All language subtitles for Touching Evil s03e03 Fiery Death 1

Why don't you say your marriage broke
down, Dave?

Probably the same reasons as yours did,
Philip.

There's a white band on your finger
where your ring used to be.

One in three marriages in this country
end in divorce. If that's an indication

of mental illness, God help us. This
isn't a battle, Dave. You're not here to

prove anything.

I'm sorry. I thought that was precisely
the point of this.

I simply need you to explain to me why
you want to go back to a job that

your marriage and gave you a nervous
breakdown.

When was the last time you had
promotion?

Hasn't made you quit, has it?

You get to a point in your life when you
think, well, this is what I do best,

this is who I am.

No, no, you're wrong about that. I've
separated those two out.

If I won the lottery tomorrow, you
wouldn't see me for dust.

Well,

that's probably why I do what I do
better than you.

How do I know you won't succumb to the
pressure again?

I don't think you understand.

When was the last time a friend of yours
was murdered?

Some kids coming here messing about,
looking for a thrill.

Got more than they bargained for.

No one around here heard or saw anything
unusual last night.

No one's reported a fire. We looked for
the prints outside, but with this boss,

the grounds rock hard.

It's a waste of time looking for prints.

Body's been here at least two weeks.

Look, you've given your permission for
me to come back.

If there's any doubt in your mind, you
could always ask another junior officer

to compile a report on me.

Taylor was on her way to the morgue when
they spoke to her.

She may have hung on for you.

They offered me extended leave.

Didn't take it.

Long holidays bore me rigid.

How was the assessment?

As you'd expect.

Did he talk about Rivers?

Not a lot.

Two deaths within three weeks of each
other. Both taken to a remote spot and

torched. Seen a crime five miles apart.

In both cases, no one heard or saw
anything.

So we're looking for a pyromaniac
sadist.

At the minute, we're just looking for an
ID on this body.

He was a big guy.

Over six foot.

Planked 12, 13 stone.

He had a way.

I could have told you that.

I do hope there's more.

In the amount of decomposition, I'd
say...

Been there at least a fortnight.

What about his teeth?

Estimate of age?

Difficult to say.

Come on, Max, there must be something.

Between 25 and 45.

Without more information, it's going to
be virtually impossible to identify.

I found a replacement for Riverside.

Our mystery man is found here.

Hyman House.

Place for people with psychiatric
problems.

It's founded by a wealthy philanthropist
who objected to the old Victorian

asylums. Burned down 989.

There'll have been an inquiry.

I'll check it out. So what's the
connection between this body and, um...

Jane Howard?

Well, at the minute, no obvious
connection, except in the way they died.

Jane Howard burned to death months ago,
found in woodland a mile away from her

home in Muswell Hill.

Widow.

Retired florist.

Pillar of the community.

Bloody, bloody, bloody, blah, blah.

And the coroner's report was assumed
suicide.

Yet forensics didn't find as much as a
match at the scene of the crime.

Excluding spontaneous combustion, there
is no way she could have done it

herself. Compared with our friend here.
Interesting point.

There's very little damage to the area
surrounding each of the...

Okay, everyone, this is Martin Simmons.
Just joined us. I thought it might be a

good idea if you sat in on this
briefing.

Martin.

Very little damage to the area
surrounding each of the bodies.

So once these two were set on fire, they
didn't try and run.

They just let it happen.

No one heard anything.

No screaming.

No raised voices.

Did anything come up in the tox report?

Oh, well, this fellow was too badly
decomposed to test for drugs.

Jane Howard has since been cremated.

Ironic, I know. Any evidence of
accelerant?

Well, they weren't going to go up like
that without some help, were they?

I was wondering if the same accelerant
was used in both cases.

We're still waiting on forensics. What
did a missing person say?

Nothing positive yet. Looks like Jane
Howard was our first victim.

You'd better talk to the family.

Do you think your mother might have
committed suicide?

No.

Not really.

We know this is difficult.

But can you think of any reason why
someone might have wanted to kill her?

Absolutely none.

She didn't have any money.

When was the last time you saw her?

Not long before.

A week.

And there wasn't anything troubling her?

Anything you thought odd?

No.

I could always tell if she was keeping
anything from me.

I've drawn up something on arson and its
motives.

Financial reward covering up another
crime, political protest, mixed motives,

arson committed by young adults and
children.

Revenge.

Oh, and last but not least, arson
committed as a means of deriving sexual

satisfaction, which, as far as I'm
concerned, is a lot about bollocks.

Anyway, who mentioned arson?

We would have appreciated some warning,
so... I'm sorry?

We didn't think you were going to
replace Rivers so quickly.

Simmons is here on a transfer for six
weeks.

He isn't working for you exclusively.

Here's the report into the 89 fire at
Hyman House.

All patient and staff records were
destroyed in the fire.

That's a good start.

And Joseph Layton was injured.

Suffered 40 % burns.

He might give us something useful if
he's still alive.

The woman who used to run that place.

Dr.

Philippa Edwards. She works for the Home
Office now.

What's she like?

Clever, ambitious, highly strong.

Jacques Dutronc.

1991, he was convicted of the murder of
five women.

Sorry, you set them on fire.

Where is he now?

High security prison, Limoges.

Roger Tronk, he, uh... He used to talk
his victims into allowing themselves to

be burned.

I mean, fire as a weapon of death is
rare.

Don't make me speak to him. When can you
go?

He only talks to women.

Besides, your friend is much better than
mine.

I'll go to the home office.

The investigation said the fire at Hyman
House was an accident.

Do you have any reason to disagree with
that? If I had, I would have said it at

the time of the inquiry.

Did any of the residents have a history
of fire setting?

Fire setting isn't uncommon amongst
those with psychiatric disorders.

Meaning? If you check their notes, I'm
sure you'd find several of them have

such history. No, but I can't.

Because of all destroying the fire?

Of course.

Along with a couple of very valuable
prints of mine.

Oh, I'm sorry.

The man who was burned, Josh Layton. Do
you know what happened to him? Look, I'm

sorry. It's over ten years ago.

All the residents were transferred to
other units.

I myself didn't take up another post.
And why was that?

It was a traumatic experience for us
all, Inspector.

Did the name Jane Howard mean anything
to you?

No. Was she a resident?

Thank you, Doctor.

You've been very helpful.

Control. Cregan?

Yes, Cregan, you asked me to find you
IC1 male, name of Josh Layton.

Where is he?

He's in Middlesex Hospital, Armitage
Ward.

Do you know why?

Yes, he's recovering from his...

She don't mean it. I thought we spoke in
English.

So you want to learn more about fire?

What does fire make you think of?

Heat. And?

Danger. And?

Cleansing, purification, creativity,
life, death, power.

I know what's wrong.

You feel for them, don't you?

You worry about their pain.

Suzanne, life is full of pain.

Being born is one of the most painful of
human experiences.

But wouldn't I have that?

Did you restrain your victims?

No. Were they drugged?

No.

I seduced them.

Not literally.

I don't get that kind of satisfaction
from setting fire.

What kind of satisfaction do you get?

Spiritual.

Of course.

After fire, we feel... clean again.

Unpolished. Not if you're dead, you
don't.

How do you know?

You're probably a very clever woman, but
even you don't know how it feels to be

dead.

Death by fire is the purest way of
dying.

That's why we say consumed by fire.

That's why it was a special punishment
for heretics.

Because their sins were deemed so bad
that only fire could cleanse them

completely. The young women you killed
died agonizing deaths.

They'd already undergone the process of
re -education.

Fire is a possible force in nearly every
primitive society.

That's why missionaries always failed to
frighten the native with a story of

hellfire and damnation.

There's no need to be afraid.

My girls were not afraid in the end.

They were in ecstasy, not agony.

He didn't talk about you much.

Oh, yeah, there's an unwritten rule.

You know, we keep work and family apart.

Thought most of you didn't have
families.

He worked for the OSC, Hannah.

It was his choice.

I lied just now. He did talk about you.

He said you were unpredictable.

Brilliant.

Unique.

Did he?

Well, he always was one to exaggerate.

I'm not really sure why I'm here,
Hannah.

Neither am I.

People keep telling me it wasn't my
fault.

I know they're just saying it to shut me
up.

I'm sorry.

I shouldn't be telling you this.

I've lost my sense of taste since it
happened.

Isn't that strange?

You feel for them, don't you?

You worry about their pain.

There's no need.

Their pain was short.

We're the ones who suffer.

The dead don't care about the living.

It's a living who had to deal with pain.

Thanks very much.

Hi.

Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry.

I just want to go through it with you.

The case.

Quiggan, don't lurk. I wasn't lurking.

I hate it when you lurk.

So I was our professor of anthropology.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah, pathology can't identify the body.

It's got two victims, a benign 65 -year
-old woman and a man with no face.

I'm going to call Tom Munro.

Get him to do a reconstruction job for
us.

Yeah, good.

Yeah, I thought so. Quiggan.

Insomnia is commonly thought to be a
feature of the disturbed mind.

Now, since it's barely two days since
you passed your medical, I think you

should go home, go to bed, and at least
pretend to be a normal person.

Night -night.

Dad, what do you want?

I came to get the kids.

It's nearly half eleven. They're fast
asleep.

Oh.

Well,

can I just see them?

You see?

I told you they were fine.

Look at them and I don't care about
anything else.

Everyone else can go to hell.

What's wrong?

Andy's still giving you grief?

Debbie, I can't go on

babysitting.

It's the third time this week. I need a
rest myself.

Right, well, I'll see you tomorrow then.

Pack it up for you, shall I, Tom?

If it's any bother, I've got to... How
long's it going to take? I've got to

clean up the skull first, you know,
repair the damage, and then, well, it

depends. On what?

On how inspired I'm feeling.

Any news on the accelerant used?

Petrol.

Talking of which, I found something
unusual.

Traces of it in this guy's lung.

He inhaled it.

Hmm. It's more common in suicide.

Once the persons cover themselves with
petrol, there's usually a pause before

they go through with it.

Sometimes the interval's long enough for
the fumes to be absorbed into the lung.

But this isn't suicide.

No, it's absolutely not.

Far out of somewhere at the back of the
body.

How big an interval?

Er, ten, fifteen minutes.

Oh, he knows he's daft at our max.

If there's something to do and it's hard
to begin it, sit right about it. Don't

waste a minute.

Enid Blyton.

The wonders of a classical education.

What was all that back there?

Tom's wife left him about six months
ago.

She's now living with Max.

Can you imagine sleeping with a
pathologist?

No.

Same as before.

I know this place from the map. We had
three attempts at clearing up the

dealers.

Her name's Debbie Lewis.

She lived on the estate with her two
kids.

Are these cuts here?

Maybe she put up a fight.

I don't know. It could be self
-mutilation.

Yeah, I could eat a potato.

So when's it due?

April.

April 13th.

Should we come back later?

No. No, I'm fine now.

Did Debbie say where she was going?

After she dropped the kids off last
night?

No.

The club.

I don't remember the name.

Not into clubbing.

Yeah, I can't see you raving with that.

She came back to collect them at what
time?

It was late, about half eleven.

She did things like that. She wasn't
with it.

You know she's an addict.

I felt sorry for the kids. I thought if
she leaves them with me, at least

they're safe.

I told her they were asleep and I'd drop
around to her place in the morning.

So at what time did she leave?

I don't know.

She wasn't here long.

Midnight?

I watched her until she got to the flat.
She was upset.

You actually saw her go back to the
flat? I can see her front door from

I saw her go out again later when I was
on my way to bed.

Was she alone?

There was someone else.

This is completely confidential, Lynn.

Hey.

Trust us.

Sit down.

B .I. Cregan and Taylor. Never heard of
you. Are you funny?

This woman, her name's Jane Howard. Ring
any bells, Andy?

None whatsoever.

Well, maybe you'd like to take a closer
look.

Still never heard of her.

How long were you and Debbie Lewis
together?

Six years. So what happened then?

Did you wake up one day and think, this
relationship has broken down?

Or did she chalk you out? I left.

Do you know what it's like living with a
junkie? A lot of addicts make

surprisingly good mothers.

Yeah. And some of them stick their
finger in methadone and let the baby

it.

Did Debbie ever cut herself?

Do what?

You know, self -abuse.

No, she wasn't like that.

She just gave in all the time.

She couldn't be bothered. I left because
I got fed up waiting for her to clean

up her act.

I found this in your flat, Andy.

So what?

I've got a car.

I don't like running out of petrol.

It's prudent.

Well, why not keep it in your car, like
most people?

I did not kill Debbie.

I hadn't even seen her for two days.

Well, we've got a witness who says they
saw you leave the flat with Debbie in

the early hours of this morning.

They can't have.

Who told you that?

This is Diary Taylor, closing this
interview at 12 .45am.

The typical arsonist is likely to have
problems forming relationships, so

probably lives alone, is separated or
divorced.

He may have previous for petty theft,
criminal damage, possibly fire -setting.

Likely to have had a relationship with
the deceased.

It's not him. It's not Carson.

We're talking about fire as a weapon of
death.

We're not playing with matches.

He's got a motive.

For Debbie, not for the others.

We don't even know who that body in the
Heinemann house belongs to. How can we

assume there's no connection with
Carson?

Look, this isn't some embittered ex
getting his own back.

Our killer's on a mission. He's driven.

He's already killed three times.

Targeting specific people and disposing
of them in a very specific way.

What did the trunk say?

It's about purification. Making the bad
good.

If Debbie was a drug addict, maybe the
killer thinks he's burning away her

Jane Howard? Does she have a drug
problem too?

He's got a point.

How many retired florist heroin addicts
do you know?

So, what are you going to do with
Carson?

We let him go.

We put a follow on him.

Apart from the obvious, heroin, I found
rehypnol.

Large dose.

Given about half an hour before time of
death.

That's why there's no sound.

No screaming.

No struggling.

First I thought they were scratches that
she tried to fight off a killer, but

the marks are too deliberate to be part
of a struggle.

They're letters.

That's a Y, an M and an F. Or an E.

Y -M -E.

Why me?

They're fresh.

An hour before death at most.

It's possible she did them herself, but
unlikely.

No, Carson said she never cut herself.

Now the killer did this.

Why me?

We won't know if it's something he did
to the others.

Jane Howard was cremated and the second
body was too badly burned.

Is he telling us why he chose Debbie?
Why she deserved to die?

Well, what kind of system do you call
this?

Well, um... Greetings.

Facts from Southgate CID.

What is it?

Suspected arson.

Four people in intensive care.

Well, the house was set on fire.

Yeah, I believe so.

Nothing to do with this case, sir. Three
miles from the Hyman house fire. They

want you to check it out. One of the
victims is conscious. Please.

What, you're on your way out?

Josh Layton?

Recovering from his tenth operation?

What are you giving it me for?

Because it's a waste of time.

Just file it away.

The investigation at the time of the
fire said it was a cigarette.

His name was Matt.

Matt Van Der Twist.

Not a name you forget easily.

You actually saw him do it?

As good as.

It wasn't his first go. He tried it
before.

Why wasn't this mentioned at the
inquiry?

I was too sick to talk.

Everyone else, they knew they wouldn't
be taken seriously.

Unreliable witnesses.

If this guy Matt set fire to Hyman
House, are you saying he did it to harm

He hated me.

This is very important, Josh.

Did he start the fire with the intention
of injuring you?

He knew I was in the next room.

He knew I'd have no way of getting out.

He wanted to kill me.

Matt van der Twist.

Born 1963 in Dordrecht. Dutch father who
died when he was six.

Referred to a child guidance clinic at
eight.

Next time he turns up, this is in a
psychiatric unit.

What happened straight after the Hyman
House fire?

In 1990, he was recommitted.

He was charged in 93, then nothing.

Family? No, single, no kids.

His mother says he turns up about once a
year, thinks he might be living on the

street. He might be a victim.

Not a suspect.

And the body in Hyman House might be
him.

Well, the killer chose fire for a
reason.

If he sees these people as sinful, then
he has to cleanse them of their sins.

And he wants us to know why they need
cleansing.

Not why me, mark on the body. If the
twist set this fire, he caused Josh's

injury, that gives the killer enough
reason to punish the twist.

I fire with fire.

I'll issue a description.

What is it?

I had another call from Southgate CID
asking whether you'd interviewed the guy

in hospital.

His wife and three children died.

I know, I know what you're going to say.

Just do it.

Get him off my back.

Take Simmons with you.

He could do with some fresh air.

I don't remember anything else until I
woke up and the room was full of smoke.

I tried to wake Sam, but I couldn't.

I picked up the baby and I went into the
kids' bedroom.

I carried Lauren and then I tried to
carry Justin too, but I couldn't carry

three.

I kept falling over.

Do you have an idea who might have done
it?

Had you had a fight with someone?

Was anyone trying to hurt you or your
family?

Do you remember anything unusual?

Anything at all?

Are you sure you didn't see someone
before the fire started?

There was someone.

A man.

Go on.

Running.

I was going to bed, he was running. How
old was he, Sam?

Twenty? Thirty?

Thirty, thirty -five.

Unshaven.

Scruffy.

Light hair, I think.

It was dark, I didn't really get much of
a look at him.

It's your description of the twat.

It's got to be significant. You asked
him a leading question.

We'll never know if he would have
volunteered that suspect, but without

prompt.

Are you married?

No. Kids?

No. Two.

So, are you going to follow it up?

Oh, we've got to follow it up now.

Hi, you've reached Hannah and Mark. I'm
afraid we're not here right now, but

please leave a message.

Hannah to Dave Cregan.

a conversation and a monologue.

If you want to talk, I'm here.

And if I'm not here, I'm on the mobile.

Bye.

Well,

you've got him.

Tartan's left his flat.

He's heading towards his car.

out of this flat.

Why? Come on!

What did you tell him, Phil?

What did you say?

Why? What did you say?

Why did you have to tell him that?

What did you say?

Hello!

The bitch set me up! I was my kids
because of you bastards!

Don't think everyone's against you,
Andy.

Beaten up, a pregnant woman is not the
correct response to stress.

She's a liar! She's a liar!

She doesn't seem too bad. She's just
shaken. I've got a doctor to come out

look at the baby.

What the hell were you lot playing at?

She's a witness!

Hey, Cregan.

Listen, if they weren't properly
briefed, that's our fault, not theirs.

Oh, well, that's going to go on the
report.

What report are you talking about?

The one Enright asked Rivers to compile.

Oh, lovely.

Enright's had you back, Dave.

Show him he's made the right decision.

It's all right, he's gone.

There's no need to be frightened, OK?

I thought he was going to kill me.

I thought he was going to do to me what
he did to Debbie.

Well, we're not sure he did kill Debbie.

I'm sorry, Lynette.

You're not responsible for people like
Andy.

Of course I am.

That's the whole point.

Look, we can charge him with assault.

I don't have time.

It's been hard enough dealing with
Debbie.

Is Debbie your first death?

No.

I lost my mother when I was small.

When my wife, well, my ex -wife was
having her first, her mother died three

weeks before the birth.

And she couldn't grieve because she
thought it was unfair to the child.

Children have a right to happy parents,
she said.

Is that why you left your family?

No, that's... No, there were lots of
reasons.

But you not being happy with the main
one? No, I was shot.

I died.

You mean you almost died? No, I was
dead.

For a short while.

Well, when I came out of hospital, I
could tell they'd all been preparing for

death.

They were all getting used to the fact
that I wasn't going to be there.

I know it sounds awful, but it's the
kids I feel for more than Debbie.

You? Yeah.

I wish John was here.

My husband is away working.

Cregan, Tom and Rose are ready for us.

Take care of yourself.

And the baby.

Sorry about the ungodly hour, but once I
get going, I don't stop till I finish.

I didn't even know it's the time.

Don't worry.

Some of us don't need much sleep.

Anyway, it's over here.

Did Simmons fax you the photo around
this place? Oh, yeah, over there, by the

fax machine.

It's not him.

Not a twerp.

We're appealing to the public for any
information, anything at all, which may

help us to identify this man.

That's it. Is it true that three people
have been burned to death in the last

few weeks and that you're operating a
news blackout? The conference is over,

General. Then you think the public
deserve to know what's going on? It's a

try. We're as sure as we can be. The
body didn't belong to the quest. Yeah,

we've got a whole set of dental records
to double -check, but the face is

completely different, which now means we
have to consider him as our main

suspect.

He's our only suspect.

And of the previous one. The risk of
repeating myself, sir, this isn't Arden.

It was a resident of Hyman House, so he
knows the location.

Ten years ago, he allegedly burned the
place down. A victim of that fire

believes he did it with murder in mind.

Hit the profile.

He also fits Michael Flynn's
description.

Michael Flynn?

The survivor of the Southgate fire.

Can we talk about this later?

We're appealing to the public for any
information, anything at all, which may

help us identify him.

I've had two people give the same name.

One woman wouldn't believe her name. She
rang off pretty quick.

The other was his ex -wife.

Said she hadn't seen him for a few
months, but that's nothing unusual.

Robert Wise.

He's come up on line one as well.

Robert Wise was a psychiatric nurse.
Between 83 and 89, he worked at

House. How do you know?

Just spoke to his ex -wife.

Such a twist knew him.

That doesn't mean he killed him. What it
does mean is that Robert Wise was

killed in the place where he used to
work. Well, what about Flynn? How does

feel? He doesn't. He never did.

Because Michael Flynn burnt down his own
house.

Look, he said he saw your man run away,
what, 10 o 'clock?

The neighbours raised the alarm 11 .15.

No -one else reported seeing anyone.
There was no accelerant on the outside

the front door and there was no sign of
a forced entry.

He planned it, man.

This wasn't an insurance scam. A house
wasn't insured. It was overcrowded.

Two adults, three children sharing a two
-bedroomed house.

They wanted a transfer.

They tried three times but were turned
down because they owed too much back

rent.

He made up the suspect, Martin.

I really can't see why we needed to meet
here.

Well, thanks for coming anyway.

I'm due as a select committee in an
hour. It'll be five minutes. We just

some help with the layout of this place.

Well, this used to be the admin section.
The residence room's mostly on the

first floor. Can we start with your
office?

The end of this corridor.

After you.

This was it.

It, uh, smells a little better when it
was my office.

Few things as destructive as fire.

That depends on your perspective,
really.

In the mayor, he believed that fire was
a gift from the god's blind grandmother.

He drew it from her fingernails by
magic.

What was this room used for?

It was the main dining room.

Beautiful, isn't it?

The man who founded the charity insisted
on things like that.

He said people who suffer torment in
their inner world...

Deserved to be surrounded by beauty.

How long did Robert Wise work here? Who?

Oh, the man they found here.

I'm sorry.

It's so long ago.

Do you remember a resident called Matt
Vandertwest?

I'm afraid not.

Well, her office might smell better, but
she stinks.

The investigation said the fire started
in the kitchen.

Her office?

Was it the other side of the house?

Yeah. There's no way those residence
files could have gone up in smoke.

Lucy Bond, she was one of the anonymous
callers that identified wives. Why

refuse to give your name and then turn
up in person?

I've got something on my mind.

At first I thought somebody had started
the rumour out of malice.

It's very hard to believe that a
colleague, a nurse, could use his power

What are we talking about?

Assault?

Rape.

Who?

How many?

I don't know for sure.

When people who are already in a pretty
fragile state of abuse like that, they

don't usually talk.

Was it just women?

No, I don't think so.

Did you tell Philippa Edwards?

She didn't want to know.

I could see she was more concerned about
any potential scandal.

I gave my notice in and three weeks
later the place burned down.

Best thing that could have happened.

I want a trace on all residents and
staff at Hyman House who ever lapped

Robert Wise. Sure.

We've got a mother who wasn't averse to
giving her kids methadone, keep them

quiet, and a nurse who abused the trust
of his patients.

Debbie failed her kids, Robert Wise, he
failed the vulnerable adults in his

care.

If the killer was assaulted by Robert
Wise, then the killer is a victim.

The me is the killer.

It's not the victim.

Why me?

But if it's an act of retribution by one
of Wise's victims...

Why wait 10 years to carry it out?

I don't know.

I should have run first. Is this a bad
time?

No, of course not. Come in.

You're working.

I'm sorry. Believe me, it's fine.

I'm leaving.

It's very late. I'm really imposing.

No, you're not.

You alright?

You're not coming down with something,
huh?

I'm at Hyman House.

We've had sighting of a man who fits
their twist description.

Turn your bloody phone on, Cregan.