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It was a
quiet night for two
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lovers looking to get away.
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A full moon had risen, giving
light to their hideaway
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on a deserted back road.
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They were all alone,
just like they wanted it.
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But before these
enamored youngsters
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got too ahead of
themselves, something
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interrupted their night.
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Despite her wishes,
he gets out to see
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what could have made the sound,
leaving her alone in the car.
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As the minutes
tick slowly by, she
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begins to wonder what could
be keeping him for so long.
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As she turned around to
see what had happened,
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she could hear the steps of
whatever it was approaching.
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As it stepped into the
light, she couldn't believe
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the horror she saw there.
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But then, looking down, she
saw the worst thing of all.
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For as long as there have been
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humans, there have been stories.
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Stories meant to make sense
of the chaos of the world
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and give meaning to some
of its worst elements.
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Gods and heroes arise
from these tales,
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giving character to
the weather, the trees,
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and even our deepest desires.
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Few of these stories
persist to this day.
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Science having
replaced the old gods.
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Yet, even still, anomalies
bleed through the fabric
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of our modern narratives.
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Bigfoot, Dogman, the
chupacabra, these creatures
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that haunt our
nightmares come and go
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as they please, seemingly
with no explanation,
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as either flesh and
blood or something else.
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There are few stories that
capture the imagination,
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like that of the Goatman,
with the upper body of a man
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and the head of a goat.
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The creature stalks the halls
of American folklore, lurking
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on dark backroads, waiting
to attack hapless victims
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who venture down Lovers' lanes.
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So prolific are his deeds
that the Goatman has been seen
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in virtually every state,
waiting for his chance
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to strike from his
hiding place, leaving
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a bloody mess in his wake.
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The half-man, half-goat beast
has many alleged origin stories,
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but none more encompassing than
that of the Goatman of Prince
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George's County, Maryland.
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The Maryland
Goatman is a figure
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that was first discovered,
quote unquote, in the 1970s--
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I want to say 1971--
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when a reporter ran across
a paper that had been filed
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with The Maryland
Folklore Archive
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that talked about
a Goatman figure
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that occupied an area around
Prince's County, Maryland.
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You know the different
iterations of the Goatman
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itself, its origins and so
forth, were pretty varied.
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But essentially,
you had a Goatman
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in that area that had
been blamed for the death
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and dismemberment
of dogs, would often
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terrorize couples
that had been parked
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in a Lovers' Lane-type area.
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And over time, different
origin stories were
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proposed for this creature.
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The most popular revolves
around a place known
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as the Beltsville
agricultural Research Center,
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which is a facility about 10
miles from Fletchertown Road,
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where, allegedly, they
do different types
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of experimentation
and development
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of new types of livestock
breeds, different types
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of cows and pigs and so forth.
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And so there's a story that
there was a mad scientist there
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who was either experimenting
with combining human and goat
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DNA, or there was some
type of horrible accident
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to which this scientist
actually evolved into one
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of these goat-like creatures.
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The Maryland goat man
is an interesting case,
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because it's one of those
goat man urban legend stories
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that has a variety of
explanations for it.
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Most of these Goatman stories
have some kind of myth
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that seems to be at
the root of them,
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trying to explain
where they came from
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and how they got started.
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And the Maryland Goatman is one
that has different explanations,
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depending on who you ask and
what the version of the story is
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And that, to me, is what sticks
out about this case, the most,
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because you have
the version where
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it was a circus
sideshow attraction that
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escaped from its confinement.
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In some versions, after
lightning struck its cage.
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There's the theory
that it could be
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the result of a goat
farmer crossbreeding
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with one of his own goats.
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The really interesting
version to me is that--
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A doctor, Steven Fletcher,
was experimenting with the DNA
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of an assistant,
along with goats,
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and there was a terrible
accident that caused him to be
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transformed into this human-goat
hybrid creature that has
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since terrorized
the locals around
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Beltsville and Bowie, Maryland.
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The interesting
thing about this one
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is that the USDA actually had
to make a public statement
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saying, this is
factually not true,
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because the rumors
had spread so far
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and the story had picked
up so much traction.
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CRAIG WOOLHEATER
Though
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clouded in various science
fiction origin stories,
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to residents of Bowie, the
Maryland Goatman was very real.
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Just one week following the
initial article breaking
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the story of the
Goatman, three teens
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heard strange noises coming
from the woods near their homes.
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One even reported
seeing the animal,
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describing it as six feet
tall, covered in hair,
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and standing on two legs.
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It made a high-pitched sound.
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The following morning,
they discovered
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their puppy was missing.
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After searching, they found her
body near some railroad tracks,
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with the head laying
a few yards away.
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The story spread like
wildfire, and soon teens
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all over Prince George's County
were traveling to Fletchertown
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Road in an attempt
to have an encounter
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with the Goatman of Bowie.
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So great was the pandemonium
throughout the county,
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the story began to
grow outside the state,
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and soon, everyone knew
the Maryland Goatman.
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As the story spread,
people attributed
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more and more incidents
to the goat-like entity.
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There was a young couple
in Maryland who were recently
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married, and they were
driving home late one night
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and they had a flat tire.
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So the husband steps
out and tells the wife,
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please wait here.
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I'm just going to go
get a tire, get help.
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I'll be right back.
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Hours go by, and nothing.
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Next thing you know, she
leans out of the window
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and sees a
seven-foot-tall Goatman
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standing on the car,
bent over, and staring
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down into the window.
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She rolls up the window,
terrified, starts screaming,
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and just eventually
the Goatman walks away.
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She passes out out of
exhaustion and fear,
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wakes up the next
morning, still no husband.
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But it's daylight
out, so she decides
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that she's going
to go for a walk
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and see if she can
track down her husband.
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She got about 40 feet
away from the car
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and found the remains
of her husband.
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Head had been completely
ripped off, most of the limbs
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were severely mangled.
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I've tried really,
really hard to dig
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up irrefutable proof on this.
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I've yet to be able to find any
actual police reports on this.
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And this is a troublesome
part when it comes to Goatman,
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is there's a lot of
stories, but they're usually
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told from person to person.
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There's not really a whole lot
of actual documentation on it.
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The presence of Goatman stories,
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like the one previously shared,
do not exist in a vacuum.
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Commonly referred to as Lovers'
Lane Stories, these tales
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take place in areas
where people go
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to be intimate with each other
in a semi-public setting,
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and there is certainly
no shortage of them.
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It's usually some
remote parking spot
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on the outskirts of town,
down by the railroad tracks,
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under the bridge, someplace
where they can have
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a limited amount of privacy.
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Also, of course, people go
to drink and tell stories.
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The most famous legends
besides the Goatman legend
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is the dead boyfriend
legend, where, of course,
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the teenage couple are
getting intimate in a car,
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there's a noise.
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The boyfriend goes
out to investigate
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and he doesn't come back.
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The girlfriend goes to
check what happened,
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and he's usually hung from
a tree limb above the car.
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And then, of course,
there's the hookman
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legend, that's the other
famous Lovers' Lane legend.
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A couple parked
out on a Lovers' Lane.
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The radio is still on, and
there's a special bulletin
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that's made about an
escaped convict who
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is menacing the
neighborhood, in which
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this couple finds themselves.
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And about the same time,
there's a loud scratching that's
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heard on the side of the
vehicle on the-- typically,
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the guy is driving, then the
gal is in the other seat,
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and it's on her side of the car.
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And some detail that comes
through on the radio.
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Is that the escaped
convict in question
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has one hook for a hand.
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And this is all too
much for both of them,
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they freak out and drive
away at a fast rate of speed.
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Getting back to her
home, where she's safely
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deposited back in the
friendly confines.
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But assuming that he's at
least somewhat of a gentleman,
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he comes around the other side
of the car to open it for her,
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and there, hanging on the
handle of the car door,
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is a disembodied hook.
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So making it that the sound that
they heard was evidently this
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escaped convict scratching
at the car, trying to get in.
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I think we have
to consider the possibility
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that we sometimes have a
confluence of different types
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of urban legends or campfire
tales that come together,
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particularly in rural
areas, and particularly
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in these remote
Lovers' Lane areas,
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where teenagers go and park at
night, where they like to spook
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each other and tell stories.
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So at some point the Goatman
and the serial killer, the hook,
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those ideas kind of converged.
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Folklorists
actually call him a Lovers' Lane
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Monster because his legends
exist almost exclusively
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in places like this where
teenagers or someone
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of the like gathering.
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There's a lot of sightings that
happen in locations that aren't
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like this, where there's
no Goatman legend,
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but people say they
see creatures like it.
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So I think a lot of the
locations where he's
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near railroad tracks
or bridges could
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just be the more sensational
folklorist-type stories.
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The fact that Goatman is
associated with Lovers' Lane
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areas, I think, speaks to
his sort of folkloric role
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as a kind of agent of judgment.
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And you see this
playing out in a variety
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of ways, like in
the case of the Pope
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Lick Monster and the Trestle.
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He's an agent of
judgment in the sense
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that he's punishing you
for bad decision making.
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It's a bad idea to climb out
on this active train trestle
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when you could get run
down by a freight train
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that you can't possibly escape.
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Well, in the case
of a Lovers' Lane,
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it's not quite the
same thing, but you
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are very much capable
of poor decision making
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out there in Lovers' Lane.
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And maybe a couple drinks in and
you're out there with your loved
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one, and one thing
leads to another,
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and here comes the Goatman
to be that agent of judgment,
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to say, hey, kids,
you break it up
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unless you want some unintended
consequences to deal with.
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Here, let me pound
on your car hood
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to make sure that you
get out of here in time.
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So I think he does
play that function.
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If a person is entertaining
Goatman as sort
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of an actual flesh
and blood cryptid,
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then there's also the
added dimension that most
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Lovers Lanes are remote.
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You're going out there
because you don't want to be
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bothered in the first place.
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So where are you
going to seek out?
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Well, it's not going
to be a populated area.
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It's going to be a Lovers'
Lane, a darkened area,
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and a place in near the woods
that you hope is not detectable.
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And those are often
those liminal areas
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that are also associated with
all manner of cryptid sightings.
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CRAIG WOOLHEATER
The Goatman
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is not always relegated to
the Lovers' Lane, however.
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Traveling from the East
Coast, another Goatman
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legend emerges, this time in the
sun-baked hills of California.
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So the Billiwhack Ranch is a
former dairy farm that's located
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in Santa Paula, California.
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It is home to, supposedly,
the Billiwhack Monster,
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a humanoid-looking creature
that has Goatman-like features,
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giant horns, and is reported
to even carry around a club,
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that's violent in nature,
tends to attack people that
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come across it, and the
cryptid story of this
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is a little bit more
mysterious than what
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you typically get in most
original cryptid stories.
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It has
numerous parallels
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to the Goatman of
Maryland, and what I mean
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is that Ventura, California
is the basic area
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involving Billiwhack.
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There's a Billiwhack farms that
became established at that time
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that it wasn't
immediately evident,
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but as time elapsed and
people dug into the history
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of this location,
that facility, there
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appeared to have
been possible CIA
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ties to at least the person who
was instrumental in founding
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the farm site.
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So August Rubel is
an interesting guy.
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He's a pretty smart guy.
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One of the things that
comes up about him
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pretty often is that
he's from Europe.
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He's Swiss.
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So this is a guy that majored
in chemical engineering.
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This is something that's
going to come up in the Billy
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whack monster story.
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But he also has apparent
ties to the OSS, which
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is a precursor to the CIA.
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It stands for the Office
of Strategic Services.
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So this is an interesting guy.
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He has government ties,
chemical engineering ties,
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and now he's
associated with what
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is supposedly a humanoid monster
that roamed around his ranch.
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Now, the original story
involves August Ruble, and with
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his chemical
engineering background,
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was trying to manufacture a
super soldier using goat DNA,
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and building an
indestructible force that can
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be utilized in World War II.
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That's story A.
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Story B is that ruble
was more of almost
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like a James Bond-type
of character,
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where he went off
during World War II
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and rounded up Nazi
scientists that Hitler
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was utilizing to build his own
version of a super soldier.
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And he rounded those guys
up, brought them back
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to Santa Paula, to
the Billiwhack Ranch,
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and utilized utilize
their knowledge to build
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the Billiwhack Monster.
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And at some point,
the monster escaped,
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killing many of the
scientists, and now
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runs free in the Aliso Canyon
near the Billiwhack Ranch.
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And so
what you had were
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a couple scattered tales of a
Goatman-type figure being seen.
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In one case, by hikers
who felt that they
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were being trailed by a
half-man, half-goat figure.
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And so that traces
back to this idea
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of a pseudoscientific
origin for the Goatman,
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in that regard, that
I see the parallels
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between Ventura, California and
Maryland, as far as origins go.
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It's one of the
oldest ones that
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I've seen reported
in newspapers,
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I think goes back to the '50s.
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A lot of the Goatman stories
cropped up in the '70s, at least
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in papers.
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They may have been talked
about by locals many,
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many, many decades before that.
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The oldest sighting
I could find dates
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back to 1912, seen by a
herd of cowboys wandering
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the Aliso Canyon area.
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There wasn't much more to it.
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Finding the actual cited
sources to that story
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were a little tough to find.
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I couldn't really do it.
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It was a lot of just
copy and paste, copy
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and paste, which is
pretty common in this era
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with the internet.
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So that would actually predate
August Rubel even purchasing
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the Billiwhack Ranch, setting up
his dairy farm infrastructure.
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And that would
actually more suggest,
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too, the Billiwchack
Monster predating
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any of these World War II ties.
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CRAIG WOOLHEATER
Both
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the story of the
Goatman of Bowie
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and the Beast of Billiwhack
feature genetic experimentation
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as explanations
for their origins,
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but few people would give
that theory any merit.
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As far as these stories
about genetic experimentation
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at an agricultural
center and half-man,
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half-goat being created, my
first question is a critical
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thinker would be, why?
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What would be the advantage of
creating a half-man, half-goat.
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And I think it almost
it seems to draw off
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of a very famous story called
The Island of Doctor Moreau,
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by HG Wells, the
great sci-fi writer.
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And in that particular story,
there's a mad scientist
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on an island, and he's
experimenting with splicing
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human genes with animal genes.
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And in fact, one
of the creatures
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was a half-man, half-goat.
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So I think that idea, that
seed, was kind of planted deep
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in our unconscious
minds, and that may
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have had an influence as well.
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Genetic experimentation
is something
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I don't know enough
about to say that,
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yeah, that makes sense to me.
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I do just very loosely
and anecdotally,
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that scientists have attempted
to cross human and primate DNA
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and that they were not
successful in doing so.
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So if they were somehow able
to cross goat and human DNA,
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that would speak to a level of
technological sophistication
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that is beyond me,
certainly, and I
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think is beyond our present
scientific capability.
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So I think that concept
of combining humans
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with other animals through
scientific experimentation
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is very interesting to people.
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It's got this cool
sci-fi quality.
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But in terms of how genetics
actually works and ultimately
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motivation and why someone
would do something like that,
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I think it's a big problem.
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CRAIG WOOLHEATER
Although
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no power-crazed scientists
may have created
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a human-goat chimera, there are
other versions of the Goatman
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that may offer
different explanations
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for the mysterious
creature's origins.
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Good
evening, Fort Worth.
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We interrupt our
regular programming
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to bring you an extraordinary
report from Lake Worth.
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In an unprecedented event
last night, on July 10, 1969,
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several residents claimed to
have witnessed a creature dubbed
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"The Lake Worth Monster."
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Reports described the beast as
a half-man, half-goat hybrid,
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standing over seven
feet tall with fur,
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scales, and large horns.
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00:21:51,655 --> 00:21:54,278
Witnesses, including teenagers
who were at the lake,
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00:21:54,382 --> 00:21:56,418
say the monster
leaped onto a car,
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denting its roof before
vanishing into the dark.
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The original encounter
with the Lake Worth Goatman
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occurred in July
of 1969, when two
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couples were parked at the Greer
Island Nature Center one night.
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And they claimed that this
creature actually jumped out
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00:22:13,262 --> 00:22:15,264
of a tree, onto the
roof of their car,
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00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,301
attempted to abduct
one of the women,
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00:22:17,405 --> 00:22:18,854
and ended up
scratching their car.
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00:22:18,958 --> 00:22:20,546
And they were so
terrified that they
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00:22:20,649 --> 00:22:22,237
immediately drove to
the Sheriff's Office
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00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:23,825
and reported their encounter.
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00:22:23,928 --> 00:22:27,346
The next night, there
were 40 people out
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00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:30,659
searching for the
monster, and allegedly,
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00:22:30,763 --> 00:22:32,972
in front of about 30
or 40 eyewitnesses,
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00:22:33,075 --> 00:22:36,216
this creature appeared on a
bluff, picked up a spare tire
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00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,841
and hurled it at the crowd,
and it bounced about 500 feet.
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Now, what's interesting is
that the creature was described
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as being a white color, but
the initial description,
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00:22:45,916 --> 00:22:49,264
the two couples said that
it was a scaly Goatman,
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00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:51,300
whatever that means,
and so ultimately
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became known as the Goatman.
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But then later
on, people said it
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had more of like a
gorilla-like look to it.
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00:22:57,445 --> 00:23:00,240
Strange thing about the tire
throwing incident with regard
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to the Lake Worth
Monster is the fact
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00:23:02,277 --> 00:23:06,902
that it evidently happened with
so many eyewitnesses involved.
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Between 40 and 50
people, evidently,
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00:23:09,905 --> 00:23:12,321
were at the rim of this pit.
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00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:16,705
But all the stories in the
paper and in Clark's book report
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that the creature threw this
tire 500 feet at a rate of speed
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00:23:23,747 --> 00:23:27,026
that caused everyone to
immediately scatter and leave
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00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,477
the vicinity, because they
would have been killed
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00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,824
had it hit them.
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00:23:31,927 --> 00:23:34,274
With such a dramatic entrance
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00:23:34,378 --> 00:23:38,244
for the Lake Worth Goatman,
and with so many witnesses,
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00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:41,350
law enforcement felt
pressured to provide answers.
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00:23:45,872 --> 00:23:48,668
When law enforcement is
brought into the picture, which
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00:23:48,772 --> 00:23:52,396
is relatively right away,
I mean, the first stories
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00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,986
that were filed that appeared
in the local newspaper
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00:23:56,089 --> 00:23:58,333
were within a couple
days of each other.
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00:24:05,582 --> 00:24:07,756
The law enforcement
took the stance
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00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:12,451
that it was an escaped bobcat,
that a bobcat had been released
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00:24:12,554 --> 00:24:16,040
into the wild by their owner,
and had taken up residence
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00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:20,976
in the Greer Island Area and
was in the habit of going up
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00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,222
into trees and dropping
down onto unassuming people,
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00:24:25,325 --> 00:24:28,536
especially seem to like landing
on cars for whatever reason,
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00:24:28,639 --> 00:24:29,951
and then scratching them up.
443
00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:34,507
That was their explanation
to many of these sightings.
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00:24:34,611 --> 00:24:36,371
CRAIG WOOLHEATER
The newspapers
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00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,512
didn't seem interested in
following up on the story
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00:24:39,616 --> 00:24:42,446
beyond the incredible
tire throwing incident,
447
00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:45,691
and many people were content
to explain it all away
448
00:24:45,794 --> 00:24:47,900
as the work of pranksters.
449
00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:51,904
And that would have been the end
of the Lake Worth Monster saga,
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00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,907
if it weren't for
Sallie Ann Clark.
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00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:58,151
After reading about the
incidents in the Fort Worth Star
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00:24:58,255 --> 00:25:01,051
Telegram, Clark made
her way to Greer island
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00:25:01,154 --> 00:25:04,054
to investigate for herself.
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00:25:04,157 --> 00:25:07,057
Armed with a camera and
a cassette tape recorder,
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00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,681
Clark proceeded to interview
dozens of witnesses who claimed
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00:25:10,785 --> 00:25:13,235
to have encountered the beast.
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00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:15,652
She then compiled
the information,
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00:25:15,755 --> 00:25:19,414
along with her own observations,
into a self-published book
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00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,899
titled The Lake Worth
Monster of Greer
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00:25:22,003 --> 00:25:30,701
Island, Fort Worth, Texas, which
was released in September 1969.
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00:25:30,805 --> 00:25:32,738
All I can tell you
about Sallie Ann Clark
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00:25:32,841 --> 00:25:34,947
is what she reveals in her book.
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00:25:35,050 --> 00:25:39,883
And so she is a self-described
private investigator
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00:25:39,986 --> 00:25:41,678
and freelance writer.
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00:25:41,781 --> 00:25:45,889
And what else she was doing
beyond that, I have no idea.
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00:25:45,992 --> 00:25:49,409
But that is the angle that
she takes in her book,
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00:25:49,513 --> 00:25:52,033
and it's a very
interesting read.
468
00:25:52,136 --> 00:25:58,453
She goes around in the book
describing her random driving
469
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,042
from one location to
another, especially
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00:26:01,145 --> 00:26:04,045
in the vicinity of Greer
Island, collecting reports
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00:26:04,148 --> 00:26:08,049
from individuals, some of which
are extremely dramatic stories.
472
00:26:08,152 --> 00:26:10,534
In one case, in the
flow of the book,
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00:26:10,638 --> 00:26:14,020
talks about meeting this
young eight, nine-year-old boy
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00:26:14,124 --> 00:26:16,609
on Greer Island,
getting a report
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00:26:16,713 --> 00:26:21,718
from him that the Lake Worth
Monster had killed his cousin.
476
00:26:21,821 --> 00:26:26,136
In detail, she goes into this
story about the Lake Worth
477
00:26:26,239 --> 00:26:27,931
Monster swinging
through the trees
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00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:30,692
with his cousin in
his arms and then
479
00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:33,246
throwing them, throwing
his cousin at a car,
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00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,386
effectively killing him.
481
00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:38,458
And that same boy
that she had talked to
482
00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:40,115
falls asleep on a rock.
483
00:26:40,219 --> 00:26:41,841
She wonders, what do
I do with this kid,
484
00:26:41,945 --> 00:26:43,843
because it's not her child.
485
00:26:43,947 --> 00:26:45,811
And that as she's
wondering what to do,
486
00:26:45,914 --> 00:26:48,917
she hears the sounds of the Lake
Worth Monster approaching her.
487
00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:53,301
She climbs up in a tree and
watches as the Lake Worth
488
00:26:53,404 --> 00:26:56,062
monster approaches this
boy, who's still asleep,
489
00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:59,238
and it scratches
the child's cheek
490
00:26:59,341 --> 00:27:02,759
and then wakes up,
sees the monster,
491
00:27:02,862 --> 00:27:06,797
and calls out to Sallie
Ann, who's up in the tree.
492
00:27:06,901 --> 00:27:10,939
"Lady, lady, I'm seeing the
monster that I told you about."
493
00:27:11,043 --> 00:27:13,873
And then after that
whole incident wraps up,
494
00:27:13,977 --> 00:27:17,049
she goes to the diner
and has a piece of pie.
495
00:27:17,152 --> 00:27:18,533
It's very bizarre.
496
00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:21,570
And to this day, I
don't really know
497
00:27:21,674 --> 00:27:24,608
how to take that bit
of writing, because she
498
00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:28,129
presents it as factual,
take it or leave it.
499
00:27:28,232 --> 00:27:30,925
And it's sort of
Gonzo journalism
500
00:27:31,028 --> 00:27:34,687
before that phrase was
even coined, I think.
501
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:37,241
After Sallie Ann Clark's venture
502
00:27:37,345 --> 00:27:40,969
into the case, another notable
researcher dug into the Monster
503
00:27:41,073 --> 00:27:42,833
of Lake Worth's story.
504
00:27:42,937 --> 00:27:44,110
Ken Gerhard.
505
00:27:44,214 --> 00:27:46,112
I first
investigated the Lake Worth
506
00:27:46,216 --> 00:27:49,391
Goatman about 20
years ago, 2004,
507
00:27:49,495 --> 00:27:51,911
along with another researcher
named Nick Redfern.
508
00:27:52,015 --> 00:27:54,293
We went to the Greer
Island Nature Center.
509
00:27:54,396 --> 00:27:57,745
We found The Bluff, the area
where it supposedly threw a tire
510
00:27:57,848 --> 00:28:00,023
at this crowd of people,
and then we went out
511
00:28:00,126 --> 00:28:03,026
onto Greer island itself,
which was said to be the haunt
512
00:28:03,129 --> 00:28:04,821
of this Goatman creature.
513
00:28:04,924 --> 00:28:08,997
And we did find a weird
teepee-like structure.
514
00:28:09,101 --> 00:28:10,758
We found a large
impression on the ground
515
00:28:10,861 --> 00:28:12,621
nearby where something
had been laying down,
516
00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,901
and we also found the remains of
a fish that had been half eaten.
517
00:28:16,004 --> 00:28:18,904
So since that time, I've been
to that particular location
518
00:28:19,007 --> 00:28:20,629
a few different times.
519
00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:23,563
I looked around, I haven't
found any significant evidence,
520
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:26,635
and in fact, I spoke to
some of the park rangers
521
00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:29,121
there and asked them
about the monster legend,
522
00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:30,709
and they kind of
tried to brush it off
523
00:28:30,812 --> 00:28:32,711
and say that it was
probably a hoax,
524
00:28:32,814 --> 00:28:35,437
maybe someone dressed up
in a costume and so forth.
525
00:28:35,541 --> 00:28:37,025
But it's worth noting
that there were
526
00:28:37,129 --> 00:28:39,510
a lot of people that claimed
to have seen this creature.
527
00:28:39,614 --> 00:28:42,237
But the Lake Worth
monster is very--
528
00:28:42,341 --> 00:28:45,033
is described, always, in
very aggressive terms.
529
00:28:45,137 --> 00:28:48,485
Beating people against the
side of their cars, one
530
00:28:48,588 --> 00:28:52,523
ex-military person
that Clark allegedly
531
00:28:52,627 --> 00:28:55,147
spoke to who made a big
deal out of the fact
532
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:58,115
that he had purchased
this convertible,
533
00:28:58,219 --> 00:28:59,738
and he was very proud of it.
534
00:28:59,841 --> 00:29:01,153
He mentions it a
number of times,
535
00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:03,017
was driving around
out on Greer Island,
536
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,088
before all these
other reports hit,
537
00:29:05,191 --> 00:29:08,263
and he saw the
monster bludgeoning
538
00:29:08,367 --> 00:29:12,958
this guy against the side of his
car, almost apparently to death.
539
00:29:13,061 --> 00:29:16,858
And he said, I had far too
much to drink at the time,
540
00:29:16,962 --> 00:29:18,791
but I sobered up on
my way back to town
541
00:29:18,895 --> 00:29:21,483
because I was going
180, putting this car
542
00:29:21,587 --> 00:29:23,692
to-- taking it to its limits.
543
00:29:40,882 --> 00:29:42,401
CRAIG WOOLHEATER
I myself
544
00:29:42,504 --> 00:29:45,542
have done extensive research
into the story of the Lake Worth
545
00:29:45,645 --> 00:29:50,098
Monster, even finding witnesses
who were only just now talking
546
00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:52,273
about their experiences.
547
00:29:52,376 --> 00:29:55,863
My own book, The Lake Worth
The True Story
548
00:29:55,966 --> 00:29:59,625
of The Greer Island Goatman,
delves both into the history
549
00:29:59,728 --> 00:30:03,353
of the case and the legacy it
has built around my hometown
550
00:30:03,456 --> 00:30:05,217
of Fort Worth.
551
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,462
But the answers as to what
the creature is or was
552
00:30:09,566 --> 00:30:11,948
remains a mystery.
553
00:30:12,051 --> 00:30:14,709
One theory, however,
presents itself
554
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:18,299
most prominently in another
encounter with the monster.
555
00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:22,717
The last alleged sighting
occurred in November of 1969,
556
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:25,099
when a guy named Charles
Buchanan was parked
557
00:30:25,202 --> 00:30:28,240
alongside Lake Worth, and he
claimed the creature climbed up
558
00:30:28,343 --> 00:30:29,966
in the bed of his
pickup truck and stole
559
00:30:30,069 --> 00:30:33,003
a bag of fried chicken, and
then jumped in the lake and swam
560
00:30:33,107 --> 00:30:34,418
away.
561
00:30:34,522 --> 00:30:36,455
Before Buchanan left the scene,
562
00:30:36,558 --> 00:30:39,182
he spotted something
on the ground,
563
00:30:39,285 --> 00:30:42,150
a footprint that
resembled that of a human,
564
00:30:42,254 --> 00:30:46,085
yet it was 18 inches long.
565
00:30:46,189 --> 00:30:49,019
Cryptid enthusiasts would
be quick to point out
566
00:30:49,123 --> 00:30:52,574
that a giant, human-shaped
footprint might belong
567
00:30:52,678 --> 00:30:55,129
to something like
a Sasquatch, rather
568
00:30:55,232 --> 00:30:56,751
than a goat-like creature.
569
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,305
And indeed, there
seems to be a lot
570
00:30:59,409 --> 00:31:05,139
of Sasquatch activity in the
areas surrounding Lake Worth.
571
00:31:05,242 --> 00:31:09,591
In the 1960s, newspapers
reported run-ins with ape-like
572
00:31:09,695 --> 00:31:13,112
creatures in the areas
surrounding Fort Worth,
573
00:31:13,216 --> 00:31:16,081
encounters with
so-called wild men.
574
00:31:16,184 --> 00:31:19,291
Large, man-like
figures covered in hair
575
00:31:19,394 --> 00:31:22,915
were confrontational in
nature, with the wildman
576
00:31:23,019 --> 00:31:28,265
growling, yelling, or throwing
rocks at the eyewitnesses.
577
00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:31,993
While Sasquatch are typically
described as being covered
578
00:31:32,097 --> 00:31:36,377
in dark hair, some reports,
especially those in the Northern
579
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,588
United States, describe
Sasquatch with white hair,
580
00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:46,421
matching the description of the
Lake Worth Monster more closely.
581
00:31:46,525 --> 00:31:48,665
But the Lake Worth
Monster is not
582
00:31:48,768 --> 00:31:51,910
the only Goatman story
to be closely associated
583
00:31:52,013 --> 00:31:54,188
with Sasquatch reports.
584
00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:58,744
In 1957, a week-long panic
gripped the town of Upper
585
00:31:58,847 --> 00:32:02,610
Marlboro, Maryland, when over
200 people claimed to have
586
00:32:02,713 --> 00:32:06,752
encountered a large bipedal
ape that was quickly dubbed
587
00:32:06,855 --> 00:32:08,823
"The Abominable Phantom."
588
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:12,654
Local authorities searched the
woods of Prince George's County,
589
00:32:12,758 --> 00:32:16,279
but found no sign of
the alleged creature.
590
00:32:16,382 --> 00:32:19,938
All of this occurring a little
less than a decade and a half
591
00:32:20,041 --> 00:32:23,942
before the Goatman of
Bowie made his debut.
592
00:32:24,045 --> 00:32:25,978
So you can imagine
a lot of this stuff
593
00:32:26,082 --> 00:32:28,532
is about perspective
and interpretation.
594
00:32:28,636 --> 00:32:30,500
If somebody's out in the
woods where they heard
595
00:32:30,603 --> 00:32:34,400
there was a Goatman and they see
a big hairy man-like creature
596
00:32:34,504 --> 00:32:37,472
running through the woods,
well, then that's the Goatman.
597
00:32:37,576 --> 00:32:39,785
People aren't thinking
Bigfoot, at that point.
598
00:32:39,888 --> 00:32:42,201
They've already had
their perspective
599
00:32:42,305 --> 00:32:43,444
colored, to some extent.
600
00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:48,690
If we're open
to the idea of Sasquatches
601
00:32:48,794 --> 00:32:53,143
existence, which I know many
people are, then the idea
602
00:32:53,247 --> 00:32:55,835
that Sasquatch could be seen
and then mistaken for something
603
00:32:55,939 --> 00:33:00,323
else could explain any number of
supernatural or cryptozoological
604
00:33:00,426 --> 00:33:02,083
encounters, because
many of these sightings
605
00:33:02,187 --> 00:33:03,567
take place from a
distance, they're
606
00:33:03,671 --> 00:33:06,432
very fleeting, they're
often taking place at night,
607
00:33:06,536 --> 00:33:08,296
they're in very
frantic situations.
608
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,989
So if Sasquatch is
out there, which
609
00:33:11,092 --> 00:33:13,577
I tend to think there's a
pretty good chance that it is,
610
00:33:13,681 --> 00:33:15,407
I think that's
certainly a possibility.
611
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:17,098
What's striking about
these descriptions,
612
00:33:17,202 --> 00:33:19,721
though, when we're talking
about the Goatman motif,
613
00:33:19,825 --> 00:33:22,379
is this recurring idea
of it having horns.
614
00:33:22,483 --> 00:33:25,037
And Sasquatch, if we're
going on the assumption
615
00:33:25,141 --> 00:33:26,866
that it's a primate,
primates generally
616
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:28,937
don't have horns, so
that's kind of where
617
00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:31,354
we run into some difficulty.
618
00:33:31,457 --> 00:33:32,700
As a cryptozoologist.
619
00:33:32,803 --> 00:33:35,254
First, I have to consider
the fact that something
620
00:33:35,358 --> 00:33:39,086
like a half-man, half-goat,
an anthropomorphic creature,
621
00:33:39,189 --> 00:33:43,228
is a zoological impossibility.
622
00:33:43,331 --> 00:33:48,854
The two lineages that led to us
Homo sapiens and artiodactyls,
623
00:33:48,957 --> 00:33:52,306
or hoofed animals, like goats,
the last common ancestor
624
00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:56,068
we shared was about 65 million
years ago or something.
625
00:33:56,172 --> 00:33:58,346
So you're talking about
two distinct lineages that
626
00:33:58,450 --> 00:34:00,659
went in opposite
directions, that evolved
627
00:34:00,762 --> 00:34:03,110
over a long period of
time, and therefore,
628
00:34:03,213 --> 00:34:04,766
could not converge again.
629
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:07,424
So it's a biological
impossibility, which almost
630
00:34:07,528 --> 00:34:11,118
implies either more of
a supernatural origin,
631
00:34:11,221 --> 00:34:12,912
or there are some
people that talk
632
00:34:13,016 --> 00:34:15,846
about diabolical
genetic experiments,
633
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:18,228
where nefarious
government agencies
634
00:34:18,332 --> 00:34:22,232
or laboratories are trying
to splice human and goat DNA.
635
00:34:22,336 --> 00:34:25,097
Now, admittedly, that
type of knowledge
636
00:34:25,201 --> 00:34:27,203
is kind of beyond
my understanding,
637
00:34:27,306 --> 00:34:30,102
so I don't know if that can
actually be achieved or not.
638
00:34:30,206 --> 00:34:33,657
But it's worth noting that,
throughout history, there
639
00:34:33,761 --> 00:34:36,212
have been weird genetic
anomalies in humans.
640
00:34:36,315 --> 00:34:38,766
For example, there have
been humans born with tails.
641
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,251
It's very, very rare,
but it does happen.
642
00:34:41,355 --> 00:34:42,873
And it's called an atavism.
643
00:34:42,977 --> 00:34:45,635
An atavism is when
a human displays
644
00:34:45,738 --> 00:34:49,535
an ancient physical trait
that's locked into our deep
645
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,883
in our genetic code from
a long, long time ago.
646
00:34:52,987 --> 00:34:55,748
And there are also humans that
have horns, believe it or not,
647
00:34:55,852 --> 00:34:57,819
they're called cutaneous horns.
648
00:34:57,923 --> 00:35:01,478
And it's actually a strange type
of tumor that grows on people,
649
00:35:01,582 --> 00:35:04,240
and oftentimes, on their
foreheads, strangely enough,
650
00:35:04,343 --> 00:35:06,104
and it looks just like a horn.
651
00:35:06,207 --> 00:35:08,106
There's a woman in China
known as the unicorn
652
00:35:08,209 --> 00:35:10,763
woman that has one of
these horn like structures.
653
00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:13,318
So you can imagine,
throughout history,
654
00:35:13,421 --> 00:35:15,423
if there were humans
with horns or humans
655
00:35:15,527 --> 00:35:20,083
with tails, as rare as that was,
how that might apply or spawn
656
00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:21,705
some of these Goatman legends.
657
00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:26,296
While misinterpreted Sasquatch
658
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,989
sightings may explain away
some of the Goatman sightings,
659
00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:32,406
it does not explain
the description
660
00:35:32,509 --> 00:35:35,409
of horns, which are so
characteristic of these
661
00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:36,996
creatures.
662
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:40,621
A biological answer
doesn't seem likely either,
663
00:35:40,724 --> 00:35:44,038
leaving few rational
possibilities to explain
664
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:46,696
the creatures origins.
665
00:35:46,799 --> 00:35:50,251
One of these possibilities
leads to a much darker side
666
00:35:50,355 --> 00:35:53,116
of the phenomenon,
one that also shines
667
00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:56,257
a light on the darkest
parts of humanity.
668
00:35:56,361 --> 00:36:01,814
And it lies only 30 miles
away from Lake Worth.
669
00:36:01,918 --> 00:36:04,023
The Goatman of
the old Alton Bridge
670
00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:08,200
is one that I find fascinating
because of its roots
671
00:36:08,304 --> 00:36:13,378
in local folklore, having
to do with a bridge that
672
00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:15,863
connected a couple
communities, essentially,
673
00:36:15,966 --> 00:36:17,451
in North Central Texas.
674
00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:18,969
The
story is that there
675
00:36:19,073 --> 00:36:21,834
was an African-American
goat farmer in the area
676
00:36:21,938 --> 00:36:23,215
who was very successful.
677
00:36:23,319 --> 00:36:25,942
He was doing very well,
making a big name for himself.
678
00:36:26,045 --> 00:36:29,152
His name was purported
to be Oscar Washburn,
679
00:36:29,256 --> 00:36:31,465
is how the story goes.
680
00:36:31,568 --> 00:36:35,089
Had become fairly
successful in being a goatherd
681
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:38,920
and selling goat
products in the area.
682
00:36:39,024 --> 00:36:42,407
And in fact, advertising
his wares by hanging
683
00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:47,308
a sign on the Alton Bridge that
said, "this way to the Goatman."
684
00:36:47,412 --> 00:36:50,138
And it was his form
of advertising.
685
00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:55,282
Evidently, the local KKK didn't
like that too much and hated
686
00:36:55,385 --> 00:36:59,389
the idea of a successful
Black man peddling his wares,
687
00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:03,669
so they held a clandestine
town council meeting where they
688
00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:07,535
outlawed the type of
advertising that he had placed
689
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,369
on the bridge, and then went out
to accost him and accuse him,
690
00:37:13,472 --> 00:37:16,924
and tried to throw him
in jail for this crime
691
00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:18,408
that he was now committing.
692
00:37:18,512 --> 00:37:21,687
They formed a noose, and
they were going to lynch him
693
00:37:21,791 --> 00:37:23,275
off of the side of the bridge.
694
00:37:23,379 --> 00:37:24,690
And when they did that--
695
00:37:24,794 --> 00:37:27,348
and here's where many
variations occur,
696
00:37:27,452 --> 00:37:32,526
either that they went
through with the lynching,
697
00:37:32,629 --> 00:37:34,976
only to find that
his body was missing,
698
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,083
or that his head had become
separated from the body,
699
00:37:38,186 --> 00:37:43,019
and depending on what version
you hear, but they then go back
700
00:37:43,122 --> 00:37:46,333
from that apparently
unsuccessful attempt
701
00:37:46,436 --> 00:37:48,783
to kill him, or
it was successful,
702
00:37:48,887 --> 00:37:51,269
and they buried the
body and told everyone
703
00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:54,099
they couldn't find the
body, but evidently, they
704
00:37:54,202 --> 00:37:57,758
murdered the entire
Washburn family after that.
705
00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:06,249
And as a result
of this horrific event,
706
00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:09,459
this half-man, half-goat
entity is now purported
707
00:38:09,563 --> 00:38:11,668
to haunt the old Alton Bridge.
708
00:38:11,772 --> 00:38:14,257
And people go out there and
they do ghost investigations.
709
00:38:14,361 --> 00:38:17,087
They go out there at night, they
take EM readings and things.
710
00:38:17,191 --> 00:38:19,124
Sometimes they get results,
sometimes they don't.
711
00:38:19,227 --> 00:38:21,299
But this is one of
those stories that's
712
00:38:21,402 --> 00:38:24,612
associated more with the
darker side of this legend.
713
00:38:24,716 --> 00:38:27,305
It's not so much just
a monster sighting it.
714
00:38:27,408 --> 00:38:30,066
It talks about some of the
worst parts of humanity,
715
00:38:30,169 --> 00:38:32,448
and looks at some of the
darkest places in our history
716
00:38:32,551 --> 00:38:34,381
as the backdrop for this story.
717
00:38:34,484 --> 00:38:36,452
So unlike some of these
other Goatman legends,
718
00:38:36,555 --> 00:38:40,663
where oh, it was a government
experiment or a man cross-bred
719
00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:43,976
with goats, it's
grounded a lot more
720
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,393
in reality, in a very dark way.
721
00:38:46,496 --> 00:38:48,498
There's some
real weight to the story,
722
00:38:48,602 --> 00:38:52,537
because if that actually did
happen to Oscar Washburn, then
723
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:59,060
there is some sort of justice,
that it seems to be much needed.
724
00:38:59,164 --> 00:39:03,686
And to me, this is one of the
telltale signs of the Goatman,
725
00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:08,863
in many of these cases, where
he appears as a kind of avenger
726
00:39:08,967 --> 00:39:10,348
or an agent of judgment.
727
00:39:10,451 --> 00:39:12,557
The apparent difference
728
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:16,940
between the Goatman of old Alton
Bridge and other Goatman cases
729
00:39:17,044 --> 00:39:21,945
previously discussed is
its brutal origin story.
730
00:39:22,049 --> 00:39:25,501
No longer is the Goatman
a result of an experiment
731
00:39:25,604 --> 00:39:29,125
gone wrong or a
misidentified Sasquatch.
732
00:39:29,228 --> 00:39:33,060
It has now been transformed
into a spirit of vengeance,
733
00:39:33,163 --> 00:39:35,165
to right the wrongs
that the living
734
00:39:35,269 --> 00:39:36,995
have suffered at this bridge.
735
00:39:46,073 --> 00:39:50,077
The old Alton bridge is one of
the things that makes the Lake
736
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,804
Worth Monster so interesting,
because you have two Goatman
737
00:39:52,907 --> 00:39:56,601
stories or legends or sightings
that are really only about 35
738
00:39:56,704 --> 00:39:58,637
miles apart in a straight line.
739
00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:01,399
The Alton Bridge is a little bit
south of the Dallas Fort Worth
740
00:40:01,502 --> 00:40:04,367
area, and it's this
old iron trellis bridge
741
00:40:04,471 --> 00:40:06,611
that was constructed in 1884.
742
00:40:06,714 --> 00:40:08,647
And for a long time, it
was a main thoroughfare.
743
00:40:08,751 --> 00:40:11,892
It was used by people
on foot, horses, cars,
744
00:40:11,995 --> 00:40:14,446
until it was finally shut down
and they installed a new bridge
745
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:16,586
and moved the road
over a little bit.
746
00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:18,243
The bridge is still there.
747
00:40:18,346 --> 00:40:19,831
You can visit it,
you can walk on it,
748
00:40:19,934 --> 00:40:21,591
it's a popular tourist draw.
749
00:40:21,695 --> 00:40:25,733
And there's already a lot of
paranormal folklore associated
750
00:40:25,837 --> 00:40:27,632
with these old iron bridges.
751
00:40:27,735 --> 00:40:31,429
Iron itself has a lot
of lore and stories
752
00:40:31,532 --> 00:40:33,154
and mythology attached to it.
753
00:40:33,258 --> 00:40:37,055
Bridges are considered places
of crossing over, liminal areas.
754
00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:40,955
Water is considered to be a very
spiritual, supernatural thing
755
00:40:41,059 --> 00:40:42,405
in a lot of belief systems.
756
00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:45,166
So these old iron bridges,
for a lot of people,
757
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:47,652
represent intersections
of high strangeness.
758
00:40:47,755 --> 00:40:49,447
And when people
investigate these places
759
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:51,621
or they just visit them,
they very frequently
760
00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:54,624
come away talking about
ghosts, hearing voices.
761
00:40:54,728 --> 00:40:57,800
There's this idea in the
world of high strangeness
762
00:40:57,903 --> 00:41:00,009
and the paranormal,
of strange things
763
00:41:00,112 --> 00:41:02,632
existing in liminal spaces.
764
00:41:02,736 --> 00:41:04,427
Liminal, in this
sense, refers to like
765
00:41:04,531 --> 00:41:08,535
a threshold, a place that really
nothing has any sort of dominion
766
00:41:08,638 --> 00:41:09,605
over.
767
00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:12,539
So in this sense,
things can exist there.
768
00:41:12,642 --> 00:41:16,059
It's not really a place that
has a beginning or an ending.
769
00:41:16,163 --> 00:41:18,337
It's just a place
that's going somewhere.
770
00:41:18,441 --> 00:41:21,271
It sort of exists in
this transient state.
771
00:41:21,375 --> 00:41:23,584
So the idea of a
paranormal entity
772
00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:28,071
sort of finding a home there
kind of lends some credence.
773
00:41:28,175 --> 00:41:32,662
Now, you get other ideas of
like Hecate, the goddess,
774
00:41:32,766 --> 00:41:34,561
she's the ruler
of the crossroads.
775
00:41:34,664 --> 00:41:37,115
You have a lot of stories
of crossroads being
776
00:41:37,218 --> 00:41:38,530
associated with the paranormal.
777
00:41:38,634 --> 00:41:42,430
It kind of lends into the idea
of bridges and train tracks too.
778
00:41:42,534 --> 00:41:45,744
Deals going down there,
entities existing.
779
00:41:45,848 --> 00:41:48,851
So I think that could
play into the idea
780
00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:53,234
of why things exist near these
transient liminal places.
781
00:41:53,338 --> 00:41:55,927
"Crybaby bridges" is a
term I'm hearing more lately,
782
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:58,412
but people will report
hearing babies crying,
783
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,794
which is something we know
John Keel was talking about
784
00:42:00,897 --> 00:42:02,623
back in the '60s and the '70s.
785
00:42:02,727 --> 00:42:04,832
That's something that's been
in our minds for a while.
786
00:42:04,936 --> 00:42:06,593
But a lot of this stuff
seems to intersect
787
00:42:06,696 --> 00:42:08,008
with these iron bridges.
788
00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:11,667
Crybaby bridges or
crybaby lanes, for that matter,
789
00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:14,532
seem to be a phenomenon that you
can find in almost every state.
790
00:42:14,635 --> 00:42:16,016
Every state's got one.
791
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,019
So the the basic premise
of the crybaby bridge
792
00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:21,469
is, more often than
not, the bridge
793
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:23,402
becomes haunted because
of a terrible accident
794
00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:24,507
that happened there.
795
00:42:24,611 --> 00:42:26,544
People end up dying,
and then years later,
796
00:42:26,647 --> 00:42:28,856
activity will start to
be reported on there.
797
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,927
Now, in particular, when
it comes to crybabies,
798
00:42:31,031 --> 00:42:33,240
this often means that
there was a death
799
00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,794
of a child or several children.
800
00:42:35,898 --> 00:42:39,177
There's an interesting one in
North Carolina that originally
801
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,249
was considered to be
a Lovers' Lane bridge,
802
00:42:42,352 --> 00:42:47,185
but has since become
a crybaby bridge.
803
00:42:47,288 --> 00:42:51,292
Apparently, what happened here
is there was a school bus that
804
00:42:51,396 --> 00:42:53,053
ended up veering
off of this bridge,
805
00:42:53,156 --> 00:42:55,331
and all of the children
in the driver died.
806
00:42:55,434 --> 00:42:57,505
Fast forward several
decades later,
807
00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:59,680
this bridge has now been
remade and another road
808
00:42:59,784 --> 00:43:01,475
has been put on the side of
it, so the bridge is just
809
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:03,995
kind of abandoned, and this
becomes a very popular spot
810
00:43:04,098 --> 00:43:06,066
for teenagers to go
run off and make out
811
00:43:06,169 --> 00:43:07,585
in the middle of the evening.
812
00:43:07,688 --> 00:43:11,347
And it wasn't too far after
this little bridge became
813
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:15,178
a private hiding spot for
teenagers that most kids who
814
00:43:15,282 --> 00:43:18,388
went out there started to
report hearing children crying
815
00:43:18,492 --> 00:43:20,736
and handprints appearing
on the windows.
816
00:43:28,744 --> 00:43:32,402
There's always been a link
with supernatural creatures
817
00:43:32,506 --> 00:43:36,406
and bridges of various
from various cultures.
818
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:39,547
Trolls are supposed
to live under bridges,
819
00:43:39,651 --> 00:43:42,792
spirits can't cross
water, things like that.
820
00:43:42,896 --> 00:43:45,277
If he is a
supernatural creature,
821
00:43:45,381 --> 00:43:49,799
allegedly running water can
provide energy for things
822
00:43:49,903 --> 00:43:52,422
to manifest, so it might
be easier for something
823
00:43:52,526 --> 00:43:57,255
like Goatman, if he is something
akin to a spirit that needs
824
00:43:57,358 --> 00:44:00,154
energy to appear, a bridge
would be a good location
825
00:44:00,258 --> 00:44:02,536
for him to do that.
826
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,023
And there's often supernatural
and paranormal aspects
827
00:44:07,127 --> 00:44:09,508
and stories of many
bridges around,
828
00:44:09,612 --> 00:44:12,270
such as Emily's Bridge
in Stowe, Vermont,
829
00:44:12,373 --> 00:44:16,377
where there was a tragic
story of a bride-to-be who
830
00:44:16,481 --> 00:44:18,794
ended her life around
this bridge as she
831
00:44:18,897 --> 00:44:20,381
was stood up at the altar.
832
00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:23,661
And there are many stories
like that elsewhere as well.
833
00:44:23,764 --> 00:44:27,423
There's all sorts of haunted
bridges all over the world.
834
00:44:27,526 --> 00:44:29,390
We have a couple in Texas.
835
00:44:29,494 --> 00:44:31,772
We have another
human-animal hybrid,
836
00:44:31,876 --> 00:44:34,016
the Donkey Lady
Bridge in San Antonio,
837
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:35,673
down on old Applewhite Road.
838
00:44:35,776 --> 00:44:37,398
And that's a very
similar story to some
839
00:44:37,502 --> 00:44:40,367
of these Goatman legends,
where someone was killed
840
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:42,749
and somehow they were
fused with this animal,
841
00:44:42,852 --> 00:44:44,405
and now they haunt this area.
842
00:44:44,509 --> 00:44:47,339
And it's a tradition, or was
for a long time in San Antonio,
843
00:44:47,443 --> 00:44:49,790
for people to drive out there
at night and park their car,
844
00:44:49,894 --> 00:44:51,171
go poke around in the woods.
845
00:44:51,274 --> 00:44:53,621
And there are a lot of stories,
if you look around online,
846
00:44:53,725 --> 00:44:56,348
of people hearing something or
seeing something in the woods.
847
00:44:56,452 --> 00:44:59,938
So it's a recurring motif
that we see in our culture.
848
00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:03,183
It's something that pops
up all over the place.
849
00:45:03,286 --> 00:45:05,047
I'm honestly not
sure if there's really
850
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:08,222
a paranormal connotation
to these goatmen
851
00:45:08,326 --> 00:45:10,777
being seen in specific
areas around bridges
852
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,330
and railroad tracks.
853
00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:16,023
I tend to think it's more
of a cultural phenomenon,
854
00:45:16,127 --> 00:45:19,958
in terms of the old legends
of European trolls living
855
00:45:20,062 --> 00:45:22,064
under bridges and
some of those stories.
856
00:45:22,167 --> 00:45:25,377
As far as railroad
tracks go, I think
857
00:45:25,481 --> 00:45:27,379
it's interesting
to point out that I
858
00:45:27,483 --> 00:45:31,418
grew up next to some railroad
tracks, kind of in a rural area.
859
00:45:31,521 --> 00:45:33,731
And there's almost
something spooky,
860
00:45:33,834 --> 00:45:37,044
particularly as a young person,
when you go out to these areas,
861
00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:39,081
these Lovers' Lane
areas, if you will,
862
00:45:39,184 --> 00:45:41,497
where these goatmen
have been described.
863
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,465
There's something kind of
spooky about railroad tracks,
864
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:47,261
particularly when you're walking
along a long line of railroad
865
00:45:47,365 --> 00:45:50,023
tracks next to a forested area.
866
00:45:50,126 --> 00:45:51,024
I don't know.
867
00:45:51,127 --> 00:45:53,336
It's quite an
interesting question.
868
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,304
One could derive the
idea that there's
869
00:45:55,407 --> 00:45:58,514
some type of energetic
force or something
870
00:45:58,617 --> 00:46:01,034
that conjures up
these Goatman images
871
00:46:01,137 --> 00:46:03,519
when you're in these
specific types of locations.
872
00:46:06,073 --> 00:46:08,800
The stories of Goatman seem more
873
00:46:08,904 --> 00:46:12,597
paranormal in nature, but why?
874
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,220
I think it's kind
of hard to pinpoint
875
00:46:15,324 --> 00:46:19,086
a Goatman entity existing
as a biological creature.
876
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:21,399
There's nothing in
the fossil record that
877
00:46:21,502 --> 00:46:23,711
suggests a Goatman could exist.
878
00:46:23,815 --> 00:46:26,473
Unlike a Bigfoot, you have
Gigantopithecus, things
879
00:46:26,576 --> 00:46:28,751
like that, that we have
evidence of something
880
00:46:28,855 --> 00:46:30,822
like this can
actually biologically
881
00:46:30,926 --> 00:46:32,168
walk around and exist.
882
00:46:32,272 --> 00:46:34,515
Goatman, on the other
hand, not so much.
883
00:46:34,619 --> 00:46:37,795
However, if you tie in the
idea of the supernatural,
884
00:46:37,898 --> 00:46:40,487
the paranormal, and
these things existing
885
00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:44,974
without any rhyme or reason,
but through fantastical means,
886
00:46:45,078 --> 00:46:47,114
I think something
like that can exist.
887
00:46:47,218 --> 00:46:49,530
Maybe it's phasing in
and out of reality,
888
00:46:49,634 --> 00:46:55,088
or is some sort of ancient
deity that pops into existence,
889
00:46:55,191 --> 00:46:59,955
I think that may be more
of what's going on here.
890
00:47:00,058 --> 00:47:03,924
I don't think a half-man,
half-goat makes any sense
891
00:47:04,028 --> 00:47:07,203
in the biological kingdom,
based on my limited
892
00:47:07,307 --> 00:47:08,584
zoological knowledge.
893
00:47:08,687 --> 00:47:12,691
And unlike a lot of other
human-animal chimeric beings
894
00:47:12,795 --> 00:47:14,935
that we see in
folklore and mythology,
895
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,869
and even in the modern
cryptozoological lexicon,
896
00:47:17,973 --> 00:47:22,529
Goatman is generally described
as distinctly being half-human,
897
00:47:22,632 --> 00:47:26,015
half-goat, as having
this goat head on a very
898
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,672
distinctly human body.
899
00:47:27,775 --> 00:47:29,639
That doesn't really make sense.
900
00:47:29,743 --> 00:47:32,608
So if it's not a hoax,
a hallucination, just
901
00:47:32,711 --> 00:47:35,714
an urban legend, if it's
something that actually exists
902
00:47:35,818 --> 00:47:37,820
in the form that
we're perceiving it,
903
00:47:37,924 --> 00:47:39,960
you could make the
argument that it would have
904
00:47:40,064 --> 00:47:41,859
to be something supernatural.
905
00:47:41,962 --> 00:47:45,310
Something from outside
the veil, if you like.
906
00:47:45,414 --> 00:47:47,485
Returning to the beast
907
00:47:47,588 --> 00:47:51,799
of Billiwhack, we see that the
paranormal aspect of the Goatman
908
00:47:51,903 --> 00:47:57,046
legend is not far from the more
commonly touted origin stories.
909
00:47:57,150 --> 00:48:01,050
Leasowe Canyon is also home
to what some Spanish speakers
910
00:48:01,154 --> 00:48:04,640
call the Chivo Man,
a Goatman-like entity
911
00:48:04,743 --> 00:48:06,918
with supernatural roots.
912
00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:10,059
So the Chivo Man and
the Billiwhack monster,
913
00:48:10,163 --> 00:48:12,096
they're essentially
one and the same.
914
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,410
The only difference there is,
the Chivo Man has more of roots
915
00:48:16,514 --> 00:48:21,139
in Mexico and Central
America, as the y chivo
916
00:48:21,243 --> 00:48:25,730
creature, which is essentially
a Goatman-like creature that
917
00:48:25,833 --> 00:48:27,145
is human.
918
00:48:27,249 --> 00:48:33,151
It's a brujo, a witch, a male
witch that utilizes witchcraft
919
00:48:33,255 --> 00:48:37,052
to turn himself into a
Goatman-like creature
920
00:48:37,155 --> 00:48:40,710
or other sort of
humanoid-looking entities.
921
00:48:40,814 --> 00:48:44,438
And one of the interesting
things about that,
922
00:48:44,542 --> 00:48:50,617
if you were to tie in witchcraft
into the idea of the Billiwhack
923
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,171
monster, the
Billiwhack monster is
924
00:48:53,275 --> 00:48:57,693
located in the Billiwhack
Ranch, but that was originally
925
00:48:57,796 --> 00:49:00,903
in the Aliso Canyon area.
926
00:49:01,007 --> 00:49:05,183
That's what the entire area
surrounding Billiwhack Ranch is.
927
00:49:05,287 --> 00:49:09,670
Now, "aliso" means
alder in English.
928
00:49:09,774 --> 00:49:11,603
So Alder tree.
929
00:49:11,707 --> 00:49:14,158
If you look into
elemental magic,
930
00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:18,610
the Alder tree is
associated with being
931
00:49:18,714 --> 00:49:24,202
a gateway for the fairy
folk, the fae people.
932
00:49:24,306 --> 00:49:28,482
It's utilized as a portal to
go from one realm to the next.
933
00:49:28,586 --> 00:49:32,555
So if you were to add in
the idea of witchcraft
934
00:49:32,659 --> 00:49:37,146
into the idea of this
Billiwhack monster creature,
935
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:41,702
now you can see why a creature
can pop in and phase in and out
936
00:49:41,806 --> 00:49:44,464
of existence, and
not really have
937
00:49:44,567 --> 00:49:49,055
any sort of biological
precedent for existing.
938
00:49:49,158 --> 00:49:52,092
And the Aliso Canyon
area acting somewhat
939
00:49:52,196 --> 00:49:56,821
as a window area, a hotspot for
anomalous activity to exist.
940
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,450
When considering the possibility
941
00:50:05,554 --> 00:50:08,798
of the Goatman being
something otherworldly,
942
00:50:08,902 --> 00:50:13,769
the floodgates are open to
a plethora of explanations.
943
00:50:13,872 --> 00:50:18,325
Nathan Couch, author of the
book Goatman: Flesher Folklore,
944
00:50:18,429 --> 00:50:21,190
offers one of the most
interesting and unique
945
00:50:21,294 --> 00:50:23,779
takes on what the
Goatman may be.
946
00:50:26,506 --> 00:50:29,371
We discussed, like, could
he be a zoological creature?
947
00:50:29,474 --> 00:50:31,856
And I think it's
an impossibility.
948
00:50:31,959 --> 00:50:33,720
And the fact-- and of
course, I said earlier
949
00:50:33,823 --> 00:50:36,378
that he has a lot of
supernatural traits
950
00:50:36,481 --> 00:50:40,451
and skills in these stories
and in these sightings.
951
00:50:40,554 --> 00:50:42,936
I think if he does
exist, he'd have
952
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,560
to be something supernatural,
something that hasn't
953
00:50:46,664 --> 00:50:48,114
been explained by science yet.
954
00:50:48,217 --> 00:50:52,704
I think he'd have to be like
a nature spirit of some type.
955
00:50:52,808 --> 00:50:55,052
I don't really
necessarily mean a spirit,
956
00:50:55,155 --> 00:50:58,986
as in a ghost or human
spirit, but pagan religions
957
00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:04,233
worship nature spirits like the
fey, fairies or nature spirits,
958
00:51:04,337 --> 00:51:08,410
all these things like gnomes,
trolls, things of that nature.
959
00:51:08,513 --> 00:51:11,447
They're all these supernatural
creatures that exist in nature
960
00:51:11,551 --> 00:51:13,518
that aren't human, and
they have some sort
961
00:51:13,622 --> 00:51:17,074
of supernatural or
divine quality to them.
962
00:51:17,177 --> 00:51:21,457
Goatman looks a lot like the
god Pan, from Greek mythology.
963
00:51:21,561 --> 00:51:24,046
He was a half-man,
half-goat creature.
964
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:26,462
Pan was the god of the wild.
965
00:51:26,566 --> 00:51:29,086
He was very connected
to nature, very
966
00:51:29,189 --> 00:51:30,984
symbolic of humankind's
relationship
967
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:33,090
with nature in the
Greek pantheon.
968
00:51:33,193 --> 00:51:37,024
And the term panic, as in
extreme fear that we use today,
969
00:51:37,128 --> 00:51:38,888
comes from Pan's name.
970
00:51:38,992 --> 00:51:40,683
That's the root term for that.
971
00:51:40,787 --> 00:51:42,823
Because Pan, when you're
walking in the wilderness
972
00:51:42,927 --> 00:51:45,550
and you hear animals howling
in the wind and the sounds
973
00:51:45,654 --> 00:51:48,795
of the wild, that's said
to be Pan shouting at you
974
00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:52,109
or calling out into the night as
you pass through his territory.
975
00:51:52,212 --> 00:51:54,559
So when you look
at the modern day
976
00:51:54,663 --> 00:51:58,115
and you have some of these
more modern Goatman encounters,
977
00:51:58,218 --> 00:52:00,289
a lot of times, they're
accompanied by people saying,
978
00:52:00,393 --> 00:52:02,981
I heard a wailing sound, I
heard this horrible scream,
979
00:52:03,085 --> 00:52:05,122
this inhuman cry
coming from the night.
980
00:52:05,225 --> 00:52:08,539
So at the very least, there's a
tangential correlation, not only
981
00:52:08,642 --> 00:52:10,748
in the physical
resemblance between Pan
982
00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:13,889
and the modern Goatman, if you
want to call it that, but also
983
00:52:13,992 --> 00:52:15,546
the way in which
these things behave
984
00:52:15,649 --> 00:52:17,272
and the way in which
they seem to approach
985
00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:20,240
people when they're in these
wild and wooded places.
986
00:52:20,344 --> 00:52:23,554
And there is
an exact sighting in Dallas,
987
00:52:23,657 --> 00:52:26,936
near white Rock Lake, that I
believe Nick Redfern uncovered,
988
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,905
where a woman who was
jogging around the lake,
989
00:52:30,008 --> 00:52:31,320
felt like she was being watched.
990
00:52:31,424 --> 00:52:34,289
She turned, she saw
this goat-like creature
991
00:52:34,392 --> 00:52:35,635
looking at her, smirking.
992
00:52:35,738 --> 00:52:37,361
It walked towards
her a little bit
993
00:52:37,464 --> 00:52:40,847
and then there was
a smell of sulfur.
994
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:43,746
He just disappeared in a
flash after laughing at her,
995
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:45,369
and she said she
felt like she was
996
00:52:45,472 --> 00:52:49,442
having a panic attack, something
that she had never felt before.
997
00:52:49,545 --> 00:52:51,237
CRAIG WOOLHEATER
The parallels
998
00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:54,723
between the Goatmen and the
satyrs of the ancient world
999
00:52:54,826 --> 00:52:56,794
are obvious on the surface.
1000
00:52:56,897 --> 00:53:00,901
Half-man, half-goat figures
that live in the wild,
1001
00:53:01,005 --> 00:53:03,835
sometimes feeling
travelers with panic
1002
00:53:03,939 --> 00:53:08,461
if they are unlucky enough
to come upon one at night.
1003
00:53:08,564 --> 00:53:13,397
Yet, perhaps the connection
is more than skin deep.
1004
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:15,916
The
correlation between goatmen
1005
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:20,404
and satyrs or fauns really
seems very, very natural
1006
00:53:20,507 --> 00:53:22,544
when you stop to think
about the functions
1007
00:53:22,647 --> 00:53:25,340
of those figures in mythology.
1008
00:53:25,443 --> 00:53:30,103
They were associated
with virility, fertility.
1009
00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:34,280
They were also associated with
debauchery and wild parties.
1010
00:53:34,383 --> 00:53:37,524
And so it just seems like, in
the case of the Lovers' Lane
1011
00:53:37,628 --> 00:53:40,182
stories, they're
modern retellings
1012
00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:43,979
of these sort of Saturnalia.
1013
00:53:44,082 --> 00:53:47,569
I mean, that's where the phrase
comes from in the first place,
1014
00:53:47,672 --> 00:53:48,949
is the satyr.
1015
00:53:49,053 --> 00:53:55,542
And the overlap between that
and pagan holiday festivities.
1016
00:53:55,646 --> 00:54:00,513
Pan, as well, as far as a
lowercase god is concerned,
1017
00:54:00,616 --> 00:54:04,482
was very much involved
with these sort of tales.
1018
00:54:04,586 --> 00:54:07,002
And so there does
seem to be, again--
1019
00:54:07,105 --> 00:54:10,350
although in the modern
tellings, it's not so much
1020
00:54:10,454 --> 00:54:12,904
encouraging the behavior
as it is discouraging
1021
00:54:13,008 --> 00:54:15,424
or talking about consequences.
1022
00:54:18,772 --> 00:54:20,878
Exacting some sort of judgment.
1023
00:54:20,981 --> 00:54:23,674
In the case of
Alton Bridge, it's
1024
00:54:23,777 --> 00:54:30,405
a folkloric agent of judgment
in a frontier justice.
1025
00:54:30,508 --> 00:54:34,719
Some consequence must be levied
upon those who are doing wrong.
1026
00:54:34,823 --> 00:54:39,414
So I do see that there is a
way that those paradigms, even
1027
00:54:39,517 --> 00:54:42,796
though they they morph
slightly in function,
1028
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:46,110
that that seems to
be a pattern that
1029
00:54:46,213 --> 00:54:50,287
occupies the psyche of
humankind, for whatever reason.
1030
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:53,566
There does seem to be a
connection or correlation
1031
00:54:53,669 --> 00:54:57,190
between some of this activity
and the sexual energy
1032
00:54:57,294 --> 00:54:58,191
of human beings.
1033
00:54:58,295 --> 00:54:59,296
And the prime example
of that is you
1034
00:54:59,399 --> 00:55:00,780
start talking
about poltergeists.
1035
00:55:00,883 --> 00:55:03,645
These are often connected
to young women who are just
1036
00:55:03,748 --> 00:55:05,923
now beginning to come of
age, and all of a sudden,
1037
00:55:06,026 --> 00:55:07,476
this activity starts.
1038
00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:09,720
I think it might have
something to do with the fact
1039
00:55:09,823 --> 00:55:13,344
that around those times
in a person's life,
1040
00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:15,139
the chemicals in your
brain start to shift,
1041
00:55:15,242 --> 00:55:17,797
and therefore, your
perception is going to shift.
1042
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:20,938
And when that starts to happen,
there's a good possibility
1043
00:55:21,041 --> 00:55:23,699
that you might be able to open
yourself up to other channels
1044
00:55:23,803 --> 00:55:25,252
and see different
layers of reality.
1045
00:55:25,356 --> 00:55:27,565
And that's where I think a
lot of this stuff comes from,
1046
00:55:27,669 --> 00:55:30,327
is layers of reality that's
stacked on top of us.
1047
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:32,121
And at the same
time, I also think
1048
00:55:32,225 --> 00:55:35,228
that has something to do with
human consciousness and the way
1049
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:38,818
that we remember things
as far as history goes.
1050
00:55:38,921 --> 00:55:41,614
Because satyrs, they were
very popular and very believed
1051
00:55:41,717 --> 00:55:43,029
in during Greek times.
1052
00:55:43,132 --> 00:55:46,964
Now, fast forward to a time when
spirituality is not necessarily
1053
00:55:47,067 --> 00:55:51,417
part of our main sphere
of existence, but now
1054
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,246
we have all of these
people who are starting
1055
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:54,385
to take an interest in it.
1056
00:55:54,489 --> 00:55:56,353
So now we're starting to
see sightings of things
1057
00:55:56,456 --> 00:56:01,323
like Goatman, Dogman, stranger
cryptids that don't necessarily
1058
00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:05,223
have the popularity of, say,
Bigfoot or Loch Monster,
1059
00:56:05,327 --> 00:56:07,640
but enough sightings
in recent times
1060
00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:12,369
have certainly made it a
little bit more interesting.
1061
00:56:12,472 --> 00:56:14,129
You go
through this continuum
1062
00:56:14,232 --> 00:56:17,788
of natural explanations,
supernatural explanations,
1063
00:56:17,891 --> 00:56:20,653
scientific, and you'd think
that it would stop at that,
1064
00:56:20,756 --> 00:56:22,517
but it's kind of gone
back in the direction
1065
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:27,384
of the supernatural and
dark, even satanic direction.
1066
00:56:27,487 --> 00:56:32,043
And I think that's where this
idea that is whispered about
1067
00:56:32,147 --> 00:56:35,357
or talked about in
very cautious ways
1068
00:56:35,461 --> 00:56:39,188
is that somehow this thing could
have been conjured, in much
1069
00:56:39,292 --> 00:56:42,157
the same way as like dogmen
are talked about today,
1070
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:45,919
and highly suggested, like in
the case of the Beast of Bray
1071
00:56:46,023 --> 00:56:49,336
Road, for example, that
some sort of occult activity
1072
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,098
could have intentionally
or inadvertently
1073
00:56:52,201 --> 00:56:55,653
brought this thing to life.
1074
00:56:55,757 --> 00:57:01,521
And how that works, how long
that it stays in our dimension
1075
00:57:01,625 --> 00:57:03,281
are questions I'd
rather not know
1076
00:57:03,385 --> 00:57:06,008
the answers to, but
seem to be put forward
1077
00:57:06,112 --> 00:57:07,665
as a possible explanation.
1078
00:57:07,769 --> 00:57:09,426
CRAIG WOOLHEATER
These nature
1079
00:57:09,529 --> 00:57:13,326
spirits are not the only
thing the Goatman resembles.
1080
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:16,398
With a goat-like head
and a man-like body,
1081
00:57:16,502 --> 00:57:20,713
the Goatman might as well
be the devil himself.
1082
00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:23,370
I think what
sets the Goatman legend apart
1083
00:57:23,474 --> 00:57:28,548
from other cryptids is the
fact that our essential image
1084
00:57:28,652 --> 00:57:31,033
of a half-man,
half-goat conjures
1085
00:57:31,137 --> 00:57:37,074
up Satan, demons, the
embodiment of ultimate evil.
1086
00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:39,663
And so in that
respect, the Goatman
1087
00:57:39,766 --> 00:57:42,320
is almost scarier than
something like a Bigfoot,
1088
00:57:42,424 --> 00:57:45,427
or a Dogman, or
even a chupacabra,
1089
00:57:45,531 --> 00:57:49,362
because it is demonic in nature.
1090
00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:52,434
It's got paganistic
qualities, so it hearkens back
1091
00:57:52,538 --> 00:57:55,644
to that ancient form
of evil, something
1092
00:57:55,748 --> 00:58:00,373
that evolved centuries ago,
something that's still around.
1093
00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:03,134
Psychologically, I think
people are very, very scared
1094
00:58:03,238 --> 00:58:05,965
of the notion of something that
looks like a half-man, half-goat
1095
00:58:06,068 --> 00:58:07,760
because it's demonic.
1096
00:58:07,863 --> 00:58:10,003
The quintessential image
1097
00:58:10,107 --> 00:58:12,454
of the Satanic
goat-like entity known
1098
00:58:12,558 --> 00:58:15,630
as Baphomet stems
from early occultist
1099
00:58:15,733 --> 00:58:18,564
writers like Eliphas Levi.
1100
00:58:18,667 --> 00:58:21,946
Later, it became entwined
with inverted pentagrams.
1101
00:58:25,778 --> 00:58:30,437
Thelema, Freemasons, Aleister
Crowley, and the teachings
1102
00:58:30,541 --> 00:58:33,613
of Anton LaVey, both
of whom associated
1103
00:58:33,717 --> 00:58:35,822
the Baphomet with the god Pan.
1104
00:58:38,584 --> 00:58:41,103
What's more is the
sigil of Baphomet
1105
00:58:41,207 --> 00:58:46,488
is the official insignia
of the Church of Satan.
1106
00:58:46,592 --> 00:58:50,216
In many ways, equating
the Goatman with the devil
1107
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:54,531
is a natural thought process,
but not necessarily the most
1108
00:58:54,634 --> 00:58:57,637
explanatory.
1109
00:58:57,741 --> 00:59:00,157
Classically, the devil is
often portrayed as something
1110
00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:01,503
very similar to a satire.
1111
00:59:01,607 --> 00:59:04,886
You have the cloven hooves,
the rather muscular torso,
1112
00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:06,715
and then you have
the head of the goat.
1113
00:59:06,819 --> 00:59:10,029
Where that imagery actually
comes from, I cannot be sure,
1114
00:59:10,132 --> 00:59:15,172
but it is now made its way into
the psychological aspect of how
1115
00:59:15,275 --> 00:59:17,105
we perceive good and evil.
1116
00:59:17,208 --> 00:59:18,969
There's a whole stream
of thought that goes
1117
00:59:19,072 --> 00:59:22,386
into consideration of goat man.
1118
00:59:22,489 --> 00:59:26,563
As far as like occult, or
we'll just go right to Baphomet
1119
00:59:26,666 --> 00:59:29,911
and Satan, it says, why this?
1120
00:59:30,014 --> 00:59:33,639
And I think part of this is
related to ideas that correlate
1121
00:59:33,742 --> 00:59:38,091
to the ability that
evil has or does
1122
00:59:38,195 --> 00:59:41,336
not have to make and create.
1123
00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:44,373
And this has been explored
in the writings of C.S. Lewis
1124
00:59:44,477 --> 00:59:48,688
and JRR Tolkien and
others, but that Satan
1125
00:59:48,792 --> 00:59:51,518
does not have the power to
create things from nothing.
1126
00:59:51,622 --> 00:59:54,521
He can only take what's
there and corrupt it.
1127
00:59:54,625 --> 00:59:57,766
And so here's where it
really gets interesting,
1128
00:59:57,870 --> 01:00:01,736
is that the idea, in some cases,
like the Pope Lick Monster,
1129
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:04,497
for example, early
reports seem to break
1130
01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:07,638
in the direction of a
sheepman, but later ones
1131
01:00:07,742 --> 01:00:10,468
go in the direction of Goatman.
1132
01:00:10,572 --> 01:00:13,713
And a correlation
here could potentially
1133
01:00:13,817 --> 01:00:19,512
be that, in the case of sheep,
when you think of a sheep,
1134
01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:21,376
you don't think of
something malevolent,
1135
01:00:21,479 --> 01:00:22,826
you think of something innocent.
1136
01:00:22,929 --> 01:00:24,448
You think of something pure.
1137
01:00:24,551 --> 01:00:30,592
And taking this to scripture,
such as the Holy Bible,
1138
01:00:30,696 --> 01:00:34,492
you have the son of
God, who is described
1139
01:00:34,596 --> 01:00:37,254
in terms of the lamb of God.
1140
01:00:37,357 --> 01:00:42,915
So you've got this symbol
of purity and goodness.
1141
01:00:43,018 --> 01:00:44,710
What's a way to corrupt that?
1142
01:00:44,813 --> 01:00:49,887
Well, potentially take it in
the direction of a goat, which
1143
01:00:49,991 --> 01:00:54,236
is less likable as a
figure, certainly one
1144
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:57,412
that we associate with
things like eating
1145
01:00:57,515 --> 01:01:00,657
trash and living off of that.
1146
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,522
While a ram, a sheep's
ram can develop horns,
1147
01:01:04,626 --> 01:01:07,077
we don't think of a lamb
as having that ability,
1148
01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:09,458
but a full grown
goat has the horns,
1149
01:01:09,562 --> 01:01:12,047
and therefore, seems
more intimidating
1150
01:01:12,151 --> 01:01:15,050
and will, in fact,
resort to violence
1151
01:01:15,154 --> 01:01:17,846
when that's seen as needed.
1152
01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:22,402
So I think that there may be
some territory to explore there,
1153
01:01:22,506 --> 01:01:26,924
that a goat is a
violent or corrupt form
1154
01:01:27,028 --> 01:01:32,619
of an innocent little lamb, and
maybe, somewhere along the way,
1155
01:01:32,723 --> 01:01:35,588
our expectation or
perception of what
1156
01:01:35,692 --> 01:01:41,042
half-human, half-sheep,
then goat, becomes,
1157
01:01:41,145 --> 01:01:42,457
is colored by that.
1158
01:02:59,154 --> 01:03:01,260
One of the most notable
1159
01:03:01,363 --> 01:03:03,952
of all Goatman stories
is that of the Pope
1160
01:03:04,056 --> 01:03:06,921
Lick Monster of Kentucky.
1161
01:03:07,024 --> 01:03:09,647
Some legends suggest
that if one walks
1162
01:03:09,751 --> 01:03:11,649
to the middle of
the train trestle,
1163
01:03:11,753 --> 01:03:14,998
the Goatman will appear
on the other side.
1164
01:03:15,101 --> 01:03:19,105
Others claim that the Goatman
is the result of satanic rituals
1165
01:03:19,209 --> 01:03:22,108
conducted in a nearby shack.
1166
01:03:22,212 --> 01:03:25,008
Stories of the Pope Lick
Monster are as varied
1167
01:03:25,111 --> 01:03:27,942
as any that have
already been discussed,
1168
01:03:28,045 --> 01:03:30,461
but they also
introduce new elements
1169
01:03:30,565 --> 01:03:33,844
into the mythos of the Goatman.
1170
01:03:33,948 --> 01:03:36,226
My name is David Domine,
I'm a Louisville-based
1171
01:03:36,329 --> 01:03:39,505
author and educator,
a folklorist as well.
1172
01:03:39,608 --> 01:03:43,336
And I've lived in
Louisville since 1993,
1173
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,477
and one of the first urban
legends I heard about
1174
01:03:46,581 --> 01:03:51,620
was one that said to be rooted
here at the Pope Lick Trestle.
1175
01:03:51,724 --> 01:03:52,690
It's called the Goatman.
1176
01:03:52,794 --> 01:03:54,969
Some call it the
monster of Pope Lick.
1177
01:03:55,072 --> 01:03:56,798
This is an active trestle.
1178
01:03:56,902 --> 01:03:59,421
We have early
mentions of it in 1909
1179
01:03:59,525 --> 01:04:02,942
already, so we know this train
track has run through here
1180
01:04:03,046 --> 01:04:04,737
for at least 100 years.
1181
01:04:07,257 --> 01:04:11,571
Interestingly enough, this is
a case where an initial, very
1182
01:04:11,675 --> 01:04:16,335
old reports seem to describe it
as Sheepman instead of Goatman.
1183
01:04:16,438 --> 01:04:19,234
And at some point, that tilts
in the direction of the goat
1184
01:04:19,338 --> 01:04:20,891
instead of the sheep.
1185
01:04:20,995 --> 01:04:24,895
There's some rather sort
of highly bizarre stories
1186
01:04:24,999 --> 01:04:26,621
having to do with origins.
1187
01:04:26,724 --> 01:04:29,279
Supposedly, there
was this goat-like creature seen
1188
01:04:29,382 --> 01:04:32,040
in the wilderness of Canada,
and this circus owner
1189
01:04:32,144 --> 01:04:35,043
named Silas Garner, who was
somebody who I have not been
1190
01:04:35,147 --> 01:04:37,390
able to prove ever
existed, found out
1191
01:04:37,494 --> 01:04:40,186
about the creature hired
someone to capture it,
1192
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:41,670
to put it in a sideshow.
1193
01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:44,639
Supposedly by capturing this
creature, he cursed himself.
1194
01:04:44,742 --> 01:04:46,123
And on a stormy
night, as the train
1195
01:04:46,227 --> 01:04:51,059
was traveling through
Kentucky, the Goatman's curse
1196
01:04:51,163 --> 01:04:55,788
caused the train to derail,
and he escaped, and now lives
1197
01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:57,514
under the bridge at Pope Lick.
1198
01:04:57,617 --> 01:05:00,413
Others say that there was a
local farmer who was a little
1199
01:05:00,517 --> 01:05:02,174
too friendly with his goats.
1200
01:05:02,277 --> 01:05:05,142
He was breeding with
them, and that's one
1201
01:05:05,246 --> 01:05:06,937
of the more interesting takes.
1202
01:05:07,041 --> 01:05:10,699
Another far more even
sinister origin stories
1203
01:05:10,803 --> 01:05:15,463
having to do with a farmer who
made goat sacrifices, hoping
1204
01:05:15,566 --> 01:05:18,880
to gain some sort of
satanic dark power,
1205
01:05:18,984 --> 01:05:21,710
and he ends up
becoming the Goatman.
1206
01:05:21,814 --> 01:05:24,334
It's very much
an urban legend.
1207
01:05:24,437 --> 01:05:27,682
It's said that there's a
half-man, half-goat kind
1208
01:05:27,785 --> 01:05:30,167
of creature who lives
under the trestles,
1209
01:05:30,271 --> 01:05:32,445
and he's a siren-type of being.
1210
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:37,554
He likes to attract unsuspecting
visitors up to the tracks.
1211
01:05:37,657 --> 01:05:40,212
Sometimes he mimics
voices, sometimes
1212
01:05:40,315 --> 01:05:42,317
he acts like he's in distress.
1213
01:05:42,421 --> 01:05:46,080
But for whatever reason, people
are led up to the trestle,
1214
01:05:46,183 --> 01:05:49,738
and many people don't realize
this is still an active trestle,
1215
01:05:49,842 --> 01:05:50,981
several times a day.
1216
01:05:51,085 --> 01:05:53,432
So there's an almost
800 foot span.
1217
01:05:53,535 --> 01:05:57,160
And if you're caught up there
where a train is coming through,
1218
01:05:57,263 --> 01:05:59,093
there's really no place to go.
1219
01:05:59,196 --> 01:06:01,785
All you can do is outrun the
train, which most people can't,
1220
01:06:01,888 --> 01:06:03,787
or you have to
jump over the side
1221
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:07,032
and dangle from one
of the pieces of wood
1222
01:06:07,135 --> 01:06:09,379
that juts out, which
is kind of a hard task
1223
01:06:09,482 --> 01:06:11,588
because it takes usually
at least five minutes
1224
01:06:11,691 --> 01:06:14,177
for a train to rumble overhead.
1225
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,077
That's when people often fall to
their deaths, or they're running
1226
01:06:18,181 --> 01:06:20,183
and they stumble and
they fall over the side,
1227
01:06:20,286 --> 01:06:21,598
because there's
really no railing.
1228
01:06:21,701 --> 01:06:24,394
It's just tracks up in the sky.
1229
01:06:24,497 --> 01:06:26,016
CRAIG WOOLHEATER
One thing
1230
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,847
separating the Pope Lick Monster
from other Goatman stories
1231
01:06:29,951 --> 01:06:33,644
are the very real deaths
connected to the legend.
1232
01:06:33,748 --> 01:06:36,820
As of 2019, at
least 12 people have
1233
01:06:36,923 --> 01:06:38,960
been injured while
seeking the Goatman
1234
01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:41,618
upon the Pope Lick Trestle.
1235
01:06:41,721 --> 01:06:43,758
There are some
people that have actually
1236
01:06:43,861 --> 01:06:45,932
gone out there to
look for the Goatman,
1237
01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:48,763
and their lives have
been tragically ended,
1238
01:06:48,866 --> 01:06:53,457
as in the case of a couple
who went up there around 2015
1239
01:06:53,561 --> 01:06:57,220
or 2016, and they were
on the train trestle
1240
01:06:57,323 --> 01:07:01,396
and a train started
coming their way,
1241
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:05,711
as there are 20 to 25 trains
that actually go over this train
1242
01:07:05,814 --> 01:07:08,058
trestle every day.
1243
01:07:08,162 --> 01:07:13,236
The boyfriend managed to jump
and hang onto a steel beam,
1244
01:07:13,339 --> 01:07:15,824
where the girlfriend
met her tragic fate
1245
01:07:15,928 --> 01:07:18,758
90 feet below onto the ground.
1246
01:07:18,862 --> 01:07:24,523
JC Bahm was a teenager,
I believe, in 1988,
1247
01:07:24,626 --> 01:07:28,354
and he was struck by
the train and killed,
1248
01:07:28,458 --> 01:07:35,051
and presumably fell to his
death off of the trestle.
1249
01:07:35,154 --> 01:07:39,917
Those stories-- and they're
matters of historic fact--
1250
01:07:40,021 --> 01:07:42,886
people who have gone out
on the tracks and have
1251
01:07:42,989 --> 01:07:45,613
died because of it.
1252
01:07:45,716 --> 01:07:49,444
So unlike a lot of these other
stories where they kind of just
1253
01:07:49,548 --> 01:07:50,963
add up to a bunch
of fun sightings
1254
01:07:51,067 --> 01:07:53,448
and a few spooky
stories, this is
1255
01:07:53,552 --> 01:07:57,935
one that actually has a tangible
death toll attached to it.
1256
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,145
Some people have taken
it to say that, oh, well,
1257
01:08:00,248 --> 01:08:02,423
that means the Goatman is
responsible for these deaths,
1258
01:08:02,526 --> 01:08:06,047
or the Goatman hypnotizes people
and brings them into the woods.
1259
01:08:06,151 --> 01:08:08,912
I tend to think some places
are just very dangerous,
1260
01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:11,432
and that's why people get
hurt when they go out there
1261
01:08:11,535 --> 01:08:13,434
and don't take the
appropriate precautions, when
1262
01:08:13,537 --> 01:08:15,677
they go to places that
they aren't supposed to go.
1263
01:08:15,781 --> 01:08:18,163
But there's no
separating this legend
1264
01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:20,751
from this place and all
of the tragic events
1265
01:08:20,855 --> 01:08:21,856
that have gone on here.
1266
01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:30,347
CRAIG WOOLHEATER
The final key
1267
01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:34,972
to the Goatman mystery is
the influence of the media.
1268
01:08:35,076 --> 01:08:39,805
In the age of information, where
a sensational news can and does
1269
01:08:39,908 --> 01:08:42,601
influence the decisions
of individuals,
1270
01:08:42,704 --> 01:08:45,017
the proliferation
of certain stories
1271
01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:49,090
are bound to ignite the
imaginations of people.
1272
01:08:49,194 --> 01:08:51,437
A single newspaper
article was all
1273
01:08:51,541 --> 01:08:53,405
that it took to
lure teenagers out
1274
01:08:53,508 --> 01:08:57,823
to Fletchertown Road in search
of the Goatman of Bowie.
1275
01:08:57,926 --> 01:09:01,206
Even years later, when the
story of Ginger the Dog
1276
01:09:01,309 --> 01:09:03,380
was revealed to
have been a hoax,
1277
01:09:03,484 --> 01:09:06,280
the legend had grown
well beyond the newsprint
1278
01:09:06,383 --> 01:09:09,559
and was now part
of modern folklore.
1279
01:09:09,662 --> 01:09:11,906
Hundreds of people
flock to Lake Worth
1280
01:09:12,009 --> 01:09:14,219
when the sensational
sightings were mentioned
1281
01:09:14,322 --> 01:09:16,842
on local television news.
1282
01:09:16,945 --> 01:09:19,672
Deaths on the Pope Lick
Trestle that were once
1283
01:09:19,776 --> 01:09:23,331
seen as accidental were
now shrouded in mystery
1284
01:09:23,435 --> 01:09:26,300
due to the popularization
of an urban legend
1285
01:09:26,403 --> 01:09:29,130
through an independent film.
1286
01:09:29,234 --> 01:09:31,650
In every major case
of the Goatman,
1287
01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:35,101
there lies a strong media
backing to the legend.
1288
01:09:35,205 --> 01:09:38,657
And with every legend tripper
that seeks out the Goatman
1289
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,764
and has an experience
either real or imagined,
1290
01:09:42,868 --> 01:09:46,320
the mythos continues to grow.
1291
01:09:46,423 --> 01:09:50,531
I think part of the reason why
there are so many origin stories
1292
01:09:50,634 --> 01:09:56,468
and such variants has, in part,
to do with the explanatory power
1293
01:09:56,571 --> 01:09:58,124
of things over time.
1294
01:09:58,228 --> 01:10:02,059
And what I mean by that
is 150, 200 years ago, you
1295
01:10:02,163 --> 01:10:06,754
would have had sort of agrarian,
naturalistic explanations
1296
01:10:06,857 --> 01:10:10,067
for things, yet
mundane sort of reasons
1297
01:10:10,171 --> 01:10:14,071
that a Goatman might appear.
1298
01:10:14,175 --> 01:10:19,076
In other words, a fleshly union
between farmer and animal,
1299
01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:22,494
as sickening as
that is to consider,
1300
01:10:22,597 --> 01:10:26,256
that is one stream
of explanatory story
1301
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,982
that was given about that.
1302
01:10:28,085 --> 01:10:33,159
And then you start to bring
in folk religion, witchcraft,
1303
01:10:33,263 --> 01:10:34,126
and so forth.
1304
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,336
And now, the devil
and dark forces
1305
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,478
become to swirl into the
story, where if some sort
1306
01:10:41,582 --> 01:10:43,825
of pact or agreement was made.
1307
01:10:43,929 --> 01:10:47,760
Then that would result in a
necessary consequence of making
1308
01:10:47,864 --> 01:10:49,555
a deal with the devil,
is you have to pay
1309
01:10:49,659 --> 01:10:51,454
a price that you don't expect.
1310
01:10:51,557 --> 01:10:56,182
And certainly, being forced
into the form of a goat man
1311
01:10:56,286 --> 01:11:01,049
would qualify as one of
those terrible prices to pay.
1312
01:11:01,153 --> 01:11:04,363
And then, with the rise
of science as something
1313
01:11:04,467 --> 01:11:07,573
that explains everything,
you get into then stories
1314
01:11:07,677 --> 01:11:10,921
having to do with
breeding taking place,
1315
01:11:11,025 --> 01:11:15,719
normally in a secret facility
where, evidently, DNA
1316
01:11:15,823 --> 01:11:17,963
of some type could be spliced.
1317
01:11:18,066 --> 01:11:21,000
And that sort of
rules the creation,
1318
01:11:21,104 --> 01:11:25,073
if you will, of a creature
like Goatman or Sheepman,
1319
01:11:25,177 --> 01:11:26,972
where you're moving
away from a kind
1320
01:11:27,075 --> 01:11:30,700
of spiritual religious
overtone into the realm
1321
01:11:30,803 --> 01:11:35,808
of a scientific,
reasonable explanation.
1322
01:11:35,912 --> 01:11:39,778
Goatman is generally
always, at least
1323
01:11:39,881 --> 01:11:42,021
in the stories I've
looked at, somehow
1324
01:11:42,125 --> 01:11:44,990
intimately tied to human nature.
1325
01:11:45,093 --> 01:11:47,613
Again, if we look at Pan
and those early stories
1326
01:11:47,717 --> 01:11:51,065
that talks about how humankind
interacted with the wild,
1327
01:11:51,168 --> 01:11:54,137
how we viewed wild places,
and what we learned to fear,
1328
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,210
it symbolizes this mash up of
humanity and something wild.
1329
01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:00,039
And again, a lot of
cryptids do that.
1330
01:12:00,143 --> 01:12:03,388
But these modern Goatman
stories, the origin stories
1331
01:12:03,491 --> 01:12:07,081
are always racism,
genetic experiments
1332
01:12:07,184 --> 01:12:11,741
gone wrong, humans and animals
intermixing, just bad things.
1333
01:12:11,844 --> 01:12:14,882
A lot of cryptid stories,
we get monsters that
1334
01:12:14,985 --> 01:12:16,470
kind of represent humanity.
1335
01:12:16,573 --> 01:12:19,024
They're upright, maybe they're
hominids, Bigfoot stories.
1336
01:12:19,127 --> 01:12:21,854
But Goatman reports seem
to, again, just talk
1337
01:12:21,958 --> 01:12:23,960
about the worst
parts of humankind.
1338
01:12:24,063 --> 01:12:28,240
Science gone wrong, racial
prejudice, greed, violence.
1339
01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,138
There's never anything
positive in there.
1340
01:12:30,242 --> 01:12:32,071
There's never anything
that we look at and go,
1341
01:12:32,175 --> 01:12:34,350
that makes me feel a little
bit better about the world.
1342
01:12:34,453 --> 01:12:37,422
Unlike with, say, again,
Bigfoot encounters
1343
01:12:37,525 --> 01:12:40,321
or some other potentially
unclassified animals,
1344
01:12:40,425 --> 01:12:41,460
the Loch Monster.
1345
01:12:41,564 --> 01:12:43,117
People have these
encounters and it changes
1346
01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:44,532
their life for the better.
1347
01:12:44,636 --> 01:12:48,156
I don't think we've heard a
story like that about Goatman.
1348
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:49,813
The
locations where
1349
01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:54,059
he's a known legend, like
the trestle at Pope Lick,
1350
01:12:54,162 --> 01:12:58,339
so you have those types
of stories, which probably
1351
01:12:58,443 --> 01:13:00,859
not even a morsel
of truth in them,
1352
01:13:00,962 --> 01:13:04,449
but you have
sightings of creatures
1353
01:13:04,552 --> 01:13:09,212
that very much could be in
the realm of real experience.
1354
01:13:09,315 --> 01:13:11,110
Like perhaps a lot
of these sightings
1355
01:13:11,214 --> 01:13:14,355
have nothing to do with the
outlandish stories they've been
1356
01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:16,771
given, people are
experiencing them
1357
01:13:16,875 --> 01:13:19,118
and then people
are attaching plot
1358
01:13:19,222 --> 01:13:21,914
lines from movies
and comic books
1359
01:13:22,018 --> 01:13:25,401
and campfire stories
to these sightings.
1360
01:13:25,504 --> 01:13:27,817
I think there's
so many different versions
1361
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,820
of Goatman just because
again, sort of exists
1362
01:13:30,923 --> 01:13:33,926
as this primordial
fear that we have,
1363
01:13:34,030 --> 01:13:38,206
this idea of fear of the
woods, fear of the unknown,
1364
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:41,589
and the idea of going
back, again, to Pan,
1365
01:13:41,693 --> 01:13:43,729
the trickster God of the woods.
1366
01:13:43,833 --> 01:13:46,525
There was essentially
a Goatman entity that
1367
01:13:46,629 --> 01:13:49,148
would lure you to your doom.
1368
01:13:49,252 --> 01:13:53,843
Maybe that sort of memory, that
genetic memory that we have
1369
01:13:53,946 --> 01:13:56,639
of danger in the woods,
has been personified
1370
01:13:56,742 --> 01:14:00,332
into the idea of this
Goatman-like figure that--
1371
01:14:00,436 --> 01:14:04,198
now that can exist all across
the world, in every state,
1372
01:14:04,301 --> 01:14:09,928
in every country, in every dark
wooded area that we wander into,
1373
01:14:10,031 --> 01:14:13,069
the idea of this goat man
waiting there to get us
1374
01:14:13,172 --> 01:14:16,141
can exist and live and thrive,
and is probably experienced
1375
01:14:16,244 --> 01:14:19,420
by numerous amounts of people.
1376
01:14:19,524 --> 01:14:23,320
When considering the
archetype of a Goatman,
1377
01:14:23,424 --> 01:14:25,081
I think there are many
different influences
1378
01:14:25,184 --> 01:14:28,153
and we have to accept
that many of our cryptids
1379
01:14:28,256 --> 01:14:31,777
are actually examples of what
I call composite identity,
1380
01:14:31,881 --> 01:14:33,607
meaning there's
different influences
1381
01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:37,783
coming together to form
this one specific archetype.
1382
01:14:37,887 --> 01:14:41,407
And so, for example, the
idea of a half-man, half-goat
1383
01:14:41,511 --> 01:14:43,237
goes back a long time.
1384
01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:47,690
In the fifth century BC, we find
the first Greek interpretations
1385
01:14:47,793 --> 01:14:50,865
of creatures known as
satyrs, which are essentially
1386
01:14:50,969 --> 01:14:53,454
forest beings that
are often portrayed
1387
01:14:53,558 --> 01:14:57,009
as having goat-like
features big ears, horns.
1388
01:14:57,113 --> 01:15:00,841
So that particular idea has been
around a very, very long time.
1389
01:15:00,944 --> 01:15:03,291
And then that evolved
over time, and I
1390
01:15:03,395 --> 01:15:06,605
think those ancient
Greek mythologies
1391
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:09,435
and legends were
adapted by the Romans,
1392
01:15:09,539 --> 01:15:11,645
and the satyrs became the fauns.
1393
01:15:11,748 --> 01:15:14,371
And then as
Christianity took over,
1394
01:15:14,475 --> 01:15:17,754
a lot of these old pagan
ideas of things like satyrs
1395
01:15:17,858 --> 01:15:19,722
were kind of pushed to the side.
1396
01:15:19,825 --> 01:15:22,276
And then eventually,
early interpretations
1397
01:15:22,379 --> 01:15:27,523
of Satan or the devil began to
resemble a half-man, half-goat,
1398
01:15:27,626 --> 01:15:29,939
almost as if
Christianity was saying,
1399
01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:34,737
OK, well, these old pagan ideas
of goatmen, these are demons.
1400
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,255
These are the devil.
1401
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:41,433
And so the Goatman, therefore,
become an evil entity.
1402
01:15:41,537 --> 01:15:45,161
It's become kind of an
embodiment of pure evil
1403
01:15:45,264 --> 01:15:47,646
or demonic activity.
1404
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:49,924
And furthermore, I think
we have to acknowledge
1405
01:15:50,028 --> 01:15:53,272
that a lot of urban
legends and campfire tales
1406
01:15:53,376 --> 01:15:56,379
actually migrate and evolve.
1407
01:15:56,482 --> 01:15:58,450
And as different
communities and areas
1408
01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:03,144
adapt these monster stories,
they put their own brand on it.
1409
01:16:03,248 --> 01:16:07,252
There are always some similar
themes or motifs in terms of,
1410
01:16:07,355 --> 01:16:10,117
it's out in the woods,
in a remote area,
1411
01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:14,915
or near an old
spooky stone bridge.
1412
01:16:15,018 --> 01:16:19,022
So the basic themes
remain the same.
1413
01:16:19,126 --> 01:16:21,300
I think a good
parallel example are
1414
01:16:21,404 --> 01:16:25,235
these legends of giant
catfish living under dams.
1415
01:16:25,339 --> 01:16:27,513
And I've been to many places
in the United States--
1416
01:16:27,617 --> 01:16:31,207
Arizona, Georgia, Texas-- where
I've heard this recurring story
1417
01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:34,659
about below a dam, there
are these car-sized catfish
1418
01:16:34,762 --> 01:16:37,869
that will swallow people
and animals and things.
1419
01:16:37,972 --> 01:16:42,183
And so you find these similar
legends in different places,
1420
01:16:42,287 --> 01:16:45,290
and it's almost as if
they kind of migrated.
1421
01:16:45,393 --> 01:16:47,637
Similarly, a lot of
these Goatman stories
1422
01:16:47,741 --> 01:16:51,399
may have migrated from Europe,
with European immigrants
1423
01:16:51,503 --> 01:16:55,162
that brought some of the old
world stories and tall tales.
1424
01:17:01,893 --> 01:17:04,343
And finally, there's
an aspect in terms
1425
01:17:04,447 --> 01:17:08,244
of when you consider what
occurs at Lovers' Lane areas.
1426
01:17:08,347 --> 01:17:12,697
Teenagers are lustful,
they're looking to party,
1427
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,906
so they're out there,
they're drinking,
1428
01:17:15,009 --> 01:17:17,736
they're doing things that their
parents don't want them to do.
1429
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,189
And so it's almost like there's
an unconscious connection here
1430
01:17:22,292 --> 01:17:25,330
to ancient Greek mythology
and the satyrs, who were
1431
01:17:25,433 --> 01:17:27,366
the original party animals.
1432
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:29,230
They were out with
Dionysus, they
1433
01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:32,682
were drinking wine, they were
debaucherous, chasing women.
1434
01:17:32,786 --> 01:17:36,134
And so I think by associating
the Goatman legends
1435
01:17:36,237 --> 01:17:38,136
with these remote
Lovers' Lane areas,
1436
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:39,896
it's almost like
we're harkening back
1437
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,693
to the earlier age of
paganism and the types
1438
01:17:43,797 --> 01:17:46,592
of debauchery that
occur in places where
1439
01:17:46,696 --> 01:17:48,042
people are not supposed to go.
1440
01:17:52,046 --> 01:17:55,118
What sets
the Goatman legendarium
1441
01:17:55,222 --> 01:17:57,120
apart from other
cryptid stories is
1442
01:17:57,224 --> 01:18:01,159
that I think it's hard to
even consider it a cryptid.
1443
01:18:01,262 --> 01:18:05,542
If we're taking of an old
school approach to cryptozoology
1444
01:18:05,646 --> 01:18:09,719
and saying that a cryptid
is simply an animal that's
1445
01:18:09,823 --> 01:18:12,377
gone undiscovered
and uncatalogued,
1446
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,483
but it's out there
waiting to be found,
1447
01:18:15,587 --> 01:18:20,247
Goatman doesn't appear to be
that kind of entity whatsoever.
1448
01:18:20,350 --> 01:18:24,458
It doesn't seem to
occupy a physical space.
1449
01:18:24,561 --> 01:18:28,427
Spiritual space, perhaps,
or a folkloric space, yes,
1450
01:18:28,531 --> 01:18:31,430
depending on what stories
you're listening to.
1451
01:18:31,534 --> 01:18:34,537
Monsters associated
with Goatman legends
1452
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,334
have done things
like kill people.
1453
01:18:38,437 --> 01:18:44,202
But when you're asked to
produce even an obituary,
1454
01:18:44,305 --> 01:18:47,032
you run into dead
ends immediately.
1455
01:18:47,136 --> 01:18:53,418
So I think the central issue is
that Goatman is like a cryptid,
1456
01:18:53,521 --> 01:18:58,078
wedded with urban legend,
wedded with folklore and stories
1457
01:18:58,181 --> 01:19:00,908
that humans have
been telling ever
1458
01:19:01,012 --> 01:19:04,740
since they could tell stories.
1459
01:19:04,843 --> 01:19:07,018
The Goatman, it seems,
1460
01:19:07,121 --> 01:19:11,229
is greater than the sum
of all of its pieces.
1461
01:19:11,332 --> 01:19:13,438
It is more than folklore.
1462
01:19:13,541 --> 01:19:16,372
It is more than a cryptid.
1463
01:19:16,475 --> 01:19:18,443
It is something
that has seemingly
1464
01:19:18,546 --> 01:19:22,343
existed alongside humankind
for thousands of years,
1465
01:19:22,447 --> 01:19:26,278
and yet never
physically existed.
1466
01:19:26,382 --> 01:19:30,110
Perhaps it's the inexplicable
nature of the Goatman
1467
01:19:30,213 --> 01:19:34,631
that keeps us coming back
to that bridge after dark,
1468
01:19:34,735 --> 01:19:37,496
or stepping into the
woods in hopes of adding
1469
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,223
our own experience
to the legend,
1470
01:19:40,327 --> 01:19:44,469
perpetuating the mystery
well into the future.
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