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There's something that feels
forceful here.
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First, it will see you,
and it will get closer.
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♪♪
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Michelle: You should know
that it's here.
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Aaaaaaah!
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[ sinister music plays ]
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Is this place
a portal to hell?
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[ cawing ]
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-[grunts]
-[cries out]
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Oh, just [bleep].
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[ suspenseful music plays ]
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[ child giggling ]
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This is [bleep] nuts.
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[ asphyxiating ]
[ voices exhaling ]
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♪♪
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We believes
that you're demonic...
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[ cawing ]
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...So this should
really piss you off.
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[ voice exhales ]
[ bell tolling ]
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[ laughing ]
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[ sinister music plays ]
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[ voices exhaling ]
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♪♪
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Alright, so we are in
west virginia.
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And if you're interested
in investigating
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Probably one of the most
haunted locations ever,
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Trans-allegheny
might be your spot.
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But is it a portal?
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Yeah, and I think, too,
if we're looking at it
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Through the human lens,
then, you know,
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Thinking about all those people
that walked through those gates,
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Trans-allegheny literally became
their personal portal to hell.
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More to come.
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♪♪
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We are in probably
the number-one place
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I tell everybody to go to --
trans-allegheny lunatic asylum.
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-I'm nervous.
-Yeah?
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Yeah, this place, like,
you know,
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From everything I'm reading...
-Yeah.
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...It's the spot.
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♪♪
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Just the history of it is dark
and fascinating and weird.
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Originally, when it opened,
it was only designed
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To hold 250 patients.
-Mm-hmm.
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But it got to the point
where there was so much
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Overcrowding that they had
2,400 patients.
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So I mean, obviously, there was
not enough staff on board
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To take care
of all those people.
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-That's insane.
-Yeah.
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I just -- I'm having a hard time
wrapping my head around the fact
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That this place was open
until 1994.
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Yeah.
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You and I were alive
when this place was open.
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[ chuckles ] yeah. Yeah.
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We could have been
sent here.
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Yeah. [ laughs ]
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So as far as, like, hauntings
that have been reported here...
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Yeah.
...They've had
full-body apparitions.
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People have been scratched,
pushed.
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Hearing footsteps.
Seeing footsteps.
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Ticks a lot of boxes.
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It's got it all.
-Yeah.
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In north america,
it's the largest hand-cut
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Stone masonry building.
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And certain stones, especially
something like sandstone,
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Which has a high level
of quartz,
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Can basically record
emotional, traumatic events
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Such as the things we know
happened at trans-allegheny.
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So essentially,
we're looking at possibly
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One of the biggest recorders
for paranormal activity.
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Could it be a thing
where just places
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That have so much pain
and anguish and suffering
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Manifest
as some kind of portal?
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Yeah.
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You know, all that energy
turns into something that,
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You know, allows more
negative energy to grow.
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Also, you have 666 acres
with 13 buildings.
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-Is that really true?
-It's true.
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[ laughing ]
13 buildings, 666 acres.
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-Is this it?
-This is it, yeah.
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♪♪
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This is crazy.
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♪♪
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-Are you ready for this?
-Jack: Okay, let's do it.
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♪♪
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Enter if you dare.
[ gasps ]
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Jack:
We're gonna go meet rebecca.
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She is the owner
of the hospital now.
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Her and her father
purchased it a few years back.
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Rebecca conducts
ghost tours here.
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Katrina:
Great to see you.
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-Oh, you, too.
-Hi. How's it going?
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-And this must be jack.
-Jack.
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-Yes.
-Nice to meet you.
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-Nice to meet you.
-It's a pleasure.
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Thank you.
Thanks for having us.
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-Follow me this way.
-Yeah. Okay, great.
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♪♪
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Jack: What made you guys
decide to but it?
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Rebecca: They put it up
for auction, and dad decided
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He wanted to save it,
so here we are 11 years later.
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Okay, now, this is all about
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Walter freeman,
the famous lobotomist.
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Walter freeman
actually came here
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And performed
over 100 lobotomies.
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Jack: You know, a lot
of the practices here
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On the patients were, like,
experimental torture.
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There was a lot of death here.
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There was a lot of pain,
lot of human suffering.
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It's just twisted.
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He would line the patients up
without any type of consent.
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What they would do,
they would use an ice pick,
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Kind of like
in a windshield wiper motion,
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And that basically would
disconnect the frontal lobe
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From the rest of your brain.
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Basically, all of your ideas,
your thoughts, your personality,
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All of that is contained
in your frontal lobe,
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Which is the front part
of your brain.
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And he thought if
you're violent, you know,
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By taking those emotions
away from you,
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That would therefore
make the perfect patient.
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Katrina: It's never easy
hearing about because, I mean,
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You just think about --
even just a lobotomy
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And how that was done
just gives me shivers.
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It's just sad to know that
that many people
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Were subjected to it.
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♪♪
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How many documented deaths
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Does this place have
that you know of?
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So I know that there's been
thousands of deaths here.
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-Katrina: Yeah.
-I know we have over --
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We have three graveyards
on the farm,
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And I think it's just over 2,100
are in there right now.
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Jack and katrina: Wow.
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And those are ones that
the families basically...
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Jack: Were just like,
"whatever."
...Didn't claim, didn't pick up.
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-Katrina: Aw.
-Oh, it's -- it's terrible.
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Jack: This was actually, like,
death row, a prison,
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And an insane asylum
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And the executioner's chair
all in one.
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♪♪
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Rebecca: Let's head on
down here.
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I'd like to introduce you
to a lady named jane.
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-Katrina: Okay.
-Jack: Oh.
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Rebecca: This is the hall
where jane harvey lived.
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Katrina: Mm-hmm.
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And jane harvey was a patient
here in the 1890s.
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The only reason that we know
to actually look for jane
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Is 'cause people
have heard the name jane.
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She said
she harmed herself.
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So, about four years ago,
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I was able to get
these historic books
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Which record all
the deaths, basically,
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And the people being
admitted,
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And I find a jane harvey,
that she had killed herself.
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And where was her room?
Do you know?
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We believe it's
one of these right here.
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So because of paranormal
investigations happening here,
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People were collecting
kind of the stuff
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Coming through on their devices,
gave it to you...
Absolutely.
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And then as you were doing
historical research,
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You found something
that actually matched it.
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-Yes, we found her...
-Katrina: Yeah.
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...Which was -- which was
really interesting...
Jack: Wow.
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...And we have a full account
of her suicide.
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Wow.
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Basically, she'd just been
put in her room.
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She sat down in front
of her bed with a sheet,
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Tied it around her neck,
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And kneeled in front of the bed
and leaned forward.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Okay, now, this is ward f.
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It was originally designed
to have seven seclusion rooms.
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So this would have been for
the most violent male patients
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Here at the facility.
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And I want to tell you about
a murder that happened as well.
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If you check out these doors...
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I mean,
these are heavy steel doors.
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Jack: Yeah.
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And if you look at the inside,
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You can see the damage
that the patients would do.
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Katrina: Wow.
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The sheer power of someone
who is mentally ill...
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Yeah.
...And obviously upset
about something is amazing.
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♪♪
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This, we call
the bedpost murder room.
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We had two violent patients
in here with a person
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Who was mentally impaired.
And, you know,
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He was known to be one of
the sweetest patients out there,
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But every now and then,
he would have an outburst,
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And that's how he ended up
getting into this room.
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Now, the other two patients
were not nice people.
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[ chuckles ] put it that way.
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So, basically, they tied a sheet
around his neck,
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Threw it up around a pipe,
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And would basically raise him up
in the air
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Until he would pass out,
then would let him back down,
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Raise him back up again
until he passed out.
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Well, eventually, they realized
they were gonna
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Get into a lot of trouble.
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They laid this guy down
on the floor.
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They had a steel bed in here.
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Put the bedpost on his head,
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And as one held him there,
the other one jumped on the bed
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Until it pierced
his skull and brain.
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Ohh.
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-That is horrific.
-So messed up.
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That is horrific.
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When I was told about him,
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And this is what broke my heart
when I heard the story,
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Was that he spent
the whole day coloring
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At the feet of, like, a nurse.
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-Oh, yeah.
-Like, that was his mind.
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It was so childlike
and innocent.
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When did that happen,
the murder?
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Do you know?
-That was in the '80s.
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-In the '80s?
-Jack: Oh, wow.
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One of the men who killed him
actually recently passed.
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Recently, there has been
a black figure
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Outside of this ward
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That goes in between
the door of this ward
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To where the guests
would actually visit,
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And that's been happening
so much recently.
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♪♪
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Recently, there has been
a black figure
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Outside of this ward
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That goes in between
the door of this ward
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To where the guests
would actually visit,
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And that's been happening
so much recently.
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When did it start to increase?
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About two years ago,
when that man died.
Oh.
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-Oh, when he died.
-Rebecca: Yeah.
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But I'm curious if
that could be him
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Coming back here.
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-One of the murderers?
-Yeah.
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Jack: If that shadow is,
in fact, the spirit
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Of one of the murderers
and has come back here,
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That would imply
some kind of portal.
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♪♪
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Rebecca: When I take
you guys to the fourth floor,
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You're gonna feel it.
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♪♪
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Katrina: I think this is
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The most uncomfortable spot
for me.
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Well, this is basically
the most active area we have,
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This ward specifically and
the fourth floor completely.
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-Katrina: Yeah.
-We get a lot of touching...
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-Mm.
-...In this area.
250
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We've had a few occasions
251
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Of some people
getting scratched.
252
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Actually, this is --
I'd love to get valarie up here
253
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To tell you
some of her experiences.
254
00:10:37,337 --> 00:10:38,903
Okay.
Let's get her up here.
255
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♪♪
256
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-Rebecca: Oh, valarie.
-Hello.
257
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-Katrina: Nice to meet you.
-Nice to meet you, katrina.
258
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-Hey. How's it going? Jack.
-Nice to meet you, jack.
259
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Yeah, rebecca tells us
that this was an area
260
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Where you had pretty crazy
experiences.
261
00:10:51,952 --> 00:10:53,752
Yeah. Absolutely.
262
00:10:53,754 --> 00:10:56,021
I was sitting up here with
a group of people.
263
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Little bit later, I noticed
that my back was burning.
264
00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:03,028
There was an abrasion
little bit right of my spine.
265
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Was approximately an inch wide,
maybe 3 to 4 inches long.
266
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-Oh, wow.
-It burned really bad,
267
00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:13,338
And it was visible for at least
four days following the event.
268
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Katrina:
It looks like almost like
269
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You fell off a bike
or something.
270
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Valarie: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
271
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The next night,
after that had happened,
272
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I was sitting up here again,
roughly same time of night.
273
00:11:23,016 --> 00:11:24,683
It was then that I noticed
274
00:11:24,685 --> 00:11:27,385
This same kind of
intense burning on my arm.
275
00:11:27,387 --> 00:11:29,688
So I shifted the flashlight
to my arm,
276
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And the guide, myself,
277
00:11:31,391 --> 00:11:35,026
We watched three welts
develop down my arm.
278
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What do you think caused it?
279
00:11:36,563 --> 00:11:40,298
A part of me wants to say that
I was overstaying my welcome.
280
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Jack and katrina: Mm.
281
00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:43,535
There's something nasty up here.
282
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Either it's dormant
or goes elsewhere,
283
00:11:45,706 --> 00:11:47,772
But every once in a while,
284
00:11:47,774 --> 00:11:50,275
There's something up here
that doesn't want us here, yeah.
285
00:11:50,277 --> 00:11:51,876
Comes through, yeah.
286
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♪♪
287
00:11:54,915 --> 00:11:57,816
What's the most active place
for you?
288
00:11:57,818 --> 00:11:59,184
We're standing in it.
289
00:11:59,186 --> 00:12:05,023
I've witnessed this strange,
blobby-looking thing.
290
00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:07,625
We could see its shadow up
on the ceiling,
291
00:12:07,627 --> 00:12:11,196
And I saw what
I can only describe
292
00:12:11,198 --> 00:12:12,964
As something that looked
like a tentacle,
293
00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:17,202
And similar things have been
seen throughout the building.
294
00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:21,606
Predominantly, though, it likes
to hang out on the fourth floor.
295
00:12:21,608 --> 00:12:22,941
Hmm.
296
00:12:22,943 --> 00:12:25,510
♪♪
297
00:12:25,512 --> 00:12:28,379
Katrina:
We learned a lot of different
things from valarie, I think.
298
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She believes that
whatever's here is negative.
299
00:12:31,151 --> 00:12:33,585
So she believes that
this creepy-crawly thing
300
00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:36,221
That multiple people
have experienced
301
00:12:36,223 --> 00:12:37,589
Could be the negative thing.
302
00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:41,993
♪♪
303
00:12:41,995 --> 00:12:43,428
It's a lot.
Are you okay?
304
00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:45,497
I just know that, you know,
soon as this place gets dark,
305
00:12:45,499 --> 00:12:47,599
It's gonna be like,
"what the [bleep]?"
306
00:12:47,601 --> 00:12:48,767
Yeah.
307
00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:55,340
♪♪
308
00:12:55,342 --> 00:13:01,980
♪♪
309
00:13:01,982 --> 00:13:04,983
-So we have interesting news.
-Jack: Drop it on me.
310
00:13:04,985 --> 00:13:07,218
Our wonderful associate
producer, hannah...
311
00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:09,954
-Mm-hmm?
-...She did some digging for us,
312
00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:13,525
And did find an article that
you might find interesting.
313
00:13:13,527 --> 00:13:15,393
"a lewis county judge
has ordered
314
00:13:15,395 --> 00:13:17,195
"two severely ill
mental patients
315
00:13:17,197 --> 00:13:20,031
"accused of murdering another
patient at weston hospital
316
00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:23,434
To undergo competency tests."
317
00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:26,371
David mason, 25.
318
00:13:26,373 --> 00:13:29,240
James woods, 30.
319
00:13:29,242 --> 00:13:33,144
They were accused
of killing dean metheny.
320
00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:35,280
Let's write that name down
real quick.
321
00:13:35,282 --> 00:13:36,714
Bedpost murder.
322
00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:39,851
Well, we have the names
of the murderers now
323
00:13:39,853 --> 00:13:41,519
And we have the name
of the victim.
324
00:13:41,521 --> 00:13:44,589
We're kind of the first
investigative team to have them
325
00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:46,090
And be able to
put them out there.
326
00:13:46,092 --> 00:13:47,458
Katrina:
This is all-new information
327
00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:49,260
That we're able to confirm
with historic documentation.
328
00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:50,628
So it's all pretty important
329
00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:52,964
Because during the course
of the investigation,
330
00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:55,366
If we get anything
that matches the names
331
00:13:55,368 --> 00:14:00,338
Or even subjective experiences
as to how the victim died,
332
00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,440
Then it could kind of
corroborate all of that stuff
333
00:14:02,442 --> 00:14:03,708
That's been going on up there.
334
00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:05,810
We got some severe ground
to cover here.
335
00:14:05,812 --> 00:14:07,178
[ sighs ] we do, indeed.
336
00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:08,346
Alright, think warm thoughts.
Let's get cracking.
337
00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:09,480
Okay. Ready?
338
00:14:09,482 --> 00:14:10,648
[ thunder rumbles ]
339
00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:13,484
[ clock ticking ]
340
00:14:13,486 --> 00:14:15,153
So we have something
really cool
341
00:14:15,155 --> 00:14:17,055
That we can use for
our investigation tonight.
342
00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:20,425
This is a piece of artwork
done by one of the patients.
343
00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:23,228
So you can see
the back of it, too.
344
00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:25,697
"well," "power,"
"man of the year,"
345
00:14:25,699 --> 00:14:28,733
"healthy," "better,"
"enjoy."
346
00:14:28,735 --> 00:14:31,970
So it was actually made
by one of the murderers
347
00:14:31,972 --> 00:14:33,438
From the bedpost murders.
-Ohh!
348
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,341
We can use this as, like,
a trigger object.
349
00:14:46,453 --> 00:14:48,386
This is a piece of artwork
done by one of the patients.
350
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,855
So you can see
the back of it, too.
351
00:14:50,857 --> 00:14:54,125
So it was actually made
by one of the murderers
352
00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:55,593
From the bedpost murders.
-Ohh!
353
00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:58,329
We can use this as, like,
a trigger object in the room
354
00:14:58,331 --> 00:15:00,331
Where the murder happened.
-Okay.
355
00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:03,601
Because rebecca's big question
is, you know,
356
00:15:03,603 --> 00:15:05,136
Is this guy still here?
357
00:15:05,138 --> 00:15:07,138
But we can put it in the room,
and if he is here,
358
00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:09,874
It might enact
some sort of response.
Yeah.
359
00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:15,446
♪♪
360
00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:16,681
Jack: We've decided to bring
361
00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:18,349
A psychic medium,
michelle belanger,
362
00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:20,885
To jump-start our investigation.
363
00:15:20,887 --> 00:15:22,520
Michelle is
our psychic bloodhound.
364
00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:24,022
So she doesn't know where
she's coming.
365
00:15:24,024 --> 00:15:25,757
She's gonna turn up blindfolded.
366
00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:30,228
Since a lot of my perceptions
are with an inner eye,
367
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:33,598
Then taking away the distraction
of physical sight
368
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,734
Helps me focus
on what I'm tuning into
369
00:15:36,736 --> 00:15:39,370
Beyond that perception.
370
00:15:39,372 --> 00:15:41,139
Jack: We got a ton of work.
371
00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:43,374
Probably have about a mile
of cables to run.
372
00:15:43,376 --> 00:15:46,210
So, uh, we gotta get to it.
373
00:15:46,212 --> 00:15:56,087
♪♪
374
00:15:56,089 --> 00:15:59,757
I'm always curious to see
375
00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:04,128
What story a place
is willing to tell me.
376
00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:06,064
Jack: It's easy to get turned
around in this place at night.
377
00:16:06,066 --> 00:16:09,400
♪♪
378
00:16:09,402 --> 00:16:11,302
They're flashing right now.
Can you see 'em?
379
00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,204
Katrina: I can, yeah, and it --
yeah, that's actually great.
380
00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:18,776
♪♪
381
00:16:18,778 --> 00:16:19,944
Here we go.
382
00:16:19,946 --> 00:16:21,145
Camera 1 is where
383
00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:23,214
Valarie allegedly was attacked.
384
00:16:23,216 --> 00:16:26,617
Camera 2 is in ward r.
385
00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:30,021
The bedpost hallway outside
the bedpost murder room.
386
00:16:30,023 --> 00:16:33,191
And camera 4 is
the bedpost murder room.
387
00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:35,360
Okay.
Can you guys get michelle?
388
00:16:35,362 --> 00:16:36,661
Bring her up.
389
00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:39,163
Be very careful with her
because she's blindfolded.
390
00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:43,468
♪♪
391
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:46,204
Okay, I'm bringing you into
scene with jack and katrina.
392
00:16:46,206 --> 00:16:47,605
Katrina: Hi, michelle!
393
00:16:47,607 --> 00:16:49,807
How's your experience
been since you arrived?
394
00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:51,275
-Interesting.
-Jack: Yeah?
395
00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:55,613
Uh, pretty clear image of, like,
this brooding stone edifice
396
00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:58,182
Just beyond a-a gate.
-Okay.
397
00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,284
The owner has asked us
some pretty...
398
00:17:00,286 --> 00:17:03,421
Well, specific questions
about who or what is here.
399
00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:06,124
So we're gonna take you
to certain places.
400
00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,825
Does that sound okay?
-That -- that sounds good.
401
00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:08,993
Okay. All right, great.
402
00:17:08,995 --> 00:17:10,028
-Jack: Shall we?
-Katrina: We shall.
403
00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:19,604
♪♪
404
00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:23,408
We know there was a woman
here who committed suicide.
405
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,010
The owner needs to know
the room.
406
00:17:26,012 --> 00:17:29,213
Rebecca: We believe
it's one of these right here.
407
00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,282
We're on the right floor.
408
00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:35,253
So this is where she did it?
At least, the floor?
409
00:17:35,255 --> 00:17:37,688
Yeah.
We're on the right floor.
410
00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:39,857
I just keep seeing off-green
or off-blue, like,
411
00:17:39,859 --> 00:17:42,727
A pale room...
412
00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:45,229
Inviting someone
to look into the room.
413
00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:53,004
♪♪
414
00:17:53,006 --> 00:17:54,705
I keep wanting to go
that way.
415
00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:56,774
Katrina: Okay,
there is a room there.
Okay.
416
00:17:56,776 --> 00:17:59,377
♪♪
417
00:17:59,379 --> 00:18:01,345
Michelle:
This one feels right.
418
00:18:01,347 --> 00:18:03,247
This is the woman...
419
00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:06,384
The woman...Who --
420
00:18:06,386 --> 00:18:09,320
Who did... Who did something.
421
00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,255
And you see the room
being a...
422
00:18:11,257 --> 00:18:12,657
Somewhere between
blue or green.
423
00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:15,293
♪♪
424
00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:17,428
It's really
quite ugly paint.
425
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:19,931
She doesn't want to tell me
her name.
426
00:18:19,933 --> 00:18:24,202
♪♪
427
00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:25,837
Yeah, she doesn't want
to tell me her name.
428
00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:28,773
♪♪
429
00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,108
Katrina:
It is pretty impressive,
430
00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,442
Especially for somebody
that can't --
431
00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:32,910
I mean, she can't see anything.
432
00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:34,879
So for her to pick up
on a wall color,
433
00:18:34,881 --> 00:18:36,948
Obviously, she's connecting
to somebody.
434
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:39,617
So, we're going to take her
to the third floor
435
00:18:39,619 --> 00:18:43,187
To one of the rooms there that
had a pretty significant event,
436
00:18:43,189 --> 00:18:44,989
And we're gonna see
what she can pick up there.
437
00:18:44,991 --> 00:18:49,560
♪♪
438
00:18:49,562 --> 00:18:51,529
Michelle:
There's a presence up here
439
00:18:51,531 --> 00:18:54,899
That feels timid at first.
440
00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:57,502
♪♪
441
00:18:57,504 --> 00:19:00,905
We had two violent patients
in here
442
00:19:00,907 --> 00:19:03,007
With a person
who was mentally impaired.
443
00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:07,478
♪♪
444
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,514
Do you want to talk
with me?
445
00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:12,984
♪♪
446
00:19:12,986 --> 00:19:15,720
Are you...
447
00:19:15,722 --> 00:19:19,056
Are you a boy, or are you just
wearing that shape?
448
00:19:19,058 --> 00:19:20,725
How old are you?
449
00:19:20,727 --> 00:19:22,994
Not sure what's going on
with this one.
450
00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:24,128
Katrina: Is he intelligent?
451
00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:25,730
That's an intelligent spirit,
active?
452
00:19:25,732 --> 00:19:27,465
I-I think so.
453
00:19:29,435 --> 00:19:32,703
Timid, though, not chatty.
454
00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:34,138
Almost mute.
455
00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:35,806
Like, could be violent.
456
00:19:35,808 --> 00:19:40,144
I don't know if he's, like...
457
00:19:40,146 --> 00:19:41,445
Can't use his legs
458
00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:43,748
Or if he just likes
crawling around on the floor.
459
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:46,350
♪♪
460
00:19:46,352 --> 00:19:50,721
I'm going to move a little bit
this way to see.
461
00:19:50,723 --> 00:19:57,128
♪♪
462
00:19:57,130 --> 00:20:00,498
There's a weird pressure from...
463
00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:04,702
So it's, like, a sense
of something hanging.
464
00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:08,039
♪♪
465
00:20:08,041 --> 00:20:10,908
They tied a sheet around his
neck, threw it up around a pipe,
466
00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:13,244
And would basically
raise him up in the air
467
00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:16,113
Until he would pass out,
then would let him back down,
468
00:20:16,115 --> 00:20:17,848
Raise him back up again
until he passed out.
469
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,752
It's just something hanging.
470
00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:26,691
I don't think it goes all
the way down to the floor.
471
00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:30,228
♪♪
472
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:33,664
Took a wild stab at it,
I'd say it's about body-shaped.
473
00:20:33,666 --> 00:20:35,733
There's -- there's
an intelligent haunting here.
474
00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:37,635
Like, this one seems nonverbal.
475
00:20:37,637 --> 00:20:42,607
And I just keep seeing him
on the floor, like, looking up.
476
00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:44,642
Like, he's -- he's from
a prone position.
477
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,248
So, there was
a brutal murder in here.
478
00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:51,716
Okay.
479
00:20:51,718 --> 00:20:55,253
And the victim was a...
480
00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:58,723
A man
who was allegedly --
481
00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:02,593
You know, we heard rumors
that he was actually a mute.
482
00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:06,297
And two men, uh,
483
00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:09,100
Murdered him in here
by, um,
484
00:21:09,102 --> 00:21:11,702
They would
kind of string him up
485
00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,238
And, like, lynch him
and then lower him down...
486
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,107
-[bleep]
-...And then string him up...
487
00:21:16,109 --> 00:21:18,209
[bleep]!
...And down, and they did
that repeatedly.
488
00:21:18,211 --> 00:21:19,543
[bleep].
489
00:21:19,545 --> 00:21:20,711
[ shivers ]
490
00:21:30,823 --> 00:21:32,290
So, there was
a brutal murder in here.
491
00:21:32,292 --> 00:21:35,459
[bleep]. Okay.
492
00:21:35,461 --> 00:21:38,496
-Jack: They ended up...Yep.
-Okay.
493
00:21:38,498 --> 00:21:41,799
And they ended up
taking their bed
494
00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:44,035
And putting the bedpost
on his head
495
00:21:44,037 --> 00:21:46,737
And jumping on it
until it crushed his skull.
496
00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,474
Wow.
497
00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:54,278
Well, it's safe to say,
that's still very much here.
498
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,646
[ shivers ]
499
00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:59,550
Yeah, and he's still
an intelligent spirit then here?
500
00:21:59,552 --> 00:22:01,852
He's still here.
501
00:22:01,854 --> 00:22:03,387
Just so you know,
this was in the '80s,
502
00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:05,389
So it was not that long ago.
-[ shivers ]
503
00:22:05,391 --> 00:22:06,557
Katrina: Here's
the other thing, too.
504
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,226
You describe him
as being very childlike,
505
00:22:09,228 --> 00:22:12,930
So the crawling,
the hiding, all that stuff.
506
00:22:12,932 --> 00:22:15,366
Michelle: Yep.
He was a very nice guy,
but occasionally,
507
00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,401
He would have these
really violent outbursts.
508
00:22:19,305 --> 00:22:22,840
Yep, okay.
No, he's definitely still here.
509
00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:26,877
A question that we have is
recently,
510
00:22:26,879 --> 00:22:29,947
One of his murderers
has passed away,
511
00:22:29,949 --> 00:22:33,517
And since that passing,
the owner wants to know
512
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,620
If any of the murderers
are here.
513
00:22:36,622 --> 00:22:38,989
No,
but they came by once,
514
00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:41,425
And he's not over it.
515
00:22:41,427 --> 00:22:47,131
It's almost like he keeps
going through it,
516
00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:49,033
Like it triggered something.
517
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,102
So this replay of what had
happened to him,
518
00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:55,573
But he's still here,
partly engaged in that replay.
519
00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:58,409
Is there anything
that he likes,
520
00:22:58,411 --> 00:23:00,044
That we could maybe
bring up here?
521
00:23:00,046 --> 00:23:02,980
Did he like to color?
Did he like to draw?
522
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:05,149
I'd try, like,
rolling a ball to him.
523
00:23:05,151 --> 00:23:06,317
Jack: Okay.
524
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:10,087
He seems pretty simple
with -- with his tastes.
525
00:23:10,089 --> 00:23:11,722
Do you think he would
respond to his name?
526
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,592
♪♪
527
00:23:14,594 --> 00:23:15,760
Yeah, he might.
528
00:23:15,762 --> 00:23:17,928
Well, we should continue --
continue on.
529
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:25,569
♪♪
530
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,171
Jack: We're headed to
the fourth floor,
531
00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:29,106
And this is where valarie,
the tour guide,
532
00:23:29,108 --> 00:23:31,575
Was allegedly attacked.
533
00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:33,978
It seems like everyone says
"the fourth floor"
534
00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:35,813
Or "beware,
beware the fourth floor."
535
00:23:35,815 --> 00:23:38,716
It seems to be the most active
and the most aggressive.
536
00:23:38,718 --> 00:23:43,421
There's something
that feels forceful here.
537
00:23:43,423 --> 00:23:45,089
As an intelligent force,
michelle?
538
00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:48,592
Is it human? Non-human?
539
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:50,628
It's reacting to me,
so I say intelligent.
540
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:54,432
♪♪
541
00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:57,935
There's
a physical imposingness
542
00:23:57,937 --> 00:24:00,838
That is part
of that assertiveness.
543
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,277
If it thinks you should know
that it's here...
544
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,146
First, it will see you
and it will get closer...
545
00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:13,350
...If you don't pay attention
to it.
546
00:24:13,352 --> 00:24:20,157
♪♪
547
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:24,228
I think
it will start to be...
548
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:27,064
Physically,
549
00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,866
In the sense of
putting hands on you,
550
00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:31,001
Possibly a heaviness,
that heaviness.
551
00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:33,704
♪♪
552
00:24:33,706 --> 00:24:35,873
[ sighs deeply ]
553
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:38,509
Safe to take this off?
554
00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:39,677
Katrina:
It's safe to take it off.
555
00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:41,111
Okay. Ugh.
556
00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:45,049
[ groans ]
557
00:24:45,051 --> 00:24:46,150
[ katrina laughs ]
558
00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:48,118
The other thing I'd say
about this floor
559
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,621
Is it feels like...
560
00:24:50,623 --> 00:24:51,922
People have come up here
561
00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:54,191
With the intent
of scaring themselves.
562
00:24:54,193 --> 00:24:57,361
Katrina: So is that why activity
would increase up here?
563
00:24:57,363 --> 00:24:58,696
Michelle: Yeah, I mean,
like attracts like.
564
00:24:58,698 --> 00:25:00,965
Stuff is
intelligent enough here
565
00:25:00,967 --> 00:25:03,767
To react
to people's expectations
566
00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:05,035
And to try to get
a rise out of them.
567
00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:07,505
Purposely scaring people?
-Yeah. Oh, hell, yeah.
568
00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:11,375
♪♪
569
00:25:11,377 --> 00:25:13,577
Katrina: Michelle, as always,
thanks so much for coming.
570
00:25:13,579 --> 00:25:14,912
There was really some stuff
that you nailed
571
00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:16,714
That I think will help
our investigation for tonight.
572
00:25:16,716 --> 00:25:18,249
Michelle and jack: Yeah.
573
00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:23,387
♪♪
574
00:25:23,389 --> 00:25:24,688
-I think we're all set up.
-Jack: Okay.
575
00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:26,423
And there's so much ground
to cover,
576
00:25:26,425 --> 00:25:29,960
So probably what makes the most
sense is for us to split up.
577
00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:32,830
For me personally,
I need to go back to ward r.
578
00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:34,832
If you want to take ward t?
-Sure.
579
00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:37,735
We have
the 3-d mapping camera,
580
00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:40,004
So if there's any figures
that have any mass,
581
00:25:40,006 --> 00:25:41,805
That should show up on that.
-Okay.
582
00:25:41,807 --> 00:25:45,409
And we also have itc devices
that pick up on voices.
583
00:25:45,411 --> 00:25:48,345
We have the laser grid
set up in the bedpost hallway
584
00:25:48,347 --> 00:25:50,714
To pick up any figures
moving around.
585
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:54,151
And then we also have
recorders for evps.
Okay. Alright.
586
00:25:54,153 --> 00:25:56,654
♪♪
587
00:25:56,656 --> 00:25:57,855
Hey, you ready?
588
00:25:57,857 --> 00:26:00,991
♪♪
589
00:26:00,993 --> 00:26:03,527
Jack: Am I that way?
-Katrina: You're that way.
590
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:05,195
I'm this way.
-Alright, cool.
591
00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:06,363
-Okay.
-Alrighty.
592
00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,699
-Alright, good luck.
-See ya.
593
00:26:08,701 --> 00:26:10,334
Jack: The fourth floor
is where a lot
594
00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:13,103
Of the activity occurs
in this building.
595
00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:15,639
There are dozens of reports
of people hearing footsteps,
596
00:26:15,641 --> 00:26:18,642
People seeing black shadows
walking at the end of hallways.
597
00:26:18,644 --> 00:26:21,679
It's where michelle
definitely picked up
598
00:26:21,681 --> 00:26:23,948
On some kind of dark presence.
599
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:27,751
And it's where valarie was
allegedly scratched.
600
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:30,154
Katrina: I know you're up here.
601
00:26:30,156 --> 00:26:32,089
You gonna slam one of these?
602
00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:33,724
[ door slams ]
603
00:26:33,726 --> 00:26:36,527
♪♪
604
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:38,495
Can you show us that
you're here?
605
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:44,602
You knock on something for me?
606
00:26:44,604 --> 00:26:46,370
[ knocks on door ]
607
00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:52,276
I almost feel like
we're being observed.
608
00:26:54,313 --> 00:26:56,880
I want to know who you are.
I want to know what you are.
609
00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:02,152
I want to see if we can get
some answers.
610
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:10,027
Yeah.
611
00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:12,463
I heard, like, voices.
612
00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,098
Is that what you heard?
613
00:27:15,234 --> 00:27:17,601
[ radio interference ]
614
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,172
Katrina: Well, let's try an itc session.
615
00:27:24,377 --> 00:27:26,010
Oh, no.
616
00:27:28,714 --> 00:27:31,281
No. I think it died.
617
00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:35,619
There it goes.
It -- it just died.
618
00:27:37,657 --> 00:27:40,391
"database is corrupt.
It can't be trusted.
619
00:27:40,393 --> 00:27:43,027
It may not work properly."
620
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:44,361
What?
621
00:27:44,363 --> 00:27:46,430
What the [bleep]?
622
00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:57,241
Why's it keep wanting
to initialize?
623
00:27:57,243 --> 00:28:02,279
♪♪
624
00:28:02,281 --> 00:28:04,181
Jack: Alright, so we're having
technical difficulties
625
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:06,550
Already up here.
626
00:28:06,552 --> 00:28:07,918
Elaine, can you hear me?
627
00:28:10,056 --> 00:28:11,889
Can you send lauren up here to
628
00:28:11,891 --> 00:28:14,525
Fix this kinect 3-d mapping
thing. It's not working.
629
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,294
Elaine: Yeah, copy.
Coming at ya.
630
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,267
He is. Right now?
631
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:29,840
♪♪
632
00:28:32,478 --> 00:28:35,145
Jack: Okay, yeah. Yeah,
we're gonna have to scratch it.
633
00:28:35,147 --> 00:28:37,948
My 3-d mapper went down.
634
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:39,216
Brand-new.
635
00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:41,151
No reason for that thing
to be acting up.
636
00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:45,389
♪♪
637
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:47,024
Katrina?
-Yeah?
638
00:28:47,026 --> 00:28:49,359
Jack: Coming in.
How's it been going for you?
639
00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:51,628
Like, none of my equipment's
working. [ laughs ]
640
00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:52,830
Really?
641
00:28:52,832 --> 00:28:54,665
Well...No, I'm just having
some tech issues.
642
00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:58,168
Yeah, my 3-d mapper
643
00:28:58,170 --> 00:28:59,703
[bleep] out on me.
644
00:28:59,705 --> 00:29:00,871
-Did it really?
-Yeah.
645
00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:02,773
Just didn't -- kept just
close -- like, every time
646
00:29:02,775 --> 00:29:05,776
We would try and boot up
the program, it would shut down.
647
00:29:05,778 --> 00:29:09,079
So in my experience, when
batteries start dying like that,
648
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:11,348
Equipment just gets
messed up like that,
649
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:14,151
It's, like, whatever is
there is kind of gearing up
650
00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:15,486
To manifest somehow.
651
00:29:15,488 --> 00:29:19,456
♪♪
652
00:29:19,458 --> 00:29:22,226
Okay, let's get this
going again.
653
00:29:22,228 --> 00:29:25,496
Let's start in, um,
the bedpost murder room
654
00:29:25,498 --> 00:29:27,197
Because that was
definitely the place
655
00:29:27,199 --> 00:29:29,199
Where michelle had
the strongest connection.
656
00:29:29,201 --> 00:29:30,367
Yeah.
657
00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:31,869
And she very much felt
that dean is still here.
658
00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:33,403
And we have some
trigger objects.
659
00:29:33,405 --> 00:29:34,738
-Yep.
-We're gonna bring
660
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:38,008
A piece of art that was made
by one of the murderers,
661
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:39,376
Kind of throwing a lot
different things at it
662
00:29:39,378 --> 00:29:42,045
To see if we can get
any kind of interaction.
663
00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:43,480
100%
664
00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:51,188
♪♪
665
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:58,896
♪♪
666
00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:01,765
Hi, dean.
-Katrina: Okay.
667
00:30:01,767 --> 00:30:03,901
This is dean metheny's room.
668
00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:06,136
A lot of people said he was
very, you know, mentally --
669
00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:07,838
He was very much
that of a child.
670
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,373
So I figured
why not bring some toys
671
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,408
That might entice him
a little bit?
672
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:13,710
Brought some candy,
spread that out on the floor.
673
00:30:13,712 --> 00:30:15,679
We've got the rem pod
near it all,
674
00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:18,182
And we're just gonna see
if we can actually
675
00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:19,650
Get him to communicate with us.
676
00:30:19,652 --> 00:30:22,686
[ groans, sighs ]
677
00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,955
I thought that maybe
before we begin,
678
00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:26,857
Maybe you want to
just, like,
679
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:28,559
Sit in some silence
for a minute in the room?
680
00:30:28,561 --> 00:30:30,394
Katrina:
I think that's a great idea.
681
00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:33,163
♪♪
682
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,466
[ device ringing ]
683
00:30:36,468 --> 00:30:38,435
Dean, is that you?
684
00:30:38,437 --> 00:30:41,371
[ device ringing ]
685
00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:43,006
♪♪
686
00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:53,951
♪♪
687
00:30:53,953 --> 00:30:58,422
[ device ringing ]
688
00:30:58,424 --> 00:31:00,657
Dean, is that you?
689
00:31:00,659 --> 00:31:04,127
[ device ringing ]
690
00:31:04,129 --> 00:31:09,166
Dean, if that's you, we need
to know that you're here.
691
00:31:09,168 --> 00:31:11,001
Can you help us figure
that out?
692
00:31:11,003 --> 00:31:13,270
♪♪
693
00:31:13,272 --> 00:31:16,340
[ device ringing ]
694
00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:17,608
Jack: Light.
695
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:19,610
[ ringing continues ]
696
00:31:19,612 --> 00:31:26,083
♪♪
697
00:31:26,085 --> 00:31:27,384
That's crazy.
698
00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:31,889
That thing's going nuts.
-It's going nuts in here.
699
00:31:31,891 --> 00:31:34,825
Something's making
the rem pod go off.
700
00:31:34,827 --> 00:31:37,895
The rem pod essentially
creates its own emf field,
701
00:31:37,897 --> 00:31:41,732
So anything that breaks that
field, it should set it off.
702
00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:45,002
You know what, dean? We can
actually play a really fun game.
703
00:31:45,004 --> 00:31:47,738
So jack and I will ask
some questions,
704
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:50,207
And every time
the answer is yes,
705
00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:52,376
You make that light up green.
706
00:31:52,378 --> 00:31:55,445
If the answer is no,
you don't do anything, okay?
707
00:31:59,685 --> 00:32:01,518
Did you die in this room?
708
00:32:03,656 --> 00:32:04,821
[ beeps ]
709
00:32:04,823 --> 00:32:10,260
♪♪
710
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:11,695
Are you still scared?
711
00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:15,032
♪♪
712
00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:16,900
Do you know the people
who killed you?
713
00:32:16,902 --> 00:32:22,472
♪♪
714
00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:23,807
[ beeping ]
715
00:32:23,809 --> 00:32:26,710
♪♪
716
00:32:26,712 --> 00:32:29,279
Do you get to move
throughout this whole building?
717
00:32:29,281 --> 00:32:32,049
♪♪
718
00:32:32,051 --> 00:32:33,350
[ beeps ]
719
00:32:33,352 --> 00:32:35,886
♪♪
720
00:32:35,888 --> 00:32:37,421
It's a fun toy isn't it?
721
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:39,423
♪♪
722
00:32:39,425 --> 00:32:40,991
[ beeps ]
723
00:32:40,993 --> 00:32:44,127
♪♪
724
00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:45,362
Do you like us
being here, dean,
725
00:32:45,364 --> 00:32:47,597
Having someone to talk to
and play with?
726
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,535
♪♪
727
00:32:51,537 --> 00:32:55,005
[ beeping ]
728
00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:58,342
Dean, is that you affecting
our rem pod?
729
00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:01,611
[ beeping ]
730
00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:03,747
♪♪
731
00:33:03,749 --> 00:33:05,549
I'm gonna try something,
okay?
732
00:33:05,551 --> 00:33:09,820
♪♪
733
00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:11,955
I've never seen anything
like this.
734
00:33:11,957 --> 00:33:17,761
♪♪
735
00:33:17,763 --> 00:33:19,863
Dean, do you know
who this belonged to?
736
00:33:19,865 --> 00:33:22,332
♪♪
737
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:23,900
Do you know who this is?
738
00:33:23,902 --> 00:33:30,874
♪♪
739
00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:33,710
Dean, did we scare you?
Can you come back?
740
00:33:37,916 --> 00:33:42,486
He's not here. It's just --
it's just a piece of art.
741
00:33:42,488 --> 00:33:44,588
He's not here,
so he can't hurt you.
742
00:33:46,792 --> 00:33:50,060
Dean, if we take this away, will
you come back and talk to us?
743
00:33:53,098 --> 00:33:56,099
♪♪
744
00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:58,068
Okay, I'm gonna
take it away, okay?
745
00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:00,037
'cause I think maybe
it's upsetting you.
746
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:08,045
♪♪
747
00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:09,746
Okay, we put that away.
748
00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:13,016
So he can't hurt you, okay?
[ beeps ]
749
00:34:13,018 --> 00:34:14,751
[ chuckles ]
750
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:17,754
[ exhales deeply ]
751
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:20,023
♪♪
752
00:34:20,025 --> 00:34:24,027
This is the craziest thing
I've ever seen. Hands down.
753
00:34:24,029 --> 00:34:28,265
♪♪
754
00:34:28,267 --> 00:34:29,433
What do you think?
755
00:34:29,435 --> 00:34:31,201
I'm just amazed by this.
756
00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:33,804
-Yeah?
-I've never...
757
00:34:33,806 --> 00:34:36,139
Not this long,
not this consistent.
758
00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:37,307
No?
759
00:34:37,309 --> 00:34:38,508
This --
I can't explain this.
760
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:39,876
-Me, either.
-And, like,
761
00:34:39,878 --> 00:34:42,012
I-I won't be able to know,
like, whoever's, like,
762
00:34:42,014 --> 00:34:45,515
You at home
watching this, like...
763
00:34:45,517 --> 00:34:47,551
There are no radios on
in here right now.
764
00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:50,787
There is no way
to remote control this.
765
00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:54,491
Something is physically breaking
the electronic magnetic field
766
00:34:54,493 --> 00:34:56,493
That this thing is emitting.
767
00:34:56,495 --> 00:34:59,362
I've never really had
that type of interaction
768
00:34:59,364 --> 00:35:01,565
With rem pod before,
but I feel bad.
769
00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:03,200
I feel really bad for him.
770
00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:06,436
Jack: That's, to me, the most
definitive experience
771
00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:07,771
I've ever had.
772
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:09,539
I just think that, like...
[ beeps ]
773
00:35:09,541 --> 00:35:13,143
-I think he like you, jack.
-I think you do, yeah.
774
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:15,979
Probably part of why
spirits stick around is
775
00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,181
'cause they felt like
they weren't heard
776
00:35:18,183 --> 00:35:21,718
Or recognized or acknowledged
in the right way.
777
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,086
Maybe a part of me thinks
that if they get enough
778
00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:24,221
Of that acknowledgement,
779
00:35:24,223 --> 00:35:26,857
Then they can fulfill
and move on.
780
00:35:26,859 --> 00:35:28,024
[ beeps ]
781
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:29,993
Katrina: "yes."
[ chuckles ]
782
00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:34,064
Alright, well, there we go.
[ chuckles ]
783
00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:35,232
Dean, I just want
to let you know
784
00:35:35,234 --> 00:35:37,801
I'm really sorry
what happened to you.
785
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:39,636
You have a good night,
786
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:42,973
And, uh, do us a favor
and watch our backs.
787
00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:44,808
That was crazy.
788
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:46,710
Katrina:
That was really cool.
789
00:35:46,712 --> 00:35:47,978
Yeah.
790
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:51,081
♪♪
791
00:35:51,083 --> 00:35:52,449
That, to me's crazier than
ouija board
792
00:35:52,451 --> 00:35:53,650
Or anything like that.
793
00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:56,419
♪♪
794
00:35:56,421 --> 00:36:00,090
Dean, if you can hear me,
795
00:36:00,092 --> 00:36:02,325
I would love it if you could
walk back and forth,
796
00:36:02,327 --> 00:36:04,094
If that is you.
797
00:36:04,096 --> 00:36:06,663
If that's the person that
everyone keeps seeing,
798
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,299
Walk or crawl back and forth
so we can see you on our camera.
799
00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:12,235
[ device beeping ]
[ whispers ] what's going on?
800
00:36:17,009 --> 00:36:18,508
Jack: Byron, was that you?
801
00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:21,111
Katrina: What was that?
802
00:36:21,113 --> 00:36:31,721
That was really --
that was on this hall.
803
00:36:32,624 --> 00:36:34,224
Katrina:
Dean, I would love it
804
00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:36,860
If you could walk back
and forth, if that is you.
805
00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:39,262
[ device beeping ]
[ whispers ] it's going off.
806
00:36:43,969 --> 00:36:45,468
Jack: Byron, was that you?
807
00:36:46,638 --> 00:36:48,138
That was on this hall.
808
00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,374
Jamie, was that you?
809
00:36:53,946 --> 00:36:55,612
-Katrina: It wasn't jamie?
-Jack: No.
810
00:36:55,614 --> 00:36:57,747
Was it this door?
811
00:36:57,749 --> 00:36:59,282
Oh, okay.
812
00:36:59,284 --> 00:37:01,184
I'll tell you exactly
what this was.
813
00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:03,453
[ door bangs ]
814
00:37:03,455 --> 00:37:05,121
-Katrina: Yeah.
-That's what that was.
815
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:09,659
Jack: What was that?
816
00:37:11,363 --> 00:37:12,562
-Huh.
-I just think
817
00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:13,730
They're
really heavy doors.
818
00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:14,898
Yeah, that is a heavy door
for wind.
819
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:16,333
It would have to be
a burly gust.
820
00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:18,235
Like, yeah.
821
00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:20,503
Jack: And it when
you were asking...
822
00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:22,105
I was asking dean
to actually
823
00:37:22,107 --> 00:37:24,074
Walk in front of
our lasers for us...
824
00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:25,709
Okay.
...So we could see him
on camera.
825
00:37:25,711 --> 00:37:27,143
Jack: Alright.
826
00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:31,381
♪♪
827
00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:34,784
Thank you, dean.
-Bye, dean.
828
00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:36,620
Actually, it was really funny,
I don't know if you heard it,
829
00:37:36,622 --> 00:37:38,321
When I was asking him
to do that,
830
00:37:38,323 --> 00:37:39,923
The rem pod
started going off.
831
00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,558
-Jack: Really?
-[ chuckles ] yeah.
832
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,726
Even when you weren't
in the room?
833
00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:44,194
No, I wasn't in the room.
834
00:37:44,196 --> 00:37:45,962
I was like, "can you just
do that for me, please?"
835
00:37:45,964 --> 00:37:49,699
And it was like...
[ imitates device beeping ]
836
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:51,968
That's the craziest [bleep]
I've ever seen.
837
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:53,436
Like...
838
00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:55,238
Wow.
-Yeah.
839
00:37:56,742 --> 00:37:57,907
Jack: I think we had
840
00:37:57,909 --> 00:38:00,176
One of the most poignant
paranormal experiences
841
00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:02,712
In my paranormal investigative
career.
842
00:38:02,714 --> 00:38:04,414
He can't hurt you, okay?
[ beeps ]
843
00:38:05,984 --> 00:38:07,617
[ exhales deeply ]
844
00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:11,454
That conversation,
that was powerful.
845
00:38:11,456 --> 00:38:12,989
Very powerful.
846
00:38:12,991 --> 00:38:19,029
♪♪
847
00:38:19,031 --> 00:38:20,063
Rebecca: Hey, guys.
How you doing?
848
00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:21,431
Jack:
Good. How you doing?
849
00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:23,733
So first, we brought our friend
michelle, who's a medium.
850
00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:25,935
She calls herself
a "psychic bloodhound."
851
00:38:25,937 --> 00:38:27,537
Okay. [ laughs ]
interesting.
852
00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:31,174
And she arrived
at the insane asylum
853
00:38:31,176 --> 00:38:33,743
Completely blindfolded, didn't
know anything about the place,
854
00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:35,312
Has never been here before.
855
00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:39,449
And initially, she started
picking up childlike energy
856
00:38:39,451 --> 00:38:43,553
In the bedpost room,
so we went back to that room
857
00:38:43,555 --> 00:38:47,724
Without michelle to do the bulk
of our investigation.
Mm-hmm.
858
00:38:47,726 --> 00:38:49,326
And we brought
a rem pod with us,
859
00:38:49,328 --> 00:38:51,828
Which emits, like,
an electromagnetic field
860
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:54,631
That if something breaks it...
-Mm-hmm.
861
00:38:54,633 --> 00:38:57,067
...Or has its own
electromagnetic frequency,
862
00:38:57,069 --> 00:38:59,135
It will trigger it. And --
863
00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:02,238
Wait, you're saying you think
you communicated with dean?
864
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,408
We literally had
a long conversation with him
865
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:06,643
With a rem pod.
866
00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:08,445
Do you know the people
who killed you?
867
00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:12,916
[ beeps ]
868
00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:14,784
So, I'll take you back
a little bit to michelle.
869
00:39:14,786 --> 00:39:17,354
She's like, "I see him
crawling around on the floor.
870
00:39:17,356 --> 00:39:19,356
He's hiding under his bed."
871
00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:21,658
She's like, "I feel like
he's so kind,
872
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:24,361
But he has a tendency
for violent outbursts."
873
00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:25,595
That's exactly him.
874
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:27,397
-Jack: Yeah.
-Katrina: Right?
875
00:39:27,399 --> 00:39:29,432
I don't know if
he can't use his legs
876
00:39:29,434 --> 00:39:32,969
Or if he just likes
crawling around on the floor.
877
00:39:32,971 --> 00:39:35,839
Timid, though, not chatty.
878
00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:38,808
Almost mute,
but could be violent.
879
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:40,677
This was the hallway.
880
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,513
Now, we put up a laser grid,
and, you know, the theory is
881
00:39:43,515 --> 00:39:45,982
If something passes through it,
it'll block out the lasers
882
00:39:45,984 --> 00:39:48,385
And, you know, you might be able
to make something out.
883
00:39:48,387 --> 00:39:51,988
Now, focus you attention
on this area right here.
884
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:53,890
Okay.
885
00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:55,525
Right here.
886
00:39:55,527 --> 00:39:58,928
♪♪
887
00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:00,563
Watch.
888
00:40:03,702 --> 00:40:05,502
No way!
889
00:40:05,504 --> 00:40:08,405
We're trying to determine
what that is.
890
00:40:08,407 --> 00:40:09,906
Is it light reflecting off
somewhere?
891
00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:11,808
If so, what is the light?
892
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:14,878
This emits from
the center of it out
893
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,346
And then shrinks back in.
894
00:40:16,348 --> 00:40:18,948
Watch it again. Right here.
895
00:40:21,186 --> 00:40:22,952
Then it shrinks
back into itself.
896
00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:24,187
Wow.
897
00:40:24,189 --> 00:40:27,023
And that during
our rem pod session with dean.
898
00:40:27,025 --> 00:40:29,459
-Well, that's very unusual.
-Yeah.
899
00:40:29,461 --> 00:40:32,896
Okay, so, do you think
he is the black mass
900
00:40:32,898 --> 00:40:34,931
That's going back and forth
from the room
901
00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,133
Into his area, playing a game?
-Katrina: Yeah.
902
00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:40,236
So michelle believes
the shadow is dean
903
00:40:40,238 --> 00:40:43,072
And that it's a residual energy
that's playing in there,
904
00:40:43,074 --> 00:40:44,674
But it's also
an intelligence.
905
00:40:44,676 --> 00:40:47,444
Considering how many people
experience stuff...
906
00:40:47,446 --> 00:40:49,012
-Yeah.
-...In that area of the hospital
907
00:40:49,014 --> 00:40:51,181
And that it always seems
to be connected to dean
908
00:40:51,183 --> 00:40:53,583
And the murder
that happened there...
Mm-hmm.
909
00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:55,752
I think that makes
a lot of sense.
910
00:40:55,754 --> 00:40:57,687
Jack: Have you heard
of the stone tape theory?
911
00:40:57,689 --> 00:40:59,589
-No.
-Okay, the stone tape theory
912
00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:03,626
Is one that stone can
record energy.
913
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,663
So the fact that the building's
made of sandstone,
914
00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:08,264
And in a lot of cases,
915
00:41:08,266 --> 00:41:11,234
Sandstone has a high quartz
crystal content...
Mm-hmm.
916
00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:14,771
...In it, I'm wondering
if the building is holding on
917
00:41:14,773 --> 00:41:16,573
To some of the energy.
918
00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:18,208
That is very interesting.
919
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:20,443
So I think you have a lot of
different things going on here.
920
00:41:20,445 --> 00:41:23,580
And as far as portals go
or openings,
921
00:41:23,582 --> 00:41:26,549
I think there's just
a ton of elements here that,
922
00:41:26,551 --> 00:41:29,185
When we're looking at it
from a paranormal perspective,
923
00:41:29,187 --> 00:41:30,320
Really start to make sense
924
00:41:30,322 --> 00:41:32,188
When you start looking
at all the layers.
925
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:33,590
Yep.
926
00:41:33,592 --> 00:41:35,191
It's usually places where
there's so much activity.
927
00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:38,294
And places with a lot pain and
trauma, like trans-allegheny,
928
00:41:38,296 --> 00:41:40,230
We know there was pain there.
We know there was trauma.
929
00:41:40,232 --> 00:41:42,232
We know there were people
that had procedures done
930
00:41:42,234 --> 00:41:44,033
That they couldn't
consent to.
931
00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:46,202
And I think a lot of times
in the paranormal,
932
00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:48,872
We see that open doorways
to certain things.
933
00:41:48,874 --> 00:41:49,973
It's one of
those things, like,
934
00:41:49,975 --> 00:41:51,441
I run away,
and you run toward it.
935
00:41:51,443 --> 00:41:52,808
It is very frightening.
936
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:54,444
-Yeah.
-Very frightening to me.
937
00:41:54,446 --> 00:41:57,413
But, I mean, really, it makes
so much more sense to me now.
938
00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:59,682
But I can't tell you how much
I appreciate you guys coming.
939
00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:00,884
-Katrina: Yeah.
-Hey, this was awesome.
940
00:42:00,886 --> 00:42:03,253
It was a great experience.
941
00:42:03,255 --> 00:42:06,356
The things is, is that
it's not always black or white.
942
00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:08,091
Sometimes you have to open
your mind up
943
00:42:08,093 --> 00:42:10,727
To the things
that scare you the most.
944
00:42:10,729 --> 00:42:12,295
For me, I think the most
compelling stuff
945
00:42:12,297 --> 00:42:14,497
That we came across
is the potential
946
00:42:14,499 --> 00:42:17,934
Of the stone tape theory.
-Mm-hmm.
947
00:42:17,936 --> 00:42:19,569
Just that the building
is holding this energy there?
948
00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:20,737
-Yes.
-Mm-hmm.
949
00:42:20,739 --> 00:42:24,107
And even energy
that is still alive.
950
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:26,075
If these walls could talk,
951
00:42:26,077 --> 00:42:29,145
I guarantee you they would tell
some pretty horrific stories.
952
00:42:29,147 --> 00:42:37,386
♪♪
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