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Is there anything unusual about this laundry?

Are strange things happening here in your hotel?

Yes, very strange.

What?

I see only red clotheses.

And I don't know why that's happening.

What do you think?

I think that's Bhagwan.

That's people from Bhagwan and clothes from Bhagwan.

Almost immediately life changed.

I had been very far off the planet.

I just knew I needed to take time to think things through.

Kylie, my daughter, and I sat feeling very relieved and happy

to have a warm place and such a warm welcome in Germany.

Everybody was sitting around in a happy excited kind of mood.

And then the telephone rang in another room,

and somebody went out and said that it was the ranch.

People began to come back into the room,

and they were different.

They were completely different.

We had just left, and Bhagwan was...

sending the dogs after us.

And it was clear that he was out to destroy Sheela.

Whether you loved Sheela or hated her,

she did her job really well and she did it for him.

I felt that he had betrayed her royally.

Are you Ma Anand? Or are you Sheela?

- Or are just playing Mrs. Silversmith? - I am Ma Anand Sheela.

Will you be putting on a red robe again?

Not right now.

It's a question of my safety, my physical safety.

Bhagwan wanted me to be debilitated.

He was so angry, but I confronted Bhagwan.

No one in his history has confronted him...

but I confronted him.

Here now Sheela and the Bhagwan,

as they called it "The Empress Strikes Back."

Would you like to have a look at what she has to say to you?

Bhagwan, it's time that you let people know who you are,

the way I have come to know you,

which is that, on one hand, you are a genius and a beautiful man,

and on the other hand, you really exploit people

by using their human frailty and emotions.

She's drugged.

She's on hard drugs.

You said also that the Bhagwan

was really not the slightest bit interested in enlightenment.

So it was a con.

Absolutely.

You, as the queen, presided over an empire built on a gigantic con.

Yes, I did preside over it.

I have never made love to her, that much is certain.

Perhaps that is the jealousy.

She always wanted...

but I have made it a point never make love to a secretary.

I found Bhagwan... broken.

Bhagwan pained, just as I pained in leaving him.

Love affair never ends.

It can turn into a hate affair.

She did not prove to be a woman.

She proved to be a perfect bitch.

He says you tried to poison his doctor, his dentist, his caretaker,

that one of your assistants jabbed his doctor--

Jabbed his doctor in the butt with a poisoned needle.

That's very nice.

Did she do a good job?

The doctor apparently is still alive.

Then obviously she didn't do a good job.

She is just going more and more insane before she goes to imprisonment.

You just wait.

Either she will kill herself...

out of the very burden of all the crimes that she has done...

or she will have to suffer her whole life in imprisonment.

I knew too much.

My family... is fearful of it even today...

what Bhagwan's Sannyasins can to do to me.

The things I know...

the wealth of information I have...

inside information I have...

itself puts me in danger.

But who?

Do you think Bhagwan could hire killers to seek you out and have you murdered?

Again, I would say it's a possibility.

We were a group of 21 people,

and we were in danger.

So, that really brought us together.

I certainly was following Sheela's lead.

I became absolutely devoted to Sheela.

And she became my substitute master.

Today I understand these words were...

making my back stronger.

Now to protect my people,

I have to be even more fierceful,

even more strong.

No compromise.

Are you frightened?

No. I'm a courageous woman.

To know myself was my strength.

And we have to pull our strength together and go forward.

Hey!

It was like a bomb had dropped in that hall

when he started talking about what he had just found out.

It was a bomb for everybody.

It was a bomb for the press.

It was a bomb for the Sannyasins.

It was a bomb for Bhagwan.

I mean, you know, he was-- He was in shock himself.

He looked in shock.

But there was a sense of "We don't know who's staying.

We don't know who's going.

We don't know what's going to happen with the movement.

We don't even know if he's staying or going."

It was a-- It was a very precarious time.

The shakeup at Rajneeshpuram this week has touched nearly everyone.

Although this is called a city,

its leaders are much more than politicians.

Besides a change in command, something is different at the ranch.

Rajneeshees are trying to figure out what.

It's-- It's hard to explain.

In one way nothing is different and in another way everything is different.

When you think that you know things, you feel safe, yeah?

And I thought that I knew things.

And now in this moment, I know that I don't know them.

My mind is in shock and my heart is hurting.

And that's it. I'm just--

More I cannot say.

Do you plan to stay here?

Oh, as long as I can, yeah. Definitely.

I've been just going through a lot of different feelings.

And on the one hand, sometimes I just feel so much pain inside...

because these people I really trusted

and they turned out to be totally the opposite of what I thought they were.

Shocked, you know?

And even hurt.

It was like, "Oh no, you know? What?"

My honest response when I heard

was just the depth of sorrow.

I was so sad.

I was just-- Just even to think of it now is like,

"What happened to these people

that they could go so wrong and be around him?"

That was beyond wild for me.

Um... And I also-- I really felt for them.

I thought they had gone crazy. Truly.

As the days passed and Bhagwan started telling us

more and more of the actualities of what was going on in this community

that we didn't know about, it began to be a feeling of burden

and of depression and sadness and anger

and feelings of betrayal.

This community is under attack... from a lot of directions.

People who are here and who we trusted have fucked us.

I feel like we have a basic, basic choice.

And that is... do we want to be here together or do we not?

The reaction in the commune overall was the same reaction I had: relief.

This...

Come on.

This power-mad, megalomaniac

who had been literally hammering on everybody for a long time was gone.

I don't know. It's like the clouds have suddenly lifted.

In some ways, it was clouds that we weren't even aware of.

And... very shortly after Sheela left,

Hasya was appointed Osho's new personal secretary.

Hasya has been chosen by the board of trustees

to be the president of the Rajneesh Foundation International.

She has also been chosen by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh

to be his personal secretary.

Sheela's replacement is a wealthy movie producer named Hasya.

She put together the film Godfather,

is now in charge of bringing peace to the ranch.

And Hasya was really, during those early days,

trying to deal with the press

in a way to defuse the situation and what was going on.

What different direction are things going to take

from the perspective of Oregonians with Hasya?

Well, I think it depends how they receive me...

how they begin to see us.

I certainly have no intentions of harming them.

And our arms are stretched out to them.

Palms up.

So after Sheela left, I guess half of the city council was gone you know?

The mayor was gone.

Today who is the mayor of Rajneeshpuram?

Today that will be announced.

He'll be announced? He'll be appointed?

Mm-hmm.

And somebody came to me and said

that... Osho has suggested that you run for mayor.

And I thought, "Oh good. That's all I need, is some more work."

But apparently he had.

And not too surprisingly... I became mayor.

I would like to introduce the only candidate:

Swami Prem Niren.

Those were the new people I was working with.

And we were all trying to pull it together and save the community.

So, there was hope.

This commune is still here.

And everyone else is still here.

And... we're much freer than we were before.

But you'll stay?

Of course I'm going to stay.

Yeah, there's no other place.

Rajneesh broke his silence.

This was the first of two huge mistakes that he made.

He broke his silence and announced to the world that shocked-- He was shocked.

"Oh my God, I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Shocked. I just heard this. I'm going to share this with you."

It was Bhagwan just turning on Sheela in a very, very public way.

What's really going on here?

These folks aren't out there growing carrots.

Some top officials of the commune have fled the country

after their leader, the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh,

accused them of a variety crimes.

Don Oliver reports tonight that this supposedly perfect society

may have been far from it.

Now he's talking again,

and what he's saying has left his disciples speechless.

Tales of attempted murder, of spying and sabotage,

and betrayal by his closest aides at Rajneeshpuram.

Sheela wanted one of our pilots to take the bombs

and crash the plane against the Wasco County office.

She has stolen 43 million dollars out of that money.

One of the offices of Wasco County was burned.

They should put Interpol after them.

They should be brought back in chains.

That invited the FBI onto the ranch for the first time

to investigate crimes that were within the jurisdiction of the FBI.

When Bhagwan made these allegations,

that gave us the key to the door.

As I drove into town, the first thing I saw

was a couple engaged in sex on a bridge at the far west end of the community

and that more or less set the stage for a very bizarre two months

that I spent in this commune conducting a federal investigation.

Uh...

Sex, uh, between commune members was open and frequent

and, uh, all types of things were condoned

that you wouldn't find out in other parts of the state of Oregon.

For the first time since the commune began four years ago,

outside law officers will be welcomed to investigate the charges.

They have officially asked for our help.

The FBI, Alcohol Tobacco Firearms,

the state police, local law enforcement

and our office were all involved.

Federal, state, and county investigators set up shop at Rajneeshpuram

looking for evidence to corroborate the guru's charges.

We cooperated, you know?

They came in and we gave them access to documents, access to people.

My almost sole focus has been to work with the law enforcement agencies,

to work with the members of this community

in order to cooperate in every way possible

with those law enforcement agencies.

We turned over 10,000 tapes

that were discovered in a secret room underneath Sheela's house.

Now, as the investigation into charges

against Sheela and other top Rajneeshees continues,

there's news of a bunker of sorts in the house where Sheela used to live.

At Sheela's luxurious former home,

there was a second day of show and tell.

Beneath a swimming pool and dirt lot that adjoins the house

lies much more than meets the eye.

A hidden lever opens a secret door

just off the hallway leading to Sheela's former bedroom.

Sheela had her own entrance to the tunnel through a secret door in her bathroom.

Those who helped build it were apparently told it was a safe place for Bhagwan.

A button on this air conditioner triggers another secret door

leading down a steep stairway to a cavernous room

complete with bathroom and closets.

A hallway then leads to a room containing a large hot tub.

In one corner, still another secret door, this one leading to a tunnel.

The sinister thing was that something was happening undercover.

In a community such as ours, that's totally inconceivable to us.

It is taking us by surprise.

Anyone who visited Rajneeshpuram was probably recorded.

Every activity that they engaged in was recorded.

It was a very sophisticated system in every building in the town.

Rajneesh officials have already uncovered dozens of spy devices.

They were apparently used to record, to photograph, and sometimes to injure.

This was the largest wiretapping incident in the history of any nation.

The FBI has so many tapes of recorded conversations

that it would take one person working eight hours a day

more than two years to listen to them all.

The tapes may contain information about other alleged crimes at the ranch.

We were focused on assaults, batteries, attempted murders

and everything else was sort of paled in comparison.

Those with the most serious crimes

and they called for very serious sanctions in our view.

Before Sheela had left Bhagwan and Rajneeshpuram...

I was one day told to come down to the restaurant

and Sheela said, "I have a job for you.

We need some guns that can't be traced

and you and Rita are to go and get them."

And we took a plane... to Texas.

We drove around different gun shops and bought guns.

And each time we came out of a shop with another gun,

we drove off to the next one.

I ripped up the receipt for the gun, threw the bits out the window,

and we laughed and sang because we were so happy.

I took the guns with me in a bag,

and I took the Greyhound bus back to Portland.

I was met at the bus station by a man who had told us what kind of guns to buy.

He took the rather heavy bag out of my hand,

and I never saw them again.

If there is a cache of weapons dumped

at this lake at Rajneeshpuram, U.S. Navy divers say they'll find it.

The weapons were allegedly bought

by a hit squad planning to assassinate state officials

like State Attorney General Dave Frohnmayer.

According to an informant who claims to have direct links,

the weapons were dumped here in Lake Patanjali

when the assassination plot fell through.

To aid in the search, divers are using a highly sensitive metal detector

capable of finding an item as small as a hair pin.

U.S. Assistant Attorney Robert Weaver told CBS News that a weapon was found

that is believed to have been linked

to an assassination plot against U.S. Attorney Charles Turner.

They had been surveilling Dave Frohnmayer and Charlie Turner's homes

and their families for months,

plotting assassinations.

Dave Frohnmayer's young daughter Katie came home from school one day

to find bloody animal entrails

and-- And some, uh, newspaper articles on their driveway.

The Rajneeshees came this close to murdering a presidential appointee,

to executing Charles Turner.

They came this close to murdering him.

If you murdered the United States attorney or the attorney general of Oregon,

that's an assassination. That's a very high-profile crime.

According to testimony recounted in this affidavit,

all the drugs and potential poisons came through the Rajneesh Medical Corporation.

The corporation secretary treasurer, Ma Anand Puja,

had total control of the organization.

According to witnesses, she ordered all the drugs,

often dispensed them, and even poured the beer for the street people

when they arrived at the ranch last fall.

To my mind, one of the creepiest characters of the whole operation

was Ma Anand Puja, who was trained as a nurse.

This came out admitted, you know, that that Puta--

Was that her name?

Puja, yeah.

Yeah, puta is something in Spanish that we don't want to say, huh?

Puja used poisoning as a internal tool to regulate.

You know, somebody giving you a bad time, they get really sick.

Apparently, police were looking for evidence at the medical clinic

that might corroborate Bhagwan's allegation

that Sheela and friends tried to poison Bhagwan's doctor.

I felt this sort of slight, slight pain, slight sort of funny sensation

and realized all in one terrible flash what was happening.

You know, Shanti Bhadra, the pain in my left buttock,

the whole poisoning, the whole thing suddenly clarified,

"My God, these people."

This is unbelievable, but it's definitely happening, you know?

The FBI asked me if I had any sense that I might I have been poisoned.

One day, I was offered a cup of coffee.

I drank the coffee and then I immediately ran to the bathroom and I was just woozy.

And there's a knock on the door, and the doctor says,

"There's an ambulance coming! Are you okay? Unlock the door!"

And then the next thing I know,

I'm on a stretcher to Pythagoras Medical Center,

and I'm just out of it.

And I just open my eyes and closed my eyes.

And then I woke up several days later.

And I start to remember, "Oh, yeah, Rajneesh,

he stopped his Rolls Royce in front of me at a celebration.

And there were so many roses on the Rolls Royce."

And I said, "You want me to take those roses?"

So I took a rose.

He rolled down the window.

I didn't even know he knew my name,

and he said, "No, Sunny, you have to take all of those roses."

In retrospect, it's like, "Oh, my God, she was jealous.

Oh, my God, this is just female, downright, unconscious behavior."

Anybody that Osho gave juice to, Sheela was going to fuck over.

And anybody that Osho gave juice to was going to be attacked by Sheela.

I think a lot of us felt this, but we were afraid to say anything about it,

for fear of repercussion and what might happen.

You felt what?

A lot of fear. I mean, it was like it was never spoken,

but it was a lot of fear that Sheela or whoever at the top

might do something, might ask you to leave.

I think people were more willing to--

Particularly after the Bhagwan gave them permission to do it,

were more willing to tell tales about Sheela

than-- Than we ever found with respect to the Bhagwan.

Four days of news conferences and lectures,

Rajneesh has alleged that Sheela and friends

were behind the salmonella food poisoning at The Dalles last fall.

The state health division now says

salmonella found in food samples taken from the restaurants

was genetically identical to bacteria found at the ranch

during an investigation there.

They had a laboratory where they cultured salmonella.

Then they took the salmonella culture

and they brushed it on foods in salad bars and restaurants in The Dalles.

They had long sleeve jackets on

and they had some sort of system rigged up in their sleeve.

They could just move their hand over the salad bar.

Walked along and sprinkled it and people got sick.

They were setting the stage for a big outbreak.

The Rajneeshees at that time were trying to influence the election.

The matter is very serious for the Rajneeshees.

The political makeup of the Wasco County court

could well determine the future of the city,

and that means millions of dollars' worth of investments down there.

And so it would make political sense for the Rajneeshees

to want to exert as much control over Wasco County politics as possible.

The idea, it was a dry run and an attempt to see if, on election day,

they could make enough people sick

that they would have sufficient votes to control the county.

The salad bars, uh, weren't their first attempt.

There was a threat to poison the city's water supply.

We had open reservoirs that fed a good portion of the community.

Most of the water for The Dalles comes off of Mount Hood drainage.

And we have a big dam... and it's open.

Someone had read somewhere

that beavers were a particularly bad source of bacteria,

so they decided that they would introduce beavers

to the water system for The Dalles.

They went out with beavers,

only to discover that there was just a small gap

between the solid lid and the wall that was covered with wire mesh.

So they couldn't get the beavers into the water supply.

So they went back, and they killed the beavers.

And they put them in blenders, and they blended the beavers...

and then poured the blended beavers into the water supply.

I have no idea whether that's a true story,

but it's a story that was told to me by someone who was there.

These people are crazy.

This made me a lot more suspicious

of what goes on and what people are capable of doing.

Weaver stood before an empty House

to say he was right all along about the Rajneeshees.

When it finally came out that I was right and had won,

I was exhilarated.

I was a hero.

I'd go speak to the Rotary, and I'd get standing ovations from Republicans.

Three, two, one.

Here's a point to remember: all of the accusations of wrongdoing

have come from either Bhagwan or others who have remained in the fold.

This raises the possibility

the enlightened master who claims to have been duped by his subordinates

may have to show that his own hands are clean in a court of law.

It's a very tumultuous time.

The leaving of Sheela and the willingness of Bhagwan

to expose all of the illegal activities very quickly,

in my mind's eye, is just fueling the efforts

by the INS and various government agencies to get Bhagwan out of the country...

and to cause the breakdown of the community.

The honeymoon didn't last for long.

Years of mistrust on both sides couldn't be erased overnight,

and it became clear that some people still at the ranch

might be vulnerable to prosecution.

So the Rajneeshees, never known for tossing self-interest aside,

started looking out for number one.

I don't think there was ever a time in the investigation

that I would describe Rajneesh authorities as being cooperative.

It was a contentious relationship at all times.

They weren't just investigating his crimes.

They were trying to amass evidence where they could prosecute people on the ranch,

not just for Sheela's crimes,

but support their lawsuits and their cases.

So at that point, everybody that talked to them starting having to have a lawyer.

The cooperation became more limited

when it was clear that they were out to use it to get us.

Being invited down to see what they wanted us to see

did not cause us to just accept at face value what they were telling us.

And so, we didn't just assume that what they were giving us was the full story.

We just weren't ready to give the Bhagwan a complete pass.

Now, to be clear...

Osho knew nothing about the criminal stuff that was going on.

When it was something about his teaching or his work, then he was boom.

But when it was something involving something outside of that...

he always really supported the people he put in charge.

His agenda, as I understood him,

was simply to raise the consciousness of humanity.

That was his goal. That was his effort.

That was his only reason for speaking.

For Osho, all of this was a game.

All of this was a game of consciousness to transform consciousness.

There was a guy named Gurdjieff...

who was a famous mystic...

who would create what he called devices.

And he put people in difficult psychological or physical situations.

And by facing these situations,

people would be forced into themselves and learn about themselves.

In some ways, the whole thing for Osho was a big Gurdjieffian device.

It was a device for the United States of America,

for them to see who they were.

It was a device for Sheela to see who she was.

It was a device for all of us in the community

to see what we would do under pressure.

America is certainly the very hope...

for the whole world.

But... not the way it is now.

We have to deprogram America...

from dirty politics...

from fanatic religions...

from all kinds of hypocrisy.

It is not a coincidence...

that suddenly we have landed here.

We have to do...

something really great...

for humanity's sake.

Gurdjieff was right.

Bravo, America.

The guru said last night the Rajneesh religion was started

without his permission by his former secretary Ma Anand Sheela.

I'm against all religions.

I am not your leader.

You are not my followers.

I'm destroying everything...

so history never repeats again.

Bhagwan says his disciples can now wear any color they want.

They can also shed their malas, a long standing symbol of devotion.

He wants none of the trappings of organized religion.

If I can get a turquoise sweater, I would be the happiest woman in the world.

But the boutique's sold out so...

I think it's really beautiful 'cause it means

that there's no separation between Sannyasins and the rest of the world.

He wanted people to be free.

He wanted people to get free of that conditioning,

to become free of the that conditioning, open to their own energy,

open to their own understanding, open to their own learnings.

For the first time...

in the whole history of mankind...

a religion... has died.

Okay, hello everybody!

This was Sheela's desire to be high priestess.

And Sheela's desire for popedom.

And today we're celebrating the fact that Rajneeshism is dead.

We got an idea of just how angry Bhagwan may be.

He ordered the books with the rites and prayers of Rajneeshism burned.

At the same time, he had them burn Sheela's robes.

I think it is traditional...

to burn someone that has been excommunicated.

It's an old tradition...

same as burning witches.

Sheela says she never suggested

establishing a religion in the first place.

All this was his idea, not yours?

I wouldn't think of such things.

- Bhagwan thought of them? - Uh-huh.

And then having thought of them, now he blames them on you

and gets rid of them?

Right, that's why he needs an exclusive secretary to blame it on.

Bhagwan said to burn my robes and burn Book of Rajneeshism.

They are not burning me.

They are burning Bhagwan and themselves.

It doesn't reflect on me.

It reflects on these people.

It shows how deep his sorrow and anger was.

He was ready to burn me.

Sheela and the group of us were in a holiday apartment in the Black Forest.

There was an absolute media frenzy.

I mean, Sheela was known all over the world.

Ma Anand Sheela.

And with Bhagwan making new accusations every day,

the press always had something to write about.

This was really hot copy

and they were writing about it all over the world.

Money was very much needed by the group.

We had to eat and we had to have accommodation.

We had to have clothing to wear.

These are half-trousers. We don't need half trousers.

We need something--

Person like me...

who did management of people...

in Rajneeshpuram I could do anything.

I can move mountains. I can build houses.

But in real world...

I didn't know how to do it.

We were 25 people.

We had rented out this whole pension...

and money was needed.

We had not informed any newspapers or anybody where we were.

Sheela was contacted by Stern magazine,

which is a very popular magazine in Germany.

And Stern magazine paid a large sum of money for exclusive story.

We were not to speak to the press for any reason.

The reporters from Stern magazine arranged for the whole group around Sheela

to be smuggled out in covered horse and buggy

to be taken by bus

and then by boat to an island in the North Sea.

We were housed in a very nice hotel until the Stern story came out.

The story broke.

Sheela posed naked for them on the bed.

And I am also in that picture as one of her "bodyguards."

Stern magazine sold so many copies.

You have no idea.

And when it was all but done...

we looked out of the window one day

to see a swarm of reporters outside the hotel.

Moments of panic.

They found out where Sheela was.

Her whereabouts in Europe had been unknown until recently.

However, she has been located

and is staying on the island of Juist off the coast of Germany.

She's quoted in Stern magazine as saying Rajneesh's charges are nonsense.

She added that the reason she left the ranch

was that she no longer wanted to take bread out of people's mouths

to buy him Rolls Royces.

I wonder if any agency, federal or locally, is trying to extradite Sheela?

I have talked with the U.S. Justice Department.

They say nothing currently has been filed in terms of an extradition

and they won't really comment much beyond that.

I recall sitting in my office one day,

and the phone rang and I answered it

and it was the FBI.

They said, "You need to go to the nearest phone booth

and call me back at this number."

And at first I thought-- You know, I was paranoid.

Is this some-- Is this, you know, another trick of the Rajneesh?

What is this about?

It was like, you know, a 007 movie or something.

So I got in the car, drove to the nearest phone booth,

dialed the number, talked to the guy.

He told me about the investigation, and they were preparing search warrants.

And they wanted me to bring down whatever maps I had of the ranch,

whatever physical layout,

descriptions I could bring to help them identify particular buildings.

Took all of that to Madras and met with the FBI there and the state police.

Took some time to go over these drawings and find out which buildings were which

and what we thought they were being used for,

and it was very shortly after that that, uh, the raid happened.

Dozens of federal and state police

swept through Rajneeshpuram this afternoon with search warrants.

Shortly after 2:00 p.m., police made their move.

They orchestrated very carefully a raid into the ranch.

They drove down that one road in there

in a caravan of federal and state officials

and then they just fanned out.

Some fifty FBI agents, state and local police

swarmed through the ranch.

The Rajneesh medical clinic was among seven buildings

where search warrants were served.

Crimes of conspiracy, attempted murder,

assault in the first degree, third and fourth degree...

They were able to get a search warrant...

and that really opened the door to Bhagwan.

It was like a feeding frenzy.

It's like, "Now we've got him!" You know?

Get the light out of my face please.

You're impeding me, okay?

Please give me a little bit of room. Thank you.

And the state officials

were climbing in through windows and kicking down doors,

grabbing all of their documentation to get what hadn't been given to them already.

We are being treated as if we are the criminals.

We are the ones who have called in the authorities

to come in and investigate.

The interest is not in finding the true criminals,

but to harass this community and possibly destroy it.

There has not been a single U.S. Attorney

or a single attorney from the Attorney General's Office here

to assist them in the direction of their investigation.

So what we have is 50 guys running around playing cops and robbers,

being sent warrants from some distant place,

not really knowing what they're looking for.

I don't know if you can call fishing with a grenade a fishing expedition.

The question is what is this investigation about?

They knew that if they could get Osho, that the community would disband.

So they were focusing on Osho... always.

An investigation, which Rajneeshpuram's mayor says

is a smokescreen for federal efforts to deport Rajneesh and his followers.

They had no evidence at all

that he had participated in Sheela's criminal activity.

They had no evidence.

Are they trying to build a case to deport the Bhagwan?

Of course.

If they want us to leave this place,

they will have to destroy it,

and with it, they will have to destroy their mask of democracy...

respect of individuality...

constitution for freedom of expression.

All that will go down the drain with Rajneeshpuram.

It sounds as though a showdown, if you will, at this point,

is inevitable between you and the criminal investigators here.

You are telling your followers not to speak to anybody

unless they speak with you first. Is that correct?

I'm simply saying that those people

are trying a conspiracy to destroy the commune.

And I will not allow anybody to destroy the commune.

And to my Sannyasins, I would like to say,

"Now no cooperation.

Nobody goes to report anything.

Our cooperation is finished.

Now they can go to hell."

Despite the statement by the Rajneesh,

Sannyasins are continuing to be interviewed

by the FBI, the Oregon State Police, and Wasco County authorities

here at this farmhouse on the commune.

We wanted some disaffected Sannyasin to be in a position

where they could and would testify against the Bhagwan.

Prosecutors are eager to make a deal to get these witnesses in-house.

So, that greatly accelerates an investigation

and also provides you credible information.

If you have someone who has firsthand knowledge,

"I was in the room when the decision was made to poison the salad bars,"

then that makes you a very credible witness.

None. Almost none were-- Were willing to talk to us.

They might have hated Sheela and they might have hated

some of the people in that control group that Sheela commanded,

but they were still very loyal and dedicated to Bhagwan.

You know, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

What was it like being back in the hall today?

It's good to be here. It's good to be here.

Where have you been?

I've been-- I've been around.

I haven't been in Zurich

like I read when I saw the newspapers after I left, the day after.

Bhagwan had said earlier that you'd been in Los Angeles hiding out,

making a deal with the prosecutors.

I have no-- I mean...

No.

Do you have knowledge of any of the crimes that Sheela--

I understand that it says in the affidavit--

I know that he said that you were negotiating with authorities

trying to get immunity.

You have not talked to authorities?

See, there's nothing I can say.

There's nothing I can say about any of this.

K.D., who was the mayor of Rajneeshpuram...

Fairly crafty guy who enjoyed the power that Sheela gave him

of being the front man for this entity.

K.D. was in on meeting after meeting after meeting,

participated in some of these things himself.

Sheela brought him into her inner circle...

and she seduced him.

Not in a physical way, but she seduced him with power.

She was incredibly abusive to him at times.

Just hitting on him, you know? Calling him a wimp.

Really hitting on him.

And he couldn't stand up to it.

So after she left, he realized he could go to jail.

And I told him we would get him his own lawyer, you know? We'd pay for it.

But he went to the federal government to make a deal.

Attorney General Dave Frohnmayer said today

the agreement represents a major break in that criminal investigation.

Mr. Knapp has given insight at the highest inner circles

into the pattern of lawbreaking, which is the subject of an ongoing investigation.

He has also agreed to turn state's evidence

and has given, obviously, spectacular information

and insights into the highest levels of a conspiracy of lawbreaking.

That was a key turning point.

There were many things that I heard from K.D.

that were even more damning

to the Rajneeshees than I had expected.

When people are under pressure, who they are deep within comes out.

I mean, it happens in war, happens in all sorts of situations.

Happens in politics.

When people are under pressure...

most people respond out of fear

and then act to protect themselves.

Okay, first of all, your general reaction

to the former mayor of this town

pleading guilty to the charges that he pleaded guilty to

and to the deal that he copped with the state?

Well, he must have done something.

Uh... He, as I understand it,

that he pled guilty to a number of criminal charges

in order to avoid prosecution and more serious criminal charges.

And, um...

I mean, that's the fact of it.

How does this affect your own estimation of K.D.?

I mean, you've known him for a long time too.

That's personal between me and K.D.

I think K.D. was a coward.

I don't have so low opinion of any human being.

I find it disgusting.

But he would sell anybody.

Uh...

He would sell himself. He did.

He sold himself.

The Attorney General also revealed

that Krishna Deva will be given protection under the Federal Witness Protection Act

because of fears for his safety.

Indictments have already been issued

on charges ranging from attempted murder to immigration fraud.

We were going to hold accountable anybody who was involved in creating

and directing this very large conspiracy to violate U.S. laws.

So we got arrest warrants for every single one of them.

The secret indictment charging the Bhagwan

and seven of his followers

with 35 counts of conspiracy to defraud the United States

and making false statements regarding harboring aliens.

We were faced with a simultaneous arrest of Bhagwan,

who was our number one target of the case,

other people on the ranch, Sheela,

and other targets who were now in Germany.

We needed to do this bang-bang, back-to-back.

Sheela was residing within just 50 miles or so of the Swiss border.

And once she crossed the border, she would be un-extraditable.

It became incumbent upon us to get Bhagwan and Sheela immediately.

After we got this indictment,

my case agent, Joe Greene, was told by his headquarters in Washington D.C.

that he was forbidden from executing that warrant.

In most cases, that's what they've been waiting for,

you know, the money shot where they put the guy in handcuffs.

For us to come in at the last minute and ask the Marshal Service to go out

and to execute these arrests on a compound that now is heavily armed...

Yeah, they're going to take their time to decide that

and they're going to have a plan to do so that would anticipate violence.

The location of Rajneeshpuram in a box canyon

made it particularly troubling

because any kind of legal process,

uh, would involve... logistical nightmares

in terms of being able to provide

for the safety of the people that were doing that.

And there was great concern that people would become emboldened

and take matters into their own hands.

Things were getting kind of heated up.

We had a camp set up in a cave with food,

with bedding, and with rifle and ammunition.

If we had to leave in a hurry,

we kept our vehicles with the keys in them, pointed outward.

And the state police were afraid to go down there

because they were out-powered. And they knew it.

They had much more firepower than we did.

Federal officials warned of more than 17,000 rounds of ammunition,

of the purchase of 20 semi-automatic Uzi rifles,

and a report of 96 Russian-made AK-47 rifles,

along with one million rounds of AK-47 ammunition.

That's more automatic weapons than all of the police forces in Oregon combined.

If the Rajneesh intend to defend their commune,

Rajneesh Security spokespersons will not say

how many semi-automatic weapons they possess, only that there are enough.

If someone tried to arrest Bhagwan, put him in handcuffs,

these believers, well-armed, would see it as their duty to try and defend him.

I call them weapons to be used only for self-defense,

only for situations of mortal danger, only to protect the commune.

If they come in here shooting, we're going to shoot back.

I mean, you have to understand the community was freaked.

I mean, we did have newspapers and we did have TVs,

and they were freaked that there was going to be an invasion.

And people would have given their lives to protect Osho.

We were anticipating that we were going to end up having

to mount a major full-scale assault on the community.

There were two officers from the Oregon National Guard

out of Redmond came out here.

They felt that they might have to go in.

And they were looking for the appropriate place to cross.

Well, down at the lower end of my property,

you barely get your feet wet walking across the river there.

And I said, "Well, this is the ideal place to go across."

But I said, "Really, you're going to get a lot of your kids killed.

You guys meet one weekend a month.

I hear them practicing on their range every day."

According to this memo to the governor,

about 300 National Guardsmen could be placed on standby alert if they're needed.

The memo goes on to state that training schedules have been adjusted

so that helicopters could be available in the event the worst came about.

The Oregon National Guard, both the Army Guard and Air Guard,

has a full complement of most every imaginable combat arm.

Well, let us say right now we're glad you're there and we're glad you're ready,

but we hope to gosh we don't need you.

The National Guard was mobilized to several locations around Rajneeshpuram,

waiting for the go-ahead from Governor Atiyeh.

And there was talk that they would not be coming down gently.

It would be in the middle of a night and it would be extremely heavy-handed.

These guys thought they were coming to a Jonestown cult,

who they had just established had, you know, had attempted murders.

I'll never forget the FBI SWAT team from San Francisco

had been brought in to help with this raid.

And they happened to be in a room right next to me.

And I remember listening to the conversations

about how concerned they were that these true believers

were just going to start opening fire the minute the police showed up.

The Rajneeshees were sniffing out the fact that we were coming to get them.

Niren, as I recall, came to us to see if, in fact, we were going to indict Bhagwan.

We refused to tell him.

We had been trying to negotiate

a voluntary surrender to avoid a confrontation.

And Turner said, "I won't confirm that there's an indictment

and I won't discuss voluntary surrender."

We didn't know these guys.

We had no track record. We didn't trust them.

And frankly I didn't believe that they could deliver the Bhagwan

because I don't think that they controlled him.

So, no, not for one minute did we consider agreeing to that proposition.

The decision has been made.

The action is underway that the National Guard is going to be mobilized,

that arrests are going to be made without any attempt to allow or permit

cooperative efforts from within this community to avoid confrontation.

They had the indictment. They had warrants.

They had everything. They were ready to arrest the next day.

And yes...

Are you asking me whether we had created a dangerous situation for that arrest?

I think so.

And I had gone to bed the night before

very fearful about what was going to take place.

I would bet there's going to be some kind of an armed confrontation out there.

There's no doubt in my mind that it's going to be

a mass death situation.

An assault was forthcoming.

Tom Casey worked for the Immigration Service.

So he asked those of us that lived around here

anytime we saw something unusual to give him a call.

And I'm riding horseback up the road with a little bunch of cows...

and two Learjets flew into the Rajneesh ranch.

I called Tom and told him--

I said, "Two Learjets went in about 45 minutes ago

and they just left."

I got a call from Isabel.

And... she said, "What's going on? What's going on?"

And I said, "What?" She said, "Don't lie to me."

And I said, "Isabel, what's happening? I don't know what you're talking about."

I got a call

from the special agent in charge of the Customs Service, Larry LaDage.

He had a informant on the ranch.

Two Learjets had landed on their strip and quickly loaded up and took off.

And while the informant was not certain,

he suspected that one of them was the Rajneesh.

And she said, "Osho just came down to the airfield

and got on a plane and left the ranch."

And I said, "Oh, shit.

That's not a good idea."

Uh... uh...

Well, I was surprised,

but then I saw opportunity.