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are you getting anybody Jessica the
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through the magazine said that
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after cup fill another it's a really
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weird scary feeling disoriented you
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can't see in front of you it's like it's
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false imprisonment I can't get away I
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can't get out I can't get out of a store
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because these guys are blocking the door
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can't get to my car when I'm in my car
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they're surrounding me I can't see the
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flashlight box it's nighttime I can't my
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vision is impaired
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it's high-stress
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I've been shooting since the eighties
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and celebrity photography has changed a
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lot what big award shows there are about
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50 60 guys in the pen and they're all
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fighting for the same image they're
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trying to get a head shot or a
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full-length fashion shot they're
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screaming at the celebrities trying to
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get eye contact into their camera I on
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the other hand though I'm outside the
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pen I'm on the red carpet where I go
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right up to them I can make them pose
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for me give me high contact what set up
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a shot you'll talk to the PR people and
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they'll even tell you flat out we don't
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need all these guitars it's just for
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Cameron Show basically all we need is
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like five or six guys but no we want all
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these photographers here because it
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looks great on camera and it makes it
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look more glamorous Hollywood if you
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look in the magazines and on all these
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websites and TV shows you've seen all
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these celebrities where does it really
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come from the red carpet is just one
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piece of what's become a billion dollar
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a year industry
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I'm saying I think you're I adore it I
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think you will do in the days of Hedda
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Hopper at the premiere of something you
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know the studios would hire
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photographers but it was faithfully
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waiting may I take a picture it was all
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agreed upon client walking room say hey
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how'd you get all these photographers
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here you know nobody bought that anybody
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I didn't force your friends you didn't
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force my face now it's become something
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totally different someone jumping over
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your wall okay your wall you know how is
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that not a clear line you can't do that
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right example mark and I getting married
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we took every precaution in every
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measure so we can have a private moment
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we decided to do it in the backyard
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invite 20 people they thought they were
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coming to a barbecue so some of them are
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not even that dressed out in shorts
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issue mark built the runway barely wet
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hammer and nails to get a contract trust
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anybody we had to do it ourselves was
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just fine it was actually a beautiful
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experience in its own way but even with
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that they found a way helicopter comes
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over right as I'm walking down the aisle
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we couldn't hear each other making the
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bow say yes because they do you did
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right we don't take technically you can
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get out of it I never but that place
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wasn't even sacred like we should in our
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home at least be sacred
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here at Getty Images we're selling an
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image every single second and within the
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news or editorial area about 40% of all
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those images are entertainment images I
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get the same names thrown at me oh do
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you work with any words do you work
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Patrick Demarchelier but the most
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published photographers in the world are
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the entertainment photographers a lot of
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people may not have heard of them
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but these folks are being published in
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the thousands and thousands every week
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photographers the difference in
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photographers well I guess there's three
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kinds we got the guys that you regularly
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see in a scene like Kevin and guys from
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wire image but you see him at all the
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show he kind of become friends and you
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know they're not looking for a bad shot
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you know they're looking for something
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interesting cool no problem
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then he got the stalker Otzi's you know
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go through anything to get a shot and
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sit there like you're eating lunch with
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a bag with a big camera in it and flip
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it out it on you like a moment's notice
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and then some of the worst offenders are
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just the creepos with the cell phones
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they're acting like they're looking for
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a number you know I'm buying a bulk of
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burger which I don't want anybody to
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know about you know I mean I eat steaks
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and medium badass you know I'm thinking
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in the bulk of burger section I go Huck
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you know something like that no those
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people suck people with mobile phones
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I'm fine okay picture them you know you
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can't go anywhere without being
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photographed basically now you have to
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be very care of it and you have to
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behave accordingly
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now the regular citizens have become
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paparazzi's you're not save anywhere
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anyone can sell you anyone can sell a
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piece of you the kind of fascination
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that we have with celebrities changed
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over time we used to go and see movies
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in these amazing movie houses many of
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which were not only built to look like
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palaces record palaces and we would sit
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in the dark and we would watch these
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huge larger-than-life people idols that
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were literally like deities the first
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people who appeared in movies their
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names weren't used the audience had to
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make up their own names for these people
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Mary Pickford for instance became known
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as the girl with the curls because as
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the studios didn't promote them they
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knew if they promoted them that they
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would have to pay them more Pickford
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really changed that personally she and
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her mother invented stardom and the
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percentage deal the movie makes so much
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money I make so much money
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unheard of unsinkable and she married
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Douglas Fairbanks who on the male side
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did the same thing back when Hollywood
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was in its golden age it was glamorous
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and beautiful and mysterious and you
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wondered how they live and if they did a
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spread in somebody's house was just so
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special and now it's we're so exposed
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there's no mystery today celebrity is an
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industry and in every industry you have
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raw material and the raw material in the
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celebrity industry is an actual body an
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actual flesh-and-blood person who has
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feelings has emotions as a family that
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raw material is shaped you have to look
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a certain way so they have a stylist and
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a publicist and a manager and an agent
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that helped form the raw material into
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the finished product
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second of all if you have authorized
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Felicity things that was celebrity and
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his or her publicist have decided will
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become part of this person's image
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interviews magazine covers the actual
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films the products in which the star
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appears and then you have unauthorized
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publicity such as paparazzi photography
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and gossip unsanctioned but at the same
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time it still contributes to the
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formation of image next media takes this
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image and gives it to the consumer as
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far as outlets there's print there's
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television and there's online so some of
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the authorized outlets would be people
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Entertainment Tonight
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extra Access Hollywood and then it
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starts website or a source fanclub
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unauthorized and print we have in touch
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and life in style there's gossip blogs
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like TMZ Perez Hilton delisted and
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Gawker so bottom line all these
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different players they're all
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interconnected and symbiotic on one
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another
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watch the cars behind you guys have a
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great day and she sells Oh usually they
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run white to 5,500 truthfully usually
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they're $5,250 it's as much as 250,000
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you may get nothing today but you may
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come today or tomorrow and make more in
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one day than most making a year the
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problem is it has to be the most
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audacious the most outrageous the most
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intrusive behavior may get the most
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saleable shot the agencies are trying to
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get that to sell them to magazines or
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video outlets that will pay money for it
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and the public buys the magazines or
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watches the show so it's that whole
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cycle
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what a game is to provoke a reaction
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best thing that happened is somebody
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think you swing at them you know or
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start pushing with screaming that's a
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better shot it's more money they usually
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bring up thanks girlfriend's ex-wife's
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they say stuff not Pam or it's not too
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much they can really say to get my goat
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it's more invading your space getting in
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your face you're like wait a minute I
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don't know you do you gonna come at me
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and try to get a reaction
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there's my reaction we're all good I've
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given them one or two of those in my
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time but now you just have to know that
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that's the photograph that they want and
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it's you know you just have to not give
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it to them Oh worse this or that and if
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they do provoke you they have one and
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you have lost me on the other hand yeah
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mark doesn't have as much of a tolerance
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for that stuff so we try not to put them
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in those situations they kind of want
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Lindsay Lohan to have meltdown in public
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so they've got their photograph this
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week in a celebrity spotlight we view
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Lohan is Yael Balan I mean oh no half
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the time she gives them the thing they
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want and it's very sad because it's like
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this guy was a good actress she had
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talent she made records you know and now
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it's kind of she's become their toy and
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it's frightening
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there is a uniquely American sport
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called grandest side we build someone up
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to spectacular heights in order to tear
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them down it's a vicious cycle they you
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build up you break it down next to this
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person coming back again let's break
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them down again they don't need to sit
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back and watch I know it's only a couple
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days in but they say it's gonna go
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number one
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that moment of her just looking in the
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camera shaving her head was such an
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powerful moment it was like fuck you guy
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there was something about it but that
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was just fuck you you know I mean she
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had enough she broke in front of us all
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of our eyes and then they that people
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captured that but it was really sad to
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me people used to be able to develop
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kind of quietly and if they made
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mistakes the whole world didn't know
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about them Nicky we don't know how lucky
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we are that snot the way it is anymore
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now really horrible behavior and people
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who are definitely in trouble and need
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help are often just seen as people who
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are supposed to entertain you
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our celebrity images are supposed to be
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seamless but when those cracks open I
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mean it's kind of dirty but it's also
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fascinating I don't want a dragon skull
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miss Charlie Sheen but then you know if
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the Crocs open too wide there's nothing
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left you borrow my marine for five
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seconds and just be like dude handling
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the treatment he's an absolute madness
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okay you know you shouldn't look but
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you're just curious
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come on mr. P I'm Darrin lions mr.
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pepper RT and this is my mini-me mr. P
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I've started as a news photographer on a
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local paper but my passion was certainly
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gita' graffiti a lot of the world
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looking from the outside in live really
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this interesting lives and I think that
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is what's captured the culture of
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celebrity today I'm a true believer in
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the image you know I've been to Bosnia
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on the front line getting shot out in
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Full Metal Jacket
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I've won Press photographer for the year
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in the United Kingdom two years in a row
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I won all the awards you could imagine
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being a photographer the fact that
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matter is you know awards don't pay the
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mortgage I sought celebrity as being the
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huge moment of the future we've missed
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the paparazzi calm I embraced it and i'm
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still embracing it celebrity isn't going
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to go away it's been around since time
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began
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he don't Julius Caesar was famous and
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Napoleon was famous but they were famous
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in different ways Yuki's the mass media
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it had taken Napoleon a lifetime to
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become famous it took Charlie Chaplin a
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month one day he was nobody and months
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later he was known in the deepest
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jungles of Africa
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he couldn't appear in public without a
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mob coming around him and he had to
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invent strategies to deal with that
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celebrity today means anyone who's
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famous now you can be famous young guy
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who was in a balloon and floated across
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the country is it that a star is Jeffrey
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Dahmer a star historically the American
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Dream meant that anyone could come to
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America and through hard work could own
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a home and provide for their family
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now if the American Dream is really
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transformed into anyone can become a
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celebrity say something with that great
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radio voice when you're listening to
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nothing but the best of oldies the way
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that people talk about YouTube is that
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anyone who puts a video on YouTube can
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become famous
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everyone can deny Justin Bieber a
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contract but then because enough people
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are interested in him he can still
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become famous it's this idea that if you
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have talent and if you make that tell
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invisible and you can be voted in our
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democratic society to be a star I think
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a recent survey of British children
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under 15 said they were they want to be
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a doctor or a nurse or an architect or a
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photographer no they just wanted to be
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either rich or famous
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because we're not jobs and we don't care
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what people think about it I think
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that's why everybody loves us in general
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a reality celebrity is like a one you
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celebrity you pay a little for them but
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then you can exploit them until they
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disintegrate there are people out there
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now there are completely celebrities and
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absolutely famous who don't work who
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don't even wore them doesn't sell
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they have no but there's so scary
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I hate reality television I think it's
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the lowest common denominator it's mind
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rot to me it numbs my brain and the
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people being called celebrities and have
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their own reality shows I'll kill them
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tell me you won't regret it I think what
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people misunderstand is that we're in
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the entertainment industry we're not
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these serious people and everyone's just
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gotten so used to all these actors
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taking themselves so seriously when it's
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really just a joke industry is mostly
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fun there's nothing wrong with the Kevin
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Garnett all of those people if that's
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how they choose to make a living more
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power to them it's not my my my line of
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work is is different I wanted to
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entertain people reality TV is in a way
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the new vaudeville there's nothing real
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about reality TV people are led to
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believe that it's real and it's it's the
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big lie there's nothing real about it
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I'll tell you the first time it bothered
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me I walked out of my house I wanted to
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go and get my mother-in-law a birthday
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present and I walked out and for the
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first time ever there were all these
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photographers outside and I my first
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instinct curiously enough because we're
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kind of all animals basically it was to
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run but then I got scared to run because
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I was pregnant and I didn't trust the
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streets of New York to like be my ally
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and I started crying and I said to the
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photographer's please don't chase me I'm
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pregnant
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please don't chase me and they kept
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following me and I went into a building
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I saw a doorman and a building and I
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said to him he said okay can can I come
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in your building and he took me down to
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the garage and there was a couple and
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they were on a motorcycle and they saw
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me crying and she and I traded clothing
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everything from head to toe and I got on
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the back of her her boyfriend's
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motorcycle and she walked out of my
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clothes and he took me elsewhere and
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dropped me off but it's just gotten
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exponentially worse ever since then
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out of my way that's all waiting for
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somewhere
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the Bob brought to you life is like the
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lottery you might want to take a day off
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but that might be the day when something
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major happens then put your powers away
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I start off very early in the morning
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and I go late at night and I try to do
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it six days a week if not seven days a
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week it would be that a celebrity
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reindeer come on bring him in free of
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embryo man I love what I do because I
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get to drive up and down the streets of
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my favorite city in the world miss
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Angeles California interrupts with
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celebrities tourists I can take a day
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off I want I'm my own boss I've no
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answer to
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you know made you better Bellucci so no
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not aroma multi amoeba universal mr.
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photographer chinko dr. BM o KR don't go
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see Tamara photography the South though
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they would work together in teams of two
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one of the photographer's would
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aggravate the celebrity that they were
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shooting start some kind of
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confrontation so that the other one
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could take the photo came under
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paparazzi you know mean been Dada you
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can go CDs and other
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to Tennessee she's India ramekin Fellini
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much anniversary on Isabella goes away a
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de facto ology not even send at the
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brain very good in everything they are
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denoted wonderful support la dolce vita
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inlay product Lisa photographer female
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for that you know me parapodia come on
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Roberto
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Antonio Franco like yo Chris oh no me
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paparazzi the advent of the paparazzi
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took on a whole different nastiness
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paparazzi were I'll get you at any cost
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and I'll get it if it means killing you
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and the competition among them was so
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fierce
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Ron Coelho was probably the first
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well-known paparazzi who everyday woke
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up and decided to focus his lens on
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Jackie Kennedy no matter what she was
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doing or where she was
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hey you just been good to run because he
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got a lot of very bad press he was seen
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to be you know parasite his photography
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is now being collected by serious
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photography collectors but you know when
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Rob was working it was completely
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different from the way it is now getting
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a picture taken
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went from something where you felt that
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somebody was honoring you a part of you
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your work your beauty your youth
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something to a hunt
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and most of the time instead of
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celebrating something about you a lot of
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the times trying to find something wrong
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with you a bad shot of Lindsey doe Anna
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I must to get a shot she's doing good
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I'm taking a good shot if she's doing
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bad well in her eyes I'm taking a bad
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shot to meet still the shot
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you're not the Brutus people I've ever
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met thank you no wonder people come up
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you know they use this as it goes
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Oh paparazzi bad well you take the
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picture and they wrote about it but you
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shouldn't take the picture well okay but
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they still sold magazines and you still
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read it yeah I got a question do you
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think the people hate more than fucking
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important for the paparazzi I think it's
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really easy to blame the paparazzi
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because their actual bodies right there
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that we can pinpoint eyes the cause
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there are photos of the paparazzi
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getting in the celebrities faces whereas
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the writers and editors completely
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unseen you certainly don't want to blame
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ourselves
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I think the paparazzi has a place 40% of
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many of the magazines have paparazzi
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photos they're an important part of the
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industry I'm in a doctor's office and
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they're all there and there's no men
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around me that's the one I'll go for a
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first either ok or us before Sports
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Illustrated there's a controversy like
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an argument between people and I know
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it's gonna be like ongoing that's a good
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gossip basically
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confidential those behind the headlines
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for its stories stories early feel I
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feel the public should know Robert
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Harrison published kind of topics in
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magazines out of his apartment in the
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1940s and then he started confidential
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in the 1950s
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confidential basically made what had to
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that point than unspeakable speakable so
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women's sexuality having relationships
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between races even homosexuality
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confidential was operating entirely
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outside of the system and had no qualms
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about reporting on these sorts of things
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some of the stories were outrageous I
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you know I boiled my baby in the oven
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this morning and things like that I mean
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terrible things and there were people
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who believed it and all damage control
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was just ignored just it'll go away and
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most of the time it did the outlaw
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magazines took advantage of the fact
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that they were secrets that they could
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basically use as blackmail the classic
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story of course was the story about rock
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Hudson's homosexuality which
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confidential had absolute evidence of
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and they said give us an exclusive story
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and we won't print it so the studio took
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a much lesser actor who was also gay and
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they sacrificed him pretty sleazy stuff
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but it was business confidential
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became extremely popular in a very short
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amount of time I mean upwards of five
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million copies a month out of sight but
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all of these stars including Maureen
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O'Hara and Liberace and Dorothy
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Dandridge filed suit against
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confidential for the various things that
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were said about them Robert Harrison
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agreed to basically stop covering the
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Stars and then the stars in the studios
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would stop suing him so he sold it off I
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think it's a part of Americana I think
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it's gonna live long after I'm gone
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they're so funny I mean you know you're
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never gonna get the ball looking at ya
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looking for all those sort of fun little
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behind-the-scenes kind of images that
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are gonna make a reader feel like that
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they were really there someone's
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stepping on someone's trained someone
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greeting someone saying hi
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nicole kidman Keith Urban going out on
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their date night things like that from
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this we pick a few hundred pictures and
549
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I would say in terms of our space in the
550
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magazine we have room for six
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consecutive pages of award show coverage
552
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now something really juicy happens at
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the show never know I could get a cover
554
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story out of it or it could go to the
555
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hot stuff section and be a gossip item
556
00:26:41,089 --> 00:26:45,178
Mila Kunis looked amazing so he might
557
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write a full-length dress shot of her in
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which case we can't necessarily run
559
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another picture of her inside with
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00:26:47,849 --> 00:26:53,869
Natalie Portman even though it's really
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cute so it's really just a giant puzzle
562
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it was launched in the 1970s to compete
563
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with people who a magazine was first
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published in 1974 one of the first
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issues had Gerald Ford not like in his
566
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suit in the White House he's in a pool
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00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,888
and his shirt is off so it's really
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trying to give this intimate look into
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these different personalities lives it
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00:27:12,659 --> 00:27:16,860
was a tremendous success immediately
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last week it was actually published by
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the New York Times company originally
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and eventually sold it to young Grenier
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the founders are rolling stone it has
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been a monthly a bi-weekly and weekly
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they have changed its format its tone
577
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:31,169
who they're covering he tried everything
578
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:33,559
and none of it worked but seems like
579
00:27:31,169 --> 00:27:36,410
people was invincible
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00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:38,149
around 2002 Bonnie fuller took over Us
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Weekly and she changed the face of
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celebrity reporting a lot of the
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magazines would feature these glamorous
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shots of celebrities and at the time
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00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:47,539
Us Weekly wasn't doing that well and so
586
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,370
the only photos that Us Weekly could
587
00:27:47,539 --> 00:27:51,319
afford were those shots that magazines
588
00:27:49,369 --> 00:27:53,059
wouldn't print I was interested in
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00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:54,740
celebrities being glamorous but then I
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also wanted to see the human side of
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them too and so we created a section
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called stars are just like us lovey was
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picking out their garbage picking up
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their kids it was a home run for us I
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guess I was a pioneer because it was the
596
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first time if that paparazzi photos had
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been presented that way she definitely
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has the good hair and then the pretty
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and hello know who it is
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and you know kind of become the expert
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and the insider so we want to always
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give that that's one of the reasons why
603
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they come here to Us Weekly the way that
604
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we lay it out it always does feel like
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you were like a member of the party
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there and they loved it
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you know if this thing is elite possible
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00:29:02,509 --> 00:29:08,299
didn't I'll take it it's not it's to
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00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:11,840
keep in a hole is that nowhere well then
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I'm using it probably there I'm against
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00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:16,759
humanity not sore throat right anyways
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00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:18,889
when Bonnie and I work together as
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editors at Us Weekly I broke the story
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00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:22,220
of that Britney Spears and Justin
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Timberlake had broken up and then the
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next week we had a follow up to that
617
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story and we created these soap operas
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there was a time when I was on the
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tabloids every week for maybe two years
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straight to everything in a soap opera
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if you're in a relationship and you're
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00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:42,339
in the tabloids all the time it's like
623
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well maybe that part was true maybe it
624
00:29:42,339 --> 00:29:44,619
wasn't then all of a sudden you're a
625
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,120
victim too believing what they're saying
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and what they're writing gossip is
627
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:50,408
itself just as much of a product as a
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movie is actual people's lives are
629
00:29:50,409 --> 00:29:56,049
turned into a story for us to consume
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for example with a love triangle pose
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Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and
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Jennifer Aniston and also with Liz
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Taylor and Eddie Fisher and Debbie
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Reynolds in 1958 each of the people in
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both of these situations was given a
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role to play the temptress the innocent
637
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man in the middle and then the victim
638
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and once Jennifer Aniston was made the
639
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victim it's very difficult for her to
640
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become something else which is the
641
00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:21,610
reason why they're still magazine covers
642
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,018
now years later saying Jennifer Aniston
643
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can't find love Jennifer Aniston can't
644
00:30:23,019 --> 00:30:27,609
get over him because that is still her
645
00:30:25,509 --> 00:30:29,169
role as victim when really she's of
646
00:30:27,609 --> 00:30:30,908
course found happiness and she's dated
647
00:30:29,169 --> 00:30:32,259
other people and whatever but that has
648
00:30:30,909 --> 00:30:34,570
been the role in which she has been
649
00:30:32,259 --> 00:30:36,700
slotted in the early days of Us Weekly
650
00:30:34,569 --> 00:30:38,859
becoming successful People magazine
651
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:41,860
began to feature more of these breakups
652
00:30:38,859 --> 00:30:44,319
and who's dating whom on us wanted to
653
00:30:41,859 --> 00:30:46,178
scoop people at whatever cost so that
654
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,308
they could claim the exclusive and thus
655
00:30:46,179 --> 00:30:50,169
attract bigger newsstand sales there was
656
00:30:48,308 --> 00:30:52,480
this great photo of Jennifer Lopez
657
00:30:50,169 --> 00:30:55,149
reading Us Weekly and we wanted that
658
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,798
shot but People magazine outbid us all
659
00:30:55,148 --> 00:30:59,079
day I kept going up and up and up and up
660
00:30:56,798 --> 00:31:00,788
and people never published those photos
661
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,319
but they paid tens of thousands of
662
00:31:00,788 --> 00:31:04,269
dollars just so that we couldn't publish
663
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:06,490
her what happened is that series of
664
00:31:04,269 --> 00:31:08,138
bidding wars for photos under bun fuller
665
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:10,888
and Janice men after her there really
666
00:31:08,138 --> 00:31:13,298
escalated the photo price for all photos
667
00:31:10,888 --> 00:31:14,949
even small photos inside the magazine
668
00:31:13,298 --> 00:31:17,740
they still wanted to be the only ones
669
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:19,690
who hadn't it Bonnie fuller flipped the
670
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:21,190
demand so instead of just tracking the
671
00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:22,870
moments when a star was either doing
672
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:24,340
something scandalous or doing something
673
00:31:22,869 --> 00:31:27,219
that was absolutely glamorous really on
674
00:31:24,339 --> 00:31:28,898
the paparazzi now needed photos of the
675
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:30,308
stars doing everything in between which
676
00:31:28,898 --> 00:31:32,759
meant you know near 24 hours
677
00:31:30,308 --> 00:31:32,759
surveillance
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00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:43,649
once you spot a car you look at the last
679
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,900
three numbers of the license plate to
680
00:31:43,650 --> 00:31:48,690
match with the car Nicky Hilton black
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00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:50,190
Range Rover oh six nine paparazzi know
682
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:51,509
all the license-plate numbers they know
683
00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:54,000
all the tailplane numbers of their
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00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:56,640
planes find out and they call me or take
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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,440
me back they pay people off valet
686
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Parkers the doorman at hot restaurants
687
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:05,450
and clubs they have a network of
688
00:32:03,059 --> 00:32:05,450
informants
689
00:32:26,890 --> 00:32:35,690
Laporte preventability
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00:32:29,329 --> 00:32:37,039
pull out of that website you know you
691
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:39,110
see one years to get a deal with one guy
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00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,809
in you hope and pray it doesn't start
693
00:32:39,109 --> 00:32:43,339
calling all their friends you know
694
00:32:40,809 --> 00:32:44,329
within 15 minutes there are five other
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people through there
696
00:32:44,329 --> 00:32:48,439
let the two guys get the shot and be
697
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,990
done with it but why there has to be 50
698
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,400
people getting the same shot if I saw
699
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:53,839
someone I want to photograph walk out of
700
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,880
the house I sure as hell wouldn't call
701
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,899
my buddies why not enjoy the entire
702
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,870
piece of steak
703
00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:02,830
why I don't get the whole call friends
704
00:32:59,869 --> 00:33:02,829
and relatives and
705
00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:12,289
it's literally being pursued like prey
706
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:14,240
like an animal there's no kind of
707
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:16,849
structure there's no type of regulations
708
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,900
it's just just get that bitch get that
709
00:33:16,849 --> 00:33:19,899
shot I don't care what it takes
710
00:33:22,309 --> 00:33:25,849
they don't care about breaking the law
711
00:33:23,809 --> 00:33:28,490
they'll climb a wall take pictures over
712
00:33:25,849 --> 00:33:31,240
the gate they've done it at my office in
713
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:32,990
my backyard they do it the helicopter
714
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,670
you're in your backyard and the
715
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:36,950
helicopters coming that low and you
716
00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:44,660
running in and it's like a stupid game
717
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:47,990
of have ice tried to reason oh my god
718
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:50,509
have I tried to reason I have tried to
719
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:52,460
reason with them I have had talks about
720
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:54,259
come on new there's better things that
721
00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:55,610
you can do you could you can have you
722
00:33:54,259 --> 00:34:00,430
can achieve your dream I mean it's
723
00:33:55,609 --> 00:34:00,429
stupid it's just gotten out of control
724
00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:08,079
there's certain instances where the
725
00:34:06,099 --> 00:34:11,259
paparazzi's are gonna just over excite
726
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:14,079
themselves cameras get broken
727
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:19,360
couldn't get her depression they hit the
728
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:23,099
elbows but this is what it's all about
729
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,099
get that shot no matter what
730
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:33,260
I had a very public relationship that
731
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,209
fell apart and I was diagnosed with
732
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:37,639
breast cancer and I had never been an
733
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:39,019
a-list celebrity for I pretty much was
734
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,669
just photographed on red carpets and
735
00:34:39,019 --> 00:34:43,280
maybe the occasional lunch at the ivy
736
00:34:40,668 --> 00:34:45,079
aware but once that happened once I was
737
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,200
diagnosed and I was going through such
738
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:51,349
unhappiness in such real dark chaos in
739
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:55,789
my life I couldn't leave my house and it
740
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:57,799
really made me I guess start to dissect
741
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:59,389
what it is that would make that's such
742
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,100
an interesting thing to photograph and
743
00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:07,279
is that what sells magazines is seeing
744
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:09,139
somebody at their lowest a word that has
745
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,240
become absolutely meaningless today is
746
00:35:09,139 --> 00:35:13,969
unspeakable there's nothing that
747
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,099
unspeakable anymore you know starters
748
00:35:13,969 --> 00:35:18,679
cellulite they pump gas too they are
749
00:35:16,099 --> 00:35:20,420
still love triangles it's degrading to
750
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:23,960
women especially the way they showed you
751
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:28,760
to show women celebrities it's just like
752
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,440
I was in Hawaii I wasn't and you know I
753
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,810
have this horrible bikini shot that a
754
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,700
paparazzi got and crap light in a weird
755
00:35:32,809 --> 00:35:36,858
angle and it just it look it's terrible
756
00:35:34,699 --> 00:35:38,210
and and and it was everywhere and they
757
00:35:36,858 --> 00:35:40,130
did everything to just make me look like
758
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:42,500
I was just this peach droid with
759
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:44,630
cellulite fine it was just so bad and I
760
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:47,239
was like oh my god do I look like this I
761
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:48,680
have a little girl I don't read this in
762
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,899
front of her I don't really read any of
763
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:52,219
my magazines and find my daughter
764
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:54,019
because I'm I don't want her to get that
765
00:35:52,219 --> 00:35:55,939
bad body image at such a young age and
766
00:35:54,019 --> 00:35:57,858
it happens really young like I've had
767
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:59,480
little girls as a teacher so I mean have
768
00:35:57,858 --> 00:36:02,809
fed at four years old where are you
769
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,369
getting this from I think the magazines
770
00:36:02,809 --> 00:36:08,119
and the media are the catechol that's
771
00:36:04,369 --> 00:36:10,789
the the breeding ground for them whether
772
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:12,829
it be people us InStyle glamour both
773
00:36:10,789 --> 00:36:13,690
they all portray women as this
774
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:16,690
untouchable
775
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:16,690
goal
776
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:41,088
you can create the illusion that someone
777
00:36:37,458 --> 00:36:42,469
is a normal ordinary person in other
778
00:36:41,088 --> 00:36:44,328
words you don't Crawford vacuums their
779
00:36:42,469 --> 00:36:47,568
own house or she has the perfect family
780
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:50,719
or you can create the illusion that
781
00:36:47,568 --> 00:36:54,949
their aloof aristocratic goddesses but
782
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:57,818
control was the name of the game and the
783
00:36:54,949 --> 00:37:00,528
whole apparatus grew up around that need
784
00:36:57,818 --> 00:37:03,528
the studio system determined which
785
00:37:00,528 --> 00:37:05,958
movies the stars would appear in it also
786
00:37:03,528 --> 00:37:08,659
determined where they would live what
787
00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:12,708
cars they would drive and in certain
788
00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:15,078
cases who they would marry it also
789
00:37:12,708 --> 00:37:17,958
provided them with protection all of the
790
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:20,599
images came through the studio's
791
00:37:17,958 --> 00:37:22,969
publicity Department so if you were
792
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:25,519
running a fan magazine and you ran a
793
00:37:22,969 --> 00:37:27,469
photograph which was unflattering that
794
00:37:25,518 --> 00:37:30,108
was it you didn't get another photograph
795
00:37:27,469 --> 00:37:31,278
not only at that star but of all of the
796
00:37:30,108 --> 00:37:35,748
other stars that were working for that
797
00:37:31,278 --> 00:37:38,028
particular studio if one of their stars
798
00:37:35,748 --> 00:37:39,768
was involved in a scandal the studio
799
00:37:38,028 --> 00:37:42,739
would wash right in and do damage
800
00:37:39,768 --> 00:37:44,478
control it could be hushed up so the
801
00:37:42,739 --> 00:37:48,019
control that that time was firmly
802
00:37:44,478 --> 00:37:50,389
meeting she's not the case anymore the
803
00:37:48,018 --> 00:37:52,578
mainstream media can say we won't report
804
00:37:50,389 --> 00:37:54,469
about X Y or Z and it's still going to
805
00:37:52,579 --> 00:37:56,839
be widely known because so many are
806
00:37:54,469 --> 00:37:59,119
reporting it on the Internet so the kind
807
00:37:56,838 --> 00:38:01,190
of control that celebrities and their
808
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,318
managers and their Studios used to have
809
00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:05,708
over their images simply does not exist
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anymore
811
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TMZ is not about getting the next Tom
812
00:38:08,869 --> 00:38:12,219
Cruise interview it's just not and so I
813
00:38:11,028 --> 00:38:13,548
don't think there's as much leverage
814
00:38:12,219 --> 00:38:15,318
Harvey Levin
815
00:38:13,548 --> 00:38:16,880
got his start as a lawyer and
816
00:38:15,318 --> 00:38:19,369
correspondent covering the Rhoda Simpson
817
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,920
trial in 1990s police are banking on
818
00:38:19,369 --> 00:38:25,160
blood in the Ford Bronco to started TMZ
819
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,380
in 2004 and what TMZ is doing is taking
820
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,478
the tactics to form the colors that the
821
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:31,338
general ethos of confidential and just
822
00:38:29,478 --> 00:38:32,538
transferring it to new medium a little
823
00:38:31,338 --> 00:38:33,708
over half past the hour now here's a
824
00:38:32,539 --> 00:38:35,989
look at the stories that you may have
825
00:38:33,708 --> 00:38:37,458
missed Lindsay Lohan Cable News push the
826
00:38:35,989 --> 00:38:38,250
network news to be faster and more
827
00:38:37,458 --> 00:38:41,190
immediate
828
00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:43,500
and now the network news and cable news
829
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:54,599
are in many ways responding to what
830
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:57,090
happens on the Internet media habits
831
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:59,099
have totally changed ways of getting
832
00:38:57,090 --> 00:39:00,750
information people go online they don't
833
00:38:59,099 --> 00:39:02,759
wait for weekly don't wait for a monthly
834
00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:04,969
magazine anymore when some news breaks
835
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,960
they want to know now what's going on
836
00:39:04,969 --> 00:39:08,219
whenever something happens it doesn't be
837
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,030
very like his birthday was yesterday
838
00:39:08,219 --> 00:39:14,429
Google sent my phone right pass and got
839
00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:17,460
new haircut sent to my phone TMZ just
840
00:39:14,429 --> 00:39:20,129
fasting I'm obsessed with TMZ calm in
841
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:21,840
2006 TMZ broke the story of Mel Gibson's
842
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:23,760
arrest which drove a tremendous amount
843
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,430
of traffic to the site since then TMZ
844
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,730
has grown into an incredibly well-read
845
00:39:26,429 --> 00:39:28,730
site
846
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:42,820
he then went on to use the base product
847
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:44,349
this raw footage from the website and
848
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:47,309
then came up with a way that he could
849
00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:47,309
repackage it on television
850
00:39:47,590 --> 00:39:52,990
finally Snooki is good Nicole you are
851
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:54,640
amazing in WrestleMania if you asked
852
00:39:52,989 --> 00:39:56,649
around and you say why do you come to
853
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,420
TMZ increasingly which you're gonna hear
854
00:39:56,650 --> 00:40:01,389
people say is they seem to get the
855
00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:04,450
stories first when I was running MSNBC
856
00:40:01,389 --> 00:40:07,329
we would do our best to make sure source
857
00:40:04,449 --> 00:40:09,699
was credible but these news operations
858
00:40:07,329 --> 00:40:12,400
simply don't have the time or the
859
00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:17,919
ability to fact-check some of what
860
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:19,720
they're reporting and it's very good
861
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,519
that you brought that out I never said
862
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,750
that in that context he never talked to
863
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,210
those people and I never talked to those
864
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:28,030
people either they make up things yeah
865
00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:30,579
they do it's very tough unfortunately
866
00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:32,110
for a celebrity to sue a publication you
867
00:40:30,579 --> 00:40:35,409
have to prove malice you have to prove
868
00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:37,000
negligence also a lot of celebrities
869
00:40:35,409 --> 00:40:38,349
don't want to draw attention to a story
870
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,289
that is completely wrong or defamatory
871
00:40:38,349 --> 00:40:43,630
or give publicity to some blogger who's
872
00:40:41,289 --> 00:40:45,429
working out of his garage if you sue
873
00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:47,380
that person suddenly you make their site
874
00:40:45,429 --> 00:40:48,909
relevant I have a big famous lawsuit
875
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:50,110
against the Sun newspaper in Britain a
876
00:40:48,909 --> 00:40:52,119
long time ago in the eighties which
877
00:40:50,110 --> 00:40:53,140
wrote me crazy went on for a year and a
878
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,489
half that said that I slept with
879
00:40:53,139 --> 00:40:56,650
underage Rent Boys gave them drugs
880
00:40:54,489 --> 00:40:59,049
urinated on them I mean it made my life
881
00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:59,980
hell but I got a front-page apology
882
00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:03,400
which was the most important thing for
883
00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:04,240
me we were wrong we're sorry now people
884
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,889
can just make up what they want on the
885
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,119
internet and as soon as I put it on the
886
00:41:05,889 --> 00:41:17,079
internet it goes worldwide so you're
887
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:18,309
forever denying things nobody's gonna
888
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:21,219
care about the story tomorrow and they
889
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:22,779
convinced you to just deal with it when
890
00:41:21,219 --> 00:41:25,359
don't a sudden you're hearing rumors
891
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:28,450
that are not true on a CNN crawl that's
892
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,950
sort of go this is CNN beautiful I don't
893
00:41:28,449 --> 00:41:31,329
take it personally at this point but if
894
00:41:29,949 --> 00:41:33,029
there was something about the outlet of
895
00:41:31,329 --> 00:41:36,489
CNN that felt like that's a prestigious
896
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:37,780
you know channel if you respond to
897
00:41:36,489 --> 00:41:39,459
certain things you're right in the
898
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:41,260
sandbox with them if you don't respond
899
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:42,929
the story now grows because of the viral
900
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:45,580
world and because of 24-hour news cycle
901
00:41:42,929 --> 00:41:48,480
so we're constantly trying to figure out
902
00:41:45,579 --> 00:41:48,480
how to put out a fire
903
00:41:48,949 --> 00:41:54,269
perfect example is Tiger Woods he didn't
904
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:56,039
say anything he issued a statement that
905
00:41:54,269 --> 00:41:58,469
he had quote transgressions and then he
906
00:41:56,039 --> 00:42:00,480
disappeared for months women came out of
907
00:41:58,469 --> 00:42:02,849
the woodwork and it ended up being a
908
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,250
giant scandal because he let it blow up
909
00:42:02,849 --> 00:42:06,659
I think of this as a system anything
910
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:08,219
that happens here also you know has a
911
00:42:06,659 --> 00:42:10,199
chain reaction throughout the rest of
912
00:42:08,219 --> 00:42:11,399
the industry like Tiger Woods who we
913
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,069
were being served a very tightly
914
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,900
controlled image as soon as the scandal
915
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:17,610
broke you know a watch company or Nike
916
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:25,650
doesn't want their name affiliated with
917
00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:26,940
this sort of behavior this morning TMZ
918
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:28,889
reports KMZ is saying
919
00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:31,110
TMZ has learned until very recently
920
00:42:28,889 --> 00:42:34,619
major news organizations wouldn't have
921
00:42:31,110 --> 00:42:37,289
cited it a TMZ as a source and now they
922
00:42:34,619 --> 00:42:39,199
do there's something beyond just
923
00:42:37,289 --> 00:42:41,369
reporting who's making out with whom
924
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:42,659
therein lies the love-hate relationship
925
00:42:41,369 --> 00:42:44,639
that we have with someone like lemon
926
00:42:42,659 --> 00:42:45,779
he's illuminating things that we maybe
927
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:48,059
don't want to know about that we also
928
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:49,470
feel we should know about but then on
929
00:42:48,059 --> 00:42:52,039
the flip side there's a lot of sagging
930
00:42:49,469 --> 00:42:55,439
flesh and giving the camera the finger
931
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:57,420
so a blog will have unauthorized content
932
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,429
that may or may not be false maybe in a
933
00:42:57,420 --> 00:43:06,210
post right above or below journalistic
934
00:42:59,429 --> 00:43:08,099
content its dictating that we learn how
935
00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:09,300
to do our homework not believe
936
00:43:08,099 --> 00:43:11,670
everything we were reading in blogs
937
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:13,860
because everybody has an angle we're at
938
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:15,659
a really dangerous spot as far as our
939
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:17,930
inability to discern what is fact and
940
00:43:15,659 --> 00:43:17,929
what is fiction
941
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:24,910
believe what you read yeah no trace but
942
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:28,119
believe what you read
943
00:43:24,909 --> 00:43:29,679
got this one yeah that is shot yeah yeah
944
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:37,358
but it's probably even true and we'll
945
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:39,038
read it still read it yeah you can't
946
00:43:37,358 --> 00:43:40,298
beat the truth of a camera and this is
947
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,210
what the celebrities are paranoid about
948
00:43:40,298 --> 00:43:44,739
the camera doesn't lie it doesn't stop
949
00:43:43,210 --> 00:43:47,079
the Botox it doesn't stop the surgery
950
00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:50,229
and it doesn't stop you're having sex
951
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:52,690
with a co-star this is real no one can
952
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:53,769
lie about this picture it's there and
953
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:55,960
that's one of the great historical
954
00:43:53,768 --> 00:43:57,159
significance --is that photography and
955
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,630
the media bring today
956
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:00,848
the problem is with the celebrities it's
957
00:43:58,630 --> 00:44:01,960
instantaneous they have no control even
958
00:44:00,849 --> 00:44:03,789
when we're talking about authorized
959
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,778
photos there's still a lot the
960
00:44:03,789 --> 00:44:06,778
celebrities can control
961
00:44:14,829 --> 00:44:18,769
this is pretty much how we receive
962
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:22,309
things out here pretty much their entire
963
00:44:18,768 --> 00:44:29,498
body gets retouched well you can kind of
964
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:29,499
see here or it asks to cut in we cut in
965
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:35,910
we have to make sure that's all the red
966
00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:37,109
carpets match and it doesn't so we're
967
00:44:35,909 --> 00:44:39,750
gonna have to fix that
968
00:44:37,108 --> 00:44:42,090
some other time the people in the
969
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:45,090
background that you see are not really
970
00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:50,280
there or duplicated and get rid of
971
00:44:45,090 --> 00:44:52,470
stains on her dress and try to get rid
972
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,050
of the wrinkles paparazzi shots need a
973
00:44:52,469 --> 00:44:56,848
lot more TLC than a better photo that we
974
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,920
get from a you know a great photographer
975
00:44:56,849 --> 00:45:00,359
that's definitely a lot less work and
976
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,880
let's help her a little bit because she
977
00:45:00,358 --> 00:45:06,179
looks a little tired sometimes we get
978
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:08,630
photos that are you know green yeah but
979
00:45:06,179 --> 00:45:08,629
we can fix that
980
00:45:08,929 --> 00:45:12,809
the idea that a picture never lies is
981
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,510
simply not true
982
00:45:12,809 --> 00:45:18,269
a picture captures somebody at a
983
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:19,740
particular moment in time celebrity can
984
00:45:18,269 --> 00:45:21,509
tell a joke and pull a face or something
985
00:45:19,739 --> 00:45:22,649
and then when that person's in trouble
986
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:24,359
that image will appear and it'll look
987
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:25,740
like it was shot at the same time in
988
00:45:24,358 --> 00:45:28,019
reaction to something that they've done
989
00:45:25,739 --> 00:45:30,629
so and images don't always tell the
990
00:45:28,019 --> 00:45:32,608
truth it's the context the context is
991
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:34,380
very important so I think people need to
992
00:45:32,608 --> 00:45:36,779
be more discerning when they're looking
993
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:38,910
at images we need Zellweger is probably
994
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:40,560
one of the toughest shots to get because
995
00:45:38,909 --> 00:45:43,879
she doesn't really come out and be seen
996
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,880
as often as we'd like her to be seen
997
00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:55,570
exhilirating mean Joey I'm making her
998
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,350
smile and laugh and uh making her feel
999
00:45:55,570 --> 00:46:00,670
good you know their life is about you
1000
00:45:59,349 --> 00:46:02,679
know stay in the public eye because you
1001
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:03,970
forgotten then my camera goes down and
1002
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,319
then the world doesn't know where you
1003
00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:07,569
didn't want to care about moving all
1004
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,940
morning you'll be gone in a flash it's
1005
00:46:07,570 --> 00:46:14,410
called Hollywood who makes them famous
1006
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:17,500
well actually I do
1007
00:46:14,409 --> 00:46:20,230
they reliant on the paparazzi to
1008
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:21,219
photograph them to make the money that's
1009
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:22,960
delusional
1010
00:46:21,219 --> 00:46:25,359
that is absolutely delusional
1011
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,780
paparazzi's do not keep your career
1012
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,730
alive you know we're not saying don't
1013
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:33,460
take our pictures we understand there's
1014
00:46:30,730 --> 00:46:35,170
a market here but a photograph of you in
1015
00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:37,360
your back you know backyard sunbathing
1016
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:39,940
topless cuz you can and you should be
1017
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,680
able to that's a violation and the
1018
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:43,929
photograph it's in a magazine there's an
1019
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,629
agreement that this is my job and I'm to
1020
00:46:43,929 --> 00:46:48,849
be photographed one is like having
1021
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:50,590
someone rob your house and go into your
1022
00:46:48,849 --> 00:46:53,049
panty drawer and the other is something
1023
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:54,220
artistic and beautiful and both are in
1024
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:57,670
agreement that this is going to take
1025
00:46:54,219 --> 00:46:59,139
place there's a difference vitaminwater
1026
00:46:57,670 --> 00:47:01,480
zero hot line this is Ellen how can I
1027
00:46:59,139 --> 00:47:03,219
help you as long as you're famous
1028
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,550
you've become an enormous commodity in
1029
00:47:03,219 --> 00:47:07,809
this country my guest tonight is
1030
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:10,240
somebody's been the scent of a huge
1031
00:47:07,809 --> 00:47:12,789
scandal rocking American and news is a
1032
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:16,059
business newspaper entities need to sell
1033
00:47:12,789 --> 00:47:19,750
papers websites want traffic television
1034
00:47:16,059 --> 00:47:21,820
networks want ratings Lindsay Lohan
1035
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:23,400
increasingly the way to get that is to
1036
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:25,809
have an entertainment component
1037
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,460
record-setting weekend the tune of 30
1038
00:47:25,809 --> 00:47:29,110
million more than a hundred and fifty
1039
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:30,789
five million dollars this opening
1040
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:32,650
weekend every Sunday night what's the
1041
00:47:30,789 --> 00:47:34,570
first item you see on the news how much
1042
00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:36,550
money a movie made over the weekend
1043
00:47:34,570 --> 00:47:38,890
avatar is the number one spot I mean
1044
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:40,660
avatar hit a billion and it's bigger
1045
00:47:38,889 --> 00:47:44,019
than the security breach at the airport
1046
00:47:40,659 --> 00:47:45,849
it's bigger news why Nick Paton Walsh
1047
00:47:44,019 --> 00:47:47,800
donning his life from Kabul Afghanistan
1048
00:47:45,849 --> 00:47:49,239
many thanks she made sure he got the
1049
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,400
message wait until you hear about
1050
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,709
Charlie Sheen's the concept of hard news
1051
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,690
has really changed Charlie Sheen
1052
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:58,179
insisted a lot of what used to be
1053
00:47:55,690 --> 00:48:00,460
considered tabloid is now mainstream
1054
00:47:58,179 --> 00:48:02,619
frankly they stopped telling important
1055
00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:04,170
news about the world and they just tell
1056
00:48:02,619 --> 00:48:06,750
gossip
1057
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:07,950
sometimes you can only watch so many
1058
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:10,289
things there's somebody that stabbed
1059
00:48:07,949 --> 00:48:11,429
like all day long and you know me like
1060
00:48:10,289 --> 00:48:17,039
there's a flood here or there's an
1061
00:48:11,429 --> 00:48:18,750
earthquake there like who doesn't like a
1062
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,539
good Hollywood escape from time to time
1063
00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:23,429
there's an argument that celebrities act
1064
00:48:21,539 --> 00:48:24,059
as infotainment Parkinson's Awareness
1065
00:48:23,429 --> 00:48:25,769
Month
1066
00:48:24,059 --> 00:48:27,779
Michael Joffe are actually often helping
1067
00:48:25,769 --> 00:48:29,039
issues have real concerned getting into
1068
00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:30,900
the public domain
1069
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:33,210
so for instance if tragically a
1070
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,470
celebrity is ill with breast cancer or
1071
00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:36,449
something like that it does raise
1072
00:48:34,469 --> 00:48:37,829
awareness speak to the importance of
1073
00:48:36,449 --> 00:48:39,629
screening but there's concern on the
1074
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:41,519
other hand but focusing so much on the
1075
00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:43,680
my news shy of how famous people live
1076
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:45,389
their lives is just diverting attention
1077
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:47,579
from issues which the press should be
1078
00:48:45,389 --> 00:48:50,098
filling their pages with Sarah Palin
1079
00:48:47,579 --> 00:48:52,259
entertainment or journalism Sarah Palin
1080
00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:55,320
is a very good example of the way in
1081
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:57,750
which celebrity culture has influenced
1082
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,400
the politics I cross my fingers hoping
1083
00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:00,780
it wasn't a mistake I mean say what you
1084
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,599
will about Sarah Palin she has been
1085
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:05,130
brilliant and manipulating her image I
1086
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,390
think there's real indecision over
1087
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:07,650
whether or not Sarah Palin really wants
1088
00:49:06,389 --> 00:49:08,129
to be President or she just wants to be
1089
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:10,619
a celebrity
1090
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:12,510
I think it's unclear it certainly is the
1091
00:49:10,619 --> 00:49:14,700
question that's United Hollywood and
1092
00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:16,830
Washington you know democracy becomes
1093
00:49:14,699 --> 00:49:18,799
another reality show is Trump actually
1094
00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:22,608
serious about running for president
1095
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,609
that's not good for anyone
1096
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:28,960
if the mainstream media were to fold and
1097
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,179
celebrity tabloids were the only people
1098
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,730
out there publishing it would mean that
1099
00:49:31,179 --> 00:49:37,629
our entire system of democracy has
1100
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:39,880
collapsed democracy relies on an
1101
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:42,700
informed electorate to make educated
1102
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,880
decisions at the ballot box you can only
1103
00:49:42,699 --> 00:49:49,809
do that if you have access to truthful
1104
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:53,110
timely information the public has a lot
1105
00:49:49,809 --> 00:49:55,139
of responsibility here the paparazzi
1106
00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:58,030
doesn't get away with this in a vacuum
1107
00:49:55,139 --> 00:50:00,369
so I think citizens need to step up and
1108
00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:03,690
start valuing that information they're
1109
00:50:00,369 --> 00:50:03,690
getting from their local news gatherers
1110
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:13,029
all right yeah I'm done with the Paris
1111
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:14,529
Authority what do you have against the
1112
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:15,990
Paris Hilton I have nothing against
1113
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:18,550
Paris Hilton that was not the issue
1114
00:50:15,989 --> 00:50:22,139
she's very in whether or not it was
1115
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:22,140
worthy as elite
1116
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,539
I think at this point is getting to be
1117
00:50:34,469 --> 00:50:38,639
supply leading demand because I mean
1118
00:50:36,539 --> 00:50:42,059
look at how many magazines there are now
1119
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:46,498
like do I really need that but picking
1120
00:50:42,059 --> 00:50:47,970
them up now walked in Airport and it'll
1121
00:50:46,498 --> 00:50:49,919
be three or four people buried in this
1122
00:50:47,969 --> 00:50:51,629
magazine and I'll walk through and no
1123
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,568
one will notice me which is great but it
1124
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:55,829
is it's there's some irony there and I
1125
00:50:54,568 --> 00:50:57,329
understand it cuz I can get sucked into
1126
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:58,410
it I can spend twenty minutes on an
1127
00:50:57,329 --> 00:51:01,528
airplane and flip through that stuff and
1128
00:50:58,409 --> 00:51:02,998
I can be in that world reading about
1129
00:51:01,528 --> 00:51:04,199
who's dating who or looking at
1130
00:51:02,998 --> 00:51:08,118
somebody's cellulite on a beach or
1131
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:08,118
whatever and it makes me feel awful
1132
00:51:11,070 --> 00:51:15,660
you know the celebrities are famous
1133
00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:17,129
people they know that they work hard I
1134
00:51:15,659 --> 00:51:19,589
think to become a celebrity in the first
1135
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:21,000
place and then you got their picture all
1136
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:23,039
over the magazine so I don't feel guilty
1137
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,599
at all plus not buying the magazine's it
1138
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:28,860
costs me a little bit of money to even
1139
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:30,989
buy the magazine itself it comes with
1140
00:51:28,860 --> 00:51:32,039
your job you've asked for this life you
1141
00:51:30,989 --> 00:51:34,439
wanted to be in the limelight in the
1142
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:36,599
spotlight so deal with it yeah you know
1143
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,829
I kind of asked for this life and kind
1144
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,509
of knew that this is part of it that
1145
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:40,619
comes with it but I mean the same way
1146
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:42,090
you know the magazines make money they
1147
00:51:40,619 --> 00:51:43,199
make money for me you know they get the
1148
00:51:42,090 --> 00:51:44,910
word out that I have a record out there
1149
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,169
and put me in some light that hopefully
1150
00:51:44,909 --> 00:51:49,289
shines and people connect to make them
1151
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:51,570
wanna hear my record there's a price to
1152
00:51:49,289 --> 00:51:53,610
fame now are you willing to pay it
1153
00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:56,309
yes that's part of your job is promoting
1154
00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:57,570
your work but not I don't think it's
1155
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:58,860
your job when you're going to a yoga
1156
00:51:57,570 --> 00:52:01,140
class that's not your job
1157
00:51:58,860 --> 00:52:06,260
that's an invasion of privacy and they
1158
00:52:01,139 --> 00:52:08,190
need to stop look I have a great life I
1159
00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:12,090
wouldn't trade myself even with the
1160
00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:15,030
paparazzi following me but not because I
1161
00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:25,410
have a great life they should feel like
1162
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:28,350
they own it we represent the Bombers
1163
00:52:25,409 --> 00:52:30,869
rights in for many many years and I got
1164
00:52:28,349 --> 00:52:34,019
into the habit of carrying a large black
1165
00:52:30,869 --> 00:52:36,420
umbrella whether the weather calls for
1166
00:52:34,019 --> 00:52:38,190
it or not and if I saw a photographer's
1167
00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:40,530
coming towards us I would open the
1168
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:42,240
umbrella and like two fools we would
1169
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:42,870
walk down the street with the umbrella
1170
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,189
in front of me
1171
00:52:42,869 --> 00:52:45,719
so the photographers would not take a
1172
00:52:44,190 --> 00:52:48,690
picture she did not want her picture
1173
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:51,179
taken on the other hand Frank Sinatra
1174
00:52:48,690 --> 00:52:54,030
who we represented controlled that part
1175
00:52:51,179 --> 00:52:56,759
of his celebrity but never appearing in
1176
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:58,830
public Sinatra would walk down the
1177
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,480
street if you had to go from here to
1178
00:52:58,829 --> 00:53:01,440
there we took a car do you remember when
1179
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,829
we were like in the trunk of somebody's
1180
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,329
car trying to get away in Gina's car who
1181
00:53:04,829 --> 00:53:07,650
is laying in the trunk I'm like what
1182
00:53:06,329 --> 00:53:09,480
women when did this happen
1183
00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:10,950
I wanted to go shopping you know I'm
1184
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,990
like I'm in the trunk with my girlfriend
1185
00:53:10,949 --> 00:53:14,219
and I'm like this is your life what is
1186
00:53:12,989 --> 00:53:16,829
nothing you can do about it whatever I
1187
00:53:14,219 --> 00:53:18,659
was like I beg to differ I beg to differ
1188
00:53:16,829 --> 00:53:20,250
you feel out of control like you have no
1189
00:53:18,659 --> 00:53:21,719
control over this and then you realize I
1190
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:23,519
have to actually changed my life
1191
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,679
we've moved out of Miami we've taken
1192
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:27,750
measures to just
1193
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:31,739
you know sort of concentrated quality of
1194
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:34,139
life there's a lot of places where you
1195
00:53:31,739 --> 00:53:35,719
can live whether or not paparazzi you
1196
00:53:34,139 --> 00:53:38,309
don't have to be in the public eye
1197
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,589
there's ways to avoid the cameras and
1198
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:42,239
then they'll say well she's isolated she
1199
00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:43,470
lives a rarefied life she doesn't know
1200
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,229
she does have the human touch she's not
1201
00:53:43,469 --> 00:54:05,519
well I'm desperate to be like you and
1202
00:53:46,230 --> 00:54:06,900
you and you the problem always is that
1203
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,000
certain celebrities invite in the
1204
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:11,820
attention and so the response of the
1205
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,019
media is well we're getting cold they
1206
00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:14,910
should have an agreement you know the
1207
00:54:13,019 --> 00:54:16,800
reality that whether it's the Paris
1208
00:54:14,909 --> 00:54:17,549
Hilton's or the girls that don't have an
1209
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,530
issue with it
1210
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:20,910
the Jersey Shore's all of those
1211
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:22,200
television shows there should be an
1212
00:54:20,909 --> 00:54:28,619
agreement but that doesn't mean that
1213
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:30,569
everybody else is a free-for-all a lot
1214
00:54:28,619 --> 00:54:35,659
of the time they're told where to be and
1215
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:35,660
when it becomes kind of a game
1216
00:54:40,550 --> 00:54:45,690
tip you for don't give an information
1217
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:47,880
out indirectly what the client won't
1218
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:52,260
even know just to build more - there's
1219
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:55,340
supposed to that's their job you know
1220
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:55,340
Twitter has become another source
1221
00:54:57,929 --> 00:55:03,788
one time we had a source that was giving
1222
00:55:01,630 --> 00:55:04,750
us specific incredible information it
1223
00:55:03,789 --> 00:55:07,059
was almost if it was coming from
1224
00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:09,460
Angelina Jolie's mouth herself on when
1225
00:55:07,059 --> 00:55:12,369
Pete flew into Africa private little
1226
00:55:09,460 --> 00:55:14,139
resort we had three or four minutes to
1227
00:55:12,369 --> 00:55:17,460
get the picture that was bought in an
1228
00:55:14,139 --> 00:55:17,460
auction overnight by US magazine
1229
00:55:17,789 --> 00:55:21,278
unauthorized publicity definitely has a
1230
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:23,079
role in maintaining the star's
1231
00:55:21,278 --> 00:55:24,969
visibility and I think that today
1232
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:26,829
celebrities have learned to allow just
1233
00:55:24,969 --> 00:55:28,480
enough coverage so as to make it seem
1234
00:55:26,829 --> 00:55:29,619
like you are you know giving some of
1235
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,210
yourself but at the same time
1236
00:55:29,619 --> 00:55:33,278
maintaining some ones of privacy
1237
00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:35,440
I mean someone like Brad and Angelina
1238
00:55:33,278 --> 00:55:37,449
have a really meticulously maintained
1239
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,490
star image but they also allow slight
1240
00:55:37,449 --> 00:55:44,078
moments of authenticity that make them
1241
00:55:39,489 --> 00:55:46,659
interesting Angelina Jolie knows exactly
1242
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:49,059
the moment that you need to have this
1243
00:55:46,659 --> 00:55:50,739
particular part of her persona exposed
1244
00:55:49,059 --> 00:55:52,869
to the world this particular part of her
1245
00:55:50,739 --> 00:55:54,788
life exposed to the world and she's
1246
00:55:52,869 --> 00:55:56,410
brilliant at it you have to constantly
1247
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:59,019
be able to reinvent yourself and the
1248
00:55:56,409 --> 00:56:01,298
ones who stay before us really are the
1249
00:55:59,018 --> 00:56:03,699
ones who one way or another managed to
1250
00:56:01,298 --> 00:56:05,259
do something that keeps us interested in
1251
00:56:03,699 --> 00:56:07,719
fascinated that to me
1252
00:56:05,259 --> 00:56:09,068
smells celebrity double standards I
1253
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,139
don't agree with it I think it's
1254
00:56:09,068 --> 00:56:13,719
completely not only wrong like Angelina
1255
00:56:11,139 --> 00:56:15,460
Abed Pizza under my terms I'll put my
1256
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,169
children on the front of a magazine for
1257
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:18,809
15 million bucks but when you're
1258
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:21,430
photographing me in a public place oh
1259
00:56:18,809 --> 00:56:23,170
that's not on I don't understand that
1260
00:56:21,429 --> 00:56:25,149
that was a very interesting case we
1261
00:56:23,170 --> 00:56:26,409
worked with them for free they wanted
1262
00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:28,298
all the money to go to charities that
1263
00:56:26,409 --> 00:56:29,798
worked perfectly the value of an
1264
00:56:28,298 --> 00:56:31,659
exclusive image is very high because
1265
00:56:29,798 --> 00:56:34,150
that baby or that wedding hasn't been
1266
00:56:31,659 --> 00:56:35,528
photographed before so if we can work
1267
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:37,269
with the celebrities and get those
1268
00:56:35,528 --> 00:56:40,000
pictures out first it is a massive
1269
00:56:37,268 --> 00:56:41,108
disincentive to the paparazzi to chase
1270
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,579
after them because they're not going to
1271
00:56:41,108 --> 00:56:44,048
get a lot of money for the third picture
1272
00:56:42,579 --> 00:56:46,859
of the baby when the first pictures have
1273
00:56:44,048 --> 00:56:46,858
been published everywhere
1274
00:56:47,019 --> 00:56:55,759
publicity you know it's a game played
1275
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:58,369
for the benefit of everyone involved up
1276
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,840
to a certain point and that certain
1277
00:56:58,369 --> 00:57:01,840
point is where it gets dangerous
1278
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,599
drive out the garage a couple yards down
1279
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,829
the street 1 2 3 4 cars they've all be
1280
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,780
smokin cigarettes waiting for you to
1281
00:57:14,829 --> 00:57:19,420
come out jump in their cars and then
1282
00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:21,460
you're off the main car runs a yellow
1283
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:23,170
light everybody behind that person with
1284
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:25,150
ten cars running lights until it turns
1285
00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:27,159
green again then you find yourself
1286
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:27,880
driving kind of like crazy just to get
1287
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:29,379
away from them
1288
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,818
one in the front one in the back one on
1289
00:57:29,380 --> 00:57:32,588
the side you feel like a trapped rat
1290
00:57:30,818 --> 00:57:33,759
it's a matter of playing chicken either
1291
00:57:32,588 --> 00:57:36,328
you're gonna stop or you're gonna crash
1292
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,329
into the car
1293
00:57:41,449 --> 00:57:44,730
Nicole Richie's Gina was chased by
1294
00:57:43,619 --> 00:57:48,109
paparazzi and got in a car accident
1295
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:48,110
thank God her children are in the car
1296
00:57:56,849 --> 00:58:06,059
it can get really dangerous look what
1297
00:58:00,088 --> 00:58:07,558
happened to Diana reports say a vehicle
1298
00:58:06,059 --> 00:58:09,210
carrying the princess and her entourage
1299
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:11,009
was being chased by photographers
1300
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:12,778
several hours after the accident
1301
00:58:11,009 --> 00:58:14,338
French emergency services were still at
1302
00:58:12,778 --> 00:58:19,469
the scene cutting people from the
1303
00:58:14,338 --> 00:58:21,989
wreckage this is not a time for
1304
00:58:19,469 --> 00:58:23,488
recriminations but for sadness however I
1305
00:58:21,989 --> 00:58:25,559
would say that I always believed the
1306
00:58:23,489 --> 00:58:27,119
press would kill her in the end but not
1307
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,979
even I could imagine if there takes such
1308
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:31,048
a direct hand and had that seems to be
1309
00:58:28,978 --> 00:58:32,818
the case it would appear that every
1310
00:58:31,048 --> 00:58:34,380
proprietor and editor of every
1311
00:58:32,818 --> 00:58:36,170
publication that has paid for intrusive
1312
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:38,130
and exploited photographs of her
1313
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:39,509
encouraging greedy and ruthless
1314
00:58:38,130 --> 00:58:41,460
individuals to risk everything in
1315
00:58:39,509 --> 00:58:46,920
pursuit of Diana's image has blood on
1316
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:48,449
his hands today well if the publishers
1317
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,659
had blood on their hands today so do the
1318
00:58:48,449 --> 00:58:54,449
readers of those magazines after the
1319
00:58:51,659 --> 00:58:55,889
whole shock of her death people started
1320
00:58:54,449 --> 00:58:58,469
putting flowers outside Buckingham
1321
00:58:55,889 --> 00:59:01,259
Palace and several legitimate news
1322
00:58:58,469 --> 00:59:02,459
photographers were assaulted because
1323
00:59:01,259 --> 00:59:04,949
they were taking photographs of people
1324
00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:08,219
putting the flowers down the people who
1325
00:59:04,949 --> 00:59:11,578
assaulted them were the same people who
1326
00:59:08,219 --> 00:59:15,289
had bought the magazines that made her
1327
00:59:11,579 --> 00:59:17,249
image for valuable commodity
1328
00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:19,319
photographers would not have chased her
1329
00:59:17,248 --> 00:59:21,689
if they couldn't have got good money for
1330
00:59:19,318 --> 00:59:23,248
those photographs and it was the people
1331
00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:27,389
who were buying the magazines that was
1332
00:59:23,248 --> 00:59:29,338
ultimately supplying that money when
1333
00:59:27,389 --> 00:59:31,440
Princess Diana died it was a sense of
1334
00:59:29,338 --> 00:59:32,818
wow this is gonna change everything what
1335
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,420
was sort of the immediate impact in
1336
00:59:32,818 --> 00:59:36,028
England
1337
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:38,338
I think media interest in Princess Diana
1338
00:59:36,028 --> 00:59:40,829
and specifically her death led to a
1339
00:59:38,338 --> 00:59:44,369
change of culture the commercial demands
1340
00:59:40,829 --> 00:59:46,559
for those kind of photos fell but
1341
00:59:44,369 --> 00:59:48,210
unfortunately in the last few years as
1342
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,548
for younger Royals sources joined the
1343
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:54,170
family the media interest in them and
1344
00:59:50,548 --> 00:59:54,170
the intrusion is escalating again
1345
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:02,909
only maybe we party on Monday iconic
1346
00:59:58,210 --> 01:00:02,909
shops where the world was waiting for
1347
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:32,319
what I love about teaching history is to
1348
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:34,530
say well this isn't the first time this
1349
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,530
has happened
1350
01:00:35,099 --> 01:00:42,849
you can go back then show how it all
1351
01:00:38,019 --> 01:00:46,090
happened before Connie rich abundance of
1352
01:00:42,849 --> 01:00:48,639
antenna in Instagram Oh check the boon
1353
01:00:46,090 --> 01:00:49,809
to Sochi before it Estrada which is a
1354
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:52,379
more firm article about sushi grade
1355
01:00:49,809 --> 01:01:00,299
salmon delirium are you daughter Sheila
1356
01:00:52,380 --> 01:01:05,640
$40 machina boy no avail photography I
1357
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:11,260
presume on dopa if I'd the the Diana
1358
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:14,699
train perimeter substantial Rd great
1359
01:01:11,260 --> 01:01:14,700
monuments of paparazzi
1360
01:01:25,170 --> 01:01:29,039
Ross was pretty stubborn
1361
01:01:34,139 --> 01:01:41,969
I am a photojournalist it's an art you
1362
01:01:39,798 --> 01:01:44,250
know they're not journalists paparazzi
1363
01:01:41,969 --> 01:01:46,768
are people with a camera anyone can get
1364
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:48,210
a camera you can go to the drugstore and
1365
01:01:46,768 --> 01:01:49,288
buy a disposable camera now you're
1366
01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:51,119
taking pictures all of a sudden that's
1367
01:01:49,289 --> 01:01:52,769
journalism no way are they a journalist
1368
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,750
if they're allowed to do it if they're
1369
01:01:52,768 --> 01:01:55,739
allowed to chase you if they're allowed
1370
01:01:54,750 --> 01:01:56,969
if they're allowed to invade your
1371
01:01:55,739 --> 01:02:00,209
privacy and they know they're gonna make
1372
01:01:56,969 --> 01:02:02,068
money off of it they're not gonna stop I
1373
01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:03,720
just feel a photographer take a decent
1374
01:02:02,068 --> 01:02:05,038
photograph gonna learn your trade make
1375
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:06,929
some beautiful photographs like you know
1376
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:09,569
Irving Penn or some other now what you
1377
01:02:06,929 --> 01:02:12,028
do is just it's just crap it's crap it
1378
01:02:09,568 --> 01:02:13,949
must be frustrating it must be
1379
01:02:12,028 --> 01:02:16,559
frustrating what I think might be even
1380
01:02:13,949 --> 01:02:19,250
more frustrating is to never see a
1381
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,250
photographer again
1382
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:29,280
paparazzi are doing journalism they are
1383
01:02:26,579 --> 01:02:31,410
gathering information they are telling a
1384
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,950
story of some sort and disseminating it
1385
01:02:31,409 --> 01:02:33,949
to an audience
1386
01:02:34,619 --> 01:02:39,309
the First Amendment protects artists in
1387
01:02:37,869 --> 01:02:41,440
their ability to be creative and
1388
01:02:39,309 --> 01:02:44,590
sometimes risque and it also protects
1389
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,960
the paparazzi but it doesn't necessarily
1390
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:49,150
mean that it protects against each and
1391
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,309
every action there definitely are limits
1392
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:54,250
to free speech you don't get to publish
1393
01:02:51,309 --> 01:02:56,529
false things about somebody you don't
1394
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:59,829
get to publish obscenity child
1395
01:02:56,530 --> 01:03:02,230
pornography you do not get to invade
1396
01:02:59,829 --> 01:03:03,730
someone's privacy by shooting with the
1397
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:05,829
long telephoto lens into somebody's
1398
01:03:03,730 --> 01:03:09,219
bedroom the Supreme Court has said you
1399
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:11,409
don't get to do those things you tell me
1400
01:03:09,219 --> 01:03:12,909
this kind of behavior is covered by what
1401
01:03:11,409 --> 01:03:15,509
journalism should be covered ollie
1402
01:03:12,909 --> 01:03:15,509
that's just bull
1403
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:30,900
these people are behaving terribly it's
1404
01:03:27,489 --> 01:03:35,019
beyond rude and crude and unacceptable
1405
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:36,940
but it's very hard to legislate good
1406
01:03:35,018 --> 01:03:39,218
behavior I'm not somebody for more laws
1407
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:40,630
and more laws and more laws to say who
1408
01:03:39,219 --> 01:03:41,739
can shoot a picture and who can't and
1409
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:42,910
where they can put in what they can do I
1410
01:03:41,739 --> 01:03:45,039
mean that's part of the beauty of our
1411
01:03:42,909 --> 01:03:46,179
society is the freedoms but there's got
1412
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:48,430
to be something that we can stand up
1413
01:03:46,179 --> 01:03:49,808
morally as a culture and say hey that's
1414
01:03:48,429 --> 01:03:52,440
not cool taking picture that kid over
1415
01:03:49,809 --> 01:03:52,440
there cut it up
1416
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:59,098
I love to walk my son to school because
1417
01:03:57,329 --> 01:04:01,260
it's the time of day that he's very open
1418
01:03:59,099 --> 01:04:04,260
the whole world is interesting to him
1419
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:07,170
and to have long lenses aimed at you
1420
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:08,760
purposefully getting in your never mind
1421
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:13,829
your physical path but your emotional
1422
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:21,390
path it's actually a scary feeling like
1423
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:22,769
having sharpshooters aimed at you the
1424
01:04:21,389 --> 01:04:24,568
more intimate shots are the ones that
1425
01:04:22,769 --> 01:04:26,159
people criticize or why don't you leave
1426
01:04:24,568 --> 01:04:29,730
them alone and but there is a demand for
1427
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:32,039
it we just shoot and submit them into
1428
01:04:29,730 --> 01:04:34,858
the library it's up to the agencies the
1429
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:43,079
publication the TV networks the websites
1430
01:04:34,858 --> 01:04:45,989
and blogs wherever you read it or saw it
1431
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:47,760
ask to them why do they publish it cute
1432
01:04:45,989 --> 01:04:49,318
kids are popular and celebrities have a
1433
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,220
lot of cute kids a lot of women love to
1434
01:04:49,318 --> 01:04:52,219
look at you babies
1435
01:04:56,219 --> 01:04:59,459
now they're having covers of these
1436
01:04:58,108 --> 01:05:02,789
magazines it's like who's the cutest
1437
01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:05,880
Hollywood baby they haven't decided to
1438
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:09,119
become a famous person so you can't you
1439
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,588
can't do that to them there are so many
1440
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,240
outlets now to sell pictures of
1441
01:05:10,588 --> 01:05:14,250
celebrity kids and there's so much money
1442
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:15,899
to be made and it it's you can't even
1443
01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:17,639
argue with somebody about the ethics of
1444
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:19,380
it you know I can't explain to somebody
1445
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,480
I'm a high profile person but my son
1446
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:22,680
isn't and just because he's with me it's
1447
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,380
not like a handbag you know he's a
1448
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:32,179
person and it's worrisome yeah it's
1449
01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:34,650
really worrisome how's it going Britney
1450
01:05:32,179 --> 01:05:58,019
whoever flashed these lights my kid
1451
01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:59,670
again the thought is devastating to me
1452
01:05:58,019 --> 01:06:01,469
it's frightening it's terribly
1453
01:05:59,670 --> 01:06:02,670
frightening to me um well really just
1454
01:06:01,469 --> 01:06:04,529
may be really upset to think about that
1455
01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:09,269
right I mean have someone following your
1456
01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:13,619
children is it's entering a place that
1457
01:06:09,269 --> 01:06:15,929
just no one should be leave children out
1458
01:06:13,619 --> 01:06:18,390
of it they didn't ask to be famous and
1459
01:06:15,929 --> 01:06:19,679
they have their rights too you know the
1460
01:06:18,389 --> 01:06:22,108
kids ought to be doing the suing and
1461
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:24,199
that might be way legally to get some
1462
01:06:22,108 --> 01:06:26,299
traction on this
1463
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:28,219
there are very different laws of privacy
1464
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:31,070
by the English courts than the American
1465
01:06:28,219 --> 01:06:33,588
courts JKRowling port proceedings on
1466
01:06:31,070 --> 01:06:35,180
behalf of her very young son and it was
1467
01:06:33,588 --> 01:06:37,219
held that her son had a reasonable
1468
01:06:35,179 --> 01:06:38,929
expectation of privacy that he wouldn't
1469
01:06:37,219 --> 01:06:40,549
be followed around by photographers on
1470
01:06:38,929 --> 01:06:42,078
the street in the same way that any
1471
01:06:40,550 --> 01:06:43,730
ordinary child wouldn't be photographed
1472
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,859
by the paparazzi there was a landmark
1473
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:47,420
case because it established that the
1474
01:06:45,858 --> 01:06:49,730
children of famous people should be
1475
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:51,950
treated in the same way as the children
1476
01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:53,599
of Ottoman parents a three-year-old
1477
01:06:51,949 --> 01:06:55,088
suing me in court I think is wrong I
1478
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,260
mean I think it's absolutely ridiculous
1479
01:06:55,088 --> 01:06:58,639
the fact the matter is the JK rowling
1480
01:06:57,260 --> 01:07:00,170
case the only reason why I didn't lose
1481
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:01,549
the case she was just given the right to
1482
01:07:00,170 --> 01:07:02,809
go to a trial but it was you know you
1483
01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:04,760
take of the world's richest woman and
1484
01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:06,440
you know was David Nicolai in France
1485
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,349
they can't take a picture of my child
1486
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:12,130
it's real it's night and day if you
1487
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:14,510
compare Paris to the Sanjana Soni year
1488
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:16,400
here in the United States probably any
1489
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:18,800
judge under the law is going to say hey
1490
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,230
no you don't get to follow them wherever
1491
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,789
you know the very first case out there
1492
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:25,070
Jacqueline Kennedy had a lawsuit against
1493
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:27,650
wrangle Ella because she was concerned
1494
01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:30,829
for the safety of Caroline and young
1495
01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:32,269
John and she was able to get it declared
1496
01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:34,940
in New York that he had to stay a
1497
01:07:32,269 --> 01:07:38,838
certain distance away from those
1498
01:07:34,940 --> 01:07:41,300
children since then there's pretty much
1499
01:07:38,838 --> 01:07:43,789
been a truce around presidential
1500
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:44,930
children but I think it's a little bit
1501
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:48,039
different from what children of
1502
01:07:44,929 --> 01:07:48,039
celebrities experience
1503
01:07:48,179 --> 01:07:56,399
I remember it was night and it was
1504
01:07:53,460 --> 01:07:57,838
really cold so my thing that flash is
1505
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:01,619
gonna fail that's like two months three
1506
01:07:57,838 --> 01:08:03,358
months old so I I told my nan take take
1507
01:08:01,619 --> 01:08:04,769
her and when they were taking my picture
1508
01:08:03,358 --> 01:08:05,969
they were all over they didn't care they
1509
01:08:04,769 --> 01:08:08,219
pushed the baby they put another sheet
1510
01:08:05,969 --> 01:08:09,899
nearly went to the floor and then of
1511
01:08:08,219 --> 01:08:12,959
course I charged after the photographer
1512
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:16,679
I made sure the baby was okay and I was
1513
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:18,390
just so angry my child could have had a
1514
01:08:16,679 --> 01:08:20,399
really serious accident I mean when
1515
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:22,350
you're 2 or 3 on the street they think
1516
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,969
he could have stepped on her that just
1517
01:08:22,350 --> 01:08:29,159
ought to be illegal it's a little
1518
01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:34,739
criminal there should be certain rules I
1519
01:08:29,158 --> 01:08:36,929
think I just feel like it's an invasion
1520
01:08:34,738 --> 01:08:38,759
of privacy and that these kids really
1521
01:08:36,929 --> 01:08:42,420
don't need that kind of attention at
1522
01:08:38,759 --> 01:08:43,979
this point in their lives even if their
1523
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:45,149
mom or their dad is the famous one it
1524
01:08:43,979 --> 01:08:46,349
doesn't give them the paparazzi know
1525
01:08:45,149 --> 01:08:47,789
right that you want nothing to do with
1526
01:08:46,350 --> 01:08:52,020
it that's what if I was to say Evan
1527
01:08:47,789 --> 01:08:54,390
wants to see their kids don't do it hmm
1528
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:56,489
it's kind of sad but it's like it makes
1529
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:57,600
me more interested in what the kids are
1530
01:08:56,488 --> 01:09:00,769
doing because like that's the new
1531
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,770
generation of celebrities coming up
1532
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:16,319
the public has to take some degree of
1533
01:09:12,029 --> 01:09:18,509
responsibility and demand that these
1534
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:21,480
sort of photographs not be published
1535
01:09:18,509 --> 01:09:24,630
that they put pressure economic
1536
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,939
political social pressure on media
1537
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:29,509
entities to say we don't want this we
1538
01:09:26,939 --> 01:09:29,509
won't have it
1539
01:09:39,069 --> 01:09:48,270
I took a total of 289
1540
01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:56,110
here at Us Weekly we get about 750,000
1541
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,580
four million images a month the images
1542
01:09:56,109 --> 01:09:59,649
are coming at us from all different
1543
01:09:57,579 --> 01:10:01,510
angles and anybody whose eyes are
1544
01:09:59,649 --> 01:10:02,939
working will see about a thousand images
1545
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:05,230
a day we should be asking ourselves
1546
01:10:02,939 --> 01:10:08,079
what's happening in this photo where was
1547
01:10:05,229 --> 01:10:09,559
taken when it was taken context is
1548
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:13,430
everything
1549
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:16,310
we are drenched and piled over with
1550
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:20,210
media coverage I'm not gonna say it's
1551
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:22,370
good for us or bad for us it is what it
1552
01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:26,420
is and we're going to have to make the
1553
01:10:22,369 --> 01:10:27,800
best of it I mean we watch tabloid
1554
01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:29,449
magazine television shows and we buy the
1555
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,699
magazines and we're invested in reality
1556
01:10:29,449 --> 01:10:33,829
TV but we don't we don't have an
1557
01:10:31,699 --> 01:10:34,849
interconnectedness that is personal you
1558
01:10:33,829 --> 01:10:38,180
know that where we're sitting in front
1559
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:41,590
of each other it's become the disease of
1560
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:41,590
our culture celebrity
1561
01:10:49,158 --> 01:10:52,969
we are complicit in the driving of this
1562
01:10:50,988 --> 01:10:55,039
industry it's something that we should
1563
01:10:52,969 --> 01:10:57,139
think about we should analyze and what
1564
01:10:55,039 --> 01:11:02,529
we need to actually enact change is
1565
01:10:57,139 --> 01:11:04,699
action be aware
1566
01:11:02,529 --> 01:11:07,939
don't be naive about where these
1567
01:11:04,698 --> 01:11:10,009
pictures are coming from they sell it
1568
01:11:07,939 --> 01:11:11,689
because there's a market for it
1569
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:15,170
consider where are you going to place
1570
01:11:11,689 --> 01:11:15,888
value we don't have to watch it never
1571
01:11:15,170 --> 01:11:19,730
have to read it
1572
01:11:15,889 --> 01:11:21,050
I think I'll deal with myself I'm trying
1573
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:22,428
to be a little more conscious 17 have
1574
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:23,810
fun and you know see what's going on in
1575
01:11:22,429 --> 01:11:24,949
the celebrity world she needs to be a
1576
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:27,090
little more conscious about what's going
1577
01:11:24,948 --> 01:11:31,759
on in real world
1578
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:31,760
somebody in the army reads a celebrity
1579
01:11:31,889 --> 01:11:38,368
doctors that save lives teachers cops
1580
01:11:35,219 --> 01:11:41,899
firefighters you know that's a celebrity
1581
01:11:38,368 --> 01:11:41,899
they want to really get down to it
1582
01:11:43,449 --> 01:11:47,470
all I wanted when I got into this
1583
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:51,109
industry was make some money make a lot
1584
01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:57,079
of money make history
1585
01:11:51,109 --> 01:11:57,079
Bart wake up get out they're gonna get
1586
01:12:41,708 --> 01:12:44,399
she's
1587
01:12:51,448 --> 01:12:59,518
a member of the paparazzi for 150
1588
01:12:58,198 --> 01:13:01,498
dollars two people can hang out with
1589
01:12:59,519 --> 01:13:02,590
paparazzo Rick Mendoza he's hungry that
1590
01:13:01,498 --> 01:13:07,139
goes between
1591
01:13:02,590 --> 01:13:07,140
after she allegedly ran over his flat
1592
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:13,890
like Jesus Christ could come back a few
1593
01:13:12,329 --> 01:13:15,149
thousand years to give us a Polish and
1594
01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:16,950
somebody to get a picture and put it on
1595
01:13:15,149 --> 01:13:26,339
TMZ the first comment would be Jesus is
1596
01:13:16,949 --> 01:13:27,239
a fucking douchebag you know by me now
1597
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:29,369
is that against the law
1598
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:30,689
they get your points for that you have I
1599
01:13:29,369 --> 01:13:33,470
took three or four miles specially to
1600
01:13:30,689 --> 01:13:33,469
take that I got to get like
1601
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:44,949
my wife got path to JFK last night well
1602
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,839
I see a blonde with a Louis Vuitton bags
1603
01:13:44,949 --> 01:13:49,179
they were right in her face she was
1604
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:53,069
right in my face
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I just walked away like nothing happened
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you
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