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Shall we do a mic test, Bill?
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Well, I'll just talk
about that loud, don't I?
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Not much louder.
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It looks like it's got
quite a good level there.
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Bouncin' about.
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Yep.
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Here we go.
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Play simple.
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You're leavin' space and holes
for people to fill in.
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Not to get in the way.
Not to be really noticed.
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'Cause if you did
the right thing
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you don't get noticed.
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And that's the way I play.
Very simple.
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I am Charlie Watts.
I am the drummer.
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I'm Brian Jones, the guitarist
and harmonica player.
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Keith Richards, guitar.
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Mick Jagger, s..
I sing...songs.
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Bill Wyman.
I play bass...guitar.
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♪ I see a red door ♪
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♪ And I want it painted black ♪
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♪ No colors anymore ♪
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♪ I want them to turn black ♪
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♪ I see the girls walk by ♪
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♪ Dressed
in their summer clothes ♪
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♪ I have to turn my head ♪
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♪ Until my darkness goes ♪
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♪ I see a line of cars ♪
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♪ And they're all
painted black ♪
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♪ With flowers and my love ♪
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♪ Both never to come back ♪
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♪ I see people
turn their heads ♪
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♪ And quickly look away ♪
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♪ Like a newborn baby ♪
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♪ It just happens every day ♪
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♪ I look inside myself ♪
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♪ And see my heart is black ♪
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♪ I see my red door ♪
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♪ I must have it
painted black ♪
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♪ Maybe then I'll fade away ♪
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♪ And not have to face
the facts ♪
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♪ It's not easy facin' up ♪
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♪ When your whole world
is black ♪
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♪ No more will my green sea ♪
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♪ Go turn a deeper blue ♪
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♪ I could not foresee
this thing ♪
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♪ Happening to you ♪
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You've always been
the silent Stone.
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That's been the-- the image.
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The great Stone Face, I know.
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♪ My love will laugh with me ♪
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♪ Before the mornin' comes ♪♪
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People always ask me
why I collected things
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and why I built an archive
like I did and still do.
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This is my little capsule
of my life in here.
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I suppose if you looked
at my bookshelves
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you would sort of
understand me better.
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I always thought it was
important to keep a record
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of what was going on.
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I've -- I've always
kept records
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or information of things
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since I was a-- a little boy
in the war.
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I remember standing out
in the streets
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with all the local families
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and watching the formations
of German bombers going over.
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It was just droning.
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Just this sound.
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There was
a German fighter bomber
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roaring up the street
towards us firing his guns.
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As it passed,
I ran down the street
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to where my grandmother
was waiting for me.
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She grabbed me
and we ran to go down
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the back of the stairs
to the air raid shelter.
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And then the silence.
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You go back to the school,
and there were two little girls
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who was in our class,
they weren't there anymore.
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They got killed.
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We go to that bomb site
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where there used to be
about 16 houses
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and find toys
and children's books
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and then we'd get chased off
by the air raid men.
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My grandmother
was like my mother.
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I mean,
she taught me everything.
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She was wonderful.
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She started me
collectin' things.
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All kinds of treasured
little things.
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I was collectin' stuff
and I made a scrapbook.
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And then I had to make
another scrapbook
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and another scrapbook.
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Then I have to get a trunk.
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And it just kept goin'
on and on.
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Whenever I came into contact
with anything
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that I could claim was mine,
I kept it.
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Throw it in the room here.
Throw it in the room.
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I always wanted to be
a musician.
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I always wanted to be
in a band.
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And I know it was so impossible
and so unlikely
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um, that I would be
that I just dismissed it
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completely from my mind.
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And, um, suddenly last year..
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...I -- I re -- remembered,
you know, after all that time.
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I suddenly remembered
that I'd always wanted to be
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and now I was, you know.
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It didn't mean a thing
to me anymore.
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It was a big,
it was such a big ambition.
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It was-- it was unobtainable
when I was little.
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I was coming from one
of the worst streets in Penge.
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It was like gang warfare
in those days.
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Most of the boys
in Blenheim Road
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ended up in borstals or prisons
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and a lot of them went bad.
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I was really quite ahead
of everybody
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because of what my gran
was teaching me.
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She did whatever she could
to bring me up.
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My mom and my dad
were not that kind of people.
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There was a emptiness,
a blankness in 'em.
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All that working-class stuff
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that children should be seen
and not heard.
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You felt pushed aside
all the time.
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I never really felt
like I had a home, you know.
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I really didn't.
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I went to a grammar school,
which was something special
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you know, in those days,
um, coming from a slum street.
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I was accused
of trying to be snobby
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by my mates in the street
and also by my dad.
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He always tried to insist
that I was working class
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and I should never
try to change
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because that's what I was.
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My dad pulled me out of school
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and the headmaster
wrote a letter to him.
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I've got it.
I've got the letter.
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And not only did he
pull me out of school
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he did the worst thing
possible.
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Put me to work
in a bettin' shop.
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He said,
"You're gonna contribute
to payin' for the house."
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Because he was a bricklayer,
and if he had bad weather
in the winter
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he couldn't work.
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I returned to live
with my grandmother
a number of times
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because I just couldn't get on
with my dad at all.
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I realized I was on me own.
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Once my grandmother died
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being loved kind of vanished,
really.
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She died when I was away
and I just never..
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...paid her back, really
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for all the love and affection
she gave me
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and I feel guilty about it.
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When I was born, she picked me
up in-- in her arms
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and said, "This boy's
gonna be world-famous."
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And everybody laughed
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including my mom, my dad,
my relatives.
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They all thought
it was like a big joke.
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Yeah.
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♪ I wanna tell you
how it's gonna be ♪
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♪ You're gonna give
your love to me ♪♪
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Give it up
for the Rolling Stones.
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♪ It sounds so sweet ♪
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The audience just stood
and sort of stared at us
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because we didn't have
no uniforms
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we didn't have
any matching guitars
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and we played
this blues and R&B
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which was alien to them.
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And then this crowd goes
fucking apeshit.
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♪ Going round and round ♪
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♪ Yeah reelin' and a rockin' ♪
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♪ What a crazy sound ♪
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♪ And they never
stopped rockin' ♪
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♪ Till the moon went down ♪♪
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We were just so different
from any other band.
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We played different music
to them.
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We played in a different way.
We played it better than them.
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Keith had all the licks off.
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And then you got Mick up front
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who's just all over
the bloody stage
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with the maracas and
the tambourine and all that.
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The greatest front man
there's ever been.
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It was a special band
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and we could blow
anyone off the stage
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no matter who it was.
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Bill had
a very individual style
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that wasn't particularly
hip or cool
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but he was his own person.
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He had a tremendous presence
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but he didn't impose
himself on you.
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Stone Face,
I think people called him
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or referred to him
as Stone Face.
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He was rake thin
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and when he smiled,
which wasn't that frequently
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his whole face lit up
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in a sort of great crease
of a smile.
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And he always had an air
of world-weariness.
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I remember seeing Bill
when we first rehearsed
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up the road in a pub.
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You know, he'd had a different
sort of upbringing.
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He's locked into an era
that was before us, really.
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So when we got on the road
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I think it was like liberation
for him.
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I went into the military
in '55.
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Thank God I got the strength
when I was in the military
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to be able to stand up
for myself
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and fight for my beliefs.
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Before that, I couldn't.
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I was posted to Germany.
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When I got there,
I met this great guy
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who was a genius footballer.
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His name was Gordon Lee Wyman.
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He was bit of a rebel.
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All his clothes were scruffy.
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And I kind of really
liked him for that
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because we all had to dress
tidy and neat
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otherwise we got a bollocking.
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But he seemed to
get away with it.
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He used to be
in the refuelin' trucks
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and he'd open the top
when it was being refueled.
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He'd be smokin' a cigarette
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and he'd just throw
the cigarette in the fuel.
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He did insane things.
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When he finished his fag,
he just dropped it in there.
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He was like the first person
I kind of idolized
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if you like.
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He did things his way,
and I related to all that.
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At the beginning of the Stones,
I decided to change my name
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because I'd never liked
my name.
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I officially changed my name
in '64 to Bill Wyman.
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I felt such a relief
havin' a different name
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and it just took a cloud
off my head.
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My dad hated me for it.
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He thought I was trying
to get away from my roots
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which I kind of was in a way.
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I mean,
it just changed my life.
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I bought a fleck jacket
just to be different, really.
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I'd have a Tony Curtis haircut
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hanging down the center there,
you know, a curly bit.
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People used to stare at me
in the street
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and I was proud of that.
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I was being an odd one out.
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At the barracks, the guys in
our room all clubbed together.
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We bought a radio in town,
in Oldenburg, for our room
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and at last we were able
to listen to whatever we wanted
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mostly through
American Forces Radio, AFN.
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We'd wake up at 5:30
in the morning
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and listen
to "Stickbuddy Jamboree"
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this fantastic country program.
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A very big, big, happy howdy
to you out there,
friends and neighbors.
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This is your old country buddy
Wagon Wheel Willie
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comin' at you
on "Stickbuddy Jamboree."
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Sit back and relax
and enjoy 25 minutes
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of good country
and western recorded music.
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Then, of course,
shortly after that
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we heard the beginnings
of rock and roll.
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♪ Train I ride ♪
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I could go
to the American PSI shops
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and buy the first
little 45 records.
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♪ Train I ride ♪♪
253
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It was just like
brand-new music.
254
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It just blew me away.
255
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And I had to be involved in it.
256
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I had to.
257
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I went straight down
into the Oldenburg town
258
00:17:38,629 --> 00:17:41,051
and I bought
my first acoustic guitar.
259
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When I came out of
the military on leave
260
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I went to the cinema,
the, uh, Regal Cinema
261
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in Beckenham
with a couple of friends
262
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and we saw this film
called "Rock, Rock, Rock!"
263
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About halfway through,
I saw this trio
264
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called Johnny Burnette
Trio who did this..
265
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♪ Lonesome train ♪
266
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...on a lonesome track.
267
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♪ Tum tum lonesome train ♪
268
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A bit like early Elvis.
269
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♪ I'm coming back ♪♪
270
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With all this, you know
271
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his mouth a bit twisted
272
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like Elvis and all that.
273
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I thought,
"Oh, they're great," you know.
274
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About ten minutes
further into the film
275
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there's this black guy
with a little mustache
276
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in a white suit
277
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with a little
Gibson Les Paul guitar.
278
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♪ Do do do la da da
do do da la da da da ♪♪
279
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Chuck Berry.
280
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And that just blew my mind.
281
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My hair went on the back
of my neck.
282
00:18:38,944 --> 00:18:42,531
I thought, "Fuckin' hell."
It just blew me away.
283
00:18:42,531 --> 00:18:45,075
This guy was doin'
the duck walk across the stage
284
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and shakin' his legs
and shudderin'.
285
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And the audience are laughing.
286
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They thought it was
a comedy show or something.
287
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And I'm sitting there thinking
288
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"This is the most
incredible thing
289
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that's ever happened to me."
290
00:18:55,045 --> 00:18:56,630
It was then that I thought
291
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:58,465
"Well, I've got
to form a band."
292
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♪ Get too close
you know I'm gone ♪
293
00:19:00,842 --> 00:19:03,888
♪ Like a cool breeze ♪
294
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I'm out of the military
295
00:19:05,598 --> 00:19:08,059
and that's when the Cliftons
came into existence.
296
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♪ Wee wee hours ♪
297
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We used to sit in my kitchen
with a little tape recorder
298
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and just learn
all these basic songs.
299
00:19:14,232 --> 00:19:17,736
♪ Here come a flat-top
he was moving up with me ♪♪
300
00:19:17,737 --> 00:19:20,489
We used to play
all the hits of the day.
301
00:19:20,489 --> 00:19:22,909
Um, for that,
we used to get a pound each
302
00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:23,918
and a sandwich and a beer.
303
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:34,004
How long did it take you
to learn to play?
304
00:19:34,004 --> 00:19:35,546
It was about --
305
00:19:36,798 --> 00:19:38,092
Now give him a chance, please.
306
00:19:38,092 --> 00:19:39,509
You can ask these questions,
everybody sends
307
00:19:39,509 --> 00:19:41,094
somebody else up.
No one wants to say anything.
308
00:19:41,095 --> 00:19:44,306
I just messed about
with a guitar at home.
309
00:19:44,306 --> 00:19:47,602
About three years ago.
Three and a half years ago.
310
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And eventually formed a group
311
00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:52,941
and I had to play bass 'cause
nobody else did, did they?
312
00:19:53,942 --> 00:19:55,193
- And then I --
- Why do you play bass?
313
00:19:55,193 --> 00:19:56,403
Nobody else did.
314
00:19:56,403 --> 00:19:57,779
Yeah, because
there's more guitarists
315
00:19:57,779 --> 00:19:59,781
and less bass players.
316
00:19:59,781 --> 00:20:03,118
I went to my sister's house
for the weekend
317
00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:05,246
and we went to a dance.
318
00:20:05,247 --> 00:20:06,706
And I heard the bass.
319
00:20:09,625 --> 00:20:12,463
I heard the real bass guitar
for the first time.
320
00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:18,385
The low sound just filled you
up right down there, you know
321
00:20:18,386 --> 00:20:20,637
when everybody else
was playing up high.
322
00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:21,932
And I thought,
"God, that's what's missing
323
00:20:22,932 --> 00:20:24,311
in the Cliftons."
324
00:20:27,312 --> 00:20:29,397
And I asked them all. I said,
"Steve, you wanna play bass?"
325
00:20:29,397 --> 00:20:32,818
"No." "Cliff, do you
wanna play bass?" "No."
326
00:20:32,818 --> 00:20:35,076
Fucking hell, I suppose
I better do it then.
327
00:20:41,077 --> 00:20:42,369
He didn't have a bass guitar
328
00:20:42,369 --> 00:20:43,996
because he couldn't afford
to buy one.
329
00:20:43,996 --> 00:20:47,042
What he did was detune
two or three of the top strings
330
00:20:47,042 --> 00:20:49,168
of an ordinary six-string
and he made..
331
00:20:49,168 --> 00:20:51,045
What he made of it
was brilliant, you know.
332
00:20:51,046 --> 00:20:52,756
And I think we may have
all clubbed together
333
00:20:52,756 --> 00:20:55,008
to buy the bass guitar.
334
00:20:55,008 --> 00:20:57,677
We bought it and it was
the most ugly, horrible thing.
335
00:20:57,677 --> 00:21:01,474
I turned this bass over,
got some chalk
336
00:21:01,474 --> 00:21:03,350
and redrew the body.
337
00:21:03,351 --> 00:21:05,187
And I went down the road
to my friend
338
00:21:05,187 --> 00:21:07,022
who had a fret work machine.
339
00:21:07,022 --> 00:21:08,357
I said, "I want you
to cut all this out."
340
00:21:08,357 --> 00:21:09,983
He went, "Are you serious?"
341
00:21:09,983 --> 00:21:11,651
I said "Yes, cut it out."
342
00:21:13,277 --> 00:21:15,530
Took it home,
put all new electrics in it.
343
00:21:17,449 --> 00:21:20,495
I put another pickup in,
a Baldwin pickup.
344
00:21:20,495 --> 00:21:23,997
Stripped it all down,
took all the frets out.
345
00:21:23,997 --> 00:21:27,459
Then I had to buy new strings,
these framer strings
346
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,006
which were really
springy and soft.
347
00:21:31,006 --> 00:21:33,007
And I bought this amplifier.
348
00:21:33,007 --> 00:21:34,551
The fucking thing,
every time I touched it
349
00:21:34,551 --> 00:21:36,010
I'd get electrocuted
350
00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:37,554
because it didn't have
an earth or anything.
351
00:21:37,555 --> 00:21:38,765
I'd just go, "Ah!"
352
00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,393
I bought
an 18-inch Goodman speaker
353
00:21:41,393 --> 00:21:43,185
the biggest speaker there was.
354
00:21:43,185 --> 00:21:46,815
And when I played this bass,
Jesus, the sound.
355
00:21:49,567 --> 00:21:51,612
I mean, it was amazing.
356
00:21:51,612 --> 00:21:54,160
Without knowing it,
I invented the fretless bass.
357
00:22:08,171 --> 00:22:11,799
I heard "Green Onions"
by Booker T & the MG's.
358
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,720
♪ Boom doom pa doom doom ♪
359
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,263
♪ Doom doom pa doom
pa doom doom ♪♪
360
00:22:16,263 --> 00:22:18,182
And I thought,
"That bass is great."
361
00:22:18,182 --> 00:22:19,642
And I started to focus
362
00:22:19,642 --> 00:22:23,479
on trying to play bass
like Duck Dunn.
363
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,816
That's who I learned
my basics from.
364
00:22:25,816 --> 00:22:28,234
The way to play,
to leave space
365
00:22:28,234 --> 00:22:30,236
don't be busy,
don't fill it up.
366
00:22:30,236 --> 00:22:31,614
You're not a fucking
lead guitarist
367
00:22:31,614 --> 00:22:33,072
you're a bass player.
368
00:22:33,072 --> 00:22:35,117
Focus on what
the drummer's doin'
369
00:22:35,118 --> 00:22:38,120
and play exactly
with the drums
370
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,748
so that you've got
a strong foundation there
371
00:22:40,748 --> 00:22:44,002
that's solid, that everybody
else can build upon.
372
00:22:44,002 --> 00:22:48,756
♪ Can you handle it?
Handle it ♪
373
00:22:48,757 --> 00:22:51,052
♪ Can you handle it ♪♪
374
00:22:55,139 --> 00:22:58,351
I'd done gigs
with some of the lesser-known
375
00:22:58,352 --> 00:23:00,019
musicians of the time.
376
00:23:00,019 --> 00:23:01,521
I did have a bit of
experience like that
377
00:23:01,521 --> 00:23:04,524
but it was all rock and roll.
378
00:23:04,524 --> 00:23:06,485
The stuff that we were
all listening to
379
00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:09,321
they weren't many bass players
on any of those records.
380
00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:11,238
And I remember seeing
Bill playing and thinking
381
00:23:11,239 --> 00:23:14,369
"What, a bass player?"
And he looked like a Teddy Boy.
382
00:23:14,369 --> 00:23:16,286
I thought,
"Where's he come from?"
383
00:23:16,286 --> 00:23:18,331
You know, his bass playing
was fantastic.
384
00:23:18,331 --> 00:23:20,374
Really unique.
385
00:23:20,374 --> 00:23:23,378
Forming the Cliftons
was a breath of fresh air.
386
00:23:23,379 --> 00:23:26,632
I'd fallen in love
with playing music.
387
00:23:26,632 --> 00:23:28,842
We were doing all these gigs
and working hard
388
00:23:28,842 --> 00:23:32,470
but the trouble was
those shite promoters.
389
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:35,181
They owed us so much money,
they just wouldn't pay us.
390
00:23:35,182 --> 00:23:38,560
And so the bottom started
to fall out of the band.
391
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,522
Tony Chapman answered an ad
392
00:23:41,522 --> 00:23:43,819
for a drummer
with an R&B band.
393
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:50,115
That night we went back
to Mick's parents' house
394
00:23:50,115 --> 00:23:52,201
and they played Jimmy Reid
and various things
395
00:23:52,201 --> 00:23:53,493
that I'd never heard.
396
00:23:53,493 --> 00:23:53,953
I think they quite liked
the way I played
397
00:23:54,953 --> 00:23:56,204
because I could play
the shuffle beat
398
00:23:56,205 --> 00:23:57,749
which most people couldn't.
399
00:23:57,749 --> 00:24:00,376
And then that's how I got to
play with the Stones, really.
400
00:24:00,376 --> 00:24:02,921
Tony came to me and said,
"Bass player's left.
401
00:24:02,921 --> 00:24:05,760
Do you wanna come up
to rehearsal on Friday?"
402
00:24:08,761 --> 00:24:12,223
So I went up with him
and I had my big bass cabinet
403
00:24:12,223 --> 00:24:14,725
in the boot of his car
stickin' out.
404
00:24:14,725 --> 00:24:16,894
I took my homemade bass
405
00:24:16,894 --> 00:24:19,899
and I went to the
Weatherby Arms in Chelsea.
406
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:25,612
I went in, and there they were,
Ian Stewart.
407
00:24:25,612 --> 00:24:27,697
He was nice
when I went in there.
408
00:24:28,866 --> 00:24:31,702
Mick was fairly sociable.
409
00:24:33,705 --> 00:24:35,665
And Brian and Keith
just didn't speak to me.
410
00:24:35,665 --> 00:24:38,253
They were up at the bar,
and they were really beatnik-y.
411
00:24:40,253 --> 00:24:41,754
I bought them all
a round of drinks
412
00:24:41,754 --> 00:24:43,214
and then they got
a bit more friendly
413
00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:45,217
and -- and passed
the cigarettes round.
414
00:24:45,217 --> 00:24:47,178
So, then they were sociable,
you know.
415
00:24:47,178 --> 00:24:49,347
They didn't have any money
or anything.
416
00:24:49,347 --> 00:24:51,056
They asked me
what music I liked
417
00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:53,642
and what music I played.
418
00:24:53,642 --> 00:24:57,354
So I said, "Well, Chuck Berry,"
and they went, "Great."
419
00:24:57,355 --> 00:24:59,399
"Jerry Lee Lewis." "No!"
420
00:24:59,399 --> 00:25:01,692
"Eddie Cochrane." "No!"
421
00:25:01,692 --> 00:25:04,487
All the rock and rollers,
they didn't like any of them.
422
00:25:04,487 --> 00:25:07,407
They said, "We're a blues band,
we're not a rock and roll band.
423
00:25:07,408 --> 00:25:08,618
We don't play that shit."
424
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:14,873
They'd already spoken
to Charlie Watts
425
00:25:14,873 --> 00:25:18,795
so they fired Tony,
and Charlie said he'd join.
426
00:25:18,796 --> 00:25:21,464
I kind of slotted in alright.
427
00:25:21,464 --> 00:25:23,092
♪ I said yeah ♪
428
00:25:23,092 --> 00:25:26,135
♪ Yeah yeah yeah Mona ♪
429
00:25:26,135 --> 00:25:30,516
♪ Oh Mona ♪
430
00:25:30,517 --> 00:25:30,977
♪ I tell ya Mona
what I wanna do ♪♪
431
00:25:31,977 --> 00:25:33,478
I was a bit
of a rock and roller
432
00:25:33,478 --> 00:25:35,313
more than anything else
433
00:25:35,313 --> 00:25:39,150
and found that they were
playing pure blues.
434
00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:41,027
♪ Man ♪
435
00:25:41,028 --> 00:25:43,823
I mean,
really slow, slow blues.
436
00:25:43,823 --> 00:25:46,992
♪ You know I didn't enjoy
things that kings and queens ♪♪
437
00:25:46,992 --> 00:25:48,868
You couldn't buy
a bloody blues record
438
00:25:48,868 --> 00:25:50,453
to save your life
in those days.
439
00:25:50,453 --> 00:25:53,624
It was unheard of in England.
440
00:25:53,625 --> 00:25:55,626
I remember saying to them
at that rehearsal
441
00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:58,713
I said, "We can't play 12-bar
blues all fucking night."
442
00:25:58,713 --> 00:26:00,507
Which I was totally wrong about
443
00:26:00,507 --> 00:26:03,013
because we ended up
doing exactly that.
444
00:26:07,014 --> 00:26:08,765
Within two months,
we were brilliant
445
00:26:08,765 --> 00:26:10,600
and sounded fantastic.
446
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,397
And in 1963,
we played about 340 shows.
447
00:26:15,398 --> 00:26:18,359
We traveled everywhere
in Stu's van.
448
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,404
He was a fantastic
blues piano player
449
00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:24,407
and he looked after us
on the road for 22 years.
450
00:26:24,407 --> 00:26:26,329
He was like
the sixth Stone, really.
451
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:30,206
Stu would turn around and say
452
00:26:30,206 --> 00:26:33,459
"Okay, you three-chord wonders,
you're on."
453
00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:35,714
♪ Let's go fishin'
in the crawdad hole ♪
454
00:26:37,714 --> 00:26:39,717
♪ One two three four
five and nine ♪
455
00:26:41,718 --> 00:26:43,178
I couldn't survive working
456
00:26:43,178 --> 00:26:45,640
because we started to get gigs
out of London.
457
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,893
♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪
458
00:26:49,893 --> 00:26:52,605
♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪
459
00:26:53,606 --> 00:26:56,070
♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪
460
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:59,949
♪ Hey crawdaddy ♪♪
461
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:04,201
I told my parents and friends
462
00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:07,497
that I was gonna give up work
and go professional.
463
00:27:07,497 --> 00:27:09,332
Every single person I knew said
464
00:27:09,332 --> 00:27:12,168
"Don't do it.
Don't take the risk."
465
00:27:12,168 --> 00:27:15,258
And I thought,
"Fuck it, I'm gonna do it."
466
00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:22,136
Top British
rhythm and blues group
467
00:27:22,136 --> 00:27:25,431
and the best new group,
the Rolling Stones.
468
00:27:26,893 --> 00:27:28,019
I didn't think of it
469
00:27:28,019 --> 00:27:30,480
as progressin' anywhere
really big.
470
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,400
It was the most excitin' thing
in my life.
471
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,944
The sound we had,
no one compared
472
00:27:36,945 --> 00:27:38,452
with that sound in those days,
no one.
473
00:27:43,452 --> 00:27:45,538
I started to collect
the little bits and pieces
474
00:27:45,538 --> 00:27:45,955
as we traveled.
475
00:27:46,955 --> 00:27:50,126
If I was very lucky,
I grabbed a little poster
476
00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,673
and someone would give me
a photo they had taken.
477
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:59,307
And it just slowly escalated
into this mountain.
478
00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,475
You know, it is all
a bit of a haze to me.
479
00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,437
I mean, if I wanna know what
I did for certain in those years
480
00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:10,732
I have to ask Bill Wyman,
you know.
481
00:28:10,732 --> 00:28:13,734
- Who keeps the archives.
- Yeah.
482
00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:18,490
Bill was the first guy
to have a computer.
483
00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:21,368
He'd have his videos
and they'd be all stacked up.
484
00:28:21,368 --> 00:28:23,039
I bet he's probably got them
even now.
485
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,004
He had movie cameras
before everybody.
486
00:28:31,004 --> 00:28:33,631
I took reels of film.
487
00:28:33,631 --> 00:28:36,815
Twenty years of home movies
on the road.
488
00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:56,155
The biggest ambition we had
was to play in a club
489
00:28:56,155 --> 00:28:58,824
and have people like
what we were playin'.
490
00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:01,912
We never dreamed
about making a record.
491
00:29:01,912 --> 00:29:04,207
It never crossed our minds
that we would ever
492
00:29:04,207 --> 00:29:06,459
be on TV or radio.
493
00:29:06,459 --> 00:29:10,046
Pie in the sky to think
we might go abroad sometime
494
00:29:10,047 --> 00:29:13,634
because we were playin'
uncommercial music.
495
00:29:14,634 --> 00:29:16,345
We were playin' pure blues
496
00:29:16,345 --> 00:29:19,222
and the only place we could
play it was in jazz clubs.
497
00:29:19,222 --> 00:29:22,060
Suddenly, we got a followin'
and it blossomed from there.
498
00:29:24,061 --> 00:29:27,147
Glyn Johns, who was
in that band, The Presidents
499
00:29:27,147 --> 00:29:30,902
said to us,
"I work at IBC Record Studios.
500
00:29:30,902 --> 00:29:33,654
I can get you three hours
recording time."
501
00:29:33,655 --> 00:29:36,828
We went, "What?
Make a record?"
502
00:29:38,828 --> 00:29:40,245
I'd seen the Rolling Stones
503
00:29:40,245 --> 00:29:41,747
and I thought
they were really good
504
00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:42,873
and I thought,
"There's definitely
505
00:29:42,873 --> 00:29:44,250
a commercial opportunity here."
506
00:29:44,251 --> 00:29:46,168
So I approached
the studio owners and said
507
00:29:46,168 --> 00:29:48,714
"Can I bring these people in
and see what we can do?"
508
00:29:48,714 --> 00:29:50,339
And they said, "Yes,
on the condition that you have
509
00:29:50,339 --> 00:29:51,925
"absolutely nothing to do
with getting the deal.
510
00:29:51,925 --> 00:29:53,592
We'll do the business."
511
00:30:02,561 --> 00:30:04,062
I took the Stones in
512
00:30:04,062 --> 00:30:06,189
and that was their first
recording session.
513
00:30:06,189 --> 00:30:09,444
We cut four things, I think.
Bill and I argue about this.
514
00:30:09,445 --> 00:30:11,946
I thought it was only three,
but he says it was five.
515
00:30:11,946 --> 00:30:13,448
He's probably right
516
00:30:13,448 --> 00:30:15,453
because he's got it
all written down somewhere.
517
00:30:17,453 --> 00:30:19,455
We went
and we cut five tracks.
518
00:30:19,456 --> 00:30:22,042
The guy who owned the place,
Harold Clewson
519
00:30:22,042 --> 00:30:24,919
took them around
to Decca and EMI and Pi
520
00:30:24,919 --> 00:30:26,420
and nobody liked them.
521
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:29,759
And we thought that was the end
of our recording careers.
522
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,304
It started to happen
when Andrew Oldham signed us.
523
00:30:34,304 --> 00:30:34,973
I'm proud of most things I did.
524
00:30:35,973 --> 00:30:37,641
Just, whether the proudness
remains
525
00:30:37,641 --> 00:30:39,352
is whether they happen
or they don't happen.
526
00:30:39,352 --> 00:30:41,562
Um, the biggest thing
naturally is the Rolling Stones.
527
00:30:41,562 --> 00:30:44,481
Andrew said he saw the sex
emanatin' from us
528
00:30:44,482 --> 00:30:45,901
and, you know,
and all this sort of bullshit
529
00:30:45,901 --> 00:30:48,487
the way Andrew talks,
which was fantastic
530
00:30:48,487 --> 00:30:50,324
'cause he was a genius.
531
00:30:52,324 --> 00:30:54,450
Bill, I didn't pay
much attention to
532
00:30:54,451 --> 00:30:56,162
and he knows that.
533
00:30:56,162 --> 00:30:59,207
Because of being
deeply superficial
534
00:30:59,207 --> 00:31:02,460
I judged books by their cover
535
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:05,254
and he seemed to be
much more of a Duane Eddy
536
00:31:05,255 --> 00:31:07,883
Johnny and the Hurricanes
type of guy to me
537
00:31:07,883 --> 00:31:10,051
than a, than a Bo Diddley guy.
538
00:31:10,051 --> 00:31:13,430
Bill might have had moments
where he thought
539
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:16,808
not that his life was over,
but his life was set.
540
00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:18,440
And then along came
the Rolling Stones.
541
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,818
The phone rings
and it's Andrew Oldham saying
542
00:31:24,818 --> 00:31:27,194
"Can I speak to Terry O'Neill?"
So I speak to him.
543
00:31:27,194 --> 00:31:29,071
He said,
"Can you do what you did
544
00:31:29,072 --> 00:31:29,992
for the Beatles
for the Stones?"
545
00:31:30,992 --> 00:31:32,367
I said,
"Well, I'll give it a try."
546
00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:34,494
And that's when
I first met Bill.
547
00:31:34,494 --> 00:31:36,955
I took the pictures back,
and the picture editor said
548
00:31:36,955 --> 00:31:40,251
"God, they look like
five prehistoric monsters."
549
00:31:40,252 --> 00:31:42,378
It was a mania
with the Beatles
550
00:31:42,378 --> 00:31:45,048
whereas with the Stones,
it was an appreciation.
551
00:31:45,048 --> 00:31:46,926
It became a cult.
552
00:32:32,932 --> 00:32:36,645
Alright then, this is
the Rolling Stones interview
553
00:32:36,645 --> 00:32:39,148
for the fan club,
December, Christmastime.
554
00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:41,026
Mick, Bill and Charlie.
555
00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:44,153
When did you first get mobbed?
Do you remember that word?
556
00:32:44,153 --> 00:32:46,948
- Yeah.
- Well, that's a good question.
557
00:32:46,948 --> 00:32:48,533
I don't remember, you know.
558
00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:48,992
It was like something,
I remember --
559
00:32:49,993 --> 00:32:52,579
- I do.
- Oh, well, Bill, okay, go on.
560
00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:55,290
He remembers everything.
I'm trying --
561
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:57,460
We, the first time
we got mobbed..
562
00:32:57,460 --> 00:32:59,961
- Go on, where was it?
- This doesn't happen anymore.
563
00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:01,422
It was about a third of the way
564
00:33:01,423 --> 00:33:04,093
through
the Everly Brothers tour.
565
00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:05,677
- Really?
- Up in the north.
566
00:33:05,677 --> 00:33:07,136
It was either
in Manchester or Liverpool
567
00:33:07,136 --> 00:33:08,971
one of those places.
568
00:33:08,971 --> 00:33:11,017
Um, where we were actually
attacked for the first time
569
00:33:12,017 --> 00:33:14,144
when we tried to get out
of the theater.
570
00:33:15,814 --> 00:33:17,691
Okay, here we go.
571
00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:19,943
And now I'd like
to introduce to you
572
00:33:19,943 --> 00:33:22,820
the fabulous Rolling Stones.
573
00:33:25,532 --> 00:33:28,452
We'd go on stage
and go jan-ta-jan
574
00:33:28,452 --> 00:33:29,662
and the whole crowd
would pour on stage
575
00:33:29,662 --> 00:33:31,454
and that was the end
of the show.
576
00:33:31,454 --> 00:33:34,082
Two chords, end of the show.
577
00:33:34,082 --> 00:33:37,293
And if we got through three
songs, it was, like, amazing.
578
00:33:45,678 --> 00:33:47,888
Sometimes they put police dogs
on each end of the stage
579
00:33:47,889 --> 00:33:50,435
to stop the kids getting on.
The police dogs went nuts.
580
00:33:57,524 --> 00:34:00,320
The only way you could get out
of the theater in time
581
00:34:00,321 --> 00:34:03,489
when you played the last chord
of the last song
582
00:34:03,489 --> 00:34:06,118
the curtains closed
and they had to play
583
00:34:06,118 --> 00:34:07,368
"God Save The Queen."
584
00:34:13,334 --> 00:34:16,296
And the audience had to stand
there for those two minutes.
585
00:34:16,296 --> 00:34:20,258
And that was the two minutes
we had to get off the stage
586
00:34:20,258 --> 00:34:22,510
down the corridors,
out of the building
587
00:34:22,511 --> 00:34:24,721
into the police van
or whatever it was
588
00:34:24,721 --> 00:34:27,016
the Black Mariah
or the ambulance
589
00:34:28,016 --> 00:34:30,268
or the newspaper van
we were using
590
00:34:30,268 --> 00:34:33,064
to be inconspicuous.
591
00:34:33,064 --> 00:34:34,736
And gone.
592
00:34:39,737 --> 00:34:41,322
Sometimes we didn't get out
in time
593
00:34:41,322 --> 00:34:43,414
and then we just got mashed.
594
00:34:49,415 --> 00:34:52,250
And then we went abroad,
fucking hell.
595
00:34:56,171 --> 00:34:59,180
Please fasten your seatbelts
and do not smoke.
596
00:35:05,181 --> 00:35:08,768
♪ Everywhere I hear the sound ♪
597
00:35:08,769 --> 00:35:14,316
♪ Of marching
charging feet boy ♪
598
00:35:14,316 --> 00:35:18,196
♪ 'Cause summer's here
and the time is right ♪
599
00:35:18,196 --> 00:35:23,785
♪ For fighting
in the street boy ♪
600
00:35:23,786 --> 00:35:27,873
♪ Well now what can
a poor boy do ♪
601
00:35:27,873 --> 00:35:31,627
♪ Except to sing
for a rock and roll band? ♪
602
00:35:31,627 --> 00:35:34,587
♪ 'Cause
in sleepy London town ♪
603
00:35:34,588 --> 00:35:40,182
♪ There's just no place
for a street fighting man ♪♪
604
00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:46,435
You talk about being worn out
605
00:35:46,435 --> 00:35:47,978
but you've never been
as worn out
606
00:35:47,978 --> 00:35:50,480
as we were the other week.
607
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,107
On Wednesday, the 15th
608
00:35:52,107 --> 00:35:54,527
we left Munich
and flew to West Berlin
609
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:57,406
and that's where
the story really starts.
610
00:35:58,407 --> 00:35:59,867
We arrived at the airport.
611
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:01,994
They said we'll hold
a press conference.
612
00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,912
We got in,
started the press conference.
613
00:36:03,912 --> 00:36:05,414
We were there five minutes,
and the kids
614
00:36:05,414 --> 00:36:07,166
are breaking the doors down
and everything
615
00:36:07,167 --> 00:36:09,335
and the police kept
bringing reinforcements in
616
00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:11,797
to hold the doors
and everything at each end.
617
00:36:12,797 --> 00:36:14,841
The chief of police
came over and he said
618
00:36:14,841 --> 00:36:16,968
"We can't hold 'em any longer.
You'll have to go."
619
00:36:16,968 --> 00:36:20,179
So we had to run out and fight
our way through to the bus
620
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,932
and then the bus had to fight
its way through the crowd.
621
00:36:22,932 --> 00:36:26,644
And away we went with an escort
of about six police cars
622
00:36:26,644 --> 00:36:30,025
and about twenty helmeted
and armed police on motorbikes.
623
00:36:31,026 --> 00:36:32,027
Unbelievable, you know.
624
00:36:33,027 --> 00:36:35,154
I never had my movie camera
with me.
625
00:36:35,154 --> 00:36:37,239
I'm so annoyed
that I missed it, you know.
626
00:36:40,576 --> 00:36:43,330
♪ Well if you ever plan ♪
627
00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:44,956
We were over the moon to hear
628
00:36:44,956 --> 00:36:46,501
that we were gonna go
to America.
629
00:36:46,501 --> 00:36:48,210
♪ Just take my way ♪
630
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:51,465
♪ That's the highway
that's the best ♪
631
00:36:52,465 --> 00:36:56,177
♪ Get your kicks on Route 66 ♪
632
00:36:56,178 --> 00:36:58,763
The Beatles,
they made it in America.
633
00:36:58,763 --> 00:37:01,975
The Rolling Stones
were made by America.
634
00:37:01,975 --> 00:37:05,269
One started to be able to watch
with all of them
635
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:07,648
some magical development
636
00:37:07,648 --> 00:37:10,317
as they were able to record
637
00:37:10,317 --> 00:37:12,904
with their feet
touching the land
638
00:37:12,904 --> 00:37:14,074
that created their passion.
639
00:37:16,074 --> 00:37:18,492
You had to break every town
and every state.
640
00:37:18,493 --> 00:37:20,412
You were right
in the middle of it.
641
00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,997
♪ Oklahoma City looks
oh so pretty ♪
642
00:37:22,997 --> 00:37:25,086
♪ You'll see Amarillo ♪♪
643
00:37:27,086 --> 00:37:28,046
Let's run one down.
644
00:37:30,047 --> 00:37:32,259
Rolling master A.
Master A, take one.
645
00:37:34,677 --> 00:37:37,264
Going to Chess
was like a pilgrimage.
646
00:37:37,264 --> 00:37:41,935
We knew that that's where
most of our idols recorded.
647
00:37:41,936 --> 00:37:44,274
Bo Diddley,
Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf.
648
00:37:47,274 --> 00:37:49,485
We hoped we could get
the right sound
649
00:37:49,485 --> 00:37:51,778
that we weren't being able
to get in the UK.
650
00:37:51,779 --> 00:37:52,033
And we did.
651
00:37:55,033 --> 00:37:57,036
We played
their blues music brilliantly
652
00:37:58,036 --> 00:38:00,337
and that's what shocked them.
653
00:38:07,338 --> 00:38:10,427
- What's your ambition now?
- To be a musician.
654
00:38:13,427 --> 00:38:15,764
I'm not -- I'm not a musician.
I just play in a band, you know.
655
00:38:15,765 --> 00:38:17,060
♪ Well I'm a king bee ♪
656
00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:20,435
♪ Buzzing around ♪
657
00:38:20,435 --> 00:38:21,479
There was something about
658
00:38:21,479 --> 00:38:23,230
Bill's bass lines
in the Stones.
659
00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:25,857
It was the first thing
you'd hear
660
00:38:25,858 --> 00:38:28,152
the thing
that was most hooky about it.
661
00:38:28,152 --> 00:38:32,074
It was so precise
and so contained, you know.
662
00:38:32,074 --> 00:38:33,034
It wasn't gettin' away
with itself.
663
00:38:34,034 --> 00:38:35,911
It was just right.
664
00:38:35,911 --> 00:38:38,288
The best informed
are the best players
665
00:38:38,289 --> 00:38:40,749
and I think
Bill's one of those.
666
00:38:40,749 --> 00:38:42,209
It's never been pop.
667
00:38:42,209 --> 00:38:43,586
It's been rock and roll
668
00:38:43,586 --> 00:38:45,504
but it's been informed by blues
669
00:38:45,504 --> 00:38:49,258
which is
the magical combination.
670
00:38:49,259 --> 00:38:52,637
Bill is like no other
bass player I've ever heard.
671
00:38:52,637 --> 00:38:55,516
He has an incredibly simplistic
approach to what he's doing.
672
00:38:55,516 --> 00:38:58,268
And I think that's just
Bill's complete lack of ego
673
00:38:58,268 --> 00:38:59,520
as a musician, really.
674
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,396
It's very often
not what you play
675
00:39:01,397 --> 00:39:03,358
but what you don't play,
what you leave out
676
00:39:03,358 --> 00:39:05,026
that makes a distinction
as to your abilities, really.
677
00:39:06,026 --> 00:39:08,613
♪ We can make honey ♪
678
00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:11,740
♪ The world has never seen ♪
679
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:14,577
There were a lot of these
really technically brilliant
680
00:39:14,578 --> 00:39:18,915
bass players that can play me
off the stage any time.
681
00:39:18,915 --> 00:39:21,918
To me, they just sound like
lead guitar players.
682
00:39:21,918 --> 00:39:25,882
So busy that there doesn't seem
much room for anybody else.
683
00:39:27,883 --> 00:39:29,553
♪ Sting-a-been ♪♪
684
00:39:41,357 --> 00:39:44,484
The key for me
is Bill and Charlie together.
685
00:39:44,484 --> 00:39:47,071
When they play together,
it's extraordinary.
686
00:39:47,072 --> 00:39:49,575
The power of the two of them
is greater than the four.
687
00:39:49,575 --> 00:39:52,037
Just that magic chemical
combination of feel.
688
00:39:53,037 --> 00:39:55,622
♪ I just wanna
make love to you ♪♪
689
00:39:55,622 --> 00:39:59,418
Really easy guy.
And a really good bass player.
690
00:39:59,419 --> 00:40:01,921
Very, very unassuming
bass player.
691
00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:04,089
And some of the records
that we made
692
00:40:04,089 --> 00:40:06,843
he's quite brilliant on.
693
00:40:06,843 --> 00:40:09,094
Fortunately, the pair of us
694
00:40:09,094 --> 00:40:11,850
made a living
out of doing it together.
695
00:40:13,851 --> 00:40:16,186
We were always referred
to as the straightest
696
00:40:16,186 --> 00:40:18,950
rhythm section
in rock and roll.
697
00:40:33,998 --> 00:40:35,625
Bill, how did this,
uh, come about?
698
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:38,628
This, uh, with writing
miserable articles
699
00:40:38,628 --> 00:40:41,255
about the Stones?
Did this originate in Europe?
700
00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:44,132
It started when we started
in England, you know
701
00:40:44,132 --> 00:40:46,760
but, um, by now in England
702
00:40:46,761 --> 00:40:48,930
everybody knows
what we really are like
703
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,232
so they don't write things
that are untrue, you know.
704
00:40:59,233 --> 00:41:01,694
The Beatles are loved
by pretty well everybody
705
00:41:01,694 --> 00:41:04,154
from the moms
down to the teenagers.
706
00:41:04,154 --> 00:41:07,659
It seems to me that
you're either loved or hated.
707
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:11,914
Everything we did
was so alien to the norm.
708
00:41:11,914 --> 00:41:13,832
They just did not get it.
709
00:41:13,832 --> 00:41:17,503
Why we didn't succumb
to being showbiz-y.
710
00:41:17,503 --> 00:41:19,504
All the other bands
would succumb to doing
711
00:41:19,504 --> 00:41:22,006
what they're told
just for that bit of publicity.
712
00:41:22,007 --> 00:41:24,848
We didn't need it, we avoided
publicity in the end.
713
00:41:27,848 --> 00:41:30,391
It was us against the world.
It really was.
714
00:41:30,391 --> 00:41:32,938
We were just refusing
to conform.
715
00:41:35,939 --> 00:41:38,276
If a kid wants
to let his hair grow long
716
00:41:38,276 --> 00:41:41,320
or he wants to wear rags,
or he wants to play a guitar
717
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,655
or do anything,
or kick a ball in the street
718
00:41:42,655 --> 00:41:43,905
it's nothing to do with us.
719
00:41:43,906 --> 00:41:45,701
If he likes to listen
to our music, that's great
720
00:41:45,701 --> 00:41:47,911
if he wants to come
to a concert.
721
00:41:47,911 --> 00:41:49,538
But apart from that,
we didn't believe
722
00:41:49,538 --> 00:41:51,549
we had any responsibility.
723
00:42:00,550 --> 00:42:03,302
I always thought he didn't
like me being in the Stones
724
00:42:03,302 --> 00:42:05,429
'cause he never
said anything nice.
725
00:42:05,429 --> 00:42:07,391
He was always moaning about it.
726
00:42:09,392 --> 00:42:11,562
I just don't think
that generation could get
727
00:42:11,562 --> 00:42:15,232
into their head that
their kids could be successful
728
00:42:15,232 --> 00:42:18,779
in something
that wasn't a normal job.
729
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:23,157
So when I succeeded
playing music
730
00:42:23,157 --> 00:42:25,869
a -- and doing better than them
731
00:42:25,869 --> 00:42:27,289
it was out of order,
wasn't it?
732
00:42:29,289 --> 00:42:32,083
But my mom did tell me
733
00:42:32,084 --> 00:42:33,586
on a couple of occasions
734
00:42:33,586 --> 00:42:35,462
when t -- they were in the pub
735
00:42:35,462 --> 00:42:38,091
uh, when someone
was going on about
736
00:42:38,091 --> 00:42:41,260
"Stones, dirty lot,"
he would stick up for us.
737
00:42:41,261 --> 00:42:43,973
He'd tell them
to mind their own business.
738
00:42:44,973 --> 00:42:47,851
And so he did it
without my knowledge
739
00:42:47,851 --> 00:42:49,895
but he never did it to my face.
740
00:42:49,895 --> 00:42:51,148
But he wasn't
that kind of a person.
741
00:42:54,149 --> 00:42:56,236
I mean, looking back,
I don't blame him
742
00:42:56,236 --> 00:42:59,655
because he -- he had
a terrible childhood.
743
00:42:59,655 --> 00:43:01,626
A really terrible childhood.
744
00:43:12,627 --> 00:43:16,132
Everything was changin'
in those early '60s.
745
00:43:21,095 --> 00:43:23,932
♪ You're the kind of person
you meet at certain ♪
746
00:43:23,932 --> 00:43:26,184
♪ Dismal dull affairs ♪
747
00:43:26,184 --> 00:43:28,854
♪ Center of a crowd
talking much too loud ♪
748
00:43:28,855 --> 00:43:31,690
The music, art, fashion.
749
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:34,402
Suddenly,
girls were wearing miniskirts.
750
00:43:34,402 --> 00:43:36,319
It just went
right across the board.
751
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:39,323
♪ And though you try
you just can't hide ♪
752
00:43:39,324 --> 00:43:41,869
All the clubs
started to appear in London.
753
00:43:41,869 --> 00:43:44,787
You'd bump into the Beatles
or the Animals or the Hollies.
754
00:43:44,787 --> 00:43:46,497
Ah, they were just everywhere.
755
00:43:46,497 --> 00:43:47,999
You just moved
from one to the other
756
00:43:47,999 --> 00:43:49,836
and sometimes
you saw live acts.
757
00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:53,714
You'd go
and see Benny King somewhere
758
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,341
and then you'd see
Lee Dorsey somewhere else.
759
00:43:56,341 --> 00:43:59,678
I'm at the Scotch of St. James,
I met Otis Redding
760
00:43:59,678 --> 00:44:02,181
and talked to him
for about half an hour.
761
00:44:02,182 --> 00:44:04,976
You know, when you met
those people in those days
762
00:44:04,976 --> 00:44:07,480
they were like gods to me.
763
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,773
I think a lot of it
had to do with the music
764
00:44:09,773 --> 00:44:11,983
and then the birth pill
765
00:44:11,983 --> 00:44:13,818
all them British movies
766
00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:15,321
it was coming from everywhere.
767
00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:16,531
It was sort of a hurricane
768
00:44:16,531 --> 00:44:18,908
and we were coming
in the middle of it.
769
00:44:18,908 --> 00:44:21,368
♪ Your father's
still perfecting ways ♪
770
00:44:21,368 --> 00:44:23,830
♪ Of making sealing wax ♪
771
00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:25,258
♪ You better stop ♪♪
772
00:44:35,259 --> 00:44:36,886
Me and Brian used to go out
to the clubs
773
00:44:36,886 --> 00:44:38,933
and pick up girls.
774
00:44:41,934 --> 00:44:45,896
They used to camp outside
the hotel on the grass.
775
00:44:45,896 --> 00:44:48,189
You know, of course,
I jumped at it
776
00:44:48,189 --> 00:44:52,443
and it just became part
of my life after that.
777
00:44:52,444 --> 00:44:55,824
It became a habit just through
778
00:44:55,824 --> 00:44:59,494
honestly, loneliness
and just wanting affection.
779
00:44:59,494 --> 00:45:01,413
And these girls
were affectionate.
780
00:45:03,916 --> 00:45:06,126
There was probably
an addiction to sex
781
00:45:06,126 --> 00:45:08,461
because I wasn't addicted
to drugs
782
00:45:08,461 --> 00:45:10,724
and I wasn't addicted to wine.
783
00:45:19,725 --> 00:45:21,060
My first marriage,
it never worked.
784
00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:23,978
It was down
to the same old thing
785
00:45:23,979 --> 00:45:27,235
of marrying the girl
next door was the phrase.
786
00:45:29,235 --> 00:45:30,820
Getting married
got me out of the family.
787
00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:33,655
Of course, it did,
out of the home.
788
00:45:33,655 --> 00:45:36,409
It was hard
coming home to my wife
789
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:38,328
who obviously knew
what was going on.
790
00:45:38,328 --> 00:45:41,205
But then I found at one time,
she had a relationship going.
791
00:45:41,205 --> 00:45:43,625
I mean, obviously,
I don't blame her.
792
00:45:44,625 --> 00:45:47,462
And then you end up
with a child out of the blue
793
00:45:47,463 --> 00:45:49,965
and you just stay together
for the sake of the child
794
00:45:49,965 --> 00:45:52,885
which is always
the worst thing you can do.
795
00:45:52,885 --> 00:45:54,481
Until I finally got divorced.
796
00:46:05,482 --> 00:46:07,776
She insisted
that she would take Stephen
797
00:46:07,776 --> 00:46:11,158
to South Africa with her,
which really hurt me.
798
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,788
But then I thought, "Well,
it's better that he grows up
799
00:46:18,788 --> 00:46:22,375
with one parent
in a normal way of life."
800
00:46:22,376 --> 00:46:24,633
If it isn't with me,
then it has to be with her.
801
00:46:28,633 --> 00:46:30,176
I'll get Stephen to say
something to you.
802
00:46:30,176 --> 00:46:31,593
Just a minute.
803
00:46:31,593 --> 00:46:33,513
Come and say hello to Dave.
804
00:46:33,514 --> 00:46:35,973
Come and say hello to Dave.
805
00:46:35,973 --> 00:46:37,935
- Hello.
- Say hello, Dave.
806
00:46:37,935 --> 00:46:40,270
- Hello.
- Say how are you?
807
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:44,567
How are you?
I will see you soon. Bye-bye.
808
00:46:46,568 --> 00:46:49,698
He came back
in the summer of '68.
809
00:46:50,698 --> 00:46:53,367
And when I saw the state
he was in, I was shocked
810
00:46:53,367 --> 00:46:55,079
because he was complainin'
of toothache
811
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,374
he was thin,
he didn't look well at all.
812
00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:02,877
So I refused to return him
to South Africa.
813
00:47:02,877 --> 00:47:06,801
And then I had to fight for him
and a divorce.
814
00:47:08,802 --> 00:47:10,220
I went to the court
815
00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:13,934
and the judge gave me custody,
which was a miracle.
816
00:47:15,934 --> 00:47:18,782
And from that day on,
I brought Stephen up.
817
00:47:30,783 --> 00:47:32,326
I broke up from my wife.
818
00:47:32,327 --> 00:47:34,829
Astrid, my girlfriend,
moved in with me.
819
00:47:34,829 --> 00:47:36,925
I'd met her by then.
820
00:47:47,926 --> 00:47:50,221
We arrived at this gate
821
00:47:50,221 --> 00:47:53,850
and a gardener came
with a shotgun broken off
822
00:47:53,850 --> 00:47:55,685
and said, "What do you want?"
823
00:47:55,686 --> 00:47:57,563
And we said,
"Is this Gedding Hall?"
824
00:47:57,563 --> 00:47:59,355
And he said, "Yes."
825
00:47:59,355 --> 00:48:02,108
And I said, "We understand
that the place is goin' up
826
00:48:02,108 --> 00:48:03,070
for sale tomorrow.
Could we have a look?"
827
00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:05,737
And he said,
"Well, the owners are not here
828
00:48:05,738 --> 00:48:07,827
but I'll show you
'round the outside."
829
00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:13,955
And I saw this
unbelievable house
830
00:48:13,955 --> 00:48:16,459
which I just couldn't believe.
831
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:19,134
Oh, God,
it was extraordinary.
832
00:48:26,134 --> 00:48:29,137
The owner was Jeff Allen.
833
00:48:29,138 --> 00:48:31,934
He took me into the lounge
for a cup of tea
834
00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:36,729
and I saw a 10 by 8 photo
on the top of the TV
835
00:48:36,729 --> 00:48:40,108
of Ronnie,
Reggie and Charlie Kray
836
00:48:40,108 --> 00:48:42,820
saying "Love to Jeff
from the boys."
837
00:48:42,821 --> 00:48:44,822
"Uh, what's that, Mr. Allen?"
838
00:48:44,822 --> 00:48:46,533
He says,
"Oh, they -- they're the Krays.
839
00:48:46,533 --> 00:48:48,371
They're friends of mine.
They're nice lads."
840
00:48:51,371 --> 00:48:53,163
I found later
that he was a godfather
841
00:48:53,164 --> 00:48:56,209
and he would invest their money
in country houses and stuff
842
00:48:56,209 --> 00:48:58,838
but that's another story.
843
00:48:58,838 --> 00:49:00,673
I asked him how much he wanted
for the property
844
00:49:00,673 --> 00:49:03,300
and it was 45,000 pounds.
845
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,845
After being a top band
for five years
846
00:49:05,846 --> 00:49:07,179
we didn't have money.
847
00:49:07,179 --> 00:49:09,766
Money always seemed to vanish.
848
00:49:09,766 --> 00:49:12,018
Jeff, bless him, did a deal
849
00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:15,230
and let me have it
for a price I could afford.
850
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:17,022
He said, "I'll tell you what.
851
00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:19,943
"I admire you.
You're a self-made man like me.
852
00:49:19,943 --> 00:49:22,863
"I come from the east end of
London, you come from London.
853
00:49:22,863 --> 00:49:24,574
It's yours."
854
00:49:24,574 --> 00:49:25,782
It's a wonderful place.
855
00:49:25,782 --> 00:49:28,369
I mean, my soul is there,
I think.
856
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:30,375
I'm never happier
than when I'm there.
857
00:49:33,375 --> 00:49:35,960
So when the drug busts
were coming in '67
858
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,214
I was just reading it
in the press.
859
00:49:39,215 --> 00:49:41,509
Mr. Jagger
accused of allowing his home
860
00:49:41,509 --> 00:49:43,552
at West Wittering
to be used for the purpose
861
00:49:43,552 --> 00:49:47,222
of smoking cannabis resin,
better known as hashish.
862
00:49:47,222 --> 00:49:49,809
And after the three-minute
hearing, Jones came out
863
00:49:49,809 --> 00:49:52,353
through the back of the court
and drove away
864
00:49:52,354 --> 00:49:54,647
crouching down
on the rear seat of a car.
865
00:49:54,647 --> 00:49:56,816
I honestly didn't know whether
who was gonna be in jail
866
00:49:56,816 --> 00:49:59,444
what week and who was gonna be
in the studio.
867
00:49:59,444 --> 00:50:01,363
I didn't want anything
to do with drugs.
868
00:50:01,363 --> 00:50:03,740
I didn't confront it with them.
869
00:50:03,741 --> 00:50:06,744
I just ignored it,
stepped away from it
870
00:50:06,744 --> 00:50:09,081
and got stuck
into what I wanted to do.
871
00:50:10,081 --> 00:50:13,125
I was avoiding
facing their problem
872
00:50:13,125 --> 00:50:14,920
because it wasn't my problem.
873
00:50:14,921 --> 00:50:17,673
So I was living two lives,
really.
874
00:50:18,673 --> 00:50:21,718
Once, I had a puff
of some bloody joint they had.
875
00:50:21,718 --> 00:50:25,932
Apparently, it had
elephant tranquilizer in it.
876
00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:28,060
I went down this corridor
and there was someone coming
877
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:29,936
towards me
that I kind of vaguely knew
878
00:50:29,936 --> 00:50:31,938
so I stopped
and chatted to them
879
00:50:31,938 --> 00:50:34,942
for about 10 or 15 minutes.
880
00:50:34,942 --> 00:50:37,069
And then I looked up again
and it was me.
881
00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:38,822
I was looking in the mirror.
882
00:50:38,822 --> 00:50:40,912
And I thought,
"I don't fucking need this."
883
00:50:45,912 --> 00:50:48,206
I have to have my feet
on the ground.
884
00:50:48,207 --> 00:50:50,333
I can't go floatin' off.
885
00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:53,295
The emptiness underneath me
terrifies me.
886
00:50:53,295 --> 00:50:55,547
I've got a phobia about it.
887
00:50:55,547 --> 00:50:57,549
Most people think
there's something else
888
00:50:57,549 --> 00:51:00,719
on the other side of the street
which they're not experiencin'
889
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,307
and so they wanna go there
and try it out, don't they?
890
00:51:04,307 --> 00:51:06,309
So if you look at any band
891
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:09,896
and I mean any band
from the mid '60s
892
00:51:09,896 --> 00:51:12,566
you've got losses. Every band.
893
00:51:12,567 --> 00:51:15,569
Searching for something
that really ain't there.
894
00:51:15,569 --> 00:51:18,491
Brian was a typical example
of that.
895
00:51:20,491 --> 00:51:23,453
I was really sad
when Brian started
896
00:51:23,454 --> 00:51:25,873
to, uh, fall to bits basically.
897
00:51:26,873 --> 00:51:29,293
We'd be in LA
and we'd go out to the clubs
898
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:30,836
and he'd be on LSD.
899
00:51:30,836 --> 00:51:33,672
And he -- he'd be getting out
the limo and going
900
00:51:33,672 --> 00:51:35,507
"Oh, look, there's snakes
all over the ground."
901
00:51:35,508 --> 00:51:37,009
He'd be jumping about
all over the ground.
902
00:51:37,009 --> 00:51:40,053
Fucking hell, Brian. You know,
"The ceiling's on fire."
903
00:51:40,053 --> 00:51:42,265
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it certainly is, Brian.
904
00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:44,517
I just used to let him
get on with it, but, um
905
00:51:44,517 --> 00:51:46,859
he would go off
on those tangents a lot.
906
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,404
He was thrown out of the band
907
00:51:55,404 --> 00:51:58,056
and he died a month later.
908
00:52:23,059 --> 00:52:25,144
Charlie phoned me up.
909
00:52:25,144 --> 00:52:27,731
He just said, "Brian died."
910
00:52:27,731 --> 00:52:29,774
I couldn't believe it,
you know.
911
00:52:29,774 --> 00:52:32,986
The press was so bad
at the funeral.
912
00:52:32,987 --> 00:52:36,908
I mean, everybody's around
the grave, you know
913
00:52:36,908 --> 00:52:39,701
and they're -- they're putting
the coffin in and all that
914
00:52:39,701 --> 00:52:42,663
and the, the preacher's
reading -- reading out
915
00:52:42,663 --> 00:52:44,415
and, like, all his family
and relatives
916
00:52:44,416 --> 00:52:47,461
are all, like, tranquillized
and everything.
917
00:52:47,461 --> 00:52:48,878
Everybody's crying and upset.
918
00:52:48,878 --> 00:52:51,131
There's thousands
of fans everywhere.
919
00:52:51,131 --> 00:52:52,425
And there's kids
running up to you
920
00:52:52,425 --> 00:52:54,593
asking for autographs, you know.
921
00:52:54,593 --> 00:52:57,805
And, uh, there's press guys
with cameras everywhere
922
00:52:57,806 --> 00:53:00,100
like all leaning over you
and getting snaps in the..
923
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,477
Oh, man, it was really sick.
924
00:53:02,477 --> 00:53:07,149
There's...movies going
and all that, you know.
925
00:53:07,149 --> 00:53:08,277
There was no respect at all.
926
00:53:10,278 --> 00:53:14,077
And when he went,
it really sort of got me bad.
927
00:53:18,077 --> 00:53:20,463
Somebody a bit special.
928
00:53:28,464 --> 00:53:30,466
That planned Hyde Park concert
929
00:53:30,467 --> 00:53:33,302
ended up being a bit
of a memorial to Brian
930
00:53:33,302 --> 00:53:35,639
because of his death
two days earlier.
931
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,309
An English park
on a Saturday afternoon
932
00:53:39,309 --> 00:53:41,518
July 5, 1969.
933
00:53:41,518 --> 00:53:45,273
There must be 200,000 people
here, youngsters.
934
00:53:45,274 --> 00:53:46,901
In about another hour,
I should imagine
935
00:53:46,901 --> 00:53:49,361
there will be a quarter
of a million.
936
00:53:49,361 --> 00:53:52,082
And it was extraordinary
that day.
937
00:54:14,555 --> 00:54:16,182
Alright!
938
00:54:28,237 --> 00:54:32,031
♪ You know I'm yours
and I'm hers ♪
939
00:54:32,032 --> 00:54:36,041
♪ Somebody else's too ♪
940
00:54:40,042 --> 00:54:43,553
♪ You know I'm yours
and I'm hers ♪♪
941
00:54:51,553 --> 00:54:53,848
It was Mick Taylor's
first show with us.
942
00:54:53,849 --> 00:54:56,226
That must have been
a staggerin' thing for him.
943
00:54:56,226 --> 00:54:58,353
The first gig with a band
944
00:54:58,353 --> 00:55:02,065
and you're playin'
half a million people.
945
00:55:02,065 --> 00:55:04,775
From every direction
I looked at
946
00:55:04,776 --> 00:55:06,904
there were just heads
947
00:55:06,904 --> 00:55:09,531
and it was just like a carpet
of different colored hair.
948
00:55:09,531 --> 00:55:12,538
That's what
I could explain it as.
949
00:55:16,539 --> 00:55:18,458
The whole day was wonderful.
950
00:55:18,458 --> 00:55:22,628
There was no -- no violence,
no fights, no drugs, no..
951
00:55:22,628 --> 00:55:24,847
It just went like a dream.
952
00:55:31,848 --> 00:55:33,100
That autumn, we set off
on a tour of America
953
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,604
with Mick Taylor
and it was a wonderful tour.
954
00:55:38,605 --> 00:55:41,608
The future of the band
was looking very healthy
955
00:55:41,608 --> 00:55:43,027
and positive.
956
00:55:43,027 --> 00:55:45,612
You didn't have so much
of the screamin'
957
00:55:45,612 --> 00:55:48,741
or very little of it,
and people were listening.
958
00:55:49,742 --> 00:55:51,912
And then came Altamont.
959
00:55:51,912 --> 00:55:55,332
We wanted to repeat
Hyde Park in America
960
00:55:55,332 --> 00:55:58,001
as a thank you
to the US fans.
961
00:55:58,001 --> 00:55:59,961
Okay, it's definitely on.
962
00:55:59,961 --> 00:56:01,671
The Rolling Stones
are not going to appear
963
00:56:01,672 --> 00:56:04,382
at the, uh, raceway in Sonoma.
964
00:56:04,382 --> 00:56:06,844
They've decided now they're
going to hold the concert
965
00:56:06,844 --> 00:56:10,223
with the Grateful Dead,
the Jefferson Airplane, Santana
966
00:56:10,223 --> 00:56:13,141
and, of course, the Rolling
Stones at Altamont Speedway
967
00:56:13,142 --> 00:56:15,521
which is halfway between
Tracy and Livermore.
968
00:56:15,521 --> 00:56:17,238
What you do
is you catch Highway 80..
969
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,824
I don't really like
talking about Altamont
970
00:56:26,824 --> 00:56:30,661
'cause it was such
an awful, awful, awful event.
971
00:56:30,661 --> 00:56:32,830
The violence
just never stopped.
972
00:56:32,830 --> 00:56:35,500
And we kept trying to stop it,
and we knew if we just
973
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,252
walked off the stage,
it'd probably be worse.
974
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:39,838
So we hung on
and tried to cool people out
975
00:56:39,838 --> 00:56:41,555
and it didn't work.
976
00:56:48,556 --> 00:56:50,683
Four people in the audience,
uh, died
977
00:56:50,683 --> 00:56:53,185
one of them from stab wounds,
and the argument goes on
978
00:56:53,185 --> 00:56:55,647
about how and what
is to blame for that
979
00:56:55,647 --> 00:56:58,732
or how that could have been
prevented, I should say.
980
00:56:58,732 --> 00:57:00,986
Sometimes
things get out of control
981
00:57:00,987 --> 00:57:03,489
and you can't do
anything about it.
982
00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:06,659
It was the death of the '60s,
that's what they called it.
983
00:57:06,659 --> 00:57:09,911
The death of the '60s.
It was, really.
984
00:57:09,911 --> 00:57:13,708
It was the time when the Stones
could have just died
985
00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:15,261
and they nearly did.
986
00:57:31,603 --> 00:57:34,563
By 1970, we all owed
987
00:57:34,564 --> 00:57:37,901
around about 100,000 pounds
to the Inland Revenue
988
00:57:37,901 --> 00:57:39,903
which we thought had been paid.
989
00:57:39,903 --> 00:57:43,740
Tax with the labor government
was between 83 and 93%.
990
00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:46,075
There was no way
we could possibly
991
00:57:46,076 --> 00:57:47,496
earn enough money
to pay it back.
992
00:57:47,496 --> 00:57:49,498
♪ I saw her today ♪
993
00:57:49,498 --> 00:57:51,583
It was impossible for us
to stay in England
994
00:57:51,583 --> 00:57:53,127
and so we had to go to France.
995
00:57:54,127 --> 00:57:57,214
♪ A glass of wine
in her hand ♪
996
00:57:57,215 --> 00:57:59,425
And then, of course, we became
the very first tax exiles.
997
00:57:59,425 --> 00:58:03,095
♪ I knew she was gonna meet
her connection ♪
998
00:58:03,095 --> 00:58:04,764
It was difficult.
We're probably
999
00:58:04,764 --> 00:58:06,849
the most robbed band ever
1000
00:58:06,849 --> 00:58:08,437
but you learn, don't you?
1001
00:58:11,438 --> 00:58:15,359
♪ You can't always get
what you want ♪
1002
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:17,777
I mean, some bands have
one shot, they got nothing
1003
00:58:17,777 --> 00:58:18,112
that's the end of it.
1004
00:58:19,112 --> 00:58:21,531
They don't have the chance
of moving on
1005
00:58:21,532 --> 00:58:23,075
to improve their situation.
1006
00:58:23,075 --> 00:58:27,956
♪ You can't always get
what you want ♪
1007
00:58:27,956 --> 00:58:31,626
But I hated leaving England.
I hated it.
1008
00:58:31,626 --> 00:58:34,419
But we were told
there was no alternative.
1009
00:58:43,597 --> 00:58:45,809
When I left that mornin'
1010
00:58:45,809 --> 00:58:49,478
and I left my mom and dad there
and my son, Stephen
1011
00:58:49,478 --> 00:58:52,481
I was tearful,
and I really didn't wanna go.
1012
00:58:52,481 --> 00:58:55,402
♪ Fair share of abuse ♪♪
1013
00:58:55,403 --> 00:58:57,832
I was sure I wasn't gonna like
living in France.
1014
00:59:56,176 --> 00:00:00,000
People thought we all went
and lived in the same house.
1015
01:00:03,768 --> 01:00:05,728
We had to look
for somewhere to record
1016
01:00:05,729 --> 01:00:08,481
because, you know,
we needed a new record.
1017
01:00:08,481 --> 01:00:10,921
And in the end,
we never found anything.
1018
01:00:30,923 --> 01:00:33,717
We have to go
to Keith's house to do it.
1019
01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,344
Keith insists,
otherwise Keith ain't ever
1020
01:00:35,344 --> 01:00:37,347
gonna go to the session,
you know.
1021
01:00:39,347 --> 01:00:41,604
That's where we recorded
Exile On Main Street.
1022
01:00:45,605 --> 01:00:48,357
We did it in the basement
of his house.
1023
01:00:48,357 --> 01:00:49,901
It was a sad time
1024
01:00:49,901 --> 01:00:53,571
because everybody just got
absorbed in takin' drugs.
1025
01:00:53,572 --> 01:00:56,492
I didn't want it.
I didn't want anything of it,
apart from the music.
1026
01:01:06,711 --> 01:01:09,256
♪ I wanna tell you
about a dance ♪♪
1027
01:01:09,256 --> 01:01:11,841
We were in this basement,
which was like an oven.
1028
01:01:11,841 --> 01:01:14,136
And there's pictures of us
lying on the floor, you know.
1029
01:01:15,137 --> 01:01:19,433
Whatever inconveniences,
whatever things were impossible
1030
01:01:19,433 --> 01:01:21,395
to deal with sometimes,
it worked.
1031
01:01:23,395 --> 01:01:26,317
We were dynamite.
Un -- unbeatable, really.
1032
01:01:27,318 --> 01:01:29,446
Title five, take one.
1033
01:01:48,757 --> 01:01:50,634
Last week, New York City
finally got to see
1034
01:01:50,635 --> 01:01:51,635
and hear the Rolling Stones.
1035
01:01:51,635 --> 01:01:53,012
We were the last stop on a tour
1036
01:01:53,012 --> 01:01:55,017
that I'm sure most of you
have heard about.
1037
01:01:59,017 --> 01:02:00,727
Would you ever do
30 cities again
1038
01:02:00,727 --> 01:02:02,356
in that amount of time
if it were up to you?
1039
01:02:04,357 --> 01:02:06,192
As long as I get a holiday,
you know.
1040
01:02:06,192 --> 01:02:08,254
There's never been so much
energy as on this tour.
1041
01:03:07,259 --> 01:03:08,594
If the Stones broke up
1042
01:03:08,594 --> 01:03:10,429
I don't wanna start any rumors
'cause there aren't any
1043
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:13,600
but if they did,
say, next week after this tour
1044
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:14,937
what would you do?
1045
01:03:17,937 --> 01:03:19,939
You know, I always tried
to live a normal life
1046
01:03:19,939 --> 01:03:22,399
when I would finished recording
or finished touring
1047
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,279
or finished the concert
or whatever it was
1048
01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:28,784
I'd go back
and try to be normal.
1049
01:03:30,784 --> 01:03:33,786
We managed to build finances
1050
01:03:33,787 --> 01:03:37,082
and be able to pay our taxes
and still have money.
1051
01:03:37,082 --> 01:03:39,461
And then, of course,
it opened me
1052
01:03:39,461 --> 01:03:41,841
to a whole new life here.
1053
01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:02,820
You've got a lovely suntan.
1054
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:05,238
This presumably is, uh,
south of France suntan
1055
01:04:05,238 --> 01:04:07,073
because that's where
you're living now, is it not?
1056
01:04:07,073 --> 01:04:08,617
Yeah, that's my French look.
1057
01:04:08,618 --> 01:04:10,828
What do you do when you're
there apart from sunbathe?
1058
01:04:10,828 --> 01:04:13,498
In France, there are
so many different people
1059
01:04:13,498 --> 01:04:15,375
to -- to mix with
1060
01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,544
and, uh, I meet
with quite a lot of them
1061
01:04:17,544 --> 01:04:20,337
and going to art exhibitions,
all kinds of stuff.
1062
01:04:20,338 --> 01:04:21,383
It's really nice.
1063
01:04:23,383 --> 01:04:24,844
And I did meet Andre Verde
1064
01:04:24,844 --> 01:04:27,595
who was the one
that introduced me to artists
1065
01:04:27,595 --> 01:04:30,030
and poets and writers
and sculptors.
1066
01:04:46,032 --> 01:04:47,659
And you would go
to the little dinners
1067
01:04:47,659 --> 01:04:49,871
in the local restaurants.
1068
01:04:49,871 --> 01:04:51,837
It became
a lovely little family.
1069
01:04:57,838 --> 01:05:01,008
And then I met Jimmy Baldwin,
fucking hell.
1070
01:05:01,008 --> 01:05:02,718
I met him at the Colombe d'Or.
1071
01:05:02,718 --> 01:05:04,051
I'd go to his house
1072
01:05:04,051 --> 01:05:06,888
and I realized how much
he loved Ray Charles.
1073
01:05:06,889 --> 01:05:08,391
And I didn't know a lot
about Ray Charles.
1074
01:05:08,391 --> 01:05:10,601
I'd seen a Ray Charles concert
1075
01:05:10,601 --> 01:05:13,313
with Keith and Charlie
in '64 in England.
1076
01:05:13,313 --> 01:05:14,605
I said to Jimmy, "Can I borrow
1077
01:05:14,605 --> 01:05:16,023
some of your Ray Charles'
records?"
1078
01:05:16,023 --> 01:05:17,357
He said, "Yeah."
1079
01:05:17,357 --> 01:05:19,777
He said, "I'll bring them
up to your house."
1080
01:05:19,778 --> 01:05:21,571
And, God,
over the next few days
1081
01:05:21,571 --> 01:05:23,865
I just played
Ray Charles nonstop
1082
01:05:23,865 --> 01:05:28,205
and he became my favorite
musician of the 20th century.
1083
01:05:30,206 --> 01:05:32,667
Then Andre Verde invited me
1084
01:05:32,667 --> 01:05:35,587
to go to Marc Chagall's house.
1085
01:05:35,587 --> 01:05:38,672
"You mean Marc Chagall,
the painter?"
1086
01:05:38,672 --> 01:05:39,342
He said, "Yeah, yeah."
1087
01:05:41,343 --> 01:05:43,264
He was absolutely wonderful.
1088
01:05:45,264 --> 01:05:49,267
He said, "Your long hair,
not original, change it."
1089
01:05:49,267 --> 01:05:51,479
I said, "But we were
the first band with long hair."
1090
01:05:51,479 --> 01:05:54,481
He said, "Oh, that's okay then.
Then you are the originals."
1091
01:05:56,276 --> 01:05:58,489
I was friends with him for the
last eight years of his life.
1092
01:06:01,489 --> 01:06:05,493
I got to know
the -- the simple way he lived.
1093
01:06:05,494 --> 01:06:07,664
You don't avoid
all them little things.
1094
01:06:07,664 --> 01:06:10,374
They're all part of living,
aren't they?
1095
01:06:10,374 --> 01:06:12,793
Of course, then you enjoy
the bigger things better
1096
01:06:12,793 --> 01:06:14,795
if you deal
with the little things.
1097
01:06:40,031 --> 01:06:41,950
So what's the purpose
of doing the tour?
1098
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:43,961
Oh, I got fed up with gardening.
1099
01:06:51,962 --> 01:06:55,215
Oh, man, the Rolling Stones
are just it, you know.
1100
01:06:55,215 --> 01:06:56,175
What do you mean?
1101
01:06:57,175 --> 01:06:59,469
They're the greatest
rock and roll band in the world.
1102
01:06:59,469 --> 01:07:03,014
♪ Gold Coast slave ship
bound for cotton fields ♪
1103
01:07:03,015 --> 01:07:06,686
♪ Sold in the market
down in New Orleans ♪
1104
01:07:06,686 --> 01:07:10,647
♪ Scarred old slaver knows
he's doin' alright ♪
1105
01:07:10,647 --> 01:07:14,988
♪ Hear him whip the women
just around midnight ♪
1106
01:07:16,989 --> 01:07:21,371
♪ Brown sugar
how come you taste so good? ♪
1107
01:07:24,371 --> 01:07:25,873
♪ Brown sugar ♪
1108
01:07:25,874 --> 01:07:28,709
♪ Just like a good boy should ♪
1109
01:07:28,709 --> 01:07:32,296
♪ Yeah yeah yeah woo ♪
1110
01:07:32,296 --> 01:07:35,805
♪ Just like a
just like a black boy should ♪♪
1111
01:07:52,193 --> 01:07:54,197
On a personal sense, Bill,
is it difficult
1112
01:07:55,197 --> 01:07:58,407
in -- in some respects
being a Rolling Stone
1113
01:07:58,407 --> 01:07:59,202
in terms
of -- of the pressure that --
1114
01:08:00,202 --> 01:08:02,246
That's difficult for a start,
but carry on.
1115
01:08:02,247 --> 01:08:03,997
In terms of the pressure
in the sense
1116
01:08:03,997 --> 01:08:06,422
that that brings on you
as an individual?
1117
01:08:12,423 --> 01:08:14,927
There's a lot of difficulties,
uh..
1118
01:08:14,927 --> 01:08:17,388
I think the main difficulty
in being a Rolling Stone
1119
01:08:17,388 --> 01:08:20,391
is to pursue
your other interests.
1120
01:08:23,268 --> 01:08:26,062
I did the first solo album
of a Stone in '73
1121
01:08:26,063 --> 01:08:27,286
called Monkey Grip.
1122
01:08:39,287 --> 01:08:42,790
♪ Good old monkey grip
monkey grip ♪
1123
01:08:42,790 --> 01:08:45,127
♪ Monkey grip monkey grip ♪♪
1124
01:08:46,127 --> 01:08:49,046
I was regarded as bass player
of the Rolling Stones.
1125
01:08:49,047 --> 01:08:51,132
I was not expected
to be anything else
1126
01:08:51,132 --> 01:08:53,011
or to do anything else.
1127
01:08:54,011 --> 01:08:55,887
You really had to go out there
1128
01:08:55,887 --> 01:08:57,976
and try to prove yourself.
1129
01:09:00,977 --> 01:09:03,103
You did an album back in '74
with Buddy Guy
1130
01:09:03,103 --> 01:09:04,606
uh, Buddy Guy and Junior Wells
1131
01:09:04,606 --> 01:09:08,151
who were two of the original
Chicago Blues Brothers.
1132
01:09:08,151 --> 01:09:11,486
I was just asked to get
a rhythm section together
1133
01:09:11,487 --> 01:09:13,656
to play with them
at the Montreux Jazz Festival
1134
01:09:13,656 --> 01:09:14,661
in Switzerland.
1135
01:09:17,661 --> 01:09:20,246
I got this phone call
from Claude Nobbs.
1136
01:09:20,246 --> 01:09:21,581
He said,
"I'd like to invite you
1137
01:09:21,582 --> 01:09:23,167
"to the Montreux Jazz Festival
1138
01:09:23,167 --> 01:09:24,419
"because I've got Muddy Waters
1139
01:09:24,419 --> 01:09:25,795
"and he hasn't got
a band or anything.
1140
01:09:25,795 --> 01:09:27,087
"Do you think you could put
1141
01:09:27,087 --> 01:09:28,797
a little rhythm section
together?"
1142
01:09:28,797 --> 01:09:31,801
We just loaded up,
and I drove to Switzerland.
1143
01:09:32,801 --> 01:09:34,889
♪ Gonna make pretty women ♪
1144
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:38,685
♪ Jump and shout ♪
1145
01:09:40,685 --> 01:09:43,105
♪ Then the world wanna know ♪
1146
01:09:44,105 --> 01:09:46,399
♪ What's this all about ♪
1147
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,699
♪ But they'll know I'm here ♪
1148
01:09:52,699 --> 01:09:55,870
♪ Everybody knows I'm here ♪♪
1149
01:09:57,871 --> 01:10:00,708
Buddy Guy and Junior Wells
are sittin' on the side
1150
01:10:00,708 --> 01:10:04,213
listenin' to us and Buddy says,
"Can you be our support band?"
1151
01:10:05,213 --> 01:10:06,714
I said, "Yeah, yeah."
1152
01:10:06,714 --> 01:10:10,887
♪ The thing that I think
I would do ♪
1153
01:10:12,888 --> 01:10:17,076
♪ Ooh no one will never know ♪♪
1154
01:10:34,078 --> 01:10:36,329
We went there
to back up Muddy Waters.
1155
01:10:36,329 --> 01:10:40,126
So I needed that bass player
to fill every missed note
1156
01:10:40,126 --> 01:10:41,668
which I still do.
1157
01:10:41,668 --> 01:10:45,422
Every note I missed, I wanted
him to...fill in for me
1158
01:10:45,423 --> 01:10:48,759
'cause I was missin'
a lot of notes back then.
1159
01:10:48,759 --> 01:10:53,472
Somebody like him can get
the word out faster than I can.
1160
01:10:53,472 --> 01:10:55,433
People still look at those guys
1161
01:10:55,434 --> 01:10:59,479
as the greatest rock and roll
band that ever played.
1162
01:11:10,326 --> 01:11:13,245
Glyn Johns rings up and says,
"Bill, are you interested
1163
01:11:13,245 --> 01:11:15,288
in doing a session tomorrow
for me?"
1164
01:11:15,288 --> 01:11:17,791
He says, "I need you
to play with Howlin' Wolf."
1165
01:11:17,792 --> 01:11:20,587
I went, "What? Howlin' Wolf?
1166
01:11:20,587 --> 01:11:22,255
Bloody hell, put me in.
Who else is on?"
1167
01:11:22,255 --> 01:11:23,632
And he says,
"Well, I've got Charlie."
1168
01:11:23,632 --> 01:11:25,466
And I thought, "Oh, fantastic."
1169
01:11:25,466 --> 01:11:28,802
"And Eric Clapton.
It will be the three of you."
1170
01:11:28,802 --> 01:11:32,056
I went, "Oh, God almighty.
I'd love it, yes."
1171
01:11:32,057 --> 01:11:34,645
♪ Well I got
a little red rooster ♪
1172
01:11:35,645 --> 01:11:40,149
♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪
1173
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:42,485
And so I went down the next day
1174
01:11:42,486 --> 01:11:46,322
met up with everybody
and said hello to Wolf.
1175
01:11:46,322 --> 01:11:49,701
Bloody hell.
I was saying hello to my hero.
1176
01:11:49,701 --> 01:11:52,245
Alright, let -- let everybody
get together then
1177
01:11:52,246 --> 01:11:53,540
and we'll try to make it.
1178
01:11:53,540 --> 01:11:56,334
Wolf had a voice
that, uh, nobody else had.
1179
01:11:56,334 --> 01:11:59,545
Oh, man, come on, he..
1180
01:11:59,545 --> 01:12:01,464
He ain't got nothin' to do
but count off.
1181
01:12:01,464 --> 01:12:04,009
Alright, let's get on it.
1182
01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:09,180
It was wonderful to do it
with Wolf and meet his family.
1183
01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:11,350
He was a lovely man,
he was so gentle.
1184
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:12,725
He was this gentle giant.
1185
01:12:12,725 --> 01:12:16,063
He was terrifying to look at
and to be around.
1186
01:12:16,064 --> 01:12:17,190
Those moments are there
to be caught.
1187
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:20,988
But you're bloody lucky
most times if you catch 'em.
1188
01:12:22,988 --> 01:12:26,126
♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪♪
1189
01:12:36,127 --> 01:12:37,879
We got the message
from the office
1190
01:12:37,879 --> 01:12:40,464
that Mick Taylor said
I've left.
1191
01:12:40,465 --> 01:12:42,218
Fuck, now we were just
gonna start recording.
1192
01:12:43,218 --> 01:12:45,472
We haven't got a fucking
guitar player, you know.
1193
01:12:47,472 --> 01:12:49,057
Tune up room session.
1194
01:12:49,057 --> 01:12:50,558
Ah!
1195
01:12:53,563 --> 01:12:57,733
♪ Baby baby
I've been so sad ♪
1196
01:12:57,733 --> 01:13:02,322
It finally came down to trying
to borrow Woody for the tour.
1197
01:13:02,323 --> 01:13:03,865
Borrowing him from the Faces.
1198
01:13:03,865 --> 01:13:05,783
♪ Where you do belong ♪
1199
01:13:05,783 --> 01:13:08,787
He was a nice catalyst
between me and Charlie
1200
01:13:08,787 --> 01:13:10,998
and Keith and Mick.
1201
01:13:10,998 --> 01:13:14,667
Ronnie was like the clown that
sort of linked it all together.
1202
01:13:14,668 --> 01:13:16,922
♪ If I ever get back
to Fun City ♪
1203
01:13:16,922 --> 01:13:21,052
♪ Girl I'm gonna make you
scream all night ♪♪
1204
01:13:22,052 --> 01:13:23,928
What is it
after so many years of touring
1205
01:13:23,928 --> 01:13:25,226
that -- that keeps you going?
1206
01:13:30,227 --> 01:13:32,729
I don't know.
Just playing together.
1207
01:13:32,729 --> 01:13:35,732
All -- all the memories
and all the places, the people.
1208
01:13:35,732 --> 01:13:37,692
Uh, I can't --
I can't explain it.
1209
01:13:37,693 --> 01:13:39,237
It's just good
to get on the stage
1210
01:13:39,237 --> 01:13:41,489
and play in front of people
who wanna listen to you.
1211
01:14:15,235 --> 01:14:17,196
♪ Mama and papa told me
I was crazy to stay ♪
1212
01:14:18,196 --> 01:14:20,824
♪ I was a fag in New York
I was gay ♪♪
1213
01:14:20,824 --> 01:14:25,328
In July '78,
I tripped on some cables
1214
01:14:25,329 --> 01:14:27,206
and fell about 6 or 7 feet
with my guitar
1215
01:14:28,206 --> 01:14:29,750
and was knocked out.
1216
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:31,544
Everybody else had gone
1217
01:14:31,544 --> 01:14:34,546
and then suddenly realized
that I was nowhere around.
1218
01:14:34,546 --> 01:14:36,840
So people came back
and just saw my silver boots
1219
01:14:36,841 --> 01:14:39,427
stickin' out
through the curtain.
1220
01:14:39,427 --> 01:14:42,764
And for the rest of that tour,
I had to play
1221
01:14:42,764 --> 01:14:45,322
with two central fingers
strapped up.
1222
01:14:58,324 --> 01:15:00,825
'81, we toured America.
1223
01:15:00,825 --> 01:15:02,785
Massive tour of America,
it was wonderful.
1224
01:15:16,218 --> 01:15:18,469
'82, we toured Europe.
1225
01:15:18,469 --> 01:15:22,098
Same thing.
Also massive and wonderful.
1226
01:15:22,099 --> 01:15:24,268
♪ I've been holding out
so long ♪
1227
01:15:24,268 --> 01:15:26,562
♪ I've been sleeping
all alone ♪
1228
01:15:26,562 --> 01:15:28,071
♪ Girl I miss you ♪♪
1229
01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:37,407
And then nothing happened.
1230
01:15:37,407 --> 01:15:38,742
Mick and Keith started arguing
1231
01:15:38,742 --> 01:15:41,118
and fighting about
God knows what.
1232
01:15:41,118 --> 01:15:43,413
We never played a gig
for seven years.
1233
01:15:43,413 --> 01:15:47,124
In the meantime, I started
to look out for myself.
1234
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:17,032
Great, let's break
and, uh, have some tea
1235
01:16:17,032 --> 01:16:19,326
and then we'll come up
and listen to it again
all the way through, shall we?
1236
01:16:19,327 --> 01:16:21,790
That's good.
That sounds really good to me.
1237
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:26,085
Everybody wants to do a solo
album, but not seriously.
1238
01:16:26,085 --> 01:16:29,130
So I sat down
and, uh, started writin'.
1239
01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:30,922
I -- I made up
little cassettes at home
1240
01:16:30,923 --> 01:16:32,217
on this terrible
little tape recorder I've got
1241
01:16:33,217 --> 01:16:36,680
not a ReVox
or anything sophisticated.
1242
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,266
When I did "Je Suis Un Rock
Star," everything went crazy.
1243
01:16:39,266 --> 01:16:41,310
♪ Je suis un rock star ♪
1244
01:16:41,310 --> 01:16:43,352
♪ Je avais un residence ♪
1245
01:16:43,353 --> 01:16:45,772
♪ Je habiter la ♪
1246
01:16:45,772 --> 01:16:47,984
♪ A la south of France ♪
1247
01:16:47,984 --> 01:16:50,152
♪ Voulez vous ♪
1248
01:16:50,152 --> 01:16:51,820
♪ Partir with me? ♪
1249
01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:55,951
♪ And come and rester la
with me in France ♪
1250
01:16:57,952 --> 01:17:00,496
Playing the single now.
1251
01:17:00,496 --> 01:17:04,000
That is Bill Wyman, "Si, Si,
Chay Suis Un Rock Star."
1252
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,501
Am I saying that right, Bill?
1253
01:17:05,502 --> 01:17:08,965
"Je Suis Un Rock Star."
I am a rock star, yeah.
1254
01:17:08,965 --> 01:17:13,345
I don't believe it.
I mean, I'm not serious.
1255
01:17:13,345 --> 01:17:16,014
Currently in Europe,
your single is, uh
1256
01:17:16,014 --> 01:17:18,515
in the top ten, right?
In -- In England?
1257
01:17:18,516 --> 01:17:20,895
Yeah, it's gone top 15
in every country so far
1258
01:17:20,895 --> 01:17:22,355
and I'm really pleased with it.
1259
01:17:22,355 --> 01:17:26,274
I'm very naively excited
about having a hit record
1260
01:17:26,274 --> 01:17:28,819
just like I was in '63
with the Stones.
1261
01:17:28,820 --> 01:17:31,030
It's -- it's like Christmas.
1262
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:33,909
♪ Je avais un residence ♪♪
1263
01:17:33,909 --> 01:17:35,494
Tell me, Bill, is it different
1264
01:17:35,494 --> 01:17:37,162
when a superstar goes
to the men's room
1265
01:17:37,162 --> 01:17:39,330
than for your average
ordinary person?
1266
01:17:39,330 --> 01:17:41,708
Um, yeah.
1267
01:17:41,709 --> 01:17:43,794
What's the difference?
1268
01:17:43,794 --> 01:17:46,049
- You have a super pee.
- Super pee.
1269
01:17:52,595 --> 01:17:55,099
Everybody thought
that our life was so romantic
1270
01:17:55,099 --> 01:17:56,892
and wonderful and exciting
and all that.
1271
01:17:56,892 --> 01:17:59,937
It was for two hours,
if you were on stage.
1272
01:17:59,937 --> 01:18:03,069
The rest of the time
was boredom.
1273
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:11,244
It's very difficult
to keep your sanity, actually.
1274
01:18:15,245 --> 01:18:16,830
You moved away
from all your friends.
1275
01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:18,039
You were always traveling.
1276
01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:19,917
You're always on the road,
you know.
1277
01:18:19,917 --> 01:18:21,918
So it's forever changin'.
1278
01:18:21,918 --> 01:18:24,846
Nothing's kind of permanent.
1279
01:18:31,847 --> 01:18:33,891
There was no time.
1280
01:18:33,891 --> 01:18:35,767
I mean,
you looked around suddenly
1281
01:18:35,767 --> 01:18:39,812
and you hadn't seen
your cousin Peter for two years
1282
01:18:39,813 --> 01:18:42,233
and even brothers and sisters
you almost lose touch with
1283
01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:45,457
because you're -- you're livin'
in a different world.
1284
01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,754
I got this invite
to go to this event
1285
01:19:01,755 --> 01:19:04,885
and there was all these people
dancing in the front.
1286
01:19:06,885 --> 01:19:10,305
I saw this beautiful girl
with her hair up.
1287
01:19:10,305 --> 01:19:13,980
I spoke to her and found
her name was Mandy Smith.
1288
01:19:18,981 --> 01:19:21,609
It was from the heart.
It wasn't from, like, lust
1289
01:19:21,609 --> 01:19:24,994
or anything like that
which people was seeing it as.
1290
01:19:35,499 --> 01:19:38,293
Bill, were you in any way,
were you in any way hesitant
1291
01:19:38,294 --> 01:19:41,296
having been a bachelor boy
for so long
1292
01:19:41,296 --> 01:19:42,965
or free -- free spirit
for so long
1293
01:19:42,965 --> 01:19:44,550
were you very hesitant about
1294
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:47,219
taking the months
of marriage again?
1295
01:19:47,219 --> 01:19:48,763
No, I always thought
she was the right girl
1296
01:19:48,764 --> 01:19:51,183
from the moment I met her,
but it was just the wrong time.
1297
01:19:51,183 --> 01:19:52,810
She was too young.
1298
01:19:52,810 --> 01:19:55,854
I thought she had to go out
and see life a bit
1299
01:19:55,854 --> 01:19:58,148
before she could make
that kind of a decision.
1300
01:19:58,148 --> 01:20:00,525
He is the rebel Rolling Stone
1301
01:20:00,526 --> 01:20:02,361
but their wedding blessing
today
1302
01:20:02,361 --> 01:20:04,614
could not have been
more traditional.
1303
01:20:04,614 --> 01:20:06,699
They both said
they wouldn't feel married
1304
01:20:06,699 --> 01:20:09,034
without the formalities
of a church service.
1305
01:20:09,034 --> 01:20:11,373
And those they had,
right down to the confettis.
1306
01:20:14,374 --> 01:20:15,959
When we first met each other,
actually.
1307
01:20:15,959 --> 01:20:18,337
When, like, years ago,
we wanted to get married
1308
01:20:18,337 --> 01:20:20,213
but obviously we couldn't.
1309
01:20:20,213 --> 01:20:22,090
The things work out in the end
if they're right
1310
01:20:22,090 --> 01:20:24,051
and we always thought
it was right since the beginning
1311
01:20:24,052 --> 01:20:25,558
and, uh, here we are.
1312
01:20:30,558 --> 01:20:34,567
I was really stupid to ever
think it could possibly work.
1313
01:20:38,568 --> 01:20:41,821
Two sad marriages, really
1314
01:20:41,821 --> 01:20:44,916
and I decided it was time
I got my fucking life in order.
1315
01:20:53,917 --> 01:20:59,047
Five, four, three, two, one.
1316
01:20:59,048 --> 01:21:00,799
Fire.
1317
01:21:02,217 --> 01:21:04,846
♪ Start me up ♪
1318
01:21:04,846 --> 01:21:06,431
♪ If you start me up
I'll never stop ♪
1319
01:21:06,431 --> 01:21:09,601
We hadn't played one show
from '82 to '89.
1320
01:21:09,602 --> 01:21:11,437
So it was
a coming together again
1321
01:21:11,437 --> 01:21:13,441
but I saw it as a grand finale.
1322
01:21:15,441 --> 01:21:17,360
We did five Wembley Stadiums
1323
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,990
we did six Shea Stadiums
in New York.
1324
01:21:22,991 --> 01:21:25,035
We went to Japan
for the first time.
1325
01:21:25,035 --> 01:21:28,121
We played the Tokyo Dome,
45,000 people
1326
01:21:28,121 --> 01:21:30,624
ten shows one after the other.
1327
01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:32,834
It was fantastic.
1328
01:21:40,635 --> 01:21:42,596
♪ I can't get no ♪
1329
01:21:44,597 --> 01:21:47,309
In Prague,
we played to 130,000 people
1330
01:21:47,309 --> 01:21:51,437
because they came from Poland
and Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
1331
01:21:51,437 --> 01:21:53,649
All in all, those three tours
1332
01:21:53,649 --> 01:21:55,985
we played 120 shows
1333
01:21:55,986 --> 01:21:59,489
seven and a quarter
million people.
1334
01:21:59,489 --> 01:22:00,240
It was extraordinary.
1335
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:05,160
♪ Supposed to fire
my imagination ♪
1336
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:06,498
♪ I can't get no ♪♪
1337
01:22:08,499 --> 01:22:10,792
We finished that tour.
1338
01:22:10,792 --> 01:22:12,460
I just sat back
1339
01:22:12,460 --> 01:22:15,339
and I thought this is
a nice time to end my career
1340
01:22:15,339 --> 01:22:17,638
with the Rolling Stones,
on a big high.
1341
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,224
So I left.
1342
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:30,354
All those 31 years
with the band
1343
01:22:30,355 --> 01:22:33,025
I -- I absolutely loved
what we did
1344
01:22:33,025 --> 01:22:35,569
loved what we achieved.
1345
01:22:35,569 --> 01:22:41,182
But I needed to sort out
my personal life and my future.
1346
01:23:05,185 --> 01:23:07,479
There's a very happy bird
up there.
1347
01:23:33,632 --> 01:23:34,641
It's fantastic.
1348
01:23:41,642 --> 01:23:43,603
They're really cute
little butterflies.
1349
01:23:45,603 --> 01:23:49,357
♪ Love is such
a wonderful thing ♪
1350
01:23:49,357 --> 01:23:52,652
♪ When you need it ♪
1351
01:23:52,653 --> 01:23:54,906
♪ Look around for it ♪
1352
01:23:54,906 --> 01:23:58,117
♪ Love is such
a wonderful thing ♪♪
1353
01:23:58,117 --> 01:23:59,702
Go on, you go.
1354
01:23:59,702 --> 01:24:01,787
You've got a better memory
than me on those days.
1355
01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:04,040
- Oh, yeah. Why?
- The romantic moments.
1356
01:24:04,041 --> 01:24:06,126
Yeah, why do you forget
all the romantic moments?
1357
01:24:06,126 --> 01:24:07,836
I do. I -- I remember
all the other stuff.
1358
01:24:07,836 --> 01:24:10,131
You remember all the facts,
but you forget
all the romantic moments.
1359
01:24:10,131 --> 01:24:11,299
Yeah.
1360
01:24:11,299 --> 01:24:13,967
Suzanne and I met in 1979
1361
01:24:13,967 --> 01:24:18,848
and she became the inspiration
for "Je Suis Un Rock Star."
1362
01:24:18,849 --> 01:24:21,810
- Can you see me in there?
- Can you say famous?
1363
01:24:21,810 --> 01:24:22,810
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1364
01:24:22,810 --> 01:24:23,814
Hi.
1365
01:24:25,814 --> 01:24:27,649
We are cliche.
1366
01:24:27,650 --> 01:24:30,652
I was a model,
he was a musician.
1367
01:24:30,652 --> 01:24:33,405
He was with a photographer,
I was quite bored at the party
1368
01:24:33,405 --> 01:24:37,200
and I thought
I should probably go up
and talk to this photographer.
1369
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,120
And Bill started to chat me up
1370
01:24:40,121 --> 01:24:42,665
and I started to -- to talk
about music
1371
01:24:42,665 --> 01:24:45,501
askin' him why
he was so interested in music.
1372
01:24:45,501 --> 01:24:47,593
And I felt kind of bad
that I didn't recognize him.
1373
01:24:52,594 --> 01:24:53,554
And that's Matilda.
1374
01:24:55,554 --> 01:24:57,223
We got you.
1375
01:24:57,223 --> 01:24:58,267
Can we use your paintbrushes?
1376
01:24:59,267 --> 01:25:01,023
I guess so.
It's a bit late now, isn't it?
1377
01:25:06,024 --> 01:25:08,819
Oh, we'll have to get
these eggs.
1378
01:25:08,819 --> 01:25:13,365
When we decided to get married,
it was to have a family.
1379
01:25:13,366 --> 01:25:15,578
He wanted to start life
over again.
1380
01:25:16,578 --> 01:25:18,704
He just wanted to have
a normal life.
1381
01:25:18,704 --> 01:25:21,874
He wanted to be able
to walk down the street
1382
01:25:21,874 --> 01:25:24,711
and be able to go
to a movie theater
1383
01:25:24,712 --> 01:25:26,129
without being bothered.
1384
01:25:26,129 --> 01:25:28,007
He just wanted to know
what that felt like.
1385
01:25:28,007 --> 01:25:30,218
Yeah, so.. Shh.
1386
01:25:38,434 --> 01:25:41,273
When we got married
and when we had the kids
1387
01:25:42,273 --> 01:25:45,067
it gave him time.
1388
01:25:45,067 --> 01:25:47,402
I think time is his foundation
1389
01:25:47,403 --> 01:25:49,363
and he wants to use
all this time
1390
01:25:49,363 --> 01:25:52,202
in a very productive way.
1391
01:25:54,202 --> 01:25:56,578
He just has this need
1392
01:25:56,578 --> 01:26:01,583
to almost relive
what he experienced
1393
01:26:01,584 --> 01:26:04,505
and put it
in some sort of order
1394
01:26:04,505 --> 01:26:07,726
and find out who he really was
and what he'd gone through.
1395
01:26:17,727 --> 01:26:21,440
So he started to dig out
the old boxes
1396
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:24,110
scannin' things..
1397
01:26:25,111 --> 01:26:27,155
...and really started
to look at it
1398
01:26:27,155 --> 01:26:29,991
as a life's work ahead of him
1399
01:26:29,991 --> 01:26:33,036
that he had to complete.
1400
01:26:33,036 --> 01:26:36,121
I think when he works on the
archive, it inspires him.
1401
01:26:36,122 --> 01:26:38,375
It's almost like
he has a treasure
1402
01:26:38,375 --> 01:26:40,636
and he wants to share it
with someone else.
1403
01:26:57,187 --> 01:26:59,315
And I decided
to play music again.
1404
01:27:04,486 --> 01:27:06,989
Forming the Rhythm Kings
enabled me to play
1405
01:27:06,989 --> 01:27:09,950
with a whole variety
of wonderful musicians
1406
01:27:09,951 --> 01:27:13,330
and dig into the roots
of -- of music
1407
01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:16,124
finding a lot of early stuff
1408
01:27:16,124 --> 01:27:19,126
which had been forgotten about
and reviving it.
1409
01:27:42,278 --> 01:27:44,195
Do you mind, sir,
putting that down?
1410
01:27:44,196 --> 01:27:46,199
We can't have that
going on here.
1411
01:27:58,087 --> 01:28:02,341
The atmosphere on the bus,
it's like, uh, it's a family.
1412
01:28:02,341 --> 01:28:04,259
He likes being around players.
1413
01:28:04,259 --> 01:28:06,637
He likes the jokes.
1414
01:28:06,638 --> 01:28:08,696
All his life,
he's been a working player.
1415
01:28:23,697 --> 01:28:27,743
Bill is the kind of artist
who wants to do the music
1416
01:28:27,743 --> 01:28:29,162
but he doesn't necessarily
have to have
1417
01:28:29,162 --> 01:28:31,080
all the adulation for it.
1418
01:28:31,081 --> 01:28:33,878
He's playing his music
for himself.
1419
01:28:36,878 --> 01:28:41,257
You have to have that courage
to take that other road
1420
01:28:41,258 --> 01:28:42,761
to be yourself,
to find yourself
1421
01:28:42,761 --> 01:28:45,430
because you can get lost
in this road to stardom.
1422
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:47,598
I mean, you really can,
and that's all you have
1423
01:28:47,598 --> 01:28:50,476
and then maybe at the end
of your life, you're like
1424
01:28:50,476 --> 01:28:53,605
"Wow, I wish I had,
you know, taken a few moments
1425
01:28:53,606 --> 01:28:55,275
to stop and smell the roses."
1426
01:28:56,275 --> 01:28:58,110
And I don't think that
Bill will ever say that.
1427
01:28:58,110 --> 01:29:02,114
I think he has been able to not
only smell them but name them.
1428
01:29:13,626 --> 01:29:16,463
To have gone through
that life experience
1429
01:29:16,464 --> 01:29:21,635
and still be very rooted,
really the child of the 1940s
1430
01:29:21,635 --> 01:29:24,140
I mean, you're looking
at old England with this guy.
1431
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:28,725
People only really
get bothered by fame
1432
01:29:28,726 --> 01:29:32,105
or it disturbs them is
when they start acting famous.
1433
01:29:32,105 --> 01:29:34,989
I don't think Bill
ever started acting famous.
1434
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:42,366
I can get by on things we do
1435
01:29:42,366 --> 01:29:45,160
and, uh,
some better than average
1436
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,414
better than some
and worse than some.
1437
01:29:47,414 --> 01:29:49,164
But, uh, you can always learn
1438
01:29:49,164 --> 01:29:51,294
and you never become as good
as you'd like to.
1439
01:29:52,295 --> 01:29:55,089
I don't think,
no matter what you play.
1440
01:29:57,674 --> 01:30:02,179
♪ Georgia Georgia ♪
1441
01:30:02,179 --> 01:30:04,682
Ray Charles was playing
at the South Bank.
1442
01:30:04,683 --> 01:30:07,602
And halfway through the concert,
Ray Charles decides to do
1443
01:30:07,602 --> 01:30:09,729
"Georgia On My Mind"
on the piano
1444
01:30:09,729 --> 01:30:12,858
and he dismisses the band
and the Raylettes and everyone
1445
01:30:12,858 --> 01:30:16,569
and he's by himself
on the stage, and he starts..
1446
01:30:16,570 --> 01:30:20,158
♪ Georgia da da da Georgia ♪
1447
01:30:20,158 --> 01:30:22,743
And it was so emotional.
1448
01:30:22,743 --> 01:30:27,623
The whole audience,
4000 people in tears.
1449
01:30:27,624 --> 01:30:29,125
With Ray Charles,
and I thought
1450
01:30:29,125 --> 01:30:31,878
"No one, no one
1451
01:30:31,878 --> 01:30:35,048
gets an audience like that,
you know, except him."
1452
01:30:35,048 --> 01:30:39,802
It was amazing. And, uh, anyway,
the concert finished.
1453
01:30:39,803 --> 01:30:42,808
See, I get emotional
because it was so fantastic.
1454
01:30:43,808 --> 01:30:46,561
It finished, and the people,
and my friends said
1455
01:30:46,561 --> 01:30:49,397
"Can we go backstage
and meet him?" And I went..
1456
01:30:50,816 --> 01:30:52,902
I said, "Musicians, they don't
really like people
1457
01:30:52,902 --> 01:30:54,737
"coming backstage when
they've just come offstage.
1458
01:30:54,737 --> 01:30:56,988
"They're exhausted, and they're
tired, and they're sweaty
1459
01:30:56,988 --> 01:30:59,992
and they just wanna have a break
and all that."
1460
01:30:59,992 --> 01:31:01,826
So I said,
"No, I'd rather not."
1461
01:31:01,827 --> 01:31:04,413
They said, "Alright, but just
stay here until the audience go
1462
01:31:04,413 --> 01:31:06,292
and then we can go
quieter out."
1463
01:31:07,292 --> 01:31:09,920
While we were waiting there,
someone came
1464
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,131
from backstage,
and they came over and said, um
1465
01:31:13,132 --> 01:31:15,761
"Mr. Charles knows you're here
and he wants to invite you."
1466
01:31:17,761 --> 01:31:20,431
Because you admire him
more than any other musician
1467
01:31:20,431 --> 01:31:22,141
don't you, yeah?
1468
01:31:26,981 --> 01:31:30,946
You know, it was,
it was a fantastic moment.
1469
01:31:34,946 --> 01:31:36,741
- Just wait a minute.
- It's okay.
1470
01:31:38,742 --> 01:31:40,955
Ah! Leave it a minute.
1471
01:31:41,955 --> 01:31:44,000
So..
1472
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,421
Yeah, he, uh..
1473
01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:53,430
We went backstage and met him.
1474
01:31:57,430 --> 01:32:01,019
He was...fantastic.
1475
01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:05,564
- I can't do it, sorry.
- Anyhow, they asked him..
1476
01:32:05,564 --> 01:32:10,151
Ray Charles asked him
if he would play
on his next album and --
1477
01:32:10,152 --> 01:32:12,363
- And I chickened out.
- He just said how could I --
1478
01:32:12,363 --> 01:32:14,490
I said, "I'm not good enough."
1479
01:32:14,490 --> 01:32:16,328
That's what he.. Yeah.
1480
01:32:18,328 --> 01:32:19,288
You just, well, you didn't
say it to his face --
1481
01:32:20,288 --> 01:32:21,580
- I did.
- Did you really?
1482
01:32:21,580 --> 01:32:22,582
- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.
1483
01:32:22,583 --> 01:32:23,916
I didn't know that.
1484
01:32:23,916 --> 01:32:25,376
- Yeah.
- And what did he say?
1485
01:32:25,376 --> 01:32:29,173
He was, we -- we spent half
an hour in his dressing room.
1486
01:32:29,173 --> 01:32:30,675
He's absolutely fantastic.
1487
01:32:32,675 --> 01:32:33,345
And then he said that.
1488
01:32:35,346 --> 01:32:36,973
He said, "Would you like to play
on my next album?"
1489
01:32:36,973 --> 01:32:40,019
I said, "I'm not good enough."
1490
01:32:42,019 --> 01:32:44,399
♪ Just an old sweet song ♪
1491
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,945
♪ Keeps Georgia on my mind ♪♪
1492
01:32:50,945 --> 01:32:53,032
Almost every bass player
I've ever met
1493
01:32:53,032 --> 01:32:56,827
is always a big guy
with huge hands.
1494
01:32:56,828 --> 01:32:58,704
When I was a little boy,
you know
1495
01:32:58,704 --> 01:33:01,708
all my heroes
were the little guys.
1496
01:33:01,708 --> 01:33:03,877
I think there's something
about being the little guy
1497
01:33:03,877 --> 01:33:06,797
you always wanna prove
that you can still do it
1498
01:33:06,797 --> 01:33:09,048
against the big guys
1499
01:33:09,049 --> 01:33:11,259
and that's the drive.
1500
01:33:11,259 --> 01:33:13,721
And it's been my drive
all my life.
1501
01:33:18,810 --> 01:33:21,231
You make your own way,
don't you?
1502
01:33:23,232 --> 01:33:26,911
You just head in directions
that you think are good
at the time.
1503
01:33:35,912 --> 01:33:37,455
Something magical happened.
1504
01:33:37,455 --> 01:33:40,670
Something unusual.
Something rare.
1505
01:33:43,671 --> 01:33:47,173
Which shouldn't have really
happened to a working-class boy
1506
01:33:47,173 --> 01:33:50,511
from South London,
and it's bizarre.
1507
01:33:50,511 --> 01:33:52,435
It's a bizarre life I've had.
1508
01:33:57,436 --> 01:34:01,661
Bill Wyman.
I play bass...guitar.
1509
01:34:15,662 --> 01:34:17,968
I think we're done here,
aren't we?
1510
01:34:46,864 --> 01:34:48,824
♪ Tell you a secret ♪
1511
01:34:48,824 --> 01:34:50,327
♪ You gotta keep it hid ♪
1512
01:34:51,327 --> 01:34:53,495
♪ Tell you about a woman ♪
1513
01:34:53,496 --> 01:34:55,790
♪ And the things she did ♪
1514
01:34:55,790 --> 01:34:58,000
♪ She took my money ♪
1515
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,128
♪ And she took my pride ♪
1516
01:35:00,128 --> 01:35:01,338
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1517
01:35:02,338 --> 01:35:04,512
♪ I got nothing to hide ♪
1518
01:35:08,513 --> 01:35:11,227
♪ Because I'm moving on
down the line ♪
1519
01:35:14,227 --> 01:35:17,021
♪ I'm gonna leave
that no-good woman ♪
1520
01:35:17,022 --> 01:35:19,860
♪ Get that devil woman
off my mind ♪
1521
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:24,363
♪ I'll take
the moonlight special ♪
1522
01:35:24,363 --> 01:35:27,366
♪ Moonlight special ♪
♪ Gonna do it right ♪
1523
01:35:27,367 --> 01:35:29,535
♪ Yeah the moonlight special ♪
♪ Moonlight special ♪
1524
01:35:29,535 --> 01:35:32,122
♪ And travel overnight ♪
1525
01:35:32,122 --> 01:35:34,373
♪ I'm going up the country ♪
♪ I'm going up the country ♪
1526
01:35:34,373 --> 01:35:37,292
♪ Where I can't be found ♪
1527
01:35:37,292 --> 01:35:41,883
♪ Find a hideaway and keep
my ear close to the ground ♪
1528
01:35:44,884 --> 01:35:46,432
♪ Yes I'm moving on
down the line ♪
1529
01:35:50,433 --> 01:35:53,269
♪ I'm gonna leave
that no-good woman ♪
1530
01:35:53,269 --> 01:35:57,065
♪ Get that devil woman
off my mind ♪
1531
01:35:57,065 --> 01:35:58,705
♪ Aww tell me ♪
1532
01:36:12,706 --> 01:36:15,084
♪ She's a mean mistreater ♪
♪ Mean mistreater ♪
1533
01:36:15,085 --> 01:36:17,378
♪ And she treat me bad ♪
♪ Treat me bad ♪
1534
01:36:17,378 --> 01:36:18,463
♪ She's a robber
and a cheater ♪
1535
01:36:18,463 --> 01:36:19,756
♪ Robber and a cheater ♪
1536
01:36:19,756 --> 01:36:22,009
♪ She's got me mad ♪
♪ Got me mad ♪
1537
01:36:22,009 --> 01:36:23,345
♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪
♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪
1538
01:36:24,345 --> 01:36:26,387
♪ Right out of my mind ♪
♪ Right out of my mind ♪
1539
01:36:26,388 --> 01:36:29,100
♪ I'm gonna leave that woman ♪
♪ Gonna leave that woman ♪
1540
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,939
♪ Leave that woman way behind ♪
1541
01:36:34,939 --> 01:36:37,486
♪ 'Cause I'm moving on
down the line ♪
1542
01:36:40,487 --> 01:36:42,324
♪ I'm gonna leave
that no-good woman ♪
1543
01:36:43,324 --> 01:36:45,954
♪ Get that devil woman
off my mind ♪
1544
01:36:48,955 --> 01:36:51,415
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1545
01:36:51,415 --> 01:36:53,626
♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪
1546
01:36:53,626 --> 01:36:55,461
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1547
01:36:55,461 --> 01:36:58,005
♪ Ooh about the things
she did ♪
1548
01:36:58,005 --> 01:37:00,216
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1549
01:37:00,217 --> 01:37:03,136
♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪
1550
01:37:03,136 --> 01:37:05,974
Shh.
1551
01:37:07,974 --> 01:37:09,397
♪ Early in the morning
about the break of day ♪
1552
01:37:12,398 --> 01:37:14,776
♪ That's when
my baby ran away ♪
1553
01:37:16,776 --> 01:37:18,364
♪ Crying and pleading
won't do no good ♪
1554
01:37:21,364 --> 01:37:23,743
♪ Come back baby
I wish you would ♪
1555
01:37:25,744 --> 01:37:28,080
♪ I love you girl
I can't help myself ♪
1556
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,334
♪ Oh aah ♪
1557
01:37:32,334 --> 01:37:33,503
♪ Go ♪
1558
01:37:34,503 --> 01:37:35,798
♪ Yeah ♪
1559
01:37:36,799 --> 01:37:37,553
♪ Oh ♪♪
1560
01:37:40,553 --> 01:37:42,263
Goodnight.
1561
01:37:44,948 --> 01:37:47,199
Everyone,
this is Rhythm Kings.
1562
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:48,868
Goodnight to you all.
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