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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,257 --> 00:00:51,091 Shall we do a mic test, Bill? 2 00:00:51,091 --> 00:00:53,219 Well, I'll just talk about that loud, don't I? 3 00:00:50,033 --> 00:00:51,368 Not much louder. 4 00:00:51,368 --> 00:00:52,829 It looks like it's got quite a good level there. 5 00:00:53,829 --> 00:00:56,039 Bouncin' about. 6 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,876 Yep. 7 00:00:57,876 --> 00:00:59,673 Here we go. 8 00:01:14,226 --> 00:01:15,894 Play simple. 9 00:01:15,894 --> 00:01:18,858 You're leavin' space and holes for people to fill in. 10 00:01:20,859 --> 00:01:23,113 Not to get in the way. Not to be really noticed. 11 00:01:25,113 --> 00:01:26,448 'Cause if you did the right thing 12 00:01:26,448 --> 00:01:28,074 you don't get noticed. 13 00:01:28,074 --> 00:01:30,746 And that's the way I play. Very simple. 14 00:01:32,747 --> 00:01:36,250 I am Charlie Watts. I am the drummer. 15 00:01:36,250 --> 00:01:39,545 I'm Brian Jones, the guitarist and harmonica player. 16 00:01:39,545 --> 00:01:41,672 Keith Richards, guitar. 17 00:01:41,672 --> 00:01:45,092 Mick Jagger, s.. I sing...songs. 18 00:01:45,093 --> 00:01:49,680 Bill Wyman. I play bass...guitar. 19 00:02:04,404 --> 00:02:06,281 ♪ I see a red door ♪ 20 00:02:06,282 --> 00:02:10,371 ♪ And I want it painted black ♪ 21 00:02:10,371 --> 00:02:12,622 ♪ No colors anymore ♪ 22 00:02:12,622 --> 00:02:16,293 ♪ I want them to turn black ♪ 23 00:02:16,293 --> 00:02:18,670 ♪ I see the girls walk by ♪ 24 00:02:18,671 --> 00:02:21,341 ♪ Dressed in their summer clothes ♪ 25 00:02:22,551 --> 00:02:24,718 ♪ I have to turn my head ♪ 26 00:02:24,718 --> 00:02:28,473 ♪ Until my darkness goes ♪ 27 00:02:28,473 --> 00:02:30,891 ♪ I see a line of cars ♪ 28 00:02:30,892 --> 00:02:34,605 ♪ And they're all painted black ♪ 29 00:02:34,605 --> 00:02:35,857 ♪ With flowers and my love ♪ 30 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:40,778 ♪ Both never to come back ♪ 31 00:02:40,779 --> 00:02:42,823 ♪ I see people turn their heads ♪ 32 00:02:42,823 --> 00:02:46,618 ♪ And quickly look away ♪ 33 00:02:46,618 --> 00:02:48,536 ♪ Like a newborn baby ♪ 34 00:02:48,536 --> 00:02:52,874 ♪ It just happens every day ♪ 35 00:02:52,875 --> 00:02:55,043 ♪ I look inside myself ♪ 36 00:02:55,043 --> 00:02:58,798 ♪ And see my heart is black ♪ 37 00:02:58,798 --> 00:03:00,674 ♪ I see my red door ♪ 38 00:03:00,674 --> 00:03:03,845 ♪ I must have it painted black ♪ 39 00:03:04,846 --> 00:03:07,056 ♪ Maybe then I'll fade away ♪ 40 00:03:07,056 --> 00:03:09,852 ♪ And not have to face the facts ♪ 41 00:03:10,852 --> 00:03:12,980 ♪ It's not easy facin' up ♪ 42 00:03:12,980 --> 00:03:17,150 ♪ When your whole world is black ♪ 43 00:03:17,151 --> 00:03:19,069 ♪ No more will my green sea ♪ 44 00:03:19,069 --> 00:03:23,365 ♪ Go turn a deeper blue ♪ 45 00:03:23,365 --> 00:03:25,869 ♪ I could not foresee this thing ♪ 46 00:03:25,869 --> 00:03:29,497 ♪ Happening to you ♪ 47 00:03:29,498 --> 00:03:31,709 You've always been the silent Stone. 48 00:03:31,709 --> 00:03:32,919 That's been the-- the image. 49 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,670 The great Stone Face, I know. 50 00:03:35,670 --> 00:03:37,798 ♪ My love will laugh with me ♪ 51 00:03:37,798 --> 00:03:41,436 ♪ Before the mornin' comes ♪♪ 52 00:04:46,497 --> 00:04:50,418 People always ask me why I collected things 53 00:04:50,419 --> 00:04:54,306 and why I built an archive like I did and still do. 54 00:05:01,307 --> 00:05:05,395 This is my little capsule of my life in here. 55 00:05:06,395 --> 00:05:08,480 I suppose if you looked at my bookshelves 56 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,653 you would sort of understand me better. 57 00:05:14,654 --> 00:05:16,947 I always thought it was important to keep a record 58 00:05:16,947 --> 00:05:19,325 of what was going on. 59 00:05:19,325 --> 00:05:21,161 I've -- I've always kept records 60 00:05:21,161 --> 00:05:22,620 or information of things 61 00:05:22,621 --> 00:05:25,251 since I was a-- a little boy in the war. 62 00:05:42,017 --> 00:05:43,810 I remember standing out in the streets 63 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:45,896 with all the local families 64 00:05:45,897 --> 00:05:49,191 and watching the formations of German bombers going over. 65 00:05:49,191 --> 00:05:51,027 It was just droning. 66 00:05:51,027 --> 00:05:52,570 Just this sound. 67 00:05:52,570 --> 00:05:54,197 There was a German fighter bomber 68 00:05:54,197 --> 00:05:56,823 roaring up the street towards us firing his guns. 69 00:05:58,035 --> 00:05:59,912 As it passed, I ran down the street 70 00:05:59,912 --> 00:06:02,456 to where my grandmother was waiting for me. 71 00:06:02,456 --> 00:06:04,833 She grabbed me and we ran to go down 72 00:06:04,833 --> 00:06:07,211 the back of the stairs to the air raid shelter. 73 00:06:17,472 --> 00:06:19,145 And then the silence. 74 00:06:25,146 --> 00:06:27,441 You go back to the school, and there were two little girls 75 00:06:27,441 --> 00:06:29,068 who was in our class, they weren't there anymore. 76 00:06:29,068 --> 00:06:31,112 They got killed. 77 00:06:31,112 --> 00:06:32,571 We go to that bomb site 78 00:06:32,572 --> 00:06:35,074 where there used to be about 16 houses 79 00:06:35,074 --> 00:06:37,118 and find toys and children's books 80 00:06:37,118 --> 00:06:40,413 and then we'd get chased off by the air raid men. 81 00:06:42,416 --> 00:06:44,459 My grandmother was like my mother. 82 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:46,212 I mean, she taught me everything. 83 00:06:46,212 --> 00:06:47,090 She was wonderful. 84 00:06:49,090 --> 00:06:51,342 She started me collectin' things. 85 00:06:52,342 --> 00:06:53,981 All kinds of treasured little things. 86 00:07:04,982 --> 00:07:08,067 I was collectin' stuff and I made a scrapbook. 87 00:07:08,068 --> 00:07:09,570 And then I had to make another scrapbook 88 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:11,364 and another scrapbook. 89 00:07:11,364 --> 00:07:13,616 Then I have to get a trunk. 90 00:07:13,616 --> 00:07:15,705 And it just kept goin' on and on. 91 00:07:19,706 --> 00:07:22,042 Whenever I came into contact with anything 92 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:25,006 that I could claim was mine, I kept it. 93 00:07:27,006 --> 00:07:29,595 Throw it in the room here. Throw it in the room. 94 00:07:33,596 --> 00:07:35,098 I always wanted to be a musician. 95 00:07:35,098 --> 00:07:37,558 I always wanted to be in a band. 96 00:07:37,558 --> 00:07:41,313 And I know it was so impossible and so unlikely 97 00:07:41,313 --> 00:07:44,149 um, that I would be that I just dismissed it 98 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:45,984 completely from my mind. 99 00:07:45,984 --> 00:07:49,614 And, um, suddenly last year.. 100 00:07:49,614 --> 00:07:52,367 ...I -- I re -- remembered, you know, after all that time. 101 00:07:52,367 --> 00:07:54,035 I suddenly remembered that I'd always wanted to be 102 00:07:54,036 --> 00:07:55,579 and now I was, you know. 103 00:07:55,579 --> 00:07:57,831 It didn't mean a thing to me anymore. 104 00:07:57,831 --> 00:07:59,458 It was a big, it was such a big ambition. 105 00:07:59,458 --> 00:08:02,293 It was-- it was unobtainable when I was little. 106 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:11,388 I was coming from one of the worst streets in Penge. 107 00:08:11,388 --> 00:08:13,349 It was like gang warfare in those days. 108 00:08:15,349 --> 00:08:16,977 Most of the boys in Blenheim Road 109 00:08:16,978 --> 00:08:19,521 ended up in borstals or prisons 110 00:08:19,521 --> 00:08:22,023 and a lot of them went bad. 111 00:08:22,023 --> 00:08:24,651 I was really quite ahead of everybody 112 00:08:24,651 --> 00:08:26,696 because of what my gran was teaching me. 113 00:08:26,696 --> 00:08:29,742 She did whatever she could to bring me up. 114 00:08:31,743 --> 00:08:35,373 My mom and my dad were not that kind of people. 115 00:08:36,373 --> 00:08:39,626 There was a emptiness, a blankness in 'em. 116 00:08:39,626 --> 00:08:41,961 All that working-class stuff 117 00:08:41,962 --> 00:08:44,548 that children should be seen and not heard. 118 00:08:44,548 --> 00:08:48,052 You felt pushed aside all the time. 119 00:08:48,052 --> 00:08:50,305 I never really felt like I had a home, you know. 120 00:08:50,305 --> 00:08:52,725 I really didn't. 121 00:08:58,397 --> 00:09:01,024 I went to a grammar school, which was something special 122 00:09:01,024 --> 00:09:04,571 you know, in those days, um, coming from a slum street. 123 00:09:05,572 --> 00:09:08,616 I was accused of trying to be snobby 124 00:09:08,616 --> 00:09:12,453 by my mates in the street and also by my dad. 125 00:09:12,453 --> 00:09:16,916 He always tried to insist that I was working class 126 00:09:16,917 --> 00:09:18,377 and I should never try to change 127 00:09:18,377 --> 00:09:20,089 because that's what I was. 128 00:09:23,089 --> 00:09:24,842 My dad pulled me out of school 129 00:09:24,842 --> 00:09:26,593 and the headmaster wrote a letter to him. 130 00:09:26,594 --> 00:09:28,062 I've got it. I've got the letter. 131 00:09:36,062 --> 00:09:38,607 And not only did he pull me out of school 132 00:09:38,608 --> 00:09:40,735 he did the worst thing possible. 133 00:09:41,735 --> 00:09:42,863 Put me to work in a bettin' shop. 134 00:09:43,863 --> 00:09:47,283 He said, "You're gonna contribute to payin' for the house." 135 00:09:47,283 --> 00:09:49,786 Because he was a bricklayer, and if he had bad weather in the winter 136 00:09:49,787 --> 00:09:51,996 he couldn't work. 137 00:09:51,996 --> 00:09:55,292 I returned to live with my grandmother a number of times 138 00:09:55,292 --> 00:09:57,048 because I just couldn't get on with my dad at all. 139 00:10:05,761 --> 00:10:07,475 I realized I was on me own. 140 00:10:10,475 --> 00:10:12,184 Once my grandmother died 141 00:10:12,184 --> 00:10:15,650 being loved kind of vanished, really. 142 00:10:18,651 --> 00:10:22,698 She died when I was away and I just never.. 143 00:10:23,698 --> 00:10:25,324 ...paid her back, really 144 00:10:25,325 --> 00:10:29,162 for all the love and affection she gave me 145 00:10:29,162 --> 00:10:31,335 and I feel guilty about it. 146 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:39,171 When I was born, she picked me up in-- in her arms 147 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:42,176 and said, "This boy's gonna be world-famous." 148 00:10:42,176 --> 00:10:44,303 And everybody laughed 149 00:10:44,303 --> 00:10:47,557 including my mom, my dad, my relatives. 150 00:10:47,558 --> 00:10:49,064 They all thought it was like a big joke. 151 00:10:57,192 --> 00:10:58,694 Yeah. 152 00:11:11,459 --> 00:11:13,713 ♪ I wanna tell you how it's gonna be ♪ 153 00:11:15,713 --> 00:11:18,175 ♪ You're gonna give your love to me ♪♪ 154 00:11:20,175 --> 00:11:23,094 Give it up for the Rolling Stones. 155 00:11:24,388 --> 00:11:25,724 ♪ It sounds so sweet ♪ 156 00:11:25,724 --> 00:11:28,726 The audience just stood and sort of stared at us 157 00:11:28,726 --> 00:11:30,979 because we didn't have no uniforms 158 00:11:30,979 --> 00:11:33,023 we didn't have any matching guitars 159 00:11:33,023 --> 00:11:35,566 and we played this blues and R&B 160 00:11:35,567 --> 00:11:38,238 which was alien to them. 161 00:11:38,238 --> 00:11:40,366 And then this crowd goes fucking apeshit. 162 00:11:42,366 --> 00:11:44,744 ♪ Going round and round ♪ 163 00:11:44,744 --> 00:11:47,246 ♪ Yeah reelin' and a rockin' ♪ 164 00:11:47,247 --> 00:11:49,707 ♪ What a crazy sound ♪ 165 00:11:49,707 --> 00:11:52,126 ♪ And they never stopped rockin' ♪ 166 00:11:52,126 --> 00:11:54,010 ♪ Till the moon went down ♪♪ 167 00:12:22,536 --> 00:12:25,413 We were just so different from any other band. 168 00:12:25,413 --> 00:12:27,165 We played different music to them. 169 00:12:27,165 --> 00:12:30,042 We played in a different way. We played it better than them. 170 00:12:30,042 --> 00:12:31,920 Keith had all the licks off. 171 00:12:31,921 --> 00:12:33,255 And then you got Mick up front 172 00:12:33,255 --> 00:12:35,466 who's just all over the bloody stage 173 00:12:35,466 --> 00:12:37,802 with the maracas and the tambourine and all that. 174 00:12:37,802 --> 00:12:39,971 The greatest front man there's ever been. 175 00:12:44,518 --> 00:12:46,020 It was a special band 176 00:12:46,020 --> 00:12:47,813 and we could blow anyone off the stage 177 00:12:47,813 --> 00:12:49,814 no matter who it was. 178 00:12:59,074 --> 00:13:02,203 Bill had a very individual style 179 00:13:02,203 --> 00:13:05,415 that wasn't particularly hip or cool 180 00:13:05,415 --> 00:13:09,335 but he was his own person. 181 00:13:09,336 --> 00:13:12,256 He had a tremendous presence 182 00:13:12,256 --> 00:13:15,383 but he didn't impose himself on you. 183 00:13:15,383 --> 00:13:17,511 Stone Face, I think people called him 184 00:13:17,511 --> 00:13:19,972 or referred to him as Stone Face. 185 00:13:19,973 --> 00:13:21,850 He was rake thin 186 00:13:21,850 --> 00:13:25,519 and when he smiled, which wasn't that frequently 187 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:27,230 his whole face lit up 188 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:29,691 in a sort of great crease of a smile. 189 00:13:29,691 --> 00:13:34,489 And he always had an air of world-weariness. 190 00:13:36,490 --> 00:13:39,702 I remember seeing Bill when we first rehearsed 191 00:13:39,702 --> 00:13:41,370 up the road in a pub. 192 00:13:41,371 --> 00:13:44,540 You know, he'd had a different sort of upbringing. 193 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:49,087 He's locked into an era that was before us, really. 194 00:13:49,087 --> 00:13:50,381 So when we got on the road 195 00:13:50,381 --> 00:13:53,387 I think it was like liberation for him. 196 00:13:57,388 --> 00:14:00,224 I went into the military in '55. 197 00:14:00,224 --> 00:14:02,768 Thank God I got the strength when I was in the military 198 00:14:02,768 --> 00:14:04,436 to be able to stand up for myself 199 00:14:04,436 --> 00:14:06,606 and fight for my beliefs. 200 00:14:06,607 --> 00:14:08,191 Before that, I couldn't. 201 00:14:23,874 --> 00:14:25,460 I was posted to Germany. 202 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:26,921 When I got there, I met this great guy 203 00:14:27,922 --> 00:14:30,091 who was a genius footballer. 204 00:14:30,091 --> 00:14:32,843 His name was Gordon Lee Wyman. 205 00:14:32,843 --> 00:14:34,470 He was bit of a rebel. 206 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:36,346 All his clothes were scruffy. 207 00:14:36,346 --> 00:14:38,140 And I kind of really liked him for that 208 00:14:38,140 --> 00:14:40,393 because we all had to dress tidy and neat 209 00:14:40,394 --> 00:14:42,103 otherwise we got a bollocking. 210 00:14:42,103 --> 00:14:44,192 But he seemed to get away with it. 211 00:14:51,573 --> 00:14:52,909 He used to be in the refuelin' trucks 212 00:14:53,909 --> 00:14:56,953 and he'd open the top when it was being refueled. 213 00:14:56,953 --> 00:14:58,287 He'd be smokin' a cigarette 214 00:14:58,287 --> 00:15:00,122 and he'd just throw the cigarette in the fuel. 215 00:15:00,122 --> 00:15:02,000 He did insane things. 216 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,794 When he finished his fag, he just dropped it in there. 217 00:15:17,017 --> 00:15:20,062 He was like the first person I kind of idolized 218 00:15:20,062 --> 00:15:21,480 if you like. 219 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,946 He did things his way, and I related to all that. 220 00:15:29,947 --> 00:15:33,159 At the beginning of the Stones, I decided to change my name 221 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,787 because I'd never liked my name. 222 00:15:35,787 --> 00:15:40,332 I officially changed my name in '64 to Bill Wyman. 223 00:15:40,333 --> 00:15:43,254 I felt such a relief havin' a different name 224 00:15:43,254 --> 00:15:45,631 and it just took a cloud off my head. 225 00:15:46,631 --> 00:15:48,842 My dad hated me for it. 226 00:15:48,842 --> 00:15:51,844 He thought I was trying to get away from my roots 227 00:15:51,845 --> 00:15:53,765 which I kind of was in a way. 228 00:15:53,765 --> 00:15:55,686 I mean, it just changed my life. 229 00:15:58,686 --> 00:16:02,359 I bought a fleck jacket just to be different, really. 230 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,363 I'd have a Tony Curtis haircut 231 00:16:07,363 --> 00:16:10,324 hanging down the center there, you know, a curly bit. 232 00:16:10,324 --> 00:16:12,701 People used to stare at me in the street 233 00:16:12,702 --> 00:16:14,788 and I was proud of that. 234 00:16:14,788 --> 00:16:16,334 I was being an odd one out. 235 00:16:26,842 --> 00:16:30,597 At the barracks, the guys in our room all clubbed together. 236 00:16:30,597 --> 00:16:34,766 We bought a radio in town, in Oldenburg, for our room 237 00:16:34,766 --> 00:16:37,728 and at last we were able to listen to whatever we wanted 238 00:16:37,729 --> 00:16:41,275 mostly through American Forces Radio, AFN. 239 00:16:41,275 --> 00:16:43,235 We'd wake up at 5:30 in the morning 240 00:16:43,235 --> 00:16:45,320 and listen to "Stickbuddy Jamboree" 241 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,240 this fantastic country program. 242 00:16:48,241 --> 00:16:50,993 A very big, big, happy howdy to you out there, friends and neighbors. 243 00:16:50,993 --> 00:16:52,954 This is your old country buddy Wagon Wheel Willie 244 00:16:52,954 --> 00:16:55,205 comin' at you on "Stickbuddy Jamboree." 245 00:16:55,205 --> 00:16:58,126 Sit back and relax and enjoy 25 minutes 246 00:16:58,126 --> 00:17:01,795 of good country and western recorded music. 247 00:17:07,093 --> 00:17:09,138 Then, of course, shortly after that 248 00:17:09,138 --> 00:17:10,973 we heard the beginnings of rock and roll. 249 00:17:17,356 --> 00:17:18,774 ♪ Train I ride ♪ 250 00:17:18,774 --> 00:17:21,068 I could go to the American PSI shops 251 00:17:21,068 --> 00:17:24,491 and buy the first little 45 records. 252 00:17:27,492 --> 00:17:29,451 ♪ Train I ride ♪♪ 253 00:17:29,451 --> 00:17:30,786 It was just like brand-new music. 254 00:17:30,786 --> 00:17:32,121 It just blew me away. 255 00:17:32,121 --> 00:17:33,790 And I had to be involved in it. 256 00:17:33,791 --> 00:17:35,583 I had to. 257 00:17:35,583 --> 00:17:38,629 I went straight down into the Oldenburg town 258 00:17:38,629 --> 00:17:41,051 and I bought my first acoustic guitar. 259 00:17:44,051 --> 00:17:46,679 When I came out of the military on leave 260 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,973 I went to the cinema, the, uh, Regal Cinema 261 00:17:48,973 --> 00:17:51,977 in Beckenham with a couple of friends 262 00:17:51,977 --> 00:17:54,730 and we saw this film called "Rock, Rock, Rock!" 263 00:17:56,731 --> 00:17:58,985 About halfway through, I saw this trio 264 00:17:58,985 --> 00:18:01,362 called Johnny Burnette Trio who did this.. 265 00:18:01,362 --> 00:18:02,989 ♪ Lonesome train ♪ 266 00:18:02,989 --> 00:18:04,448 ...on a lonesome track. 267 00:18:04,448 --> 00:18:06,241 ♪ Tum tum lonesome train ♪ 268 00:18:06,241 --> 00:18:07,660 A bit like early Elvis. 269 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:07,911 ♪ I'm coming back ♪♪ 270 00:18:08,912 --> 00:18:09,954 With all this, you know 271 00:18:09,954 --> 00:18:10,998 his mouth a bit twisted 272 00:18:10,998 --> 00:18:12,249 like Elvis and all that. 273 00:18:12,249 --> 00:18:14,792 I thought, "Oh, they're great," you know. 274 00:18:14,792 --> 00:18:17,211 About ten minutes further into the film 275 00:18:17,211 --> 00:18:20,590 there's this black guy with a little mustache 276 00:18:20,591 --> 00:18:22,135 in a white suit 277 00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:25,847 with a little Gibson Les Paul guitar. 278 00:18:25,847 --> 00:18:30,350 ♪ Do do do la da da do do da la da da da ♪♪ 279 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:31,853 Chuck Berry. 280 00:18:35,523 --> 00:18:37,275 And that just blew my mind. 281 00:18:37,275 --> 00:18:37,944 My hair went on the back of my neck. 282 00:18:38,944 --> 00:18:42,531 I thought, "Fuckin' hell." It just blew me away. 283 00:18:42,531 --> 00:18:45,075 This guy was doin' the duck walk across the stage 284 00:18:45,076 --> 00:18:47,579 and shakin' his legs and shudderin'. 285 00:18:47,579 --> 00:18:48,996 And the audience are laughing. 286 00:18:48,996 --> 00:18:50,874 They thought it was a comedy show or something. 287 00:18:50,874 --> 00:18:52,041 And I'm sitting there thinking 288 00:18:52,041 --> 00:18:53,752 "This is the most incredible thing 289 00:18:53,752 --> 00:18:55,044 that's ever happened to me." 290 00:18:55,045 --> 00:18:56,630 It was then that I thought 291 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:58,465 "Well, I've got to form a band." 292 00:18:58,465 --> 00:19:00,842 ♪ Get too close you know I'm gone ♪ 293 00:19:00,842 --> 00:19:03,888 ♪ Like a cool breeze ♪ 294 00:19:03,888 --> 00:19:05,598 I'm out of the military 295 00:19:05,598 --> 00:19:08,059 and that's when the Cliftons came into existence. 296 00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:09,811 ♪ Wee wee hours ♪ 297 00:19:09,811 --> 00:19:12,480 We used to sit in my kitchen with a little tape recorder 298 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,232 and just learn all these basic songs. 299 00:19:14,232 --> 00:19:17,736 ♪ Here come a flat-top he was moving up with me ♪♪ 300 00:19:17,737 --> 00:19:20,489 We used to play all the hits of the day. 301 00:19:20,489 --> 00:19:22,909 Um, for that, we used to get a pound each 302 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:23,918 and a sandwich and a beer. 303 00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:34,004 How long did it take you to learn to play? 304 00:19:34,004 --> 00:19:35,546 It was about -- 305 00:19:36,798 --> 00:19:38,092 Now give him a chance, please. 306 00:19:38,092 --> 00:19:39,509 You can ask these questions, everybody sends 307 00:19:39,509 --> 00:19:41,094 somebody else up. No one wants to say anything. 308 00:19:41,095 --> 00:19:44,306 I just messed about with a guitar at home. 309 00:19:44,306 --> 00:19:47,602 About three years ago. Three and a half years ago. 310 00:19:47,602 --> 00:19:50,814 And eventually formed a group 311 00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:52,941 and I had to play bass 'cause nobody else did, did they? 312 00:19:53,942 --> 00:19:55,193 - And then I -- - Why do you play bass? 313 00:19:55,193 --> 00:19:56,403 Nobody else did. 314 00:19:56,403 --> 00:19:57,779 Yeah, because there's more guitarists 315 00:19:57,779 --> 00:19:59,781 and less bass players. 316 00:19:59,781 --> 00:20:03,118 I went to my sister's house for the weekend 317 00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:05,246 and we went to a dance. 318 00:20:05,247 --> 00:20:06,706 And I heard the bass. 319 00:20:09,625 --> 00:20:12,463 I heard the real bass guitar for the first time. 320 00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:18,385 The low sound just filled you up right down there, you know 321 00:20:18,386 --> 00:20:20,637 when everybody else was playing up high. 322 00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:21,932 And I thought, "God, that's what's missing 323 00:20:22,932 --> 00:20:24,311 in the Cliftons." 324 00:20:27,312 --> 00:20:29,397 And I asked them all. I said, "Steve, you wanna play bass?" 325 00:20:29,397 --> 00:20:32,818 "No." "Cliff, do you wanna play bass?" "No." 326 00:20:32,818 --> 00:20:35,076 Fucking hell, I suppose I better do it then. 327 00:20:41,077 --> 00:20:42,369 He didn't have a bass guitar 328 00:20:42,369 --> 00:20:43,996 because he couldn't afford to buy one. 329 00:20:43,996 --> 00:20:47,042 What he did was detune two or three of the top strings 330 00:20:47,042 --> 00:20:49,168 of an ordinary six-string and he made.. 331 00:20:49,168 --> 00:20:51,045 What he made of it was brilliant, you know. 332 00:20:51,046 --> 00:20:52,756 And I think we may have all clubbed together 333 00:20:52,756 --> 00:20:55,008 to buy the bass guitar. 334 00:20:55,008 --> 00:20:57,677 We bought it and it was the most ugly, horrible thing. 335 00:20:57,677 --> 00:21:01,474 I turned this bass over, got some chalk 336 00:21:01,474 --> 00:21:03,350 and redrew the body. 337 00:21:03,351 --> 00:21:05,187 And I went down the road to my friend 338 00:21:05,187 --> 00:21:07,022 who had a fret work machine. 339 00:21:07,022 --> 00:21:08,357 I said, "I want you to cut all this out." 340 00:21:08,357 --> 00:21:09,983 He went, "Are you serious?" 341 00:21:09,983 --> 00:21:11,651 I said "Yes, cut it out." 342 00:21:13,277 --> 00:21:15,530 Took it home, put all new electrics in it. 343 00:21:17,449 --> 00:21:20,495 I put another pickup in, a Baldwin pickup. 344 00:21:20,495 --> 00:21:23,997 Stripped it all down, took all the frets out. 345 00:21:23,997 --> 00:21:27,459 Then I had to buy new strings, these framer strings 346 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,006 which were really springy and soft. 347 00:21:31,006 --> 00:21:33,007 And I bought this amplifier. 348 00:21:33,007 --> 00:21:34,551 The fucking thing, every time I touched it 349 00:21:34,551 --> 00:21:36,010 I'd get electrocuted 350 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:37,554 because it didn't have an earth or anything. 351 00:21:37,555 --> 00:21:38,765 I'd just go, "Ah!" 352 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,393 I bought an 18-inch Goodman speaker 353 00:21:41,393 --> 00:21:43,185 the biggest speaker there was. 354 00:21:43,185 --> 00:21:46,815 And when I played this bass, Jesus, the sound. 355 00:21:49,567 --> 00:21:51,612 I mean, it was amazing. 356 00:21:51,612 --> 00:21:54,160 Without knowing it, I invented the fretless bass. 357 00:22:08,171 --> 00:22:11,799 I heard "Green Onions" by Booker T & the MG's. 358 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,720 ♪ Boom doom pa doom doom ♪ 359 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,263 ♪ Doom doom pa doom pa doom doom ♪♪ 360 00:22:16,263 --> 00:22:18,182 And I thought, "That bass is great." 361 00:22:18,182 --> 00:22:19,642 And I started to focus 362 00:22:19,642 --> 00:22:23,479 on trying to play bass like Duck Dunn. 363 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,816 That's who I learned my basics from. 364 00:22:25,816 --> 00:22:28,234 The way to play, to leave space 365 00:22:28,234 --> 00:22:30,236 don't be busy, don't fill it up. 366 00:22:30,236 --> 00:22:31,614 You're not a fucking lead guitarist 367 00:22:31,614 --> 00:22:33,072 you're a bass player. 368 00:22:33,072 --> 00:22:35,117 Focus on what the drummer's doin' 369 00:22:35,118 --> 00:22:38,120 and play exactly with the drums 370 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,748 so that you've got a strong foundation there 371 00:22:40,748 --> 00:22:44,002 that's solid, that everybody else can build upon. 372 00:22:44,002 --> 00:22:48,756 ♪ Can you handle it? Handle it ♪ 373 00:22:48,757 --> 00:22:51,052 ♪ Can you handle it ♪♪ 374 00:22:55,139 --> 00:22:58,351 I'd done gigs with some of the lesser-known 375 00:22:58,352 --> 00:23:00,019 musicians of the time. 376 00:23:00,019 --> 00:23:01,521 I did have a bit of experience like that 377 00:23:01,521 --> 00:23:04,524 but it was all rock and roll. 378 00:23:04,524 --> 00:23:06,485 The stuff that we were all listening to 379 00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:09,321 they weren't many bass players on any of those records. 380 00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:11,238 And I remember seeing Bill playing and thinking 381 00:23:11,239 --> 00:23:14,369 "What, a bass player?" And he looked like a Teddy Boy. 382 00:23:14,369 --> 00:23:16,286 I thought, "Where's he come from?" 383 00:23:16,286 --> 00:23:18,331 You know, his bass playing was fantastic. 384 00:23:18,331 --> 00:23:20,374 Really unique. 385 00:23:20,374 --> 00:23:23,378 Forming the Cliftons was a breath of fresh air. 386 00:23:23,379 --> 00:23:26,632 I'd fallen in love with playing music. 387 00:23:26,632 --> 00:23:28,842 We were doing all these gigs and working hard 388 00:23:28,842 --> 00:23:32,470 but the trouble was those shite promoters. 389 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:35,181 They owed us so much money, they just wouldn't pay us. 390 00:23:35,182 --> 00:23:38,560 And so the bottom started to fall out of the band. 391 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,522 Tony Chapman answered an ad 392 00:23:41,522 --> 00:23:43,819 for a drummer with an R&B band. 393 00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:50,115 That night we went back to Mick's parents' house 394 00:23:50,115 --> 00:23:52,201 and they played Jimmy Reid and various things 395 00:23:52,201 --> 00:23:53,493 that I'd never heard. 396 00:23:53,493 --> 00:23:53,953 I think they quite liked the way I played 397 00:23:54,953 --> 00:23:56,204 because I could play the shuffle beat 398 00:23:56,205 --> 00:23:57,749 which most people couldn't. 399 00:23:57,749 --> 00:24:00,376 And then that's how I got to play with the Stones, really. 400 00:24:00,376 --> 00:24:02,921 Tony came to me and said, "Bass player's left. 401 00:24:02,921 --> 00:24:05,760 Do you wanna come up to rehearsal on Friday?" 402 00:24:08,761 --> 00:24:12,223 So I went up with him and I had my big bass cabinet 403 00:24:12,223 --> 00:24:14,725 in the boot of his car stickin' out. 404 00:24:14,725 --> 00:24:16,894 I took my homemade bass 405 00:24:16,894 --> 00:24:19,899 and I went to the Weatherby Arms in Chelsea. 406 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:25,612 I went in, and there they were, Ian Stewart. 407 00:24:25,612 --> 00:24:27,697 He was nice when I went in there. 408 00:24:28,866 --> 00:24:31,702 Mick was fairly sociable. 409 00:24:33,705 --> 00:24:35,665 And Brian and Keith just didn't speak to me. 410 00:24:35,665 --> 00:24:38,253 They were up at the bar, and they were really beatnik-y. 411 00:24:40,253 --> 00:24:41,754 I bought them all a round of drinks 412 00:24:41,754 --> 00:24:43,214 and then they got a bit more friendly 413 00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:45,217 and -- and passed the cigarettes round. 414 00:24:45,217 --> 00:24:47,178 So, then they were sociable, you know. 415 00:24:47,178 --> 00:24:49,347 They didn't have any money or anything. 416 00:24:49,347 --> 00:24:51,056 They asked me what music I liked 417 00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:53,642 and what music I played. 418 00:24:53,642 --> 00:24:57,354 So I said, "Well, Chuck Berry," and they went, "Great." 419 00:24:57,355 --> 00:24:59,399 "Jerry Lee Lewis." "No!" 420 00:24:59,399 --> 00:25:01,692 "Eddie Cochrane." "No!" 421 00:25:01,692 --> 00:25:04,487 All the rock and rollers, they didn't like any of them. 422 00:25:04,487 --> 00:25:07,407 They said, "We're a blues band, we're not a rock and roll band. 423 00:25:07,408 --> 00:25:08,618 We don't play that shit." 424 00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:14,873 They'd already spoken to Charlie Watts 425 00:25:14,873 --> 00:25:18,795 so they fired Tony, and Charlie said he'd join. 426 00:25:18,796 --> 00:25:21,464 I kind of slotted in alright. 427 00:25:21,464 --> 00:25:23,092 ♪ I said yeah ♪ 428 00:25:23,092 --> 00:25:26,135 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah Mona ♪ 429 00:25:26,135 --> 00:25:30,516 ♪ Oh Mona ♪ 430 00:25:30,517 --> 00:25:30,977 ♪ I tell ya Mona what I wanna do ♪♪ 431 00:25:31,977 --> 00:25:33,478 I was a bit of a rock and roller 432 00:25:33,478 --> 00:25:35,313 more than anything else 433 00:25:35,313 --> 00:25:39,150 and found that they were playing pure blues. 434 00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:41,027 ♪ Man ♪ 435 00:25:41,028 --> 00:25:43,823 I mean, really slow, slow blues. 436 00:25:43,823 --> 00:25:46,992 ♪ You know I didn't enjoy things that kings and queens ♪♪ 437 00:25:46,992 --> 00:25:48,868 You couldn't buy a bloody blues record 438 00:25:48,868 --> 00:25:50,453 to save your life in those days. 439 00:25:50,453 --> 00:25:53,624 It was unheard of in England. 440 00:25:53,625 --> 00:25:55,626 I remember saying to them at that rehearsal 441 00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:58,713 I said, "We can't play 12-bar blues all fucking night." 442 00:25:58,713 --> 00:26:00,507 Which I was totally wrong about 443 00:26:00,507 --> 00:26:03,013 because we ended up doing exactly that. 444 00:26:07,014 --> 00:26:08,765 Within two months, we were brilliant 445 00:26:08,765 --> 00:26:10,600 and sounded fantastic. 446 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,397 And in 1963, we played about 340 shows. 447 00:26:15,398 --> 00:26:18,359 We traveled everywhere in Stu's van. 448 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,404 He was a fantastic blues piano player 449 00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:24,407 and he looked after us on the road for 22 years. 450 00:26:24,407 --> 00:26:26,329 He was like the sixth Stone, really. 451 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:30,206 Stu would turn around and say 452 00:26:30,206 --> 00:26:33,459 "Okay, you three-chord wonders, you're on." 453 00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:35,714 ♪ Let's go fishin' in the crawdad hole ♪ 454 00:26:37,714 --> 00:26:39,717 ♪ One two three four five and nine ♪ 455 00:26:41,718 --> 00:26:43,178 I couldn't survive working 456 00:26:43,178 --> 00:26:45,640 because we started to get gigs out of London. 457 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,893 ♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪ 458 00:26:49,893 --> 00:26:52,605 ♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪ 459 00:26:53,606 --> 00:26:56,070 ♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪ 460 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:59,949 ♪ Hey crawdaddy ♪♪ 461 00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:04,201 I told my parents and friends 462 00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:07,497 that I was gonna give up work and go professional. 463 00:27:07,497 --> 00:27:09,332 Every single person I knew said 464 00:27:09,332 --> 00:27:12,168 "Don't do it. Don't take the risk." 465 00:27:12,168 --> 00:27:15,258 And I thought, "Fuck it, I'm gonna do it." 466 00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:22,136 Top British rhythm and blues group 467 00:27:22,136 --> 00:27:25,431 and the best new group, the Rolling Stones. 468 00:27:26,893 --> 00:27:28,019 I didn't think of it 469 00:27:28,019 --> 00:27:30,480 as progressin' anywhere really big. 470 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,400 It was the most excitin' thing in my life. 471 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,944 The sound we had, no one compared 472 00:27:36,945 --> 00:27:38,452 with that sound in those days, no one. 473 00:27:43,452 --> 00:27:45,538 I started to collect the little bits and pieces 474 00:27:45,538 --> 00:27:45,955 as we traveled. 475 00:27:46,955 --> 00:27:50,126 If I was very lucky, I grabbed a little poster 476 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,673 and someone would give me a photo they had taken. 477 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:59,307 And it just slowly escalated into this mountain. 478 00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,475 You know, it is all a bit of a haze to me. 479 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,437 I mean, if I wanna know what I did for certain in those years 480 00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:10,732 I have to ask Bill Wyman, you know. 481 00:28:10,732 --> 00:28:13,734 - Who keeps the archives. - Yeah. 482 00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:18,490 Bill was the first guy to have a computer. 483 00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:21,368 He'd have his videos and they'd be all stacked up. 484 00:28:21,368 --> 00:28:23,039 I bet he's probably got them even now. 485 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,004 He had movie cameras before everybody. 486 00:28:31,004 --> 00:28:33,631 I took reels of film. 487 00:28:33,631 --> 00:28:36,815 Twenty years of home movies on the road. 488 00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:56,155 The biggest ambition we had was to play in a club 489 00:28:56,155 --> 00:28:58,824 and have people like what we were playin'. 490 00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:01,912 We never dreamed about making a record. 491 00:29:01,912 --> 00:29:04,207 It never crossed our minds that we would ever 492 00:29:04,207 --> 00:29:06,459 be on TV or radio. 493 00:29:06,459 --> 00:29:10,046 Pie in the sky to think we might go abroad sometime 494 00:29:10,047 --> 00:29:13,634 because we were playin' uncommercial music. 495 00:29:14,634 --> 00:29:16,345 We were playin' pure blues 496 00:29:16,345 --> 00:29:19,222 and the only place we could play it was in jazz clubs. 497 00:29:19,222 --> 00:29:22,060 Suddenly, we got a followin' and it blossomed from there. 498 00:29:24,061 --> 00:29:27,147 Glyn Johns, who was in that band, The Presidents 499 00:29:27,147 --> 00:29:30,902 said to us, "I work at IBC Record Studios. 500 00:29:30,902 --> 00:29:33,654 I can get you three hours recording time." 501 00:29:33,655 --> 00:29:36,828 We went, "What? Make a record?" 502 00:29:38,828 --> 00:29:40,245 I'd seen the Rolling Stones 503 00:29:40,245 --> 00:29:41,747 and I thought they were really good 504 00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:42,873 and I thought, "There's definitely 505 00:29:42,873 --> 00:29:44,250 a commercial opportunity here." 506 00:29:44,251 --> 00:29:46,168 So I approached the studio owners and said 507 00:29:46,168 --> 00:29:48,714 "Can I bring these people in and see what we can do?" 508 00:29:48,714 --> 00:29:50,339 And they said, "Yes, on the condition that you have 509 00:29:50,339 --> 00:29:51,925 "absolutely nothing to do with getting the deal. 510 00:29:51,925 --> 00:29:53,592 We'll do the business." 511 00:30:02,561 --> 00:30:04,062 I took the Stones in 512 00:30:04,062 --> 00:30:06,189 and that was their first recording session. 513 00:30:06,189 --> 00:30:09,444 We cut four things, I think. Bill and I argue about this. 514 00:30:09,445 --> 00:30:11,946 I thought it was only three, but he says it was five. 515 00:30:11,946 --> 00:30:13,448 He's probably right 516 00:30:13,448 --> 00:30:15,453 because he's got it all written down somewhere. 517 00:30:17,453 --> 00:30:19,455 We went and we cut five tracks. 518 00:30:19,456 --> 00:30:22,042 The guy who owned the place, Harold Clewson 519 00:30:22,042 --> 00:30:24,919 took them around to Decca and EMI and Pi 520 00:30:24,919 --> 00:30:26,420 and nobody liked them. 521 00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:29,759 And we thought that was the end of our recording careers. 522 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,304 It started to happen when Andrew Oldham signed us. 523 00:30:34,304 --> 00:30:34,973 I'm proud of most things I did. 524 00:30:35,973 --> 00:30:37,641 Just, whether the proudness remains 525 00:30:37,641 --> 00:30:39,352 is whether they happen or they don't happen. 526 00:30:39,352 --> 00:30:41,562 Um, the biggest thing naturally is the Rolling Stones. 527 00:30:41,562 --> 00:30:44,481 Andrew said he saw the sex emanatin' from us 528 00:30:44,482 --> 00:30:45,901 and, you know, and all this sort of bullshit 529 00:30:45,901 --> 00:30:48,487 the way Andrew talks, which was fantastic 530 00:30:48,487 --> 00:30:50,324 'cause he was a genius. 531 00:30:52,324 --> 00:30:54,450 Bill, I didn't pay much attention to 532 00:30:54,451 --> 00:30:56,162 and he knows that. 533 00:30:56,162 --> 00:30:59,207 Because of being deeply superficial 534 00:30:59,207 --> 00:31:02,460 I judged books by their cover 535 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:05,254 and he seemed to be much more of a Duane Eddy 536 00:31:05,255 --> 00:31:07,883 Johnny and the Hurricanes type of guy to me 537 00:31:07,883 --> 00:31:10,051 than a, than a Bo Diddley guy. 538 00:31:10,051 --> 00:31:13,430 Bill might have had moments where he thought 539 00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:16,808 not that his life was over, but his life was set. 540 00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:18,440 And then along came the Rolling Stones. 541 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,818 The phone rings and it's Andrew Oldham saying 542 00:31:24,818 --> 00:31:27,194 "Can I speak to Terry O'Neill?" So I speak to him. 543 00:31:27,194 --> 00:31:29,071 He said, "Can you do what you did 544 00:31:29,072 --> 00:31:29,992 for the Beatles for the Stones?" 545 00:31:30,992 --> 00:31:32,367 I said, "Well, I'll give it a try." 546 00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:34,494 And that's when I first met Bill. 547 00:31:34,494 --> 00:31:36,955 I took the pictures back, and the picture editor said 548 00:31:36,955 --> 00:31:40,251 "God, they look like five prehistoric monsters." 549 00:31:40,252 --> 00:31:42,378 It was a mania with the Beatles 550 00:31:42,378 --> 00:31:45,048 whereas with the Stones, it was an appreciation. 551 00:31:45,048 --> 00:31:46,926 It became a cult. 552 00:32:32,932 --> 00:32:36,645 Alright then, this is the Rolling Stones interview 553 00:32:36,645 --> 00:32:39,148 for the fan club, December, Christmastime. 554 00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:41,026 Mick, Bill and Charlie. 555 00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:44,153 When did you first get mobbed? Do you remember that word? 556 00:32:44,153 --> 00:32:46,948 - Yeah. - Well, that's a good question. 557 00:32:46,948 --> 00:32:48,533 I don't remember, you know. 558 00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:48,992 It was like something, I remember -- 559 00:32:49,993 --> 00:32:52,579 - I do. - Oh, well, Bill, okay, go on. 560 00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:55,290 He remembers everything. I'm trying -- 561 00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:57,460 We, the first time we got mobbed.. 562 00:32:57,460 --> 00:32:59,961 - Go on, where was it? - This doesn't happen anymore. 563 00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:01,422 It was about a third of the way 564 00:33:01,423 --> 00:33:04,093 through the Everly Brothers tour. 565 00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:05,677 - Really? - Up in the north. 566 00:33:05,677 --> 00:33:07,136 It was either in Manchester or Liverpool 567 00:33:07,136 --> 00:33:08,971 one of those places. 568 00:33:08,971 --> 00:33:11,017 Um, where we were actually attacked for the first time 569 00:33:12,017 --> 00:33:14,144 when we tried to get out of the theater. 570 00:33:15,814 --> 00:33:17,691 Okay, here we go. 571 00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:19,943 And now I'd like to introduce to you 572 00:33:19,943 --> 00:33:22,820 the fabulous Rolling Stones. 573 00:33:25,532 --> 00:33:28,452 We'd go on stage and go jan-ta-jan 574 00:33:28,452 --> 00:33:29,662 and the whole crowd would pour on stage 575 00:33:29,662 --> 00:33:31,454 and that was the end of the show. 576 00:33:31,454 --> 00:33:34,082 Two chords, end of the show. 577 00:33:34,082 --> 00:33:37,293 And if we got through three songs, it was, like, amazing. 578 00:33:45,678 --> 00:33:47,888 Sometimes they put police dogs on each end of the stage 579 00:33:47,889 --> 00:33:50,435 to stop the kids getting on. The police dogs went nuts. 580 00:33:57,524 --> 00:34:00,320 The only way you could get out of the theater in time 581 00:34:00,321 --> 00:34:03,489 when you played the last chord of the last song 582 00:34:03,489 --> 00:34:06,118 the curtains closed and they had to play 583 00:34:06,118 --> 00:34:07,368 "God Save The Queen." 584 00:34:13,334 --> 00:34:16,296 And the audience had to stand there for those two minutes. 585 00:34:16,296 --> 00:34:20,258 And that was the two minutes we had to get off the stage 586 00:34:20,258 --> 00:34:22,510 down the corridors, out of the building 587 00:34:22,511 --> 00:34:24,721 into the police van or whatever it was 588 00:34:24,721 --> 00:34:27,016 the Black Mariah or the ambulance 589 00:34:28,016 --> 00:34:30,268 or the newspaper van we were using 590 00:34:30,268 --> 00:34:33,064 to be inconspicuous. 591 00:34:33,064 --> 00:34:34,736 And gone. 592 00:34:39,737 --> 00:34:41,322 Sometimes we didn't get out in time 593 00:34:41,322 --> 00:34:43,414 and then we just got mashed. 594 00:34:49,415 --> 00:34:52,250 And then we went abroad, fucking hell. 595 00:34:56,171 --> 00:34:59,180 Please fasten your seatbelts and do not smoke. 596 00:35:05,181 --> 00:35:08,768 ♪ Everywhere I hear the sound ♪ 597 00:35:08,769 --> 00:35:14,316 ♪ Of marching charging feet boy ♪ 598 00:35:14,316 --> 00:35:18,196 ♪ 'Cause summer's here and the time is right ♪ 599 00:35:18,196 --> 00:35:23,785 ♪ For fighting in the street boy ♪ 600 00:35:23,786 --> 00:35:27,873 ♪ Well now what can a poor boy do ♪ 601 00:35:27,873 --> 00:35:31,627 ♪ Except to sing for a rock and roll band? ♪ 602 00:35:31,627 --> 00:35:34,587 ♪ 'Cause in sleepy London town ♪ 603 00:35:34,588 --> 00:35:40,182 ♪ There's just no place for a street fighting man ♪♪ 604 00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:46,435 You talk about being worn out 605 00:35:46,435 --> 00:35:47,978 but you've never been as worn out 606 00:35:47,978 --> 00:35:50,480 as we were the other week. 607 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,107 On Wednesday, the 15th 608 00:35:52,107 --> 00:35:54,527 we left Munich and flew to West Berlin 609 00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:57,406 and that's where the story really starts. 610 00:35:58,407 --> 00:35:59,867 We arrived at the airport. 611 00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:01,994 They said we'll hold a press conference. 612 00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,912 We got in, started the press conference. 613 00:36:03,912 --> 00:36:05,414 We were there five minutes, and the kids 614 00:36:05,414 --> 00:36:07,166 are breaking the doors down and everything 615 00:36:07,167 --> 00:36:09,335 and the police kept bringing reinforcements in 616 00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:11,797 to hold the doors and everything at each end. 617 00:36:12,797 --> 00:36:14,841 The chief of police came over and he said 618 00:36:14,841 --> 00:36:16,968 "We can't hold 'em any longer. You'll have to go." 619 00:36:16,968 --> 00:36:20,179 So we had to run out and fight our way through to the bus 620 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,932 and then the bus had to fight its way through the crowd. 621 00:36:22,932 --> 00:36:26,644 And away we went with an escort of about six police cars 622 00:36:26,644 --> 00:36:30,025 and about twenty helmeted and armed police on motorbikes. 623 00:36:31,026 --> 00:36:32,027 Unbelievable, you know. 624 00:36:33,027 --> 00:36:35,154 I never had my movie camera with me. 625 00:36:35,154 --> 00:36:37,239 I'm so annoyed that I missed it, you know. 626 00:36:40,576 --> 00:36:43,330 ♪ Well if you ever plan ♪ 627 00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:44,956 We were over the moon to hear 628 00:36:44,956 --> 00:36:46,501 that we were gonna go to America. 629 00:36:46,501 --> 00:36:48,210 ♪ Just take my way ♪ 630 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:51,465 ♪ That's the highway that's the best ♪ 631 00:36:52,465 --> 00:36:56,177 ♪ Get your kicks on Route 66 ♪ 632 00:36:56,178 --> 00:36:58,763 The Beatles, they made it in America. 633 00:36:58,763 --> 00:37:01,975 The Rolling Stones were made by America. 634 00:37:01,975 --> 00:37:05,269 One started to be able to watch with all of them 635 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:07,648 some magical development 636 00:37:07,648 --> 00:37:10,317 as they were able to record 637 00:37:10,317 --> 00:37:12,904 with their feet touching the land 638 00:37:12,904 --> 00:37:14,074 that created their passion. 639 00:37:16,074 --> 00:37:18,492 You had to break every town and every state. 640 00:37:18,493 --> 00:37:20,412 You were right in the middle of it. 641 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,997 ♪ Oklahoma City looks oh so pretty ♪ 642 00:37:22,997 --> 00:37:25,086 ♪ You'll see Amarillo ♪♪ 643 00:37:27,086 --> 00:37:28,046 Let's run one down. 644 00:37:30,047 --> 00:37:32,259 Rolling master A. Master A, take one. 645 00:37:34,677 --> 00:37:37,264 Going to Chess was like a pilgrimage. 646 00:37:37,264 --> 00:37:41,935 We knew that that's where most of our idols recorded. 647 00:37:41,936 --> 00:37:44,274 Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf. 648 00:37:47,274 --> 00:37:49,485 We hoped we could get the right sound 649 00:37:49,485 --> 00:37:51,778 that we weren't being able to get in the UK. 650 00:37:51,779 --> 00:37:52,033 And we did. 651 00:37:55,033 --> 00:37:57,036 We played their blues music brilliantly 652 00:37:58,036 --> 00:38:00,337 and that's what shocked them. 653 00:38:07,338 --> 00:38:10,427 - What's your ambition now? - To be a musician. 654 00:38:13,427 --> 00:38:15,764 I'm not -- I'm not a musician. I just play in a band, you know. 655 00:38:15,765 --> 00:38:17,060 ♪ Well I'm a king bee ♪ 656 00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:20,435 ♪ Buzzing around ♪ 657 00:38:20,435 --> 00:38:21,479 There was something about 658 00:38:21,479 --> 00:38:23,230 Bill's bass lines in the Stones. 659 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:25,857 It was the first thing you'd hear 660 00:38:25,858 --> 00:38:28,152 the thing that was most hooky about it. 661 00:38:28,152 --> 00:38:32,074 It was so precise and so contained, you know. 662 00:38:32,074 --> 00:38:33,034 It wasn't gettin' away with itself. 663 00:38:34,034 --> 00:38:35,911 It was just right. 664 00:38:35,911 --> 00:38:38,288 The best informed are the best players 665 00:38:38,289 --> 00:38:40,749 and I think Bill's one of those. 666 00:38:40,749 --> 00:38:42,209 It's never been pop. 667 00:38:42,209 --> 00:38:43,586 It's been rock and roll 668 00:38:43,586 --> 00:38:45,504 but it's been informed by blues 669 00:38:45,504 --> 00:38:49,258 which is the magical combination. 670 00:38:49,259 --> 00:38:52,637 Bill is like no other bass player I've ever heard. 671 00:38:52,637 --> 00:38:55,516 He has an incredibly simplistic approach to what he's doing. 672 00:38:55,516 --> 00:38:58,268 And I think that's just Bill's complete lack of ego 673 00:38:58,268 --> 00:38:59,520 as a musician, really. 674 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,396 It's very often not what you play 675 00:39:01,397 --> 00:39:03,358 but what you don't play, what you leave out 676 00:39:03,358 --> 00:39:05,026 that makes a distinction as to your abilities, really. 677 00:39:06,026 --> 00:39:08,613 ♪ We can make honey ♪ 678 00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:11,740 ♪ The world has never seen ♪ 679 00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:14,577 There were a lot of these really technically brilliant 680 00:39:14,578 --> 00:39:18,915 bass players that can play me off the stage any time. 681 00:39:18,915 --> 00:39:21,918 To me, they just sound like lead guitar players. 682 00:39:21,918 --> 00:39:25,882 So busy that there doesn't seem much room for anybody else. 683 00:39:27,883 --> 00:39:29,553 ♪ Sting-a-been ♪♪ 684 00:39:41,357 --> 00:39:44,484 The key for me is Bill and Charlie together. 685 00:39:44,484 --> 00:39:47,071 When they play together, it's extraordinary. 686 00:39:47,072 --> 00:39:49,575 The power of the two of them is greater than the four. 687 00:39:49,575 --> 00:39:52,037 Just that magic chemical combination of feel. 688 00:39:53,037 --> 00:39:55,622 ♪ I just wanna make love to you ♪♪ 689 00:39:55,622 --> 00:39:59,418 Really easy guy. And a really good bass player. 690 00:39:59,419 --> 00:40:01,921 Very, very unassuming bass player. 691 00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:04,089 And some of the records that we made 692 00:40:04,089 --> 00:40:06,843 he's quite brilliant on. 693 00:40:06,843 --> 00:40:09,094 Fortunately, the pair of us 694 00:40:09,094 --> 00:40:11,850 made a living out of doing it together. 695 00:40:13,851 --> 00:40:16,186 We were always referred to as the straightest 696 00:40:16,186 --> 00:40:18,950 rhythm section in rock and roll. 697 00:40:33,998 --> 00:40:35,625 Bill, how did this, uh, come about? 698 00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:38,628 This, uh, with writing miserable articles 699 00:40:38,628 --> 00:40:41,255 about the Stones? Did this originate in Europe? 700 00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:44,132 It started when we started in England, you know 701 00:40:44,132 --> 00:40:46,760 but, um, by now in England 702 00:40:46,761 --> 00:40:48,930 everybody knows what we really are like 703 00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,232 so they don't write things that are untrue, you know. 704 00:40:59,233 --> 00:41:01,694 The Beatles are loved by pretty well everybody 705 00:41:01,694 --> 00:41:04,154 from the moms down to the teenagers. 706 00:41:04,154 --> 00:41:07,659 It seems to me that you're either loved or hated. 707 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:11,914 Everything we did was so alien to the norm. 708 00:41:11,914 --> 00:41:13,832 They just did not get it. 709 00:41:13,832 --> 00:41:17,503 Why we didn't succumb to being showbiz-y. 710 00:41:17,503 --> 00:41:19,504 All the other bands would succumb to doing 711 00:41:19,504 --> 00:41:22,006 what they're told just for that bit of publicity. 712 00:41:22,007 --> 00:41:24,848 We didn't need it, we avoided publicity in the end. 713 00:41:27,848 --> 00:41:30,391 It was us against the world. It really was. 714 00:41:30,391 --> 00:41:32,938 We were just refusing to conform. 715 00:41:35,939 --> 00:41:38,276 If a kid wants to let his hair grow long 716 00:41:38,276 --> 00:41:41,320 or he wants to wear rags, or he wants to play a guitar 717 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,655 or do anything, or kick a ball in the street 718 00:41:42,655 --> 00:41:43,905 it's nothing to do with us. 719 00:41:43,906 --> 00:41:45,701 If he likes to listen to our music, that's great 720 00:41:45,701 --> 00:41:47,911 if he wants to come to a concert. 721 00:41:47,911 --> 00:41:49,538 But apart from that, we didn't believe 722 00:41:49,538 --> 00:41:51,549 we had any responsibility. 723 00:42:00,550 --> 00:42:03,302 I always thought he didn't like me being in the Stones 724 00:42:03,302 --> 00:42:05,429 'cause he never said anything nice. 725 00:42:05,429 --> 00:42:07,391 He was always moaning about it. 726 00:42:09,392 --> 00:42:11,562 I just don't think that generation could get 727 00:42:11,562 --> 00:42:15,232 into their head that their kids could be successful 728 00:42:15,232 --> 00:42:18,779 in something that wasn't a normal job. 729 00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:23,157 So when I succeeded playing music 730 00:42:23,157 --> 00:42:25,869 a -- and doing better than them 731 00:42:25,869 --> 00:42:27,289 it was out of order, wasn't it? 732 00:42:29,289 --> 00:42:32,083 But my mom did tell me 733 00:42:32,084 --> 00:42:33,586 on a couple of occasions 734 00:42:33,586 --> 00:42:35,462 when t -- they were in the pub 735 00:42:35,462 --> 00:42:38,091 uh, when someone was going on about 736 00:42:38,091 --> 00:42:41,260 "Stones, dirty lot," he would stick up for us. 737 00:42:41,261 --> 00:42:43,973 He'd tell them to mind their own business. 738 00:42:44,973 --> 00:42:47,851 And so he did it without my knowledge 739 00:42:47,851 --> 00:42:49,895 but he never did it to my face. 740 00:42:49,895 --> 00:42:51,148 But he wasn't that kind of a person. 741 00:42:54,149 --> 00:42:56,236 I mean, looking back, I don't blame him 742 00:42:56,236 --> 00:42:59,655 because he -- he had a terrible childhood. 743 00:42:59,655 --> 00:43:01,626 A really terrible childhood. 744 00:43:12,627 --> 00:43:16,132 Everything was changin' in those early '60s. 745 00:43:21,095 --> 00:43:23,932 ♪ You're the kind of person you meet at certain ♪ 746 00:43:23,932 --> 00:43:26,184 ♪ Dismal dull affairs ♪ 747 00:43:26,184 --> 00:43:28,854 ♪ Center of a crowd talking much too loud ♪ 748 00:43:28,855 --> 00:43:31,690 The music, art, fashion. 749 00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:34,402 Suddenly, girls were wearing miniskirts. 750 00:43:34,402 --> 00:43:36,319 It just went right across the board. 751 00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:39,323 ♪ And though you try you just can't hide ♪ 752 00:43:39,324 --> 00:43:41,869 All the clubs started to appear in London. 753 00:43:41,869 --> 00:43:44,787 You'd bump into the Beatles or the Animals or the Hollies. 754 00:43:44,787 --> 00:43:46,497 Ah, they were just everywhere. 755 00:43:46,497 --> 00:43:47,999 You just moved from one to the other 756 00:43:47,999 --> 00:43:49,836 and sometimes you saw live acts. 757 00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:53,714 You'd go and see Benny King somewhere 758 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,341 and then you'd see Lee Dorsey somewhere else. 759 00:43:56,341 --> 00:43:59,678 I'm at the Scotch of St. James, I met Otis Redding 760 00:43:59,678 --> 00:44:02,181 and talked to him for about half an hour. 761 00:44:02,182 --> 00:44:04,976 You know, when you met those people in those days 762 00:44:04,976 --> 00:44:07,480 they were like gods to me. 763 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,773 I think a lot of it had to do with the music 764 00:44:09,773 --> 00:44:11,983 and then the birth pill 765 00:44:11,983 --> 00:44:13,818 all them British movies 766 00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:15,321 it was coming from everywhere. 767 00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:16,531 It was sort of a hurricane 768 00:44:16,531 --> 00:44:18,908 and we were coming in the middle of it. 769 00:44:18,908 --> 00:44:21,368 ♪ Your father's still perfecting ways ♪ 770 00:44:21,368 --> 00:44:23,830 ♪ Of making sealing wax ♪ 771 00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:25,258 ♪ You better stop ♪♪ 772 00:44:35,259 --> 00:44:36,886 Me and Brian used to go out to the clubs 773 00:44:36,886 --> 00:44:38,933 and pick up girls. 774 00:44:41,934 --> 00:44:45,896 They used to camp outside the hotel on the grass. 775 00:44:45,896 --> 00:44:48,189 You know, of course, I jumped at it 776 00:44:48,189 --> 00:44:52,443 and it just became part of my life after that. 777 00:44:52,444 --> 00:44:55,824 It became a habit just through 778 00:44:55,824 --> 00:44:59,494 honestly, loneliness and just wanting affection. 779 00:44:59,494 --> 00:45:01,413 And these girls were affectionate. 780 00:45:03,916 --> 00:45:06,126 There was probably an addiction to sex 781 00:45:06,126 --> 00:45:08,461 because I wasn't addicted to drugs 782 00:45:08,461 --> 00:45:10,724 and I wasn't addicted to wine. 783 00:45:19,725 --> 00:45:21,060 My first marriage, it never worked. 784 00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:23,978 It was down to the same old thing 785 00:45:23,979 --> 00:45:27,235 of marrying the girl next door was the phrase. 786 00:45:29,235 --> 00:45:30,820 Getting married got me out of the family. 787 00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:33,655 Of course, it did, out of the home. 788 00:45:33,655 --> 00:45:36,409 It was hard coming home to my wife 789 00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:38,328 who obviously knew what was going on. 790 00:45:38,328 --> 00:45:41,205 But then I found at one time, she had a relationship going. 791 00:45:41,205 --> 00:45:43,625 I mean, obviously, I don't blame her. 792 00:45:44,625 --> 00:45:47,462 And then you end up with a child out of the blue 793 00:45:47,463 --> 00:45:49,965 and you just stay together for the sake of the child 794 00:45:49,965 --> 00:45:52,885 which is always the worst thing you can do. 795 00:45:52,885 --> 00:45:54,481 Until I finally got divorced. 796 00:46:05,482 --> 00:46:07,776 She insisted that she would take Stephen 797 00:46:07,776 --> 00:46:11,158 to South Africa with her, which really hurt me. 798 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,788 But then I thought, "Well, it's better that he grows up 799 00:46:18,788 --> 00:46:22,375 with one parent in a normal way of life." 800 00:46:22,376 --> 00:46:24,633 If it isn't with me, then it has to be with her. 801 00:46:28,633 --> 00:46:30,176 I'll get Stephen to say something to you. 802 00:46:30,176 --> 00:46:31,593 Just a minute. 803 00:46:31,593 --> 00:46:33,513 Come and say hello to Dave. 804 00:46:33,514 --> 00:46:35,973 Come and say hello to Dave. 805 00:46:35,973 --> 00:46:37,935 - Hello. - Say hello, Dave. 806 00:46:37,935 --> 00:46:40,270 - Hello. - Say how are you? 807 00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:44,567 How are you? I will see you soon. Bye-bye. 808 00:46:46,568 --> 00:46:49,698 He came back in the summer of '68. 809 00:46:50,698 --> 00:46:53,367 And when I saw the state he was in, I was shocked 810 00:46:53,367 --> 00:46:55,079 because he was complainin' of toothache 811 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,374 he was thin, he didn't look well at all. 812 00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:02,877 So I refused to return him to South Africa. 813 00:47:02,877 --> 00:47:06,801 And then I had to fight for him and a divorce. 814 00:47:08,802 --> 00:47:10,220 I went to the court 815 00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:13,934 and the judge gave me custody, which was a miracle. 816 00:47:15,934 --> 00:47:18,782 And from that day on, I brought Stephen up. 817 00:47:30,783 --> 00:47:32,326 I broke up from my wife. 818 00:47:32,327 --> 00:47:34,829 Astrid, my girlfriend, moved in with me. 819 00:47:34,829 --> 00:47:36,925 I'd met her by then. 820 00:47:47,926 --> 00:47:50,221 We arrived at this gate 821 00:47:50,221 --> 00:47:53,850 and a gardener came with a shotgun broken off 822 00:47:53,850 --> 00:47:55,685 and said, "What do you want?" 823 00:47:55,686 --> 00:47:57,563 And we said, "Is this Gedding Hall?" 824 00:47:57,563 --> 00:47:59,355 And he said, "Yes." 825 00:47:59,355 --> 00:48:02,108 And I said, "We understand that the place is goin' up 826 00:48:02,108 --> 00:48:03,070 for sale tomorrow. Could we have a look?" 827 00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:05,737 And he said, "Well, the owners are not here 828 00:48:05,738 --> 00:48:07,827 but I'll show you 'round the outside." 829 00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:13,955 And I saw this unbelievable house 830 00:48:13,955 --> 00:48:16,459 which I just couldn't believe. 831 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:19,134 Oh, God, it was extraordinary. 832 00:48:26,134 --> 00:48:29,137 The owner was Jeff Allen. 833 00:48:29,138 --> 00:48:31,934 He took me into the lounge for a cup of tea 834 00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:36,729 and I saw a 10 by 8 photo on the top of the TV 835 00:48:36,729 --> 00:48:40,108 of Ronnie, Reggie and Charlie Kray 836 00:48:40,108 --> 00:48:42,820 saying "Love to Jeff from the boys." 837 00:48:42,821 --> 00:48:44,822 "Uh, what's that, Mr. Allen?" 838 00:48:44,822 --> 00:48:46,533 He says, "Oh, they -- they're the Krays. 839 00:48:46,533 --> 00:48:48,371 They're friends of mine. They're nice lads." 840 00:48:51,371 --> 00:48:53,163 I found later that he was a godfather 841 00:48:53,164 --> 00:48:56,209 and he would invest their money in country houses and stuff 842 00:48:56,209 --> 00:48:58,838 but that's another story. 843 00:48:58,838 --> 00:49:00,673 I asked him how much he wanted for the property 844 00:49:00,673 --> 00:49:03,300 and it was 45,000 pounds. 845 00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,845 After being a top band for five years 846 00:49:05,846 --> 00:49:07,179 we didn't have money. 847 00:49:07,179 --> 00:49:09,766 Money always seemed to vanish. 848 00:49:09,766 --> 00:49:12,018 Jeff, bless him, did a deal 849 00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:15,230 and let me have it for a price I could afford. 850 00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:17,022 He said, "I'll tell you what. 851 00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:19,943 "I admire you. You're a self-made man like me. 852 00:49:19,943 --> 00:49:22,863 "I come from the east end of London, you come from London. 853 00:49:22,863 --> 00:49:24,574 It's yours." 854 00:49:24,574 --> 00:49:25,782 It's a wonderful place. 855 00:49:25,782 --> 00:49:28,369 I mean, my soul is there, I think. 856 00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:30,375 I'm never happier than when I'm there. 857 00:49:33,375 --> 00:49:35,960 So when the drug busts were coming in '67 858 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,214 I was just reading it in the press. 859 00:49:39,215 --> 00:49:41,509 Mr. Jagger accused of allowing his home 860 00:49:41,509 --> 00:49:43,552 at West Wittering to be used for the purpose 861 00:49:43,552 --> 00:49:47,222 of smoking cannabis resin, better known as hashish. 862 00:49:47,222 --> 00:49:49,809 And after the three-minute hearing, Jones came out 863 00:49:49,809 --> 00:49:52,353 through the back of the court and drove away 864 00:49:52,354 --> 00:49:54,647 crouching down on the rear seat of a car. 865 00:49:54,647 --> 00:49:56,816 I honestly didn't know whether who was gonna be in jail 866 00:49:56,816 --> 00:49:59,444 what week and who was gonna be in the studio. 867 00:49:59,444 --> 00:50:01,363 I didn't want anything to do with drugs. 868 00:50:01,363 --> 00:50:03,740 I didn't confront it with them. 869 00:50:03,741 --> 00:50:06,744 I just ignored it, stepped away from it 870 00:50:06,744 --> 00:50:09,081 and got stuck into what I wanted to do. 871 00:50:10,081 --> 00:50:13,125 I was avoiding facing their problem 872 00:50:13,125 --> 00:50:14,920 because it wasn't my problem. 873 00:50:14,921 --> 00:50:17,673 So I was living two lives, really. 874 00:50:18,673 --> 00:50:21,718 Once, I had a puff of some bloody joint they had. 875 00:50:21,718 --> 00:50:25,932 Apparently, it had elephant tranquilizer in it. 876 00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:28,060 I went down this corridor and there was someone coming 877 00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:29,936 towards me that I kind of vaguely knew 878 00:50:29,936 --> 00:50:31,938 so I stopped and chatted to them 879 00:50:31,938 --> 00:50:34,942 for about 10 or 15 minutes. 880 00:50:34,942 --> 00:50:37,069 And then I looked up again and it was me. 881 00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:38,822 I was looking in the mirror. 882 00:50:38,822 --> 00:50:40,912 And I thought, "I don't fucking need this." 883 00:50:45,912 --> 00:50:48,206 I have to have my feet on the ground. 884 00:50:48,207 --> 00:50:50,333 I can't go floatin' off. 885 00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:53,295 The emptiness underneath me terrifies me. 886 00:50:53,295 --> 00:50:55,547 I've got a phobia about it. 887 00:50:55,547 --> 00:50:57,549 Most people think there's something else 888 00:50:57,549 --> 00:51:00,719 on the other side of the street which they're not experiencin' 889 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,307 and so they wanna go there and try it out, don't they? 890 00:51:04,307 --> 00:51:06,309 So if you look at any band 891 00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:09,896 and I mean any band from the mid '60s 892 00:51:09,896 --> 00:51:12,566 you've got losses. Every band. 893 00:51:12,567 --> 00:51:15,569 Searching for something that really ain't there. 894 00:51:15,569 --> 00:51:18,491 Brian was a typical example of that. 895 00:51:20,491 --> 00:51:23,453 I was really sad when Brian started 896 00:51:23,454 --> 00:51:25,873 to, uh, fall to bits basically. 897 00:51:26,873 --> 00:51:29,293 We'd be in LA and we'd go out to the clubs 898 00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:30,836 and he'd be on LSD. 899 00:51:30,836 --> 00:51:33,672 And he -- he'd be getting out the limo and going 900 00:51:33,672 --> 00:51:35,507 "Oh, look, there's snakes all over the ground." 901 00:51:35,508 --> 00:51:37,009 He'd be jumping about all over the ground. 902 00:51:37,009 --> 00:51:40,053 Fucking hell, Brian. You know, "The ceiling's on fire." 903 00:51:40,053 --> 00:51:42,265 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it certainly is, Brian. 904 00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:44,517 I just used to let him get on with it, but, um 905 00:51:44,517 --> 00:51:46,859 he would go off on those tangents a lot. 906 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,404 He was thrown out of the band 907 00:51:55,404 --> 00:51:58,056 and he died a month later. 908 00:52:23,059 --> 00:52:25,144 Charlie phoned me up. 909 00:52:25,144 --> 00:52:27,731 He just said, "Brian died." 910 00:52:27,731 --> 00:52:29,774 I couldn't believe it, you know. 911 00:52:29,774 --> 00:52:32,986 The press was so bad at the funeral. 912 00:52:32,987 --> 00:52:36,908 I mean, everybody's around the grave, you know 913 00:52:36,908 --> 00:52:39,701 and they're -- they're putting the coffin in and all that 914 00:52:39,701 --> 00:52:42,663 and the, the preacher's reading -- reading out 915 00:52:42,663 --> 00:52:44,415 and, like, all his family and relatives 916 00:52:44,416 --> 00:52:47,461 are all, like, tranquillized and everything. 917 00:52:47,461 --> 00:52:48,878 Everybody's crying and upset. 918 00:52:48,878 --> 00:52:51,131 There's thousands of fans everywhere. 919 00:52:51,131 --> 00:52:52,425 And there's kids running up to you 920 00:52:52,425 --> 00:52:54,593 asking for autographs, you know. 921 00:52:54,593 --> 00:52:57,805 And, uh, there's press guys with cameras everywhere 922 00:52:57,806 --> 00:53:00,100 like all leaning over you and getting snaps in the.. 923 00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,477 Oh, man, it was really sick. 924 00:53:02,477 --> 00:53:07,149 There's...movies going and all that, you know. 925 00:53:07,149 --> 00:53:08,277 There was no respect at all. 926 00:53:10,278 --> 00:53:14,077 And when he went, it really sort of got me bad. 927 00:53:18,077 --> 00:53:20,463 Somebody a bit special. 928 00:53:28,464 --> 00:53:30,466 That planned Hyde Park concert 929 00:53:30,467 --> 00:53:33,302 ended up being a bit of a memorial to Brian 930 00:53:33,302 --> 00:53:35,639 because of his death two days earlier. 931 00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,309 An English park on a Saturday afternoon 932 00:53:39,309 --> 00:53:41,518 July 5, 1969. 933 00:53:41,518 --> 00:53:45,273 There must be 200,000 people here, youngsters. 934 00:53:45,274 --> 00:53:46,901 In about another hour, I should imagine 935 00:53:46,901 --> 00:53:49,361 there will be a quarter of a million. 936 00:53:49,361 --> 00:53:52,082 And it was extraordinary that day. 937 00:54:14,555 --> 00:54:16,182 Alright! 938 00:54:28,237 --> 00:54:32,031 ♪ You know I'm yours and I'm hers ♪ 939 00:54:32,032 --> 00:54:36,041 ♪ Somebody else's too ♪ 940 00:54:40,042 --> 00:54:43,553 ♪ You know I'm yours and I'm hers ♪♪ 941 00:54:51,553 --> 00:54:53,848 It was Mick Taylor's first show with us. 942 00:54:53,849 --> 00:54:56,226 That must have been a staggerin' thing for him. 943 00:54:56,226 --> 00:54:58,353 The first gig with a band 944 00:54:58,353 --> 00:55:02,065 and you're playin' half a million people. 945 00:55:02,065 --> 00:55:04,775 From every direction I looked at 946 00:55:04,776 --> 00:55:06,904 there were just heads 947 00:55:06,904 --> 00:55:09,531 and it was just like a carpet of different colored hair. 948 00:55:09,531 --> 00:55:12,538 That's what I could explain it as. 949 00:55:16,539 --> 00:55:18,458 The whole day was wonderful. 950 00:55:18,458 --> 00:55:22,628 There was no -- no violence, no fights, no drugs, no.. 951 00:55:22,628 --> 00:55:24,847 It just went like a dream. 952 00:55:31,848 --> 00:55:33,100 That autumn, we set off on a tour of America 953 00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,604 with Mick Taylor and it was a wonderful tour. 954 00:55:38,605 --> 00:55:41,608 The future of the band was looking very healthy 955 00:55:41,608 --> 00:55:43,027 and positive. 956 00:55:43,027 --> 00:55:45,612 You didn't have so much of the screamin' 957 00:55:45,612 --> 00:55:48,741 or very little of it, and people were listening. 958 00:55:49,742 --> 00:55:51,912 And then came Altamont. 959 00:55:51,912 --> 00:55:55,332 We wanted to repeat Hyde Park in America 960 00:55:55,332 --> 00:55:58,001 as a thank you to the US fans. 961 00:55:58,001 --> 00:55:59,961 Okay, it's definitely on. 962 00:55:59,961 --> 00:56:01,671 The Rolling Stones are not going to appear 963 00:56:01,672 --> 00:56:04,382 at the, uh, raceway in Sonoma. 964 00:56:04,382 --> 00:56:06,844 They've decided now they're going to hold the concert 965 00:56:06,844 --> 00:56:10,223 with the Grateful Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, Santana 966 00:56:10,223 --> 00:56:13,141 and, of course, the Rolling Stones at Altamont Speedway 967 00:56:13,142 --> 00:56:15,521 which is halfway between Tracy and Livermore. 968 00:56:15,521 --> 00:56:17,238 What you do is you catch Highway 80.. 969 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,824 I don't really like talking about Altamont 970 00:56:26,824 --> 00:56:30,661 'cause it was such an awful, awful, awful event. 971 00:56:30,661 --> 00:56:32,830 The violence just never stopped. 972 00:56:32,830 --> 00:56:35,500 And we kept trying to stop it, and we knew if we just 973 00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,252 walked off the stage, it'd probably be worse. 974 00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:39,838 So we hung on and tried to cool people out 975 00:56:39,838 --> 00:56:41,555 and it didn't work. 976 00:56:48,556 --> 00:56:50,683 Four people in the audience, uh, died 977 00:56:50,683 --> 00:56:53,185 one of them from stab wounds, and the argument goes on 978 00:56:53,185 --> 00:56:55,647 about how and what is to blame for that 979 00:56:55,647 --> 00:56:58,732 or how that could have been prevented, I should say. 980 00:56:58,732 --> 00:57:00,986 Sometimes things get out of control 981 00:57:00,987 --> 00:57:03,489 and you can't do anything about it. 982 00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:06,659 It was the death of the '60s, that's what they called it. 983 00:57:06,659 --> 00:57:09,911 The death of the '60s. It was, really. 984 00:57:09,911 --> 00:57:13,708 It was the time when the Stones could have just died 985 00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:15,261 and they nearly did. 986 00:57:31,603 --> 00:57:34,563 By 1970, we all owed 987 00:57:34,564 --> 00:57:37,901 around about 100,000 pounds to the Inland Revenue 988 00:57:37,901 --> 00:57:39,903 which we thought had been paid. 989 00:57:39,903 --> 00:57:43,740 Tax with the labor government was between 83 and 93%. 990 00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:46,075 There was no way we could possibly 991 00:57:46,076 --> 00:57:47,496 earn enough money to pay it back. 992 00:57:47,496 --> 00:57:49,498 ♪ I saw her today ♪ 993 00:57:49,498 --> 00:57:51,583 It was impossible for us to stay in England 994 00:57:51,583 --> 00:57:53,127 and so we had to go to France. 995 00:57:54,127 --> 00:57:57,214 ♪ A glass of wine in her hand ♪ 996 00:57:57,215 --> 00:57:59,425 And then, of course, we became the very first tax exiles. 997 00:57:59,425 --> 00:58:03,095 ♪ I knew she was gonna meet her connection ♪ 998 00:58:03,095 --> 00:58:04,764 It was difficult. We're probably 999 00:58:04,764 --> 00:58:06,849 the most robbed band ever 1000 00:58:06,849 --> 00:58:08,437 but you learn, don't you? 1001 00:58:11,438 --> 00:58:15,359 ♪ You can't always get what you want ♪ 1002 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:17,777 I mean, some bands have one shot, they got nothing 1003 00:58:17,777 --> 00:58:18,112 that's the end of it. 1004 00:58:19,112 --> 00:58:21,531 They don't have the chance of moving on 1005 00:58:21,532 --> 00:58:23,075 to improve their situation. 1006 00:58:23,075 --> 00:58:27,956 ♪ You can't always get what you want ♪ 1007 00:58:27,956 --> 00:58:31,626 But I hated leaving England. I hated it. 1008 00:58:31,626 --> 00:58:34,419 But we were told there was no alternative. 1009 00:58:43,597 --> 00:58:45,809 When I left that mornin' 1010 00:58:45,809 --> 00:58:49,478 and I left my mom and dad there and my son, Stephen 1011 00:58:49,478 --> 00:58:52,481 I was tearful, and I really didn't wanna go. 1012 00:58:52,481 --> 00:58:55,402 ♪ Fair share of abuse ♪♪ 1013 00:58:55,403 --> 00:58:57,832 I was sure I wasn't gonna like living in France. 1014 00:59:56,176 --> 00:00:00,000 People thought we all went and lived in the same house. 1015 01:00:03,768 --> 01:00:05,728 We had to look for somewhere to record 1016 01:00:05,729 --> 01:00:08,481 because, you know, we needed a new record. 1017 01:00:08,481 --> 01:00:10,921 And in the end, we never found anything. 1018 01:00:30,923 --> 01:00:33,717 We have to go to Keith's house to do it. 1019 01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,344 Keith insists, otherwise Keith ain't ever 1020 01:00:35,344 --> 01:00:37,347 gonna go to the session, you know. 1021 01:00:39,347 --> 01:00:41,604 That's where we recorded Exile On Main Street. 1022 01:00:45,605 --> 01:00:48,357 We did it in the basement of his house. 1023 01:00:48,357 --> 01:00:49,901 It was a sad time 1024 01:00:49,901 --> 01:00:53,571 because everybody just got absorbed in takin' drugs. 1025 01:00:53,572 --> 01:00:56,492 I didn't want it. I didn't want anything of it, apart from the music. 1026 01:01:06,711 --> 01:01:09,256 ♪ I wanna tell you about a dance ♪♪ 1027 01:01:09,256 --> 01:01:11,841 We were in this basement, which was like an oven. 1028 01:01:11,841 --> 01:01:14,136 And there's pictures of us lying on the floor, you know. 1029 01:01:15,137 --> 01:01:19,433 Whatever inconveniences, whatever things were impossible 1030 01:01:19,433 --> 01:01:21,395 to deal with sometimes, it worked. 1031 01:01:23,395 --> 01:01:26,317 We were dynamite. Un -- unbeatable, really. 1032 01:01:27,318 --> 01:01:29,446 Title five, take one. 1033 01:01:48,757 --> 01:01:50,634 Last week, New York City finally got to see 1034 01:01:50,635 --> 01:01:51,635 and hear the Rolling Stones. 1035 01:01:51,635 --> 01:01:53,012 We were the last stop on a tour 1036 01:01:53,012 --> 01:01:55,017 that I'm sure most of you have heard about. 1037 01:01:59,017 --> 01:02:00,727 Would you ever do 30 cities again 1038 01:02:00,727 --> 01:02:02,356 in that amount of time if it were up to you? 1039 01:02:04,357 --> 01:02:06,192 As long as I get a holiday, you know. 1040 01:02:06,192 --> 01:02:08,254 There's never been so much energy as on this tour. 1041 01:03:07,259 --> 01:03:08,594 If the Stones broke up 1042 01:03:08,594 --> 01:03:10,429 I don't wanna start any rumors 'cause there aren't any 1043 01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:13,600 but if they did, say, next week after this tour 1044 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:14,937 what would you do? 1045 01:03:17,937 --> 01:03:19,939 You know, I always tried to live a normal life 1046 01:03:19,939 --> 01:03:22,399 when I would finished recording or finished touring 1047 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,279 or finished the concert or whatever it was 1048 01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:28,784 I'd go back and try to be normal. 1049 01:03:30,784 --> 01:03:33,786 We managed to build finances 1050 01:03:33,787 --> 01:03:37,082 and be able to pay our taxes and still have money. 1051 01:03:37,082 --> 01:03:39,461 And then, of course, it opened me 1052 01:03:39,461 --> 01:03:41,841 to a whole new life here. 1053 01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:02,820 You've got a lovely suntan. 1054 01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:05,238 This presumably is, uh, south of France suntan 1055 01:04:05,238 --> 01:04:07,073 because that's where you're living now, is it not? 1056 01:04:07,073 --> 01:04:08,617 Yeah, that's my French look. 1057 01:04:08,618 --> 01:04:10,828 What do you do when you're there apart from sunbathe? 1058 01:04:10,828 --> 01:04:13,498 In France, there are so many different people 1059 01:04:13,498 --> 01:04:15,375 to -- to mix with 1060 01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,544 and, uh, I meet with quite a lot of them 1061 01:04:17,544 --> 01:04:20,337 and going to art exhibitions, all kinds of stuff. 1062 01:04:20,338 --> 01:04:21,383 It's really nice. 1063 01:04:23,383 --> 01:04:24,844 And I did meet Andre Verde 1064 01:04:24,844 --> 01:04:27,595 who was the one that introduced me to artists 1065 01:04:27,595 --> 01:04:30,030 and poets and writers and sculptors. 1066 01:04:46,032 --> 01:04:47,659 And you would go to the little dinners 1067 01:04:47,659 --> 01:04:49,871 in the local restaurants. 1068 01:04:49,871 --> 01:04:51,837 It became a lovely little family. 1069 01:04:57,838 --> 01:05:01,008 And then I met Jimmy Baldwin, fucking hell. 1070 01:05:01,008 --> 01:05:02,718 I met him at the Colombe d'Or. 1071 01:05:02,718 --> 01:05:04,051 I'd go to his house 1072 01:05:04,051 --> 01:05:06,888 and I realized how much he loved Ray Charles. 1073 01:05:06,889 --> 01:05:08,391 And I didn't know a lot about Ray Charles. 1074 01:05:08,391 --> 01:05:10,601 I'd seen a Ray Charles concert 1075 01:05:10,601 --> 01:05:13,313 with Keith and Charlie in '64 in England. 1076 01:05:13,313 --> 01:05:14,605 I said to Jimmy, "Can I borrow 1077 01:05:14,605 --> 01:05:16,023 some of your Ray Charles' records?" 1078 01:05:16,023 --> 01:05:17,357 He said, "Yeah." 1079 01:05:17,357 --> 01:05:19,777 He said, "I'll bring them up to your house." 1080 01:05:19,778 --> 01:05:21,571 And, God, over the next few days 1081 01:05:21,571 --> 01:05:23,865 I just played Ray Charles nonstop 1082 01:05:23,865 --> 01:05:28,205 and he became my favorite musician of the 20th century. 1083 01:05:30,206 --> 01:05:32,667 Then Andre Verde invited me 1084 01:05:32,667 --> 01:05:35,587 to go to Marc Chagall's house. 1085 01:05:35,587 --> 01:05:38,672 "You mean Marc Chagall, the painter?" 1086 01:05:38,672 --> 01:05:39,342 He said, "Yeah, yeah." 1087 01:05:41,343 --> 01:05:43,264 He was absolutely wonderful. 1088 01:05:45,264 --> 01:05:49,267 He said, "Your long hair, not original, change it." 1089 01:05:49,267 --> 01:05:51,479 I said, "But we were the first band with long hair." 1090 01:05:51,479 --> 01:05:54,481 He said, "Oh, that's okay then. Then you are the originals." 1091 01:05:56,276 --> 01:05:58,489 I was friends with him for the last eight years of his life. 1092 01:06:01,489 --> 01:06:05,493 I got to know the -- the simple way he lived. 1093 01:06:05,494 --> 01:06:07,664 You don't avoid all them little things. 1094 01:06:07,664 --> 01:06:10,374 They're all part of living, aren't they? 1095 01:06:10,374 --> 01:06:12,793 Of course, then you enjoy the bigger things better 1096 01:06:12,793 --> 01:06:14,795 if you deal with the little things. 1097 01:06:40,031 --> 01:06:41,950 So what's the purpose of doing the tour? 1098 01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:43,961 Oh, I got fed up with gardening. 1099 01:06:51,962 --> 01:06:55,215 Oh, man, the Rolling Stones are just it, you know. 1100 01:06:55,215 --> 01:06:56,175 What do you mean? 1101 01:06:57,175 --> 01:06:59,469 They're the greatest rock and roll band in the world. 1102 01:06:59,469 --> 01:07:03,014 ♪ Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields ♪ 1103 01:07:03,015 --> 01:07:06,686 ♪ Sold in the market down in New Orleans ♪ 1104 01:07:06,686 --> 01:07:10,647 ♪ Scarred old slaver knows he's doin' alright ♪ 1105 01:07:10,647 --> 01:07:14,988 ♪ Hear him whip the women just around midnight ♪ 1106 01:07:16,989 --> 01:07:21,371 ♪ Brown sugar how come you taste so good? ♪ 1107 01:07:24,371 --> 01:07:25,873 ♪ Brown sugar ♪ 1108 01:07:25,874 --> 01:07:28,709 ♪ Just like a good boy should ♪ 1109 01:07:28,709 --> 01:07:32,296 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah woo ♪ 1110 01:07:32,296 --> 01:07:35,805 ♪ Just like a just like a black boy should ♪♪ 1111 01:07:52,193 --> 01:07:54,197 On a personal sense, Bill, is it difficult 1112 01:07:55,197 --> 01:07:58,407 in -- in some respects being a Rolling Stone 1113 01:07:58,407 --> 01:07:59,202 in terms of -- of the pressure that -- 1114 01:08:00,202 --> 01:08:02,246 That's difficult for a start, but carry on. 1115 01:08:02,247 --> 01:08:03,997 In terms of the pressure in the sense 1116 01:08:03,997 --> 01:08:06,422 that that brings on you as an individual? 1117 01:08:12,423 --> 01:08:14,927 There's a lot of difficulties, uh.. 1118 01:08:14,927 --> 01:08:17,388 I think the main difficulty in being a Rolling Stone 1119 01:08:17,388 --> 01:08:20,391 is to pursue your other interests. 1120 01:08:23,268 --> 01:08:26,062 I did the first solo album of a Stone in '73 1121 01:08:26,063 --> 01:08:27,286 called Monkey Grip. 1122 01:08:39,287 --> 01:08:42,790 ♪ Good old monkey grip monkey grip ♪ 1123 01:08:42,790 --> 01:08:45,127 ♪ Monkey grip monkey grip ♪♪ 1124 01:08:46,127 --> 01:08:49,046 I was regarded as bass player of the Rolling Stones. 1125 01:08:49,047 --> 01:08:51,132 I was not expected to be anything else 1126 01:08:51,132 --> 01:08:53,011 or to do anything else. 1127 01:08:54,011 --> 01:08:55,887 You really had to go out there 1128 01:08:55,887 --> 01:08:57,976 and try to prove yourself. 1129 01:09:00,977 --> 01:09:03,103 You did an album back in '74 with Buddy Guy 1130 01:09:03,103 --> 01:09:04,606 uh, Buddy Guy and Junior Wells 1131 01:09:04,606 --> 01:09:08,151 who were two of the original Chicago Blues Brothers. 1132 01:09:08,151 --> 01:09:11,486 I was just asked to get a rhythm section together 1133 01:09:11,487 --> 01:09:13,656 to play with them at the Montreux Jazz Festival 1134 01:09:13,656 --> 01:09:14,661 in Switzerland. 1135 01:09:17,661 --> 01:09:20,246 I got this phone call from Claude Nobbs. 1136 01:09:20,246 --> 01:09:21,581 He said, "I'd like to invite you 1137 01:09:21,582 --> 01:09:23,167 "to the Montreux Jazz Festival 1138 01:09:23,167 --> 01:09:24,419 "because I've got Muddy Waters 1139 01:09:24,419 --> 01:09:25,795 "and he hasn't got a band or anything. 1140 01:09:25,795 --> 01:09:27,087 "Do you think you could put 1141 01:09:27,087 --> 01:09:28,797 a little rhythm section together?" 1142 01:09:28,797 --> 01:09:31,801 We just loaded up, and I drove to Switzerland. 1143 01:09:32,801 --> 01:09:34,889 ♪ Gonna make pretty women ♪ 1144 01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:38,685 ♪ Jump and shout ♪ 1145 01:09:40,685 --> 01:09:43,105 ♪ Then the world wanna know ♪ 1146 01:09:44,105 --> 01:09:46,399 ♪ What's this all about ♪ 1147 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,699 ♪ But they'll know I'm here ♪ 1148 01:09:52,699 --> 01:09:55,870 ♪ Everybody knows I'm here ♪♪ 1149 01:09:57,871 --> 01:10:00,708 Buddy Guy and Junior Wells are sittin' on the side 1150 01:10:00,708 --> 01:10:04,213 listenin' to us and Buddy says, "Can you be our support band?" 1151 01:10:05,213 --> 01:10:06,714 I said, "Yeah, yeah." 1152 01:10:06,714 --> 01:10:10,887 ♪ The thing that I think I would do ♪ 1153 01:10:12,888 --> 01:10:17,076 ♪ Ooh no one will never know ♪♪ 1154 01:10:34,078 --> 01:10:36,329 We went there to back up Muddy Waters. 1155 01:10:36,329 --> 01:10:40,126 So I needed that bass player to fill every missed note 1156 01:10:40,126 --> 01:10:41,668 which I still do. 1157 01:10:41,668 --> 01:10:45,422 Every note I missed, I wanted him to...fill in for me 1158 01:10:45,423 --> 01:10:48,759 'cause I was missin' a lot of notes back then. 1159 01:10:48,759 --> 01:10:53,472 Somebody like him can get the word out faster than I can. 1160 01:10:53,472 --> 01:10:55,433 People still look at those guys 1161 01:10:55,434 --> 01:10:59,479 as the greatest rock and roll band that ever played. 1162 01:11:10,326 --> 01:11:13,245 Glyn Johns rings up and says, "Bill, are you interested 1163 01:11:13,245 --> 01:11:15,288 in doing a session tomorrow for me?" 1164 01:11:15,288 --> 01:11:17,791 He says, "I need you to play with Howlin' Wolf." 1165 01:11:17,792 --> 01:11:20,587 I went, "What? Howlin' Wolf? 1166 01:11:20,587 --> 01:11:22,255 Bloody hell, put me in. Who else is on?" 1167 01:11:22,255 --> 01:11:23,632 And he says, "Well, I've got Charlie." 1168 01:11:23,632 --> 01:11:25,466 And I thought, "Oh, fantastic." 1169 01:11:25,466 --> 01:11:28,802 "And Eric Clapton. It will be the three of you." 1170 01:11:28,802 --> 01:11:32,056 I went, "Oh, God almighty. I'd love it, yes." 1171 01:11:32,057 --> 01:11:34,645 ♪ Well I got a little red rooster ♪ 1172 01:11:35,645 --> 01:11:40,149 ♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪ 1173 01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:42,485 And so I went down the next day 1174 01:11:42,486 --> 01:11:46,322 met up with everybody and said hello to Wolf. 1175 01:11:46,322 --> 01:11:49,701 Bloody hell. I was saying hello to my hero. 1176 01:11:49,701 --> 01:11:52,245 Alright, let -- let everybody get together then 1177 01:11:52,246 --> 01:11:53,540 and we'll try to make it. 1178 01:11:53,540 --> 01:11:56,334 Wolf had a voice that, uh, nobody else had. 1179 01:11:56,334 --> 01:11:59,545 Oh, man, come on, he.. 1180 01:11:59,545 --> 01:12:01,464 He ain't got nothin' to do but count off. 1181 01:12:01,464 --> 01:12:04,009 Alright, let's get on it. 1182 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:09,180 It was wonderful to do it with Wolf and meet his family. 1183 01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:11,350 He was a lovely man, he was so gentle. 1184 01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:12,725 He was this gentle giant. 1185 01:12:12,725 --> 01:12:16,063 He was terrifying to look at and to be around. 1186 01:12:16,064 --> 01:12:17,190 Those moments are there to be caught. 1187 01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:20,988 But you're bloody lucky most times if you catch 'em. 1188 01:12:22,988 --> 01:12:26,126 ♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪♪ 1189 01:12:36,127 --> 01:12:37,879 We got the message from the office 1190 01:12:37,879 --> 01:12:40,464 that Mick Taylor said I've left. 1191 01:12:40,465 --> 01:12:42,218 Fuck, now we were just gonna start recording. 1192 01:12:43,218 --> 01:12:45,472 We haven't got a fucking guitar player, you know. 1193 01:12:47,472 --> 01:12:49,057 Tune up room session. 1194 01:12:49,057 --> 01:12:50,558 Ah! 1195 01:12:53,563 --> 01:12:57,733 ♪ Baby baby I've been so sad ♪ 1196 01:12:57,733 --> 01:13:02,322 It finally came down to trying to borrow Woody for the tour. 1197 01:13:02,323 --> 01:13:03,865 Borrowing him from the Faces. 1198 01:13:03,865 --> 01:13:05,783 ♪ Where you do belong ♪ 1199 01:13:05,783 --> 01:13:08,787 He was a nice catalyst between me and Charlie 1200 01:13:08,787 --> 01:13:10,998 and Keith and Mick. 1201 01:13:10,998 --> 01:13:14,667 Ronnie was like the clown that sort of linked it all together. 1202 01:13:14,668 --> 01:13:16,922 ♪ If I ever get back to Fun City ♪ 1203 01:13:16,922 --> 01:13:21,052 ♪ Girl I'm gonna make you scream all night ♪♪ 1204 01:13:22,052 --> 01:13:23,928 What is it after so many years of touring 1205 01:13:23,928 --> 01:13:25,226 that -- that keeps you going? 1206 01:13:30,227 --> 01:13:32,729 I don't know. Just playing together. 1207 01:13:32,729 --> 01:13:35,732 All -- all the memories and all the places, the people. 1208 01:13:35,732 --> 01:13:37,692 Uh, I can't -- I can't explain it. 1209 01:13:37,693 --> 01:13:39,237 It's just good to get on the stage 1210 01:13:39,237 --> 01:13:41,489 and play in front of people who wanna listen to you. 1211 01:14:15,235 --> 01:14:17,196 ♪ Mama and papa told me I was crazy to stay ♪ 1212 01:14:18,196 --> 01:14:20,824 ♪ I was a fag in New York I was gay ♪♪ 1213 01:14:20,824 --> 01:14:25,328 In July '78, I tripped on some cables 1214 01:14:25,329 --> 01:14:27,206 and fell about 6 or 7 feet with my guitar 1215 01:14:28,206 --> 01:14:29,750 and was knocked out. 1216 01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:31,544 Everybody else had gone 1217 01:14:31,544 --> 01:14:34,546 and then suddenly realized that I was nowhere around. 1218 01:14:34,546 --> 01:14:36,840 So people came back and just saw my silver boots 1219 01:14:36,841 --> 01:14:39,427 stickin' out through the curtain. 1220 01:14:39,427 --> 01:14:42,764 And for the rest of that tour, I had to play 1221 01:14:42,764 --> 01:14:45,322 with two central fingers strapped up. 1222 01:14:58,324 --> 01:15:00,825 '81, we toured America. 1223 01:15:00,825 --> 01:15:02,785 Massive tour of America, it was wonderful. 1224 01:15:16,218 --> 01:15:18,469 '82, we toured Europe. 1225 01:15:18,469 --> 01:15:22,098 Same thing. Also massive and wonderful. 1226 01:15:22,099 --> 01:15:24,268 ♪ I've been holding out so long ♪ 1227 01:15:24,268 --> 01:15:26,562 ♪ I've been sleeping all alone ♪ 1228 01:15:26,562 --> 01:15:28,071 ♪ Girl I miss you ♪♪ 1229 01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:37,407 And then nothing happened. 1230 01:15:37,407 --> 01:15:38,742 Mick and Keith started arguing 1231 01:15:38,742 --> 01:15:41,118 and fighting about God knows what. 1232 01:15:41,118 --> 01:15:43,413 We never played a gig for seven years. 1233 01:15:43,413 --> 01:15:47,124 In the meantime, I started to look out for myself. 1234 01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:17,032 Great, let's break and, uh, have some tea 1235 01:16:17,032 --> 01:16:19,326 and then we'll come up and listen to it again all the way through, shall we? 1236 01:16:19,327 --> 01:16:21,790 That's good. That sounds really good to me. 1237 01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:26,085 Everybody wants to do a solo album, but not seriously. 1238 01:16:26,085 --> 01:16:29,130 So I sat down and, uh, started writin'. 1239 01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:30,922 I -- I made up little cassettes at home 1240 01:16:30,923 --> 01:16:32,217 on this terrible little tape recorder I've got 1241 01:16:33,217 --> 01:16:36,680 not a ReVox or anything sophisticated. 1242 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,266 When I did "Je Suis Un Rock Star," everything went crazy. 1243 01:16:39,266 --> 01:16:41,310 ♪ Je suis un rock star ♪ 1244 01:16:41,310 --> 01:16:43,352 ♪ Je avais un residence ♪ 1245 01:16:43,353 --> 01:16:45,772 ♪ Je habiter la ♪ 1246 01:16:45,772 --> 01:16:47,984 ♪ A la south of France ♪ 1247 01:16:47,984 --> 01:16:50,152 ♪ Voulez vous ♪ 1248 01:16:50,152 --> 01:16:51,820 ♪ Partir with me? ♪ 1249 01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:55,951 ♪ And come and rester la with me in France ♪ 1250 01:16:57,952 --> 01:17:00,496 Playing the single now. 1251 01:17:00,496 --> 01:17:04,000 That is Bill Wyman, "Si, Si, Chay Suis Un Rock Star." 1252 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,501 Am I saying that right, Bill? 1253 01:17:05,502 --> 01:17:08,965 "Je Suis Un Rock Star." I am a rock star, yeah. 1254 01:17:08,965 --> 01:17:13,345 I don't believe it. I mean, I'm not serious. 1255 01:17:13,345 --> 01:17:16,014 Currently in Europe, your single is, uh 1256 01:17:16,014 --> 01:17:18,515 in the top ten, right? In -- In England? 1257 01:17:18,516 --> 01:17:20,895 Yeah, it's gone top 15 in every country so far 1258 01:17:20,895 --> 01:17:22,355 and I'm really pleased with it. 1259 01:17:22,355 --> 01:17:26,274 I'm very naively excited about having a hit record 1260 01:17:26,274 --> 01:17:28,819 just like I was in '63 with the Stones. 1261 01:17:28,820 --> 01:17:31,030 It's -- it's like Christmas. 1262 01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:33,909 ♪ Je avais un residence ♪♪ 1263 01:17:33,909 --> 01:17:35,494 Tell me, Bill, is it different 1264 01:17:35,494 --> 01:17:37,162 when a superstar goes to the men's room 1265 01:17:37,162 --> 01:17:39,330 than for your average ordinary person? 1266 01:17:39,330 --> 01:17:41,708 Um, yeah. 1267 01:17:41,709 --> 01:17:43,794 What's the difference? 1268 01:17:43,794 --> 01:17:46,049 - You have a super pee. - Super pee. 1269 01:17:52,595 --> 01:17:55,099 Everybody thought that our life was so romantic 1270 01:17:55,099 --> 01:17:56,892 and wonderful and exciting and all that. 1271 01:17:56,892 --> 01:17:59,937 It was for two hours, if you were on stage. 1272 01:17:59,937 --> 01:18:03,069 The rest of the time was boredom. 1273 01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:11,244 It's very difficult to keep your sanity, actually. 1274 01:18:15,245 --> 01:18:16,830 You moved away from all your friends. 1275 01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:18,039 You were always traveling. 1276 01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:19,917 You're always on the road, you know. 1277 01:18:19,917 --> 01:18:21,918 So it's forever changin'. 1278 01:18:21,918 --> 01:18:24,846 Nothing's kind of permanent. 1279 01:18:31,847 --> 01:18:33,891 There was no time. 1280 01:18:33,891 --> 01:18:35,767 I mean, you looked around suddenly 1281 01:18:35,767 --> 01:18:39,812 and you hadn't seen your cousin Peter for two years 1282 01:18:39,813 --> 01:18:42,233 and even brothers and sisters you almost lose touch with 1283 01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:45,457 because you're -- you're livin' in a different world. 1284 01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,754 I got this invite to go to this event 1285 01:19:01,755 --> 01:19:04,885 and there was all these people dancing in the front. 1286 01:19:06,885 --> 01:19:10,305 I saw this beautiful girl with her hair up. 1287 01:19:10,305 --> 01:19:13,980 I spoke to her and found her name was Mandy Smith. 1288 01:19:18,981 --> 01:19:21,609 It was from the heart. It wasn't from, like, lust 1289 01:19:21,609 --> 01:19:24,994 or anything like that which people was seeing it as. 1290 01:19:35,499 --> 01:19:38,293 Bill, were you in any way, were you in any way hesitant 1291 01:19:38,294 --> 01:19:41,296 having been a bachelor boy for so long 1292 01:19:41,296 --> 01:19:42,965 or free -- free spirit for so long 1293 01:19:42,965 --> 01:19:44,550 were you very hesitant about 1294 01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:47,219 taking the months of marriage again? 1295 01:19:47,219 --> 01:19:48,763 No, I always thought she was the right girl 1296 01:19:48,764 --> 01:19:51,183 from the moment I met her, but it was just the wrong time. 1297 01:19:51,183 --> 01:19:52,810 She was too young. 1298 01:19:52,810 --> 01:19:55,854 I thought she had to go out and see life a bit 1299 01:19:55,854 --> 01:19:58,148 before she could make that kind of a decision. 1300 01:19:58,148 --> 01:20:00,525 He is the rebel Rolling Stone 1301 01:20:00,526 --> 01:20:02,361 but their wedding blessing today 1302 01:20:02,361 --> 01:20:04,614 could not have been more traditional. 1303 01:20:04,614 --> 01:20:06,699 They both said they wouldn't feel married 1304 01:20:06,699 --> 01:20:09,034 without the formalities of a church service. 1305 01:20:09,034 --> 01:20:11,373 And those they had, right down to the confettis. 1306 01:20:14,374 --> 01:20:15,959 When we first met each other, actually. 1307 01:20:15,959 --> 01:20:18,337 When, like, years ago, we wanted to get married 1308 01:20:18,337 --> 01:20:20,213 but obviously we couldn't. 1309 01:20:20,213 --> 01:20:22,090 The things work out in the end if they're right 1310 01:20:22,090 --> 01:20:24,051 and we always thought it was right since the beginning 1311 01:20:24,052 --> 01:20:25,558 and, uh, here we are. 1312 01:20:30,558 --> 01:20:34,567 I was really stupid to ever think it could possibly work. 1313 01:20:38,568 --> 01:20:41,821 Two sad marriages, really 1314 01:20:41,821 --> 01:20:44,916 and I decided it was time I got my fucking life in order. 1315 01:20:53,917 --> 01:20:59,047 Five, four, three, two, one. 1316 01:20:59,048 --> 01:21:00,799 Fire. 1317 01:21:02,217 --> 01:21:04,846 ♪ Start me up ♪ 1318 01:21:04,846 --> 01:21:06,431 ♪ If you start me up I'll never stop ♪ 1319 01:21:06,431 --> 01:21:09,601 We hadn't played one show from '82 to '89. 1320 01:21:09,602 --> 01:21:11,437 So it was a coming together again 1321 01:21:11,437 --> 01:21:13,441 but I saw it as a grand finale. 1322 01:21:15,441 --> 01:21:17,360 We did five Wembley Stadiums 1323 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,990 we did six Shea Stadiums in New York. 1324 01:21:22,991 --> 01:21:25,035 We went to Japan for the first time. 1325 01:21:25,035 --> 01:21:28,121 We played the Tokyo Dome, 45,000 people 1326 01:21:28,121 --> 01:21:30,624 ten shows one after the other. 1327 01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:32,834 It was fantastic. 1328 01:21:40,635 --> 01:21:42,596 ♪ I can't get no ♪ 1329 01:21:44,597 --> 01:21:47,309 In Prague, we played to 130,000 people 1330 01:21:47,309 --> 01:21:51,437 because they came from Poland and Hungary and Czechoslovakia. 1331 01:21:51,437 --> 01:21:53,649 All in all, those three tours 1332 01:21:53,649 --> 01:21:55,985 we played 120 shows 1333 01:21:55,986 --> 01:21:59,489 seven and a quarter million people. 1334 01:21:59,489 --> 01:22:00,240 It was extraordinary. 1335 01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:05,160 ♪ Supposed to fire my imagination ♪ 1336 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:06,498 ♪ I can't get no ♪♪ 1337 01:22:08,499 --> 01:22:10,792 We finished that tour. 1338 01:22:10,792 --> 01:22:12,460 I just sat back 1339 01:22:12,460 --> 01:22:15,339 and I thought this is a nice time to end my career 1340 01:22:15,339 --> 01:22:17,638 with the Rolling Stones, on a big high. 1341 01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,224 So I left. 1342 01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:30,354 All those 31 years with the band 1343 01:22:30,355 --> 01:22:33,025 I -- I absolutely loved what we did 1344 01:22:33,025 --> 01:22:35,569 loved what we achieved. 1345 01:22:35,569 --> 01:22:41,182 But I needed to sort out my personal life and my future. 1346 01:23:05,185 --> 01:23:07,479 There's a very happy bird up there. 1347 01:23:33,632 --> 01:23:34,641 It's fantastic. 1348 01:23:41,642 --> 01:23:43,603 They're really cute little butterflies. 1349 01:23:45,603 --> 01:23:49,357 ♪ Love is such a wonderful thing ♪ 1350 01:23:49,357 --> 01:23:52,652 ♪ When you need it ♪ 1351 01:23:52,653 --> 01:23:54,906 ♪ Look around for it ♪ 1352 01:23:54,906 --> 01:23:58,117 ♪ Love is such a wonderful thing ♪♪ 1353 01:23:58,117 --> 01:23:59,702 Go on, you go. 1354 01:23:59,702 --> 01:24:01,787 You've got a better memory than me on those days. 1355 01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:04,040 - Oh, yeah. Why? - The romantic moments. 1356 01:24:04,041 --> 01:24:06,126 Yeah, why do you forget all the romantic moments? 1357 01:24:06,126 --> 01:24:07,836 I do. I -- I remember all the other stuff. 1358 01:24:07,836 --> 01:24:10,131 You remember all the facts, but you forget all the romantic moments. 1359 01:24:10,131 --> 01:24:11,299 Yeah. 1360 01:24:11,299 --> 01:24:13,967 Suzanne and I met in 1979 1361 01:24:13,967 --> 01:24:18,848 and she became the inspiration for "Je Suis Un Rock Star." 1362 01:24:18,849 --> 01:24:21,810 - Can you see me in there? - Can you say famous? 1363 01:24:21,810 --> 01:24:22,810 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1364 01:24:22,810 --> 01:24:23,814 Hi. 1365 01:24:25,814 --> 01:24:27,649 We are cliche. 1366 01:24:27,650 --> 01:24:30,652 I was a model, he was a musician. 1367 01:24:30,652 --> 01:24:33,405 He was with a photographer, I was quite bored at the party 1368 01:24:33,405 --> 01:24:37,200 and I thought I should probably go up and talk to this photographer. 1369 01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,120 And Bill started to chat me up 1370 01:24:40,121 --> 01:24:42,665 and I started to -- to talk about music 1371 01:24:42,665 --> 01:24:45,501 askin' him why he was so interested in music. 1372 01:24:45,501 --> 01:24:47,593 And I felt kind of bad that I didn't recognize him. 1373 01:24:52,594 --> 01:24:53,554 And that's Matilda. 1374 01:24:55,554 --> 01:24:57,223 We got you. 1375 01:24:57,223 --> 01:24:58,267 Can we use your paintbrushes? 1376 01:24:59,267 --> 01:25:01,023 I guess so. It's a bit late now, isn't it? 1377 01:25:06,024 --> 01:25:08,819 Oh, we'll have to get these eggs. 1378 01:25:08,819 --> 01:25:13,365 When we decided to get married, it was to have a family. 1379 01:25:13,366 --> 01:25:15,578 He wanted to start life over again. 1380 01:25:16,578 --> 01:25:18,704 He just wanted to have a normal life. 1381 01:25:18,704 --> 01:25:21,874 He wanted to be able to walk down the street 1382 01:25:21,874 --> 01:25:24,711 and be able to go to a movie theater 1383 01:25:24,712 --> 01:25:26,129 without being bothered. 1384 01:25:26,129 --> 01:25:28,007 He just wanted to know what that felt like. 1385 01:25:28,007 --> 01:25:30,218 Yeah, so.. Shh. 1386 01:25:38,434 --> 01:25:41,273 When we got married and when we had the kids 1387 01:25:42,273 --> 01:25:45,067 it gave him time. 1388 01:25:45,067 --> 01:25:47,402 I think time is his foundation 1389 01:25:47,403 --> 01:25:49,363 and he wants to use all this time 1390 01:25:49,363 --> 01:25:52,202 in a very productive way. 1391 01:25:54,202 --> 01:25:56,578 He just has this need 1392 01:25:56,578 --> 01:26:01,583 to almost relive what he experienced 1393 01:26:01,584 --> 01:26:04,505 and put it in some sort of order 1394 01:26:04,505 --> 01:26:07,726 and find out who he really was and what he'd gone through. 1395 01:26:17,727 --> 01:26:21,440 So he started to dig out the old boxes 1396 01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:24,110 scannin' things.. 1397 01:26:25,111 --> 01:26:27,155 ...and really started to look at it 1398 01:26:27,155 --> 01:26:29,991 as a life's work ahead of him 1399 01:26:29,991 --> 01:26:33,036 that he had to complete. 1400 01:26:33,036 --> 01:26:36,121 I think when he works on the archive, it inspires him. 1401 01:26:36,122 --> 01:26:38,375 It's almost like he has a treasure 1402 01:26:38,375 --> 01:26:40,636 and he wants to share it with someone else. 1403 01:26:57,187 --> 01:26:59,315 And I decided to play music again. 1404 01:27:04,486 --> 01:27:06,989 Forming the Rhythm Kings enabled me to play 1405 01:27:06,989 --> 01:27:09,950 with a whole variety of wonderful musicians 1406 01:27:09,951 --> 01:27:13,330 and dig into the roots of -- of music 1407 01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:16,124 finding a lot of early stuff 1408 01:27:16,124 --> 01:27:19,126 which had been forgotten about and reviving it. 1409 01:27:42,278 --> 01:27:44,195 Do you mind, sir, putting that down? 1410 01:27:44,196 --> 01:27:46,199 We can't have that going on here. 1411 01:27:58,087 --> 01:28:02,341 The atmosphere on the bus, it's like, uh, it's a family. 1412 01:28:02,341 --> 01:28:04,259 He likes being around players. 1413 01:28:04,259 --> 01:28:06,637 He likes the jokes. 1414 01:28:06,638 --> 01:28:08,696 All his life, he's been a working player. 1415 01:28:23,697 --> 01:28:27,743 Bill is the kind of artist who wants to do the music 1416 01:28:27,743 --> 01:28:29,162 but he doesn't necessarily have to have 1417 01:28:29,162 --> 01:28:31,080 all the adulation for it. 1418 01:28:31,081 --> 01:28:33,878 He's playing his music for himself. 1419 01:28:36,878 --> 01:28:41,257 You have to have that courage to take that other road 1420 01:28:41,258 --> 01:28:42,761 to be yourself, to find yourself 1421 01:28:42,761 --> 01:28:45,430 because you can get lost in this road to stardom. 1422 01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:47,598 I mean, you really can, and that's all you have 1423 01:28:47,598 --> 01:28:50,476 and then maybe at the end of your life, you're like 1424 01:28:50,476 --> 01:28:53,605 "Wow, I wish I had, you know, taken a few moments 1425 01:28:53,606 --> 01:28:55,275 to stop and smell the roses." 1426 01:28:56,275 --> 01:28:58,110 And I don't think that Bill will ever say that. 1427 01:28:58,110 --> 01:29:02,114 I think he has been able to not only smell them but name them. 1428 01:29:13,626 --> 01:29:16,463 To have gone through that life experience 1429 01:29:16,464 --> 01:29:21,635 and still be very rooted, really the child of the 1940s 1430 01:29:21,635 --> 01:29:24,140 I mean, you're looking at old England with this guy. 1431 01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:28,725 People only really get bothered by fame 1432 01:29:28,726 --> 01:29:32,105 or it disturbs them is when they start acting famous. 1433 01:29:32,105 --> 01:29:34,989 I don't think Bill ever started acting famous. 1434 01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:42,366 I can get by on things we do 1435 01:29:42,366 --> 01:29:45,160 and, uh, some better than average 1436 01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,414 better than some and worse than some. 1437 01:29:47,414 --> 01:29:49,164 But, uh, you can always learn 1438 01:29:49,164 --> 01:29:51,294 and you never become as good as you'd like to. 1439 01:29:52,295 --> 01:29:55,089 I don't think, no matter what you play. 1440 01:29:57,674 --> 01:30:02,179 ♪ Georgia Georgia ♪ 1441 01:30:02,179 --> 01:30:04,682 Ray Charles was playing at the South Bank. 1442 01:30:04,683 --> 01:30:07,602 And halfway through the concert, Ray Charles decides to do 1443 01:30:07,602 --> 01:30:09,729 "Georgia On My Mind" on the piano 1444 01:30:09,729 --> 01:30:12,858 and he dismisses the band and the Raylettes and everyone 1445 01:30:12,858 --> 01:30:16,569 and he's by himself on the stage, and he starts.. 1446 01:30:16,570 --> 01:30:20,158 ♪ Georgia da da da Georgia ♪ 1447 01:30:20,158 --> 01:30:22,743 And it was so emotional. 1448 01:30:22,743 --> 01:30:27,623 The whole audience, 4000 people in tears. 1449 01:30:27,624 --> 01:30:29,125 With Ray Charles, and I thought 1450 01:30:29,125 --> 01:30:31,878 "No one, no one 1451 01:30:31,878 --> 01:30:35,048 gets an audience like that, you know, except him." 1452 01:30:35,048 --> 01:30:39,802 It was amazing. And, uh, anyway, the concert finished. 1453 01:30:39,803 --> 01:30:42,808 See, I get emotional because it was so fantastic. 1454 01:30:43,808 --> 01:30:46,561 It finished, and the people, and my friends said 1455 01:30:46,561 --> 01:30:49,397 "Can we go backstage and meet him?" And I went.. 1456 01:30:50,816 --> 01:30:52,902 I said, "Musicians, they don't really like people 1457 01:30:52,902 --> 01:30:54,737 "coming backstage when they've just come offstage. 1458 01:30:54,737 --> 01:30:56,988 "They're exhausted, and they're tired, and they're sweaty 1459 01:30:56,988 --> 01:30:59,992 and they just wanna have a break and all that." 1460 01:30:59,992 --> 01:31:01,826 So I said, "No, I'd rather not." 1461 01:31:01,827 --> 01:31:04,413 They said, "Alright, but just stay here until the audience go 1462 01:31:04,413 --> 01:31:06,292 and then we can go quieter out." 1463 01:31:07,292 --> 01:31:09,920 While we were waiting there, someone came 1464 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,131 from backstage, and they came over and said, um 1465 01:31:13,132 --> 01:31:15,761 "Mr. Charles knows you're here and he wants to invite you." 1466 01:31:17,761 --> 01:31:20,431 Because you admire him more than any other musician 1467 01:31:20,431 --> 01:31:22,141 don't you, yeah? 1468 01:31:26,981 --> 01:31:30,946 You know, it was, it was a fantastic moment. 1469 01:31:34,946 --> 01:31:36,741 - Just wait a minute. - It's okay. 1470 01:31:38,742 --> 01:31:40,955 Ah! Leave it a minute. 1471 01:31:41,955 --> 01:31:44,000 So.. 1472 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,421 Yeah, he, uh.. 1473 01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:53,430 We went backstage and met him. 1474 01:31:57,430 --> 01:32:01,019 He was...fantastic. 1475 01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:05,564 - I can't do it, sorry. - Anyhow, they asked him.. 1476 01:32:05,564 --> 01:32:10,151 Ray Charles asked him if he would play on his next album and -- 1477 01:32:10,152 --> 01:32:12,363 - And I chickened out. - He just said how could I -- 1478 01:32:12,363 --> 01:32:14,490 I said, "I'm not good enough." 1479 01:32:14,490 --> 01:32:16,328 That's what he.. Yeah. 1480 01:32:18,328 --> 01:32:19,288 You just, well, you didn't say it to his face -- 1481 01:32:20,288 --> 01:32:21,580 - I did. - Did you really? 1482 01:32:21,580 --> 01:32:22,582 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 1483 01:32:22,583 --> 01:32:23,916 I didn't know that. 1484 01:32:23,916 --> 01:32:25,376 - Yeah. - And what did he say? 1485 01:32:25,376 --> 01:32:29,173 He was, we -- we spent half an hour in his dressing room. 1486 01:32:29,173 --> 01:32:30,675 He's absolutely fantastic. 1487 01:32:32,675 --> 01:32:33,345 And then he said that. 1488 01:32:35,346 --> 01:32:36,973 He said, "Would you like to play on my next album?" 1489 01:32:36,973 --> 01:32:40,019 I said, "I'm not good enough." 1490 01:32:42,019 --> 01:32:44,399 ♪ Just an old sweet song ♪ 1491 01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,945 ♪ Keeps Georgia on my mind ♪♪ 1492 01:32:50,945 --> 01:32:53,032 Almost every bass player I've ever met 1493 01:32:53,032 --> 01:32:56,827 is always a big guy with huge hands. 1494 01:32:56,828 --> 01:32:58,704 When I was a little boy, you know 1495 01:32:58,704 --> 01:33:01,708 all my heroes were the little guys. 1496 01:33:01,708 --> 01:33:03,877 I think there's something about being the little guy 1497 01:33:03,877 --> 01:33:06,797 you always wanna prove that you can still do it 1498 01:33:06,797 --> 01:33:09,048 against the big guys 1499 01:33:09,049 --> 01:33:11,259 and that's the drive. 1500 01:33:11,259 --> 01:33:13,721 And it's been my drive all my life. 1501 01:33:18,810 --> 01:33:21,231 You make your own way, don't you? 1502 01:33:23,232 --> 01:33:26,911 You just head in directions that you think are good at the time. 1503 01:33:35,912 --> 01:33:37,455 Something magical happened. 1504 01:33:37,455 --> 01:33:40,670 Something unusual. Something rare. 1505 01:33:43,671 --> 01:33:47,173 Which shouldn't have really happened to a working-class boy 1506 01:33:47,173 --> 01:33:50,511 from South London, and it's bizarre. 1507 01:33:50,511 --> 01:33:52,435 It's a bizarre life I've had. 1508 01:33:57,436 --> 01:34:01,661 Bill Wyman. I play bass...guitar. 1509 01:34:15,662 --> 01:34:17,968 I think we're done here, aren't we? 1510 01:34:46,864 --> 01:34:48,824 ♪ Tell you a secret ♪ 1511 01:34:48,824 --> 01:34:50,327 ♪ You gotta keep it hid ♪ 1512 01:34:51,327 --> 01:34:53,495 ♪ Tell you about a woman ♪ 1513 01:34:53,496 --> 01:34:55,790 ♪ And the things she did ♪ 1514 01:34:55,790 --> 01:34:58,000 ♪ She took my money ♪ 1515 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,128 ♪ And she took my pride ♪ 1516 01:35:00,128 --> 01:35:01,338 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1517 01:35:02,338 --> 01:35:04,512 ♪ I got nothing to hide ♪ 1518 01:35:08,513 --> 01:35:11,227 ♪ Because I'm moving on down the line ♪ 1519 01:35:14,227 --> 01:35:17,021 ♪ I'm gonna leave that no-good woman ♪ 1520 01:35:17,022 --> 01:35:19,860 ♪ Get that devil woman off my mind ♪ 1521 01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:24,363 ♪ I'll take the moonlight special ♪ 1522 01:35:24,363 --> 01:35:27,366 ♪ Moonlight special ♪ ♪ Gonna do it right ♪ 1523 01:35:27,367 --> 01:35:29,535 ♪ Yeah the moonlight special ♪ ♪ Moonlight special ♪ 1524 01:35:29,535 --> 01:35:32,122 ♪ And travel overnight ♪ 1525 01:35:32,122 --> 01:35:34,373 ♪ I'm going up the country ♪ ♪ I'm going up the country ♪ 1526 01:35:34,373 --> 01:35:37,292 ♪ Where I can't be found ♪ 1527 01:35:37,292 --> 01:35:41,883 ♪ Find a hideaway and keep my ear close to the ground ♪ 1528 01:35:44,884 --> 01:35:46,432 ♪ Yes I'm moving on down the line ♪ 1529 01:35:50,433 --> 01:35:53,269 ♪ I'm gonna leave that no-good woman ♪ 1530 01:35:53,269 --> 01:35:57,065 ♪ Get that devil woman off my mind ♪ 1531 01:35:57,065 --> 01:35:58,705 ♪ Aww tell me ♪ 1532 01:36:12,706 --> 01:36:15,084 ♪ She's a mean mistreater ♪ ♪ Mean mistreater ♪ 1533 01:36:15,085 --> 01:36:17,378 ♪ And she treat me bad ♪ ♪ Treat me bad ♪ 1534 01:36:17,378 --> 01:36:18,463 ♪ She's a robber and a cheater ♪ 1535 01:36:18,463 --> 01:36:19,756 ♪ Robber and a cheater ♪ 1536 01:36:19,756 --> 01:36:22,009 ♪ She's got me mad ♪ ♪ Got me mad ♪ 1537 01:36:22,009 --> 01:36:23,345 ♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪ ♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪ 1538 01:36:24,345 --> 01:36:26,387 ♪ Right out of my mind ♪ ♪ Right out of my mind ♪ 1539 01:36:26,388 --> 01:36:29,100 ♪ I'm gonna leave that woman ♪ ♪ Gonna leave that woman ♪ 1540 01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,939 ♪ Leave that woman way behind ♪ 1541 01:36:34,939 --> 01:36:37,486 ♪ 'Cause I'm moving on down the line ♪ 1542 01:36:40,487 --> 01:36:42,324 ♪ I'm gonna leave that no-good woman ♪ 1543 01:36:43,324 --> 01:36:45,954 ♪ Get that devil woman off my mind ♪ 1544 01:36:48,955 --> 01:36:51,415 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1545 01:36:51,415 --> 01:36:53,626 ♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪ 1546 01:36:53,626 --> 01:36:55,461 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1547 01:36:55,461 --> 01:36:58,005 ♪ Ooh about the things she did ♪ 1548 01:36:58,005 --> 01:37:00,216 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1549 01:37:00,217 --> 01:37:03,136 ♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪ 1550 01:37:03,136 --> 01:37:05,974 Shh. 1551 01:37:07,974 --> 01:37:09,397 ♪ Early in the morning about the break of day ♪ 1552 01:37:12,398 --> 01:37:14,776 ♪ That's when my baby ran away ♪ 1553 01:37:16,776 --> 01:37:18,364 ♪ Crying and pleading won't do no good ♪ 1554 01:37:21,364 --> 01:37:23,743 ♪ Come back baby I wish you would ♪ 1555 01:37:25,744 --> 01:37:28,080 ♪ I love you girl I can't help myself ♪ 1556 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,334 ♪ Oh aah ♪ 1557 01:37:32,334 --> 01:37:33,503 ♪ Go ♪ 1558 01:37:34,503 --> 01:37:35,798 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1559 01:37:36,799 --> 01:37:37,553 ♪ Oh ♪♪ 1560 01:37:40,553 --> 01:37:42,263 Goodnight. 1561 01:37:44,948 --> 01:37:47,199 Everyone, this is Rhythm Kings. 1562 01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:48,868 Goodnight to you all. 122196

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