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Tonight, the legendary death of John
Dillinger, public enemy number one.
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The feds told the world they killed the
infamous bank robber. They gunned him
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down in public right outside a very
crowded biograph theater.
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Dillinger was a folk hero. Upon his
death, thousands of people came to view
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body and even mourn at his funeral.
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But was the corpse in Chicago's Cook
County morgue truly John Dillinger?
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His dad looked at the body and said,
that's not my boy.
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Even at the funeral, there were whispers
that this was not John Dillinger in
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that coffin. John Dillinger was an
escape artist, and some say he pulled
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ultimate escape.
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Now, we'll explore the top theories
surrounding the demise of one of
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most infamous gangsters.
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Did Dillinger set up a path scene to
take the fall?
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After he was supposed to be dead, people
claimed they saw Dillinger in several
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different states.
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Did the FBI really kill John Dillinger?
And if they didn't, where did he go?
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On his 31st birthday, June 22nd, 1934,
John Dillinger is named America's
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very first public enemy number one.
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Dillinger and his gang commit some 24
bank robberies across the Midwest, while
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stealing as much as $7 million in
today's currency.
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In the throes of the Great Depression,
Dillinger's daring crimes make him a
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to millions of Americans.
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who blame banks for their struggles.
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In October 1933,
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Dillinger and some associates rob a bank
in Greencastle, Indiana.
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As the story goes, there is near the
bank teller a farmer who is just
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that these armed men have just stormed
the bank.
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Had some cash sitting on the counter,
and Dillinger said to the farmer, is
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your money or the bank's? And the farmer
said, it's mine.
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And Dillinger said, keep it.
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We only want the banks.
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So those seven words were what made him
into the anti -hero Robin
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Hood and kind of somebody who really got
the attention of the entire country.
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For Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who is
newly elected, this could be a
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huge problem.
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Hardcore criminals who are robbing banks
with guns are considered folk heroes.
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And FDR instructs J. Edgar Hoover to put
a stop to it.
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I repeat that this is a time when law
enforcement must fight for its right to
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conquer the criminal world.
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At this point, the Bureau is only about
25 years old. It's relatively young.
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And its powers are somewhat limited. Its
agents can't carry guns.
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At this point, they're not really
empowered to make arrests.
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And most significantly, they are only
allowed to punish federal crimes.
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State crime falls within the
jurisdiction of the states. Hoover would
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to have done something about it. Doing
something about it would be great for
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own reputation and the reputation of his
Division of Investigation. But yeah,
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there is no federal law that Dillinger
has broken in 1933.
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Then, in 1934, after killing a police
officer during a bank robbery in East
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Chicago, Indiana, John Dillinger's gang
flees to a hotel in Tucson, Arizona.
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When a random fire breaks out,
firefighters find Dillinger's stash of
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bulletproof vests, and $25 ,000 in cash
stolen from the East Chicago robbery.
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Within days, Dillinger is captured by
local police and arrested.
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There are a number of states that want
him extradited. And Indiana wins because
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it is in Indiana that Dillinger shoots a
police officer.
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Dillinger is sent to Lake County Jail in
Crown Point, Indiana, which is,
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according to many, escape proof.
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On March 3, 1934, after less than three
months in jail, Dillinger escaped.
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using a fake pistol.
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Dillinger carved a fake gun either out
of potato, a bar of soap, or a piece of
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wood that he blackened with shoe polish.
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There are also some who believe that it
was a real gun.
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For a prisoner to use a fake gun has led
to a number of alternative theories.
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One is that he might have, in fact,
bribed the guards.
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Dillinger's prison break.
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gives J. Edgar Hoover the opportunity
he's been looking for.
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After his escape, he steals the
sheriff's car.
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And by stealing the sheriff's car and
going across state lines, that is a
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federal crime.
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Now J. Edgar Hoover has the authority
and the jurisdiction to stick his
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agent on John Dillinger.
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Six weeks after Dillinger's prison
escape...
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Hoover's agent in charge, Melvin Purvis,
is at the Bureau's Chicago office when
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he gets a call from a tipster.
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According to FBI records, the tipster is
a relative of Emil Winotka, who's the
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proprietor of a vacation lodge in
northern Wisconsin called The Little
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And the tip is an exciting one. It
suggests that Dillinger and some of his
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associates are holed up there.
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Melvin Purvis calls in agents from all
over, and they descend on this lodge
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after dark, and they wait for Dillinger.
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But the takedown doesn't go as planned.
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When three men emerge from the lodge and
get into a car, the agents open fire,
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killing one man and wounding his two
companions.
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There is this barrage of guns.
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Only in its aftermath does Purvis
realize that they have made a terrible
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mistake.
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All of this confusion is going on, and
then they find out that the three men
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that were shot, one of whom died, had
nothing to do with the gang. They were
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just three innocent guests who were
staying at the lodge.
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At this point...
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Dillinger and all his men know that
something's going on outside, and
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pretty much goes out the windows and out
the back door, and not a single one of
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them were caught. None of them were
killed. None of them were wounded, even.
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bad press from this little Bohemia
incident was yet another black eye to J.
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Edgar Hoover.
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He and Melvin Purvis are both in danger
of losing their jobs, and it is really
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from that point on that the order
regarding John Dillinger is shoot to
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It was necessary for local law
enforcement officers somewhere in the
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States to each day, every day of the
year, protect their own lives by
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to kill.
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Three months after the Little Bohemia
disaster, Agent Purvis and his men chase
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man they claim is Dillinger into an
alley next to the Biograph Theater in
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Chicago and shoot him dead.
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Word quickly spread.
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It's Dillinger. The public was
enthralled by the idea. They rushed to
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crowded into what should have been a
crime scene. And as they're loading the
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body up into a police wagon, there is a
puddle of blood left in the alleyway.
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Right there on the bricks, everybody can
see it. So everyone starts rushing in
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with whatever they've got,
handkerchiefs, shirt sleeves, anything
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dipping it in the blood so they can take
home a souvenir.
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The body is publicly displayed in
Chicago.
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Over 15 ,000 curious spectators come to
see the outlaw's body.
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People flooded down to the Cook County
Hospital. They were peering in the
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window, shouting. People were trying to
sell tickets.
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They just wanted to be part of history.
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The story shared by J. Edgar Hoover and
the Bureau is the most commonly accepted
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one. That the man killed outside the
biograph was John Dillinger.
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But just how did federal agents know
where to find Dillinger?
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The generally accepted explanation is
one offered by Hoover himself.
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It starts with a Chicago madam named
Anna Sage.
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Anna Sage is running a couple of
brothels in the area.
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She is an immigrant to the United States
from Romania. She was a lady of the
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evening. facing possible deportation.
And so what better way to get in the
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graces of the police department and the
Bureau of Investigation than to give up
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public enemy number one?
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She has a friend on the East Chicago
Police Force, a Martin Zarkovich, who
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ultimately then connects her with the
Bureau of Investigation.
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On or around July 19th, Sage meets with
Purvis.
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When I learned he was Dillinger, I knew
he had been killing without mercy.
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So I went to a policeman I knew, and he
arranged a conference with a government
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agent. She tells Purvis that Dillinger
has been hanging out with a woman she
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knows named Polly Hamilton.
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So Anna Sage says, okay, he's going to
be at the Biograph Theater this
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particular night with me, with Polly.
What I'm going to do is I'm going to
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an orange dress so that you can see me
in the crowd.
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Well, Purvis, of course, you know, this
is almost too good to be true. And so
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then on the night of July 22nd, Anna
Sage, Polly Hamilton, they show up at
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Biograph Theater with John Dillinger.
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Purvis and his agent, along with a
couple of East Chicago cops, go to the
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Biograph Theater to apprehend or execute
John Dillinger.
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Purvis is stationed outside of Sinema so
that when Sage...
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and Pauly and Dillinger emerge, he
lights a cigar.
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This is the signal to his men that it's
Dillinger and they're to take him down.
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Now, according to Melvin Purvis, he
shouted out, stop there, Johnny, we've
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you surrounded.
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Then Dillinger reaches into his pocket,
grabs a gun, begins running down the
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street, gets to the mouth of the alley
where he is shot to death by unnamed
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federal agents.
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and dies there in the alleyway. The body
is brought to the Cook County Morgue,
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where pathologist Jerome J. Kearns
identifies it in his autopsy report as
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Dillinger.
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The coroner declares, yes, this is the
body of John Dillinger, which is, of
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course, a huge victory for J. Edgar
Hoover, who had just had a series of
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failures prior to this, and it launches
Melvin Purvis.
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into celebrity status dillinger is
packed up sent to indiana where his
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has come to claim the body as more and
more things started to come out
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started to be asked about the official
story according to some who were on hand
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his father originally said that's not my
son
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His sister, Audrey, said something
similar, but then they turned his body
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and there was a scar on the back of his
thigh that she said, oh, that is him,
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because when they were kids, he gashed
his leg open on barbed wire.
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Similar to events in Chicago, crowds
flock to Dillinger's viewing in Indiana
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see his embalmed corpse before it's
interred.
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The funeral home is overwhelmed by
curious onlookers.
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There were even offers to the father of
up to $10 ,000 to publicly display John
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Dillinger's body.
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And that was one thing that John
Dillinger's father did not want to do.
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At this point, there was a real threat
of grave robbery.
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And so they encased his coffin in cement
to prevent such a thing from ever
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transpiring. However, not everyone
believes that John Dillinger is the
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that is lying in that grave.
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Three days after the killing at the
Biograph Theater, the body of the man
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down by federal agents is buried at
Crown Hill Cemetery in Mooresville,
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We know that the shooting of John
Dillinger happened a little after 10 p
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and we know that there was an autopsy in
Chicago.
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Once the family was able to get the
body, now they had to drive six hours to
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Indiana for what ultimately became a
wake.
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A viewing and a burial.
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All of this happened in less than 48
hours.
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What was the rush?
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They got that body in the ground in an
awful hurry. And the suspicion then is
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that maybe they did that because they
knew that the body did not belong to
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Dillinger.
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Before the burial, the viewing is held
at the Harvey Funeral Home in
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hometown of Mooresville.
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As family members and mourners file past
the deceased, whispers begin that the
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man in the coffin isn't John Dillinger.
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A barber in Indiana who claims to be
familiar with Dillinger has cut his
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looks at the corpse and says, no, that's
not him because Dillinger's hair was
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not that dark.
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And then this leads to other claims
about the proportions of the body.
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According to an author named J. Robert
Nash, in a book called The Dillinger
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Dossier, John Dillinger's father goes to
buy him a suit for his funeral. But
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once the suit was put on him, it was
completely the wrong size. They say that
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the sleeves obliterated the hands.
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It was also reported that the body's
fingerprints didn't match Dillinger's
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fingerprints that were in a police file.
And one of the ears?
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was a little bit off as well. According
to this theory, the other big issue was
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that John was missing his right incisor
tooth, but the corpse wasn't.
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It was reported that on the scene, when
Melvin Purvis first turns over the body,
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he says out loud, this doesn't look like
Dillinger.
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Then realizing that there are a lot of
spectators around that heard him, he
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rather loudly says, ah, yes, that's a
great bit of plastic surgery, that. And
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some people say John Dillinger, along
with a lot of other gangsters from this
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era, did frequently undergo plastic
surgery.
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A doctor named Wilhelm Lozier even
claims he helped Dillinger change his
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appearance. The person who allegedly had
performed the plastic surgery on John
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Dillinger was Dr. Lozier, and he had
been connected with... crime groups for
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number of years.
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Dr. Wilhelm Lozier practiced in Chicago
for nearly three decades before being
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convicted in 1931 for dealing in illegal
narcotics.
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He was paroled from prison in December
of 1932.
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Less than two years later, he claims he
is summoned to work on Dillinger.
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Lozier confesses to having performed
plastic surgery on Dillinger between May
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28th and June 5th. He admitted to the
fact that over several months that he
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worked on Dillinger, especially his
facial appearance, but even using acid
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alter his fingerprints. He had moles
removed.
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He had scars fixed. He had the cleft in
his chin, which was one of his most
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distinguishing features.
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The cleft was filled in.
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The official autopsy report, written by
Dr. Jerome Kern, raises even more
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questions about the man killed at the
Biograph Theater.
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In his report... Dr. Kearns notes that
Dillinger's eyes were brown.
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Now, this contradicts Dillinger's naval
records, which lift his eyes as blue,
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and wanted posters for Dillinger, which
described his eyes as being gray.
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The autopsy revealed that he had a heart
problem, but...
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Dillinger was an athletic guy.
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John Dillinger played on the semi -pro
team when he was at the penitentiary in
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Michigan City. And even the governor of
Indiana remarked about what a great
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player he was at shortstop.
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He was very athletic. Look at the bank
robberies that he committed, the jumping
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over the counters and the running and
the getting into cars.
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And these are all things that whoever
this dead man was could not have done.
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Is it possible?
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That someone else was killed in place of
Dillinger?
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According to Nash, there is another man
named Jimmy Lawrence living in Chicago
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at the same time as Dillinger. He is a
small -time crook. He had moved there
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from Wisconsin.
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He does have a striking resemblance to
John Dillinger, and he also has a heart
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condition identical to the one that is
noted on the autopsy report.
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According to author and investigator J.
Robert Nash, Jimmy Lawrence becomes key
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to Dillinger's plan to outfox the FBI.
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It was after Little Bohemian.
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Dillinger is seriously thinking about
getting away.
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One of Dillinger's last associates, a
guy named James Blackie Audet, he says
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that John Dillinger paid a man named
Jimmy Lawrence thousands of dollars to
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convince... Polly Hamilton and Anna
Sage, that he was, in fact, the infamous
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outlaw, John Dillinger.
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According to Blackie Audet, it is not
Dillinger, but Lawrence, who ends up
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accompanying Sage and Hamilton to the
Biograph Theater, and who ends up shot
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dead in the alley outside.
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After Dillinger is supposedly killed,
then this Jimmy Lawrence disappears.
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It's never heard from again.
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But that...
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In theory, it requires us to answer
other questions.
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Chief among them, what happened to the
real John Dillinger?
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Despite the FBI's certainty that their
agents killed John Dillinger outside the
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Biograph Theater on the night of July
22, 1934, some, like author J. Robert
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Nash, insist the dead man wasn't
actually Dillinger.
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Instead, the outlaw had a plan.
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to fool the fbi and he had help nash
claims that dillinger knew the agents
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had an order to shoot to kill he also
knew that hoover wasn't going to give
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the chance to embarrass the bureau again
in order for john dillinger to
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successfully create this plan he
absolutely would need the help of local
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enforcement. And many people know
exactly who that individual would be.
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the individual who put Anna Sage in
contact with Melvin Purvis, a known
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entity on the East Chicago Police Force
named Martin Zarkovic.
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East Chicago is in Lake County, Indiana,
about 25 miles south of Chicago along
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the lake.
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It is an industrial town with fights
like prostitution and gambling that is
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controlled by the Chicago mob.
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Rumors are rampant in East Chicago that
not only Zarkovich, but his captain,
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Timothy O 'Neill, that they're taking
orders from the Chicago mob.
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Allegedly, they have contacts within the
local prostitution circles that would,
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of course, include Anna Thage.
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Anna Thage was known to run a call girl
service in Chicago, one of her clients
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being... John Dillinger.
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The motive for for Zarkovich was he was
being paid off by Dillinger to fake
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Dillinger's death. According to this
theory, Zarkovich got Anastasia
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He sends her to Melvin Purvis and then,
you know, maneuvers himself into the
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whole thing, too. So I went to a
policeman I knew and he arranged a
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with the government agent.
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According to Nash, Anna Sage knew who
Jimmy Lawrence was, she knew that he was
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going to be set up to be John Dillinger,
and she knew that he would also take
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the fall for John Dillinger as well.
Melvin Purvis had never seen John
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in person, so he could have easily have
been fooled by a decoy.
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According to FBI records, when the man
with Anna Sage and Polly Hamilton sees
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law enforcement closing in on him, he
grabs a pistol from his pocket and runs
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toward the alley.
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According to FBI account, three Bureau
of Investigation agents shoot him.
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Five shots fired, three strikes the man
in the alley outside.
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When Dr.
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Kearns was conducting the autopsy, he
stated that the fatal shot hit him in
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back of the neck, it exited out his
right eye, and he fell.
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Now, there are stories that claim that
he was executed.
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In the alley, because of the angle of
the bullet.
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J. Robert Nash contends that the angle
at which the bullet is entering suggests
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it's an execution -style shot, because
the kill shot travels and exits upward,
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which again suggests that you're not
going to be standing up. He would have
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to have already been on the ground for
the bullet to exit through that specific
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trajectory.
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The three agents who the FBI say shot at
Dillinger never indicate who fired the
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fatal bullet.
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But some say it wasn't one of the feds.
It was two of the East Chicago cops on
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the detail that night.
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Didn't anyone wonder why at the Biograph
Theater that night there were federal
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agents there and East Chicago policemen,
not Chicago policemen, who had no idea
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this was going on?
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It's possible that they were building
this plan for Jimmy Lawrence to die in
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John Dillinger's place.
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According to Nash, when Melvin Purvis
gives the sign, Zarkovich and O 'Neal
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move in, pushing this man into the alley
and down to the ground, firing on him
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while he is prone, execution style,
really eliminating any possibility that
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this patsy Jimmy Lawrence would live to
tell his tale.
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Zarkovich gets $5 ,000 in federal reward
money for his role at the Biograph.
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in addition to any money he allegedly
may have gotten from Dillinger.
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Meanwhile, some believe John Dillinger,
very much alive, continues his plan to
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dupe Hoover's FBI.
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Shortly after the Biograph shooting,
according to John Dillinger's good buddy
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Blackie Audette, Blackie Audette goes to
a cabin in Illinois and meets up with
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John Dillinger.
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Blackie Audette said to him, OK, John,
you're dead. Let's get the hell out of
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here. And that Dillinger said, there's
one thing I want to take care of first.
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don't want anyone digging up that body.
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So a few days later, Dillinger's dad
arrives with a concrete truck and
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this coffin in concrete and in steel to
make sure that nobody can dig up this
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body. John Dillinger's family, you know,
were farmers. His dad didn't have a lot
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of money.
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So the question that begs to be asked
and answered is, where did he get the
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money to encase this casket in cement?
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As if this story wasn't audacious.
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Enough. Audette takes it a step further
and claims he and Dillinger joined the
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crew of workmen who buried the body and
then encased it in cement.
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But what about Dillinger's sister,
Audrey?
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She identified the body as her brother's
after seeing a telltale scar.
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Maybe the sister and the father both
realized that was not John Dillinger and
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they were just trying to cover the fact.
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that maybe John Dillinger was still very
much alive.
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Was public enemy number one John
Dillinger taken out by the FBI in 1934?
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Or did he pull off a brilliant escape?
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If Dillinger did flee, where did he go?
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A letter received in Indiana in 1959
offers a possible clue.
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25 years after the alleged
assassination, the Indianapolis Star
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receives a letter from someone claiming
to be John Dillinger and his postmarked
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Hollywood, California.
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The author of the letters claims that he
knew the FBI was setting a trap for him
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and that he knew that Jimmy Lawrence was
the man killed at the Biograph Theater.
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The letter read, although the body was
identified as mine, The face and
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fingerprint did not match.
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To prove the fact, I am sending a photo
of John Dillinger as he appears today.
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And he enclosed a photograph, which,
I'll be honest with you, it looks an
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lot like an older John Dillinger.
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A few years later, though, another
letter shows up. Now, this one shows up
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the Little Bohemia Lodge. In the letter,
the writer says, I'm sending a letter.
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And photo of Dillinger as he looks
today.
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The man shot was James Lawrence, who
told the woman in red that he was
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Dillinger. This letter, like the
previous one that was sent in 1959, also
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photo of someone who has a bit of a
resemblance to an older John Dillinger.
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this one is also addressed from
Hollywood, California.
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The handwriting in both letters is
compared to a 1929 letter Dillinger
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his family while he was locked up at an
Indiana reformatory.
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The handwriting in both of these letters
from Hollywood, California, was
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compared to a John Dillinger letter that
was written in 1929.
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And unfortunately, it's inconclusive.
Some handwriting experts say it matches,
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and some say it doesn't.
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There may be additional evidence to
support the idea that Dillinger lived a
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quiet, anonymous life in California,
starting with the recollections of a man
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named Russell Lee Clark.
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Russell Lee Clark is the last surviving
member of Dillinger's gang.
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Nash interviews him just after he gets
out of prison in 1968, which turns out
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be four months before he dies.
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Clark robbed banks with Dillinger from
October of 33 to January of 34.
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before he was arrested and sentenced to
life in prison, four months before the
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Biograph shooting took place.
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Now, Russell Lee Clark says, I've been
in touch with his sister, Audrey.
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We've been communicating, and she's been
going to California quite a bit.
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Clark then asks, why is it that Audrey
spends so much time visiting California
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when she has no known relations in the
state?
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During his interview, he told him that
John Dillinger was living in La Puente,
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California, which is about 20 miles
outside of Los Angeles.
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The big question is, where is John
Dillinger? We feel him to be in the Los
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Angeles area, and quite probably alive
today.
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Intrigued, Nash travels to La Puente to
follow up on Clark's lead.
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La Puente, it's a place where people
could disappear to. And this was not all
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that uncommon.
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People who could get away would
disappear and live under an assumed
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Nash says he follows this lead up, going
all the way to La Puente, where he
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gathers evidence that he says proves
that Dillinger is there.
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He finds a man who somewhat matches the
description, who is working as a
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machinist.
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On one of Dillinger's old wanted
posters, indeed, one of his professions
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listed as machinist.
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Nash meets him in a dark room. This man
who tells him that he's John Dillinger
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and now he's a machinist in California,
that he hadn't really been killed at the
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Biograph Theater.
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It raises many questions.
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Why go to all of the trouble of faking
your death and then establishing a new
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life only to invite attention?
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onto yourself, to begin to send letters
and photographs to people who would then
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publicize them, almost inviting people
like Nash to track you down, inviting
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perhaps the FBI to track you down. What
if you were not worried about the FBI
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finally tracking you down? Because you
know they're never going to pursue this.
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As newspaper headlines pout the dramatic
death of gangster John Dillon.
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An autopsy is performed on his alleged
corpse, and a coroner's inquest is
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convened to determine the precise cause
of death.
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Inquests like these routinely involve
witness testimony, but only one witness
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the biograph shooting is called before
the verdict is pronounced.
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Justifiable homicide by officers of the
federal government.
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It was reported that the man who ran
down Dillinger was not present.
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The man whose bullet killed Dillinger
was not named. And the actual inquest
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into this incident lasted all of about
20 minutes.
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The article also notes that the two
women, Hamilton or Sage, are not allowed
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speak to the press at all. The East
Chicago police officers on the scene
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that two federal justice officers
performed the execution.
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The two were never named.
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The executed man also apparently had a
gun, but this gun was never found, and
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was never even part of the inquest.
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If we're talking about public enemy
number one, you would do this absolutely
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the book. The whole inquest was done
very quickly. The entire purpose of it
419
00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:08,470
seemed to have been that it was in the
interest of the FBI to make this go away
420
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very quickly.
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00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:10,990
So from all of these...
422
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Missing pieces of this puzzle. There are
some people that speculate that
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someone's aiming to just suppress as
much information as possible. The Bureau
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Investigation says, we got our men.
We're an effective force of the
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We know what we're doing. There are
plenty of other bad guys out there. We
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to go get them.
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Pretty Boy Floyd is the new public enemy
number one. But three months after
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Dillinger's death, he's gunned down.
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00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:36,530
And then Babyface Nelson is killed a
month after that.
430
00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:39,810
This string of headline -making
shootings.
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raises the profile of J. Edgar Hoover
and his Bureau of Investigation.
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Imagine if the public had learned that
the Bureau investigation had killed the
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wrong guy in that alley. There'd be no
way that J. Edgar Hoover would ever let
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the possibility of John Dillinger being
alive permeate. There's no way. It would
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00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,220
have been an epic embarrassment for J.
Edgar Hoover.
436
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:17,130
So this string of successes really
finally elevate J. Edgar Hoover and the
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00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:20,190
to the status that they were hoping for.
They are shining heroes.
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00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:24,410
Is it possible Hoover himself engineered
a cover -up?
439
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:27,710
Some speculate the answer could be yes.
440
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Hoover would go to any length to cover
up any mistakes that his fledgling FBI
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00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,560
had going because they couldn't take the
publicity, not after Little Bohemia,
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when he almost lost his position.
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00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:47,140
J. Edgar Hoover by now has spent tens of
millions of dollars in pursuit of John
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Dillinger. And to have word get out now
that all of that money was spent for
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00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,160
naught and misused, it would have not
only destroyed J. Edgar Hoover's career.
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00:32:56,650 --> 00:32:58,150
but probably the Bureau as well.
447
00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:03,650
If the FBI mistook Jimmy Lawrence as
John Dillinger and killed the wrong man,
448
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:06,690
Dillinger has to disappear.
449
00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:12,650
This theory holds they actually broker a
deal between Dillinger and the FBI that
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00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:19,610
will have Dillinger agree, when
compensated, to vanish and live the rest
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00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:25,730
of his days in anonymity, and that in
return, the FBI will leave him alone.
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00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:30,430
The Bureau had been embarrassed so many
times by John Dillinger from these
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00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:36,530
escapes and the ridicule, which has led
some to contend that it would be easier
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00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:42,710
to simply make a deal with Dillinger,
that Dillinger would willingly stay in
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hiding, remain anonymous, and never
embarrass the FBI again.
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00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:53,970
To keep the truth from coming out, key
witnesses would have to be silenced.
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00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:55,940
People like Anna Sage.
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00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:03,220
Anna Sage is given a $5 ,000 reward for
her role in the apprehension of John
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00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:04,220
Dillinger.
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00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:10,540
In this version of the story, that $5
,000 is less a reward than it is hush
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00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:15,239
money. Anna Sage, in spite of what she
had hoped she was going to get out of
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00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,800
deal, she ended up getting deported back
to Romania.
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00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:24,489
Adding to speculation around an FBI
cover -up, the Dillinger autopsy report
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00:34:24,489 --> 00:34:29,350
missing in 1934, only to be found 50
years later.
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00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:34,530
The autopsy report is found in March of
1984 in the basement of the Cook County
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00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:39,889
Medical Office in a brown paper bag. How
does one of the most interesting, one
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00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:45,429
of the most important autopsy reports
just go missing like that? Yeah.
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00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:51,449
You're inclined to believe that the
autopsy reveals all of these
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00:34:51,610 --> 00:34:56,310
Well, maybe there was a reason to cover
it up so that people couldn't know the
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00:34:56,310 --> 00:35:00,890
truth, that it wasn't Dillinger who was
gunned down outside the biograph.
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00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:11,170
Five months from November 1933 to April
1934, John Dillinger has a 26 -year
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-old girlfriend named Evelyn Furchette,
nicknamed Billy.
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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,440
Frechette was born to a French father
and a Native American mother. She lived
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00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,800
the Menominee Reservation in Wisconsin.
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00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,760
At age 18, Billy Frechette moves to
Chicago.
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00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:29,580
She works as a waitress and as a
nursemaid.
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00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,720
In November of 1933, she meets Dillinger
at a dance hall.
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00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:36,840
She describes him as someone who treated
her very well.
479
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,180
She says he was a gentleman, and the
fact that he's a scoundrel doesn't
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00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:45,380
the fact that to ladies, he could very
well be very charming.
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00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:49,010
By all accounts, they have a real love
affair.
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00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:55,550
Allegedly, Evelyn Billy Frechette and
John Dillinger had a plan to escape this
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00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:56,368
life of crime.
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00:35:56,370 --> 00:36:01,870
Dillinger and Frechette actually live
together for a time. And the story we
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00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:04,650
is of Billy playing more or less the
good housewife.
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00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:10,230
Then, on April 9th, 1934, Frechette is
arrested.
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00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,380
And he sees her get arrested inside of a
bar, and he initially planned some
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00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:20,020
rather daring attempts to help her
escape.
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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,220
John wanted to break her out. It was too
dangerous. He couldn't do it. He
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00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:25,220
couldn't take the risk.
491
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,160
She remained in jail until 1936.
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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Burchette is behind bars when she learns
that her outlaw boyfriend has been
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00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,900
killed at the Biograph Theater.
494
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,740
Blackie Audet says that after the
shooting at the Biograph Theater,
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00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:46,630
that he would take him west to a
reservation in Oregon where he could
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00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:47,630
Billy Frechette.
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00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:52,150
She, however, still had two years left
on her prison sentence.
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00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:55,110
Dillinger apparently could not wait that
long.
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00:36:55,610 --> 00:37:00,390
Could Dillinger's relationship with
Frechette have inspired his choice of a
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00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:01,390
hiding place?
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00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:07,810
There has been speculation that
Dillinger could have easily have hid out
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00:37:07,810 --> 00:37:11,910
Native American reservation after he
disappeared and started living an
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00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:12,910
life.
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00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:20,750
According to Audette, he took Dillinger
to the Beattie Reservation in Klamath
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00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:25,810
County, Oregon. And it's there that
Dillinger apparently met a Native
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00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,170
woman and ended up having four children
with her.
507
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:34,120
Through Billy, he knew people in the
Native American community, presumably.
508
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,040
And it was not uncommon for people who
did want to disappear to go to Indian
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00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:46,140
reservations. According to one Raymond
Kakwatosh, who grew up on the Menominee
510
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,880
Reservation in Wisconsin, Dillinger was
a somewhat frequent visitor, where he
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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,300
was harbored at different points in his
criminal career.
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00:37:54,220 --> 00:38:00,140
John Dillinger used the reservation as
sort of a sanctuary because the
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00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:06,040
local police and the state police could
not go on the reservation.
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00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:10,960
If Dillinger needed a place to get lost
and to escape after the shooting at the
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00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Biograph, a Native American reservation
would probably be the best place,
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00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,620
considering that on Native American
reservations, state authorities...
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00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,200
have no jurisdiction, and also Native
Americans, not the biggest fan of the
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00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,200
United States government.
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00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,080
Dillinger, being seen as this hero, was
always considered welcome on these
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00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,240
reservations. According to Blackie
Audet, when the reservation in Oregon
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00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,160
John Dillinger stays in the area and
lives there for the rest of his life as
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00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:45,420
farmer. If that is the case, it raises
the question once again of just who is
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00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:46,900
buried in Indiana.
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00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:54,690
In 2019, Dillinger's niece and nephew
sought to answer that question by
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00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:56,730
a permit to exhume the body.
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00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:02,010
John Dillinger's niece and nephew, Carol
and Michael Thompson, present an
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00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:07,650
affidavit to Indiana saying they have
reason to believe that the body buried
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00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:09,550
there is not that of their uncle.
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00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:11,150
One would think...
530
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,960
that if the FBI really wanted to put an
end to this speculation, we certainly
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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,380
have the technology now through DNA to
find out who's buried in that grave.
532
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,780
The Chicago FBI office, in response to
this affidavit, releases a statement
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00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:32,640
saying that, nope, 100%, the man in that
grave is John Dillon.
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00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:39,300
In addition, Crown Hill Cemetery, where
Dillinger is buried, opposed exhuming
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00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:40,300
his body.
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00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:45,770
The cemetery cited its duty to ensure
the safety and integrity of the grounds
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00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:48,010
and those interred there.
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00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:54,350
Ultimately, a Marion County judge ruled
that Dillinger's family cannot exhume
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00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,730
the body without the cemetery's consent.
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00:39:57,150 --> 00:40:03,790
Since then, Dillinger's family has
called off any effort to exhume the
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00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:10,440
for so many, the fact remains that until
there is a DNA test, Taken of that
542
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,780
body, we will not know who was buried
under John Dillinger's name.
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00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,300
John Dillinger has been called America's
first celebrity criminal. And 90 years
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00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:27,300
after his death, or perhaps his escape,
Dillinger remains one of the most famous
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00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,220
gangsters in American history.
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00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:37,400
Genetic analysis could finally answer
the question.
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00:40:37,850 --> 00:40:42,670
of whether the notorious bank robber,
John Dillinger, was truly killed outside
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00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:45,350
the Biograph Theater 90 years ago.
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00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:50,450
But as long as the courts deny
permission to exhume the body, there
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00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:57,150
those who suspect that on that July
night in 1934, public enemy number one
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have made his greatest escape.
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I'm Lawrence Fishburne. Thank you for
watching History's Greatest Mysteries.
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