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Andrew said, Mom,
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I want you to meet my friend.
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There was nobody there.
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She talked about picking
her father or picking me.
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All of a sudden,
the fire took off--
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whoosh.
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Jada was screaming
bloody murder.
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Andrew told me that there
was a bombing at his house
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and that's how he died.
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And she said I saw men
in robes and some of them
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were holding tall sticks with
shiny gold crosses on the top--
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It wasn't a story that I
wanted my son to be a part of.
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She's remembering
not being Jada.
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Doctors said,
there's something
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wrong with your child.
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Where was this coming from?
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We were very scared.
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This was probably one of
the most horrific moments
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in my life, because there was
nothing I could do to help her.
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My name is Mary Helen.
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I grew up in
Martinsville, Virginia.
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Martinsville is located
in southwest Virginia.
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It was a really fun place to
grow up as a child, very safe,
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kind of quiet and mild in
terms of crime or anything
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that would not be
safe for children.
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So it was it was a
great place to grow up.
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I have two daughters,
Jemma and Jada.
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My pregnancy with Jada was
unusual from the beginning.
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I was just sick constantly.
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I developed a hernia because
I just threw up constantly.
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It was a very hard
time physically.
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Three weeks before I was
due to give birth to Jada,
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I was really, really sick.
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I had a horrible chest
infection and a very severe case
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of bronchitis.
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And I just had a burning
heat in my chest.
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It felt like I was
coughing up broken glass.
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And then that morning at
4 o'clock, my water broke.
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She came very quickly.
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I was good.
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She was good.
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Literally, it was a couple
of pushes, and she was out.
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We have always
called Jada the bird.
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I nicknamed her that
because, when she came out,
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the midwife joked that she
shot out so fast that she flew
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across the room.
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She was a quiet baby,
just smiled all the time.
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She never really cried unless
something was actually wrong.
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And she was a very
shy little girl,
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very happy, but very quiet.
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Their father was
from New Zealand.
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And he left to go
back to New Zealand.
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So from the time they were three
and one, then I was on my own
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with them.
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And they go to New Zealand
half the year to visit him.
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Jada has been telling me since
she was about three years old
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that she was glad she
picked me as her mother.
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She talked about picking
her father or picking me.
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This is something
she's been doing
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since she's been able to speak.
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There's that feeling
of "aw" and excitement.
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And then you're
kind of like, ooh,
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OK, that's not something
you hear every day.
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Jada talks about having a
memory of life between lives.
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As she describes it
in her own words,
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it would be like
watching a slideshow.
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And she remembered
seeing who I would be,
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who her father would be, who her
sister would be, and that she,
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more or less, hand-picked us,
and that we would be the people
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that would best serve her
needs in her life as Jada--
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kind of making me go, OK,
you're quite aware of what you
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actually came here and chose.
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It wasn't just a random
type of a statement.
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She would back it up
with other things that
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made me begin to think, OK,
she's really remembering
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a different time.
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She's remembering
not being Jada.
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In our house, the girls
each have their own rooms.
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Jada has never once slept
in her own room ever.
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She would always
prefer to be with me.
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And that generally
shifts down the line.
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But this was something
very different.
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She just couldn't go
to sleep on her own.
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I'm Jada's sister, Jemma.
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And I'm 12.
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Jada always slept with me
or slept in my mom's bed.
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It's been that way for as
long as I can remember.
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It bothers me that she
comes into my room,
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because I like to
sleep like a starfish.
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It does worry me that she
can't sleep alone, because she
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should, by this age.
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But she's still too scared.
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It wasn't a fear of the dark.
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It wasn't one individual thing.
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It was just this whole idea
of being left somewhere
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by herself.
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It's not a spoiled-type thing.
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It's not a, oh, I just don't
want to sleep in my own room
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kind of thing.
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There's something else there.
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I noticed that she had
a very difficult time
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with being left on her own.
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Jada would always
have me go upstairs
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to the bathroom with her.
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If I went upstairs
to the bathroom,
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she would come with me.
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Unless she was deeply
engrossed in a movie or a show
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with her sister
sitting with her,
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I could slip out and maybe
go downstairs and do laundry.
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Jada told me often that
she was afraid to be alone.
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Jada always and still does
want my mom to be there.
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The weird thing was,
even though she doesn't like
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to be alone, Jada doesn't
like crowds either.
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She'd go into a crowd, but
she does not like crowds.
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And she's very vocal about
not liking crowds either.
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Even in the
schoolroom situation,
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she would have 25
students in her class.
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And for her, that's
just way too many.
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She's gotten more
accustomed to it.
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But she's still very
cautious if left in a crowd,
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like, say, with her dance class.
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What time are you
going to be back?
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Are you coming back?
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And she has another peculiar
thing where she will say,
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do you see this turning out OK?
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Do you see me getting
out of this situation?
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As a mom, you hate to see
your child afraid of anything.
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I just didn't know
how to help her.
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My name is Michele.
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I live in Virginia Beach.
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And my son is Andrew.
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Andrew is four.
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Virginia Beach is very well
known for the ocean front,
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a lot of fishing.
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It's very well known
also for the restaurants.
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I had a normal
pregnancy with Andrew.
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There was nothing
out of the ordinary.
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As a baby, Andrew
was very quiet.
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There would be
times where he would
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sleep for long periods of time.
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It was very different with
him sleeping all the time,
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because all my other
children were up every hour
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and a half, every two hours.
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I thought, OK, he's
wants to sleep.
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And everything was fine.
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But we became worried
when he would not
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wake up for his feedings.
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I was kind of concerned a
little bit because the periods
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of time that he would
sleep was abnormal.
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He lost
almost two pounds.
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I had taken him to the doctors.
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And the doctor said,
there's something
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wrong with your child.
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We were very scared.
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They ran tests.
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They did a brain scan.
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And everything came back normal.
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Eventually, everything was fine,
and he gained all the weight
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back.
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We were so relieved.
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Andrew was more advanced
than my other seven children.
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Andrew acted older than his age.
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He was doing stuff
ahead of time.
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He was walking before
he was a year old.
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And he was riding a
bike at the age of two
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without training wheels.
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He's always
been very bright.
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He'll have conversations with
you as if he were a little man.
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Some of the things
he'll talk to you
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about will kind of
put you back that it's
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coming from four-year-old.
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He just always seemed a little
bit well-behaved, not so
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rambunctious as most
toddlers his age would be.
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He was always well mannered
for someone as young as he is.
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The other children always
played with each other.
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Andrew played mostly by himself.
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I didn't really think
anything odd of it.
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All children are different.
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I call this the
secret power push.
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That
was his personality.
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That was just the way he was.
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It didn't worry me that
much until I heard him talking
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to people.
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I was sitting on a couch
watching TV at the time
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that Andrew had come into the
living room and said, Mom,
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I want you to meet my friend.
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And there was nobody there.
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He was adamant about it, telling
me, Mommy, you don't see him.
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I don't think she really
knew how to take it.
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And there's been other
occasions when he'll
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say he's talking to someone.
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It landed.
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At first, I thought it
was imaginary friend--
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until I realized
that it wasn't.
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When my son was
born, he slept more
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than any baby I've ever seen.
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I had taken him to the doctors.
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And the doctor said,
there's something
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wrong with your child.
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They ran tests.
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They did a brain scan.
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Everything came back normal.
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He was more advanced and
learned things a lot faster
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than your normal child.
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But when Andrew turned three,
something strange happened.
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When Andrew came to me
and introduced his friend,
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there was nobody there.
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He was adamant about it, telling
me, Mommy, you don't see him.
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And I said, no, I don't see him.
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I asked Andrew.
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I said, who are
you playing with?
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And I couldn't
believe his answer.
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He said Uncle Mike.
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She said, you're
talking to Uncle Mike?
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He said, yeah, he's here
with me, and we were playing.
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And he was watching over me.
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And it had kind of taken her
back because her and her uncle
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were very close.
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I was in shock.
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Andrew was only two years
old when my uncle passed away
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a year prior.
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He really didn't know him.
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Andrew is not the kind of
child that makes stories up.
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I asked him if he plays
with Uncle Mike often.
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He said, yes, all the time.
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My daughter, Eva, who
was eight years old,
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she saw him talking to no
one and ran out of the room
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and said, I'm
scared of him, Mom.
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I'm scared of Andrew.
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I couldn't see
what he was saying,
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and I wondered if it was
connected to something bigger
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than I couldn't explain.
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One day in November, I was
in a kitchen making dinner.
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And Andrew walks in and
starts crying hysterically.
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My first question to him
is, Andrew, are you OK?
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Did you get hurt?
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But he was physically OK.
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He wasn't hurt.
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It took me a good 20
minutes to calm him down.
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Andrew finally stopped crying.
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And he asked me, Mommy,
why did I die in that fire?
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I said, is this a dream?
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Did you have a dream last night?
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And he said no, Mommy.
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I picked Andrew up, and I
consoled him and told him
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that Mommy would never let
anything happen to him.
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It really didn't seem to
help because he was so upset.
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I kept holding him, but he
kept repeating over and over.
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Mommy, why did I
die in that fire?
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There was never any fire,
and I didn't understand
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what he was talking about.
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My wife called me and told me
he had approached her sobbing
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asking her why he
burned in a fire.
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She could see in his face
that he was very sincere.
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And so she started
to cry with him,
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trying to reassure him that
she wouldn't let that happen
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to him.
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I started crying.
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As a mother, you never
want to see your child hurt
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because the most important
job of any parent
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is to protect your child.
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I thought, at that age, that
it was very strange for a child
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to be talking about death.
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There is no way that
Andrew could have got this
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from watching TV because we
don't let him watch anything
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like that.
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When I got home that
night, me and Michele
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sat down and spoke more of it.
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And she was able to get more
into detail of what he had came
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to her and talk about.
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The more he talked,
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the more details he gave.
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Andrew told me that
he lived in Georgia.
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He kept saying semper.
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And he wore military clothing.
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And then he told me
how the fire started,
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and I could not believe my ears.
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Andrew had told me that there
was a bombing at his house
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and that's how he died.
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The way he talked to us, it was
like he was actually recalling
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something that happened to him.
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Where is this coming from?
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Jada was always very
adamant from day one
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about this knowledge that she
had chosen me as her mother
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and that she had
chosen her father.
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Jada has always been concerned
with the safety in our house.
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If we burn a fire, she's
not afraid of the fire.
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But she will ask, are
our fire alarms working?
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Have you changed the batteries?
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Is everything OK with that?
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It's uncanny how she
fears for her safety.
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And this is something that
has been going on for as long
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as she's been with us.
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I never really expected
her to grow out of this.
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I always had the feeling that
it would come to a head someday.
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I'm Shannon.
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And Mary Helen and I have been
best friends since college.
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I think Jada is a
wonderful little girl,
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and I love both of the
children very much.
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When I come and
visit Jada and Jemma,
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Jada always has little stories
to tell me that things happen
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to her in her dreams.
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People come and visit her.
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She hears noises.
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And she just tells
me the stories.
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But there are some things
that are just a little way
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out there.
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A few years ago, something
happened with Jada that really
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freaked me out.
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The girls and I had gone to
the Festival of the Fires
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in Ireland for several years.
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We had never participated in
marching in the parade or any
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of the bigger events because
the girls were so young.
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But when Jada was
six going on seven,
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they asked the children
to be in the parade, which
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marched around the big bonfire.
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The girls were excited,
and they agreed to do this.
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They got all dressed up.
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They were carrying
flags and banners.
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And the processional
started pretty far away
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from where the huge bonfire was.
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And it wound its
way up the hill,
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and then eventually,
everybody went and circled
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the big bonfire.
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In keeping with
Jada tradition, I
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had to walk alongside the
processional going up the hill
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so that Jada would
even participate.
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Everything was going
along smoothly.
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And people were chanting
and singing and dancing.
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And then they lit the bonfire.
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And at first, you could
hear the crackling,
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and the fire was kind of
building from the side that
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was opposite to where
we were standing.
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Then all of a sudden,
the fire took off,
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and the entire bonfire was lit.
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And within seconds, Jada
was screaming bloody murder.
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And she was rolling around on
the ground just screaming help,
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help, help, help.
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I wasn't far away, so I went
running straight over to her.
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So eventually, I had to
pick Jada up, throw her
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over my shoulder, and carry
her the entire way down.
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And this hill is a big hill.
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I was pretty upset
seeing her that way.
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She got in the car,
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and it was like
she'd seen a ghost.
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She was petrified.
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So I drove home.
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And I was trying to talk
to her the whole way home.
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And Jemma was holding her
hand, and she was trying
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to talk to her-- nothing.
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I mean, she was
absolutely beside herself.
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She had seen something.
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Something had happened in that
moment that absolutely changed
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her.
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I didn't really understand
what was going on for her,
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but I felt bad for her.
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This was not simply the
case of a little girl being
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frightened by a large crowd.
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This was serious
to the point where,
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if another medical
professional had been there,
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they would have thought
she was having some kind
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of a psychotic episode.
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The whole thing was
incredibly distressing.
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I have never been more afraid.
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My son, Andrew, said
a bomb hit his house
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and started the fire.
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He told me he was from Georgia
and kept repeating the words
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semper.
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We were so confused and scared.
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I began to wonder if he was
talking about a past life.
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This is Virginia Beach.
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We're in the South.
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The South is very religious,
and the idea of reincarnation
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is not accepted.
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I'm Catholic, so I never
really thought that much about
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reincarnation until my
son started telling me
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his story about fire.
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I just want to get
to the bottom of this
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and see where this
fire actually happened.
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I started doing research so I
could see if anything matched
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Andrew's story.
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He said there was
eight houses in a row,
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and they were bombed and then
a fire, and they were all gone.
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I found a story about two
children who had died in a fire
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that their mother had set.
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She was from Georgia.
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She tried to kill her husband
but accidentally killed
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her children.
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The family lived
on an Army base.
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Andrew had told me that
there was a row of houses,
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and that would be
common on a base.
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So that seemed like
a connection to me.
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Although that story was kind of
close, there was no explosion.
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So I decided to keep looking.
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This is a really tough thing
for me to read these stories,
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because I don't want my son
to have gone through something
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like this.
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But we need to solve
this not just for Andrew
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but for our entire family.
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Then somebody mentioned
to me what semper meant,
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and it set me in a
whole other direction.
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And then it became clear.
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It wasn't a story that I
wanted my son to be a part of.
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My daughter, Jada, talked
about choosing her parents
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in heaven.
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00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:32,265
And Jada was constantly
worried about danger
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around every corner.
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This was probably one of
the most horrific moments
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in my life, because there was
nothing I could do to help her.
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The worst thing was that
she wouldn't talk about it,
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so we had no way of
knowing what was going on.
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I don't know if Jada was
unable to talk about it,
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or she couldn't talk about it.
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We couldn't get her to come
back into reality and to focus.
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In the morning,
when she awakened,
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the first thing I wanted to
know was, what in the world
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00:21:09,647 --> 00:21:11,131
happened last night?
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She just kind of blanked me as
if to say, don't even go there.
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Jada wouldn't speak of it.
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As a mom, I wanted
to push Jada to tell me
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what was going on.
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But as a doctor, I recognized
that something else was
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happening here, and it
was better not to push her
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and to let her tell me what
had happened in her own time.
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Jada has always
been afraid of crowds.
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So it made sense
why she was nervous.
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00:21:39,436 --> 00:21:43,612
But the meltdown that Jada
had seemed out of proportion
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for just being in a crowd.
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Something was going on.
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For days after the incident
took place, I'd periodically
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check in with Jada and
see if she wanted to talk,
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because her clinginess,
it got so much worse.
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Mom?
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And it was quite obvious
to me that this was not
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00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,979
something that was going
to go away overnight.
436
00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:07,912
I spoke to some
friends and colleagues.
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And the general consensus
was it was no big deal.
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I shouldn't be worried and
that it probably would never
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happen to Jada again.
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About six months later, Jada
was taking a bath one Sunday
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morning.
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00:22:22,444 --> 00:22:23,376
Mom?
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And I was right
next to the bathroom
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where I could talk to her
and she could hear me.
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00:22:29,175 --> 00:22:32,143
Jada just suddenly
called me and said, Mom,
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00:22:32,178 --> 00:22:33,800
do you remember that day?
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Do you remember the fire?
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00:22:36,078 --> 00:22:39,565
And I hadn't thought about this
in months now at this stage.
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And I said, yeah, of
course I remember.
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And she said, do you want
to know why I got so upset?
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And I was absolutely
flabbergasted.
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00:22:48,263 --> 00:22:51,231
I couldn't believe that she was
talking so casually about it.
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It was like, again,
something had shifted.
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It was like this awareness
just came about her,
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and she could speak very
matter-of-factly about it.
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She wasn't crying.
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She was just suddenly ready
to tell me what happened.
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Jada says to me,
Mom, do you remember
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00:23:07,213 --> 00:23:09,042
when they turned on the fire?
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I agreed.
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00:23:09,871 --> 00:23:11,459
And I said, yes, I remember.
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00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:14,082
And she said, well,
I saw something.
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What did you see?
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00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:20,675
And she said it was like
a movie in my head except
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for it was outside of my eyes.
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00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:24,955
It was all around me.
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00:23:24,989 --> 00:23:28,337
It sounded like she was
having some kind of a vision.
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I said, what did you see?
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And she said, I saw men
with swords all around.
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And I saw men in robes,
and they were white robes.
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Some of them were holding tall
sticks with shiny gold crosses
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on the top.
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And she said they
were very, very scary.
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They were going to make me die.
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And so instead, I
walked into a big fire.
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And I said, what do you
mean you walked into a fire?
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She said, they were
going to kill me anyway.
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I actually gasped and
fell against the wall.
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It made complete sense to
me now how awful that night
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must have been for her.
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As her mom, I was
utterly horrified.
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00:24:17,007 --> 00:24:20,907
When Jada first started
talking about this incident,
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I didn't have any
idea what to expect.
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00:24:22,944 --> 00:24:25,118
I didn't know if
this was now over,
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if she had said what she
needed to say, and that was it,
486
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and we'd never hear
about it again.
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00:24:31,642 --> 00:24:35,646
But what actually happened
was the floodgates opened.
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Rather than becoming
frightened by this memory,
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she suddenly became
very curious and wanted
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00:24:43,171 --> 00:24:45,276
to know more about it.
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00:24:45,311 --> 00:24:48,141
Jada started drawing
a lot of pictures.
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00:24:48,176 --> 00:24:50,868
It was worrying to see
this kind of artwork
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00:24:50,903 --> 00:24:53,768
turning up in Jada's drawings.
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00:24:53,802 --> 00:24:56,874
Obviously, this was something
that was on her mind.
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00:25:04,123 --> 00:25:07,436
A lot of people would say that
this is a kid with a very vivid
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imagination.
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When I heard the story from Mary
Helen, the mask, the whole nine
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yards, there was fire--
499
00:25:13,581 --> 00:25:16,653
I thought Jada had probably
just seen a movie on TV
500
00:25:16,687 --> 00:25:17,861
about the KKK.
501
00:25:17,895 --> 00:25:21,727
That is my only explanation
that I could see.
502
00:25:21,761 --> 00:25:24,592
Once I began to connect
the night of the Festival
503
00:25:24,626 --> 00:25:28,768
of the Fire with this picture
that she continuously drew,
504
00:25:28,803 --> 00:25:33,532
I began to piece things together
from when she spoke of choosing
505
00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:36,707
me, choosing her father, her
sister, some of these fears
506
00:25:36,742 --> 00:25:40,642
and insecurities that seem just
a little bit beyond the normal
507
00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:41,850
for a child.
508
00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:44,473
All of a sudden, I began
to realize that we might
509
00:25:44,508 --> 00:25:46,441
be talking about a past life.
510
00:25:57,383 --> 00:26:00,075
My daughter Jada remembered
picking her parents.
511
00:26:00,110 --> 00:26:01,456
And it seemed like
she was always
512
00:26:01,490 --> 00:26:03,182
in a constant state of worry.
513
00:26:03,216 --> 00:26:05,564
After a traumatic
incident at a bonfire,
514
00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:08,739
she began having visions of
people being burned alive
515
00:26:08,774 --> 00:26:12,985
by men in white robes carrying
shiny gold crosses on sticks.
516
00:26:22,719 --> 00:26:25,273
This was definitely one of
the most horrific moments
517
00:26:25,307 --> 00:26:27,551
in my life, because I was
completely and utterly
518
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:28,517
out of control.
519
00:26:28,552 --> 00:26:30,761
I had no way to
help my little girl.
520
00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:33,764
It was really painful
to see her that way.
521
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,112
And there was
nothing I could do.
522
00:26:37,147 --> 00:26:39,805
I figured this had something to
do with religious persecution
523
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,254
because of the gold crosses.
524
00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:43,532
Her drawings and her
descriptions of them
525
00:26:43,567 --> 00:26:45,604
made it seem like it was
something that took place
526
00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:46,950
in the Middle Ages.
527
00:26:46,984 --> 00:26:49,987
I decided to focus on
the robe and the crosses
528
00:26:50,022 --> 00:26:52,507
and the fire from her pictures.
529
00:26:52,541 --> 00:26:55,821
My research ended up taking me
to a place high in the Pyrenees
530
00:26:55,855 --> 00:26:59,652
in France to a place
called Montsegur.
531
00:26:59,687 --> 00:27:02,862
A sect of people lived
there called the Cathars.
532
00:27:02,897 --> 00:27:05,900
They were persecuted by the
Christians during the Crusades
533
00:27:05,934 --> 00:27:07,418
in 1244.
534
00:27:07,453 --> 00:27:09,489
The Cathars were a
group of people who
535
00:27:09,524 --> 00:27:11,768
had very high moral standards.
536
00:27:11,802 --> 00:27:15,564
They were persecuted by
the Christians for the fact
537
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,707
that they didn't follow
the Catholic Church.
538
00:27:19,741 --> 00:27:23,262
High on a hill over 3,000
feet in the Pyrenees
539
00:27:23,296 --> 00:27:27,438
was the last stronghold
of the Cathars in 1244.
540
00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:29,958
And when I saw a
picture of Montsegur,
541
00:27:29,993 --> 00:27:34,135
it looked strangely similar
to the hill of Uisneach
542
00:27:34,169 --> 00:27:36,827
where the Festival of
Fires had taken place
543
00:27:36,862 --> 00:27:40,797
and Jada had her traumatic
memory of being burned alive.
544
00:27:40,831 --> 00:27:43,144
The Cathars were
given a choice where
545
00:27:43,178 --> 00:27:46,009
they could have gold crosses
stitched to their clothing
546
00:27:46,043 --> 00:27:48,459
and they would profess to
convert to Christianity,
547
00:27:48,494 --> 00:27:51,497
or they were going to be
tortured and burned alive.
548
00:27:51,531 --> 00:27:55,432
So in an act of defiance, the
last remaining group of Cathars
549
00:27:55,466 --> 00:27:57,399
walked themselves into fire.
550
00:28:03,164 --> 00:28:05,684
It took me a long
time to work out
551
00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:08,548
exactly what about the
Festival of the Fires
552
00:28:08,583 --> 00:28:10,205
triggered the memory for Jada.
553
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,449
Before, we had just
been spectators.
554
00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:14,900
This time, they walked
towards the fire
555
00:28:14,934 --> 00:28:18,627
the very same way that
the Cathars in Montsegur
556
00:28:18,662 --> 00:28:22,562
had walked or marched themselves
into the fire at the end
557
00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:23,805
in 1244.
558
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,533
So it was never a fear
of fire that she had.
559
00:28:27,567 --> 00:28:31,848
It was this specific act
of walking to a fire that
560
00:28:31,882 --> 00:28:34,747
triggered the memory for her
of walking in and being burned
561
00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:36,473
alive.
562
00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,786
We live in a small
town in Virginia.
563
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:42,099
And reincarnation is not
something we all believe.
564
00:28:42,134 --> 00:28:45,516
I love Mary Helen and the
girls, but I just wasn't sure
565
00:28:45,551 --> 00:28:48,174
if it was a past
life experience.
566
00:28:48,209 --> 00:28:51,108
In the course of my
research, I discussed with Jada
567
00:28:51,143 --> 00:28:52,627
what I had found out.
568
00:28:52,661 --> 00:28:55,319
And it all seemed
very familiar to her.
569
00:28:55,354 --> 00:28:58,495
She started filling in
the gaps in the story line
570
00:28:58,529 --> 00:29:01,222
as I would tell her things
that I had read in my research
571
00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:02,361
and discovered.
572
00:29:02,395 --> 00:29:03,949
And she'd go, oh, yes,
and so-and-so was there,
573
00:29:03,983 --> 00:29:05,467
and this is what
they were carrying.
574
00:29:05,502 --> 00:29:07,193
And this is what it
looked like, and this
575
00:29:07,228 --> 00:29:08,608
is what it smelled like.
576
00:29:08,643 --> 00:29:12,060
And it wasn't just listening to
my story and nodding the head.
577
00:29:12,095 --> 00:29:15,339
It was she'd heard this story
before because she'd lived it,
578
00:29:15,374 --> 00:29:18,239
and she was telling me
what really happened there.
579
00:29:18,273 --> 00:29:20,068
She knew that this was real.
580
00:29:20,103 --> 00:29:25,591
And it wasn't too long before
I knew this was real as well.
581
00:29:25,625 --> 00:29:26,730
I'm Jada.
582
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:28,387
I'm 10.
583
00:29:28,421 --> 00:29:32,667
I got upset because
people were fighting,
584
00:29:32,701 --> 00:29:35,843
and people had crosses.
585
00:29:35,877 --> 00:29:38,017
Some of them were
in white stuff.
586
00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:39,674
Some of them weren't.
587
00:29:39,708 --> 00:29:43,471
I was really scared because
I could remember them.
588
00:29:43,505 --> 00:29:46,577
They attacked me because
I wasn't Christian.
589
00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:48,787
They tried to make me one.
590
00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:53,274
They said that if I would become
one, they wouldn't kill me.
591
00:29:53,308 --> 00:29:56,415
And if I didn't become
one, they would kill me.
592
00:29:56,449 --> 00:29:59,521
So I walked into
the fire all myself
593
00:29:59,556 --> 00:30:03,422
because I didn't want
them to push me into it.
594
00:30:03,456 --> 00:30:06,563
When I'm at a big, big
bonfire like it was there--
595
00:30:06,597 --> 00:30:09,152
when I got burned,
it was a big fire.
596
00:30:09,186 --> 00:30:11,913
It wasn't just a little
fire that would burn you.
597
00:30:11,948 --> 00:30:16,262
So when I go to big
festivals and a big fire,
598
00:30:16,297 --> 00:30:17,850
it gives me the shivers.
599
00:30:17,885 --> 00:30:22,855
When I'm around small fires
like a fireplace, I'm OK.
600
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:25,927
This whole thing made
Jada aware of her old life.
601
00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:29,206
It didn't change her personality
like the way she got up
602
00:30:29,241 --> 00:30:31,070
in the morning or her dreams.
603
00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:32,969
It just made her more aware.
604
00:30:33,003 --> 00:30:36,179
I want her to get help so
she's not so scared anymore.
605
00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:38,595
There
is an element of closure
606
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,909
that still needs to take
place with this story.
607
00:30:41,943 --> 00:30:44,704
I know that I need
to find a way for Jada
608
00:30:44,739 --> 00:30:47,535
to release the hold that this
past life still has on her.
609
00:30:55,405 --> 00:30:57,821
My daughter, Jada, believes
that she was burned alive
610
00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,098
in 13th century France.
611
00:31:05,794 --> 00:31:09,005
I want Jada to be able to
release these horrible images
612
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,593
about her past life that
are still in her head.
613
00:31:11,628 --> 00:31:14,942
I can't say I'm on
board with reincarnation.
614
00:31:14,976 --> 00:31:18,014
But I will always be on board
with Mary Helen and the girls.
615
00:31:18,048 --> 00:31:20,188
What happened to the Cathars
616
00:31:20,223 --> 00:31:25,745
in Montsegur in 1244 is a very
important part of history.
617
00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:28,921
But I want Jada to be able
to put these memories to rest
618
00:31:28,956 --> 00:31:30,923
and to be able to move
on with her own life
619
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:34,685
without having the weight
of that terrible death
620
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,791
hanging over her
at all times so she
621
00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,275
can be successful in this life.
622
00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:48,009
I'm going to ask Jada to make a
list of the things that affect
623
00:31:48,044 --> 00:31:49,390
her from her past life.
624
00:31:49,424 --> 00:31:51,047
And we're going to
take those, and we're
625
00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:54,602
going to turn them to ashes
so that they don't bother you
626
00:31:54,636 --> 00:31:56,190
any more.
627
00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:57,018
OK?
628
00:31:57,053 --> 00:31:57,846
OK.
629
00:31:57,881 --> 00:31:58,917
OK.
630
00:31:58,951 --> 00:32:01,057
What scares her, what
makes her anxious,
631
00:32:01,091 --> 00:32:04,508
what makes her fearful in this
lifetime-- so what would number
632
00:32:04,543 --> 00:32:05,958
one be?
633
00:32:05,993 --> 00:32:13,586
Being alone, locking doors,
sleeping alone, the dark,
634
00:32:13,621 --> 00:32:16,658
being in a crowd.
635
00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:17,832
That's 10.
636
00:32:17,866 --> 00:32:19,696
That's great.
637
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:23,527
OK, so here's what
we're going to do.
638
00:32:23,562 --> 00:32:25,426
We're going to take that list.
639
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:27,566
And how about you
fold that up for me?
640
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:33,986
OK.
641
00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:37,403
And now by putting
fire to that, you're
642
00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:40,337
telling all those bad
memories from the past
643
00:32:40,372 --> 00:32:42,926
that you're releasing
them and letting them go.
644
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,895
And it's time to get on with
your life as Jada today.
645
00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:47,689
OK?
646
00:32:47,724 --> 00:32:48,621
OK.
647
00:32:48,656 --> 00:32:49,657
All right.
648
00:32:49,691 --> 00:32:51,279
Bye-bye, past memories.
649
00:32:51,314 --> 00:32:52,004
OK.
650
00:32:56,077 --> 00:32:58,045
Awesome.
651
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,875
She was destroyed by
the fire in her past life.
652
00:33:00,909 --> 00:33:03,257
But now the fire
will set her free.
653
00:33:03,291 --> 00:33:07,330
And maybe, just maybe, I might
be able to sleep a whole night
654
00:33:07,364 --> 00:33:09,021
alone in my own bed.
655
00:33:09,056 --> 00:33:11,127
Do you know who else I have?
656
00:33:11,161 --> 00:33:13,819
Who?
657
00:33:13,853 --> 00:33:18,030
The man in the robe, will
we return him to the fire
658
00:33:18,065 --> 00:33:19,066
from where he came?
659
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:19,894
OK.
660
00:33:30,284 --> 00:33:33,425
How about say, the
past is in the past?
661
00:33:33,459 --> 00:33:35,737
The past is in the past.
662
00:33:35,772 --> 00:33:37,360
And it can never hurt me.
663
00:33:37,394 --> 00:33:40,018
And it can never hurt me.
664
00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:42,572
Time to be just Jada.
665
00:33:42,606 --> 00:33:44,539
Time to just Jada.
666
00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:56,068
My mom and I burned the paper
of the man in the white suit
667
00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:59,727
and all my fears
of my past lives.
668
00:33:59,761 --> 00:34:04,835
So I do think burning them
will help my fears go away.
669
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:07,459
I do feel more safe
now that I burned them.
670
00:34:16,157 --> 00:34:19,919
Now that I've burned
my past memories,
671
00:34:19,954 --> 00:34:24,131
I want to stand up for people
who need help in this life.
672
00:34:32,898 --> 00:34:35,452
My son, Andrew, told
me that there was an explosion
673
00:34:35,487 --> 00:34:36,246
where he lived.
674
00:34:36,281 --> 00:34:39,560
And he died in a fire.
675
00:34:39,594 --> 00:34:42,632
He said he was from Georgia and
kept repeating the word semper.
676
00:34:49,294 --> 00:34:52,159
At first, I didn't know what
semper was until I researched
677
00:34:52,193 --> 00:34:53,539
it.
678
00:34:53,574 --> 00:34:56,922
Come to find out, semper fi
is the motto for the Marines.
679
00:34:56,956 --> 00:34:59,545
Andrew had mentioned
wearing a military uniform.
680
00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:03,480
I then typed in Marines from
Georgia killed when a bomb hit
681
00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:04,481
their home.
682
00:35:04,516 --> 00:35:07,105
And I couldn't
believe what came up.
683
00:35:07,139 --> 00:35:09,659
The bombing of the
Marine barracks in Beirut
684
00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,937
happened in 1983.
685
00:35:11,971 --> 00:35:14,422
300 service members
lived in a building
686
00:35:14,457 --> 00:35:16,976
that was hit by a truck bomb.
687
00:35:17,011 --> 00:35:20,152
220 Marines and
21 other personnel
688
00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:22,706
were killed in the bombings.
689
00:35:22,741 --> 00:35:25,157
It was the largest
death toll of Marines
690
00:35:25,192 --> 00:35:27,642
since the battle of Iwo
Jima in World War II.
691
00:35:30,956 --> 00:35:34,649
It made me really sad to see
how all these families had lost
692
00:35:34,684 --> 00:35:35,857
their sons.
693
00:35:35,892 --> 00:35:37,652
But I wanted to keep looking.
694
00:35:37,687 --> 00:35:41,173
I found a list of the Marines
who had died that day.
695
00:35:41,208 --> 00:35:44,659
There were six from
Georgia, six young men.
696
00:35:44,694 --> 00:35:46,144
I just wanted to cry.
697
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:48,456
I was so, so upset.
698
00:35:48,491 --> 00:35:51,252
I really wondered if this could
be this story, if he could
699
00:35:51,287 --> 00:35:55,083
be one of the six Marines from
Georgia that had died that day.
700
00:35:57,879 --> 00:36:00,019
As a parent, I was
concerned for him
701
00:36:00,054 --> 00:36:05,542
because he had recollection
of him passing away in a fire.
702
00:36:05,577 --> 00:36:07,579
And anything I
could do to help him
703
00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:09,615
understand, it was
definitely something
704
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:13,171
I was looking to do for him to
have closure so he could move
705
00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:16,312
on with his life when he's
not even five years old yet.
706
00:36:16,346 --> 00:36:18,417
He's not even in kindergarten.
707
00:36:18,452 --> 00:36:22,318
I have decided to show
Andrew pictures of the Marines.
708
00:36:22,352 --> 00:36:24,492
I want to see if
he recognizes any
709
00:36:24,527 --> 00:36:26,598
of the people in the photos.
710
00:36:26,632 --> 00:36:30,222
If he does recognize anybody,
maybe we can find a way for him
711
00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:32,259
to let go of his pain.
712
00:36:32,293 --> 00:36:34,364
If he doesn't recognize
anyone, I still
713
00:36:34,399 --> 00:36:36,297
want to find a way to help him.
714
00:36:36,332 --> 00:36:39,197
I want him to feel safe
in his current life.
715
00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:41,785
I have to do this
for my little boy.
716
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:43,408
I don't know what will
happen if I don't.
717
00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:56,110
Since age three, Andrew
has talked about dying
718
00:36:56,144 --> 00:36:58,664
in a fire from an explosion.
719
00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:00,494
He repeatedly said
the word semper
720
00:37:00,528 --> 00:37:02,254
and told us he was from Georgia.
721
00:37:02,289 --> 00:37:05,188
After doing a lot of research,
I have found a few stories that
722
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:06,569
match what Andrew was saying.
723
00:37:06,603 --> 00:37:09,261
There was a bombing in Beirut
where six Marines from Georgia
724
00:37:09,296 --> 00:37:10,055
were killed.
725
00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:21,549
I do believe that Andrew is
experiencing a past life,
726
00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:23,931
and the memories
are haunting him.
727
00:37:23,965 --> 00:37:27,348
I decide to show him pictures
of the six Marines from Georgia
728
00:37:27,383 --> 00:37:29,281
that had died in Beirut.
729
00:37:29,316 --> 00:37:32,180
I'm hoping that this is
going to resolve his issues.
730
00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:34,493
This will be our first step
by looking at the pictures
731
00:37:34,528 --> 00:37:37,807
to get to this resolution.
732
00:37:37,841 --> 00:37:39,464
You know what we're going to do?
- What?
733
00:37:39,498 --> 00:37:42,087
We're going to open this
up and show you pictures.
734
00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:44,779
And you're going to show me
if you know who they are, OK?
735
00:37:44,814 --> 00:37:45,504
OK.
736
00:37:47,955 --> 00:37:50,233
Let's see.
737
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,441
How about him?
738
00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:57,205
So you've
seen him before?
739
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:57,930
Yeah.
740
00:38:00,312 --> 00:38:01,555
Were
these your friends?
741
00:38:04,247 --> 00:38:05,697
They were?
742
00:38:05,731 --> 00:38:07,457
Yes.
743
00:38:07,492 --> 00:38:08,838
Which one was your friend?
744
00:38:08,872 --> 00:38:10,322
Which one were you
friends with a lot?
745
00:38:14,844 --> 00:38:16,397
But he
lived in Georgia.
746
00:38:20,712 --> 00:38:21,402
With you?
747
00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:23,128
That person did?
748
00:38:24,267 --> 00:38:26,200
What about any of
the other gentlemen?
749
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,168
That's bad, buddy.
750
00:38:29,203 --> 00:38:30,031
Are you getting upset?
751
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:32,240
What's the matter?
752
00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:34,795
Look, we'll
put the picture away.
753
00:38:34,829 --> 00:38:38,108
I'm feeling overwhelmed
right now at what Andrew just
754
00:38:38,143 --> 00:38:40,939
revealed to us.
755
00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:44,805
I'm feeling sadness and sorrow.
756
00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:48,084
Don't worry, buddy.
757
00:38:48,118 --> 00:38:50,949
The point of doing
this research for Andrew
758
00:38:50,983 --> 00:38:54,332
was to help him
not to upset him.
759
00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:57,714
I just don't want to see
him going through this.
760
00:39:01,304 --> 00:39:04,376
When Andrew first us
was telling us about it,
761
00:39:04,411 --> 00:39:08,691
it was very scary to hear
him talk about dying.
762
00:39:08,725 --> 00:39:11,452
I guess the more that we
talk about it, the more we
763
00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:15,870
try to understand it and
try to help him through it.
764
00:39:15,905 --> 00:39:17,251
I would say I
believe Andrew now.
765
00:39:25,293 --> 00:39:27,503
After Andrew saw
the picture of the man
766
00:39:27,537 --> 00:39:30,471
that he claims he
is, he's been talking
767
00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:33,681
a lot about the cemetery
and how he wants to go
768
00:39:33,716 --> 00:39:36,408
see where this man is buried.
769
00:39:44,692 --> 00:39:47,246
I want
this trip to go well.
770
00:39:47,281 --> 00:39:51,078
I'm nervous because I don't
want him to have those memories.
771
00:39:51,112 --> 00:39:53,183
We came here to Georgia
772
00:39:53,218 --> 00:39:56,635
to see where this man is buried.
773
00:39:56,670 --> 00:40:01,295
I am hopeful that Andrew can
say goodbye to his past life.
774
00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:06,438
I hope that today is something
that he'll be able to do that.
775
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:07,957
for these flowers.
776
00:40:29,496 --> 00:40:33,500
It was a little emotional
to see Andrew at the grave.
777
00:40:33,534 --> 00:40:37,365
To see him standing there
and being next to it
778
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,990
was definitely something
I wasn't expecting.
779
00:40:41,024 --> 00:40:43,371
I feel that he got what
he needed out of it.
780
00:40:43,406 --> 00:40:45,684
Seeing Andrew walking
around the cemetery
781
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,722
had made me feel relieved.
782
00:40:48,756 --> 00:40:50,551
He wasn't scared.
783
00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:51,690
He was OK.
784
00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:54,072
I'm definitely glad
that me and my family
785
00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:58,421
were able to make the trip and
do this for Andrew as a family
786
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,631
so he knows we're all here
to support him and be there
787
00:41:01,666 --> 00:41:02,563
for him no matter what.
788
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:13,609
I just want to see
Andrew play, have fun,
789
00:41:13,643 --> 00:41:15,058
be a normal four-year-old.
790
00:41:15,093 --> 00:41:16,508
Whoa.
791
00:41:16,543 --> 00:41:17,475
I got you, Dad.
792
00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:18,855
You tagged me.
793
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:21,858
I see a bright
future for Andrew.
794
00:41:21,893 --> 00:41:24,689
I feel that this experience and
some of the knowledge that he
795
00:41:24,723 --> 00:41:30,246
has at the age that he is will
only blossom as the years come.
796
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,247
No hands.
797
00:41:31,281 --> 00:41:33,629
I think I see
great things for him.
798
00:41:33,663 --> 00:41:35,838
I feel that Andrew
is in a good place now,
799
00:41:35,872 --> 00:41:39,186
and he's going to move on.
800
00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,119
I'm looking forward
to the future,
801
00:41:41,153 --> 00:41:46,193
and I'm very excited to see what
life has planned ahead for him.
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