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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,045 --> 00:00:04,439 Previously on "Thomas Jefferson"... 2 00:00:04,569 --> 00:00:08,704 In 1779, when the war is making its way south, 3 00:00:08,878 --> 00:00:11,228 Thomas Jefferson is elected governor 4 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:13,709 of the new Commonwealth of Virginia. 5 00:00:13,796 --> 00:00:15,363 It's a chess match. 6 00:00:15,580 --> 00:00:18,757 British want to capture the governor of Virginia. 7 00:00:18,888 --> 00:00:21,804 Jefferson is the prize. 8 00:00:21,978 --> 00:00:24,241 And then Jefferson has to flee. 9 00:00:24,415 --> 00:00:26,765 The citizens of Virginia think he's left his duty 10 00:00:26,896 --> 00:00:29,333 at the moment of great peril. 11 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:33,033 Which led him to a lifetime of regret 12 00:00:33,207 --> 00:00:37,689 about what he had left undone in those governor years. 13 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:40,953 So the revolution ends after the Battle of Yorktown. 14 00:00:41,128 --> 00:00:44,392 And he's disillusioned and exits public life 15 00:00:44,522 --> 00:00:47,264 to live with his family. 16 00:00:47,438 --> 00:00:50,093 But he can't just stay home. 17 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:55,098 Somewhere he has to be part of creating a new world. 18 00:01:06,805 --> 00:01:10,418 In September 1783, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, 19 00:01:10,505 --> 00:01:12,985 and John Jay signed the Treaty of Paris 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,467 in the city for which it is named. 21 00:01:16,598 --> 00:01:19,514 The agreement effectively ends the Revolutionary War 22 00:01:19,644 --> 00:01:22,343 and catapults the new United States of America 23 00:01:22,473 --> 00:01:26,129 onto the world stage. 24 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:28,436 But while his fellow forefathers established 25 00:01:28,566 --> 00:01:31,656 diplomatic ties overseas, Thomas Jefferson 26 00:01:31,743 --> 00:01:33,397 remains at Monticello, 27 00:01:33,615 --> 00:01:36,313 mourning the tragic loss of his wife. 28 00:01:36,444 --> 00:01:39,011 This is a blow which is very, very difficult 29 00:01:39,142 --> 00:01:41,492 for him to recover from, 30 00:01:41,666 --> 00:01:44,147 but in an attempt to save their friend, 31 00:01:44,321 --> 00:01:48,151 his friends in Virginia, particularly James Madison, 32 00:01:48,369 --> 00:01:52,024 arrange for him to be posted as a diplomat abroad. 33 00:01:55,463 --> 00:01:59,031 Paris is very attractive to Jefferson in many respects 34 00:01:59,206 --> 00:02:01,686 because, as somebody who considers himself 35 00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:03,688 an enlightened philosophe and as somebody 36 00:02:03,862 --> 00:02:06,126 who studied French throughout his life, 37 00:02:06,256 --> 00:02:09,868 France held a special place in Jefferson's heart. 38 00:02:12,001 --> 00:02:14,351 And so Jefferson goes to get the French 39 00:02:14,482 --> 00:02:17,398 to go all in to support this upstart idea 40 00:02:17,615 --> 00:02:19,313 of the United States of America. 41 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:22,403 Because France is also important diplomatically. 42 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:25,841 Britain would like to separate the United States from France, 43 00:02:25,971 --> 00:02:27,886 and the French are aware of this. 44 00:02:28,017 --> 00:02:29,236 So it's an interesting moment for him 45 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:31,238 to serve as a diplomat. 46 00:02:33,631 --> 00:02:36,504 He arrives at the court of Louis XVI 47 00:02:36,634 --> 00:02:40,899 and Marie Antoinette at a point 48 00:02:41,073 --> 00:02:43,380 when that court is the most important court in Europe. 49 00:02:43,511 --> 00:02:48,690 And it's characterized by excesses and glamour. 50 00:02:48,907 --> 00:02:52,694 But there's a great deal of unease and discord 51 00:02:52,781 --> 00:02:53,956 really brewing. 52 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:58,134 We're a few years off from the French Revolution, 53 00:02:58,265 --> 00:03:00,745 but the underlying causes of that revolution, 54 00:03:00,876 --> 00:03:04,358 the disparities of wealth, are there. 55 00:03:04,532 --> 00:03:10,102 Paris is alive at this point with revolutionary fervor. 56 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:12,888 When he gets to Paris, we are on the cusp 57 00:03:12,975 --> 00:03:15,064 of a world-changing event. 58 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:22,071 On July 5, 1784, Jefferson, his oldest daughter, Martha, 59 00:03:22,158 --> 00:03:24,073 and his enslaved chef, James Hemings, 60 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,379 arrive in Paris. 61 00:03:29,339 --> 00:03:32,734 It's the most opulent place he'd ever lived in. 62 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:35,345 He is in love with the architecture, 63 00:03:35,432 --> 00:03:37,391 and he talks about going to the Hotel de Salm 64 00:03:37,565 --> 00:03:39,436 and gazing at it like a lover at his mistress. 65 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:45,094 He bought all the wine, and he bought all the food. 66 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,531 Paris offered all the things 67 00:03:47,618 --> 00:03:51,013 that the real Jefferson really loved, 68 00:03:51,187 --> 00:03:54,843 music, theater, the arts. 69 00:03:54,973 --> 00:03:58,281 He sent home crates of stuff, 70 00:03:58,368 --> 00:04:00,501 paintings, books. 71 00:04:00,588 --> 00:04:04,113 This was a material, consumer engagement 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,377 with the City of Light. 73 00:04:07,508 --> 00:04:09,727 A lot of the things that define him 74 00:04:09,945 --> 00:04:11,990 and the qualities of his personality 75 00:04:12,121 --> 00:04:15,559 are best put to use precisely in an appointment 76 00:04:15,690 --> 00:04:19,911 like ambassador to France because Jefferson carries 77 00:04:19,998 --> 00:04:22,262 the influence of those intimate dinners 78 00:04:22,392 --> 00:04:25,830 of Virginia society forward into a dinner table diplomacy, 79 00:04:25,917 --> 00:04:28,050 where Jefferson saw how to work things out 80 00:04:28,180 --> 00:04:29,443 of small groups. 81 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:30,922 There's the interpersonal politics 82 00:04:31,053 --> 00:04:32,707 within a court context. 83 00:04:32,881 --> 00:04:34,839 There's no direct conflict. 84 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:39,279 There is a wooing of people around dinner tables. 85 00:04:39,409 --> 00:04:42,325 He hits his stride in France. 86 00:04:42,456 --> 00:04:44,632 While Jefferson expertly maneuvers 87 00:04:44,762 --> 00:04:47,548 around the French court, 88 00:04:47,678 --> 00:04:50,638 he still grieves the loss of his beloved wife 89 00:04:50,768 --> 00:04:54,337 and finds himself unable to connect again romantically. 90 00:04:54,511 --> 00:04:57,688 The French women were kind of scary to him. 91 00:04:59,734 --> 00:05:02,824 He saw the French men and women had adulterous affairs 92 00:05:02,911 --> 00:05:04,608 right and left. 93 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:08,699 And so he professed to be disappointed that marriage 94 00:05:08,786 --> 00:05:10,222 wasn't based on affection, 95 00:05:10,353 --> 00:05:13,574 as he believed it was in his world. 96 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:17,012 He says, young American men shouldn't come to France 97 00:05:17,142 --> 00:05:18,318 when they're too young because they're 98 00:05:18,448 --> 00:05:19,492 going to be seduced by women. 99 00:05:19,493 --> 00:05:20,798 They'll be corrupted. 100 00:05:20,929 --> 00:05:24,236 But if you're in your 40s, like me, it's OK 101 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:26,456 because we have enough republican fiber 102 00:05:26,543 --> 00:05:28,980 to resist this. 103 00:05:29,067 --> 00:05:33,028 But then he became involved with Maria Cosway, 104 00:05:33,115 --> 00:05:35,639 an artist who was married. 105 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:38,163 Maria's husband, Richard, served as the painter 106 00:05:38,294 --> 00:05:40,340 for the Prince of Wales. 107 00:05:40,514 --> 00:05:43,038 Unlike most of the women Jefferson had met, 108 00:05:43,212 --> 00:05:45,996 who never left rural Virginia, 109 00:05:45,997 --> 00:05:48,783 Maria is cultured and cosmopolitan. 110 00:05:48,913 --> 00:05:51,220 He becomes enamored of her. 111 00:05:53,483 --> 00:05:57,705 She spoke a musical mélange of languages. 112 00:05:59,881 --> 00:06:05,452 They went to museums together, went to the countryside, 113 00:06:05,626 --> 00:06:09,238 where they were able to spend time alone. 114 00:06:11,196 --> 00:06:15,679 And it is here that Jefferson fell on his right wrist 115 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:18,334 and fractured it. 116 00:06:18,465 --> 00:06:21,685 So as she was about to leave with her husband 117 00:06:21,772 --> 00:06:24,862 to England, Jefferson, who was by this time 118 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:27,996 tremendously smitten by her, 119 00:06:28,083 --> 00:06:33,870 he writes the famous 12-page "Head and Heart" letter. 120 00:06:33,871 --> 00:06:36,047 It must have taken him an entire day, 121 00:06:36,134 --> 00:06:40,095 writing painstakingly with his left hand. 122 00:06:41,966 --> 00:06:45,100 In the letter, Jefferson's heart pines for Cosway, 123 00:06:45,274 --> 00:06:46,884 while his head chastises his heart 124 00:06:47,102 --> 00:06:49,104 for forming emotional attachments 125 00:06:49,191 --> 00:06:51,976 that can only result in the pain of loss. 126 00:06:54,109 --> 00:06:58,374 "Head, well, friend, you seem to be in a pretty trim. 127 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:00,855 "Heart, I am indeed the most wretched 128 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:04,380 "of all earthly beings, overwhelmed with grief, 129 00:07:04,554 --> 00:07:06,948 "every fiber of my frame distended 130 00:07:07,078 --> 00:07:09,080 beyond its natural powers to bear." 131 00:07:10,995 --> 00:07:14,477 The heart disputes the head's formula, 132 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:18,350 saying, without one generous spasm of the heart, 133 00:07:18,525 --> 00:07:21,092 nothing is worth anything. 134 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:24,574 The heart wins the argument. 135 00:07:24,748 --> 00:07:29,449 All in all, it gives us a lot of intimate detail 136 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:33,235 about the way Jefferson perceived himself. 137 00:07:33,409 --> 00:07:37,761 It was a testament to his own capacity for feeling. 138 00:07:37,979 --> 00:07:39,850 And at some point, she writes to him, 139 00:07:39,981 --> 00:07:41,373 and he doesn't answer these letters 140 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:42,940 for long stretches of time. 141 00:07:43,114 --> 00:07:44,855 So he was infatuated with her, 142 00:07:44,986 --> 00:07:48,076 but it sort of cooled at some point. 143 00:07:48,163 --> 00:07:50,991 As Jefferson's feelings for Maria wane, 144 00:07:50,992 --> 00:07:53,995 he continues to wine and dine the French court. 145 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,868 Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, 146 00:07:58,042 --> 00:07:59,566 his fellow founding fathers 147 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:02,003 begin to debate what the laws and tenets 148 00:08:02,177 --> 00:08:04,919 of the new American government will be. 149 00:08:05,049 --> 00:08:09,924 And then in May 1787, 55 delegates from 12 states 150 00:08:10,011 --> 00:08:13,014 meet in Philadelphia at what will eventually be known 151 00:08:13,188 --> 00:08:15,277 as the Constitutional Convention. 152 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:19,716 Jefferson and John Adams miss it. 153 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:25,243 Adams is also serving as an ambassador overseas, 154 00:08:25,374 --> 00:08:27,985 getting loans from the Dutch and the British. 155 00:08:28,072 --> 00:08:30,161 Jefferson called the Constitutional Convention 156 00:08:30,292 --> 00:08:32,468 an assembly of demigods. 157 00:08:32,642 --> 00:08:34,644 One wonders--in the same way 158 00:08:34,731 --> 00:08:36,254 that we don't have tone in email, 159 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:38,953 we don't have tone in mail from the 18th century-- 160 00:08:39,127 --> 00:08:41,869 whether he was being sarcastic or not. 161 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:43,958 He's aware of what's going to happen, 162 00:08:44,088 --> 00:08:47,352 and he follows the events to the extent he can, 163 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:49,050 but it's very difficult because there's almost 164 00:08:49,267 --> 00:08:50,617 no information coming out of Philadelphia 165 00:08:50,791 --> 00:08:51,922 during the summer of 1787. 166 00:08:53,837 --> 00:08:56,448 Now, his relationship with his protege and ally, 167 00:08:56,579 --> 00:08:59,103 James Madison, was very, very close. 168 00:09:00,757 --> 00:09:03,238 And Madison is going to be the architect 169 00:09:03,325 --> 00:09:05,719 of the federal Constitution in Philadelphia. 170 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:10,419 So Jefferson plays an indirect but important role 171 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,552 via his correspondence with Madison, 172 00:09:12,726 --> 00:09:14,858 particularly sending him hundreds and hundreds of books 173 00:09:14,945 --> 00:09:17,034 relating to the history of republics, 174 00:09:17,165 --> 00:09:20,429 and confederacies, and constitutions. 175 00:09:20,516 --> 00:09:22,562 Jefferson's fear is they're going to be restoring 176 00:09:22,692 --> 00:09:24,302 monarchy to the United States. 177 00:09:24,476 --> 00:09:27,349 But, remember, this is a 4-mile-an-hour world. 178 00:09:27,523 --> 00:09:31,092 And Jefferson is receiving information from Madison, 179 00:09:31,266 --> 00:09:34,617 but the information is not happening overnight. 180 00:09:34,704 --> 00:09:38,229 It takes eight weeks to sail across the Atlantic. 181 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,319 And so when Madison sends him the Constitution, 182 00:09:41,406 --> 00:09:43,626 he's disappointed because Jefferson sort of says, 183 00:09:43,844 --> 00:09:46,629 well, meh, it's OK. 184 00:09:46,847 --> 00:09:48,892 Madison's saying, I'm tearing my hair out. 185 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:51,286 I sweated blood over this. 186 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:54,071 Jefferson says, well, it could be improved. 187 00:09:56,204 --> 00:09:58,772 And one of the reasons why Jefferson had mixed feelings 188 00:09:58,946 --> 00:10:02,210 about the Constitution is he didn't see 189 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:06,301 the Constitution as being essential to the creation 190 00:10:06,475 --> 00:10:08,129 of a more perfect union. 191 00:10:08,216 --> 00:10:10,740 In fact, he thought, if you got it wrong, 192 00:10:10,914 --> 00:10:14,004 it would actually drive the states apart. 193 00:10:14,178 --> 00:10:15,615 He's a little worried about the strength 194 00:10:15,789 --> 00:10:17,660 of the presidency. 195 00:10:17,791 --> 00:10:19,444 And he's very concerned about the absence 196 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:21,708 of a Bill of Rights. 197 00:10:21,882 --> 00:10:24,624 Jefferson is adamant that the government guarantee 198 00:10:24,754 --> 00:10:27,670 personal liberties, such as freedom of religion, 199 00:10:27,844 --> 00:10:31,674 freedom of the press, and trial by jury. 200 00:10:31,848 --> 00:10:34,024 The Bill of Rights, enshrining these values, 201 00:10:34,111 --> 00:10:39,290 will be ratified four years later in 1791. 202 00:10:39,421 --> 00:10:42,032 Jefferson also writes that constitutions 203 00:10:42,163 --> 00:10:43,555 should be temporary, and they shouldn't last 204 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:44,992 more than 19 years, 205 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:46,384 and every generation should govern itself. 206 00:10:48,865 --> 00:10:51,346 He says, how can you own a constitution 207 00:10:51,433 --> 00:10:56,481 from some dead generation from decades ago? 208 00:10:56,568 --> 00:10:58,527 But people like James Madison, 209 00:10:58,701 --> 00:11:02,357 who know how hard it was to work out a compromise, say, 210 00:11:02,531 --> 00:11:04,446 has this guy lost it? 211 00:11:04,533 --> 00:11:06,666 How is it possible that this person 212 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,233 doesn't realize how hard it is to create 213 00:11:09,364 --> 00:11:11,279 political compromise? 214 00:11:11,453 --> 00:11:12,628 So he says, you know, we could 215 00:11:12,802 --> 00:11:14,195 have a second convention. 216 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:16,414 But Madison and his fellow founders, 217 00:11:16,632 --> 00:11:19,591 they say, don't mess with it. 218 00:11:22,290 --> 00:11:26,033 The Constitution is ratified in September 1787. 219 00:11:26,163 --> 00:11:29,123 And eventually, Jefferson comes to support it. 220 00:11:31,429 --> 00:11:34,998 But as he comes to terms with its compromises, 221 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:38,349 across the Atlantic, a surprising visitor prepares 222 00:11:38,523 --> 00:11:40,395 for a life-changing journey. 223 00:11:48,359 --> 00:11:51,449 Throughout 1787, while the nuances 224 00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:56,237 of the new American laws are debated in the States, 225 00:11:56,411 --> 00:12:00,154 Jefferson continues to foster diplomatic relationships 226 00:12:00,284 --> 00:12:03,244 and raise his 15-year-old daughter in France. 227 00:12:05,072 --> 00:12:07,335 When Jefferson was sent to France, 228 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:10,425 he took with him his oldest daughter, Martha. 229 00:12:10,599 --> 00:12:13,123 But he left his two other daughters home. 230 00:12:15,822 --> 00:12:19,869 In 1784, his younger daughter, Lucy, 231 00:12:20,043 --> 00:12:21,958 died of smallpox. 232 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:26,963 And he is missing his other daughter, Maria. 233 00:12:29,052 --> 00:12:32,839 And so in 1787, Jefferson insists that his daughter 234 00:12:32,969 --> 00:12:34,841 Maria come to France. 235 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,932 And he says, "She should come 236 00:12:39,106 --> 00:12:41,717 with a careful Negro woman, such as Isabel." 237 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:44,938 And Isabel Hern was 28, 29, 238 00:12:45,068 --> 00:12:47,462 but she was pregnant at this time. 239 00:12:47,636 --> 00:12:50,813 And instead, they send Sally Hemings, 240 00:12:50,944 --> 00:12:53,903 who is at the time 14 years old. 241 00:12:56,906 --> 00:12:58,168 Sally Hemings' parents 242 00:12:58,255 --> 00:12:59,779 are Elizabeth Hemings, 243 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:00,867 who's an enslaved woman, 244 00:13:01,084 --> 00:13:02,042 a matriarch of the enslaved 245 00:13:02,216 --> 00:13:03,434 community at Monticello, 246 00:13:03,565 --> 00:13:05,219 and John Wayles, who was 247 00:13:05,393 --> 00:13:06,481 Thomas Jefferson's 248 00:13:06,655 --> 00:13:07,917 father-in-law. 249 00:13:08,091 --> 00:13:09,658 So that makes Sally Hemings, 250 00:13:09,876 --> 00:13:11,225 Martha Jefferson, 251 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:12,661 Thomas Jefferson's late wife, 252 00:13:12,835 --> 00:13:14,054 makes them half-sisters. 253 00:13:16,143 --> 00:13:18,275 So 14-year-old Sally Hemings, 254 00:13:18,406 --> 00:13:21,757 who has known Virginia her whole life, 255 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:25,413 is asked to be the company for young Maria Jefferson 256 00:13:25,587 --> 00:13:28,982 on this weeks at sea and then arrival in France. 257 00:13:32,115 --> 00:13:35,466 In July of 1787, Thomas Jefferson 258 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,686 and his eldest daughter, Martha, 259 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,340 welcome his eight-year-old daughter, 260 00:13:39,514 --> 00:13:43,213 Maria, and Sally Hemings to the City of Lights. 261 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:47,348 There will be dramatic changes 262 00:13:47,435 --> 00:13:50,220 in both his and Sally Hemings' personal life 263 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:52,483 during his time in Paris. 264 00:13:52,570 --> 00:13:54,485 When they get to Paris, Sally Hemings 265 00:13:54,616 --> 00:13:56,270 is very quickly thrust into a position 266 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,184 that many Americans, 267 00:13:58,185 --> 00:13:59,882 especially the enslaved people, 268 00:13:59,969 --> 00:14:01,623 were never in. 269 00:14:01,797 --> 00:14:04,756 She traveled over the ocean 270 00:14:04,887 --> 00:14:07,281 and into this unfamiliar territory. 271 00:14:07,411 --> 00:14:12,460 She'd come from an extremely rural place to a metropolis. 272 00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:17,421 Paris was a very active place. 273 00:14:17,508 --> 00:14:20,294 So it would have been a very exciting time for her 274 00:14:20,468 --> 00:14:22,078 but kind of scary. 275 00:14:23,688 --> 00:14:25,602 She's by herself. 276 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:28,345 She's got an older brother, but he's also hired out, 277 00:14:28,432 --> 00:14:29,738 training to become a professional chef. 278 00:14:31,348 --> 00:14:32,654 She can't speak French. 279 00:14:32,828 --> 00:14:34,177 And the only people that she knows 280 00:14:34,308 --> 00:14:36,310 are Jefferson and his daughters. 281 00:14:38,138 --> 00:14:40,967 And so her world in France would have been 282 00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:43,273 pretty confusing because Jefferson is attempting 283 00:14:43,404 --> 00:14:47,277 to conceal that he has enslaved people in France 284 00:14:47,408 --> 00:14:49,714 because French law actually prohibits 285 00:14:49,845 --> 00:14:51,891 enslaved people in the city. 286 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:57,635 Although slavery isn't officially outlawed in France 287 00:14:57,766 --> 00:15:02,336 until 1794, the Freedom Principle 288 00:15:02,466 --> 00:15:04,860 had long held that any enslaved person 289 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:08,864 who set foot on French soil was considered free. 290 00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:12,259 After the Enlightenment, 291 00:15:12,433 --> 00:15:14,609 slavery fell out of fashion in Paris. 292 00:15:14,783 --> 00:15:17,177 And the number of enslaved who sued for their freedom 293 00:15:17,307 --> 00:15:20,136 nearly doubled between 1762 294 00:15:20,267 --> 00:15:23,661 and when Sally Hemings arrives in 1787. 295 00:15:27,143 --> 00:15:31,974 Both of the Hemingses could have sued for their freedom. 296 00:15:33,976 --> 00:15:39,068 So Jefferson has to grapple with the rights 297 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:41,027 they have in France that they would 298 00:15:41,244 --> 00:15:45,205 not have in the United States. 299 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:48,425 Jefferson writes, saying that the law 300 00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:50,645 is on the side of the enslaved person. 301 00:15:50,775 --> 00:15:52,255 And there's nothing you can do if they 302 00:15:52,429 --> 00:15:54,214 find out that they are free. 303 00:15:56,129 --> 00:15:58,131 It will be difficult, if not impossible, 304 00:15:58,305 --> 00:16:01,003 to interrupt the course of the law. 305 00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:03,136 Nevertheless, I have known an instance 306 00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:04,964 where a person bringing in a slave 307 00:16:05,051 --> 00:16:07,444 and saying nothing about it has not been 308 00:16:07,618 --> 00:16:10,099 disturbed in his possession. 309 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:12,536 The person Jefferson refers to in the letter 310 00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:14,321 is of course himself. 311 00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:16,758 He can only hope that the language barrier 312 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:19,195 is enough to keep Sally and James unaware 313 00:16:19,326 --> 00:16:22,894 of their options while they're in France. 314 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:26,115 Because if she'd gone to the Admiralty Court and said, 315 00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:28,770 this man is trying to keep me from my freedom, 316 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:32,121 it would have been a disaster for his reputation. 317 00:16:32,252 --> 00:16:35,603 And Jefferson has his status as the apostle of liberty 318 00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:39,215 among all these other people who admire him in France. 319 00:16:39,389 --> 00:16:43,698 That would be damaged irrevocably if they knew 320 00:16:43,872 --> 00:16:46,353 he had enslaved people with him. 321 00:16:46,527 --> 00:16:49,530 That would have been a huge embarrassment. 322 00:16:49,747 --> 00:16:53,447 And so because he kept a record of every transaction 323 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:56,798 that he made, we know eventually 324 00:16:56,928 --> 00:17:00,323 he begins to pay wages because he understands 325 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:03,979 that it's a different status than if they were in Virginia. 326 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:07,243 And so at that point, she begins living a life 327 00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:09,506 that was unlike anything that she probably could 328 00:17:09,593 --> 00:17:11,465 have imagined before that time period. 329 00:17:13,641 --> 00:17:18,515 Sally Hemings becomes the maid for his daughters. 330 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,737 So she would have had to have been in society 331 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:24,782 accompanying her charges. 332 00:17:26,741 --> 00:17:28,569 But we don't really even know exactly 333 00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:30,962 what Sally is doing all day because the girls 334 00:17:31,093 --> 00:17:32,921 are in school. 335 00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:35,793 But we might extrapolate from research, 336 00:17:35,967 --> 00:17:38,579 she eventually went from being the lady's maid 337 00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:41,538 to Jefferson's daughters to being a chambermaid 338 00:17:41,625 --> 00:17:44,845 because she's being paid with the servants 339 00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:48,893 at the Hotel de Langeac, which is Jefferson's residence. 340 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:52,636 And then in 1789, when she's 16 years old, 341 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:57,206 Jefferson starts buying her a good amount of clothing. 342 00:17:57,293 --> 00:17:59,687 Before, he's just paying her the salary, 343 00:17:59,861 --> 00:18:03,865 but then he's buying clothes for her. 344 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:05,823 Jefferson's in his 40s. 345 00:18:05,997 --> 00:18:08,043 His wife has died. 346 00:18:08,130 --> 00:18:11,133 He is used to having people around him who tend his body, 347 00:18:11,307 --> 00:18:14,745 who dress him and undress him. 348 00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:17,008 It's clear that Sally and Jefferson 349 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,185 begin a sexual relationship. 350 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:28,715 When exactly Thomas Jefferson begins 351 00:18:28,716 --> 00:18:30,544 his sexual relationship 352 00:18:30,718 --> 00:18:33,677 with the enslaved Sally Hemings is unknown, 353 00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:36,463 but it is clear that the physical relationship 354 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:42,555 begins while she is in France, between 1787 and 1789, 355 00:18:42,556 --> 00:18:47,212 when she would have been between 14 and 16 years old. 356 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:54,916 There is no ethical landscape in our world today that says 357 00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:58,137 that a sexual relationship between a 40-year-old male 358 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:02,141 and a 16-year-old enslaved female is OK. 359 00:19:02,271 --> 00:19:04,665 It's an unequal power relationship. 360 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:06,971 That is absolutely certain. 361 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,843 But many people in early Virginia 362 00:19:09,844 --> 00:19:12,107 got married at the age of 16, men and women. 363 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:14,022 Some people got married younger. 364 00:19:14,196 --> 00:19:18,505 It was not the scandal in the 18th century 365 00:19:18,635 --> 00:19:21,420 that certainly it would be today. 366 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:22,987 It's hard for us. 367 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:24,859 This is so out of bounds, 368 00:19:25,076 --> 00:19:27,035 but it wasn't out of bounds at that time. 369 00:19:27,122 --> 00:19:28,689 I'm talking about the age part of it. 370 00:19:28,906 --> 00:19:31,169 The slavery part, that's always a problem. 371 00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:34,738 There has been much speculation 372 00:19:34,869 --> 00:19:37,915 about the nature of Sally and Jefferson's relationship. 373 00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:40,222 Many historians have presented theories 374 00:19:40,396 --> 00:19:42,920 that there was a deep affection between them, 375 00:19:43,051 --> 00:19:46,533 possibly even love. 376 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:49,797 Her grandchildren say Mr. Jefferson loved her dearly. 377 00:19:49,927 --> 00:19:52,408 They don't talk about what she felt about him. 378 00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:59,763 Does she feel flattered and adored? 379 00:19:59,894 --> 00:20:03,593 Or does she feel like she has no choice 380 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,204 because, after all, he owns her? 381 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,296 We don't know. 382 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:15,083 I think for somebody to say that it is a deep love affair 383 00:20:15,257 --> 00:20:18,869 is to make up a story 384 00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:21,785 because we don't have any evidence. 385 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,831 Sally Hemings, being an enslaved woman, 386 00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,485 could not have consented. 387 00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:27,704 She could not have refused his advances. 388 00:20:27,835 --> 00:20:29,402 There's a gross imbalance of power. 389 00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:33,841 To think about love and to think about things 390 00:20:33,971 --> 00:20:37,584 in that way without thinking about the vulnerability 391 00:20:37,714 --> 00:20:39,194 in the position that particularly 392 00:20:39,368 --> 00:20:41,283 enslaved women were in, 393 00:20:41,457 --> 00:20:43,938 it makes it a very, very fraught subject. 394 00:20:44,155 --> 00:20:47,071 And I don't know how we position a story 395 00:20:47,158 --> 00:20:50,510 that is rooted in such an exploitative relationship 396 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,294 as something benevolent, 397 00:20:52,425 --> 00:20:54,035 as something that was good for her. 398 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,866 As Jefferson navigates his complicated relationship 399 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,652 with Sally Hemings, unrest between France's 400 00:21:02,826 --> 00:21:05,133 sharply distinct classes escalates. 401 00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:10,834 In April 1789, the tension comes to a head 402 00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:14,751 when factory riots lead to the death of 25 people 403 00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:16,492 at the hands of police. 404 00:21:18,189 --> 00:21:20,366 In the wake of the American Revolution, 405 00:21:20,453 --> 00:21:23,369 Jefferson can see the signs of a burgeoning crisis 406 00:21:23,456 --> 00:21:26,502 in France and wants to understand its roots. 407 00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:31,725 Something was rotten in the state of France. 408 00:21:31,812 --> 00:21:34,467 This was a period of the crisis of the French monarchy. 409 00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:36,730 Things were not working all that well. 410 00:21:36,947 --> 00:21:40,037 The monopolies, the abuses of the French aristocracy, 411 00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:42,997 the barriers to free exchange, all of these things 412 00:21:43,084 --> 00:21:45,304 were impoverishing the French people. 413 00:21:49,046 --> 00:21:53,876 Jefferson at one point goes to visit a peasant's hovel. 414 00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:57,228 On one hand, he provides us with an account which explains 415 00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:58,708 the conditions that are going to lead 416 00:21:58,795 --> 00:22:00,231 to the French Revolution. 417 00:22:00,449 --> 00:22:01,842 On the other hand, think of this poor peasant 418 00:22:01,929 --> 00:22:04,671 who this ambassador is kind of examining 419 00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:06,716 his house as though he's visiting, you know, 420 00:22:06,803 --> 00:22:09,544 a scientific exhibit. 421 00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:12,069 Jefferson really believes that the more 422 00:22:12,243 --> 00:22:14,855 the economic interests of the government 423 00:22:14,985 --> 00:22:17,292 are aligned with the economic interests of elites, 424 00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:22,123 the more likely it is that the liberties and opportunities 425 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:24,908 for ordinary people to pursue life, liberty, and happiness 426 00:22:24,995 --> 00:22:27,083 would be limited. 427 00:22:27,084 --> 00:22:31,045 It's ironic because Jefferson was an elite member 428 00:22:31,132 --> 00:22:32,742 of the Virginia gentry. 429 00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:35,832 But he saw firsthand, French peasants 430 00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:41,707 barely had enough to eat while the elite lived in grandeur. 431 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:45,755 And for Jefferson, this was all proof 432 00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:50,281 that the old regime in Europe was corrupt, 433 00:22:50,456 --> 00:22:52,632 and America was better because poor people 434 00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:54,285 were better off in America, 435 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,331 if you don't factor in the enslaved people, of course. 436 00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:02,642 Then the revolutionary struggle becomes hotter, 437 00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:05,384 and hotter, and hotter, and sort of explodes. 438 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:11,128 In May 1789, the French Revolution officially 439 00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:15,176 begins when riots break out at the Etats Généraux, 440 00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:18,745 an assembly of representatives from the feuding classes. 441 00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:21,922 More than a hundred people are killed in the mayhem. 442 00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:23,663 The revolution was underway and would have 443 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:25,665 followed its course whether he'd been there or not, 444 00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:28,363 but he does host meetings with some of the revolutionaries. 445 00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:32,541 I mean, you can't escape it in Paris in 1789. 446 00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:35,109 Jefferson drafts a Charter of Rights 447 00:23:35,196 --> 00:23:37,807 with his friend, Marquis de Lafayette, 448 00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:41,376 a French aristocrat who fought in the American Revolution. 449 00:23:41,507 --> 00:23:45,511 In August, just a month after French insurgents stormed 450 00:23:45,598 --> 00:23:48,557 a medieval political prison known as the Bastille, 451 00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,777 Lafayette and other French liberals 452 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:54,433 meet secretly at Jefferson's home to discuss 453 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:57,305 a new French constitution. 454 00:23:57,392 --> 00:23:59,786 He says, "The Republican movement in France 455 00:23:59,873 --> 00:24:03,398 is a continuation of our revolution." 456 00:24:03,572 --> 00:24:06,227 So when other Americans are put off by the terror 457 00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:10,623 and because now there had been violence, Jefferson says, 458 00:24:10,753 --> 00:24:12,929 no, we've got to support this. 459 00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:16,367 This was part of a global movement for liberty. 460 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,851 But in September, five years after arriving in Paris, 461 00:24:22,069 --> 00:24:25,594 watching yet another violent revolution erupt around him, 462 00:24:25,768 --> 00:24:30,033 Jefferson wonders if it may be time to return home. 463 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,695 In September of 1789, 464 00:24:39,826 --> 00:24:43,046 as the French Revolution gains steam, 465 00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:46,920 Jefferson decides it's time to return home. 466 00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:50,358 When it's time to come home, Jefferson has the idea 467 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:53,579 that he's going to take Sally and her brother, 468 00:24:53,709 --> 00:24:55,929 James Hemings, back to Monticello with him. 469 00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:00,020 Despite Jefferson's best efforts 470 00:25:00,107 --> 00:25:01,891 to keep Sally and James in the dark 471 00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,414 about French slavery laws, 472 00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:06,200 they are both aware of the choices 473 00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:08,028 they now have. 474 00:25:08,158 --> 00:25:10,639 So the decision would have been, 475 00:25:10,857 --> 00:25:13,947 do you stay in France, where you have freedom? 476 00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:18,125 Or do you return to slavery in the States? 477 00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,694 Sally Hemings decides that she was free in France, 478 00:25:21,824 --> 00:25:25,349 she was enjoying herself, and she wanted to stay there. 479 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,744 But Jefferson pleads with Sally to return 480 00:25:28,831 --> 00:25:30,267 to Monticello with him. 481 00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:35,011 And so Jefferson is forced into a position 482 00:25:35,185 --> 00:25:38,972 of negotiating for what that relationship is going to be. 483 00:25:39,102 --> 00:25:41,017 Historians can't prove this. 484 00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:44,151 To produce documents with her name, 485 00:25:44,238 --> 00:25:46,457 telling people how he was going to take care of her, 486 00:25:46,632 --> 00:25:47,937 it would have been an admission. 487 00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:50,984 But this is one of the things that historians 488 00:25:51,071 --> 00:25:52,986 say is likely true. 489 00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:55,771 Jefferson promises her she would have a good life 490 00:25:55,902 --> 00:25:58,469 at Monticello and that any children she had 491 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,342 would be freed when they were 21. 492 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,736 She agrees to that. 493 00:26:03,866 --> 00:26:06,782 And she decides to come home with him. 494 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,613 I'm in awe of Sally Hemings, 495 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,268 the courage this young woman showed 496 00:26:14,355 --> 00:26:18,620 to stand up to the man who owned her, 497 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,318 to tell one of the most powerful people in the world 498 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:23,277 the terms on which she would do something. 499 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:28,151 Even though I imagine she knew once she comes back 500 00:26:28,238 --> 00:26:31,111 to Virginia he could say, nah, never mind, 501 00:26:31,285 --> 00:26:34,288 he could die, and it was a huge risk. 502 00:26:36,812 --> 00:26:38,379 And so people ask me all the time, 503 00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:40,163 well, why did she do that? 504 00:26:40,337 --> 00:26:42,035 But you have to think about choice 505 00:26:42,122 --> 00:26:44,907 under those circumstances. 506 00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:46,256 She was far from her mother. 507 00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:48,128 She was far from her family. 508 00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:52,393 It's not as simple as slavery or freedom. 509 00:26:55,004 --> 00:26:58,268 And I don't know that France would 510 00:26:58,399 --> 00:27:01,663 have been a real viable solution to her at the time. 511 00:27:03,534 --> 00:27:07,538 When the French Revolution is emerging in France, 512 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:11,847 what choices would she have had as a young Black woman 513 00:27:11,978 --> 00:27:13,370 not of an adult age? 514 00:27:13,544 --> 00:27:16,330 Where was she going to live in France, with whom? 515 00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:17,636 And that's a dilemma 516 00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:19,942 that a number of enslaved people faced, 517 00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:22,858 even when people were deciding whether to take their freedom 518 00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:25,644 or run away when they were in the United States. 519 00:27:25,818 --> 00:27:28,559 It's great to be free, but would you want 520 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:31,040 to be away from your family? 521 00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:37,133 Well, here's what some of the descendants and I feel. 522 00:27:37,264 --> 00:27:38,787 We don't know. There's no documentation. 523 00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:45,402 But we think that she wanted to come back. 524 00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,404 But she was really smart. 525 00:27:47,491 --> 00:27:51,974 And she thought, this man wants to be with me. 526 00:27:52,105 --> 00:27:54,629 And she exercised her own agency 527 00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:58,415 because, by the way, Sally Hemings was pregnant. 528 00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:09,688 In September 1789, 529 00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,560 Jefferson returns home to Virginia 530 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,911 with his enslaved mistress, Sally Hemings. 531 00:28:15,998 --> 00:28:18,914 When she's 17, Sally Hemings gives birth 532 00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:20,568 to her first child. 533 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:22,744 The child died. 534 00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:26,792 But her relations with Jefferson would continue. 535 00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:30,273 Jefferson moves Sally from enslaved quarters 536 00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:33,320 to a stone room below Monticello 537 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,583 so that she can be closer to his room 538 00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:38,237 in the main mansion. 539 00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:41,284 Sally negotiated with Jefferson 540 00:28:41,371 --> 00:28:43,069 an easier life for herself 541 00:28:43,156 --> 00:28:46,159 within Monticello's plantation system. 542 00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:48,727 And so Sally Hemings becomes a seamstress, 543 00:28:48,901 --> 00:28:51,207 which is relatively light labor compared 544 00:28:51,294 --> 00:28:54,167 to what other enslaved women would have been doing. 545 00:28:54,341 --> 00:28:57,474 Sally will occupy her quarters under Monticello 546 00:28:57,605 --> 00:29:00,042 for the next 40 years. 547 00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:02,218 Over the course of that time, 548 00:29:02,349 --> 00:29:04,917 she will bear six more children. 549 00:29:05,004 --> 00:29:07,658 Her children are able to remain with her, 550 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,009 which is different than a lot of enslaved women. 551 00:29:10,096 --> 00:29:12,533 And there's a lot more work that I think the Hemings 552 00:29:12,707 --> 00:29:15,188 are largely spared from because of their position 553 00:29:15,318 --> 00:29:17,625 within the enslaved community. 554 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,279 Was there hierarchy? 555 00:29:19,453 --> 00:29:21,716 Yes, there was hierarchy. 556 00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:25,198 We must always remember, members of the Hemings family 557 00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:28,288 were related to their owners. 558 00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:30,681 We know that other Hemings siblings were related 559 00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:32,683 to Jefferson's wife's father. 560 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,949 And, as a result, they were light-skinned people. 561 00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:41,083 In the 1790s, the Duke of Rochefoucauld 562 00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:42,693 comes to Monticello. 563 00:29:42,824 --> 00:29:45,740 And he reports that there are some members 564 00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:49,744 of the enslaved families who are just as white, 565 00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,181 if not even whiter, than he is. 566 00:29:54,836 --> 00:30:00,189 Yes, many of the enslaved people related to their owners 567 00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:02,104 had privileges. 568 00:30:02,191 --> 00:30:05,760 And so unfortunately, this idea 569 00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:09,503 that the lighter your skin is, 570 00:30:09,677 --> 00:30:15,030 the closer you are to privileged people continues 571 00:30:15,117 --> 00:30:16,945 to plague our society. 572 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,906 We need to challenge ourselves 573 00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:24,257 about our understanding about race and beauty 574 00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:27,129 and how it affects how we view history. 575 00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:30,611 Even though we embrace our multiculturalism today, 576 00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:35,397 we still do rank our multiculturalism. 577 00:30:35,398 --> 00:30:37,399 Our fascination with Sally Hemings 578 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,664 has a lot to do with our exoticism of her. 579 00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:44,407 If she had been an African woman 580 00:30:44,494 --> 00:30:49,151 unmixed by any European blood, I think that it might have 581 00:30:49,238 --> 00:30:53,634 been even more cause for consternation. 582 00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:58,769 She's accepted now as having been his mistress. 583 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:03,513 But I often wonder if it's not qualified by the fact 584 00:31:03,644 --> 00:31:07,909 that she is, by many standards, half white. 585 00:31:08,083 --> 00:31:13,436 I wonder if we would be able to accept him 586 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:16,351 having a sexual relationship with a woman 587 00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:18,224 who was not mixed race. 588 00:31:20,356 --> 00:31:23,142 While Jefferson settles into a quiet life 589 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:27,929 with Sally at Monticello, the new American government 590 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,584 under its first president is beginning 591 00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:33,500 to take shape without him. 592 00:31:38,809 --> 00:31:41,247 In April 1789, 593 00:31:41,334 --> 00:31:43,597 while Jefferson was still in Paris, 594 00:31:43,684 --> 00:31:47,340 his friend and fellow Virginian George Washington 595 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:50,343 had been sworn in as the first president 596 00:31:50,473 --> 00:31:52,388 of the United States. 597 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,391 And all of the most powerful voices of the revolution 598 00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:58,046 are vying for seats in his cabinet. 599 00:32:00,483 --> 00:32:04,312 Washington is a president without precedent. 600 00:32:04,313 --> 00:32:07,447 He is filling in the role of president 601 00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,971 with only the broadest outlines being established 602 00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:11,364 by the Constitution. 603 00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,888 He wants Jefferson to be secretary of state, 604 00:32:13,975 --> 00:32:16,064 particularly because Jefferson 605 00:32:16,195 --> 00:32:19,241 has all this international experience as a diplomat. 606 00:32:19,328 --> 00:32:23,680 But Washington has to beg Jefferson to take the job. 607 00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:27,249 And he sends James Madison to see him. 608 00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:29,686 He says, hey, are you going to accept this? 609 00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:33,647 And Jefferson says, I'm not sure. 610 00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:37,042 And Madison has to tell Washington to ask him again. 611 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,697 This is testimony to how highly Washington 612 00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:42,177 thought of Jefferson. 613 00:32:42,351 --> 00:32:43,744 He sort of bites his lip and writes to him again 614 00:32:43,918 --> 00:32:47,704 and says, please serve as secretary of state. 615 00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:50,229 The country really needs you. 616 00:32:50,316 --> 00:32:52,840 And Jefferson goes, well, if you really want me, 617 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,320 I guess I'll do it. 618 00:32:56,278 --> 00:33:00,369 Jefferson had intended to eventually return to France, 619 00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:04,721 but in March of 1790, he heads to the new U.S. capital 620 00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:08,421 in New York City to serve in America's first cabinet 621 00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:11,380 alongside his soon-to-be rival, 622 00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:14,688 Revolutionary War hero Alexander Hamilton. 623 00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:19,084 Hamilton, Washington's young aide de camp, 624 00:33:19,214 --> 00:33:21,912 is tapped as Treasury secretary. 625 00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,741 Now, Hamilton and Jefferson famously feuded 626 00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:26,917 throughout most of their adult life. 627 00:33:27,048 --> 00:33:29,181 And one of Hamilton's attacks on Jefferson 628 00:33:29,355 --> 00:33:33,794 was that he was an elite who talked about populism. 629 00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:36,057 And Jefferson looked down on Hamilton 630 00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:37,493 as an immigrant upstart. 631 00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:40,235 Fundamentally, each believes the other 632 00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:43,804 represents an existential threat to the republic. 633 00:33:45,284 --> 00:33:46,849 Hamilton believes that Jefferson 634 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:49,766 wants to overthrow all order. 635 00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,986 Jefferson believes that Hamilton is restoring 636 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:54,162 monarchy to the United States. 637 00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:56,686 Jefferson is horrified to realize 638 00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:59,298 that the system of government that has been set up 639 00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:02,649 while he was in France seems to be heading 640 00:34:02,736 --> 00:34:05,478 towards more centralized power, 641 00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:09,395 what he sees as a more British direction, 642 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:12,050 in particular in Hamilton's plan 643 00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:14,008 to centralize the federal Treasury 644 00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:17,446 and to begin accumulating debt to build the United States. 645 00:34:19,796 --> 00:34:21,581 Hamilton's financial plan, 646 00:34:21,668 --> 00:34:23,757 which is modeled on the Bank of England, 647 00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:26,194 is to consolidate one national debt 648 00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:30,894 that the Treasury controls and the government repays. 649 00:34:30,981 --> 00:34:33,767 It's a system built on a recognizable British model, 650 00:34:33,854 --> 00:34:36,465 and Jefferson hates that. 651 00:34:36,596 --> 00:34:40,165 And he also wants to get the cabinet out of New York. 652 00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:41,992 He doesn't like cities. 653 00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:44,212 He doesn't like New York City. 654 00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:48,042 He believes cities were sources of corruption. 655 00:34:48,173 --> 00:34:49,478 They were sources of inequality. 656 00:34:49,652 --> 00:34:51,480 The residents of cities, in his view, 657 00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:54,309 didn't make good citizens. 658 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,963 He wants to move the center of gravity 659 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,878 further towards the south. 660 00:34:58,008 --> 00:35:01,099 And so one of the great critical compromises 661 00:35:01,273 --> 00:35:03,971 in American history is where, 662 00:35:04,058 --> 00:35:06,321 over dinner at Jefferson's house, 663 00:35:06,452 --> 00:35:09,846 he brings together Madison and Hamilton 664 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:12,284 and negotiates moving the capital 665 00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:15,156 down to Virginia area off the Potomac, 666 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:17,985 but accepting Hamilton's financial plan 667 00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:20,248 for a more centralized financial system. 668 00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:24,209 But the banking center will remain in New York. 669 00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:25,732 In the infamous room where it happened, 670 00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:27,777 they both got what they most wanted. 671 00:35:27,864 --> 00:35:29,344 And it ends up being a pretty good trade 672 00:35:29,431 --> 00:35:30,737 in the fullness of time. 673 00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:32,782 And so there was an opportunity there 674 00:35:32,913 --> 00:35:35,263 when they did work together productively. 675 00:35:35,394 --> 00:35:38,614 But you get that sense of the seeds of disagreement 676 00:35:38,788 --> 00:35:41,313 that will really rupture. 677 00:35:41,487 --> 00:35:43,880 And the differences between Hamilton and Jefferson 678 00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:46,405 will quickly spread beyond the cabinet room 679 00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:48,929 to the public at large. 680 00:35:49,059 --> 00:35:51,453 Despite their successful compromise, 681 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:54,761 Jefferson and Hamilton continue to clash. 682 00:35:54,891 --> 00:35:59,157 And in this divide, America's two-party political system 683 00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:01,246 is born. 684 00:36:01,376 --> 00:36:05,554 Supporters of Hamilton become known as the Federalists. 685 00:36:05,728 --> 00:36:07,817 They support centralized government, 686 00:36:08,035 --> 00:36:11,212 a national bank, alliance with Britain, 687 00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:14,911 and an economy based on merchants and trade. 688 00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:17,217 Supporters of Jefferson become 689 00:36:17,218 --> 00:36:19,306 the Democratic Republican Party. 690 00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:22,267 They support states' rights, strict interpretation 691 00:36:22,354 --> 00:36:25,661 of the Constitution, an agricultural economy, 692 00:36:25,748 --> 00:36:28,708 and an alliance with France. 693 00:36:28,795 --> 00:36:30,840 It's hard for us to imagine just how 694 00:36:31,014 --> 00:36:32,973 acrimonious the 1790s were. 695 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,456 You really had two opposing parties form, 696 00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:41,024 each of whom thought that if the other group had power, 697 00:36:41,111 --> 00:36:43,897 the American experiment would fail. 698 00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:45,506 Jefferson and Hamilton seem 699 00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:46,856 to be fighting over everything. 700 00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:48,641 And Jefferson is telling Washington, 701 00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:50,686 look, Hamilton's out to get you. 702 00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:52,514 Hamilton's going to overthrow the republic 703 00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:54,081 and institute a monarchy. 704 00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:55,822 And Washington is saying, no, he's not going to do that. 705 00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:59,217 Jefferson thought that Washington 706 00:36:59,347 --> 00:37:00,783 would side with him, naturally, 707 00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:02,698 because they're both Virginians. 708 00:37:02,785 --> 00:37:05,353 But Hamilton and Washington had been through the war together, 709 00:37:05,484 --> 00:37:06,528 and Jefferson had not been. 710 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:08,182 He admired Washington. 711 00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:11,881 And he wanted to be the favored son of Washington. 712 00:37:12,012 --> 00:37:13,753 And that didn't happen. 713 00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:26,591 In 1793, as the American government is taking shape, 714 00:37:26,592 --> 00:37:29,334 Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI 715 00:37:29,464 --> 00:37:32,772 are brutally executed in France. 716 00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:35,078 And once again, Thomas Jefferson 717 00:37:35,209 --> 00:37:38,560 and Alexander Hamilton find themselves on opposite sides 718 00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:40,040 of the political fence. 719 00:37:41,694 --> 00:37:44,262 The whole world was fighting with itself 720 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:46,916 in the 1790s in the wake of the French Revolution. 721 00:37:47,047 --> 00:37:51,051 And the reverberations of the bloodbath 722 00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:52,966 in France were felt in America. 723 00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:57,362 Jefferson feels the French Revolution is being 724 00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,886 inspired by America's example. 725 00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:02,497 And they topple their king, so much the better, 726 00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:04,282 despite the fact that the king is the person 727 00:38:04,412 --> 00:38:05,892 who'd bailed out the United States 728 00:38:05,979 --> 00:38:07,763 during the Revolutionary War. 729 00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:10,940 And Jefferson's idealism in this regard, 730 00:38:11,027 --> 00:38:14,814 his radicalism becomes a little bloody. 731 00:38:15,031 --> 00:38:18,774 The statements he makes excusing the excesses, 732 00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:21,299 the mob in the French Revolution, 733 00:38:21,473 --> 00:38:24,040 are pretty close to indefensible. 734 00:38:25,564 --> 00:38:28,349 He writes one of his most infamous letters 735 00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:32,005 in response to the French Revolution. 736 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:34,312 My own affections have been deeply wounded 737 00:38:34,529 --> 00:38:37,315 by some of the martyrs to this cause. 738 00:38:37,402 --> 00:38:39,621 But rather than it should have failed, 739 00:38:39,752 --> 00:38:42,885 I would have seen half the Earth desolated. 740 00:38:42,972 --> 00:38:46,411 Were there but an Adam and an Eve left in every country 741 00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:51,067 and left free, it would be better than as it is now. 742 00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:53,592 It doesn't quite say, you need to break 743 00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,507 a few eggs to make an omelet, 744 00:38:55,681 --> 00:38:57,552 but that's kind of the thinking. 745 00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,728 He is fine with a bunch of heads 746 00:38:59,902 --> 00:39:01,730 rolling down in the wake of a guillotine. 747 00:39:01,861 --> 00:39:04,167 He's an ends-just-the-means kind of guy 748 00:39:04,254 --> 00:39:06,431 when it comes to liberty. 749 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:10,435 But Washington, Hamilton, Adams 750 00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:14,177 are much more concerned that anarchy can turn 751 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,702 into a new type of tyranny. 752 00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:19,966 Washington declares a policy of strict neutrality. 753 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,621 He says, we are not going to get dragged 754 00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:24,274 into continental squabbles. 755 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:26,929 We are going to focus on building our own strength, 756 00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:30,063 economically and militarily, and expanding and solidifying 757 00:39:30,237 --> 00:39:32,892 our new nation. 758 00:39:32,979 --> 00:39:35,547 Jefferson is secretary of state, 759 00:39:35,677 --> 00:39:40,247 but he disagrees with his government's foreign policy. 760 00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:42,510 Jefferson crucially sees neutrality 761 00:39:42,684 --> 00:39:45,948 as aligning the United States with the British 762 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,257 and is a betrayal of this idea of an empire of liberty. 763 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,434 And so Jefferson starts to engage 764 00:39:53,521 --> 00:39:56,350 in sort of really kind of dirty politics. 765 00:39:56,524 --> 00:39:58,744 So there's the "Gazette of the United States," 766 00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:02,661 which is a proadministration organ. 767 00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:07,666 And Jefferson thinks it needs a counterpoint. 768 00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:11,452 And so there's a critical excursion up the Hudson River 769 00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:14,673 that Jefferson takes with Madison. 770 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,327 They stop off and recruit a newspaper editor 771 00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:19,373 named Philip Freneau, who had gone to college 772 00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:21,680 at Princeton with Madison, 773 00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:26,119 to be the editor of a new opposition newspaper. 774 00:40:26,293 --> 00:40:27,816 Philip Freneau hates the British. 775 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:30,210 He'd been briefly captured by them during the war. 776 00:40:30,297 --> 00:40:31,646 But he says, you know what? 777 00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:33,474 I can't make enough money running a newspaper. 778 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:35,911 Jefferson says, don't worry about it. 779 00:40:36,042 --> 00:40:39,262 We'll hire you in the State Department as a translator. 780 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:43,005 So Jefferson is serving in the cabinet 781 00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:45,312 as secretary of state, 782 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:47,749 furious about a foreign policy he doesn't support. 783 00:40:47,836 --> 00:40:49,403 But not only doesn't he support it, 784 00:40:49,534 --> 00:40:53,754 he's actively trying to subvert it by funding and incubating 785 00:40:53,755 --> 00:40:57,933 a new newspaper whose sole purpose is to attack 786 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,240 the foreign policy of the government 787 00:41:00,414 --> 00:41:02,590 that he is serving as secretary of state in. 788 00:41:04,244 --> 00:41:06,855 It's close to treasonous. 789 00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:09,641 In any other context, it would be called just that. 790 00:41:09,815 --> 00:41:12,426 And it is driving Washington nuts 791 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,951 to see himself being attacked in the press. 792 00:41:16,082 --> 00:41:20,042 But Hamilton also sponsors a newspaper, 793 00:41:20,216 --> 00:41:23,002 which is basically the party organ 794 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,700 of the Treasury Department. 795 00:41:25,787 --> 00:41:29,443 And so what we see is the media being used 796 00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:31,880 to mobilize political opinion in the United States 797 00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:34,709 for the first time. 798 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,581 They're starting two political parties 799 00:41:36,668 --> 00:41:37,886 under the nose of Washington 800 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,193 and against his express wishes. 801 00:41:40,323 --> 00:41:42,543 Washington was not a member of a political party 802 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:44,197 as a matter of principle, 803 00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:46,547 our first and only independent president. 804 00:41:46,634 --> 00:41:49,376 The hope was that people in Congress 805 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:51,204 would represent their conscience 806 00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:53,249 and their constituents, 807 00:41:53,336 --> 00:41:56,209 that they could do this without retreating to faction. 808 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,301 In 1793, George Washington begins 809 00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:03,651 his second term as president. 810 00:42:03,782 --> 00:42:06,741 And he, his vice president, John Adams, 811 00:42:06,828 --> 00:42:09,527 and secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, 812 00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:11,877 continue on with the Federalist initiative 813 00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:14,096 for international neutrality 814 00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,273 and a centralized federal government. 815 00:42:17,404 --> 00:42:19,972 And so Jefferson concludes that he's 816 00:42:20,146 --> 00:42:22,235 always the odd man out. 817 00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:25,151 He feels that he's not getting anything accomplished 818 00:42:25,281 --> 00:42:28,371 and that Washington isn't listening to him anymore. 819 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:31,331 He eventually resigns in a huff. 820 00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:37,598 In December 1793, Jefferson retires once more 821 00:42:37,816 --> 00:42:40,514 to Monticello as the country falls deeper 822 00:42:40,688 --> 00:42:43,125 into political divide. 823 00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:46,955 Just 20 years after the Sons of Liberty threw 46 tons 824 00:42:47,129 --> 00:42:50,393 of tea into Boston Harbor, the new nation appears 825 00:42:50,524 --> 00:42:53,919 to be charging toward Civil War. 826 00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:57,096 And despite Thomas Jefferson's best efforts to remove himself 827 00:42:57,183 --> 00:43:00,142 from the fight, he will soon be thrust 828 00:43:00,273 --> 00:43:02,188 right back onto the front lines 829 00:43:02,318 --> 00:43:04,190 of dirty partisan politics. 65422

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