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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,740 Big kitty, no. We call Pickles bad kitty because he is forever attacking us and 2 00:00:05,740 --> 00:00:06,880 scratching us. 3 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:12,600 Oh my God, look at my arm. I am concerned for my children's safety. 4 00:00:13,660 --> 00:00:20,320 If bad kitty does not get any better, I'm going to have to find a 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,220 childless home for him to go to. 6 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:26,930 Daniel and Lucifer. They're obsessed with their food. They're obsessed with 7 00:00:26,930 --> 00:00:27,749 people food. 8 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:32,450 No! I've woken up in the middle of the night to find the gas on. Woken up in 9 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:34,110 middle of the night to find a flame on. 10 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:36,350 I think our cats might be trying to kill us. 11 00:00:37,910 --> 00:00:39,910 Charlie crawled in the kennel with him. 12 00:00:40,130 --> 00:00:43,450 No. And then I was able to get him out and then medicate him. 13 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:46,470 Cats don't do that. Charlie is the foster dad. 14 00:00:46,810 --> 00:00:48,370 He's so stinking adorable. 15 00:00:49,070 --> 00:00:50,390 Whoa! Holy! 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,680 I'm Jackson Galaxy. 17 00:00:52,740 --> 00:00:53,740 What the hell, man? 18 00:00:54,020 --> 00:00:58,800 The animal behavior that guardians call when they're dealing with a difficult 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,720 cat. Sometimes I wish that I didn't have her. 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:02,960 Damn. 21 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:07,960 I'm out to prove that there is no such thing as a bad cat. Just a cat that 22 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,080 my help. This is fun. 23 00:01:21,710 --> 00:01:25,950 My name is Jennifer, and I have my daughters, Alexis and Abigail. 24 00:01:26,170 --> 00:01:31,070 We have a two -year -old cat named Pickle, but we call him Bad Kitty. Bad 25 00:01:31,170 --> 00:01:32,350 the mommy loves you. 26 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:37,310 My daughters, they wanted a little kitten to love. They got Bad Kitty. 27 00:01:37,650 --> 00:01:38,650 Ow! 28 00:01:38,910 --> 00:01:39,910 Ow! 29 00:01:40,330 --> 00:01:41,490 His attacks are random. 30 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:47,610 He tends to come out of hiding and pounce on us when we least expect it. 31 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:50,630 He literally will come at you. 32 00:01:51,130 --> 00:01:51,708 Poor blood. 33 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:58,130 Abigail is terrified of Bad Kitty. She asks me to carry her down the hallway 34 00:01:58,130 --> 00:02:00,270 because she is afraid of the attack. 35 00:02:02,750 --> 00:02:04,550 I'm really scared of Bad Kitty. 36 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:08,169 I am concerned for my children's safety. 37 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:13,170 I wish I could cuddle with Bad Kitty. 38 00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:16,850 If Bad Kitty does not. 39 00:02:17,230 --> 00:02:22,190 get any better, I'm going to have to find a childless home for him to go to. 40 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:24,510 And I don't want to do that. 41 00:02:24,950 --> 00:02:29,810 I am praying that Jackson can do something for this cat. 42 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:31,870 Jackson, 43 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:33,970 please come help us. 44 00:02:34,690 --> 00:02:35,690 Isn't that nice? 45 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:47,990 Nice to meet you. I'm Jennifer. Hey, Jennifer. 46 00:02:48,310 --> 00:02:49,910 Hi, how are you? I'm Alexis. 47 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:51,390 Hey, Alexis. What's your name? 48 00:02:51,710 --> 00:02:52,710 Abigail. 49 00:02:52,990 --> 00:02:54,370 Good to meet you, Abigail. 50 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:57,610 Okay, and what is the situation? 51 00:02:58,050 --> 00:02:59,050 Pickle's bad kitty. 52 00:02:59,210 --> 00:03:04,550 Pickle's bad kitty. All right. How long was it before you guys started getting 53 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:06,350 beat up? It was pretty immediate. 54 00:03:06,590 --> 00:03:09,450 It's more of my mom than anyone, actually. It really is. Oh. 55 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:10,690 He hates me. 56 00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:12,330 Don't you dare. 57 00:03:12,510 --> 00:03:14,150 Ow! You little... 58 00:03:15,150 --> 00:03:17,830 I am. You look pretty decently beat up. 59 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:21,610 I am. He doesn't attack me as much as everyone else. Why? Because I wasn't as 60 00:03:21,610 --> 00:03:25,550 all up on him as everyone else was when we first got him. Where everybody else 61 00:03:25,550 --> 00:03:26,550 is getting beat up. 62 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:28,490 It's always her. It's always me. Or Abigail. 63 00:03:28,950 --> 00:03:30,390 And are you afraid of him? 64 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:37,630 No. Well, that's not fun. Sometimes when he lays down and I walk past him, he 65 00:03:37,630 --> 00:03:40,310 gets his claws out and does that. 66 00:03:40,570 --> 00:03:44,310 And when he does that, does he actually get you? Yep. Does he make you bleed? 67 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:45,990 He does? 68 00:03:46,010 --> 00:03:47,690 You know, what's going on is pretty serious. 69 00:03:47,910 --> 00:03:50,850 I mean, Jennifer is all marked up, but we have a six -year -old child. 70 00:03:51,210 --> 00:03:54,290 It's really a powder keg in this house, and I've got to make sure it doesn't go 71 00:03:54,290 --> 00:03:55,290 off. 72 00:03:55,630 --> 00:03:56,770 But you still like cats. 73 00:03:56,990 --> 00:04:01,110 Okay. My mom had a surprise for me, and it was a new kitten. 74 00:04:03,230 --> 00:04:04,230 What? 75 00:04:04,770 --> 00:04:06,330 You're kidding me. You have a new kitten? 76 00:04:06,590 --> 00:04:07,189 Mm -hmm. 77 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:08,190 When did you get a kitten? 78 00:04:08,770 --> 00:04:09,910 Last week. Oh, my God. 79 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,779 Okay. She desperately wanted a kitten. She was crying. I don't know why Bear 80 00:04:16,779 --> 00:04:17,779 Kitty hates me. 81 00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:19,380 So I got a little kitty. 82 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:21,040 And what's his name? 83 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:23,860 Simba. Simba. Sure, I get it. 84 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:28,100 Abigail loves animals. She loves cats. She would love to have a kitten that she 85 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,180 could love and hug and everything. But it's almost like, this one's broken. I 86 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:34,240 want a new one. It's a cat, not a toy. 87 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,280 Does he spend time outside? 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,180 He does. He did get attacked once. 89 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,100 Really bad. Really bad. 90 00:04:40,340 --> 00:04:41,039 By what? 91 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,560 We think a hawk. Wow. 92 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:47,920 He had this wound, and it had opened up, and it was a huge abscess. So the vet 93 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,280 said it looked like a hawk tried to scoop him up. 94 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,260 You've spent more than five minutes with me, you know how I feel about cats that 95 00:04:55,260 --> 00:04:59,060 go outside. I don't like it. I think that cats will live longer inside, and 96 00:04:59,060 --> 00:05:00,059 Pickles is proof. 97 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:01,960 He came within an inch of being hawk food. 98 00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:07,260 I don't like letting him out at all. But once he goes outside and releases some 99 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:10,400 energy, then he comes back very calm. 100 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:14,560 He's only outside for like ten minutes. Ten minutes? Yeah. I tried very hard for 101 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,000 a while to keep him indoors, but if I did not let him out, we all suffered the 102 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 consequences. 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,100 I want to do a quick walk around. Okay. And let's go to the hallway. 104 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,860 So, Abigail, where does he usually hang out and wait for you? He stays right 105 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:36,140 here, and when I have to go to the bathroom in the night, he attacks me. 106 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:43,560 You be him, and I'll be you. So if I'm you, and I'm walking down here, 107 00:05:44,540 --> 00:05:46,180 I'm Abigail. Ow! 108 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Bad kitty! 109 00:05:49,770 --> 00:05:53,990 Right now I'm hearing about what could be play aggression, which is when 110 00:05:53,990 --> 00:05:56,590 hides and he goes after people's fingers and ankles. 111 00:05:58,290 --> 00:06:03,590 Okay, so down here we have baby Simba. Yeah. 112 00:06:04,310 --> 00:06:10,350 Hello, baby Simba. I mean, even though Simba's a really cool dude, he's still 113 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:11,410 got claws and teeth. 114 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:17,310 So, Abigail, I would start being a little careful with your friend there. 115 00:06:17,450 --> 00:06:18,450 Abigail. 116 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:22,870 And Simba, and handling Simba like he's a toy or a doll. 117 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:27,750 I see that a lot with kids. It is a bad way to start a kitten's life. And 118 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:31,810 honestly, Abigail's old enough to know these lessons, and Jennifer's got to 119 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:32,810 teach those lessons. 120 00:06:33,790 --> 00:06:38,150 So, is he more relaxed out here? Yeah. 121 00:06:38,430 --> 00:06:42,250 So, coming out here, it's almost like he's like, I can breathe. Yeah. And then 122 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:43,810 he comes back in, and he's in a different state. 123 00:06:44,030 --> 00:06:49,020 Yeah. Pickles finds solace being outside, but I don't know what to tell 124 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:53,620 guys. I don't want to tell them to just lock him inside because that could kick 125 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:58,280 up the aggression in a big way. At the same time, when he's out here, he could 126 00:06:58,280 --> 00:06:59,280 be hawk food. 127 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:01,140 It's a really bad place to be. 128 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,780 Where is Pickles right now? In the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,220 I'm just trying to get a read on this cat. 130 00:07:07,460 --> 00:07:10,960 I mean, he's been pretty much MIA all day, so I do want to get some 131 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,360 from him. I do want to overstimulate him a little bit if I can, but in a gentle 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,960 way. Listen, I'm just going to mess with you a little bit, okay? 133 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,240 Got that tail going. 134 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:21,600 Got that tail going. 135 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,760 You know, there's surefire ways to get a cat a little bit off their game. You 136 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,120 know, you touch their paws, touch the tummy, but right now I'm getting 137 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:31,540 Are you annoyed? 138 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:32,880 Are you going to beat me up? 139 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,580 Are you going to beat me up? 140 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:38,920 No, I like that bracelet. 141 00:07:40,340 --> 00:07:43,820 I mean, he's obviously annoyed with me. He just doesn't want to act on it. 142 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:45,119 Hey, Jennifer? 143 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,420 Yeah? Will you come here? The cat that I'm working with right now is not the 144 00:07:49,420 --> 00:07:52,200 that's been described to me. So I want to get Jennifer in here right now and 145 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,200 what she can get done. 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,360 Hi there, kitty. 147 00:07:56,849 --> 00:07:59,950 Now, when Jennifer goes in, she's moving with fear. 148 00:08:00,190 --> 00:08:01,610 She's not trusting him. 149 00:08:01,870 --> 00:08:04,610 Just let mommy pet you. I just want to... Ow! 150 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:06,610 No! 151 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:09,470 I just want to pet you. 152 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:10,690 Ow! 153 00:08:13,290 --> 00:08:20,250 Just let mommy pet 154 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,210 you. I just want to... Ow! Ow! 155 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:26,090 When Jennifer goes in, he just goes for her. Ow! 156 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,280 No. This is the bad kitty that was described to me. 157 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Look at that. 158 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:37,880 Dude. That tells me that the relationship between he and Jennifer is 159 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,880 part of the problem here. 160 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:41,020 God, I'm good. 161 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,559 Okay, enough. Enough. 162 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:48,000 Today, for Jackson's visit, bad kitty did not bite him. I definitely would 163 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,840 have been able to touch bad kitty like that. 164 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:54,880 I truly believe it's me. I think that bad kitty just is angry with me for some 165 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,880 reason. I don't know why. 166 00:08:56,380 --> 00:09:01,200 I mean, what you got from Pickles versus what I got from Pickles, basically, I 167 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,400 got Pickles, you got Bad Kitty. Which does lead me to believe there's 168 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,760 that you're doing here that's contributing to the problem. 169 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:13,120 So, homework time. The most important thing that we can do right now is 170 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,340 additional reconnaissance. 171 00:09:14,650 --> 00:09:16,590 So what we're going to do, this is the Jennifer cam. 172 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:20,930 This, I want you to have with you at all times. I mean, because there's got to 173 00:09:20,930 --> 00:09:24,030 be a reason why you're getting beat up more than anybody else. 174 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:27,190 Jennifer's got a pretty specific piece of this homework. 175 00:09:27,570 --> 00:09:31,770 She's the one who gets beat up more than anyone else. So it's time for her to 176 00:09:31,770 --> 00:09:32,770 take a good look at herself. 177 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:34,490 Now, outside. 178 00:09:34,770 --> 00:09:39,830 You've said, when he comes back inside after he's been outside, he's chill. If 179 00:09:39,830 --> 00:09:42,450 tell you right now, keep that cat inside. 180 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:45,650 I'm afraid of making things worse in here. 181 00:09:46,010 --> 00:09:48,230 Keep him in his current routine. 182 00:09:48,670 --> 00:09:49,750 That'll work for now. 183 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:53,290 Right. I normally wouldn't even entertain the idea of a cat being 184 00:09:53,290 --> 00:09:55,810 without a harness or without an enclosure. 185 00:09:56,130 --> 00:10:00,390 But Jennifer keeps one eye on a cat at all times. In ten minutes, he's back in. 186 00:10:00,670 --> 00:10:06,210 I'm forced to break my own rules and to allow them to continue to let Pickles 187 00:10:06,210 --> 00:10:09,550 outside. I've got some tricks I can pull out of my sleeve later, but for right 188 00:10:09,550 --> 00:10:10,970 now, I just don't want to rock the boat. 189 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:12,590 Last point here. 190 00:10:12,990 --> 00:10:17,730 You are really important, and I think that we need to have you start teaching 191 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:22,350 Abigail that hands aren't toys, right? I want you to use toys like this toy 192 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:25,190 here. You are officially a cat play queen. 193 00:10:25,990 --> 00:10:29,990 I need Abigail to learn safe handling techniques when it comes to the cats. 194 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:35,110 Never too young to learn an empathetic approach to guardianship. I will be back 195 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:37,170 in a few weeks, and we will figure out. 196 00:10:37,410 --> 00:10:38,470 Pickles, bad kitty. 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,200 And get them to meet in the middle, okay? Good. Thank you. All right, guys. 198 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,320 looking forward to the next visit. I am hoping that pickles will show 199 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,320 improvement. 200 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:55,640 I'm Anna. I'm Ben. 201 00:10:55,900 --> 00:11:02,120 And we live with our three adoptive cats, Charles, Daniel, and Lucifer, who 202 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,920 call Luke. We love our cats. They're three of the best cats, but they're all 203 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,920 obsessed with Luke. 204 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:08,260 Hey. 205 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,300 They're obsessed with their food. They're obsessed with people food. 206 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:17,940 obsessed with eating things that aren't food. 207 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,780 Daniel was adopted from a high -kill shelter. 208 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:30,400 Lucifer, we found in the front yard. We sort of fell in love with him and 209 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,760 decided to make him a permanent part of the family. 210 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:37,710 Once we brought Luke inside, we found out that... Maybe just because he was 211 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:42,070 almost feral, but he's obsessed with food and wants to eat anything he can 212 00:11:42,070 --> 00:11:46,850 the time. Lucifer started this just during feeding time, but it's progressed 213 00:11:46,850 --> 00:11:51,810 the point where he was stealing food from the cabinets, going and fishing 214 00:11:51,810 --> 00:11:55,330 out of the garbage disposal, bullying us off of our food. 215 00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:59,930 We pretty much just can never have food around when he's around. So we have to 216 00:11:59,930 --> 00:12:03,790 put him away in another room if we're going to cook food, if we're going to 217 00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:04,790 home with groceries. 218 00:12:05,130 --> 00:12:09,090 I was cooking once, pulling things in and out of the fridge, and turned around 219 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:13,770 to the stove. About 15 seconds later, I hear this meowing coming from the 220 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:16,230 fridge. Sure enough, it's in the fridge. 221 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:21,810 Every little thing that we do is affected by this. 222 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:28,510 It's too much to manage to a T, and there will be mistakes. 223 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:33,070 We need Jackson's help, because my cats are my babies, to think about... 224 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:38,410 something potentially happening to them that I could have prevented or changed, 225 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:44,590 I would never, never forgive myself. 226 00:12:54,430 --> 00:12:56,850 Hello. Hey. How are you? I'm Jackson. 227 00:12:57,130 --> 00:13:01,010 Anna, nice to meet you. Hi, Ben. Hey, Ben. Sit down. All right. 228 00:13:01,830 --> 00:13:02,809 Who's this? 229 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:03,629 That's Daniel. 230 00:13:03,630 --> 00:13:04,630 Hi, Daniel. 231 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:11,990 So in general, what's going on with Lucifer? We are dealing with a case of 232 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:16,230 obsession, sometimes bordering on food aggression. Because he'll eat everybody 233 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:18,350 else's food. Oh, yeah. You guys found him? 234 00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:23,690 We have been doing a number of PNR work for the neighborhood. 235 00:13:24,110 --> 00:13:25,590 Are you guys been trapping around the neighborhood? 236 00:13:25,830 --> 00:13:27,870 Yeah. So we have... Yeah, maybe. 237 00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:32,530 TNR, or Trap New to Return, is proven to be the only humane solution for the 238 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:36,870 feral cat overpopulation crisis that right now we're in the middle of. He was 239 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:41,130 almost feral. He just came from outside where he was eating whatever he could 240 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:44,010 find. Is he the one who's the more aggressive? Yeah, he just wants to eat 241 00:13:44,010 --> 00:13:49,450 everything all the time. So anything he can get to in the cabinet, he'll find it 242 00:13:49,450 --> 00:13:52,650 in the cabinet and pull it out. So we have child locks on all the cabinets. 243 00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:56,650 Well, so I worry about them getting into things that... 244 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:03,740 are either poisonous or going to be bad for them. Daniel will chew on and ingest 245 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:05,960 anything made of rubber, wires. 246 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:12,440 Has he been hospitalized at any point for it? Yes. He had a surgery to have a 247 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,199 toy removed. 248 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,800 We had to rush him to an emergency surgery to the tune of $4 ,000. 249 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,040 It's one of my worst nightmares that one of my animals... would be exhibiting 250 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,780 some kind of distress, and $4 ,000 later, there's the toy inside the cat. 251 00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:29,580 a big problem, man, and he could have died. 252 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:31,580 They don't seem to have a fear of open flame. 253 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:36,900 I've woken up in the middle of the night to find a gas on. 254 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,720 Whoa. I've woken up in the middle of the night to find a flame on. Wow. 255 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:42,980 I think our cats might be trying to kill us. 256 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,920 What a terrifying concept to wake up in the middle of the night with the gas on 257 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:47,920 or an open flame. 258 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:52,240 Or something worse could happen because these cats aren't afraid of open flames. 259 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:56,360 So we have since child -proofed our... Okay, we've done that too. 260 00:14:56,660 --> 00:15:00,100 We just don't leave anything out. Everything's locked up all the time. So 261 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:03,780 we're cooking, we either have to lock them away or be guarding everything all 262 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:07,440 the time. It's just incessant. We've gotten to this place where it's just so 263 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,780 frustrating because... 264 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:13,110 We feel like we've done everything we can possibly do, and we still have that 265 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:14,470 fear of making a mistake. 266 00:15:14,890 --> 00:15:19,930 Anna and Ben have done a lot. They make changes every time their cats show a 267 00:15:19,930 --> 00:15:23,430 little bit of ingenuity. They slam it down, but they can't get ahead of the 268 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:26,410 game. I want you guys to go through your normal feeding routine with the 269 00:15:26,410 --> 00:15:29,890 exception that we're not going to separate the cats. All right. We just 270 00:15:29,890 --> 00:15:33,110 them all eating in the same place at the same time so I can see how bad it 271 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:34,110 actually can get. 272 00:15:34,270 --> 00:15:35,270 Oh, wow. 273 00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:38,110 Now, of course, as you're doing this, 274 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,640 They are all over the stove. 275 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,340 Luke, Luke. 276 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:48,560 Wow. Hey, hey, hey, hey. 277 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:56,320 Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me right now? It's like these cats have 278 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,780 been starving for a week. They just charge the cabinets. They're not dainty 279 00:16:00,780 --> 00:16:01,780 about anything. 280 00:16:01,820 --> 00:16:04,860 All three of your cats have serious... 281 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:06,810 Food drives. 282 00:16:07,070 --> 00:16:10,130 Let me tell you something. I've dealt with a lot of food aggression, a lot of 283 00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:14,090 food obsessions and cats, but I've never felt as bad for a couple of guardians 284 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:17,910 as these guys because Ben and Anna, although they're committed to solving 285 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:20,030 problem here, you can tell they're at their wits' end. 286 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:24,210 Let's just say I'm a friend coming over here and we're going to have a snack 287 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:27,510 together. Do you have something you could break out, like some food? Human? 288 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,300 Food. These cats literally just ate, so they shouldn't be hungry. But I'm going 289 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:35,200 to bait them with some food so I can see firsthand the extent of their food 290 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,660 obsession. Uh -oh. 291 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,980 And Daniel is on it. 292 00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:41,780 All right, Danny. 293 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,000 Wow. Holy. 294 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,860 And Daniel is on it. 295 00:17:01,420 --> 00:17:02,460 All right, Danny. 296 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:07,220 Wow. 297 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:08,599 Holy. 298 00:17:08,859 --> 00:17:12,560 Basically, it was just an example of what we go through in our daily life. 299 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:16,359 Stolen food, destroyed toys, broken dreams. 300 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:17,960 So many broken dreams. 301 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,800 Damn. 302 00:17:19,940 --> 00:17:20,919 Hey, hey, hey. 303 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,240 He was going to take a finger with the chip. I dare you to try and take it away 304 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,240 from him. Oh, yeah? 305 00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:30,940 Just like that, like a steam shovel or like a T -Rex. He comes in and just 306 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:36,420 obliterates four or five chips. Never. I've never seen that before. I almost 307 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:39,640 fell out of my chair, man. That was crazy looking. So I want to take this 308 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,640 opportunity to just hang out with him a little bit. All right. 309 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,760 Food can't be the be -all and end -all if you're a cat. The process of securing 310 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,300 food, that is the be -all end -all. I want to see if these guys have that 311 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:54,460 connection to their raw cat, to their instincts. If I can get these cats as 312 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:58,920 interested in hunting and playing as they are with the act of eating, I got a 313 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,500 leg to stand on. Otherwise, I got nothing. 314 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:04,460 Wow. 315 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,620 You are born to do this. They are. 316 00:18:09,409 --> 00:18:12,910 obsessed with hunting. I mean, they're going after the toy with the same kind 317 00:18:12,910 --> 00:18:17,330 veracity as they went for the food. The raw cat is blossoming out of all free 318 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:18,330 cats. 319 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:21,450 Seriously? That's really cool, though. 320 00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:28,030 Well, Lucifer, the good news is that Luke is like, I want that toy. I want 321 00:18:28,030 --> 00:18:30,990 bird, and you can hang on to the treats for now. I'll come back for that. 322 00:18:31,330 --> 00:18:35,650 That's what we wanted, because it gives me an approach, an in to their life that 323 00:18:35,650 --> 00:18:37,830 I didn't have before. I want to remove... 324 00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:40,150 The perception that you're powerless. 325 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:44,970 Your cats, and this is all of them, not just Luke, are incredibly wonderful, 326 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:46,370 what I call raw cats. 327 00:18:46,910 --> 00:18:52,070 they are in touch with their hunters, right? They look like wild cats when 328 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:53,290 are following a toy. 329 00:18:53,650 --> 00:18:58,070 Now, the very beginning of your homework is going to be speaking to the raw cat. 330 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:01,090 They're eating dry food right now. I want you to start making the transition 331 00:19:01,090 --> 00:19:05,110 a raw diet. I think that that's really going to satisfy them in a way that 332 00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:06,110 they're not being satisfied. 333 00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:10,730 You can buy raw food at a lot of different pet stores. They come frozen, 334 00:19:10,730 --> 00:19:14,490 thaw them out, and there you have raw meat with the supplements that cats 335 00:19:14,650 --> 00:19:15,950 and it's great that that's available. 336 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,100 One other thing I want you to change is I want you to institute what are called 337 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:20,100 slow feeder bowls. 338 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,680 Slow feeder bowls are bowls that have bumps in them, little walls, things like 339 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,840 that. It's going to force Luke to slow down his eating. I don't want you to 340 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,320 to separate these guys during feeding. I don't think there's any reason that you 341 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,360 would have to if they're all eating at a normal pace. 342 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,800 Because they're slowing the process down of chewing and swallowing, their body 343 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,620 can register feeling full, and that compulsion has a chance to be a little 344 00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:45,479 mellowed out. 345 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,280 Your next piece of homework is what I call the three R's. And three R's are 346 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,600 routine, ritual, rhythm. 347 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,880 So the idea is that when you have a routine around feeding, and that becomes 348 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,000 ritual. And those rituals repeated day after day become their rhythm. Hunt, 349 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:03,060 catch, kill, eat. This is my life. This is what I've got to do. 350 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:05,920 Play is going to become a precursor to the meal. 351 00:20:06,270 --> 00:20:08,230 We have to get them tired. 352 00:20:08,770 --> 00:20:12,970 Seeing that these three cats will choose the hunt over the kill tells me that if 353 00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:17,610 we institute playtime before meals, we can get something very natural out of 354 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:21,150 their system so that the eating itself is not so desperate and frenetic. One 355 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:22,150 more piece of homework. 356 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:26,090 Well, we're going to use deterrents. So there are remote deterrents that you put 357 00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:29,630 up, and I just want them up when you're not in the room. So you set up these 358 00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:34,270 little air canisters so as soon as they jump up on that counter, and then down 359 00:20:34,270 --> 00:20:34,909 they go. 360 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:38,550 Any place where there is food, there's going to be a little blaster. Have you 361 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:40,390 tried it before? No, but I love this idea. 362 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:42,490 I've never heard of this. 363 00:20:42,810 --> 00:20:46,570 Yes. Now, clearly, the countertops are a problem in this house. By using the 364 00:20:46,570 --> 00:20:49,690 deterrent, we're letting them know this is not the best place for you to go. 365 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:54,090 Not, we the humans shall punish you, but the space itself doesn't want you 366 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:57,600 there. Keep your heads up, small steps, but I've got a feeling we're going to 367 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,220 start getting a little bit of a handle on this thing, and hopefully the cats 368 00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:04,440 won't eat the handle. We're definitely committed to the homework and to making 369 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,560 it work because there is no other alternative for us right now. 370 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,360 I will be back in a few weeks. The homework that Jackson gave us can help 371 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,680 make some progress, and we're ready to try it. All right, bye, guys. Bye. 372 00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:18,300 Pickle, the mommy's not coming. 373 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,680 No. Ow. 374 00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:33,550 The last time I was in New Jersey visiting Jennifer's family and their cat 375 00:21:33,550 --> 00:21:36,330 Pickles. Bad kitty. Also known as Bad Kitty. 376 00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:41,010 I met a cat who pretty much left me alone. You gonna get me? But really tore 377 00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:43,430 into his guardian every time she tried to pet him. Ow! 378 00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:45,690 Look at that. 379 00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:50,090 Hi. Hi. 380 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:51,730 Come on in. 381 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:52,830 How have things been going? 382 00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:58,770 Oh, not bad. How was he after I left? He was his normal... 383 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:03,220 Okay, 384 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,040 so I think first the best thing for us to do is to go through your video 385 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,040 homework. Okay. 386 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:11,140 Big kitty. 387 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,660 I'm having a tough time looking at Pickle's behavior outdoors. It's the 388 00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:19,840 conundrum with the indoor -outdoor thing. Big kitty, you want to come in? 389 00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:26,120 Yeah. But in this case, what I do like is that the second he gets outside, his 390 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:27,120 body changes. 391 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,440 And he becomes much more relaxed. 392 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,800 So that was good footage. I like that. 393 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,440 Good. Looks like Abigail has her cat toy. 394 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:41,260 And now she doesn't. Did you find that you were having to just stay on top of 395 00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:42,260 her at all times? Yeah. 396 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:48,960 So did that make you more aware of how her relationship really is with him? 397 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,780 Yeah. Get down. 398 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:53,320 What in the hell? Get down. 399 00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:54,820 I'm scared. 400 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:56,519 I'll help you. 401 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,460 No. Can you please just get him off the bed? 402 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:01,140 What are you doing? 403 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:01,819 Are you? 404 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:02,840 Come here. Come here. 405 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Come on. 406 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,240 No. Come on. Get off the bed. 407 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,900 Come on. Get off the bed. 408 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,560 Off the bed. Wow. 409 00:23:10,540 --> 00:23:11,479 Good boy. 410 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,300 Let's go back. So we walk in here. 411 00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:14,740 His tail is still. 412 00:23:15,140 --> 00:23:17,740 Nothing's going on. His body is somewhat relaxed. 413 00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:20,340 He's not in attack mode at all. No. 414 00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:23,060 He's pointing at Abigail going, what's going on here? 415 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:25,100 So I want to know. 416 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:26,760 What scared her in that moment? 417 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Can we get her in here? 418 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:31,440 He's not putting out something that she should be screaming about. I'm looking 419 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,680 at body language that's just not saying, I'm going to kill you. And clearly, 420 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,300 Abigail is misinterpreting his signals. 421 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:41,420 We are all really curious. 422 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,120 I'm watching your homework. 423 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,340 What happened right before your mom walked in? 424 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,380 Bad kitty came on the bed and started attacking my feet. 425 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:52,920 You were just laying on the bed, he came up there and started attacking you? Um, 426 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,680 when I start moving my feet, he attacks them. 427 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Aha! 428 00:23:57,260 --> 00:24:02,120 Okay, we've got feet down there, and he saw it as a toy, and he swiped, and she 429 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,120 got overly scared. 430 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:08,640 That's a lot different from, I sat on my bed and he attacked me and chased me up 431 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,640 on the desk. 432 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:11,280 Come on, we love you. 433 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,920 Jennifer? Strike one. 434 00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:17,720 Is this normal too? Yeah. 435 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,360 Ow! 436 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,780 Ow. Strike two. 437 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,240 Look at you. 438 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:31,100 No. Strike four. Strike seven. Strike eight. Come on, Jennifer. There's got to 439 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,940 be a moment where you stop striking out. Just let mommy pet you. I just want 440 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:35,940 to... Ow! 441 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,040 Ow! 442 00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:54,090 He is being really communicative right now. Look, his ears are going backwards. 443 00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:56,110 He's totally defensive. 444 00:24:56,390 --> 00:25:01,050 His tail is whipping all over the place. He might as well have a big neon sign 445 00:25:01,050 --> 00:25:06,390 over his head saying, don't touch. Right? And then what happens? 446 00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:07,790 I continue. 447 00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:09,530 And you're going again. 448 00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:14,310 What are you trying to accomplish here? I just, because he let me pet him once. 449 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,560 Gotcha. You know? 450 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:18,080 Famous last words. 451 00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:20,140 Just let mommy pet you. 452 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,400 Part of the reason that I show this video homework to my clients is to hold 453 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,380 very big mirror up to their behavior, not their cat's behavior. 454 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,500 And I think Jennifer is getting it. She's seeing how, in a consistent way, 455 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:37,580 they're asking for it. And they're getting it. 456 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,920 In the meantime, our other friend just came out. 457 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:42,180 Hi, Tickles. 458 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,660 I just want you to be really hyper aware of everything you're getting body 459 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:49,260 language from him right now. So, Abigail, we're in school right now, 460 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:52,020 want to teach you everything you need to know about your boy, okay? 461 00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:53,980 Right now. 462 00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:55,079 What do you think? 463 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,080 I think he's nervous. 464 00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:58,740 Okay. What are you seeing that tells you that? 465 00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:03,020 Well, he's staring with big eyes, like on guard. 466 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,040 Also... Ears? 467 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:07,280 No, you're missing the big ones. The tail. 468 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:11,230 He talks very loudly with his tail. 469 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:16,450 Anytime that his tail is twitching like that, he's letting you know that he's 470 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:17,890 getting agitated. 471 00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:21,490 Pickle is predictably overstimulatable. 472 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:26,250 And he does have a short fuse. But you can still respect that short fuse 473 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:29,470 walking on eggshells. Notice that he's sitting there. 474 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:34,870 He's super relaxed right now. So that's really good news. In the meantime... 475 00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:39,200 I can tell you that no matter how relaxed he is at the moment, if you were 476 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,900 over there and do your whole I want you to love on me thing, you're going to get 477 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:44,900 it. 478 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,800 I'm hoping Jennifer gets it by now. Between everything I've told her, 479 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,460 she's witnessed, the video homework, watching herself, that she is definitely 480 00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:54,380 part of the problem here, a big part of the problem. 481 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,020 If she doesn't get it, I don't see any changes happening here. 482 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,440 So. Bad kitty's on you a little bit. We can keep calling him bad kitty, but we 483 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,020 can stop setting him up and don't want to come back here next time knowing that 484 00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:10,480 he's not being given the opportunity to clear his name. 485 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,340 No. Homework time. 486 00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:17,460 Right. We've set up this expectation that when you or Abigail come around, 487 00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:21,460 you're going to be seeking something from him, and he immediately starts 488 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:22,339 shrinking back. 489 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:25,880 So the first piece of homework we'll call love from afar. 490 00:27:26,140 --> 00:27:28,600 Okay. Over the next two weeks, no touch. 491 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,400 Okay. No petting. No going after him. If he wants to pet you, he will. Okay. I 492 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,140 do not want to see any more footage of Jennifer diving in for attention and 493 00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:43,980 saying, just love mommy or anything like that. Hands off. Just like any other 494 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:47,820 relationship, you've got to respect your other's boundaries. 495 00:27:48,380 --> 00:27:53,660 I think the family is convinced that the way to interact with a cat, period, is 496 00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:55,320 through loving and touching, especially with Abigail. 497 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:57,260 Encourage the toy. 498 00:27:57,540 --> 00:28:00,900 Discourage the pet pet. The other thing I want these guys to do in terms of 499 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:02,800 overstimulation is daily play therapy. 500 00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:05,880 He's got to get that energy out of his body one way or another. 501 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,200 You can either do it appropriately or you can get hurt. 502 00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:14,380 Now, moving on. Seeing Pickles outside, we saw in the video that relaxed, 503 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,220 present body language of a cat in his element doing his thing that you almost 504 00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:22,060 never see in the house. Right. So what I'm going to do is hook you up with a 505 00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:24,600 friends of mine. We're going to set up a catio for you. Okay. 506 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,680 If we want to address Pickles' overstimulation problem, the first thing 507 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,340 got to do is ritualize his daily experience so that his body is expecting 508 00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:35,880 stimulation at certain times and he's not seeking it in inappropriate times. 509 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:36,909 Okay, cool. 510 00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:43,510 All right, let's go back in. I learned today that we are a lot of the cause of 511 00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:44,510 bad kitty's behavior. 512 00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:48,810 It makes me feel terrible. I am hoping the homework that Jackson has put in 513 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,870 place will help me help Pickles. 514 00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:55,730 He just wants to eat everything all the time. 515 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:59,350 Woken up in the middle of the night to find a flame on. I think our cats might 516 00:28:59,350 --> 00:29:00,350 be trying to kill us. 517 00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:10,380 So I'm here for my second visit with Ben and Anna and their cats, obsessed with 518 00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:13,000 putting anything in their mouth, whether it be food or otherwise. 519 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:17,920 Hopefully we are moving from much mania to a measure of civility. We'll see. 520 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:21,580 Hello. Hello. 521 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,920 Come on in. 522 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,100 How have things been with you guys? 523 00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:27,260 Things have been okay. 524 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Yeah. Work in progress. 525 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,260 You had to do that look. 526 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,380 Let's go through your video homework because I know you guys have a lot of... 527 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,560 Tough to show me. 528 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Luke has already destroyed three of these fishing line toys. 529 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,140 You got a simmer, buddy. 530 00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:48,020 Yeah, 531 00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:49,780 baby. 532 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:53,340 You don't get any more raw than that, man. 533 00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:56,200 This is my kill. 534 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,880 That is fantastic. 535 00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:00,420 This is what we want from these cats. 536 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,380 Their behavior is extreme behavior of what I call the raw cat, the natural 537 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,100 the ancestral cat. That's what Luke is doing. And now he's got it channeled 538 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,039 the right place. 539 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,540 Okay, so moving on. 540 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Hey, so I got these super cool deterrent thingies. I'm going to put it over here 541 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,760 by the sink. 542 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:23,460 Oh, there you go. 543 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,120 Deterrents, I think, are working. 544 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,299 There you go. 545 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:31,840 So here's some raw food that I warmed up, and I'm going to put it in these 546 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,840 -feeding bowls. 547 00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:36,440 We're still having challenges feeding them all together. 548 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:38,060 Okay, so that's interesting. 549 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:45,040 I mean, we've got one, two, three bowls, and one, two, and three cats 550 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,980 triangulating one bowl with slow -feeder bowls. They don't look like they're all 551 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:51,980 that slow -feedy. 552 00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:56,650 I asked these guys to get slow feeder bowls to help slow the cats down from 553 00:30:56,650 --> 00:31:00,090 eating. What they got, I don't know what you want to call it, but it wasn't what 554 00:31:00,090 --> 00:31:04,070 I wanted. The other thing that I would recommend, let's put all three bowls in 555 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:07,430 the same socially significant area so they can see. They can look over to the 556 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:09,090 other guy, eh, he's got what I got. 557 00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:13,790 What I want to do is a feeding exercise because I want to bring in the right 558 00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:16,950 slow feeder to show you what's possible. 559 00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:18,290 Oh, they'll eat. 560 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,080 I think it's really important that I observe the feeding exercises today 561 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,660 I want to introduce an actual slow feeding bowl to show them the effect of 562 00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:32,360 slowing down a cat's eating. So with this bowl, we've got a big hole here, 563 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,380 all it is is a recipe for mess. 564 00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:40,400 This is a true slow feeding bowl. The thing that you want to do is do your 565 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,920 to smush it up against the ridges. So we want to do something like that. I want 566 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,340 one of you guys to take over for me. All right. 567 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,800 Go for it. Now, the cool thing about using bowls like this, other than the 568 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,220 obvious that they slow down, is also the natural aspect of problem solving. That 569 00:31:57,220 --> 00:32:02,560 cats who are indoors all the time actually lose that ability to solve 570 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,340 around their food. So this actually also, just with the play, helps them get 571 00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:08,340 touch with raw cats. 572 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:13,150 Okay, so let's place these down here. We got the raw food out. It is pasted up 573 00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:16,250 against the walls of these slow feeders. They're put in the right place at the 574 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:19,090 right time. It is time now to free the beast. 575 00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:21,430 And please let this go well. 576 00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:22,630 Okay, here we go. 577 00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:25,270 Oh, and here we go. 578 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:26,910 Here we go, cats. 579 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:32,030 Oh, come on, Luke. 580 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,440 Okay, here we go. 581 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,140 Oh, and here we go. 582 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,740 Here we go, cats. 583 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,960 Nice going, guys. 584 00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:51,980 There we go. 585 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,140 Perfect. Do you see how slow mealtime is at the moment? 586 00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:01,660 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Do you notice that nobody's hopping from bowl to bowl? 587 00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:05,960 They can't really go after each other's food. They're focused on getting the 588 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,960 food out of their bowl. 589 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:07,989 Good job, dude. 590 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:09,810 Yay, civilized mealtime. Yay. 591 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:17,070 All right, guys. Everything here is set up. Cats aren't calling the shots 592 00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:20,890 anymore around here. The humans are laying down the rhythm of this 593 00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:23,010 not the cats. This is the way it should be. 594 00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:27,170 Thank you so much. It's been a lot of work, but we're putting in the effort, 595 00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:30,530 putting in the time, because we love our cats more than anything. 596 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:43,310 I'm in New York, New York, to meet up with Chandler and her cat, Charlie. Now, 597 00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:48,070 Charlie found his calling, and that calling has saved the lives of countless 598 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:50,130 other kittens. Can't wait to meet these guys. 599 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:54,210 Hey. Hi. How are you? 600 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:58,170 Give me a hug. How are you doing? Good. How are you? I'm doing great. 601 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:00,910 Charlie. Hey, Charlie. 602 00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:02,610 Hi. 603 00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:05,370 Hey, Charlie, my city boy. Hi. 604 00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:07,530 Time to get kisses. 605 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,199 Oh, my God, he's so stinking adorable. 606 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:17,420 I'm Chandler, and I have a precious cat named Charlie. He's very sweet, he's 607 00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:22,639 incredibly loving, and he helps me foster and rehabilitate kittens here in 608 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,100 York. You've been fostering for... My whole life. 609 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,400 Really? I hooked up with the AFPCA. You remember the first foster you did for 610 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,058 the AFPCA? 611 00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:34,460 Yes. Bitsy and Jitterbug. They were probably about eight or nine weeks. 612 00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:38,760 kept them separate at first, but Charlie was really interested in meeting them, 613 00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:42,460 so I kind of opened the door to the bathroom, and he just started bathing 614 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,540 cleaning them, cuddling them. 615 00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:46,360 Right off the bat. Right off the bat. 616 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:53,020 Wow. We had a foster named Boing who wouldn't let me anywhere near him. He 617 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:55,159 terrified of people. 618 00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:59,480 He hissed at me. He spit at me. He wouldn't leave his carrier. 619 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,500 But I needed to medicate him. Charlie crawled in the kennel with him. No. 620 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,260 Bathe, boing, and then I was able to get him out, medicate him, and then I just 621 00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:10,500 put him right back in with Charlie. 622 00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:15,600 I think it's amazing that Charlie is providing the service, basically. 623 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,700 is a foster dad. 624 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,700 He is providing a role model for little kittens to follow. 625 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:25,760 Having a cat like Charlie around to teach, but only a cat can teach another 626 00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:31,610 That's gold. Do you usually do kittens? A lot of times ASPCA will give us 627 00:35:31,610 --> 00:35:35,370 animals that they're special needs or they need socialization. 628 00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:41,370 And he's a huge help. Do they actually give you cats at this point where they 629 00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:43,720 know? Yeah, these are Charlie cats here. 630 00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:46,300 There's like a Charlie wait list. That's amazing, man. 631 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:51,000 Special needs kittens are usually the last ones who get adopted. So Chandler 632 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,700 makes sure that she and Charlie take the kittens that need them the most, and 633 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,900 then she makes sure that those guys get a home. How many? 634 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,400 Kittens have you fostered over the years? At this point, we've fostered 635 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,400 30. Wow. 636 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,100 Yeah. We're dealing with a New York apartment. 637 00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:07,260 I mean, there's not a lot of room here. Chandler and Charlie are knocking the 638 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:10,880 foster game out of the park. These guys have had over 30 special needs cats come 639 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,140 on through here. Those guys would have had a really hard time finding a home. 640 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:15,140 don't have kittens here, do we? 641 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:19,040 We do have kittens here. Lucy is about four or five months. 642 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,560 Okay. And we just got Patty, who is 10 weeks. 643 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,380 They are like last night. 644 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,960 Have they met even? 645 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,230 No. Patty is completely blind, so that's going to be, that could be touch and 646 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:32,930 go. Well, this is actually a really good opportunity. This couldn't be any 647 00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:37,630 better. A blind kitten who has never met Charlie before. So I get to see the 648 00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:42,190 whole beginning of this storied relationship right here, right now. 649 00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:43,590 Who is that? 650 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:49,990 So look, they're just meeting for the first time, and Charlie's going right in 651 00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:52,190 for it. And Patty seems totally cool. 652 00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:53,850 Oh, I hope this is. 653 00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:55,410 So this is really interesting. 654 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:02,720 Even though she just pushed his head out of a food dish, he grooms her and just 655 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:03,439 walks away. 656 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,360 Charlie is allowing Patty to push his head out of a food bowl. What does he 657 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,060 He cleans her head and he walks away. 658 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,420 You know what? You take my main resource that secures my territory. I'll go over 659 00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:18,520 here. Cats don't do that. You've got a really special cat. 660 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,220 That makes my heart happy. Without Charlie's help, fostering would be much 661 00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:25,340 difficult. He really is. 662 00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:27,510 An angel. Bye -bye, Mr. Charlie. 663 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,930 Goodbye, little kittens. You're in good paws and good hands. 664 00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:36,030 Here's a way to make a huge difference for the animals in your community. 665 00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:41,250 a foster parent. Go to thejacksongalaxyproject .org to find out 666 00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:43,970 something, because every something you do saves somebody. 667 00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:47,590 Big kitty, no. 668 00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:48,890 Ow! 669 00:37:49,070 --> 00:37:50,070 Ow! 670 00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:51,610 Someone. 671 00:37:56,590 --> 00:38:00,530 We're going into my third visit with Jennifer and her kids and, of course, 672 00:38:00,530 --> 00:38:02,170 Pickles, a .k .a. Bad Kitty. 673 00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:04,430 Just let Mommy pet you. I just want to... Ow! 674 00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:08,370 Now, the last time I was here, I was really seeing a pattern of 675 00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:12,830 in the form of unwanted petting. If Jennifer hasn't been petting Pickles all 676 00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:14,910 time, she should have some success here. 677 00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:18,430 Hey, you know what? Before I sit down, did you guys get the catio done? Yeah. 678 00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:19,790 Can we go? Absolutely. 679 00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:22,150 Yeah! 680 00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:24,110 Yeah! 681 00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:26,110 That's a catio. 682 00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:28,470 That's fantastic, man. 683 00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:34,190 That works exactly as I had pictured it in my mind. Right. Got this whole thing 684 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:38,050 here, so if he ever tries to crawl out, which I'm sure he won't, but bye -bye. 685 00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:39,610 He falls right down. 686 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:44,150 One of the things that makes the fence work is that it's curved at a 45 -degree 687 00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:47,530 angle, so when the cat looks up, they know they can't get out. But if they do 688 00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:50,890 try, it sort of collapses in on them with that curved section. 689 00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:55,170 We also have fishing line going across the top of the catio to keep the hawks 690 00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:59,050 out. I mean, really, everything is just as I was hoping. 691 00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:00,530 Has he been taken to it? 692 00:39:00,770 --> 00:39:05,850 Yeah, it's been good. We'll go around the center side, he loves. 693 00:39:06,799 --> 00:39:11,940 I love because I feel he's very safe in it. And this is all he likes to do. 694 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:13,500 Pickles. 695 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,300 He seems happy when he comes in from outside. 696 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:20,080 Good. I mean, you notice a little bit less of the craziness. Much less. 697 00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:21,740 Yep. Here we go. 698 00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:26,200 Very nice. All right. Well, it looks like the guys from Perfect Fence knocked 699 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,178 out of the park again. 700 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:32,080 Yep. Just by giving Pickles a ritualized date gave him an outlet for his energy. 701 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:33,300 Easy fix. 702 00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:35,380 Let's go back in and check in on your video. Okay. 703 00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:36,578 Let's do this. 704 00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:37,740 What, pickles? 705 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,080 What? 706 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,260 Want some lovins? 707 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520 We're two seconds into this, Jennifer. 708 00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:53,680 The two -week no touch. 709 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:55,720 It didn't work, huh? I mean... 710 00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:06,740 What, pickle? 711 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,960 What? 712 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,260 Want some lovin'? We're two seconds into this, Jennifer. 713 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,860 He wanted me to pet him. Fail, Jennifer. 714 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,300 Fail. I mean, if I can keep your youngest child from doing this, it's got 715 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:24,300 start with you. 716 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,840 No. 717 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:32,980 It looks like in the video, Abigail totally understands now that play looks 718 00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:36,660 this. And that's a big deal because it's so great to see her have those nice 719 00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:37,660 moments with him. 720 00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:39,960 Do you feel better with him? 721 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,360 Yes. Good. 722 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,600 It's so good to see you laughing with him instead of crying. 723 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:49,340 The last time I was watching homework, I was watching Abigail sitting on the top 724 00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:50,900 of a roll -top desk screaming. 725 00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:52,220 That's gone. 726 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,580 It's a child on her bed with a cat playing with him. 727 00:40:54,860 --> 00:41:01,740 Score. Do you feel like you recognize what it is that gets Pickles into 728 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:02,840 the bad kitty place? 729 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,220 I do. Too much hands -on, too much affection and attention. He doesn't like 730 00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:12,120 that. Good. And there's our boy, Mr. Pickles. 731 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,400 Excuse me. 732 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,620 I'm sitting on the couch talking to the family, and there's Pickles. Look at 733 00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:19,520 that. That is so lovey. 734 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:24,470 Just hanging out with Pickles is such a wonderful change. 735 00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:29,490 He's so much more at ease with his surroundings. The cat hug is when he 736 00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:30,530 his belly like this. 737 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:36,510 It's their way of saying that I trust you. It's a cat hug. 738 00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:41,430 All cats want to be able to come to you and explore you. With Pickles, it's just 739 00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:43,150 that much more important, and now we have proof. 740 00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:45,430 Goodbye. Thank you. 741 00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:48,010 Oh, I get the biggest hug in the world. Yay! 742 00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:51,990 Thank you. I am so grateful to Jackson. 743 00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:57,510 I cannot believe how much Pickles has changed over the past month. When I 744 00:41:57,510 --> 00:42:01,950 Jackson to help me, it was because I was on the verge of looking for another 745 00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:05,110 home for him. And now Pickles is here to stay. 746 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:07,690 Oh my God, he's letting you pet him. 747 00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:09,590 This is so good. 62173

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