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MOCEAN MELVIN: Tonight on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch--

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: There really is something

about this area that points to all the same telltale signs

of a portal.

You've never seen this before?

Never seen it like that before.

That is a massive--

Look at that thing.

--massive rocket.

That is taller than you, Allen.

4, 3, 2, 1.

Oh!

[rocket whooshing]

MOCEAN MELVIN: For years, scientists

have been working to reveal the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.

But is it possible that the clues

to unlock the mystery are located

beyond the borders of this hub of high strangeness?

Wow!

MOCEAN MELVIN: Now, an ex-CIA agent and a veteran journalist

have been recruited by the Skinwalker team

to go on a high stakes mission across America.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Look at all this activity that's happening.

PAUL BEBAN: That's unbelievable.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: That is right over our heads.

That's it! That's it right there!

MOCEAN MELVIN: The goal-- uncover evidence that

may finally expose the truth.

MAN 1: How is this happening?

MAN 2: Now it's going to get interesting.

MAN 3: Look, it's moving!

Look at that!

[screaming]

MAN 4: This is just the beginning.

[music playing]

ERIK BARD: Paul and Andy, tell us what you got for us.

Well, I think what we want to do

is talk to you about why we want to go back to someplace

we found so interesting.

And you may recall Rocky Mountain Ranch.

Oh, yeah. PAUL BEBAN: Yeah?

Rocky Mountain Ranch first came across our radar

when we were reading the book Hunt for the Skinwalker.

ERIK BARD: Yes.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Inside that book,

there's a ranch referenced in Colorado,

but the ranch is anonymized in the book.

We were able to actually uncover the true location of it

and connect it back to researcher, Katie Paige, who was

actually a child on that ranch.

And a big part of her experience there

is what led her to become a well respected UFO researcher.

Now, we went there and we took Katie back to the ranch

the first time in 40 years?

- 40 years-- - Wow.

--at least.

There was just such an abundance of data that came out of this.

We have a lot of jumping off points to go back to.

MOCEAN MELVIN: During the 2023 investigation,

while exploring an area on Rocky Mountain Ranch that has been

a hotspot of activity, Andy and the current owners

heard the strange humming sound that Katie reported

hearing as a young girl.

WOMAN: What is that noise?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: That doesn't sound like a plane or a drone.

That's a pitched hum.

MOCEAN MELVIN: This led the team to conduct rocket tests.

Something caused the first rocket to go wildly off course

from its normal flight path.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Greg, is that it?

Is that it? GREG: Yeah, there it is.

Holy [bleep].

What's it doing over here?

GREG: Wow.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: This is way off course.

MOCEAN MELVIN: The second rocket failed in mid-air.

[rocket whooshing]

The team speculated that this might

have been caused by passing through an aerial anomaly.

MAN 5: It's like it hit a wall up there.

MAN 6: She's dropping.

[music playing]

TRAVIS TAYLOR: And this thing tumbled?

- Yes. - Like it hit something, yeah.

ERIK BARD: Yes.

There was a noticeable bump.

Of all the findings from that site,

which did you consider to be the ones that

warranted the most follow up?

Our goal is to dig into three different locations.

Those locations are what we call the tree line

to the northern side of the property,

the location where our rocket actually fell out of the sky--

that's the second location we want to explore.

And then the cistern, the area where we first heard that hum.

That's a heck of a list. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yeah.

PAUL BEBAN: Absolutely. All right.

All right, guys. Well, good luck.

Thanks.

Thank you.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: We'll see you when you get back.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Appreciate it.

[music playing]

MOCEAN MELVIN: Due to the sensitive nature

of this investigation, the current owners of Rocky Mountain

Ranch have asked for their names and location

to be kept anonymous.

[music playing]

PAUL BEBAN: I'm really excited to be coming

back to Rocky Mountain Ranch.

I mean, our first investigation here totally

blew me out of the water.

Yeah.

For all the data we collected, we barely scratched the surface.

And the remote viewers are just one example.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Andy and Paul want

to revisit data collected during their first investigation

at Rocky Mountain Ranch.

They worked with a former US Army Special

Operations officer, David Morehouse, an expert

in remote viewing.

We assembled 70 remote viewers from

six different countries that produced over 3,000 data points.

MOCEAN MELVIN: This controversial surveillance

technique was first developed in 1972 by the US defense

intelligence agency, and used since the Cold War

to spy on enemies.

Andy and Paul believe this data may

help to provide more insight into the anomalies at the ranch.

I think this is a great opportunity

to dig deeper into those targets and see what

we might be able to understand about what's

going on at this place.

We have a lot of work ahead of us,

and I think what we can do here is you should go to the ranch

and talk to Katie.

And then I'll start with David Morehouse

and try to get some more information about how we can

really make the best use of this massive amount of information

that the remote viewers have drawn up for us.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: All right, man, this looks like your stop.

PAUL BEBAN: Perfect.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Good luck with Dr. Morehouse.

Thank you.

Say hi to Katie, and I'll see you soon.

You got it. All right, buddy.

[music playing]

David, it's so exciting to be working with you again.

I feel like we learn so much from you last time.

I'm really excited to have you back.

Thanks, Paul.

MOCEAN MELVIN: David Morehouse was one of the first trainees

in the government remote viewing program called Project Stargate.

Over the past few decades, he has trained over 23,000 students

in 16 different countries.

Just remind us, what exactly is remote viewing?

How does it work?

The best sound bite I ever heard for that--

or the best description that was an elevator pitch for it--

was allegedly put together by Admiral Stansfield

Turner when he was the director of the Central

Intelligence Agency.

He said that this is a learned ability

to enter an altered state of consciousness,

to transcend space and time, to view persons, places, events

and things remote in space and time,

and to gather and report intelligence

information on the same.

So remote viewing is just another tool

all in the investigative toolbox to try to get to the bottom

of some of these mysteries?

Absolutely.

MOCEAN MELVIN: For this assignment,

the remote viewers were given a target map faded to 3% opacity,

keeping the location and topography of the ranch hidden.

The team of psychics then drew pictures and wrote down

what they sensed happened on the property over the past 50 years.

The final results were collected by Dr. Morehouse

and grouped together as data points on a map of the ranch.

All of these blue orbs that you see

here, those are plotted points.

Now, they're not being represented three dimensionally,

but all of these points stack up.

Are you saying that these dots are at different altitudes

above the ranch? - Absolutely.

OK.

Because right away when I'm looking at this--

I mean, this cluster right here, this

is where we had our big instrument rocket go down.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: Yeah.

Where we literally thought this thing

hit something in space.

And you're saying this is the cluster that is distributed

through that altitude?

Right.

This is an enhanced sketch of what they're

seeing at that sense point.

18 viewers sketched versions of this in different ways.

Not every viewer is necessarily a good artist or a good sketch,

so that's why viewers are taught to probe and label the sketches.

So the descriptors of this is that energy

is pouring out of one portal, down through another portal.

And then it is spilling heavily out in the ranch

and the surrounding area.

PAUL BEBAN: OK.

And it was described as a wall of hardened energy,

a downward flow of force that was spilling over the ranch

and the surrounding area.

PAUL BEBAN: When that rocket malfunctioned,

I feel like one of us actually said it's

like it hit a wall up there.

I mean, that's remarkable.

Yeah.

[music playing]

MOCEAN MELVIN: While Paul continues

to discuss the findings from the remote viewers,

Andy meets with Katie Paige and current resident Nicole

to get briefed on new revelations

since the last time they were on the ranch.

[music playing]

- Hey, Nicole. - Hey.

How's it going? - It's good.

It's good to see you again. - Yeah, you too.

Welcome back. - Thank you.

Hey, buddy. KATIE PAIGE: Hey.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Good to see you again, Katie.

KATIE PAIGE: Good to see you. - You remember Nicole?

I do. Hi, Nicole.

- Hey, Katie. - How are you?

Thanks for having me back.

NICOLE: Of course.

This is Oscar.

KATIE PAIGE: Hi, Oscar.

How does it feel for you coming back a second time?

It feels OK in the daytime, but I still

have those butterflies being back here.

MOCEAN MELVIN: As a nine-year-old girl,

Katie Paige was terrorized by strange phenomena at the ranch.

It was like this heavy feeling of just

being uneasy, being watched.

MOCEAN MELVIN: One of her most traumatizing memories

was when a strange, disembodied electronic voice

threatened her family.

KATIE PAIGE: And it basically stated, you know,

we have allowed you to remain.

Your friends will be instructed to remain silent concerning us.

Concerning us?

Concerning us.

That must have been terrifying.

KATIE PAIGE: It was terrifying.

But here I am, back here to face it because that's how I feel.

I feel empowered as an adult now that I want to face

whatever this is head on.

Well, the last time we were here,

one of the strangest things to happen

was that a rocket actually crashed

over my left shoulder here.

It did, right there.

I have something that I need to tell you about that area

where that rocket crashed.

So my sister and I was on a typical spring Colorado day,

you know, with the sun shining a lot like today.

NICOLE: Come on.

Come on, Osc.

We already have him getting a little nervous coming up here.

What's going on?

He doesn't like coming up this hill.

Oh, look at him.

He has his tail down.

Come on, Oscar.

That's really interesting.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: He does not want to come.

Look at that. KATIE PAIGE: He does not.

Look at that.

Come on.

It's OK.

[music playing]

He just will not come up here.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: He just totally slipped out of his own leash.

He's gone.

Wow.

NICOLE: Yeah.

I never understood it, but it's just this area

that you're taking us to.

He doesn't want to go there.

Really?

Mm hm.

Isn't that something.

Wow.

So what happened here, Katie?

KATIE PAIGE: It was a wet, heavy snow,

a few inches on the ground.

And what was really strange is there was this very large,

dry dirt, snowless circle, as if something

was sitting here or something.

It was just so odd.

And then fast forward decades later, when I finally acquired

the APRO report as confirmation to the experiences

that I remember having.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Unknown to Katie, back in 1978,

a group known as the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization,

or APRO, also documented the strange events at the ranch

around the same time she was living there as a young girl.

And it actually says that the investigators saw

the snowless circle, and that it was approximately

75 feet in diameter.

Really bizarre.

Yeah, that's super strange.

And this is the area?

Yeah, it was right in this area in here.

There's a cistern.

So that rocket would have come down

just somewhere right over here. - Yeah.

Right.

And it would have lost power almost right above this area.

Wow.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: Next, we're going to transition

over into below surface.

Look at this area here.

Mm hm.

In the tree line. DAVID MOREHOUSE: Right.

PAUL BEBAN: I mean, that's where we

launched another one of our rockets

and had it go wildly off course.

But I mean, look at this huge cluster right by the cistern.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: Yeah, wow.

32 individual viewers sketched versions of this cistern.

PAUL BEBAN: Mm hm.

But the data-- the verbal sensory data that supported this

was widening cracks and low tunnels down

underneath it that spun off.

So-- PAUL BEBAN: Oh, wow.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: Yeah.

These are corridors.

These things were all discussed by viewers as militaristic.

PAUL BEBAN: Mm hm.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: People in uniform.

PAUL BEBAN: Right.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: Man made tunnels, overhead lighting.

How deep?

Well, we asked them to sense to 10,000 feet.

Right.

DAVID MOREHOUSE: But-- and how deep it might be, I don't know.

Yeah.

You know, this makes me think that Andy and I are going

to have to try to get some more survey information about what's

underground under the ranch.

Yeah, just don't go down there.

[laughing]

[music playing]

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Welcome back, gents.

- Team Terra. - Good to see you.

It's always good to see you guys.

How are you?

ROBERT LEONARD: Good to see y'all.

Oh, are you bundled up for some action today?

Yes.

It always seems to be cold with you guys

[laughing]

MOCEAN MELVIN: For the first experiment on Rocky Mountain

Ranch, Andy and Paul have brought in geophysical survey

experts Terra Exploration Group to help

investigate the targets the remote viewer

sensed underground.

This is an area that has data that we've collected

from a remote viewer experiment, which showed

multiple types of strange anomalies

that might exist underground and overhead.

And we've seen some really strange effects here.

We had a rocket that launched here and deployed

a normal chute, but then that chute went wildly

off course, miles off course.

[rocket whooshing]

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Wow.

OK, I just lost it.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Greg, is that it?

Is that it? GREG: Yeah, there it is.

Holy [bleep].

What's it doing over here?

This is way off course.

I've got the grid programmed in here already,

and it's basically to cover that whole field.

And we're just going to go over there and push some buttons

and be ready to go.

MOCEAN MELVIN: In 2020, the Skinwalker Ranch team

used a magnetometer drone that identified a magnetic anomaly

below ground next to the mesa.

ERIK BARD: It's telling us there's

something going on in the ground,

particularly there at the homestead area.

I mean, it's clearly a magnetic anomaly there.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Now, the Terra group

will use the same technology to see if they can identify

anything underground at the treeline that could possibly

validate the cluster of targets sensed here

by the remote viewers, and help explain

what made the team's rocket go completely off course.

Beautiful day for a drone launch.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yeah.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Terra's drone flies

in a grid pattern that is pre-programmed using

GPS coordinates for navigation.

The attached magnetometer will scan

for evidence of possible voids and tunnels

all around the treeline area.

ROBERT LEONARD: OK, we're going up.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Let's do it.

[drone whirring]

PAUL BEBAN: Whoa.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: OK, that didn't sound good, did it?

That doesn't look good either. PAUL BEBAN: Where's it going?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Fighting the wind, for sure.

PAUL BEBAN: Oh, oh.

That our grid pattern?

PAUL BEBAN: Whoa.

ROBERT LEONARD: See how it's kind of squirrely?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Is that normal?

ROBERT LEONARD: No, it should fly straighter than that.

PAUL BEBAN: It's struggling with altitude.

ROBERT LEONARD: Tell you, it does not like flying over here.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: It's just not happy.

ROBERT LEONARD: There's some kind of disturbance over here

that it's not liking.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Sure looks like it.

ROBERT LEONARD: We're just going to let it keep

going so we can get the data.

That right there--

you see that?

Yeah, I saw it. Oh.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Oh, man. Watch out.

PAUL BEBAN: It's swinging that magnetometer all over the place.

ROBERT LEONARD: Turbulence. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Watch out.

ROBERT LEONARD: Oh, boy.

PAUL BEBAN: And it's fighting hard.

ROBERT LEONARD: All right, we're coming home.

OK.

PAUL BEBAN: Oh, boy.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: That is not a happy device, man.

PAUL BEBAN: Not at all.

[music playing]

ROBERT LEONARD: Phew.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Ooh, that was touch and go.

ROBERT LEONARD: Yeah.

What was going on up there, Rob?

It either doesn't like the cold.

There may be something to these strange occurrences

you guys keep running into.

But we'll get a look at this data

because we got most of the grids, so--

- OK. - Yeah.

- Perfect. - Cool.

These initial results give us a whole new dimension

to look at this property from. - Yeah.

Let's do it.

Well, we're glad that it came down in one piece.

That was an interesting start to the day.

MOCEAN MELVIN: For the next stage of their investigation,

Andy and Paul lead the Terra team to the landing site.

This is the location where the team

had a rocket crash in their first visit to the ranch.

It's also the area where the remote viewers sensed

strange double portals in the sky,

and where Katie Paige, as a child,

saw the barren circle on the ground.

I mean, this is literally the crash site.

Hopefully, it won't be crash site part two.

Keep your head on a swivel, and expect the unexpected

in this place.

All right?

[drone whirring]

ROBERT LEONARD: All right, baby. Come on.

PAUL BEBAN: That looks promising.

[drone whirring]

[music playing]

Whoa, whoa.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Boy, it's really fighting the wind.

ROBERT LEONARD: Oh, doesn't like that turn around down there.

That's a tough place to turn.

Yeah.

Come on.

Oh, boy.

[drone whirring]

Watch out.

You saw that rock, right?

We're coming home.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Had enough of that.

[drone whirring]

[music playing]

We got data in there good.

So where do we going next?

Our last hotspot is up here at the cistern

right at the top of the hill.

ROBERT LEONARD: OK, let's go over there, see what we got.

BROGAN LEONARD: Keep it moving. All right.

MOCEAN MELVIN: The final hotspot for the team to explore

is the cistern.

This is the location where Andy and the current ranch owners

heard a strange hum during their first investigation.

Did you hear a noise?

WOMAN: Just a humming noise.

[humming] - Oh, that is a humming noise.

I hear that, too.

MOCEAN MELVIN: And where the remote viewers sensed

large underground tunnels.

Our primary objective here is to see what anomaly, if any,

exists underground. ROBERT LEONARD: OK.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: And we have the cistern kind of blocking

our path in many ways. - Yeah.

So trying to do the magnetometer here would be a waste of time

because it's just going to say that's an anomaly right there,

but we know it's there.

Right.

So resistivity will not be affected by any anomaly

out there.

We've never had any issues with resistivity.

MOCEAN MELVIN: In 2019, the Skinwalker team

did a resistivity survey that identified

a potential underground cave in the east field.

So this is the raw data plotted over a 2D grid.

So blues are going to be more conductive

and reds are going to be more resistive.

MAN 7: More resistive might mean a hole.

PAUL BEBAN: Yep.

So that could be a cave.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Now Andy, Paul, and the Terra group

will use the same technology to see

if they can find evidence of a tunnel system under the cistern.

This is one of the most simple technologies that's been

around since the early 1900s.

It's just shock the ground and read the ohms.

Shocking all.

Yeah.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Resistivity uses metal stakes and wires to send

electric currents into the ground that will bounce

off any solid objects or voids.

The team will test down to 80 feet

to see if they can find the tunnels that were

sensed by the remote viewers.

[music playing]

Robert, I feel a little bit like we just built

the nuclear football here, man.

ROBERT LEONARD: Exactly.

OK, so now we got it all set up.

PAUL BEBAN (VOICEOVER): We really

want to understand what's going on with this anomaly

deep underground under the cistern,

how that might tie in to all of these strange experiences

here on the ranch.

Will we get something completely unexpected?

You know, who knows?

All right, that's what we got.

[music playing]

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: What's the initial data look like?

I'll go plug it in on that other program

and we'll take a look.

Expect the unexpected is what I would have to say.

- OK. - All right?

All right. Let's do it.

[music playing]

[music playing]

I'm actually really excited to see the results

that you came up with today - OK.

Because we have not had a chance to look underground

on this ranch at all.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Andy, Paul, and Terra Exploration Group

conducted magnetometer and resistivity

surveys at three hotspots on Rocky Mountain Ranch.

Now they're meeting to review the results.

All right.

Well, let's just dig into it.

All right.

So this is what we did on the cistern up there.

We ran the resistivity.

The reds are going to be more conductive,

and the blues are going to be less conductive.

So in my mind, haven't picked up anything strange there.

But this shows our equipment's working

good because you can see right here

in the middle is the cistern.

And then underneath it, it was just a higher resistance.

So it's probably just really dry.

And what's our maximum depth here?

This goes about 80 feet.

PAUL BEBAN: OK.

So, I mean, one thing to keep in mind here,

Andy, is what we learned from Morehouse

and the remote viewing team is they

were identifying targets that were thousands of feet

underground.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: So, yeah, it certainly

seems like whatever underground anomalies

might exist at that cistern, they exceed 80 feet.

Yeah, deeper than we can detect with this equipment.

ROBERT LEONARD: All right.

So this is what we did to the tree line.

And we flew our drone up there and didn't have a whole lot

of luck flying the drone.

It was not-- it was not happy.

But we did get some pretty good data.

When we use a magnetometer, we're reading

the Earth's magnetic field.

The blues are going to be less conductive.

And you can see on the little scale chart

there, not much of a change.

So I, myself, would just kind of pass this off as nothing.

But that doesn't mean something weird isn't going on there,

it's just we can't see it underground.

PAUL BEBAN: This was the launch site where

on our last investigation here, the rocket

just veered wildly off course.

But what you're saying, it doesn't look like there's

anything on the ground--

Right.

--or underground that would have caused that.

ROBERT LEONARD: It looks--

I mean, that's kind of as plain as you're ever going to see it.

What we're seeing in the tree line, what we're seeing

at the cistern, is not strange in terms of the first 80

to 100 feet of topsoil.

Just happy we didn't crash it this time.

All right, you ready to go to the landing site?

Yeah, let's do it.

This one's a little perplexing to me.

We were able to get most of our grid.

But all that black area there is no magnetometer data.

I can't explain it.

It's never happened before.

You've never seen this before?

Never seen it like that before.

But the GPS was working.

The drone was flying over this area.

It just wasn't-- the magnetometer was not

collecting data from that area.

ROBERT LEONARD: Yeah. Think about it.

It has to go back and forth.

So now it's collecting, now it's not.

Now it's collecting, now it's not.

So that's what I don't understand.

So it's like an on/off, on/off--

ROBERT LEONARD: Yeah.

So weird.

That's where we were flipping the Frisbee where

we had that snowless circle.

PAUL BEBAN: This is also the place where

during our first investigation on this ranch,

our rocket failed to deploy its chute

and crash landed right inside that black area.

And we've hypothesize that the reason it crashed is because it

passed through some kind of aerial

anomaly at some 1,400 to 1,600 feet above this location.

Dr. Morehouse also showed us a very distinct drawing compiled

from multiple remote viewers that showed two different types

of anomalies at two different altitudes

with two different energies that coincided with each other.

PAUL BEBAN: Right.

Is there some kind of disturbance at different levels?

Whatever electronic interference is going on,

there's some kind of pattern you guys are onto.

Something weird's going on out here.

We're getting all this weird data

that keeps asking us to look up, look up at the sky here.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Specifically in that landing site area.

There really is something about this area

that points to all the same telltale signs of a portal.

[music playing]

You know, we came here looking to see if there was something

worth exploring underground.

And all of our data is pointing us back towards the sky.

Even with the Terra team, even with Terra Exploration where

we're looking to figure out what's going on

with these underground anomalies that Morehouse

and the remote viewers pointed us toward,

we're still looking up in the sky.

We saw the drone fighting right as we tried to get it

to fly over the landing site.

I don't know what was going on there,

but we lost half of the data from the magnetometer.

I feel like we need to find a way to engage the phenomenon,

actually explore the boundaries of the anomaly overhead.

In that case, I mean, I think there's

only really one way to go.

We've got to bring in like precision.

We need to launch more rockets.

Yeah, rockets seem like the best solution

here because we get to decide when they go, where they go,

and how high they go.

One of the things I want to do is

I want to put some careful attention into the payloads

that we put into the rockets.

Really, every rocket we launch should

have a payload with multiple data sensors inside it.

That way, we have multiple chances

to collect whatever data is actually happening in the sky.

Right.

Bigger payloads, bigger rockets, just a bigger

shot at this this time around.

[music playing]

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Morning, guys. PAUL BEBAN: Morning.

MIKE TURICIK: How are you? - Good to see you again.

PAUL BEBAN: Good to see you.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Andy and Paul have called

in Skinwalker rocket experts.

Allen Isdell and Mike Turicik from Loc Precision

to help them conduct a rocket test at the landing site,

an area where they think there could be a possible portal

above Rocky Mountain Ranch.

We're excited to have you back.

This area specifically that we're set up on

is one of the strangest from our first experiment here.

Yeah. No, the last year was--

I mean, that was a very odd launch.

Good flight up, no ejection charge, right?

Rocket never separated, no parachute.

That was not common.

[rocket whirring]

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: We had some sort of anomaly

that brought our previous rocket down

almost exactly on this spot.

[bleep]

What is going on?

And it was a very distinct, very significant spike in EMF energy

at altitude at the peak of the rocket's launch.

Right.

And since then, we've confirmed that there's

multiple sources of data that show

that there's some kind of anomalous activity

somewhere around here.

So we've actually opted to have two launch sites and two

different rockets that we're trying

to launch into the same area.

MOCEAN MELVIN: The plan is to launch two rockets from two

different locations, both aimed at the airspace

above the landing site where the data the team has collected

suggests there could be a portal.

See if we can't really poke that hornet's nest a little bit

and see what's going on. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Awesome.

PAUL BEBAN: Perfect.

You can tell Allen's been on our team

with the terminology he uses.

ALLEN ISDELL: Yep.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: He's picking up on the Skinwalker lingo.

I like it.

MOCEAN MELVIN: The Warlock is a four

and a half foot rocket that can reach

a height of almost 2,000 feet.

Since an electromagnetic spike was recorded at 1,800 feet right

before the rocket crashed in their first investigation

at Rocky Mountain ranch, Andy and Paul will equip this rocket

with a payload consisting of a trifield meter that will capture

the electromagnetic energy readings throughout the launch,

and a camera that will record the data.

This rocket will be launched directly

underneath the aerial target at the landing site.

The team will watch for any alterations in the rocket's

normal flight path that might indicate

the presence of a portal or unknown force in the sky.

I have to admit, this particular launch has me on pins

and needles a little bit.

It was so unnatural seeing the rocket tumble to the ground

last time right here. - Right.

And now we're actually doing it right from the same location.

And we know we're targeting a specific altitude.

We've got a larger rocket.

It kind of feels like we're looking for trouble.

Yeah, that's one way to put it.

[music playing]

All right.

All right.

Skies clear, Mike?

MIKE TURICIK: Skies clear, free of aircraft.

ALLEN ISDELL: All right.

Arm in the pad.

Range is hot.

Going in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

[music playing]

[rocket whirring]

GREG: Good flight.

All right.

Watch for an event.

It's out. Come on.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Look out. - Come on.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Look out.

MIKE TURICIK: Give me your chute.

Give me your chute.

[music playing]

Oh!

Oh my goodness.

ALLEN ISDELL: Yeah, that's twice.

Twice.

Outside of here and Skinwalker,

95% or better success rate.

PAUL BEBAN: Uh huh. - Oh, wow.

OK.

Here, 50/50.

I was going to say.

ALLEN ISDELL: Right at apogee, you know, it's perfect.

Nice arc over, everything looked good.

And then we should have had our chute deploy--

nothing.

What caused that to not deploy?

This may have been right in the exact same spot.

MOCEAN MELVIN: Andy and Greg head off

to retrieve the rocket to see if any of the data inside it

survived the crash.

Whoo.

Oh, man.

This guy is just destroyed.

This is a punch to the gut.

Almost everything got destroyed when this rocket hit the ground.

But the one silver lining here, though,

is that we're getting repeat results.

This is almost the exact same outcome

that we had when we launched a large rocket from the cistern

during our first experiment.

[music playing]

Ho, ho, ho, man.

I don't know if our little egg survived that crash test, man.

PAUL BEBAN: Oh my god.

Look at that.

Oh, wow. Look at that.

Wow. Ooh.

Oof.

Oh, man.

ALLEN ISDELL: Oh.

PAUL BEBAN: Well, that's not promising.

No.

Everyone's heart just kind of drops to the floor

because this thing is completely shattered,

just catastrophic failure.

We're picking up the pieces.

But in those pieces, this is data.

This is results that we can use to try

to further this investigation.

So the good news is that these are still in one piece--

the two cameras.

MIKE TURICIK: We'll be able to pull the cards.

Where is the charge that should

have launched the parachute?

ALLEN ISDELL: Never went off.

It never went off?

Never went off.

Never deployed.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Huh.

That's odd.

That's very odd.

It burned through, and there's a charred residue from the powder.

But it never kicked out the cap to deploy the rocket.

Which would have been the cap getting pushed out.

I mean, to see it burned and still have

that little plug cap in, it's the first time

we've ever seen this happen.

Wow.

You know, there's definitely some phenomenon going on.

Well, the phenomenon is not with the rocket.

The phenomenon is what the rocket is entering into.

- Right. - It's got to be.

PAUL BEBAN: Exactly.

I mean, here we have two instances separated by time,

and we have very similar results.

This is weird.

There's something going on up there.

Let's see if the next one will do better.

MOCEAN MELVIN: For the final launch,

the team sets up their next rocket about

350 feet south at the cistern.

Having already targeted the aerial anomaly from the landing

site itself, the plan is to launch the second rocket

directed at the same area in the sky,

but this time from a different angle

to see what additional data it might collect.

All right.

The grand finale.

We've got our largest payload, too, that we've ever flown here.

So, I mean, whatever aerial anomaly might be here,

we're looking at hitting it right now from a completely

different angle.

And by going up 3,000 feet, we potentially have

the opportunity to hit it going up and then

again coming back down.

Right.

That is a massive--

Look at that thing.

--massive rocket.

That is taller than you, Allen.

[laughing]

Well, are we ready to put it up in the air?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yes, absolutely.

I can't wait.

MOCEAN MELVIN: The eight foot tall

Loc VII rocket can reach an altitude of up to 3,000 feet.

The Loc VII is equipped with a trifield meter,

spectrum analyzer, Geiger counter, and GPS tracker.

If this launch is successful, it would collect

more data than any rocket experiment

executed on Skinwalker Ranch.

[beeping]

All right, we're good.

All right, let's do it.

[music playing]

All right.

Sky clear?

MIKE TURICIK: Yes, sir.

[music playing]

ALLEN ISDELL: Pad's armed.

Going in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

[music playing]

[high pitched buzzing]

[rocket whirring]

PAUL BEBAN: Holy smokes.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Wow.

Good flight.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: That is right over our heads.

ALLEN ISDELL: We're at apogee.

It's down.

Oh, nice. We got a chute.

Wow.

Woo.

I'll tell you what, my heart was in my throat

there for a second.

I was like--

Hands up.

It's right over us. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yep.

ALLEN ISDELL: It's a beautiful thing.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Still coming down right at us, though.

Make sure you got a clear path if you need to move.

MIKE TURICIK: You got it.

ALLEN ISDELL: Let's see, into the trees.

Clear the power lines.

She's on the ground.

MIKE TURICIK: In the trees.

ALLEN ISDELL: Yep, she's on the ground.

All right. - Beautiful.

Greg, you ready, man?

Yes let's go.

[music playing]

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: We had a textbook launch that's

going to bring back the largest payload of data

that we've ever had in any of our previous investigations.

Not only is today going to inform Paul and I's

ongoing investigations here in Rocky Mountain Ranch,

but it's also going to inform the investigations that are

happening at Skinwalker Ranch.

There she is.

[music playing]

Yeah, the payload should be fine.

Everything looks good.

[music playing]

What's the matter?

It's saying we hit 1,300 feet.

But the other one was 1,400, right?

Yeah.

It looked a lot--

And that appeared to go a lot higher.

It sure seemed like it.

So that's-- obviously, that's completely off.

The altitude definitely seems wrong.

The range-- distance from launch pad to where it landed--

I mean, this is saying it's less than 1,000 feet away.

That's definitely more than 1,000 feet.

PAUL BEBAN: That looks like more than 1,000 feet.

And that's more like half mile.

So, I mean, what is this telling you right now?

I mean, the GPS is not functioning properly.

There's definitely something going on with that.

Yeah, we'll have to download the data and see.

Yeah.

PAUL BEBAN (VOICEOVER): So we got a clean launch

and landing here.

But already, we're seeing that there's some kind of problems.

Even when it seems like everything has gone perfectly,

the ranch seems to be interfering with our instruments

once again.

I mean, we just can't figure out what's going on here.

You know, because line of sight is good.

PAUL BEBAN: Yep.

But with this, we're communicating via satellite,

so it's signals going up and down.

Right.

So that means something going up and down

is throwing that off.

I mean, it speaks to-- again-- possibly some kind

of electromagnetic anomaly that's possibly

affecting the instruments.

Yeah.

PAUL BEBAN: Already, things are a little weird.

ALLEN ISDELL: They are.

PAUL BEBAN: All right. ALLEN ISDELL: How's she look?

Aw, man.

Pretty awesome.

Hot rocket coming.

Here you go.

[music playing]

Looking good.

Well, everything is in tact. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Look at that.

MIKE TURICIK: Intact and running.

Everything's running.

Yep.

Fantastic.

I think we can safely say this was the single most

successful rocket experiment--

Right.

--on this ranch or Skinwalker Ranch because every

payload they put up like this--

Yeah.

--I think has been affected in some way.

We got our rocket and our instruments.

- All back. - First.

Well, wait until you hear.

So we got good flight, good recovery, weird data.

What?

Yeah.

GPS data is going all over the place.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: No way. - Yeah.

OK.

So what looked like a pretty awesome

launch still had some anomalous readings in the GPS arena?

Yeah.

Let's pack up and take it back to the shop.

Sounds good.

PAUL BEBAN: OK.

Andy and Paul, tell us about your adventures

at Rocky Mountain Ranch.

PAUL BEBAN: It's always an adventure, that is for sure.

We got some results here that I think both confirm a lot of what

we set out to understand, but opened up,

again, just more questions.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: We started by splitting up right

out of the gate so that we could try

to maximize our time on target. PAUL BEBAN: Yes.

And I took Katie Paige, the original experiencer,

back to the ranch.

She shared with me the location of a place

where she and her sister, as a child, used to play.

An area that she described as strange because it

was perpetually barren.

How large of an area are we talking about here?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: About 70 feet across--

Oh, wow.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: --and an almost perfect circle.

Yeah, so it's a pretty big space.

And it actually also corresponds with details written

in the APRO report as well.

And then this is where our rocket crashed.

Last time we were there, the rocket fell in the same location

as that circle.

So we have this corresponding location that she

calls the landing site.

That's really interesting.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: So during our investigation,

we had the Terra Exploration Team join us.

And they ran a aerial magnetometer

over the landing site.

The black area is an area where the drone and the magnetometer

failed to pick up any data.

Isn't the circle right where the black dot data is?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yes, sir.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: So they couldn't get magnetometer

data of the circle?

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: That's exactly right.

That's important to me.

That's very suggestive.

Yeah.

We also called in one of the largest remote viewing exercises

to have ever been done, led by Dr. Morehouse.

I remember that now, yes.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yeah.

And some of the results that the remote viewing team was

able to give us about what they were sensing and viewing

at this location is energy flowing

through a second set of energy.

The story is really coalescing around this one location--

the landing site--

so we decided to double down on exploring

our aerial anomalies more.

We called in Loc Precision because of the results

that we just got from the Terra Exploration Team.

I'm very comfortable with that approach.

You're being led by your data.

That's what we say here all the time.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Here is our actual rocket launch centered

in the landing site itself, launched from the ground up

through the anomaly near the landing site.

ERIK BARD: OK.

[rocket whirring]

MIKE TURICIK: Come on. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Look out.

MIKE TURICIK: Give me your chute.

Give me your chute.

[beeping]

Oh!

MIKE TURICIK: Lawn dart.

Very similar to the malfunction

that we had the first time we sent

something through this anomaly.

And all of the SD cards were corrupted.

Wow.

We sent them to a data recovery specialist,

and could not pull the data.

The cards were completely corrupted.

What got us excited about this experiment

was that we had a repeatable experiment.

We put a rocket through the same aerial anomaly

at a different point in time.

But in both cases, there was systematic failure

of the rocket.

And in this case, with the payload on board,

we also had some sort of electrical

or digital corruption.

I got to tell you, Andy, that point is not wasted on us.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: No.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: So we came prepared

for this, which is why we launched

a second rocket right from the cistern

aiming at the same anomaly.

ERIK BARD: OK.

[rocket whirring]

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Oh, that's massive.

ERIK BARD: That's gorgeous.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Beautiful launch, man.

Love that.

PAUL BEBAN: Holy smokes.

Wow.

That is right over our heads.

So here's the live feed from inside the rocket.

ERIK BARD: Yes. Man, that's awesome.

The data is working.

[rattling]

OK.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Oh. Oh.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yep, right here.

There ERIK BARD: Right there.

There's a blip.

That gets my attention.

And, you know, the spectrum analyzer is interesting.

It went-- it had a 1.7, and it jumped to 1.4

when the trifield meter jumps.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yes.

Now, that is interesting.

I don't know what the assignable cause for that

would be.

And we didn't have an explanation for it.

But where both of our minds took us was

actually right back to this--

this drawing from the remote viewing team.

Are we descending through some kind of dynamic anomaly?

ERIK BARD: Yes.

Now, let's assume that this is right in the peak location

that you were launching the rocket toward this weird thing

here.

Before it gets to that point, you're

seeing a 1.7 gigahertz signal on the spectrum analyzer.

And then instantly, at some point, we see a burst in the EMP

on the trifield meter.

You see it shift down to 1.423 gigahertz.

That would mean that you had a frequency change.

And since frequency is telling you what changing energy is

happening, then that tells us that you

went through some sort of anomalous region

that would be reminiscent of a portal.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: I mean, to hear you talk about some sort

of portal behavior that is stacked above the landing site

that Katie remembers as a child, that is in line with the area

that the ranch animals don't want to go to,

that is also in line with where we

lost magnetometer data from the Terra Exploration Team.

I mean, this seems like too many things happening

in one 70 foot diameter circle.

PAUL BEBAN: Right.

Like a pillar through sky.

I was just thinking, I was just picturing this as a column.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: But you know what it reminds me of, Eric?

The circle-- ERIK BARD: The circle.

--from the LiDAR data that we got this year.

We measured a donut about 50 feet in the air.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: There is a ring of data.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Yes, it looks like a donut.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Yep.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: What in the actual crap?

That looks just like the LiDAR data we took the summer,

and it's freaking me out.

ANDY BUSTAMENTE: That's interesting.

It is absolutely freaking me out.

What we have found here with this return

to Rocky Mountain Ranch is that this landing site could really

hold the key to whatever else is happening on the entire ranch.

We're not done.

After two visits, we're still not

done at Rocky Mountain Ranch.

Right.

ERIK BARD: Yeah.

So we'll do some planning, and we'll see you again soon.

All right, man.

Great work.

Fantastic work, guys.

Thank you for that. ANDY BUSTAMENTE: Thank you.

TRAVIS TAYLOR: Good stuff.

[music playing]