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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,686 I was in shock. 2 00:00:05,710 --> 00:00:09,000 I didn't view that people would want to hurt Byron at all. 3 00:00:09,130 --> 00:00:10,510 Byron griffy took care 4 00:00:10,630 --> 00:00:12,486 of a lot of funerals for my family. 5 00:00:12,510 --> 00:00:13,550 He was a good man. 6 00:00:15,180 --> 00:00:18,696 There's a darker side to Byron that people didn't know. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,366 The relationship between Tommy and Byron turned into eating 8 00:00:22,390 --> 00:00:25,496 Turkey pot pies and watching porn. 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,900 I didn't see that Tommy had any motive to do it. 10 00:00:29,020 --> 00:00:31,070 When we found out my dad was shot, 11 00:00:31,190 --> 00:00:33,400 the first person I thought of was Cory higgs. 12 00:00:37,870 --> 00:00:39,030 Cory is my son. 13 00:00:40,990 --> 00:00:43,960 Charles and Anthony's stories were falling apart. 14 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:54,220 They were the last ones to see Byron, 15 00:00:54,340 --> 00:00:56,356 so that made it a possibility. 16 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:58,526 After Byron died, they start buying boats 17 00:00:58,550 --> 00:01:00,560 and they start spending money like crazy. 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,616 They had a motive to kill my dad. 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,680 It's all about money. 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,760 I don't like to use the term "fighting for your life," 21 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:09,400 but that's what it felt like. 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,570 We were ready to make arrests, 23 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:14,570 but now we had another dead body on our hands. 24 00:01:37,930 --> 00:01:39,406 I was a police officer in Florence 25 00:01:39,430 --> 00:01:42,076 in the city manager's office... 26 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:45,246 He gets a phone call that they're calling medical 27 00:01:45,270 --> 00:01:48,666 to Charles and Anthony's house. 28 00:01:48,690 --> 00:01:50,270 So I go racing to the scene 29 00:01:51,940 --> 00:01:54,650 and I find Charles on the floor of the bathroom. 30 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:56,610 It was obvious that he was deceased. 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,136 The ambulance came 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,306 and the police covered the whole property 33 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:03,790 with caution tape. 34 00:02:03,910 --> 00:02:06,976 I remember being out on the yard, 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,130 you know, and everybody hoping, hoping, hoping 36 00:02:10,250 --> 00:02:12,170 that it was good news. 37 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:17,356 And I just remember just shaking my head, like, 38 00:02:17,380 --> 00:02:19,486 "there is no good news." 39 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:23,010 It was terribly sad. 40 00:02:26,770 --> 00:02:28,706 At that time, Charles was mayor. 41 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:30,150 And that afternoon, 42 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:32,126 I went to the city council meeting. 43 00:02:32,150 --> 00:02:35,296 And about halfway through the meeting, 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,530 the chief of police comes in. 45 00:02:37,650 --> 00:02:39,950 He said, "look, we've found Charles dead." 46 00:02:42,820 --> 00:02:44,216 I couldn't believe it. 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,870 After I got that phone call, I drove to Charles 48 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,790 and Anthony's house. I don't have any idea why. 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,516 And I sat across the street from their house. 50 00:02:54,540 --> 00:02:56,920 I just cried and cried the anger. 51 00:02:58,090 --> 00:02:59,340 Like, "how could you do this" 52 00:02:59,470 --> 00:03:01,866 "so that you didn't have to answer for my dad? 53 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:03,526 If you were going "to kill yourself today, 54 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:05,350 you could have told me last night." 55 00:03:06,470 --> 00:03:08,850 I never in a million years saw this coming. 56 00:03:09,850 --> 00:03:15,440 The fact that Charles died was just a punch in the stomach. 57 00:03:17,230 --> 00:03:20,070 We're drafting the arrest warrant for both of them 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,216 to be charged with murder at that time. 59 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,716 When Charles' death occurred, we kind of took a step back. 60 00:03:25,740 --> 00:03:27,676 It was like, "what else, you know, 61 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:29,700 are we going to see in this case?" 62 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:31,266 Well, I was at work. 63 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:34,106 Somebody called me and said, "Charles died." 64 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:38,000 I mean, I was just shocked, just stunned. 65 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:40,840 My first thought was suicide. 66 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:45,366 Some of us knew that he was being investigated for murder 67 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:46,906 of Byron griffy, 68 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:48,850 and I felt like he took the easy way out. 69 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:52,770 Charles may not have ever seen a way out. 70 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:55,730 I mean, how could you ever recover 71 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:58,070 from the mountain of lies? 72 00:03:59,650 --> 00:04:01,796 You start with the brothers. 73 00:04:01,820 --> 00:04:02,950 I mean, think about it... 74 00:04:03,070 --> 00:04:05,596 keeping up appearances, that's all they had done 75 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:07,756 since they had got to Florence. 76 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:11,226 The whole church thing, was it all just fake? 77 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:14,646 Will we ever know the truth of happened to Irene witty? 78 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:16,976 What happened to all of Byron's gold? 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,776 These were life-changing lies. Well, where's the end? 80 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,550 The end for Charles was his death. 81 00:04:25,260 --> 00:04:27,470 The last time I talked to Charles was 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,286 the day before he died. 83 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:31,616 And he told me, 84 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,940 "I'm not going to cause you any more trouble. 85 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:35,416 "We can work through this. 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,416 "We can take care of the business dealings 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,940 and do what needs to be done." 88 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:41,940 And that was pretty much it. 89 00:04:44,570 --> 00:04:48,096 I really wasn't sad about Charles passing away 90 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,120 because that was a part of my life 91 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,950 that I had already chosen to leave. 92 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:55,790 I know that sounds heartless, but... 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,356 After what I had been through, 94 00:04:57,380 --> 00:05:01,130 that was just a small hiccup in the general scheme. 95 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:05,656 Laura and I were trying to get things worked out 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,180 and figured out where we were going to go from there. 97 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:16,036 At this point in the investigation, 98 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:19,376 we brought the last person that saw Charles alive in 99 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,980 to interview him, a guy named cj young. 100 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:32,700 Ok. 101 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:13,370 As far as Charles' death, your cop brain is thinking, 102 00:06:13,490 --> 00:06:16,096 "he's guilty, so he killed himself." 103 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,870 Part of me thinks he had medications 104 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,346 and did he overdose? 105 00:06:19,370 --> 00:06:21,356 Who knows? I mean, it's all suspicious 106 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:23,186 any way you look at it. 107 00:06:23,210 --> 00:06:26,420 I didn't think that Charles was suicidal. 108 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:30,446 The police were trying to push him to crack, basically, 109 00:06:30,470 --> 00:06:33,446 for no reason. He didn't do the crime. 110 00:06:33,470 --> 00:06:35,770 The next week after Tony left, 111 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:37,786 Charles was getting everything 112 00:06:37,810 --> 00:06:40,400 set up to go forward without Tony. 113 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,746 He didn't plan to die. 114 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:44,706 I had heard from my son, Eric, 115 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:46,730 that Charles got his hair frosted, 116 00:06:46,860 --> 00:06:48,466 Charles got his ears pierced, 117 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:51,086 Charles ordered a teeth-whitening kit, 118 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:56,240 Charles called... This guy and asked him, you know, 119 00:06:56,370 --> 00:06:59,136 "where does an old queen like me 120 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,556 go to hook up these days?" 121 00:07:00,580 --> 00:07:02,580 No, I wouldn't say he committed suicide. 122 00:07:04,210 --> 00:07:06,420 I got the impression he had plans. 123 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,316 We all gonna have to answer for whatever happens, 124 00:07:12,340 --> 00:07:15,156 but if you have a good life, and all of a sudden 125 00:07:15,180 --> 00:07:17,600 it's brought to an end, it's sad. 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,480 It's very sad. 127 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,496 Look it, he was only 52. 128 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,166 He had wonderful cars, beautiful church and a mansion, 129 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:30,626 lovely mortuary... having stuff, and more stuff 130 00:07:30,650 --> 00:07:33,490 isn't the answer. Guess we found that out. 131 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:38,620 Charles' death made me stop and think, 132 00:07:38,740 --> 00:07:42,146 "did Anthony have something to do with this?" 133 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:45,330 I heard people talking about how, "that must be nice. 134 00:07:45,460 --> 00:07:47,936 Now you don't have to deal with any of that." 135 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,130 Well, it wasn't nice. I was considered a suspect. 136 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:55,366 It very clearly looks like Anthony would be the one 137 00:07:55,390 --> 00:07:56,486 that gains the most 138 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:59,996 because I know that, with Charles alive, 139 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:01,930 that was going to be a huge battle. 140 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:06,786 Tony definitely had a motive to get rid of Charles 141 00:08:06,810 --> 00:08:10,150 because everything was in Charles' name. 142 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,216 I think if Charles was still alive, 143 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,176 Tony could have ended up with nothing. 144 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,386 Tony is unassuming and you wouldn't think he's dangerous. 145 00:08:19,410 --> 00:08:22,136 But as far as Charles and Anthony's relationship, 146 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,476 Anthony was the muscle. 147 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:26,900 If there was somebody who was gonna get their hands dirty... 148 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:32,236 or bloody, it was gonna be Anthony. 149 00:08:32,260 --> 00:08:35,720 Anthony had a lot to gain from Charles dying. 150 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,576 Now Anthony could point the fingers at Charles 151 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,890 for Byron's death. 152 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:43,496 I knew that because Charles was gone, 153 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,730 Tony was now the prime suspect in the murder of Byron griffy. 154 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:51,900 It was hard to kind of look at Tony and not sit there 155 00:08:52,030 --> 00:08:54,030 and question, like, "what's going on?" 156 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:55,240 Like, "are you a murderer?" 157 00:09:06,420 --> 00:09:09,750 After Charles died, there were a lot of rumors 158 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,276 one of the rumors around town was that he'd offed himself 159 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:16,696 because he killed Byron griffy. 160 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,970 Or maybe he offed himself because Tony broke up with him. 161 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:22,640 You know, small town stories. 162 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,166 There was a lot of rumors about my brother Tommy 163 00:09:26,190 --> 00:09:28,310 with Anthony and his half brother. 164 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,126 Everybody in town calls it the love triangle. 165 00:09:31,150 --> 00:09:33,126 Supposedly, he had... 166 00:09:33,150 --> 00:09:35,876 It was a love triangle between Anthony and Charles, 167 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:37,320 Byron and my brother Tommy. 168 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,676 Yeah, it's square, but they called it 169 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:44,700 "the love triangle." Because there's four, yes. 170 00:09:44,830 --> 00:09:47,896 You know, every rumor ever just starts coming out, 171 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,686 like Charles and Anthony teaming up with linette 172 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:52,500 and Gina to kill Byron. 173 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:57,170 As a gay person myself, it's just borderline offensive 174 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:58,580 that that's what people thought. 175 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:02,390 You couldn't really talk to anyone that didn't think 176 00:10:02,510 --> 00:10:04,996 that something was up with Charles' death, 177 00:10:05,020 --> 00:10:06,560 and the only person 178 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,890 you could really look at was Anthony. 179 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:12,730 It was really easy to think that if anyone had the access, 180 00:10:12,860 --> 00:10:16,756 opportunity, and motive to tamper with his medicine, 181 00:10:16,780 --> 00:10:18,400 it would be Anthony, 182 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:20,530 and it would look like what happened. 183 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:30,750 After Charles's death, the autopsy report came back. 184 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,726 There was no poison in his system, 185 00:10:32,750 --> 00:10:35,276 and that he had died of natural causes. 186 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:38,130 It was a massive heart attack that killed Charles. 187 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,066 Under all that stress, 188 00:10:41,090 --> 00:10:43,276 your lover left you for another person. 189 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:45,746 You're probably gonna go to prison for murder. 190 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:48,850 That's a lot of stress on a guy who already had a bad heart. 191 00:10:52,730 --> 00:10:56,416 The official story is that his heart gave out. 192 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,150 If you want to romanticize it, he died of a broken heart. 193 00:11:03,070 --> 00:11:07,386 The CBI used Charles' death to be able to get warrants 194 00:11:07,410 --> 00:11:09,710 and to go search my old house. 195 00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:15,500 In the basement, they had what they called the gun room. 196 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,300 They had guns in boxes. They had them on the rack. 197 00:11:22,430 --> 00:11:23,750 They had them all over the place. 198 00:11:24,970 --> 00:11:27,470 During that search warrant in Charles' bedroom, 199 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,246 in the back of a closet, 200 00:11:30,270 --> 00:11:32,666 they found a hidden compartment. 201 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:38,780 And in that hidden compartment were several boxes of coins, 202 00:11:39,860 --> 00:11:42,570 one of which had Byron griffy's name on it. 203 00:11:45,950 --> 00:11:47,676 They were hidden. 204 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:50,450 Why weren't they turned back over to his daughter? 205 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:54,606 My dad trusted them. 206 00:11:54,630 --> 00:11:57,106 They were his friends, and they were helping him 207 00:11:57,130 --> 00:12:00,130 by making sure that his money was safe. 208 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:02,300 But they already had stolen from him. 209 00:12:03,550 --> 00:12:08,366 There's no explanation as to where my dad's money went. 210 00:12:08,390 --> 00:12:11,786 I believe that Byron probably had close to a million dollars 211 00:12:11,810 --> 00:12:15,496 in collectible stamps and coins and currency. 212 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,546 And he had a lot of gold. 213 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:22,126 Linette and Gina never saw any gold returned to them. 214 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:24,046 What happened to all the gold? 215 00:12:24,070 --> 00:12:26,200 I suspect Charles and Tony had a lot to do 216 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,780 with Byron's gold disappearing. 217 00:12:28,780 --> 00:12:32,160 Neither of us took anything of Byron's. 218 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:35,500 When the investigator came in and took a bunch of coins, 219 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:37,726 there was one that did have Byron's name on it, 220 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:40,356 but the other coins were actually my collection 221 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:46,236 they had linette griffy identify them as Byron's coins, 222 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:48,180 but they weren't... they were mine. 223 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:52,680 The coins that Byron had us store for him, 224 00:12:52,810 --> 00:12:56,876 Byron ended up selling most of it to... 225 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:59,376 Some guy out of the Springs, 226 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,400 but I wasn't even there when he came to pick it up. 227 00:13:02,530 --> 00:13:05,200 I was working on the crematory that day. 228 00:13:06,950 --> 00:13:08,530 Anthony's default position 229 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:10,846 on anything potentially criminal in this case 230 00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:13,580 was he knows nothing and saw nothing, 231 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,920 including the death of Byron griffy. 232 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,100 Charles' memorial was held at Florence high school 233 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:35,730 in the auditorium, and, you know, 234 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:38,036 it had a really huge turnout. 235 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:39,270 He was the mayor at the time. 236 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,456 They owned multiple businesses along main street. 237 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,070 They had the church, 238 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:46,240 and so most of the town was there. 239 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,240 I stayed away from Charles's funeral, 240 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:56,266 just because I didn't want it turning into a circus. 241 00:13:56,290 --> 00:13:57,960 I knew there was gonna be police there. 242 00:14:00,710 --> 00:14:02,726 One of the church members was speaking to everyone, 243 00:14:02,750 --> 00:14:05,800 and he said, "Charles's brother must just be so upset 244 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,300 that he couldn't make it, and our hearts are with him." 245 00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:12,656 And me just shaking my head in disbelief 246 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,446 in that the entire town is in this room 247 00:14:15,470 --> 00:14:17,770 and they all believe something that's not true. 248 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:21,376 Some of the members of the community 249 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,820 wanted to put a statue up of him out by city hall. 250 00:14:24,940 --> 00:14:26,626 And it's like, "well, wait a few weeks." 251 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:28,126 "You might see his face on the front page 252 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:29,450 for something else." 253 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:35,466 Charles was very good at telling stories, 254 00:14:35,490 --> 00:14:38,436 and no one really thought to question him. 255 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:40,936 Charles once told me about his ex-wife 256 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,000 and the two kids that he had. 257 00:14:43,130 --> 00:14:45,856 And it was just like these grand stories. 258 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,300 So you would get sucked into them, 259 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:51,140 but they were always a little unbelievable. 260 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:54,310 The son, he said, was in the air force, 261 00:14:54,430 --> 00:14:55,810 a pilot or something. 262 00:14:56,970 --> 00:14:59,866 And then the daughter was a scientist. 263 00:14:59,890 --> 00:15:02,786 Charles would pretend that he was talking to one of them 264 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:06,376 or that he just got off the phone with one of them. 265 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,006 We always believed the story about Charles having 266 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:11,860 two children, and one in the air force. 267 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,540 But... it was a lie, a huge lie. 268 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:29,186 Our view was that Charles had been 269 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:30,840 the mastermind of all of it, 270 00:15:30,970 --> 00:15:33,486 and that when his death occurred, 271 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:37,486 my entire focus became "how to prosecute this crime." 272 00:15:37,510 --> 00:15:40,996 We had to reevaluate if we had enough evidence to charge 273 00:15:41,020 --> 00:15:43,770 just Anthony in the death of Byron griffy. 274 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:03,960 After Charles died, 275 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,566 I was just trying to survive, pretty much. 276 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:10,436 Still trying to run the businesses. 277 00:16:10,460 --> 00:16:14,316 But the last two payrolls, I had to cover myself 278 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:15,970 out of my own pocket. 279 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:19,496 And that's when I decided to close the funeral home. 280 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,360 I don't know, it just didn't seem like a place 281 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:24,626 I wanted to be anymore. 282 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,650 I found the person that I believe I was meant to be with 283 00:16:27,770 --> 00:16:29,400 for the rest of my life. 284 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:33,490 Charles and Anthony kept that relationship a secret 285 00:16:33,610 --> 00:16:34,780 for over 20 years. 286 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,620 I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty devastated. 287 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:42,160 And I wasn't devastated about the type of relationship. 288 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:44,846 It was the fact that it was a lie. 289 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:47,670 Then I thought, "would my life be better 290 00:16:47,790 --> 00:16:49,290 with him or without him?" 291 00:16:50,380 --> 00:16:53,550 And there was no... There was no delay. 292 00:16:55,470 --> 00:16:58,326 Anthony and my mom rushed to get married. 293 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:01,286 My mom had me be her wedding photographer. 294 00:17:01,310 --> 00:17:03,616 From their point of view, a murder investigation 295 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,326 was a side thing that was like, 296 00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:07,810 "don't worry about this... Murder." 297 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,296 They didn't have squat for evidence. 298 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,296 I kept thinking, 299 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,046 "did the cops come up with something else? 300 00:17:14,070 --> 00:17:15,200 Is there something else?" 301 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,820 And there never was any... anything else that I heard. 302 00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:25,830 Charles' death made us reanalyze everything. 303 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,170 So, there was a significant delay before we ultimately 304 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:30,290 filed the charges. 305 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:39,600 I got a call from chief of police from Florence. 306 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,720 And he told me, we've got your coins here, 307 00:17:43,850 --> 00:17:46,916 if you can come down and pick them up. 308 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:48,520 So I get in the car, 309 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:50,900 I go down, and that's when I was arrested. 310 00:18:01,370 --> 00:18:04,426 It was all a setup just to get me to come in. 311 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:18,166 Once we knew Anthony was going on trial, 312 00:19:18,190 --> 00:19:20,150 he very quickly started liquidating 313 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,256 anything that he could, and with the help of my mom, 314 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,830 trying to get enough money to pay for his defense. 315 00:19:27,290 --> 00:19:29,176 First attorney I had said, 316 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,670 "people always ask, how much does it cost 317 00:19:31,790 --> 00:19:34,816 to defend against a charge of first-degree murder?" 318 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,526 And he said, "everything." 319 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:38,130 And he wasn't kidding. 320 00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:43,510 Everything started getting sold to try and pay attorney's fees. 321 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,180 All of the vehicles. 322 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,310 It was everything. 323 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,046 I have been a criminal defense investigator 324 00:19:58,070 --> 00:20:00,546 for about 45 years. 325 00:20:00,570 --> 00:20:03,796 Lawyers representing people charged 326 00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:07,780 hire me to investigate the case for the defense. 327 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,870 I've met with thousands of clients, 328 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,516 and some of them would just flat say, 329 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:18,026 "you know, I did it, and it's your job 330 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:21,396 to help me get off." 331 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:23,010 But that wasn't Anthony. 332 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:27,890 Anthony was, "they're wrong. We didn't do it." 333 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:31,656 And he was determined to be found innocent 334 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,810 of something he kept maintaining that he didn't do. 335 00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:39,110 The case against Anthony was circumstantial. 336 00:20:40,110 --> 00:20:42,690 Juries like meat. 337 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:46,176 They want to be able to find DNA at the scene, 338 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,596 fingerprints, hair fibers, 339 00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:51,096 something to put the suspect there. 340 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,846 And, in this case, there was no such evidence. 341 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:57,380 Everything in my mind pointed to Charles and Anthony 342 00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:58,686 as committing the crime. 343 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:00,856 The fact that they're there at the farm, 344 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,526 easy access to a weapon, he had motive. 345 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:06,696 I believed I was gonna be able to meet that obligation 346 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,510 of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. 347 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:14,560 Anytime somebody's charged with a crime, 348 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:18,086 the defense attorneys have an obligation 349 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,536 to investigate. 350 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,256 So I spent a good five months trying to contact witnesses, 351 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:31,290 going through police reports, documents, photographs, videos. 352 00:21:31,410 --> 00:21:36,120 And finally, I stumble into a 911 call 353 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:38,750 made by a fella named Rob... 354 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,750 A few months after the murder. 355 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,796 He basically said, "I have information 356 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:10,700 that Tommy tomlin is involved in Byron's murder." 357 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:34,310 We knew Rob could change everything. 358 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:38,810 So, of course, I want to find Rob, 359 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,450 A few months after Byron's death, 360 00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:57,926 a fella named Rob called the 911 operator and said, 361 00:22:57,950 --> 00:23:02,186 "I have information that Tommy tomlin is involved 362 00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:06,710 in Byron's murder and that he told me he was." 363 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:12,526 So I, of course, had been looking for Rob. 364 00:23:12,550 --> 00:23:17,180 And as it turned out, Rob died about a year 365 00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:19,520 before I was able to try to interview him. 366 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,126 And I couldn't go into any more detail than what appeared 367 00:23:23,150 --> 00:23:25,360 in the police reports. 368 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,166 Those reports were just handwritten notes. 369 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:31,530 The deputy that took the statement from him, 370 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:34,006 he said he didn't pay attention to it 371 00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:37,846 and didn't take it serious because he was just a drunk. 372 00:23:37,870 --> 00:23:40,886 I needed to do everything I possibly could do 373 00:23:40,910 --> 00:23:44,380 to prove Anthony's innocence. 374 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:47,460 And that was hard to do. 375 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,590 There was also a confidential informant 376 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:57,680 who said that Byron wanted him to kill Cory. 377 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,850 Cory was Byron's grandson. 378 00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:05,860 So there's some evidence that Byron 379 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:07,520 was talking to a hit man. 380 00:24:08,650 --> 00:24:12,676 Byron was extremely depressed. 381 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:18,160 Did Byron talk that fella into helping him commit suicide, 382 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,040 knowing that he was willing to kill? 383 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,896 But that confidential informant also died 384 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,750 before I was able to contact him. 385 00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:33,696 Early on, the investigators were trying 386 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,760 to determine if this was an assisted suicide 387 00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:40,286 because there was no evidence of Byron griffy fighting 388 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:43,140 and no evidence of him attempting to get away. 389 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:48,296 I don't think there's any way at all my dad 390 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,126 would have ever been suicidal. 391 00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:53,650 He was a mortician long enough to know what... 392 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:58,030 That did to families. He'd have never done that. 393 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,920 As a prosecutor, our obligation is that we do 394 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:13,396 not bring a case to trial that we don't have a belief 395 00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:14,736 that we're going to be able to prove 396 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,300 beyond reasonable doubt. 397 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:18,576 And I believed I had the evidence. 398 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,076 The stakes were pretty high. 399 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,996 I don't like to use the term "fighting for your life," 400 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:25,230 but that's what it felt like. 401 00:25:27,770 --> 00:25:31,416 The defense team had two alternate suspects, 402 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,676 Tommy tomlin and Cory, Gina's son. 403 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,846 There were other suspects, but none of them ever Rose 404 00:25:39,870 --> 00:25:42,306 to the level that would show us that they were 405 00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:44,960 a valid alternate suspect. 406 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Throughout the course of the day that the homicide took place, 407 00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:50,130 Tommy was always with someone, from the start to finish. 408 00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:53,300 That removed him as a suspect in our eyes. 409 00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:57,196 We didn't think Cory had the ability to do it, 410 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:59,946 and there was no evidence whatsoever that indicated 411 00:25:59,970 --> 00:26:02,010 that he was there. 412 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:05,826 The judge allowed us to kind of talk about them 413 00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:09,786 in closed chambers without the jury present, 414 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:13,480 but then wouldn't allow us to use it in court. 415 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,160 There was a significant amount of circumstantial evidence 416 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,910 that pointed toward Charles giebler and Anthony Wright. 417 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:27,476 They were at the scene of the crime during the time 418 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:29,370 the crime occurred. 419 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,010 We have inconsistencies in the car that they drove. 420 00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:57,690 When they're both confronted with it, 421 00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:59,740 the response is exactly the same. 422 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:06,886 You know, after the fact, they realized, 423 00:27:06,910 --> 00:27:08,596 "we made a mistake in our statements, 424 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:11,436 "so let's both get back on the same page 425 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:13,016 and have the same response. 426 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,380 And a lot of the details just doesn't make sense. 427 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,956 Charles and Anthony had been to the farm plenty of times, 428 00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:34,110 and for them to say, "the gate was locked", 429 00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:36,416 "whatever," I don't buy it. 430 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,400 Charles and Anthony drove an hour 431 00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:42,426 to get their good friend to take him for a birthday lunch. 432 00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:46,596 They didn't drive around to the other gate 433 00:27:46,620 --> 00:27:48,830 or even walk up to the house. 434 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:54,630 There was almost an entire hour that was unaccounted for. 435 00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:10,100 Either one could say 436 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:12,980 where they were for that hour that was lost. 437 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,610 So it gave us more indication 438 00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:17,820 that they were hiding something from us. 439 00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:38,606 I know that I was at the farm twice before, 440 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:40,510 maybe three times. 441 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:42,310 But I'd only been there a couple of times. 442 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,090 I'd never actually been in the house before. 443 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,310 There's layer after layer after layer of lie and deceit. 444 00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:55,536 You start with the brothers, 445 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,940 and then you go all the way down to the death of Charles 446 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,900 and everything in between. 447 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,056 As we dug into Charles and Anthony's past, 448 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,306 we found that they had been crime scene cleaners 449 00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:17,806 for the Utah coroner's office. 450 00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:20,066 They had the knowledge 451 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:23,050 and the know-how to clean a crime scene 452 00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:26,470 so that there wouldn't be any evidence left behind. 453 00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:30,326 These were individuals 454 00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:33,576 who were comfortable around death. 455 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,166 I suspect that they were gloved up with latex gloves, 456 00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:41,360 and there was a real attempt to avoid fingerprints and DNA. 457 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,690 My gut feeling was there had to be 458 00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:45,400 more than one person involved. 459 00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:50,740 When somebody dies, that is dead weight. 460 00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:54,080 So that dead weight becomes a very difficult thing to move. 461 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,726 But if somebody moved him, you could find some drag marks. 462 00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:59,356 There was none of those. 463 00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:01,380 So it looked like several people 464 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,300 moved him to that final resting position. 465 00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:08,050 Those all made us to the conclusion that it was 466 00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:10,600 Charles giebler and Anthony Wright. 467 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,390 But did Tony kill Byron? 468 00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:15,430 I always thought he did. 469 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,246 Charles had it in him to order Tony to do it. 470 00:30:19,270 --> 00:30:21,590 But I'm not sure if Charles would have pulled the trigger. 471 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,900 Tony was more cold and calculated. 472 00:30:30,410 --> 00:30:33,216 Not once during the trials or anything did Anthony 473 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,700 ever say, "I didn't do it." 474 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:39,250 Like, if you were innocent, 475 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:42,960 you would plead at some point and say, "I did not do this." 476 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:48,776 The trial, I mean, it was an agonizing couple of weeks. 477 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,156 The jury goes in to deliberate. 478 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:52,970 And that was the first time it really hit me 479 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:56,350 that that's what I was facing, was life in prison. 480 00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:06,506 The jury in Anthony's trial, they were out two days, 481 00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:08,440 very, very stressful. 482 00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:15,830 I'm looking at real punishment if I'm found guilty. 483 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,516 They're gonna send me to prison for life. 484 00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:23,646 We were all there, the whole family. 485 00:31:23,670 --> 00:31:29,010 I was confident that Anthony was gonna be convicted. 486 00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:31,470 Anthony's just sweating it. 487 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,350 Nervous, of course. So the jury comes back. 488 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,980 It was a hung jury, and I was extremely upset. 489 00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:51,336 They "hung," meaning the jury couldn't make 490 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,660 an unanimous decision. 491 00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:58,726 Everybody sat there completely dumbfounded. 492 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:01,870 When they came back as a hung jury, 493 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,226 I didn't know how the system worked. 494 00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:06,476 I'm thinking, "sweet, it's over. I'm going home." 495 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:07,670 Nope. 496 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,170 The district attorney right away stated 497 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:12,880 that he was gonna try it again. 498 00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:16,076 You just don't know what to even think at that point. 499 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,010 It was very traumatizing. 500 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:22,520 "Bottom line, man, you're gonna have to get another couple 501 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,336 "hundred thousand dollars together to defend yourself 502 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,536 the next time." 503 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,570 I was ready... 504 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,240 For another trial, but the attorney kept telling me, 505 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,546 "if you have to go back after a mistrial, 506 00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:39,120 it very rarely goes in the defendant's favor." 507 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:43,516 Tony was just burned out. He was tired. 508 00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:44,750 He was exhausted. 509 00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:48,066 He was just like, "I can't keep doing this." 510 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:52,276 And then the head da there, for whatever reason, 511 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:57,970 offers Anthony a plea bargain. 512 00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:03,036 We made the decision that we had to get 513 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:04,706 any conviction we can. 514 00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:10,570 And my primary goal in doing that was to have Anthony Wright 515 00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:13,700 make a statement that says, "yes, I'm responsible." 516 00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:17,570 Conspiracy to commit murder. 517 00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:19,910 Didn't require jail time, 518 00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:23,620 but it would be a few years of probation. 519 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:26,436 Anthony didn't want to do it. 520 00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:30,920 The attorneys and myself basically started begging him 521 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,970 to take the plea offer. 522 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:36,630 I mean, I used to say, "no way I'd plead guilty 523 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,140 to something I didn't do." 524 00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:41,236 Well, you're not looking down the barrel of 25 to life. 525 00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:42,826 It's real. 526 00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:45,270 I wasn't giving up by any means, 527 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,520 but I didn't see a way out. I just had to take the plea. 528 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,596 My thoughts of Anthony taking a plea deal was, 529 00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:04,450 what did he pay the da? 530 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:07,080 That's truly what I think. 531 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:10,306 You take somebody's life and you get, what? 532 00:34:10,330 --> 00:34:12,606 Ten years of probation? 533 00:34:12,630 --> 00:34:13,960 I was sick to my stomach. 534 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:16,970 How could something like that happen? 535 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:21,300 Take a person's life and it really has no value. 536 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,706 All of justice costs money. 537 00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:32,206 You want to prove yourself innocent over something? 538 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:35,466 You could lose everything. And where would it get you? 539 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:39,860 So sometimes you take... The easy way... 540 00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:42,006 admit to something, get it over with, 541 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:43,346 and put it behind you. 542 00:34:43,370 --> 00:34:44,740 Only god knows. 543 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:50,856 We all wrote letters to the judge. 544 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,880 And he said, "you've agreed to the plea bargain." 545 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,146 And I said, "we didn't agree to the plea bargain." 546 00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:57,590 Bullock agreed to that plea bargain. 547 00:34:59,050 --> 00:35:04,510 The district attorney, James bullock, screwed us over. 548 00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:08,850 I don't think that Anthony is innocent. 549 00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:10,650 I don't think Charles was innocent. 550 00:35:12,690 --> 00:35:15,336 Do I want to really ask Anthony anything? 551 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,860 I would like an answer. 552 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:21,046 I would like him to just... 553 00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:23,780 Fess up, be a man, tell me he did it, and why. 554 00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:27,500 He's too much of a coward, though. 555 00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:31,396 I guess that's why they shot him in the back of the head, 556 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:32,710 and that's why he won't tell me. 557 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:49,246 I... absolutely 100%, 558 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:52,706 without question, did not kill Byron griffy, 559 00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:54,610 and Charles did not either. 560 00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:58,966 I didn't do it. I don't know who did it. 561 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:02,740 I have an idea who I think might have. 562 00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:08,136 The suspects that I believe possibly had a part in. 563 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,580 Byron's murder were Tommy tomlin, Cory higgs, 564 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:17,250 and Byron's daughter, linette. 565 00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:21,970 The biggest motive linette had was financial reasons. 566 00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:25,640 Byron told me he was tired of just having to continually 567 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,656 support her and put money out for every little whim, 568 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,730 and he was talking about just not doing that anymore. 569 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,086 We did not hear any stories at all of Byron griffy 570 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:38,916 cutting her off in any way. 571 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:42,756 She was at work all day the day that Byron was murdered. 572 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,426 Linette had an airtight alibi 573 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:48,030 unlike Charles giebler and Anthony Wright. 574 00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:59,856 Here are the facts. 575 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,300 Charles and Anthony had hundreds of thousands, 576 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:04,680 close to a million dollars worth of this guy's money. 577 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,140 Yes, other people had reason 578 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:10,366 to do something terrible to Byron. 579 00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:11,850 Can't argue that. 580 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:17,610 But the people who gained the most financially, 581 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:20,440 it was them. 582 00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:27,386 It was all about lies and greed and deceit. 583 00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:31,200 And I'm not sure if we'll ever know really the full truth, 584 00:37:31,330 --> 00:37:32,910 the full extent of it. 585 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:39,130 There's one person that knows the truth 100%. 586 00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:42,800 That's Anthony Wright. 587 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:48,196 I don't suppose that we can ever trust 588 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:50,720 a damn thing that he says. 589 00:37:50,850 --> 00:37:53,520 How could you really trust anything that he says 590 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,810 at this point? 591 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:21,566 Having Laura there gave me something to focus on, 592 00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:24,356 trying to start our life together. 593 00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:27,880 You know, it's a good distraction, still is. 594 00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:32,616 That's sage from the lake pueblo. 595 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,906 That doesn't even smell like sage anymore. 596 00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:35,930 There it is. 597 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,626 So this summer, it'll be 12 years 598 00:38:41,650 --> 00:38:43,150 that Tony and I have been married. 599 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,046 So, I mean, Anthony and I, all we ever, ever wanted 600 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:50,256 was to be together. That was it. 601 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,136 We just wanted to be together. And we are. 602 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,330 And we always will be. 603 00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:57,580 I said this at the very beginning, 604 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,960 'cause, you know, right away the attorneys are like, 605 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,920 "well, we got paid and you didn't go to prison, 606 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,396 so all's good." 607 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:08,236 Yes, he gets to walk around and have a job and, 608 00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:11,406 you know, kiss me goodnight every night or whatever. 609 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:13,800 I said, "but do not think for a minute 610 00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:16,270 that this was some kind of damn gift." 611 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:19,076 This is not a "best-case scenario." 612 00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:20,310 Give me a break. 613 00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:27,296 I don't know that there'll ever be closure 614 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,690 because we didn't get justice. 615 00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:34,910 Anthony gets to walk around and do whatever he wants to do. 616 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,846 I would have really liked for my dad to get justice. 617 00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:41,500 There was no justice. 618 00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:45,776 It doesn't matter that it's 12 years later. 619 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,880 It hurts just as bad today. 620 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,196 I'd do anything I could to prove my innocence. 621 00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:56,826 But, you know, everybody's gonna think... 622 00:39:56,850 --> 00:39:57,850 Something different. 623 00:39:57,970 --> 00:40:00,980 I struggle a lot still with, "is Anthony innocent 624 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:02,286 or is he guilty?" 625 00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:03,956 We're a decade later 626 00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:06,456 and we just have questions and some things 627 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,126 that probably will never be able to be answered 628 00:40:09,150 --> 00:40:10,530 because it's too late. 629 00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:13,636 Who killed Byron? 630 00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:17,176 I'm convinced Anthony didn't, but there's... 631 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,016 No evidence, and probably never will be 632 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,670 unless somebody makes a deathbed statement 633 00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:27,170 declaring that they did it. 634 00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:30,146 There's so many rabbit holes in this case to chase down 635 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:32,856 that I suspect if we were to reopen the case, 636 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,366 there's additional evidence 637 00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:35,776 that we would find that would just be more 638 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,236 than we could deal with. 639 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:40,020 I'd like to say that the moral of this story is don't trust 640 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:41,786 somebody who says that they're your friend, 641 00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:43,640 but then what kind of life do you have? 642 00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:47,246 Like, I'm still gonna trust and I'm still gonna be giving 643 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:49,206 and loving and caring 644 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:51,030 because that's what my dad would have wanted. 645 00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:54,676 A lot of this could have been avoided 646 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,740 if people could just be themselves and tell the truth. 647 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,250 Truth is the thing that everyone seeks. 648 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:05,896 It's hard to come by. 649 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,606 Just be honest. 650 00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:09,340 Say what happened or what didn't happen. 651 00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:13,396 Because someday they're going to have to answer 652 00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:15,776 to their maker for whatever they did. 653 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,720 Both you and I, we're going to have to answer 654 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:20,600 for our misdeeds and our mistakes. 655 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,140 One day, they will too. 48743

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