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Tonight, on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch.

The things that were going on there

were just so frightening and almost unbelievable.

Who is in the house?

I want to know who is in the house.

Whoa, you see this? Yep.

Yeah, that's angry.

That does look angry.

Are you OK?

I'm in pain.

It feels like knives, 10,000 knives

in the top of my shoulders.

For years, scientists have

been working to reveal the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.

But is it possible that the clues

to unlock the mystery are located

beyond the borders of this hub of high strangeness?

Wow.

Now, an ex-CIA agent and a veteran journalist

have been recruited by the Skinwalker team

to go on a high-stakes mission across America.

Look at all this activity that's happening.

That's unbelievable.

That is right over our heads.

That's it. That's it right there.

The goal-- uncover evidence that

may finally expose the truth.

How is this happening?

Now, it's going to get interesting.

Look, it's moving!

Look at that! Look at that!

Whoa!

Whoa!

This is just the beginning.

Paul and Andy, Rocky Mountain Ranch,

we're headed back again.

Tell us the plan.

Rocky Mountain Ranch, this location,

which looks like really an idyllic ranch setting,

has delivered over and over, these incredibly strange

phenomenon.

And the story begins with, you know,

a young girl who spent a lot of time at this

place in the early 1970s.

Right, a child, Katie

Paige, who has gone on to become a respected UFO researcher.

And what her relationship is with this ranch

seems to be something that we have been able to actually

literally measure in the past.

During their first investigation,

Katie shared a story of one of her most traumatizing memories

on the ranch as a child.

All the lights in the house went out.

And at that moment, it was like from every orifice of the house,

this electronic sounding voice comes out of the house.

And it basically stated, you know,

we have allowed you to remain.

Your friends will be instructed to remain silent concerning us.

That must have been terrifying.

It was terrifying.

Later, the team did an experiment

to see if Katie could trigger the house to speak

to her again using a ham radio.

We are back and we want to talk to you.

Whoa.

Whoa.

The house is absolutely reacting to Katie's voice.

After analyzing the audio from the experiment,

Travis and Erik also theorized that the house

was responding to Katie.

It's like the ranch recognizes her.

You know, we've seen things like that here on Skinwalker.

There's a long history here of reported sightings that have

to do with blacked-out helicopters, a military

presence, possible spacecraft.

There have been orb sightings.

There have been cryptid sightings.

That's a heck of a list.

There are so many parallels between these two locations,

between Rocky Mountain Ranch and Skinwalker Ranch.

In both cases, you've got unsuspecting families

whose lives are totally upended by these phenomenon.

And we're always trying to think

of how do we go and unlock the secrets that are

there at Rocky Mountain Ranch.

And we think we might have a strategy that's unique here.

We are now in touch with Katie's older sister.

Her name is Kris.

Much like Katie, on our first time around,

she's never been back.

She says that she and Katie, and Katie confirms this,

do not really talk about this part of their childhood.

So what we may have is sort of a new dataset.

A second witness that has not been corrupted

by years of conversation between the two of them

about their experience.

This is going to be like opening

a time capsule for these two.

We know what this ranch does with Katie present.

But what will this ranch do, how will this ranch react

if we bring a new experiencer?

We're going to focus on communication.

We're going to focus on radio signals.

We're going to focus on things that

may be links between the experiencers

and the ranch itself.

Yeah, we want to double down and push

the limit as much as we can and really

try to poke this hornet's nest.

We have a metaphor for what we think could be going on,

at least here at the ranch, and it's

kind of like how your phone, when you get into different cars

and you pair it to that car, you can be away

from that car for a long time.

And when you come back, your phone

will remember it and pair to it because you've

handshook with it before.

We've had people that we brought that hadn't been on the ranch

in 20, 15 years, and as soon as they got back, you know,

things started happening.

It's like the ranch remembered the person.

It is a unique observational opportunity.

It'll be really interesting.

Can't wait to see it. - OK.

Appreciate it, man.

Thanks, guys. Yeah.

All right.

Due to the sensitive nature of this investigation,

the current owners of Rocky Mountain Ranch

have asked for their names and location to be kept anonymous.

I'm really excited to be going back to this ranch.

I mean, of all the places that we've been,

every time we come back to the Rocky Mountain Ranch,

something new happens.

Yeah, I mean, coming back really for the third time

now, we've got a deep dataset.

Right, now, the last time we were here,

we really were able to focus in on some sort

of overhead anomaly happening at the landing site

in front of the ranch house.

During their last visit to the ranch,

Andy and Paul investigated an intense hotspot on the property

known as the landing site.

This is the area that Katie described

as a strange, barren circle where she and her sister

played on the ranch when they were young.

There was this very large, dry-dirt,

snowless circle, as if something was sitting here or something.

It's also the same spot where the team

had multiple rockets crash.

Oh my goodness.

And it's theorized that there

may be a portal overhead.

Whether it's literally a portal

opening up or even if it's just some sort

of electromagnetic phenomena that at least gives you

the impression of that, all the recipe is there for something

like this to happen.

There's really something interesting about that location.

I'm so curious to see what we learn from Kris, from the new--

from our new experiencer and what

we can really try to understand about these aerial phenomenon.

I mean, it's just bizarre.

Now the current ranch owners, Greg

and his daughter Nicole, have told me

that they've actually had some new experiences since

the last time we've been here. Right.

So I'll meet with Greg and Nicole

and understand what they've been doing at the ranch.

And in the meantime, you can head out to meet Kris.

Perfect.

Yeah, we've got a lot of ground to cover.

I think the divide-and-conquer strategy is the way to go.

Talk to you soon.

Morning.

Nice to see you again.

Oh, we got some new faces here.

Yes. This is my sister, Julie.

- Nice to meet you. - Julie, it's nice to meet you.

- You know Nicole. - Hey, nice to see you.

Nicole, good to see you again.

Well, I understand there's been some new experiences,

some new stories.

You OK, buddy?

He's trying to tell his side.

I understand. I like your side.

Well, what have you seen? What have you heard?

Oh, it was just some strange lights in the house.

In the house?

In the house.

It was probably 1:00 or so in the morning.

And then there's two skylights in the back bedroom.

And if, like, somebody is coming from the barn,

you can see the light coming through one of them.

And if someone's coming down the driveway,

you'd see the lights coming through the other one.

Well, this particular light came straight

down through both of them.

Wow.

And it lasted probably 10 seconds or so.

And then about 10, 15 minutes later, it did it again.

What?

And it was basically coming straight down.

Coming straight down, which implies that the light source

is actually over the house.

Yes, yes.

That's the way we thought.

That is so strange.

We've collected data that speaks to some kind of overhead anomaly

here.

What that is, we're still trying to figure out.

But we've measured it electromagnetically.

We've measured it with rockets.

So we know that there's something

happening above the ranch.

We just don't know when, why, how it is happening.

While Andy continues his conversation

with the current ranch owners, Paul

sits down with Katie's sister, Kris,

to discuss her own experiences on the ranch.

So what was it like growing up out here?

Katie and I had an interesting childhood.

I was a teenager at the time.

And so I, being the older sister,

would take care of Katie a lot.

A lot of what happened there and during that

time has kind of been really shoved down in my psyche.

Like, there's a lot of blocking going on.

The things that were going on there

were just so frightening and almost unbelievable.

It's things that if you went to talk to your friends about,

you wouldn't do it.

Because you would just be mocked and ridiculed and be

labeled a liar.

Is it something that you didn't talk about?

Oh, absolutely not.

We were instructed not to ever talk about it, and we didn't.

We didn't.

So here's the big question.

When you say we were instructed never

to talk about "it," what is it?

It being--

OK, that's a great question.

Yeah.

"It" being the events at the ranch.

One major impactful incident that happened within the house,

it was a night like where everybody's in a good mood

and playing games.

And out of the blue, bam, bam, bam,

bam, bam, but on the wall outside

of the house, a forceful pound.

It wasn't, Hello, anybody home?

No, it was boom, boom, boom.

Everything just screeched to a halt, right?

That's when the voice starts, in my recollection,

you know, a voice coming into the house.

We have allowed you to stay.

Your friends will not say anything about us.

It felt like it was under the threat of death.

OK.

So everybody is, like, frozen in their tracks--

in their tracks.

Right.

Very, very, very frightening.

Yeah, like, I can see it.

Your whole demeanor, you just went back there.

Yeah.

Another thing that was kind of freaky, I guess you would say,

is there was a large circle in the field.

And Katie and I would--

I don't know if you'd say hang out there, but we'd, you know,

toss a Frisbee or a ball or whatever.

It was just in the front.

There was snow around every once in a while like you have here.

And there was no snow in this perfect circle.

So it was almost like an eerie feeling.

Those kind of memories, they're a long time ago.

Secondly, they're almost like a dream-like state in my brain.

But how I know it wasn't a dream is because there's documentation

that it wasn't a dream.

What was unknown to Katie and Kris,

back in 1978, around the same time they were living there,

a group known as the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization,

or APRO, also documented the strange events at the ranch.

That APRO report, when I first read it,

I was literally stunned that things I had up in here

are on paper.

Right.

It feels like, you know, you did your best to put it away.

Yeah.

But--

I wish I could release that.

I'd like to be able to do that with this.

Well, we'll take it slow.

Thank you.

We have some experiments that we'd like to try.

We would love to just walk the grounds with you and Katie

and sort of, you know, see what it brings up for you, what it

brings up for Katie, for the two of you

to be back there together.

Yeah, it will be very, very interesting to see

the feelings that come up--

Yeah.

from an adult perspective, definitely.

So how do you feel, knowing that we're just

a few minutes from childhood?

I'm a little apprehensive, to be honest.

But I'm trying not to be fearful.

I'm an adult. I'm not that kid anymore.

After almost 50 years, Kris

is returning to Rocky Mountain Ranch

for the first time since her strange experiences

there as a teenager.

OK, so here we are.

OK.

Now we're getting closer.

Huh.

Caught your breath a little bit.

Wow.

Oh my gosh.

Wow.

Here we are.

Here we are.

- Welcome back, brother. - Hey, man.

- Hello. - Hello.

I'm Andy.

Hi, Kris, nice to meet you.

Kris, it's so great to have you back.

Yeah.

It's-- how did I get here, you know,

like, after all these years?

It's been a long journey.

Yeah. Should we--

Yeah, yeah.

-walk up a little bit.

Yeah.

Wow.

OK.

Wow.

Oh, it's so weird to be back here.

You all right?

Wow.

Um.

Wow.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I do have some emotions.

Oh.

I told myself I wasn't going to cry.

A lot of memories here.

Yeah.

OK. - OK.

- Let's keep going. - OK.

I'm sorry.

No, you're doing great.

Wow.

Well, the trees are bigger.

Now, Kris, this is our first time meeting.

But let's go wherever you feel called to go.

- Yeah. - OK.

And if you'll just share what you're feeling,

if you'll share what you're thinking,

if you'll share what you remember--

Mm-hmm.

Paul and I will immediately know whether or not we have any

sort of data that is correlative to whatever it

is that you experienced here.

We've talked to Katie.

We've learned what she experienced when

she was about 10 years old.

Now we've got her older sister, Kris,

who was a teenager at the time.

She's gonna have a much different

sense, maybe better memories of what she experienced here.

This is a great opportunity for us

to paint a fuller picture of the experience of this place.

I want to keep walking this way.

Sure, yeah.

Like, from the house, I don't know, maybe--

like, maybe in this--

do you mind if we walk a little bit further?

Absolutely.

More this way.

Wherever you feel drawn to.

OK.

Just trying to get a sense of how far we are from the house.

Oh, this looks interesting.

I feel sick to my stomach.

Oh, no.

Suddenly or--

Just getting a little nauseous feeling.

Emotional or--

I don't know.

It's OK.

Well, this is something that's very interesting to us.

Yeah.

Where you have parked us is exactly where

Katie showed me where the spot was

that you used to play Frisbee.

The landing site where Kris has led them is also

where the team has had two rockets crash

in previous investigations.

Oh my goodness.

And when Terra Exploration Group

ran a drone-based investigation here,

the results were completely unexplainable.

All that black area there is no magnetometer data.

I can't explain it.

It's never happened before.

I'm kind of speechless right now, to be honest.

What we're seeing here is that you and your sister

seem to be antennas that pick up the energy this ranch.

And we're in a position to help unlock a little bit of what

might be happening here.

Yeah.

Because we can bring the data and the experiences together.

You can see the memories that this place is prompting.

You can see sort of the pieces coming back together for her.

And she's just here by herself.

I'm really curious to see what happens

when she's here with Katie, when they're here together.

Now that Kris has had a chance

to explore the ranch on her own with Andy and Paul,

the team brings the two sisters together

later that night, before launching

into their first experiment.

Katie, it's great to have you back on the ranch.

And it's really something else to have the two of you

here at the same time.

Yeah, this is the first time we've been back here

together since we were kids.

I've, you know, spent my entire life

not wanting to know anything about this,

just trying to get rid of it.

Because it was very frightening.

And, you know, you don't want to carry that around.

I mean, this was not like a month or two or weeks.

This was three years of our life where this activity was

at its height, of circles on the ground and disembodied voices

and hums and all of it.

It was a lot to process.

And for us to come together to face that together is fantastic.

Well, we will literally take it one step at a time.

I think, you know, for Andy and I,

the idea is we really are-- you know, we're here with you,

but we're also observing you.

We want to see how you react.

And, you know, we're going to follow your lead.

Welcome back, Jares.

Hey, glad to be back.

Jares, great to have you again.

Wonderful to be back.

Tell me a little bit about what we're planning to do again here.

I know what kind of equipment I have here,

but I don't know exactly what we're trying to do.

Our goal here is to exactly replicate

the same experiment we did with you the last time

we were on this ranch.

For their first experiment,

Andy and Paul have brought in engineer and ham radio

specialist Jares Doverspike to test the theory

that the phenomena at Rocky Mountain Ranch

might be able to communicate with Katie and her sister Kris.

The most sort of unsettling experiences

that both of the sisters report having was the night when

the house was powered down, when the entire house had lost power,

that somehow there was a voice coming

through the stereo system.

During their first investigation,

the team broadcasted Katie's voice through a ham radio

into the house and up into space,

capturing what appeared to be the ranch responding back.

We are back, and we want to talk to you.

Whoa.

Whoa.

Rocky Mountain Ranch

seems to have a number of things in common with Skinwalker Ranch.

And one of the things they have in common

is that the ranch seems to have its own relationship

or its own response to different people on the ranch.

So a big part of what we're trying to do here

is bring in Kris and see if we can't measure

a difference in the amplitude between the two sisters

and the ranch itself.

For this experiment, they're going to use a ham radio

to broadcast on a 1.6-gigahertz frequency,

which correlates with strange phenomena and has been

used by the Skinwalker team to try

to communicate with the ranch.

We're gonna be broadcasting a sweep across this 1.6 gigahertz,

part of the spectrum where we're getting these weird signals here

on the ranch.

We're going to hopefully stimulate

the biggest response so far.

So your equipment is exactly the same

as what we had here last time.

Exactly the same equipment.

Exactly the same setup.

It's transmitting on the exact same frequency.

Pretty much couldn't get more similar to what

we were doing before.

Andy and Paul have also set up multiple vintage

radios to replicate the setup when the sisters were children

in the 1970s and heard electronic

voices coming through radio speakers inside the house.

So this is the actual room where Katie and her sister

experienced those disembodied voices

that were coming from speakers that had no power source.

This is our version of a speaker with no power source,

a crystal radio that essentially runs off of no external energy

at all.

And it's connected to an oscilloscope here.

So the oscilloscope will show us visually if there's any energy

coming from the crystal radio.

That's the heart of this experiment

is to have this room filled with highly sensitive equipment--

Right.

so that any change that's perhaps even beyond human

hearing, the equipment itself will

pick it up here and then tell us from the safety of the patio.

All right.

Let's get these guys turned on.

And then we'll be ready to start.

The plan is, after they broadcast a voice at 1.6

gigahertz into the atmosphere, they

will use multiple radios inside the house

and monitor for any audio anomalies

coming from the speakers.

The most sensitive radio they're using

is a crystal radio, which works without electricity.

Attached to the crystal radio is an oscilloscope,

which will graphically display any electrical signal

coming from the crystal radio.

And then we also have a spectrum

analyzer connected to a highly sensitive microphone.

So anything those mics pick up, we'll be able to see

in terms of a spectrum here.

The team is adding additional data

to the experiment by setting up two AI-powered UFODAPs that

can identify any unknown aerial phenomena and also

a thermal camera to capture any temperature

changes in the atmosphere.

Both instruments are focused on the most intense hotspot

on the ranch, the landing site, to monitor for any activity

during the experiment.

We know from our previous experiment with Katie

that the house can react, that something in the environment

here responds to her presence.

What's going to happen with the two of them together?

That's what we're here to find out.

Having both of us here should prove to be quite interesting.

Yeah.

Let's find out.

- Hello. - Hi.

- Hey. - Hi.

- This is my sister Kris. - Nice to meet you.

Hi, nice to meet you.

Kris, this is Jares Doverspike.

He's our radio experiment expert here.

We've seen an amazing response with your sister

when she came out here and did the same experiment.

We saw significant variances in the static

that was actually being produced by the AM radios.

What we're curious about is whether or not

any part of this energy transfer changes now that the two of you

are here.

Bottom line is the only difference is you.

This is reaching way back in time.

I mean, here you are in the present,

you know, just outside the room where one of the most salient

experiences you had here took place.

How does it feel to be back here?

Shocking.

And right now I'm a little nervous, to be honest.

It stayed with us all these years.

We'd sleep in the same room because she

was a protector to me.

And I really looked to her to protect me.

Well, we hope that we can try to unpack and understand

a little better, you know, what went on here

and what might still be going on here.

So our first step here will be basically a control.

Right.

Jares will make an announcement.

and we'll see whether or not there's

any reaction on the radio spectrum to Jares' announcement.

- Everybody ready for this? - All right.

- Go for it. - All right.

CAN4, [bleep] CQ, CQ, CQ.

Let me know if anyone else can hear me out there.

You can see what baseline looks like when

Jares launches, right?

That's the length of his transmission.

Otherwise, it looks the same before and after.

OK.

OK, you're up.

OK.

Ready?

Speak directly to the phenomenon.

CAN4 [bleep].

I'm going to be having a secondary operator

off of my station.

Hi, I just want you to know that I am here.

I was here many, many years ago.

And you significantly impacted my life over these many years.

Here we are now trying to figure out what's going on,

who you are, and what you're about.

I saw a notice on the oscilloscope

during that I don't think I saw during my transmission.

When you spoke, there

was a completely different signature on the oscilloscope

than when she spoke.

That's fascinating.

And that's not what we would expect.

They should be the same. It's just a human voice.

It's just energy.

Yeah.

This is not something that would be typical.

If the oscilloscope changes, that means that the crystal

radio is picking something up. - Right.

Hmm.

That's a very different response

than what we got with Katie.

Very different.

Last time with Katie, we saw a spike on the spectrum analyzer.

This time we're seeing something on the oscilloscope.

It's a little more subtle.

But no question-- we are seeing a response from the environment,

from the house, from whatever energy is here.

There's an energy shift here happening.

Right.

It is very clearly tied to Kris and her transmission.

Andy and Paul are with Katie, Kris, and engineer

Jares Doverspike conducting a ham radio experiment

to see if they can communicate directly with the phenomena

on Rocky Mountain Ranch.

We haven't tested Katie yet on the transmission.

Maybe that's the next step. OK.

Ready for me to call again, just

to do another baseline check? - Yes, sir.

All right.

CAN4 [bleep] I'm gonna be having a secondary operator

off of my station.

So that's normal.

OK.

OK, I'm ready.

All right, so who is in the house?

Whatever you are--

I want to know who is in the house.

Who am I talking to?

My sister and I, all these years, we've lived with this.

And we want to know who, what, and why

we're communicating with you.

I just saw it go nuts.

- Did you see it moving? - For awhile, yeah, I did.

Right off the bat, there's this,

like, intense flicker of activity,

and then it stabilizes.

Right with her voice.

Yeah.

That thing changed, that oscilloscope energy

changed significantly.

Wow.

That was-- that was something.

What we were seeing before

in our first experiment here, there

was an audible change only.

There was no change in the oscilloscope.

Same person, different response.

But again, the only difference is the presence

of the other sister.

And I wonder if the energy between you

somehow is affecting the energy that you're putting out,

you know, that the sum is greater than the parts.

Well, yeah, I think you're making a fantastic point.

We did not account for the fact that we have actually introduced

two variables, an additional person,

but also a complete change in energy

by putting the two of them together.

Right.

Because I feel safer with big sister here.

Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah.

We should introduce a third element to the test.

We should have a transmission from both of them.

OK, do it.

All right.

CAN4 [bleep].

I'm going to be having secondary operators off of my station.

So, so many things happened at this ranch

with pounding on the house, with orbs flying off,

with a circle on the ground, the landing site, um, what

is up with the landing site?

I mean, what was there and what is still there now?

Is there something still underground?

Is it above ground?

What is it?

This is something that you need

to know terrified many, many people here

for many, many years.

And if that's what you were trying to do, job well done.

Wow.

I mean, that was incredible.

That was a lot. --in that time.

And the correlation about when the energy shifts

happened along with what you were talking about

was really significant.

The landing site, it just seemed to just go vroom.

That's mind bending.

It really is.

It's mind bending that there's something to respond.

But it's not a response to all of us.

It's only a response to the two of you.

Our control did not get that response.

Whatever it is about the sisters, about their presence,

about their--

their activation of this environment,

it is having a measurable, confirmable effect.

Our goal here really was to see how you sort of changed the mix,

and I think what we've seen here is, significantly.

You know, I've been thinking that all data points

to some kind of relationship between these two sisters

and the ranch itself.

One of the things that we haven't tried yet

is just passively observing what happens

when we let the two sisters themselves

be the target of the study.

Right.

Instead of trying to provoke a response

or trying to find the boundaries of an anomaly

or trying to dig into the energy source,

what if we just observed?

That's interesting.

Yeah, I mean, we've never really done that.

What we've done time after time is

try to use physical sort of instrument-related triggers

to get some kind of response from wherever

we are, right, whether it's lasers or rockets or audio,

right?

This time we have the chance to use really people as triggers.

Right.

So we use our technology to see what's happening

in the invisible world.

But then we let these two sisters come together

and essentially trigger or bait the phenomenon

into showing itself. - Right.

We know that whatever relationship

these sisters hold with the ranch

is an intense relationship.

So I feel like we should take them to the most

intense anomaly on the ranch.

Right to the landing site.

Yeah, I mean, really, that's the site where seemingly everything

happens at this place.

We'll set up all of our equipment.

We'll put ourselves in full observation mode.

We'll have the two of them and really light the fuse

and see what happens. - Sounds like a plan.

This place usually delivers.

We have everything set up tonight

for I'm hoping what is going to be one of our most

exploratory experiments here.

What we're going to try to do here

is record the influence that you two may or may

not have on this environment. - OK.

All right.

For their final test at Rocky Mountain Ranch,

Andy and Paul have brought sisters Kris and Katie

to the landing site to see if having them

both there together might elicit any strange phenomena.

This is the same place where both of you

independently took me and identified

the bare spot in the ground.

It's also the spot where we've had very

sophisticated equipment fail.

We've seen rockets fall out of the sky, just in this very spot,

not to mention the fact that we've had other report sources,

like the APRO report itself, that all

reported strange phenomenon happening in this area.

Yeah, right in this location.

The team has set up thermal cameras

to monitor for any changes in temperature,

AI-powered UFODAPs to capture any aerial anomalies,

and a spectrum analyzer to see what radio energy

is present in the environment.

So what we're doing right now is establishing baselines,

trying to get a sense of what does normal look like right out

of the gate so we can measure anything

that changes against that.

You see that

Oh, look at that.

So what we're seeing here is a very intense signal

here at 1.6128 gigahertz.

And then this is showing you that there's

some fluctuating energy that's related to that signal.

1.6 to 1.8 gigahertz is a restricted frequency

range reserved for Earth-to-space and

space-to-Earth communication.

I'm going to see

if there's anything else happening in the spectrum, Paul.

Mm-hmm.

We're seeing this 1.6 signal.

Is this being triggered by their presence?

Is it being triggered by some of the experiments

we carried out earlier?

That's what we're trying to figure out.

Is this the location where you felt the nausea hit you?

Yes, mm-hmm, right away.

Nothing tonight, though?

No, nothing tonight.

Mm-mm.

Nope.

Whoa.

You see this? Yep.

Yeah.

What is that, Paul?

Let me zoom out.

Look at all that fluctuating energy.

Yeah, that's really weird.

That looks angry.

That does look angry.

What is that?

Wow, what could that be?

It has an edginess to it.

Where all that energy is coming from

is something beyond me.

Look at that, and it's intensifying.

It's interesting how it does that.

It'll just, like, get mad almost.

You're interpreting this to be anger?

Yeah, like angry at us for trying to identify it

or to mess with it somehow.

To me, it's like, we--

they know we're here and we know they're here kind of thing.

Mm-hmm.

My shoulders are on fire right now.

So I don't know what that is.

Is it tied to the message that you're getting or is

it tied to something else?

I have no idea.

I don't know.

It's the first thing you said is it's angry.

So if you're feeling like whatever

the phenomenon is is angry--

Right.

I mean, that obviously would make you feel uncomfortable.

Yeah.

Are you OK?

Breathe.

Yeah, no, we're OK.

OK, so just keep us--

keep us in the loop.

Look at that. Whoa.

Whoa, whoa.

This is up at 1.73 gigahertz, 1.731 gigahertz.

I mean, it just keeps going and going.

Are you all right?

I gotta be honest, you don't look OK.

Yeah, no--

You look like you're really worried.

I'm in pain. I'm in pain.

It's, like, unbearable right now.

Yeah, I'm right here.

It's burning.

It feels like 10,000 knives in the top of both of my shoulders.

OK.

OK.

Is it radiating downwards?

- Yeah. - OK.

Like, right down into here.

OK.

I mean, she looks very pale to me

now compared to how she did before.

You all right?

A nine.

I just want to go get warm.

It's OK.

OK. - Yeah, I'm concerned.

Yeah, look, we're just going to walk you back.

All right.

I don't understand that.

Because the whole time I was standing there,

I was, like, trying to communicate--

Sit down here.

in my mind mentally.

And the more I did that, the more that

was happening in my shoulders.

Wow.

Jeez.

When I first took her blood pressure,

it was actually really high.

On the second one, it calmed down.

I am obviously concerned with what's going on.

And I am thinking that whatever was going

on up there is a stressful--

a stressful environment.

I'm glad that we got her out of that situation.

I don't think we need to call 911.

But I am gonna kind of monitor her.

Absolutely.

We're not going anywhere.

Yeah.

She's shaking.

I don't know why I'm shaking.

So, guys, welcome back to Rocky Mountain Ranch.

Tell us what happened.

Where do we start?

Third time's a charm, guys.

Yeah, I have to say that this was

one of our most interesting experiences

at Rocky Mountain Ranch to date.

We started by engaging Kris.

And as soon as she landed, it was astonishing to watch.

Because she took us, of her own direction,

her own natural instinct, back to that same bare spot,

that landing site.

And it was remarkable.

I mean, it's been 50 years.

So this is the opening of that time capsule that I mentioned.

It was like she was returning home.

Wow.

The next thing we wanted to do was

try to get Kris and Katie together to exactly replicate

the same ham radio experiment that we

did during our very first investigation with Katie alone.

Right.

So Jares came in.

He set up the same AM radios that we had used before.

He set up the same crystal radio that we had set up before.

We had a FLIR running and we had our UFODAPs running.

OK.

So our production team actually

put together a number of highlights

for us, some very interesting things

that happened at the same time that the sisters were

present in the ranch house.

And I want to share that with you next.

OK, we can correlate those.

- Correct. - Yeah, OK.

Correct.

And here we actually have the first clip happens,

when Katie and Kris enter the room,

this is what happens on the FLIR.

So this is what's wild, guys.

OK, what did we just see there?

Here we see this large black mass.

That's a cold burst.

In nature, thermal events usually play out slowly.

Yes.

Not on that timescale.

Yes.

And where are we looking?

Almost directly over the landing site.

Are you kidding me?

Nope No.

Well, that certainly changes my interpretation

of what we're looking at.

Yes, it does.

Think about it like this.

Wouldn't you say it's about 68 degrees in here

or 70 degrees or something?

All right, now watch this.

If I had a FLIR over here on this wall,

it would all be pretty much one color.

Right.

Y'all feel that cold air?

FLIR would have just changed.

Right.

What is this?

Yeah, a portal. A portal.

It's a portal.

Wow.

You're frustrating me with this data.

Yes.

But not in a bad way.

Erik is always frustrated, and I like

it when you get him that way.

[laughs] Now we have more hits that we wanted

to run by you, this time corresponding to the point

in the night where Kris and Katie tell

the story of the voice that they heard as children in the house.

So who is in the house?

Whatever you are, I want to know who is in the house?

Who am I talking to?

And again, you can see off to the right--

Yeah, it's an airplane.

Mm-hmm.

There was a flash up there.

Right, you saw that, too, right?

Yeah, yeah.

That's what we're trying to make sense of.

It's bright.

Now, I picked up on something as you played it this time,

Andy.

I was watching this plane track across from the right

to the left here in our field of view,

and it appeared that it went like this.

I'm hitting play.

Here's real time again.

And, of course, of interest to me here, given where

we're looking, is might we have an optical anomaly taking place?

I understand that's where

you were going with that.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, look at that.

That was significant.

Go back to that.

Right, just stop.

Now, play it forward.

Right there.

It's consistently doing this.

It does a shuffle.

Yes, it almost appears that we're viewing this aircraft

through some kind of shimmer. Right.

This is exactly what we've been

trying to capture for several years now here at the Triangle.

You have a known light source, commercial air

traffic way behind you.

And we see, as it passes behind, what

we know to be an anomalous hotspot or zone of interest,

the position and trajectory of this air traffic

wiggles in a way that would be reminiscent of a optical

distortion between us and it.

Whatever is causing this, you're

saying there's some kind of lensing effect here--

Yes.

that's happening in the anomaly over the landing site.

Yes.

We got a lot of data at that point.

You got rocket crashes.

You've got rocket malfunctions.

You've got this weird hole in the grass.

We've got missing magnetometer data.

I'm not gonna jump up and say, hey, we just found a wormhole

or, hey, we just found the portal, but here's the thing.

This, to me, is the best piece of data

that you've gathered on this experiment.

That is the best example of what--

I mean, that is a good catch, Erik, a very good catch.

Not the same night, but the following night, the two sisters

agreed to go back to that same bare spot, that landing site.

We moved our entire experiment station out to the landing site.

OK.

We are right in it.

So I wanted you to see the change in the RF spectrum.

OK.

All right.

Whoa.

You see this? Yep.

Yeah. - What is that, Paul?

Let me zoom out.

That's angry.

That does look angry.

Wow. Whoa.

What could that be?

Is all that data?

It looks like it is.

Yeah, I mean, it looks structured in a way

that it's someone's technology.

Right.

But whose?

And then I also wanted to show you the response that we started

getting from Kris and Katie.

Are you all right?

I gotta be honest, you don't look OK.

Yeah, no.

You look like you're really worried.

I'm in pain. I'm in pain.

It feels like knives, like 10,000 knives

in the top of my shoulders.

Her response began as soon as we saw the radio frequencies

start bouncing around.

She did not escape that pain until we literally

removed her from that site and took her into the garage

of the ranch house.

You went inside and closed the garage door?

- Mm-hmm. - Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Right, well, which was probably

a fairly decent shielding.

We had one day here where suddenly I was

getting nauseous, sick, pain.

So I went and got into these metal silos.

And when I did, it's like you flipped a switch.

I felt fine.

Son of a

Did it really go away?

Yes.

It's like a damn switch.

That was-- that was freaky weird.

Somehow I was being susceptible

to some sort of electromagnetic event

that everybody else wasn't.

I would say that we're learning every time we get together,

guys, as we go beyond Skinwalker,

there's so many more aspects to it that just keeping our arms

around it is not an easy task.

Yeah.

The biggest question I have now for Katie and Kris

is how do they feel now?

Have they reconciled?

Have they made peace with it or has

it stirred up something worse?

And I'd really be interested to know that and know what they

think about, you know, further, you know,

poking in this hornet's nest.

Because we're gonna poke, whether they're with us or not.

We're going back to wherever that anomaly is

and doing some more measurements.

We'll start working on a plan for what

we want that to look like.

Thank you for what you brought to the table.

- It was a pleasure. - Good job, guys.

Well, thanks, guys. All right.

Thank you. Yeah, man.

Great work.