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Previously on
"Thomas Jefferson"...
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In 1779, when the war
is making its way south,
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Thomas Jefferson
is elected governor
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of the new Commonwealth
of Virginia.
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It's a chess match.
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British want to capture
the governor of Virginia.
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Jefferson is the prize.
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And then Jefferson
has to flee.
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The citizens of Virginia
think he's left his duty
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at the moment of great peril.
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Which led him
to a lifetime of regret
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about what he had left undone
in those governor years.
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So the revolution ends
after the Battle of Yorktown.
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And he's disillusioned
and exits public life
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to live with his family.
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But he can't just stay home.
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Somewhere he has to be part
of creating a new world.
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In September 1783,
Benjamin Franklin, John Adams,
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and John Jay signed
the Treaty of Paris
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in the city
for which it is named.
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The agreement effectively
ends the Revolutionary War
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and catapults the new
United States of America
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onto the world stage.
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But while his fellow
forefathers established
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diplomatic ties overseas,
Thomas Jefferson
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remains at Monticello,
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mourning the tragic loss
of his wife.
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This is a blow which
is very, very difficult
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for him to recover from,
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but in an attempt
to save their friend,
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his friends in Virginia,
particularly James Madison,
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arrange for him to be posted
as a diplomat abroad.
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Paris is very attractive
to Jefferson in many respects
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because, as somebody
who considers himself
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an enlightened philosophe
and as somebody
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who studied French
throughout his life,
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France held a special place
in Jefferson's heart.
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And so Jefferson goes
to get the French
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to go all in to support
this upstart idea
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of the United States
of America.
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Because France is also
important diplomatically.
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Britain would like to separate
the United States from France,
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and the French
are aware of this.
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So it's an interesting
moment for him
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to serve as a diplomat.
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He arrives at the court
of Louis XVI
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and Marie Antoinette
at a point
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when that court is the most
important court in Europe.
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And it's characterized
by excesses and glamour.
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But there's a great deal
of unease and discord
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really brewing.
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We're a few years off
from the French Revolution,
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but the underlying causes
of that revolution,
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the disparities of wealth,
are there.
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Paris is alive at this point
with revolutionary fervor.
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When he gets to Paris,
we are on the cusp
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of a world-changing event.
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On July 5, 1784, Jefferson,
his oldest daughter, Martha,
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and his enslaved chef,
James Hemings,
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arrive in Paris.
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It's the most opulent place
he'd ever lived in.
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He is in love
with the architecture,
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and he talks about going
to the Hotel de Salm
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and gazing at it like
a lover at his mistress.
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He bought all the wine,
and he bought all the food.
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Paris offered all the things
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that the real Jefferson
really loved,
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music, theater, the arts.
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He sent home crates of stuff,
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paintings, books.
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This was a material,
consumer engagement
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with the City of Light.
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A lot of the things
that define him
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and the qualities
of his personality
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are best put to use precisely
in an appointment
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like ambassador to France
because Jefferson carries
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the influence
of those intimate dinners
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of Virginia society forward
into a dinner table diplomacy,
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where Jefferson saw how
to work things out
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of small groups.
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There's
the interpersonal politics
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within a court context.
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There's no direct conflict.
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There is a wooing of people
around dinner tables.
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He hits his stride in France.
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While Jefferson
expertly maneuvers
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around the French court,
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he still grieves the loss
of his beloved wife
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and finds himself unable
to connect again romantically.
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The French women
were kind of scary to him.
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He saw the French men and
women had adulterous affairs
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right and left.
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And so he professed to be
disappointed that marriage
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wasn't based on affection,
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as he believed it was
in his world.
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He says, young American men
shouldn't come to France
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when they're too young
because they're
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going to be seduced by women.
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They'll be corrupted.
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But if you're in your 40s,
like me, it's OK
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because we have
enough republican fiber
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to resist this.
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But then he became
involved with Maria Cosway,
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an artist who was married.
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Maria's husband, Richard,
served as the painter
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for the Prince of Wales.
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Unlike most of the women
Jefferson had met,
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who never left rural Virginia,
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Maria is cultured
and cosmopolitan.
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He becomes enamored of her.
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She spoke a musical
mélange of languages.
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They went to museums together,
went to the countryside,
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where they were able
to spend time alone.
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And it is here that Jefferson
fell on his right wrist
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and fractured it.
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So as she was about
to leave with her husband
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to England, Jefferson,
who was by this time
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tremendously smitten by her,
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he writes the famous 12-page
"Head and Heart" letter.
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It must have taken him
an entire day,
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writing painstakingly
with his left hand.
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In the letter, Jefferson's
heart pines for Cosway,
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while his head
chastises his heart
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for forming
emotional attachments
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that can only result
in the pain of loss.
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"Head, well, friend, you
seem to be in a pretty trim.
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"Heart, I am indeed
the most wretched
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"of all earthly beings,
overwhelmed with grief,
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"every fiber
of my frame distended
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beyond its natural
powers to bear."
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The heart disputes
the head's formula,
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saying, without one generous
spasm of the heart,
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nothing is worth anything.
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The heart wins the argument.
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All in all, it gives us
a lot of intimate detail
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about the way
Jefferson perceived himself.
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It was a testament to
his own capacity for feeling.
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And at some point,
she writes to him,
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and he doesn't
answer these letters
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for long stretches of time.
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So he was infatuated with her,
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but it sort of cooled
at some point.
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As Jefferson's
feelings for Maria wane,
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he continues to wine and dine
the French court.
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Meanwhile,
across the Atlantic,
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his fellow founding fathers
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begin to debate
what the laws and tenets
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of the new American
government will be.
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And then in May 1787,
55 delegates from 12 states
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meet in Philadelphia at what
will eventually be known
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as the Constitutional
Convention.
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Jefferson
and John Adams miss it.
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Adams is also serving
as an ambassador overseas,
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getting loans
from the Dutch and the British.
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Jefferson called
the Constitutional Convention
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an assembly of demigods.
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One wonders--in the same way
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that we don't
have tone in email,
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we don't have tone
in mail from the 18th century--
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whether he was being
sarcastic or not.
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He's aware of what's
going to happen,
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and he follows the events
to the extent he can,
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but it's very difficult
because there's almost
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no information coming
out of Philadelphia
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during the summer of 1787.
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Now, his relationship
with his protege and ally,
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James Madison,
was very, very close.
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And Madison is going
to be the architect
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of the federal Constitution
in Philadelphia.
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So Jefferson plays
an indirect but important role
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via his correspondence
with Madison,
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particularly sending him
hundreds and hundreds of books
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relating to the history
of republics,
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and confederacies,
and constitutions.
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Jefferson's fear is
they're going to be restoring
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monarchy to the United States.
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But, remember,
this is a 4-mile-an-hour world.
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And Jefferson is receiving
information from Madison,
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but the information is
not happening overnight.
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It takes eight weeks
to sail across the Atlantic.
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And so when Madison
sends him the Constitution,
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he's disappointed because
Jefferson sort of says,
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well, meh, it's OK.
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Madison's saying,
I'm tearing my hair out.
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I sweated blood over this.
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Jefferson says,
well, it could be improved.
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And one of the reasons why
Jefferson had mixed feelings
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about the Constitution
is he didn't see
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the Constitution as being
essential to the creation
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of a more perfect union.
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In fact, he thought,
if you got it wrong,
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it would actually drive
the states apart.
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He's a little worried
about the strength
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of the presidency.
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And he's very concerned
about the absence
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of a Bill of Rights.
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Jefferson is adamant
that the government guarantee
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personal liberties,
such as freedom of religion,
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freedom of the press,
and trial by jury.
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The Bill of Rights,
enshrining these values,
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will be ratified
four years later in 1791.
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Jefferson also writes
that constitutions
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should be temporary,
and they shouldn't last
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more than 19 years,
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and every generation
should govern itself.
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He says, how can
you own a constitution
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from some dead generation
from decades ago?
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But people
like James Madison,
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who know how hard it was
to work out a compromise, say,
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has this guy lost it?
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How is it possible
that this person
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doesn't realize how
hard it is to create
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political compromise?
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So he says,
you know, we could
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have a second convention.
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But Madison
and his fellow founders,
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they say, don't mess with it.
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The Constitution is
ratified in September 1787.
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And eventually,
Jefferson comes to support it.
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But as he comes to terms
with its compromises,
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across the Atlantic,
a surprising visitor prepares
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for a life-changing journey.
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Throughout 1787,
while the nuances
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of the new American laws
are debated in the States,
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Jefferson continues to foster
diplomatic relationships
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and raise his 15-year-old
daughter in France.
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When Jefferson
was sent to France,
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he took with him
his oldest daughter, Martha.
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But he left his two
other daughters home.
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In 1784,
his younger daughter, Lucy,
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died of smallpox.
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And he is missing
his other daughter, Maria.
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And so in 1787, Jefferson
insists that his daughter
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Maria come to France.
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And he says,
"She should come
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with a careful Negro woman,
such as Isabel."
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And Isabel Hern was 28, 29,
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but she was pregnant
at this time.
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And instead,
they send Sally Hemings,
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who is at the time
14 years old.
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Sally Hemings' parents
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are Elizabeth Hemings,
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who's an enslaved woman,
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a matriarch of the enslaved
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community at Monticello,
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and John Wayles, who was
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Thomas Jefferson's
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father-in-law.
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So that makes Sally Hemings,
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Martha Jefferson,
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Thomas Jefferson's late wife,
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makes them half-sisters.
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So 14-year-old
Sally Hemings,
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who has known Virginia
her whole life,
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is asked to be the company
for young Maria Jefferson
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on this weeks at sea
and then arrival in France.
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In July of 1787,
Thomas Jefferson
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and his eldest daughter,
Martha,
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welcome his eight-year-old daughter,
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Maria, and Sally Hemings
to the City of Lights.
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There will be
dramatic changes
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in both his and Sally Hemings'
personal life
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during his time in Paris.
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When they get to Paris,
Sally Hemings
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is very quickly thrust
into a position
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that many Americans,
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especially the enslaved people,
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were never in.
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She traveled over the ocean
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and into this
unfamiliar territory.
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She'd come from an extremely
rural place to a metropolis.
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Paris was a very active place.
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So it would have been
a very exciting time for her
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but kind of scary.
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She's by herself.
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She's got an older brother,
but he's also hired out,
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training to become
a professional chef.
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She can't speak French.
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And the only people
that she knows
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are Jefferson
and his daughters.
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And so her world in France
would have been
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pretty confusing
because Jefferson is attempting
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to conceal that he
has enslaved people in France
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because French law
actually prohibits
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enslaved people in the city.
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Although slavery isn't
officially outlawed in France
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until 1794,
the Freedom Principle
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had long held
that any enslaved person
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who set foot on French soil
was considered free.
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After the Enlightenment,
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slavery fell
out of fashion in Paris.
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And the number of enslaved
who sued for their freedom
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nearly doubled between 1762
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and when Sally Hemings
arrives in 1787.
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Both of the Hemingses could
have sued for their freedom.
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So Jefferson has
to grapple with the rights
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they have in France
that they would
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not have in the United States.
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Jefferson writes,
saying that the law
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is on the side
of the enslaved person.
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And there's nothing
you can do if they
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find out that they are free.
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It will be difficult,
if not impossible,
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to interrupt the course
of the law.
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Nevertheless,
I have known an instance
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where a person
bringing in a slave
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and saying nothing
about it has not been
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disturbed in his possession.
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The person Jefferson
refers to in the letter
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is of course himself.
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He can only hope
that the language barrier
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is enough to keep
Sally and James unaware
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of their options
while they're in France.
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Because if she'd gone to
the Admiralty Court and said,
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this man is trying
to keep me from my freedom,
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it would have been a disaster
for his reputation.
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And Jefferson has his status
as the apostle of liberty
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among all these other people
who admire him in France.
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That would be damaged
irrevocably if they knew
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he had enslaved people
with him.
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That would have been
a huge embarrassment.
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And so because he kept
a record of every transaction
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that he made,
we know eventually
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he begins to pay wages
because he understands
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that it's a different status
than if they were in Virginia.
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And so at that point,
she begins living a life
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that was unlike anything
that she probably could
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have imagined
before that time period.
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Sally Hemings becomes
the maid for his daughters.
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So she would have had
to have been in society
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accompanying her charges.
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But we don't
really even know exactly
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what Sally is doing all day
because the girls
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are in school.
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But we might extrapolate
from research,
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she eventually went
from being the lady's maid
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to Jefferson's daughters
to being a chambermaid
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because she's being paid
with the servants
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at the Hotel de Langeac,
which is Jefferson's residence.
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And then in 1789,
when she's 16 years old,
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Jefferson starts buying her
a good amount of clothing.
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Before, he's just
paying her the salary,
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but then he's
buying clothes for her.
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Jefferson's in his 40s.
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His wife has died.
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He is used to having people
around him who tend his body,
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who dress him and undress him.
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It's clear
that Sally and Jefferson
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begin a sexual relationship.
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When exactly
Thomas Jefferson begins
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his sexual relationship
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with the enslaved
Sally Hemings is unknown,
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but it is clear
that the physical relationship
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begins while she is in France,
between 1787 and 1789,
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when she would have been
between 14 and 16 years old.
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There is no ethical landscape
in our world today that says
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that a sexual relationship
between a 40-year-old male
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and a 16-year-old
enslaved female is OK.
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It's an unequal
power relationship.
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That is absolutely certain.
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But many people
in early Virginia
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got married at the age of 16,
men and women.
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Some people got
married younger.
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It was not the scandal
in the 18th century
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that certainly it
would be today.
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It's hard for us.
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This is so out of bounds,
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but it wasn't out of bounds
at that time.
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I'm talking
about the age part of it.
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The slavery part,
that's always a problem.
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There has been
much speculation
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about the nature of Sally
and Jefferson's relationship.
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Many historians have
presented theories
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that there was a deep
affection between them,
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possibly even love.
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Her grandchildren say
Mr. Jefferson loved her dearly.
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They don't talk
about what she felt about him.
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Does she feel
flattered and adored?
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Or does she feel like
she has no choice
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because,
after all, he owns her?
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We don't know.
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I think for somebody to say
that it is a deep love affair
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is to make up a story
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because we don't have
any evidence.
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Sally Hemings,
being an enslaved woman,
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could not have consented.
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She could not have
refused his advances.
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There's a gross imbalance
of power.
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To think about love
and to think about things
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in that way without thinking
about the vulnerability
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in the position
that particularly
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enslaved women were in,
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it makes it a very,
very fraught subject.
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And I don't know how
we position a story
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that is rooted in such
an exploitative relationship
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as something benevolent,
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as something
that was good for her.
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As Jefferson navigates
his complicated relationship
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with Sally Hemings,
unrest between France's
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sharply distinct classes
escalates.
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00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:10,834
In April 1789,
the tension comes to a head
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00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:14,751
when factory riots lead
to the death of 25 people
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at the hands of police.
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00:21:18,189 --> 00:21:20,366
In the wake
of the American Revolution,
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00:21:20,453 --> 00:21:23,369
Jefferson can see the signs
of a burgeoning crisis
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in France and wants
to understand its roots.
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00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:31,725
Something was rotten
in the state of France.
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00:21:31,812 --> 00:21:34,467
This was a period of the
crisis of the French monarchy.
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00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:36,730
Things were not
working all that well.
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00:21:36,947 --> 00:21:40,037
The monopolies, the abuses
of the French aristocracy,
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00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:42,997
the barriers to free exchange,
all of these things
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were impoverishing
the French people.
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Jefferson at one point goes
to visit a peasant's hovel.
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00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:57,228
On one hand, he provides us
with an account which explains
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the conditions
that are going to lead
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to the French Revolution.
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On the other hand,
think of this poor peasant
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who this ambassador
is kind of examining
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his house as though
he's visiting, you know,
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00:22:06,803 --> 00:22:09,544
a scientific exhibit.
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00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:12,069
Jefferson really believes
that the more
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the economic interests
of the government
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are aligned with the economic
interests of elites,
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the more likely it is that
the liberties and opportunities
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00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:24,908
for ordinary people to pursue
life, liberty, and happiness
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would be limited.
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00:22:27,084 --> 00:22:31,045
It's ironic because Jefferson
was an elite member
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of the Virginia gentry.
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00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:35,832
But he saw firsthand,
French peasants
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00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:41,707
barely had enough to eat while
the elite lived in grandeur.
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00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:45,755
And for Jefferson,
this was all proof
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00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:50,281
that the old regime
in Europe was corrupt,
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00:22:50,456 --> 00:22:52,632
and America was better
because poor people
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00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:54,285
were better off in America,
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00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,331
if you don't factor in
the enslaved people, of course.
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00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:02,642
Then the revolutionary
struggle becomes hotter,
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00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:05,384
and hotter, and hotter,
and sort of explodes.
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00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:11,128
In May 1789, the French
Revolution officially
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00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:15,176
begins when riots break
out at the Etats Généraux,
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an assembly of representatives
from the feuding classes.
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More than a hundred people
are killed in the mayhem.
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The revolution was
underway and would have
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followed its course whether
he'd been there or not,
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00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:28,363
but he does host meetings with
some of the revolutionaries.
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00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:32,541
I mean, you can't escape it
in Paris in 1789.
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00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:35,109
Jefferson drafts
a Charter of Rights
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00:23:35,196 --> 00:23:37,807
with his friend,
Marquis de Lafayette,
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00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:41,376
a French aristocrat who fought
in the American Revolution.
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00:23:41,507 --> 00:23:45,511
In August, just a month after
French insurgents stormed
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a medieval political prison
known as the Bastille,
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00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,777
Lafayette and other French liberals
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meet secretly
at Jefferson's home to discuss
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00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:57,305
a new French constitution.
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00:23:57,392 --> 00:23:59,786
He says, "The Republican
movement in France
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is a continuation
of our revolution."
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So when other Americans
are put off by the terror
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00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:10,623
and because now there had
been violence, Jefferson says,
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no, we've got to support this.
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00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:16,367
This was part of a global
movement for liberty.
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00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,851
But in September, five years
after arriving in Paris,
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00:24:22,069 --> 00:24:25,594
watching yet another violent
revolution erupt around him,
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00:24:25,768 --> 00:24:30,033
Jefferson wonders if it
may be time to return home.
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00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,695
In September of 1789,
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as the French Revolution
gains steam,
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00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:46,920
Jefferson decides
it's time to return home.
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00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:50,358
When it's time to come home,
Jefferson has the idea
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00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:53,579
that he's going
to take Sally and her brother,
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00:24:53,709 --> 00:24:55,929
James Hemings,
back to Monticello with him.
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00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:00,020
Despite Jefferson's
best efforts
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00:25:00,107 --> 00:25:01,891
to keep Sally
and James in the dark
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00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,414
about French slavery laws,
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00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:06,200
they are both aware
of the choices
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00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:08,028
they now have.
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So the decision
would have been,
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do you stay in France,
where you have freedom?
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00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:18,125
Or do you return
to slavery in the States?
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00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,694
Sally Hemings decides
that she was free in France,
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00:25:21,824 --> 00:25:25,349
she was enjoying herself,
and she wanted to stay there.
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00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,744
But Jefferson pleads
with Sally to return
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to Monticello with him.
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00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:35,011
And so Jefferson
is forced into a position
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of negotiating for what that
relationship is going to be.
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00:25:39,102 --> 00:25:41,017
Historians can't prove this.
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00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:44,151
To produce documents
with her name,
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telling people how he was
going to take care of her,
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it would have
been an admission.
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00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:50,984
But this is one of the things
that historians
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say is likely true.
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00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:55,771
Jefferson promises her
she would have a good life
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at Monticello and that
any children she had
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would be freed
when they were 21.
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00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,736
She agrees to that.
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00:26:03,866 --> 00:26:06,782
And she decides
to come home with him.
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00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,613
I'm in awe of Sally Hemings,
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the courage
this young woman showed
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00:26:14,355 --> 00:26:18,620
to stand up to the man
who owned her,
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00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,318
to tell one of the most
powerful people in the world
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the terms on which
she would do something.
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Even though I imagine
she knew once she comes back
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to Virginia he could say,
nah, never mind,
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00:26:31,285 --> 00:26:34,288
he could die,
and it was a huge risk.
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And so people ask me
all the time,
503
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:40,163
well, why did she do that?
504
00:26:40,337 --> 00:26:42,035
But you have
to think about choice
505
00:26:42,122 --> 00:26:44,907
under those circumstances.
506
00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:46,256
She was far from her mother.
507
00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:48,128
She was far from her family.
508
00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:52,393
It's not as simple
as slavery or freedom.
509
00:26:55,004 --> 00:26:58,268
And I don't know
that France would
510
00:26:58,399 --> 00:27:01,663
have been a real viable
solution to her at the time.
511
00:27:03,534 --> 00:27:07,538
When the French Revolution
is emerging in France,
512
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:11,847
what choices would she have
had as a young Black woman
513
00:27:11,978 --> 00:27:13,370
not of an adult age?
514
00:27:13,544 --> 00:27:16,330
Where was she going
to live in France, with whom?
515
00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:17,636
And that's a dilemma
516
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:19,942
that a number
of enslaved people faced,
517
00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:22,858
even when people were deciding
whether to take their freedom
518
00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:25,644
or run away when they
were in the United States.
519
00:27:25,818 --> 00:27:28,559
It's great to be free,
but would you want
520
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:31,040
to be away from your family?
521
00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:37,133
Well, here's what some
of the descendants and I feel.
522
00:27:37,264 --> 00:27:38,787
We don't know.
There's no documentation.
523
00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:45,402
But we think
that she wanted to come back.
524
00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,404
But she was really smart.
525
00:27:47,491 --> 00:27:51,974
And she thought,
this man wants to be with me.
526
00:27:52,105 --> 00:27:54,629
And she exercised
her own agency
527
00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:58,415
because, by the way,
Sally Hemings was pregnant.
528
00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:09,688
In September 1789,
529
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,560
Jefferson returns home
to Virginia
530
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,911
with his enslaved mistress,
Sally Hemings.
531
00:28:15,998 --> 00:28:18,914
When she's 17,
Sally Hemings gives birth
532
00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:20,568
to her first child.
533
00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:22,744
The child died.
534
00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:26,792
But her relations
with Jefferson would continue.
535
00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:30,273
Jefferson moves Sally
from enslaved quarters
536
00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:33,320
to a stone room
below Monticello
537
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,583
so that she can be closer
to his room
538
00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:38,237
in the main mansion.
539
00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:41,284
Sally negotiated
with Jefferson
540
00:28:41,371 --> 00:28:43,069
an easier life for herself
541
00:28:43,156 --> 00:28:46,159
within Monticello's
plantation system.
542
00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:48,727
And so Sally Hemings
becomes a seamstress,
543
00:28:48,901 --> 00:28:51,207
which is relatively
light labor compared
544
00:28:51,294 --> 00:28:54,167
to what other enslaved women
would have been doing.
545
00:28:54,341 --> 00:28:57,474
Sally will occupy
her quarters under Monticello
546
00:28:57,605 --> 00:29:00,042
for the next 40 years.
547
00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:02,218
Over the course of that time,
548
00:29:02,349 --> 00:29:04,917
she will bear
six more children.
549
00:29:05,004 --> 00:29:07,658
Her children
are able to remain with her,
550
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,009
which is different
than a lot of enslaved women.
551
00:29:10,096 --> 00:29:12,533
And there's a lot more work
that I think the Hemings
552
00:29:12,707 --> 00:29:15,188
are largely spared from
because of their position
553
00:29:15,318 --> 00:29:17,625
within the enslaved community.
554
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,279
Was there hierarchy?
555
00:29:19,453 --> 00:29:21,716
Yes, there was hierarchy.
556
00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:25,198
We must always remember,
members of the Hemings family
557
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:28,288
were related to their owners.
558
00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:30,681
We know that other Hemings
siblings were related
559
00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:32,683
to Jefferson's wife's father.
560
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,949
And, as a result,
they were light-skinned people.
561
00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:41,083
In the 1790s,
the Duke of Rochefoucauld
562
00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:42,693
comes to Monticello.
563
00:29:42,824 --> 00:29:45,740
And he reports
that there are some members
564
00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:49,744
of the enslaved families
who are just as white,
565
00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,181
if not even whiter, than he is.
566
00:29:54,836 --> 00:30:00,189
Yes, many of the enslaved
people related to their owners
567
00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:02,104
had privileges.
568
00:30:02,191 --> 00:30:05,760
And so unfortunately, this idea
569
00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:09,503
that the lighter your skin is,
570
00:30:09,677 --> 00:30:15,030
the closer you are
to privileged people continues
571
00:30:15,117 --> 00:30:16,945
to plague our society.
572
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,906
We need
to challenge ourselves
573
00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:24,257
about our understanding
about race and beauty
574
00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:27,129
and how it affects
how we view history.
575
00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:30,611
Even though we embrace
our multiculturalism today,
576
00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:35,397
we still do rank
our multiculturalism.
577
00:30:35,398 --> 00:30:37,399
Our fascination
with Sally Hemings
578
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,664
has a lot to do
with our exoticism of her.
579
00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:44,407
If she had been
an African woman
580
00:30:44,494 --> 00:30:49,151
unmixed by any European blood,
I think that it might have
581
00:30:49,238 --> 00:30:53,634
been even more cause
for consternation.
582
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:58,769
She's accepted now
as having been his mistress.
583
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:03,513
But I often wonder if it's
not qualified by the fact
584
00:31:03,644 --> 00:31:07,909
that she is,
by many standards, half white.
585
00:31:08,083 --> 00:31:13,436
I wonder if we would
be able to accept him
586
00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:16,351
having a sexual relationship
with a woman
587
00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:18,224
who was not mixed race.
588
00:31:20,356 --> 00:31:23,142
While Jefferson settles
into a quiet life
589
00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:27,929
with Sally at Monticello,
the new American government
590
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,584
under its first president
is beginning
591
00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:33,500
to take shape without him.
592
00:31:38,809 --> 00:31:41,247
In April 1789,
593
00:31:41,334 --> 00:31:43,597
while Jefferson
was still in Paris,
594
00:31:43,684 --> 00:31:47,340
his friend and fellow
Virginian George Washington
595
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:50,343
had been sworn in
as the first president
596
00:31:50,473 --> 00:31:52,388
of the United States.
597
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,391
And all of the most powerful
voices of the revolution
598
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:58,046
are vying for seats
in his cabinet.
599
00:32:00,483 --> 00:32:04,312
Washington is a president
without precedent.
600
00:32:04,313 --> 00:32:07,447
He is filling in the role
of president
601
00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,971
with only the broadest outlines
being established
602
00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:11,364
by the Constitution.
603
00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,888
He wants Jefferson
to be secretary of state,
604
00:32:13,975 --> 00:32:16,064
particularly because Jefferson
605
00:32:16,195 --> 00:32:19,241
has all this international
experience as a diplomat.
606
00:32:19,328 --> 00:32:23,680
But Washington has to beg
Jefferson to take the job.
607
00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:27,249
And he sends
James Madison to see him.
608
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:29,686
He says, hey,
are you going to accept this?
609
00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:33,647
And Jefferson says,
I'm not sure.
610
00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:37,042
And Madison has to tell
Washington to ask him again.
611
00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,697
This is testimony
to how highly Washington
612
00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:42,177
thought of Jefferson.
613
00:32:42,351 --> 00:32:43,744
He sort of bites his lip
and writes to him again
614
00:32:43,918 --> 00:32:47,704
and says, please serve
as secretary of state.
615
00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:50,229
The country really needs you.
616
00:32:50,316 --> 00:32:52,840
And Jefferson goes,
well, if you really want me,
617
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,320
I guess I'll do it.
618
00:32:56,278 --> 00:33:00,369
Jefferson had intended to
eventually return to France,
619
00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:04,721
but in March of 1790, he heads
to the new U.S. capital
620
00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:08,421
in New York City to serve
in America's first cabinet
621
00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:11,380
alongside his soon-to-be rival,
622
00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:14,688
Revolutionary War hero
Alexander Hamilton.
623
00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:19,084
Hamilton, Washington's
young aide de camp,
624
00:33:19,214 --> 00:33:21,912
is tapped
as Treasury secretary.
625
00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,741
Now, Hamilton and Jefferson
famously feuded
626
00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:26,917
throughout most
of their adult life.
627
00:33:27,048 --> 00:33:29,181
And one of Hamilton's
attacks on Jefferson
628
00:33:29,355 --> 00:33:33,794
was that he was an elite
who talked about populism.
629
00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:36,057
And Jefferson looked
down on Hamilton
630
00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:37,493
as an immigrant upstart.
631
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:40,235
Fundamentally,
each believes the other
632
00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:43,804
represents an existential
threat to the republic.
633
00:33:45,284 --> 00:33:46,849
Hamilton believes
that Jefferson
634
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:49,766
wants to overthrow all order.
635
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,986
Jefferson believes
that Hamilton is restoring
636
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:54,162
monarchy to the United States.
637
00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:56,686
Jefferson is
horrified to realize
638
00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:59,298
that the system of government
that has been set up
639
00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:02,649
while he was in France
seems to be heading
640
00:34:02,736 --> 00:34:05,478
towards more centralized power,
641
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:09,395
what he sees
as a more British direction,
642
00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:12,050
in particular
in Hamilton's plan
643
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:14,008
to centralize
the federal Treasury
644
00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:17,446
and to begin accumulating debt
to build the United States.
645
00:34:19,796 --> 00:34:21,581
Hamilton's financial plan,
646
00:34:21,668 --> 00:34:23,757
which is modeled
on the Bank of England,
647
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:26,194
is to consolidate
one national debt
648
00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:30,894
that the Treasury controls
and the government repays.
649
00:34:30,981 --> 00:34:33,767
It's a system built on
a recognizable British model,
650
00:34:33,854 --> 00:34:36,465
and Jefferson hates that.
651
00:34:36,596 --> 00:34:40,165
And he also wants to get
the cabinet out of New York.
652
00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:41,992
He doesn't like cities.
653
00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:44,212
He doesn't like New York City.
654
00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:48,042
He believes cities
were sources of corruption.
655
00:34:48,173 --> 00:34:49,478
They were sources
of inequality.
656
00:34:49,652 --> 00:34:51,480
The residents of cities,
in his view,
657
00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:54,309
didn't make good citizens.
658
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,963
He wants to move
the center of gravity
659
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,878
further towards the south.
660
00:34:58,008 --> 00:35:01,099
And so one of the great
critical compromises
661
00:35:01,273 --> 00:35:03,971
in American history is where,
662
00:35:04,058 --> 00:35:06,321
over dinner
at Jefferson's house,
663
00:35:06,452 --> 00:35:09,846
he brings together
Madison and Hamilton
664
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:12,284
and negotiates
moving the capital
665
00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:15,156
down to Virginia area
off the Potomac,
666
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:17,985
but accepting
Hamilton's financial plan
667
00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:20,248
for a more centralized
financial system.
668
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:24,209
But the banking center
will remain in New York.
669
00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:25,732
In the infamous room
where it happened,
670
00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:27,777
they both got what
they most wanted.
671
00:35:27,864 --> 00:35:29,344
And it ends up
being a pretty good trade
672
00:35:29,431 --> 00:35:30,737
in the fullness of time.
673
00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:32,782
And so there
was an opportunity there
674
00:35:32,913 --> 00:35:35,263
when they did work
together productively.
675
00:35:35,394 --> 00:35:38,614
But you get that sense
of the seeds of disagreement
676
00:35:38,788 --> 00:35:41,313
that will really rupture.
677
00:35:41,487 --> 00:35:43,880
And the differences
between Hamilton and Jefferson
678
00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:46,405
will quickly spread
beyond the cabinet room
679
00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:48,929
to the public at large.
680
00:35:49,059 --> 00:35:51,453
Despite their successful compromise,
681
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:54,761
Jefferson and Hamilton
continue to clash.
682
00:35:54,891 --> 00:35:59,157
And in this divide, America's
two-party political system
683
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:01,246
is born.
684
00:36:01,376 --> 00:36:05,554
Supporters of Hamilton become
known as the Federalists.
685
00:36:05,728 --> 00:36:07,817
They support
centralized government,
686
00:36:08,035 --> 00:36:11,212
a national bank,
alliance with Britain,
687
00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:14,911
and an economy
based on merchants and trade.
688
00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:17,217
Supporters of Jefferson become
689
00:36:17,218 --> 00:36:19,306
the Democratic
Republican Party.
690
00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:22,267
They support states' rights,
strict interpretation
691
00:36:22,354 --> 00:36:25,661
of the Constitution,
an agricultural economy,
692
00:36:25,748 --> 00:36:28,708
and an alliance with France.
693
00:36:28,795 --> 00:36:30,840
It's hard for us
to imagine just how
694
00:36:31,014 --> 00:36:32,973
acrimonious the 1790s were.
695
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,456
You really had
two opposing parties form,
696
00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:41,024
each of whom thought that
if the other group had power,
697
00:36:41,111 --> 00:36:43,897
the American experiment
would fail.
698
00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:45,506
Jefferson and Hamilton seem
699
00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:46,856
to be fighting
over everything.
700
00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:48,641
And Jefferson
is telling Washington,
701
00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:50,686
look,
Hamilton's out to get you.
702
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:52,514
Hamilton's going
to overthrow the republic
703
00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:54,081
and institute a monarchy.
704
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:55,822
And Washington is saying,
no, he's not going to do that.
705
00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:59,217
Jefferson thought
that Washington
706
00:36:59,347 --> 00:37:00,783
would side with him,
naturally,
707
00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:02,698
because they're
both Virginians.
708
00:37:02,785 --> 00:37:05,353
But Hamilton and Washington had
been through the war together,
709
00:37:05,484 --> 00:37:06,528
and Jefferson had not been.
710
00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:08,182
He admired Washington.
711
00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:11,881
And he wanted to be
the favored son of Washington.
712
00:37:12,012 --> 00:37:13,753
And that didn't happen.
713
00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:26,591
In 1793, as the American
government is taking shape,
714
00:37:26,592 --> 00:37:29,334
Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI
715
00:37:29,464 --> 00:37:32,772
are brutally executed
in France.
716
00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:35,078
And once again,
Thomas Jefferson
717
00:37:35,209 --> 00:37:38,560
and Alexander Hamilton find
themselves on opposite sides
718
00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:40,040
of the political fence.
719
00:37:41,694 --> 00:37:44,262
The whole world
was fighting with itself
720
00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:46,916
in the 1790s in the wake
of the French Revolution.
721
00:37:47,047 --> 00:37:51,051
And the reverberations
of the bloodbath
722
00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:52,966
in France were felt in America.
723
00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:57,362
Jefferson feels
the French Revolution is being
724
00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,886
inspired by America's example.
725
00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:02,497
And they topple their king,
so much the better,
726
00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:04,282
despite the fact
that the king is the person
727
00:38:04,412 --> 00:38:05,892
who'd bailed out
the United States
728
00:38:05,979 --> 00:38:07,763
during the Revolutionary War.
729
00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:10,940
And Jefferson's idealism
in this regard,
730
00:38:11,027 --> 00:38:14,814
his radicalism
becomes a little bloody.
731
00:38:15,031 --> 00:38:18,774
The statements he makes
excusing the excesses,
732
00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:21,299
the mob
in the French Revolution,
733
00:38:21,473 --> 00:38:24,040
are pretty close
to indefensible.
734
00:38:25,564 --> 00:38:28,349
He writes one
of his most infamous letters
735
00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:32,005
in response
to the French Revolution.
736
00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:34,312
My own affections have
been deeply wounded
737
00:38:34,529 --> 00:38:37,315
by some of the martyrs
to this cause.
738
00:38:37,402 --> 00:38:39,621
But rather than it
should have failed,
739
00:38:39,752 --> 00:38:42,885
I would have seen half
the Earth desolated.
740
00:38:42,972 --> 00:38:46,411
Were there but an Adam and
an Eve left in every country
741
00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:51,067
and left free, it would be
better than as it is now.
742
00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:53,592
It doesn't quite say,
you need to break
743
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,507
a few eggs to make an omelet,
744
00:38:55,681 --> 00:38:57,552
but that's
kind of the thinking.
745
00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,728
He is fine
with a bunch of heads
746
00:38:59,902 --> 00:39:01,730
rolling down in the wake
of a guillotine.
747
00:39:01,861 --> 00:39:04,167
He's an ends-just-the-means
kind of guy
748
00:39:04,254 --> 00:39:06,431
when it comes to liberty.
749
00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:10,435
But Washington, Hamilton, Adams
750
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:14,177
are much more concerned
that anarchy can turn
751
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,702
into a new type of tyranny.
752
00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:19,966
Washington declares a policy
of strict neutrality.
753
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,621
He says, we are not
going to get dragged
754
00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:24,274
into continental squabbles.
755
00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:26,929
We are going to focus
on building our own strength,
756
00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:30,063
economically and militarily,
and expanding and solidifying
757
00:39:30,237 --> 00:39:32,892
our new nation.
758
00:39:32,979 --> 00:39:35,547
Jefferson is
secretary of state,
759
00:39:35,677 --> 00:39:40,247
but he disagrees with his
government's foreign policy.
760
00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:42,510
Jefferson crucially
sees neutrality
761
00:39:42,684 --> 00:39:45,948
as aligning the United States
with the British
762
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,257
and is a betrayal of this idea
of an empire of liberty.
763
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,434
And so Jefferson
starts to engage
764
00:39:53,521 --> 00:39:56,350
in sort of really
kind of dirty politics.
765
00:39:56,524 --> 00:39:58,744
So there's the "Gazette
of the United States,"
766
00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:02,661
which is
a proadministration organ.
767
00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:07,666
And Jefferson thinks
it needs a counterpoint.
768
00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:11,452
And so there's a critical
excursion up the Hudson River
769
00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:14,673
that Jefferson takes
with Madison.
770
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,327
They stop off and recruit
a newspaper editor
771
00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:19,373
named Philip Freneau,
who had gone to college
772
00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:21,680
at Princeton with Madison,
773
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:26,119
to be the editor
of a new opposition newspaper.
774
00:40:26,293 --> 00:40:27,816
Philip Freneau
hates the British.
775
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:30,210
He'd been briefly captured
by them during the war.
776
00:40:30,297 --> 00:40:31,646
But he says, you know what?
777
00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:33,474
I can't make enough money
running a newspaper.
778
00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:35,911
Jefferson says,
don't worry about it.
779
00:40:36,042 --> 00:40:39,262
We'll hire you in the State
Department as a translator.
780
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:43,005
So Jefferson is serving
in the cabinet
781
00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:45,312
as secretary of state,
782
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:47,749
furious about a foreign policy
he doesn't support.
783
00:40:47,836 --> 00:40:49,403
But not only doesn't
he support it,
784
00:40:49,534 --> 00:40:53,754
he's actively trying to subvert
it by funding and incubating
785
00:40:53,755 --> 00:40:57,933
a new newspaper whose
sole purpose is to attack
786
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,240
the foreign policy
of the government
787
00:41:00,414 --> 00:41:02,590
that he is serving
as secretary of state in.
788
00:41:04,244 --> 00:41:06,855
It's close to treasonous.
789
00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:09,641
In any other context,
it would be called just that.
790
00:41:09,815 --> 00:41:12,426
And it is driving
Washington nuts
791
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,951
to see himself being attacked
in the press.
792
00:41:16,082 --> 00:41:20,042
But Hamilton also
sponsors a newspaper,
793
00:41:20,216 --> 00:41:23,002
which is basically
the party organ
794
00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,700
of the Treasury Department.
795
00:41:25,787 --> 00:41:29,443
And so what we see
is the media being used
796
00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:31,880
to mobilize political opinion
in the United States
797
00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:34,709
for the first time.
798
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,581
They're starting
two political parties
799
00:41:36,668 --> 00:41:37,886
under the nose of Washington
800
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,193
and against
his express wishes.
801
00:41:40,323 --> 00:41:42,543
Washington was not a member
of a political party
802
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:44,197
as a matter of principle,
803
00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:46,547
our first and only
independent president.
804
00:41:46,634 --> 00:41:49,376
The hope was that people
in Congress
805
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:51,204
would represent
their conscience
806
00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:53,249
and their constituents,
807
00:41:53,336 --> 00:41:56,209
that they could do this
without retreating to faction.
808
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,301
In 1793,
George Washington begins
809
00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:03,651
his second term as president.
810
00:42:03,782 --> 00:42:06,741
And he, his vice president,
John Adams,
811
00:42:06,828 --> 00:42:09,527
and secretary of the Treasury,
Alexander Hamilton,
812
00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:11,877
continue on
with the Federalist initiative
813
00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:14,096
for international neutrality
814
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,273
and a centralized
federal government.
815
00:42:17,404 --> 00:42:19,972
And so Jefferson
concludes that he's
816
00:42:20,146 --> 00:42:22,235
always the odd man out.
817
00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:25,151
He feels that he's not
getting anything accomplished
818
00:42:25,281 --> 00:42:28,371
and that Washington isn't
listening to him anymore.
819
00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:31,331
He eventually resigns
in a huff.
820
00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:37,598
In December 1793,
Jefferson retires once more
821
00:42:37,816 --> 00:42:40,514
to Monticello
as the country falls deeper
822
00:42:40,688 --> 00:42:43,125
into political divide.
823
00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:46,955
Just 20 years after the Sons
of Liberty threw 46 tons
824
00:42:47,129 --> 00:42:50,393
of tea into Boston Harbor,
the new nation appears
825
00:42:50,524 --> 00:42:53,919
to be charging
toward Civil War.
826
00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:57,096
And despite Thomas Jefferson's
best efforts to remove himself
827
00:42:57,183 --> 00:43:00,142
from the fight,
he will soon be thrust
828
00:43:00,273 --> 00:43:02,188
right back
onto the front lines
829
00:43:02,318 --> 00:43:04,190
of dirty partisan politics.
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