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The year was 1978
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when the killing spree of
John Wayne Gacy finally came to an end,
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as Chicago police arrested him
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and began digging up bodies he
had buried under his Summerdale house.
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Many called it the crime of the century.
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Some of the bodies were clothed
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and three of the bodies had
ropes around their necks.
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He killed 33 times
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and his victims were all boys
and young men between the ages of 14...
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He says he's a victim
for being found guilty
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and he says the families
are victims
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because they don't know who
the real killer is.
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Testimony provided
a frightening view inside the mind
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of the worst mass killer
in American history.
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33 families...
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When you have a child
taken out of your life,
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it's like a huge piece
being ripped out...
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Cook County sheriff's
deputies investigating the disappearance
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of a teenaged boy
made a gruesome discovery
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in the crawl space
beneath a Chicago residence.
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The owner of the house is local contractor
John Wayne Gacy.
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The bodies of 28 victims have
been recovered...
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He knew exactly what he was doing;
he planned it in advance;
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he carried it out
and he enjoyed it.
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spree was initially uncovered
on a cold December day
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when the first of his victims
was found in the crawl space
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beneath his suburban Chicago home.
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In the crawl space,
bodies covered with lye
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dug up a few days before Christmas,
one after another.
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The bodies of 28 victims
have been recovered;
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another five retrieved
from the Des Plaines River...
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Tuesday, four bodies;
Wednesday, six bodies;
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and today, six bodies.
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Skeletonized remains
of human bodies.
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At one point he told police
how he murdered his victims.
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Now he's telling me he never did.
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John Wayne Gacy was
convicted in 1980
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for the rape and murder
of those 33 boys and young men,
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many of whom he buried
under his Chicago house
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while others were found
in the Des Plaines River.
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That was 13 years ago
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and today attorneys have filed
their final appeal
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with the Seventh Circuit Court
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while Gacy remains on death row
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at the Menard Correctional Center
in Illinois.
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The US Court of Appeals
upheld his conviction and death sentence,
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a move that could clear
the way for his execution within...
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Who are they talking about?
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Gacy.
He just filed his last appeal.
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About what it's like to
be waiting to die on death row.
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Due to be executed in six months...
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Feet off the coffee table.
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No, I don't sit around
worrying about the death penalty.
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See, I'm a PMA kind of person...
positive mental attitude.
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I don't have time
for negative thinking and death...
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This guy's been in prison since '78
and they're just gonna kill him now?
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The reason it takes so long is
'cause of our appellate system.
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And refuses to cooperate
with law enforcement.
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This thing that I did...
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no, if I'm guilty of anything, it's operating
a funeral home without a license.
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And you want a career
in law enforcement?
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These people are
so incompetent.
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Okay, Mom.
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They had no confession.
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I'm an embarrassment to
the criminal-justice system
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because it's easier to kill me now
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than to admit that they screwed up
15 years ago.
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Authorities have tried
on numerous occasions
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to elicit a detailed
confession from Gacy,
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but he has remained tight-lipped
about the crimes ever since his conviction.
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With time running out
for the death-row inmate,
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the truth may never be revealed.
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Antisocial Personality Disorder,
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or APD,
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is characterized by a lack of regard
for the moral or legal standards
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in a given culture.
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There's also an inability
to get along with others
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as well as to abide
by societal rules.
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Now individuals with this disorder
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are often referred to as psychopaths
or sociopaths, but in fact we know...
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Yes, Jason?
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Doesn't the DSM have
a broader APD category
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that includes people who commit illegal,
immoral or self-serving acts,
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but they're not necessarily
psychopathic?
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What's the DSM?
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Oh, would you care to
enlighten the class, Jason?
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Sure, it's the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders.
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And although it has some
problems with reliability
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and is considered culturally biased,
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it is the major resource
for mental-health professionals.
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- Well, thank you, Professor Moss.
- Mm-hmm.
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Well, that's not precisely correct,
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but I'd say it's close enough.
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Uh, okay look,
we're going over,
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so why don't we stop there
and we will pick it up again next week?
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Thank you.
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- I'll catch up with you, okay?
- Okay.
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Professor Harris?
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Can I talk to you
about the term paper?
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Term paper? That's not due
till the end of the year.
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Yeah, I know. I just... I want
to get a head start on it.
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Sure. What's your question?
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So I want to do my paper
on John Wayne Gacy.
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Gacy?
What's the angle?
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Um...
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Well, there's a thousand angles
that could be explored...
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um, capital punishment from
the perspective of a death-row inmate;
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does Gacy fit the typical FBI profile
of a serial killer?
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And he's... he's scheduled
to be executed in six months,
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so he might be more willing
to talk to me.
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You know, Jason, I've read
a hundred papers on serial killers
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and quite frankly, I think
the topic's overexposed and trite.
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You're gonna have to demonstrate
a really strong academic angle here.
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Okay?
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Okay.
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I'll work on it.
I'll get back to you.
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And don't forget, this paper counts
for half your final grade.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm not worried.
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Hi, Mr. Gacy.
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So where's the big guy?
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He had to make a delivery
but he should be back soon.
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What kind of damage is
he looking to do now?
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I think he was talking about tearing down
that back wall by the storage area.
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All right, I'll go take a look.
How's it going, pal?
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Hey.
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Did you get your Christmas bonus?
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No, not yet.
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- You?
- No, not yet.
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Well, it better come in soon.
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How much you make
an hour here?
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$2.50.
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You know, I pay my guys $7.50.
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Really?
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You interested?
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Oh shit.
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Hey.
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Where the fuck were you?
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I know, man, I'm sorry.
I got held up.
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Look at me. Hey.
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What the fu...
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Alex, why does that guy
keep fucking with you?
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Just drive, okay?
I want to get out of here.
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- Later.
- Bye, Alex.
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I'm sorry I was late.
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You guys are late.
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I know, Mom. It's my fault.
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Alex, take your hat off at the table.
It's not polite.
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- So how was school, boys?
- It was good.
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Good.
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Did you hear me?
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Alex, do what your mother says.
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What the hell happened
to your eye?
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- Nothing.
- What do you mean, nothing?
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It doesn't look like nothing to me.
Jason, what happened?
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It's not a big deal, Mom, okay?
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He just got into it
with some kid at school.
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You should see the other kid.
Alex really held his own in there.
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- I don't support violence in this house.
- It wasn't in this house.
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Don't get smart with me.
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Pass the salad.
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- So guess what?
- What's that, Jason?
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I'm gonna write a letter
to John Wayne Gacy.
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And who is John Wayne Gacy?
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He's a psychotic murderer, Frank.
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You don't know who
John Gacy is?
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So why are you contacting
this psychotic murderer, Jason?
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For my criminology class.
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Cool.
Does he write his letters in blood?
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Frank, are you hearing any of this?
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Come on, Valerie,
what's the point?
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Let him write the letter.
Probably won't even write back.
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- I don't care. The answer is no.
- Valerie...
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- No, I'm telling you...
- Dear Mr. Gacy,
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my name is Jason Moss
and I'm an 18-year-old college student.
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I'm writing because I thought you might
get bored or lonely where you are
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and might want someone
to correspond with.
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I've been seeing you on TV a lot lately
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and I wanted
to talk to you directly
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as I'm sure most of what the media
says about you is a lie.
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At the moment I live at home
with my family.
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And if they found out I was writing
to you, they'd probably kill me.
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But my mom is pretty much against
everything I do anyways,
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so what's the difference?
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I have to admit that
I'm really not much of a student.
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I barely graduated from high school,
so it's a miracle I even got into college.
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But I'm just gonna go
for a year or so to appease my parents
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and then when I can get
enough money together
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I'll move out.
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I can't wait.
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At this point, I don't really know what
else to say until you write me back.
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If you should need anything like paper
or supplies, just let me know.
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I'd be happy to help.
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I'm sure there are
many others who write you,
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but I hope you take the time
to write me back.
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You'll see that
I'm a pretty nice guy.
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I look forward
to hearing from you soon.
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Your friend, Jason Moss.
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Look, Sam, I need to know how long
this habeas corpus review is gonna be.
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I mean on average...
how long does it take?
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I know that, Sam.
I'm just trying to figure out
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how much time it's gonna buy me,
you know?
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I know you're working hard.
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I know that.
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Listen to me, buddy,
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you've got to know
that I'm counting on you here, pal.
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All right, all right.
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All right, keep me posted.
If you hear anything, get back to me.
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Good news?
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He's an attorney;
there's never any good news.
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But no worries.
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You know me, Stan.
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I got friends in high places
pulling strings for me.
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I'm sure it'll all work out then.
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Yeah, it's no problem, buddy.
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...and his motive unclear.
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In the summer of 1985,
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Southern California was held hostage
by a rabid creature of the night,
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a phantom killer who cloaked
himself in darkness
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and soon became known as...
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What the fuck?
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Look at this.
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- What is this?
- It's a questionnaire.
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Where'd you get it?
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It's from John Wayne Gacy.
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The serial killer?
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Yeah.
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I told you, I'm writing him
for my criminology paper.
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No you didn't.
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I didn't? Really?
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Look, you know, I probably
didn't think it was a big deal
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because I never thought
he'd write me back, but...
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"What's your relationship
like with your parents?
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Do you have a girlfriend?
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How often do you masturbate?"
That's disgusting.
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Why are you writing to this guy?
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I just told you...
it's for my paper.
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You couldn't think of anything else
to do your paper on?
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No, this is what's intriguing to me.
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You're not really gonna tell him
about yourself, right?
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No no.
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That wouldn't be
the best approach, would it?
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So I see Victor Leon Carsenos
is back on your most-wanted list.
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Didn't you guys arrest him in '92
for felonious homicide?
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Yep, but he got off
on a technicality.
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So what's the urgency, Mr. Ross?
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00:15:41,576 --> 00:15:46,161
Uh, it's... it's this, sir.
247
00:15:46,204 --> 00:15:47,804
And it's "Moss."
248
00:15:52,105 --> 00:15:55,523
- A questionnaire?
- From John Wayne Gacy.
249
00:15:55,559 --> 00:15:58,005
Okay.
250
00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,961
I wrote him for my criminology term paper
and he sent me that back,
251
00:16:01,996 --> 00:16:05,974
so I was hoping the FBI would be able to
give me some more information on him.
252
00:16:06,019 --> 00:16:09,700
Well, unfortunately you're barking
up the wrong tree, son.
253
00:16:09,741 --> 00:16:12,623
We don't have any information here
on John Gacy.
254
00:16:13,866 --> 00:16:16,175
If we did have anything, it'd probably
be at the Chicago bureau.
255
00:16:16,214 --> 00:16:20,294
Really? 'Cause, well,
he lived here in '62.
256
00:16:20,337 --> 00:16:24,122
He worked part time
as a janitor at a funeral parlor.
257
00:16:24,161 --> 00:16:27,705
And then shortly after that,
he was convicted of child molestation
258
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:30,961
for which he served only 18 months
of a 10-year sentence.
259
00:16:31,001 --> 00:16:32,807
Mmm.
260
00:16:32,845 --> 00:16:36,892
Well, you know
so much about him,
261
00:16:36,937 --> 00:16:38,810
what do you need me for?
262
00:16:38,846 --> 00:16:43,134
Well, I was hoping you could tell me
something I didn't already know.
263
00:16:45,755 --> 00:16:48,395
Look, son, like I told you before,
264
00:16:48,436 --> 00:16:51,615
we don't have anything here
on John Gacy.
265
00:16:51,656 --> 00:16:54,332
And the only thing I heard about him
was about some kid
266
00:16:54,372 --> 00:16:57,115
that claimed he had
an encounter with Gacy.
267
00:16:57,155 --> 00:16:59,224
But that was all over
the news when he moved here,
268
00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:02,275
so I'm sure you already
know about that.
269
00:17:02,319 --> 00:17:03,793
An encounter?
270
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:06,503
Like what do you mean...
he survived an attack?
271
00:17:06,543 --> 00:17:08,314
Who was it?
272
00:17:08,353 --> 00:17:10,594
I don't remember the kid's name.
273
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:18,470
Have you guys ever tried writing him
from a potential victim's perspective?
274
00:17:20,156 --> 00:17:22,100
All psychological profiling's
done out of Quantico,
275
00:17:22,135 --> 00:17:24,113
so you'd have to talk to them.
276
00:17:24,147 --> 00:17:26,627
Yeah? Okay, do you have someone
I can contact there?
277
00:17:29,881 --> 00:17:33,963
Listen, kid, you're what... 18?
278
00:17:34,006 --> 00:17:37,961
Go get laid.
Find a party, have fun.
279
00:17:37,995 --> 00:17:40,270
Don't get caught up in
all this shit
280
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:42,790
'cause it's only gonna
lead to trouble.
281
00:17:42,824 --> 00:17:47,374
Write your term paper
about legalizing marijuana
282
00:17:47,417 --> 00:17:50,527
and go be a teenager,
for Christ's sake.
283
00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:53,714
Okay. Well, thank you.
284
00:17:55,163 --> 00:17:58,616
So tell me about
your relationship with your father.
285
00:17:58,651 --> 00:18:00,960
I could never get along
with my dad.
286
00:18:00,998 --> 00:18:03,102
I mean, he was always
just too overbearing.
287
00:18:03,144 --> 00:18:05,144
I was always dumb and stupid.
288
00:18:05,189 --> 00:18:08,504
I would never amount to anything.
So I said to hell with it.
289
00:18:08,541 --> 00:18:12,966
I remember one time I was
rasslin' around with some older kids
290
00:18:13,002 --> 00:18:14,475
and I passed out.
291
00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:17,620
So I was always more or less
a sickly kid, you know.
292
00:18:17,662 --> 00:18:21,779
And I guess that embarrassed him.
293
00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:25,203
Okay, so you continue to deny
the murder of those 33 young boys,
294
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,219
but how do you explain the bodies
found beneath your house?
295
00:18:29,264 --> 00:18:33,311
The state wants you
to believe this fantasy theory, right,
296
00:18:33,356 --> 00:18:35,561
that the motive was sex
297
00:18:35,601 --> 00:18:39,351
and that they were all killed so that
they couldn't tell anyone what they saw.
298
00:18:39,391 --> 00:18:42,169
That's ridiculous.
It doesn't hold water.
299
00:18:42,207 --> 00:18:43,978
The facts don't match the fantasy.
300
00:18:44,017 --> 00:18:47,367
Which raises the question
who John Gacy really is...
301
00:18:47,404 --> 00:18:49,439
the 34th victim.
302
00:18:49,484 --> 00:18:51,896
Are you a homosexual?
303
00:18:51,932 --> 00:18:55,784
I would definitely not
be homosexual.
304
00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:58,233
Now I have nothing against
the things that they do
305
00:18:58,269 --> 00:19:01,744
and I openly admit
that I've engaged in sex with males.
306
00:19:01,790 --> 00:19:03,825
But I would be bisexual.
307
00:19:03,868 --> 00:19:06,943
I mean the idea that
I'm some crazed homosexual killer
308
00:19:06,986 --> 00:19:08,585
strolling around the streets
309
00:19:08,629 --> 00:19:11,738
stalking and murdering
young altar boys is ludicrous.
310
00:19:11,782 --> 00:19:13,782
Hell, if you could have
seen my schedule,
311
00:19:13,826 --> 00:19:17,176
you'd know damn well
I was never out there.
312
00:19:19,393 --> 00:19:23,405
I would definitely not
be homosexual.
313
00:19:23,449 --> 00:19:25,655
Now I have nothing against
the things that they do
314
00:19:25,696 --> 00:19:28,944
and I openly admit
that I've engaged in sex with males.
315
00:19:28,983 --> 00:19:31,395
But I would be bisexual.
316
00:19:41,657 --> 00:19:43,463
What are you doing?
317
00:19:43,502 --> 00:19:45,948
What does it look like?
318
00:19:45,983 --> 00:19:47,789
Since when does
Jason lift weights?
319
00:19:47,827 --> 00:19:50,937
Since now, okay?
320
00:19:50,979 --> 00:19:53,585
Hey hey, go get your camera.
321
00:19:55,002 --> 00:19:57,038
I need you to take
some pictures for me.
322
00:19:57,082 --> 00:19:58,454
Of what?
323
00:19:58,491 --> 00:20:00,663
Come on, let's go.
324
00:20:02,346 --> 00:20:04,416
- This is ridiculous.
- Would you just hurry up, please,
325
00:20:04,459 --> 00:20:06,631
before Mom comes home?
326
00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:10,854
Why are you trying to look sexy?
327
00:20:10,895 --> 00:20:13,341
Because, buddy,
Gacy's a homo
328
00:20:13,377 --> 00:20:16,955
so I need to look like a homo,
do you get that?
329
00:20:16,999 --> 00:20:19,102
- Come on.
- This is so disgusting.
330
00:20:19,144 --> 00:20:22,859
Just take the picture.
331
00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:25,507
Oh, wait wait wait.
How are my abs? Are they good?
332
00:20:25,549 --> 00:20:27,618
I'm not gonna look at your abs.
333
00:20:27,662 --> 00:20:29,663
Alex, could you just
help me out, please?
334
00:20:29,707 --> 00:20:31,776
I need to make sure
these come out right, okay?
335
00:20:31,819 --> 00:20:34,529
- Your abs look fabulous.
- Thank you.
336
00:20:38,056 --> 00:20:40,593
Okay, one more, one more.
337
00:20:44,427 --> 00:20:46,302
How'd that look?
338
00:20:46,339 --> 00:20:48,649
Gay.
339
00:20:48,686 --> 00:20:50,994
Perfect.
340
00:21:01,696 --> 00:21:05,206
Open D-32.
341
00:21:06,391 --> 00:21:09,099
Hey, Picasso,
your mail's here.
342
00:21:09,139 --> 00:21:11,848
How's it going, buddy?
343
00:21:11,888 --> 00:21:13,889
Another clown, huh?
344
00:21:13,934 --> 00:21:16,507
Well, that's what
the people want, Stan,
345
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:18,115
that's what they get.
346
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:21,143
How else could I be able to afford
this lavish lifestyle in here?
347
00:21:21,177 --> 00:21:23,989
Speaking of lavish lifestyle,
your Cubans came in.
348
00:21:24,027 --> 00:21:25,765
Oh yeah? Great.
349
00:21:30,263 --> 00:21:32,744
Well, back to the grind, huh?
350
00:21:32,779 --> 00:21:34,780
Where are you off to
in such a hurry?
351
00:21:34,824 --> 00:21:38,173
I thought maybe we'd kick back
and smoke a couple of these babies.
352
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:40,920
You know the rules.
353
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,533
Hey, Stan?
354
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:46,888
Rules are meant to be broken.
355
00:21:46,929 --> 00:21:49,775
So why are you here?
356
00:21:49,812 --> 00:21:52,728
- Best to your family, pal.
- Close D-32.
357
00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,383
My relationship with
my parents is not the greatest.
358
00:22:30,418 --> 00:22:33,894
My mom is always on my ass
trying to control my life.
359
00:22:33,939 --> 00:22:37,013
My dad's normally more passive.
However, he has a temper
360
00:22:37,057 --> 00:22:40,979
and loses it once in a while
and can beat my ass pretty good.
361
00:22:41,014 --> 00:22:44,524
Nobody knows I'm thinking about being
a nude dancer to earn extra money,
362
00:22:44,569 --> 00:22:46,478
which is a bit tight
for me right now.
363
00:22:46,513 --> 00:22:49,188
I don't even know
why I'm telling you all this.
364
00:22:49,229 --> 00:22:52,305
I guess I just feel like
I can open up to you.
365
00:22:52,348 --> 00:22:55,560
Well, I really want us
to become friends.
366
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,481
So I look forward to hearing
back from you soon.
367
00:22:58,517 --> 00:23:01,730
Yours, Jason.
368
00:23:01,770 --> 00:23:04,012
One of the things
you should know about me
369
00:23:04,051 --> 00:23:06,828
is that I'm open-minded, outspoken,
370
00:23:06,867 --> 00:23:09,874
not very tactful, nonjudgmental,
371
00:23:09,918 --> 00:23:12,124
liberal, and I say what I mean.
372
00:23:12,165 --> 00:23:15,616
The only thing I ask is
don't assume anything of me.
373
00:23:15,651 --> 00:23:18,292
If you're not sure, then ask.
374
00:23:18,334 --> 00:23:21,146
Nothing offends me
and nothing is personal.
375
00:23:21,184 --> 00:23:23,791
No subject is off limits
as long as you're willing
376
00:23:23,833 --> 00:23:26,508
to be just as open
and honest as me.
377
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:30,230
I want you to feel free to
say what is on your mind, good or bad.
378
00:23:30,270 --> 00:23:34,454
Even if it's 20 pages long, I want
you to tell me everything about you.
379
00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:36,565
Don't worry about
what I might think.
380
00:23:36,608 --> 00:23:40,255
I am truly fascinated to know about
the ideas, thoughts and emotions
381
00:23:40,297 --> 00:23:42,938
that enter your mind.
382
00:23:42,979 --> 00:23:44,716
I am a very liberal person.
383
00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:47,534
And since you said you will not
share my letters with anyone,
384
00:23:47,573 --> 00:23:51,690
I feel I can confide in you,
as I hope you can also do with me.
385
00:23:51,731 --> 00:23:54,714
As far as sex goes,
I haven't done a lot.
386
00:23:54,748 --> 00:23:56,486
I don't have a girlfriend or anything,
387
00:23:56,526 --> 00:23:59,567
but I have an open mind
to try many different things.
388
00:23:59,611 --> 00:24:03,154
You want my opinion
on something, that's what you'll get.
389
00:24:03,199 --> 00:24:06,446
I want to know all your innermost
feelings and thoughts.
390
00:24:06,484 --> 00:24:08,290
What do you fantasize about?
391
00:24:08,329 --> 00:24:11,977
You say that you're thinking about
hustling for money, I say go for it.
392
00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:15,331
But you have to promise you'll
tell me all about it. Don't hold back.
393
00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:17,713
I want details... everything.
394
00:24:17,751 --> 00:24:20,998
You and I are gonna
be real close, buddy.
395
00:24:25,294 --> 00:24:27,005
Professor Harris?
396
00:24:27,005 --> 00:24:27,667
Professor Harris?
397
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:29,081
Yes, Mr. Moss?
398
00:24:29,118 --> 00:24:32,902
Hi. I wanted to share
my new angle with you.
399
00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:36,119
- What's that?
- Well, read it.
400
00:24:37,769 --> 00:24:39,575
A letter from Gacy?
401
00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:42,116
- You got him to write to you?
- Yeah.
402
00:24:47,694 --> 00:24:51,238
Okay.
What are you gonna do with it?
403
00:24:51,281 --> 00:24:56,038
I'm gonna get information out of him
that no one else has been able to...
404
00:24:56,077 --> 00:24:59,758
not the police, not the FBI,
not even his own wife.
405
00:25:01,006 --> 00:25:05,327
I'm gonna get inside this guy's head
and figure out what makes him tick.
406
00:25:05,365 --> 00:25:07,239
Well, that's quite a lofty goal, Jason,
407
00:25:07,276 --> 00:25:10,226
but I still don't know
what your paper's about.
408
00:25:10,261 --> 00:25:13,244
Well, my paper is about
409
00:25:13,278 --> 00:25:16,490
journeying into
the mind of a serial killer.
410
00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:19,639
Is that a strong enough
angle for you?
411
00:25:23,873 --> 00:25:27,121
Okay, Jason, you're going
to do what you want anyway,
412
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,663
so go ahead.
413
00:25:29,708 --> 00:25:32,783
But don't let your ego
get in the way of your instincts.
414
00:25:32,826 --> 00:25:35,810
This guy's talent is
fooling people into trusting him.
415
00:25:35,844 --> 00:25:39,663
Yeah, but that's also his weakness.
416
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,838
He's so convinced
he always has the upper hand,
417
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,059
he wouldn't even for an instant think
that one of his potential victims
418
00:25:45,099 --> 00:25:47,271
could be way ahead of him.
419
00:25:47,312 --> 00:25:49,483
I'm working on a strategy.
420
00:25:49,524 --> 00:25:51,696
I even found a guy
who survived an attack.
421
00:25:51,737 --> 00:25:53,075
You give me a couple of weeks
422
00:25:53,112 --> 00:25:55,250
and I'll have him eating
out of the palm of my hand.
423
00:26:47,868 --> 00:26:50,680
- Can I help you?
- Yeah, Mr. Phillips?
424
00:26:50,718 --> 00:26:54,537
Hi, I'm Jason Moss.
I'm a student at the university.
425
00:26:54,575 --> 00:26:57,582
- I'm doing a paper about John Gacy...
- Not interested.
426
00:26:57,626 --> 00:27:00,004
Whoa whoa, hey hey!
Just hear me out.
427
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,018
Get the fuck out of here.
428
00:27:07,618 --> 00:27:11,071
I'll just take up five minutes
of your time, I promise.
429
00:27:13,017 --> 00:27:15,121
Come on, you know him
a lot better than I do.
430
00:27:15,164 --> 00:27:17,232
I just want to figure out
how he operates.
431
00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:19,916
What part of "Get the fuck out of here"
don't you get?
432
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:24,039
Look, I wrote him, okay?
And he wrote me back.
433
00:27:24,081 --> 00:27:27,590
Look.
He's very interested in me.
434
00:27:27,635 --> 00:27:29,613
Yeah, of course he's interested.
435
00:27:29,647 --> 00:27:31,648
Listen listen, I didn't mean
to make you feel uncomfortable.
436
00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,499
I just... you know, I thought
you could help me figure out
437
00:27:33,538 --> 00:27:35,207
who I'm really dealing with here.
438
00:27:37,192 --> 00:27:39,398
I hope you never find out.
439
00:27:57,781 --> 00:27:59,587
Hello?
440
00:27:59,625 --> 00:28:01,694
I have a collect call
from inmate John Gacy
441
00:28:01,737 --> 00:28:04,880
from the Menard Correctional Center.
Will you accept the charges?
442
00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:10,344
Yes yes.
Uh, yes, Operator, I accept.
443
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:12,767
Go ahead, sir.
444
00:28:12,803 --> 00:28:14,803
What's up, buddy?
445
00:28:15,921 --> 00:28:17,658
Hey.
446
00:28:19,743 --> 00:28:21,080
Wait.
447
00:28:21,118 --> 00:28:23,998
How did you get my number?
It's not listed.
448
00:28:24,034 --> 00:28:28,047
I told you I got friends
in high places.
449
00:28:28,092 --> 00:28:30,904
What's the matter?
You don't like surprises, Jason?
450
00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:33,685
No.
451
00:28:33,725 --> 00:28:35,463
Uh...
452
00:28:35,502 --> 00:28:37,376
So what are you doing right now?
453
00:28:37,413 --> 00:28:40,329
I'm just sitting around watching TV.
454
00:28:41,907 --> 00:28:44,352
Well, I was...
I was sleeping.
455
00:28:44,387 --> 00:28:46,994
Oh, the time difference,
that's right.
456
00:28:47,037 --> 00:28:51,393
Sorry about that.
I don't really sleep too much.
457
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:54,573
No no, no problem.
458
00:28:54,615 --> 00:28:57,965
So what were you doing?
Out late banging your girlfriend?
459
00:28:58,002 --> 00:29:00,105
Uh, no.
460
00:29:00,148 --> 00:29:02,458
I told you, John,
I don't have a girlfriend.
461
00:29:02,495 --> 00:29:06,176
That's right. That's right.
462
00:29:14,197 --> 00:29:16,507
I can't believe I'm actually
talking to you right now.
463
00:29:16,545 --> 00:29:19,025
I know this must
be awkward for you,
464
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:22,008
but just try to relax, you know?
465
00:29:22,042 --> 00:29:25,621
Tell me about your day.
How's school?
466
00:29:25,664 --> 00:29:28,774
You still flunking out?
Don't feel bad.
467
00:29:28,816 --> 00:29:31,627
I was never much
of a student myself.
468
00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:34,078
My teachers were all assholes.
469
00:29:41,625 --> 00:29:44,906
You asked about a sense of power.
470
00:29:44,945 --> 00:29:48,695
Now I think everybody feels
that when having sex.
471
00:29:50,042 --> 00:29:53,826
The power to get somebody off
with your tongue is wild.
472
00:29:55,339 --> 00:29:58,151
I could even see doing that
to you and having fun.
473
00:30:04,393 --> 00:30:07,640
Holy shit, John,
it's almost 7:00.
474
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,199
Shit, my parents are gonna kill me
when they get this phone bill.
475
00:30:11,233 --> 00:30:14,915
Don't worry about that, buddy.
I'll send you money for the calls.
476
00:30:14,956 --> 00:30:17,059
Wow, that'd be great.
Thank you.
477
00:30:17,102 --> 00:30:19,777
I've got your back, bud. Hmm?
478
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,628
I know money's tight
for you now.
479
00:30:22,666 --> 00:30:25,079
Yeah, it is.
480
00:30:25,115 --> 00:30:28,934
You should think about going out
hustling like we were talking about.
481
00:30:28,971 --> 00:30:31,954
A pretty boy like you
would make a lot of money.
482
00:30:31,988 --> 00:30:33,726
Yeah, probably.
483
00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:36,543
Well, do it.
Talk is cheap, man.
484
00:30:36,582 --> 00:30:38,788
Why don't you go out tonight?
485
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:42,682
Okay.
Okay, I will.
486
00:30:42,718 --> 00:30:45,565
- Yeah?
- That's a good idea.
487
00:30:45,603 --> 00:30:49,752
I'll give you a call tomorrow at 4:00.
You can tell me all about it.
488
00:30:51,134 --> 00:30:53,707
- And Jason?
- Yeah?
489
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:57,672
I want to hear every last detail.
490
00:30:57,707 --> 00:30:59,878
Okay.
491
00:31:02,468 --> 00:31:04,778
Bye, John.
492
00:31:13,937 --> 00:31:15,103
Jason,
493
00:31:15,144 --> 00:31:19,464
you are a fucking genius.
494
00:31:32,612 --> 00:31:36,031
If you're hustling on the street,
location is crucial.
495
00:31:36,067 --> 00:31:39,050
Don't pick an area that's too busy.
And watch out for the cops,
496
00:31:39,084 --> 00:31:40,890
those fuckers.
497
00:31:40,928 --> 00:31:42,334
Wear something nice,
498
00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:46,326
like a pair of cut-off shorts
to show off your sweet ass.
499
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,401
And you want to walk in a way
to attract attention.
500
00:31:49,445 --> 00:31:52,486
Be sexy.
Try working your hips.
501
00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:55,537
And when you approach buyers,
remember to be flexible.
502
00:31:55,582 --> 00:31:58,428
They've got the money
so they're in control.
503
00:31:58,465 --> 00:32:02,215
And they're gonna want to do it all...
fuck you in the ass, the mouth;
504
00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:04,564
want you to fuck
and suck them... all of it.
505
00:32:04,602 --> 00:32:08,718
You're there to provide a service.
It's nothing personal.
506
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,137
But make sure you
get paid upfront.
507
00:32:11,174 --> 00:32:13,654
There's a lot of fucked-up people
out there in the world
508
00:32:13,689 --> 00:32:15,860
that are gonna want
to take advantage of you,
509
00:32:15,902 --> 00:32:19,182
so always watch your back.
510
00:32:26,899 --> 00:32:29,071
Excuse me?
511
00:32:30,286 --> 00:32:32,961
Well, look what
the cat dragged in.
512
00:32:33,001 --> 00:32:34,739
Meow.
513
00:32:36,723 --> 00:32:39,227
Um, I was just wondering if l...
514
00:32:39,272 --> 00:32:42,153
Oh, and he's shy too.
515
00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:45,037
What's your name, kitty cat?
516
00:32:45,072 --> 00:32:48,113
It's Ja... Jack.
517
00:32:48,157 --> 00:32:50,799
Cute.
518
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,252
So?
519
00:32:59,190 --> 00:33:01,064
So how do you want it?
520
00:33:01,101 --> 00:33:05,056
No, actually, I was wondering
if I could pay you
521
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:07,434
just to talk to me.
522
00:33:07,471 --> 00:33:09,381
No, see, I'm a student.
I'm trying to write a paper...
523
00:33:09,417 --> 00:33:11,086
- Oh, hell no.
- Wait wait wait, hey hey.
524
00:33:11,127 --> 00:33:12,693
- Wait wait.
- You a pig?
525
00:33:12,737 --> 00:33:16,315
No no, I'm not.
I just want to ask you some questions.
526
00:33:16,357 --> 00:33:18,667
Okay?
I have money. I can pay you.
527
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:20,648
Look.
528
00:33:31,849 --> 00:33:34,991
Come on, "Ja... Jack."
529
00:33:35,034 --> 00:33:37,812
I know the perfect place.
530
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,047
So is this... is this where you take
most of your customers?
531
00:34:30,729 --> 00:34:33,941
Hey, this is my special friend.
532
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:36,186
Get him a drink.
533
00:34:39,011 --> 00:34:41,994
So tell... tell me about
your approach.
534
00:34:42,028 --> 00:34:44,440
Like what kind of language
do you use?
535
00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:50,612
You know, the terms you use
for describing your various services.
536
00:35:00,906 --> 00:35:02,747
Drink up.
537
00:35:08,552 --> 00:35:09,752
Ahem.
538
00:35:09,793 --> 00:35:12,365
Like what do guys
usually ask for?
539
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:18,912
Most guys just want a blow job
or they just want to be the top man.
540
00:35:18,947 --> 00:35:21,152
Sorry, what? "The top man"?
541
00:35:21,193 --> 00:35:24,543
You really don't get out much,
do you, kid?
542
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:29,439
That's where they get
to do me from behind.
543
00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:31,509
That costs the most.
544
00:35:31,553 --> 00:35:34,435
I get it all though... everything from
guys paying to suck my dick
545
00:35:34,471 --> 00:35:36,974
to me fucking them up the ass.
546
00:35:41,781 --> 00:35:44,227
Anyone ever try to hurt you?
547
00:35:48,085 --> 00:35:51,731
I was sucking some guy off
when he put a knife to my throat.
548
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:56,392
I tried to finish him off and get out of there,
but he fucking cut me anyway.
549
00:35:59,183 --> 00:36:01,321
Was he trying to kill you?
550
00:36:01,363 --> 00:36:04,942
This is fucking boring me, all right?
551
00:36:04,984 --> 00:36:09,202
Finish your drink.
I want you to meet a friend of mine.
552
00:36:33,418 --> 00:36:35,991
I want you to meet a friend of mine.
553
00:36:36,034 --> 00:36:40,458
This is my special friend.
Trust me. Go ahead.
554
00:36:40,493 --> 00:36:42,597
Trust me.
555
00:37:16,271 --> 00:37:18,111
Jason.
556
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,611
Oh God.
557
00:37:59,593 --> 00:38:01,467
Hey.
558
00:38:01,505 --> 00:38:04,042
You okay?
559
00:38:04,087 --> 00:38:07,561
You didn't show up at class. You haven't
missed class since third grade.
560
00:38:07,606 --> 00:38:10,350
Yeah, I was just feeling a little tired.
561
00:38:16,224 --> 00:38:18,431
Hey, come here.
562
00:38:21,657 --> 00:38:24,068
Give me your hand.
563
00:38:29,838 --> 00:38:32,079
Come here, sit down.
564
00:38:43,651 --> 00:38:46,326
You know, Jason,
565
00:38:46,368 --> 00:38:48,975
I don't think
this Gacy thing is healthy.
566
00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:53,234
You know... oh God.
567
00:38:53,275 --> 00:38:56,557
Listen, if you're here to lecture me,
I'm just not in the mood for it.
568
00:38:56,595 --> 00:38:59,579
No, I don't want to lecture you.
I'm concerned about you, Jason.
569
00:38:59,613 --> 00:39:02,596
You haven't been the same
since you started writing to this guy.
570
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:06,140
I just don't have the strength
for this right now. Can we do it later?
571
00:39:06,185 --> 00:39:08,025
- No, you keep putting me off.
- Yeah.
572
00:39:08,063 --> 00:39:10,098
I want to know what's going on with you.
This isn't fair.
573
00:39:10,142 --> 00:39:13,926
I just... I'm feeling... I'm feeling like
I might throw up.
574
00:39:13,964 --> 00:39:16,102
I'm feeling really sick, so...
575
00:39:16,144 --> 00:39:20,763
maybe if... if you could just go?
576
00:39:20,805 --> 00:39:23,686
If you could just go,
we'll talk about it later, okay?
577
00:39:23,722 --> 00:39:25,998
- Fine.
- Thank you.
578
00:39:26,036 --> 00:39:28,573
- I hope you feel better.
- Okay, thanks.
579
00:39:31,367 --> 00:39:33,904
- Hello?
- You have a collect call
580
00:39:33,948 --> 00:39:37,161
from inmate John Gacy from
the Menard Correctional Center.
581
00:39:37,201 --> 00:39:39,007
Will you accept the charges?
582
00:39:39,045 --> 00:39:42,051
- Yes yes, I accept the call.
- Thank you.
583
00:39:42,096 --> 00:39:44,234
- Hey, pal.
- Hey.
584
00:39:44,275 --> 00:39:46,013
So how'd it go last night?
585
00:39:46,053 --> 00:39:49,335
Uh, not good, John.
586
00:39:49,373 --> 00:39:51,578
What happened?
587
00:39:51,619 --> 00:39:54,294
Well, I picked this guy up
on the street, right?
588
00:39:54,335 --> 00:39:57,078
And we went to the club,
we had a drink.
589
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,467
He offered me $200
to be his top man.
590
00:40:00,505 --> 00:40:02,540
But when I stood up,
591
00:40:02,584 --> 00:40:06,060
I realized that
that fucker had drugged me.
592
00:40:06,105 --> 00:40:09,112
Oh shit.
So what'd you do then?
593
00:40:09,156 --> 00:40:10,653
I ran.
594
00:40:11,972 --> 00:40:14,213
That fuck stole my wallet too.
595
00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:16,665
That pussy cock motherfucker.
596
00:40:16,701 --> 00:40:19,010
You want me to have him
taken care of?
597
00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:20,683
What do you mean?
598
00:40:20,724 --> 00:40:23,536
I know a lot of people out there, Jason.
They'll find this cocksucker
599
00:40:23,574 --> 00:40:25,610
and they'll cut his dick off.
600
00:40:25,654 --> 00:40:28,466
I'm very protective
of the people that I'm close to.
601
00:40:28,504 --> 00:40:31,385
No no, John,
don't worry about it.
602
00:40:31,421 --> 00:40:36,382
So why weren't you more careful
about who you picked up?
603
00:40:36,417 --> 00:40:38,990
I told you you've got
to learn to read people.
604
00:40:39,032 --> 00:40:42,381
You've got to figure them out
before they figure you out.
605
00:40:42,418 --> 00:40:45,997
You've always got to be
five steps ahead of everyone,
606
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,149
so that you're the one
who maintains the control.
607
00:40:50,868 --> 00:40:55,190
I watch people very closely when
they don't know I'm watching them.
608
00:40:55,227 --> 00:40:57,399
I try to figure out
where they're going,
609
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,624
what they're thinking,
what's really going on in their mind.
610
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:07,797
By observing their behavior,
you can learn what their weaknesses are,
611
00:41:07,835 --> 00:41:12,260
their vulnerabilities, their fears.
612
00:41:17,727 --> 00:41:22,654
And once you get into their minds,
you've got the power.
613
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:26,646
- To do what?
- Anything you want.
614
00:41:59,405 --> 00:42:02,687
Well, John, thank God
I've got you to talk to about these things.
615
00:42:02,725 --> 00:42:04,565
I'm learning from the best.
616
00:42:04,603 --> 00:42:06,637
We're a lot more alike than you think.
617
00:42:06,682 --> 00:42:11,439
I just taught you.
Now it's your turn to teach me.
618
00:42:13,522 --> 00:42:17,271
What I want to learn all about
is that little brother of yours.
619
00:42:17,311 --> 00:42:19,117
Hey!
620
00:42:19,155 --> 00:42:21,190
Hey.
621
00:42:21,235 --> 00:42:23,876
- What are you doing?
- Nothing nothing.
622
00:42:23,917 --> 00:42:26,728
- What are you doing?
- I just got out of class.
623
00:42:26,766 --> 00:42:29,544
Cool.
624
00:42:29,584 --> 00:42:33,163
Listen, I'm sorry about the other day.
I was just... I was feeling out of it.
625
00:42:33,206 --> 00:42:35,983
I'm much better now though.
626
00:42:36,021 --> 00:42:38,021
Good.
627
00:42:40,514 --> 00:42:42,927
What are you doing?
Do you want to go hang out?
628
00:42:42,962 --> 00:42:45,568
Yeah, I have to study,
but maybe you could come with me
629
00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:47,416
and we could get
a movie or something after?
630
00:42:47,454 --> 00:42:49,592
Yeah yeah, that sounds good.
631
00:42:49,634 --> 00:42:51,840
- Cool.
- Okay, come on.
632
00:43:07,708 --> 00:43:11,630
Hey.
So if opposite charges attract
633
00:43:11,665 --> 00:43:14,201
and two like charges
repel each other,
634
00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:18,762
what is the nature
of their mutual interactive force?
635
00:43:18,807 --> 00:43:22,156
What do I look like to you,
an encyclopedia?
636
00:43:22,194 --> 00:43:25,474
- Hmm?
- Jeez, somebody's cranky.
637
00:43:29,973 --> 00:43:31,744
Get out of here.
638
00:43:31,784 --> 00:43:35,762
Don't. Get out of here.
639
00:43:35,807 --> 00:43:37,647
We're in a library, okay?
640
00:43:44,826 --> 00:43:46,930
What the hell are these?
641
00:43:48,381 --> 00:43:51,228
Would you give me... give 'em!
They're for my paper.
642
00:43:51,264 --> 00:43:53,435
- For your paper?
- Yes, for my... for my paper.
643
00:43:53,477 --> 00:43:56,724
I posed like this when I first sent Gacy
a letter so he'd write me back.
644
00:43:56,763 --> 00:43:58,901
I can't take any more
of this Gacy shit, Jason.
645
00:43:58,943 --> 00:44:01,423
- It's gone too far.
- Would you keep your voice down, please?
646
00:44:01,459 --> 00:44:03,435
- What is the big deal?
- What is the big deal?
647
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:06,717
My boyfriend is posing seductively
for a serial killer in prison
648
00:44:06,756 --> 00:44:09,534
and you don't think it's a big deal?
People already think you're gay, Jason.
649
00:44:09,572 --> 00:44:11,516
I don't give a shit
what people think.
650
00:44:11,551 --> 00:44:13,551
- Are you gay?
- Am I gay?
651
00:44:13,595 --> 00:44:17,780
You know what, Alyssa?
You can go to hell.
652
00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:19,353
Fuck.
653
00:44:58,092 --> 00:45:00,800
- Hey.
- Hey.
654
00:45:03,825 --> 00:45:06,501
You wanted to borrow this, right?
655
00:45:06,541 --> 00:45:10,187
- Oh yeah. Thanks.
- Yeah, no problem.
656
00:45:17,406 --> 00:45:20,320
So l...
657
00:45:20,355 --> 00:45:22,893
Gacy was asking about you.
658
00:45:22,938 --> 00:45:24,379
- Gacy?
- Yeah.
659
00:45:24,414 --> 00:45:26,254
- Why me?
- I don't know. I don't know.
660
00:45:26,291 --> 00:45:28,795
I'm still trying to figure it out.
661
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,726
- But well, he wants to talk to you.
- I'm not talking to a killer.
662
00:45:32,763 --> 00:45:35,243
I know.
663
00:45:35,278 --> 00:45:37,885
Look, I think I can get around it
if he just gets a letter from you.
664
00:45:37,928 --> 00:45:40,670
I'm not writing him a letter either.
665
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:42,618
I'll write the letter.
666
00:45:42,653 --> 00:45:46,301
Okay? All you have to do is
just copy it in your handwriting.
667
00:45:46,343 --> 00:45:48,252
Why do I have to get
dragged into your shit?
668
00:45:48,288 --> 00:45:51,500
Come on, Alex man.
My plan is working here, okay?
669
00:45:51,539 --> 00:45:54,019
I'm getting him to open up and give me
a lot of really good information.
670
00:45:54,054 --> 00:45:56,261
I don't want to lose him now.
671
00:45:57,878 --> 00:46:01,662
Alex, please, man, just...
just this one time, okay?
672
00:46:07,266 --> 00:46:09,677
Come on.
673
00:46:09,713 --> 00:46:11,885
Please?
674
00:46:11,926 --> 00:46:15,779
Alex, just this once, okay?
675
00:46:15,817 --> 00:46:18,319
Fine.
676
00:46:18,364 --> 00:46:20,674
Yeah?
677
00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:22,849
Thank you.
678
00:46:31,307 --> 00:46:34,852
Dear John, I am
so fucking pissed off right now.
679
00:46:34,896 --> 00:46:38,245
My father beat my ass again last night.
I fucking hate him.
680
00:46:38,282 --> 00:46:41,701
I'm so sick of feeling this way.
I can't trust anyone.
681
00:46:41,736 --> 00:46:43,770
I'm not sure I even want
to live anymore.
682
00:46:43,814 --> 00:46:46,421
What would you do
if someone beat your ass?
683
00:46:46,463 --> 00:46:50,316
I've thought many times
about killing myself,
684
00:46:50,353 --> 00:46:54,172
but the Bible preaches against
taking your own life.
685
00:46:54,209 --> 00:46:58,668
Then again,
sometimes it's the right thing to do.
686
00:46:58,702 --> 00:47:02,017
Jason, your life will hit
rock bottom some day.
687
00:47:02,056 --> 00:47:05,737
And when the time is right, you'll know
what to do and how to do it.
688
00:47:05,777 --> 00:47:08,052
But don't worry, Jason.
689
00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:12,482
I'm here for you.
I'm your friend,
690
00:47:12,517 --> 00:47:14,963
your only friend right now.
691
00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:18,611
�� Fall on your knees ��
692
00:47:18,653 --> 00:47:22,438
�� O, hear the ��
693
00:47:22,476 --> 00:47:26,522
�� Angels' voices ��
694
00:47:26,567 --> 00:47:30,648
�� O night ��
695
00:47:30,691 --> 00:47:33,573
�� Divine... ��
696
00:48:20,015 --> 00:48:22,290
It's kind of tough around here.
697
00:48:22,328 --> 00:48:25,643
A guy can't even get off in peace.
698
00:48:25,681 --> 00:48:29,031
I got 24-hour whack-off patrol
up my ass.
699
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:33,620
So listen, John...
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