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Previously on The Hack.
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So, Nick Davis and the Guardian are
losing the exclusive, but winning the
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Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have
been in touch with us at Panorama. It's
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the hacking stuff, but there's also this
story on Jonathan Rees that they've
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been pushing.
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We found invoices on his desk.
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Rees, the Alex Maranchuk, and the News
of the World. While Andy Coulson was the
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end of them.
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There was a name that appeared in the
top corner of Glenn's notes.
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Ian Edmondson. Ian Edmondson? You
reported directly to Coulson?
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Someone I wanted to meet.
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David Cook, Golden Brown.
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I'm interested to hear more about what's
happened to you.
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I, uh, I think I might be able to help.
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I, uh, are you going to find a walk -in?
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No.
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Do you have a favourite spot?
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Hill walking in Arran, sir.
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You don't need to call me sir.
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Policeman's habit.
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Well, I like Arran.
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Particularly in the... And this might
point to a certain masochistic quality
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my part.
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Particularly in the wintertime.
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Well, it's the colours.
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Arran in the winter.
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Well, we shall have to go.
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You can show me the route.
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Oh, you're making me quite homesick.
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No, surely you can get up there more
often now you're not... Now that I don't
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have a job?
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No, I didn't mean... I should be able
to, shouldn't I? And yet I keep being
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dragged back to London.
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Glenn has told me something about what
happened to you. Your, uh, your story.
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Okay.
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The intrusion.
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The surveillance. The, uh, the meeting
with Rebecca Brooks.
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It sounds a merry mess.
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Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes.
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I should know.
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Oh, well, we all do.
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We all do.
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My father was a minister, as I think you
know, in the Church of Scotland. He
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would hear everyone's stories.
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It's a great feeling on my part that I
don't have the time nor the patience
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he does, so I think it's my
responsibility to tell you why your
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unusual story mattered to me.
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It's because...
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It's because I think this country has
become polluted and I think that we
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all, should all, try to do something
about it, don't you?
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You've read the pieces in The Guardian
about the hacking?
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Yeah, an excellent one.
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Did you read the pieces in The New York
Times too?
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I did. And you know the work that Glenn
is doing at Panorama?
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Yeah.
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Rupert Murdoch.
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is trying to take control of BSkyB. If
he does that, it's a valuable
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organization, and he will leverage the
value of it to accumulate the debt
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to buy a huge multinational company,
perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
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He'll have control of our media
landscape and a good hold of America.
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He needs to be stopped.
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I agree.
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I will tell you my stories, and you will
tell me yours.
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And then perhaps, David,
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Perhaps we can work out how to help each
other.
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What do you say?
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What do you want me to say?
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Into the shark's cage.
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I don't think they'll be providing us
with cages tonight.
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You're late. Wouldn't a helpful press
award are a good idea? A narcissist who
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realized it's an industry full of
narcissists who pay to be rewarded for
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narcissism. I can't be here.
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Look over there.
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Things of the world.
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You know, they actually have members of
staff under arrest and many more being
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investigated. Brass neck on them is
ridiculous.
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So the least I can attempt is some neck.
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No, I just want you here. You think
we're going to win something?
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You're mad. Everyone here hates us. I
want you here because I want us to lose
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with dignity.
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Together.
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I've missed you.
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I feel itchy. I hate this shirt. Well,
it makes you look extremely handsome.
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Oh, well.
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Now, I have to go and play nice with
some rich board members.
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But please remember, these people,
they're more frightened of you than you
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of them. Oh, there's a difference
between hate and fear.
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Ladies and gentlemen, your attention
please.
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Before our awards start this evening, we
have a special update from journalist
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Nick Davies.
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On Wednesday the 26th of January, News
International passed Scotland Yard three
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email messages which they claimed to
have only just discovered in Ian
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Edmondson's computer, and Ian Edmondson
was sacked.
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Once in receipt of these emails,
Scotland Yard announced a new inquiry.
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Operation Wheating under the command of
Sue Aples.
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I dismissed Wheating as a PR move by the
Met until on the 9th of February they
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released a statement.
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The new evidence recently provided by
News International is being considered
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alongside material already in the
Metropolitan Police Service's
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Couldn't be.
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They weren't finally going to
investigate the last four years of their
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incompetence. All actions and decisions
by the previous investigation are being
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reviewed. What were they?
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Were we winning, finally?
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I certainly didn't feel like a winner.
Show business, shall we? And the award
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for showbiz reporter of the year goes
to... It's Stephen Moyes of the News of
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the World!
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Congratulations, Stephen.
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and the award for News Reporter of the
Year goes to... It's the fake Sheikh
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Mazam Amr for the News of the World.
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The Scoop of the Year now. The Scoop of
the Year is awarded to the News of the
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World for its excellent coverage of the
cricket corruption scandal.
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And the award goes to... The News of the
World!
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The News of the World!
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OK, the moment we've all been waiting
for. It's the big one. The Newspaper of
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the Year.
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Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to,
for what the judges say is a paper
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completely unafraid to take on the
powers that be.
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So, the Newspaper of the Year award goes
to... The Guardian!
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Jackie Ames? Yes.
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My name is D .S. Slater.
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This is D .C. Grossman.
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Is it David?
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David Cook?
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No. Well, I suppose, in a way, yes. We
are here investigating.
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We're part of a new operation.
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Operation Wheating?
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We're investigating allegations of phone
hacking.
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Do you work for Johnny Eats?
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No, we're part of the Special Crime
Directorate.
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Under the command of Deputy Assistant
Commissioner Akers.
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Great, thank you. You were found in the
notebooks of Glenmill Care.
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This doesn't surprise me.
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We'd like you to take a look at these
details.
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Is this your police payroll and warrant
numbers?
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Yes.
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How did he have these?
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That's where I lived in 1977.
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Is this where you worked in 2002?
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Yes. And this phone number, this is...
This is correct, yeah.
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There's information here that could only
have come from my police personnel
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file.
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Yeah, we, um... That's what we think.
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Someone within the Met sold him my
information.
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David's information.
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It's, um...
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Is it possible?
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When was this known?
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I'm sorry?
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When did the Metropolitan Police have
this information?
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A notebook was taken from Eau Claire in
2006.
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2006?
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Yeah. And the Metro was neither too
informing nor investigate this
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possible corruption.
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Well, that's... That's what we're trying
to do now, Mum.
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Glenn Campbell.
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Luke Davis. Hi.
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Honour and a privilege.
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I hear that you're not well liked at
Panorama.
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I hear you're adored at the Guardian.
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So, who do you usually meet here?
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Is this where you meet criminals or
politicians?
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I float between cafes and pubs like a
butterfly at a festival.
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I liked the panorama on Alex Marinchak.
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It wasn't one of mine.
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You helped a lot. It was good.
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You've got some particularly great hits
in on Jonathan Rees. I really liked your
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piece on him, too.
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Mr. A.
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Very good.
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You writing more?
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No.
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I'm... Didn't Dave say I'm out?
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Coulson's gone. It's as far as I can go.
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Don't look like that.
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An engineer death, but something.
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I wanted people to take it seriously.
They didn't. So I'm handing everything
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Trying to persuade Ireland to give me
Belgium.
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I gave you newspaper of the year.
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That was for the Guardian, not me. I
lost my category.
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You're getting somewhere, Nick. I got
somewhere.
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Look, I know this must have cost you.
Cost me in the heart of it.
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But no one...
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No one cared. The whole industry turned
away like a complete snake.
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What if I said I came to see you today
with an agenda?
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I'm friends with Claire Rue Castle
-Brown, the journalist and sister -in
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Gordon Brown. He's leaning in. I took
Dave to see him, and he now wants to
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you.
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Gordon Brown?
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Gordon's been looking at your work, and
he thinks there's a way to use it to go
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further.
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Come on, Nick.
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What's meeting him going to cost you?
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Well, it's wonderful to have you all
here. Thank you, Claire and Glenn, for
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organising it.
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You know, I have such respect for the
work of everyone in this room.
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And I used to be Prime Minister. There,
does that start us off?
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Yes.
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Just about.
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The Murdoch B -Sky B -Bid would be a
disaster for our country. This hacking
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investigation needs better scrutiny than
people have chosen to give it. If
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people understood, properly understood
the hacking, what was happening with
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hacking, it may mean they rethink the B
-Sky B -Bid.
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We have a shared objective.
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How we achieve that objective is, well,
I increasingly believe, as it is clear,
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and Tom, would be best achieved
together.
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And perhaps everyone would like some
tea.
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And perhaps everyone would like some
tea.
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That's it, that's it, I'll pour.
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No, I'll pour.
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Right.
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Who would like to begin?
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Well, maybe I should speak first.
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I was recently interrupted in an
investigation room and shown details of
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in Operation Wheating that were.
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Well, the level of intrusion was
troubling.
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It's just possible that Operation
Wheating is the first Met Op to be run
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properly. Well, the secret is John Yates
hasn't been running it.
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Good. Good. So, how do we help them?
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Where will they struggle?
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Well, we have to get them to include
Jonathan Rees.
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It makes no sense to tackle Mulcair and
not Rees.
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I've got invoices to show that they were
both up to exactly the same activities.
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Prepare me a file and I'll send it to
Sue Akers.
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Is it that simple?
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Well, I have access to Sue through the
Select Committee. I can't promise
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results, but it's a start, no?
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Sue and I were DSs at the same time.
I've already asked her to expand the
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of the investigation, but... It'll mean
more coming from a parliamentary
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perspective.
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Good.
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What else?
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You seem to all be constantly looking at
me surprised.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem
we have is that the police,
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politicians, and press are all
collaborating under Murdoch's aegis.
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We are also made up of police,
politicians, and press.
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I'm not official opposition, if you
like.
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So, let's talk.
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What do we need to do?
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You are...
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Are you having a nice time?
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Uh, what?
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You know, you're a remarkable
campaigner, Mick. Did you ever consider
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politics?
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Um... Well, I don't know. I don't know.
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Why would you say that?
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Perhaps a bit too suspicious of other
people to be a politician.
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Something I struggle with myself
sometimes.
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And, uh... And I believe it because I've
seen it.
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On this case.
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You're not sure whether I mean this, are
you?
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Sorry?
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You don't trust me?
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I think this is the ball that I picked
up that I will quickly drop.
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You're saying you won't drop the ball?
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You know, they, um... They came at me in
every way, as you might expect.
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They blagged my lawyer.
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They procured my family's medical
information, and they, um... This is
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something. They impersonated me to get
into my building society account.
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That's a lot.
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I tried to hold a judicial inquiry into
phone hacking in, let's see now, autumn
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2009. After I read a piece of yours,
that was my first article.
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The civil service resisted it, I think
is a kind term.
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It did not meet the tests of public
concern.
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You know, everyone thinks I'm close to
Rupert. He's very adept at that. He
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quietly, you know all this. He rarely
disagrees. He asks questions and...
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He makes everyone feel interesting.
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It fascinates me how the powerful let
him in.
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I wasn't as good at that game as Tony.
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When he came for me, and he did, I was
unprepared.
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Whether it was how I bowed my head at
the cenotaph or how I wrote to the
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grieving mothers of dead soldiers.
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Yes, I remember.
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You know, I rang Rupert.
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To tell him that his papers were
damaging morale in Afghanistan. As Prime
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Minister, I was asking people to fight,
to risk, and he was telling them article
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after article that I was casual with
their lives, with soldiers' lives, that
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didn't care, to undermine that, to make
those young people feel
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undervalued by their government.
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Which is not right.
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Sometimes you can tell that you're the
son of a preacher.
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You know he wants everything.
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His ambition is limitless.
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But he's overstepped here.
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And badly.
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We can, and we should, do something
important to counter him.
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But they started with you.
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And it's going to need to end with you.
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All of which is to say...
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We need you, Nick.
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Dave?
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Dave? Yes, sir.
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How's life at soccer?
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We're getting somewhere.
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Did I hear you've been giving orders to
GCHQ? That must be fun.
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It's a bit more complicated than that.
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What can I do for you, John?
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Would you mind popping in a mic for a
minute?
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Sure.
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Internal investigations caught an email
coming from your computer to Mike
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Sullivan at the Sun.
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Which email?
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So why is this a problem?
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I said you'd rather be told it by me.
Well, and he was useful in morgue, and
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he's still useful now. I mean, you've
got a good relationship with him
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haven't you? I also have one or two
questions about the Panorama programme
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went out.
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Yep. I believe you're friends with Glen
Campbell at Panorama.
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Pardon me? Do you think you could ask
him?
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Have we got footage of Jonathan Rees
with his computer?
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Well, he's quite protective of his
sources.
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Rees is convinced, as am I, that the
footage could only have come from inside
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the Met.
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He's threatening to take action again.
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Did it come from inside the Met? Is that
a further press release? The request to
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pass information to Mike Sutherland came
for you.
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I mean, he's your mate.
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But there are rules, Dave, and you know
that. I do.
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And there's an operation waiting for
you, Mr. Lawrence.
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Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan, Nick
Davis, or anyone fucking else anything
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our cases, and you'll be strung up for
all to see.
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Do you hear me?
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Yeah, I hear you.
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I've got permission to talk about it
with you and you alone.
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I am privileged.
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These private meetings, you and I
outside of editorial.
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Of course.
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When have we not had those?
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Welcome back.
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Alan, our Scottish friend, you know it
better than I do.
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We can trust him, right?
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I want to say two things.
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One, you're a journalist and I'm scared
that getting into bed with certain
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politicians, well, we'll lose our vital
independence.
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You do it all the time. I share my bed
with all political parties and I hope
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pretty fair at sharing the...
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Nick, we've just removed a senior member
of Conservative staff, and I don't want
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that dismissed as coming from the
newspaper arm of the Labour group.
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Understood, but I asked about Gordon.
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And that's the second thing.
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You don't go into a room with Gordon
Brown and get what you want. You go into
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room and get what he wants.
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He's ferociously intelligent and...
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Very used to power.
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But if your interests align, as I think
they do here,
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he can be a remarkable ally.
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One last push, is it?
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And then I want Brussels.
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Then you want your well -paid chocolate
dream.
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Of course. Good. But please, Nick, take
it slow.
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To work. What have you got?
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The flood of cases is overwhelming the
courts, so they've appointed a hacking
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judge. He's already causing trouble. At
the Andy Gray trial, he said it's clear
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Mulcair had been regularly hacking him.
So that's an invitation. Any man, woman
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or creature who has anything in those
books has been given licence to sue.
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And you'll write it up? Yeah.
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Why do you think they gave us this?
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They're good journalists.
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None of them support the story, our
story.
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Guilt.
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The world's most powerful motive.
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I love you, darling. Yeah, love you too.
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It's better than I know her.
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Okay. It's Mike and Chief.
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She's, uh, she's not been sleeping very
well.
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I've been making her leave her phone
downstairs most nights. I'm not sure
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get away with that.
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I've been my best.
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Also, um...
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I've been contacted by Operation
Weeting.
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Oh, have you?
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You knew then?
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The things they had on me.
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Oh, no, I'm sorry. I should have warned
you. Yeah.
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Yates came after me today.
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And?
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Didn't land a punch.
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Good.
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They're keeping me at arm's length.
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But they did tell me a few pieces of
useful information. You remember that
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Surrey Police got a call fishing for my
details?
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00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:55,380
Mm -hm. Well, Wheating told me that, um,
it was probably Mulcair who made that
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call. Jesus Christ.
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I don't think anyone's understood the
depth of criminality here.
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Destabilising police investigations.
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I mean, we're talking about a murder
charge being... Yeah, look who I'm...
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00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:11,980
telling you, right?
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00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:14,560
Please don't laugh at me about this. No.
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No.
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00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,800
You know, right at the beginning of
this, I went to see Rebecca Brooks.
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And I said, um, well, you're doing it
outrageous.
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And you know what she said?
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00:22:32,580 --> 00:22:35,900
She said, we believed that you and
Jackie were having an affair.
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And as you're both public figures,
public interest.
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With all I find.
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00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:44,540
They thought we were having an affair
and we were already married.
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Ridiculous.
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Absurd. Cruel, I think, is a better
word.
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00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:54,800
Yeah.
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00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:06,260
I have a source in the police. I'm quite
openly victimized.
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00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,260
Might stop the whining celebrity angle.
402
00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:11,820
What whining celebrity angle?
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00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,440
People dismissing it because they think
it's just celebrities whining. Get him
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00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,219
on the record.
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00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:19,680
You've been badly damaged by overs
already.
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00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:20,940
You're Nick Davis?
407
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,280
Only on weekdays.
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00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:26,940
Have we met? How can I help? By telling
me what the fuck you think you're doing,
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stealing my story.
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Can we use your office?
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Which story have I stolen?
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Apparently you're Mr. Hacking.
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Every hacking story carries your byline.
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It doesn't.
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Today, in the paper, published, you
didn't write one word of it.
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No.
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00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000
Well, aren't you going to apologize?
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No.
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00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,660
You know, the Guardian gives out all
this shit about what kind of world it
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wants, and yet... This is well written.
Fuck off.
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00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,100
I didn't ask for credit, Ollie. Whoever
said it was wrong.
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Right then, who do we see next?
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Alan? Old.
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Anything? Writing a story about the
hacking scandal without consulting
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who spent the last three years having
his life destroyed by it.
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Is this what works for you?
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00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:25,310
When you're attacked, you just attack
back?
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00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:26,630
No, sometimes.
429
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:28,570
Maybe you could have something there.
430
00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:30,210
This is about Operation Waiting.
431
00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:32,050
It's a totally different thing.
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00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:34,950
How come I haven't seen you round the
offices before?
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I work alone.
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My own hours.
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00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,580
They're supportive of it. And what have
you got on Wheaton?
436
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Contact of mine in the force has been
put on it.
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00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:46,060
He's feeding me.
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Tell me everything.
439
00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:48,780
No.
440
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,380
He says it's timid.
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00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,240
He's eager for more action.
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00:24:56,820 --> 00:24:57,820
What's he giving you?
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Each arrest as it happens.
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Neville Thirlbeck is going to be at
Kingston Police Station between 9 and
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I'm there conveniently for the arrest.
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00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:08,320
Can you, at my view,
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Tell your source.
448
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Tell them to look into the initial
select committee hearings, and in
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the letter they received from News
International lawyers, because there's
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disclosures in that the police never got
the answer to.
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00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:24,660
Thanks.
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00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:26,540
Yeah, I will.
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It wouldn't be so bad, us working
together.
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You need to see this.
455
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Here's Ben Razier in Watling with more
on this story.
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First, the denials that celebrity
voicemail messages were listened to.
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claim it was down to a single rogue
reporter and his private investigator
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sidekick. Now the admission, we failed
to uncover what was going on. We're
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to apologize, and we're going to pay up.
Fuck.
460
00:25:53,650 --> 00:25:54,770
Absolutely right.
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Exactly the news of the world in missing
terms.
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It's brilliant.
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Is it? Bob.
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00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:05,520
By admitting they were at fault and
agreeing to cooperate. In fact, what
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doing is they're finding a new device
for concealing the truth. Nick, will it
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00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,480
cheaper?
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00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,960
Standard rate damages rather than the
million pound hush money they've had to
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pay out. And getting this out in court
now is next to impossible.
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Am I right?
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Well, if you are, for instance, Fiona
Miller, and you do take it to trial,
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if she ends up getting less at trial
than they offered her before, then she
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risks being ordered to pay both sides
costs, which could be astronomical.
473
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:34,710
And so, yes, it makes getting to trial
almost impossible.
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00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:39,890
Shit. My advice is, they've twisted one
way, we must twist another.
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00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:43,030
I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Rhys.
476
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:44,810
She's shown you that?
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00:26:44,890 --> 00:26:49,410
She says her remit is limited to more
care and the notebook. She isn't going
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00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:51,490
near Rhys. Should we try to leak
something?
479
00:26:51,730 --> 00:26:52,730
Put pressure on that way?
480
00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:55,830
I've got Rhys specifically targeting
Kate Middleton.
481
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I've just heard he targeted John Yates.
482
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Or we could... Do you think...
483
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,000
If we twisted an arm or two, do you
think we could get me up the list for
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That's a very good idea.
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00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:09,340
I'm not following.
486
00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:10,980
What does Sue Akers want?
487
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,280
To be free to take the evidence wherever
it leads her with a swift prod from the
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left?
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Maybe the Prime Minister will extend her
brief.
490
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You could even name, Rhys.
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00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:23,320
Good, good. Hang on.
492
00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:26,340
All of this exposes Dave to scrutiny
again.
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00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,080
Not already.
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00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:31,030
Tom, can I help?
495
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:32,430
Please do.
496
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:33,830
Good. Good.
497
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:35,810
Let's box Cameron in.
498
00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:40,150
As the Prime Minister has previously
said, the hacking inquiry should go
499
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:44,270
the evidence takes it. The Metropolitan
Police are in possession of paperwork
500
00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:48,950
which details the dealings of criminal
private investigator Jonathan Rees.
501
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:53,170
It strongly suggests that on behalf of
News International, he was illegally
502
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:57,850
targeting members of the Royal Family,
senior politicians and high -level
503
00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:59,110
terrorist informers.
504
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Yet the head of Operation Wheating has
recently written to me to explain that
505
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,680
this evidence may be outside the
inquiry's terms of reference.
506
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,780
Prime Minister, I believe powerful
forces are involved in a cover -up.
507
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,140
Please, please tell me what you intend
to do to make sure that this doesn't
508
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:19,140
happen.
509
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:24,080
The point I'd make to the Honourable
Gentleman, I know he takes a close
510
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,320
in this, is there is a police inquiry.
511
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,040
A police inquiry doesn't need terms of
reference.
512
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:33,520
The police are free to investigate the
evidence and take that wherever it leads
513
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,460
them, and then mount a prosecution with
the CPS.
514
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:39,500
Amelia, hi.
515
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,640
Thought you'd go in. Sorry, a bit weird
to wait for people outside toilets.
516
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,119
Oh, I don't know.
517
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,019
Got a minute?
518
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:46,020
Sure.
519
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:48,400
Two inquiries are being set up.
520
00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:52,130
Operation Thelita, looking specifically
into Jonathan Rees. Good.
521
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:55,730
Operation Eldon. Never get over Scotland
Yard's need for a strange name.
522
00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:59,070
To investigate the alleged payment of
bribes to police officers and other
523
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:02,350
officials from journalists from the News
of the World. And to make them do this.
524
00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:04,650
You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
525
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:05,970
Oh, I may have, Tom.
526
00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:07,090
Did you write it?
527
00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:16,690
Also, the select committee wading, you
suggested to my officer.
528
00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:18,050
Let's call him...
529
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Jingle. Fine.
530
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,460
It proved fruitful.
531
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:26,200
Operation Waiting forced some emails out
of News International, and the Met
532
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,420
discovered on their service some
systematic deletions.
533
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,679
Of course.
534
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,080
In particular, one enormous deletion in
January.
535
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:39,720
While they were handing over those three
emails from Ian Edmonton, can we print?
536
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,460
I'm working on it.
537
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Look, Jingle was grateful for the
advice.
538
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,980
He said he can't volunteer information
on active cases, but ask him a question,
539
00:29:50,140 --> 00:29:51,140
he'll tell no lie.
540
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,080
We've had something interesting come on.
What is Judge Voss doing? I feel like
541
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,420
we've only seen a tiny percent of
Malkhead. Voss is being robust with
542
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,900
It's yielding fruit. It feels important.
543
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Where are we? Nick, I've got something
if you're interested, but you'll need to
544
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,580
listen. Sorry, go on.
545
00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:20,880
I've been representing, as you know,
Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman. Yeah, I read
546
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,880
about it. You're doing brilliantly.
547
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,520
You're like my ex.
548
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,140
You always get complimentary when you
know you're in the wrong.
549
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,060
Sorry. I am sorry.
550
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,220
I heard you were a mess.
551
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:40,800
Oh, I can see an island of sanity. I'm
floating close to it. Go on.
552
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:49,070
I went to Patney so that the waiting
officers could show me the notes Mulcair
553
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:51,770
had taken from Leslie Ash and Lee
Chapman's voicemail. Yeah.
554
00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:59,150
Now, some genius combined the two names
and gave me
555
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:01,710
the details of Leslie Chapman.
556
00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:04,330
Remind me.
557
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:06,090
Jessica Chapman's father.
558
00:31:07,170 --> 00:31:10,190
Jessica Chapman was one of the murdered
schoolgirls, right? The Soren murders.
559
00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:13,670
It looks like Leslie Chapman's voicemail
was hacked.
560
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:18,680
They hacked the voicemail of a grieving
father. I'm not sure, but it looks that
561
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,080
way. You can't use it.
562
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:22,140
Yet.
563
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,580
This could change everything.
564
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,220
I need to talk to the family.
565
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,760
I need permissions.
566
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:29,980
I need to be sure.
567
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:33,480
Chapman family, I could talk to them.
That's not why I'm telling you this.
568
00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:36,380
Nick, think.
569
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,820
If they're doing this to the Chapmans...
Where else have they been?
570
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:42,660
Exactly.
571
00:31:48,709 --> 00:31:49,709
Jessica Chapman.
572
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:53,810
Oh, the Soane murders tore the police
apart for a while.
573
00:31:54,550 --> 00:31:56,330
She's sure they were into the parents'
phone.
574
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:58,970
It's in Mulcair's notebooks, but I can't
get in there.
575
00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:00,610
I've got to find another way in.
576
00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:02,390
There you are.
577
00:32:02,650 --> 00:32:03,850
I envy your confidence.
578
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:11,290
No, I'm just, um... Just happy to have
you back.
579
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:15,650
I thought that was better.
580
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:17,210
Sometimes.
581
00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:19,090
Come on then, guys.
582
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:23,350
Are you just frying that cheese?
583
00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:25,350
It's halloumi cheese if you like it.
584
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:26,730
I'm not hungry anymore.
585
00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:31,210
What? No, it's just I don't get it. I
mean, I eat when I know that I have to
586
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:32,210
eat.
587
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:34,330
I just don't get hungry anymore.
588
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:37,870
Don't. What? Well, that's sympathy.
589
00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:39,190
I've been sympathetic.
590
00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:41,430
Don't try and pretend you're any better
state than me.
591
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:45,250
I've seen you, mate. You are this close
to total collapse, I'm telling you.
592
00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:46,750
You know the story of the dung beetle?
593
00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:49,150
Oh. God, have I slipped that low.
594
00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:51,450
What? What, you trot out?
595
00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:54,090
You trot out that story quite a lot, you
know.
596
00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:56,110
Ask your kids, cry pity your kids.
597
00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:58,810
What was going on? Have you heard about
the dung beetle?
598
00:32:59,090 --> 00:33:00,190
An aggressive response.
599
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:02,750
Come on.
600
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:03,930
That'll make you hungry.
601
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:06,030
Thank you.
602
00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:10,990
You want to know how I do it now? Hmm.
603
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:13,490
I focus on the details.
604
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:15,790
Always the next detail.
605
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,320
I've been phobic of blood ever since a
body exploded on me.
606
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:24,660
Body exploded on you? Yeah, well, an
older man full of hernias.
607
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,840
Normally, when a pathologist's scalpel
enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
608
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:32,440
Well, this time, it exploded.
609
00:33:33,340 --> 00:33:34,860
Blood was everywhere. I was covered in
it.
610
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,820
But I was in homicide, so I'd gone to
pathology as a key part of my job,
611
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,060
So focus on the details.
612
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:44,100
Ears.
613
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:45,500
Toes.
614
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Even how the wound looked.
615
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,600
The blood I made disappear.
616
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:57,260
So how do you do it, Nick?
617
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:49,330
Tell me I'm mad.
618
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:56,850
With pleasure. I was in the database,
News of the World, April 14th, 2002, 250
619
00:34:56,850 --> 00:35:01,130
words long, page 9. It claims that
voicemail messages were sent to Millie's
620
00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:03,150
phone after she disappeared.
621
00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:05,470
Millie Dowler.
622
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:10,610
Police say voicemails were left by a
mentally disturbed woman who has hoaxed
623
00:35:10,610 --> 00:35:11,610
previous inquiries.
624
00:35:11,790 --> 00:35:13,530
Even quotes what she said.
625
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,360
Uh, hello, we're ringing because we have
some interviews starting. Can you call
626
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,380
me back? Thank you, bye -bye.
627
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,420
This is six days after Millie had
disappeared.
628
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,420
Final edition of the paper.
629
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,480
That reference was remote.
630
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,880
Because they might have realized what a
boobie they'd made.
631
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:46,610
Charlotte has evidence that they hacked
Jessica Chapman's father on the Soane
632
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:50,250
case. We can't get close to that. That
was the family, but... This is the girl
633
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:51,250
herself.
634
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:53,150
Rebecca was editor then.
635
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:55,750
This was under her aegis.
636
00:35:58,530 --> 00:35:59,990
Can you confirm this?
637
00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:01,230
I think so.
638
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:07,250
Is this as big as I think it is?
639
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:10,650
Yes, it is.
640
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:15,230
Make sure it stands up.
641
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:29,510
Bill, hi. Any fruit?
642
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:31,250
Jingle says they've been investigating.
643
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:32,529
Is that confirmation?
644
00:36:32,530 --> 00:36:35,990
Are they confirming that it happened?
Yes, there is a page on Dowler in
645
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:36,990
Mulcair's notebooks.
646
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:40,450
Right, we need to be absolutely
watertight.
647
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:44,640
Nick, he also says they're pursuing a
line of inquiry. They deleted messages
648
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,380
because the voicemail box was full.
649
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:48,620
They deleted messages?
650
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:50,500
I'll get us a firm anonymous quote from
Jingle.
651
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:52,900
OK. Thanks, Mindy. Bye. Bye -bye.
652
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,740
I have a source from inside Wheating.
I've got the article. Glenn, I've got a
653
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:01,760
good source saying that Surrey police
know about it and the Dowler family did
654
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,760
not.
655
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,120
Well, this is it.
656
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:09,440
This is it. I don't want to believe, but
I do.
657
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,080
The source is clear.
658
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:12,700
Stuart Kuttner... Remember him.
659
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,440
..even called Surrey Police.
660
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,780
He didn't just hear the voicemail, he
followed up on it. They even think they
661
00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:22,680
deleted her answer phone messages to
allow space for messages to be given,
662
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,000
made the family think she was still
alive.
663
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:25,420
Oh, God.
664
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:29,300
Do you know, if we can land this, this
changes everything.
665
00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:31,260
How?
666
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:32,700
A child.
667
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960
A dead child's phone. It's despicable.
668
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,140
You know, part of the British public
think that celebrities, politicians,
669
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,860
journalists even deserve everything that
they get. But when an innocent is
670
00:37:43,860 --> 00:37:47,920
harmed, an innocent already wronged,
trust me,
671
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,620
the news of the world will not be
forgiven for this.
672
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,980
Hi, this is Dave. Leave a message.
673
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,220
David, I've been offered to go onto
Channel 4.
674
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:06,710
I don't have a career to protect and I
think I should do it.
675
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:10,270
If you have a problem with any of this,
could you just call me or text me,
676
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:11,410
please? Thank you.
677
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,040
Mrs. Dowler, my name is Nick Davis. I
know.
678
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,540
They said you'd be coming by.
679
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,520
I've just been watching you on YouTube.
680
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:52,260
Come on, come in.
681
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,600
Thank you.
682
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,320
Thank you.
683
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,100
So the police are keeping you... Up to
date with it all, yes.
684
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Operation Wheating, good team, it seems.
685
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,480
They say it was true.
686
00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:14,830
Our daughter was hacked.
687
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:17,950
Yes.
688
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:20,490
You tell us why.
689
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:23,950
Why, sorry?
690
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:28,090
What we don't understand is why someone
would do this.
691
00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:30,490
You're a journalist.
692
00:39:30,570 --> 00:39:31,570
Can you explain?
693
00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:39,990
I think there's a good story in it.
694
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:42,750
A good story?
695
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,440
They wanted to either to find her or to
find something printable about her.
696
00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:52,140
So the phone promised all those things.
697
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,040
But we'd only just lost her, didn't they
know it was wrong?
698
00:39:58,540 --> 00:40:00,160
I think they didn't consider that.
699
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:02,900
And they know it would hurt us.
700
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
At that time, Millie was the most famous
person in the UK.
701
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,400
Everyone wanted to read about her.
702
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:22,180
And I'm afraid they needed to sell their
newspaper.
703
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,100
Now you're here.
704
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,260
Someone else selling a newspaper?
705
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:29,740
I am.
706
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,060
Yes, but I'm hoping... what we are
doing...
707
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,120
will help expose a wrong that was done
to your daughter.
708
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
However, yes, we are selling newspapers.
709
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,300
And I know that all this will be
bringing her back into the spotlight
710
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:55,620
And I know... And that's painful.
711
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,840
Just slightly.
712
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,200
Yeah.
713
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:04,840
But you should do it all the same.
714
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:08,360
You have our permission, Nick.
715
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:10,220
If you needed it, that is.
716
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,840
Thank you.
717
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,740
Always can never get used to microphones
being poked everywhere.
718
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,380
I'm used to it. It's a crime watch.
719
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:23,799
Of course.
720
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,820
Of course you are.
721
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,440
More used to it than me.
722
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,760
Oh.
723
00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:35,140
Do you want to share the byline with
Amelia?
724
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,860
Our source helped confirm it.
725
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:40,000
It needs something clearer.
726
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:42,910
Is the world targeted?
727
00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:44,290
Illegally targeted.
728
00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:45,650
Good. Illegally targeted.
729
00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:52,530
Missing schoolgirl Millie Dallow and her
family in dates interfering with the
730
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:54,810
police investigation into... No.
731
00:41:55,450 --> 00:42:01,190
Interfering with police inquiries into
her disappearance and deleted messages.
732
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:04,250
Then what the family believed.
733
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:06,770
She's alive.
734
00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:09,710
The lie of that.
735
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,700
Do we have a source and a secondary
source?
736
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Yes, we do.
737
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,500
Have we spoken to Scotland Yard? Of
course. I even asked for a quote.
738
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,780
This is... quite something.
739
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,660
Channel 4 News can tonight reveal that
allegations have been aired that a
740
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:32,800
Metropolitan Police detective was put
under surveillance... by the News of the
741
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,800
World journalists, and his personal
details were targeted.
742
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:40,900
The former Crimewatch presenter and
detective, Jackie Haynes, has spoken out
743
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:41,900
the first time.
744
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,400
So, Jackie, you were approached by
Operation Wheating.
745
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What did they show you?
746
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,580
They showed me various sheets of paper,
which I was told came from Glenn
747
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Mulcair's diaries and notes, and...
748
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:04,800
sat there and read the extent to which
he had delved into my private life.
749
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And it was quite a body blow.
750
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I want to know who instigated the
surveillance and the research that was
751
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,160
us.
752
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,380
I would like to know how they got and
who they got that personal information
753
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:19,540
from about us.
754
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,380
I would like to know what the purpose of
it was from them.
755
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,340
Do you think there was an attempt here
to...
756
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:34,770
interfere with your ex -husband's
criminal investigation and if so what
757
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evidence for that it's very difficult
when you look at the um the order in
758
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:47,710
things happen the chronology of this not
to at least want to shine a light on it
759
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and say you know how is it that the day
after that appeal went out on crime
760
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watch that this started to happen
761
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And it's very difficult not to come to
that conclusion that they were somehow
762
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,540
complicit in all of it, or someone
within the organisation was.
763
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,060
Complicit in what exactly?
764
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,300
In trying to discredit David or myself.
765
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,700
Of course they didn't print it.
766
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,140
And so, it finally begins.
767
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More revelations. The pressure on the
news of the world grows with another day
768
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of dramatic development. Shocking story.
It is alleged that Glenn Mulcair hacked
769
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,280
into the mobile phone of the murdered
schoolgirl Millie Dowler. Well, this
770
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,560
girl's dead and they're trying to get
stories.
771
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There is a new allegation that the
tabloid may have hacked into the phones
772
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the relatives of soldiers killed in
Iraq.
773
00:45:57,460 --> 00:46:00,280
If the actions are proved to have been
verified.
774
00:46:01,150 --> 00:46:03,170
I'm appalled. I find it quite
disgusting.
775
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:07,550
Tonight, Chief Executive Rebecca Brooks
says we're told that she's shocked and
776
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:12,090
that she knew nothing about it. Today is
the anniversary of 7 -7. Relatives of
777
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:15,630
victims of the London bombings may also
have had their phones hacked into.
778
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:20,060
Somebody was listening to that. It's a
violation, isn't it? An extraordinary
779
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:21,620
moment in British journalism.
780
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,520
The news of the world is to close.
781
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,560
What happened happened very, very
quickly.
782
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,240
It's like a bomb's hit the place.
783
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:30,880
Those decent people up there have been
thrown out of a job today. The sense
784
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,320
everyone gets is that Rupert Murdoch is
getting rid of the news of the world.
785
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:39,870
in order to protect taking over B -Sky
B. I'm interested in those who were
786
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:43,490
responsible for being brought to
justice. Scotland Yard confirmed today
787
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:46,690
had received documents suggesting a
number of its officers were given
788
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:49,110
inappropriate payments by News
International.
789
00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:53,770
Paying police for information is a
criminal offence. It's corrupt.
790
00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:55,209
It's bribery.
791
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:59,430
David Cameron, former head of
communications, is arrested over
792
00:46:59,430 --> 00:47:00,430
phone hacking.
793
00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:03,770
The decision to hire him was mine, and I
take full responsibility.
794
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:07,930
There's an awful lot I'd like to say,
but I can't. The pressure is mounting on
795
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:08,828
Rebecca Brooks.
796
00:47:08,830 --> 00:47:13,950
Both her and James Murdoch should be
leaving their desks. The Prime Minister
797
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:18,010
announced details of the independent
public inquiry led by Lord Justice
798
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:22,430
We'll have the power to summon and
question newspaper proprietors,
799
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:23,770
police and politicians.
800
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,020
I recognize the vital importance of
reaching a number of conclusions, and I
801
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:33,440
strive to do so. Rebecca Brooks, who
finally bowed to pressure and resigned
802
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,040
the past ten days, she's been at the
heart of the storm.
803
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,580
Now, she has decided to step away.
804
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:41,320
Assistant Commissioner John Yates has
also quit.
805
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:44,560
It is with great regret that I make this
decision.
806
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,680
The mighty Murdoch empire has suffered
its most humiliating blow yet, as it
807
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,900
suddenly dropped its bid.
808
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:52,810
To take control of B -Sky B.
809
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:57,970
Murdoch has abandoned his bid for B -Sky
B. But will he face wider consequences
810
00:47:57,970 --> 00:48:00,230
in relation to the phone hacking
scandal?
811
00:48:00,530 --> 00:48:02,590
What will come next in this show?
812
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:12,010
And I
813
00:48:12,010 --> 00:48:14,090
heard, as it were, the noise of thunder.
814
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:20,170
One of the four beasts saying, Come and
see.
815
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And I saw, and behold, a white horse.
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