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She would
have night terrors.
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Phil or I would, kind of,
have to hold her down.
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She said, oh, no.
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They're here.
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And she says, they
want to hurt you.
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She said, I got a
visit from my past daddy.
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And I thought, well,
what does she mean?
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And she starts screaming,
it's going to fall.
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It's going to fall.
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She started to say she
could see things at night.
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And she turned
around and looked at me.
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And she goes, they're on fire.
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I found in this writing that
she was a girl from a country
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called [inaudible].
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Like, she's
screaming, help me.
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I thought, what's
wrong with her?
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I didn't know what
was happening to my grandbaby.
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And I didn't know
how to help her.
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I was really freaked out.
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I don't know what to do.
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What can I do?
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I did think that she
was going to hurt herself.
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My name is Michelle Johnston.
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I live in Mount
Pleasant, Tennessee.
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Mount Pleasant is located
in middle Tennessee,
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just about 50 miles
south of Nashville.
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I love living in Mount Pleasant.
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There's a lot of history.
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It's a peaceful community.
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I'm Karsynn.
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I'm 20.
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I'm a stay-at-home mom to my
daughters, Alexis and Lily.
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The day I found out I
was pregnant, I was 17.
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The first part of Karsynn's
pregnancy was pretty normal.
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Everything was going well.
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Toward the end of the
pregnancy, though, we
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started to have some problems.
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She was having a lot of pain in
the lower part of her abdomen.
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I didn't have that with
any of my pregnancies.
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She made several trips
to the emergency room,
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thinking that she was in labor.
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They put her in the hospital
on a Monday, somewhere around 5
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PM.
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It was very painful.
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I had really bad back labor.
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I had to have my epidural
done three times.
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I never finished
dilating, so they had
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to do an emergency C-section.
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It was just a real
difficult labor and delivery.
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Karsynn was very, very sick.
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I was just scared to death.
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It was difficult
getting Lexi here.
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And I laid there for 80
hours before Alexis was born.
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One of the most
exciting moments
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is when Alexis was born.
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Through the
pregnancy, you kind of
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got it, hey, I'm having a kid.
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But it doesn't really hit
you until you're actually
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holding her.
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At first, motherhood
was very difficult.
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Alexis had to sleep with
my mama because I couldn't
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get up and move.
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She got really
attached to my mom.
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Alexis is
my granddaughter.
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And since she's
come into the world,
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she's just been my whole heart.
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I loved being a mother.
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And I just love being
a grandmother, I think,
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even more.
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Lexi, since she
come into the world,
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there's something about her.
She's different.
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Like, she does different
things than other children.
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I mean, at six months old,
she would take a pencil, pen,
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crayon--
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anything-- and hold
it the proper way.
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Most children grasp
it with a fist.
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Lexi holds it like an adult.
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The first time I saw her
holding the pen that way,
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it was kind of shocking.
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And she continued to do it
every time she picked it up.
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So it wasn't a fluke thing.
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She did it correct every time.
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Lexi was at home
from the hospital,
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and she had bad sleep patterns.
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We thought at first, she's
been in the hospital.
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She'll gradually get into
a better sleep habit.
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When we tried to lay her down
in the crib, that didn't work.
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Minutes after we'd lay
her down, she'd wake up,
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and she'd be crying.
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She'd actually scream
a lot of the time--
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terrified.
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We tried moving the
crib into our bedroom,
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but that didn't work either.
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She's always had
very restless sleep.
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And once she was two
or three months old,
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we thought, well, maybe she
has an inner ear infection.
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There was no fever.
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Maybe she's colicky?
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Several trips to the
emergency room, back and forth
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to pediatricians--
there was never
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anything wrong which could
explain why Lexi couldn't
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sleep.
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Then she started having
extreme night terrors.
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Lexi didn't want to go to bed.
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She would scream and holler.
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When Lexi did
finally fall asleep,
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it usually wasn't for very long.
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She would start to
move around a lot.
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She would start to get sweaty.
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So I'd take the covers
off of her so maybe she
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could get a little more air.
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We'd get up after having
what we'd call a night terror
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or really bad dream.
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Lexi's screaming.
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She's pulling at her hair.
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She's pulling at our hair.
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She's screaming, help me.
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I'm scared.
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Several nights into the
night terrors, and I really
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wasn't thinking anything of it.
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When they continued for
weeks, and then the weeks
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turned into months, my thought
was, this is just not right.
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Children don't do this.
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It was breaking
my heart to watch
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Lexi have to go through this--
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not sleeping, grinding
her teeth, crying.
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I thought the night terrors
were something that's eventually
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going to go away.
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But you know, we were
up for a challenge.
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The first time I noticed
something strange, Alexis
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would have conversations with
people who weren't there.
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My 13-year-old
daughter said Lexi was creepy.
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She certainly made you stop and
look, peek around the corner,
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and second-guess what's there.
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I knew there was
something else going on.
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My name is Kim, and I
am an RN clinic manager
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at a medical facility
here in Elk River.
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Elk River is about 45 minutes
from the Minneapolis-St. Paul
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area.
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It's a big hockey town.
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It's a pretty tight
knit community.
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Elk River is known for
a lot of outdoor stuff--
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hunting, fishing, hiking.
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The Mississippi River
runs through Elk River.
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A fun old downtown with
lots of unique shopping.
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And we just really
like the community
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and been here for
about 10 years.
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My pregnancy with Anissa
was pretty difficult.
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I was in labor for
about 24 hours.
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The birth was very long.
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Kim was in labor for
quite a long time.
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I pushed for about four hours.
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The C-section crew
was all ready.
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And then the doctor
finally, basically,
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kind of crawled up onto my
bed and just vacuumed her out.
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I wasn't sure if I was
going to be able to make it.
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When Anissa was a baby,
she was more fussy,
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needed a little
bit more attention.
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She would cry and cry and cry.
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Wanted to be held a lot.
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As a toddler, Anissa
was very caring.
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When someone was sad, she would
do things to try to make people
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happy, because I
think she is pretty
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sensitive to other
people's emotions.
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The first time that something
struck me as odd with Anissa,
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she was in kindergarten.
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We were driving.
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Anissa was buckled up in
her car seat in the back.
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And I remember her getting
very excited and very happy.
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And I said, what are
you doing back there?
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And Anissa's like, Mom, Mom!
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Bailey is here.
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Bailey was my Pomeranian
dog that I had.
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He had already passed along
before my children were even
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born.
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She was like, well, Mom,
he's-- he's right under me,
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under my legs.
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Can't you see him?
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I can feel him under my legs.
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When Kim told me the
story about Bailey,
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at first I was like, OK.
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That's interesting.
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You know, I didn't really
know what to make of it
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or understand it.
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My thought was that
she was imagining it.
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I really didn't think
much of it at that time.
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Another odd thing happened.
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One morning I was
getting ready for work.
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And Anissa came in, and she
said, Mom, Mom, I got a visit
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from my past-past-past daddy.
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Not my Daddy Phil, she'd
say, who's her dad now.
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She just went on and on.
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He would visit her, you
know, in these dreams
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to these daisy fields and see
these beautiful, sparkling
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trees.
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They would write poems together.
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They would sing.
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And she would say that she
was in heaven with him.
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And I thought,
what does she mean?
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Karsynn was 17 when
she got pregnant with Lexi.
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Lexi was very
advanced for her age.
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She was writing at six months.
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And about that same time, she
started having night terrors.
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It was breaking
my heart to watch
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Lexi have to go through this.
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One time, I was buckling
her sister in the truck.
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We were going to go
to my mother's house.
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And she starts talking.
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And I asked her who
she was talking to.
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And she pointed to
our neighbor's yard.
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She said, the little
boy right there.
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And I was like, what little boy?
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She said him.
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He's two like me.
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I didn't think much of
it because most kids have
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imaginary friends.
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I asked her if she had
ever seen him before.
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And she said, yes.
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He follows her everywhere.
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She started looking
out windows and saying, oh, no.
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They're coming.
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No, it's OK, Lexi.
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There's no one here.
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It just went on
for several months,
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until it finally got to
where you just weren't paying
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any more attention.
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As soon as she said,
oh, no, they're coming,
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you wouldn't even look any more.
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You just said, there's
no one here, Lexi.
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And then just one
day, out of the blue,
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she said, oh, no, they're here.
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They're finally here.
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So we all just
stopped immediately.
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Of course, I look
out the door now.
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I said, there's no
one here, sweetheart.
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Lexi said, yes, there is.
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She turned and looked
at my daughter, Brooke,
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and she says, and
they want to hurt you.
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And I was like, well,
that's a little creepy.
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At that point, everybody was
just getting kind of creeped
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out.
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Things started to turn
a little scarier, I think,
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at this point.
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We were in the backyard
playing one afternoon.
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And there were several
of us out there.
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Lexi is playing in the dirt.
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And she gets up, walks
over to the tree line,
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and she's standing
there talking.
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I said, who are you talking to?
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And she turned and
goes, to those people.
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She says, there are two of them.
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So we're all looking at each
other, thinking, what are we
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getting ready to find out now?
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So I said, what
do they look like?
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And she turned around
and look at me.
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She goes, they're on fire.
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I was trying to ask her
more questions about them.
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I said, do you
know who they are?
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She goes, they are
a mommy and a daddy.
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I didn't know how
to feel about that.
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It was a little scary.
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Lexi's seeing something
that I can't see.
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It's one thing to have
an imaginary friend.
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If she says she sees it--
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she's not old enough
to lie to me yet.
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How in the world is this baby
going to come up with seeing
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people who aren't there?
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I don't know how to deal
with something I can't see.
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I've got this two-year-old baby
explaining horrific things.
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I just don't know what to do.
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My daughter, Anissa talked
about her past-past-past daddy.
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I was definitely
worried about Anissa.
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When Anissa was five, she
was talking about experiences
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that she was having with
her past-past-past daddy.
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She started to describe
him in great detail.
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She started to draw
pictures of him, the clothes
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he was wearing--
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short pants.
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I remember her drawing a
picture of his funny hair
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with a cigarette in his hand.
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And he wrote books.
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She kept saying that
that was his job.
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There was a time where I found
Anissa writing, over and over,
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that she was a girl from
a country called New York.
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She felt she lived there
and wanted to visit there.
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And it seemed like she knew New
York but had never been there.
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The amount of detail that Anissa
would give, I thought, this
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has got to be something.
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When Anissa was
around eight or nine,
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she didn't want to
sleep by herself.
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She always wanted to
sleep with Kim and I
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or sleep with her brother.
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You know, we didn't
really understand why.
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We couldn't shut the door.
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The door had to be open.
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At the age of 10, you should
be able to sleep alone.
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Oftentimes, we found her
barricaded with pillows
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around her so she
couldn't see over.
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She would also take her
mirrors and flip them around
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against the wall so
they weren't facing her.
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But we would ask her, why?
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What-- what are you afraid of?
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And that's when she started
to say she could see things
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at night.
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My thought was,
what's wrong with her?
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One day Anissa
described an orphan boy
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and that he was sick.
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And Anissa felt he was poisoned.
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But he only came to
her in the mirror.
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When she was getting ready,
he'd appear next to her.
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She kept smelling mothballs.
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She drew him as having
these clothes on that
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had holes all over in it.
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He was always around her.
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And he didn't want to leave.
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She was very scared of him.
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That's when she would not go
to the bathroom by herself.
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Here she was, this
10-year-old that
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had to have the door open
to go to the bathroom
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because she wouldn't be alone
in the bathroom anymore.
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And in the back of my
head, thinking about it--
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OK, that kind of
weird, kind of creepy.
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You know, why-- why is
she thinking like that?
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You know, is there
something wrong with Anissa?
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So I finally
got to the point
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of asking some of my
pediatricians that I trusted.
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They led me to a
child therapist.
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I was really freaked out.
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I thought there could be
something mentally wrong
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with her.
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My two-year-old
granddaughter, Alexis,
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started having night terrors.
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Then she started talking to a
little boy who wasn't there.
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And then she started talking
to two people she said
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were on fire.
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I didn't know what was
happening to my grandbaby.
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And I also didn't
know how to help her.
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Lexi reminded me of something
that happened before,
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but at the time I
didn't believe it.
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My son, Garrett, is now 22,
but from a very early age
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he would tell me
things not unlike Lexi.
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But when Garrett
was 15 months old,
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he scared the life out of me.
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We were asleep.
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He sat up in the bed.
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And he says, oh, Mama, look.
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There him is.
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It's pitch black.
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I'm trying to look around
the room, thinking,
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is somebody in this room?
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I said, who is it, Garrett?
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Garrett said, that man,
and points over there.
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I said, Garrett,
there's no one there.
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I said, well, Garrett,
what does he look like?
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He says, oh, mama, him's
got big, beautiful wings.
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And he puts his
arms out like that.
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I reach over and grab my son.
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And I said, who is it?
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And he says, oh, it's God.
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I said, Garrett, how
do you know who God is?
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And he said, because
Mama, I lived with him
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before I was your little boy.
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I feel bad, because some of
the things that Garrett says
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that he saw, Lexi is
describing the same things.
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It's not that I didn't want to
believe him and I believe Lexi.
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I didn't know to believe
Garrett at that time.
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And then Lexi said
something that shocked me.
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We live close to
a small airport.
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And Lexi plays outside.
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The first time a plane
flew over, she freaked out.
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She starts screaming and crying.
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She's running across the yard
trying to get to someone.
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And so I scooped her up.
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I'm like, it's OK, baby.
It's OK.
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And at first it
didn't dawn on me
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that it was the airplane
that had scared her.
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And she started screaming,
it's going to fall.
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It's going to fall.
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No, no, no, baby, I said.
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It's just an airplane.
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It's not going to fall.
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And she said, oh, yes, it is.
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Alexis is terrified of planes.
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Every time one flies overhead,
she'll usually scream and run
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to the nearest person and
hold on to them for dear life.
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Lexi had just turned two, and
we were visiting my parents.
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And we were sitting outside
on the lawn furniture,
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and a plane flew over.
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And Lexi's burying
her head, screaming,
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that plane is going to fall.
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It's going to catch on fire.
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It's going to fall.
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I thought, where
did that come from?
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It's not going to
catch on fire, Lexi.
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It was real fear.
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Karsynn had decided one day
in the backyard to ask her,
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have you ever been on a plane?
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And Lexi answered her,
yes, which kind of shocked
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us all because Lexi has
never been on a plane.
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We said, what happened
to your plane, Lexi?
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And she goes, it's raining.
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Lots and lots of rain,
she said, and thunder.
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I said, was there a storm?
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And she goes, bad
storm, bad storm.
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And I'm like, are you OK?
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And she goes, no, no.
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I want to help Lexi
through this so that there
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is some sort of resolve.
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When my son was going
through this, I was too busy.
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I hope to atone for my ignorance
back then with Garrett,
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maybe, through Lexi.
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I've worked with
children for many years.
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I know that the things that
Lexi does is not normal.
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I don't know what to do.
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What can I do?
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I was really starting to believe
that Alexis, my granddaughter,
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was remembering a past life.
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My daughter, Anissa, talked
about having a past-past daddy
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and being from a
country called New York.
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She had horrible problems
sleeping at night.
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And she did not
want to be alone.
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I really was fearful of what
her future would lead to.
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After we saw the
child therapist,
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he did conclude that she
was not mentally ill.
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Knowing that she didn't
have a mental illness,
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I felt a sense of
relief in one aspect.
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00:22:38,426 --> 00:22:42,291
But then I had a whole
other sense of fear.
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Now what are we going to do?
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Anissa was a very
creative little girl.
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She wrote poems and music and
short stories, meditation.
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And some of it just didn't seem
like her intellect at the ages
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that she was.
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With everything that had
been going on with Anissa,
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I started to think, is she
remembering a past life?
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Growing up Lutheran, past
lives or reincarnation
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wasn't something that I
thought was bad or not
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a possibility, just
something that was never
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really discussed.
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Nothing could have prepared
us for what happened next.
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When Anissa was
around nine years old,
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I won tickets to a
hockey game in St. Paul.
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After the hockey game,
we had left the arena,
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and we were walking
outside all together.
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She was going, oh, I
just feel so happy here.
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I feel like I could
get married here.
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And then she just took
off running ahead of us.
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And she's like, Mom,
Dad, come on, come on.
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So we caught up to
her, and there she is.
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00:23:54,363 --> 00:23:56,227
She's standing by this statue.
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And she puts her arm around him.
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And she said, here he is.
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00:24:01,819 --> 00:24:04,028
This is him.
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00:24:04,063 --> 00:24:07,515
This is my past-past-past daddy
that visits me in my dreams.
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00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:12,209
And I couldn't believe
what happened next.
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00:24:22,046 --> 00:24:24,152
My two-year-old
granddaughter, Alexis,
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sees people that aren't there.
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00:24:26,982 --> 00:24:30,227
She's terrified of airplanes.
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00:24:30,261 --> 00:24:32,471
This is not normal
two-year-old behavior.
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00:24:41,341 --> 00:24:45,069
We were outside, and
a plane flew over.
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She immediately snaps
her head and looks up,
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00:24:47,727 --> 00:24:51,973
and she goes, my
plane, my plane.
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00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,354
We said, what happened
to your plane, Lexi?
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And she goes, it's on fire.
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00:24:59,152 --> 00:25:02,673
I was really starting
to worry about her.
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00:25:02,708 --> 00:25:05,365
I believe that Alexis,
my granddaughter,
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00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,298
was remembering a past life.
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00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:09,749
I had had speculation before.
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Like, when she was
talking to the people
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that we couldn't see,
I'm like, what is this?
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You know, is she some sort
of clairvoyant at two?
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00:25:19,103 --> 00:25:20,726
Out of the blue, I
told my mama one day,
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I said, that baby's
connected to the past.
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You know, that's
all this can be.
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It wasn't too long after that--
maybe a couple of weeks or two
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to three weeks after that--
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she started describing in
full detail that plane crash.
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00:25:34,463 --> 00:25:38,260
Lexi has told me the
story more than once
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that she was on the plane
with a younger sister.
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00:25:42,955 --> 00:25:46,752
She said, everybody screamed.
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00:25:46,786 --> 00:25:47,718
I'm falling.
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00:25:47,753 --> 00:25:49,409
My plane is falling.
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00:25:49,444 --> 00:25:51,204
And here come the
little tears again.
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00:25:51,239 --> 00:25:52,792
They're just running
down her cheeks
484
00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:55,174
to the point they're dripping
off the bottom of her chin.
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00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:58,833
And she turned around,
and she said, I can't fly.
486
00:25:58,867 --> 00:26:02,181
And that's when Lexi breaks
down and just starts to sob.
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00:26:02,215 --> 00:26:04,977
After every episode--
is what we call them--
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that Lexi has, when
she comes out of that
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00:26:08,049 --> 00:26:10,361
and she's still crying,
she's sobbing, she'll cry
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00:26:10,396 --> 00:26:13,019
and say I need a
nap, I need a nap.
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00:26:13,054 --> 00:26:14,607
And she wants to
go to the couch.
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00:26:14,642 --> 00:26:18,197
And then we lay her down, and
she closes her eyes real tight.
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I don't know if she's
trying to forget
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00:26:19,923 --> 00:26:23,167
or trying to go to sleep so
she doesn't think about it.
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00:26:23,202 --> 00:26:25,584
I can't stand the thought that
my granddaughter is having
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these visualizations of being
on a burning plane that's
497
00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:30,589
crashing, and she knows
she's not getting out of it.
498
00:26:34,972 --> 00:26:37,941
I'm not sure how I
feel about past lives.
499
00:26:37,975 --> 00:26:40,460
If she is remembering
a past life,
500
00:26:40,495 --> 00:26:43,394
I don't want her to
remember that she did have
501
00:26:43,429 --> 00:26:47,053
another family and that we're
not the only family she's had.
502
00:26:47,088 --> 00:26:49,746
Lexi is
still very small.
503
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:53,888
There are small details
still constantly surfacing.
504
00:26:53,922 --> 00:26:55,441
The other day I
was in the kitchen.
505
00:26:55,475 --> 00:26:57,788
I was washing dishes.
506
00:26:57,823 --> 00:27:01,930
And Lexi comes in, and she
goes, Mimi, I'm almost nine.
507
00:27:01,965 --> 00:27:03,518
I said, you are?
508
00:27:03,552 --> 00:27:05,796
Lexi, I think
you're almost three.
509
00:27:05,831 --> 00:27:10,007
And she goes, no,
Lexi is almost three.
510
00:27:10,042 --> 00:27:13,701
I said, well, if
Lexi is almost three,
511
00:27:13,735 --> 00:27:17,463
and you're almost
nine, who are you?
512
00:27:17,497 --> 00:27:21,156
And she goes, not Alexis.
513
00:27:21,191 --> 00:27:22,951
And she takes off
running down the hallway.
514
00:27:22,986 --> 00:27:24,366
And she's laughing.
515
00:27:24,401 --> 00:27:26,196
So I'm like, hmm.
516
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:30,441
You know, a part of me wonders,
child's imagination or is
517
00:27:30,476 --> 00:27:31,857
this connected to the past too?
518
00:27:31,891 --> 00:27:36,482
Is this this other
person's reaction to me?
519
00:27:36,516 --> 00:27:38,346
I grew up in a Christian family.
520
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:41,383
I didn't really know
what reincarnation was.
521
00:27:41,418 --> 00:27:44,283
You just talked about
going to heaven-- you know,
522
00:27:44,317 --> 00:27:47,804
not like going to heaven and
coming back as somebody else.
523
00:27:47,838 --> 00:27:49,495
You didn't think those things.
524
00:27:49,529 --> 00:27:51,704
Me breaking that faith and
going the route that I am,
525
00:27:51,739 --> 00:27:53,533
I think that will help
Lexi because I'm just
526
00:27:53,568 --> 00:27:54,603
more open-minded.
527
00:27:54,638 --> 00:27:56,536
I'm more susceptible
to listening to her
528
00:27:56,571 --> 00:27:58,642
with an open mind.
529
00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:01,714
I wanted some answers
about this plane
530
00:28:01,749 --> 00:28:03,474
so that I could help Lexi.
531
00:28:04,821 --> 00:28:08,238
One day, while I was in Lexi's
room picking up her toys,
532
00:28:08,272 --> 00:28:09,653
I run across a coloring page.
533
00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:10,758
And I picked it up.
534
00:28:10,792 --> 00:28:12,587
And just as I crumpled
it up to throw it away,
535
00:28:12,621 --> 00:28:15,694
I realized that there were
numbers written on the page.
536
00:28:15,728 --> 00:28:17,661
And it said 8-6-6.
537
00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:21,251
I thought, oh, somebody was
writing down one of those 800
538
00:28:21,285 --> 00:28:23,149
numbers and didn't finish it.
539
00:28:23,184 --> 00:28:25,565
I went ahead and wadded it up
and threw it in the garbage.
540
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,740
And then I got to thinking,
no one's been here.
541
00:28:27,775 --> 00:28:29,742
She just colored those.
542
00:28:29,777 --> 00:28:32,055
So I come in here, and I got
it back out of the garbage.
543
00:28:32,089 --> 00:28:33,332
And I looked at it again.
544
00:28:33,366 --> 00:28:36,024
So I thought, well,
it's worth a shot.
545
00:28:36,059 --> 00:28:39,752
So I typed in, "plane
crash of flight 866."
546
00:28:39,787 --> 00:28:41,305
I didn't really
turn up anything.
547
00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:43,342
So I threw it away again.
548
00:28:43,376 --> 00:28:45,102
But I couldn't get
it out of my mind.
549
00:28:45,137 --> 00:28:49,141
I just felt like the 8-6-6
was there for a reason.
550
00:28:49,175 --> 00:28:51,039
I got it out again, and
I laid it on the desk.
551
00:28:51,074 --> 00:28:52,316
And I kept thinking about it--
552
00:28:52,351 --> 00:28:54,215
8-6-6, 8-6-6, what
could this be?
553
00:28:54,249 --> 00:28:55,216
So it hit me--
554
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:59,807
August being the
eighth month of 1966.
555
00:28:59,841 --> 00:29:03,224
So I typed in, "plane
crash of August 1966,"
556
00:29:03,258 --> 00:29:04,846
and up pops this
horrible plane crash.
557
00:29:08,367 --> 00:29:14,545
So I'm hoping that we can find
out more about this crash.
558
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:16,513
We need some resolution here.
559
00:29:24,866 --> 00:29:27,973
My granddaughter, Alexis,
suffers from night terrors,
560
00:29:28,007 --> 00:29:30,630
sees people that
aren't there, described
561
00:29:30,665 --> 00:29:32,909
seeing a mommy and
a daddy burning,
562
00:29:32,943 --> 00:29:35,256
and describes being on a
horrible plane crash that's
563
00:29:35,290 --> 00:29:35,981
on fire.
564
00:29:45,059 --> 00:29:48,234
I believe my granddaughter
is experiencing a past life.
565
00:29:48,269 --> 00:29:51,479
I run across a coloring
page, and it said 8-6-6.
566
00:29:51,513 --> 00:29:53,067
And I couldn't get
it out of my mind.
567
00:29:53,101 --> 00:29:55,517
I've been trying to do some
research on plane crashes based
568
00:29:55,552 --> 00:29:59,211
on the information that
Lexi's provided us.
569
00:29:59,245 --> 00:30:02,801
I know, from her descriptions,
that there was a lot of rain,
570
00:30:02,835 --> 00:30:04,319
thunder, and lightning.
571
00:30:04,354 --> 00:30:06,528
She was on board with
a younger sister.
572
00:30:06,563 --> 00:30:10,498
This plane caught on
fire and broke apart
573
00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:12,431
while it was still in the air.
574
00:30:12,465 --> 00:30:16,573
It was a passenger plane
during a bad thunderstorm.
575
00:30:16,607 --> 00:30:18,747
There had to be two
sisters very close
576
00:30:18,782 --> 00:30:21,612
in age on board this plane.
577
00:30:21,647 --> 00:30:24,857
So I typed in, "plane
crash of flight 866."
578
00:30:24,892 --> 00:30:26,548
I didn't really
turn up anything.
579
00:30:26,583 --> 00:30:32,554
But then I typed in, "plane
crash of August 1966,"
580
00:30:32,589 --> 00:30:34,763
and up pops this
horrible plane crash.
581
00:30:34,798 --> 00:30:38,975
The plane was caught in an
up-squall, rotated to the left,
582
00:30:39,009 --> 00:30:40,804
and then it began a nose dive.
583
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,772
And in that nose dive,
the plane caught on fire
584
00:30:43,807 --> 00:30:46,499
and began to break apart.
585
00:30:46,534 --> 00:30:49,399
So I pulled up a passenger
list of the plane.
586
00:30:49,433 --> 00:30:52,781
The first name on the list
was a military serviceman.
587
00:30:52,816 --> 00:30:56,026
The very next two
names were sisters--
588
00:30:56,061 --> 00:31:04,172
a Nancy Chamberlain, age 18,
and a Susan Chamberlain, age 15.
589
00:31:04,207 --> 00:31:07,520
Could this be Lexi?
590
00:31:07,555 --> 00:31:10,109
What happened when
you were on the plane?
591
00:31:10,144 --> 00:31:11,939
I fall.
592
00:31:11,973 --> 00:31:12,767
You fell?
593
00:31:12,801 --> 00:31:13,561
Mhm.
594
00:31:13,595 --> 00:31:14,976
I fell.
595
00:31:15,011 --> 00:31:17,427
Lexi is still
remembering her past life.
596
00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:20,223
Maybe with a little bit
more age on her-- you know,
597
00:31:20,257 --> 00:31:21,914
better communication skills--
598
00:31:21,949 --> 00:31:24,468
she'll be able to
reveal a lot more.
599
00:31:24,503 --> 00:31:25,676
We're getting a journal.
600
00:31:25,711 --> 00:31:27,195
And we're going
to take everything
601
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:29,197
that Lexi has given us--
602
00:31:29,232 --> 00:31:30,854
writings and her
drawings-- and we're
603
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:33,132
going to keep up with
every little detail
604
00:31:33,167 --> 00:31:34,582
as it comes through.
605
00:31:34,616 --> 00:31:39,621
That will help us find out
who she was in the past.
606
00:31:39,656 --> 00:31:41,658
OK, you know what?
607
00:31:41,692 --> 00:31:43,349
I've got some great ideas.
608
00:31:43,384 --> 00:31:46,732
You know what we're going
to start doing together?
609
00:31:46,766 --> 00:31:52,082
We're going to get a book
with lots of paper in it.
610
00:31:52,117 --> 00:31:56,155
And we're going to start
coloring pictures about things
611
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:59,538
that you see, things
that you remember,
612
00:31:59,572 --> 00:32:01,022
or things that you dream about.
613
00:32:03,956 --> 00:32:06,752
As she gives us
more details, we're
614
00:32:06,786 --> 00:32:09,651
just going to keep
adding those details in
615
00:32:09,686 --> 00:32:13,897
and try to pin it down to which
one we think it actually fits.
616
00:32:22,837 --> 00:32:25,909
If she is experiencing
something, such as a past life
617
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:28,774
experience, I would think
it would be pretty cool.
618
00:32:28,808 --> 00:32:32,916
It probably would sway
my belief towards it.
619
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:36,402
Hopefully, over time, we'll
have Lexi's book finished,
620
00:32:36,437 --> 00:32:37,438
and we'll have her closure.
621
00:32:46,274 --> 00:32:52,177
My daughter, Anissa, talked
about having a past-past daddy.
622
00:32:52,211 --> 00:32:56,422
And one day when she was
nine, we walked through a park
623
00:32:56,457 --> 00:32:58,735
and came across a statue.
624
00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:02,325
She ran right up to it and
started yelling that this was
625
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:03,188
her past-past daddy.
626
00:33:12,024 --> 00:33:14,544
When Anissa said that
that was her past daddy,
627
00:33:14,578 --> 00:33:15,476
I'm like, oh, OK.
628
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:17,029
This is interesting.
629
00:33:17,064 --> 00:33:18,548
I didn't really
think anything of it.
630
00:33:18,582 --> 00:33:20,308
You know, maybe it's
just her imagination.
631
00:33:20,343 --> 00:33:22,241
It just happened to be
somebody she thought
632
00:33:22,276 --> 00:33:24,864
could be her past daddy.
633
00:33:24,899 --> 00:33:27,764
So we went up to the
statue and read the plaque
634
00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:34,081
and found out that the statue
was F. Scott Fitzgerald.
635
00:33:34,115 --> 00:33:36,393
At that moment,
I don't recall really
636
00:33:36,428 --> 00:33:38,602
knowing who he was.
637
00:33:38,637 --> 00:33:42,296
Once I got home, I
looked up his name.
638
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:46,783
What I found was that
F. Scott Fitzgerald
639
00:33:46,817 --> 00:33:51,305
was one of the greatest American
novelists that wrote "The Great
640
00:33:51,339 --> 00:33:53,272
Gatsby."
641
00:33:53,307 --> 00:33:58,174
Anissa drew a picture of what
her past daddy looked like.
642
00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:02,730
The hairstyle was so unique that
I knew she couldn't have just
643
00:34:02,764 --> 00:34:05,215
come up with that on her own.
644
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:09,771
I printed off a few pictures
and laid them on the counter.
645
00:34:09,806 --> 00:34:13,465
She grabbed an image and
said, here he is, mom.
646
00:34:13,499 --> 00:34:16,433
This is what he looked
like in real life.
647
00:34:16,468 --> 00:34:19,091
Everything was coming together.
648
00:34:19,126 --> 00:34:25,097
Anissa had said that her name
in her past life was similar
649
00:34:25,132 --> 00:34:26,547
to her dad's.
650
00:34:26,581 --> 00:34:30,068
When I did the research
on the daughter,
651
00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:33,416
I found that she went by Scotty.
652
00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:37,489
She was living in
New York for years.
653
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:40,595
And she was a composer.
654
00:34:40,630 --> 00:34:43,253
She also worked for
the "New York Times."
655
00:34:43,288 --> 00:34:45,945
And I thought that was a
very interesting correlation
656
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:49,846
with my daughter, because when
she was having these visits
657
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,540
from her past-past dad, she was
doing a lot of writing of poems
658
00:34:54,575 --> 00:34:55,921
and music.
659
00:34:55,955 --> 00:34:59,614
And she had a strong urge to
go visit a country called New
660
00:34:59,649 --> 00:35:00,960
York.
661
00:35:00,995 --> 00:35:04,999
And I just had to believe that
that wasn't a coincidence.
662
00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:08,589
At first I was skeptical,
but it started to click, hey,
663
00:35:08,623 --> 00:35:10,038
there's more to this.
664
00:35:10,073 --> 00:35:13,145
It's not just something
she's making up.
665
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:15,458
Something's legit here
that something's real.
666
00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:23,535
My name is Anissa,
and I'm 16 years old.
667
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:27,401
When I was younger, everything
was more difficult for me
668
00:35:27,435 --> 00:35:30,404
because I didn't know how
to control this stuff I'd
669
00:35:30,438 --> 00:35:32,751
been seeing or explain myself--
670
00:35:32,785 --> 00:35:33,993
like, what I can do.
671
00:35:34,028 --> 00:35:38,170
And I felt very
different from others.
672
00:35:38,205 --> 00:35:41,380
The first time I started to
dream about my past daddy,
673
00:35:41,415 --> 00:35:43,106
I kept on having these dreams.
674
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,591
And we would be, like,
writing poems or, like,
675
00:35:45,626 --> 00:35:49,250
writing books and,
like, singing together.
676
00:35:49,285 --> 00:35:52,046
He was well-dressed in
a nice little, like,
677
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,496
suit he would always wear.
678
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:56,154
He had this weird type of
hair that'd be, like, slicked
679
00:35:56,188 --> 00:35:58,156
to the side.
680
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:59,571
I felt very loved.
681
00:35:59,605 --> 00:36:01,642
Like, the way we act
towards each other
682
00:36:01,676 --> 00:36:04,955
was like father and daughter.
683
00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:09,960
When I saw this statue, it
said F. Scott Fitzgerald.
684
00:36:09,995 --> 00:36:14,137
And in my dreams, I would always
say to my dad, Fitzgerald.
685
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:18,210
And so when I saw that,
it drew me right to it.
686
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:18,935
That's my daddy.
687
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:26,494
I have never
experienced a past life,
688
00:36:26,529 --> 00:36:28,910
but I had to find a way
to support my daughter.
689
00:36:33,156 --> 00:36:36,090
We have planned
to go to St. Paul
690
00:36:36,124 --> 00:36:40,888
to the statue of F. Scott
Fitzgerald to say goodbye.
691
00:36:40,922 --> 00:36:45,548
What I want to tell my daughter
is to focus on the present.
692
00:36:56,628 --> 00:37:00,425
When my daughter, Anissa, was
nine, we came across a statue.
693
00:37:00,459 --> 00:37:04,222
She ran right up to it and said,
this is her past, past daddy.
694
00:37:07,466 --> 00:37:09,779
The plaque next
to the statue said
695
00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:12,160
it was F. Scott Fitzgerald.
696
00:37:12,195 --> 00:37:14,611
When I got home, I did research.
697
00:37:14,646 --> 00:37:17,373
And I could not
believe how many things
698
00:37:17,407 --> 00:37:21,273
I found on F. Scott Fitzgerald
that matched what Anissa had
699
00:37:21,308 --> 00:37:21,998
said.
700
00:37:30,144 --> 00:37:33,734
Once the past life
connection came about,
701
00:37:33,768 --> 00:37:36,254
it brought a whole
lot of acceptance
702
00:37:36,288 --> 00:37:38,670
to everything else
that was going on.
703
00:37:38,704 --> 00:37:43,261
Things that couldn't be
explainable became explained.
704
00:37:43,295 --> 00:37:48,680
So I think it's really caused
us to accept everything
705
00:37:48,714 --> 00:37:50,647
and continue just
to learn from it.
706
00:37:54,168 --> 00:37:58,621
With our acceptance of
Anissa's experiences
707
00:37:58,655 --> 00:38:02,176
with the past lives,
her connections
708
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:09,079
with spirits I think really has
made Anissa thrive and accepted
709
00:38:09,114 --> 00:38:12,324
it on her own as well.
710
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:14,671
Anissa just turned 16.
711
00:38:14,706 --> 00:38:17,329
And she's a sophomore
in high school.
712
00:38:17,364 --> 00:38:21,678
And just this past week she
was voted homecoming royalty
713
00:38:21,713 --> 00:38:23,197
for sophomore class.
714
00:38:23,231 --> 00:38:24,474
I was so proud of her.
715
00:38:24,509 --> 00:38:28,167
And it's just so comforting
to see her in the position
716
00:38:28,202 --> 00:38:29,341
that she's in.
717
00:38:29,376 --> 00:38:33,000
And there's some people
that do know about Anissa
718
00:38:33,034 --> 00:38:36,866
and her sensitivities,
yet they support her.
719
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:38,902
And I see her
thriving and growing
720
00:38:38,937 --> 00:38:42,492
into such a beautiful
young lady I'm so proud of.
721
00:38:46,393 --> 00:38:50,983
There was this famous letter
that F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote
722
00:38:51,018 --> 00:38:55,125
to his daughter, giving her
some advice and some support.
723
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,199
And what I'd like to do is give
that letter to my daughter,
724
00:39:00,234 --> 00:39:06,171
Anissa, and show her how much we
support her and her past life.
725
00:39:06,205 --> 00:39:10,175
There is a part in that letter
that he tells his daughter
726
00:39:10,209 --> 00:39:15,283
to not focus on the past
and not focus on the future
727
00:39:15,318 --> 00:39:17,734
but to focus on the present.
728
00:39:17,769 --> 00:39:20,219
And that's what I want
to tell my daughter,
729
00:39:20,254 --> 00:39:23,050
also, is to focus
on the present.
730
00:39:25,673 --> 00:39:29,643
I feel like I could really say
goodbye to my past daddy now.
731
00:39:29,677 --> 00:39:33,716
I want to move forward and
live my life as Anissa now.
732
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:36,684
We have planned
to go to St. Paul
733
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,033
to the statue of F. Scott
Fitzgerald to say goodbye.
734
00:39:41,068 --> 00:39:44,451
Anissa is ready to move
forward with this life.
735
00:39:44,485 --> 00:39:46,142
And we are so proud of her.
736
00:39:46,176 --> 00:39:51,043
I plan on giving her F.
Scott Fitzgerald's letter.
737
00:39:51,078 --> 00:39:53,529
I don't think she's
ever read it before.
738
00:39:53,563 --> 00:39:55,600
I'm really excited
to go back and see
739
00:39:55,634 --> 00:39:57,981
the statue of my past daddy.
740
00:39:58,016 --> 00:39:59,707
I feel like it would
give me closure.
741
00:40:04,781 --> 00:40:09,890
Kim and I decided to bring
Anissa back to Rice Park
742
00:40:09,924 --> 00:40:13,411
so Anissa can see F. Scott
Fitzgerald's statue--
743
00:40:13,445 --> 00:40:16,759
kind of do a last goodbye and
a final closure on F. Scott
744
00:40:16,793 --> 00:40:19,071
Fitzgerald.
745
00:40:19,106 --> 00:40:24,111
Anissa, I wanted
to give this to you.
746
00:40:24,145 --> 00:40:28,736
I found this, and it is a letter
that your past daddy wrote
747
00:40:28,771 --> 00:40:30,117
to his daughter.
748
00:40:30,151 --> 00:40:35,674
And I thought it was really
important for you to not worry
749
00:40:35,709 --> 00:40:39,954
about the past and don't
worry about the future
750
00:40:39,989 --> 00:40:43,958
and just really
focus on the present.
751
00:40:43,993 --> 00:40:45,028
Thank you, Mom.
752
00:40:45,063 --> 00:40:47,341
This is a really nice
important message.
753
00:40:47,375 --> 00:40:49,895
It's going to let me move
forward from my past.
754
00:40:49,930 --> 00:40:51,897
And I want to still thank you.
755
00:40:51,932 --> 00:40:52,829
You're welcome.
756
00:41:08,051 --> 00:41:09,674
When my mom
gave me that letter,
757
00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:12,331
it told me not to worry about
the past or not to worry
758
00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:13,712
about the future.
759
00:41:13,747 --> 00:41:17,095
And that made a big impact onto
me, coming from my past daddy.
760
00:41:17,129 --> 00:41:19,269
So now I can focus on the now.
761
00:41:19,304 --> 00:41:22,203
And I can be me and be happy.
762
00:41:22,238 --> 00:41:25,517
With Anissa talking
about her past daddy, for me,
763
00:41:25,552 --> 00:41:29,314
it never really bothered
me or affected me.
764
00:41:29,348 --> 00:41:33,111
I didn't think anything bad of
it because that was the past,
765
00:41:33,145 --> 00:41:34,664
and this is the present.
766
00:41:34,699 --> 00:41:35,907
This is the now.
767
00:41:35,941 --> 00:41:39,945
And I am and I always will
be her ultimate daddy.
768
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:42,983
And I'm going to spend the rest
of my life being the best daddy
769
00:41:43,017 --> 00:41:44,260
that I can for her.
770
00:41:44,294 --> 00:41:47,159
Keep her safe,
happy, and healthy--
771
00:41:47,194 --> 00:41:50,646
that's all that we can hope for
in any life, past or present.
60321
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