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Tonight, on History's Greatest
Mysteries.
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Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New
Mexico suggested that one of the
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strange discs had been found and
infected.
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In 1947, something crashed in the desert
in the American Southwest.
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Whatever the object was, it has created
shockwaves still felt today.
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I'm Lawrence Fishburne.
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On tonight's mystery...
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What crashed in Roswell, New Mexico?
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Was it a flying saucer, as headlines
first announced, or a secret military
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aircraft?
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A new investigation seeks answers.
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This might be that piece of the puzzle.
An ex -CIA officer named Ben Smith has
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obtained a cryptic journal. It was found
among the papers of Major Jesse Marcel,
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the first U .S. Army officer to
investigate the wreckage.
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He always said that he was sworn to
secrecy. Does it contain coded clues of
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Marcel really saw? It was not anything
from this earth.
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What about stories of alleged alien
bodies in the wreckage? She said there
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little people and there were some dead
and some alive.
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Did the U .S. government cover up the
truth and does it still possess the
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wreckage of a UFO?
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I do know one name of a man who had
pieces of debris.
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The truth behind Roswell.
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according to those who were there.
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Ben Smith has been intrigued by Roswell
and UFOs for years.
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Investigating was at the core of my work
at CIA.
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I went under deep cover, lived a double
life to collect intel on terrorist
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networks, foreign spy activities, even
weapons of mass destruction.
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Smith says this may be his most
challenging mission, trying to figure
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truth about what really crashed near
Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.
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So this is it, huh? This is it. Ground
zero.
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Don Schmidt has written seven
bestsellers about Roswell and
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people connected to the incident than
anyone alive.
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Taking a look at the impact site now,
that crash in 47.
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I was a special investigator for the
late Dr. Jalen Hynek, who was consultant
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the Air Force Project Blue Book. I was a
skeptic. And the one case that I wanted
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to investigate was Roswell.
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And for having talked to over 600
witnesses, either directly or indirectly
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involved, I am 99 % convinced that what
indeed crashed here back in 1947
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was a craft of unknown origin, not
manufactured on this planet.
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Ben Smith asked Schmidt to show him the
site where the crashed debris was found.
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This is it, Beth.
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What we consider the most significant
location as far as in the entire history
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of the UFO phenomenon.
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It's total isolation.
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We could just as well be on the dark
side of the moon.
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You know, my background is in the CIA.
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And I have no agenda except to explore
this mystery.
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Bring some clarity to some unanswered
questions.
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It's thrilling to finally be out here
after having read so much about it, a
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of your work.
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This is where it all began back in 1947.
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In the 1940s, New Mexico was home to
some of America's most sensitive
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installations, including where the
atomic bomb was developed.
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By the summer of 1947, the U .S. was
worried that the Soviets were building
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their own atomic bomb.
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And Americans were worried about
something else.
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Hundreds of reports of UFOs.
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What is the flying saucer? What's behind
the daily reports of aerial phenomena
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in the nation's press?
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These supposed societies were reported
in a number of newspapers throughout the
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United States, and they actually started
to grow in number in kind of a mass
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hysteria.
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Much of the activity seemed to be
focused in New Mexico, the hotbed of
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activity at that time. New Mexico became
the focus, not only of the Soviet
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Union, but also the UFO phenomenon, as
though someone else was very interested
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in our military potential.
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By late June 1947, more than a week
before the Roswell crash, Residents in
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southern part of the state were spooked
by nearly 70 sightings of UFOs.
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It was just going in a northly motion at
a pretty rapid speed, but nothing like
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a falling star or a meteorite. So bright
like that, you couldn't look directly
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at it very long at a time.
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Then you had to look to the side of it,
just like looking into a bright sun.
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Then, on the morning of July 6, 1947,
something even stranger occurred.
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Roswell Sheriff called the nearby Army
airfield to say that a sheep rancher had
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come in with pieces of debris that he
believed came from a crashed flying
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saucer.
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The base's commander was Colonel William
H. Blanchard, a highly decorated
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military pilot.
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who in 1945 had supervised the mission
of the Enola Gay, the bomber that
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destroyed Hiroshima.
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By 1947, the base was still home to the
509th, the world's only nuclear
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-equipped bomber squadron.
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Roswell was the headquarters of the
elite military at that time. The base
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was always on full alert because they
had the atomic bomb.
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In response to the call from the
sheriff, Colonel Blanchard dispatched
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base's intelligence officer, Major Jesse
Marcel.
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With him was Sheridan Cabot, an agent
for Army counterintelligence.
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According to Don Schmidt's research,
this is what happened next.
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Monday morning, July 7th.
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Jesse Marcel and Sheridan Cabot arrive
at the debris field.
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With the rancher.
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Major Jesse Marcel said the first thing
that struck him was the massive amount
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of debris.
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As he would say, there was just so much
of it covered an area almost a mile
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long.
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Interviewed later about what he saw in
the debris field, Marcel claimed it was
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three quarters of a mile long, a couple
of hundred feet wide.
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At that point, that material has been
out there for days, and no one
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else is looking for it, which would
clearly suggest it's not ours.
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And if it's not ours, then whose is it?
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So Harsell and Cabot spend the better
part of the day out there looking at
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thing and trying to determine what it
was.
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Marcel picked up different pieces of the
debris and put them in boxes in the
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trunk of his car.
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Cabot would stay behind and concentrate
more of the wreckage in a
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general area.
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Marcel would make the drive back to
Roswell.
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What Jesse did next, according to his
family, was an uncharacteristic breach
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military protocol.
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He knew the material would be classified
top secret the moment it would cross
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the front gate at the Roswell Army
Airfield. It was important enough,
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enough, unusual enough that Major Marcel
would stop at his home
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on the way back to the base.
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He came back real late one night, about
2 o 'clock in the morning, as I recall,
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very excited because he found parts of a
UFO or a flying saucer at that time,
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and he wanted me to see it.
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Marcel would describe paper -thin, metal
-like material, practically weightless
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in your hands, that you couldn't cut,
you couldn't burn.
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There were silken strands of material
that Marcel described, that a lighter
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could be held to one end.
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And the light would emit out the
opposing end. Well, they're describing
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optics in 1947.
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Yet fiber optics didn't come into
development until around 1970.
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And then the I -beam structures.
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The most unusual part of the debris that
I saw was the I -beam fragment.
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Jesse Marcel, Jr. spent a lifetime
thinking about the strange materials his
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father brought home and let him handle.
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They were very light, very strong, and
they had some writing along the inside
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surface of this. And that was the thing
that really set this apart from anything
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I'd ever seen before.
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American official on the scene at
Roswell in 1947.
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Having learned of Ben Smith's
investigation, the Marcel family is
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with him. They believe they have
something he will certainly want to see.
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The Roswell incident could potentially
be the greatest event in the history of
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humankind.
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We have how many 300 trillion stars and
200 billion galaxies?
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scattered across like 15 billion light
years.
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And to think that we're all alone in all
of that space is pretty sad.
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So I personally want to know, is there
anybody out there?
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And have they been here?
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The Roswell incident has got the
potential for physical evidence.
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and a host of reliable witnesses who all
describe something the
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world has never seen before.
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There's no way for me to know but to
research, to start at the bottom and
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my way through the facts.
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The Marcel family has a journal
belonging to their grandfather.
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The journal could change the entire
story about what happened at Roswell.
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Hi. Hey. Jesse Marcel.
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Jesse, pleasure to meet you. Ben. Ben,
nice to finally meet you. Come on in.
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My brother and sister are here as well.
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I first saw the journal going through
some military documents of my
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and it was just in with the military
documents.
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Here's a diary.
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Oh, okay, wow.
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He put it in a cedar chest, and it was
in there until the day he died. There's
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something very important about that
journal.
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This is pretty wild.
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Right? Until now, no one outside the
Marcel family has ever seen this
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Does it contain fresh details?
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about what really happened in Roswell.
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January 4th, 1946 to 1948.
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That would have been a year, almost a
year after. About a year after. Almost
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exactly a year.
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Ben Smith's investigation of the Roswell
incident has taken him to Spokane,
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Washington to meet the grandchildren of
Jesse Marcel.
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who believe they have a crucial piece of
evidence.
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Boy, this really does run the gamut
then. It starts before Roswell and ends
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about a year after. Right.
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After his death, Marcel's family found a
journal hidden with his military
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records that he had never shared with
anyone.
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There's something very important about
that journal.
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There are entries dated from around the
time of Roswell, but the notations are
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strange and confusing.
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Could they be coded clues to what Marcel
really saw?
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Why was he writing movie quotes or
songs?
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How into pop culture and movie and books
was your grandfather?
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We never talked about that guy as our
grandfather.
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No. You know, it could also be something
like a mnemonic device where you
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memorize something totally different
from the subject matter so that it
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your recall later.
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Ben wonders if their grandfather, a
seasoned intelligence officer, was
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hide information because he'd been
warned.
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never to reveal the truth about the UFO.
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Since he worked in intelligence, you're
not going to say it out, oh, hell, wow,
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I just found a UFO.
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You're not going to write it out like
that.
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You're going to be kind of cryptic about
it because you don't want anybody else
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to maybe see what you're writing.
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At one point, the military came back and
said, yeah, you've got to stop making
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this stuff up about the UFO crash.
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And he grabbed his medals and threw them
away. He was done.
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He was done.
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And he was very upset.
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Jesse Marcel was born in 1907 in the
bayou country of southern Louisiana.
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His childhood fascination with maps
would lead to a job with Shell Oil,
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worked with aerial photographs.
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This combination of skills made him an
obvious candidate for Air Force
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Intelligence School after America went
to war in 1942.
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Lieutenant Marcel's job Mapping targets
for bomber squadrons in the Pacific
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earned him two air medals and a bronze
star.
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When World War II ended, Marcel, with a
young family to support, decided to stay
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in the military, receiving a plum
assignment with the Army Air Force's
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elite unit, the 509th Bomber Squadron
based in Roswell.
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He always said that he was sworn to
secrecy, so he never shared everything
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had happened out there.
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But whatever he saw...
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was so significant.
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He was willing to take a chance with his
entire military career to show his son
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and his wife this stuff.
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The Marcells say that after stopping at
home to show the debris to his wife and
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son,
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Jesse arrived at the Roswell Army
Airfield for the regular morning
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meeting.
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He presented the strange debris he'd
collected to the base's commanding
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Colonel William H. Blanchard.
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Blanchard ordered his public affairs
officer, First Lieutenant Walter Hout,
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issue an immediate press release.
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I was instructed by Colonel Blanchard to
put out a press release, which in
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effect stated that we had in our
possession a flying saucer.
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As soon as that hit the Roswell Daily
Record, it was broadcast by the local
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radio station.
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It went. They didn't use that term back
then, but it went viral across the whole
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globe.
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Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New
Mexico suggested that the widely
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publicized mystery of the flying saucers
may soon be solved.
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Army Air Force officers reported that
one of the strange disks had been found
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and infected sometime last week.
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As news that a flying saucer had been
discovered spread around the world, the
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Army chain of command took control.
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millions of Americans believe that what
happened next, the effort to conceal the
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UFO crash, is one of the greatest cover
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Colonel Blanchard ordered Major Marcel
to fly to Carswell Armory Airfield in
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Fort Worth, Texas, to present the
material to Brigadier General Roger
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head of the 8th Air Force, commanding
officer over the 509th Bomb Group.
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Marcel thought he was flying to Fort
Worth with pieces of flying saucer
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Major Marcel would arrive at Fort Worth
approximately 4 o 'clock that afternoon,
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and he presented the material.
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Ramey took Marcel to an adjoining map
room.
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When Marcel would return with the
general back to his office, the real
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was gone.
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In its place was a weather balloon.
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The Army called a hasty press
conference.
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It's at this moment, according to Smith,
that the alleged cover -up begins.
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Ladies and gentlemen, mystery solved.
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It's just a weather balloon device.
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Nothing to worry about.
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And the press accepted it.
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All the personnel at the base were
ordered never to bring it up again,
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talk about what had transpired, and they
got away with it.
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31 years later, however, the man at the
center of the Roswell incident from the
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very beginning came forward with what he
said was the real story.
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The following morning, we went out to
this site where the crash was, and what
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saw, I couldn't believe.
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Marcel!
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says in interviews, that's not the stuff
I brought from Roswell.
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In a 1980 interview for the series In
Search Of with Leonard Nimoy, Marcel
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claims he was forced to go along with a
cover -up.
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They took pictures, of course. They had
a whole flock of microphones there. They
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wanted some comments from me, but I
wasn't that driven to do that.
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So all I could do is keep my mouth shut.
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And General Ramey is the one who...
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discussed, told the newspapers, I mean
the newsmen, what it was and to forget
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about it. It was nothing more than an
observation balloon.
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Of course, which we both knew
differently.
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I had never seen anything like that
before.
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As of now, I don't know what it was.
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It was not anything from this earth that
I'm quite sure of.
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Watching this interview with his
grandchildren, you can really feel the
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in the room.
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Marcel claimed the military swore him to
secrecy and hid the truth.
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For his family, it was a government
cover -up, plain and simple.
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Our grandpa wasn't really a public
person. He didn't want the spotlight. In
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fact, he kind of shied away from it. But
I really think that this gave him a way
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to release a lot of weight on his
shoulders.
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This was like a cleansing in a way, a
way just to let off the softest chest,
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going to kind of go where it's going to
go.
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I mean, he's incredibly courageous.
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There are very few intelligence officers
who ever come forward in public about
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what they did.
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So there's a very admirable trait of
bravery. He stood up for what he
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and he went out and he spoke to
everyone, and that takes guts, and then
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with the blowback.
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He felt that there was an importance for
it to come out, to be seen, you know,
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that something did occur.
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Now, I think he was really upset that
they made him the fall guy.
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and that he couldn't believe that it's
still at this point that it was still
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being covered up.
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And I think he did want it to be out,
but at the same point he knew that there
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were secrets that had to stay secret.
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I think Grandpa wanted us to learn more.
I think he really wanted to tell
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everything he knew about it.
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That's the reason I think there's
evidence out there that he did.
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We've just got to get to it.
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Jesse Marcel's grandchildren hope the
journal will vindicate him.
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by revealing the truth about what really
crashed at Roswell and the cover -up
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they say he was forced to participate
in.
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Somebody comes out and says, you know
what, he served his country well and we
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apologize for making him go through
this.
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And also my father, I want some
vindication for him too. I probably
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answers immediately just looking at it.
But over time and as we start to build
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the investigation, perhaps some of these
clues will come into focus.
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This can be a game changer. The rest of
the story about what happened at Roswell
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from its most important witness.
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During his investigation, Smith will
work with Joe Pappalardo, a veteran
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journalist who specializes in aviation.
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My investigation really starts from...
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This man here, Jesse Marcel Sr., the
chief of intelligence at the 509th
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Group at Roswell Army Air Force Base.
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Jesse Marcel Sr.
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kept a small army portfolio of his
military records and in it a small
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journal.
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Jesse Marcel, the man at the center of
the claim that Roswell was a cover -up,
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kept this journal among his most
important papers.
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Obviously, it was very valuable to him.
The question is, is it a key to my
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investigation?
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Some of the dates described in the
journal capture 1947.
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It's a remarkable piece of history, and
nobody really knows about it yet. You're
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right to be excited.
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If this is real, yes.
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This is an actual journal from that
time. It would represent a primary
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document from that era. So that's the
thing that you want to go after as a
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researcher. I would like to take a look
at what you got to see a little bit more
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about this diary.
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Let me actually bring it up on the
projector here.
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This is the notebook here. Right away I
see a typical Army field issue notebook.
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So here we have a date, 1946.
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This entire journal comes from when he
was at Roswell. Correct.
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Our date here, we have August 31st,
1947.
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About six weeks, seven weeks after the U
.S. Army Corps put out their infamous
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UFO crash at Roswell. Flying disc.
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There's a beautiful cursive handwriting.
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And then if we fast forward, just kind
of erratic, mixed
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case, blocky lettering. And I can't make
sense of it.
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A couple of things leap to mind
immediately when you see a change that's
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drastic. It's impossible not to notice
that it's different. It's either a
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different person writing it or it's the
same person in a different mindset.
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Is that by design or is that just
unintentional? The content seems the
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How does the journal compare with the
timeline of the incident?
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Well, there's no mention of Roswell at
all. No mention of any events. No
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of any wreckage. Just these jokes and
quotes and musings and ideas captured in
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different handwriting.
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And there's only sporadic dates.
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They read like quotes from Reader's
Digest.
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Life is what you make it until someone
comes along and changes it.
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Two half -brothers make one.
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Well, now that I am too old to set a bad
example, I delight in giving good
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advice.
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So it meant something to him, but no one
knows what.
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Yeah.
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He's a soldier. He was in charge of
intelligence at the 509th. He knew a lot
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secrets. He took them very seriously.
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It's kind of hard to imagine the
seriousness that people back then...
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secrecy and took nuclear secrecy and
nuclear weapons in particular.
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I mean, there were hordes of Soviet
spies trying to get this information at
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time.
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In 1947, the United States and the
Soviet Union were already Cold War
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The U .S. possessed nuclear weapons
while the Soviets did not.
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Major Jesse Marcel and his colleagues in
the 509th Bomber Squadron wanted to
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keep it that way.
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They were basically the only nuclear
bombing group in the world. He was
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entrusted with the biggest secrets that
the military has.
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One thing that the Marcel children
insist on is that their grandfather was
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absolutely certain that the debris that
he was holding in this photo right here,
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the official government photos and the
press release, is not the debris that he
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found in the field.
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I see my grandfather.
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holding up something that he knew that
wasn't what he found.
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He was adamant that this was not what he
saw in the jury field.
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I see a man that is not liking what
they're having him do, but he knows he
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has to do it because that's his job.
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That's not what he found.
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And at that point in time, I'm sure he
kind of felt, well, maybe I'm going to
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made out to be a fall guy.
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Keeping a secret is one thing, but
telling a lie...
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is another, and being the face of that
lie in the newspaper, could break a man
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like Jesse Marcel.
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That could explain the difference in the
journal as well. Someone under that
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much stress, who knows how that
manifests.
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It's a different handwriting because
it's in a different mental state.
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What made the writing so cryptic, and
why did it suddenly change?
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Did it have to do with the UFO or its
passengers?
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Okay, so you've got this hot piece of
evidence in your hands. How do you plan
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verifying that it's real?
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I think the first step is to
authenticate the document itself. Is
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the time period or is this a recreation?
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If we can exclude the fact that it's a
forgery, then we're winning.
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Do the forensics first to make sure that
it's actually of the era.
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Yeah. Another interesting question, why
did he have it? Why was it so important
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to him that he kept it and left it among
his things to pass on to his children?
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And then the third tier is trying to
figure out what the hell it does.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, we're cut out for you in this one.
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To further his investigation of Marcel's
journal, Ben Smith contacts Jennifer
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Nassau, a leading handwriting expert.
She will perform a forensic analysis on
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the document to determine if it's
genuine or a forgery, and also whether
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Marcel wrote it himself.
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I understand you worked for the Secret
Service.
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I did. I completed my training.
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with the Secret Service and worked there
for a number of years.
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I used to work for the CIA, so we have a
little bit of, like, USG connection
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going on.
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My name is Jennifer Nassau.
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I'm a forensic document examiner, and
what I do is I receive documents that
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in question, and I analyze them to
determine their authenticity.
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At the Secret Service, I authenticated a
lot of the threat letters that came in.
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We also did a lot of work with documents
that were false and forged.
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I do have a very interesting document
that I need your help authenticating. A
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document belonging to the first guy on
the scene of the alleged Roswell
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in 1947.
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Okay. A man named Jesse Marcel, Sr. This
could potentially hold Marcel's private
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thoughts about the incident that July,
about the crash, about the materials,
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about the potential cover -up.
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So I need to determine that this is not,
in fact, a forgery.
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If the journal was written by Jesse
Marcel in 1947, could it hold the key to
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unlocking the mystery of Roswell?
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I do have a very interesting document
that I need your help authenticating.
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Former CIA operative Ben Smith.
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has brought Jesse Marcel's mysterious
journal to a forensic document examiner
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for testing.
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This could potentially hold Marcel's
private thoughts about the incident that
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July. Marcel was the first investigator
at the Roswell crack site.
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While the U .S. Army claimed the
wreckage was from a weather balloon,
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family alleges something different, that
the journal may hold coded clues about
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what really happened.
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I would like to believe the journal is
going to give us the truths we've been
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looking for for the last 70 years.
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So I see most of the document is written
in a cursive writing.
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And then when you get to the end, it
changes to a print writing.
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Yeah. It may be an indication that there
were two different writers in this
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journal. That I would have to do a more
thorough examination in order to
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determine.
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It's important to authenticate
historical documents because it can turn
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tables in terms of what we know versus
what we thought we knew. The date of the
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document is important to note because
what I'm going to do is static dating.
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know the introduction dates of certain
elements of the paper or the ink. We can
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see whether or not they were available
during the time that this document was
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reportedly produced.
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Some of the dates in the journal itself
range from 1946 to 1948 and 49.
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So they cover the period of the Roswell
incident.
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But one of my biggest concerns about
this document is forgery. I want to make
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sure that this document is real. What
can you tell me about what you've seen
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forged documents?
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Have you seen forgeries of this length
before?
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I have not, but there is a famous case
where there were several diaries
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purportedly written by Hitler.
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On April 25, 1983, the West German
magazine Stern announced that it was in
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possession of never -before -seen
diaries written by Adolf Hitler that
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rewrite the history of World War II.
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Stern had paid close to $4 million for
the diaries.
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and sold the rights to other major
publications around the world.
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Totaling 60 volumes, the writings were
authenticated by several prominent
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historians.
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But just days before publication, the
diaries were exposed as fakes.
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A forensics analysis by the West German
archives quickly discovered that the
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diaries were made from a kind of paper
and ink that wasn't even invented until
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after World War II.
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Their author was a prolific East German
forger named Konrad Kujau, who wrote out
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his own confession in the style of
Hitler's penmanship.
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00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,660
The way that they ended up determining
that they were fraudulent is because the
460
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:50,080
paper contains optical brighteners that
were not available until after Hitler's
461
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,820
death. Interesting. You know, there's
always conspiracy in every corner that I
462
00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:56,420
look. How long do you think it will
take?
463
00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:59,460
Usually it takes a few weeks. Oh, it
does.
464
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,920
Okay. Especially something of this
magnitude.
465
00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:09,340
While Jennifer Nassau performs a
forensic analysis of the journal, Smith
466
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:13,600
team of archaeologists and geophysicists
to meet him at the debris field.
467
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,560
He hopes state -of -the -art technology
will find signs that something more
468
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,440
powerful than a balloon crashed here.
469
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,640
Even 70 years later, if we can find
evidence that what crashed here was not
470
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160
balloon, it could prove that Jesse
Marcel was telling the truth, that
471
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,240
crashed here was not of this world.
472
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,480
According to author Kevin Randall, the
weather balloon explanation put forward
473
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,860
by the military at that 1947 press
conference blindsided not only Jesse
474
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160
but also Mack Brazel, the rancher who
found the ranch.
475
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:50,020
General Ramey, of course, trotted it
out. It's a weather balloon.
476
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,040
The problem with that is Mack Brazel
knew what weather balloons looked like.
477
00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:58,980
This is Bill Brazel's memory of how his
dad reacted.
478
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,140
He said that's what the Air Force tried
to make him believe, that it was a
479
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:04,919
weather balloon.
480
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,620
He said, Bill, he said it was not a
weather balloon. He said, I don't know
481
00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:09,620
it was.
482
00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:11,980
But he said it was something.
483
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:14,639
All together different.
484
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,260
And much bigger.
485
00:34:18,219 --> 00:34:24,120
In this 1991 interview, Judd Roberts,
manager of Roswell's local radio station
486
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,380
KGFL, says that local residents were
very familiar with the military's
487
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:34,780
balloons. What was the general reaction
to the weather balloon story?
488
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,280
Well, the weather balloons were being
launched about a block from us every
489
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,280
night.
490
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,739
So weather balloons, per se, were not
that interesting to us.
491
00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:51,020
If local residents were indeed familiar
with weather balloons, is it likely
492
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:57,100
Jesse Marcel, an intelligence officer,
could have mistaken a balloon for a
493
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,380
flying saucer? It was definitely not a
weather balloon.
494
00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:01,380
And it was an aircraft.
495
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,460
So what it could have been, I wouldn't
know.
496
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,320
She mentioned Roswell. In most places
these days, people bring up UFOs. It's a
497
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:23,080
question, a story, a myth that is known
practically worldwide.
498
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Yeah. Smith has asked Bill Dolman to
join the team of experts at the debris
499
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,500
field. Dolman is the former principal
investigator for the University of New
500
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,760
Mexico's Office of Contract Archaeology.
501
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:41,220
Of all the disputed locations, this is
the one that is least disputed.
502
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,500
You're the only one who's actually done
a dig out there. And you've done two of
503
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:46,500
them. Two.
504
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:53,540
Dolman made two previous expeditions to
the debris field in 2002 and 2006.
505
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:57,540
But he's hopeful that using new
technology might uncover fresh evidence.
506
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:03,820
Bringing archaeological skills to a
potential debris site, I'm hoping that
507
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:05,740
can turn up some fresh new.
508
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,380
So what hit the debris field?
509
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:13,500
There are a lot of conflicting counts.
510
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,100
A craft and just debris.
511
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,080
Some people saw a meteor -like object.
512
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,460
What do you recommend we do first? Start
with the archaeology dig or deploy the
513
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:25,660
drone technology?
514
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:31,160
We definitely deploy the drone
technology because the archaeology comes
515
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,140
they identify anomalies.
516
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:37,750
that we can then go investigate using
our standard archaeological methods.
517
00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:43,990
There isn't a U .S. government map with
this mark, but I actually happen to have
518
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:47,270
a journal that belongs to Jesse Marcel
Sr.
519
00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:50,930
And Jesse was an intelligence officer.
He was a smart guy.
520
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:56,110
It's possible that he could have hidden
some of what he knew in this journal.
521
00:36:56,530 --> 00:37:01,070
I would like to determine, one way or
the other, if there was any evidence of
522
00:37:01,070 --> 00:37:02,049
cover -up.
523
00:37:02,050 --> 00:37:06,180
If... There was a debris site or an
impact site, and it was removed and then
524
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,860
leveled over. We might be able to see
something like that.
525
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:14,600
I am finally back at the Roswell debris
field.
526
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:21,640
It's kind of hard to believe that a
place this abandoned and quiet could be
527
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,460
the birthplace of ufology in the United
States or in the world, actually.
528
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,880
The term ufology refers to the study of
UFOs, and for some, Roswell is the most
529
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,300
important UFO, because it is the site
where an alien spaceship allegedly
530
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:39,300
to Earth.
531
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,380
With Roswell, you have the best elements
of all UFO cases.
532
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:51,620
Crash sites, physical bodies recovered,
and then all the eyewitness testimony on
533
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:52,620
top of that.
534
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,280
It's just this big mystery. Did it
happen? What was it?
535
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,300
That's still not solved.
536
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:03,040
It's hard to write it off. And so you're
left with this big question about
537
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,780
something of incredible potential
significance.
538
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,400
This is the famous Backhoe Trench 103.
539
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:18,840
So this would be what ufologists
consider the actual furrow in the ground
540
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,740
where some kind of craft made contact
with the Earth.
541
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:24,320
You were here in 2002.
542
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:31,880
conducting an archaeological dig here,
right in this furrow. Yeah, and the
543
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,100
furrow runs that way, supposedly.
544
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,480
There are nails, big nails and rebar
spikes in the ground, marking the grid
545
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,880
system that we used for locational
control in 2002.
546
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,220
Archaeologists are the crime scene
investigators of the past.
547
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,060
We treat archaeological sites just the
way a CSI treats a crime scene, to use
548
00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:55,260
our methods to look for the evidence of
it.
549
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,800
122 .8.
550
00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:05,940
Those methods are about to get a serious
upgrade.
551
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:11,820
Joining the team are two Canadian
geophysicists, Colin Myasga and Eric
552
00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:16,460
who will deploy 21st century technology
to investigate abnormalities in the
553
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:17,460
terrain.
554
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:26,560
So density altitude 6 ,770 feet.
555
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,580
This may be the best equipped team ever
to answer the question that has stumped
556
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:34,900
generations of investigators.
557
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:38,780
What kind of airborne vehicle crashed
outside of Roswell?
558
00:39:42,140 --> 00:39:46,780
I'd like to find additional proof of
that impact zone. What crashed here and
559
00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:48,300
heavy was it at what velocity?
560
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:54,260
At the Roswell crash site, Ben Smith and
a team of experts are using state -of
561
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:58,160
-the -art equipment to find possible
evidence that Jesse Marcel...
562
00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:02,790
may have been telling the truth that
what crash landed here was no weather
563
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:07,350
balloon. It makes the most sense to
start here and then widen the search
564
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:08,350
there.
565
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:14,190
One curious aspect is that weeks before
that early July day, when Marcel found
566
00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:18,870
what he believed was the wreckage of a
flying saucer, there were a huge number
567
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:21,130
of headline -making UFO sightings in the
area.
568
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:30,520
At the local radio station, Judd Roberts
remembers fielding dozens of callers
569
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:36,100
reporting UFOs. And people that I knew
who were highly respectable who saw some
570
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:43,000
of these things, and they had no reason
to kid anybody about
571
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,460
standing on the side of their pickup and
watching these lights go back and forth
572
00:40:46,460 --> 00:40:47,460
up in the middle.
573
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:55,720
Dad looked up in the west and saw an
object that came down and had lights
574
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:56,720
blinking.
575
00:40:57,610 --> 00:40:59,790
It was rather frightening to him.
576
00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:06,150
In 1947, Paul Wilmont's elderly parents
were sitting on their porch when they
577
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:08,490
were sure they saw a flying saucer.
578
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:12,730
He said all of a sudden it seemed to
rock a little bit and sort of
579
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:17,470
counterbalanced itself, wiggle a little
bit, and then seemed to settle down and
580
00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:19,730
take off at a rapid rate of speed.
581
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:25,310
Then came Roswell, the event that would
become the holy grail of ufology.
582
00:41:25,850 --> 00:41:29,610
a discovery that would be proof for many
that aliens had visited the Earth.
583
00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:33,790
In truth, there is no agreement on what
day the crash occurred.
584
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:37,870
UFO investigator Don Schmidt believes it
was July 2nd.
585
00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:44,830
On the late evening of July 2nd, 1947,
there was a severe lightning storm in
586
00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:46,930
central high desert of Lincoln County.
587
00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:51,060
All ranchers go out on the porch to see
where it's raining.
588
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:55,520
My husband, he had to stand out there
and see where it was raining.
589
00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:01,660
There was so much thunder and lightning
that I
590
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:06,020
begged him to come in the house and
finally there was this terrible thunder
591
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:09,660
clap. And he came in and he says, boy,
that hit something.
592
00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:15,240
People think about desert as just pure
dry, and most of the time it is. But
593
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:19,430
that moisture starts creeping in, All it
needs is something to lift it, and
594
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:22,110
that's going to give you incredible
thunderstorms.
595
00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:29,970
Witnesses described not only the storm,
but between the thunderclaps, they heard
596
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:35,470
what sounded like an explosion, and then
seeing something in the northern
597
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:37,030
portion of the sky.
598
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:44,510
A large, red, pulsating light came
directly at us, and all I could think
599
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,440
was that it was a plane that was in
trouble.
600
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,960
While there is no definitive proof about
what crashed in the field 75 miles west
601
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,880
of Roswell, no one disputes that it was
rancher Mack Brazel who made the first
602
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,240
discovery while taking his sheep to
pasture.
603
00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:14,710
Ranching in New Mexico would be very
focused on the monsoon season. And so a
604
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:18,110
rancher, they'd be watching for those
storms and watching where the rain
605
00:43:18,110 --> 00:43:22,250
come down because their cattle or
whatever they're raising needs water.
606
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:28,930
There was a young boy who was with Matt
Brazel, the son of Floyd and Loretta
607
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:31,750
Proctor. His name was Timothy D.
608
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:34,730
Proctor, D as he was called.
609
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,660
Mack happened to stumble upon this huge
debris field, strange, unusual
610
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:45,700
wreckage.
611
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:52,940
Mack had found a huge field filled with
metallic debris, and he was annoyed
612
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:56,880
because, A, he didn't know who was going
to clean it up, and, B, he had to drive
613
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,620
the sheep around it to get them to
water.
614
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:05,160
They would not cross it. They were
either spooked or they sensed something
615
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,900
coming from the wreckage.
616
00:44:11,370 --> 00:44:17,990
Mack then takes the proctor back to his
parents, and he presents some of the
617
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:19,570
material to the proctors.
618
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:28,070
He showed us this piece that looked like
plastic or wood of some kind, and he
619
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:34,510
said that there was some metallic
-looking stuff that when you crushed it,
620
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:37,810
just straightened right back out. It
wouldn't, you know, wouldn't stay
621
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,400
According to Roswell author and
researcher Don Smith, Loretta Proctor
622
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,540
first person to see samples of the
debris that Mack Brazel brought back
623
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:48,540
field.
624
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:53,640
Well, we told him it was probably a UFO
and he should report it.
625
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:58,080
Mack Brazel was convinced by his
neighbor that he should take it into
626
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:04,420
Mack would take samples of the debris to
Wade's Bar in Corona.
627
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,300
and present pieces there to fellow
ranchers, his friends, his neighbors.
628
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,580
The small farming community of Corona
was only 15 miles from the debris field.
629
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:19,840
It would be Mack Brazel's first stop
before going on to Roswell.
630
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,220
Mack Brazel came to Corona and talked to
my dad about the debris that he had
631
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:28,680
found out on the Foster Ranch.
632
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:33,000
The material was as thin as a wrapper on
a...
633
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,980
Lucky strike package, but you couldn't
break it.
634
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,720
And if you twisted it and scrunched it
up together, it would come back to its
635
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,040
own. He had no idea what it was.
636
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:49,860
And they said, I bet you have one of
them UFOs we've been reading about.
637
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:55,340
Mack Brazel was convinced by his
neighbor that he should take it into
638
00:45:55,340 --> 00:45:56,400
and show it to the sheriff.
639
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,540
But Brazel is still responsible for the
ranch.
640
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:09,450
And it isn't until the end of the week,
Sunday, his day off, that he finally
641
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:16,050
makes the trek, the 75 -mile drive into
Roswell to present it to the sheriff,
642
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:17,430
George Wilcox.
643
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:21,870
Lieutenant George Wilcox had been the
county sheriff for 20 years.
644
00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:26,410
Most of his work involved locking up
drunks and settling disputes between
645
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:28,790
ranchers over livestock and grazing
rights.
646
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:37,460
Mack Brazel brought in two boxes of
wreckage. Sheriff George Wilcox
647
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:40,500
handled and observed the material
firsthand.
648
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:47,960
The sheriff immediately suggested that
Mack Brazel would report this to the
649
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:53,580
Roswell Army Airfield, the 509th Bomb
Group. It sounds like a matter they need
650
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:55,500
to know about most urgently.
651
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,620
It was that call to the 509th.
652
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,820
that led its commander to dispatch Jesse
Marcel, his intelligence officer, to
653
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:06,260
investigate the strange report.
654
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,960
I had never seen anything like that
before, and as of now, I don't know what
655
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,680
was. When Marcel returned to the air
base and showed colleagues pieces of the
656
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,680
debris he'd collected, Base Commander
William Blanchard made the decision to
657
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,160
public and issue that famous press
release.
658
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:29,110
Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New
Mexico suggested that the widely
659
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:32,150
publicized mystery of the flying saucers
may soon be solved.
660
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:37,090
With the story of the flying disc making
international news, Mack Brazel didn't
661
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:40,110
see any harm in being interviewed by the
local radio station.
662
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:48,190
That morning, reporters from KGFL in
Roswell brought Mack Brazel over to the
663
00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:53,210
radio station to finally, you know, tell
the world the truth about what had
664
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:56,040
happened. And the military was waiting
for him.
665
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,180
They nabbed Razzle, and they would then
hide him out at the base for the next
666
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:04,160
five full days.
667
00:48:06,020 --> 00:48:10,620
He would later complain he felt like he
was in jail, that they had asked him the
668
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:17,180
same questions over and over and over
again, 24 hours around the clock, over a
669
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:18,180
weather balloon.
670
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:24,220
According to alleged eyewitness
accounts, in the days that followed, The
671
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:27,880
military swept through Roswell and
Corona, threatening scores of
672
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,360
who'd heard Brazel's story.
673
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:34,540
These local residents were warned to
keep quiet or they could be charged with
674
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:36,940
treason, which carried the death
penalty.
675
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:43,740
The whole neighborhood was scandalized
that the Army, that the services would
676
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:45,180
treat people like that.
677
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:51,220
The military reportedly used Brazel to
walk back the previous day's front page
678
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:53,590
story. that a flying saucer had crashed.
679
00:48:55,010 --> 00:49:01,470
Days later, Brazel was escorted by the
military, taken to the newspapers, taken
680
00:49:01,470 --> 00:49:07,810
to the two radio stations, but
specifically KGFL, where Frank Joyce,
681
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:14,570
reporter, meets Mack Brazel. And to his
dismay, Brazel only describes a weather
682
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:15,549
balloon.
683
00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:20,750
Joyce sees the two MPs and is like, oh,
now I see what's happening.
684
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,700
Agents or agencies or people unknown
wanted him to change off of the original
685
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:27,700
story.
686
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,900
And in his total frustration, Joyce
takes him off the air.
687
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:40,900
I said, the little green men, and that's
where he said, yeah, only they weren't
688
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:41,900
green.
689
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,540
At the Roswell crash site.
690
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,780
Smith is with a team of experts,
searching for evidence of the wreckage
691
00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:54,820
here in 1947.
692
00:49:55,740 --> 00:50:01,380
The best plan for us would be to start
getting our multispect data going at the
693
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:06,780
area. We can cover a broad area, get the
highest resolution, most up -to -date
694
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:07,780
aerial imagery.
695
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,340
We also have the multispectral camera.
Oh, cool.
696
00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:14,580
So you can do both at once. Yeah. In one
flight, we're getting multispectral
697
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:17,160
imagery and regular RGB.
698
00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:20,590
Until now, no one has ever used this
technology here.
699
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:24,950
Whatever we find, we'll know more about
this place than anyone ever has.
700
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:29,710
We want to look for unnatural features.
We want to look for straight lines and
701
00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:32,710
that impact and then that skid mark kind
of thing.
702
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:38,490
So the commonly thought spot is just
down in this area.
703
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:43,990
Archaeologist Bill Dolman gives the
geophysicists some never -before -seen
704
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:44,990
images of the area.
705
00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:50,030
By comparing an aerial photograph of the
terrain taken just months before the
706
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:55,490
Roswell incident to one taken seven
years later, the team can identify
707
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:56,490
changes.
708
00:50:57,270 --> 00:51:03,650
Look at that. Wow, that is... Here's the
original location of interest, and then
709
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:08,170
there's that big linear feature that
we're interested in.
710
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:16,640
Just 800 meters from where Jesse Marcel
examined the debris, The 1954 photo
711
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,420
shows what could be several long furrows
carved into the earth.
712
00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:28,460
There are delineations in the soil from
a northwestern to a southeastern
713
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:33,100
direction that match witness
descriptions of something falling from
714
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,320
hitting the earth, skipping and
scattering debris.
715
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,940
That's what we see in the aerial
footage.
716
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,000
I want to throw everything we've got now
at that new site. I mean, what can we
717
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,470
bring? to exploit the linear features
here. Well, we'll send the drone over
718
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:51,448
there for sure.
719
00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:55,230
If the team can show something with more
force and velocity than a weather
720
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:57,930
balloon hit here, it would be a major
discovery.
721
00:52:02,490 --> 00:52:06,590
Anytime there's differences in soil,
different vegetation can arise.
722
00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:10,730
And if there's something that doesn't
look natural in the vegetation that we
723
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:13,270
pick up in the multispectral, we'll see
that very well.
724
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:17,680
So the drone is going back and forth,
taking thousands of photos. Oh, cool.
725
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Across parallel lines across the whole
site. Yeah.
726
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:31,280
So here we have the aerial photography
collected by the drone. Yeah. Along the
727
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,280
entire site.
728
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,680
Yeah. Then we can turn on the
multispectral imaging.
729
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:39,800
So we have the red are little to no
vegetation.
730
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,160
Uh -huh. Blue is going to be...
731
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,480
kind of dense vegetation and kind of
everything in between.
732
00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:50,220
But after hours of searching, the team
gets disappointing news.
733
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:56,840
At the moment, we're not picking up any
distinct feature near the furrow.
734
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,520
So the multispectral imaging didn't
really show any anomalies other than
735
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,020
trenches that we've already dug. Yeah,
nothing that can't be unexplained at the
736
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:10,700
moment. Yeah. The team concludes the
archival image had a defect.
737
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:15,300
What else can we throw at that puzzle to
figure out what happened?
738
00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:18,160
Really, what we have right now is
surface information.
739
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,380
So we need to get boots on the ground,
get subsurface information.
740
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:28,320
Next, Colin Myasga will use a
magnetometer, a tool that can detect
741
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,360
the Earth's magnetic field.
742
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:36,320
So something really hot hit the Earth
and heated up the surrounding soil.
743
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,100
It basically hits the reset button on
the Earth's magnetic field.
744
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,460
of that soil and it'll take on the
earth's magnetic field at the time as it
745
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:46,460
cools back down.
746
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,780
So this thing's going to pick up
anything with iron, magnetite.
747
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,060
And then what else do you have left in
your toolbox?
748
00:53:53,320 --> 00:54:00,000
We've got the ground penetrating radar
and the gamma ray spectrometer to
749
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,720
for radioactive material.
750
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,200
So anything that's been in really high
altitude or space is going to be exposed
751
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,200
to a lot more radiation.
752
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:13,090
That radiation is going to stay with
that material, and then it's going to
753
00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:16,170
a strong signature when it hits the
ground. It's going to stay there
754
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:31,350
Colin hopes to pick up a strong magnetic
signal in the vicinity where rancher
755
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:33,570
Mack Brazel first came across the
debris.
756
00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:38,590
It's enough metal.
757
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:40,940
to basically max out the sensor.
758
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,040
We did find an interesting anomaly.
759
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:47,520
As we were walking around, I was doing
the magnetometer survey.
760
00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:51,160
So now this is the magnetometer. You see
all these high spots?
761
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,540
Those are all the metal pins in the
ground. They're really, really high
762
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:57,660
responses. The most interesting thing
was something up here.
763
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:01,020
Definitely an interesting magnetic
anomaly that I want to investigate.
764
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,540
So could this be one of those instances
where the heat of an impact could...
765
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,700
Change the magnetism of the soil around
it or beneath it? Potentially, yeah,
766
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:12,780
absolutely.
767
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,940
Many hours into their search, Colin
finds something exciting.
768
00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:21,320
A patch of ground with unusually high
magnetic readings.
769
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:26,460
It's an anomaly that could provide
groundbreaking new evidence of what
770
00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:29,680
here. So given its possible depth, is
that...
771
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,820
ages out of our 70 -year time span?
772
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:35,880
I won't be able to say until we start
digging, and I'm going to leave that to
773
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,140
the archaeologists to start dating as
they dig down.
774
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,880
So this was one of the high points,
hovering between 10, 15 nanoteslas per
775
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,880
meter.
776
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,480
Colin marks the perimeter of the anomaly
so that archaeologist Esperanza Juarez
777
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,200
can collect soil samples to analyze for
radiation traces.
778
00:55:56,970 --> 00:56:03,310
Run your line along the major axis,
definitely hitting right over top of
779
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:09,250
spot. So the flag here outlines the
general shape of the anomaly?
780
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:15,750
Exactly. And, I don't know, conveniently
enough, it's the same orientation as
781
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:20,790
Bill's original furrow. If we keep the
UFO crash site in mind, it's like
782
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:22,250
something hit here.
783
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,540
Maybe there was slightly more minerals
that could become magnetized in this
784
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:31,660
area, and then as it kind of skidded, it
still was hot enough to cause that
785
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:36,820
magnetization, but maybe there's just
slightly less particles in that spot, so
786
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:37,940
there's a slightly weaker signature.
787
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:45,820
After stringing a grid across the site
of the anomaly, Esperanza begins her
788
00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:50,900
work, collecting a range of samples and
documenting the location of each.
789
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,520
The strongest signature was over in this
square right here? Yes. Okay.
790
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,660
And then plus I've also taken a soil
sample.
791
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,680
The team wants to rule out routine
earthly causes for the anomaly.
792
00:57:05,580 --> 00:57:11,660
No clear signs of a campfire or like a
prehistoric site or anything like that?
793
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,860
No. Yeah. So we've eliminated a volcanic
anomaly.
794
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:18,600
That's right. There's just no volcanic.
795
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:21,860
We've eliminated a campfire anomaly.
Yes, there's no fire heart.
796
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,760
So we're still looking at that. The most
likely candidate for this anomaly right
797
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,880
now is the remnant magnetization due to
heat. The soil will be able to tell you
798
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,960
the time frame.
799
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,480
So the idea is that we test the soil,
and if the magnetism of that soil
800
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:46,600
1947, then we know that something
potentially in impact froze its
801
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,600
1947.
802
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:54,750
The soil and rock samples will be sent
to a lab where they will be analyzed to
803
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:59,690
see if they contain metals not from this
area and possibly not from this world.
804
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:13,530
While he waits for the soil analysis to
be completed, Ben goes to visit the
805
00:58:13,530 --> 00:58:17,770
grandson of Mack Brazel, the rancher who
took his sheep into the field looking
806
00:58:17,770 --> 00:58:19,750
for water but found crash debris.
807
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,240
It was Mack who alerted the military,
and according to local legend, was then
808
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,360
detained and threatened to keep quiet.
809
00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:33,840
Joe Brazel lives a few miles outside of
Roswell and has avoided journalists and
810
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:34,840
researchers for years.
811
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:40,920
With no proof about what crashed,
spaceship, weather balloon, or something
812
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:45,940
Ben believes Joe might have a piece of
the puzzle that could help unravel the
813
00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:47,180
mystery of Roswell.
814
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:51,790
taking the time to meet with me.
815
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:58,310
Joe rarely talks about how the Roswell
incident impacted his family, but he's
816
00:58:58,310 --> 00:58:59,310
agreed to meet me.
817
00:58:59,350 --> 00:59:04,090
The Roswell incident recently has popped
up in my research as one of the more
818
00:59:04,090 --> 00:59:06,230
credible phenomenon to investigate.
819
00:59:06,490 --> 00:59:12,990
And in particular, the first people to
encounter the debris on the field, your
820
00:59:12,990 --> 00:59:15,810
grandfather, Mac, being the...
821
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:22,560
You know, patient zero, the first person
to encounter this debris, makes people
822
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,000
close to him especially important to the
investigation.
823
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,200
And I would love to hear about some of
the details you inherited from your
824
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,860
father and from your grandfather, Mac.
825
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:36,100
Well, everything I heard was from my
dad.
826
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,100
Okay. You know, he told me what he knew
and what he experienced with it.
827
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:47,210
And then, you know, what had Mack, you
know, the few things that he said after
828
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:48,490
he came back from Roswell.
829
00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:53,790
I think if you really want to hear what
my dad had to say, you know, we have a
830
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,290
clip that you can watch, you know, and
then we can talk a little bit more about
831
00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:59,570
it after that. Yeah, absolutely. I'd
love to hear.
832
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:06,110
Joe Brazel's dad, Bill, was Mack's son.
833
01:00:06,550 --> 01:00:09,690
He was interviewed in 1989 by Japanese
television.
834
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,880
I was not out at the ranch at the time,
and I picked up an Albuquerque paper,
835
01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:21,720
and here's my dad's picture looking at
me, and I thought, well, I wonder what
836
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,720
he's done now.
837
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:28,960
My dad was living in Albuquerque, and
once he found out about it, well, he
838
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,960
to the ranch because he knew that his
dad was gone, and he went down there to
839
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,260
actually take care of the stock, and the
Army had it blocked off.
840
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,960
They had a detachment out there picking
up the pieces and everything, and
841
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,960
wouldn't let him in.
842
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,260
The Air Force had asked him to stay in
Roswell.
843
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:51,860
And I went out to the ranch and stayed
until he got back.
844
01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:58,940
And I asked him what he'd got into, and,
845
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:02,520
oh, he says, I found a bunch of trash.
846
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:11,490
And I kept asking him questions, and he
said, well, he said, I told the Air
847
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:12,790
Force I wouldn't tell anybody.
848
01:01:13,230 --> 01:01:15,130
He said, you're probably better off
without knowing.
849
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:22,030
After the Army did their thing and, you
know, Dad was down there helping Mac on
850
01:01:22,030 --> 01:01:26,610
the ranch, you know, rainstorms or
whatever they'd be riding, they'd see a
851
01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:27,870
little piece and he'd pick it up.
852
01:01:28,450 --> 01:01:32,610
So, and of course, riding horseback, you
see lots of things, you know.
853
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:34,850
And I picked up a few scraps.
854
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:55,120
His description of some of this stuff is
like tinfoil, but it was, you know,
855
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,500
just a lot tougher.
856
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,900
This is the way my dad put it to me.
857
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,640
It's material that he never saw before
or ever saw again.
858
01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:15,840
Bill Brazel's decision to collect his
own souvenirs eventually brought the
859
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,000
military to his door, just as it had
with his father.
860
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,560
The debris was confiscated, and military
police told him to keep quiet about
861
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,320
what he knew and had seen, or he would
face arrest.
862
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:33,160
The debris that he had collected was
confiscated by the...
863
01:02:33,930 --> 01:02:38,330
by the military police or somebody from
the base. He just said two guys in a
864
01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:39,770
car. Two guys in a car.
865
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:44,150
That's all he ever told me. He didn't
say whether they were government. He
866
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:48,730
said that there was two guys that showed
up in a car and they said they weren't
867
01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:51,870
going to take it, but they weren't
leaving without it. Did they ever
868
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:52,870
themselves? No.
869
01:02:53,950 --> 01:02:59,650
You know, and the other thing you've got
to understand is that Mac gave his word
870
01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:00,790
he wouldn't talk about it.
871
01:03:01,630 --> 01:03:06,710
And his dad, if he gave his word, that
kind of extended to him as well. Right.
872
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:15,090
I don't mean to misinterpret your
father's claims, but I did want to ask,
873
01:03:15,090 --> 01:03:18,430
there anything ever in your life that
would make you question what your dad
874
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:24,350
No. Nothing about his character, nothing
about his mental stability or his
875
01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:25,610
emotions? No.
876
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:29,630
Okay. I like to explain my dad this way
and myself.
877
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:32,020
What you see is what you get.
878
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:38,140
He's not going to tell you something to
your face that isn't true or, you know,
879
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,580
tell you something and then go tell
somebody else something else. Right.
880
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:48,580
Yeah. There's a rumored intelligence, as
we say in the business, that Mac or
881
01:03:48,580 --> 01:03:52,020
your Bill, your dad, hid some of the
material on their property.
882
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,360
And some might even claim here on this
property.
883
01:03:57,290 --> 01:04:00,650
One of the most persistent rumors about
Joe's father is that despite
884
01:04:00,650 --> 01:04:04,790
surrendering the cigar box, he managed
to hide a few shards of the wreckage
885
01:04:04,790 --> 01:04:06,290
somewhere on this property.
886
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:11,950
To just get a little more specific, I
think there was a claim at one point
887
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:17,990
there was perhaps some debris buried
under a cement slab on the old Brazel
888
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:18,990
property. Yeah.
889
01:04:19,350 --> 01:04:22,730
And I wanted to know, is there any truth
to that story?
890
01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:25,350
Why don't I just show you where that
slab is?
891
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:26,670
Lead the way.
892
01:04:27,070 --> 01:04:31,110
If Joe still has a piece of what he
believes his dad took from the debris
893
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:33,510
it could be a bombshell development.
894
01:04:33,850 --> 01:04:36,710
They hid it underneath this house, right
here.
895
01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:45,470
Investigator Ben Smith is meeting with
Joe Brazel, the reclusive grandson of
896
01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:50,070
Mack Brazel, the rancher who first
stumbled upon the mysterious crash
897
01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:54,710
Roswell, but never spoke publicly about
how the Army threatened him into
898
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:59,260
silence. He said he gave his word that
he wouldn't talk about it, and he said
899
01:04:59,260 --> 01:05:00,800
very little about it after that.
900
01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:06,800
Jesse Marcel also never disclosed
everything he'd seen or the full story
901
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,360
cover -up. They hid it underneath this
house.
902
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:15,920
Meanwhile, back in New York, handwriting
expert Jennifer Nasso is doing a test
903
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,080
to try and authenticate the journal that
belonged to Marcel and could contain
904
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,040
the secrets of Roswell.
905
01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:29,040
This is the journal I was given as a
question document to compare the
906
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,600
handwriting of Jesse Marcel.
907
01:05:30,860 --> 01:05:35,560
But it's not just handwriting. I'm
looking at a lot of elements to help try
908
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,600
solve this puzzle.
909
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,240
The first thing I do is I look at the
paper.
910
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:47,360
I use specialized equipment in order to
analyze what might be in the paper, and
911
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,220
that might help to date the document.
912
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,400
I then look under my microscope.
913
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,160
and determine what type of writing
instrument was used to create this
914
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,880
In order to conduct a handwriting
analysis, I do a side -by -side
915
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,840
between the question and the known, in
this particular case, Jesse Marcel, and
916
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,320
determine whether or not there are
similarities or differences.
917
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:16,780
For example, the formation of the
lowercase p had a very tall introduction
918
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:21,440
stroke, which dropped down below the
baseline and then wrapped around to form
919
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,440
the bowl of the p.
920
01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:28,130
And that P is found throughout the
entirety of the question document.
921
01:06:29,350 --> 01:06:33,530
Jennifer Nasso is trying to determine
whether the journal is genuine or fake.
922
01:06:33,830 --> 01:06:38,970
The first step before decoding its
meaning to learn if it might change what
923
01:06:38,970 --> 01:06:39,970
know about Roswell.
924
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:44,050
Back in New Mexico.
925
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:46,770
So tell me a little bit more about this
house here.
926
01:06:47,030 --> 01:06:52,110
This house was built in 1902, so it's
kind of in rough shape.
927
01:06:52,430 --> 01:06:55,850
Smith has reached what he hopes will be
the most interesting part of his visit.
928
01:06:56,030 --> 01:06:59,830
I asked Joe about the rumor that there
might still be some debris hidden on his
929
01:06:59,830 --> 01:07:05,630
property. The story goes that Bill
Brazel, Joe's dad, might have kept some
930
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:07,050
the debris as souvenirs.
931
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:11,150
Some researchers have claimed that your
father or Mac might have buried
932
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:13,410
something or hidden it under a cement
slab.
933
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:18,610
Yeah. Well, I can show you right here.
This is where the rumor was that this
934
01:07:18,610 --> 01:07:21,030
house, they hid it underneath this
house.
935
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,860
And as you can see right here, there is
no foundation.
936
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,240
There is no cement slab under this
house.
937
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:35,380
Yeah, looks like dirt under there. It
is. In fact, when this house was first
938
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:42,220
built, of course they put the hardwood
floors in, but this is built on the
939
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:48,520
dirt. The only slab that was ever put in
this house as far as this.
940
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:53,680
rock slab right here for the old
fireplace.
941
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,260
Yeah. That's it.
942
01:07:55,580 --> 01:08:00,480
And there's nothing under there. That's
on dirt. It's been there since 1902,
943
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:02,800
long before the UFO.
944
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:07,200
Yeah. I could put the rumor to rest that
there's nothing underneath the cement
945
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,980
slab here because there is no cement
slab.
946
01:08:12,620 --> 01:08:14,680
There's no truth to that rumor
whatsoever.
947
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,680
When they took that cigar box he had,
they took everything he had.
948
01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:23,890
I guarantee you if there had been
something buried underneath this house,
949
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:25,410
would have dug it up a long time ago.
950
01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:31,069
How do you think the rumor about debris
hidden under this cement slab that is
951
01:08:31,069 --> 01:08:35,050
not here sort of impacted the way your
dad approached this story?
952
01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:39,890
What it did was it put a fear into him
that, you know, something might happen
953
01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:40,890
one of his family members.
954
01:08:41,149 --> 01:08:45,910
Yeah. Because they, you know, they focus
on the monetary and think he has a
955
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:47,750
piece of it and it's worth so much
money.
956
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:54,300
Right. So he got real reluctant about
talking about it, and therefore you
957
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:58,740
really get at the truth because you're
always trying to fight and debunk the
958
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:01,460
rumors. You've confirmed a lot of things
for me that I think is pretty
959
01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:06,399
fascinating. One, the integrity and the
quality of the person that your father
960
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,220
and your grandfather, the people that
they were.
961
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:14,540
And two, that you've confirmed some
things in the timeline for me that make
962
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:16,160
think that it's reasonable for me.
963
01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:19,630
to continue the search, continue to use
resources.
964
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:23,310
Well, something's happened, because
they've spent a lot of money trying to
965
01:09:23,310 --> 01:09:27,270
figure out what happened, and they've
spent a lot of money hiding what really
966
01:09:27,270 --> 01:09:28,269
did happen.
967
01:09:28,270 --> 01:09:32,890
Is there any other information that I
could use to help me in my investigation
968
01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:35,010
to get to that ground -level truth?
969
01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:40,670
There's some other people you can talk
to, but I don't feel comfortable telling
970
01:09:40,670 --> 01:09:41,830
you on camera.
971
01:09:42,130 --> 01:09:44,229
Okay. Would you mind...
972
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,340
type in their names into my phone, so at
least I can... I'll give you one name.
973
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,340
Joe Brazel doesn't have any crash
debris, but he does have something else.
974
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,460
The name of someone Ben Smith has never
heard of. Someone Smith hopes can bring
975
01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:05,960
this investigation closer to the truth.
976
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:19,200
Following up on a promising lead from
Joe Brazel, Ben Smith is on his way to a
977
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,940
senior center in the farming community
closest to where the debris was found.
978
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,800
He hopes the local residents who gather
for lunch every day will have memories
979
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,000
they'd be willing to share.
980
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,020
Well, I've got all the village elders.
981
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,300
around the table here today. I wanted to
learn a little bit more about your
982
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:40,280
perspective on what happened, you know,
in that early July 1947.
983
01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:45,240
My father -in -law, he was on top of a
windmill tower working.
984
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,800
And this was about the same time that
this supposed incident happened.
985
01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:56,440
He said there was something that came at
him out of the sky.
986
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,640
There was really no noise.
987
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:03,780
And he was afraid it was fixing to cut
his head off, so he went running down
988
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:04,780
windmill.
989
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:10,280
And he said it was just a flash. It was
there, and he just liked to never get
990
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:15,440
out of the way quick enough. And then
whenever he looked up, it was going
991
01:11:15,980 --> 01:11:20,260
That's a story that I have not heard in
connection to these events before. It
992
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:24,980
hasn't been out a whole lot, but he's
far behind. And when this man said
993
01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:28,740
something, he was truthful.
994
01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:32,400
I have a lot of questions. There's some
characters here that are involved in
995
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,300
this incident in 1947. Do you remember
Mac Brazel? I'm not sure.
996
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,940
That's the one that told him about the
UFO phone?
997
01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:43,200
I remember Mac. Oh, you do? Yeah. Can
you tell me what you remember about Mac?
998
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:44,340
He was a cowboy.
999
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,200
Mac had a reputation for being honest.
1000
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,180
He had a reputation for working hard.
1001
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,620
He just was a hardworking cowboy.
1002
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,600
Cheryl Perkins' parents.
1003
01:11:57,100 --> 01:12:00,900
owned the drugstore from which Mack
Brazel called the sheriff to report
1004
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:03,800
some strange crash debris in his grazing
fields.
1005
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,960
Mack Brazel goes to the Dubois Pharmacy,
and he makes the phone call with your
1006
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,620
mother, Geraldine.
1007
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:17,100
Mack calls the sheriff, and from there,
that's really the first time that
1008
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,460
information gets transmitted to the
public.
1009
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,840
I'm curious whether you overheard any of
these details and what you recall from
1010
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,420
that whole sequence of events.
1011
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:31,420
But I remember conversations about it,
but probably was not there when that
1012
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:32,219
was made.
1013
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:36,680
Okay. The main thing that I remember my
parents talking about was they certainly
1014
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,140
believed that something happened.
1015
01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:43,660
Do you recall your mother ever talking
to Mack Brazel about what he saw out in
1016
01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:47,700
the field? I think that that did not
happen. Oh, really? It would have been
1017
01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:53,280
natural for him to have followed up
with, yeah, I had to go to Roswell and
1018
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,280
for three nights.
1019
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,780
Or, yeah, I did this. Or, yeah, I did
that.
1020
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:59,620
He didn't say anything.
1021
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:04,860
It just didn't stand to reason that they
wouldn't have talked about it. Right.
1022
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,360
So something happened after they took
him to Roswell.
1023
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,100
My daddy was a World War II veteran.
1024
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:17,400
And when the government says you don't
talk about something, you didn't talk
1025
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,400
about anything.
1026
01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:21,920
And that was my theory as to why they
did.
1027
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,440
It was never talked about. The ethos,
the attitude at the time, like you said,
1028
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,540
was, look, this is your duty not to say
anything and to follow orders, and so
1029
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:33,440
keep your mouth quiet about anything
that might have happened here.
1030
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:36,660
And the general attitude was it was not
a weather balloon.
1031
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:41,260
If there was anything, it wasn't that.
It was not a weather balloon. No, it was
1032
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:42,940
not. And what about the Proctor family?
1033
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:47,120
Well, Dee Proctor was in my class.
1034
01:13:47,340 --> 01:13:50,140
Started first grade together and
graduated from high school together.
1035
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,580
Dee Proctor was the young boy who was
with Mack Brazel when he found the
1036
01:13:55,580 --> 01:14:00,700
wreckage. Brazel would allegedly take
Dee home and show his mother some of
1037
01:14:00,700 --> 01:14:01,700
they found.
1038
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:08,600
There was some metallic -looking stuff
that when you crushed it, it just
1039
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,740
straightened right back out. It
wouldn't, you know, wouldn't stay
1040
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:17,300
Well, we told him it was probably a UFO
and he should report it.
1041
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:20,460
Dee was seven when all of this happened.
1042
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:28,440
And Dee's sister told me for positive
sure that he was with
1043
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:34,340
Mack Brazel. Looking back on it and
knowing for sure that Dee was with Mack,
1044
01:14:34,340 --> 01:14:36,440
never ever talked about it.
1045
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,580
So that makes me think for sure
something happened.
1046
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,720
I do believe that people purposely kept
quiet about what happened because I
1047
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,720
think they were probably threatened by
the government.
1048
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:55,180
Or their sense of patriotic duty was
appealed to and they said, don't say
1049
01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:59,660
anything about this because if it's true
and they were truly aliens, then we
1050
01:14:59,660 --> 01:15:01,920
think everybody is going to panic.
1051
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:10,540
Has anybody that you know personally
ever claimed to have found a piece of
1052
01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:17,380
debris? I do know one name of a man who
supposedly had several pieces
1053
01:15:17,380 --> 01:15:18,920
of debris. Uh -huh.
1054
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:23,220
And I haven't heard his name mentioned
at all today, so I'm not mentioning it
1055
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:24,220
either.
1056
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,560
Why the hesitancy to share with me his
name?
1057
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:29,800
It's privacy.
1058
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:34,940
Yeah. I don't know I can ask if they
would be willing to talk, but I can bet
1059
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:35,940
that they would not.
1060
01:15:35,980 --> 01:15:40,460
Yeah. Well, put in a good word for me. I
will. Just, you know, if you could. I
1061
01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:45,900
will. We're still pretty private about
protecting the people who have been most
1062
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:46,900
affected.
1063
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,400
As I was leaving, one of the seniors
slipped me the name of someone related
1064
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,400
another eyewitness.
1065
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,160
The Roswell incident is like an
intricate puzzle, and I finally feel
1066
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,740
pieces are starting to fall into place.
1067
01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:15,640
Investigator Ben Smith heads to the
office of handwriting expert Jennifer
1068
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,620
who has spent nearly a month.
1069
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:23,100
doing a forensic examination of the
journal to find out if it is genuine or
1070
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:24,100
fake.
1071
01:16:24,380 --> 01:16:29,240
With him is Jesse Marcel's grandson, who
believes the journal may contain the
1072
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,500
intelligence officer's coded secrets
about what really happened at Roswell.
1073
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:40,460
It's fascinating and potentially helpful
to solving, you know, for me, the
1074
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:42,500
larger story about the Roswell incident.
1075
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,000
I just can't imagine he wouldn't leave
some kind of evidence.
1076
01:16:47,890 --> 01:16:52,990
some writings of some kind about what
was a very, very important event.
1077
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:56,970
Right. This might be that piece of the
puzzle.
1078
01:17:02,610 --> 01:17:03,610
Jennifer? Hi.
1079
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:07,770
Hey. Nice to see you again. Good to see
you. This is Jesse. Hi, Jesse. Jennifer
1080
01:17:07,770 --> 01:17:09,150
Natham. I see you. Jennifer Natham, too.
1081
01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:12,270
Follow me. I'll show you what I've been
doing. Great.
1082
01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:16,890
So I looked at the writing.
1083
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,580
ink lines of every passage in the
journal.
1084
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,060
And I'll show you under magnification.
1085
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,240
You can see a little bit better image of
the ink line.
1086
01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:34,280
This is consistent with non -ballpoint
pen ink. Oh, okay. And the way I can
1087
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,160
is you can see the ink line, how the ink
kind of bleeds into the paper fibers.
1088
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:43,020
Sure. Whereas in ballpoint pen, the pen
ink is more viscous. And so it kind of
1089
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,800
sits a little bit more on top of the
paper.
1090
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,640
Here is an example of ballpoint pen ink.
1091
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,500
And the characteristics commonly seen
with ballpoint pen ink is you don't see
1092
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:59,260
that ink bleed into the paper and kind
of sits more on top and has a sheen to
1093
01:17:59,260 --> 01:18:04,280
it. And on curvatures, you see what we
call burst striations that move from
1094
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,560
inside to outside on a curve.
1095
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,760
So what I'm seeing throughout the
document is that the entirety of the
1096
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,020
is created with that non -ballpoint.
1097
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:18,340
pen ink that is consistent with the time
period which this document is totally
1098
01:18:18,340 --> 01:18:24,020
created yes the next thing i looked at
was the paper itself and what i'm
1099
01:18:24,020 --> 01:18:28,800
for are optical brighteners optical
brighteners are added in the paper
1100
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:34,340
manufacturing process and it makes the
paper look nice and bright
1101
01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:40,100
So the way to look for optical
brighteners is to look under UV
1102
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:44,320
what should happen if it contains
optical brighteners is that the paper
1103
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:51,200
luminize. It should glow under UV. Here
I'll put the journal in so
1104
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:57,340
you can see. And just to give you a
comparison, I'll put a document which I
1105
01:18:57,340 --> 01:19:00,300
contains optical brighteners under,
right on top. Wow.
1106
01:19:01,230 --> 01:19:03,630
So that technology began in around 1950.
1107
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:07,050
Correct. Well, that makes sense because
I think the last date that I saw in the
1108
01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:12,190
journal was like 1948. So professional
opinion and the evidence showing that it
1109
01:19:12,190 --> 01:19:14,450
was created before 1950 anyway.
1110
01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:18,370
Yes. It is consistent with documents
that were produced during that time
1111
01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:22,750
Great. Okay. So did you find anything
like a watermark that might...
1112
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,380
also provide clues about the time
period?
1113
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:32,140
Right. So there is no logos or insignia
on either cover or in the pages which
1114
01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:35,280
would indicate the company that
manufactured this document.
1115
01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:38,820
However, when I looked with transmitted
light shining through the document,
1116
01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:41,760
there is a watermark present on the
document.
1117
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:49,660
In looking at... Oh, yeah, I see it. You
can see the watermark. And on the top,
1118
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:50,700
looking through...
1119
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,740
several pages and being able to piece it
together. The top actually says
1120
01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:58,300
Juniata, J -U -N -I -A -T -A.
1121
01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:04,180
So curiosity got the better of me. And a
quick Internet search revealed that
1122
01:20:04,180 --> 01:20:06,200
Juniata is a university in Pennsylvania.
1123
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:09,700
Interesting. That was the area where my
grandfather went to intelligence school.
1124
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:10,920
In Pennsylvania.
1125
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He went to intelligence school in
Pennsylvania.
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He was actually a member in the very
first class of the very first
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school. Oh, really?
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finished that class, he turned around
and they had him teach that class. Oh, I
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did read that.
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And again, it was right in the same area
where this paper came from. And that
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was in what year?
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1940? It had to have been 41, 42,
something like that. Yeah, it was after
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war had already started. Exactly, yeah.
He joined really right after Pearl
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Harbor. To sum up, this document does
appear to be consistent.
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with the time period with which it's
reported to be written. It's half the
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01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:42,419
battle right there.
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01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:47,500
So I did a handwriting comparison with
the journal and the known specimens I
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for Jesse Marcel.
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Now, I will say that in flipping through
the journals, the handwriting did
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appear to be freely and naturally
executed.
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01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,740
It does not appear to be deliberate or
hesitant in its execution.
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There is one feature.
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01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:09,520
that I'll point out, and that is the
capital letter M, where it is written
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01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,360
almost like three sevens attached.
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01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:15,720
So this is in the printed section.
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01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,560
This M does appear in the cursive
section from time to time.
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01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,480
Oh, it's just like it.
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01:21:27,820 --> 01:21:29,440
It is stunning news.
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01:21:29,780 --> 01:21:33,500
Both the cursive script and the print
were written by the same person.
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The journal is genuine.
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01:21:37,530 --> 01:21:40,570
Next on Roswell, the first witness.
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01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:44,350
The Roswell incident is real.
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01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:47,790
The investigation moves into uncharted
territory.
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01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:51,630
It negates the skeptical arguments about
the Roswell case.
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01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:54,870
With new leads that have never been
explored before.
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01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:59,630
Actually raises more questions than
answers, though. Was the mysterious
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01:21:59,630 --> 01:22:02,310
Jesse Marcel kept secret, written in
code?
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01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,280
To hide its meaning from the government?
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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,400
To a cryptographer, this indicates a
certain kind of cipher.
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01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,740
Or was it something more sinister that
forced Jesse Marcel into silence? He
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01:22:12,740 --> 01:22:16,120
said, there are things that this world
is not ready for.
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01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:21,220
The impact site. The remains of the
craft and the bodies recovered.
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01:22:21,940 --> 01:22:25,360
What else was Jesse Marcel hiding from
the world?
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01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:32,870
The investigation uncovers shocking
possibilities.
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You think the debris could still be at
the house? I know it could be.
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01:22:36,850 --> 01:22:40,450
Could it change what we know about
Roswell?
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I'm Lawrence Fishburne.
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Thanks for watching History's Greatest
Mysteries.
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