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NARRATOR: Tonight on "Beyond Skinwalker Ranch."

STAN GORDON: Back in 1965, an object

came in about 4:47 PM over the Greater Pittsburgh area.

There was guys out there in dark suits.

STAN GORDON: The official explanation was the next day,

it was a bright meteor in the sky.

RON STRUBLE: They went to their death bed

stating that something did happen here in Kecksburg.

PETE KELSEY: I've got dead stick,

which is really concerning because I can't abort.

It's just freaking me out.

That's manmade earthwork.

It's impossible.

I mean, here we go again, right?

TRAVIS TAYLOR: This looks like it's just coming

out of the dadgum ground.

That shouldn't be there.

Whatever that is, it shouldn't be there.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We might have actually

found the real crash site.

I want my mommy.

NARRATOR: For years, scientists have

been working to reveal the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.

But is it possible that the clues

to unlock the mystery are located

beyond the borders of this hub of high strangeness?

Wow!

NARRATOR: Now, an ex-CIA agent and a veteran journalist

have been recruited by the Skinwalker team

to go on a high-stakes mission across America.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Look at all this activity that's happening.

PAUL BEBAN: That's unbelievable.

MAN: That is right over our heads.

That's it. That's it right there.

NARRATOR: The goal, uncover evidence that

may finally expose the truth.

MAN: How is this happening?

MAN: Now it's going to get interesting.

MAN: Look, it's moving! MAN: Look at that!

MAN: Look at that.

MAN: Whoa!

MAN: This is just the beginning.

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ERIK BARD: Andy, Paul, where are you about to take us?

So you've all heard of the Roswell crash.

Sure.

Who hasn't?

But have you heard of the Kecksburg crash?

Yes, I have.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Kecksburg, Pennsylvania--

Yes.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: --had a relatively well-known,

amongst our community, crash in 1965, that has really kind of

become an unanswered cold case.

Well, I'll confess.

Look, I've been hoping that we might engage this story.

You have?

I know a little bit about it, as does Travis.

And so this is really exciting.

So the story is that there is some kind of craft,

or space debris, or something that came down there,

acorn-shaped.

But what it is, or what it was, or what happened

remains really kind of shrouded in mystery.

There were a lot of witnesses at the time.

It got a lot of coverage, and then just sort of faded

from view under, it seems like, sort of a cloak

of secrecy and some cover up.

We have an opportunity now to go in Kecksburg

and see if we can't bring some of the most modern technology

that we have available to us to try

to answer the unanswered questions about what happened

in this location.

This sounds pretty ambitious.

We don't know what this thing is or how it worked or whatever,

right? - Right.

Was it really a UFO?

Was it a downed experimental craft that was being worked on?

Who knows what it could have been?

One asset that we feel like we've got going in here

is a guy named Stan Gordon, a guy who

was local to the area, who was really captivated by this

as a young man, and ever since has really

been sort of a clearinghouse of stories related to Kecksburg

and everything else.

He sounds like a real treasure trove of information

on this particular-- - For sure.

--area.

And the story may be bigger than Kecksburg itself.

And here's where we think it gets really interesting.

Kecksburg itself is located in an area

called the Chestnut Ridge.

And Chestnut Ridge is a 100-mile long subrange

of the Appalachians, where it turns

out there are reports of all kinds of high strangeness.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We're also going to see another site

that's called Livermore.

And Livermore is 45-minute drive, maybe

50 miles away from Kecksburg.

PAUL BEBAN: And the backstory of Livermore,

it's a historical-- it's sort of a pre-colonial settlement that

was flooded and effectively destroyed.

The story goes that there are reports

of UFOs, of strange lights, of strange noises,

of cryptids that seem to haunt the area.

The parallels between Skinwalker Ranch and the larger

Chestnut Ridge centered around Kecksburg

are just too many to ignore.

I think we have some ambitious plans for this.

Yeah.

Well, I feel like this is a topic where--

and an area where certainly an ambitious effort is warranted.

Yeah. Can't wait to see what you find.

Absolutely.

Right on.

PAUL BEBAN: We're excited to get out there.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Good luck, guys.

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NARRATOR: To kick off their investigation at Chestnut Ridge,

Andy and Paul meet with Stan Gordon near the supposed crash

site in Kecksburg to learn more about the alleged UFO

incident that occurred in 1965.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Thanks for having us.

Well, here we are in the shadow of the UFO itself.

STAN GORDON: Yeah, that's a replica

of what witnesses said they saw that night back in 1965.

PAUL BEBAN: I mean, this is the origin story

of this whole region, right?

I mean, this is where it all began.

STAN GORDON: This was the case that people remember and talk

about throughout this area in Pennsylvania

and even around the country. - Right.

Can you tell me what happened?

An object came in about 4:47 PM over

the greater Pittsburgh area.

The police departments, the radio and TV stations,

newspaper offices were jammed with phone calls

from people seeing this brilliant, fiery object.

The witnesses who saw this thing that afternoon

in this general area said it was moving very slowly,

almost like it was controlled.

And the people saw it go down said it did not come

down at a high rate of speed.

It came down almost like it was making a controlled landing.

And who issued this official report?

Was it local police?

Was it state police?

Who was the last word on this?

And it wasn't until 1987 when I was holding

a very large public display at the local mall,

and a man happened to walk by with his family.

And they said, I was on the search

team that found the object.

And what they found was not an aircraft.

And he said it was a large metallic acorn-shaped object

semi-buried in the ground.

NARRATOR: Although Stan and others have applied

for government records surrounding what actually landed

and was removed from Kecksburg, nothing substantial

has ever been released.

I think we just start with the impact site.

Can you take us to that location?

I can take you down to the wooded area

where the object fell.

And, uh, there's two other fellows

that I know from the local area who were witnesses that night

to different aspects of it.

And they can meet us down there in the woods.

Absolutely.

That sounds fantastic.

NARRATOR: With Stan in tow, Andy and Paul

now make the short drive to the outskirts of town

to the area suspected to be the UFO crash

site, although the exact location of the landing

remains a mystery.

Hey, good morning, gentlemen.

Good morning.

NARRATOR: They're met by eyewitnesses Bill Weaver and Ron

Struble to learn what the two men saw on the evening

of December 9, 1965.

Now, if I'm understanding correctly, then your research

and the witnesses that you've spoken to place the objects

basically in this wash.

Is that correct?

Correct.

And then the experience that you gentlemen had

confirms that this is the right patch of woods,

but neither of you know firsthand where it landed?

I was not down here, no.

I came after it landed.

It was a nice night.

I had the top down.

I was out for a ride.

I seen there were some people standing alongside the road

there, and I stopped.

They pointed back this way.

The police and the military, they were all over the place.

And there was guys out there in dark suits.

They were the ones that seemed to be in charge.

There was a large truck.

And out of that truck came a large box.

And they carried it down in the direction of where

this thing had come down.

So you were up on the road watching all this?

Yes.

You were not able to get down here?

I was not down here, no.

While we were standing there watching what was going on,

the state police and the military come up to us

and they told us, if you don't move,

we're going to confiscate your car.

And I figured I'd better move.

[laughter]

So I did.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Ron, what do you recall from that night?

Well, we looked out our bedroom window in Greensburg,

and we'd seen the orange streak in the sky.

Within 20 minutes, we were out here.

And the firemen was already up here with the, uh, road control

to make sure that nobody got down in here.

And I could see the military down in this hole.

I mean, that's a very fast response.

Right?

I mean, is there a military base nearby?

I'm suspicious that this is National Guard.

They'd be the first ones called in.

And then when I hear you talk about men in suits,

the first thing that comes to my mind

is some sort of administrative official, FBI.

That would have come from further, though.

That would have come from possibly Pittsburgh.

How did such a team converge on this location

in such a short period of time? - Yes.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Certain elements of this story just

aren't adding up.

If it really was some sort of catastrophic disaster

like an airplane crash or a meteor strike,

it would take a long time for those people

to get to the location.

I mean, instead, what this sounds

like is there was some sort of early warning system.

Somebody was watching this long before it ever

entered the atmosphere, and they were

able to project approximately where it would land.

That would give them enough of a head start

to get military and government in motion

to intercept the location and keep the public out.

In the beginning, I was kind of a--

I wasn't a believer.

But then later in life, I joined the fire service.

And, uh, during that period up until now,

I got to know the guys really well.

And, uh, they told me that they were here and some of them

drove the trucks, and they were here during the incident.

They went to their death bed stating that something

did happen here in Kecksburg.

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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Yeah, I feel like we have an opportunity

to do a survey of the area--

Yeah.

--with some of our equipment and see if we can't hone

in data-wise on something that might be anomalous in the area.

NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania,

with investigators Stan Gordon and two surviving eyewitnesses

at the site of a possible UFO crash in 1965,

that official reports said was a meteor strike.

They're now going to look for any

evidence that could shed light on this 60-year-old mystery.

We're just going to see if there's any sort of energy

signature or anything else we can find out

that might point more specifically to where this thing

might have come down.

NARRATOR: Andy and Paul will be using their spectrum

analyzer and radiation meter to survey the alleged landing site.

They're looking for any abnormalities on the radio

spectrum, specifically in the privileged 1.4 to 1.8

gigahertz frequencies, reserved for Earth-to-space and

space-to-Earth transmissions.

All right, are you seeing anything on the broad spectrum?

I'll tell you, it's very flat.

Tiny little peaks. ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow.

That's a quiet spectrum for sure.

PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.

NARRATOR: They're also testing for radiation levels

above 20 microgram, which is double

the average level in the US.

That could indicate some residual effects of the crash.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So far, radiation is also showing

very normal readings here.

PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, you can hear, Andy, nothing on the Geiger.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's all very consistent

down here as well, man.

PAUL BEBAN: Yep.

Anything above background?

No.

PAUL BEBAN: You know, I wonder, it feels like we need to do

some kind of broader survey.

There might be some evidence here that's in the landscape.

We might be able to identify the exact location where this acorn

landed, or potentially identify a location that

explains why it landed here.

Either it was here before and that's why it arrived,

or something that was left behind after the impact.

Yeah, it'd be nice for us to know what exactly did happen.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We'll see if we can't move the dial

and get some answers to those questions.

Pete, I'm happy to have you here, man.

We have got a mystery for you, for sure.

NARRATOR: Andy and Paul have called in Skinwalker veteran

Pete Kelsey with his expertise and technology

to conduct a thorough scan of the environment

surrounding the possible UFO landing

in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.

All I know is some kind of an impact site, right?

PAUL BEBAN: Right.

From what we understand through third-hand information,

the impact site might actually be in this

wash area right behind us.

PAUL BEBAN: It sounds like this thing came down in this area,

right in here.

We're not exactly sure where.

That's what we're hoping you can help us figure out.

Well, as you guys know, typically, the tools

that I bring have to do with physical evidence

right on the ground.

I brought all the usual suspects,

LiDAR and the SLAM scanner.

If one of you guys want to scan, I

can be watching the data coming in on the tablet in real time.

I'm happy to stomp around, sure.

NARRATOR: Handheld LiDAR, also known as a SLAM scanner,

uses laser light to map out an area.

It measures the time it takes for the laser to bounce back

after hitting an object and uses that

collected data to create a detailed

3D model of the environment.

I just want to make sure we see data and then you're off.

I'm good to go.

Here we go.

NARRATOR: LiDAR technology also has the ability

to strip away layers of vegetation

to visualize the topography of a site,

which can reveal areas not easily

detected by the naked eye.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We know we're looking for something

that happened in the past.

We have these dense woods.

And we need a piece of tech that allows us to scrape

away the layers of the currents in order

to get backwards in time.

And the SLAM scanner is exactly the kind of tool

to make that happen.

PETE KELSEY: So that's top down.

PAUL BEBAN: We've got a storm coming in.

We do not have a lot of time.

What do you think?

Come back around?

PETE KELSEY: Yeah, I would do a loop.

Right where you are, I would do a loop.

NARRATOR: With high winds and an approaching storm,

the team moves quickly to finish scanning

the alleged landing site.

Guys, are we good?

Good.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Well done, sir.

[laughs]

NARRATOR: Their next plan of attack

is to survey the area with drone LiDAR.

However, with snow starting to fall and high winds,

Pete is unable to safely fly the drone,

so they'll regroup the next day to continue their investigation.

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The next morning, there is snowfall and persisting winds.

But the team is determined to conduct

their drone LiDAR survey of the greater landing site area.

PETE KELSEY: As if this flight didn't make me

nervous enough, just because of the weather.

Got it.

This wind, I mean, there's a gust that's probably 25.

But we got to try.

We're here.

Maybe a little reckless, but curious.

All right.

We need the data, so if you can get it up,

Pete, that'd be greatly appreciated.

Let's go.

NARRATOR: Pete Kelsey will use drone LiDAR technology

to map the alleged UFO crash site with thousands of lasers

to create a topographical image of the area

and potentially uncover hidden information about exactly

where the UFO may have landed.

Take off.

NARRATOR: The drone's flight path is pre-programmed in a grid

pattern to cover the surrounding area near the purported crash.

It's really deceptive.

If it's blowing 30 down here, it's

probably blowing 45 up there.

All hot, straight and normal so far.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Clear, blue sky.

We've had three good passes already, Paul.

PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, so far, so good.

Are you kidding me?

OK.

Um.

What's going on, Pete?

Is it pausing?

Son of a [bleep].

Yeah, so I've got dead stick.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's not responding?

PETE KELSEY: Yeah, dead stick.

I've got no control of it.

But fortunately, it's hovering.

NARRATOR: The drone has stopped right

as it was about to survey the ravine, which is the supposed

location of the UFO landing.

I can't do anything.

Wait, so you can't even call it back?

No, I'm stuck, at the moment.

[bleep]

[bleep]

[music playing]

PETE KELSEY: Son of a [bleep].

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's not responding?

Yeah, dead stick.

I've got no control.

NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are with Skinwalker veteran Pete Kelsey,

who's using his drone LiDAR to help them potentially uncover

hidden information about exactly where the Kecksburg

UFO may have landed in 1965.

PETE KELSEY: I can't do anything.

Wait, so you can't even call it back?

No, I'm stuck.

[bleep]

NARRATOR: However, Pete lost all control of his drone right

when it flew over the suspected crash area.

Stranger still, all the diagnostics,

avionics, batteries, everything is OK, but it's unresponsive.

Unresponsive to you?

Yeah, which is really concerning

because I can't abort.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And it's also ignoring

its pre-programmed route.

PETE KELSEY: Yeah, that's right.

It just froze.

Uh, uh, uh, uh.

OK.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: What's it doing?

It's responding.

Forgive me, guys.

I'm going to--

I've got to abort.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Are you flying it home manually right now?

PETE KELSEY: Yeah, I've got out of the mission

because I don't trust it.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Have you seen that kind of phenomenon

happen with your drone before? - No.

What about on Skinwalker Ranch?

Never.

NARRATOR: In order to preserve whatever data has been obtained,

as well as for the safety of the drone and those around it,

the flight has been cut short.

PETE KELSEY: Because it's been acting weird,

let's be extra diligent on the landing here.

OK.

PETE KELSEY: Because if it goes rogue, that's pretty dangerous.

What would explain that, Pete?

What could have happened there?

Oh, I wish I knew, man.

I mean, that-- sorry, I'm just a little bit rattled

because that's my livelihood.

[soft chuckles] - Yeah.

Yeah.

And it just sort of did what it wanted to

rather than what I was telling it to.

The good news is it's been scanning the whole time.

So the scanner ran even though it was just sitting out there,

so we should have data. - OK.

PAUL BEBAN: At least partial data.

- Yeah. - OK.

Data that we can compare against this valley

and against the actual crash site.

Well, I would love to get eyes on the data

that you were able to collect, see if that can't

point us in the next direction.

- I'm going to get busy on that. - OK.

Thanks, Pete.

NARRATOR: While Pete processes the data from both LiDAR surveys

of the Kecksburg crash site, Andy and Paul

will now look into another hot spot

25 miles northeast along the Chestnut Ridge, the abandoned

town of Livermore, to investigate an even older

mystery, which might shed light on whether the Kecksburg

crash was caused by some greater anomaly in the region.

They're here to meet Ron Murphy, a historian and investigator

of the Livermore phenomena.

All right, let's go check it out.

Let's check it out.

RON MURPHY: This is Livermore.

It used to be a fairly big town at one time,

if you can believe it.

This is right after the French and Indian War, OK?

So this is kind of the people that were living

out in the middle of nowhere.

It's the frontier.

This was definitely the frontier.

There's a lot of things associated with, like, lights

and things that are related to elemental type of beings

that are seen around here.

One of the first times I've ever encountered one of these Earth

lights was actually down here.

You have personally?

I have personally, yes.

NARRATOR: "Earth lights" are the local term

for ground level orb sightings, frequently

encountered in the area.

It was about 10 o'clock at night.

My buddy and I, we were coming to this very bridge.

And we went out to the center of the bridge

until we turned from the bridge and looked back here.

And right at the opening, we see a light emanate.

It stayed on for maybe a second or two

and then it just faded out.

Back in the late 1700s, there was said

to be a witch that lived here, and then

things started going wrong.

Crops were failing, right, or babies are born deceased.

So something was going on.

You have to blame the witch, right?

That's what everybody does.

They grab her, put her onto a pole, and they burn her.

And as the flames lap up around her, she screams out,

I'm going to set a flood 100 years from this day to quench

these flames about me.

And that was May 31, 1789.

May 31, 1889, the Johnstown flood comes through here

and destroys the town.

I want to point out, there's multiple floods that

came through to the point that the Army Corps of Engineers

decided, we are going to put a dam in

and these places that lie on the outlying areas

are just going to be flooded out.

PAUL BEBAN: So the town of Livermore

was destroyed by the flood-- RON MURPHY: Uh huh.

PAUL BEBAN: --and then permanently submerged

once the flood control project? RON MURPHY: Yes, sir.

Right here.

There's a lot below the surface.

Yeah, it's wild, man.

Now that I'm standing here and hearing the stories,

hearing about the curses, hearing about just

spooky and creepy history of this place, not to mention Ron's

reaction to his own personal experiences here,

I really can't help but wonder if I'm standing on a Skinwalker

Ranch that's buried underwater.

I'm curious about where you had this encounter.

RON MURPHY: Well, right here is where it was.

- Started right here? - Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

How do you describe the Earth light?

Just emanated, right?

It just turned on.

And it just kind of expanded and flickered off into nothing.

Often in conjunction with these lights that we see,

preceding the lights appearing is the sound of wind chimes.

It's tonal.

So it's usually about three tone.

I don't play music or anything like that.

One is almost like an establishing tone.

The other one is a bit higher to the ear.

And the other one is just a little bit

lower than the establishing tone, if that makes any sense.

- So it precedes the phenomenon? - It precedes the phenomenon.

Yes, sir.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And you've heard that?

I have. Oh, no, I've heard it.

Yeah, absolutely.

Heard it, witnessed it, and everything like that, yes.

- On more than one occasion? - On more than one occasion.

Yes, sir. Yeah.

And there's nothing out here.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: What would make any kind of sound out here,

especially a metallic sound like a wind chime?

I wonder if we can try to recreate something for him

and see if we, you know, can hit on it.

I agree.

PAUL BEBAN: All right, let's go.

[music playing]

Ron, this is our setup.

What do you think? - It's impressive.

I don't know what any of this stuff means,

but it's awesome-looking. Yeah.

NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are on a bridge above the flooded town

of Livermore with local historian and investigator

Ron Murphy, who has witnessed orb phenomena referred

to as Earth lights, that have been preceded

by a sequence of sounds.

PAUL BEBAN: So Andy and I have worked with tones many times,

usually using them to try to trigger

something in the environment.

My question is, is this going to have some kind of new effect

on this environment?

Was that a trigger that Ron experienced?

Was it sort of a harbinger of that event?

I mean, we just have no idea how this is going to play out.

So our UFODAP'S over here, stacked

up one on top of the other.

It is actually an extra set of eyes in the sky.

And those are the green dots that you see out

there flashing on the bridge. - Nice.

We also have a directional antenna.

Any radio signals, any frequencies

that we see that may be coming anywhere in the area,

we can actually hone in and zoom in on it with that antenna.

Meanwhile, we have our Moonraker antenna here,

which is connected to a spectrum analyzer, which is picking up

radio signals from all around.

This gives us the ability to see if we're catching anything

in the big net, and then, as Andy said, home in on it,

pinpoint maybe what direction it's coming from

and figure out what the source is.

Very impressive.

I'm kind of excited to start seeing

if we can't poke around a bit.

Yeah, let's, uh, play some tones, I think.

NARRATOR: Earlier this season, the team

played back an audio tone, replicating the sound

of the infamous Taos Hum--

- Look at this. - Whoa.

NARRATOR: --and seemed to elicit a response

on their spectrum analyzer in the privileged zone.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Look at how it's changing.

PAUL BEBAN: Wow.

NARRATOR: Now, using their tone generator,

Andy and Paul will mimic the three-tone sound Ron reported

hearing before seeing an orb to see

if they can trigger some sort of response from the environment.

And, Ron, you mentioned that you heard a series of tones,

right?

Yeah.

And the tones preceded--

RON MURPHY: Preceded the arrival of the orbs.

I'm going to manually go through the tones.

RON MURPHY: OK.

I want you to stop me when you feel

like we're in the right region.

All right.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And I'm calling on you

to remember a sound, which is oftentimes difficult, but--

- OK. - All right, here we go.

OK.

[low tone sound]

Right about there.

[tone continues]

Right about there.

That's very close to the initial ding that we heard

and that what sounded like the wind chimes.

That right there is about-- and then it went higher,

and then it went lower than that initial 210.

Any way to play them in consecutively?

Let's give it a whirl.

NARRATOR: Meanwhile, they will monitor the spectrum analyzer

for any spikes in the privileged 1.4 to 1.8

gigahertz radio frequency zone reserved

for earth-to-space and space-to-earth transmissions.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: All right.

But this is our baseline right now.

Steady.

Quiet.

[low tone sounds]

Pretty close to that?

Pretty close to it.

Pretty close.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Holy smokes!

- Look at that. - Wow.

Oh, look at how strong.

This activity that's happening here, just under 1.6.

1.57.

NARRATOR: Andy will now listen in on the 1.57 gigahertz signal

they've seemingly triggered to see what

communication is occurring.

[tone sounds]

[excited laugh] These sound like wind chimes, man.

PAUL BEBAN: Kind of do.

It sounds very tonal.

[tones continuing]

RON MURPHY: It's just freaking me out.

The bass tone, the higher tone, the lower tone,

that's exactly what I heard.

Exactly what I heard.

PAUL BEBAN: There's so many layers of strangeness.

The first we heard of these three tones

was that Ron heard them preceding this other series

of events, these lights.

So we tried to match those tones on the tone generator.

We think we got pretty close.

Ron said, yeah, that sounds like it.

Now we're getting some strange signals and radio frequency

that shouldn't be there.

They sound like the tones, too.

Is one triggering the other?

Is there some kind of relationship

here that we just don't understand?

This is really getting interesting.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So you know what I'd love to do,

Paul, is I'd love to do a sweep of 360 degrees--

Yup.

--in our 1.6 gigahertz range.

OK.

NARRATOR: After finding strange radio frequencies

in the privileged zone, the team will now use their log

periodic antenna in an attempt to zero

in on the source of the signal they just triggered

using the tone generator.

By rotating the log periodic antenna 360 degrees,

it can isolate and hone in on the exact direction

a radio signal is coming from.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So you can see that there's some activity here

at about 1.6.

If we see a spike, when he starts to move this,

then that's interesting.

All right.

All right, here we go.

I'm going to go clockwise.

Stop, Paul. Stop, Paul.

Stop.

Go back.

And cross through that same zone again.

There it is. PAUL BEBAN: That's it.

RON MURPHY: Oh, wow. Yeah.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: See it all come to life?

RON MURPHY: I do, I do.

You can see all this activity come to life over here

as Paul crosses through this zone.

So two massive questions come to mind for me right now.

What is causing radio energy in this direction--

Right.

--question number one?

Question number two, why is it transmitting

energy at 1.6 gigahertz?

RON MURPHY: Right.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: This is a block of frequency that's reserved.

It's all earth-to-space, space-to-earth communications.

OK.

This is most definitely the heart of the energy.

What's in this direction, Ron?

- No way. - Yeah.

Kecksburg is this direction.

Oh, absolutely.

Yes, yes, yes.

That is wild, man.

This mystery signal is coming from the direction

of the mystery event in 1965.

So we've got a signal coming from Kecksburg

that seems to literally end at this bridge.

I mean, I thought Kecksburg was interesting, right?

But now that we've been here as well, I mean,

there is something happening here in Chestnut Ridge.

[music playing]

NARRATOR: Andy and Paul return to Kecksburg

to learn Pete Kelsey's handheld and drone

LiDAR results from the possible UFO crash site.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Pete, I'm really

excited to see these results.

I mean, it's taken quite a bit of work and adventure

to get to this point.

Yeah, I mean, we've really been fighting the elements

every step of the way here.

NARRATOR: They're joined by Chestnut Ridge investigator Stan

Gordon and retired Kecksburg fire chief

and UFO eyewitness Ron Struble.

Well, you guys saw what happened with the drone LiDAR.

Absolutely.

Yeah, so I've got dead stick.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's not responding?

I've got no control.

I can't do anything.

Wait, so you can't even call it back?

No, I'm stuck.

This gives you a good look at the extent of the data

that I was able to capture from the air before it stopped.

This is where it stopped, this farthest point away.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Which is also in the same vicinity as where

you reported the actual craft itself crashing

or landing in that valley.

PAUL BEBAN: The failure happened before it

even got over the ravine.

It's still just making its way across that big, open field,

getting to the ravine, and then--

Something pulled that drone off course.

Something confused that drone before it

could even get to the target spot where we were looking.

Maybe, yeah.

Who knows?

We also did a ground-based LiDAR,

so we should have more data from the ravine itself that

we collected on the ground.

PETE KELSEY: So that looks like this.

Look at this right here.

I cut my teeth in civil engineering and land surveying.

That's manmade earthwork.

Because it's level against this otherwise very steep slope.

Straight lines, right angles, those kind of things

do not occur in nature, right?

And then when you rotate the view, like I've done here,

and you see it has a level bottom?

PAUL BEBAN: I mean, this is right where we were walking.

Right where you pointed us toward

is this evidence, 60 years later, of that impact.

We looked at it with our own eyes.

There's no level ground down there.

So that's a remnant of something that's no longer visible.

It was something I was going to ask.

Was there heavy equipment in here

that would have had to been--

whatever it was, was it carted out?

Yes?

There were two military flatbed tractor trailers

on the scene that night.

What I understand is this, you could

not take that tractor trailer right down to the impact site.

They had to winch it over.

A crane would need a level spot.

Yes.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: When you compare Pete's LiDAR data

about what he is seeing in this ravine,

and you contrast it with what Stan has reported,

his research has shown about what happened here in Kecksburg,

you really start to see corroborating evidence that

speaks to the fact that there really

may have been something that happened at a specific point

in this ravine.

This is really just a few feet away from where

Paul and I took baselines.

This is worth going back and researching,

whether or not there is actually a difference between the rest

of the ravine and this specific point that Pete has identified.

How does this make you guys feel?

It gives us a little bit of hope

that maybe someday we'll know what happened in Kecksburg.

There were so many people involved.

And so many people Ron knew, people I talked to, many of them

went to their grave not knowing the truth.

They all stuck by their story.

Many of them took a lot of ridicule.

And, uh, they deserved to know the truth.

NARRATOR: Armed with new data detailing a potential manmade

feature only 20 feet away from where the team originally

investigated the rumored location of the 1965 UFO

landing, Andy, Paul, and Pete decide

to go back to replicate their experiments in the exact spot.

This is it right here.

Up there, yeah.

You see how it feels like a pad and sort of leveled out?

And then it sort of ends abruptly right there.

NARRATOR: On their initial visit to the alleged location

of the UFO crash, less than 20 feet away,

there was zero activity on the radio spectrum.

I'll tell you, it's very flat.

Tiny little peaks.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow. It's a quiet spectrum for sure.

PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.

NARRATOR: Now they'll check the radio spectrum, at the newly

discovered area of interest.

I'll pop the RF scanner.

There's a peak at 1.638.

Are they significant peaks?

Oh, yeah, look at that.

Yeah.

1.74.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: That's not the same spectrum that we saw when

we were here the first time.

Right.

So, yeah, we've moved, what, 20 feet.

Totally different spectrum.

That's strange.

PAUL BEBAN: The one difference from here to there

is this is what it was indicated on the LiDAR

as something unusual that maybe suggests that this

is the actual impact site.

But that would not explain how it could have such

a different radio signature--

[laughs] with nothing in between here and there.

Unless it's hyper-localized, unless it exists here

and doesn't exist over there, we could

take the spectrum analyzer right over

there and find out right now. - Yeah, that--

I mean, how could that be--

how could the signal differ across--

It shouldn't.

--such a short distance?

We can test it.

We can take it right over there and see if that same signal

is present right now.

OK.

Let's just walk it up.

[music playing]

Look.

It actually did completely change.

Wow!

Pete, look at this.

It actually did completely change.

It's totally different.

It's dead.

It's a completely--

Completely flat.

--different signal.

Look at that.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We've gone, what, 20 feet?

That's unbelievable.

PETE KELSEY: That's, like, not within the realm of possible,

right?

No, no.

That makes-- I'm--

[laughs]

I'm stunned.

I want my mommy.

[laughter]

This doesn't make any sense.

How is there a radio signal in one place

that doesn't exist just a few feet away?

That's not how radio energy works.

That's not how frequencies work.

The only reason that we were brought here

was because of Pete's LiDAR data.

And now that we're here, we're getting even more evidence that

suggests that there really was something

strange that happened on this spot,

in this ravine in Kecksburg.

We might have actually found the real crash site.

That might explain why we have so many localized anomalous

readings right here that we don't see

anywhere else in this valley.

Thanks, Pete, for pointing that out in the LiDAR.

We would have never found this otherwise.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is a great find.

Amazing.

Yeah, we've got to share this with Travis and Erik.

Absolutely.

[music playing]

ERIK BARD: Well, guys, welcome back to the ranch.

I want to hear about your findings at Chestnut Ridge.

I think it exceeded our expectations.

Mhm.

But it left so many more questions than answers.

If you recall, we went out there first

to dig into what happened in Kecksburg in 1965, the reported

landing or crashing of some sort of acorn-shaped object

from the sky.

So we called in Pete Kelsey.

And Pete was able to run aerial LiDAR

and walk a ground-based SLAM scanner along with us

so that we could really saturate the area with data.

And then when we did get Pete's results--

Yeah.

--they were really quite telling.

So Pete's actually waiting online to give us a walkthrough

of what he discovered.

Pete, you got me, man?

Hey, Andy. How are you?

Hey, good to see you, sir.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Hey, Pete.

Hey, everybody's there.

Do you have the LiDAR results from the SLAM scanner nearby?

PETE KELSEY: Yeah.

So this is the SLAM scanner data.

If I rotate past horizontal, this right here, I mean,

right away was like, OK, that's unusual.

I mean, literally a rectangle of graded level ground.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: OK, yeah, I see.

Why is it level?

PETE KELSEY: It just suggests made earthworks.

ERIK BARD: Oh, yeah.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: But, uh, this looks

like there's some sort of excavation

that took place in that spot.

And for there to have been so many

witnesses that led you to that spot,

it really is very, uh, suspect.

Yeah.

Um, one other thing I'd like to show you.

So this has me shaking my head, my friends, again,

because we've got data underground.

See this?

ERIK BARD: There it is.

That's clearly below ground right there.

How far underground is that?

PETE KELSEY: Oh, at 100 feet.

It's impossible.

I mean, here we go again, right?

Lasers can't see through solid ground.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Now, see, that tells us

that the computer system in the LiDAR

believes that those particular points

took longer to get back to the receiver than it actually did.

Yeah, that data identifies a very unique point in space

and time during the scan that is exceptional to,

you know, versus everything else.

PETE KELSEY: You know, where have we seen this before?

We've seen it at the Highway 350 bridge at Miller Ranch.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Triangle.

PETE KELSEY: We've seen it at Skinwalker Ranch.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Mhm.

Yeah, that's right.

Maybe we're on to something that nobody's

ever really figured out before.

To my knowledge, this is probably

the first time anybody's ever done a LiDAR measurement there.

Any place that I get LiDAR returns underground,

that's interesting.

Thanks, Pete.

Thank you, guys.

It made us ask ourselves the question

in that specific depression, that site

that Pete's LiDAR found, what else

could we measure in that site?

So we went back down there and we took an RF spectrum analyzer.

We are literally standing in the indented site

that Pete identified in his data.

PAUL BEBAN: There was a peak at 1.638.

- Look at that. - Yeah.

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: That's not the same spectrum that we saw when

we were here the first time. PAUL BEBAN: Right.

Totally different spectrum.

That's strange.

And this is the spectrum analyzer, readings that we're

getting, which are completely different than the baseline

readings we got in the ravine earlier

when we first arrived to Kecksburg.

PAUL BEBAN: Tiny little peaks. ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow.

It's a quiet spectrum for sure. PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.

Where was the ravine in relation to this point?

ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We're going to show you here.

We can test it.

We can take it right over there and see if that same signal

is present right now.

OK.

Let's just walk it up.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: [laughs] Pete's like--

[laughs] look at him.

ERIK BARD: Pete's expression says it all.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: I can see the confusion through his shades.

ERIK BARD: Yes.

He's like, what?

PAUL BEBAN: Because we're walking, what-- you can see--

20 feet?

ERIK BARD: Yeah.

OK.

Look at that.

It actually did completely change.

Wow!

Pete, look at this.

It actually did completely change.

It's totally different.

It's dead.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: See, that right there is fantastic data.

Look at that.

We've gone, what, 20 feet?

That's unbelievable.

So I'd like to stop you here and ask a question.

[laughs]

What I just watched was contiguous footage?

PAUL BEBAN: Mhm. Yup.

There was no cut.

There was no editorial process there.

That is correct.

Physically walked, in my hand, 20 feet.

That's it.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: You dropped, uh, 55 dB in 20 feet.

I mean, you've got the numbers right here.

55 dB, that's ginormous change.

PAUL BEBAN: Orders of magnitude.

Many orders of magnitude change.

And here's another piece that should be the opposite of this.

You guys were down in a hole.

PAUL BEBAN: Right. - Right?

In a ravine.

And you walked uphill.

The signal should have got stronger as you walked uphill

because there's less terrain blocking from wherever it could

be coming from, unless it's coming from down there

in that hole.

What is this signal doing there?

That doesn't add up.

That-- that is just too much.

Here on the ranch when we get it,

we usually see some kind of phenomena occur.

We see something we expect, OK, somehow or other,

the source is with whatever this is, or this is causing it.

It's a byproduct or something.

This looks like it's just coming out of the dadgum ground.

Right.

Or it's a beam coming from somewhere

else hitting the ground.

So this is-- that shouldn't be there.

Anyway, whatever that is, it shouldn't be there.

Either we've got something active,

something energizing that space in the RF today,

and for who knows how long, or we've got some kind of residual

from the event.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: So what you have shown

is there is something very odd about that particular point

in Kecksburg.

ERIK BARD: You're talking about getting

concrete evidence of something-- what did you say, 60 years?

PAUL BEBAN: 60 years ago.

Did a little beacon fall off of whatever that acorn-shaped

thing was and it's still--

A 60-year battery.

--with a 60-year--

yeah, right?

I'm thinking right now of all sorts of different things

that we need to go back and do.

This place, to me, is absolutely fascinating and bizarre.

I mean, I would love to say that we're

scratching the surface.

I feel like we're just tapping on the surface.

Yeah, yeah.

The more and more you guys do, the more and more

we realize we don't know.

That's exactly what I was feeling.

Good work, guys.

I didn't think you were going to come back

with this, that's for sure.

PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.

Neither did we.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Yeah, can't wait to see what you guys do next.