're rats or monkeys or dolphins, 761 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,040 what do you do with them after... 762 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,000 ..after the experiments are over? 763 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,200 There was nothing we could do about it. 764 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,880 Lilly decided the dolphins would be transported to the US mainland, 765 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,080 to live in another private lab he ran outside Miami. 766 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,200 It would be the end of Margaret and Peter's relationship. 767 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,280 He wasn't mine. I couldn't keep him. 768 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,120 We couldn't elope, you know. 769 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,360 We couldn't rush off into the sea and disappear and hide. 770 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,200 You just can't do that. 771 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,280 It's a very expensive business, having a dolphin. 772 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160 If he'd been a cat or a dog, I could have made a deal and kept him, 773 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,800 but, uh... How do you do that? 774 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,040 After months of living almost continuously with Peter, 775 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,720 the experiment was over. 776 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600 It was time for Margaret to say goodbye. 777 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,800 I went back to the lab and spent the evening 778 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,840 and the night with Peter. 779 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,680 Being in the water with him, and just that sweetness. 780 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,920 It was very special and privileged. 781 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,360 Somebody who really wants you to be there 782 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640 and sometimes is just comforted by the fact that you are there. 783 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,840 That was misty-eyed, because at that point, I knew... 784 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520 ..and Peter didn't know, 785 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,880 but I knew that that was the end. 786 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,440 In October 1966, the dolphins were loaded into travelling tanks 787 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,960 to be flown to Lilly's lab on the mainland. 788 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,520 Seeing that plane take off and circle - I didn't go with them - 789 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,360 that was emotional. 790 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,400 Margaret and Andy believed the animals had gone to a good home. 791 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,360 I was told that they were shipped some place where 792 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,800 they would be very happy. 793 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,000 I was told he arrived healthy, that they had him checked by a vet. 794 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,120 In reality, 795 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,560 this is the building outside Miami where the dolphins were moved to. 796 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,280 THEY SQUEAL 797 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,560 With little or no natural light and tiny, cramped tanks, 798 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,440 this nightmarish room was a very different environment 799 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,720 to the Dolphin House. 800 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,520 Lilly's friend Ric O'Barry remembers once visiting the labs. 801 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,160 It was awful, to be frank. It was awful. 802 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,280 The first thing that hit you... Bff! ..was that smell. 803 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,360 Dolphins urinate and defecate 804 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160 three to five times the quantity people will, 805 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,880 so you can imagine the stench of having dolphins 806 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120 inside of that small room, 807 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,440 in a plastic, portable swimming pool. 808 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,600 And the chlorine... Copper sulphate, chlorine, heavily chlorinated... 809 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,080 Yeah, it was awful. It was awful. 810 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880 THEY SQUEAL 811 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,400 Back at the Dolphin House, Margaret was oblivious 812 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480 to the conditions the dolphins were now being kept in. 813 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,280 Weeks passed, and then Margaret received a phone call about Peter. 814 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,760 I got that phone call. 815 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,680 From John Lilly. 816 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,280 John called me himself to...to tell me. 817 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,320 And he said he committed suicide. 818 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,800 Suicide. 819 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,320 And I use that word with some trepidation, 820 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,680 at the risk of sounding anthropomorphic, but 821 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,160 it does describe what is indeed self-induced asphyxiation. 822 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,400 They're not automatic air breathers like we are. 823 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,920 Every breath is a conscious effort. 824 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,080 If life becomes too unbearable, 825 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,400 the dolphins just take a breath... 826 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,160 And they sink to the bottom. They don't take that next breath. 827 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,480 The shock of being moved from the Dolphin House had been too much. 828 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,800 Peter, it seems, had died of a broken heart. 829 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,720 You could think that Margaret could rationalise it, 830 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,160 but when she left, could Peter? 831 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,040 Here's the love of his life, gone. 832 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,680 50 years of ocean and storms have taken their toll 833 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,040 on the Dolphin House. 834 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,640 RECORDING OF MARGARET: I must eat my fish. 835 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,280 Today, this derelict shell is all that remains of the building which 836 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,440 housed the strangest experiment in the history of animal science. 837 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,320 The ruins of the Dolphin House... 838 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520 It's easy to see, in that brokenness, 839 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,800 the...pathetic brokenness 840 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,880 of Lilly's own extraordinary ambition. 841 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,360 Boy. 842 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,720 PETER CLICKS AND SQUEAKS 843 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,360 Lovely! 844 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,800 People who study language aren't really persuaded 845 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,400 that his claims about dolphin talking 846 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,680 are really informed by the best work 847 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,600 in the study of language itself. 848 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,800 Instead, today's leading animal language experts believe what 849 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,400 happened at the Dolphin House was in reality a sophisticated 850 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,800 mimicry experiment. 851 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:13,960 Listen. 852 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,160 Fish in Buck-et. 853 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,960 Your parrot says, "Polly want a cracker," 854 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,560 and you give that parrot a cracker, 855 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,600 have you broken through to an alien species? 856 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,560 Fish in Buck-et. 857 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,680 - Ah-ah-ah! - Yes! 858 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,840 Peter could copy Margaret's sounds 859 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,040 and relate them to objects and people. 860 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,800 What he couldn't do was use the words to communicate 861 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,560 spontaneously back to her. 862 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,880 He listens to me so well! 863 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,120 Listen. 864 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,560 Margaret. 865 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,160 Margaret. 866 00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,800 Margaret. 867 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,520 Ah-aaaaah. 868 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,680 Listen, listen. 869 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,720 For Margaret, this was simply because the experiment 870 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,640 was stopped too early. 871 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,880 She believes Peter's progress was far more advanced than 872 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,800 a human infant's would have been after the same coaching. 873 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,520 And with more time, 874 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,120 she feels she would have taken his communication to the next level. 875 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,360 Six months. 876 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,440 You have a six-month-old baby, they're doing that? No. 877 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,040 You're talking to them all the time, sleeping with them, 878 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,520 hugging them, cuddling them, Are they doing that? No. 879 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,400 It's nothing. But people are impatient. 880 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,520 Do more, do more. 881 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,400 Despite the failure of the Dolphin House, 882 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,840 throughout the '70s and '80s, 883 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,840 Lilly's desire to communicate with dolphins continued. 884 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,480 Some of his research was bizarrely mystical, 885 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,920 like this attempt to try to contact them telepathically. 886 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,680 HE PLAYS THE KEYBOARD 887 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,520 Lilly was based in California, 888 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,640 and other experiments attracted high-profile celebrity interest. 889 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,600 We have this wonderful opportunity to explore communicating with 890 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,360 this species that lives 891 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,720 on our planet 892 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,080 with brains larger than ours. 893 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,840 Jeff Bridges was introduced to Lilly by Hollywood friends. 894 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,360 He became fascinated by his work trying to teach dolphins 895 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,760 to communicate using electronic sounds. 896 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,560 He was interested in trying to 897 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,080 teach humans a way 898 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,360 that would be easier for the dolphins to communicate. 899 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,600 And not so much trying to get the dolphins to speak humaneeze, 900 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,800 but giving the dolphins a code 901 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,160 rather than trying to make the dolphins speak like humans. 902 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,840 But Lilly's approach was completely at odds with other scientific 903 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,040 research into animal communication. 904 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,920 The failure of the Dolphin House killed off 905 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,800 serious scientific interest in teaching animals a human language. 906 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,200 Instead, over the following decades, 907 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,000 scientists have focused on trying to understand 908 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,320 animal-to-animal communication, 909 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,560 as Gregory Bateson and the astronomers had championed. 910 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,280 50 years after the Dolphin House, 911 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,200 it's not Peter's command of English 912 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,480 which the experiment is remembered for, 913 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200 but Margaret's sexual encounters with him. 914 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,280 When an account of what happened was finally published in the 1970s, 915 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,480 it fascinated a prurient public. 916 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480 And someone came up and said, "Well, aren't you just...?" 917 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,440 I didn't know what they were talking about. 918 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,960 I, first of all, had never even heard of Hustler Magazine. 919 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,280 And I opened the Hustler... 920 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,880 SHE GASPS And I found this story 921 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,360 with my name and Peter, 922 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,520 and a drawing of the sexual activity. 923 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,240 "The worst experiment in the world," I've read, was me and Peter. 924 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,200 I was very upset. 925 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,400 I never hid it from anybody. 926 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,200 There were people around, John Lilly sometimes. 927 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,160 Maybe somebody visiting with John Lilly. 928 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,720 Peter would be aroused and we would go through this. 929 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,640 But it always had to be respected. 930 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:25,200 Tarnished by the reputation of his work at the Dolphin House, Lilly 931 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,640 continued his use of mind-expanding drugs in the years which followed. 932 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,000 And he began championing many of the wilder ideas 933 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,640 from the counter-culture, becoming a new-age guru and cult figure. 934 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,440 With me is Dr John C Lilly. 935 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,480 What is true in the province of the mind? 936 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,840 In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true 937 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,840 either is true or becomes true within certain limits. 938 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,480 But as he got older, Lilly's appreciation of dolphin 939 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,640 intelligence got him thinking about the animals differently. 940 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,960 Up to that point, I think he was 941 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,160 very involved in what dolphins 942 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040 can do for me, John Lilly, the scientist. 943 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,720 And something happened along the way where he understood, 944 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,800 "They have just as much rights as we do 945 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,000 "and let's start thinking about what we can do for them." 946 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,960 John changed his thinking about the dolphins, 947 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,960 and he felt uncomfortable about keeping them confined - 948 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,480 and he ended up releasing his dolphins. 949 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,800 That's the first time that happened in America, or anywhere. 950 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,600 The first permit ever issued to release dolphins. 951 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,280 I had no right to confine them, 952 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,760 to imprison them, 953 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,280 to work on them. 954 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,880 My only right would be to work with them 955 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,840 in their natural habitat, in their natural state. 956 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,080 In the mid-1980s, Lilly began campaigning 957 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,720 relentlessly against holding dolphins captive. 958 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,480 This, together with the profile his work had given dolphins, 959 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,960 helped transform the way they were viewed by the public. 960 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,000 Congress passed the US Marine Mammal Protection Act. 961 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,480 And for organisations like Greenpeace, 962 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,400 they became an iconic symbol of the wider conservation movement. 963 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:34,000 That story of the rising campaign to afford new protections 964 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,800 to the world's marine mammals, 965 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,000 I would argue it's impossible to imagine that work without 966 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000 Lilly's legacy. 967 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,360 John Lilly died in hospital in 2001, after a short illness, 968 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,720 at the age of 86. 969 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,160 Margaret Howe had stayed on in St Thomas' and married 970 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,240 the photographer who had taken the pictures of her with Peter. 971 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,600 Remarkably, she and her husband continued living in the house 972 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,120 for another ten years, 973 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,760 converting it into a family home and bringing up three girls. 974 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,320 It was a good place, 975 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,480 there was good feeling in that building all the time. 976 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,120 But for Margaret, today the house has an even more powerful memory. 977 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,160 That relationship of having to be together, 978 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,640 that sort of turned into really enjoying being together, 979 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:33,320 and wanting to be together, and missing when you weren't there. 980 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,600 I'm a human, I'm in love with a human. 981 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,600 I married a human, I had babies. 982 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,960 I did have a very close encounter with... 983 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,440 I can't even say a dolphin again, ..with Peter, one dolphin. 984 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,080 I was very lucky. 985 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,920 PETER SQUEAKS 986 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,960 HE SQUEAKS 987 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,040 SHE GIGGLES 988 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,720 That's amazing! 989 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,680 For the first time in 50 years, 990 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,840 Margaret has been able to hear recordings of her with Peter. 991 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,480 Trying so hard! God... 992 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,920 'One, two, three, four, five. 993 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,720 'Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. 994 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,400 'Nice five, Peter.' 995 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,920 Nice five, Peter! 996 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,520 SHE LAUGHS AND CLAPS 997 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,640 PETER SQUEAKS 998 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,880 MARGARET: What is that all about, Peter? 79368

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