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Previously on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

My mom's moved in with me. Gwen and Gwen's boyfriend is here.

I'm like running like a youth hospital and an elderly hospital.

My mom just had a big surgery in December.

There's only a certain percentage of recovery here.

Make peace with that relationship.

What I witnessed on the plane, Meredith started going for Brittany. And Lisa was

in her ear just pouring fuel on the fire. This thing spun into something

not. I vented to a friend. I didn't even say. It's not spun into something. Was

it Meredith? I was there.

It might take all of us saying that's not what happened.

Hello. Hi. Oh, God.

You ready for lunch? Me too.

I'm getting here.

Bye, fly.

Mary's church service was beautiful.

It's so nice, so beautiful.

When we first got to the church, I felt like everyone's energy was off.

Well, it was like that when we walked up. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, they were

like, why are you here, basically?

They come in, they're all smiles, nothing's happened, nothing's gone

Them showing up so fake like nothing happened, that makes me even more

uncomfortable.

I know. What do you think is going to happen at lunch now? I think that

going to spin it and make it someone else's fault.

It's going to be all of our fault.

Hi, guys.

Hey. Thank you.

Mary.

Welcome, darling.

Congratulations. This is so elegant.

Your outfit is so beautiful. Oh, my God. Thank you.

After the plane ride, everyone is not forgiving.

Everyone is not healed.

So, Lord, help us all.

Everyone in your church is so welcoming.

Like, I feel like that's what our church is built on, is love.

Hi. Broadway.

Oh, Mary, thank you.

Oh, yeah. I ran right to you. Sorry. Don't hurry on. Of course it is. Of

it is. Thank you. Cheers.

What a beautiful service. It was unbelievable. Thank you, Mary.

Hello, gentlemen.

Hello. Hello. Hi, guys. Hello.

You were in your element.

Hi.

Welcome.

Hi. First lady of St.

Pentecostal. It was so beautiful and wonderful.

Thank you for coming. I love the baby.

This one might not be okay. Oh, he's moving.

He's a snooze fast. We'll give that one to Meredith.

Oh, hello.

Hey, guys. You guys look so good. Everybody looks fabulous.

Hello. Oh,

your guests are here.

Hello. How are you, Mary? That was amazing. Thank you.

Your guests are here.

What is wrong with you? I felt your whole heart. I loved it. Oh, thank you.

sweet.

I have a highway.

Okay. And there's data fish, Lisa.

Wait, where?

They're over there.

Oh. There you go.

Oh, my gosh. Are you kidding?

Do I get to go home with the fish?

A goody bag is usually a gift for me, not a responsibility for me. I mean, the

more the merrier. I'm an empty nest, which doesn't mean I can't care for a

These fish, they kill each other, so you have to separate them. They're fighting

fish, just like my friends.

Should we get seated?

So this is the Dom Perignon

2006. Yes, it is. Oh, my goodness. Should we do a cheer? Should I be

the tears of the deceased that made it happen?

Not the tears of the deceased.

You guys are drinking down there. You're on 2003.

In 2003, it was a heat wave. 5 ,600 people died, and it made the best grapes

all time.

Oh, thank you so much.

So I invited you all because this was an important day, and I felt

like I needed a group around me of...

I feel like real friendship. If you notice, the one's not here, which is

Brittany. And I did let her know why she wasn't invited.

I just want you to know that I'm having my event today, and I did not invite

you because you told me that I was the most ungodly person that you've ever

Okay. You are the least Christ -like person I have ever met in my entire

I meant it. I thought in the moment because I felt like you were super mean

God wouldn't be mean to people. But it was a really terrible thing to say. And

I'm sorry.

I appreciate that.

She did apologize, which shocked me. And she meant it.

She meant it. And I just about hit the floor. I looked at my dog and I was

should I invite her? Do you think that I should invite her?

I'm like, give me a paw if I should just change my mind and invite her.

No. But he didn't give me a possible. She's not here.

Okay.

And I feel like if he can apologize,

we should be able to come together

and understand each other, understand why we're hurt, understand, you know,

really happened or what didn't happen, and just apologize.

And say, you know what?

I'm sorry if that offended you or I'm sorry. Oh, my gosh. That's a magical

sentence. Are you listening, Lisa? Are you listening to what Mary's saying? Are

you listening to what Mary's saying?

Is this a fight?

I talked to Lisa about it, but there was no I'm sorry said. And you didn't say

I'm sorry to me. And I was trying to tell you I was deeply offended.

What was you hurt about?

Well, I was hurt that like this really great, amazing trip ended up in Brittany

being like corralled off a plane.

By us sobbing.

She can't even stand Brittany.

And she can't stand Brittany. And they were caressing her and helping her. It

was a very intense, horrible situation.

And, like, you both are like, nothing happened.

She's crazy. And, like, you're crazy. I didn't say nothing happened.

I did nothing to Brittany. I don't agree with what she said. And I'm not going

to be held responsible for what she said. I'm paraphrasing. We never

what even happened.

Okay, tell me what happened that warranted our trip ending with one of

friends, like, never wanting to be in the same room as you or you again. She

holds both of you equally accountable. Well, that's weird. I was reacting to

very malicious actions, and the reaction was not right time, not right place. I

mean, girl, it was much more than wrong place, wrong time.

I'm Meredith's friend, and I feel like Meredith was beyond upset.

I was upset on the plane, venting to my friend, crying. Yeah, she was crying.

Well, because what we all witnessed was different. It was like you were taunting

Brittany and calling her name. She didn't try to. It was all, like, to me.

was in earshot so that Brittany could hear it. It was all to me.

Everything she said was to me. She had over -the -ear headphones and a movie or

something on. And she could still hear you.

Meredith was absolutely diabolical on the airplane.

There would be brief moments of peace.

And then it would slowly pick up again, and it would kind of crescendo.

She has ranges of emotion and tone and volume. We were in the disgusting and

vile range for a solid two hours.

You are vile! You utterly disgust me!

The fact that these girls exacerbated this into something that it wasn't is

of bullshit.

I vented on a plane to a friend for...

maybe 30 minutes, and suddenly I'm the bad guy?

We were there, we heard it, and we were present. And if all of us are saying

what we heard and it's all lining up against what she said that she actually

did, then here we are.

Brittany's hair was wet. We took care of Brittany after the fight because she

was hyperventilating, sobbing because she was terrorized for five hours. Oh,

gosh. Okay, well, I slept and watched two movies, so it was not five hours.

again. What movies did you watch?

I watched Crazy Rich Asians because we had the same thing. Yeah, Crazy Rich

Asians and one other movie I don't recall the name of.

Then what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians?

What? Are we really doing this? I don't remember. You think I remember?

Well, I usually remember movies I watch. Do you? Crazy Rich Asians has a big

ending. It's a big moment. You'll remember. Think of it. I honestly don't

remember. Did you watch it? I did.

How does it end? How does it end?

He goes on the plane and he, like, stops everyone

and, like, is like, I want to marry you. I was going to do it by a pond or

something. And then that didn't happen. And then they have, like, a big party

for them.

Is it good?

And were there synchronized swimmers?

No. I obviously fell asleep before the end because I didn't see that part.

Were you sleep talking?

No, I was not. Because I was awake the entire flight and I could hear you the

entire flight.

Well, that's impossible.

I heard you yelling back there.

Five rows in front of you and I heard you yelling. It's not true.

She was sobbing because of what you were saying about her. You were screaming,

screaming horrific things. I was not screaming.

And we all saw the same thing, Meredith.

You lost it.

I think Meredith has the right to, like, lose her... Sometimes, I think, not to

be friends. No, you know what? Sometimes with friends, and you can't hold your

emotions in. Okay, so it's unforgivable from Heather.

Move on, move on. Everybody requires an apology.

Do you feel bad that Brittany is upset?

I already told her I feel bad that she's upset. You don't feel bad that

Brittany's upset. I already told you. I feel badly that I hurt Brittany's

feelings. Unfortunately, Brittany does not feel badly at all that she hurt my

feelings.

So, there's nowhere to go, and at the end of the day, she doesn't like me, and

don't like her. We don't need to be friends. Everyone can move on. Feeling

is different from sorry. Are you sorry you hurt her feelings?

I'm sorry that she heard me venting and it hurt her. Yes, I am. Okay. But I'm

entitled to my feelings. You are. You are. Yeah, but Meredith, you lost the

right to cry when you guys harassed her on the plane.

I lost the right to my feelings.

You lost the privilege to speak about it.

Okay, well, then that's great. Look at me. So stop talking to me then.

A little more.

A little more.

Thank you.

You told me I lost my privilege to speak. Okay, so hang me on the four

said because I'll explain why I said those words.

I said them because I felt like we got on the plane having your back.

And whatever happened on the plane swapped that right on its head. And it

to you and Lisa looking like bullies.

You were mad. You were telling us all to take notes. And you left the plane and

you left the plane.

And you guys did not seem upset at all. Brittany, however, had to be like

physically carried through customs by us. So for me to say you lost your

privilege to hang your hat on the victim, you did.

Because whatever happened on the plane.

Tipped the scales, and you're in the wrong.

Whatever happened on the plane, tipped the scales, and you're in the wrong.

I lost my privilege to speak, so I won't speak. That's fine.

For Heather not to give me benefit of the doubt and a little bit of grace is

actually shocking.

She should just be a human being and not a judgmental bitch.

It is okay for you to be upset. Thank you.

So, Lisa, had I treated you like that on the plane, would you have thought that

was okay? I think she felt like, holy, that was a...

Nightmare, and I don't know how I'm going to navigate my way out of this. I

not feel that at all. Why didn't you go through customs with that?

I actually have global entry and should have used it.

Wait, you have global entry? I didn't realize that.

I was like, it's not on my app or anything, so I didn't realize it. It

my ticket. I don't know why.

I like this lie because it's so obvious that she's lying. You don't add global

entry to your ticket. Global entry is something that you have.

You're identified as this person. It's not like TSA pre -check on your ticket.

It's not something that you forget to add.

It's something that you don't have, Lisa.

Like, why didn't you use it? You did not use it to stay back with Brittany. I

didn't realize until I was in the line. But then you stayed in the line by

yourself for five hours and didn't use it?

Don't worry about it.

Why didn't you stay by Brittany, though?

I needed space. I had my AirPods in, and I was listening to Kendrick Lamar. Not

Kendrick. The way I was telling you, I do love Kendrick.

I'm a Kendrick girl. Lisa, we were all there. I can't imagine having to sit

to Meredith in that moment of rage.

I'm not attacking you.

I don't think you are. I'm really not. I love you. I care about you.

And, you know, you were hurt.

And I know that.

I didn't have a lot of support at that point.

Meredith, we love you.

We support you.

I supported you in that moment.

I did not like what Brittany did to you, and I think everyone would agree.

Meredith, I mean, you basically said to me, if I pick Brittany and side with

Brittany when you're hurting, we're done. I don't want to feel like that

you. I didn't say we're done.

I said it was noted.

But that's exactly what Brittany said to you. Like, if you're going to side with

Meredith... I didn't threaten you.

I just said I'm aware of that. Okay, I see it. You're going to side with

Brittany. It's noted.

That's not what was said to Lisa. Lisa was threatened.

She said, I'm going to come for you if you don't agree with me. No, she said,

I'm going to have a problem with you if you don't agree with me. But you did

say... That's not how Brittany speaks, first of all. One thing you did say in a

very classy way was like... In a classy way? No, no, no. She basically said it's

you or Brittany.

To her, you did say that. I did not say that.

Thank you. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I did not say that.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the things your friends are saying

did come out of your mouth because you were emotional and that's okay? I know

what I said. Well, why does Mary, Heather, and Whitney have the same story

then you have a different story? The only thing they're saying is that I

Whitney for the TikTok. Why don't we stop playing the game of Clue and just

hey, they didn't like your behavior.

They didn't like that you were upset. That's the bottom line. It is. But you

not stop.

You didn't. And I don't know that you don't remember. The fact that you don't

remember concerns me. It really does.

I do remember.

Yeah. I do remember. I got on the plane. I vented to Lisa for a little bit. I

put on a movie. I fell asleep. I woke up. No, I was venting to a friend. I

know if you remember everything, though. I really don't.

I'm not going to go back and forth on all this. I remember everything.

But they remember what you're saying behind my back. So let's not go there,

Whitney.

She's not saying anything behind your back.

I have not said anything behind your back except for voicing my concern about

the situation.

I guess I have misinformation, perhaps. You know, there's one person that I

talked to who said something to Meredith.

Uh -oh.

I'll tell you.

If Meredith doesn't want to, I will.

You and I had lunch, and I talked to Meredith, and I said, what happened on

plane?

She told me her side, and I said, well, it's being told to me that they saw you

drinking in the club before you got on the plane.

Did you see her drinking at the airport or on the plane?

Yeah, in the airport lounge.

Drinking on the plane, and it's being said that maybe you don't remember what

you said, what you did. She told me she watched a movie, she went to sleep. Do

you not remember?

Do you black out?

I do not have a substance abuse problem. I haven't even said that. And, Bronwyn?

What were the implications that you walked away from the conversation? You

drinking heavily and you didn't remember.

Do you want to know how I felt? I'll tell you.

I think it could be of three things, okay?

So either you have hatred in your heart.

You have an anger problem.

I don't have an anger problem. Or you have a problem mixing substances.

Do you think it's fair that based on what I witnessed, I would assume those

three things. No, because what you're saying you witnessed, I don't believe,

you're a known liar.

Look, I think it sounds like you were wrong on the plane.

I've tried to be supportive of you. I've tried to ask a lot of questions, and I

tried to have your back because I thought that was a step too far. And I

appreciate that.

But then you outed it at this table.

No, I gave her a chance to tell me herself, and she didn't.

I never said a word.

I never said what it was, and I never said who said it.

Now I've damaged my relationship with Whitney trying to help you. You do

you were wrong, right?

I mean, you feel like you were wrong. I was reacting to her behavior.

What more is it you want from me? I don't know what I'm going to do with

Brittany. So that's all I can say for now. You don't have to have the answer,

you know? Yeah.

I'm not my coordination.

You get it. That's it. Yeah, yeah.

Pull it.

Pull it like your life depends on it. If you can talk, that means you're not

working out hard enough. I don't agree with that.

You're skiing.

You're going down a mountain.

The snow is hitting you in the face. There you go.

You're just belching out the sun.

Okay. Okay.

On the top shelf there is like a pink, what is that called?

A whisk. A whisk, yeah, thank you.

I was emailing this morning with my attorney about my citizenship.

Oh, what's happening with that?

Surprise! I am not actually an American citizen.

I was born in Brazil, and my parents are from the UK, so I had dual citizenship

in both.

And a few years ago, I decided I wanted to become a U .S. citizen and get to

vote, and honestly, I might be the only person in America excited about jury

duty. I have an outfit in mind. I'm very ready to do my duty.

My siblings were all born here. They all got their U .S. passports

automatically. And then we had an oops.

You can't call me an oops to my face.

Hi. What do you think of the office?

You guys haven't seen it yet, have you?

Brand new office.

I know. I've been working hard on it. When did you get all this stuff? Where

it from?

I ordered it all from Wayfair, all from the same place.

Sit in the chairs. They swivel.

I can hardly recognize my life right now.

I lived in this small home for 20 years, raised my kids there.

Yeah, do a passe.

Oh, hit it.

Now I have this huge house.

With my own office, with a pool, and three daughters going to college. So I

be here and I can be watching my bird.

Wait, are you using bird glasses right now?

Well, they're not bird glasses. They're called binoculars.

And it's totally rewarding and fulfilling in a way that I never

imagined. But I also noticed that the binoculars work on the pool boys.

Oh! There's something about manual labor that just... It's fascinating.

You are fascinated by this.

Didn't pool boys be in swimsuits? Like overage for a pool boy. Oh, yeah.

Well, he's a pool man.

Hey, Mayor.

Hi. Oh, you have it all ready for me. I love this.

I have had the craziest work day. Is there someone that can do my nail while

here, too?

I broke one yesterday, and it's driving me nuts.

I am so busy with work and slam and all this nonsense with everyone from the

lunch. I literally am like, what was that? I know. Weird.

I was the most surprised by Heather.

Mm -hmm. I don't expect her to take my side, but I expect it a little bit.

Support as a friend. I felt like she was leading the charge against me. She had

the biggest problem. Me and you, yeah. She was a judge and jury. That was

but quite frankly, not as big of an issue to me as Whitney.

Why is she sitting there trying to judge my mental health and my

drinking? These are damaging false rumors to spread about somebody. When

Whitney get a degree in psych?

Is she a psychologist now? For a woman who's on every journey under the sun

killing to religion to whatever, I think she could focus on herself.

Like, why is she focusing on me?

How do you plan to move forward with Whitney?

I don't.

It seems to me like they're trying to exacerbate the situation with Brittany.

had a conversation with Brittany. I met up with Brittany.

Oh, how did that go?

She... emotionally feels like she experienced a lot so

we really haven't talked since the trip what i've been hearing which is that you

don't feel like you contributed i don't

I feel like you were absolutely as complicit as the person accosting me.

think your recollection of what happened on the flight is inaccurate.

How? I feel like I was helping you out, whether you want to believe it or not.

It was literally like the sixth worst thing that has ever happened to me in my

entire life.

Is there anything that you can actually say?

I'm sorry, Brittany, for not dot, dot, dot. But I did apologize to you.

I feel badly that you didn't feel like I was supporting you when I felt like I

was.

I feel like we're in a good space.

We're never going to agree on what happened on the plane. That's never

happen. But I do feel bad that our feelings were hurt. Here's the thing,

As far as it goes with Brittany, I'm sorry for her.

Yeah. I feel sorry for her as a human being, period.

And that's why I'm just going to be the bigger person and move on. Has she been

horrible to me? Yes. Yes.

But do I feel sorry for Brittany that she can't hold a relationship?

She's, you know, struggles professionally.

One hundred percent. It's kind of like just a sad specimen.

She was asking me how you feel. And I said, I think you should talk to

Thank you. I'm happy to talk to Brittany.

Call Heather Gay.

What's up, babe? I'm on my way.

Do you have a truck?

It's so big, so I need you to come out in your driveway and help guide me in,

okay?

Pull straight.

Towards you?

Yeah, pull straight.

I can back up, too.

No, we're clear. Just go fast.

Why fast? Keep going. Fast, fast, fast.

Faster, faster.

Wait, don't hit the mailbox. Stop.

Back it up. And then perfect.

Stop.

Stop. Are we going to the funeral?

Yeah, the funeral of the mattress.

I did not want to keep my marital mattress for 20 years because of some

sentimental feeling.

I was just frozen in time.

And it's starting to rain, which I think is appropriate.

Tears from heaven. It's cleansing.

Look, this is not a mattress tossing. This is a funeral. Let's do this. Okay.

It's a funeral for the life that is now gone forever.

I think I just broke the box springs with my heels.

You're aerating the box spring. It's going to pierce. I've got to get the

off. Give me some balance.

Oh, my gosh. Don't look at me.

Let's turn it around so that the stained sides are not on the camera.

Okay. Turn it this way.

Look away.

More than a few men on here. And a few chickens. Okay, rest assured, these are

not sex stains, okay?

We got momentum!

Not one sperm was spilt on the mattress.

Go way low, Whitney.

Whoa! God does not like waste, and I was a good Mormon.

This mattress went from our very first apartment in Huntington Beach to our

first house for 20 years, and then to this house.

This wrote two books.

This bore three babies.

This lived 14 years of marriage.

Yeah, I saw it. And now it's time.

Time. For something new. I'm sure there's a metaphor somewhere in there,

like, I'm keeping my expectations low.

Do you have the address?

Yes, I do, on my phone. It's a mattress recycling place. I just want a bed to

sleep on that isn't stained with 20 years of broken dreams.

So, vultures.

I'm her scapegoat. I've realized this. Like, she always has had... It has to

have someone to be mad at and to point the blame, but I genuinely am concerned

for her.

I'm worried that she really did black out. I've told you many times in

like, it reminds me of what my dad was like.

It's got to be so triggering.

It is.

When someone blacks out, from my experience, it's usually a mix of

drugs, or a bad combination of prescriptions that you shouldn't have.

So by Meredith not taking accountability.

That's another trigger for me of dealing with addicts in my life. Like, my

father for years never had a problem.

And it just sucks because I was fully planning on talking to Meredith and

telling her my concerns for her as her friend. I would have never, ever told

Bronwyn what I experienced on the plane had I known that little coward would run

straight to her like a venomous, hungry snake.

I like your outfit. I like her. I feel pretty.

Thanks.

Perfect.

I'm still recovering from what happened to me on the plane ride. I'm still very

raw. But it did give me clarity on what I need to focus on right now. And that

is reconnecting with Olivia.

Brittany? Hi.

Welcome to Purple Sky. I'm Ashley. We need some professional help.

Why don't you share with me kind of what brings the two of you here today?

Do you want to go ahead? Do you want me to go or do you want to go?

I mean, I don't even know where to begin. That's the problem.

Things were good until she divorced my dad.

Okay. And that's fine. That had its own hardships.

But she did get married fairly quickly.

He was kind of her whole world.

We weren't her priority. We weren't even close to being her priority. When she

married her second husband, she honestly became more of a mom to my new

step -siblings than to me and my sister because she wanted her husband to

appreciate her more, love her more.

And I moved out of my mom's house to live with my dad. We didn't talk for a

while.

From my perspective, it was seven years of her neglecting her children.

She put all of her time and attention into her new stepkids.

Like, she would celebrate their wins, but then not ours, and just kind of

left my sister and I.

I feel like we have a connection.

And so even though, like, you haven't done and made the best decisions,

I still find myself wanting a relationship with you.

Yeah. But my brain's telling me that I'm going to get hurt more than I'm going

to get any love out of it.

I wish there was some way to tell her that I've learned, that I've grown.

And maybe that's why I want to understand why I did that, because I

like I would ever do that again. I would never, ever, ever allow myself to be

put in the cage where I can't be a mom to my kids.

Well, I mean, I think what the two of you are describing, right, is like a

really good representation of trauma.

That's what it is, right? It's this realization of even if it's different

time, it feels the same even if it's not.

Yeah. So if you could tell me, like, what is the number one goal for you in

coming and working on your relationship, what would it be?

I don't want anything.

For me, I just want you to have what you need for you to move on.

But that's not how family therapy works.

Like, you get things too.

Like you're just deserving as her to like move on and heal from what happened

your relationship.

I just don't feel like I am.

I don't feel like I'm worthy of anything.

For some reason, I feel the same way. What? Like I feel like I lived

so many years thinking that I wasn't lovable. And I feel like I often

with that. And so like letting people get close is hard. And I just feel like.

The second they get to know me, they're just going to leave again.

That's heartbreaking because she has so much to give, and if I had only made

different choices, my kids wouldn't have any of this trauma.

I really appreciate taking accountability that way.

Obviously the goal is to rebuild the relationship together, but I'm curious,

you think you have forgiven yourself?

No, I haven't at all.

I can't yet.

I can't even, like, begin to describe, like, the remorse and the self -loathing

I feel.

What's it like for you to hear your mom say that, like, she doesn't forgive

herself?

Weirdly enough, it feels kind of, like, reassuring to hear that she does

realize that what she did was wrong. Because I feel like you're...

My response to a lot of things is to shove it under the rug and act like

everything's perfect and we're a perfect family and we have a perfect

relationship. To hear her take accountability actually makes me feel

I just appreciate you wanting to give me a chance.

It means the world to me.

Okay, do you get it now?

Bonsai, buy me?

I was trying to explain it to you, and I knew you were not understanding it. You

said you smelled it, but I didn't get it. Like, buy.

Hi. Hi, welcome in. How are you?

I'm Bronwyn. Hi. This is my mom, Margie, and my daughter, Gwen. Hi, guys.

Welcome in.

This first part's a little tricky.

You've got to find the tree that really calls to you.

Bonsai's all about the beauty that you see in the tree.

And once you've found your special treat, we'll meet you back at your table

we'll make a really big mess. Okay, okay.

Are we all making a plant for your room? One for my chameleon and one for me.

First step, with your chopsticks, open up the root base. How loose does it need

to be? Hers feels pretty loose.

I'm not a very zen person.

Should we have a conversation with her?

You're done. But with everything that's going on with my parents and then Todd,

and after Mary's lunch.

I need some zen in my life.

I probably shouldn't have worn Valentino to sit here and do it.

So I'm hoping that these bonsai trees are little miracle workers.

How many chameleons do you think it could handle? She's talking about

her chameleon now.

No, I don't want to breed him. He's been looking for a mate.

He has been. How do you know he's looking for a mate? Sticks his penis out

walks around.

So I'm thinking I'm going to post something somewhere of being like, Are

any female chameleons in the area? And set him, like, a little date.

So he can just get it out of his system.

I think you should do that. I think I should. But it's not here. Okay, so

is it?

Portland.

What are you going to do in Portland?

I don't know. I just think it's a cool place.

Like, you told me you didn't want to go to BYU and you wish you could have gone

to New York and done the things you wanted to do and, like, have a new

experience. Yeah.

So, like, I have to have a new experience. I have to figure it out for

too. You can't just stay in the same spot.

Wise woman.

I really have never been alone.

I literally went from my parents' house to a very short stint at college and

then Gwen.

I think it's long past time that I was an adult by myself.

But Gwen's just more excited about spreading her wings in that way than I

Muddy, you're staying with me forever.

No, I'm not ready to peace out on you guys because I need...

I need some time, but I need to find my own space.

Is it Todd? Did Todd upset you? Because I can get rid of him.

I want to see that. I think Todd's going to get rid of you.

By all means, don't tempt me with a good time, okay?

Honestly, I know you're laughing, but it's really uncool that the two of you

have planned this at the same time to do this. He can come visit me. Dessert me.

I brought you here to make bonsai trees.

Why does that hurt your feelings? No one says that they hate you. They're just

saying that you have to, like, experience new things.

Okay. You're not wrong. It's just hard.

And I don't want to leave you. She thinks all the best days of her life are

still ahead of her, and these were the best days of my life was her being with

me.

It's not that I don't want you guys. I want you to be comfortable, and I want

her to go do all the things she wants to do and try all the things she wants to

do.

But I do feel like I'm being left behind.

I have really put so much into showing up for my mom when she was sick, showing

up for her when she needed help with my dad.

And I feel like we've just gotten to a good place and I kind of settled into a

routine and we can be giggly.

How many times are people going to accuse Todd of cheating on me before I

need somebody to tell me what's going on here?

It's like Lucille Ball. You've got some splating to do.

Do you want to try blowing out your candle?

Oh, Muzzy did it for you.

Muzzy's such a sneak. She did it for you, huh?

We're having these nice moments.

I just kind of feel like the progress that we've just made, it's like slipping

through my fingers if she moves out.

When you were coming back and forth from San Francisco to Utah on the weekend, I

knew that someday you'd be moving.

And it was hard.

You know it was hard, so don't do it to me. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

I'm just working on my bonsai. I know, you're on it.

They're playing. We're done.

I feel like I'm going to Tonya Harding both of you. I'm going to break both of

you's legs. And then when the two of you are like, oh, we can't take care of

ourselves. We have to stay here. I'll be like, shocking news.

Muzzy wants to bring her secret boyfriend over. I swear to God, if that

problem, I would be so happy. Muzzy already told me about it.

Boyfriend, I have a husband. What do you mean?

I would so support this for Muzzy.

Muzzy, do it.

No, thank you.

Hi, Brittany.

Hi.

Meredith reached out to me and asked me to meet up with her. I want to hear if

she's willing to own any of what happened. If she's willing to give me

of apology, I'm more than willing to own my part of it.

Thank you for coming here today. Yeah, it's really pretty.

I wanted you to come today because I wanted to talk to you face to face.

I want to tell you that I am sorry that you heard me talking to Lisa on the

plane.

And that it was definitely the wrong place, the wrong time.

And I feel terribly that I hurt your feelings.

I don't want to do that.

So I'm sorry for that.

You know, I try to treat people with kindness and respect.

And I don't feel like it's been an easy path for us. You

know, I think it's been a little bit difficult. And so I'm hopeful that we

move forward and, you know, at a bare minimum, treat each other with kindness

and respect.

Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you for that apology. That means a lot.

I still feel hurt and traumatized, but I've been thinking a lot about

forgiveness lately. I've been asking for forgiveness in my own life. So I'm

choosing for myself to forgive Meredith for what she did.

I mean, I'm not aware of the intricacies and the nuances of your relationship.

And I think it was really, it was a shady thing to do, to

bring it up to TikTok.

And I realized that it was a trigger for you.

And I'm sorry. To be clear, the real trigger was that you came in under the

premise that you were trying to help me when you were trying to hurt me.

Yeah, you're right.

So I appreciate you being honest about that. That actually means a lot. I

expect that.

You're welcome.

I apologize that her feelings were hurt.

She apologized for intentionally hurting me with the TikTok, so I'll take that

and move on in peace.

It's hard to have such contention because everyone's been really torn this

week, and it's been a big deal, and I don't want it to be a thing anymore.

I completely agree.

I don't know if we'll ever get there, but I think this...

Civility. Right. Let's start the bar now.

Civility is a good way to start.

Baby steps.

Baby steps. Baby steps. Yeah.

Next time on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

You think I can drive enough? You don't drive that well when you're not enough.

I don't want to ever do business with my husband again.

Bye.

You're a liar.

Alcoholic.

Pill popper.

Can I get more alcohol?

That's a shame that comes to this.

I brought everybody a gift. Multi -drug urine test cup.