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SEAN BEAN: During the 1960s,
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two brothers dominated
London's underworld.
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- Wakey wakey!
- Hello, mate!
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SEAN: The Krays.
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But who was the criminal mastermind
even Ronnie and Reggie feared?
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The man they called
"The Godfather of Britain".
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MAN: I didn't grass, I swear!
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- We all know that's
not true, don't we?
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MAN: Billy...
(gunshot)
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? Please allow me
to introduce myself...
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SEAN: Charismatic, glamorous,
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violent and unhinged.
- (screaming)
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SEAN: The Kray twins'
exploits are the stuff of legend.
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They're the archetype
of the London gangster.
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And it seems like almost
everybody has a story about them.
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But while Reggie and Ronnie
might be the most famous,
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they weren't the first.
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There was a criminal
far more successful
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that showed them how it was done.
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And that man's name was Billy Hill.
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? ..pleased to meet you,
hope you guessed my name
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? Oh, yeah!
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? But what's confusing is
just the nature of my game... ?
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(film reel whirring)
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(shouting, shooting)
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MAN: We've been creating myths
around villains for centuries.
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Cos those of us who live in
a non-criminal environment
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often secretly fantasise about what
it would be like to be a gangster.
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What would it be like to rob a bank?
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It gives us a buzz,
but it also gives us a buzz
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when they get caught.
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(siren wailing, radio chatter)
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But in reality,
they don't actually all get caught.
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- Successful criminals,
nobody knows who they are.
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Only afterwards, it's come out about
how big the money was they earned.
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MAN: He was the ultimate
governor out of all of them.
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And even the Krays
said it themselves,
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"I always wanted
to be like Billy Hill.
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"I wanted to emulate Billy Hill."
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- Billy Hill basically was
a functioning psychopath.
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He was able to extort, bribe,
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coerce people to do his bidding
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and hurt and killed a lot of
people along the way.
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SEAN: A psychopath who carved up
London with violence and fear,
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who would become
the capital's criminal kingpin.
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Born William Charles Hill
on the 13th of December, 1911.
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His story starts in the Seven Dials
area of London's West End,
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then a slum with incredibly
poor living conditions.
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- Seven Dials was known as "Thieves
Kitchen" for very good reason.
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You couldn't turn a corner without
someone either threatening you
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or trying to rob you.
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- His father was a thief
and his mother was a fence.
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DICK: He had a sister who was
a member of the Elephant Gang
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who were the top
shoplifters at the time.
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I guess you'd call 'em
a criminal family.
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They had to be to survive.
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There were always visitors to the
house who were involved in crime,
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so criminal activity
was normal to him.
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SERENA: You have a choice as whether
you get stuck in and engage with it,
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or you try and be something
really, really different.
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And that's a bigger challenge in
many ways, to pull yourself out
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and be different to the norm
that's been created.
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DICK: Very early on, Billy found he
had a certain penchant for burglary.
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He became a very competent thief.
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SERENA: I think he found his craft.
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I think like you or I
might enjoy our jobs,
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he found something he knew
he was good at, and for him,
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it was a very rational
choice to do what he did.
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- He was born to be a criminal
and he very quickly got good at it.
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- There's rumours Billy committed
his first stabbing at age 14.
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Official records show that at 16,
he was convicted of burglary
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and sent to Borstal on
a three-year sentence.
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Those same records describe
an escape Billy made
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with another inmate, during which
they assaulted a housemaid.
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They were caught, and he
was brutally punished for it
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by being given
12 strokes of the birch.
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- (grunting)
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- In later life, he described the
impact of that incident, saying...
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"The birch tears you to pieces,
but once you've had it...
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"..you feel you've really
overcome something.
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"You're tougher.
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"And from then on,
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"I knew that nothing on
God's earth could stop me."
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DICK: He started to make
connections in Borstal
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with other up-and-coming
young criminals.
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And he applied this
networking ability to his career
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as a criminal when he
came out of Borstal as well.
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And Billy quite quickly, by the time
he was in his late teens,
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became the leader of this network,
the main player in this network.
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SERENA: Really more than anything
to me, he was a story teller.
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He was able to create stories
in the areas that he lived
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that created a rumour, that
created a myth, that created fear.
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DICK: He was aware of image.
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He would use a knife, and he would
carve a V on people's faces.
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That was his trademark.
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The word went out that this was what
this young man was willing to do.
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SEAN: He becomes known
for smash and grabs.
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His gang committed so many
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that the newspaper started
calling it a "crime wave".
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But a far bigger event would
soon steal the headlines.
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DICK: By the time World War II
comes around,
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Billy Hill has established himself
as being a competent thief.
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There were shortages of everything.
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Clothing, building materials,
food, cloth.
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And anything that you could steal,
there was a market for.
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- For criminals like Billy Hill,
this was an opportunity.
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Huge fortunes could be made
by providing people
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with what they couldn't get
from their ration books.
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WENSLEY: In a place like
Seven Dials, and most of London
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for that matter, there'd
always been a black market.
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But when the Second World War came,
it exploded.
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A criminal like Billy Hill
could go and buy
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700 boxes of cigarettes,
or often they'd be stolen,
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and then he could sell them
immediately on a street corner.
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Everything had a price,
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and most things were worth much more
than they were during peace time.
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SEAN: Billy's rise to prominence
would put him on the radar
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of every major player in the game.
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And there was one
London Gangster in particular
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who had him in his sights.
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Jack Comer, AKA "Jack Spot".
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DICK: He was running
scams at racecourses.
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He had gambling clubs,
he was into protection.
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DICK: By the end of the Second World
War, Spot had a bit of a foothold
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but not as much as he wanted.
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And at that point,
he gets together with Billy Hill.
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- The one place
they'd all came together...
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Soho.
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? Well, it's Saturday night
and I just got paid
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? Fool about my money,
don't try to save...
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DICK: The West End of London
was the great honeypot.
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? ..and I'm feelin' fine
I'm gonna rock it up
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? I'm gonna rip it up...
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DICK: There were young men
from all over the free world
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coming into London
in preparation for D-Day.
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And they had money to spend.
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They were spending money on drink,
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they were spending their money on
food, spending their money on sex.
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So, it was a boom time for Soho.
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WENSLEY: The relationship
between Billy Hill and Jack Spot
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was very important to both of them.
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They even went on holidays with
their wives to the South of France.
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DICK: They came together
as quite a formidable group.
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? ..and ball tonight! ?
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DICK: Billy's looking for
an opportunity to actually be
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involved in crime without
actually doing it himself
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and putting himself
at risk of imprisonment.
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SEAN: By 1948 Hill had spent almost
half of his 37 years in prison.
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The Criminal Justice Act
threatened repeat offenders
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with preventative detention,
so his next arrest
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would have meant a 14-year stretch.
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WENSLEY: He'd been in and out of
prison quite a number of times
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since his early teens and he
wasn't going to do it any more.
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SEAN: As Billy would say himself,
"I made my mind up that I had seen
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"the last of the inside
of the nick, and I meant it."
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But at the same time, he was quietly
putting the finishing touches
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to one of the biggest heists
in British criminal history.
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(whirring)
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SEAN: In the early hours of
May the 21st, 1952,
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one of the biggest
unsolved crimes in Europe
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would take place near Oxford Street.
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The Eastcastle Street robbery.
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- Billy Hill was quite creative and
he invented genres of crimes,
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like the post office van robbery.
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(thudding, shouting)
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SEAN: Someone would
get away with over �236,000,
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worth over �7.3 million today.
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DICK: No-one was ever arrested,
no-one was convicted
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and none of the money was returned.
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- 73 years later, after
numerous investigations,
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a crime remains unsolved.
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DICK: His girlfriend at the time,
Gyp, was one of the getaway drivers.
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- Who had a very straightforward,
down-to-earth manner to her.
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She understood Billy Hill
and I think she kept him intact.
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PRODUCER: 4, take 3...
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- I'm Justin Hill,
the biological son of Billy Hill.
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I first met Billy and Gyp
in a children's home.
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They used to come and visit me.
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They opened the door,
and Gyp was there
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and Billy behind, and she
knelt and opened up her arms
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and I run into 'em.
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Around about three and a half, Billy
and Gyp got full care and control.
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That's when I could
feel a family unit.
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She was Billy's ace card.
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There's a story of Billy & Gyp at
New Scotland Yard being interrogated
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for three days, three nights.
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And by the end, the police said,
"Let em go. Especially her."
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Even if she had Big Ben
in her pocket,
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she wouldn't tell you the time.
SEAN: But while Billy Hill and Gyp
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were busy being the
West End's power couple,
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two sharply dressed twin brothers
were stepping onto the scene,
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who would change the city forever.
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WOMAN: This lovely little lady
came and opened the door,
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you know, like your mum. She said,
"Oh, you must be Maureen.
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"Come in. Would
you like a cup of tea?"
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"Yes, please."
"I've made a lovely cake"
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Anyway, I've sat down
and while she was making the tea,
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I've looked up and all around
this kitchen was hangers,
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with pure white
starched ironed shirts.
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"Yeah, they're for my sons."
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I drank my tea and I ate my lovely
cake when I heard a door go,
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and I heard. "Mum"...
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And she went, "Oh, that's Reggie."
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In came this guy, quite serious.
Startled to see me.
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I was a stranger and he went,
"Oh, who are you?"
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I said, "Well, I'm the hairdresser."
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And she said, "Where's Ronnie?"
The door goes, click.
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"Mum!"
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I looked at him, I thought if
I wasn't here with their mother
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and I met him out,
I'd be frightened.
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I'd be frightened of the look
he gave me to find me there.
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Those eyes were terrifying.
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And I've never met anybody
that could intimidate you
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with just that one look.
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MAN: We're still talking about the
Krays today, because they were
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in the eyes of the public,
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an interesting,
exciting gang to look at.
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MAN: If you was in their presence,
you didn't know you was
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in the presence of killers.
You know I have to tell ya,
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the word on the street
amongst other people
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is they killed many more people than
you know what is out there.
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- The Kray Twins would have heard
of the Eastcastle Street robbery
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and how it made fortunes
for those involved.
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- Nobody took them
very seriously back then.
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They started to get a reputation
for being hard nuts.
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- Not a lot of people know that
they were both professional boxers
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from a young age. And they were
at a boxing ring called Repton.
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Reggie showed real promise,
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he never lost a fight
as a professional boxer.
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The problem, though,
was that Ronnie was often
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getting into fights
outside of the boxing ring.
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- The first thing I say to him is,
"You respect me
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"and respect my trainers.
If you feel you can't do that,
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"don't come to my club."
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Reggie could have
gone on and won titles.
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I think the destruction
from his brother
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really took that away from him.
Once you put guns in their hands,
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that was it. They were away
them lads, that's how they were.
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SERENA: Identical twins
are not always close,
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but with Ronnie and Reggie,
we do see a very intense
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and close relationship.
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It appears they don't really
see themselves as separate,
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they see themselves as one entity.
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They're kind of functioning
together doing the same thing.
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And if one veers off,
the other one tends to follow.
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- As East Londoners, they would
have known the name Billy Hill.
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Everyone did.
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DICK: To the Krays, Billy Hill
was someone to look up to.
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Well dressed, very smart.
Lived a rather glossy lifestyle.
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They wanted to be like Billy Hill,
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but everybody wanted
to be like Billy Hill.
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STEPHEN: You have to look
at the East End where there's
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so much poverty, where people are
not getting a lot of opportunities
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to see other role models.
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"This is what I aspire to.
This is the way out."
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WENSLEY: Following the success
of the Eastcastle Street robbery,
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Billy Hill thought it
was really too easy.
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DICK: Two years later, 1954,
he organises a robbery of a KLM van
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with gold bullion in it, which was
over �40,000 in those days.
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So, it's a lot of money.
(siren wailing)
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No-one was ever convicted,
none of the gold was ever returned.
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So again, this is an
example of someone
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who clearly has got
criminal intelligence.
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Bobby McKew was
important to Billy Hill,
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he was a friend and
Billy Hill's driver as well.
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STEPHEN: 100 years old now, Bobby.
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- Friend of mine was owed
some money by a woman
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who had a club just off Piccadilly.
Drinking club.
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He asked me to say,
"Would I go and tell her to pay?"
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But he said "Oh,
I'll come with you."
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There was a hush, obviously
they knew who Billy was,
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and suddenly, her dog came over
and Billy went,
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"Get out the way!" Kicked the dog.
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He said, "Make sure you pay
that money, you know who I am!"
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And when he went down,
he picked the dog up and said,
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"I didn't mean it,
I didn't mean it."
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That was Billy.
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JUSTIN: One day, we
were sitting playing snap
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and I declared that I won.
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So Billy turned around
and said, "No, I've won."
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So, me being a snotty-nosed kid,
got up and kicked him in the shins.
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Well, I have never seen
a face turn so quick.
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I turned, I run, I got
halfway up the stairs,
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and all of sudden, I felt
his hand on the top of my head
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and he shook my head
from side to side.
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Next I knew was Gyp,
getting in the middle
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and he switched like that,
back to normal.
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- So we see someone who lies, they
are manipulative, they're cunning.
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That's the Machiavellianism.
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He's glib, he's charming,
he's superficial, he's grandiose.
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He's able to lure people to him
to get them to do his bidding.
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That's the psychopathy.
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The narcissism,
he's controlling the story.
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Everything he says is a story.
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It's what he wants you
to see of him,
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so that he can
control the narrative.
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DICK: Billy Hill by this time
had become very friendly
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with a journalist
called Duncan Webb.
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And Duncan Webb was the top
journalist for The Sunday People.
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Sunday newspapers in those days
had a huge circulation.
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Over 4 million people
bought The Sunday People.
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WENSLEY: Not only did Duncan Webb
become his public relations man,
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but he also provided
alibis for Billy Hill
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so he could avoid being arrested.
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And used him, unashamedly,
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as a public relations machine
almost, for him as a criminal.
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There was a series of articles
written by Duncan Webb
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in collaboration with Billy Hill
about Billy,
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about what a criminal
mastermind he was.
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And that was then
turned into a book,
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Boss of Britain's Underworld,
ghost-written by Duncan Webb.
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- This was the first ever
professional criminal
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doing an autobiography.
So, it's a pretty important moment
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when you look at all the true crime
books that have been produced since.
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Many of them written by criminals,
or through ghostwriters,
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and this book not
only got published,
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but Billy Hill had a massive
launch party for his autobiography.
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He had Lords there!
He had celebrities like Diana Dors.
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This was like almost society
approving of Billy Hill.
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And they were all quite fascinated
because he didn't come marching in
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with a gun or punch
someone in the face.
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He was good at having a chat.
He could relate to anybody.
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- A lot of people thought
he looked like Humphrey Bogart.
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- He was good at PR.
He was carefully photographed
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wearing a trench coat and a
trilby hat. He was everybody's idea
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of what a gangster should look like.
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- All of it is a play
into his world.
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He's someone that has been
very, very clever at constructing
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a narrative that he wants
other people to believe of him.
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DICK: But in the criminal world,
notoriety came at a cost.
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Fame made Billy a marked man,
and it would nearly prove fatal.
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Jack Spot was very
jealous of Billy Hill.
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He broke Duncan Webb's arm in
a fit of temper
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and he got his own ghost writer.
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And a book came out, full of hype...
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Jack Spot, A Man
of a Thousand Cuts.
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The festering grievance
between Hill and Spot
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who at one time been very close,
was now quite out in the open
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and something was going to give.
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Spot hired a group of young men,
provided them with guns
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and they were
going to shoot Billy Hill.
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Word got out that this is
what was going to happen.
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These young men were captured,
the guns were taken from them.
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Billy Hill decided that
Spot would be attacked.
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But not killed. Billy Hill was
very keen on not killing him.
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You've got to remember this time
that capital punishment
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was still there. If you killed
someone, you were gonna get hung.
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And one night, Jack Spot
and his wife Rita were attacked.
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It was Frank Fraser that did it.
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Fraser used the Shillelagh,
a traditional Irish implement.
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And this particular Shillelagh
had been given to Billy Hill
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by Jack Spot when they
were on much friendlier terms,
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so it was a highly symbolic
weapon for Fraser to use.
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And when Spot was on the ground,
Fraser then took out his razor
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and slashed his face many times.
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JACK: (on recording)
My name is Jack Spot.
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They cut my ear,
you see, on the floor?
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Which I picked up
and put in my pocket.
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They cut me from here,
down here. Stabbed me.
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Billy Hill, he destroyed me.
What a bastard!
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- A psychopath will feel
nothing about removing you
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out of the equation.
You were standing in their way
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of having their needs met.
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STEPHEN: It's about domination,
it's about control.
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It's about taking over. When you're
on that kind of train, of course,
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there's no way back anyway.
So, you really have to push forward
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and anyone who stands in your way,
they are surplus to requirements.
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SEAN: Jack Spot was out
and the Krays were moving in.
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Except this time, Billy didn't see
an enemy, he saw an opportunity.
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As he embarked on
one of the greatest cons
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ever pulled in British history.
- (screaming)
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DICK: The Kray twins were called up,
as all other 18-year-olds were,
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to serve national service.
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And they didn't last long. But it
was an important time for the Krays
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because it's then
that they established
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their anti-authoritarian lifestyle
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and they came into
contact with deserters,
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they came into contact with black
marketeers, they came into contact
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with some heavy-duty gangsters, and
Billy Hill was part of that world.
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- When the Kray twins met him,
they immediately idolised him.
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DICK: Billy Hill's initial response
was really, "Can I use these guys?"
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Cos that's what gangsters do.
He tested them out
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by phoning 'em late
one night and saying,
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"I need you to come to home, now."
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The Krays got some guns together,
they went to his home and said,
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"Where's the trouble?"
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"Nothing, lads, I was just testing
you." And he gave them �500.
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- What Billy Hill did that day
set the Krays off in motion.
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And it was probably the
moment where they decided
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they wanted to go up the ladder.
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- Billy Hill saw a lot of
potential in them and knew
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that they were the
next follow-on thing.
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DICK: The Krays
started their own clubs.
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They had the billiard hall
first of all, but it was from
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the billiard hall that they
started getting involved in
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bits and pieces of protection.
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WENSLEY: During the 50s,
protection rackets became
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a very big source of
income for criminals.
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"We're worried your shop might
get burnt to the ground by a thug,
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"but if you pay us, we'll
make sure those thugs don't."
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Well, of course, the thug was
the one who would do the burning.
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CAROLINE: They managed
to acquire the Double R club.
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That was really the beginning
of when they started to
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infiltrate into the club life.
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DICK: Reg always
wanted to be a club owner.
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He'd be a slightly criminal club
owner, but nonetheless a club owner.
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- It was their first chance to
create a club atmosphere
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that brought the West End
to the East End.
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And that is something that made them
idols in a lot of Eastender's lives.
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It was a step away from
their East End lifestyle.
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They got to dress up as if they
were rich and they loved that.
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- Most of the clubs
are very respectable,
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and I don't think there's
any trouble at all in them.
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Except occasionally.
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- And sometimes,
they'd have to be slung out.
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- Jack Spot's demise
paved way for the Krays.
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That's when Billy tried
to guide and advise.
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DICK: By the mid 1950s,
Billy was looking around
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for the next stage in his life.
He had plenty of money,
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he could have retired
easily at this point,
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but there's always
room for more money.
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Billy Hill was a gambler.
He understood gambling,
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but he didn't like
the racetrack gangs.
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He wasn't interested in them,
he was interested in making money.
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WENSLEY: Billy Hill's
ability to mix with aristocrats
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worked out very well for him
at one stage in London
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because he was frequenting
casinos and gambling clubs,
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particularly The Clermont,
which was a very famous one
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run by John Aspinall,
a notoriously rich, artful character
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who was known as
Britain's No.1 gambler.
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Billy Hill not only went to these
clubs, but in The Clermont,
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he decided he could see
a classic opportunity.
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SEAN: One of the most
outrageous scams
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ever perpetrated on
London's high society
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has to be what happened
at The Clermont Club.
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What would come to be
known as "The Big Edge".
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DICK: Now, he was a traveller,
he liked to travel.
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To Monte Carlo, Nice, North Africa.
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Wherever he went
he would talk to people,
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and he picked up on one of his trips
from some Corsican
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organised crime figures, a scam
which he would turn into
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probably the biggest
card scam that we've seen.
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- See, the French were using it
for years but nobody knew about it.
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They came in and
showed us how to do it.
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The Big Edge.
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But how did they do it?
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The Big Edge involved putting
cards through a kind of mangle,
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which would give 'em
a certain wrinkle,
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and people who were properly
trained could see the wrinkle
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and decide what kind of card it was
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and decide how to play
their particular hand.
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- The way that we were doing it
was just by bending the cards.
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DICK: And Billy was in the
middle of it, he was organising it.
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WENSLEY: And they were fleecing
gamblers left, right and centre.
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- They made millions.
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SEAN: It was reported at the time
that the 18th Earl of Derby
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lost over �1.7 million in
today's money, in one night.
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It was like robbing Fort Knox
and the Bank of England
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at the same time.
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"Just a lot easier,"
said Bobby McKew!
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DICK: While Billy was flying under
the radar in the West End,
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over in the east,
things were getting out of hand.
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? Running into one another
464
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640
? Outside a cafe in Paris...
465
00:28:59,641 --> 00:29:03,679
- The Kray twins were becoming
known for their willingness
466
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,080
to fight anyone who challenged them.
467
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,480
- They was violent guys.
I could tell you a few stories.
468
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Ronnie stood up, cocked a gun, stuck
it in one of the Dixons' mouth,
469
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,240
knocked his teeth out, stabbed him
about four times in the neck.
470
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,290
- One story I will tell ya,
there was a fella, he would sell
471
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,190
stolen goods, jewellery,
clothing, shoes or whatever.
472
00:29:23,191 --> 00:29:26,119
But obviously, that interfered
with Ronnie and Reggie's business.
473
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,679
They shot him three times,
but they didn't kill him.
474
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,519
They dragged him down the road,
threw him down the boiler,
475
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,050
into the boiler on this big shovel.
He went in there
476
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,410
and that's the end of him.
They burnt him alive.
477
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
? ..you say you've been
with many others...
478
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,200
- Ronnie was the maniac. He had
a bit of trouble a Maltese family
479
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,640
in Brick Lane. He pulled out this
sword. His sword was enormous.
480
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,160
About seven foot long.
They were smashing
481
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,320
the door down with his sword.
482
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,410
STEPHEN: Ronnie
really went into him.
483
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,520
He put boiling water over him,
got a saw out the car.
484
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Got this guy on the corner
of the road on the curb
485
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,090
and started sawing his leg off.
- (screaming)
486
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,280
- As Billy said,
they were nice boys.
487
00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:08,159
DIRECTOR: They weren't nice!
They were quite frightening.
488
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,680
- They were all right.
? ..since the death of you and I! ?
489
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960
- (screaming)
490
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,760
PAUL: In 1956, Ronnie
and his brother in fact,
491
00:30:20,761 --> 00:30:24,239
beat up a lad called Terry Martin,
and it was a substantial beating,
492
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680
including bayonets stabbing.
493
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,890
And Ronnie would go on
to be convicted of
494
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,080
grievous bodily harm with intent.
495
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,640
It's whilst he's in prison
serving this three-year sentence
496
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,880
that he was examined by the doctors
497
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,280
and he was diagnosed
as schizophrenic.
498
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,030
SERENA: Ronnie was
diagnosed with schizophrenia
499
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,680
and in particular, paranoid
schizophrenia, which is a really
500
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,320
serious diagnosis and he would
have been really struggling with
501
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,880
a lot of really serious symptoms,
502
00:30:51,881 --> 00:30:53,999
particularly obviously
being paranoid.
503
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Can he believe what
people are saying?
504
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,520
He would have arguably been
experiencing some hallucinations
505
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880
as well, potentially voices.
506
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Today, people who get the right help
507
00:31:04,241 --> 00:31:06,799
can function perfectly
normally within society.
508
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Unfortunately, Ronnie at the time
didn't get the help that he needed.
509
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,400
SEAN: Like some of the other
criminals we've looked at,
510
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,080
the Krays were very good
at exploiting their media image.
511
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,800
CAROLINE: They didn't look
typical of an East End gangster.
512
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,680
STEPHEN: Suit, tie, pocket square,
the hair gelled black.
513
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,640
The whole bit.
514
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,870
CAROLINE: The Kray twins
had celebrities in their pockets,
515
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880
so it's no surprise that
the media were also there.
516
00:31:38,881 --> 00:31:42,719
PAUL: The British media were putting
these people on the front pages
517
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,400
as people to be reckoned with
and almost people to be admired.
518
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,240
- They have wide interests in
the theatre and entertainment,
519
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,960
and they're well known for their
fundraising work for charity.
520
00:31:54,961 --> 00:31:57,599
For some years, they've been
concerned in the running of
521
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
a number of West End
and East End clubs.
522
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,880
- They had a finger in every pie.
They could pick up a phone
523
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,640
and phone Lord Boothby.
524
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,920
PAUL: Now Boothby, of course,
was a Conservative peer,
525
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840
a senior member of the Tory Party.
526
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,560
Ronnie was a homosexual.
527
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,040
Homosexuality was
illegal at that time.
528
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,040
But there were
homosexual orgies going on.
529
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,440
And it was just an open secret
530
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,070
that these two were
engaged in these activities.
531
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Lord Boothby denied it.
532
00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:35,559
He said there's no
inappropriate relationship
533
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,919
but actually the reality was,
they were in bed together,
534
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,240
literally and metaphorically.
535
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,920
- I must tell you this little story.
When they became friends,
536
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,840
Boothby said, "Would you like to
have dinner at the House of Lords?"
537
00:32:48,841 --> 00:32:51,159
That wouldn't have
impressed Ronnie Kray,
538
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,960
it'd just be the food. He said,
"Yeah, if you wanna take me."
539
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,960
He said, "OK."
And he went to the House of Lords
540
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,160
for dinner, and Boothby, he said,
541
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,800
"They do wonderful
cocktails here, Ronnie."
542
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,880
He said, "Hm, I might like
to try one of those cocktails.
543
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,680
"I've heard about them."
"What sort of cocktail do you want?"
544
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920
He said, "A prawn cocktail."
545
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,840
(laughs)
546
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,680
PAUL: Ronnie Kray's association with
Lord Boothby provided a safety net,
547
00:33:22,681 --> 00:33:25,639
if you like, for the Krays.
The following year, when the Krays
548
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,520
were getting arrested,
the prosecution collapsed
549
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,690
because Boothby was in the
House of Lords making big noises
550
00:33:31,691 --> 00:33:34,759
in support of the Krays, to say
these guys are being picked on,
551
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,119
the police are acting
inappropriately and these people
552
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,520
should be out of custody
and out on the streets.
553
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,720
- From the point of view
of the country,
554
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,280
they ought to be released tomorrow.
555
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,770
Because there is no question of the
rights and wrongs of this matter!
556
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,520
PAUL: From 1964 onwards,
it effectively gave the Krays
557
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520
a free hand to operate in
the East End, and of course,
558
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,320
this is the beginning of
their most violent period.
559
00:33:58,321 --> 00:34:01,679
DICK: The brothers had considerable
clout not only in the underworld,
560
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,800
but also in the media
and in Parliament.
561
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,160
They must have felt invincible.
562
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,680
- But maybe that
would be their downfall.
563
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:25,120
- 1966 is when everything started
going downhill for the Kray twins.
564
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,000
- A few years earlier, Ronnie Kray
was described by George Cornell
565
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
supposedly as "a big fat puff".
566
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Now, this of course, had not gone
down too well with Ronnie Kray.
567
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,240
He hadn't dealt with it at the time.
568
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,530
And he thought it's now time
for him to go and settle the matter.
569
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,800
- One night, he was just
drinking in The Lion Pub,
570
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,000
a pub that they often went to,
and decided mid-pint
571
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,960
that he was going to walk
across to The Blind Beggar
572
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,600
where he knew George Cornell was.
573
00:34:55,601 --> 00:34:58,319
MAUREEN: He comes in the
side door from the side street
574
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,360
and he turns left at the bar...
575
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Cornell said in
a rather sarcastic way,
576
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,040
"Well, look who's just walked in."
577
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,000
MAUREEN: He didn't say one word.
578
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,840
He walked in and he shot him
straight through the head. There.
579
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,480
And he fell on the floor.
- (people screaming)
580
00:35:15,481 --> 00:35:18,079
DAVID: And they all told me,
the song that was being
581
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,719
played on the time, was The Sun
Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore,
582
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,160
the big hit.
? ..rise in the sky
583
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,360
? The tears are always clouding... ?
584
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,920
- It was a prime example
not only of their brutality.
585
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,560
But also of their recklessness.
586
00:35:33,561 --> 00:35:36,519
PAUL: And they hot-footed it
to where else but Morocco,
587
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,320
where Billy Hill was.
588
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560
- Billy Hill first went to
Morocco in the late 40s,
589
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,240
early 50s, and got
involved in smuggling.
590
00:35:44,241 --> 00:35:47,479
WENSLEY: He'd spotted
something, an opportunity,
591
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,600
and it was cheap cigarettes,
and he started to import cigarettes,
592
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,680
illegally of course,
from Morocco to the UK,
593
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,560
and it was a very lucrative
business for Billy Hill,
594
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,080
and it kept him away from
London and away from the police.
595
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,480
JUSTIN: He took the brothers to
Morocco, he gave 'em a good holiday
596
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,560
and it was a lesson,
it was educational.
597
00:36:10,561 --> 00:36:14,999
SEAN: But the lesson wasn't taken to
heart, and soon the Krays were back
598
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,920
unleashing terror on the
streets of London once more.
599
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,320
Their next victim,
Jack "the Hat" McVitie.
600
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,600
- Jack the Hat,
he was a harmless person.
601
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,920
He wasn't a violent man,
he was a thief, he was a pest,
602
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,920
but what they did was
completely over the top.
603
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,720
PAUL: The Krays and the bulk of
The Firm were drinking in the pub
604
00:36:37,721 --> 00:36:40,319
called The Carpenter's Arms
and I believe Mum was there,
605
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,480
I believe Dad may
have even been there.
606
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,690
CAROLINE: Ronnie,
he was quite erratic.
607
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,160
His mental health was mostly out of
control throughout that time period.
608
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,440
- And he decided that was
the night that Jack The Hat
609
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,840
was going to get his comeuppance.
610
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,110
Now they had a flat
just round the corner,
611
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,890
and they decided what they
were going to do was to try
612
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,110
and set up what looked like
a bit of a party
613
00:37:02,111 --> 00:37:04,999
and a couple of the other members
of The Firm were told to go out
614
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,960
and get Jack The Hat, tell him that
there's a party round the corner.
615
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,320
Jack The Hat was found,
he was drunk,
616
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,520
he willingly went to the flat.
617
00:37:13,521 --> 00:37:16,159
It was only when he got
to the bottom of the stairs,
618
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,280
he realised it's a trick.
619
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,840
He's approached by Reggie
being urged on by his brother,
620
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,080
"Go on! Kill him, go on kill him."
621
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,840
And Reggie is really in a poor state
apparently, produced his gun...
622
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
...pulled the trigger,
but it didn't go off.
623
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,800
- So, Jack McVitie had
his opportunity to escape.
624
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,080
He ran and smashed the
window and tried to get out.
625
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960
But as he tried,
he was pulled back in.
626
00:37:40,961 --> 00:37:43,279
- Ronnie walks out of
the kitchen with a big knife,
627
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,990
gives it to Reggie and says,
"Go to work. Get rid of him."
628
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,920
PAUL: He stabs McVitie first
in the head and the neck,
629
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,080
and then the torso.
630
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
It was just a bloodbath.
631
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,950
One person would even say
it even looked like his head
632
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,160
had decapitated from his body.
633
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,880
To this day, the body
has never been found.
634
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,520
- By very publicly committing
the killings of Jack The Hat
635
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,880
and George Cornell, the Kray twins
were almost telling the police,
636
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040
"Come and get me!"
637
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,080
DICK: Their volatility was too much.
They basically self-combusted
638
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,410
with the two murders
that they committed,
639
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,640
and became impossible
for the police to ignore them.
640
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,210
PAUL: And eventually
decided enough's enough
641
00:38:36,211 --> 00:38:38,519
and they appointed a man called
Leonard Read, "Nipper Read"
642
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,000
famously in 1967,
who had one job only,
643
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,530
"Clear your in-tray, the only job
you've got to do is get the Krays."
644
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,200
And effectively, one by one,
there was this domino effect
645
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,000
of people starting to talk,
and eventually Nipper
646
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,600
had sufficient evidence to
prosecute for the murder of McVitie
647
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,280
and the shooting, of course,
of George Cornell.
648
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,720
- The 34-year-old ex-boxer brothers,
Reginald and Ronald,
649
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,760
came here with flying squad officers
at six o'clock this morning.
650
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,400
They were in bed when the officers
called to their home in Shoreditch.
651
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,040
- The Kray twins' later years
were spent in prison,
652
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,080
while the Empire
they'd built unravelled.
653
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,600
PAUL: A successful criminal is
someone who's made a good living.
654
00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:32,599
Never come to the
attention of the police
655
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,679
and people don't
know they're criminals.
656
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,320
If you go to prison, doesn't
sound very successful to me.
657
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:43,350
DICK: By the time
they had gone to prison,
658
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,160
Billy Hill was in
retirement in Tangier,
659
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,240
but also had a home in Marbella,
660
00:39:48,241 --> 00:39:51,039
he was one of the first of the
British Crims to go down there.
661
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,600
So, he was successful,
he got out with his money.
662
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,680
He got out with his sanity
and he could live the life.
663
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,200
JUSTIN: Before he met Gyp,
Billy was in and out of prison.
664
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,320
The day he met Gyp,
he never done a day's time.
665
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,080
SEAN: While battling ill health
brought on by a lifetime of smoking,
666
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,040
Billy Hill would die at
his home in Bayswater
667
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,160
on the 1st of January 1984, aged 72.
668
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,200
- Billy took an overdose
of sleeping tablets.
669
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,040
So basically, he was boss
till the end, of his own destiny.
670
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,230
- Billy made 100 times more
than both of 'em put together.
671
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Frankie Fraser used to say he died
the richest man in the graveyard.
672
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,560
- His death certificate said
he worked in "demolition".
673
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,000
In prison meanwhile, Ronnie's
mental health deteriorated rapidly.
674
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,320
He clashed repeatedly with
prison staff and other inmates
675
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,960
and ended up getting even
more isolated within the system.
676
00:41:00,961 --> 00:41:04,359
- At the beginning, when he first
went there, I went with Mrs Kray
677
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,240
a lot of times, and he
behaved and he was good.
678
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,280
He said, "When I come
home, I'm going to Suffolk."
679
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,870
He's buying a house with Reggie,
the two of them are living together
680
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,330
and then, "I'm gonna travel,"
which he does say
681
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
in that interview, doesn't he?
682
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
- I'd like to go abroad
for a short while
683
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,400
and then I'd like to be left alone.
684
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,800
- Reggie, on the other hand,
although the steadier
685
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,680
and more stable of the two, remained
imprisoned for over 30 years.
686
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,720
Ronnie died in 1995. Reggie was
allowed out to attend the funeral
687
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,360
where he was joined by hundreds
of well wishers and supporters.
688
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,440
Reggie died from terminal cancer
aged 66 on the 1st of October, 2000.
689
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,960
He was buried beside Ronnie.
690
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,960
The Krays twins legacy is a strange
combination of myth and fact.
691
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,040
They're remembered as
both notorious criminals
692
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,400
and also as enigmatic figures who
captivated the public imagination
693
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,400
and symbolised the rebellion
of the working classes
694
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,600
against the establishment.
695
00:42:11,601 --> 00:42:14,959
DICK: In the end, they made
more money off their books
696
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,359
and exploiting their name while they
were behind bars than they ever did
697
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,880
from any of the crimes
that they committed.
698
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,120
PAUL: There's a lot of people who
saw them as working class heroes.
699
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,360
When they eventually
died in 1995 and 2000,
700
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,600
the streets of London littered
with people watching the cortege
701
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,440
and the limousines that followed
their coffins to their graves.
702
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,280
Still people apparently
saying on the street,
703
00:42:41,281 --> 00:42:44,359
"They were good lads, really."
But actually, the reality was
704
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,960
they were dangerous,
violent individuals.
705
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,960
WENSLEY: The Krays tried to give the
impression they were Robin Hoods.
706
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,680
You know, taking from the rich,
giving to the poor.
707
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,160
It was absolute nonsense.
708
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,480
They didn't care who
they intimidated or robbed,
709
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,040
as long as they got
what they wanted.
710
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,760
SEAN: Billy Hill's legacy
was a bit more complex.
711
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,080
- He was a good man.
712
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,320
I mean, you can't judge
someone on their upbringing.
713
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,560
It was inevitable he was
gonna do what he was gonna do.
714
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,840
Put that aside, he was a gentleman.
715
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,800
Old school.
- In some ways, he was a kind of
716
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,560
trail-blazer in organised crime.
717
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,680
He combined intelligence,
charm and ruthlessness
718
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,040
to dominate Britain's underworld.
719
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,080
He was much smarter,
more calculating than his pupils.
720
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,000
Which made him much more
dangerous, and maybe that's why
721
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,440
when he is talked about, although it
might not be as much as the Krays,
722
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,080
he's just the godfather of the city.
723
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:58,480
? Come down off your throne
and leave your body alone
724
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,000
? Somebody must change
725
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,400
? You are the reason
I've been waiting so long
726
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,880
? Somebody holds the key
727
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,960
? Well, I'm near the end
and I just ain't got the time... ?
728
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,080
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