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I'd wake up to this
ear-piercing scream.
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Ahna kept repeating,
I'm leaving my body.
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She began crafting notes to
her grandmother who had died.
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She had been
receiving responses.
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Nick's drawings
were disturbing.
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I watched her mouthing words
to someone who wasn't there.
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She began to cry, and then
went into the dying process.
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And it was eerie,
because it looked
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like he knew how to hold a gun.
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He takes off.
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He just runs.
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I was having a
small panic attack.
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Ahna had told me about
a traumatic event that happened
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involving an earthquake.
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I could never imagine that one
dream could have changed Nick's
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life forever.
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I almost broke down and cried.
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Something more was going on
here that we didn't fully
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understand.
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It hit me.
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This is real.
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It occurred to me that
she might be talking
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about a past life memory.
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My name is Deb.
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I'm Nick's mom.
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And I live in Delaware, Ohio.
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Where we live, we've about 30
miles northwest of downtown
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Columbus, Ohio.
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Lots of farms,
lots of horse ranches.
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We chose to live out
here in the country,
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because we like the
peace and quiet.
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It's tranquil.
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I had an extremely difficult
delivery with Nicholas,
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to the point where they had
to do an emergency C-section,
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because the doctor felt
Nick's life and my life were
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in danger.
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When they gave me the
epidural for the C-section,
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it did not take, and the
doctor had to cut into me
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without anesthesia.
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It felt like a burning
across my stomach.
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And all I really
remember is screaming.
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I just remember
screaming from the pain.
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I kind of blacked out.
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I didn't meet Nick
until the next day.
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The nurse brought
him in our room.
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And I just was smiling
from ear to ear.
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I was so delighted to have this
healthy, beautiful baby boy.
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From the minute I laid eyes
on Nick, I was bonded to him.
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I really was.
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He was just my joy
and my everything.
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Nick never napped.
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From a newborn on, he'd
be awake from morning
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until night, which-- my
mother was just shocked.
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She goes, no newborn
stays awake for 12 hours.
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But Nick did.
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And then, around
age three or four,
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the night terrors kicked in.
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I would wake up to this
ear-piercing, shrill scream.
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It was extremely frightening
for me to see my son screaming,
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and yelling, and literally
fighting for his life.
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It was something
he always had.
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We just thought they
were bad dreams.
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So we'd comfort him and
then go back to bed.
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But he'd had him ever
since he was a young child.
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Nothing I could say
could comfort him.
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Nothing I could do
would pull him out
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of this nightmarish experience.
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For me, as a mother, watching
my son go through this horrific
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experience-- these
night terrors--
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it was very draining on me,
because I want to fix it.
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But it's out of my hands.
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I had no control over this.
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In the morning, he would have no
memory of these night terrors.
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When Nick was a toddler,
he still didn't nap.
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He was an extremely
active child.
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Because he climbed everything.
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And he had no fear of anything.
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He'd jump off his bunk bed.
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He was always very inquisitive
and always very quick,
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very smart.
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Once he learned how to walk,
he was always into something.
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Nick was an extremely
hyperactive child.
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It was always a challenge
to get him to focus
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on any task or any project.
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When Nick would play
with his soldiers,
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it was the only time Nick
would be quiet and play quietly
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without having to be supervised.
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One of his favorite toys was
playing with the army men--
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you know, just move them
around and have little battles.
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I didn't really think
about it too much at first.
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But as we noticed over time,
he would start to, like,
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set them up in
different formations.
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And he would put
them all in a line.
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And they were very particular.
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It was more than just
a boy taking his soldier
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and going, pow, pow,
bang, I got you.
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There was strategy
behind his play.
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Nick was a high
energy kid 24/7.
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He didn't like to take naps.
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So whenever he sat
quietly and played, to us,
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it was a "yay" moment.
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Nick was normally
a very hyper child.
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So I was just astounded
that Nick would play
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with these soldiers so quietly.
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Whenever we would go to
the toy store or something,
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of course, we would go
to the weapons section.
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He liked the old
Western type of thing.
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But when he started seeing,
like, muskets from maybe
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the Civil War or the
Revolutionary War,
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those are the things that he
would always gravitate towards.
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Another activity that I found
that helped calm Nick and keep
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him quiet was sketching.
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I'd buy him crayons and markers.
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I expected pictures of puppies
or playing out in the sunshine.
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But his sketches went against
his natural personality, which
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was very happy-go-lucky, easygoing.
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So he would draw bloody,
horrific war scenes.
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I was concerned.
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What was he thinking?
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What was going on
through his head?
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And where would he even
pull these images from?
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Obviously, he'd seen some
kind of violence before.
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But when I would look at
Nick's sketches, I was upset.
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Nick's drawings were disturbing.
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My name is Chris.
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We live in Manitou Springs.
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The area is a
rich, natural area.
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Most of the town's economy
is driven by tourism.
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And it's a really exciting
place to be, at the foot
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of America's
mountain, Pike's Peak.
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Manitou Springs
is a great family town.
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We love to spend time
outdoors, walking the trails.
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My name is Jillian, and my
daughter's name is Ahna.
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When Ahna was placed in my
arms, I felt complete joy
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and wondered what I had been
doing all my life before now.
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Ahna was a quiet baby.
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She's really curious.
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She expressed a sense of
wonder about the world.
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She also exhibited
signs very early
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of being really intelligent.
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When she was 16
months old, she
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was speaking in very
clear sentences.
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However, when Ahna was three,
something out of the ordinary
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occurred.
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Our family had just moved.
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The home that we were renting
came with a rabbit whose name
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was Hop.
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The rabbit was old
and died in its hutch.
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And Ahna was deeply upset.
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I thought that any
three-year-old would be upset
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by the death of her rabbit.
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She began to cry and then
went in to the dying process.
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Ahna kept repeating,
I'm leaving my body.
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I'm OK.
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It's OK.
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You're going to be OK.
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It seemed to me that Ahna
went through the death process
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of her bunny.
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When I looked into her
eyes when she was most upset,
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I could just see her
hurt and bewilderment.
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It was devastating to
see her devastation.
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And I felt helpless
and sad myself.
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I don't know where Ahna
got the idea about dying.
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It seemed to me that it was
a sophisticated view of life
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and death for a three-year-old.
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First, it was
a little strange.
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I really didn't know
what was going on.
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And then what happened
next shocked me.
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When Ahna was three, we
were walking into a store,
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and a song was playing.
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The song was "Arms of an
Angel" by Sarah McLachlan.
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And Ahna said, every time
I hear that song, I think
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of Grandma Marti.
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Ahna was two years old
when her grandmother died.
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Ahna could not have known that
Marti was going through chemo
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and she would play "Arms of
an Angel" to comfort her.
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I was stunned.
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The first three
years of Ahna's life
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were spent in St. Louis.
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And my mother was in Colorado.
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So we were not
physically together,
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except when my mother was able
to come to St. Louis, which was
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rare, because my mother
was undergoing chemo
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and all kinds of treatment.
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Then, when she was three, we
were leaving a restaurant.
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Ahna was a little
ahead of the group.
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And I watched her look up and
start mouthing words to someone
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who wasn't there.
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Ahna's manner, the
direction of her
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gaze, and the position of her
body felt completely authentic.
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When I approached
her and asked her
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with whom she'd been speaking,
she said Grandma Marti.
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This experience happened
only a few months
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after my mother had passed away.
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I almost broke down and cried.
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A mother generally
knows when her child
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is using her imagination and
making things up versus coming
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from her authentic self.
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Something more was going
on here that we didn't fully
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understand.
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For so long, my son
had night terrors.
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Nick was absolutely
mesmerized as he
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played with these soldiers.
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And his interest in war
and weapons was growing.
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I didn't know what to do.
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I was concerned as his mother.
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What was he thinking?
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What was going on
through his head?
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And where would he even
pull these images from?
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My daughter's preschool
sent home a note
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and they said there was
a photographer there.
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So I took Nick in to have a
picture taken with his sister.
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And there was boxes of costumes
for the students to pick from.
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I thought Nick might
pick a superhero.
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Most of the costumes
were superhero costumes,
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or for current, you
know, cartoon shows.
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But instead, he put
together this outfit
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from several boxes--
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very old-fashioned looking.
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I knew it was military.
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I didn't know what time
period it was from.
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It was just really unusual.
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And the photographer
even commented,
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that's really strange.
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Your son has put together
a Civil War outfit.
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How was your son able to
put this outfit together?
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And I shrugged my shoulders.
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I had no idea.
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The photographer took a picture,
and Nick refused to smile.
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Nick was so serious.
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And he stood still as a statue
for this picture, which was not
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characteristic of Nick at all.
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Then the photographer asked
me, does your son normally
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hold still for pictures?
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And I said, absolutely not.
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Nick's always goofy
and making silly faces.
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So for me, I was shocked that
Nick was being so still and so
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serious.
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Then he held this
gun to his chest.
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It was eerie, because it looked
like he knew what he was doing.
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Like, he knew how to hold
a gun and how to pose
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for a picture like that.
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I did find it a little strange
that Nick was very fascinated
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with military history, because
we're not a military family.
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That's a little odd.
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He was always
interested in history.
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So to me, it was just an
extension of his interest.
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You know, I was really
feeling that Nick was kind
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of borderlining on focusing
too much on military history
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and battles.
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And there's more
to life than that.
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I pressured him to focus
more on other academic areas
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of his life and sports.
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It wasn't long until I found
out why my son was actually
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drawn to the military.
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And when I did find out, I
really wasn't sure what to do.
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Our daughter Ahna was
a smart, happy child.
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Ahna's grandmother died.
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Then Ahna was communicating
with her after her death.
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I don't have the answers.
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I don't understand it in detail.
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And then what happened
next amazed me.
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Around six or seven,
she began crafting notes
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to her grandmother who had
died, and to Hop, her rabbit who
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had died.
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Ahna described to me the process
of writing notes before bedtime
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and setting them
on her windowsill.
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One day, she revealed
to me that she
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had been receiving responses
and really taking them to heart.
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Ahna's conversations were simple
one-liner bits of information,
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like, I hope you're doing well.
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I miss you.
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The answers that she
got back were, I'm well,
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or, all is well.
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You have nothing to worry about.
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It was comforting for me,
because Ahna was finding
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comfort in communicating with
her grandmother and her bunny.
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I would describe myself
as curious at the time
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but not wed to the idea
that this was a reality.
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It struck me that Ahna could be
a child with just a very strong
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imagination.
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Because this is a topic
that is often not discussed.
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We don't tell our friends
and family this story.
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But then Ahna started talking
about having these visions
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of an ancient world.
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We really weren't prepared
for what she said next.
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Our daughter had an
experience of life and death
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that most of us don't have.
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And she talked
about communicating
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with those who had passed on.
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Something was happening
that I couldn't explain.
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It was very real.
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And then she told
us something else--
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something I wasn't prepared for.
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When Ahna was around
nine, Ahna started
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talking about having these
visions of an ancient world
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and her life there.
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The way she talked about it
was as if she was actually
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walking around the place
where she used to live.
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She described caves.
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She described a desert-like
environment, simple homes,
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life events, times
of transition living
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in caves with community members.
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Her description led me
to believe that this
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was an ancient civilization.
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She was being very descriptive,
from the perspective of someone
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who lives there, not from
the perspective of someone
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who imagined it or
wrote a book about it.
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It was as if she could see
herself doing the daily tasks
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that her life there involved.
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It wasn't so much
the words that Ahna was using.
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It was more of the
way she was saying it.
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The more she spoke, the
more I realized she was merely
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reporting what she had
seen, and that there
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was a whole set of experiences
and emotions that came with it.
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How could a little girl
have all this information
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about this ancient civilization?
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Ahna's been reluctant to
talk about this experience
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with a lot of other people.
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It's not something that kids
normally talk about at school.
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It can be a little
lonely when you're
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the only one in your circle who
has this type of experience.
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One day, Ahna told me
about a traumatic event
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that happened involving an
earthquake in her village.
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Ahna told me that the
earthquake was such
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that parts of the ground started
to open, and stands fell in,
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and roofs started collapsing,
and much of the townspeople
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fled.
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And she described
it very specific,
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as if she were witnessing
it all over again.
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I was amazed.
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Ahna has drawn several
of her memories.
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One of the first
things that she drew
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was islands where
she used to live.
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It was as if she drew
a map that she once
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saw when she was there.
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Ahna starts recalling
spontaneously.
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The other morning,
she woke up and said,
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I just remembered
the entire language.
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And she said, I don't know how.
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I don't know what's going on.
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But I need a piece
of paper and a pen.
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She drew them on a
three-by-five card for me
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and began to put English
words next to some of them.
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It looked like
ancient writings.
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This whole thing
is blowing me away.
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When we started to find
information that matched what
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she told us, we were amazed.
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We were online one day.
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On the screen was
that scientists
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had found this ancient
civilization named Heracleion.
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It was a digital recreation
of what they think Heracleion
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resembled.
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Heracleion was an
ancient civilization
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that had been discovered
under water in the year 2000.
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Its beginning goes back
to about 12th century BC.
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Researchers had said
that it was a port city
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and that a big earthquake
led to it being underwater.
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So the experience
that Ahna describes
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of a series of earthquakes
is very much like Heracleion.
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And Heracleion was on
an odd-shaped island.
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When Ahna and I saw
that, I thought,
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that's exactly what you drew.
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I started to wonder, is she
remembering a past life?
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My son's interest in the Civil
War and weapons was growing.
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And we really started to
notice Nick's infatuation
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with the Civil War when he took
a photo dressed as a soldier.
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The whole thing was
incredibly distressing.
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When Nick was 13, he came
down on a school morning,
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and there was something very
visibly different in Nick.
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His demeanor was
much more serious.
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It felt like he had
a very heavy heart.
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And he shared with
me an intense dream
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he had had the night before.
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And in this dream, he said
he was dressed in all grey,
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like a soldier, and he was
in some type of encampment.
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And he was sent on
some secret mission.
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And he shared the feelings
that were so intense--
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the feelings of fear
of being caught.
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Is he going to be killed?
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He remembered the scent of
horse sweat and campfire.
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And he knew he was going to a
town called Baltimore, Indiana.
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As he was describing
it, I was actually
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watching this film in my head
of my son in fear of his life.
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Those feelings were very real.
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And they were still real as he
was describing the dream to me.
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So it triggered something.
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And I knew it was more
than a dream at that point.
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It was almost as if he had
lived it, as if he had actually
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experienced that.
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You know, I thought, maybe
I should look and see
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if there actually is
a Baltimore, Indiana.
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So I typed in
Baltimore, Indiana.
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And there it is.
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Oh, my, was I shocked.
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There actually was a Baltimore,
Indiana during the Civil War.
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I had goosebumps.
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I could never imagine that one
dream could have changed Nick's
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life forever.
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So after this dream, it
triggered something in Nick.
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The floodgates started opening.
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And Nick started sharing
more and more details
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about this life as a
Civil War soldier that
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were disturbing and
fascinating at the same time.
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And he came up with
a lot of facts.
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He knew that he was in the
15th Tennessee Infantry.
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He also came up with the
name Jonathan Walters.
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He really felt that he had
lived this life as a Civil War
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soldier.
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One of the details that
Nick shared with me
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is that he had seen
his actual death scene.
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He remembered looking back and
checking on a fellow soldier,
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and then being shot.
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And he knew they'd
been shot in the neck,
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right under their jaw.
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And oddly enough, Nick had a
birthmark right under his jaw
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that was a very
unusual birthmark.
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It was very scattered, as if
it had been a bullet wound.
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Nick said, Mom, I
know I had died.
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And he shared that, when he was
shot, he looked up at the sky
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as he was falling backwards.
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And he said his last thought
was, I'll never see home.
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As Nick's mom, it's so upsetting
to hear your son describe
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his death.
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And as a mom, I wanted
to reach out and wrap my arms
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around him.
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00:24:04,719 --> 00:24:08,481
But all you can do is
tell him it'll be OK.
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My son had vivid memories of
being a Civil War soldier named
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Jonathan Walter.
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And he saw his death.
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As Nick's mom, it's so upsetting
to hear your son describe
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his death.
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But all you can
do is tell him it'll be OK.
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I don't have a strong belief
or disbelief in past lives.
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I just basically
went along and just--
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OK, let's investigate some more.
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00:25:01,327 --> 00:25:04,019
I felt that Nick had
such a strong connection
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with this soldier that it was
our responsibility to find out
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00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:14,064
about his life and see how
it connected to Nick today.
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We felt that we absolutely
had to support this research
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and support him in finding
out who Jonathan Walter was
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for his own self-esteem.
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Because Nick was
so focused on this.
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And it took his mind
off of other things
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in his life that
weren't as positive.
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Nick felt that he had died in
an area called Spring Hill.
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00:25:37,846 --> 00:25:42,161
There actually had been a battle
in Spring Hill, Tennessee.
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Spring Hill, Tennessee, if
you look in the history books,
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it's never mentioned.
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00:25:46,096 --> 00:25:49,271
But yet Nick knew there had
been a battle in Spring Hill,
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Tennessee.
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The research for us
was really challenging.
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Because many of the records
in the South for such a
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small battle were lost.
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00:26:00,213 --> 00:26:02,768
Nick felt that he
wasn't a private.
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He felt like he
had some authority.
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00:26:04,977 --> 00:26:06,081
But he wasn't high up.
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He felt maybe
possibly a sergeant.
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To research that online
is really difficult to do.
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00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:13,779
And so I knew, at that
point, if we wanted
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00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:17,541
to further our research and
take this to the next level,
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we'd actually have to visit
some libraries in Tennessee
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where they held the rosters.
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One summer, when Nick
was 13, we decided
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to take a tour of
Jackson, Tennessee,
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because they had a library
there that held the roster
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00:26:31,141 --> 00:26:33,661
of the 15th Tennessee Infantry.
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00:26:33,695 --> 00:26:36,042
Nick and I were in the library
for several hours looking
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00:26:36,077 --> 00:26:37,526
through the rosters.
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Unfortunately, we did not
see any Jonathan Walter.
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We were really devastated.
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It was like a blow to the gut.
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And we were about ready to give
up and go back to our hotel
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room.
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And then Nick just popped out
of his mouth, look up Harper.
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I think his last name is Harper.
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00:26:55,234 --> 00:26:58,651
And I knew then that Nick
had tuned in or tapped
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into something.
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00:27:00,239 --> 00:27:08,834
And on the very next page was
JW Harper, sergeant, the only JW
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Harper listed in the
15th Tennessee Infantry.
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And oh, my gosh, this is real.
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This is real.
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00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:18,395
I wasn't involved
as much as Deb was.
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But usually, in the
evenings, they'd
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00:27:19,914 --> 00:27:21,709
tell me their stories
or adventures.
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00:27:21,743 --> 00:27:24,332
Honestly, I didn't know what to
think about what they had found
487
00:27:24,366 --> 00:27:25,747
out that day.
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It was right there
in Jackson, Tennessee,
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00:27:27,818 --> 00:27:31,097
that I knew my son
Nick, a 13-year-old boy,
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had lived a life of
Jonathan Walter Harper,
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the Civil War soldier.
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00:27:36,309 --> 00:27:37,207
And it was real.
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00:27:37,241 --> 00:27:38,070
It was right there
in front of me.
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It hit me.
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00:27:43,972 --> 00:27:46,803
The following summer, we
decide to visit Spring Hill,
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Tennessee, in particular, since
Nick felt that he had passed
497
00:27:51,739 --> 00:27:54,327
away in that battle.
498
00:27:54,362 --> 00:27:58,607
I felt we needed to go as a
family to help support Nick,
499
00:27:58,642 --> 00:28:03,371
but also for more validation for
Nick, and also for my husband.
500
00:28:03,405 --> 00:28:06,408
And Nick said, pull over, Dad.
501
00:28:06,443 --> 00:28:08,617
We stopped at the
actual battlefield,
502
00:28:08,652 --> 00:28:09,688
which is fairly small.
503
00:28:12,656 --> 00:28:15,797
And Nick got out of the car and
just shout out like a cannon
504
00:28:15,832 --> 00:28:18,282
and ran through
this battlefield.
505
00:28:18,317 --> 00:28:19,180
And he takes off.
506
00:28:19,214 --> 00:28:22,045
He just runs.
507
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,426
And I didn't know
where he was going.
508
00:28:24,461 --> 00:28:25,669
And I kept calling for him.
509
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:26,566
He just took off.
510
00:28:26,601 --> 00:28:27,360
I'll be fine!
511
00:28:27,395 --> 00:28:28,948
I'll be right back!
512
00:28:28,983 --> 00:28:31,744
Then he was gone.
513
00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:34,229
I didn't know where he was.
514
00:28:34,264 --> 00:28:35,783
And we were concerned.
515
00:28:35,817 --> 00:28:38,302
We didn't want our son running
through this town we were not
516
00:28:38,337 --> 00:28:40,028
familiar with.
517
00:28:40,063 --> 00:28:41,547
I was having a
small panic attack.
518
00:28:41,581 --> 00:28:44,101
Because, you know, we're in
another state, and he's gone.
519
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,522
We were just
waiting and waiting.
520
00:28:51,557 --> 00:28:53,007
And all of a
sudden, he comes out
521
00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:56,113
from the completely different
side of the corn field.
522
00:28:56,148 --> 00:28:58,322
And I said, where were you?
523
00:28:58,357 --> 00:29:00,462
And he's like, it looked
like I'd been here before,
524
00:29:00,497 --> 00:29:03,017
and I had to go check it out.
525
00:29:03,051 --> 00:29:05,847
Nick was in another place.
526
00:29:05,882 --> 00:29:07,469
That's the only way
I can describe it.
527
00:29:07,504 --> 00:29:08,954
He was in a zone.
528
00:29:08,988 --> 00:29:10,024
His eyes were glassy.
529
00:29:10,058 --> 00:29:12,992
He was spacey.
530
00:29:13,027 --> 00:29:14,407
I kept asking him, are you OK?
531
00:29:14,442 --> 00:29:16,478
Did you find anything?
532
00:29:16,513 --> 00:29:18,170
He was very quiet--
533
00:29:18,204 --> 00:29:19,758
very quiet.
534
00:29:19,792 --> 00:29:21,138
And he said, this is it, Mom.
535
00:29:21,173 --> 00:29:23,934
This is the place.
536
00:29:23,969 --> 00:29:25,798
It was very strange
for me seeing
537
00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:27,766
Nick so quiet and serious.
538
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,390
Because he had been so
animated and happy and excited
539
00:29:31,424 --> 00:29:32,840
in the car.
540
00:29:32,874 --> 00:29:38,052
I knew something had happened
to Nick on that battlefield.
541
00:29:38,086 --> 00:29:39,847
So after we left the
Battle of Spring Hill,
542
00:29:39,881 --> 00:29:43,298
we were on our way, and we
saw a little white chapel.
543
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:44,817
And Nick said, pull over, Dad.
544
00:29:44,852 --> 00:29:46,750
I need to get out.
545
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:50,202
Behind the church, there
was a small cemetery.
546
00:29:50,236 --> 00:29:53,308
And I gave Nick his space.
547
00:29:53,343 --> 00:29:55,345
By certain gravestones,
he would just
548
00:29:55,379 --> 00:30:00,074
get very, like, melancholy,
almost like he was sad.
549
00:30:00,108 --> 00:30:01,696
And it was a little bit strange.
550
00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:03,663
He said, hey, I don't
feel really good.
551
00:30:03,698 --> 00:30:05,355
My legs feel kind of weak.
552
00:30:05,389 --> 00:30:10,498
Nick turned and looked at me
said, Mom, I know people here.
553
00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:12,017
And he said, my legs
feel like jelly.
554
00:30:12,051 --> 00:30:14,295
I don't think I can walk.
555
00:30:14,329 --> 00:30:16,366
So we helped
him back to the car.
556
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,783
We had to actually
physically help Nick.
557
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:20,991
He was shaking.
558
00:30:21,026 --> 00:30:23,131
His face was white.
559
00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:24,719
I didn't know what
was going with him.
560
00:30:24,753 --> 00:30:26,721
But something definitely
had happened there
561
00:30:26,755 --> 00:30:29,448
in that cemetery.
562
00:30:29,482 --> 00:30:33,624
It was unnerving to me to see
Nick so visibly and physically
563
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:34,556
shaken.
564
00:30:34,591 --> 00:30:35,730
I mean, he was
literally shaking.
565
00:30:38,906 --> 00:30:40,873
Him being in the
cemetery, and then he
566
00:30:40,908 --> 00:30:44,014
didn't feel very well, that
whole trip was sort of when
567
00:30:44,049 --> 00:30:47,293
things started to
link together for me.
568
00:30:47,328 --> 00:30:50,745
And so I was like, OK, I can't
discount it, because there's
569
00:30:50,779 --> 00:30:52,643
definitely something going on.
570
00:30:52,678 --> 00:30:55,232
This trip was extremely
beneficial to Nick,
571
00:30:55,267 --> 00:30:59,719
because it cemented that the
visions he had of his death,
572
00:30:59,754 --> 00:31:03,585
and the location, and seeing
tombstones, and telling me
573
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:06,485
that he knew people there
validated that Nick had
574
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,522
a life in Tennessee.
575
00:31:09,557 --> 00:31:10,661
It was real.
576
00:31:10,696 --> 00:31:13,837
I mean, he experienced
it again on this trip.
577
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:16,564
But now it's time for Nick to
disconnect from John Walter
578
00:31:16,598 --> 00:31:19,498
Harper and to move
on with his life.
579
00:31:19,532 --> 00:31:21,603
I'm really not sure what
is going to happen next.
580
00:31:28,403 --> 00:31:30,474
Her description
of life events,
581
00:31:30,509 --> 00:31:33,063
the primitive
structure of the homes,
582
00:31:33,098 --> 00:31:35,307
the original land she
lived in being devastated
583
00:31:35,341 --> 00:31:38,172
by an earthquake and
flood, times of transition,
584
00:31:38,206 --> 00:31:41,485
living in caves with
community members
585
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,627
all led me to believe that this
was an ancient civilization.
586
00:31:53,152 --> 00:31:57,122
I realized that this is not
something coming from the media
587
00:31:57,156 --> 00:31:59,538
or her imagination.
588
00:31:59,572 --> 00:32:03,369
This was a remembrance.
589
00:32:03,404 --> 00:32:09,824
It was confirmation
that past lives exist.
590
00:32:09,858 --> 00:32:11,343
My name is Ahna.
591
00:32:11,377 --> 00:32:12,137
I'm 11.
592
00:32:12,171 --> 00:32:15,209
And I'm in sixth grade.
593
00:32:15,243 --> 00:32:16,693
When I was younger,
I had memories
594
00:32:16,727 --> 00:32:21,594
of living in an ancient town,
or I would have vivid memories
595
00:32:21,629 --> 00:32:24,183
of doing daily activities.
596
00:32:24,218 --> 00:32:27,324
I remember that there
was an earthquake.
597
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:33,020
I feel like Heracleion is
connected to my past life.
598
00:32:33,054 --> 00:32:36,230
It was pretty cool to find
that something that they've
599
00:32:36,264 --> 00:32:41,718
found now connects to
something from back then.
600
00:32:41,752 --> 00:32:44,859
I feel very convinced
that her experiences are
601
00:32:44,893 --> 00:32:50,209
real to her, something
beyond a child's imagination.
602
00:32:50,244 --> 00:32:53,385
I can't imagine
being nine years old
603
00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:58,217
and having this
entire other life come
604
00:32:58,252 --> 00:33:02,290
into your consciousness.
605
00:33:02,325 --> 00:33:04,534
I do feel like
my parents believe me
606
00:33:04,568 --> 00:33:06,846
and that I had a past life.
607
00:33:06,881 --> 00:33:09,918
I don't really feel comfortable
talking to my friends
608
00:33:09,953 --> 00:33:14,751
about this, because
they may not understand.
609
00:33:14,785 --> 00:33:17,374
For Ahna, knowing that
there are kids out there who
610
00:33:17,409 --> 00:33:19,790
have similar kinds
of experiences
611
00:33:19,825 --> 00:33:22,172
can feel very grounding.
612
00:33:22,207 --> 00:33:24,554
It would be pretty
exciting to meet someone
613
00:33:24,588 --> 00:33:26,521
who has had a past life memory.
614
00:33:29,352 --> 00:33:31,388
Our family has
made arrangements
615
00:33:31,423 --> 00:33:35,634
to travel to Nevada to meet
with other families who
616
00:33:35,668 --> 00:33:37,739
have had similar experiences.
617
00:33:42,054 --> 00:33:46,231
Right now, we're headed to
a group called Earth Angels.
618
00:33:46,265 --> 00:33:50,338
And it's a gathering
for families
619
00:33:50,373 --> 00:33:54,204
who have children who've had
similar experiences to Ahna.
620
00:33:54,239 --> 00:33:59,244
I have never met someone who
has had a similar experience
621
00:33:59,278 --> 00:34:02,074
to me.
622
00:34:02,109 --> 00:34:05,388
It'd be kind of cool to know
that there's someone out there
623
00:34:05,422 --> 00:34:07,942
that's kind of
like me, in a way.
624
00:34:10,738 --> 00:34:12,188
We just
arrived at the house.
625
00:34:12,222 --> 00:34:14,604
I'm really excited to see
who's going to be here
626
00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:18,021
and how it's going
to go for Ahna.
627
00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:18,815
Hey.
628
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:19,574
Hi.
629
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:20,403
I'm Erin.
630
00:34:20,437 --> 00:34:21,714
Hi, I'm Jillian.
631
00:34:21,749 --> 00:34:23,889
From the moment Ahna walked
in, kids were greeting her
632
00:34:23,923 --> 00:34:25,442
with smiles and curiosity.
633
00:34:25,477 --> 00:34:26,685
Can you guys say hi to Ahna?
634
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,515
Hi, Ahna!
635
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:31,828
We just felt very
welcomed and very connected.
636
00:34:31,862 --> 00:34:33,140
Hi, my name's Jared.
637
00:34:33,174 --> 00:34:34,520
Jared,
nice to meet you.
638
00:34:34,555 --> 00:34:35,556
I'm Jillian.
639
00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:39,111
Thank you for welcoming us.
640
00:34:39,146 --> 00:34:40,354
Welcome, everyone.
641
00:34:40,388 --> 00:34:42,735
This is Earth Angels
Sanctuary and Learning Center.
642
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:46,532
As soon as I walked in, it
felt like, oh, a community.
643
00:34:46,567 --> 00:34:49,639
You know, we're all
in this together,
644
00:34:49,673 --> 00:34:53,505
rather than carrying
this by ourselves.
645
00:34:53,539 --> 00:34:56,197
It's as much of a
support group for us
646
00:34:56,232 --> 00:34:57,923
as it is for the
kids just to have--
647
00:34:57,957 --> 00:34:58,751
Sure
648
00:34:58,786 --> 00:35:00,132
To be able to be themselves.
649
00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:04,826
That's how it started, was
she just wanted to invite, like,
650
00:35:04,861 --> 00:35:08,175
kids and their families to have
a place to go, and to talk,
651
00:35:08,209 --> 00:35:11,005
and to realize that
they're not the only ones.
652
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,145
I felt a giddy
kind of excitement--
653
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:13,973
Yeah
654
00:35:14,008 --> 00:35:16,286
in hearing from--
655
00:35:16,321 --> 00:35:18,392
hearing about other
people's stories--
656
00:35:18,426 --> 00:35:19,600
their kids' stories.
657
00:35:19,634 --> 00:35:21,188
There's only a
few friends that I
658
00:35:21,222 --> 00:35:26,124
have felt comfortable
enough to tell them.
659
00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:28,988
So today, we're going to paint
whatever you decide that you
660
00:35:29,023 --> 00:35:30,335
want to paint.
661
00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:34,304
It was just great to be in
the company of other people
662
00:35:34,339 --> 00:35:38,412
that have gone through kind
of different experiences.
663
00:35:47,248 --> 00:35:52,322
I hope that she takes away
validation for her experience
664
00:35:52,357 --> 00:35:55,360
and a sense of community
and camaraderie.
665
00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:01,918
There are a lot
of nice people.
666
00:36:01,952 --> 00:36:04,852
I got to do art.
667
00:36:04,886 --> 00:36:10,927
This experience is, I
think, life-changing for Ahna,
668
00:36:10,961 --> 00:36:12,825
and for us.
669
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:13,585
It was really fun.
670
00:36:21,731 --> 00:36:25,424
After we validated his name,
the towns, the locations,
671
00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:28,186
the battles, Nick's
self-confidence soared.
672
00:36:35,814 --> 00:36:38,713
This trip was extremely
beneficial to Nick.
673
00:36:38,748 --> 00:36:41,613
And for me as a mom,
it was wonderful.
674
00:36:41,647 --> 00:36:44,271
And I felt so blessed
that we had actually
675
00:36:44,305 --> 00:36:45,720
had this experience.
676
00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:46,790
My name's Nick.
677
00:36:46,825 --> 00:36:50,104
And I'm a sophomore
at Ohio University.
678
00:36:50,138 --> 00:36:52,071
The first time I went to
Spring Hill, you know,
679
00:36:52,106 --> 00:36:53,452
I was very young.
680
00:36:53,487 --> 00:36:56,938
And I really wasn't prepared for
what I was about to experience.
681
00:36:56,973 --> 00:36:59,941
But I would like to go
back there, especially now.
682
00:36:59,976 --> 00:37:04,739
Because right now, I'm the age
that JW Harper would have been
683
00:37:04,774 --> 00:37:06,189
while he was fighting.
684
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,295
It's very possible
that JW Harper
685
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:12,575
could have died very close to
here, or even on this property.
686
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:13,783
I don't know.
687
00:37:13,817 --> 00:37:15,336
But I'm really
anxious to find out.
688
00:37:27,866 --> 00:37:30,593
When JW Harper died,
he was very young.
689
00:37:30,627 --> 00:37:33,251
And he had this whole
life ahead of him.
690
00:37:33,285 --> 00:37:36,288
But now, in this
lifetime, it's my turn
691
00:37:36,323 --> 00:37:38,532
to live the life that he
never got the chance to.
692
00:37:46,678 --> 00:37:49,059
I feel it's time
for me to separate
693
00:37:49,094 --> 00:37:50,820
the past from the present.
694
00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:52,270
And I would really
like the chance
695
00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:59,829
to say a final goodbye to this
lifetime, this experience.
696
00:37:59,863 --> 00:38:03,004
The last time I was here at
the Spring Hill battlefield
697
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,075
was six years ago.
698
00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:08,527
When I was here, I kind of
flipped out a little bit.
699
00:38:08,562 --> 00:38:11,116
I took off running.
700
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:12,013
I kind of blacked out.
701
00:38:12,048 --> 00:38:14,188
I don't really
remember anything.
702
00:38:14,222 --> 00:38:18,226
I feel like I have some sense
of unfinished business here.
703
00:38:18,261 --> 00:38:20,539
Before I came here,
I sort of reopened
704
00:38:20,574 --> 00:38:24,578
this area of my past life
and continued doing research.
705
00:38:24,612 --> 00:38:29,272
What I found out was that
the 15th Tennessee Infantry,
706
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,344
at one point in the battle,
passed through the property
707
00:38:32,379 --> 00:38:35,071
of Rippavilla Plantation
and actually, at one point,
708
00:38:35,105 --> 00:38:37,970
fought on this property.
709
00:38:38,005 --> 00:38:40,283
I really felt that
I needed to be here
710
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:43,700
and I needed to see
this place for myself
711
00:38:43,735 --> 00:38:46,289
and just get some
sort of closure.
712
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:47,635
Nice to meet you.
- Chuck Byrn.
713
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:48,567
Nice to meet you.
714
00:38:48,602 --> 00:38:49,913
What can I do for you today?
715
00:38:49,948 --> 00:38:51,639
Well, I'd like to
know a little bit more
716
00:38:51,674 --> 00:38:55,436
about the battle and find
out about the 15th Tennessee
717
00:38:55,471 --> 00:38:56,437
Infantry.
718
00:38:56,472 --> 00:38:57,852
What was left of
the 15th Tennessee
719
00:38:57,887 --> 00:39:01,546
had been pretty much decimated
by the time they got to Spring
720
00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:04,342
Hill in 1864.
721
00:39:04,376 --> 00:39:06,205
I think
wherever I had died,
722
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,725
it was definitely near a farm
or a plantation of some sort.
723
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,521
Because one thing I remember
is coming out of the tree line
724
00:39:11,556 --> 00:39:16,388
and seeing an overturned red
wagon about 10 yards diagonal
725
00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:17,631
to me.
726
00:39:17,665 --> 00:39:19,840
And I'm thinking, I need
to take cover behind there.
727
00:39:19,874 --> 00:39:23,430
Because in my dream, I could
hear the bullets whizzing by.
728
00:39:23,464 --> 00:39:25,639
So my first instinct was
to go behind that wagon.
729
00:39:25,673 --> 00:39:27,123
And then that's
why I turned around
730
00:39:27,157 --> 00:39:29,781
to check if my friend was OK,
because the shell went off.
731
00:39:29,815 --> 00:39:30,609
And it stops.
732
00:39:30,644 --> 00:39:31,541
And I turn around.
733
00:39:31,576 --> 00:39:33,819
It's right when I turn around.
734
00:39:33,854 --> 00:39:35,027
You wake up.
735
00:39:35,062 --> 00:39:36,235
Lights out, yeah.
736
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:40,239
Well, you are actually
standing, right over here,
737
00:39:40,274 --> 00:39:43,311
on what is the last action
of the Battle of Spring
738
00:39:43,346 --> 00:39:44,899
Hill on November the 30th.
739
00:39:44,934 --> 00:39:45,900
I'll tell you what.
740
00:39:45,935 --> 00:39:47,419
We'll walk up towards
the battlefield
741
00:39:47,454 --> 00:39:49,214
and I'll point some
more stuff out for you.
742
00:39:49,248 --> 00:39:50,491
OK.
Thank you.
743
00:39:50,526 --> 00:39:52,320
One of the historians here
at the Rippavilla Plantation
744
00:39:52,355 --> 00:39:55,600
has been kind enough to
show me around the property
745
00:39:55,634 --> 00:39:57,705
and just give me a
tour of the grounds
746
00:39:57,740 --> 00:40:00,328
and answer a lot of
my questions I have.
747
00:40:00,363 --> 00:40:02,607
When they would
have been there,
748
00:40:02,641 --> 00:40:04,091
would that have
been during the day
749
00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:06,438
or towards the evening, when
it started getting dark?
750
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:07,784
4:00.
751
00:40:07,819 --> 00:40:09,234
4:00 to 5:00.
752
00:40:09,268 --> 00:40:11,063
OK, so it still would
have been light out.
753
00:40:11,098 --> 00:40:12,444
Yeah, yeah.
754
00:40:12,479 --> 00:40:15,343
OK, so do you know if, back
then, there were, like, trees--
755
00:40:15,378 --> 00:40:16,759
like, a lot of
trees around here?
756
00:40:16,793 --> 00:40:20,763
The maple tree, the
Magnolia tree, the beech tree.
757
00:40:20,797 --> 00:40:23,593
There were scores of trees
around here at that time.
758
00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:25,699
They're still here now.
759
00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:28,287
If you see where the tractor
is, down at the end of the road,
760
00:40:28,322 --> 00:40:29,461
you see the big--
761
00:40:29,496 --> 00:40:31,463
it looks like a big giant
lying across the road.
762
00:40:31,498 --> 00:40:32,878
That went down three weeks ago.
763
00:40:32,913 --> 00:40:34,328
It's a 400-year-old oak tree.
764
00:40:34,362 --> 00:40:35,122
Oh, wow.
765
00:40:35,156 --> 00:40:38,194
So yeah, it's possible.
766
00:40:38,228 --> 00:40:40,507
So that could have been the
very ridge that I had seen
767
00:40:40,541 --> 00:40:41,784
in my dream.
768
00:40:41,818 --> 00:40:42,750
Very much so.
769
00:40:42,785 --> 00:40:44,649
It very well could be.
770
00:40:44,683 --> 00:40:45,719
OK.
771
00:40:45,753 --> 00:40:46,720
Well, it's funny.
772
00:40:46,754 --> 00:40:48,515
Because when we
first pulled in here,
773
00:40:48,549 --> 00:40:51,241
I immediately was looking
in that direction.
774
00:40:51,276 --> 00:40:54,831
You know, it's very
possible that JW Harper
775
00:40:54,866 --> 00:40:59,215
could have died very close to
here, or even on this property.
776
00:40:59,249 --> 00:41:00,492
I don't know.
777
00:41:00,527 --> 00:41:02,598
But I'm really
anxious to find out.
778
00:41:02,632 --> 00:41:04,669
So you think, with
the description
779
00:41:04,703 --> 00:41:08,086
I have from my dream
and set in the daytime,
780
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,847
you think this is the most
probable place where that
781
00:41:10,882 --> 00:41:12,090
occurred?
782
00:41:12,124 --> 00:41:14,230
I think probably around
Bradley's Knoll or Weaver's
783
00:41:14,264 --> 00:41:15,024
Hill.
784
00:41:15,058 --> 00:41:16,370
OK.
785
00:41:16,404 --> 00:41:19,166
I was explaining to Chuck
about what I saw in my dreams.
786
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,515
And he was pretty much able
to recognize what I saw
787
00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:26,898
and put me in the right
direction to where it was.
788
00:41:26,932 --> 00:41:28,624
And it's, like, right here.
789
00:41:35,596 --> 00:41:37,943
It felt really good just
to have that confirmation.
790
00:41:37,978 --> 00:41:39,842
Because, I mean, as soon
as we pulled in here,
791
00:41:39,876 --> 00:41:42,500
I was immediately
drawn to that area.
792
00:41:42,534 --> 00:41:46,331
And now I know why.
793
00:41:46,365 --> 00:41:50,024
I feel like I have,
definitely, a sense of closure
794
00:41:50,059 --> 00:41:53,441
now, especially since he was
able to fill in all the blanks
795
00:41:53,476 --> 00:41:55,547
that I had.
796
00:41:55,582 --> 00:41:59,586
Now I just feel like,
OK, I'm done with that,
797
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:02,036
and I can move on now.
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