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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,358 --> 00:00:14,704 Andrew said, Mom, 2 00:00:14,738 --> 00:00:15,981 I want you to meet my friend. 3 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:17,293 There was nobody there. 4 00:00:17,327 --> 00:00:19,605 She talked about picking her father or picking me. 5 00:00:22,332 --> 00:00:23,954 All of a sudden, the fire took off-- 6 00:00:23,989 --> 00:00:24,886 whoosh. 7 00:00:24,921 --> 00:00:28,200 Jada was screaming bloody murder. 8 00:00:28,235 --> 00:00:30,892 Andrew told me that there was a bombing at his house 9 00:00:30,927 --> 00:00:32,860 and that's how he died. 10 00:00:32,894 --> 00:00:35,725 And she said I saw men in robes and some of them 11 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,798 were holding tall sticks with shiny gold crosses on the top-- 12 00:00:39,832 --> 00:00:42,732 It wasn't a story that I wanted my son to be a part of. 13 00:00:42,766 --> 00:00:44,872 She's remembering not being Jada. 14 00:00:44,906 --> 00:00:46,253 Doctors said, there's something 15 00:00:46,287 --> 00:00:48,600 wrong with your child. 16 00:00:48,634 --> 00:00:49,842 Where was this coming from? 17 00:00:49,877 --> 00:00:51,189 We were very scared. 18 00:00:51,223 --> 00:00:53,984 This was probably one of the most horrific moments 19 00:00:54,019 --> 00:00:57,160 in my life, because there was nothing I could do to help her. 20 00:01:09,172 --> 00:01:10,380 My name is Mary Helen. 21 00:01:10,415 --> 00:01:12,934 I grew up in Martinsville, Virginia. 22 00:01:12,969 --> 00:01:15,316 Martinsville is located in southwest Virginia. 23 00:01:15,351 --> 00:01:18,285 It was a really fun place to grow up as a child, very safe, 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,254 kind of quiet and mild in terms of crime or anything 25 00:01:22,289 --> 00:01:23,773 that would not be safe for children. 26 00:01:23,807 --> 00:01:27,604 So it was it was a great place to grow up. 27 00:01:27,639 --> 00:01:30,676 I have two daughters, Jemma and Jada. 28 00:01:30,711 --> 00:01:34,715 My pregnancy with Jada was unusual from the beginning. 29 00:01:34,749 --> 00:01:36,786 I was just sick constantly. 30 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:39,409 I developed a hernia because I just threw up constantly. 31 00:01:39,444 --> 00:01:40,893 It was a very hard time physically. 32 00:01:43,172 --> 00:01:46,347 Three weeks before I was due to give birth to Jada, 33 00:01:46,382 --> 00:01:48,038 I was really, really sick. 34 00:01:48,073 --> 00:01:52,008 I had a horrible chest infection and a very severe case 35 00:01:52,042 --> 00:01:53,078 of bronchitis. 36 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:56,702 And I just had a burning heat in my chest. 37 00:01:56,737 --> 00:02:00,637 It felt like I was coughing up broken glass. 38 00:02:00,672 --> 00:02:06,712 And then that morning at 4 o'clock, my water broke. 39 00:02:06,747 --> 00:02:08,507 She came very quickly. 40 00:02:08,542 --> 00:02:09,301 I was good. 41 00:02:09,336 --> 00:02:10,613 She was good. 42 00:02:10,647 --> 00:02:13,133 Literally, it was a couple of pushes, and she was out. 43 00:02:13,167 --> 00:02:15,238 We have always called Jada the bird. 44 00:02:15,273 --> 00:02:17,723 I nicknamed her that because, when she came out, 45 00:02:17,758 --> 00:02:21,313 the midwife joked that she shot out so fast that she flew 46 00:02:21,348 --> 00:02:22,832 across the room. 47 00:02:22,866 --> 00:02:26,180 She was a quiet baby, just smiled all the time. 48 00:02:26,215 --> 00:02:29,942 She never really cried unless something was actually wrong. 49 00:02:29,977 --> 00:02:32,255 And she was a very shy little girl, 50 00:02:32,290 --> 00:02:36,432 very happy, but very quiet. 51 00:02:36,466 --> 00:02:39,193 Their father was from New Zealand. 52 00:02:39,228 --> 00:02:41,816 And he left to go back to New Zealand. 53 00:02:41,851 --> 00:02:44,371 So from the time they were three and one, then I was on my own 54 00:02:44,405 --> 00:02:45,682 with them. 55 00:02:45,717 --> 00:02:47,960 And they go to New Zealand half the year to visit him. 56 00:02:53,103 --> 00:02:57,142 Jada has been telling me since she was about three years old 57 00:02:57,177 --> 00:03:01,181 that she was glad she picked me as her mother. 58 00:03:01,215 --> 00:03:04,391 She talked about picking her father or picking me. 59 00:03:04,425 --> 00:03:05,806 This is something she's been doing 60 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,980 since she's been able to speak. 61 00:03:08,015 --> 00:03:10,673 There's that feeling of "aw" and excitement. 62 00:03:10,707 --> 00:03:12,640 And then you're kind of like, ooh, 63 00:03:12,675 --> 00:03:15,747 OK, that's not something you hear every day. 64 00:03:15,781 --> 00:03:22,685 Jada talks about having a memory of life between lives. 65 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:24,514 As she describes it in her own words, 66 00:03:24,549 --> 00:03:27,207 it would be like watching a slideshow. 67 00:03:27,241 --> 00:03:30,244 And she remembered seeing who I would be, 68 00:03:30,279 --> 00:03:34,386 who her father would be, who her sister would be, and that she, 69 00:03:34,421 --> 00:03:38,079 more or less, hand-picked us, and that we would be the people 70 00:03:38,114 --> 00:03:41,980 that would best serve her needs in her life as Jada-- 71 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:44,845 kind of making me go, OK, you're quite aware of what you 72 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,087 actually came here and chose. 73 00:03:49,090 --> 00:03:51,403 It wasn't just a random type of a statement. 74 00:03:51,438 --> 00:03:54,234 She would back it up with other things that 75 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:58,859 made me begin to think, OK, she's really remembering 76 00:03:58,893 --> 00:03:59,791 a different time. 77 00:03:59,825 --> 00:04:01,896 She's remembering not being Jada. 78 00:04:04,934 --> 00:04:07,833 In our house, the girls each have their own rooms. 79 00:04:07,868 --> 00:04:13,080 Jada has never once slept in her own room ever. 80 00:04:13,114 --> 00:04:16,497 She would always prefer to be with me. 81 00:04:16,532 --> 00:04:19,845 And that generally shifts down the line. 82 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,158 But this was something very different. 83 00:04:22,192 --> 00:04:24,988 She just couldn't go to sleep on her own. 84 00:04:28,682 --> 00:04:30,028 I'm Jada's sister, Jemma. 85 00:04:30,062 --> 00:04:31,374 And I'm 12. 86 00:04:31,409 --> 00:04:34,653 Jada always slept with me or slept in my mom's bed. 87 00:04:34,688 --> 00:04:37,656 It's been that way for as long as I can remember. 88 00:04:37,691 --> 00:04:40,383 It bothers me that she comes into my room, 89 00:04:40,418 --> 00:04:43,904 because I like to sleep like a starfish. 90 00:04:43,938 --> 00:04:47,217 It does worry me that she can't sleep alone, because she 91 00:04:47,252 --> 00:04:49,012 should, by this age. 92 00:04:49,047 --> 00:04:52,740 But she's still too scared. 93 00:04:52,775 --> 00:04:56,986 It wasn't a fear of the dark. 94 00:04:57,020 --> 00:04:59,989 It wasn't one individual thing. 95 00:05:00,023 --> 00:05:04,200 It was just this whole idea of being left somewhere 96 00:05:04,234 --> 00:05:05,719 by herself. 97 00:05:05,753 --> 00:05:07,514 It's not a spoiled-type thing. 98 00:05:07,548 --> 00:05:10,379 It's not a, oh, I just don't want to sleep in my own room 99 00:05:10,413 --> 00:05:11,241 kind of thing. 100 00:05:11,276 --> 00:05:14,348 There's something else there. 101 00:05:14,383 --> 00:05:17,869 I noticed that she had a very difficult time 102 00:05:17,903 --> 00:05:20,527 with being left on her own. 103 00:05:20,561 --> 00:05:23,115 Jada would always have me go upstairs 104 00:05:23,150 --> 00:05:24,496 to the bathroom with her. 105 00:05:24,531 --> 00:05:26,153 If I went upstairs to the bathroom, 106 00:05:26,187 --> 00:05:27,499 she would come with me. 107 00:05:27,534 --> 00:05:31,779 Unless she was deeply engrossed in a movie or a show 108 00:05:31,814 --> 00:05:33,609 with her sister sitting with her, 109 00:05:33,643 --> 00:05:37,440 I could slip out and maybe go downstairs and do laundry. 110 00:05:37,475 --> 00:05:40,443 Jada told me often that she was afraid to be alone. 111 00:05:40,478 --> 00:05:45,724 Jada always and still does want my mom to be there. 112 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:48,278 The weird thing was, even though she doesn't like 113 00:05:48,313 --> 00:05:51,143 to be alone, Jada doesn't like crowds either. 114 00:05:51,178 --> 00:05:54,284 She'd go into a crowd, but she does not like crowds. 115 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:56,942 And she's very vocal about not liking crowds either. 116 00:05:56,977 --> 00:05:59,393 Even in the schoolroom situation, 117 00:05:59,428 --> 00:06:01,844 she would have 25 students in her class. 118 00:06:01,878 --> 00:06:05,019 And for her, that's just way too many. 119 00:06:05,054 --> 00:06:06,711 She's gotten more accustomed to it. 120 00:06:06,745 --> 00:06:09,955 But she's still very cautious if left in a crowd, 121 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:11,543 like, say, with her dance class. 122 00:06:11,578 --> 00:06:12,993 What time are you going to be back? 123 00:06:13,027 --> 00:06:14,304 Are you coming back? 124 00:06:14,339 --> 00:06:16,617 And she has another peculiar thing where she will say, 125 00:06:16,652 --> 00:06:19,344 do you see this turning out OK? 126 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:23,693 Do you see me getting out of this situation? 127 00:06:23,728 --> 00:06:26,938 As a mom, you hate to see your child afraid of anything. 128 00:06:26,972 --> 00:06:28,422 I just didn't know how to help her. 129 00:06:43,817 --> 00:06:44,783 My name is Michele. 130 00:06:44,818 --> 00:06:46,267 I live in Virginia Beach. 131 00:06:46,302 --> 00:06:48,028 And my son is Andrew. 132 00:06:48,062 --> 00:06:50,755 Andrew is four. 133 00:06:50,789 --> 00:06:54,690 Virginia Beach is very well known for the ocean front, 134 00:06:54,724 --> 00:06:56,277 a lot of fishing. 135 00:06:56,312 --> 00:06:58,452 It's very well known also for the restaurants. 136 00:07:04,941 --> 00:07:08,600 I had a normal pregnancy with Andrew. 137 00:07:08,635 --> 00:07:11,051 There was nothing out of the ordinary. 138 00:07:11,085 --> 00:07:13,260 As a baby, Andrew was very quiet. 139 00:07:13,294 --> 00:07:14,710 There would be times where he would 140 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:18,127 sleep for long periods of time. 141 00:07:18,161 --> 00:07:20,612 It was very different with him sleeping all the time, 142 00:07:20,647 --> 00:07:23,581 because all my other children were up every hour 143 00:07:23,615 --> 00:07:25,479 and a half, every two hours. 144 00:07:25,514 --> 00:07:29,932 I thought, OK, he's wants to sleep. 145 00:07:29,966 --> 00:07:30,898 And everything was fine. 146 00:07:35,593 --> 00:07:37,629 But we became worried when he would not 147 00:07:37,664 --> 00:07:39,389 wake up for his feedings. 148 00:07:39,424 --> 00:07:42,358 I was kind of concerned a little bit because the periods 149 00:07:42,392 --> 00:07:44,774 of time that he would sleep was abnormal. 150 00:07:44,809 --> 00:07:47,190 He lost almost two pounds. 151 00:07:47,225 --> 00:07:49,089 I had taken him to the doctors. 152 00:07:49,123 --> 00:07:51,125 And the doctor said, there's something 153 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,783 wrong with your child. 154 00:07:53,818 --> 00:07:54,715 We were very scared. 155 00:07:57,407 --> 00:07:58,270 They ran tests. 156 00:07:58,305 --> 00:07:59,720 They did a brain scan. 157 00:07:59,755 --> 00:08:01,653 And everything came back normal. 158 00:08:01,688 --> 00:08:04,276 Eventually, everything was fine, and he gained all the weight 159 00:08:04,311 --> 00:08:05,070 back. 160 00:08:05,105 --> 00:08:06,658 We were so relieved. 161 00:08:09,523 --> 00:08:13,562 Andrew was more advanced than my other seven children. 162 00:08:13,596 --> 00:08:15,736 Andrew acted older than his age. 163 00:08:15,771 --> 00:08:18,808 He was doing stuff ahead of time. 164 00:08:18,843 --> 00:08:21,466 He was walking before he was a year old. 165 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:24,434 And he was riding a bike at the age of two 166 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:25,435 without training wheels. 167 00:08:28,438 --> 00:08:30,440 He's always been very bright. 168 00:08:30,475 --> 00:08:34,859 He'll have conversations with you as if he were a little man. 169 00:08:34,893 --> 00:08:36,377 Some of the things he'll talk to you 170 00:08:36,412 --> 00:08:39,001 about will kind of put you back that it's 171 00:08:39,035 --> 00:08:41,348 coming from four-year-old. 172 00:08:41,382 --> 00:08:44,524 He just always seemed a little bit well-behaved, not so 173 00:08:44,558 --> 00:08:50,460 rambunctious as most toddlers his age would be. 174 00:08:50,495 --> 00:08:55,017 He was always well mannered for someone as young as he is. 175 00:08:55,051 --> 00:08:58,399 The other children always played with each other. 176 00:08:58,434 --> 00:09:00,540 Andrew played mostly by himself. 177 00:09:04,992 --> 00:09:07,063 I didn't really think anything odd of it. 178 00:09:07,098 --> 00:09:08,720 All children are different. 179 00:09:08,755 --> 00:09:11,585 I call this the secret power push. 180 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:13,380 That was his personality. 181 00:09:13,414 --> 00:09:16,590 That was just the way he was. 182 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:21,250 It didn't worry me that much until I heard him talking 183 00:09:21,284 --> 00:09:21,975 to people. 184 00:09:25,841 --> 00:09:29,569 I was sitting on a couch watching TV at the time 185 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:33,055 that Andrew had come into the living room and said, Mom, 186 00:09:33,089 --> 00:09:35,782 I want you to meet my friend. 187 00:09:35,816 --> 00:09:38,750 And there was nobody there. 188 00:09:38,785 --> 00:09:44,894 He was adamant about it, telling me, Mommy, you don't see him. 189 00:09:44,929 --> 00:09:47,932 I don't think she really knew how to take it. 190 00:09:47,966 --> 00:09:51,073 And there's been other occasions when he'll 191 00:09:51,107 --> 00:09:52,730 say he's talking to someone. 192 00:09:55,767 --> 00:09:57,251 It landed. 193 00:09:57,286 --> 00:10:01,186 At first, I thought it was imaginary friend-- 194 00:10:02,671 --> 00:10:04,638 until I realized that it wasn't. 195 00:10:16,443 --> 00:10:18,272 When my son was born, he slept more 196 00:10:18,307 --> 00:10:20,240 than any baby I've ever seen. 197 00:10:20,274 --> 00:10:21,828 I had taken him to the doctors. 198 00:10:21,862 --> 00:10:23,933 And the doctor said, there's something 199 00:10:23,968 --> 00:10:25,245 wrong with your child. 200 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:26,142 They ran tests. 201 00:10:26,177 --> 00:10:27,903 They did a brain scan. 202 00:10:27,937 --> 00:10:30,664 Everything came back normal. 203 00:10:30,699 --> 00:10:33,667 He was more advanced and learned things a lot faster 204 00:10:33,702 --> 00:10:36,290 than your normal child. 205 00:10:36,325 --> 00:10:38,914 But when Andrew turned three, something strange happened. 206 00:10:45,403 --> 00:10:48,613 When Andrew came to me and introduced his friend, 207 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:50,684 there was nobody there. 208 00:10:50,719 --> 00:10:55,620 He was adamant about it, telling me, Mommy, you don't see him. 209 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:58,071 And I said, no, I don't see him. 210 00:10:58,105 --> 00:10:59,141 I asked Andrew. 211 00:10:59,175 --> 00:11:01,108 I said, who are you playing with? 212 00:11:01,143 --> 00:11:03,697 And I couldn't believe his answer. 213 00:11:03,732 --> 00:11:06,804 He said Uncle Mike. 214 00:11:06,838 --> 00:11:08,529 She said, you're talking to Uncle Mike? 215 00:11:08,564 --> 00:11:11,463 He said, yeah, he's here with me, and we were playing. 216 00:11:11,498 --> 00:11:13,155 And he was watching over me. 217 00:11:13,189 --> 00:11:15,640 And it had kind of taken her back because her and her uncle 218 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:16,365 were very close. 219 00:11:20,714 --> 00:11:22,302 I was in shock. 220 00:11:22,336 --> 00:11:24,891 Andrew was only two years old when my uncle passed away 221 00:11:24,925 --> 00:11:26,789 a year prior. 222 00:11:26,824 --> 00:11:29,343 He really didn't know him. 223 00:11:29,378 --> 00:11:33,865 Andrew is not the kind of child that makes stories up. 224 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:37,524 I asked him if he plays with Uncle Mike often. 225 00:11:37,558 --> 00:11:39,560 He said, yes, all the time. 226 00:11:39,595 --> 00:11:41,735 My daughter, Eva, who was eight years old, 227 00:11:41,770 --> 00:11:44,738 she saw him talking to no one and ran out of the room 228 00:11:44,773 --> 00:11:46,740 and said, I'm scared of him, Mom. 229 00:11:46,775 --> 00:11:47,603 I'm scared of Andrew. 230 00:11:51,262 --> 00:11:53,057 I couldn't see what he was saying, 231 00:11:53,091 --> 00:11:57,440 and I wondered if it was connected to something bigger 232 00:11:57,475 --> 00:12:00,305 than I couldn't explain. 233 00:12:00,340 --> 00:12:03,826 One day in November, I was in a kitchen making dinner. 234 00:12:03,861 --> 00:12:08,141 And Andrew walks in and starts crying hysterically. 235 00:12:08,175 --> 00:12:11,075 My first question to him is, Andrew, are you OK? 236 00:12:11,109 --> 00:12:12,421 Did you get hurt? 237 00:12:12,455 --> 00:12:13,871 But he was physically OK. 238 00:12:13,905 --> 00:12:16,011 He wasn't hurt. 239 00:12:16,045 --> 00:12:19,566 It took me a good 20 minutes to calm him down. 240 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,154 Andrew finally stopped crying. 241 00:12:21,188 --> 00:12:24,744 And he asked me, Mommy, why did I die in that fire? 242 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:30,922 I said, is this a dream? 243 00:12:30,957 --> 00:12:32,924 Did you have a dream last night? 244 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:35,099 And he said no, Mommy. 245 00:12:35,133 --> 00:12:37,998 I picked Andrew up, and I consoled him and told him 246 00:12:38,033 --> 00:12:40,794 that Mommy would never let anything happen to him. 247 00:12:40,829 --> 00:12:45,834 It really didn't seem to help because he was so upset. 248 00:12:45,868 --> 00:12:50,217 I kept holding him, but he kept repeating over and over. 249 00:12:50,252 --> 00:12:54,221 Mommy, why did I die in that fire? 250 00:12:54,256 --> 00:12:56,465 There was never any fire, and I didn't understand 251 00:12:56,499 --> 00:12:59,813 what he was talking about. 252 00:12:59,848 --> 00:13:04,956 My wife called me and told me he had approached her sobbing 253 00:13:04,991 --> 00:13:08,718 asking her why he burned in a fire. 254 00:13:08,753 --> 00:13:11,100 She could see in his face that he was very sincere. 255 00:13:11,135 --> 00:13:13,965 And so she started to cry with him, 256 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,657 trying to reassure him that she wouldn't let that happen 257 00:13:16,692 --> 00:13:18,728 to him. 258 00:13:18,763 --> 00:13:20,454 I started crying. 259 00:13:20,489 --> 00:13:23,112 As a mother, you never want to see your child hurt 260 00:13:23,147 --> 00:13:27,185 because the most important job of any parent 261 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:29,809 is to protect your child. 262 00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:34,261 I thought, at that age, that it was very strange for a child 263 00:13:34,296 --> 00:13:36,816 to be talking about death. 264 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:39,163 There is no way that Andrew could have got this 265 00:13:39,197 --> 00:13:42,200 from watching TV because we don't let him watch anything 266 00:13:42,235 --> 00:13:44,168 like that. 267 00:13:44,202 --> 00:13:46,791 When I got home that night, me and Michele 268 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,345 sat down and spoke more of it. 269 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:53,487 And she was able to get more into detail of what he had came 270 00:13:53,522 --> 00:13:54,868 to her and talk about. 271 00:13:54,903 --> 00:13:56,490 The more he talked, 272 00:13:56,525 --> 00:13:59,148 the more details he gave. 273 00:13:59,183 --> 00:14:02,324 Andrew told me that he lived in Georgia. 274 00:14:02,358 --> 00:14:04,636 He kept saying semper. 275 00:14:04,671 --> 00:14:08,364 And he wore military clothing. 276 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:10,608 And then he told me how the fire started, 277 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:12,748 and I could not believe my ears. 278 00:14:12,782 --> 00:14:16,441 Andrew had told me that there was a bombing at his house 279 00:14:16,476 --> 00:14:19,134 and that's how he died. 280 00:14:19,168 --> 00:14:22,240 The way he talked to us, it was like he was actually recalling 281 00:14:22,275 --> 00:14:25,174 something that happened to him. 282 00:14:25,209 --> 00:14:27,383 Where is this coming from? 283 00:14:40,155 --> 00:14:42,985 Jada was always very adamant from day one 284 00:14:43,020 --> 00:14:46,713 about this knowledge that she had chosen me as her mother 285 00:14:46,747 --> 00:14:48,094 and that she had chosen her father. 286 00:14:54,686 --> 00:15:00,002 Jada has always been concerned with the safety in our house. 287 00:15:00,037 --> 00:15:03,695 If we burn a fire, she's not afraid of the fire. 288 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:07,561 But she will ask, are our fire alarms working? 289 00:15:07,596 --> 00:15:09,287 Have you changed the batteries? 290 00:15:09,322 --> 00:15:11,358 Is everything OK with that? 291 00:15:11,393 --> 00:15:14,603 It's uncanny how she fears for her safety. 292 00:15:14,637 --> 00:15:17,433 And this is something that has been going on for as long 293 00:15:17,468 --> 00:15:19,815 as she's been with us. 294 00:15:19,849 --> 00:15:23,612 I never really expected her to grow out of this. 295 00:15:23,646 --> 00:15:28,134 I always had the feeling that it would come to a head someday. 296 00:15:28,168 --> 00:15:29,514 I'm Shannon. 297 00:15:29,549 --> 00:15:32,034 And Mary Helen and I have been best friends since college. 298 00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:34,795 I think Jada is a wonderful little girl, 299 00:15:34,830 --> 00:15:37,695 and I love both of the children very much. 300 00:15:37,729 --> 00:15:40,905 When I come and visit Jada and Jemma, 301 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:44,219 Jada always has little stories to tell me that things happen 302 00:15:44,253 --> 00:15:45,565 to her in her dreams. 303 00:15:45,599 --> 00:15:46,980 People come and visit her. 304 00:15:47,015 --> 00:15:48,913 She hears noises. 305 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:52,020 And she just tells me the stories. 306 00:15:52,054 --> 00:15:55,402 But there are some things that are just a little way 307 00:15:55,437 --> 00:15:56,127 out there. 308 00:15:59,475 --> 00:16:01,891 A few years ago, something happened with Jada that really 309 00:16:01,926 --> 00:16:03,169 freaked me out. 310 00:16:03,203 --> 00:16:05,585 The girls and I had gone to the Festival of the Fires 311 00:16:05,619 --> 00:16:07,621 in Ireland for several years. 312 00:16:07,656 --> 00:16:11,798 We had never participated in marching in the parade or any 313 00:16:11,832 --> 00:16:14,007 of the bigger events because the girls were so young. 314 00:16:14,042 --> 00:16:16,216 But when Jada was six going on seven, 315 00:16:16,251 --> 00:16:19,633 they asked the children to be in the parade, which 316 00:16:19,668 --> 00:16:22,222 marched around the big bonfire. 317 00:16:22,257 --> 00:16:24,466 The girls were excited, and they agreed to do this. 318 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:26,019 They got all dressed up. 319 00:16:26,054 --> 00:16:28,677 They were carrying flags and banners. 320 00:16:28,711 --> 00:16:30,713 And the processional started pretty far away 321 00:16:30,748 --> 00:16:33,371 from where the huge bonfire was. 322 00:16:33,406 --> 00:16:35,615 And it wound its way up the hill, 323 00:16:35,649 --> 00:16:38,307 and then eventually, everybody went and circled 324 00:16:38,342 --> 00:16:40,965 the big bonfire. 325 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,967 In keeping with Jada tradition, I 326 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:46,729 had to walk alongside the processional going up the hill 327 00:16:46,764 --> 00:16:50,457 so that Jada would even participate. 328 00:16:50,492 --> 00:16:52,252 Everything was going along smoothly. 329 00:16:52,287 --> 00:16:55,048 And people were chanting and singing and dancing. 330 00:16:55,083 --> 00:16:57,671 And then they lit the bonfire. 331 00:16:57,706 --> 00:16:59,535 And at first, you could hear the crackling, 332 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:02,987 and the fire was kind of building from the side that 333 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,300 was opposite to where we were standing. 334 00:17:05,334 --> 00:17:07,854 Then all of a sudden, the fire took off, 335 00:17:07,888 --> 00:17:10,443 and the entire bonfire was lit. 336 00:17:10,477 --> 00:17:15,689 And within seconds, Jada was screaming bloody murder. 337 00:17:17,105 --> 00:17:19,383 And she was rolling around on the ground just screaming help, 338 00:17:19,417 --> 00:17:20,763 help, help, help. 339 00:17:20,798 --> 00:17:23,387 I wasn't far away, so I went running straight over to her. 340 00:17:23,421 --> 00:17:26,804 So eventually, I had to pick Jada up, throw her 341 00:17:26,838 --> 00:17:30,601 over my shoulder, and carry her the entire way down. 342 00:17:30,635 --> 00:17:33,328 And this hill is a big hill. 343 00:17:33,362 --> 00:17:35,157 I was pretty upset seeing her that way. 344 00:17:35,192 --> 00:17:36,952 She got in the car, 345 00:17:36,986 --> 00:17:38,402 and it was like she'd seen a ghost. 346 00:17:38,436 --> 00:17:39,955 She was petrified. 347 00:17:39,989 --> 00:17:41,129 So I drove home. 348 00:17:41,163 --> 00:17:42,992 And I was trying to talk to her the whole way home. 349 00:17:43,027 --> 00:17:45,581 And Jemma was holding her hand, and she was trying 350 00:17:45,616 --> 00:17:47,169 to talk to her-- nothing. 351 00:17:47,204 --> 00:17:50,034 I mean, she was absolutely beside herself. 352 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,380 She had seen something. 353 00:17:51,415 --> 00:17:54,866 Something had happened in that moment that absolutely changed 354 00:17:54,901 --> 00:17:56,351 her. 355 00:17:56,385 --> 00:17:58,939 I didn't really understand what was going on for her, 356 00:17:58,974 --> 00:18:01,425 but I felt bad for her. 357 00:18:01,459 --> 00:18:03,634 This was not simply the case of a little girl being 358 00:18:03,668 --> 00:18:05,394 frightened by a large crowd. 359 00:18:05,429 --> 00:18:07,086 This was serious to the point where, 360 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,157 if another medical professional had been there, 361 00:18:09,191 --> 00:18:11,159 they would have thought she was having some kind 362 00:18:11,193 --> 00:18:12,436 of a psychotic episode. 363 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:15,059 The whole thing was incredibly distressing. 364 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,612 I have never been more afraid. 365 00:18:25,621 --> 00:18:28,555 My son, Andrew, said a bomb hit his house 366 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:31,248 and started the fire. 367 00:18:31,282 --> 00:18:34,182 He told me he was from Georgia and kept repeating the words 368 00:18:34,216 --> 00:18:35,010 semper. 369 00:18:41,189 --> 00:18:43,950 We were so confused and scared. 370 00:18:43,984 --> 00:18:47,643 I began to wonder if he was talking about a past life. 371 00:18:47,678 --> 00:18:48,989 This is Virginia Beach. 372 00:18:49,024 --> 00:18:50,336 We're in the South. 373 00:18:50,370 --> 00:18:53,615 The South is very religious, and the idea of reincarnation 374 00:18:53,649 --> 00:18:55,686 is not accepted. 375 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,689 I'm Catholic, so I never really thought that much about 376 00:18:58,723 --> 00:19:02,175 reincarnation until my son started telling me 377 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:03,866 his story about fire. 378 00:19:03,901 --> 00:19:05,627 I just want to get to the bottom of this 379 00:19:05,661 --> 00:19:10,942 and see where this fire actually happened. 380 00:19:10,977 --> 00:19:14,291 I started doing research so I could see if anything matched 381 00:19:14,325 --> 00:19:15,671 Andrew's story. 382 00:19:15,706 --> 00:19:17,673 He said there was eight houses in a row, 383 00:19:17,708 --> 00:19:20,745 and they were bombed and then a fire, and they were all gone. 384 00:19:24,577 --> 00:19:28,650 I found a story about two children who had died in a fire 385 00:19:28,684 --> 00:19:30,514 that their mother had set. 386 00:19:30,548 --> 00:19:32,309 She was from Georgia. 387 00:19:32,343 --> 00:19:34,828 She tried to kill her husband but accidentally killed 388 00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:36,071 her children. 389 00:19:36,105 --> 00:19:38,211 The family lived on an Army base. 390 00:19:38,246 --> 00:19:40,972 Andrew had told me that there was a row of houses, 391 00:19:41,007 --> 00:19:43,009 and that would be common on a base. 392 00:19:43,043 --> 00:19:47,116 So that seemed like a connection to me. 393 00:19:47,151 --> 00:19:51,397 Although that story was kind of close, there was no explosion. 394 00:19:51,431 --> 00:19:53,364 So I decided to keep looking. 395 00:19:53,399 --> 00:19:56,609 This is a really tough thing for me to read these stories, 396 00:19:56,643 --> 00:20:00,026 because I don't want my son to have gone through something 397 00:20:00,060 --> 00:20:01,545 like this. 398 00:20:01,579 --> 00:20:04,168 But we need to solve this not just for Andrew 399 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:07,378 but for our entire family. 400 00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:10,070 Then somebody mentioned to me what semper meant, 401 00:20:10,105 --> 00:20:12,659 and it set me in a whole other direction. 402 00:20:12,694 --> 00:20:14,868 And then it became clear. 403 00:20:14,903 --> 00:20:17,802 It wasn't a story that I wanted my son to be a part of. 404 00:20:26,708 --> 00:20:28,986 My daughter, Jada, talked about choosing her parents 405 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:30,229 in heaven. 406 00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:32,265 And Jada was constantly worried about danger 407 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:33,232 around every corner. 408 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,826 This was probably one of the most horrific moments 409 00:20:41,861 --> 00:20:46,417 in my life, because there was nothing I could do to help her. 410 00:20:46,452 --> 00:20:50,076 The worst thing was that she wouldn't talk about it, 411 00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:54,322 so we had no way of knowing what was going on. 412 00:20:54,356 --> 00:20:57,635 I don't know if Jada was unable to talk about it, 413 00:20:57,670 --> 00:20:59,672 or she couldn't talk about it. 414 00:20:59,706 --> 00:21:05,712 We couldn't get her to come back into reality and to focus. 415 00:21:05,747 --> 00:21:07,335 In the morning, when she awakened, 416 00:21:07,369 --> 00:21:09,613 the first thing I wanted to know was, what in the world 417 00:21:09,647 --> 00:21:11,131 happened last night? 418 00:21:11,166 --> 00:21:16,654 She just kind of blanked me as if to say, don't even go there. 419 00:21:16,689 --> 00:21:18,967 Jada wouldn't speak of it. 420 00:21:19,001 --> 00:21:22,039 As a mom, I wanted to push Jada to tell me 421 00:21:22,073 --> 00:21:23,316 what was going on. 422 00:21:23,351 --> 00:21:26,664 But as a doctor, I recognized that something else was 423 00:21:26,699 --> 00:21:29,598 happening here, and it was better not to push her 424 00:21:29,633 --> 00:21:33,878 and to let her tell me what had happened in her own time. 425 00:21:33,913 --> 00:21:36,502 Jada has always been afraid of crowds. 426 00:21:36,536 --> 00:21:39,401 So it made sense why she was nervous. 427 00:21:39,436 --> 00:21:43,612 But the meltdown that Jada had seemed out of proportion 428 00:21:43,647 --> 00:21:45,718 for just being in a crowd. 429 00:21:45,752 --> 00:21:47,961 Something was going on. 430 00:21:47,996 --> 00:21:51,517 For days after the incident took place, I'd periodically 431 00:21:51,551 --> 00:21:53,933 check in with Jada and see if she wanted to talk, 432 00:21:53,967 --> 00:21:58,351 because her clinginess, it got so much worse. 433 00:21:58,386 --> 00:21:59,559 Mom? 434 00:21:59,594 --> 00:22:01,975 And it was quite obvious to me that this was not 435 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,979 something that was going to go away overnight. 436 00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:07,912 I spoke to some friends and colleagues. 437 00:22:07,947 --> 00:22:11,502 And the general consensus was it was no big deal. 438 00:22:11,537 --> 00:22:13,780 I shouldn't be worried and that it probably would never 439 00:22:13,815 --> 00:22:14,747 happen to Jada again. 440 00:22:18,095 --> 00:22:21,616 About six months later, Jada was taking a bath one Sunday 441 00:22:21,650 --> 00:22:22,410 morning. 442 00:22:22,444 --> 00:22:23,376 Mom? 443 00:22:23,411 --> 00:22:25,965 And I was right next to the bathroom 444 00:22:25,999 --> 00:22:29,140 where I could talk to her and she could hear me. 445 00:22:29,175 --> 00:22:32,143 Jada just suddenly called me and said, Mom, 446 00:22:32,178 --> 00:22:33,800 do you remember that day? 447 00:22:33,835 --> 00:22:36,044 Do you remember the fire? 448 00:22:36,078 --> 00:22:39,565 And I hadn't thought about this in months now at this stage. 449 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:42,740 And I said, yeah, of course I remember. 450 00:22:42,775 --> 00:22:45,812 And she said, do you want to know why I got so upset? 451 00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:48,228 And I was absolutely flabbergasted. 452 00:22:48,263 --> 00:22:51,231 I couldn't believe that she was talking so casually about it. 453 00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:53,855 It was like, again, something had shifted. 454 00:22:53,889 --> 00:22:56,305 It was like this awareness just came about her, 455 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:58,860 and she could speak very matter-of-factly about it. 456 00:22:58,894 --> 00:23:00,309 She wasn't crying. 457 00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:04,486 She was just suddenly ready to tell me what happened. 458 00:23:04,521 --> 00:23:07,178 Jada says to me, Mom, do you remember 459 00:23:07,213 --> 00:23:09,042 when they turned on the fire? 460 00:23:09,077 --> 00:23:09,836 I agreed. 461 00:23:09,871 --> 00:23:11,459 And I said, yes, I remember. 462 00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:14,082 And she said, well, I saw something. 463 00:23:14,116 --> 00:23:16,325 What did you see? 464 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:20,675 And she said it was like a movie in my head except 465 00:23:20,709 --> 00:23:22,262 for it was outside of my eyes. 466 00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:24,955 It was all around me. 467 00:23:24,989 --> 00:23:28,337 It sounded like she was having some kind of a vision. 468 00:23:28,372 --> 00:23:29,442 I said, what did you see? 469 00:23:29,477 --> 00:23:35,241 And she said, I saw men with swords all around. 470 00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:39,314 And I saw men in robes, and they were white robes. 471 00:23:39,348 --> 00:23:43,145 Some of them were holding tall sticks with shiny gold crosses 472 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:44,975 on the top. 473 00:23:45,009 --> 00:23:48,357 And she said they were very, very scary. 474 00:23:48,392 --> 00:23:50,774 They were going to make me die. 475 00:23:50,808 --> 00:23:55,986 And so instead, I walked into a big fire. 476 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:58,264 And I said, what do you mean you walked into a fire? 477 00:23:58,298 --> 00:24:01,578 She said, they were going to kill me anyway. 478 00:24:01,612 --> 00:24:07,066 I actually gasped and fell against the wall. 479 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:10,241 It made complete sense to me now how awful that night 480 00:24:10,276 --> 00:24:12,243 must have been for her. 481 00:24:12,278 --> 00:24:16,972 As her mom, I was utterly horrified. 482 00:24:17,007 --> 00:24:20,907 When Jada first started talking about this incident, 483 00:24:20,942 --> 00:24:22,909 I didn't have any idea what to expect. 484 00:24:22,944 --> 00:24:25,118 I didn't know if this was now over, 485 00:24:25,153 --> 00:24:28,363 if she had said what she needed to say, and that was it, 486 00:24:28,397 --> 00:24:31,608 and we'd never hear about it again. 487 00:24:31,642 --> 00:24:35,646 But what actually happened was the floodgates opened. 488 00:24:35,681 --> 00:24:39,926 Rather than becoming frightened by this memory, 489 00:24:39,961 --> 00:24:43,136 she suddenly became very curious and wanted 490 00:24:43,171 --> 00:24:45,276 to know more about it. 491 00:24:45,311 --> 00:24:48,141 Jada started drawing a lot of pictures. 492 00:24:48,176 --> 00:24:50,868 It was worrying to see this kind of artwork 493 00:24:50,903 --> 00:24:53,768 turning up in Jada's drawings. 494 00:24:53,802 --> 00:24:56,874 Obviously, this was something that was on her mind. 495 00:25:04,123 --> 00:25:07,436 A lot of people would say that this is a kid with a very vivid 496 00:25:07,471 --> 00:25:08,817 imagination. 497 00:25:08,852 --> 00:25:12,269 When I heard the story from Mary Helen, the mask, the whole nine 498 00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:13,546 yards, there was fire-- 499 00:25:13,581 --> 00:25:16,653 I thought Jada had probably just seen a movie on TV 500 00:25:16,687 --> 00:25:17,861 about the KKK. 501 00:25:17,895 --> 00:25:21,727 That is my only explanation that I could see. 502 00:25:21,761 --> 00:25:24,592 Once I began to connect the night of the Festival 503 00:25:24,626 --> 00:25:28,768 of the Fire with this picture that she continuously drew, 504 00:25:28,803 --> 00:25:33,532 I began to piece things together from when she spoke of choosing 505 00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:36,707 me, choosing her father, her sister, some of these fears 506 00:25:36,742 --> 00:25:40,642 and insecurities that seem just a little bit beyond the normal 507 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:41,850 for a child. 508 00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:44,473 All of a sudden, I began to realize that we might 509 00:25:44,508 --> 00:25:46,441 be talking about a past life. 510 00:25:57,383 --> 00:26:00,075 My daughter Jada remembered picking her parents. 511 00:26:00,110 --> 00:26:01,456 And it seemed like she was always 512 00:26:01,490 --> 00:26:03,182 in a constant state of worry. 513 00:26:03,216 --> 00:26:05,564 After a traumatic incident at a bonfire, 514 00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:08,739 she began having visions of people being burned alive 515 00:26:08,774 --> 00:26:12,985 by men in white robes carrying shiny gold crosses on sticks. 516 00:26:22,719 --> 00:26:25,273 This was definitely one of the most horrific moments 517 00:26:25,307 --> 00:26:27,551 in my life, because I was completely and utterly 518 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:28,517 out of control. 519 00:26:28,552 --> 00:26:30,761 I had no way to help my little girl. 520 00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:33,764 It was really painful to see her that way. 521 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,112 And there was nothing I could do. 522 00:26:37,147 --> 00:26:39,805 I figured this had something to do with religious persecution 523 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,254 because of the gold crosses. 524 00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:43,532 Her drawings and her descriptions of them 525 00:26:43,567 --> 00:26:45,604 made it seem like it was something that took place 526 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:46,950 in the Middle Ages. 527 00:26:46,984 --> 00:26:49,987 I decided to focus on the robe and the crosses 528 00:26:50,022 --> 00:26:52,507 and the fire from her pictures. 529 00:26:52,541 --> 00:26:55,821 My research ended up taking me to a place high in the Pyrenees 530 00:26:55,855 --> 00:26:59,652 in France to a place called Montsegur. 531 00:26:59,687 --> 00:27:02,862 A sect of people lived there called the Cathars. 532 00:27:02,897 --> 00:27:05,900 They were persecuted by the Christians during the Crusades 533 00:27:05,934 --> 00:27:07,418 in 1244. 534 00:27:07,453 --> 00:27:09,489 The Cathars were a group of people who 535 00:27:09,524 --> 00:27:11,768 had very high moral standards. 536 00:27:11,802 --> 00:27:15,564 They were persecuted by the Christians for the fact 537 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,707 that they didn't follow the Catholic Church. 538 00:27:19,741 --> 00:27:23,262 High on a hill over 3,000 feet in the Pyrenees 539 00:27:23,296 --> 00:27:27,438 was the last stronghold of the Cathars in 1244. 540 00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:29,958 And when I saw a picture of Montsegur, 541 00:27:29,993 --> 00:27:34,135 it looked strangely similar to the hill of Uisneach 542 00:27:34,169 --> 00:27:36,827 where the Festival of Fires had taken place 543 00:27:36,862 --> 00:27:40,797 and Jada had her traumatic memory of being burned alive. 544 00:27:40,831 --> 00:27:43,144 The Cathars were given a choice where 545 00:27:43,178 --> 00:27:46,009 they could have gold crosses stitched to their clothing 546 00:27:46,043 --> 00:27:48,459 and they would profess to convert to Christianity, 547 00:27:48,494 --> 00:27:51,497 or they were going to be tortured and burned alive. 548 00:27:51,531 --> 00:27:55,432 So in an act of defiance, the last remaining group of Cathars 549 00:27:55,466 --> 00:27:57,399 walked themselves into fire. 550 00:28:03,164 --> 00:28:05,684 It took me a long time to work out 551 00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:08,548 exactly what about the Festival of the Fires 552 00:28:08,583 --> 00:28:10,205 triggered the memory for Jada. 553 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,449 Before, we had just been spectators. 554 00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:14,900 This time, they walked towards the fire 555 00:28:14,934 --> 00:28:18,627 the very same way that the Cathars in Montsegur 556 00:28:18,662 --> 00:28:22,562 had walked or marched themselves into the fire at the end 557 00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:23,805 in 1244. 558 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,533 So it was never a fear of fire that she had. 559 00:28:27,567 --> 00:28:31,848 It was this specific act of walking to a fire that 560 00:28:31,882 --> 00:28:34,747 triggered the memory for her of walking in and being burned 561 00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:36,473 alive. 562 00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,786 We live in a small town in Virginia. 563 00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:42,099 And reincarnation is not something we all believe. 564 00:28:42,134 --> 00:28:45,516 I love Mary Helen and the girls, but I just wasn't sure 565 00:28:45,551 --> 00:28:48,174 if it was a past life experience. 566 00:28:48,209 --> 00:28:51,108 In the course of my research, I discussed with Jada 567 00:28:51,143 --> 00:28:52,627 what I had found out. 568 00:28:52,661 --> 00:28:55,319 And it all seemed very familiar to her. 569 00:28:55,354 --> 00:28:58,495 She started filling in the gaps in the story line 570 00:28:58,529 --> 00:29:01,222 as I would tell her things that I had read in my research 571 00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:02,361 and discovered. 572 00:29:02,395 --> 00:29:03,949 And she'd go, oh, yes, and so-and-so was there, 573 00:29:03,983 --> 00:29:05,467 and this is what they were carrying. 574 00:29:05,502 --> 00:29:07,193 And this is what it looked like, and this 575 00:29:07,228 --> 00:29:08,608 is what it smelled like. 576 00:29:08,643 --> 00:29:12,060 And it wasn't just listening to my story and nodding the head. 577 00:29:12,095 --> 00:29:15,339 It was she'd heard this story before because she'd lived it, 578 00:29:15,374 --> 00:29:18,239 and she was telling me what really happened there. 579 00:29:18,273 --> 00:29:20,068 She knew that this was real. 580 00:29:20,103 --> 00:29:25,591 And it wasn't too long before I knew this was real as well. 581 00:29:25,625 --> 00:29:26,730 I'm Jada. 582 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:28,387 I'm 10. 583 00:29:28,421 --> 00:29:32,667 I got upset because people were fighting, 584 00:29:32,701 --> 00:29:35,843 and people had crosses. 585 00:29:35,877 --> 00:29:38,017 Some of them were in white stuff. 586 00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:39,674 Some of them weren't. 587 00:29:39,708 --> 00:29:43,471 I was really scared because I could remember them. 588 00:29:43,505 --> 00:29:46,577 They attacked me because I wasn't Christian. 589 00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:48,787 They tried to make me one. 590 00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:53,274 They said that if I would become one, they wouldn't kill me. 591 00:29:53,308 --> 00:29:56,415 And if I didn't become one, they would kill me. 592 00:29:56,449 --> 00:29:59,521 So I walked into the fire all myself 593 00:29:59,556 --> 00:30:03,422 because I didn't want them to push me into it. 594 00:30:03,456 --> 00:30:06,563 When I'm at a big, big bonfire like it was there-- 595 00:30:06,597 --> 00:30:09,152 when I got burned, it was a big fire. 596 00:30:09,186 --> 00:30:11,913 It wasn't just a little fire that would burn you. 597 00:30:11,948 --> 00:30:16,262 So when I go to big festivals and a big fire, 598 00:30:16,297 --> 00:30:17,850 it gives me the shivers. 599 00:30:17,885 --> 00:30:22,855 When I'm around small fires like a fireplace, I'm OK. 600 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:25,927 This whole thing made Jada aware of her old life. 601 00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:29,206 It didn't change her personality like the way she got up 602 00:30:29,241 --> 00:30:31,070 in the morning or her dreams. 603 00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:32,969 It just made her more aware. 604 00:30:33,003 --> 00:30:36,179 I want her to get help so she's not so scared anymore. 605 00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:38,595 There is an element of closure 606 00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,909 that still needs to take place with this story. 607 00:30:41,943 --> 00:30:44,704 I know that I need to find a way for Jada 608 00:30:44,739 --> 00:30:47,535 to release the hold that this past life still has on her. 609 00:30:55,405 --> 00:30:57,821 My daughter, Jada, believes that she was burned alive 610 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,098 in 13th century France. 611 00:31:05,794 --> 00:31:09,005 I want Jada to be able to release these horrible images 612 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,593 about her past life that are still in her head. 613 00:31:11,628 --> 00:31:14,942 I can't say I'm on board with reincarnation. 614 00:31:14,976 --> 00:31:18,014 But I will always be on board with Mary Helen and the girls. 615 00:31:18,048 --> 00:31:20,188 What happened to the Cathars 616 00:31:20,223 --> 00:31:25,745 in Montsegur in 1244 is a very important part of history. 617 00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:28,921 But I want Jada to be able to put these memories to rest 618 00:31:28,956 --> 00:31:30,923 and to be able to move on with her own life 619 00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:34,685 without having the weight of that terrible death 620 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,791 hanging over her at all times so she 621 00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,275 can be successful in this life. 622 00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:48,009 I'm going to ask Jada to make a list of the things that affect 623 00:31:48,044 --> 00:31:49,390 her from her past life. 624 00:31:49,424 --> 00:31:51,047 And we're going to take those, and we're 625 00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:54,602 going to turn them to ashes so that they don't bother you 626 00:31:54,636 --> 00:31:56,190 any more. 627 00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:57,018 OK? 628 00:31:57,053 --> 00:31:57,846 OK. 629 00:31:57,881 --> 00:31:58,917 OK. 630 00:31:58,951 --> 00:32:01,057 What scares her, what makes her anxious, 631 00:32:01,091 --> 00:32:04,508 what makes her fearful in this lifetime-- so what would number 632 00:32:04,543 --> 00:32:05,958 one be? 633 00:32:05,993 --> 00:32:13,586 Being alone, locking doors, sleeping alone, the dark, 634 00:32:13,621 --> 00:32:16,658 being in a crowd. 635 00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:17,832 That's 10. 636 00:32:17,866 --> 00:32:19,696 That's great. 637 00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:23,527 OK, so here's what we're going to do. 638 00:32:23,562 --> 00:32:25,426 We're going to take that list. 639 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:27,566 And how about you fold that up for me? 640 00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:33,986 OK. 641 00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:37,403 And now by putting fire to that, you're 642 00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:40,337 telling all those bad memories from the past 643 00:32:40,372 --> 00:32:42,926 that you're releasing them and letting them go. 644 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,895 And it's time to get on with your life as Jada today. 645 00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:47,689 OK? 646 00:32:47,724 --> 00:32:48,621 OK. 647 00:32:48,656 --> 00:32:49,657 All right. 648 00:32:49,691 --> 00:32:51,279 Bye-bye, past memories. 649 00:32:51,314 --> 00:32:52,004 OK. 650 00:32:56,077 --> 00:32:58,045 Awesome. 651 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,875 She was destroyed by the fire in her past life. 652 00:33:00,909 --> 00:33:03,257 But now the fire will set her free. 653 00:33:03,291 --> 00:33:07,330 And maybe, just maybe, I might be able to sleep a whole night 654 00:33:07,364 --> 00:33:09,021 alone in my own bed. 655 00:33:09,056 --> 00:33:11,127 Do you know who else I have? 656 00:33:11,161 --> 00:33:13,819 Who? 657 00:33:13,853 --> 00:33:18,030 The man in the robe, will we return him to the fire 658 00:33:18,065 --> 00:33:19,066 from where he came? 659 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:19,894 OK. 660 00:33:30,284 --> 00:33:33,425 How about say, the past is in the past? 661 00:33:33,459 --> 00:33:35,737 The past is in the past. 662 00:33:35,772 --> 00:33:37,360 And it can never hurt me. 663 00:33:37,394 --> 00:33:40,018 And it can never hurt me. 664 00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:42,572 Time to be just Jada. 665 00:33:42,606 --> 00:33:44,539 Time to just Jada. 666 00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:56,068 My mom and I burned the paper of the man in the white suit 667 00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:59,727 and all my fears of my past lives. 668 00:33:59,761 --> 00:34:04,835 So I do think burning them will help my fears go away. 669 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:07,459 I do feel more safe now that I burned them. 670 00:34:16,157 --> 00:34:19,919 Now that I've burned my past memories, 671 00:34:19,954 --> 00:34:24,131 I want to stand up for people who need help in this life. 672 00:34:32,898 --> 00:34:35,452 My son, Andrew, told me that there was an explosion 673 00:34:35,487 --> 00:34:36,246 where he lived. 674 00:34:36,281 --> 00:34:39,560 And he died in a fire. 675 00:34:39,594 --> 00:34:42,632 He said he was from Georgia and kept repeating the word semper. 676 00:34:49,294 --> 00:34:52,159 At first, I didn't know what semper was until I researched 677 00:34:52,193 --> 00:34:53,539 it. 678 00:34:53,574 --> 00:34:56,922 Come to find out, semper fi is the motto for the Marines. 679 00:34:56,956 --> 00:34:59,545 Andrew had mentioned wearing a military uniform. 680 00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:03,480 I then typed in Marines from Georgia killed when a bomb hit 681 00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:04,481 their home. 682 00:35:04,516 --> 00:35:07,105 And I couldn't believe what came up. 683 00:35:07,139 --> 00:35:09,659 The bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut 684 00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,937 happened in 1983. 685 00:35:11,971 --> 00:35:14,422 300 service members lived in a building 686 00:35:14,457 --> 00:35:16,976 that was hit by a truck bomb. 687 00:35:17,011 --> 00:35:20,152 220 Marines and 21 other personnel 688 00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:22,706 were killed in the bombings. 689 00:35:22,741 --> 00:35:25,157 It was the largest death toll of Marines 690 00:35:25,192 --> 00:35:27,642 since the battle of Iwo Jima in World War II. 691 00:35:30,956 --> 00:35:34,649 It made me really sad to see how all these families had lost 692 00:35:34,684 --> 00:35:35,857 their sons. 693 00:35:35,892 --> 00:35:37,652 But I wanted to keep looking. 694 00:35:37,687 --> 00:35:41,173 I found a list of the Marines who had died that day. 695 00:35:41,208 --> 00:35:44,659 There were six from Georgia, six young men. 696 00:35:44,694 --> 00:35:46,144 I just wanted to cry. 697 00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:48,456 I was so, so upset. 698 00:35:48,491 --> 00:35:51,252 I really wondered if this could be this story, if he could 699 00:35:51,287 --> 00:35:55,083 be one of the six Marines from Georgia that had died that day. 700 00:35:57,879 --> 00:36:00,019 As a parent, I was concerned for him 701 00:36:00,054 --> 00:36:05,542 because he had recollection of him passing away in a fire. 702 00:36:05,577 --> 00:36:07,579 And anything I could do to help him 703 00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:09,615 understand, it was definitely something 704 00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:13,171 I was looking to do for him to have closure so he could move 705 00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:16,312 on with his life when he's not even five years old yet. 706 00:36:16,346 --> 00:36:18,417 He's not even in kindergarten. 707 00:36:18,452 --> 00:36:22,318 I have decided to show Andrew pictures of the Marines. 708 00:36:22,352 --> 00:36:24,492 I want to see if he recognizes any 709 00:36:24,527 --> 00:36:26,598 of the people in the photos. 710 00:36:26,632 --> 00:36:30,222 If he does recognize anybody, maybe we can find a way for him 711 00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:32,259 to let go of his pain. 712 00:36:32,293 --> 00:36:34,364 If he doesn't recognize anyone, I still 713 00:36:34,399 --> 00:36:36,297 want to find a way to help him. 714 00:36:36,332 --> 00:36:39,197 I want him to feel safe in his current life. 715 00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:41,785 I have to do this for my little boy. 716 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:43,408 I don't know what will happen if I don't. 717 00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:56,110 Since age three, Andrew has talked about dying 718 00:36:56,144 --> 00:36:58,664 in a fire from an explosion. 719 00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:00,494 He repeatedly said the word semper 720 00:37:00,528 --> 00:37:02,254 and told us he was from Georgia. 721 00:37:02,289 --> 00:37:05,188 After doing a lot of research, I have found a few stories that 722 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:06,569 match what Andrew was saying. 723 00:37:06,603 --> 00:37:09,261 There was a bombing in Beirut where six Marines from Georgia 724 00:37:09,296 --> 00:37:10,055 were killed. 725 00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:21,549 I do believe that Andrew is experiencing a past life, 726 00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:23,931 and the memories are haunting him. 727 00:37:23,965 --> 00:37:27,348 I decide to show him pictures of the six Marines from Georgia 728 00:37:27,383 --> 00:37:29,281 that had died in Beirut. 729 00:37:29,316 --> 00:37:32,180 I'm hoping that this is going to resolve his issues. 730 00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:34,493 This will be our first step by looking at the pictures 731 00:37:34,528 --> 00:37:37,807 to get to this resolution. 732 00:37:37,841 --> 00:37:39,464 You know what we're going to do? - What? 733 00:37:39,498 --> 00:37:42,087 We're going to open this up and show you pictures. 734 00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:44,779 And you're going to show me if you know who they are, OK? 735 00:37:44,814 --> 00:37:45,504 OK. 736 00:37:47,955 --> 00:37:50,233 Let's see. 737 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,441 How about him? 738 00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:57,205 So you've seen him before? 739 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:57,930 Yeah. 740 00:38:00,312 --> 00:38:01,555 Were these your friends? 741 00:38:04,247 --> 00:38:05,697 They were? 742 00:38:05,731 --> 00:38:07,457 Yes. 743 00:38:07,492 --> 00:38:08,838 Which one was your friend? 744 00:38:08,872 --> 00:38:10,322 Which one were you friends with a lot? 745 00:38:14,844 --> 00:38:16,397 But he lived in Georgia. 746 00:38:20,712 --> 00:38:21,402 With you? 747 00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:23,128 That person did? 748 00:38:24,267 --> 00:38:26,200 What about any of the other gentlemen? 749 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,168 That's bad, buddy. 750 00:38:29,203 --> 00:38:30,031 Are you getting upset? 751 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:32,240 What's the matter? 752 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:34,795 Look, we'll put the picture away. 753 00:38:34,829 --> 00:38:38,108 I'm feeling overwhelmed right now at what Andrew just 754 00:38:38,143 --> 00:38:40,939 revealed to us. 755 00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:44,805 I'm feeling sadness and sorrow. 756 00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:48,084 Don't worry, buddy. 757 00:38:48,118 --> 00:38:50,949 The point of doing this research for Andrew 758 00:38:50,983 --> 00:38:54,332 was to help him not to upset him. 759 00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:57,714 I just don't want to see him going through this. 760 00:39:01,304 --> 00:39:04,376 When Andrew first us was telling us about it, 761 00:39:04,411 --> 00:39:08,691 it was very scary to hear him talk about dying. 762 00:39:08,725 --> 00:39:11,452 I guess the more that we talk about it, the more we 763 00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:15,870 try to understand it and try to help him through it. 764 00:39:15,905 --> 00:39:17,251 I would say I believe Andrew now. 765 00:39:25,293 --> 00:39:27,503 After Andrew saw the picture of the man 766 00:39:27,537 --> 00:39:30,471 that he claims he is, he's been talking 767 00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:33,681 a lot about the cemetery and how he wants to go 768 00:39:33,716 --> 00:39:36,408 see where this man is buried. 769 00:39:44,692 --> 00:39:47,246 I want this trip to go well. 770 00:39:47,281 --> 00:39:51,078 I'm nervous because I don't want him to have those memories. 771 00:39:51,112 --> 00:39:53,183 We came here to Georgia 772 00:39:53,218 --> 00:39:56,635 to see where this man is buried. 773 00:39:56,670 --> 00:40:01,295 I am hopeful that Andrew can say goodbye to his past life. 774 00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:06,438 I hope that today is something that he'll be able to do that. 775 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:07,957 for these flowers. 776 00:40:29,496 --> 00:40:33,500 It was a little emotional to see Andrew at the grave. 777 00:40:33,534 --> 00:40:37,365 To see him standing there and being next to it 778 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,990 was definitely something I wasn't expecting. 779 00:40:41,024 --> 00:40:43,371 I feel that he got what he needed out of it. 780 00:40:43,406 --> 00:40:45,684 Seeing Andrew walking around the cemetery 781 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,722 had made me feel relieved. 782 00:40:48,756 --> 00:40:50,551 He wasn't scared. 783 00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:51,690 He was OK. 784 00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:54,072 I'm definitely glad that me and my family 785 00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:58,421 were able to make the trip and do this for Andrew as a family 786 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,631 so he knows we're all here to support him and be there 787 00:41:01,666 --> 00:41:02,563 for him no matter what. 788 00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:13,609 I just want to see Andrew play, have fun, 789 00:41:13,643 --> 00:41:15,058 be a normal four-year-old. 790 00:41:15,093 --> 00:41:16,508 Whoa. 791 00:41:16,543 --> 00:41:17,475 I got you, Dad. 792 00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:18,855 You tagged me. 793 00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:21,858 I see a bright future for Andrew. 794 00:41:21,893 --> 00:41:24,689 I feel that this experience and some of the knowledge that he 795 00:41:24,723 --> 00:41:30,246 has at the age that he is will only blossom as the years come. 796 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,247 No hands. 797 00:41:31,281 --> 00:41:33,629 I think I see great things for him. 798 00:41:33,663 --> 00:41:35,838 I feel that Andrew is in a good place now, 799 00:41:35,872 --> 00:41:39,186 and he's going to move on. 800 00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,119 I'm looking forward to the future, 801 00:41:41,153 --> 00:41:46,193 and I'm very excited to see what life has planned ahead for him. 62648

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