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There's something that feels forceful here.

First, it will see you, and it will get closer.

♪♪

Michelle: You should know that it's here.

Aaaaaaah!

[ sinister music plays ]

Is this place a portal to hell?

[ cawing ]

-[grunts] -[cries out]

Oh, just [bleep].

[ suspenseful music plays ]

[ child giggling ]

This is [bleep] nuts.

[ asphyxiating ] [ voices exhaling ]

♪♪

We believes that you're demonic...

[ cawing ]

...So this should really piss you off.

[ voice exhales ] [ bell tolling ]

[ laughing ]

[ sinister music plays ]

[ voices exhaling ]

♪♪

Alright, so we are in west virginia.

And if you're interested in investigating

Probably one of the most haunted locations ever,

Trans-allegheny might be your spot.

But is it a portal?

Yeah, and I think, too, if we're looking at it

Through the human lens, then, you know,

Thinking about all those people that walked through those gates,

Trans-allegheny literally became their personal portal to hell.

More to come.

♪♪

We are in probably the number-one place

I tell everybody to go to -- trans-allegheny lunatic asylum.

-I'm nervous. -Yeah?

Yeah, this place, like, you know,

From everything I'm reading... -Yeah.

...It's the spot.

♪♪

Just the history of it is dark and fascinating and weird.

Originally, when it opened, it was only designed

To hold 250 patients. -Mm-hmm.

But it got to the point where there was so much

Overcrowding that they had 2,400 patients.

So I mean, obviously, there was not enough staff on board

To take care of all those people.

-That's insane. -Yeah.

I just -- I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact

That this place was open until 1994.

Yeah.

You and I were alive when this place was open.

[ chuckles ] yeah. Yeah.

We could have been sent here.

Yeah. [ laughs ]

So as far as, like, hauntings that have been reported here...

Yeah. ...They've had full-body apparitions.

People have been scratched, pushed.

Hearing footsteps. Seeing footsteps.

Ticks a lot of boxes.

It's got it all. -Yeah.

In north america, it's the largest hand-cut

Stone masonry building.

And certain stones, especially something like sandstone,

Which has a high level of quartz,

Can basically record emotional, traumatic events

Such as the things we know happened at trans-allegheny.

So essentially, we're looking at possibly

One of the biggest recorders for paranormal activity.

Could it be a thing where just places

That have so much pain and anguish and suffering

Manifest as some kind of portal?

Yeah.

You know, all that energy turns into something that,

You know, allows more negative energy to grow.

Also, you have 666 acres with 13 buildings.

-Is that really true? -It's true.

[ laughing ] 13 buildings, 666 acres.

-Is this it? -This is it, yeah.

♪♪

This is crazy.

♪♪

-Are you ready for this? -Jack: Okay, let's do it.

♪♪

Enter if you dare. [ gasps ]

Jack: We're gonna go meet rebecca.

She is the owner of the hospital now.

Her and her father purchased it a few years back.

Rebecca conducts ghost tours here.

Katrina: Great to see you.

-Oh, you, too. -Hi. How's it going?

-And this must be jack. -Jack.

-Yes. -Nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you. -It's a pleasure.

Thank you. Thanks for having us.

-Follow me this way. -Yeah. Okay, great.

♪♪

Jack: What made you guys decide to but it?

Rebecca: They put it up for auction, and dad decided

He wanted to save it, so here we are 11 years later.

Okay, now, this is all about

Walter freeman, the famous lobotomist.

Walter freeman actually came here

And performed over 100 lobotomies.

Jack: You know, a lot of the practices here

On the patients were, like, experimental torture.

There was a lot of death here.

There was a lot of pain, lot of human suffering.

It's just twisted.

He would line the patients up without any type of consent.

What they would do, they would use an ice pick,

Kind of like in a windshield wiper motion,

And that basically would disconnect the frontal lobe

From the rest of your brain.

Basically, all of your ideas, your thoughts, your personality,

All of that is contained in your frontal lobe,

Which is the front part of your brain.

And he thought if you're violent, you know,

By taking those emotions away from you,

That would therefore make the perfect patient.

Katrina: It's never easy hearing about because, I mean,

You just think about -- even just a lobotomy

And how that was done just gives me shivers.

It's just sad to know that that many people

Were subjected to it.

♪♪

How many documented deaths

Does this place have that you know of?

So I know that there's been thousands of deaths here.

-Katrina: Yeah. -I know we have over --

We have three graveyards on the farm,

And I think it's just over 2,100 are in there right now.

Jack and katrina: Wow.

And those are ones that the families basically...

Jack: Were just like, "whatever." ...Didn't claim, didn't pick up.

-Katrina: Aw. -Oh, it's -- it's terrible.

Jack: This was actually, like, death row, a prison,

And an insane asylum

And the executioner's chair all in one.

♪♪

Rebecca: Let's head on down here.

I'd like to introduce you to a lady named jane.

-Katrina: Okay. -Jack: Oh.

Rebecca: This is the hall where jane harvey lived.

Katrina: Mm-hmm.

And jane harvey was a patient here in the 1890s.

The only reason that we know to actually look for jane

Is 'cause people have heard the name jane.

She said she harmed herself.

So, about four years ago,

I was able to get these historic books

Which record all the deaths, basically,

And the people being admitted,

And I find a jane harvey, that she had killed herself.

And where was her room? Do you know?

We believe it's one of these right here.

So because of paranormal investigations happening here,

People were collecting kind of the stuff

Coming through on their devices, gave it to you... Absolutely.

And then as you were doing historical research,

You found something that actually matched it.

-Yes, we found her... -Katrina: Yeah.

...Which was -- which was really interesting... Jack: Wow.

...And we have a full account of her suicide.

Wow.

Basically, she'd just been put in her room.

She sat down in front of her bed with a sheet,

Tied it around her neck,

And kneeled in front of the bed and leaned forward.

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Okay, now, this is ward f.

It was originally designed to have seven seclusion rooms.

So this would have been for the most violent male patients

Here at the facility.

And I want to tell you about a murder that happened as well.

If you check out these doors...

I mean, these are heavy steel doors.

Jack: Yeah.

And if you look at the inside,

You can see the damage that the patients would do.

Katrina: Wow.

The sheer power of someone who is mentally ill...

Yeah. ...And obviously upset about something is amazing.

♪♪

This, we call the bedpost murder room.

We had two violent patients in here with a person

Who was mentally impaired. And, you know,

He was known to be one of the sweetest patients out there,

But every now and then, he would have an outburst,

And that's how he ended up getting into this room.

Now, the other two patients were not nice people.

[ chuckles ] put it that way.

So, basically, they tied a sheet around his neck,

Threw it up around a pipe,

And would basically raise him up in the air

Until he would pass out, then would let him back down,

Raise him back up again until he passed out.

Well, eventually, they realized they were gonna

Get into a lot of trouble.

They laid this guy down on the floor.

They had a steel bed in here.

Put the bedpost on his head,

And as one held him there, the other one jumped on the bed

Until it pierced his skull and brain.

Ohh.

-That is horrific. -So messed up.

That is horrific.

When I was told about him,

And this is what broke my heart when I heard the story,

Was that he spent the whole day coloring

At the feet of, like, a nurse.

-Oh, yeah. -Like, that was his mind.

It was so childlike and innocent.

When did that happen, the murder?

Do you know? -That was in the '80s.

-In the '80s? -Jack: Oh, wow.

One of the men who killed him actually recently passed.

Recently, there has been a black figure

Outside of this ward

That goes in between the door of this ward

To where the guests would actually visit,

And that's been happening so much recently.

♪♪

Recently, there has been a black figure

Outside of this ward

That goes in between the door of this ward

To where the guests would actually visit,

And that's been happening so much recently.

When did it start to increase?

About two years ago, when that man died. Oh.

-Oh, when he died. -Rebecca: Yeah.

But I'm curious if that could be him

Coming back here.

-One of the murderers? -Yeah.

Jack: If that shadow is, in fact, the spirit

Of one of the murderers and has come back here,

That would imply some kind of portal.

♪♪

Rebecca: When I take you guys to the fourth floor,

You're gonna feel it.

♪♪

Katrina: I think this is

The most uncomfortable spot for me.

Well, this is basically the most active area we have,

This ward specifically and the fourth floor completely.

-Katrina: Yeah. -We get a lot of touching...

-Mm. -...In this area.

We've had a few occasions

Of some people getting scratched.

Actually, this is -- I'd love to get valarie up here

To tell you some of her experiences.

Okay. Let's get her up here.

♪♪

-Rebecca: Oh, valarie. -Hello.

-Katrina: Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you, katrina.

-Hey. How's it going? Jack. -Nice to meet you, jack.

Yeah, rebecca tells us that this was an area

Where you had pretty crazy experiences.

Yeah. Absolutely.

I was sitting up here with a group of people.

Little bit later, I noticed that my back was burning.

There was an abrasion little bit right of my spine.

Was approximately an inch wide, maybe 3 to 4 inches long.

-Oh, wow. -It burned really bad,

And it was visible for at least four days following the event.

Katrina: It looks like almost like

You fell off a bike or something.

Valarie: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

The next night, after that had happened,

I was sitting up here again, roughly same time of night.

It was then that I noticed

This same kind of intense burning on my arm.

So I shifted the flashlight to my arm,

And the guide, myself,

We watched three welts develop down my arm.

What do you think caused it?

A part of me wants to say that I was overstaying my welcome.

Jack and katrina: Mm.

There's something nasty up here.

Either it's dormant or goes elsewhere,

But every once in a while,

There's something up here that doesn't want us here, yeah.

Comes through, yeah.

♪♪

What's the most active place for you?

We're standing in it.

I've witnessed this strange, blobby-looking thing.

We could see its shadow up on the ceiling,

And I saw what I can only describe

As something that looked like a tentacle,

And similar things have been seen throughout the building.

Predominantly, though, it likes to hang out on the fourth floor.

Hmm.

♪♪

Katrina: We learned a lot of different things from valarie, I think.

She believes that whatever's here is negative.

So she believes that this creepy-crawly thing

That multiple people have experienced

Could be the negative thing.

♪♪

It's a lot. Are you okay?

I just know that, you know, soon as this place gets dark,

It's gonna be like, "what the [bleep]?"

Yeah.

♪♪

♪♪

-So we have interesting news. -Jack: Drop it on me.

Our wonderful associate producer, hannah...

-Mm-hmm? -...She did some digging for us,

And did find an article that you might find interesting.

"a lewis county judge has ordered

"two severely ill mental patients

"accused of murdering another patient at weston hospital

To undergo competency tests."

David mason, 25.

James woods, 30.

They were accused of killing dean metheny.

Let's write that name down real quick.

Bedpost murder.

Well, we have the names of the murderers now

And we have the name of the victim.

We're kind of the first investigative team to have them

And be able to put them out there.

Katrina: This is all-new information

That we're able to confirm with historic documentation.

So it's all pretty important

Because during the course of the investigation,

If we get anything that matches the names

Or even subjective experiences as to how the victim died,

Then it could kind of corroborate all of that stuff

That's been going on up there.

We got some severe ground to cover here.

[ sighs ] we do, indeed.

Alright, think warm thoughts. Let's get cracking.

Okay. Ready?

[ thunder rumbles ]

[ clock ticking ]

So we have something really cool

That we can use for our investigation tonight.

This is a piece of artwork done by one of the patients.

So you can see the back of it, too.

"well," "power," "man of the year,"

"healthy," "better," "enjoy."

So it was actually made by one of the murderers

From the bedpost murders. -Ohh!

We can use this as, like, a trigger object.

This is a piece of artwork done by one of the patients.

So you can see the back of it, too.

So it was actually made by one of the murderers

From the bedpost murders. -Ohh!

We can use this as, like, a trigger object in the room

Where the murder happened. -Okay.

Because rebecca's big question is, you know,

Is this guy still here?

But we can put it in the room, and if he is here,

It might enact some sort of response. Yeah.

♪♪

Jack: We've decided to bring

A psychic medium, michelle belanger,

To jump-start our investigation.

Michelle is our psychic bloodhound.

So she doesn't know where she's coming.

She's gonna turn up blindfolded.

Since a lot of my perceptions are with an inner eye,

Then taking away the distraction of physical sight

Helps me focus on what I'm tuning into

Beyond that perception.

Jack: We got a ton of work.

Probably have about a mile of cables to run.

So, uh, we gotta get to it.

♪♪

I'm always curious to see

What story a place is willing to tell me.

Jack: It's easy to get turned around in this place at night.

♪♪

They're flashing right now. Can you see 'em?

Katrina: I can, yeah, and it -- yeah, that's actually great.

♪♪

Here we go.

Camera 1 is where

Valarie allegedly was attacked.

Camera 2 is in ward r.

The bedpost hallway outside the bedpost murder room.

And camera 4 is the bedpost murder room.

Okay. Can you guys get michelle?

Bring her up.

Be very careful with her because she's blindfolded.

♪♪

Okay, I'm bringing you into scene with jack and katrina.

Katrina: Hi, michelle!

How's your experience been since you arrived?

-Interesting. -Jack: Yeah?

Uh, pretty clear image of, like, this brooding stone edifice

Just beyond a-a gate. -Okay.

The owner has asked us some pretty...

Well, specific questions about who or what is here.

So we're gonna take you to certain places.

Does that sound okay? -That -- that sounds good.

Okay. All right, great.

-Jack: Shall we? -Katrina: We shall.

♪♪

We know there was a woman here who committed suicide.

The owner needs to know the room.

Rebecca: We believe it's one of these right here.

We're on the right floor.

So this is where she did it? At least, the floor?

Yeah. We're on the right floor.

I just keep seeing off-green or off-blue, like,

A pale room...

Inviting someone to look into the room.

♪♪

I keep wanting to go that way.

Katrina: Okay, there is a room there. Okay.

♪♪

Michelle: This one feels right.

This is the woman...

The woman...Who --

Who did... Who did something.

And you see the room being a...

Somewhere between blue or green.

♪♪

It's really quite ugly paint.

She doesn't want to tell me her name.

♪♪

Yeah, she doesn't want to tell me her name.

♪♪

Katrina: It is pretty impressive,

Especially for somebody that can't --

I mean, she can't see anything.

So for her to pick up on a wall color,

Obviously, she's connecting to somebody.

So, we're going to take her to the third floor

To one of the rooms there that had a pretty significant event,

And we're gonna see what she can pick up there.

♪♪

Michelle: There's a presence up here

That feels timid at first.

♪♪

We had two violent patients in here

With a person who was mentally impaired.

♪♪

Do you want to talk with me?

♪♪

Are you...

Are you a boy, or are you just wearing that shape?

How old are you?

Not sure what's going on with this one.

Katrina: Is he intelligent?

That's an intelligent spirit, active?

I-I think so.

Timid, though, not chatty.

Almost mute.

Like, could be violent.

I don't know if he's, like...

Can't use his legs

Or if he just likes crawling around on the floor.

♪♪

I'm going to move a little bit this way to see.

♪♪

There's a weird pressure from...

So it's, like, a sense of something hanging.

♪♪

They tied a sheet around his neck, threw it up around a pipe,

And would basically raise him up in the air

Until he would pass out, then would let him back down,

Raise him back up again until he passed out.

It's just something hanging.

I don't think it goes all the way down to the floor.

♪♪

Took a wild stab at it, I'd say it's about body-shaped.

There's -- there's an intelligent haunting here.

Like, this one seems nonverbal.

And I just keep seeing him on the floor, like, looking up.

Like, he's -- he's from a prone position.

So, there was a brutal murder in here.

Okay.

And the victim was a...

A man who was allegedly --

You know, we heard rumors that he was actually a mute.

And two men, uh,

Murdered him in here by, um,

They would kind of string him up

And, like, lynch him and then lower him down...

-[bleep] -...And then string him up...

[bleep]! ...And down, and they did that repeatedly.

[bleep].

[ shivers ]

So, there was a brutal murder in here.

[bleep]. Okay.

-Jack: They ended up...Yep. -Okay.

And they ended up taking their bed

And putting the bedpost on his head

And jumping on it until it crushed his skull.

Wow.

Well, it's safe to say, that's still very much here.

[ shivers ]

Yeah, and he's still an intelligent spirit then here?

He's still here.

Just so you know, this was in the '80s,

So it was not that long ago. -[ shivers ]

Katrina: Here's the other thing, too.

You describe him as being very childlike,

So the crawling, the hiding, all that stuff.

Michelle: Yep. He was a very nice guy, but occasionally,

He would have these really violent outbursts.

Yep, okay. No, he's definitely still here.

A question that we have is recently,

One of his murderers has passed away,

And since that passing, the owner wants to know

If any of the murderers are here.

No, but they came by once,

And he's not over it.

It's almost like he keeps going through it,

Like it triggered something.

So this replay of what had happened to him,

But he's still here, partly engaged in that replay.

Is there anything that he likes,

That we could maybe bring up here?

Did he like to color? Did he like to draw?

I'd try, like, rolling a ball to him.

Jack: Okay.

He seems pretty simple with -- with his tastes.

Do you think he would respond to his name?

♪♪

Yeah, he might.

Well, we should continue -- continue on.

♪♪

Jack: We're headed to the fourth floor,

And this is where valarie, the tour guide,

Was allegedly attacked.

It seems like everyone says "the fourth floor"

Or "beware, beware the fourth floor."

It seems to be the most active and the most aggressive.

There's something that feels forceful here.

As an intelligent force, michelle?

Is it human? Non-human?

It's reacting to me, so I say intelligent.

♪♪

There's a physical imposingness

That is part of that assertiveness.

If it thinks you should know that it's here...

First, it will see you and it will get closer...

...If you don't pay attention to it.

♪♪

I think it will start to be...

Physically,

In the sense of putting hands on you,

Possibly a heaviness, that heaviness.

♪♪

[ sighs deeply ]

Safe to take this off?

Katrina: It's safe to take it off.

Okay. Ugh.

[ groans ]

[ katrina laughs ]

The other thing I'd say about this floor

Is it feels like...

People have come up here

With the intent of scaring themselves.

Katrina: So is that why activity would increase up here?

Michelle: Yeah, I mean, like attracts like.

Stuff is intelligent enough here

To react to people's expectations

And to try to get a rise out of them.

Purposely scaring people? -Yeah. Oh, hell, yeah.

♪♪

Katrina: Michelle, as always, thanks so much for coming.

There was really some stuff that you nailed

That I think will help our investigation for tonight.

Michelle and jack: Yeah.

♪♪

-I think we're all set up. -Jack: Okay.

And there's so much ground to cover,

So probably what makes the most sense is for us to split up.

For me personally, I need to go back to ward r.

If you want to take ward t? -Sure.

We have the 3-d mapping camera,

So if there's any figures that have any mass,

That should show up on that. -Okay.

And we also have itc devices that pick up on voices.

We have the laser grid set up in the bedpost hallway

To pick up any figures moving around.

And then we also have recorders for evps. Okay. Alright.

♪♪

Hey, you ready?

♪♪

Jack: Am I that way? -Katrina: You're that way.

I'm this way. -Alright, cool.

-Okay. -Alrighty.

-Alright, good luck. -See ya.

Jack: The fourth floor is where a lot

Of the activity occurs in this building.

There are dozens of reports of people hearing footsteps,

People seeing black shadows walking at the end of hallways.

It's where michelle definitely picked up

On some kind of dark presence.

And it's where valarie was allegedly scratched.

Katrina: I know you're up here.

You gonna slam one of these?

[ door slams ]

♪♪

Can you show us that you're here?

You knock on something for me?

[ knocks on door ]

I almost feel like we're being observed.

I want to know who you are. I want to know what you are.

I want to see if we can get some answers.

Yeah.

I heard, like, voices.

Is that what you heard?

[ radio interference ]

Katrina: Well, let's try an itc session.

Oh, no.

No. I think it died.

There it goes. It -- it just died.

"database is corrupt. It can't be trusted.

It may not work properly."

What?

What the [bleep]?

Why's it keep wanting to initialize?

♪♪

Jack: Alright, so we're having technical difficulties

Already up here.

Elaine, can you hear me?

Can you send lauren up here to

Fix this kinect 3-d mapping thing. It's not working.

Elaine: Yeah, copy. Coming at ya.

He is. Right now?

♪♪

Jack: Okay, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna have to scratch it.

My 3-d mapper went down.

Brand-new.

No reason for that thing to be acting up.

♪♪

Katrina? -Yeah?

Jack: Coming in. How's it been going for you?

Like, none of my equipment's working. [ laughs ]

Really?

Well...No, I'm just having some tech issues.

Yeah, my 3-d mapper

[bleep] out on me.

-Did it really? -Yeah.

Just didn't -- kept just close -- like, every time

We would try and boot up the program, it would shut down.

So in my experience, when batteries start dying like that,

Equipment just gets messed up like that,

It's, like, whatever is there is kind of gearing up

To manifest somehow.

♪♪

Okay, let's get this going again.

Let's start in, um, the bedpost murder room

Because that was definitely the place

Where michelle had the strongest connection.

Yeah.

And she very much felt that dean is still here.

And we have some trigger objects.

-Yep. -We're gonna bring

A piece of art that was made by one of the murderers,

Kind of throwing a lot different things at it

To see if we can get any kind of interaction.

100%

♪♪

♪♪

Hi, dean. -Katrina: Okay.

This is dean metheny's room.

A lot of people said he was very, you know, mentally --

He was very much that of a child.

So I figured why not bring some toys

That might entice him a little bit?

Brought some candy, spread that out on the floor.

We've got the rem pod near it all,

And we're just gonna see if we can actually

Get him to communicate with us.

[ groans, sighs ]

I thought that maybe before we begin,

Maybe you want to just, like,

Sit in some silence for a minute in the room?

Katrina: I think that's a great idea.

♪♪

[ device ringing ]

Dean, is that you?

[ device ringing ]

♪♪

♪♪

[ device ringing ]

Dean, is that you?

[ device ringing ]

Dean, if that's you, we need to know that you're here.

Can you help us figure that out?

♪♪

[ device ringing ]

Jack: Light.

[ ringing continues ]

♪♪

That's crazy.

That thing's going nuts. -It's going nuts in here.

Something's making the rem pod go off.

The rem pod essentially creates its own emf field,

So anything that breaks that field, it should set it off.

You know what, dean? We can actually play a really fun game.

So jack and I will ask some questions,

And every time the answer is yes,

You make that light up green.

If the answer is no, you don't do anything, okay?

Did you die in this room?

[ beeps ]

♪♪

Are you still scared?

♪♪

Do you know the people who killed you?

♪♪

[ beeping ]

♪♪

Do you get to move throughout this whole building?

♪♪

[ beeps ]

♪♪

It's a fun toy isn't it?

♪♪

[ beeps ]

♪♪

Do you like us being here, dean,

Having someone to talk to and play with?

♪♪

[ beeping ]

Dean, is that you affecting our rem pod?

[ beeping ]

♪♪

I'm gonna try something, okay?

♪♪

I've never seen anything like this.

♪♪

Dean, do you know who this belonged to?

♪♪

Do you know who this is?

♪♪

Dean, did we scare you? Can you come back?

He's not here. It's just -- it's just a piece of art.

He's not here, so he can't hurt you.

Dean, if we take this away, will you come back and talk to us?

♪♪

Okay, I'm gonna take it away, okay?

'cause I think maybe it's upsetting you.

♪♪

Okay, we put that away.

So he can't hurt you, okay? [ beeps ]

[ chuckles ]

[ exhales deeply ]

♪♪

This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. Hands down.

♪♪

What do you think?

I'm just amazed by this.

-Yeah? -I've never...

Not this long, not this consistent.

No?

This -- I can't explain this.

-Me, either. -And, like,

I-I won't be able to know, like, whoever's, like,

You at home watching this, like...

There are no radios on in here right now.

There is no way to remote control this.

Something is physically breaking the electronic magnetic field

That this thing is emitting.

I've never really had that type of interaction

With rem pod before, but I feel bad.

I feel really bad for him.

Jack: That's, to me, the most definitive experience

I've ever had.

I just think that, like... [ beeps ]

-I think he like you, jack. -I think you do, yeah.

Probably part of why spirits stick around is

'cause they felt like they weren't heard

Or recognized or acknowledged in the right way.

Maybe a part of me thinks that if they get enough

Of that acknowledgement,

Then they can fulfill and move on.

[ beeps ]

Katrina: "yes." [ chuckles ]

Alright, well, there we go. [ chuckles ]

Dean, I just want to let you know

I'm really sorry what happened to you.

You have a good night,

And, uh, do us a favor and watch our backs.

That was crazy.

Katrina: That was really cool.

Yeah.

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That, to me's crazier than ouija board

Or anything like that.

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Dean, if you can hear me,

I would love it if you could walk back and forth,

If that is you.

If that's the person that everyone keeps seeing,

Walk or crawl back and forth so we can see you on our camera.

[ device beeping ] [ whispers ] what's going on?

Jack: Byron, was that you?

Katrina: What was that?

That was really -- that was on this hall.

Katrina: Dean, I would love it

If you could walk back and forth, if that is you.

[ device beeping ] [ whispers ] it's going off.

Jack: Byron, was that you?

That was on this hall.

Jamie, was that you?

-Katrina: It wasn't jamie? -Jack: No.

Was it this door?

Oh, okay.

I'll tell you exactly what this was.

[ door bangs ]

-Katrina: Yeah. -That's what that was.

Jack: What was that?

-Huh. -I just think

They're really heavy doors.

Yeah, that is a heavy door for wind.

It would have to be a burly gust.

Like, yeah.

Jack: And it when you were asking...

I was asking dean to actually

Walk in front of our lasers for us...

Okay. ...So we could see him on camera.

Jack: Alright.

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Thank you, dean. -Bye, dean.

Actually, it was really funny, I don't know if you heard it,

When I was asking him to do that,

The rem pod started going off.

-Jack: Really? -[ chuckles ] yeah.

Even when you weren't in the room?

No, I wasn't in the room.

I was like, "can you just do that for me, please?"

And it was like... [ imitates device beeping ]

That's the craziest [bleep] I've ever seen.

Like...

Wow. -Yeah.

Jack: I think we had

One of the most poignant paranormal experiences

In my paranormal investigative career.

He can't hurt you, okay? [ beeps ]

[ exhales deeply ]

That conversation, that was powerful.

Very powerful.

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Rebecca: Hey, guys. How you doing?

Jack: Good. How you doing?

So first, we brought our friend michelle, who's a medium.

She calls herself a "psychic bloodhound."

Okay. [ laughs ] interesting.

And she arrived at the insane asylum

Completely blindfolded, didn't know anything about the place,

Has never been here before.

And initially, she started picking up childlike energy

In the bedpost room, so we went back to that room

Without michelle to do the bulk of our investigation. Mm-hmm.

And we brought a rem pod with us,

Which emits, like, an electromagnetic field

That if something breaks it... -Mm-hmm.

...Or has its own electromagnetic frequency,

It will trigger it. And --

Wait, you're saying you think you communicated with dean?

We literally had a long conversation with him

With a rem pod.

Do you know the people who killed you?

[ beeps ]

So, I'll take you back a little bit to michelle.

She's like, "I see him crawling around on the floor.

He's hiding under his bed."

She's like, "I feel like he's so kind,

But he has a tendency for violent outbursts."

That's exactly him.

-Jack: Yeah. -Katrina: Right?

I don't know if he can't use his legs

Or if he just likes crawling around on the floor.

Timid, though, not chatty.

Almost mute, but could be violent.

This was the hallway.

Now, we put up a laser grid, and, you know, the theory is

If something passes through it, it'll block out the lasers

And, you know, you might be able to make something out.

Now, focus you attention on this area right here.

Okay.

Right here.

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Watch.

No way!

We're trying to determine what that is.

Is it light reflecting off somewhere?

If so, what is the light?

This emits from the center of it out

And then shrinks back in.

Watch it again. Right here.

Then it shrinks back into itself.

Wow.

And that during our rem pod session with dean.

-Well, that's very unusual. -Yeah.

Okay, so, do you think he is the black mass

That's going back and forth from the room

Into his area, playing a game? -Katrina: Yeah.

So michelle believes the shadow is dean

And that it's a residual energy that's playing in there,

But it's also an intelligence.

Considering how many people experience stuff...

-Yeah. -...In that area of the hospital

And that it always seems to be connected to dean

And the murder that happened there... Mm-hmm.

I think that makes a lot of sense.

Jack: Have you heard of the stone tape theory?

-No. -Okay, the stone tape theory

Is one that stone can record energy.

So the fact that the building's made of sandstone,

And in a lot of cases,

Sandstone has a high quartz crystal content... Mm-hmm.

...In it, I'm wondering if the building is holding on

To some of the energy.

That is very interesting.

So I think you have a lot of different things going on here.

And as far as portals go or openings,

I think there's just a ton of elements here that,

When we're looking at it from a paranormal perspective,

Really start to make sense

When you start looking at all the layers.

Yep.

It's usually places where there's so much activity.

And places with a lot pain and trauma, like trans-allegheny,

We know there was pain there. We know there was trauma.

We know there were people that had procedures done

That they couldn't consent to.

And I think a lot of times in the paranormal,

We see that open doorways to certain things.

It's one of those things, like,

I run away, and you run toward it.

It is very frightening.

-Yeah. -Very frightening to me.

But, I mean, really, it makes so much more sense to me now.

But I can't tell you how much I appreciate you guys coming.

-Katrina: Yeah. -Hey, this was awesome.

It was a great experience.

The things is, is that it's not always black or white.

Sometimes you have to open your mind up

To the things that scare you the most.

For me, I think the most compelling stuff

That we came across is the potential

Of the stone tape theory. -Mm-hmm.

Just that the building is holding this energy there?

-Yes. -Mm-hmm.

And even energy that is still alive.

If these walls could talk,

I guarantee you they would tell some pretty horrific stories.

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