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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,640 Tonight, on History's Greatest Mysteries. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,420 Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested that one of the 3 00:00:12,420 --> 00:00:14,300 strange discs had been found and infected. 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,780 In 1947, something crashed in the desert in the American Southwest. 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,180 Whatever the object was, it has created shockwaves still felt today. 6 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:27,420 I'm Lawrence Fishburne. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,500 On tonight's mystery... 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,580 What crashed in Roswell, New Mexico? 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,860 Was it a flying saucer, as headlines first announced, or a secret military 10 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:39,860 aircraft? 11 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:42,820 A new investigation seeks answers. 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,700 This might be that piece of the puzzle. An ex -CIA officer named Ben Smith has 13 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:53,520 obtained a cryptic journal. It was found among the papers of Major Jesse Marcel, 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,620 the first U .S. Army officer to investigate the wreckage. 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,600 He always said that he was sworn to secrecy. Does it contain coded clues of 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,720 Marcel really saw? It was not anything from this earth. 17 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:12,380 What about stories of alleged alien bodies in the wreckage? She said there 18 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:15,060 little people and there were some dead and some alive. 19 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:19,560 Did the U .S. government cover up the truth and does it still possess the 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,760 wreckage of a UFO? 21 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:25,180 I do know one name of a man who had pieces of debris. 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,340 The truth behind Roswell. 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,500 according to those who were there. 24 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,280 Ben Smith has been intrigued by Roswell and UFOs for years. 25 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,660 Investigating was at the core of my work at CIA. 26 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,900 I went under deep cover, lived a double life to collect intel on terrorist 27 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:13,120 networks, foreign spy activities, even weapons of mass destruction. 28 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,420 Smith says this may be his most challenging mission, trying to figure 29 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:22,800 truth about what really crashed near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. 30 00:02:25,740 --> 00:02:28,400 So this is it, huh? This is it. Ground zero. 31 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:33,540 Don Schmidt has written seven bestsellers about Roswell and 32 00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:36,360 people connected to the incident than anyone alive. 33 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,480 Taking a look at the impact site now, that crash in 47. 34 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:47,040 I was a special investigator for the late Dr. Jalen Hynek, who was consultant 35 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,920 the Air Force Project Blue Book. I was a skeptic. And the one case that I wanted 36 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:54,260 to investigate was Roswell. 37 00:02:54,890 --> 00:03:00,490 And for having talked to over 600 witnesses, either directly or indirectly 38 00:03:00,490 --> 00:03:07,030 involved, I am 99 % convinced that what indeed crashed here back in 1947 39 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:12,090 was a craft of unknown origin, not manufactured on this planet. 40 00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:21,770 Ben Smith asked Schmidt to show him the site where the crashed debris was found. 41 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,280 This is it, Beth. 42 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:33,160 What we consider the most significant location as far as in the entire history 43 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,160 of the UFO phenomenon. 44 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:39,820 It's total isolation. 45 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:44,540 We could just as well be on the dark side of the moon. 46 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,060 You know, my background is in the CIA. 47 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:54,040 And I have no agenda except to explore this mystery. 48 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:57,050 Bring some clarity to some unanswered questions. 49 00:03:57,390 --> 00:04:01,230 It's thrilling to finally be out here after having read so much about it, a 50 00:04:01,230 --> 00:04:02,230 of your work. 51 00:04:02,510 --> 00:04:04,810 This is where it all began back in 1947. 52 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:17,350 In the 1940s, New Mexico was home to some of America's most sensitive 53 00:04:17,350 --> 00:04:21,410 installations, including where the atomic bomb was developed. 54 00:04:22,990 --> 00:04:27,930 By the summer of 1947, the U .S. was worried that the Soviets were building 55 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:28,950 their own atomic bomb. 56 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:31,650 And Americans were worried about something else. 57 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:34,790 Hundreds of reports of UFOs. 58 00:04:35,710 --> 00:04:40,210 What is the flying saucer? What's behind the daily reports of aerial phenomena 59 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:41,210 in the nation's press? 60 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:46,030 These supposed societies were reported in a number of newspapers throughout the 61 00:04:46,030 --> 00:04:50,890 United States, and they actually started to grow in number in kind of a mass 62 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:51,890 hysteria. 63 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:58,790 Much of the activity seemed to be focused in New Mexico, the hotbed of 64 00:04:58,790 --> 00:05:04,910 activity at that time. New Mexico became the focus, not only of the Soviet 65 00:05:04,910 --> 00:05:11,190 Union, but also the UFO phenomenon, as though someone else was very interested 66 00:05:11,190 --> 00:05:12,210 in our military potential. 67 00:05:17,630 --> 00:05:23,770 By late June 1947, more than a week before the Roswell crash, Residents in 68 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:27,810 southern part of the state were spooked by nearly 70 sightings of UFOs. 69 00:05:28,530 --> 00:05:34,490 It was just going in a northly motion at a pretty rapid speed, but nothing like 70 00:05:34,490 --> 00:05:39,430 a falling star or a meteorite. So bright like that, you couldn't look directly 71 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:41,030 at it very long at a time. 72 00:05:41,730 --> 00:05:45,950 Then you had to look to the side of it, just like looking into a bright sun. 73 00:05:56,170 --> 00:06:01,730 Then, on the morning of July 6, 1947, something even stranger occurred. 74 00:06:05,470 --> 00:06:10,530 Roswell Sheriff called the nearby Army airfield to say that a sheep rancher had 75 00:06:10,530 --> 00:06:14,870 come in with pieces of debris that he believed came from a crashed flying 76 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:15,870 saucer. 77 00:06:18,150 --> 00:06:23,310 The base's commander was Colonel William H. Blanchard, a highly decorated 78 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:24,390 military pilot. 79 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:30,160 who in 1945 had supervised the mission of the Enola Gay, the bomber that 80 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,580 destroyed Hiroshima. 81 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:39,020 By 1947, the base was still home to the 509th, the world's only nuclear 82 00:06:39,020 --> 00:06:40,560 -equipped bomber squadron. 83 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:48,140 Roswell was the headquarters of the elite military at that time. The base 84 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:52,040 was always on full alert because they had the atomic bomb. 85 00:06:53,770 --> 00:06:57,890 In response to the call from the sheriff, Colonel Blanchard dispatched 86 00:06:57,890 --> 00:07:00,590 base's intelligence officer, Major Jesse Marcel. 87 00:07:01,190 --> 00:07:05,390 With him was Sheridan Cabot, an agent for Army counterintelligence. 88 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:11,230 According to Don Schmidt's research, this is what happened next. 89 00:07:16,330 --> 00:07:18,470 Monday morning, July 7th. 90 00:07:18,850 --> 00:07:23,050 Jesse Marcel and Sheridan Cabot arrive at the debris field. 91 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,800 With the rancher. 92 00:07:28,260 --> 00:07:34,900 Major Jesse Marcel said the first thing that struck him was the massive amount 93 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:35,960 of debris. 94 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,460 As he would say, there was just so much of it covered an area almost a mile 95 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:42,460 long. 96 00:07:44,340 --> 00:07:49,120 Interviewed later about what he saw in the debris field, Marcel claimed it was 97 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,720 three quarters of a mile long, a couple of hundred feet wide. 98 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:01,280 At that point, that material has been out there for days, and no one 99 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,440 else is looking for it, which would clearly suggest it's not ours. 100 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,320 And if it's not ours, then whose is it? 101 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,840 So Harsell and Cabot spend the better part of the day out there looking at 102 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,440 thing and trying to determine what it was. 103 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:28,470 Marcel picked up different pieces of the debris and put them in boxes in the 104 00:08:28,470 --> 00:08:29,470 trunk of his car. 105 00:08:33,870 --> 00:08:40,490 Cabot would stay behind and concentrate more of the wreckage in a 106 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:41,770 general area. 107 00:08:42,669 --> 00:08:45,870 Marcel would make the drive back to Roswell. 108 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:54,890 What Jesse did next, according to his family, was an uncharacteristic breach 109 00:08:54,890 --> 00:08:55,890 military protocol. 110 00:08:56,370 --> 00:09:02,650 He knew the material would be classified top secret the moment it would cross 111 00:09:02,650 --> 00:09:08,090 the front gate at the Roswell Army Airfield. It was important enough, 112 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:15,090 enough, unusual enough that Major Marcel would stop at his home 113 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:17,090 on the way back to the base. 114 00:09:21,870 --> 00:09:25,870 He came back real late one night, about 2 o 'clock in the morning, as I recall, 115 00:09:26,050 --> 00:09:31,610 very excited because he found parts of a UFO or a flying saucer at that time, 116 00:09:31,690 --> 00:09:33,470 and he wanted me to see it. 117 00:09:35,330 --> 00:09:41,550 Marcel would describe paper -thin, metal -like material, practically weightless 118 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:44,730 in your hands, that you couldn't cut, you couldn't burn. 119 00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:49,790 There were silken strands of material that Marcel described, that a lighter 120 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:51,210 could be held to one end. 121 00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:55,270 And the light would emit out the opposing end. Well, they're describing 122 00:09:55,270 --> 00:09:57,050 optics in 1947. 123 00:09:57,770 --> 00:10:02,030 Yet fiber optics didn't come into development until around 1970. 124 00:10:03,110 --> 00:10:04,830 And then the I -beam structures. 125 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:11,790 The most unusual part of the debris that I saw was the I -beam fragment. 126 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:19,130 Jesse Marcel, Jr. spent a lifetime thinking about the strange materials his 127 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:20,850 father brought home and let him handle. 128 00:10:21,550 --> 00:10:27,150 They were very light, very strong, and they had some writing along the inside 129 00:10:27,150 --> 00:10:30,550 surface of this. And that was the thing that really set this apart from anything 130 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:31,590 I'd ever seen before. 131 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,580 American official on the scene at Roswell in 1947. 132 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,020 Having learned of Ben Smith's investigation, the Marcel family is 133 00:11:02,020 --> 00:11:05,560 with him. They believe they have something he will certainly want to see. 134 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:10,940 The Roswell incident could potentially be the greatest event in the history of 135 00:11:10,940 --> 00:11:11,940 humankind. 136 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:18,220 We have how many 300 trillion stars and 200 billion galaxies? 137 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,280 scattered across like 15 billion light years. 138 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,660 And to think that we're all alone in all of that space is pretty sad. 139 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,800 So I personally want to know, is there anybody out there? 140 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,120 And have they been here? 141 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,880 The Roswell incident has got the potential for physical evidence. 142 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:53,900 and a host of reliable witnesses who all describe something the 143 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:55,020 world has never seen before. 144 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,300 There's no way for me to know but to research, to start at the bottom and 145 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:01,300 my way through the facts. 146 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:11,400 The Marcel family has a journal belonging to their grandfather. 147 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:18,510 The journal could change the entire story about what happened at Roswell. 148 00:12:33,410 --> 00:12:34,870 Hi. Hey. Jesse Marcel. 149 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:38,310 Jesse, pleasure to meet you. Ben. Ben, nice to finally meet you. Come on in. 150 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:42,010 My brother and sister are here as well. 151 00:12:43,150 --> 00:12:48,130 I first saw the journal going through some military documents of my 152 00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:50,850 and it was just in with the military documents. 153 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:52,350 Here's a diary. 154 00:12:53,130 --> 00:12:54,130 Oh, okay, wow. 155 00:12:54,610 --> 00:12:58,770 He put it in a cedar chest, and it was in there until the day he died. There's 156 00:12:58,770 --> 00:13:01,330 something very important about that journal. 157 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:04,550 This is pretty wild. 158 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:10,210 Right? Until now, no one outside the Marcel family has ever seen this 159 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:12,290 Does it contain fresh details? 160 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,420 about what really happened in Roswell. 161 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:28,680 January 4th, 1946 to 1948. 162 00:13:29,020 --> 00:13:32,000 That would have been a year, almost a year after. About a year after. Almost 163 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,060 exactly a year. 164 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,680 Ben Smith's investigation of the Roswell incident has taken him to Spokane, 165 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Washington to meet the grandchildren of Jesse Marcel. 166 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,400 who believe they have a crucial piece of evidence. 167 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,720 Boy, this really does run the gamut then. It starts before Roswell and ends 168 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,940 about a year after. Right. 169 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:55,040 After his death, Marcel's family found a journal hidden with his military 170 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,660 records that he had never shared with anyone. 171 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,280 There's something very important about that journal. 172 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,600 There are entries dated from around the time of Roswell, but the notations are 173 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,800 strange and confusing. 174 00:14:08,650 --> 00:14:11,850 Could they be coded clues to what Marcel really saw? 175 00:14:12,450 --> 00:14:15,850 Why was he writing movie quotes or songs? 176 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:20,070 How into pop culture and movie and books was your grandfather? 177 00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:21,910 We never talked about that guy as our grandfather. 178 00:14:22,270 --> 00:14:26,030 No. You know, it could also be something like a mnemonic device where you 179 00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:29,650 memorize something totally different from the subject matter so that it 180 00:14:29,650 --> 00:14:30,650 your recall later. 181 00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:36,130 Ben wonders if their grandfather, a seasoned intelligence officer, was 182 00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:37,850 hide information because he'd been warned. 183 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,420 never to reveal the truth about the UFO. 184 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:44,900 Since he worked in intelligence, you're not going to say it out, oh, hell, wow, 185 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000 I just found a UFO. 186 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:48,220 You're not going to write it out like that. 187 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:51,180 You're going to be kind of cryptic about it because you don't want anybody else 188 00:14:51,180 --> 00:14:53,340 to maybe see what you're writing. 189 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,300 At one point, the military came back and said, yeah, you've got to stop making 190 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,100 this stuff up about the UFO crash. 191 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,460 And he grabbed his medals and threw them away. He was done. 192 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:05,780 He was done. 193 00:15:06,430 --> 00:15:07,850 And he was very upset. 194 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:14,590 Jesse Marcel was born in 1907 in the bayou country of southern Louisiana. 195 00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:19,990 His childhood fascination with maps would lead to a job with Shell Oil, 196 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:21,250 worked with aerial photographs. 197 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:28,010 This combination of skills made him an obvious candidate for Air Force 198 00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:31,390 Intelligence School after America went to war in 1942. 199 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:36,670 Lieutenant Marcel's job Mapping targets for bomber squadrons in the Pacific 200 00:15:36,670 --> 00:15:39,430 earned him two air medals and a bronze star. 201 00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:46,070 When World War II ended, Marcel, with a young family to support, decided to stay 202 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:49,810 in the military, receiving a plum assignment with the Army Air Force's 203 00:15:49,810 --> 00:15:53,710 elite unit, the 509th Bomber Squadron based in Roswell. 204 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:59,190 He always said that he was sworn to secrecy, so he never shared everything 205 00:15:59,190 --> 00:16:00,650 had happened out there. 206 00:16:00,870 --> 00:16:02,370 But whatever he saw... 207 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:03,700 was so significant. 208 00:16:04,420 --> 00:16:09,640 He was willing to take a chance with his entire military career to show his son 209 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,040 and his wife this stuff. 210 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,500 The Marcells say that after stopping at home to show the debris to his wife and 211 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,439 son, 212 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,800 Jesse arrived at the Roswell Army Airfield for the regular morning 213 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:23,020 meeting. 214 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:27,760 He presented the strange debris he'd collected to the base's commanding 215 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,740 Colonel William H. Blanchard. 216 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:35,570 Blanchard ordered his public affairs officer, First Lieutenant Walter Hout, 217 00:16:35,570 --> 00:16:37,130 issue an immediate press release. 218 00:16:37,550 --> 00:16:43,770 I was instructed by Colonel Blanchard to put out a press release, which in 219 00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:49,630 effect stated that we had in our possession a flying saucer. 220 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:56,590 As soon as that hit the Roswell Daily Record, it was broadcast by the local 221 00:16:56,590 --> 00:16:57,890 radio station. 222 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,560 It went. They didn't use that term back then, but it went viral across the whole 223 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,560 globe. 224 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,940 Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested that the widely 225 00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:12,940 publicized mystery of the flying saucers may soon be solved. 226 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,760 Army Air Force officers reported that one of the strange disks had been found 227 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,400 and infected sometime last week. 228 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,380 As news that a flying saucer had been discovered spread around the world, the 229 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:26,000 Army chain of command took control. 230 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,820 millions of Americans believe that what happened next, the effort to conceal the 231 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:35,540 UFO crash, is one of the greatest cover -ups in U .S. history. 232 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:45,540 Colonel Blanchard ordered Major Marcel to fly to Carswell Armory Airfield in 233 00:17:45,540 --> 00:17:50,320 Fort Worth, Texas, to present the material to Brigadier General Roger 234 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,080 head of the 8th Air Force, commanding officer over the 509th Bomb Group. 235 00:17:56,940 --> 00:18:01,700 Marcel thought he was flying to Fort Worth with pieces of flying saucer 236 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:09,460 Major Marcel would arrive at Fort Worth approximately 4 o 'clock that afternoon, 237 00:18:09,620 --> 00:18:11,840 and he presented the material. 238 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,960 Ramey took Marcel to an adjoining map room. 239 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:23,860 When Marcel would return with the general back to his office, the real 240 00:18:23,860 --> 00:18:24,860 was gone. 241 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,780 In its place was a weather balloon. 242 00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:37,820 The Army called a hasty press conference. 243 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,520 It's at this moment, according to Smith, that the alleged cover -up begins. 244 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Ladies and gentlemen, mystery solved. 245 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:49,660 It's just a weather balloon device. 246 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:51,980 Nothing to worry about. 247 00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:54,920 And the press accepted it. 248 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:00,500 All the personnel at the base were ordered never to bring it up again, 249 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:05,340 talk about what had transpired, and they got away with it. 250 00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:12,540 31 years later, however, the man at the center of the Roswell incident from the 251 00:19:12,540 --> 00:19:17,060 very beginning came forward with what he said was the real story. 252 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:22,140 The following morning, we went out to this site where the crash was, and what 253 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:23,140 saw, I couldn't believe. 254 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,800 Marcel! 255 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:28,240 says in interviews, that's not the stuff I brought from Roswell. 256 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:35,820 In a 1980 interview for the series In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy, Marcel 257 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:38,700 claims he was forced to go along with a cover -up. 258 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,660 They took pictures, of course. They had a whole flock of microphones there. They 259 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:48,520 wanted some comments from me, but I wasn't that driven to do that. 260 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:51,700 So all I could do is keep my mouth shut. 261 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,600 And General Ramey is the one who... 262 00:19:54,890 --> 00:20:01,790 discussed, told the newspapers, I mean the newsmen, what it was and to forget 263 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:05,170 about it. It was nothing more than an observation balloon. 264 00:20:06,130 --> 00:20:08,270 Of course, which we both knew differently. 265 00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:10,490 I had never seen anything like that before. 266 00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:12,870 As of now, I don't know what it was. 267 00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:17,450 It was not anything from this earth that I'm quite sure of. 268 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:23,150 Watching this interview with his grandchildren, you can really feel the 269 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:24,150 in the room. 270 00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:28,170 Marcel claimed the military swore him to secrecy and hid the truth. 271 00:20:28,890 --> 00:20:32,730 For his family, it was a government cover -up, plain and simple. 272 00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:37,550 Our grandpa wasn't really a public person. He didn't want the spotlight. In 273 00:20:37,550 --> 00:20:42,510 fact, he kind of shied away from it. But I really think that this gave him a way 274 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:44,850 to release a lot of weight on his shoulders. 275 00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:49,670 This was like a cleansing in a way, a way just to let off the softest chest, 276 00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:51,590 going to kind of go where it's going to go. 277 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,720 I mean, he's incredibly courageous. 278 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:59,020 There are very few intelligence officers who ever come forward in public about 279 00:20:59,020 --> 00:20:59,759 what they did. 280 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,800 So there's a very admirable trait of bravery. He stood up for what he 281 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:08,640 and he went out and he spoke to everyone, and that takes guts, and then 282 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:09,439 with the blowback. 283 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,460 He felt that there was an importance for it to come out, to be seen, you know, 284 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,660 that something did occur. 285 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,960 Now, I think he was really upset that they made him the fall guy. 286 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,360 and that he couldn't believe that it's still at this point that it was still 287 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:26,259 being covered up. 288 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:31,100 And I think he did want it to be out, but at the same point he knew that there 289 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:32,420 were secrets that had to stay secret. 290 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:39,480 I think Grandpa wanted us to learn more. I think he really wanted to tell 291 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,480 everything he knew about it. 292 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,460 That's the reason I think there's evidence out there that he did. 293 00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:45,040 We've just got to get to it. 294 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,300 Jesse Marcel's grandchildren hope the journal will vindicate him. 295 00:21:49,630 --> 00:21:54,590 by revealing the truth about what really crashed at Roswell and the cover -up 296 00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:57,150 they say he was forced to participate in. 297 00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:01,250 Somebody comes out and says, you know what, he served his country well and we 298 00:22:01,250 --> 00:22:03,170 apologize for making him go through this. 299 00:22:03,650 --> 00:22:07,450 And also my father, I want some vindication for him too. I probably 300 00:22:07,450 --> 00:22:12,430 answers immediately just looking at it. But over time and as we start to build 301 00:22:12,430 --> 00:22:16,150 the investigation, perhaps some of these clues will come into focus. 302 00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:21,770 This can be a game changer. The rest of the story about what happened at Roswell 303 00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:23,270 from its most important witness. 304 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:38,550 During his investigation, Smith will work with Joe Pappalardo, a veteran 305 00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:41,030 journalist who specializes in aviation. 306 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:46,090 My investigation really starts from... 307 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:52,870 This man here, Jesse Marcel Sr., the chief of intelligence at the 509th 308 00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:55,190 Group at Roswell Army Air Force Base. 309 00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:58,270 Jesse Marcel Sr. 310 00:22:58,930 --> 00:23:05,410 kept a small army portfolio of his military records and in it a small 311 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:06,410 journal. 312 00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:11,510 Jesse Marcel, the man at the center of the claim that Roswell was a cover -up, 313 00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:14,570 kept this journal among his most important papers. 314 00:23:15,139 --> 00:23:19,540 Obviously, it was very valuable to him. The question is, is it a key to my 315 00:23:19,540 --> 00:23:20,540 investigation? 316 00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:27,560 Some of the dates described in the journal capture 1947. 317 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:33,760 It's a remarkable piece of history, and nobody really knows about it yet. You're 318 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,759 right to be excited. 319 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,120 If this is real, yes. 320 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,400 This is an actual journal from that time. It would represent a primary 321 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,440 document from that era. So that's the thing that you want to go after as a 322 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 researcher. I would like to take a look at what you got to see a little bit more 323 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,600 about this diary. 324 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:50,760 Let me actually bring it up on the projector here. 325 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:59,800 This is the notebook here. Right away I see a typical Army field issue notebook. 326 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:01,740 So here we have a date, 1946. 327 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,840 This entire journal comes from when he was at Roswell. Correct. 328 00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:10,140 Our date here, we have August 31st, 1947. 329 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:16,080 About six weeks, seven weeks after the U .S. Army Corps put out their infamous 330 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,340 UFO crash at Roswell. Flying disc. 331 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:21,580 There's a beautiful cursive handwriting. 332 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:28,720 And then if we fast forward, just kind of erratic, mixed 333 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,280 case, blocky lettering. And I can't make sense of it. 334 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:37,030 A couple of things leap to mind immediately when you see a change that's 335 00:24:37,030 --> 00:24:40,530 drastic. It's impossible not to notice that it's different. It's either a 336 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:44,350 different person writing it or it's the same person in a different mindset. 337 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:49,090 Is that by design or is that just unintentional? The content seems the 338 00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:53,250 How does the journal compare with the timeline of the incident? 339 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,460 Well, there's no mention of Roswell at all. No mention of any events. No 340 00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:03,700 of any wreckage. Just these jokes and quotes and musings and ideas captured in 341 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:04,700 different handwriting. 342 00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:06,260 And there's only sporadic dates. 343 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,760 They read like quotes from Reader's Digest. 344 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,120 Life is what you make it until someone comes along and changes it. 345 00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:20,540 Two half -brothers make one. 346 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Well, now that I am too old to set a bad example, I delight in giving good 347 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,560 advice. 348 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,540 So it meant something to him, but no one knows what. 349 00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:31,740 Yeah. 350 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:37,240 He's a soldier. He was in charge of intelligence at the 509th. He knew a lot 351 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,440 secrets. He took them very seriously. 352 00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:45,860 It's kind of hard to imagine the seriousness that people back then... 353 00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:49,760 secrecy and took nuclear secrecy and nuclear weapons in particular. 354 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,680 I mean, there were hordes of Soviet spies trying to get this information at 355 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,680 time. 356 00:25:57,380 --> 00:26:02,340 In 1947, the United States and the Soviet Union were already Cold War 357 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:05,920 The U .S. possessed nuclear weapons while the Soviets did not. 358 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,640 Major Jesse Marcel and his colleagues in the 509th Bomber Squadron wanted to 359 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,640 keep it that way. 360 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,580 They were basically the only nuclear bombing group in the world. He was 361 00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:19,900 entrusted with the biggest secrets that the military has. 362 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,780 One thing that the Marcel children insist on is that their grandfather was 363 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:30,900 absolutely certain that the debris that he was holding in this photo right here, 364 00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:35,200 the official government photos and the press release, is not the debris that he 365 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,720 found in the field. 366 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,780 I see my grandfather. 367 00:26:39,879 --> 00:26:42,540 holding up something that he knew that wasn't what he found. 368 00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:46,180 He was adamant that this was not what he saw in the jury field. 369 00:26:46,460 --> 00:26:53,360 I see a man that is not liking what they're having him do, but he knows he 370 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,420 has to do it because that's his job. 371 00:26:57,580 --> 00:26:58,580 That's not what he found. 372 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,260 And at that point in time, I'm sure he kind of felt, well, maybe I'm going to 373 00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:03,260 made out to be a fall guy. 374 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:06,760 Keeping a secret is one thing, but telling a lie... 375 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,900 is another, and being the face of that lie in the newspaper, could break a man 376 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:13,000 like Jesse Marcel. 377 00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:16,400 That could explain the difference in the journal as well. Someone under that 378 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,500 much stress, who knows how that manifests. 379 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,260 It's a different handwriting because it's in a different mental state. 380 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:26,260 What made the writing so cryptic, and why did it suddenly change? 381 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:30,540 Did it have to do with the UFO or its passengers? 382 00:27:31,980 --> 00:27:35,180 Okay, so you've got this hot piece of evidence in your hands. How do you plan 383 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:36,460 verifying that it's real? 384 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:41,700 I think the first step is to authenticate the document itself. Is 385 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:43,180 the time period or is this a recreation? 386 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,720 If we can exclude the fact that it's a forgery, then we're winning. 387 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,100 Do the forensics first to make sure that it's actually of the era. 388 00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:55,160 Yeah. Another interesting question, why did he have it? Why was it so important 389 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,300 to him that he kept it and left it among his things to pass on to his children? 390 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680 And then the third tier is trying to figure out what the hell it does. 391 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,839 Yeah, exactly. 392 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,180 Yeah, we're cut out for you in this one. 393 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,800 To further his investigation of Marcel's journal, Ben Smith contacts Jennifer 394 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,620 Nassau, a leading handwriting expert. She will perform a forensic analysis on 395 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:23,120 the document to determine if it's genuine or a forgery, and also whether 396 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,660 Marcel wrote it himself. 397 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:29,100 I understand you worked for the Secret Service. 398 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:32,060 I did. I completed my training. 399 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,520 with the Secret Service and worked there for a number of years. 400 00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:38,040 I used to work for the CIA, so we have a little bit of, like, USG connection 401 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,919 going on. 402 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,480 My name is Jennifer Nassau. 403 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:46,120 I'm a forensic document examiner, and what I do is I receive documents that 404 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,660 in question, and I analyze them to determine their authenticity. 405 00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:55,480 At the Secret Service, I authenticated a lot of the threat letters that came in. 406 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,300 We also did a lot of work with documents that were false and forged. 407 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,020 I do have a very interesting document that I need your help authenticating. A 408 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:11,540 document belonging to the first guy on the scene of the alleged Roswell 409 00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:12,540 in 1947. 410 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,080 Okay. A man named Jesse Marcel, Sr. This could potentially hold Marcel's private 411 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,860 thoughts about the incident that July, about the crash, about the materials, 412 00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:24,360 about the potential cover -up. 413 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,680 So I need to determine that this is not, in fact, a forgery. 414 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:34,960 If the journal was written by Jesse Marcel in 1947, could it hold the key to 415 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,100 unlocking the mystery of Roswell? 416 00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:49,220 I do have a very interesting document that I need your help authenticating. 417 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,320 Former CIA operative Ben Smith. 418 00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:57,290 has brought Jesse Marcel's mysterious journal to a forensic document examiner 419 00:29:57,290 --> 00:29:58,290 for testing. 420 00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:04,150 This could potentially hold Marcel's private thoughts about the incident that 421 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:08,730 July. Marcel was the first investigator at the Roswell crack site. 422 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:13,570 While the U .S. Army claimed the wreckage was from a weather balloon, 423 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:18,610 family alleges something different, that the journal may hold coded clues about 424 00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:19,750 what really happened. 425 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,560 I would like to believe the journal is going to give us the truths we've been 426 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,380 looking for for the last 70 years. 427 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,200 So I see most of the document is written in a cursive writing. 428 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,820 And then when you get to the end, it changes to a print writing. 429 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,900 Yeah. It may be an indication that there were two different writers in this 430 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,680 journal. That I would have to do a more thorough examination in order to 431 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,680 determine. 432 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,960 It's important to authenticate historical documents because it can turn 433 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,280 tables in terms of what we know versus what we thought we knew. The date of the 434 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,580 document is important to note because what I'm going to do is static dating. 435 00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:05,360 know the introduction dates of certain elements of the paper or the ink. We can 436 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840 see whether or not they were available during the time that this document was 437 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,840 reportedly produced. 438 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,260 Some of the dates in the journal itself range from 1946 to 1948 and 49. 439 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,980 So they cover the period of the Roswell incident. 440 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,380 But one of my biggest concerns about this document is forgery. I want to make 441 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:29,440 sure that this document is real. What can you tell me about what you've seen 442 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,440 forged documents? 443 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:32,760 Have you seen forgeries of this length before? 444 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:39,840 I have not, but there is a famous case where there were several diaries 445 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,780 purportedly written by Hitler. 446 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:51,460 On April 25, 1983, the West German magazine Stern announced that it was in 447 00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:55,920 possession of never -before -seen diaries written by Adolf Hitler that 448 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,860 rewrite the history of World War II. 449 00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:01,620 Stern had paid close to $4 million for the diaries. 450 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:04,920 and sold the rights to other major publications around the world. 451 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,180 Totaling 60 volumes, the writings were authenticated by several prominent 452 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:12,180 historians. 453 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,340 But just days before publication, the diaries were exposed as fakes. 454 00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:25,160 A forensics analysis by the West German archives quickly discovered that the 455 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,140 diaries were made from a kind of paper and ink that wasn't even invented until 456 00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:30,320 after World War II. 457 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,240 Their author was a prolific East German forger named Konrad Kujau, who wrote out 458 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,740 his own confession in the style of Hitler's penmanship. 459 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,660 The way that they ended up determining that they were fraudulent is because the 460 00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:50,080 paper contains optical brighteners that were not available until after Hitler's 461 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,820 death. Interesting. You know, there's always conspiracy in every corner that I 462 00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:56,420 look. How long do you think it will take? 463 00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:59,460 Usually it takes a few weeks. Oh, it does. 464 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,920 Okay. Especially something of this magnitude. 465 00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:09,340 While Jennifer Nassau performs a forensic analysis of the journal, Smith 466 00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:13,600 team of archaeologists and geophysicists to meet him at the debris field. 467 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,560 He hopes state -of -the -art technology will find signs that something more 468 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,440 powerful than a balloon crashed here. 469 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,640 Even 70 years later, if we can find evidence that what crashed here was not 470 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160 balloon, it could prove that Jesse Marcel was telling the truth, that 471 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,240 crashed here was not of this world. 472 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,480 According to author Kevin Randall, the weather balloon explanation put forward 473 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,860 by the military at that 1947 press conference blindsided not only Jesse 474 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160 but also Mack Brazel, the rancher who found the ranch. 475 00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:50,020 General Ramey, of course, trotted it out. It's a weather balloon. 476 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,040 The problem with that is Mack Brazel knew what weather balloons looked like. 477 00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:58,980 This is Bill Brazel's memory of how his dad reacted. 478 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,140 He said that's what the Air Force tried to make him believe, that it was a 479 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:04,919 weather balloon. 480 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,620 He said, Bill, he said it was not a weather balloon. He said, I don't know 481 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:09,620 it was. 482 00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:11,980 But he said it was something. 483 00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:14,639 All together different. 484 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,260 And much bigger. 485 00:34:18,219 --> 00:34:24,120 In this 1991 interview, Judd Roberts, manager of Roswell's local radio station 486 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,380 KGFL, says that local residents were very familiar with the military's 487 00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:34,780 balloons. What was the general reaction to the weather balloon story? 488 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,280 Well, the weather balloons were being launched about a block from us every 489 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,280 night. 490 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,739 So weather balloons, per se, were not that interesting to us. 491 00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:51,020 If local residents were indeed familiar with weather balloons, is it likely 492 00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:57,100 Jesse Marcel, an intelligence officer, could have mistaken a balloon for a 493 00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,380 flying saucer? It was definitely not a weather balloon. 494 00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:01,380 And it was an aircraft. 495 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,460 So what it could have been, I wouldn't know. 496 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,320 She mentioned Roswell. In most places these days, people bring up UFOs. It's a 497 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:23,080 question, a story, a myth that is known practically worldwide. 498 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,640 Yeah. Smith has asked Bill Dolman to join the team of experts at the debris 499 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,500 field. Dolman is the former principal investigator for the University of New 500 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,760 Mexico's Office of Contract Archaeology. 501 00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:41,220 Of all the disputed locations, this is the one that is least disputed. 502 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,500 You're the only one who's actually done a dig out there. And you've done two of 503 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:46,500 them. Two. 504 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:53,540 Dolman made two previous expeditions to the debris field in 2002 and 2006. 505 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:57,540 But he's hopeful that using new technology might uncover fresh evidence. 506 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:03,820 Bringing archaeological skills to a potential debris site, I'm hoping that 507 00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:05,740 can turn up some fresh new. 508 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,380 So what hit the debris field? 509 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:13,500 There are a lot of conflicting counts. 510 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,100 A craft and just debris. 511 00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,080 Some people saw a meteor -like object. 512 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,460 What do you recommend we do first? Start with the archaeology dig or deploy the 513 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:25,660 drone technology? 514 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:31,160 We definitely deploy the drone technology because the archaeology comes 515 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,140 they identify anomalies. 516 00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:37,750 that we can then go investigate using our standard archaeological methods. 517 00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:43,990 There isn't a U .S. government map with this mark, but I actually happen to have 518 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:47,270 a journal that belongs to Jesse Marcel Sr. 519 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:50,930 And Jesse was an intelligence officer. He was a smart guy. 520 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:56,110 It's possible that he could have hidden some of what he knew in this journal. 521 00:36:56,530 --> 00:37:01,070 I would like to determine, one way or the other, if there was any evidence of 522 00:37:01,070 --> 00:37:02,049 cover -up. 523 00:37:02,050 --> 00:37:06,180 If... There was a debris site or an impact site, and it was removed and then 524 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,860 leveled over. We might be able to see something like that. 525 00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:14,600 I am finally back at the Roswell debris field. 526 00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:21,640 It's kind of hard to believe that a place this abandoned and quiet could be 527 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,460 the birthplace of ufology in the United States or in the world, actually. 528 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,880 The term ufology refers to the study of UFOs, and for some, Roswell is the most 529 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,300 important UFO, because it is the site where an alien spaceship allegedly 530 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:39,300 to Earth. 531 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,380 With Roswell, you have the best elements of all UFO cases. 532 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:51,620 Crash sites, physical bodies recovered, and then all the eyewitness testimony on 533 00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:52,620 top of that. 534 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,280 It's just this big mystery. Did it happen? What was it? 535 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,300 That's still not solved. 536 00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:03,040 It's hard to write it off. And so you're left with this big question about 537 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,780 something of incredible potential significance. 538 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,400 This is the famous Backhoe Trench 103. 539 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:18,840 So this would be what ufologists consider the actual furrow in the ground 540 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,740 where some kind of craft made contact with the Earth. 541 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:24,320 You were here in 2002. 542 00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:31,880 conducting an archaeological dig here, right in this furrow. Yeah, and the 543 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,100 furrow runs that way, supposedly. 544 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,480 There are nails, big nails and rebar spikes in the ground, marking the grid 545 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,880 system that we used for locational control in 2002. 546 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,220 Archaeologists are the crime scene investigators of the past. 547 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,060 We treat archaeological sites just the way a CSI treats a crime scene, to use 548 00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:55,260 our methods to look for the evidence of it. 549 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,800 122 .8. 550 00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:05,940 Those methods are about to get a serious upgrade. 551 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:11,820 Joining the team are two Canadian geophysicists, Colin Myasga and Eric 552 00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:16,460 who will deploy 21st century technology to investigate abnormalities in the 553 00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:17,460 terrain. 554 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:26,560 So density altitude 6 ,770 feet. 555 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,580 This may be the best equipped team ever to answer the question that has stumped 556 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:34,900 generations of investigators. 557 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:38,780 What kind of airborne vehicle crashed outside of Roswell? 558 00:39:42,140 --> 00:39:46,780 I'd like to find additional proof of that impact zone. What crashed here and 559 00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:48,300 heavy was it at what velocity? 560 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:54,260 At the Roswell crash site, Ben Smith and a team of experts are using state -of 561 00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:58,160 -the -art equipment to find possible evidence that Jesse Marcel... 562 00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:02,790 may have been telling the truth that what crash landed here was no weather 563 00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:07,350 balloon. It makes the most sense to start here and then widen the search 564 00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:08,350 there. 565 00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:14,190 One curious aspect is that weeks before that early July day, when Marcel found 566 00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:18,870 what he believed was the wreckage of a flying saucer, there were a huge number 567 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:21,130 of headline -making UFO sightings in the area. 568 00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:30,520 At the local radio station, Judd Roberts remembers fielding dozens of callers 569 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:36,100 reporting UFOs. And people that I knew who were highly respectable who saw some 570 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:43,000 of these things, and they had no reason to kid anybody about 571 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,460 standing on the side of their pickup and watching these lights go back and forth 572 00:40:46,460 --> 00:40:47,460 up in the middle. 573 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:55,720 Dad looked up in the west and saw an object that came down and had lights 574 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:56,720 blinking. 575 00:40:57,610 --> 00:40:59,790 It was rather frightening to him. 576 00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:06,150 In 1947, Paul Wilmont's elderly parents were sitting on their porch when they 577 00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:08,490 were sure they saw a flying saucer. 578 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:12,730 He said all of a sudden it seemed to rock a little bit and sort of 579 00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:17,470 counterbalanced itself, wiggle a little bit, and then seemed to settle down and 580 00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:19,730 take off at a rapid rate of speed. 581 00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:25,310 Then came Roswell, the event that would become the holy grail of ufology. 582 00:41:25,850 --> 00:41:29,610 a discovery that would be proof for many that aliens had visited the Earth. 583 00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:33,790 In truth, there is no agreement on what day the crash occurred. 584 00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:37,870 UFO investigator Don Schmidt believes it was July 2nd. 585 00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:44,830 On the late evening of July 2nd, 1947, there was a severe lightning storm in 586 00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:46,930 central high desert of Lincoln County. 587 00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:51,060 All ranchers go out on the porch to see where it's raining. 588 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:55,520 My husband, he had to stand out there and see where it was raining. 589 00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:01,660 There was so much thunder and lightning that I 590 00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:06,020 begged him to come in the house and finally there was this terrible thunder 591 00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:09,660 clap. And he came in and he says, boy, that hit something. 592 00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:15,240 People think about desert as just pure dry, and most of the time it is. But 593 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:19,430 that moisture starts creeping in, All it needs is something to lift it, and 594 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:22,110 that's going to give you incredible thunderstorms. 595 00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:29,970 Witnesses described not only the storm, but between the thunderclaps, they heard 596 00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:35,470 what sounded like an explosion, and then seeing something in the northern 597 00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:37,030 portion of the sky. 598 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:44,510 A large, red, pulsating light came directly at us, and all I could think 599 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,440 was that it was a plane that was in trouble. 600 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,960 While there is no definitive proof about what crashed in the field 75 miles west 601 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,880 of Roswell, no one disputes that it was rancher Mack Brazel who made the first 602 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,240 discovery while taking his sheep to pasture. 603 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:14,710 Ranching in New Mexico would be very focused on the monsoon season. And so a 604 00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:18,110 rancher, they'd be watching for those storms and watching where the rain 605 00:43:18,110 --> 00:43:22,250 come down because their cattle or whatever they're raising needs water. 606 00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:28,930 There was a young boy who was with Matt Brazel, the son of Floyd and Loretta 607 00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:31,750 Proctor. His name was Timothy D. 608 00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:34,730 Proctor, D as he was called. 609 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,660 Mack happened to stumble upon this huge debris field, strange, unusual 610 00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:45,700 wreckage. 611 00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:52,940 Mack had found a huge field filled with metallic debris, and he was annoyed 612 00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:56,880 because, A, he didn't know who was going to clean it up, and, B, he had to drive 613 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,620 the sheep around it to get them to water. 614 00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:05,160 They would not cross it. They were either spooked or they sensed something 615 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,900 coming from the wreckage. 616 00:44:11,370 --> 00:44:17,990 Mack then takes the proctor back to his parents, and he presents some of the 617 00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:19,570 material to the proctors. 618 00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:28,070 He showed us this piece that looked like plastic or wood of some kind, and he 619 00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:34,510 said that there was some metallic -looking stuff that when you crushed it, 620 00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:37,810 just straightened right back out. It wouldn't, you know, wouldn't stay 621 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,400 According to Roswell author and researcher Don Smith, Loretta Proctor 622 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,540 first person to see samples of the debris that Mack Brazel brought back 623 00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:48,540 field. 624 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:53,640 Well, we told him it was probably a UFO and he should report it. 625 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:58,080 Mack Brazel was convinced by his neighbor that he should take it into 626 00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:04,420 Mack would take samples of the debris to Wade's Bar in Corona. 627 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,300 and present pieces there to fellow ranchers, his friends, his neighbors. 628 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,580 The small farming community of Corona was only 15 miles from the debris field. 629 00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:19,840 It would be Mack Brazel's first stop before going on to Roswell. 630 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,220 Mack Brazel came to Corona and talked to my dad about the debris that he had 631 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:28,680 found out on the Foster Ranch. 632 00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:33,000 The material was as thin as a wrapper on a... 633 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,980 Lucky strike package, but you couldn't break it. 634 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,720 And if you twisted it and scrunched it up together, it would come back to its 635 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,040 own. He had no idea what it was. 636 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:49,860 And they said, I bet you have one of them UFOs we've been reading about. 637 00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:55,340 Mack Brazel was convinced by his neighbor that he should take it into 638 00:45:55,340 --> 00:45:56,400 and show it to the sheriff. 639 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,540 But Brazel is still responsible for the ranch. 640 00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:09,450 And it isn't until the end of the week, Sunday, his day off, that he finally 641 00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:16,050 makes the trek, the 75 -mile drive into Roswell to present it to the sheriff, 642 00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:17,430 George Wilcox. 643 00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:21,870 Lieutenant George Wilcox had been the county sheriff for 20 years. 644 00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:26,410 Most of his work involved locking up drunks and settling disputes between 645 00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:28,790 ranchers over livestock and grazing rights. 646 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:37,460 Mack Brazel brought in two boxes of wreckage. Sheriff George Wilcox 647 00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:40,500 handled and observed the material firsthand. 648 00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:47,960 The sheriff immediately suggested that Mack Brazel would report this to the 649 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:53,580 Roswell Army Airfield, the 509th Bomb Group. It sounds like a matter they need 650 00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:55,500 to know about most urgently. 651 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,620 It was that call to the 509th. 652 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,820 that led its commander to dispatch Jesse Marcel, his intelligence officer, to 653 00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:06,260 investigate the strange report. 654 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,960 I had never seen anything like that before, and as of now, I don't know what 655 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,680 was. When Marcel returned to the air base and showed colleagues pieces of the 656 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,680 debris he'd collected, Base Commander William Blanchard made the decision to 657 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,160 public and issue that famous press release. 658 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:29,110 Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested that the widely 659 00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:32,150 publicized mystery of the flying saucers may soon be solved. 660 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:37,090 With the story of the flying disc making international news, Mack Brazel didn't 661 00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:40,110 see any harm in being interviewed by the local radio station. 662 00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:48,190 That morning, reporters from KGFL in Roswell brought Mack Brazel over to the 663 00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:53,210 radio station to finally, you know, tell the world the truth about what had 664 00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:56,040 happened. And the military was waiting for him. 665 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,180 They nabbed Razzle, and they would then hide him out at the base for the next 666 00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:04,160 five full days. 667 00:48:06,020 --> 00:48:10,620 He would later complain he felt like he was in jail, that they had asked him the 668 00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:17,180 same questions over and over and over again, 24 hours around the clock, over a 669 00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:18,180 weather balloon. 670 00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:24,220 According to alleged eyewitness accounts, in the days that followed, The 671 00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:27,880 military swept through Roswell and Corona, threatening scores of 672 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,360 who'd heard Brazel's story. 673 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:34,540 These local residents were warned to keep quiet or they could be charged with 674 00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:36,940 treason, which carried the death penalty. 675 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:43,740 The whole neighborhood was scandalized that the Army, that the services would 676 00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:45,180 treat people like that. 677 00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:51,220 The military reportedly used Brazel to walk back the previous day's front page 678 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:53,590 story. that a flying saucer had crashed. 679 00:48:55,010 --> 00:49:01,470 Days later, Brazel was escorted by the military, taken to the newspapers, taken 680 00:49:01,470 --> 00:49:07,810 to the two radio stations, but specifically KGFL, where Frank Joyce, 681 00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:14,570 reporter, meets Mack Brazel. And to his dismay, Brazel only describes a weather 682 00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:15,549 balloon. 683 00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:20,750 Joyce sees the two MPs and is like, oh, now I see what's happening. 684 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,700 Agents or agencies or people unknown wanted him to change off of the original 685 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:27,700 story. 686 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,900 And in his total frustration, Joyce takes him off the air. 687 00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:40,900 I said, the little green men, and that's where he said, yeah, only they weren't 688 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:41,900 green. 689 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,540 At the Roswell crash site. 690 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,780 Smith is with a team of experts, searching for evidence of the wreckage 691 00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:54,820 here in 1947. 692 00:49:55,740 --> 00:50:01,380 The best plan for us would be to start getting our multispect data going at the 693 00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:06,780 area. We can cover a broad area, get the highest resolution, most up -to -date 694 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:07,780 aerial imagery. 695 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,340 We also have the multispectral camera. Oh, cool. 696 00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:14,580 So you can do both at once. Yeah. In one flight, we're getting multispectral 697 00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:17,160 imagery and regular RGB. 698 00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:20,590 Until now, no one has ever used this technology here. 699 00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:24,950 Whatever we find, we'll know more about this place than anyone ever has. 700 00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:29,710 We want to look for unnatural features. We want to look for straight lines and 701 00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:32,710 that impact and then that skid mark kind of thing. 702 00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:38,490 So the commonly thought spot is just down in this area. 703 00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:43,990 Archaeologist Bill Dolman gives the geophysicists some never -before -seen 704 00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:44,990 images of the area. 705 00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:50,030 By comparing an aerial photograph of the terrain taken just months before the 706 00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:55,490 Roswell incident to one taken seven years later, the team can identify 707 00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:56,490 changes. 708 00:50:57,270 --> 00:51:03,650 Look at that. Wow, that is... Here's the original location of interest, and then 709 00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:08,170 there's that big linear feature that we're interested in. 710 00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:16,640 Just 800 meters from where Jesse Marcel examined the debris, The 1954 photo 711 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,420 shows what could be several long furrows carved into the earth. 712 00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:28,460 There are delineations in the soil from a northwestern to a southeastern 713 00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:33,100 direction that match witness descriptions of something falling from 714 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,320 hitting the earth, skipping and scattering debris. 715 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,940 That's what we see in the aerial footage. 716 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,000 I want to throw everything we've got now at that new site. I mean, what can we 717 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,470 bring? to exploit the linear features here. Well, we'll send the drone over 718 00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:51,448 there for sure. 719 00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:55,230 If the team can show something with more force and velocity than a weather 720 00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:57,930 balloon hit here, it would be a major discovery. 721 00:52:02,490 --> 00:52:06,590 Anytime there's differences in soil, different vegetation can arise. 722 00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:10,730 And if there's something that doesn't look natural in the vegetation that we 723 00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:13,270 pick up in the multispectral, we'll see that very well. 724 00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:17,680 So the drone is going back and forth, taking thousands of photos. Oh, cool. 725 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,680 Across parallel lines across the whole site. Yeah. 726 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:31,280 So here we have the aerial photography collected by the drone. Yeah. Along the 727 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,280 entire site. 728 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,680 Yeah. Then we can turn on the multispectral imaging. 729 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:39,800 So we have the red are little to no vegetation. 730 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,160 Uh -huh. Blue is going to be... 731 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,480 kind of dense vegetation and kind of everything in between. 732 00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:50,220 But after hours of searching, the team gets disappointing news. 733 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:56,840 At the moment, we're not picking up any distinct feature near the furrow. 734 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,520 So the multispectral imaging didn't really show any anomalies other than 735 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,020 trenches that we've already dug. Yeah, nothing that can't be unexplained at the 736 00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:10,700 moment. Yeah. The team concludes the archival image had a defect. 737 00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:15,300 What else can we throw at that puzzle to figure out what happened? 738 00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:18,160 Really, what we have right now is surface information. 739 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,380 So we need to get boots on the ground, get subsurface information. 740 00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:28,320 Next, Colin Myasga will use a magnetometer, a tool that can detect 741 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,360 the Earth's magnetic field. 742 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:36,320 So something really hot hit the Earth and heated up the surrounding soil. 743 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,100 It basically hits the reset button on the Earth's magnetic field. 744 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,460 of that soil and it'll take on the earth's magnetic field at the time as it 745 00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:46,460 cools back down. 746 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,780 So this thing's going to pick up anything with iron, magnetite. 747 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,060 And then what else do you have left in your toolbox? 748 00:53:53,320 --> 00:54:00,000 We've got the ground penetrating radar and the gamma ray spectrometer to 749 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,720 for radioactive material. 750 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,200 So anything that's been in really high altitude or space is going to be exposed 751 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,200 to a lot more radiation. 752 00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:13,090 That radiation is going to stay with that material, and then it's going to 753 00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:16,170 a strong signature when it hits the ground. It's going to stay there 754 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:31,350 Colin hopes to pick up a strong magnetic signal in the vicinity where rancher 755 00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:33,570 Mack Brazel first came across the debris. 756 00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:38,590 It's enough metal. 757 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:40,940 to basically max out the sensor. 758 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,040 We did find an interesting anomaly. 759 00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:47,520 As we were walking around, I was doing the magnetometer survey. 760 00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:51,160 So now this is the magnetometer. You see all these high spots? 761 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,540 Those are all the metal pins in the ground. They're really, really high 762 00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:57,660 responses. The most interesting thing was something up here. 763 00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:01,020 Definitely an interesting magnetic anomaly that I want to investigate. 764 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,540 So could this be one of those instances where the heat of an impact could... 765 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,700 Change the magnetism of the soil around it or beneath it? Potentially, yeah, 766 00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:12,780 absolutely. 767 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,940 Many hours into their search, Colin finds something exciting. 768 00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:21,320 A patch of ground with unusually high magnetic readings. 769 00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:26,460 It's an anomaly that could provide groundbreaking new evidence of what 770 00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:29,680 here. So given its possible depth, is that... 771 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,820 ages out of our 70 -year time span? 772 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:35,880 I won't be able to say until we start digging, and I'm going to leave that to 773 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,140 the archaeologists to start dating as they dig down. 774 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,880 So this was one of the high points, hovering between 10, 15 nanoteslas per 775 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,880 meter. 776 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,480 Colin marks the perimeter of the anomaly so that archaeologist Esperanza Juarez 777 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,200 can collect soil samples to analyze for radiation traces. 778 00:55:56,970 --> 00:56:03,310 Run your line along the major axis, definitely hitting right over top of 779 00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:09,250 spot. So the flag here outlines the general shape of the anomaly? 780 00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:15,750 Exactly. And, I don't know, conveniently enough, it's the same orientation as 781 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:20,790 Bill's original furrow. If we keep the UFO crash site in mind, it's like 782 00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:22,250 something hit here. 783 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,540 Maybe there was slightly more minerals that could become magnetized in this 784 00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:31,660 area, and then as it kind of skidded, it still was hot enough to cause that 785 00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:36,820 magnetization, but maybe there's just slightly less particles in that spot, so 786 00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:37,940 there's a slightly weaker signature. 787 00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:45,820 After stringing a grid across the site of the anomaly, Esperanza begins her 788 00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:50,900 work, collecting a range of samples and documenting the location of each. 789 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,520 The strongest signature was over in this square right here? Yes. Okay. 790 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,660 And then plus I've also taken a soil sample. 791 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,680 The team wants to rule out routine earthly causes for the anomaly. 792 00:57:05,580 --> 00:57:11,660 No clear signs of a campfire or like a prehistoric site or anything like that? 793 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,860 No. Yeah. So we've eliminated a volcanic anomaly. 794 00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:18,600 That's right. There's just no volcanic. 795 00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:21,860 We've eliminated a campfire anomaly. Yes, there's no fire heart. 796 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,760 So we're still looking at that. The most likely candidate for this anomaly right 797 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,880 now is the remnant magnetization due to heat. The soil will be able to tell you 798 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,960 the time frame. 799 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,480 So the idea is that we test the soil, and if the magnetism of that soil 800 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:46,600 1947, then we know that something potentially in impact froze its 801 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,600 1947. 802 00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:54,750 The soil and rock samples will be sent to a lab where they will be analyzed to 803 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:59,690 see if they contain metals not from this area and possibly not from this world. 804 00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:13,530 While he waits for the soil analysis to be completed, Ben goes to visit the 805 00:58:13,530 --> 00:58:17,770 grandson of Mack Brazel, the rancher who took his sheep into the field looking 806 00:58:17,770 --> 00:58:19,750 for water but found crash debris. 807 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,240 It was Mack who alerted the military, and according to local legend, was then 808 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,360 detained and threatened to keep quiet. 809 00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:33,840 Joe Brazel lives a few miles outside of Roswell and has avoided journalists and 810 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:34,840 researchers for years. 811 00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:40,920 With no proof about what crashed, spaceship, weather balloon, or something 812 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:45,940 Ben believes Joe might have a piece of the puzzle that could help unravel the 813 00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:47,180 mystery of Roswell. 814 00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:51,790 taking the time to meet with me. 815 00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:58,310 Joe rarely talks about how the Roswell incident impacted his family, but he's 816 00:58:58,310 --> 00:58:59,310 agreed to meet me. 817 00:58:59,350 --> 00:59:04,090 The Roswell incident recently has popped up in my research as one of the more 818 00:59:04,090 --> 00:59:06,230 credible phenomenon to investigate. 819 00:59:06,490 --> 00:59:12,990 And in particular, the first people to encounter the debris on the field, your 820 00:59:12,990 --> 00:59:15,810 grandfather, Mac, being the... 821 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:22,560 You know, patient zero, the first person to encounter this debris, makes people 822 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,000 close to him especially important to the investigation. 823 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,200 And I would love to hear about some of the details you inherited from your 824 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,860 father and from your grandfather, Mac. 825 00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:36,100 Well, everything I heard was from my dad. 826 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,100 Okay. You know, he told me what he knew and what he experienced with it. 827 00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:47,210 And then, you know, what had Mack, you know, the few things that he said after 828 00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:48,490 he came back from Roswell. 829 00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:53,790 I think if you really want to hear what my dad had to say, you know, we have a 830 00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,290 clip that you can watch, you know, and then we can talk a little bit more about 831 00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:59,570 it after that. Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to hear. 832 01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:06,110 Joe Brazel's dad, Bill, was Mack's son. 833 01:00:06,550 --> 01:00:09,690 He was interviewed in 1989 by Japanese television. 834 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,880 I was not out at the ranch at the time, and I picked up an Albuquerque paper, 835 01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:21,720 and here's my dad's picture looking at me, and I thought, well, I wonder what 836 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,720 he's done now. 837 01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:28,960 My dad was living in Albuquerque, and once he found out about it, well, he 838 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,960 to the ranch because he knew that his dad was gone, and he went down there to 839 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,260 actually take care of the stock, and the Army had it blocked off. 840 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,960 They had a detachment out there picking up the pieces and everything, and 841 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,960 wouldn't let him in. 842 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,260 The Air Force had asked him to stay in Roswell. 843 01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:51,860 And I went out to the ranch and stayed until he got back. 844 01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:58,940 And I asked him what he'd got into, and, 845 01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:02,520 oh, he says, I found a bunch of trash. 846 01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:11,490 And I kept asking him questions, and he said, well, he said, I told the Air 847 01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:12,790 Force I wouldn't tell anybody. 848 01:01:13,230 --> 01:01:15,130 He said, you're probably better off without knowing. 849 01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:22,030 After the Army did their thing and, you know, Dad was down there helping Mac on 850 01:01:22,030 --> 01:01:26,610 the ranch, you know, rainstorms or whatever they'd be riding, they'd see a 851 01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:27,870 little piece and he'd pick it up. 852 01:01:28,450 --> 01:01:32,610 So, and of course, riding horseback, you see lots of things, you know. 853 01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:34,850 And I picked up a few scraps. 854 01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:55,120 His description of some of this stuff is like tinfoil, but it was, you know, 855 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,500 just a lot tougher. 856 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,900 This is the way my dad put it to me. 857 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,640 It's material that he never saw before or ever saw again. 858 01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:15,840 Bill Brazel's decision to collect his own souvenirs eventually brought the 859 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,000 military to his door, just as it had with his father. 860 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,560 The debris was confiscated, and military police told him to keep quiet about 861 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,320 what he knew and had seen, or he would face arrest. 862 01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:33,160 The debris that he had collected was confiscated by the... 863 01:02:33,930 --> 01:02:38,330 by the military police or somebody from the base. He just said two guys in a 864 01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:39,770 car. Two guys in a car. 865 01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:44,150 That's all he ever told me. He didn't say whether they were government. He 866 01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:48,730 said that there was two guys that showed up in a car and they said they weren't 867 01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:51,870 going to take it, but they weren't leaving without it. Did they ever 868 01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:52,870 themselves? No. 869 01:02:53,950 --> 01:02:59,650 You know, and the other thing you've got to understand is that Mac gave his word 870 01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:00,790 he wouldn't talk about it. 871 01:03:01,630 --> 01:03:06,710 And his dad, if he gave his word, that kind of extended to him as well. Right. 872 01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:15,090 I don't mean to misinterpret your father's claims, but I did want to ask, 873 01:03:15,090 --> 01:03:18,430 there anything ever in your life that would make you question what your dad 874 01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:24,350 No. Nothing about his character, nothing about his mental stability or his 875 01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:25,610 emotions? No. 876 01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:29,630 Okay. I like to explain my dad this way and myself. 877 01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:32,020 What you see is what you get. 878 01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:38,140 He's not going to tell you something to your face that isn't true or, you know, 879 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,580 tell you something and then go tell somebody else something else. Right. 880 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:48,580 Yeah. There's a rumored intelligence, as we say in the business, that Mac or 881 01:03:48,580 --> 01:03:52,020 your Bill, your dad, hid some of the material on their property. 882 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,360 And some might even claim here on this property. 883 01:03:57,290 --> 01:04:00,650 One of the most persistent rumors about Joe's father is that despite 884 01:04:00,650 --> 01:04:04,790 surrendering the cigar box, he managed to hide a few shards of the wreckage 885 01:04:04,790 --> 01:04:06,290 somewhere on this property. 886 01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:11,950 To just get a little more specific, I think there was a claim at one point 887 01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:17,990 there was perhaps some debris buried under a cement slab on the old Brazel 888 01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:18,990 property. Yeah. 889 01:04:19,350 --> 01:04:22,730 And I wanted to know, is there any truth to that story? 890 01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:25,350 Why don't I just show you where that slab is? 891 01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:26,670 Lead the way. 892 01:04:27,070 --> 01:04:31,110 If Joe still has a piece of what he believes his dad took from the debris 893 01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:33,510 it could be a bombshell development. 894 01:04:33,850 --> 01:04:36,710 They hid it underneath this house, right here. 895 01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:45,470 Investigator Ben Smith is meeting with Joe Brazel, the reclusive grandson of 896 01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:50,070 Mack Brazel, the rancher who first stumbled upon the mysterious crash 897 01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:54,710 Roswell, but never spoke publicly about how the Army threatened him into 898 01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:59,260 silence. He said he gave his word that he wouldn't talk about it, and he said 899 01:04:59,260 --> 01:05:00,800 very little about it after that. 900 01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:06,800 Jesse Marcel also never disclosed everything he'd seen or the full story 901 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,360 cover -up. They hid it underneath this house. 902 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:15,920 Meanwhile, back in New York, handwriting expert Jennifer Nasso is doing a test 903 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,080 to try and authenticate the journal that belonged to Marcel and could contain 904 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,040 the secrets of Roswell. 905 01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:29,040 This is the journal I was given as a question document to compare the 906 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,600 handwriting of Jesse Marcel. 907 01:05:30,860 --> 01:05:35,560 But it's not just handwriting. I'm looking at a lot of elements to help try 908 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,600 solve this puzzle. 909 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,240 The first thing I do is I look at the paper. 910 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:47,360 I use specialized equipment in order to analyze what might be in the paper, and 911 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,220 that might help to date the document. 912 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,400 I then look under my microscope. 913 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,160 and determine what type of writing instrument was used to create this 914 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,880 In order to conduct a handwriting analysis, I do a side -by -side 915 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,840 between the question and the known, in this particular case, Jesse Marcel, and 916 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,320 determine whether or not there are similarities or differences. 917 01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:16,780 For example, the formation of the lowercase p had a very tall introduction 918 01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:21,440 stroke, which dropped down below the baseline and then wrapped around to form 919 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,440 the bowl of the p. 920 01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:28,130 And that P is found throughout the entirety of the question document. 921 01:06:29,350 --> 01:06:33,530 Jennifer Nasso is trying to determine whether the journal is genuine or fake. 922 01:06:33,830 --> 01:06:38,970 The first step before decoding its meaning to learn if it might change what 923 01:06:38,970 --> 01:06:39,970 know about Roswell. 924 01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:44,050 Back in New Mexico. 925 01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:46,770 So tell me a little bit more about this house here. 926 01:06:47,030 --> 01:06:52,110 This house was built in 1902, so it's kind of in rough shape. 927 01:06:52,430 --> 01:06:55,850 Smith has reached what he hopes will be the most interesting part of his visit. 928 01:06:56,030 --> 01:06:59,830 I asked Joe about the rumor that there might still be some debris hidden on his 929 01:06:59,830 --> 01:07:05,630 property. The story goes that Bill Brazel, Joe's dad, might have kept some 930 01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:07,050 the debris as souvenirs. 931 01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:11,150 Some researchers have claimed that your father or Mac might have buried 932 01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:13,410 something or hidden it under a cement slab. 933 01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:18,610 Yeah. Well, I can show you right here. This is where the rumor was that this 934 01:07:18,610 --> 01:07:21,030 house, they hid it underneath this house. 935 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,860 And as you can see right here, there is no foundation. 936 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,240 There is no cement slab under this house. 937 01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:35,380 Yeah, looks like dirt under there. It is. In fact, when this house was first 938 01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:42,220 built, of course they put the hardwood floors in, but this is built on the 939 01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:48,520 dirt. The only slab that was ever put in this house as far as this. 940 01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:53,680 rock slab right here for the old fireplace. 941 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,260 Yeah. That's it. 942 01:07:55,580 --> 01:08:00,480 And there's nothing under there. That's on dirt. It's been there since 1902, 943 01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:02,800 long before the UFO. 944 01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:07,200 Yeah. I could put the rumor to rest that there's nothing underneath the cement 945 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,980 slab here because there is no cement slab. 946 01:08:12,620 --> 01:08:14,680 There's no truth to that rumor whatsoever. 947 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,680 When they took that cigar box he had, they took everything he had. 948 01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:23,890 I guarantee you if there had been something buried underneath this house, 949 01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:25,410 would have dug it up a long time ago. 950 01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:31,069 How do you think the rumor about debris hidden under this cement slab that is 951 01:08:31,069 --> 01:08:35,050 not here sort of impacted the way your dad approached this story? 952 01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:39,890 What it did was it put a fear into him that, you know, something might happen 953 01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:40,890 one of his family members. 954 01:08:41,149 --> 01:08:45,910 Yeah. Because they, you know, they focus on the monetary and think he has a 955 01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:47,750 piece of it and it's worth so much money. 956 01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:54,300 Right. So he got real reluctant about talking about it, and therefore you 957 01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:58,740 really get at the truth because you're always trying to fight and debunk the 958 01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:01,460 rumors. You've confirmed a lot of things for me that I think is pretty 959 01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:06,399 fascinating. One, the integrity and the quality of the person that your father 960 01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,220 and your grandfather, the people that they were. 961 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:14,540 And two, that you've confirmed some things in the timeline for me that make 962 01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:16,160 think that it's reasonable for me. 963 01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:19,630 to continue the search, continue to use resources. 964 01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:23,310 Well, something's happened, because they've spent a lot of money trying to 965 01:09:23,310 --> 01:09:27,270 figure out what happened, and they've spent a lot of money hiding what really 966 01:09:27,270 --> 01:09:28,269 did happen. 967 01:09:28,270 --> 01:09:32,890 Is there any other information that I could use to help me in my investigation 968 01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:35,010 to get to that ground -level truth? 969 01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:40,670 There's some other people you can talk to, but I don't feel comfortable telling 970 01:09:40,670 --> 01:09:41,830 you on camera. 971 01:09:42,130 --> 01:09:44,229 Okay. Would you mind... 972 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,340 type in their names into my phone, so at least I can... I'll give you one name. 973 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,340 Joe Brazel doesn't have any crash debris, but he does have something else. 974 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,460 The name of someone Ben Smith has never heard of. Someone Smith hopes can bring 975 01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:05,960 this investigation closer to the truth. 976 01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:19,200 Following up on a promising lead from Joe Brazel, Ben Smith is on his way to a 977 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,940 senior center in the farming community closest to where the debris was found. 978 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,800 He hopes the local residents who gather for lunch every day will have memories 979 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,000 they'd be willing to share. 980 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,020 Well, I've got all the village elders. 981 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,300 around the table here today. I wanted to learn a little bit more about your 982 01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:40,280 perspective on what happened, you know, in that early July 1947. 983 01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:45,240 My father -in -law, he was on top of a windmill tower working. 984 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,800 And this was about the same time that this supposed incident happened. 985 01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:56,440 He said there was something that came at him out of the sky. 986 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,640 There was really no noise. 987 01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:03,780 And he was afraid it was fixing to cut his head off, so he went running down 988 01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:04,780 windmill. 989 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:10,280 And he said it was just a flash. It was there, and he just liked to never get 990 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:15,440 out of the way quick enough. And then whenever he looked up, it was going 991 01:11:15,980 --> 01:11:20,260 That's a story that I have not heard in connection to these events before. It 992 01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:24,980 hasn't been out a whole lot, but he's far behind. And when this man said 993 01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:28,740 something, he was truthful. 994 01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:32,400 I have a lot of questions. There's some characters here that are involved in 995 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,300 this incident in 1947. Do you remember Mac Brazel? I'm not sure. 996 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,940 That's the one that told him about the UFO phone? 997 01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:43,200 I remember Mac. Oh, you do? Yeah. Can you tell me what you remember about Mac? 998 01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:44,340 He was a cowboy. 999 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,200 Mac had a reputation for being honest. 1000 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,180 He had a reputation for working hard. 1001 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,620 He just was a hardworking cowboy. 1002 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,600 Cheryl Perkins' parents. 1003 01:11:57,100 --> 01:12:00,900 owned the drugstore from which Mack Brazel called the sheriff to report 1004 01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:03,800 some strange crash debris in his grazing fields. 1005 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,960 Mack Brazel goes to the Dubois Pharmacy, and he makes the phone call with your 1006 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,620 mother, Geraldine. 1007 01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:17,100 Mack calls the sheriff, and from there, that's really the first time that 1008 01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,460 information gets transmitted to the public. 1009 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,840 I'm curious whether you overheard any of these details and what you recall from 1010 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,420 that whole sequence of events. 1011 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:31,420 But I remember conversations about it, but probably was not there when that 1012 01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:32,219 was made. 1013 01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:36,680 Okay. The main thing that I remember my parents talking about was they certainly 1014 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,140 believed that something happened. 1015 01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:43,660 Do you recall your mother ever talking to Mack Brazel about what he saw out in 1016 01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:47,700 the field? I think that that did not happen. Oh, really? It would have been 1017 01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:53,280 natural for him to have followed up with, yeah, I had to go to Roswell and 1018 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,280 for three nights. 1019 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,780 Or, yeah, I did this. Or, yeah, I did that. 1020 01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:59,620 He didn't say anything. 1021 01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:04,860 It just didn't stand to reason that they wouldn't have talked about it. Right. 1022 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,360 So something happened after they took him to Roswell. 1023 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,100 My daddy was a World War II veteran. 1024 01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:17,400 And when the government says you don't talk about something, you didn't talk 1025 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,400 about anything. 1026 01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:21,920 And that was my theory as to why they did. 1027 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,440 It was never talked about. The ethos, the attitude at the time, like you said, 1028 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,540 was, look, this is your duty not to say anything and to follow orders, and so 1029 01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:33,440 keep your mouth quiet about anything that might have happened here. 1030 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:36,660 And the general attitude was it was not a weather balloon. 1031 01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:41,260 If there was anything, it wasn't that. It was not a weather balloon. No, it was 1032 01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:42,940 not. And what about the Proctor family? 1033 01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:47,120 Well, Dee Proctor was in my class. 1034 01:13:47,340 --> 01:13:50,140 Started first grade together and graduated from high school together. 1035 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,580 Dee Proctor was the young boy who was with Mack Brazel when he found the 1036 01:13:55,580 --> 01:14:00,700 wreckage. Brazel would allegedly take Dee home and show his mother some of 1037 01:14:00,700 --> 01:14:01,700 they found. 1038 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:08,600 There was some metallic -looking stuff that when you crushed it, it just 1039 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,740 straightened right back out. It wouldn't, you know, wouldn't stay 1040 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:17,300 Well, we told him it was probably a UFO and he should report it. 1041 01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:20,460 Dee was seven when all of this happened. 1042 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:28,440 And Dee's sister told me for positive sure that he was with 1043 01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:34,340 Mack Brazel. Looking back on it and knowing for sure that Dee was with Mack, 1044 01:14:34,340 --> 01:14:36,440 never ever talked about it. 1045 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,580 So that makes me think for sure something happened. 1046 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,720 I do believe that people purposely kept quiet about what happened because I 1047 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,720 think they were probably threatened by the government. 1048 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:55,180 Or their sense of patriotic duty was appealed to and they said, don't say 1049 01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:59,660 anything about this because if it's true and they were truly aliens, then we 1050 01:14:59,660 --> 01:15:01,920 think everybody is going to panic. 1051 01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:10,540 Has anybody that you know personally ever claimed to have found a piece of 1052 01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:17,380 debris? I do know one name of a man who supposedly had several pieces 1053 01:15:17,380 --> 01:15:18,920 of debris. Uh -huh. 1054 01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:23,220 And I haven't heard his name mentioned at all today, so I'm not mentioning it 1055 01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:24,220 either. 1056 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,560 Why the hesitancy to share with me his name? 1057 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:29,800 It's privacy. 1058 01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:34,940 Yeah. I don't know I can ask if they would be willing to talk, but I can bet 1059 01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:35,940 that they would not. 1060 01:15:35,980 --> 01:15:40,460 Yeah. Well, put in a good word for me. I will. Just, you know, if you could. I 1061 01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:45,900 will. We're still pretty private about protecting the people who have been most 1062 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:46,900 affected. 1063 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,400 As I was leaving, one of the seniors slipped me the name of someone related 1064 01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,400 another eyewitness. 1065 01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,160 The Roswell incident is like an intricate puzzle, and I finally feel 1066 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,740 pieces are starting to fall into place. 1067 01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:15,640 Investigator Ben Smith heads to the office of handwriting expert Jennifer 1068 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,620 who has spent nearly a month. 1069 01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:23,100 doing a forensic examination of the journal to find out if it is genuine or 1070 01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:24,100 fake. 1071 01:16:24,380 --> 01:16:29,240 With him is Jesse Marcel's grandson, who believes the journal may contain the 1072 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,500 intelligence officer's coded secrets about what really happened at Roswell. 1073 01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:40,460 It's fascinating and potentially helpful to solving, you know, for me, the 1074 01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:42,500 larger story about the Roswell incident. 1075 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,000 I just can't imagine he wouldn't leave some kind of evidence. 1076 01:16:47,890 --> 01:16:52,990 some writings of some kind about what was a very, very important event. 1077 01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:56,970 Right. This might be that piece of the puzzle. 1078 01:17:02,610 --> 01:17:03,610 Jennifer? Hi. 1079 01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:07,770 Hey. Nice to see you again. Good to see you. This is Jesse. Hi, Jesse. Jennifer 1080 01:17:07,770 --> 01:17:09,150 Natham. I see you. Jennifer Natham, too. 1081 01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:12,270 Follow me. I'll show you what I've been doing. Great. 1082 01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:16,890 So I looked at the writing. 1083 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,580 ink lines of every passage in the journal. 1084 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,060 And I'll show you under magnification. 1085 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,240 You can see a little bit better image of the ink line. 1086 01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:34,280 This is consistent with non -ballpoint pen ink. Oh, okay. And the way I can 1087 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,160 is you can see the ink line, how the ink kind of bleeds into the paper fibers. 1088 01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:43,020 Sure. Whereas in ballpoint pen, the pen ink is more viscous. And so it kind of 1089 01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,800 sits a little bit more on top of the paper. 1090 01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,640 Here is an example of ballpoint pen ink. 1091 01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,500 And the characteristics commonly seen with ballpoint pen ink is you don't see 1092 01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:59,260 that ink bleed into the paper and kind of sits more on top and has a sheen to 1093 01:17:59,260 --> 01:18:04,280 it. And on curvatures, you see what we call burst striations that move from 1094 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,560 inside to outside on a curve. 1095 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,760 So what I'm seeing throughout the document is that the entirety of the 1096 01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,020 is created with that non -ballpoint. 1097 01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:18,340 pen ink that is consistent with the time period which this document is totally 1098 01:18:18,340 --> 01:18:24,020 created yes the next thing i looked at was the paper itself and what i'm 1099 01:18:24,020 --> 01:18:28,800 for are optical brighteners optical brighteners are added in the paper 1100 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:34,340 manufacturing process and it makes the paper look nice and bright 1101 01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:40,100 So the way to look for optical brighteners is to look under UV 1102 01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:44,320 what should happen if it contains optical brighteners is that the paper 1103 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:51,200 luminize. It should glow under UV. Here I'll put the journal in so 1104 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:57,340 you can see. And just to give you a comparison, I'll put a document which I 1105 01:18:57,340 --> 01:19:00,300 contains optical brighteners under, right on top. Wow. 1106 01:19:01,230 --> 01:19:03,630 So that technology began in around 1950. 1107 01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:07,050 Correct. Well, that makes sense because I think the last date that I saw in the 1108 01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:12,190 journal was like 1948. So professional opinion and the evidence showing that it 1109 01:19:12,190 --> 01:19:14,450 was created before 1950 anyway. 1110 01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:18,370 Yes. It is consistent with documents that were produced during that time 1111 01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:22,750 Great. Okay. So did you find anything like a watermark that might... 1112 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,380 also provide clues about the time period? 1113 01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:32,140 Right. So there is no logos or insignia on either cover or in the pages which 1114 01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:35,280 would indicate the company that manufactured this document. 1115 01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:38,820 However, when I looked with transmitted light shining through the document, 1116 01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:41,760 there is a watermark present on the document. 1117 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:49,660 In looking at... Oh, yeah, I see it. You can see the watermark. And on the top, 1118 01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:50,700 looking through... 1119 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,740 several pages and being able to piece it together. The top actually says 1120 01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:58,300 Juniata, J -U -N -I -A -T -A. 1121 01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:04,180 So curiosity got the better of me. And a quick Internet search revealed that 1122 01:20:04,180 --> 01:20:06,200 Juniata is a university in Pennsylvania. 1123 01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:09,700 Interesting. That was the area where my grandfather went to intelligence school. 1124 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:10,920 In Pennsylvania. 1125 01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:12,900 He went to intelligence school in Pennsylvania. 1126 01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:16,240 He was actually a member in the very first class of the very first 1127 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,280 school. Oh, really? 1128 01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:21,210 finished that class, he turned around and they had him teach that class. Oh, I 1129 01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:22,068 did read that. 1130 01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:24,990 And again, it was right in the same area where this paper came from. And that 1131 01:20:24,990 --> 01:20:25,990 was in what year? 1132 01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:29,750 1940? It had to have been 41, 42, something like that. Yeah, it was after 1133 01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:33,470 war had already started. Exactly, yeah. He joined really right after Pearl 1134 01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:37,230 Harbor. To sum up, this document does appear to be consistent. 1135 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,580 with the time period with which it's reported to be written. It's half the 1136 01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:42,419 battle right there. 1137 01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:47,500 So I did a handwriting comparison with the journal and the known specimens I 1138 01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:48,500 for Jesse Marcel. 1139 01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,900 Now, I will say that in flipping through the journals, the handwriting did 1140 01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:56,980 appear to be freely and naturally executed. 1141 01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,740 It does not appear to be deliberate or hesitant in its execution. 1142 01:21:02,140 --> 01:21:03,520 There is one feature. 1143 01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:09,520 that I'll point out, and that is the capital letter M, where it is written 1144 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,360 almost like three sevens attached. 1145 01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:15,720 So this is in the printed section. 1146 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,560 This M does appear in the cursive section from time to time. 1147 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,480 Oh, it's just like it. 1148 01:21:27,820 --> 01:21:29,440 It is stunning news. 1149 01:21:29,780 --> 01:21:33,500 Both the cursive script and the print were written by the same person. 1150 01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:35,650 The journal is genuine. 1151 01:21:37,530 --> 01:21:40,570 Next on Roswell, the first witness. 1152 01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:44,350 The Roswell incident is real. 1153 01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:47,790 The investigation moves into uncharted territory. 1154 01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:51,630 It negates the skeptical arguments about the Roswell case. 1155 01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:54,870 With new leads that have never been explored before. 1156 01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:59,630 Actually raises more questions than answers, though. Was the mysterious 1157 01:21:59,630 --> 01:22:02,310 Jesse Marcel kept secret, written in code? 1158 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,280 To hide its meaning from the government? 1159 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,400 To a cryptographer, this indicates a certain kind of cipher. 1160 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,740 Or was it something more sinister that forced Jesse Marcel into silence? He 1161 01:22:12,740 --> 01:22:16,120 said, there are things that this world is not ready for. 1162 01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:21,220 The impact site. The remains of the craft and the bodies recovered. 1163 01:22:21,940 --> 01:22:25,360 What else was Jesse Marcel hiding from the world? 1164 01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:32,870 The investigation uncovers shocking possibilities. 1165 01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:36,310 You think the debris could still be at the house? I know it could be. 1166 01:22:36,850 --> 01:22:40,450 Could it change what we know about Roswell? 1167 01:22:41,250 --> 01:22:42,550 I'm Lawrence Fishburne. 1168 01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:45,750 Thanks for watching History's Greatest Mysteries. 106442

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