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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,689 --> 00:00:48,068 Hi! 2 00:00:48,137 --> 00:00:49,517 Hey! 3 00:00:49,586 --> 00:00:52,862 You sound so sweet! 4 00:00:52,931 --> 00:00:55,068 Thank you. 5 00:00:55,620 --> 00:00:58,655 Are you nervous about talking to me? 6 00:00:58,724 --> 00:01:00,172 Yeah. 7 00:01:01,862 --> 00:01:03,310 So, you know we gotta... 8 00:01:03,379 --> 00:01:05,551 be, like... 9 00:01:05,620 --> 00:01:08,482 really careful about doing this. 10 00:01:08,896 --> 00:01:09,827 Yeah. 11 00:01:09,896 --> 00:01:10,827 Yeah? 12 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:12,931 What are you thinkin'? 13 00:01:13,620 --> 00:01:15,482 What are you thinkin'? 14 00:01:15,551 --> 00:01:16,896 I'm thinkin' I wish I was there with you 15 00:01:16,965 --> 00:01:18,517 right now. 16 00:01:21,068 --> 00:01:23,103 If I was, you'd be naked. 17 00:01:23,172 --> 00:01:24,931 Really? 18 00:01:24,965 --> 00:01:27,517 Yeah! 19 00:01:28,241 --> 00:01:30,034 Would you wanna be? 20 00:01:30,103 --> 00:01:32,275 I guess so. 21 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:35,103 Okay! 22 00:01:35,344 --> 00:01:38,000 My precious little princess. 23 00:01:39,586 --> 00:01:40,862 I like it when you call me that. 24 00:01:40,931 --> 00:01:42,551 I like calling you that. 25 00:01:44,758 --> 00:01:47,275 I've thought about you all day. 26 00:01:48,103 --> 00:01:51,551 I have to go to Walmart really quick, though. 27 00:01:51,620 --> 00:01:54,000 Get them things so I don't get you pregnant. 28 00:01:54,068 --> 00:01:55,413 Okay. 29 00:01:55,448 --> 00:01:56,896 And then, I'm gonna be on my way. 30 00:01:56,965 --> 00:01:58,517 Did you finish painting your toenails? 31 00:01:58,586 --> 00:02:00,241 Yup, they're all nice and pink. 32 00:02:00,310 --> 00:02:01,931 Okay. 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,758 I gotta go! I'll see ya in a few? 34 00:02:04,862 --> 00:02:07,034 Why are you rushing? 35 00:02:08,103 --> 00:02:10,724 I don't know, I'm kinda nervous. 36 00:02:10,793 --> 00:02:13,172 Well, don't be nervous! 37 00:02:14,931 --> 00:02:17,758 I am a very lucky guy. 38 00:02:18,206 --> 00:02:20,896 You think so? 39 00:02:31,103 --> 00:02:32,172 Hey! I'm glad you could come! 40 00:02:32,241 --> 00:02:33,379 Hey, girl! 41 00:02:33,448 --> 00:02:34,310 How are you? 42 00:02:34,413 --> 00:02:35,344 I'm good, how are you? 43 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:36,965 Good! 44 00:02:37,103 --> 00:02:38,862 How was your drive? 45 00:02:38,931 --> 00:02:40,379 Uh... 46 00:02:40,793 --> 00:02:42,620 - terrible. - Really?! How come? 47 00:02:42,689 --> 00:02:43,689 No, actually, it was all right. 48 00:02:43,758 --> 00:02:44,793 Oh? 49 00:02:44,896 --> 00:02:46,034 Well, look, we got these new chairs. 50 00:02:46,103 --> 00:02:47,586 You have to sit down! 51 00:02:47,689 --> 00:02:48,689 Okay, I have to sit down? 52 00:02:48,758 --> 00:02:50,103 Yeah, look. 53 00:02:50,137 --> 00:02:51,758 - It's a massager chair. - Oh my God, look at that! 54 00:02:51,827 --> 00:02:54,206 It vibrates when you press the buttons. 55 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:55,689 Oh my God... 56 00:02:55,758 --> 00:02:57,241 Yeah, flip the switches. 57 00:02:57,310 --> 00:02:58,379 Which one is it? 58 00:02:58,448 --> 00:02:59,827 Um, you can use either one of them. 59 00:02:59,896 --> 00:03:01,344 It tells you... 60 00:03:01,413 --> 00:03:02,862 There's one for your butt, there's one for your lower 61 00:03:02,931 --> 00:03:04,758 back, and there's one for your upper back. 62 00:03:04,862 --> 00:03:06,896 I just felt my butt... 63 00:03:06,931 --> 00:03:08,517 I think... 64 00:03:08,586 --> 00:03:10,103 You can pretty much tell the difference when you press 65 00:03:10,206 --> 00:03:11,620 - all of them. - Holy--! 66 00:03:11,655 --> 00:03:12,862 - Yup, that's my butt. - It feels so good, right?! 67 00:03:14,655 --> 00:03:16,034 I thought you had blonde hair! 68 00:03:16,103 --> 00:03:18,068 Do you like it? I dyed it by myself. 69 00:03:18,103 --> 00:03:19,827 - I think it's pretty. - Thank you! 70 00:03:19,896 --> 00:03:21,103 It's very pretty! 71 00:03:21,206 --> 00:03:23,689 I haven't had a kiss yet. 72 00:03:23,758 --> 00:03:24,793 Oh, okay. 73 00:03:24,862 --> 00:03:27,827 Well, then what did you wanna do? 74 00:03:27,896 --> 00:03:30,034 Well, I want a kiss first. 75 00:03:30,103 --> 00:03:31,034 And then what? 76 00:03:31,103 --> 00:03:32,275 Can I have a kiss first? 77 00:03:32,344 --> 00:03:33,931 - Well, let's talk first! - Okay! 78 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,827 You just got here! 79 00:03:35,931 --> 00:03:37,862 Would you like me to go in the truck and get my stuff? 80 00:03:37,931 --> 00:03:39,172 No, it's all right. 81 00:03:39,241 --> 00:03:40,758 No? You don't want your thing right now? 82 00:03:40,862 --> 00:03:41,827 The present I gave ya? 83 00:03:41,896 --> 00:03:43,103 Well, what is it? 84 00:03:43,206 --> 00:03:44,758 Well, I can't tell you. 85 00:03:44,793 --> 00:03:46,965 That wouldn't be much of a present if I told you. 86 00:03:47,068 --> 00:03:49,137 Well, you can go get it in a little bit or something, 87 00:03:49,206 --> 00:03:50,586 - okay? - Okay. 88 00:03:50,689 --> 00:03:51,655 All right. 89 00:03:51,724 --> 00:03:52,758 Are you nervous? 90 00:03:52,827 --> 00:03:54,172 - A little bit. - A little bit? 91 00:03:54,241 --> 00:03:55,620 Not as bad as what you thought you would be? 92 00:03:55,689 --> 00:03:57,620 Not as bad, but I still am kinda nervous. 93 00:03:57,655 --> 00:03:59,103 I'd rather, like, talk a little bit first, 94 00:03:59,206 --> 00:04:01,620 and then, like-- so I'm more comfortable, you know? 95 00:04:01,724 --> 00:04:03,689 That's, like, cool. 96 00:04:03,758 --> 00:04:04,620 Good. 97 00:04:04,724 --> 00:04:05,965 I'm really glad. 98 00:04:07,034 --> 00:04:08,620 I like seeing you in person. 99 00:04:08,689 --> 00:04:10,034 Yeah, I like seeing you too. 100 00:04:10,103 --> 00:04:11,689 Good. 101 00:04:11,965 --> 00:04:13,241 - So... - This is getting hot. How come? 102 00:04:13,275 --> 00:04:15,620 Oh, because press the red button. 103 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:17,344 - It's a heater too. - Oh. 104 00:04:18,275 --> 00:04:19,758 You gonna have a seat too? 105 00:04:19,827 --> 00:04:21,827 I actually-- I like to sit on the edge of chairs. 106 00:04:21,896 --> 00:04:23,103 - Do ya? - Yeah. 107 00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:24,275 You seem pretty comfortable there. 108 00:04:24,379 --> 00:04:25,896 - How are you, sir? - How are you? 109 00:04:25,965 --> 00:04:27,275 - All right, how are you doin'? - What's happenin'? 110 00:04:27,344 --> 00:04:29,827 - Not too much. - Not too much? 111 00:04:29,896 --> 00:04:31,241 You a Boston fan? 112 00:04:31,275 --> 00:04:33,275 Actually, I don't even watch baseball. 113 00:04:33,344 --> 00:04:35,103 Oh. But it's a Boston cap. 114 00:04:35,137 --> 00:04:36,931 - It's a Boston cap, yeah. - Yeah. 115 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,344 So, what are you up to tonight? 116 00:04:38,413 --> 00:04:40,758 Not a whole lot. 117 00:04:40,862 --> 00:04:43,275 - Not a whole lot? - No. 118 00:04:44,034 --> 00:04:45,896 Well, I'll tell ya, for the last... 119 00:04:45,931 --> 00:04:47,793 several days, you've been up to a lot. 120 00:04:47,827 --> 00:04:50,896 You're a pretty prolific chatter there. 121 00:04:54,689 --> 00:04:57,241 Wanna explain yourself? 122 00:04:57,896 --> 00:05:00,034 Not really, I never... 123 00:05:00,103 --> 00:05:00,862 really... 124 00:05:00,931 --> 00:05:02,172 was gonna do anything. 125 00:05:02,241 --> 00:05:03,103 You weren't really going to do anything? 126 00:05:03,172 --> 00:05:04,758 No. 127 00:05:05,206 --> 00:05:07,103 So, you brought condoms... 128 00:05:07,206 --> 00:05:08,896 What else did you bring? 129 00:05:08,965 --> 00:05:12,000 - I brought her a bracelet. - A bracelet. 130 00:05:12,103 --> 00:05:14,034 And her... 131 00:05:14,413 --> 00:05:17,034 And she is how old? 132 00:05:17,827 --> 00:05:20,137 - Supposed to be 13. - Supposed to be 13. 133 00:05:20,241 --> 00:05:21,689 And how old are you? 134 00:05:21,758 --> 00:05:23,517 - 37. - 37. 135 00:05:25,931 --> 00:05:29,172 What do you think oughta happen? 136 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:32,034 Oh, here's a good one. 137 00:05:32,586 --> 00:05:36,275 "Is Miss Vagina thinking about Mister Penis? 138 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:39,000 What is she thinking?" 139 00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:44,862 What's up with that? 140 00:05:46,827 --> 00:05:49,551 Do you ever watch television much? 141 00:05:51,827 --> 00:05:55,000 You ever watch a program called Dateline NBC? 142 00:05:56,137 --> 00:05:58,689 Well, there's something I gotta tell ya: 143 00:05:58,793 --> 00:06:00,586 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, 144 00:06:00,655 --> 00:06:01,862 and we're doing a story on. 145 00:06:01,931 --> 00:06:03,275 God... 146 00:06:03,310 --> 00:06:06,206 Now, you're free to walk out of this house right now, 147 00:06:06,275 --> 00:06:07,586 but if there's anything else you wanna say, 148 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:10,344 now would be the time to say it. 149 00:06:19,793 --> 00:06:21,034 Sheriff's office! Down! 150 00:06:21,103 --> 00:06:22,172 Get down! 151 00:06:22,241 --> 00:06:24,448 On the ground! On the ground! 152 00:06:26,862 --> 00:06:29,103 Put your hands behind your back! 153 00:06:41,379 --> 00:06:46,517 ♪pensive ethereal music♪ 154 00:06:56,793 --> 00:06:58,793 Tonight, a Dateline hidden camera 155 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:03,068 investigation exposes a very real threat to your children: 156 00:07:03,137 --> 00:07:05,896 online sexual predators. 157 00:07:05,965 --> 00:07:07,620 When you watch To Catch a Predator, 158 00:07:07,724 --> 00:07:10,068 you can see right away why a show like it would take America 159 00:07:10,137 --> 00:07:11,689 by storm. 160 00:07:11,758 --> 00:07:13,827 ...and show up at a home where they think a 161 00:07:13,896 --> 00:07:15,206 minor is alone. 162 00:07:15,275 --> 00:07:17,689 The problem, as you'll see in our investigation, 163 00:07:17,758 --> 00:07:19,103 is epidemic. 164 00:07:19,206 --> 00:07:20,931 These kids range in age... 165 00:07:20,965 --> 00:07:23,000 The show began when NBC Dateline hired this online 166 00:07:23,103 --> 00:07:26,275 civilian group called "Perverted Justice" to find 167 00:07:26,344 --> 00:07:28,103 online predators in chatrooms. 168 00:07:28,206 --> 00:07:30,655 Enter a group called "Perverted Justice," 169 00:07:30,758 --> 00:07:33,896 whose mission is to do what it believes law enforcement 170 00:07:33,965 --> 00:07:36,068 doesn't always have the resources to do: 171 00:07:36,103 --> 00:07:38,241 going after internet predators. 172 00:07:38,310 --> 00:07:41,482 And they do it by posing as kids online. 173 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:45,000 They have the decoy, who opens the door -- 174 00:07:45,068 --> 00:07:47,448 either a boy or a girl. 175 00:07:47,551 --> 00:07:49,103 These will have been adults who happen to look 176 00:07:49,172 --> 00:07:51,172 much younger than they are. 177 00:07:51,241 --> 00:07:54,586 They will pretend to be the child that wants to have sex, 178 00:07:54,689 --> 00:07:55,896 or something like that. 179 00:07:55,965 --> 00:07:57,241 I'm just gonna go and get my hair ready. 180 00:07:57,275 --> 00:07:59,103 - I'll be right back. - Take your time. 181 00:07:59,172 --> 00:08:01,448 - I'm excited, by the way. - Me too. 182 00:08:01,517 --> 00:08:04,103 And then, you have Chris Hansen coming out... 183 00:08:04,172 --> 00:08:05,758 So, you're excited too? 184 00:08:05,793 --> 00:08:07,379 And ask them what they're doing there -- 185 00:08:07,448 --> 00:08:08,758 you know, what they think they're doing. 186 00:08:08,793 --> 00:08:09,827 - I'm sorry. - Please have a seat. 187 00:08:09,896 --> 00:08:11,241 I'm sorry. 188 00:08:11,275 --> 00:08:12,862 What were you doing here? 189 00:08:15,724 --> 00:08:18,689 As an ethnographer, I study why people behave the way 190 00:08:18,758 --> 00:08:20,275 they do. 191 00:08:20,724 --> 00:08:24,551 What first interested me about To Catch a Predator 192 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:27,137 is how it is that grown men can 193 00:08:27,206 --> 00:08:32,517 be so vile when it comes to what they assume are kids, 194 00:08:34,931 --> 00:08:37,896 and how it is that we seem to enjoy 195 00:08:37,965 --> 00:08:43,206 watching these same men being humiliated on TV. 196 00:08:44,931 --> 00:08:47,206 So how can I help you? 197 00:08:48,034 --> 00:08:50,241 Go ahead, have a seat. 198 00:08:53,206 --> 00:08:56,068 In that moment... 199 00:08:56,724 --> 00:08:58,448 time stops. 200 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:01,862 I suggest you sit down. 201 00:09:02,551 --> 00:09:04,896 What you're seeing is effectively someone else's life 202 00:09:04,965 --> 00:09:06,275 end. 203 00:09:10,379 --> 00:09:12,655 And they realize it. 204 00:09:14,896 --> 00:09:17,758 The goal of the show was to educate people about the evils 205 00:09:17,827 --> 00:09:22,000 of the internet -- the "stranger danger" folk. 206 00:09:22,068 --> 00:09:25,206 But it ended up shocking an entire nation. 207 00:09:25,310 --> 00:09:27,103 Online, on the street, at school, 208 00:09:27,206 --> 00:09:29,793 pedophiles seize every opportunity to try and connect 209 00:09:29,896 --> 00:09:33,758 with your children, and one reporter is doing what he can, 210 00:09:33,827 --> 00:09:35,827 and he's doing a lot to expose these offenders. 211 00:09:35,896 --> 00:09:38,103 Dateline NBC's Chris Hansen! 212 00:09:39,793 --> 00:09:42,758 I don't understand why the guys sit down and talk to you! 213 00:09:42,827 --> 00:09:44,275 Well... 214 00:09:44,379 --> 00:09:46,241 I don't know why they don't just walk out the door! 215 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:47,965 Why do they sit down and talk to you?! 216 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,758 Well, my theory is this: that a large percentage of these 217 00:09:50,862 --> 00:09:51,931 - guys... - Yeah. 218 00:09:52,034 --> 00:09:53,758 Have an addiction, a compulsion, 219 00:09:53,862 --> 00:09:55,034 they wanna get caught... 220 00:09:55,103 --> 00:09:56,448 Explain to me; help me to understand. 221 00:09:56,482 --> 00:09:58,517 I-- I can't! Because there is no reason! 222 00:09:58,586 --> 00:10:00,724 Take me inside your mind; what's goin' on?! 223 00:10:00,793 --> 00:10:01,931 Just bored. 224 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:02,827 Why did you do it? Help me to understand! 225 00:10:02,896 --> 00:10:04,275 I don't know! 226 00:10:04,379 --> 00:10:05,758 Well, why did you come here? Help me to understand. 227 00:10:05,793 --> 00:10:07,275 Because I'm a sick son of a bitch. 228 00:10:07,344 --> 00:10:08,793 I'm not there to beat these guys up. 229 00:10:08,896 --> 00:10:10,758 I'm wanna find out what's going on in their mind -- 230 00:10:10,793 --> 00:10:12,758 what led them to walk in this door. 231 00:10:12,827 --> 00:10:15,655 You came over here planning to have oral sex with a 232 00:10:15,724 --> 00:10:16,862 12-year-old girl. 233 00:10:16,931 --> 00:10:18,206 I just... 234 00:10:18,275 --> 00:10:19,344 I've had that fantasy in the back of my head! 235 00:10:19,413 --> 00:10:20,793 Fantasy? 236 00:10:20,896 --> 00:10:22,379 - About being with a young girl? - A young girl, yes. 237 00:10:22,448 --> 00:10:24,000 Well, what do you think should happen to you? 238 00:10:24,068 --> 00:10:26,206 I don't know why you're asking me stuff like this! 239 00:10:26,275 --> 00:10:27,620 I mean... 240 00:10:27,689 --> 00:10:29,137 Well, why do you think I'm curious about all this? 241 00:10:29,206 --> 00:10:30,896 I could tell you're a therapist! I know... 242 00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,551 - I mean-- - You think I'm a therapist? 243 00:10:32,620 --> 00:10:33,965 In many cases, they stay and they talk to me! 244 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:35,551 They tell me the whole story! 245 00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:37,344 Is there anything else you want people to know about your 246 00:10:37,413 --> 00:10:38,620 situation? 247 00:10:38,689 --> 00:10:40,103 My life is screwed. I'm done. 248 00:10:40,206 --> 00:10:41,448 They may be in trouble, 249 00:10:41,482 --> 00:10:42,620 but maybe now, they're gonna get help. 250 00:10:42,655 --> 00:10:44,206 This is probably what I needed... 251 00:10:44,275 --> 00:10:45,172 to... 252 00:10:45,241 --> 00:10:46,620 straighten up. 253 00:10:46,655 --> 00:10:48,275 You've scared the hell out of me. 254 00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:50,137 I need to see a psychiatrist because of the way everything 255 00:10:50,241 --> 00:10:51,724 is going in my life. 256 00:10:51,793 --> 00:10:53,827 Well, why don't you go ahead and... 257 00:10:53,896 --> 00:10:55,137 I hope you get that help. 258 00:10:55,241 --> 00:10:56,758 As he gets up to leave, 259 00:10:56,827 --> 00:11:00,241 officers are in position, ready to arrest him. 260 00:11:00,275 --> 00:11:01,896 Sheriff's office! Hands up! 261 00:11:01,931 --> 00:11:03,275 Hands up! 262 00:11:03,310 --> 00:11:04,793 - Well, you're free to go. - Well, you're free to go. 263 00:11:04,862 --> 00:11:06,103 You're free to walk out that door. 264 00:11:06,172 --> 00:11:07,551 Thank you. 265 00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:09,758 So, I can just walk out? No problem? 266 00:11:09,793 --> 00:11:11,275 - On your way. - Thank you. 267 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:13,586 It's nice to meet you. 268 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:14,862 And, obviously, you're free to go. 269 00:11:14,931 --> 00:11:16,448 We can't keep you here; you're free to go. 270 00:11:16,482 --> 00:11:18,275 You're free to leave, obviously, if you wanna go. 271 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:20,655 That's the wrong way, though. 272 00:11:20,827 --> 00:11:22,068 Get down! Get down! Get down! 273 00:11:22,137 --> 00:11:23,344 Police! Stop! 274 00:11:29,862 --> 00:11:31,689 Please, please, please, help me! 275 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:32,862 Oh, dear God! 276 00:11:32,931 --> 00:11:35,137 Dear God! 277 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:49,275 I don't think I had any sort of idea 278 00:11:49,379 --> 00:11:50,931 how big the show was. 279 00:11:51,034 --> 00:11:52,551 To me, it was like, 280 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:54,241 "A couple of random people are gonna see this, 281 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:57,206 but it's probably not my big acting break." 282 00:11:57,275 --> 00:12:00,758 Little did I know that it was going to live on... 283 00:12:00,827 --> 00:12:02,793 probably my whole entire life 'til I die. 284 00:12:02,827 --> 00:12:05,275 I will probably always, in some universe, 285 00:12:05,379 --> 00:12:07,068 be known as "the decoy." 286 00:12:08,793 --> 00:12:10,931 Should we talk to random strangers online that we 287 00:12:10,965 --> 00:12:12,275 don't know? 288 00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:15,103 I talk to some but they're nice. 289 00:12:15,137 --> 00:12:16,344 What? 290 00:12:16,413 --> 00:12:19,758 I talk to random strangers that I don't know. 291 00:12:19,862 --> 00:12:21,448 But they're super nice. 292 00:12:21,482 --> 00:12:23,965 See, that's not a good plan, because they can be-- they can 293 00:12:24,068 --> 00:12:26,344 look like they're super nice, but they're not always 294 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,137 super nice. 295 00:12:28,206 --> 00:12:30,241 Older guys are better! 296 00:12:30,862 --> 00:12:32,551 Better at a lot of things! 297 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:36,275 I'm more mature; I don't need people my age. 298 00:12:36,862 --> 00:12:38,896 Fine, if-- honestly, this is stupid. 299 00:12:38,931 --> 00:12:40,931 If you don't want to, then, seriously, 300 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,965 let's just get off the phone. 301 00:12:44,103 --> 00:12:45,172 Two minutes? 302 00:12:45,241 --> 00:12:46,862 All right, awesome, see you then! 303 00:12:46,931 --> 00:12:47,931 She just got off the phone with him. 304 00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,103 Sending the decoy out. 305 00:12:49,137 --> 00:12:50,931 There he is. Go out! 306 00:12:50,965 --> 00:12:53,758 I had to look at it as "This is an acting job..." 307 00:12:53,862 --> 00:12:55,620 Are you coming?! Come on! 308 00:12:55,689 --> 00:12:58,103 "But it's one that really heavily relies on me 309 00:12:58,206 --> 00:12:59,758 doing my job correctly." 310 00:12:59,793 --> 00:13:00,965 Have a seat. Will you pour me a drink, please? 311 00:13:01,068 --> 00:13:02,241 - Oh, yeah, sure! - Awesome! 312 00:13:02,275 --> 00:13:03,896 I'm just gonna go get my bikini now... 313 00:13:03,931 --> 00:13:05,448 Okay. 314 00:13:05,482 --> 00:13:06,620 The improv part was super important, 315 00:13:06,724 --> 00:13:08,620 and my biggest goal was always 316 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:10,068 get them to expose themselves -- 317 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:12,793 like, get Chris Hansen his best interview. 318 00:13:12,896 --> 00:13:14,137 Why are you paranoid?! 319 00:13:14,241 --> 00:13:16,517 Just picture me naked and come on in! 320 00:13:16,586 --> 00:13:18,000 I swear... 321 00:13:18,068 --> 00:13:21,896 Why do you think the show was so popular? 322 00:13:21,965 --> 00:13:25,482 I think it brought a lot of awareness to parents. 323 00:13:25,586 --> 00:13:28,275 Like, I think that you get sucked in because you're like, 324 00:13:28,379 --> 00:13:29,965 "This is a problem." 325 00:13:30,068 --> 00:13:34,931 And, also, I don't think people realized TV could be like this 326 00:13:35,068 --> 00:13:37,586 'til To Catch a Predator came along and actually put it in 327 00:13:37,655 --> 00:13:39,793 people's faces that, like, this is real life, 328 00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:43,034 it's not just, you know, fiction. 329 00:13:45,103 --> 00:13:47,137 My uncle is a realtor and was helping rent 330 00:13:47,206 --> 00:13:50,827 out my nana's house to NBC, and so my dad went down helping 331 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:53,827 handle all the paperwork, and they were explaining the show, 332 00:13:53,931 --> 00:13:57,758 and that they hire an actress from LA to fly in and play 333 00:13:57,793 --> 00:14:00,620 an underage girl, and he's like, 334 00:14:00,689 --> 00:14:02,241 "My daughter is an actress, 335 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:04,758 and she looks incredibly young for 18!" 336 00:14:04,827 --> 00:14:08,000 This is actually the shot... 337 00:14:08,068 --> 00:14:10,103 that gave me... 338 00:14:10,137 --> 00:14:12,000 the job. 339 00:14:12,793 --> 00:14:15,655 It was definitely the dance belt. 340 00:14:15,793 --> 00:14:19,344 That definitely says "12-year-old girl," right? 341 00:14:19,448 --> 00:14:20,758 Do you think it's weird 342 00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:22,344 that your dad volunteered you for that? 343 00:14:23,793 --> 00:14:25,862 He had no idea what he was getting himself into. 344 00:14:25,931 --> 00:14:27,068 More so himself than me. 345 00:14:27,137 --> 00:14:28,965 I was fine! 346 00:14:29,413 --> 00:14:33,620 My job was truly... 347 00:14:33,724 --> 00:14:34,931 "Be a face," right? 348 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,793 That's what they explained to me! 349 00:14:36,827 --> 00:14:38,793 Casey, can you hear me? 350 00:14:38,862 --> 00:14:41,586 Go ahead and, uh, open the door for him. 351 00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:42,862 Hey, come on in! 352 00:14:42,931 --> 00:14:44,965 On the steps, opening the door. 353 00:14:45,068 --> 00:14:47,896 - He's in the kitchen, call out! - Hey, I'm in here! 354 00:14:47,965 --> 00:14:49,103 The security guard told me, 355 00:14:49,172 --> 00:14:52,482 he was like, "You are God to them. 356 00:14:52,586 --> 00:14:55,793 That's why it's so powerful you-- when you say 'Sit' and 357 00:14:55,862 --> 00:14:58,931 point your finger, they will sit." 358 00:14:59,068 --> 00:15:00,793 And I was like, "Oh! 359 00:15:00,862 --> 00:15:02,862 I have the upper hand here." 360 00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:04,896 Oh my God! 361 00:15:06,103 --> 00:15:07,586 I wanted a paycheck. 362 00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:09,862 "Sure, yup, sign me up." 363 00:15:09,931 --> 00:15:11,310 I look young. 364 00:15:11,379 --> 00:15:13,896 And I think that was the... 365 00:15:13,965 --> 00:15:14,793 "Okay! 366 00:15:14,896 --> 00:15:16,586 Perfect, that's what we need." 367 00:15:16,689 --> 00:15:18,758 I don't think it was... 368 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:22,862 I don't think they really expected much of me as 369 00:15:22,931 --> 00:15:23,689 an actor. 370 00:15:23,758 --> 00:15:25,896 How ya doin', Stanley? 371 00:15:25,965 --> 00:15:27,206 Doin' good? 372 00:15:27,275 --> 00:15:28,758 Tough drive? 373 00:15:28,793 --> 00:15:30,448 But it was a little nerve-wracking. 374 00:15:30,551 --> 00:15:34,310 It was nerve-wracking, um, having to answer the door, 375 00:15:34,379 --> 00:15:36,103 - um... - Ya thirsty? 376 00:15:36,137 --> 00:15:37,793 No? Can I pour one for myself? 377 00:15:37,862 --> 00:15:39,793 Make them-- welcome them in... 378 00:15:39,827 --> 00:15:41,931 So, what do ya think we should start with? 379 00:15:42,034 --> 00:15:43,896 What are you thinking? 380 00:15:43,965 --> 00:15:46,758 I think a lot of it, though, too, was... 381 00:15:46,793 --> 00:15:49,862 What is the, uh, lesson plan for tonight? 382 00:15:49,931 --> 00:15:52,655 "Don't blow the cover. 383 00:15:52,758 --> 00:15:56,551 - You've got a ton of people here - - who've been working hard now 384 00:15:56,620 --> 00:16:00,172 for X amount of days -- that you'd let down." 385 00:16:02,068 --> 00:16:05,896 It was kind of like a cool gang that you're in, 386 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:10,241 making sure these bad guys don't hurt any kids. 387 00:16:13,448 --> 00:16:15,862 Seems like an okay club! 388 00:16:15,931 --> 00:16:18,068 You know? 389 00:16:21,034 --> 00:16:26,206 ♪pensive ethereal music♪ 390 00:17:00,862 --> 00:17:02,827 I definitely see 391 00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:06,344 that not all of these people could recognize reality 392 00:17:06,413 --> 00:17:08,655 versus fantasy. 393 00:17:12,793 --> 00:17:16,896 Some of them were so far in mentally, 394 00:17:16,965 --> 00:17:20,172 that they couldn't differentiate the two. 395 00:17:27,793 --> 00:17:30,724 They know what they're doing to a degree, 396 00:17:30,793 --> 00:17:33,827 but it comes from this place of non-acceptance, 397 00:17:33,896 --> 00:17:36,758 loneliness, and fear. 398 00:17:37,068 --> 00:17:39,827 And so, by sitting safe on their computer, 399 00:17:39,896 --> 00:17:41,862 at their home, 400 00:17:42,689 --> 00:17:46,344 they found this easy in. 401 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:51,137 I gave them that full permission to disobey any 402 00:17:51,206 --> 00:17:55,517 thought that maybe this isn't okay. 403 00:17:57,620 --> 00:17:58,896 You didn't think I was real? 404 00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:00,724 Well, that can be anybody in that thing. 405 00:18:00,793 --> 00:18:01,896 Yeah. 406 00:18:01,965 --> 00:18:04,620 No, I'm real. 407 00:18:04,896 --> 00:18:08,103 The men would write themselves a pornographic film, 408 00:18:08,172 --> 00:18:11,068 which showed up in a chat log. 409 00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:14,965 And they wanted to follow through on this fantasy they 410 00:18:15,034 --> 00:18:17,827 co-created with the show, 411 00:18:17,931 --> 00:18:21,793 where kids are hyper-sexualized and sexually available. 412 00:18:21,862 --> 00:18:23,862 Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Are you excited? 413 00:18:23,931 --> 00:18:25,551 Yeah! 414 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:26,620 And where that is actually okay at some level. 415 00:18:26,724 --> 00:18:28,413 What do you wanna do? 416 00:18:28,448 --> 00:18:30,793 This was the era of Britney Spears and young girls 417 00:18:30,827 --> 00:18:33,689 all the time on TV as sexual objects. 418 00:18:33,758 --> 00:18:35,310 Finally agrees and he says, 419 00:18:35,413 --> 00:18:36,758 "Nice tummy, hun. 420 00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:39,241 I want to lick that." 421 00:18:39,655 --> 00:18:40,931 Why are you paranoid?! 422 00:18:40,965 --> 00:18:43,034 Just picture me naked and come on in! 423 00:18:43,103 --> 00:18:45,448 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline. 424 00:18:45,517 --> 00:18:48,620 Talking to kids or pretend kids -- decoys -- 425 00:18:48,689 --> 00:18:52,310 online is already a crime. 426 00:18:52,379 --> 00:18:55,758 So, the show's only job... 427 00:18:55,827 --> 00:18:58,413 is to get the men to the house, 428 00:18:58,448 --> 00:19:03,724 just to sell that fantasy for a few more minutes in person. 429 00:19:03,862 --> 00:19:06,068 The parents aren't home. 430 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:08,034 The boy or girl is eager. 431 00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:09,931 Come on in! 432 00:19:10,103 --> 00:19:11,655 Come in! 433 00:19:11,758 --> 00:19:12,793 And so, when the men do get the courage, 434 00:19:12,896 --> 00:19:14,689 eventually, to show up... 435 00:19:14,758 --> 00:19:16,241 Oh my God... 436 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:20,000 It's even better than their dreams. 437 00:19:21,275 --> 00:19:24,862 Because the show made it that way. 438 00:19:28,275 --> 00:19:31,068 Okay, out of the vehicle. 439 00:19:31,724 --> 00:19:32,896 Hey! 440 00:19:32,965 --> 00:19:34,275 Come on in! 441 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:35,586 Walking into our undercover house is 442 00:19:35,689 --> 00:19:37,862 39-year-old John Elliot. 443 00:19:37,931 --> 00:19:41,000 We've hired this 19-year-old actress, Casey, 444 00:19:41,068 --> 00:19:42,517 to be our decoy. 445 00:19:42,586 --> 00:19:45,241 Using a screen name so disturbing we can't broadcast 446 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:48,068 it, he tells the decoy about his fantasy... 447 00:19:48,137 --> 00:19:49,137 Oh! 448 00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:50,482 Of being with a young girl. 449 00:19:50,586 --> 00:19:51,862 - "You were asking me about..." - Yeah. 450 00:19:51,931 --> 00:19:52,655 "What I was daydreaming about. 451 00:19:52,724 --> 00:19:53,758 Well, that's it. 452 00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:55,793 You nude, and me licking you. 453 00:19:55,896 --> 00:19:57,275 Gosh, you're pretty!" 454 00:19:57,379 --> 00:19:58,758 Thank you! 455 00:19:58,827 --> 00:20:00,931 So, what are your plans or what are you thinking? 456 00:20:00,965 --> 00:20:02,862 Kissing you. 457 00:20:02,931 --> 00:20:05,724 Yeah? 458 00:20:05,793 --> 00:20:08,275 You know, how we was talking on the internet. 459 00:20:08,344 --> 00:20:10,586 There were a few... 460 00:20:10,655 --> 00:20:12,931 I wanted to just be like, "Go home." 461 00:20:12,965 --> 00:20:16,724 I'm a freshman in college, I'm trying to figure out my life, 462 00:20:16,793 --> 00:20:18,896 and one of the guys that came, we were, like, 463 00:20:18,965 --> 00:20:20,655 pretty similar. 464 00:20:20,724 --> 00:20:23,241 And I'm just talking to some guy on the beach about, like, 465 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:24,724 "College is rough!" and, you know, 466 00:20:24,793 --> 00:20:26,793 "Do I want this major? Do I not?" 467 00:20:26,896 --> 00:20:28,724 And it was very relatable. 468 00:20:28,793 --> 00:20:30,241 And so badly, I just wanted to be like, 469 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:33,137 "Go home. Go home! Go home." 470 00:20:33,206 --> 00:20:36,344 I just didn't-- I've just been worried that it's all some... 471 00:20:36,413 --> 00:20:38,034 just some crazy... 472 00:20:38,103 --> 00:20:39,000 scheme. 473 00:20:39,068 --> 00:20:40,206 What do you mean? 474 00:20:40,275 --> 00:20:41,793 They pay for, like, cops to, like, 475 00:20:41,827 --> 00:20:43,551 pretend they're, like, girls and like that. 476 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:45,034 - Are you serious?! - Yeah! 477 00:20:45,103 --> 00:20:46,344 So, I mean, I usually don't worry about it... 478 00:20:47,482 --> 00:20:48,827 But it was just, like, so awkward, 479 00:20:48,896 --> 00:20:50,137 I don't-- I don't know... 480 00:20:50,241 --> 00:20:51,413 But I guess everything's cool. 481 00:20:51,448 --> 00:20:52,896 I mean, I just-- I don't know, so... 482 00:20:52,965 --> 00:20:54,827 But as he's about to find out, 483 00:20:54,896 --> 00:20:56,896 everything isn't cool. 484 00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:58,586 - How it goin'? - Pretty good, how you doin'? 485 00:20:58,655 --> 00:20:59,931 Good! How are you? 486 00:21:00,034 --> 00:21:02,413 - I'm all right. - What's happenin'? 487 00:21:02,931 --> 00:21:05,000 You wanna be a television reporter. 488 00:21:05,068 --> 00:21:06,413 Yes. 489 00:21:06,448 --> 00:21:07,310 Have you ever been on TV before? 490 00:21:07,379 --> 00:21:09,034 No. 491 00:21:09,103 --> 00:21:10,655 Well, this is one of those "good news, bad news" 492 00:21:10,724 --> 00:21:12,689 situations, John. 493 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:16,068 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, 494 00:21:16,137 --> 00:21:19,034 and we're doing To Catch a Predator... 495 00:21:19,103 --> 00:21:22,137 Please tell me you're not! Please! 496 00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:24,862 I do not wanna be ruined for my-- I wanted to go to college 497 00:21:24,931 --> 00:21:26,068 and everything! 498 00:21:26,103 --> 00:21:27,793 I wanna go for sports broadcasting! 499 00:21:27,896 --> 00:21:30,206 I didn't realize it at the time how taxing 500 00:21:30,275 --> 00:21:31,965 it was... 501 00:21:32,034 --> 00:21:33,827 emotionally and mentally. 502 00:21:33,931 --> 00:21:35,793 Years later, I'm still emotionally exhausted. 503 00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:39,034 Like, I have never, like, watched this post it airing 504 00:21:39,103 --> 00:21:41,068 originally. 505 00:21:41,896 --> 00:21:45,103 Like, over the years, I've had my ways of being able to, like, 506 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:47,241 work through it, right? But... 507 00:21:47,275 --> 00:21:50,206 that's a lot for someone to take in! 508 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:52,206 Yeah. 509 00:21:53,827 --> 00:21:55,310 Greg, you stand there... 510 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:05,413 Before you started working with Dateline, 511 00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:08,620 what did you think of the show? 512 00:22:08,689 --> 00:22:11,758 Not-- I hadn't really seen it. 513 00:22:11,827 --> 00:22:16,034 The, uh-- my staff brought me a proposal 514 00:22:16,103 --> 00:22:17,413 about... 515 00:22:17,482 --> 00:22:20,758 child predators and some sort of a sting operation. 516 00:22:20,827 --> 00:22:22,758 That's when we partnered with them, 517 00:22:22,862 --> 00:22:24,448 and we did three stings. 518 00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:26,724 Kentucky Attorney General Greg Stumbo worked with 519 00:22:26,793 --> 00:22:29,586 Dateline in Northern Kentucky last spring. 520 00:22:29,689 --> 00:22:30,827 Thanks for helping us. 521 00:22:30,896 --> 00:22:32,620 To us, it was just a natural fit. 522 00:22:32,724 --> 00:22:36,137 Law enforcement is not equipped to conduct these types of 523 00:22:36,206 --> 00:22:37,689 operations at this point. 524 00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:40,310 So the stings went off without a hitch, 525 00:22:40,413 --> 00:22:42,482 the prosecutions all went well, 526 00:22:42,551 --> 00:22:46,000 so I got a lot of "Atta boys" at home, you know, for being... 527 00:22:46,068 --> 00:22:49,620 for doing this and getting on national television. 528 00:22:49,724 --> 00:22:52,586 But the point of it is 529 00:22:52,689 --> 00:22:55,448 it needs to be addressed. 530 00:22:55,551 --> 00:22:57,896 These people are out there and they're dangerous, 531 00:22:57,965 --> 00:23:00,758 but none of them had criminal backgrounds, 532 00:23:00,827 --> 00:23:03,172 so they'd never been arrested before. 533 00:23:03,241 --> 00:23:05,793 Unless we did something of this nature, 534 00:23:05,896 --> 00:23:07,931 they would have never been brought to the forefront 535 00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:11,517 because we had no idea who these people were! 536 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:15,068 As a prosecutor, 537 00:23:15,137 --> 00:23:16,793 aside from arresting these men, 538 00:23:16,862 --> 00:23:18,103 did you ever wonder to yourself, 539 00:23:18,137 --> 00:23:21,241 "Okay, we can put these men in jail, sure. 540 00:23:21,724 --> 00:23:24,965 But how can we fix the problem? 541 00:23:25,068 --> 00:23:27,655 How can we rehabilitate these men? 542 00:23:27,724 --> 00:23:30,758 How can we stop this from happening? How can we--" 543 00:23:30,793 --> 00:23:32,793 My job's not to rehabilitate 'em, 544 00:23:32,862 --> 00:23:36,172 my job's to make 'em be responsible for the act 545 00:23:36,275 --> 00:23:37,724 that they committed. 546 00:23:37,793 --> 00:23:40,206 These are criminals -- these are hardened criminals -- 547 00:23:40,275 --> 00:23:41,931 that engaged... 548 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,241 in this particular type of predatory conduct, 549 00:23:47,827 --> 00:23:49,310 intentionally, 550 00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:51,862 with malice aforethought, 551 00:23:51,965 --> 00:23:54,655 you know, with all the criminal intent that you can think of in 552 00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:56,655 the world to harm that child. 553 00:23:56,758 --> 00:24:00,931 And I have-- I have absolutely no compassion for 'em. 554 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,758 I mean, um... 555 00:24:02,827 --> 00:24:04,689 somebody asked me one time what I thought about the death 556 00:24:04,793 --> 00:24:06,896 penalty, and I said, "Well, I'd shoot the son of a bitch myself 557 00:24:06,965 --> 00:24:08,758 if they'd let me." 558 00:24:08,827 --> 00:24:09,931 And... 559 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,793 But those are the type of people that... 560 00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:15,206 They're just dangerous. 561 00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:17,103 I mean, they're just dangerous, but we know they're out there, 562 00:24:17,172 --> 00:24:20,068 and they're dangerous for our children. 563 00:24:21,551 --> 00:24:23,068 So what would you say 564 00:24:23,137 --> 00:24:24,896 to someone who's critical of the show? 565 00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:27,931 You don't understand the problem if you're critical. 566 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,275 Mister Chairman, I'm glad to see Mister Chris Hansen 567 00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:31,827 here today. 568 00:24:31,862 --> 00:24:33,965 His Dateline NBC series of on child predators has wakened 569 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,931 America to the dangers our children face... 570 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,965 The more light we shed upon this topic, 571 00:24:39,034 --> 00:24:42,034 it's gonna have a chilling effect on these crimes. 572 00:24:42,137 --> 00:24:45,793 Nearly 130 men have surfaced in our five investigations. 573 00:24:45,862 --> 00:24:47,965 98 of them have been charged criminally. 574 00:24:48,068 --> 00:24:49,586 Seven have pleaded guilty. 575 00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:51,655 Most people didn't have any problem 576 00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:53,137 with what we did. 577 00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:54,724 Our next guest is the host of the funniest comedy on 578 00:24:54,793 --> 00:24:55,862 television. 579 00:24:55,931 --> 00:24:57,517 It's called To Catch a Predator. 580 00:24:57,620 --> 00:25:00,103 If you haven't seen it, it's like Punk'd for pedophiles. 581 00:25:00,172 --> 00:25:01,620 It's a great show. 582 00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:03,310 And you can watch it this Wednesday night on NBC. 583 00:25:03,379 --> 00:25:06,241 Please say hello to Chris Hansen! 584 00:25:06,793 --> 00:25:09,241 And people respond to it, obviously. 585 00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:11,034 When did you realize this is gold? 586 00:25:11,103 --> 00:25:12,793 Well... 587 00:25:12,827 --> 00:25:15,172 after the second one, I figured, "You know... 588 00:25:15,241 --> 00:25:16,413 this is really compelling." 589 00:25:16,482 --> 00:25:17,931 Uh-huh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it is. 590 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,103 It's very compelling. 591 00:25:19,137 --> 00:25:20,827 Have a cookie! I made them! 592 00:25:20,896 --> 00:25:22,758 You wanna explain yourself? 593 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,827 Wrap it around yourself. 594 00:25:27,931 --> 00:25:30,172 And please sit on that stool. 595 00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:31,689 What are you doing?! 596 00:25:31,793 --> 00:25:34,000 Whose idea was it to tell the guy to get naked before he 597 00:25:34,068 --> 00:25:35,206 came in? 598 00:25:35,275 --> 00:25:36,862 Well, occasionally, they decoys will get a little 599 00:25:36,965 --> 00:25:38,793 - playful in the chat. - I don't-- I don't wanna, um... 600 00:25:38,896 --> 00:25:40,862 be on the news. You feel me? 601 00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:42,241 We are filming. 602 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:43,655 I don't wanna be on the news, dawg. 603 00:25:43,724 --> 00:25:45,724 Well, it's a little late for that, dawg. 604 00:25:45,793 --> 00:25:47,310 It's news gathering, you know, 605 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:48,758 so we don't need to get, uh... 606 00:25:48,793 --> 00:25:50,172 - Permission. - Permission. 607 00:25:50,275 --> 00:25:51,620 - I mean, it's for a news show. - I know! 608 00:25:51,655 --> 00:25:53,103 And we're taping what really happens. 609 00:25:53,172 --> 00:25:54,793 I know! I-- Could you see that guy... 610 00:25:54,862 --> 00:25:56,310 You know, listen: amazing work. 611 00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:58,000 Police! Raise your hands! 612 00:25:58,068 --> 00:25:59,965 You might think, "Boy, is that gotcha journalism?" 613 00:26:00,068 --> 00:26:01,655 or "Is that exploitative?" 614 00:26:01,758 --> 00:26:04,758 I think anybody that's having sex with children or trying to, 615 00:26:04,827 --> 00:26:06,758 you guys should do this show ev-- you should have your own 616 00:26:06,793 --> 00:26:08,931 channel of this show. 617 00:26:08,965 --> 00:26:10,379 You thought I was a police officer? 618 00:26:10,448 --> 00:26:12,793 Yeah, I have no idea who you are. 619 00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:13,896 Okay, well you do now. 620 00:26:13,965 --> 00:26:15,275 - Hello, Homer. - Ah! 621 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:17,620 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. 622 00:26:17,655 --> 00:26:19,931 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. 623 00:26:19,965 --> 00:26:21,275 Oh my God! 624 00:26:21,344 --> 00:26:22,793 Most recently, as of, you know, 625 00:26:22,827 --> 00:26:24,758 this Spring when we were shooting in Florida, 626 00:26:24,793 --> 00:26:26,758 you know, guys were coming in and, 627 00:26:26,827 --> 00:26:28,275 before I could say, you know, "I'm Chris Hansen, 628 00:26:28,344 --> 00:26:30,379 Dateline NBC," they were saying "I know, 629 00:26:30,448 --> 00:26:31,931 I know, I know." 630 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,758 It's almost like Candid Camera, 631 00:26:33,827 --> 00:26:35,172 only with... 632 00:26:35,241 --> 00:26:38,620 criminals that get arrested and go to jail. 633 00:26:38,724 --> 00:26:41,172 It's-- it's unbelievable. 634 00:26:42,137 --> 00:26:45,206 Just come on over here and face this wall for me. 635 00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:50,034 You gotta anything on you I need to know about? 636 00:26:50,103 --> 00:26:51,344 Anything sharp? 637 00:26:51,413 --> 00:26:52,758 Any needles or... 638 00:26:52,827 --> 00:26:54,103 The only thing I had was a pocketknife, 639 00:26:54,137 --> 00:26:56,793 but I think they put that in the bag. 640 00:26:56,862 --> 00:26:58,827 Are you a counselor too? Or... 641 00:26:58,896 --> 00:27:00,241 No, I'm-- I'm an agent. 642 00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:03,275 I'm with the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation. 643 00:27:03,344 --> 00:27:04,965 Oh, okay, I just thought maybe you was a... 644 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,965 Okay. 645 00:27:06,068 --> 00:27:08,655 So, you are under arrest. 646 00:27:08,758 --> 00:27:09,896 You understand that? 647 00:27:09,965 --> 00:27:11,896 Oh yeah, definitely. 648 00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:13,586 Yeah. 649 00:27:13,655 --> 00:27:16,724 So this is-- this is raw footage 650 00:27:16,793 --> 00:27:17,655 from the show, 651 00:27:17,758 --> 00:27:19,517 from the interrogation rooms 652 00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:22,827 after Chris would do the arrests. 653 00:27:22,931 --> 00:27:24,793 Okay. Was this never aired? 654 00:27:24,827 --> 00:27:29,379 Some did but not in raw form like this. 655 00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:30,931 Okay. 656 00:27:30,965 --> 00:27:33,931 But this is what I find interesting. 657 00:27:35,275 --> 00:27:37,758 For me, watching the raw footage 658 00:27:37,827 --> 00:27:40,137 gives me a very different feeling 659 00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:42,413 than the broadcasted episodes. 660 00:27:45,655 --> 00:27:47,000 Can I talk to you off camera? 661 00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:48,310 I can't do that, I'm sorry. 662 00:27:48,379 --> 00:27:50,793 Do you guys have any help for me? 663 00:27:50,862 --> 00:27:54,206 There-- there are a number of ways to get help, 664 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,655 and we're gonna get into that in the story. 665 00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:58,137 My insurance covers therapy, 666 00:27:58,172 --> 00:27:59,827 and that's obviously what I need, 667 00:27:59,862 --> 00:28:03,724 for obviously more than this issue but a number of things. 668 00:28:03,793 --> 00:28:05,724 If I... 669 00:28:06,034 --> 00:28:08,034 Even if it was something you... 670 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,379 I just don't... 671 00:28:09,448 --> 00:28:12,241 I don't want this to ruin the rest of my life. 672 00:28:18,137 --> 00:28:20,241 I'm sorry, Mr. Hansen. I'm sorry, all you guys. 673 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:21,620 I'm sorry... 674 00:28:21,689 --> 00:28:24,551 if this does end up on air, I'm sorry. 675 00:28:28,103 --> 00:28:30,758 To show these men as human beings, 676 00:28:30,827 --> 00:28:33,275 this show kind of... breaks down. 677 00:28:36,862 --> 00:28:40,103 And maybe that's why it didn't make it on TV. 678 00:28:40,655 --> 00:28:44,103 Yes, he's maybe done and said awful things... 679 00:28:44,689 --> 00:28:47,689 but it shows some humanity that's... 680 00:28:47,758 --> 00:28:50,206 hard to ignore. 681 00:28:53,241 --> 00:28:55,896 John W. Elliot. 682 00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:58,310 A lot of Elliots where I grew up. 683 00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,931 Where'd you grow up? 684 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,137 I grew up in Bell County. 685 00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:02,931 You know where that is? 686 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,758 I'm sorry, I don't. 687 00:29:04,827 --> 00:29:06,793 You don't even know where Bell County is?! 688 00:29:06,827 --> 00:29:08,310 I thought everybody knew where... 689 00:29:08,344 --> 00:29:11,206 It's where the Cumberland Gap is. 690 00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:14,172 It sounds pretty. 691 00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:16,310 It is; it's nice. 692 00:29:16,379 --> 00:29:18,827 Maybe you can go there some time. 693 00:29:18,896 --> 00:29:21,827 Got a PGA Tour golf course... 694 00:29:21,896 --> 00:29:23,241 - Sorry. - You all right? 695 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:24,758 Yup. 696 00:29:24,793 --> 00:29:27,310 You've been through a lot. 697 00:29:27,862 --> 00:29:30,172 I don't-- I don't deserve any remorse. 698 00:29:30,241 --> 00:29:32,344 I don't, mm-mm. 699 00:29:32,413 --> 00:29:35,034 You know what, John? 700 00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:39,034 You're gonna live through this. 701 00:29:41,758 --> 00:29:44,034 No, I'm not. 702 00:29:47,793 --> 00:29:48,931 I don't like it when anybody sees me 703 00:29:48,965 --> 00:29:50,724 like this. 704 00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:54,689 I'm just embarrassed. 705 00:29:55,103 --> 00:29:59,241 This is not typical of a criminal interrogation. 706 00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:02,517 This individual, you know, if he serves his time, 707 00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:05,862 if he goes through some sort of rehabilitative process, 708 00:30:05,965 --> 00:30:08,862 maybe he won't do it again, maybe he can come back and-- 709 00:30:08,931 --> 00:30:10,310 and become a... 710 00:30:10,379 --> 00:30:12,965 a productive member of society. 711 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,931 Uh... 712 00:30:16,344 --> 00:30:20,103 But he needs to be punished for his crime. 713 00:30:27,241 --> 00:30:32,413 ♪pensive ethereal music♪ 714 00:30:46,206 --> 00:30:48,862 You could offer me... 715 00:30:48,931 --> 00:30:51,137 $10 million... 716 00:30:51,689 --> 00:30:55,551 to film that episode in Texas again. 717 00:30:59,413 --> 00:31:01,034 And I wouldn't take it. 718 00:31:01,137 --> 00:31:05,068 I wouldn't-- I would not take it and be happy about that 719 00:31:05,137 --> 00:31:07,206 decision. 720 00:31:22,413 --> 00:31:23,413 Hello? 721 00:31:23,482 --> 00:31:24,862 Hey, Will? 722 00:31:24,965 --> 00:31:26,379 Hey, what are you doin'? 723 00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:27,413 Nothin', what are you doin'? 724 00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:29,034 Nothin'. 725 00:31:29,103 --> 00:31:32,827 I was looking up to see how to get to where you are. 726 00:31:32,896 --> 00:31:35,137 Are you gonna come over? 727 00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:37,034 Is it okay? 728 00:31:37,103 --> 00:31:39,413 Yeah! 729 00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:44,344 - Are you sure? - Totally. 730 00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:47,103 Hundred percent. 731 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,689 You leave yet?! 732 00:31:54,758 --> 00:31:55,827 No... 733 00:31:55,931 --> 00:31:57,034 You didn't leave yet?! 734 00:31:57,103 --> 00:31:59,000 No. 735 00:31:59,965 --> 00:32:01,793 Are you gonna come or not?! 736 00:32:01,896 --> 00:32:03,758 Yes, I shall. 737 00:32:03,827 --> 00:32:05,344 Well, when are you gonna come over?! 738 00:32:05,448 --> 00:32:08,172 Well, a little later. 739 00:32:08,241 --> 00:32:09,758 A little later?! 740 00:32:09,827 --> 00:32:11,827 Yeah, is that all right? 741 00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:15,034 Yeah, I guess... 742 00:33:20,517 --> 00:33:23,517 We saw a fella ride his horse right up the street. 743 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:24,965 Took a good look at us. 744 00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:30,517 If there's someone in there, they know we're out here. 745 00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:31,758 - Yeah. - Chief said he felt 746 00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:33,103 more comfortable calling the TAC team out 747 00:33:33,172 --> 00:33:35,310 to get through, help pick them up, and... 748 00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:36,620 Make an entry with a TAC team? 749 00:33:36,689 --> 00:33:38,172 - Make a forced entry. - Okay. 750 00:33:38,275 --> 00:33:40,793 If it has to be like that, that's what he wants to do, 751 00:33:40,896 --> 00:33:41,827 - so... - Okay. 752 00:33:41,931 --> 00:33:43,310 This is y'all's call on that. 753 00:33:43,379 --> 00:33:44,793 We're on the phone now 754 00:33:44,862 --> 00:33:47,137 calling the TAC team out to get them in line. 755 00:33:47,241 --> 00:33:48,655 Okay. 756 00:33:48,689 --> 00:33:49,931 Apparently we're gonna have a little waiting period 757 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,137 because, you know, as I said-- 758 00:33:51,172 --> 00:33:52,482 Put together the tactical team? 759 00:33:52,586 --> 00:33:53,793 - Yep. - Yeah, it won't take them 760 00:33:53,862 --> 00:33:55,310 It won't take them long. 761 00:33:55,344 --> 00:33:56,275 They're pretty quick. 762 00:33:56,379 --> 00:33:57,517 Okay. 763 00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,103 We called him this morning on a fake call. 764 00:34:00,137 --> 00:34:01,448 We got the number. 765 00:34:01,482 --> 00:34:04,310 If somebody wants to call and try to talk him out. 766 00:34:04,379 --> 00:34:05,413 If he answers... 767 00:34:05,482 --> 00:34:07,034 - Mind if I do it? - I don't know. 768 00:34:10,241 --> 00:34:11,793 Nine-seven-two... 769 00:34:13,172 --> 00:34:14,310 five-two-four... 770 00:34:19,655 --> 00:34:20,827 The sergeant's out here. 771 00:34:20,931 --> 00:34:22,172 He's obtained the telephone number. 772 00:34:22,241 --> 00:34:24,620 He's attempting telephone contact, 773 00:34:24,655 --> 00:34:26,448 but it doesn't look like he's getting a message. 774 00:35:01,896 --> 00:35:05,103 Got a detective back there? 775 00:35:06,931 --> 00:35:08,793 All the way back. 776 00:35:08,931 --> 00:35:11,275 Back to the fence. 777 00:35:19,896 --> 00:35:21,206 Keep going. 778 00:35:39,517 --> 00:35:40,758 He shot himself. 779 00:35:40,827 --> 00:35:43,103 Oh, my god. 780 00:35:43,172 --> 00:35:45,482 I don't know if he's dead or not, so... 781 00:35:46,655 --> 00:35:48,586 What can you tell us about the scene? 782 00:35:48,655 --> 00:35:50,517 It's just a gunshot wound to the head. 783 00:35:53,758 --> 00:35:54,724 So... 784 00:35:54,793 --> 00:35:56,137 Any idea on when it occurred? 785 00:35:56,206 --> 00:35:57,551 I don't know for sure. 786 00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:59,034 Okay. 787 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:03,758 They're calling for CareFlite, so... 788 00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:04,620 Okay. 789 00:36:04,724 --> 00:36:07,448 They'll land somewhere and 790 00:36:07,517 --> 00:36:08,862 get an ambulance and take him out. 791 00:36:08,931 --> 00:36:10,000 Okay. 792 00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:17,137 Y'all go ahead and scoot back. 793 00:36:17,241 --> 00:36:18,275 - The ambulance-- - Yeah. 794 00:36:20,241 --> 00:36:23,448 Well, there's going to be some controversy. 795 00:36:23,482 --> 00:36:26,241 It's better that he did it when, uh, 796 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,793 as they were coming in, as opposed to... 797 00:36:36,793 --> 00:36:38,517 I know it's preliminary, 798 00:36:38,586 --> 00:36:40,379 you guys are still piecing this together here, 799 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,137 but as best you can tell us, lieutenant, 800 00:36:42,172 --> 00:36:44,931 what happened as the entry team came in? 801 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,310 As they made entry, they confronted the suspect. 802 00:36:47,344 --> 00:36:48,620 I believe he was in the hallway 803 00:36:48,689 --> 00:36:50,379 and he told them he wasn't gonna hurt them, 804 00:36:50,448 --> 00:36:51,896 and then shot himself in the head. 805 00:36:51,965 --> 00:36:53,413 And he had a pistol in his hand? 806 00:36:53,482 --> 00:36:55,206 - Small caliber. - And shot himself in his head. 807 00:36:55,793 --> 00:36:57,482 All right, lieutenant, thanks. I appreciate it. 808 00:37:14,241 --> 00:37:15,689 We're having fun? 809 00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:22,413 You hear they got a 300-pounder out there? 810 00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:24,758 - No. - Showed up at the house. 811 00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:26,103 - Are you serious? - They already arrested him. 812 00:37:26,137 --> 00:37:27,896 He wanted-- Brad couldn't remember-- 813 00:37:27,965 --> 00:37:29,517 he either wanted to take a dump on the boy 814 00:37:29,586 --> 00:37:31,448 or have the boy take a dump on him. 815 00:37:33,724 --> 00:37:35,000 Oh, man. 816 00:37:58,103 --> 00:38:03,310 I know I was at the house when I heard what happened. 817 00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:09,137 It might have been an hour after that that... 818 00:38:09,241 --> 00:38:11,034 we were told, "That's it. 819 00:38:11,103 --> 00:38:12,034 We're done. 820 00:38:12,103 --> 00:38:14,206 We're done with you guys." 821 00:38:14,275 --> 00:38:16,413 And then... 822 00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:20,689 I know I've blocked that out. 823 00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:22,068 I know I have. 824 00:38:22,137 --> 00:38:23,758 I have. 825 00:38:23,827 --> 00:38:25,551 Um... 826 00:38:26,965 --> 00:38:28,862 This morning, I-- I... 827 00:38:28,931 --> 00:38:31,965 clicked a link on YouTube, 828 00:38:32,068 --> 00:38:35,896 and it brought me to... 829 00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:39,344 it started to play the phone call. 830 00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:40,758 Hello? 831 00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:42,344 Hey, is this Will? 832 00:38:42,413 --> 00:38:44,172 And I heard myself say "Hello?" 833 00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:45,655 - Hey, Will. - How are ya? 834 00:38:45,758 --> 00:38:47,137 Hey, how are you? 835 00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:48,344 I'm good, thanks. 836 00:38:48,448 --> 00:38:49,965 Did you get the dogs walked? 837 00:38:50,034 --> 00:38:50,793 And I had to immediately-- I-- I... 838 00:38:50,827 --> 00:38:51,965 I was done. 839 00:38:52,068 --> 00:38:54,379 I didn't wanna play that game anymore. 840 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:02,034 It's not a place I like to live. 841 00:39:09,068 --> 00:39:12,758 I don't like knowing that I could have been the last person 842 00:39:12,827 --> 00:39:17,068 that this guy had a conversation with, 843 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:20,413 outside of when police showed up. 844 00:39:21,965 --> 00:39:26,655 This was something I had started to pack up as nicely 845 00:39:26,758 --> 00:39:28,862 as I could and... 846 00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:31,655 bury as far... 847 00:39:31,758 --> 00:39:34,379 back as possible. 848 00:39:38,068 --> 00:39:41,931 And then, I heard from you. 849 00:39:46,068 --> 00:39:49,655 I was watching the six o'clock news that day, 850 00:39:49,724 --> 00:39:52,344 and there was a short report 851 00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:55,137 of a man dying, 852 00:39:55,241 --> 00:39:57,000 and I just thought, 853 00:39:57,103 --> 00:40:00,862 "How does somebody die in 854 00:40:00,931 --> 00:40:04,448 the production of a television show?" 855 00:40:05,137 --> 00:40:07,034 It's all supposed to be about justice, 856 00:40:07,137 --> 00:40:09,758 but a News 8 investigation shows that when the motives 857 00:40:09,827 --> 00:40:13,000 of the media and law enforcement get confused, 858 00:40:13,103 --> 00:40:14,620 justice can be meager, 859 00:40:14,724 --> 00:40:16,655 and, in this case, tragic. 860 00:40:16,724 --> 00:40:18,724 We were one of the first new organizations to 861 00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:21,689 investigate To Catch a Predator in Texas. 862 00:40:21,758 --> 00:40:25,172 They seemed to have elements of kind of a traveling circus; 863 00:40:25,275 --> 00:40:30,413 they would go to a town, they would troll for bad guys. 864 00:40:30,655 --> 00:40:32,275 The Collin County DA, he said, "Well, 865 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:35,620 are the police working for the TV show? 866 00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:38,000 Who's employed by whom?" 867 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:43,137 All of that led to big questions from John Roach. 868 00:40:43,758 --> 00:40:46,862 The Murphy Police Department contacted us about 869 00:40:46,931 --> 00:40:49,068 being part of this To Catch a Predator. 870 00:40:49,137 --> 00:40:51,137 We responded in writing and told them we weren't 871 00:40:51,172 --> 00:40:53,310 gonna do it, advised them not to do it, 872 00:40:53,344 --> 00:40:55,310 they were making a huge mistake, 873 00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:57,137 and the phrase we used: 874 00:40:57,172 --> 00:41:00,172 "We're in the law enforcement business, not show business." 875 00:41:00,275 --> 00:41:03,793 Well, they ignored us, and went ahead and did it anyway. 876 00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:07,689 We got into it and found out that some policemen were 877 00:41:07,793 --> 00:41:11,034 wearing a camera -- this was way before body cameras -- 878 00:41:11,103 --> 00:41:15,379 simply to give an action-packed shot when their confrontation 879 00:41:15,448 --> 00:41:17,103 went down. 880 00:41:17,172 --> 00:41:18,827 Bill Conradt was a former Kaufman County 881 00:41:18,931 --> 00:41:20,103 District Attorney. 882 00:41:20,137 --> 00:41:22,310 Now, his sister, Patricia Conradt, 883 00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:25,793 is suing NBC for $105 million. 884 00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:29,793 The entertainment industry cannot act as police, 885 00:41:29,896 --> 00:41:33,379 judge, jury, executioner. 886 00:41:34,068 --> 00:41:36,896 Then, 20/20 did a national story, 887 00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:38,344 stemming from our investigation. 888 00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,000 Hello, and welcome to 20/20. 889 00:41:40,068 --> 00:41:42,655 It's riveting television -- the sight of alleged pedophiles 890 00:41:42,724 --> 00:41:44,827 being caught in a sting, cornered, 891 00:41:44,896 --> 00:41:46,793 thrown to the ground and cuffed. 892 00:41:46,862 --> 00:41:48,724 It's all part of a popular NBC series, 893 00:41:48,793 --> 00:41:51,689 but now, there are serious questions about what goes on 894 00:41:51,758 --> 00:41:53,275 behind the scenes. 895 00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:56,758 As Murphy police detectives, Sam Love and Walt Weiss 896 00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:58,758 played a big role in the operation. 897 00:41:58,793 --> 00:42:00,586 Did you intend to have sex with her? 898 00:42:00,655 --> 00:42:02,551 Both men were seen on the program interrogating 899 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:06,000 suspects, at times, they say, following directions from the 900 00:42:06,103 --> 00:42:07,275 Dateline producer. 901 00:42:07,344 --> 00:42:09,103 By God, when they wanted a camera in place, 902 00:42:09,172 --> 00:42:10,793 it was there. 903 00:42:10,827 --> 00:42:13,896 When they wanted certain things carried out that made it easier 904 00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:16,000 for them to put the television show together, 905 00:42:16,068 --> 00:42:17,931 by God, that problem was addressed. 906 00:42:17,965 --> 00:42:21,137 But the criminal cases were secondary. 907 00:42:22,103 --> 00:42:24,206 Chris Hansen came back to the department and the 908 00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:27,586 police are running up wanting to get pictures for 'em. 909 00:42:27,655 --> 00:42:29,965 I grabbed the camera and took the pictures, 910 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,827 and they asked me, "What about you?" 911 00:42:31,931 --> 00:42:33,724 and I said, "Nah. 912 00:42:33,793 --> 00:42:35,931 I'm cool." 913 00:42:36,724 --> 00:42:38,172 That's not our boss. 914 00:42:38,241 --> 00:42:39,620 He is not a police officer, 915 00:42:39,655 --> 00:42:41,310 he's not a prosecuting attorney. 916 00:42:41,413 --> 00:42:44,000 They're running a TV show! 917 00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:46,689 And it looked more and more and more like... 918 00:42:46,793 --> 00:42:50,241 somebody was being given carte blanche to come in and direct 919 00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:53,689 operations at the police department. 920 00:42:54,137 --> 00:42:56,310 Chris Hansen is acting as an agent of the 921 00:42:56,413 --> 00:42:58,448 police in this instance. 922 00:42:58,724 --> 00:43:00,620 He's interrogating them! 923 00:43:00,689 --> 00:43:02,793 Are you her father or something like that? 924 00:43:02,862 --> 00:43:04,241 I'll get to that in a minute. 925 00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:06,758 Are you a private investigator or police or...? 926 00:43:06,827 --> 00:43:07,965 I'll get to that in just a minute. 927 00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:09,655 Am I gonna go to jail? 928 00:43:09,758 --> 00:43:11,068 That's not up to me. 929 00:43:11,137 --> 00:43:12,758 And the police are gonna use that information -- 930 00:43:12,827 --> 00:43:14,620 they're gonna submit it to the prosecutor -- 931 00:43:14,724 --> 00:43:16,758 so this perpetrator, 932 00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:18,931 he doesn't know that he has a right not to talk, 933 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,344 he has a right to have an attorney, 934 00:43:20,448 --> 00:43:21,862 all those things. 935 00:43:21,965 --> 00:43:23,931 I'm looking at the transcripts, so it's best not to lie, 936 00:43:23,965 --> 00:43:25,620 okay? 937 00:43:25,689 --> 00:43:27,310 I've read the whole thing, so you might as well just tell me. 938 00:43:27,413 --> 00:43:30,862 It was just perfectly clear that these cases were not 939 00:43:30,931 --> 00:43:33,068 prosecutable. 940 00:43:38,758 --> 00:43:40,379 They went over there and did that at that 941 00:43:40,448 --> 00:43:44,206 house because it would do something for the show, 942 00:43:44,275 --> 00:43:47,206 not something for society, not something in the interest of 943 00:43:47,275 --> 00:43:49,241 law enforcement. 944 00:43:49,310 --> 00:43:52,310 And the role that I played in it, 945 00:43:52,379 --> 00:43:55,000 that's a stain on my soul... 946 00:43:55,103 --> 00:43:57,413 that I'm gonna live with... 947 00:43:57,965 --> 00:44:01,896 if I'm any kind of a human being at all. 948 00:44:02,931 --> 00:44:04,931 Uh... 949 00:44:07,172 --> 00:44:08,793 I... 950 00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:10,862 I coulda shut that thing down -- 951 00:44:10,965 --> 00:44:13,620 at least that part of it -- just simply by walking out 952 00:44:13,689 --> 00:44:16,862 the back door and going to see somebody. 953 00:44:17,793 --> 00:44:20,241 I don't know what else I have to tell, 954 00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:21,862 but if you have any more questions, 955 00:44:21,931 --> 00:44:24,275 I'll sit for 'em. 956 00:44:26,172 --> 00:44:28,448 So the episode eventually aired? 957 00:44:33,275 --> 00:44:35,344 It did. 958 00:44:36,034 --> 00:44:37,310 ♪exciting rock music 959 00:44:37,379 --> 00:44:38,793 - This is a nice house. - Thank you! 960 00:44:38,896 --> 00:44:39,862 Nice house, 961 00:44:39,931 --> 00:44:41,241 and guess who's home. 962 00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:42,793 Why don't you have a seat right there, please? 963 00:44:42,896 --> 00:44:43,896 Get ready. 964 00:44:43,965 --> 00:44:45,241 Here come the cops. 965 00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:46,655 - Roll over. - Get on the ground! 966 00:44:46,689 --> 00:44:48,275 Hands behind your back now! 967 00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:50,068 - I guess I'm under arrest, huh? - You think? 968 00:44:50,137 --> 00:44:52,034 Also tonight, something that has never 969 00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:54,137 happened before. 970 00:44:54,793 --> 00:44:57,103 Police move in on a surprising suspect, 971 00:44:57,172 --> 00:44:59,620 and there are deadly consequences. 972 00:44:59,689 --> 00:45:01,172 We all knew who he was. 973 00:45:01,241 --> 00:45:04,000 Nobody anticipated the kind of outcome that resulted. 974 00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:07,862 Mm, and I talked to Dateline's Chris Hansen about this tragic 975 00:45:07,931 --> 00:45:09,310 turn of events, 976 00:45:09,379 --> 00:45:12,172 and this was his reaction to what unfolded that day. 977 00:45:12,275 --> 00:45:14,655 Everybody on the scene would have rather, 978 00:45:14,758 --> 00:45:18,275 uh, have had, uh, Bill Conradt tell his side of the story, 979 00:45:18,344 --> 00:45:21,000 and, if necessary, have his day in court, 980 00:45:21,068 --> 00:45:24,034 but that's not the choice he made. 981 00:45:24,137 --> 00:45:25,827 No, it certainly wasn't. 982 00:45:25,862 --> 00:45:28,931 Make sure you catch Dateline's next predator investigation 983 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,137 Tuesday night. 984 00:45:30,206 --> 00:45:32,896 And, coming up, oops, she left it again! 985 00:45:32,965 --> 00:45:35,758 Britney's second stint in rehab's over and done with, 986 00:45:35,827 --> 00:45:40,137 so can anyone or anything convince her to get the help 987 00:45:40,241 --> 00:45:41,827 she so desperately needs? 988 00:45:41,896 --> 00:45:46,724 But first, Jay Leno shows us the latest hero to hit NBC's... 989 00:45:46,793 --> 00:45:47,896 must-see SC! 990 00:45:47,965 --> 00:45:49,896 It's comin' up next! 991 00:45:51,275 --> 00:45:53,310 ♪I need a hero♪ 992 00:45:53,344 --> 00:45:56,068 ♪I'm holding out for a he--♪ 993 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,103 Good God. 994 00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:03,655 He's standing down the hallway with a handgun in his hand -- 995 00:46:03,758 --> 00:46:05,620 a small caliber gun -- and he says, "I'm not gonna hurt you 996 00:46:05,724 --> 00:46:07,241 guys," and puts the... 997 00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:09,068 gun to his head and shoots himself. 998 00:46:09,137 --> 00:46:10,482 Wow. 999 00:46:10,586 --> 00:46:12,620 So, obviously, they've confiscated the computers from 1000 00:46:12,655 --> 00:46:13,896 him home, and they're-- you know, 1001 00:46:13,965 --> 00:46:15,275 investigators are going through those now. 1002 00:46:15,344 --> 00:46:16,482 Okay. 1003 00:46:16,551 --> 00:46:18,241 And, uh, now, this book comes out, uh... 1004 00:46:18,310 --> 00:46:20,344 To Catch a Predator, this has a lot of tips for... 1005 00:46:20,413 --> 00:46:21,275 It does, it does. 1006 00:46:21,344 --> 00:46:22,482 You know... 1007 00:46:22,551 --> 00:46:24,724 There was no debrief, 1008 00:46:24,793 --> 00:46:27,931 no sense of "Let's talk about how this happened 1009 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,344 and what kind of culpability we have or anyone else -- 1010 00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:32,965 police -- have. 1011 00:46:33,068 --> 00:46:34,310 There was none of that. 1012 00:46:34,379 --> 00:46:35,620 Meanwhile, back at the house, 1013 00:46:35,724 --> 00:46:37,793 men continue to show up. 1014 00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:39,068 Come on in! 1015 00:46:39,137 --> 00:46:40,931 How you doing? 1016 00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:42,482 Because I'm not there, 1017 00:46:42,517 --> 00:46:45,310 the decoy invites a suspect to come up to the house, 1018 00:46:45,344 --> 00:46:47,000 but then quickly locks the door. 1019 00:46:47,034 --> 00:46:49,931 There's one more potential predator we'd like you to meet. 1020 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,827 The show ended after six more episodes, 1021 00:46:51,931 --> 00:46:55,310 but, if anything, it had people watching more. 1022 00:46:57,965 --> 00:47:00,827 Reruns of it continued to air for years. 1023 00:47:00,896 --> 00:47:05,000 All the episodes went online when that technology developed. 1024 00:47:05,068 --> 00:47:07,896 So, even though the show ended, 1025 00:47:07,965 --> 00:47:11,103 that didn't seem to lessen the show's appeal. 1026 00:47:11,137 --> 00:47:13,413 This girl was how old? 1027 00:47:16,931 --> 00:47:21,034 Did they learn things from what happened in Murphy? 1028 00:47:22,103 --> 00:47:24,206 I don't know. 1029 00:47:28,689 --> 00:47:30,241 They're still out there doing the show, 1030 00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:31,793 are they not? 1031 00:47:31,896 --> 00:47:34,413 What's happening with it? 1032 00:47:40,241 --> 00:47:42,137 Are you inside yet? 1033 00:47:42,172 --> 00:47:43,655 I'm outside, yes. 1034 00:47:43,758 --> 00:47:45,034 Okay, well... 1035 00:47:45,103 --> 00:47:48,068 like I said, just meet me by the milk, okay? 1036 00:47:48,137 --> 00:47:49,344 All right, let's go. 1037 00:48:00,310 --> 00:48:01,586 Hey. 1038 00:48:01,655 --> 00:48:02,965 I'm the 12-year-old boy you came to fuck with. 1039 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,655 You're gonna get smacked if you walk away. 1040 00:48:04,689 --> 00:48:05,620 - Hey, what was you gonna do? - Tell the fucking truth! 1041 00:48:05,724 --> 00:48:06,620 Don't lie, bro! 1042 00:48:06,724 --> 00:48:07,965 Excuse me, everybody! 1043 00:48:08,068 --> 00:48:11,551 This guy's here to meet a 12-year-old boy! 1044 00:48:22,724 --> 00:48:27,655 ♪tense minimal music♪ 1045 00:48:27,827 --> 00:48:29,517 Since To Catch a Predator, 1046 00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:32,689 there have been tons of predator catch groups online: 1047 00:48:32,793 --> 00:48:36,517 regular everyday civilians going out and catching these 1048 00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:38,758 predators who are trying to meet up with boys and girls. 1049 00:48:38,827 --> 00:48:40,965 This man is here to meet a 13-year-old boy! 1050 00:48:41,034 --> 00:48:43,758 There's usually a lot of yelling... 1051 00:48:43,827 --> 00:48:45,482 rape a little boy! 1052 00:48:45,586 --> 00:48:48,172 They're getting very aggressive with the predator. 1053 00:48:48,275 --> 00:48:49,931 This man is trying to pick up a little boy on the 1054 00:48:49,965 --> 00:48:51,000 internet! 1055 00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:54,965 Excuse me, everybody! 1056 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,655 This man's here to meet a 14-year-old girl! 1057 00:48:57,758 --> 00:49:00,206 It's great that they're catching people, 1058 00:49:00,275 --> 00:49:04,034 but I was like, "Why is no one doing the whole Chris Hansen 1059 00:49:04,103 --> 00:49:06,896 thing -- like, dressing up in the blazer and printing out the 1060 00:49:06,965 --> 00:49:08,689 chat logs?" 1061 00:49:08,827 --> 00:49:14,034 He's sharp, he's witty, he has a sense of humor. 1062 00:49:15,827 --> 00:49:18,551 I was like, "You know, I'm gonna... 1063 00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:20,793 impersonate Chris Hansen the best I can, 1064 00:49:20,862 --> 00:49:23,896 and see if people like it." 1065 00:49:26,896 --> 00:49:28,965 All right, so, here we are again, 1066 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,172 in Grand Rapids. 1067 00:49:30,241 --> 00:49:31,931 We have T Coy the Decoy here. 1068 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,758 This is our potential predator. He is on his way. 1069 00:49:34,827 --> 00:49:38,586 He's gonna be here in just a few minutes. 1070 00:49:41,965 --> 00:49:43,137 He said seven minutes away. 1071 00:49:43,241 --> 00:49:44,310 Seven minutes away, Skeet. 1072 00:49:44,413 --> 00:49:46,137 Let's get into positions. 1073 00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:50,034 Okay. 1074 00:49:53,344 --> 00:49:55,000 Get his initial reaction. 1075 00:49:55,551 --> 00:49:56,758 I see him. 1076 00:49:56,827 --> 00:49:57,793 She sees him. 1077 00:49:57,896 --> 00:50:00,103 Okay, okay. 1078 00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:09,068 Yay! 1079 00:50:10,275 --> 00:50:11,896 - How are you? - Pretty good. 1080 00:50:12,172 --> 00:50:14,206 - Good to see you! - You too. 1081 00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:19,448 Sit over there. 1082 00:50:21,827 --> 00:50:23,965 - You don't look 14 at all. - I know. 1083 00:50:24,206 --> 00:50:26,103 - At all! - Yeah. 1084 00:50:26,241 --> 00:50:28,482 But my pictures do. 1085 00:50:30,137 --> 00:50:32,482 - Sometimes! Some of them. - Yeah. 1086 00:50:32,827 --> 00:50:34,000 Do you wanna go get food? 1087 00:50:34,103 --> 00:50:35,137 Or, wait, are we going to your house, 1088 00:50:35,206 --> 00:50:37,275 or are we just gonna stay here? 1089 00:50:39,965 --> 00:50:41,172 How are you? 1090 00:50:41,275 --> 00:50:42,827 What the fuck is this? 1091 00:50:42,931 --> 00:50:45,275 Uh, sir, I'm with the Predatorial Investigation Unit. 1092 00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:47,206 We do have the police on standby. 1093 00:50:48,793 --> 00:50:50,413 I just have a few questions for you. 1094 00:50:50,482 --> 00:50:51,482 So do you-- 1095 00:50:51,551 --> 00:50:52,724 Can I please just leave? 1096 00:50:52,793 --> 00:50:54,344 Do you have an ID on you? 1097 00:50:54,448 --> 00:50:55,896 - Can I please just leave? - I just have-- 1098 00:50:55,965 --> 00:50:57,241 I will never come back and you'll never 1099 00:50:57,310 --> 00:50:58,655 hear from me again. 1100 00:50:58,758 --> 00:51:00,137 Well, help me understand first what is... 1101 00:51:00,172 --> 00:51:01,586 We just wanna ask some questions. 1102 00:51:01,655 --> 00:51:03,793 You made the decision to come in here. 1103 00:51:03,827 --> 00:51:06,793 Can I make the decision to leave? 1104 00:51:07,758 --> 00:51:12,241 Well, it's going to be up to the police to decide, 1105 00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:14,827 and when they arrive in just a few minutes... 1106 00:51:14,862 --> 00:51:16,827 - What?! - We'll go over that. 1107 00:51:16,931 --> 00:51:18,241 What?! No! 1108 00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:19,827 I mean, I think it's best we all just, 1109 00:51:19,931 --> 00:51:23,034 you know, wait here. 1110 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,655 I mean, you can feel free to, you know, 1111 00:51:26,758 --> 00:51:29,344 look through it, but these are basically all the highlights of 1112 00:51:29,448 --> 00:51:30,482 - the... - Okay. 1113 00:51:30,551 --> 00:51:31,551 - Things he was saying. - I see. 1114 00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:33,068 Yeah, that's pretty much... 1115 00:51:33,137 --> 00:51:34,206 Yeah, let me take pictures of that real quick for our 1116 00:51:34,275 --> 00:51:35,655 - evidence server. - Sure. 1117 00:51:35,724 --> 00:51:37,137 There's a phone call with him as well. 1118 00:51:37,241 --> 00:51:38,275 He says multiple times, 1119 00:51:38,310 --> 00:51:39,413 he talks about To Catch a Predator, 1120 00:51:39,482 --> 00:51:40,931 "I don't wanna get in trouble." 1121 00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:41,689 Here, I'm just gonna set this down. 1122 00:51:41,758 --> 00:51:43,896 Yeah, go for it. 1123 00:51:46,827 --> 00:51:51,103 Our alleged predator in the Sheriff's truck. 1124 00:51:51,862 --> 00:51:53,620 And we're gonna wait around and see, 1125 00:51:53,689 --> 00:51:55,172 you know, what's going to happen. 1126 00:51:55,275 --> 00:51:58,379 Get a shot of, like, the concerned citizens around here. 1127 00:51:59,896 --> 00:52:01,620 You guys got more stuff lined up or...? 1128 00:52:01,689 --> 00:52:03,620 Yeah, we've got I think one or two more lined up for 1129 00:52:03,724 --> 00:52:05,172 - tonight. - Yes, sir. 1130 00:52:05,241 --> 00:52:06,482 All right, well... 1131 00:52:06,551 --> 00:52:07,965 Anything happening with this guy, or...? 1132 00:52:08,068 --> 00:52:09,793 - I have no idea. - Okay. 1133 00:52:09,862 --> 00:52:12,034 Once everything gets put into a pile, 1134 00:52:12,137 --> 00:52:14,310 the detectives look at it, and take it to the prosecutor. 1135 00:52:14,413 --> 00:52:15,689 - Gotcha. - All right. 1136 00:52:15,758 --> 00:52:18,034 Thank you so much, sir, appreciate it. 1137 00:52:18,758 --> 00:52:21,034 See you in a half hour! 1138 00:52:23,655 --> 00:52:26,758 If you upload a predator catch video, 1139 00:52:26,793 --> 00:52:28,310 and you don't have police in it, 1140 00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:29,931 they're taking it down. 1141 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,862 But it doesn't even have to be real police presence. 1142 00:52:33,965 --> 00:52:37,275 If you've got some fake, uh, police light overlay right 1143 00:52:37,344 --> 00:52:41,758 there, and there's my good friend Chet. 1144 00:52:41,827 --> 00:52:43,793 Yeah, we just dress him as a police officer, 1145 00:52:43,862 --> 00:52:46,034 we had a badge there, it says "Officer," 1146 00:52:46,103 --> 00:52:49,793 but it says "Security" on the bottom side -- it's not even... 1147 00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:51,275 Yeah, it's, like, totally fake. 1148 00:52:51,344 --> 00:52:53,241 And you put in all these sound effects, 1149 00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:55,517 and we gave him a walkie talkie, and his shirt says 1150 00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:58,896 "Police," so, to YouTube's eyes, when they look at this, 1151 00:52:58,965 --> 00:53:02,379 they're gonna see a badge and that it says "Police." 1152 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,517 Do you see what you do as different 1153 00:53:05,586 --> 00:53:07,137 than what Chris Hansen did? 1154 00:53:07,965 --> 00:53:10,000 He's a journalist, you know, 1155 00:53:10,068 --> 00:53:11,724 and I'm kind of just, uh... 1156 00:53:11,793 --> 00:53:12,965 I think I'll always, for the most part, 1157 00:53:13,068 --> 00:53:14,758 just be looked at as... 1158 00:53:14,827 --> 00:53:18,758 a YouTuber who's just-- just does it for the clicks and the 1159 00:53:18,793 --> 00:53:20,689 likes and the views and all that. 1160 00:53:20,758 --> 00:53:24,241 But he was, you know, my first inspiration for doing this sort 1161 00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:25,931 of thing. 1162 00:53:26,724 --> 00:53:30,620 There's never been a detective that solved a murder that 1163 00:53:30,724 --> 00:53:32,379 didn't get paid for it, 1164 00:53:32,448 --> 00:53:33,896 so... 1165 00:53:33,965 --> 00:53:37,068 why shouldn't I be able to monetize off of, um... 1166 00:53:37,137 --> 00:53:39,862 catching these guys like the original show, 1167 00:53:39,965 --> 00:53:44,103 and making this content for people's entertainment? 1168 00:53:45,931 --> 00:53:48,068 Who's the baby? 1169 00:53:51,275 --> 00:53:52,344 Are ya chilly? 1170 00:53:52,413 --> 00:53:55,551 Do ya need a shirt, baby boy? 1171 00:53:59,068 --> 00:54:01,103 Go live. 1172 00:54:03,793 --> 00:54:06,655 I'm not gonna force ya to do nothing. 1173 00:54:06,965 --> 00:54:10,241 I'm glad you're my boyfriend, though. 1174 00:54:10,655 --> 00:54:13,931 We could go to a mall somewhere. 1175 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,965 Yeah, okay. 1176 00:54:16,241 --> 00:54:21,551 It is funny to watch people that do bad things... 1177 00:54:22,068 --> 00:54:23,103 crumble, 1178 00:54:23,172 --> 00:54:24,206 get hurt. 1179 00:54:24,275 --> 00:54:25,827 It's laughable. 1180 00:54:25,931 --> 00:54:29,793 It is fucking funny when a bad person gets what is coming to 1181 00:54:29,827 --> 00:54:32,896 them, however you wanna look at it. 1182 00:54:32,965 --> 00:54:34,241 Um... 1183 00:54:34,310 --> 00:54:35,172 it's awesome. 1184 00:54:35,275 --> 00:54:37,896 It is. 1185 00:54:37,965 --> 00:54:39,448 Right? 1186 00:54:39,758 --> 00:54:42,379 "Are you hairless? 1187 00:54:44,655 --> 00:54:48,034 When's the last time you had sex?" 1188 00:54:48,758 --> 00:54:51,206 If I can talk to these guys for 16 hours 1189 00:54:51,275 --> 00:54:54,758 a day -- like, if they are engaging -- 1190 00:54:54,827 --> 00:54:58,379 they're not engaging with somebody's kid. 1191 00:54:59,655 --> 00:55:00,793 What made you do this work? 1192 00:55:00,862 --> 00:55:03,034 Um, I was requested to do it. 1193 00:55:03,137 --> 00:55:06,379 I'm a victim -- or survivor, whatever you wanna call it -- 1194 00:55:06,448 --> 00:55:08,172 but, um... 1195 00:55:08,241 --> 00:55:13,068 you know, I, myself, was taken advantage by a child predator, 1196 00:55:13,137 --> 00:55:14,724 so... 1197 00:55:14,793 --> 00:55:15,793 um... 1198 00:55:15,862 --> 00:55:17,241 Sorry, I'm, like, looking away. 1199 00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:18,724 Uh... 1200 00:55:18,793 --> 00:55:21,103 But somebody -- another catcher, actually -- was like, 1201 00:55:21,172 --> 00:55:22,689 "Hey, I think you would be good at this," 1202 00:55:22,758 --> 00:55:23,931 'cause I talk... 1203 00:55:23,965 --> 00:55:25,413 I come with, like, sound effects. 1204 00:55:25,482 --> 00:55:27,620 Like, my personality, when I'm doing something, 1205 00:55:27,724 --> 00:55:28,965 I'm like doo-doo-doo-doo. 1206 00:55:29,068 --> 00:55:30,896 Like, I just-- I talk weird, I love dogs, 1207 00:55:30,965 --> 00:55:33,482 I'm always talking in this, like, weird little... 1208 00:55:33,586 --> 00:55:37,172 voice that I talk to animals in, and I think it was, like... 1209 00:55:37,275 --> 00:55:38,586 "You're a character. 1210 00:55:38,655 --> 00:55:40,827 Like, you could play a character" kind of thing. 1211 00:55:40,965 --> 00:55:43,758 Tell me how it feels when you're helping catch these guys. 1212 00:55:44,827 --> 00:55:47,793 Oh, it makes me feel-- it makes me feel good because... 1213 00:55:47,827 --> 00:55:50,172 you know, I subject myself to this, like, 1214 00:55:50,275 --> 00:55:52,172 perversion all day. 1215 00:55:52,275 --> 00:55:54,241 And it's like, um... 1216 00:55:54,310 --> 00:55:56,103 I don't know, you finally just get to, like, 1217 00:55:56,172 --> 00:55:59,724 fuckin' squash the bug or I-- I don't know, 1218 00:55:59,793 --> 00:56:00,793 um... 1219 00:56:00,896 --> 00:56:02,310 That's why, in some of my things, 1220 00:56:02,379 --> 00:56:05,241 I'm like-- I sound so immature because there's, 1221 00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:08,344 like-- there's a little kid in me that's like, 1222 00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:09,931 "Yes! Fuck you!" 1223 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,034 You know what I mean? Like... 1224 00:56:12,103 --> 00:56:13,310 And I start... 1225 00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:17,034 yelling and-- and acting immature because... 1226 00:56:17,137 --> 00:56:19,827 I feel like that's what I would've wanted to do, like, 1227 00:56:19,896 --> 00:56:23,275 back then -- like, embarrass them. 1228 00:56:23,896 --> 00:56:25,551 How are you? 1229 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,068 Uh, sir, I'm with the, uh, 1230 00:56:28,137 --> 00:56:29,793 Predatorial Investigation Unit. 1231 00:56:29,827 --> 00:56:31,862 We do have the police on standby. 1232 00:56:31,931 --> 00:56:33,689 What's your name? 1233 00:56:33,758 --> 00:56:35,758 I genuinely believe that they believe that they're 1234 00:56:35,827 --> 00:56:37,206 doing the right thing in getting these predators 1235 00:56:37,275 --> 00:56:39,172 off the street. 1236 00:56:39,275 --> 00:56:42,068 It's the means that trouble me. 1237 00:56:42,862 --> 00:56:44,620 Because of the work I've been doing for, 1238 00:56:44,689 --> 00:56:46,896 what, 20 years now with different groups of 1239 00:56:46,965 --> 00:56:48,586 people in... 1240 00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:51,241 in different types of challenging circumstances, 1241 00:56:51,310 --> 00:56:53,344 my interest is always in seeing the humanity -- 1242 00:56:53,413 --> 00:56:55,068 the complexity -- 1243 00:56:55,137 --> 00:57:00,068 whereas they can only do what they do because they refuse to. 1244 00:57:01,965 --> 00:57:04,241 I don't think I'm any more moral than any of these 1245 00:57:04,310 --> 00:57:07,000 people are; it's... maybe more sensitive? 1246 00:57:07,103 --> 00:57:09,586 I don't know what it is, but... 1247 00:57:11,931 --> 00:57:14,517 Yeah, I felt uncomfortable being there. 1248 00:57:16,896 --> 00:57:18,827 I think I felt complicit. 1249 00:57:35,965 --> 00:57:37,310 I thought you were 14? 1250 00:57:37,379 --> 00:57:38,448 I am. 1251 00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:39,689 What? 1252 00:57:39,758 --> 00:57:41,000 I am! 1253 00:57:41,896 --> 00:57:42,896 Ain't no damn way. 1254 00:57:43,137 --> 00:57:44,344 Yes! 1255 00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:46,068 - There ain't no way. - I'm gonna be 15 in September. 1256 00:57:46,137 --> 00:57:48,137 - You're fucking with me. - No! Gimme one of those. 1257 00:57:48,206 --> 00:57:49,655 There's no one in here? 1258 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,827 - How are you? - Aw, fuck me. 1259 00:57:51,896 --> 00:57:53,034 Yeah, "Fuck me" is right. 1260 00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:54,344 Sir, go and have a seat right here. 1261 00:57:54,413 --> 00:57:55,551 Oh, don't... 1262 00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:56,896 It's okay, it's okay. 1263 00:57:56,965 --> 00:57:58,551 You're good, nobody is gonna hurt you. 1264 00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:59,965 No, no, we're not gonna hurt you, we just wanna talk. 1265 00:58:00,068 --> 00:58:01,275 We have the police on standby. 1266 00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:02,862 Please just have a seat right there. 1267 00:58:02,931 --> 00:58:04,275 We just wanna talk, man. It's okay, just breathe. 1268 00:58:04,344 --> 00:58:05,482 Yeah, just breathe. It's okay. 1269 00:58:05,517 --> 00:58:06,931 Breathe. Deep breaths. 1270 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,482 I got a water for you. I've got a water. 1271 00:58:08,586 --> 00:58:09,827 I don't wanna touch you, but I've got a water for you. 1272 00:58:09,931 --> 00:58:11,068 Don't touch me. 1273 00:58:11,137 --> 00:58:12,413 It's okay, nobody's gonna touch you. 1274 00:58:12,482 --> 00:58:13,793 We just wanna talk. 1275 00:58:13,827 --> 00:58:15,620 I don't wanna lose everything. 1276 00:58:15,724 --> 00:58:17,137 We just wanna talk. 1277 00:58:17,206 --> 00:58:19,000 So just think about your actions right now 1278 00:58:19,034 --> 00:58:20,689 before you do something crazy. Just breathe, drink the water. 1279 00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:21,793 It was sealed. 1280 00:58:21,896 --> 00:58:23,482 I'm trying to help you. 1281 00:58:23,551 --> 00:58:25,068 I have spent so much of my life to try to get 1282 00:58:25,137 --> 00:58:27,551 off this pattern. 1283 00:58:30,793 --> 00:58:32,034 Okay. 1284 00:58:32,103 --> 00:58:35,482 Well, after today, you know, you're gonna... 1285 00:58:35,586 --> 00:58:38,172 Well, I hope, at least, that you're going to take the steps 1286 00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:39,965 that you need to take to... 1287 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,965 better yourself. 1288 00:58:41,068 --> 00:58:41,965 If you guys know programs, 1289 00:58:42,068 --> 00:58:43,586 I'll take suggestions too. 1290 00:58:43,655 --> 00:58:45,034 'Cause I honestly just don't know where to go from this, 1291 00:58:45,103 --> 00:58:46,482 other than... 1292 00:58:46,551 --> 00:58:48,827 other than the right steps, not going backwards. 1293 00:58:48,896 --> 00:58:50,758 - I don't have... - I'm sure we could-- 1294 00:58:50,793 --> 00:58:52,137 The capacity to go backwards. 1295 00:58:52,241 --> 00:58:54,655 I'm sure we could pull a few strings and... 1296 00:58:54,689 --> 00:58:56,379 see if there's anything we can... 1297 00:58:56,448 --> 00:58:57,896 align for ya. 1298 00:58:57,965 --> 00:58:59,896 I can't afford to lose my job. 1299 00:58:59,965 --> 00:59:02,793 I can't afford to lose everything I've worked for, 1300 00:59:02,896 --> 00:59:05,965 every friend I've had will just... 1301 00:59:06,103 --> 00:59:08,344 I can't. 1302 00:59:08,413 --> 00:59:09,896 I don't know... 1303 00:59:09,965 --> 00:59:12,275 don't know how much longer I'd be around if I do. 1304 00:59:12,344 --> 00:59:14,310 I really... 1305 00:59:14,413 --> 00:59:15,862 I just don't-- 1306 00:59:15,931 --> 00:59:17,862 We don't want it to come to anything like that. 1307 00:59:17,965 --> 00:59:20,172 I don't either, 'cause I want to be around my son. 1308 00:59:20,275 --> 00:59:21,827 - I just... - Okay. 1309 00:59:21,862 --> 00:59:24,931 I just don't wanna be at this point of life anymore. 1310 00:59:24,965 --> 00:59:25,827 Yeah. 1311 00:59:25,931 --> 00:59:27,034 Well, we're gonna... 1312 00:59:27,103 --> 00:59:28,827 Nobody wants to be at rock bottom. 1313 00:59:28,862 --> 00:59:30,965 No, I mean, we're gonna pull some strings and see if we can, 1314 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,793 you know, get... 1315 00:59:32,896 --> 00:59:35,896 You someone that you can talk to. 1316 00:59:37,827 --> 00:59:40,206 But, Eric, if that's all you have to say for yourself, 1317 00:59:40,275 --> 00:59:41,827 then... 1318 00:59:41,931 --> 00:59:43,793 what I have to let you know is that I am Skeet Hansen with the 1319 00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:46,586 Predatorial Investigation Unit, 1320 00:59:46,655 --> 00:59:48,862 and we're doing an online series about adults who 1321 00:59:48,931 --> 00:59:50,068 try to meet... 1322 00:59:50,137 --> 00:59:52,965 underage girls online for sex, 1323 00:59:53,034 --> 00:59:55,241 and you've just been Skeeted. 1324 00:59:55,310 --> 00:59:57,793 If there's anything else you have to say again, 1325 00:59:57,862 --> 01:00:00,172 you know, we'd love to hear it. 1326 01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:04,620 If not, then, um, our friends in the Grand Rapids Police 1327 01:00:04,689 --> 01:00:07,896 Department will be here shortly, and... 1328 01:00:07,965 --> 01:00:10,931 they're going to address the situation and see if... 1329 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,103 they can point you in the right direction to... 1330 01:00:13,172 --> 01:00:15,344 See if they can help get out on track. 1331 01:00:15,413 --> 01:00:17,241 Exactly, to get you on track. 1332 01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:19,034 Yeah. 1333 01:00:30,965 --> 01:00:33,241 We all good? 1334 01:00:38,758 --> 01:00:40,206 That was the sheriff's office. 1335 01:00:40,275 --> 01:00:41,724 They said they're not going to dispatch an officer 1336 01:00:41,793 --> 01:00:43,206 in a timely fashion. 1337 01:00:43,275 --> 01:00:44,517 Oh, damn! 1338 01:00:44,689 --> 01:00:47,655 Um, yeah the only thing is, he's like kind of... 1339 01:00:47,827 --> 01:00:49,172 You know, he's kind of suicidal, so... 1340 01:00:49,241 --> 01:00:50,275 He is! 1341 01:00:50,448 --> 01:00:52,000 We need to do a wellness check on this dude. 1342 01:00:52,137 --> 01:00:53,448 Cause I can't have that on my shoulders, 1343 01:00:53,482 --> 01:00:54,655 that's for sure. 1344 01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:56,620 So what do we do? 1345 01:00:56,724 --> 01:00:58,620 Um, just call 911 and ask them, 1346 01:00:58,689 --> 01:01:00,241 Hey, what do I do if 1347 01:01:00,344 --> 01:01:03,862 there's somebody here that I think is gonna kill themselves. 1348 01:01:16,068 --> 01:01:17,137 I have a question. 1349 01:01:17,896 --> 01:01:20,137 So we're doing two separate things. 1350 01:01:21,482 --> 01:01:23,344 They are doing Skeet's stuff. 1351 01:01:23,448 --> 01:01:25,586 And we are doing a documentary about this stuff. 1352 01:01:25,689 --> 01:01:26,827 I'm wondering if you would sign 1353 01:01:26,931 --> 01:01:28,344 an appearance release form for us? 1354 01:01:28,413 --> 01:01:31,137 We can't use your face unless you sign it. 1355 01:01:31,344 --> 01:01:35,137 They can, but I'm just curious if you could sign it for us. 1356 01:01:35,931 --> 01:01:37,103 So, wait a second. 1357 01:01:38,344 --> 01:01:40,413 - I'm kind of confused. - Yeah. 1358 01:01:41,103 --> 01:01:44,310 They can't publish my face on the internet, correct? 1359 01:01:44,965 --> 01:01:47,206 We're doing two separate kind of things. 1360 01:01:48,137 --> 01:01:50,448 I can just really speak about ours. 1361 01:01:53,310 --> 01:01:54,896 You can also say no. 1362 01:01:54,965 --> 01:01:56,206 I'd like to say no. 1363 01:01:56,275 --> 01:01:58,000 It's just this is a pretty bad part of... 1364 01:01:58,344 --> 01:02:01,620 I'm not trying to hide this necessarily, it just doesn't... 1365 01:02:02,448 --> 01:02:04,620 I don't need to see another reminder of it. 1366 01:02:05,137 --> 01:02:07,827 Especially once I've got myself where I want to be. 1367 01:02:08,137 --> 01:02:11,172 - Okay, I understand. - I appreciate you asking. 1368 01:02:12,793 --> 01:02:15,551 I don't want to look back at myself as... 1369 01:02:16,137 --> 01:02:18,413 ...the person that was stuck in this. 1370 01:02:21,379 --> 01:02:22,862 Okay, I understand. 1371 01:02:35,103 --> 01:02:36,275 Sheriff's here. 1372 01:02:39,965 --> 01:02:41,310 Well, uh... 1373 01:02:41,413 --> 01:02:45,034 that was some heavy shit. 1374 01:02:45,931 --> 01:02:47,689 That was crazy. 1375 01:02:47,793 --> 01:02:50,724 He said he's seen one of my videos before at some point! 1376 01:02:50,793 --> 01:02:53,068 And he was laughing at it! Laughing at how... 1377 01:02:53,137 --> 01:02:54,448 dumb these guys are! 1378 01:02:54,586 --> 01:02:57,068 What we do, and I quote 1379 01:02:57,137 --> 01:03:00,275 is better than To Catch a Predator. 1380 01:03:00,344 --> 01:03:01,655 He did say that! 1381 01:03:01,758 --> 01:03:04,344 I don't know if I can agree fully 'cause TCaP is... 1382 01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:06,655 the OG, but... 1383 01:03:06,827 --> 01:03:10,862 you know, I'm-- I'm flattered by Eric's words! 1384 01:03:11,793 --> 01:03:13,655 I actually kinda feel bad for this guy. 1385 01:03:13,724 --> 01:03:15,068 'Cause, like, he needs help. 1386 01:03:15,137 --> 01:03:16,206 Like, obviously we know why he's here, right? 1387 01:03:16,275 --> 01:03:17,620 - So... - Yeah, well... 1388 01:03:17,689 --> 01:03:19,344 He's a monster for that, right? But... 1389 01:03:19,413 --> 01:03:20,793 he needs help. 1390 01:03:20,896 --> 01:03:21,896 He actually needs help. 1391 01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:23,482 So I hope... 1392 01:03:23,586 --> 01:03:25,793 like we said tonight, I hope that he gets the help he needs. 1393 01:03:25,862 --> 01:03:27,241 If this puts him on the straight and narrow and it 1394 01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:29,000 saves his life, then, as far as I'm concerned, 1395 01:03:29,068 --> 01:03:31,000 the last two years and change that we've been doing this is 1396 01:03:31,103 --> 01:03:32,620 - worth it. - Sure. 1397 01:03:32,689 --> 01:03:33,793 If we saved a life, that's... 1398 01:03:33,827 --> 01:03:35,724 - it's worth it. - That's it. 1399 01:03:35,793 --> 01:03:36,896 That's it. 1400 01:03:36,965 --> 01:03:39,206 A child's life and a predator's life; 1401 01:03:39,275 --> 01:03:41,379 look at that. 1402 01:03:50,482 --> 01:03:54,000 I see To Catch a Predator as an attempt to make 1403 01:03:55,344 --> 01:03:58,000 a public service entertaining. 1404 01:03:59,896 --> 01:04:02,103 But do you think it's even possible 1405 01:04:02,275 --> 01:04:03,965 for something designed 1406 01:04:04,482 --> 01:04:05,758 as entertainment 1407 01:04:06,241 --> 01:04:07,827 to be a public service? 1408 01:04:10,344 --> 01:04:12,241 Great question, actually. Very... 1409 01:04:12,310 --> 01:04:14,689 You've thought about this a great deal, clearly. 1410 01:04:14,896 --> 01:04:17,517 Well, it's because I'm thinking about 1411 01:04:18,034 --> 01:04:21,344 the morality of what I'm asking people to look at. 1412 01:04:23,758 --> 01:04:28,551 And even what I'm making and doing with this film 1413 01:04:30,068 --> 01:04:31,620 and why I'm making it. 1414 01:04:32,103 --> 01:04:34,551 Mm-hm, why are you? 1415 01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:43,000 Um... 1416 01:04:43,068 --> 01:04:46,896 I was abused by a child predator. 1417 01:04:46,965 --> 01:04:48,068 And... 1418 01:04:48,137 --> 01:04:49,758 for me, 1419 01:04:49,827 --> 01:04:54,137 I've been on a lifelong quest to understand... 1420 01:04:54,241 --> 01:04:58,000 how someone could do that. 1421 01:04:59,103 --> 01:05:02,931 And partly what drew me to the show when I was young... 1422 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,793 was that first initial question Chris would ask: 1423 01:05:06,862 --> 01:05:10,000 - "Help me understand." - Mm-hm. 1424 01:05:10,965 --> 01:05:13,103 But the show never really answered that question 1425 01:05:13,137 --> 01:05:15,206 for me. 1426 01:05:16,655 --> 01:05:18,896 I don't think it was ever really interested in the 1427 01:05:18,965 --> 01:05:20,827 answer. 1428 01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:23,965 So the more I've learned, 1429 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,896 the more I've been disappointed. 1430 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,551 Wow. 1431 01:05:35,862 --> 01:05:39,000 - I'm-- I'm sorry. - No, it's, um... 1432 01:05:39,275 --> 01:05:41,068 For me, it's, um... 1433 01:05:41,137 --> 01:05:45,000 I do think it's taught me a lot of empathy. 1434 01:05:45,827 --> 01:05:49,724 And I'm sorry that the show tries to... 1435 01:05:49,793 --> 01:05:52,068 crush that. 1436 01:05:54,103 --> 01:05:56,206 Mm-hm. 1437 01:05:58,827 --> 01:06:00,310 You know, what you just said, 1438 01:06:00,413 --> 01:06:03,241 - this Chris Hansen question - - "Help me understand" -- 1439 01:06:03,310 --> 01:06:06,000 and that never being really answered, 1440 01:06:06,068 --> 01:06:09,862 'cause it's not really about understanding, 1441 01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:11,310 that reminded me; 1442 01:06:11,413 --> 01:06:14,034 when you look at stings -- 1443 01:06:14,103 --> 01:06:19,413 you know, where predators are confronted by hunters -- 1444 01:06:21,137 --> 01:06:25,206 always, you find hunters asking, time and again, 1445 01:06:25,275 --> 01:06:26,310 "Why? 1446 01:06:26,413 --> 01:06:28,758 Why did you do that?" 1447 01:06:28,827 --> 01:06:30,689 You know, "What do you think would happen? 1448 01:06:30,758 --> 01:06:32,965 Why a child?" 1449 01:06:33,793 --> 01:06:35,793 And they keep asking the question because there's never 1450 01:06:35,827 --> 01:06:39,000 an answer forthcoming; there really never is. 1451 01:06:39,068 --> 01:06:42,275 And I wonder if that's maybe because the predator themselves 1452 01:06:42,344 --> 01:06:45,655 - - himself, quite often -- doesn't know. 1453 01:06:45,724 --> 01:06:48,896 Just doesn't know, you know? 1454 01:06:54,931 --> 01:06:58,896 But understanding is not the goal of the show. 1455 01:07:20,241 --> 01:07:22,310 I honestly didn't even really realize that I was 1456 01:07:22,379 --> 01:07:25,724 a victim until I was in my 20s. 1457 01:07:25,793 --> 01:07:28,586 I also didn't realize until my 20s. 1458 01:07:28,655 --> 01:07:31,931 I watched To Catch a Predator in my dorm room, 1459 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,931 and part of what my fascination was with it... 1460 01:07:34,965 --> 01:07:36,896 - was... - Watching them go down. 1461 01:07:36,965 --> 01:07:39,758 Trying very hard to understand... 1462 01:07:39,827 --> 01:07:42,344 how a human could do this to another human. 1463 01:07:42,413 --> 01:07:43,620 Mm-hm. 1464 01:07:43,655 --> 01:07:46,241 - Especially a child. - Yeah. 1465 01:07:47,275 --> 01:07:50,103 Anyone, though. 1466 01:07:54,172 --> 01:07:58,551 The grin on Skeeter's face is priceless. 1467 01:08:04,344 --> 01:08:07,068 I don't believe anything he's saying. 1468 01:08:07,137 --> 01:08:11,931 He just got two hours of free therapy with y'all. 1469 01:08:15,862 --> 01:08:20,103 God, he has, like, some evil-lookin' fuckin' eyes. 1470 01:08:20,931 --> 01:08:22,241 Yeah. 1471 01:08:25,655 --> 01:08:27,793 I mean, I haven't even gotten this far yet, 1472 01:08:27,896 --> 01:08:29,758 because I'm just like... 1473 01:08:29,793 --> 01:08:30,793 "Whatev--" You know what I mean? 1474 01:08:30,896 --> 01:08:33,137 Everybody likes to fuck. 1475 01:08:33,241 --> 01:08:35,068 I don't understand why... 1476 01:08:35,137 --> 01:08:36,896 I mean, I guess sexual addiction is, like, 1477 01:08:36,965 --> 01:08:39,793 a real thing but... 1478 01:08:39,896 --> 01:08:40,827 I don't know. 1479 01:08:40,896 --> 01:08:43,379 I don't know about this guy. 1480 01:08:44,137 --> 01:08:46,827 He was there to do it. 1481 01:08:46,896 --> 01:08:50,068 And he even brought her alcohol. 1482 01:08:51,448 --> 01:08:54,000 Like, that's crazy. 1483 01:08:54,137 --> 01:08:55,931 Mm. 1484 01:08:56,896 --> 01:08:58,965 Like, if you're gonna let a kid... 1485 01:08:59,034 --> 01:09:01,724 if you're gonna listen to a little kid's suggestion, 1486 01:09:01,793 --> 01:09:03,206 then... 1487 01:09:03,724 --> 01:09:06,034 I don't know, that's just... 1488 01:09:06,793 --> 01:09:08,931 dangerous. 1489 01:09:10,862 --> 01:09:12,344 But it is hard not to feel bad for him. 1490 01:09:12,413 --> 01:09:14,137 Maybe that's why I don't wanna watch-- maybe that's why 1491 01:09:14,206 --> 01:09:15,827 I, like, haven't... 1492 01:09:15,896 --> 01:09:17,896 gotten very far through this, 'cause I don't wanna sit here 1493 01:09:17,965 --> 01:09:20,448 and feel bad for him. 1494 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,206 I am a human, even though I can be a bitch. 1495 01:09:26,655 --> 01:09:29,896 Like, I don't know why I feel bad for him. 1496 01:09:31,103 --> 01:09:34,103 I guess 'cause it's sad. 1497 01:09:53,965 --> 01:09:56,620 Hey, Chris, nice to see you. 1498 01:09:56,689 --> 01:10:00,896 ♪angelic harp music♪ 1499 01:10:00,965 --> 01:10:02,172 Yeah. 1500 01:10:02,965 --> 01:10:05,965 Yeah, I've seen that. That's great. 1501 01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:09,172 I used to remember all the shoots and then... 1502 01:10:09,241 --> 01:10:11,689 they kind of fade together. 1503 01:10:11,758 --> 01:10:13,068 I'm sorry, David. 1504 01:10:14,413 --> 01:10:17,206 You've got a little more room. 1505 01:10:19,137 --> 01:10:21,000 Keep going, keep going, keep going. 1506 01:10:21,103 --> 01:10:22,862 Yup, oh, you're in. 1507 01:10:22,931 --> 01:10:24,689 Okay, you're good. 1508 01:10:26,137 --> 01:10:27,034 Do you want a water next to your coffee cup? 1509 01:10:27,103 --> 01:10:29,103 That'd be awesome. 1510 01:10:29,965 --> 01:10:31,551 Thank you. 1511 01:10:33,275 --> 01:10:34,620 Who knew 1512 01:10:34,724 --> 01:10:36,068 that, at 64 years old, 1513 01:10:36,137 --> 01:10:39,034 I would have three generations 1514 01:10:39,103 --> 01:10:41,689 of followers? 1515 01:10:41,965 --> 01:10:44,965 TruBlu is your home for previous episodes of 1516 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,689 Takedown with Chris Hansen, 1517 01:10:46,758 --> 01:10:48,137 documentary films, 1518 01:10:48,206 --> 01:10:50,517 and exclusive investigations. 1519 01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:54,206 400,000 subscribers on the YouTube channel! 1520 01:10:55,413 --> 01:10:58,931 My audience is 75 to 15! 1521 01:10:58,965 --> 01:11:00,137 Very good! 1522 01:11:00,206 --> 01:11:02,068 Really, that was all fantastic. 1523 01:11:02,137 --> 01:11:03,758 Thank you. 1524 01:11:03,931 --> 01:11:05,137 I need a cup of coffee. 1525 01:11:05,206 --> 01:11:06,620 You guys want something from Starbucks? 1526 01:11:06,655 --> 01:11:09,206 There you go. You're very welcome. 1527 01:11:10,965 --> 01:11:12,793 Chris is a news guy at heart. 1528 01:11:12,862 --> 01:11:14,931 You know, he really wants to do news. 1529 01:11:14,965 --> 01:11:16,793 And, uh... 1530 01:11:16,862 --> 01:11:20,310 you know, when we can afford to do it, we'll do it. 1531 01:11:20,862 --> 01:11:24,896 Tell me this isn't the classic newsroom. 1532 01:11:26,034 --> 01:11:28,827 It'll look like Vice in here... 1533 01:11:28,931 --> 01:11:31,206 six months from now. 1534 01:11:34,241 --> 01:11:38,758 When BLM got popular, when people got very upset with the 1535 01:11:38,827 --> 01:11:43,137 police, Hollywood canceled all their crime shows, 1536 01:11:43,241 --> 01:11:46,586 and they canceled Cops, and they canceled Live PD, 1537 01:11:46,655 --> 01:11:48,793 they canceled Crime Watch Daily, 1538 01:11:48,896 --> 01:11:50,310 they canceled Paw Patrol 1539 01:11:50,413 --> 01:11:53,172 to show that they don't support the police. 1540 01:11:53,275 --> 01:11:56,620 It's an evergreen genre; people always wanna watch it. 1541 01:11:56,655 --> 01:11:59,137 People like to be glad it's not them. 1542 01:11:59,241 --> 01:12:02,620 People like to compare themselves to the depraved to 1543 01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:05,655 feel better about who they are. 1544 01:12:05,724 --> 01:12:07,862 I don't know what everyone's motivation is for watching this 1545 01:12:07,931 --> 01:12:10,758 stuff, but there's an audience for it. 1546 01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:15,103 So, I cherry-picked the most revolutionary crime show, 1547 01:12:15,172 --> 01:12:17,310 and I went to my friend Chris Hansen, 1548 01:12:17,413 --> 01:12:20,137 and we reinvented it. 1549 01:12:20,827 --> 01:12:22,896 We've become very good at luring these men, 1550 01:12:22,965 --> 01:12:28,206 and we wanna make sure all the prosecutions stick. 1551 01:12:30,068 --> 01:12:32,344 We're not gonna stop. 1552 01:12:41,827 --> 01:12:43,620 I think the investigation we did in 1553 01:12:43,689 --> 01:12:48,241 Cambodia was instrumental in my drive 1554 01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:51,034 when it came to the predator investigations, 1555 01:12:51,103 --> 01:12:52,482 without question. 1556 01:12:52,551 --> 01:12:55,724 Tonight, we take you undercover, inside the world 1557 01:12:55,793 --> 01:12:59,206 of child sex trafficking, a world in which, each year, 1558 01:12:59,275 --> 01:13:02,862 by some estimates, hundreds of thousands of girls and boys are 1559 01:13:02,965 --> 01:13:06,862 bought, sold, or kidnapped, and then forced to have sex 1560 01:13:06,931 --> 01:13:08,620 with grown men. 1561 01:13:08,655 --> 01:13:10,827 This is the first investigation that shocked the 1562 01:13:10,896 --> 01:13:12,758 conscience of our viewers. 1563 01:13:12,827 --> 01:13:14,758 This girl says she's nine. 1564 01:13:14,827 --> 01:13:17,241 She's joined by another who says she's 10. 1565 01:13:17,310 --> 01:13:20,034 Both say they know how to perform oral sex, 1566 01:13:20,103 --> 01:13:24,000 and they even tell us how much it will cost. 1567 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,655 And one of the Americans who was caught in the 1568 01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:31,551 investigation was a anesthesiologist in Guam. 1569 01:13:31,655 --> 01:13:34,586 We caught him on hidden camera talking about how to have sex 1570 01:13:34,655 --> 01:13:37,724 with a child, and we wanted to confront him. 1571 01:13:37,793 --> 01:13:40,000 We get on a plane, fly to Guam, 1572 01:13:40,068 --> 01:13:42,793 go to the doctor's office, go to the parking structure... 1573 01:13:42,862 --> 01:13:46,344 here comes Jerry Albom. 1574 01:13:47,137 --> 01:13:50,206 My heart's in my throat, and I'm gonna... 1575 01:13:50,275 --> 01:13:51,137 approach him. 1576 01:13:51,241 --> 01:13:52,551 Hey, Dr. Albom? 1577 01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:54,793 Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. How are you? 1578 01:13:54,827 --> 01:13:56,379 - Good, nice to meet you. - Good. 1579 01:13:56,448 --> 01:13:59,413 We're doing an investigation into the trade of underage 1580 01:13:59,482 --> 01:14:02,517 prostitutes in Cambodia. 1581 01:14:02,620 --> 01:14:06,620 And we know that you've frequented some of the places 1582 01:14:06,724 --> 01:14:08,000 in and around Phnom Penh, 1583 01:14:08,103 --> 01:14:09,413 with underage girls. 1584 01:14:09,482 --> 01:14:11,103 No. 1585 01:14:12,137 --> 01:14:14,448 Not to my knowledge. 1586 01:14:15,137 --> 01:14:16,758 May I show you a videotape? 1587 01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:18,275 Yes. 1588 01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:20,103 So this was basically your first sting? 1589 01:14:20,172 --> 01:14:22,034 This was showing them the chat logs? 1590 01:14:22,103 --> 01:14:23,655 Right! You've got one shot. 1591 01:14:23,758 --> 01:14:25,206 You've gotta get it. 1592 01:14:25,275 --> 01:14:27,931 And he came up with a bunch of cockamamie excuses. 1593 01:14:27,965 --> 01:14:29,206 I was drunk or... 1594 01:14:29,275 --> 01:14:31,241 or may have been slipped a pill, who knows?! 1595 01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:32,275 That is not-- 1596 01:14:32,344 --> 01:14:33,068 Drunk or slipped a pill?! 1597 01:14:33,137 --> 01:14:34,655 Right! 1598 01:14:34,689 --> 01:14:36,758 - That's your defense? - Yes! 1599 01:14:36,827 --> 01:14:39,620 And it was an amazing piece of television. 1600 01:14:39,689 --> 01:14:41,448 That story airs, we're at the airport, 1601 01:14:41,482 --> 01:14:45,137 and some of the girls who had been rescued show up in their 1602 01:14:45,241 --> 01:14:46,827 tuktuk taxi, and... 1603 01:14:46,896 --> 01:14:48,206 we all get banana splits. 1604 01:14:48,275 --> 01:14:50,586 And they were in a much better place, 1605 01:14:50,655 --> 01:14:53,620 they looked great, they're dressed properly, 1606 01:14:53,724 --> 01:14:56,310 they're taking classes. 1607 01:14:56,827 --> 01:14:59,172 It gets time for me to board the plane, 1608 01:14:59,275 --> 01:15:03,724 and I look back at these girls, and they're weeping. 1609 01:15:04,275 --> 01:15:07,793 It was one of those incredible moments that reminds you 1610 01:15:07,896 --> 01:15:10,000 that somebody's life is better 1611 01:15:10,103 --> 01:15:13,206 because of the story we did. 1612 01:15:16,586 --> 01:15:20,206 I truly believe that's the kind of reporting I'm supposed to be 1613 01:15:20,275 --> 01:15:23,551 doing. 1614 01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:26,689 We've just taken it to the next level. 1615 01:15:26,758 --> 01:15:28,344 It sounds like he's coming! 1616 01:15:28,413 --> 01:15:29,827 It sounds like it. 1617 01:15:29,862 --> 01:15:31,965 He wants to wait for the sun to go down 'cause he's, 1618 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,827 - uh, nervous. - He doesn't... 1619 01:15:33,862 --> 01:15:35,379 He wants to make sure there's no cameras. 1620 01:15:35,448 --> 01:15:37,034 Correct. 1621 01:15:37,137 --> 01:15:39,551 How do you feel about the amateur predator 1622 01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:43,724 hunters that have been directly inspired by you? 1623 01:15:43,793 --> 01:15:45,862 I work in conjunction with 1624 01:15:45,931 --> 01:15:47,620 law enforcement. 1625 01:15:47,896 --> 01:15:51,724 Vigilante predator catchers are doing this for clicks 1626 01:15:51,793 --> 01:15:53,896 and profit. 1627 01:15:54,034 --> 01:15:57,724 What I do is for a greater purpose. 1628 01:15:58,137 --> 01:16:02,000 Police, don't move Police, don't move! 1629 01:16:02,068 --> 01:16:07,206 ♪pensive ethereal music♪ 1630 01:16:21,068 --> 01:16:24,551 Three, two, one... 1631 01:16:26,103 --> 01:16:30,241 In my 20 years of investigating predators seeking children for 1632 01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:34,034 sex, I have come across a number of cases where the 1633 01:16:34,103 --> 01:16:35,793 predator is 18. 1634 01:16:35,896 --> 01:16:37,758 Now, this could be controversial; 1635 01:16:37,827 --> 01:16:41,344 a lot of people see it as a Romeo and Juliet situation. 1636 01:16:41,413 --> 01:16:42,827 But it's illegal. 1637 01:16:42,862 --> 01:16:46,586 In this case, Hunter was a little less than honest. 1638 01:16:46,655 --> 01:16:51,206 But he knew what he was doing was against the law. 1639 01:17:00,103 --> 01:17:01,965 One for safety? 1640 01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:03,620 You got the project name for me? 1641 01:17:03,724 --> 01:17:05,793 Takedown: Hunter. 1642 01:17:05,896 --> 01:17:07,379 Takedown: Hunter. 1643 01:17:07,448 --> 01:17:09,655 When we look at the final cut of Hunter, 1644 01:17:09,758 --> 01:17:11,551 we both need to be sensitive to the fact that, 1645 01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:14,379 you know, this is his age and all that. 1646 01:17:14,448 --> 01:17:16,137 Yeah... 1647 01:17:16,827 --> 01:17:18,896 But you were gentle, right? You were gentle-- 1648 01:17:18,965 --> 01:17:19,862 Yeah, you'll see it. 1649 01:17:19,931 --> 01:17:21,137 I mean, you'll have last... 1650 01:17:21,206 --> 01:17:23,965 last pass at it, and as will I. 1651 01:17:24,034 --> 01:17:26,689 Was 18-- who was he there to meet? 1652 01:17:26,758 --> 01:17:28,206 A 15-year-old boy. 1653 01:17:28,275 --> 01:17:29,655 15 to 18. 1654 01:17:29,724 --> 01:17:31,931 Like, in Ohio, that's legal. 1655 01:17:31,965 --> 01:17:33,655 In Michigan, apparently, it's not, 1656 01:17:33,689 --> 01:17:35,965 but they allow a three-year spread for a senior to date a 1657 01:17:36,068 --> 01:17:37,172 - freshman. - Right. 1658 01:17:37,275 --> 01:17:39,793 Um, so, it's like... 1659 01:17:39,862 --> 01:17:42,068 that must be a Michigan thing. 1660 01:17:42,137 --> 01:17:43,137 But... 1661 01:17:43,172 --> 01:17:44,931 it is what it is. I mean, uh... 1662 01:17:44,965 --> 01:17:47,344 I think people will be forgiving. 1663 01:17:47,448 --> 01:17:48,655 You know, I hope... 1664 01:17:48,758 --> 01:17:52,034 you know, hope we're not ruining his life. 1665 01:17:55,413 --> 01:17:56,931 A task force team member searches 1666 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,827 - Hunter for his wallet. - Turn your volume up. 1667 01:17:59,931 --> 01:18:03,241 We realize Hunter had been 18 for 1668 01:18:03,310 --> 01:18:04,586 some time. 1669 01:18:04,655 --> 01:18:08,413 It's time for Hunter to take a seat. 1670 01:18:08,827 --> 01:18:13,862 The tears start flowing, and the begging begins. 1671 01:18:14,241 --> 01:18:15,620 Please just don't ruin my life. 1672 01:18:15,689 --> 01:18:17,931 Please. 1673 01:18:17,965 --> 01:18:19,551 Please. 1674 01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:28,827 They asked if I was Hunter's mom, 1675 01:18:28,896 --> 01:18:31,724 and I said that I was, and they told me that he had been 1676 01:18:31,793 --> 01:18:33,551 arrested. 1677 01:18:34,413 --> 01:18:36,241 He only went three blocks away! 1678 01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:39,310 And he walked! 1679 01:18:40,551 --> 01:18:43,862 It was the summer before his senior year in high school. 1680 01:18:43,931 --> 01:18:47,379 Top of his game in choir and in drama, 1681 01:18:47,448 --> 01:18:48,758 and... 1682 01:18:48,827 --> 01:18:51,827 about to have the year of his life. 1683 01:18:52,793 --> 01:18:57,965 I started getting phone calls of people... 1684 01:18:58,931 --> 01:19:03,379 informing me that my son was going to be on the next episode 1685 01:19:03,448 --> 01:19:06,137 that was airing. 1686 01:19:08,275 --> 01:19:10,862 In my head, I didn't believe that they were actually going 1687 01:19:10,931 --> 01:19:14,103 to air this 18-year-old's... 1688 01:19:14,172 --> 01:19:15,586 mistake, 1689 01:19:15,655 --> 01:19:19,241 that Chris Hansen would be willing to stoop so low 1690 01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:21,103 for his show. 1691 01:19:21,241 --> 01:19:24,931 I just don't know how the worst day of my life could be 1692 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,068 something that... 1693 01:19:30,724 --> 01:19:34,241 people are getting snacks for. 1694 01:19:35,827 --> 01:19:38,137 Hunter couldn't go back to his high school. 1695 01:19:38,206 --> 01:19:40,000 He was being charged with felonies, 1696 01:19:40,103 --> 01:19:43,068 and at the arraignment, the judge explained to us 1697 01:19:43,137 --> 01:19:44,344 kind of his... 1698 01:19:44,448 --> 01:19:46,689 stipulations for Hunter, 1699 01:19:46,758 --> 01:19:49,965 and they included no contact with any person under the 1700 01:19:50,034 --> 01:19:55,137 age of 17 without the presence of a supervising adult. 1701 01:19:55,862 --> 01:19:59,000 Hunter could not be in the same house alone with his 1702 01:19:59,103 --> 01:20:01,103 16-year-old brother. 1703 01:20:01,172 --> 01:20:02,758 No school. 1704 01:20:02,827 --> 01:20:04,000 No job. 1705 01:20:04,103 --> 01:20:06,517 He lived in his room. 1706 01:20:07,275 --> 01:20:10,241 And we tried to make it... 1707 01:20:11,172 --> 01:20:12,931 great. 1708 01:20:13,586 --> 01:20:18,068 And partly so that Hunter had kind of like a haven, 1709 01:20:18,137 --> 01:20:22,000 we got heavy drapes and we took down any... 1710 01:20:22,068 --> 01:20:24,758 identifiers outside the, um... 1711 01:20:28,344 --> 01:20:32,000 We took down any identifiers outside of the house, 1712 01:20:32,034 --> 01:20:34,827 so that, um... 1713 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,068 Sorry. 1714 01:21:13,793 --> 01:21:16,000 Do you want to go talk to him? 1715 01:21:17,896 --> 01:21:20,655 I don't think he's cried since then. 1716 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,517 I don't think that, like, until... 1717 01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:38,931 right now, he's really necessarily acknowledged what 1718 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,413 he's lost. 1719 01:21:40,482 --> 01:21:42,551 Um... 1720 01:21:43,724 --> 01:21:48,931 And, like, everything that was taken from him. 1721 01:22:05,448 --> 01:22:08,137 I wish Chris... 1722 01:22:08,206 --> 01:22:12,965 could feel one percent of our pain. 1723 01:22:15,931 --> 01:22:19,068 Even though it fixes nothing. 1724 01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:28,931 By the way, all the food's down there! 1725 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,310 All kinds of food, okay? 1726 01:22:31,724 --> 01:22:33,862 This is our third network, and hopefully, 1727 01:22:33,896 --> 01:22:36,310 it earns a bunch of advertiser revenue. 1728 01:22:36,344 --> 01:22:38,793 We put some fresh episodes up, boom. 1729 01:22:38,862 --> 01:22:42,206 13.4 million views, two million hours watched. 1730 01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:44,379 We're gonna get the plaque 'cause we have over 100,000 1731 01:22:44,448 --> 01:22:46,758 subscribers, so that's good. 1732 01:22:46,827 --> 01:22:50,137 This is the culmination of 40 years of being a 1733 01:22:50,172 --> 01:22:52,344 television journalist right here. 1734 01:22:52,448 --> 01:22:54,103 Everything I've done -- 1735 01:22:54,172 --> 01:22:57,862 all the Emmys, all the Edward R. Murrow awards, 1736 01:22:57,896 --> 01:23:01,931 - all the years at NBC - - all led to this. 1737 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,000 .- Let's go! 1738 01:23:10,896 --> 01:23:13,344 Suspect is armed and extremely dangerous. 1739 01:23:13,413 --> 01:23:14,724 I'm Chris Hansen. 1740 01:23:14,793 --> 01:23:16,172 I am Chris Hansen. 1741 01:23:16,275 --> 01:23:21,413 ♪cool rock music playing♪ 1742 01:23:29,931 --> 01:23:34,241 ♪pensive synth music♪ 1743 01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:36,068 I've been watching your show since I was like 10. 1744 01:23:36,137 --> 01:23:38,310 Oh, wow! Thank you! 1745 01:23:38,379 --> 01:23:39,448 Well, thank you! 1746 01:23:39,517 --> 01:23:41,793 - Where are you from? - Atlanta. 1747 01:23:41,862 --> 01:23:43,241 - Thank you very much. - It's so nice to meet you. 1748 01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:45,034 Nice to see you too. Thanks for being here. 1749 01:23:46,344 --> 01:23:49,724 Hey, Chris! Long time, no see! 1750 01:23:49,793 --> 01:23:52,103 18 years later! 1751 01:23:53,862 --> 01:23:55,206 You are my true crime star. 1752 01:23:55,310 --> 01:23:56,862 Oh, well, thank you. 1753 01:23:56,965 --> 01:23:58,379 We're gonna dedicate this to all the victims that we 1754 01:23:58,482 --> 01:23:59,448 pour our life into. 1755 01:23:59,517 --> 01:24:01,000 Appreciate you. Take care. 1756 01:24:01,103 --> 01:24:03,689 Chris Hansen and the Sheriff of Genesee 1757 01:24:03,724 --> 01:24:06,000 County, Michigan, Chris Swanson! 1758 01:24:09,931 --> 01:24:11,965 John... 1759 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,172 John... 1760 01:24:13,241 --> 01:24:16,689 John... 1761 01:24:16,724 --> 01:24:18,965 There's cameras everywhere, John. 1762 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,793 John... 1763 01:24:20,862 --> 01:24:23,827 No, you're not in charge here, John. 1764 01:24:23,896 --> 01:24:25,034 The cameras aren't gonna get turned off, 1765 01:24:25,103 --> 01:24:26,793 so that's not on the table. 1766 01:24:26,862 --> 01:24:29,655 'Cause we're here covering the commission of an 1767 01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:31,034 - alleged felony. - You are? 1768 01:24:31,137 --> 01:24:32,137 Yeah. 1769 01:24:32,206 --> 01:24:34,379 John, I have seen the transcripts! 1770 01:24:37,862 --> 01:24:39,931 Telling and showing the identity of these 1771 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,862 individuals that they're exposed is so vital! 1772 01:24:43,931 --> 01:24:48,172 I would trade two years of him in prison to have this any day 1773 01:24:48,206 --> 01:24:49,586 of the week. 1774 01:24:49,655 --> 01:24:52,793 But there is one group of law enforcement that we need 1775 01:24:52,827 --> 01:24:55,344 that's more important than you and I, 1776 01:24:55,448 --> 01:24:57,620 and that is all of you. 1777 01:24:57,689 --> 01:25:00,206 The times that you share a TruBlu episode, 1778 01:25:00,310 --> 01:25:04,275 the stories that you tell to your friends and families, 1779 01:25:04,344 --> 01:25:07,689 you are the best law enforcement tool in America. 1780 01:25:14,448 --> 01:25:19,586 ♪pensive ethereal music♪ 1781 01:25:25,137 --> 01:25:28,862 Maybe the appeal of a show like this is that it's a 1782 01:25:28,931 --> 01:25:31,793 world of good versus evil, 1783 01:25:31,827 --> 01:25:35,413 and you know what side you're on. 1784 01:25:37,344 --> 01:25:40,344 It's an empowering way to live, 1785 01:25:40,413 --> 01:25:43,586 especially if you're a victim. 1786 01:25:47,241 --> 01:25:50,068 It helps you turn the tables. 1787 01:25:57,103 --> 01:26:00,034 And thereby, hopefully... 1788 01:26:00,448 --> 01:26:03,448 you can heal... 1789 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,413 a wound. 1790 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,827 Do you feel any closer to understanding how... 1791 01:26:17,931 --> 01:26:21,000 this happens to children? 1792 01:26:21,103 --> 01:26:23,068 Uh, not... 1793 01:26:23,137 --> 01:26:27,655 I've never heard an explanation from a predator I've caught... 1794 01:26:27,758 --> 01:26:29,793 that justified the action. 1795 01:26:29,862 --> 01:26:32,965 Not justifies it; I don't think it's justifiable. 1796 01:26:33,034 --> 01:26:34,793 I mean to explain it. 1797 01:26:34,862 --> 01:26:37,172 Something that helps make sense of it. 1798 01:26:37,275 --> 01:26:40,206 It never makes sense to me; I can't get my arms around it. 1799 01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:42,413 And I think that's why we have such a difficult time in 1800 01:26:42,482 --> 01:26:44,206 society... 1801 01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:45,620 dealing with this issue. 1802 01:26:45,689 --> 01:26:49,620 - We want simple solutions - - lock 'em up forever, 1803 01:26:49,689 --> 01:26:52,793 give 'em the pill that stops them from doing this, 1804 01:26:52,862 --> 01:26:55,172 or, uh, get 'em in the appropriate therapy. 1805 01:26:55,241 --> 01:26:56,827 But there are different guys. 1806 01:26:56,896 --> 01:26:59,965 You have some hardcore predators who would be doing 1807 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,620 this with or without the internet. 1808 01:27:01,689 --> 01:27:05,965 And then, you've got the young opportunists -- early 20s, 1809 01:27:06,034 --> 01:27:09,724 have a hard time socializing with other men or women. 1810 01:27:09,827 --> 01:27:12,793 And I think the third group of men are guys who wouldn't be 1811 01:27:12,862 --> 01:27:15,827 offending without the internet -- the 24/7 access, 1812 01:27:15,862 --> 01:27:20,103 the anonymity, and the addictive nature of this. 1813 01:27:20,896 --> 01:27:22,586 To play Devil's Advocate, though, 1814 01:27:22,655 --> 01:27:25,965 you described three very different kinds of predators. 1815 01:27:26,034 --> 01:27:27,068 Absolutely. 1816 01:27:27,137 --> 01:27:28,965 All of whom, on your show, 1817 01:27:29,034 --> 01:27:31,137 will face the same kind of punishment. 1818 01:27:31,206 --> 01:27:32,448 As they should! 1819 01:27:32,517 --> 01:27:34,586 I mean, the law is the law in these cases. 1820 01:27:34,655 --> 01:27:37,758 Right, but legal punishment isn't the only kind 1821 01:27:37,827 --> 01:27:39,551 of punishment here. 1822 01:27:39,655 --> 01:27:43,310 You and Shawn were having a disagreement about one of the 1823 01:27:43,379 --> 01:27:45,862 recent episodes of the show that you did 1824 01:27:45,931 --> 01:27:48,862 with Hunter, the 18 year old. 1825 01:27:48,896 --> 01:27:51,724 It really wasn't so much a disagreement, 1826 01:27:51,793 --> 01:27:55,655 when it came to the 18-year-old caught in this investigation. 1827 01:27:55,689 --> 01:27:59,758 Ultimately, we agreed and decided to... 1828 01:27:59,827 --> 01:28:02,413 take the episode down because he had entered 1829 01:28:02,482 --> 01:28:03,827 into a... 1830 01:28:03,931 --> 01:28:05,448 you know, sort of a... 1831 01:28:05,517 --> 01:28:07,689 an agreement with the court that if he didn't reoffend, 1832 01:28:07,724 --> 01:28:10,034 his record would be wiped clean. 1833 01:28:10,103 --> 01:28:12,517 And so, the decision was made to give him a second chance in 1834 01:28:12,586 --> 01:28:16,310 terms of his exposure, and I'm comfortable in that decision. 1835 01:28:16,586 --> 01:28:20,103 I think the issue that if you Google this kid's name, 1836 01:28:20,172 --> 01:28:22,689 it's the first five pages of the internet 1837 01:28:22,793 --> 01:28:24,103 because of the show. 1838 01:28:24,172 --> 01:28:26,172 So there's no wiping of that record. 1839 01:28:26,241 --> 01:28:30,172 That's, in a sense, permanent. 1840 01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:32,586 Permanent for now. 1841 01:28:33,206 --> 01:28:35,241 It goes away. 1842 01:28:39,827 --> 01:28:43,172 Some people watching this may feel like you have 1843 01:28:43,275 --> 01:28:45,931 something to answer for -- 1844 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,793 that this genre of TV you've helped make doesn't deter 1845 01:28:49,862 --> 01:28:53,000 criminals, or get to the bottom of their crimes, 1846 01:28:53,103 --> 01:28:55,068 it just helps us enjoy it. 1847 01:28:55,172 --> 01:28:58,413 And I make documentaries too, so I'm not just coming after 1848 01:28:58,482 --> 01:28:59,862 you here. 1849 01:28:59,931 --> 01:29:03,000 But we make TV, and we point cameras at something, 1850 01:29:03,103 --> 01:29:05,689 and the trauma continues. 1851 01:29:05,793 --> 01:29:07,965 What do you say to that? 1852 01:29:08,034 --> 01:29:09,655 I understand your point. 1853 01:29:09,724 --> 01:29:13,137 And it's a valid point. 1854 01:29:13,172 --> 01:29:15,275 But... 1855 01:29:16,827 --> 01:29:21,931 you don't know how many times someone has come up to me -- 1856 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,793 at a store, 1857 01:29:23,862 --> 01:29:25,241 at a restaurant, 1858 01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:26,931 on the street -- 1859 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,103 and said to me, "Thank you for what you do. 1860 01:29:30,172 --> 01:29:34,000 I was victimized by an adult when I was a child -- 1861 01:29:34,068 --> 01:29:38,310 traumatized in a way that has... 1862 01:29:38,379 --> 01:29:40,827 forced me to be in therapy to this very day. 1863 01:29:40,862 --> 01:29:44,655 And every time you confront a predator, 1864 01:29:44,758 --> 01:29:46,862 it makes me feel better." 1865 01:29:46,931 --> 01:29:49,172 I understand people saying, 1866 01:29:49,275 --> 01:29:52,068 "You push it too far. 1867 01:29:53,034 --> 01:29:54,827 You... 1868 01:29:55,275 --> 01:29:58,172 take a man at his worst, 1869 01:29:58,206 --> 01:30:00,137 and you put him on television. 1870 01:30:00,206 --> 01:30:02,103 You shame him." 1871 01:30:02,172 --> 01:30:04,724 I'm okay with that; I'll take that criticism. 1872 01:30:04,793 --> 01:30:08,379 But for every human being who comes up to me to tell me their 1873 01:30:08,448 --> 01:30:10,862 story about being a survivor, 1874 01:30:10,965 --> 01:30:16,275 this particular investigative franchise is for them. 1875 01:30:17,034 --> 01:30:18,689 And I'm okay with that. 1876 01:30:18,793 --> 01:30:20,379 And if that's my legacy, 1877 01:30:20,448 --> 01:30:22,827 very comfortable. 1878 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,965 I'm a survivor. 1879 01:30:25,034 --> 01:30:27,103 I was seven years old. 1880 01:30:27,172 --> 01:30:28,275 And... 1881 01:30:28,344 --> 01:30:30,034 I didn't realize it as a young adult, 1882 01:30:30,068 --> 01:30:33,758 but one of the reasons that I watched your show was for that 1883 01:30:33,827 --> 01:30:35,172 moment, 1884 01:30:35,206 --> 01:30:38,137 when you sit down with these men and you ask them 1885 01:30:38,206 --> 01:30:40,000 why they're here. 1886 01:30:40,068 --> 01:30:43,724 What could bring them to do this? 1887 01:30:43,827 --> 01:30:46,931 And it took me a long time to realize that that's what I 1888 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,034 wanted from your show. 1889 01:30:49,137 --> 01:30:52,241 In many ways, you are who... 1890 01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:55,103 we do this for. 1891 01:30:55,344 --> 01:30:59,275 I had no idea, getting into this, 1892 01:30:59,344 --> 01:31:02,551 what it would become, the impact it would have. 1893 01:31:02,620 --> 01:31:06,689 And it sends a message that we will stand up for the survivor. 1894 01:31:06,793 --> 01:31:10,931 And that is a big part of what we do in this particular series 1895 01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,586 of investigations. 1896 01:31:21,965 --> 01:31:25,137 Chris, you're obviously free to go. 1897 01:31:25,275 --> 01:31:26,827 You're free to-- 1898 01:31:26,896 --> 01:31:29,931 "What happens next?" "That's not up to me." 1899 01:31:31,344 --> 01:31:32,931 - Guys, thank you! - Thank you. 1900 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:33,965 Appreciate it. 1901 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:34,896 Great work, guys. Thank you. 1902 01:31:34,965 --> 01:31:37,034 Nice to see ya. 1903 01:31:37,137 --> 01:31:39,448 Here's our pretend kitchen. 1904 01:32:25,103 --> 01:32:30,275 ♪pensive ethereal music♪ 1905 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,931 That's a cut for A and B. 1906 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,137 David, you good? 1907 01:33:55,137 --> 01:33:58,103 You get everything you want? 1908 01:34:11,724 --> 01:34:16,931 ♪serene synth music♪ 135043