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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,440 Previously on The Hack. Think who edited the paper. Think about where he sits 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,340 now. I mean, I know Andy Coulson. Him, sitting next to the Prime Minister. 3 00:00:15,540 --> 00:00:19,020 That's wrong in every way. The police have Mulcair's notebooks. If we can get 4 00:00:19,020 --> 00:00:22,280 them into the public eye, we'll see who hired who, how high this goes, who was 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,979 being hacked. 6 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:24,180 Just be safe with yourself. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:25,720 Just be safe. 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,320 It's a Daniel Morgan case. 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,500 We've had some witnesses finally come forward. 10 00:00:30,990 --> 00:00:34,070 You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness. 11 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:37,770 From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eden whatsoever. 12 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:39,470 Max, we've got them on the rack. 13 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:42,350 You settle, the whole thing gets covered up again. You've got them on the rack. 14 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:46,210 With what? The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than a million pounds. 15 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:47,790 Our biggest gun was spiked. 16 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:56,250 Our liberal conservative government will take Britain in a historic new 17 00:00:56,250 --> 00:00:59,930 direction. A direction of hope and unity, conviction... 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,200 and common purpose i'm delighted to be standing here with the new deputy prime 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:11,040 minister and i would like now to invite him to speak to us on what i think is a 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,960 remarkable and very welcome day thank you david we um we've just been through 21 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:23,680 election campaign and now we have a coalition uh until today we were rivals 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,680 now we're colleagues 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,380 All that work given to someone else in the byline. I'm finding it a little bit 24 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:32,380 hard to get my head around. 25 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:34,300 Look. 26 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,560 BBC are playing it on repeat. I've watched it 15 times. It was sickening 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,518 first time. 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,720 Andy Coulson now sits at the right -hand side of God as a direct link between 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,420 Number 10 and Murdoch. I don't like that whisper chat. We need our... Our own 30 00:01:48,420 --> 00:01:49,940 coalition. We need allies. 31 00:01:50,620 --> 00:01:54,100 We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. People are working 32 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:55,920 together. We need allies in the press. 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,900 Yeah, I think I've tried. Nobody will touch it. 34 00:01:58,860 --> 00:01:59,860 Thank you. 35 00:02:01,540 --> 00:02:06,880 Well, they weren't on Fleet Street, but I've always thought a lot of Glen 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,940 Campbell. I think Panorama will bite. No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle 37 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:14,980 with Murdoch. Well, then there's Dispatches, maybe, and internationally, 38 00:02:14,980 --> 00:02:15,980 Keller. 39 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:19,400 You can't think the New York Times would want to be involved. Murdoch's hold on 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,400 the Wall Street Journal is galling to Bill. I think he could... Well, I've got 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,100 resources, of course, but... Alan, they won't share back. 42 00:02:29,420 --> 00:02:31,280 TV acts, mate, the New York Times. 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,320 This will always be your story, Nick. 44 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:35,760 No, it's bigger than that. 45 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:37,900 Me. 46 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,120 Oh, I can't make friends at school. Why not a pen pal? I get it. 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,360 Yeah. 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,100 Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea. It's a necessary idea. 49 00:02:54,980 --> 00:02:55,980 Good. 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,560 So, Nick Davis and the Guardian are losing the exclusive, but winning the 51 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:04,240 Steve? Yep. 52 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:32,520 I'm aware that it has taken a few years to get to this point, and many of us are 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,660 eager to draw these pre -trial hearings to a close. 54 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,120 But I'm afraid a new matter has arisen that requires our attention. 55 00:03:41,060 --> 00:03:45,920 Last night, an application was made by the counsel for the defendants as 56 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,200 a possible irregularity in the conduct of this investigation in relation to the 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,380 prosecution witness, Mr. Gary Eaton. 58 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,460 In order to resolve this, it is my view that we must spend some time hearing 59 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:06,440 evidence directly from DCS David Cook and the officers in his team, which will 60 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,140 begin on Monday. 61 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:15,220 These rules are ridiculous. 62 00:04:15,580 --> 00:04:17,800 They are tight on this one. No conferring my colleagues. 63 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,899 May not work with these officers day in, day out. They don't want you to 64 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:24,610 prepare. Basically, it's known as an ambush defense. And they want me to tell 65 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:25,730 them everything about Gary Eaton. 66 00:04:26,150 --> 00:04:30,490 Well, the suspects are sitting right there. If the judge does decide to lose 67 00:04:30,490 --> 00:04:34,110 Gary Eaton's evidence, it would be a significant setback. 68 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:36,730 Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster. 69 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:41,350 So we do what the judge tells us to. 70 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:43,490 All you have to do is answer the questions. 71 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:44,850 Dave will be fine. 72 00:04:45,770 --> 00:04:46,870 He's good in the spotlight. 73 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:50,570 And while you sit in the spotlight, Boy Scout behavior. 74 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:52,230 Day in, day out. 75 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:54,730 Agreed? The defence could put you under surveillance. 76 00:04:54,970 --> 00:04:58,190 They could track your car, your phone. They'd love nothing more than to catch 77 00:04:58,190 --> 00:04:59,190 you out. 78 00:05:01,230 --> 00:05:05,550 These men have been under arrest for over a year. This is a fucking farce. 79 00:05:05,550 --> 00:05:07,530 Nothing to do with truth. Nothing to do with justice. 80 00:05:09,930 --> 00:05:12,010 Do the best we can within the system we've got. 81 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,280 What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row? 82 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,780 A murder, an ambush, an armada? 83 00:05:29,060 --> 00:05:30,940 Do you really call them help? 84 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,560 This is quite something. 85 00:05:34,780 --> 00:05:37,260 It's remarkable journalism, Nick. Thank you. 86 00:05:37,660 --> 00:05:39,080 Any sense they're doing it in America, too? 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,980 A few suspected names, nothing firm. It's all in there. 88 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,880 You have no one on record from News of the World? 89 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,340 No. But plenty off the record. 90 00:05:50,060 --> 00:05:51,060 Am I right? 91 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,260 She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr. Epomo is. 92 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:56,320 Oh, I see. You think he's a news international insider. 93 00:05:56,580 --> 00:05:57,580 Interesting. 94 00:05:57,900 --> 00:05:59,920 Um, but no, not sharing. 95 00:06:00,140 --> 00:06:02,020 And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared. 96 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,200 Do you have an angle, though? 97 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:07,500 Your paper? 98 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:11,980 You know, Bill's instincts were royal family, Murdoch's, press intrusion. In 99 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:12,539 that order? 100 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:13,660 We'll find our way. 101 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:17,760 It's important no one can say that we colluded with you or were baby fed just 102 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,600 stand your story up. You're here to stand my story. I wasn't saying that. 103 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,160 idea is we further each other's stories. Anything new we get, we know you're the 104 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,160 keeper of the flame. 105 00:06:27,340 --> 00:06:28,340 We'll bring you in. 106 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,260 I'd say likewise, but I've given you all I have. 107 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,040 I don't know when this started either. 108 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,280 You might get a call from the New York Times in the next two days. 109 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:19,439 New York Times? 110 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,200 Fancy. They're getting involved. 111 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,440 We're giving them what we have. 112 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,640 Two newspapers are better than one. 113 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:29,650 You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come around for playdates, I 114 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:34,710 instinctively know who are good at sharing and who aren't. And you... Alan 115 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:37,410 thinks it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. You weren't very good at 116 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:38,349 sharing at all. 117 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:39,610 Why? I'm not done. 118 00:07:41,030 --> 00:07:42,030 They'll do their thing. 119 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:46,650 It actually makes it easier to pursue. 120 00:07:46,910 --> 00:07:50,990 I was actually quite good at football as a kid, so that's what I would have done 121 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:53,510 at your playdate. I had to find a ball and kicked it. I didn't care about toys. 122 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:54,770 Anyway, I have an idea. 123 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:58,700 So, Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash. 124 00:07:58,980 --> 00:07:59,980 I don't know Harry Evans. 125 00:08:01,340 --> 00:08:03,560 Editor of the Sunday Times from 1967 to 81. 126 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:04,959 Newspaper legend. 127 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,340 Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch? 128 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,479 Oh, they didn't get on. 129 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Murdoch fired him? 130 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:11,400 Eventually. Actually, first he promoted him, gave him editorship of the Times. 131 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,640 And he's the hero in this story. I haven't told the story. Well, your eyes 132 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,579 he's the hero. 133 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:19,880 So, DC -10 in Paris, passenger jet. There was clearly a problem with the 134 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,840 manufacture of the plane, but Harry couldn't print. Without evidence? 135 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Exactly. So... 136 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,140 Harry got his reporters to intervene, linked the Bereave families with highly 137 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:32,520 effective lawyers in the US because US courts were more likely to order 138 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,740 McDonnell Douglas to disclose internal paperwork. 139 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:38,960 My plan is to do the same. Haven't we already tried that with Max Clifford? 140 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,900 no, then you involve me, in your case, very kindly. Now I'm going to recruit 141 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:44,900 you. 142 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:50,860 So they bribed Max. They won't be able to stop an army of people. If I can get 143 00:08:50,860 --> 00:08:51,819 list of the hats. 144 00:08:51,820 --> 00:08:54,520 encourage them to come forward, we can flood the courts. 145 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:03,800 I can't see he was a footballer. Look, Andy Coulson created a culture of the 146 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,820 news of the world. To prove he did so, we need to get as many of his top 147 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:08,160 journalists implicated as possible. 148 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Marquez notes had Clive Goodman's name written at the top's court record. 149 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,520 So we can find the other editors who commissioned him. 150 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,520 Come on, it's time to get nuclear, don't you think? 151 00:09:21,610 --> 00:09:26,590 The inevitable dig followed. I had to identify, with the help of my furry 152 00:09:26,590 --> 00:09:30,930 friend, every celebrity politician and sports star they'd gone after. High 153 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:34,130 ranking, the low ranking, the illustrious, the audacious. 154 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:39,850 And then I had to persuade those people, fight like MP Tessa Jowell. 155 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,380 Yes, I have been threatened by the police. 156 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,080 All the dirt they had on your ex -husband came from hacking. And ruined 157 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,480 marriage, I am aware. 158 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:51,360 I'd like to publish an article about your experiences, and I'd like you to 159 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,440 consider pursuing it further in court. I have good lawyer recommendations. 160 00:09:54,820 --> 00:09:56,040 But that would mean stirring it up. 161 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,400 We've struggled enough. 162 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:59,620 Please, leave it alone. 163 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,280 I had proof that Charles Clarke had been hacked. I told a friend who knew him to 164 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,180 tell him. My friend said... He's not willing to engage. 165 00:10:07,740 --> 00:10:11,180 With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms who specialised in 166 00:10:11,180 --> 00:10:13,520 representing celebrities. I contacted all of them. 167 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,520 I wish I could tell you their name. 168 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:16,880 I'm getting nothing. 169 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Nothing? They're busy. 170 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:21,900 They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story. 171 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:27,120 They can't afford it, but mostly... Mostly, they're frightened. 172 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,220 I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman. 173 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,080 Hello, Charlotte. 174 00:10:33,340 --> 00:10:34,279 Nice to meet you. 175 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,260 A charming lawyer. How nice. 176 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,680 Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly. 177 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,860 Have you met John Kelly? 178 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:49,420 No. She wasn't warned by the police, and no, she won't be meeting with you or 179 00:10:49,420 --> 00:10:50,660 any other journalist. 180 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,320 Mr. Kelly, this is worth pursuing. 181 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,680 For Nicole, for all your clients. It's still a no, I'm afraid. 182 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,440 A hard no. 183 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:59,580 Her trustees say no. 184 00:11:00,020 --> 00:11:03,180 Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients, one of whom was Big 185 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:04,880 Brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked. 186 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,460 Jade had died of cancer. 187 00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:08,630 They're not interested in pursuing a case. 188 00:11:08,950 --> 00:11:11,690 Perhaps I could talk to them. Because you're more persuasive than me. 189 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:13,570 I get it. You're desperate. 190 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:20,110 There is another... someone. I can't give you her name. 191 00:11:20,410 --> 00:11:21,670 We called her AZP. 192 00:11:22,170 --> 00:11:23,170 She's very angry. 193 00:11:23,970 --> 00:11:25,170 They've ruined her life. 194 00:11:25,370 --> 00:11:26,690 She's leaning into all this. 195 00:11:27,670 --> 00:11:29,230 I'd like to... Yeah, of course you fucking would. 196 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:33,470 And if she's brave enough to talk more, then you'll hear more. But until then... 197 00:11:33,470 --> 00:11:34,530 I just also forget. 198 00:11:35,180 --> 00:11:36,620 They are profoundly scared. 199 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:55,060 Mr. Cook, do you accept that a number of rules were broken with regard to Gary 200 00:11:55,060 --> 00:11:56,060 Eaton? 201 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:57,340 I do. 202 00:11:57,390 --> 00:12:02,270 And the issue for the judge to decide on is the spirit in which these rules were 203 00:12:02,270 --> 00:12:06,890 broken. Were they broken in bad faith or was it done transparently and in the 204 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:07,930 interests of justice? 205 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:12,210 Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment. Do you 206 00:12:12,210 --> 00:12:13,330 that? Yes, I do. 207 00:12:14,530 --> 00:12:19,650 Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr Eaton. 208 00:12:20,430 --> 00:12:24,210 It's been suggested that you led the witness during this conversation. 209 00:12:24,530 --> 00:12:28,090 I think it's important for me to say that I never wanted to meet with Mr. 210 00:12:28,090 --> 00:12:29,090 in the first place. 211 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:33,070 He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along. 212 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:36,150 And the job is to find out if he was valid. 213 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:39,190 And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions. 214 00:12:40,670 --> 00:12:43,250 Give me the name of the brothers. 215 00:12:44,410 --> 00:12:46,370 That's hardly a probing question. 216 00:12:47,090 --> 00:12:48,090 Is it, Mr. Cook? 217 00:12:48,780 --> 00:12:53,340 He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he? You gave him the brothers. 218 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,840 I gave him the brothers. I did not give him the name of the brothers. You were 219 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:03,220 aware at that first meeting of how important it was to preserve the 220 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:04,139 the process? 221 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,260 And that's what I thought we were doing. It was all recorded. 222 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,980 And we all have the transcripts here before us, but that wasn't my question. 223 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:14,080 It was a simple question. 224 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Let's try another. 225 00:13:18,570 --> 00:13:22,810 Do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with the witness, 226 00:13:22,810 --> 00:13:24,970 were breaching the sterile corridor system? 227 00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:31,110 Yes, I do, but I would say that this was a particularly difficult circumstance. 228 00:13:31,630 --> 00:13:35,050 It wasn't difficult at all. All you had to do was say to this man, I'm sorry, 229 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:38,290 the rules are I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you. 230 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,320 You have your own witness protection handler. They can sort out any problems 231 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,860 may have. But from now on, you must not ring me. And if you do, my phone will 232 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:49,040 bar you. And that is what I did on several occasions. 233 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,860 Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone? 234 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,840 Not always possible on every type of phone. 235 00:13:59,540 --> 00:14:04,840 Are you saying that it's not possible from a Metropolitan Police phone? 236 00:14:07,660 --> 00:14:09,760 It's a terribly simple question. 237 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,380 He changed his number. I didn't know his number. 238 00:14:17,380 --> 00:14:20,400 I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note -taking. 239 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:27,680 My Lord, between August the 23rd and the 16th of September 2006, not one 240 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,760 of Mr. Cook's numerous telephone calls to Ethan appears on the schedule. 241 00:14:33,060 --> 00:14:34,060 Mr. Cook! 242 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,600 Do you mind telling us how it is that between the 23rd of August and the 16th 243 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,640 September you managed to make so many calls without recording any of them? 244 00:14:43,580 --> 00:14:49,000 From memory, the vast majority, if not all, were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare, 245 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,820 domestics, stuff like that, nuisance stuff. But you accept, do you not, that 246 00:14:53,820 --> 00:14:56,720 court has no way of knowing what was said during these calls? 247 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,680 I accept that. My lord, do you mind if I sit down? I suffer from vertigo. 248 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,680 Please. 249 00:15:04,890 --> 00:15:11,890 Let us look at tab number nine. We can see top line that the debrief begins 250 00:15:11,890 --> 00:15:16,910 on the 1st of August. We can see that it's followed the next day by a call 251 00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:18,170 is 15 minutes long. 252 00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:23,010 That one is logged. Then on the 28th of August... 253 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:27,180 There's a nine -minute call which is not blocked. Then, on the 1st of September, 254 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Eaton suddenly changes his story. He says for the first time that he was at 255 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,060 scene of the murder. 256 00:15:34,620 --> 00:15:35,579 What are you suggesting? 257 00:15:35,580 --> 00:15:39,600 I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr Cook. 258 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,180 I suppose you're going to deny it and say that it is just a coincidence? 259 00:15:44,180 --> 00:15:49,360 going to deny that during these unlogged calls you were feeding Mr Eaton his 260 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,680 story? Why would I do not? This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police 261 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,240 untold embarrassment for over two decades. 262 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:58,300 You were desperate to nail someone. 263 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:02,740 Of course, if you think you have somebody who may be an eyewitness, you 264 00:16:02,740 --> 00:16:07,600 them with both arms. But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man to run 265 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,980 riot over your investigation. Not only that, but you manipulated him because he 266 00:16:11,980 --> 00:16:16,720 was easily manipulable and because he was your one way of bringing this case 267 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,240 back to life and ending your career. 268 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,300 With a real coup, isn't that what has gone on here, Mr. Cook? 269 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:31,600 You could not be further from Richard, sir. 270 00:17:00,940 --> 00:17:03,580 If you haven't changed your ways, no chance. 271 00:17:04,460 --> 00:17:05,460 Thanks. 272 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:11,579 Can you still win? Now that we've lost Gary Eaton, the entire case, Ruth and 273 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:15,940 women, Monday Wright, Jimmy Cook's ex -girlfriend, who was basically a fucking 274 00:17:15,940 --> 00:17:22,839 nightmare, and James Ward, our original supergraph, was a radical 275 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:23,839 bet. 276 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,900 Nine days they kept me in that bed. 277 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,620 And day one, I really thought I could win. 278 00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:32,860 Hope. 279 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:34,420 Yeah, I remember hope. 280 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:37,840 I'm sorry they did that to you. 281 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:40,320 You didn't deserve it. 282 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Yeah, maybe I did. 283 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:45,700 It's all about you. 284 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,720 Can you, um, win? 285 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,880 Journalism isn't about winning or losing. It's about the gradual erosion 286 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:56,880 -worth. 287 00:17:58,409 --> 00:18:02,010 Alan's given the story to Panorama and the New York Times, and he's probably 288 00:18:02,010 --> 00:18:06,790 right, because I can't get anyone to go to court, which means we can't... I 289 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:11,930 thought I had a way to get to Mulcair's notes. I thought I was finally getting 290 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:14,750 somewhere, but, like everything, I tried. 291 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:18,490 What about Jonathan Rees? 292 00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:21,550 Surely he's just as bad as Mulcair. 293 00:18:22,090 --> 00:18:23,490 He's on trial, if you haven't noticed. 294 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:25,810 We raided his house a few years ago. 295 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,700 We found invoices on his desk. 296 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,140 Rees to Alex Marinchuk for the News of the World. Now, Rees went to prison for 297 00:18:33,140 --> 00:18:38,120 conspiring to prevent the course of justice, came out and went right back 298 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:41,500 the Employee News of the World while Andy Coulson was the editor. 299 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Andy Coulson? 300 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:46,120 News of the World employed a convicted criminal? 301 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,340 Now, this fell into your lap, OK? 302 00:18:51,860 --> 00:18:53,060 You can't quote me. 303 00:18:53,740 --> 00:18:55,060 You can't name Rees. 304 00:18:56,330 --> 00:18:58,190 But you can use this to nail them. 305 00:18:59,830 --> 00:19:01,550 This could get you in serious trouble. 306 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:05,010 I'm already in serious trouble. 307 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:16,390 So you're calling Jonathan Rees Mr. 308 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:19,050 Ray? I think it's my best pseudonym yet. 309 00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:22,030 Can't name him till after the Morgan trial. 310 00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:26,010 It's very tenuous legally even to hide him under a pseudonym. His lawyers can 311 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:27,010 claim contempt of court. 312 00:19:27,310 --> 00:19:29,050 Coulson being in government is a contempt. 313 00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:34,190 It's a good story. Does it stand out? My source is solid. Jonathan Rees was in 314 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:36,890 prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice. 315 00:19:38,450 --> 00:19:42,250 And then he's the world rehired him. After he was released from prison while 316 00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:43,250 Coulson was editor. 317 00:19:44,110 --> 00:19:45,110 Feels a good one. 318 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:46,890 We'll need to give Coulson a right of reply. 319 00:19:48,010 --> 00:19:51,790 This is the most archaic practice, giving people quotes in articles against 320 00:19:51,790 --> 00:19:56,070 them. It's just free advertising space for their lives. I think it's necessary. 321 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:59,490 If we publish his right of reply, we'll be misleading our readers. 322 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:02,610 Whatever the fight, I think it's better to stick to established journalist 323 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:05,290 practice, don't you? What would you know about journalism? You're a lawyer. 324 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:07,750 Nick, could you maybe talk to her with a bit more respect? 325 00:20:08,050 --> 00:20:09,770 Oh, fuck off. With respect. Nick. 326 00:20:10,150 --> 00:20:11,530 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. 327 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:16,230 Rufus, sorry, Jill. I know how vital you are to all this. Just busy time, busy 328 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:17,230 head. 329 00:20:18,209 --> 00:20:19,870 I'll alert some people. 330 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:21,350 Go backstage. 331 00:20:21,850 --> 00:20:23,190 I know this will spread. 332 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:26,550 The other newspapers, they can't ignore this. It has to. 333 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:32,490 Jill? If you get the quote from Cawthon, I think we can argue public interest. 334 00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:33,729 I agree. 335 00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:34,529 Thank you. 336 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:35,530 This is good. 337 00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:42,250 Whoever your source is, this is good. 338 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,100 Would it surprise you to know it didn't spread? 339 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,460 All the other newspapers ignored the Mr. A story. 340 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,340 You'll get them next time. 341 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:28,280 The trouble with next time... The trouble with... You'll 342 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,280 get them next time. 343 00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:30,800 I don't have a next time. 344 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,640 You stupid child. 345 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,220 Nicholas, Nicholas, don't be dramatic, Nicholas. 346 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,940 Now, let's get a washcloth for that blood, shall we? 347 00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:41,960 I don't have it next to me. 348 00:21:51,540 --> 00:21:52,540 Hi, Nick David. 349 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:55,580 Nick, it's Jo Becker, New York Times. 350 00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:57,460 Oh, yeah, hi. 351 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,580 It's now not a good time. 352 00:22:00,010 --> 00:22:01,010 No, it's fine. 353 00:22:01,150 --> 00:22:02,150 How can I help? 354 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:03,370 We're going to publish. 355 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:05,290 Great. What? 356 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:08,010 Sean Hoare is going on the record. 357 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:09,370 He's a genuine insider. 358 00:22:09,930 --> 00:22:11,650 Oh, more than that, he's Coulson's friend. 359 00:22:11,890 --> 00:22:16,050 They worked the Celebrity Bazaar column that Coulson made his name on. What did 360 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:16,629 he say? 361 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:19,190 Well, he talked about Coulson a lot. 362 00:22:19,550 --> 00:22:21,350 I had a good relationship with him, as it goes. 363 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:25,650 Yeah, look at what the fuck I wanted. I came in with a good story. 364 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,960 The brief was, I don't give a fuck. 365 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:36,800 The news of the world meeting, sir, more fun than Guardian, one. 366 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:38,260 You're not wrong. 367 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,440 But I asked him. 368 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,980 Did he know what's going on, Coulson? 369 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,460 New York Times over here on this side. 370 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:47,400 Yeah. Oh. 371 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,360 Why? We want to investigate whether an ethical line has been crossed. 372 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:54,440 At least I'm a Guardian. 373 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,960 You don't think the Guardian are valid? 374 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,880 I think the Guardian are being beautiful beings gazing down from their mighty 375 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,700 high horses of pious fucks. 376 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:08,720 You know, but the thing about you, you see, is that you're... You're foreign. 377 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,680 And I like you. 378 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:22,340 I personally played voicemail recordings to the bastard when we worked together 379 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:24,140 at the Sun and the Screws. 380 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,880 You played recording to Colton? 381 00:23:29,629 --> 00:23:31,190 Sean, is that on the record? 382 00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:47,010 I want a New York Mets top. 383 00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:48,570 I'm sorry? 384 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:51,910 I want a New York Mets top, and then it's on the record. 385 00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:54,810 Okay. 386 00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:58,690 Sure. 387 00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:00,170 Great. 388 00:24:02,050 --> 00:24:06,230 So I say we go completely crazy and have another orange juice. 389 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:08,750 Thank you. 390 00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:26,670 This is very good. 391 00:24:27,630 --> 00:24:30,390 I don't think they made clear the link with Coulson. 392 00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:35,170 It's good journalism, but it's not... I love an intimate party, Nick, but it is 393 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:38,790 nice, don't you think, to have at least some other people who want to be there? 394 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:41,030 This is the New York Times. 395 00:24:41,290 --> 00:24:43,390 It's going to be a lot harder to fight as both. 396 00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:45,330 This matters. 397 00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:51,870 It was an extremely good piece. 398 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:56,410 The way it... It was extremely good. And what happened next? 399 00:24:57,230 --> 00:25:00,250 Alan was right. It made everybody braver. 400 00:25:01,030 --> 00:25:04,010 Celebrities began to look up. For instance, Charlotte Harris began to get 401 00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:08,150 somewhere with a client, football agent Skye Andrews. They offered him £200 ,000 402 00:25:08,150 --> 00:25:12,510 a year and £1 .2 million in free advertising for a charity if he dropped 403 00:25:12,510 --> 00:25:14,210 case. And? He said no. 404 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:16,070 People were willing to fight. 405 00:25:16,290 --> 00:25:17,650 Most unusual people. 406 00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:22,030 Hi, Nick Davies. Max Mosley. I'm a fan of your work. 407 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:24,730 Then Max Mosley did something extraordinary. 408 00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:29,230 To be clear, we didn't meet at the Guardian, but this setting will do. I'd 409 00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:33,310 to back, financially, anyone wishing to bring a case against the news of the 410 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:36,670 world. Indemnify them against costs and damages. 411 00:25:37,030 --> 00:25:38,230 Max, that could bring millions. 412 00:25:40,030 --> 00:25:41,410 I'm guessing you saw it. 413 00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:43,690 Nazi sex orgy. 414 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:45,490 Photos of me. 415 00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:50,310 It was not Nazi. It was consenting, but they didn't care. 416 00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:53,810 I sued. I got a small reward. 417 00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:55,010 I survived. 418 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,220 My son didn't. 419 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,040 Heroin overdose one year after the story was published. 420 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,520 I'm sorry? 421 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,460 They can attack us when our children are damaged. 422 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:17,900 But are you sure that this is what you want to spend your fortune on? 423 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,880 You underestimate my fortune, Mr. Davis. 424 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,280 And my anger. 425 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,740 The world started to unfold before us. 426 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:35,380 The strategy started to work. Allies were, well, not exactly everywhere, but 427 00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:39,580 gathering. And then the game changed. 428 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,440 Mark Thompson got in touch. His client, AZP. Do you remember AZP? Well, 429 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,840 apparently she loved the New York Times piece and the Mr. A story, and she 430 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,679 wanted to meet. 431 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,420 Oh, and AZP, she did. 432 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,900 Deanna Miller, meet Nick Davis. 433 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:55,260 Pleasure to meet you. 434 00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:56,790 Yes. Actor. 435 00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:58,370 Tabloid magnet. 436 00:26:58,770 --> 00:26:59,770 R .A.'s card. 437 00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:02,030 He knows it's coming. 438 00:27:02,610 --> 00:27:04,610 Everyone's been whispering to her to stop. 439 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:05,890 All of Hollywood. 440 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:08,550 Some roles are being withdrawn. 441 00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:12,210 Others are being promised if she just lets it go. 442 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:14,530 You've decided to keep fighting? 443 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:20,510 They've also said they've told me that there is more muck on me they'd use, 444 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:22,350 which is... I mean... 445 00:27:22,570 --> 00:27:25,490 Probably true, but I mean, how can they print anything worse? 446 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:27,230 All the papers are after her. 447 00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:31,950 Can I ask, Sienna, can I ask what happened? 448 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:36,810 I can't go into the details. 449 00:27:37,270 --> 00:27:41,590 And I really don't want to pry, but what were they digging for? 450 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:48,630 Um... Seemingly, um... 451 00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:51,810 Well, anything about me is interesting. 452 00:27:52,090 --> 00:27:57,430 The restaurants I go to, what I wear, people I meet. 453 00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:05,190 But it seems their attention was particularly grabbed by... I 454 00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:11,930 got pregnant and 455 00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:15,970 I had a decision to make. 456 00:28:16,210 --> 00:28:17,350 You understand? 457 00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:26,930 And at that time, when you're dealing with that, you need people that you can 458 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:29,230 trust, and I didn't trust anyone. 459 00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:33,330 I thought that they were all selling stories about me because they knew 460 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:34,370 everything. 461 00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:41,290 And I couldn't work out why. I couldn't work out why anything I told my friends 462 00:28:41,290 --> 00:28:43,910 or family was being leaked. 463 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:48,270 I thought, I mean, I started to. 464 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,480 Yeah. 465 00:28:53,640 --> 00:29:00,580 I, uh... The number of people 466 00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:05,100 that I trusted grew smaller and smaller until there was almost no one at all. 467 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:10,120 I didn't know which way was up. Not anymore. I drank too much, did all the 468 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,340 things, damaged my career, damaged myself. 469 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,160 And they feasted on it. 470 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Was this Mulcair? 471 00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:22,750 We don't know. We don't know who was doing what. All we know is the results 472 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:23,689 it. 473 00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:30,190 The thing that I was most, um... sorry about was that I, um... 474 00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:33,990 I damaged my family. 475 00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:38,810 Once it was all, um... 476 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:45,690 I 477 00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:47,570 only basically told my mum. 478 00:29:51,899 --> 00:29:53,340 Then they still found out. 479 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,580 And they published, and I thought it was her. 480 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,640 I thought it was her, you know. 481 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:08,140 That's been horrible. 482 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:11,100 But I'm a celebrity. 483 00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:15,740 I chose all this. It's not their fault. It's in the public interest. 484 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,400 We're taking this all the way. 485 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,840 Good. 486 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:29,700 We're going to have to disclose this. 487 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,400 I'm afraid we've no choice. 488 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,800 But I ain't done nothing. 489 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,420 Lindsay, your entire search history's here. You can see what you searched and 490 00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:39,420 when you searched it. 491 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:42,780 But I'm allowed to be curious, aren't I? 492 00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:45,240 I'm not going to be allowed to be curious. 493 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:51,280 Look, you're accusing Jimmy Cook of over 30 separate murders. 494 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:56,500 And each time you change a statement and say you remember a new murder, it comes 495 00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:00,300 off the back of an internet search on how to commit that particular type of 496 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:01,300 murder. 497 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Disclosing this means that we can no longer put you forward as a witness of 498 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,880 truth. 499 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,720 And I'm afraid, Lindsay, I'm afraid we lost the only other witness who had 500 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,720 evidence on Jimmy. 501 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,640 For your statement, that was all the prosecution had to go on. 502 00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:22,670 James Frederick William Cook. 503 00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:24,470 Stand, please. 504 00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:33,130 I direct a verdict of not guilty in respect of count one, and you are now 505 00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:34,130 to go. 506 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:39,090 No, no, no, no, no. 507 00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:42,510 What is he... Oh, shit. 508 00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:45,050 I'm now number one target, you know that. 509 00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:46,850 How could you let this happen? 510 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,040 You take sugar? 511 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:06,780 Uh, just half. 512 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,360 And a splash of milk. 513 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:11,180 Thanks. 514 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:16,760 Uh, how long you been here, then? 515 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,240 Moved in a while ago. 516 00:32:19,780 --> 00:32:25,080 I know, I just haven't had time to... There's a sofa coming. 517 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,760 Thanks. 518 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Yeah, I was actually pretty choked when I heard. 519 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,660 You and Jackie always seem solid. 520 00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:37,420 Yeah. 521 00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:41,240 Heard you and Vicky got married. That's great. 522 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,100 We invited you to the wedding, but you never RSVP'd. 523 00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:45,860 Did you? 524 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:49,280 I'm so sorry. 525 00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:52,900 I've been busy. Frantic. 526 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:54,740 Work. Life. 527 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,500 That's what you get for having friends who are coppers. 528 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,220 They disappear on you for years on end. 529 00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:03,250 So are Stowe Piles. 530 00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:08,570 But I don't know why you're here. 531 00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:10,230 You want something? 532 00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:13,570 Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have been in touch with us at Panorama. 533 00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:17,630 It's the hacking stuff, but there's also this story on Jonathan Rees that 534 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:18,569 they've been pushing. 535 00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:22,250 I know you've been on Daniel Morgan, so Rees is your bag, right? 536 00:33:25,530 --> 00:33:27,590 Look, I'm sorry. We can talk about other things. 537 00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:30,070 I'll take my BBC hat off. 538 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,600 Genuinely. I wanted to see you. 539 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:36,340 How are you? 540 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,960 No. 541 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:40,740 Open. 542 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:43,300 Oh, that's strange. 543 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,500 A house without kids. 544 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,320 Pretty quiet. 545 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,460 I think I need to get better and fill in on the time. 546 00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:00,260 We should be... 547 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,280 Aiming for a coalition of lawyers. 548 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:05,600 Coalition? I mean government now. I have other friendly lawyers with very high 549 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,860 profile clients. Yeah, I do actually know who you're talking about. Sky 550 00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:11,179 Advocate, progressing under your watch, is still not accepting their terms. No. 551 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,400 Max Mosley has promised to financially back any client who comes forward. 552 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,440 we can encourage them all to come forward now. Nick, breathe. 553 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:19,500 Okay. 554 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,320 You are constantly swaying between utter despair and this. It's exhausting. 555 00:34:26,219 --> 00:34:28,000 The law needs time. 556 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,580 We are building something. 557 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,060 Let it fucking build. 558 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,100 Stop worrying about the New York Times getting there before you. This is your 559 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,679 case. I'm not worried about the New York Times. 560 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:38,120 I don't have Sienna Miller as a client. 561 00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:42,620 You don't have Sean Hall in your pocket, but we are all working together. Stop 562 00:34:42,620 --> 00:34:43,639 doing that thing with your hands. 563 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,380 I have another one for you. A former politician. 564 00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:50,840 Apparently, he's had sight of Margot's notebook. 565 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,660 I've been reluctant to share him because I think he's tricky, but you want 566 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:58,660 everyone. 567 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,540 What I'm interested in is in Mulcair's notebooks. 568 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,440 I've no interest in what it shows, but there'll be a name at the top corner of 569 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,100 the notes, which is the name of someone at the News of the World. 570 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,940 Have you read what the Guardian has written about me, about this case? 571 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,560 Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case which became a perjury case, a process of 572 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,240 disclosure on which allowed him access to Mulcair and to his paperwork. 573 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,180 And he's right. 574 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,420 The Guardian haven't been kind about him. 575 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,260 What I'm going to do is to build a case against Andy Coulson and the culture of 576 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:35,780 the news of the world that the hacking was endemic. Yes, there's a name. No, 577 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:38,180 can't see it. And you certainly can't print it. 578 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,820 I don't trust journalists, Nick. 579 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:42,718 Not anymore. 580 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,660 Okay, the name is important because it undermines the one rogue reporter 581 00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:51,760 argument which Coulson keeps hiding behind. The more editors and senior 582 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,580 journalists we can implicate, the more we show them lying. 583 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:03,450 Greg Miskew. 584 00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:06,490 Greg Miskew, you sure? 585 00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:08,630 I didn't tell you? 586 00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:10,170 You're not printing it? 587 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:12,810 Greg Miskew was news editor, later assistant editor. 588 00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:17,170 He's retired now, but he reported directly to Coulson. I know who Greg 589 00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:19,730 now. Do you know how significant this is? This could blow the lid off. This 590 00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:21,070 to be off the record. 591 00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,370 Do you understand that you're representing yourself in court? 592 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:33,830 Yes. What if I was to help you? 593 00:36:35,470 --> 00:36:36,470 Go on. 594 00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:40,190 There's very little I know a lot about, but this issue is one of them. I could 595 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:42,810 feed you questions, help with your research, all for nothing. 596 00:36:43,090 --> 00:36:44,090 For the name of the notebook. 597 00:36:44,350 --> 00:36:48,750 That name is dynamite. Greg Miskew is dynamite. And you can print it because 598 00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:49,790 it's been stated in court. 599 00:36:50,050 --> 00:36:52,050 I have an idea who you should call as a witness. 600 00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:55,050 Go on. 601 00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:56,550 Andy Coulson. 602 00:36:59,110 --> 00:37:00,110 You're a traitor. 603 00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:05,970 Start by asking him about Greg Miskew. He'll deny any knowledge. 604 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:11,430 Mr. Coulson, these are the written notes of the former News of the World 605 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:13,650 employee, Glenn Mulcair. 606 00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:15,850 Contractor, not employee. 607 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:20,610 Mr. Coulson, do you recognize the name of the top left -hand corner of the 608 00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:21,930 It says Greg. 609 00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:23,310 This is the big one. 610 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:29,790 Do you think that name refers to the former assistant editor, Greg Miskew? 611 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,840 Not to my knowledge, no. Do you have any knowledge of Greg Miskew ordering Glenn 612 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,860 Mulcair to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone? Are you telling me that you never 613 00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:44,060 ordered or were unaware of Greg Miskew ordering Mr. Mulcair to tap my phone? 614 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:49,220 No. I had absolutely no knowledge of it, and I certainly didn't instruct anyone 615 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:55,440 to do anything of the type. Interesting, because Sean Hall in the New York Times 616 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,760 stated that he played you hacked. 617 00:37:58,390 --> 00:38:02,150 Voicemail. I remain confident there is no evidence to support Mr. Hall's 618 00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:03,330 accusations. That's my position. 619 00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:06,590 Do you have any comment on why Mr. Hall would have made those accusations? 620 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:10,250 You should ask Mr. Hall. How bad was the culture at your newspaper? 621 00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:14,830 I don't accept there was any culture of phone hacking at the News of the World. 622 00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:21,550 There was one unfortunate case involving Clive Goodman, and no one was more 623 00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:22,550 sorry about it than me. 624 00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:24,970 And that's why I resigned. 625 00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:27,530 Tommy Sheridan. 626 00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:32,470 We got Miskew's name out there. It wasn't enough, but we're rattling 627 00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:33,470 cage. 628 00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:36,270 Well, let's see if this sends him over the edge. 629 00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:39,070 This was lodged in the High Court this morning. 630 00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:42,350 Worth mentioning, in real life, he made me go to the courthouse to pick this up 631 00:38:42,350 --> 00:38:43,350 myself. 632 00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:45,110 Possibly not worth mentioning. 633 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:50,950 Mulcair blagged her phone number. I changed my phone twice, and somehow they 634 00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:53,510 always got it. It wasn't just her phone they were inside of. 635 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:58,460 They targeted Sienna's mother, her boyfriend, his assistant, her publicist. 636 00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:02,980 analysed my item on phone bills and then we used them to force the police to 637 00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:04,700 hand over calls made by Mulcair. 638 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:08,200 The police were sitting on this information for four years, I'll remind 639 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:09,700 John Yates. 640 00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:10,820 Four years. 641 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,260 And then we linked them to the news of the world stories. 642 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,080 There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes. 643 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:20,800 A name we haven't heard before. 644 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,040 A name. 645 00:39:22,270 --> 00:39:23,410 that could change everything. 646 00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:24,710 Tell me the name. 647 00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:28,230 Ian Edmondson. 648 00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:32,810 Ian Edmondson? You reported directly to Coulson? Ian Edmondson is the current 649 00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:34,790 news editor of the News of the World. 650 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,940 Miss Q and Edmondson, chief reporter, former news editor, current news editor. 651 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:54,019 That is a culture. 652 00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:56,040 A culture Coulson has created. 653 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,940 We don't survive this. 654 00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:06,440 Just heard. Good work, Nick. 655 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000 Is it the kick? 656 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,220 No, no, no. 657 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,320 It's about your father. 658 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,940 God, I'm so sorry, Nick. 659 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,720 Yeah, Graham. 660 00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:10,920 We found two crates in an old DPS office. 661 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:13,280 A cleaner found them. 662 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,600 Sold evidence on James Ward. 663 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,400 But we told the judge we'd declared everything on Lord. 664 00:41:24,020 --> 00:41:25,020 I'm sorry. 665 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:29,860 How about that? 666 00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:33,720 Now this is the end, right? 667 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,440 Do you want the official answer or the honest answer? 668 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:40,000 We don't survive that. 669 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,040 I don't understand. 670 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,700 How can they accuse us of withholding evidence when you didn't even know that 671 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,260 the crazy... It was a disused police building. 672 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,140 Nothing to do with your team, right? 673 00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:56,340 Yeah. 674 00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:59,460 The office was locked for years. Nobody knew anything about it. 675 00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:07,240 But even if we could make the case that we weren't withholding the files, the 676 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:13,400 contents, the details about James Ward, they didn't originally disclose to us. 677 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,100 If we'd have had the files earlier, we may have been able to deal with it, but 678 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:25,920 all of it together, it's years and years and years 679 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,920 gone. 680 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,100 All because someone left some files in the wrong room. 681 00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:39,330 It's like everyone forgot all the people in their court. 682 00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:43,050 This was supposed to be about Daniel. 683 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:15,350 I really loved him. 684 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:16,850 I know. 685 00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:18,210 He was heavenly. 686 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:22,870 You're very complicated, but I really loved him. 687 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:28,410 The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. 688 00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:31,450 He makes me lie down in green pastures. 689 00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:33,910 He leads me beside still waters. 690 00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:36,290 He restores my soul. 691 00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:40,050 He leads me in right paths for his name's sake. 692 00:43:41,130 --> 00:43:45,090 Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no evil. 693 00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:49,930 For you are with me, your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 694 00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:54,550 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. 695 00:43:55,970 --> 00:44:00,430 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life. 696 00:44:01,010 --> 00:44:05,230 And I shall dwell in the house of the Lord my whole life long. 697 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:26,960 On the 14th of January, 2011, Rebecca Brooks asked her secretary to find 698 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,760 somewhere discreet for her to meet Andy Coulson. 699 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,440 She did so the next day at 7 .45 a .m. at the Hawken Hotel in Belgravia. 700 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,380 We don't know what Brooks said to Coulson during that meeting, but we do 701 00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:42,920 that on the 21st of January, Andy Coulson resigned. 702 00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:49,140 He said, unfortunately, continued coverage of events connected to my old 703 00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:50,140 At the news of the world. 704 00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:55,700 has made it difficult for me to give the 110 needed in this role i stand by what 705 00:44:55,700 --> 00:45:01,940 i said about those events but when a spokesman needs a spokesman it's time to 706 00:45:01,940 --> 00:45:07,100 move on thank you thank you 707 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:17,680 this 708 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,220 is the end of a long, as I am sure everyone associated with this case will 709 00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:25,300 agree, exhausting road. 710 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,640 In all the years that I have been a judge, I have never come across a case 711 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,520 which there have been so many issues or such complex issues to be resolved 712 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,340 before a trial could even get underway. 713 00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:45,620 The family will inevitably be disappointed by the outcome, but they, I 714 00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:47,280 should be commended. 715 00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:51,790 on the dignity with which they have faced these proceedings. 716 00:45:53,310 --> 00:46:00,150 Mr. Rees, Mr. Fillory, Mr. Glenn Vian, Mr. Gary Vian, please stand. 717 00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:07,430 You are free to go. 718 00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:13,150 Verdicts of not guilty have been entered in all of your cases. 719 00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:16,090 Thank you all. 720 00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:29,610 Your dad? 721 00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:30,910 Yep. 722 00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:33,530 He was a nice man. 723 00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:35,050 You didn't know him. 724 00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:38,450 You made him sound nice. 725 00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:46,970 And to Andy Coulson. 726 00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:50,590 May he disappear and never come back. 727 00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:57,590 I may as well tell you we're reporting it tomorrow. 728 00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:02,190 Murdoch's going for full control of B -Sky B. 729 00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:06,270 I did hear it was possible. 730 00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:10,370 If he gets that, he'll be able to leverage a serious amount of debt. 731 00:47:10,810 --> 00:47:12,530 By more, by bigger. 732 00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:15,990 We're talking world domination. 733 00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:18,330 Why are you telling me this? 734 00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:22,550 To remind you it's not over. 735 00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:27,450 Remind me that they cut Coulson loose to save him. 736 00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:31,690 It's all a false victory. 737 00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:33,090 Not false at all. 738 00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:37,230 Dissection is a slow process. We tackle them. 739 00:47:38,770 --> 00:47:42,570 One limb at a time. And eventually they run out of limbs. 740 00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:44,630 Do they? 741 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:57,000 We rest. We lick our wounds. We take stock. No, I don't. 742 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,000 I don't think so. I think on this story, I think you need to find someone to 743 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000 take over. 744 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,860 Sometimes you need to know when to stop. 745 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,060 A bit of fresh air might be an odour. Oh, I'm fine. 746 00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:56,300 Well, you're not. 747 00:48:57,340 --> 00:48:58,340 I'm all right. 748 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,400 Oh, you're not, mate. 749 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,560 Someone I wanted to meet. 750 00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:05,820 He helped me. 751 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:07,560 I think he can help you. 752 00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:11,500 Get showered, get dressed. I'm not leaving till you do it. 753 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,440 I'm serious. 754 00:49:56,509 --> 00:49:59,470 David Cook, Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown, David Cook. 755 00:49:59,790 --> 00:50:03,630 I know a lot about you, DCS. I appreciate you coming all this way. 756 00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:05,690 No problem. 757 00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:07,990 I'm interested to hear more about what's happened to you. 758 00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:10,790 I think I might be able to help. 59778

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