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Big kitty, no. We call Pickles bad kitty
because he is forever attacking us and
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scratching us.
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Oh my God, look at my arm. I am
concerned for my children's safety.
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If bad kitty does not get any better,
I'm going to have to find a
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childless home for him to go to.
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Daniel and Lucifer. They're obsessed
with their food. They're obsessed with
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people food.
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No! I've woken up in the middle of the
night to find the gas on. Woken up in
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middle of the night to find a flame on.
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I think our cats might be trying to kill
us.
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Charlie crawled in the kennel with him.
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No. And then I was able to get him out
and then medicate him.
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Cats don't do that. Charlie is the
foster dad.
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He's so stinking adorable.
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Whoa! Holy!
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I'm Jackson Galaxy.
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What the hell, man?
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The animal behavior that guardians call
when they're dealing with a difficult
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cat. Sometimes I wish that I didn't have
her.
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Damn.
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I'm out to prove that there is no such
thing as a bad cat. Just a cat that
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my help. This is fun.
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My name is Jennifer, and I have my
daughters, Alexis and Abigail.
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We have a two -year -old cat named
Pickle, but we call him Bad Kitty. Bad
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the mommy loves you.
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My daughters, they wanted a little
kitten to love. They got Bad Kitty.
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Ow!
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Ow!
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His attacks are random.
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He tends to come out of hiding and
pounce on us when we least expect it.
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He literally will come at you.
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Poor blood.
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Abigail is terrified of Bad Kitty. She
asks me to carry her down the hallway
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because she is afraid of the attack.
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I'm really scared of Bad Kitty.
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I am concerned for my children's safety.
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I wish I could cuddle with Bad Kitty.
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If Bad Kitty does not.
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get any better, I'm going to have to
find a childless home for him to go to.
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And I don't want to do that.
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I am praying that Jackson can do
something for this cat.
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Jackson,
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please come help us.
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Isn't that nice?
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Nice to meet you. I'm Jennifer. Hey,
Jennifer.
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Hi, how are you? I'm Alexis.
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Hey, Alexis. What's your name?
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Abigail.
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Good to meet you, Abigail.
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Okay, and what is the situation?
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Pickle's bad kitty.
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Pickle's bad kitty. All right. How long
was it before you guys started getting
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beat up? It was pretty immediate.
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It's more of my mom than anyone,
actually. It really is. Oh.
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He hates me.
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Don't you dare.
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Ow! You little...
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I am. You look pretty decently beat up.
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I am. He doesn't attack me as much as
everyone else. Why? Because I wasn't as
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all up on him as everyone else was when
we first got him. Where everybody else
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is getting beat up.
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It's always her. It's always me. Or
Abigail.
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And are you afraid of him?
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No. Well, that's not fun. Sometimes when
he lays down and I walk past him, he
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gets his claws out and does that.
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And when he does that, does he actually
get you? Yep. Does he make you bleed?
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He does?
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You know, what's going on is pretty
serious.
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I mean, Jennifer is all marked up, but
we have a six -year -old child.
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It's really a powder keg in this house,
and I've got to make sure it doesn't go
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off.
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But you still like cats.
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Okay. My mom had a surprise for me, and
it was a new kitten.
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What?
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You're kidding me. You have a new
kitten?
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Mm -hmm.
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When did you get a kitten?
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Last week. Oh, my God.
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Okay. She desperately wanted a kitten.
She was crying. I don't know why Bear
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Kitty hates me.
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So I got a little kitty.
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And what's his name?
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Simba. Simba. Sure, I get it.
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Abigail loves animals. She loves cats.
She would love to have a kitten that she
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could love and hug and everything. But
it's almost like, this one's broken. I
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want a new one. It's a cat, not a toy.
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Does he spend time outside?
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He does. He did get attacked once.
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Really bad. Really bad.
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By what?
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We think a hawk. Wow.
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He had this wound, and it had opened up,
and it was a huge abscess. So the vet
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said it looked like a hawk tried to
scoop him up.
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You've spent more than five minutes with
me, you know how I feel about cats that
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go outside. I don't like it. I think
that cats will live longer inside, and
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Pickles is proof.
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He came within an inch of being hawk
food.
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I don't like letting him out at all. But
once he goes outside and releases some
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energy, then he comes back very calm.
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He's only outside for like ten minutes.
Ten minutes? Yeah. I tried very hard for
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a while to keep him indoors, but if I
did not let him out, we all suffered the
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consequences.
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I want to do a quick walk around. Okay.
And let's go to the hallway.
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So, Abigail, where does he usually hang
out and wait for you? He stays right
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here, and when I have to go to the
bathroom in the night, he attacks me.
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You be him, and I'll be you. So if I'm
you, and I'm walking down here,
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I'm Abigail. Ow!
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Bad kitty!
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Right now I'm hearing about what could
be play aggression, which is when
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hides and he goes after people's fingers
and ankles.
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Okay, so down here we have baby Simba.
Yeah.
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Hello, baby Simba. I mean, even though
Simba's a really cool dude, he's still
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got claws and teeth.
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So, Abigail, I would start being a
little careful with your friend there.
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Abigail.
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And Simba, and handling Simba like he's
a toy or a doll.
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I see that a lot with kids. It is a bad
way to start a kitten's life. And
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honestly, Abigail's old enough to know
these lessons, and Jennifer's got to
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teach those lessons.
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So, is he more relaxed out here? Yeah.
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So, coming out here, it's almost like
he's like, I can breathe. Yeah. And then
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he comes back in, and he's in a
different state.
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Yeah. Pickles finds solace being
outside, but I don't know what to tell
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guys. I don't want to tell them to just
lock him inside because that could kick
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up the aggression in a big way. At the
same time, when he's out here, he could
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be hawk food.
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It's a really bad place to be.
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Where is Pickles right now? In the
bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom.
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I'm just trying to get a read on this
cat.
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I mean, he's been pretty much MIA all
day, so I do want to get some
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from him. I do want to overstimulate him
a little bit if I can, but in a gentle
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way. Listen, I'm just going to mess with
you a little bit, okay?
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Got that tail going.
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Got that tail going.
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You know, there's surefire ways to get a
cat a little bit off their game. You
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know, you touch their paws, touch the
tummy, but right now I'm getting
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Are you annoyed?
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Are you going to beat me up?
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Are you going to beat me up?
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No, I like that bracelet.
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I mean, he's obviously annoyed with me.
He just doesn't want to act on it.
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Hey, Jennifer?
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Yeah? Will you come here? The cat that
I'm working with right now is not the
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that's been described to me. So I want
to get Jennifer in here right now and
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what she can get done.
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Hi there, kitty.
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Now, when Jennifer goes in, she's moving
with fear.
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She's not trusting him.
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Just let mommy pet you. I just want
to... Ow!
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No!
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I just want to pet you.
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Ow!
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Just let mommy pet
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you. I just want to... Ow! Ow!
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When Jennifer goes in, he just goes for
her. Ow!
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No. This is the bad kitty that was
described to me.
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Look at that.
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Dude. That tells me that the
relationship between he and Jennifer is
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part of the problem here.
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God, I'm good.
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Okay, enough. Enough.
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Today, for Jackson's visit, bad kitty
did not bite him. I definitely would
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have been able to touch bad kitty like
that.
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I truly believe it's me. I think that
bad kitty just is angry with me for some
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reason. I don't know why.
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I mean, what you got from Pickles versus
what I got from Pickles, basically, I
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got Pickles, you got Bad Kitty. Which
does lead me to believe there's
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that you're doing here that's
contributing to the problem.
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So, homework time. The most important
thing that we can do right now is
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additional reconnaissance.
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So what we're going to do, this is the
Jennifer cam.
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This, I want you to have with you at all
times. I mean, because there's got to
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be a reason why you're getting beat up
more than anybody else.
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Jennifer's got a pretty specific piece
of this homework.
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She's the one who gets beat up more than
anyone else. So it's time for her to
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take a good look at herself.
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Now, outside.
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You've said, when he comes back inside
after he's been outside, he's chill. If
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tell you right now, keep that cat
inside.
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I'm afraid of making things worse in
here.
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Keep him in his current routine.
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That'll work for now.
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Right. I normally wouldn't even
entertain the idea of a cat being
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without a harness or without an
enclosure.
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But Jennifer keeps one eye on a cat at
all times. In ten minutes, he's back in.
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I'm forced to break my own rules and to
allow them to continue to let Pickles
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outside. I've got some tricks I can pull
out of my sleeve later, but for right
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now, I just don't want to rock the boat.
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Last point here.
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You are really important, and I think
that we need to have you start teaching
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Abigail that hands aren't toys, right? I
want you to use toys like this toy
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here. You are officially a cat play
queen.
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I need Abigail to learn safe handling
techniques when it comes to the cats.
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Never too young to learn an empathetic
approach to guardianship. I will be back
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in a few weeks, and we will figure out.
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Pickles, bad kitty.
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And get them to meet in the middle,
okay? Good. Thank you. All right, guys.
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looking forward to the next visit. I am
hoping that pickles will show
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improvement.
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I'm Anna. I'm Ben.
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And we live with our three adoptive
cats, Charles, Daniel, and Lucifer, who
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call Luke. We love our cats. They're
three of the best cats, but they're all
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obsessed with Luke.
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Hey.
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They're obsessed with their food.
They're obsessed with people food.
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obsessed with eating things that aren't
food.
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Daniel was adopted from a high -kill
shelter.
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Lucifer, we found in the front yard. We
sort of fell in love with him and
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decided to make him a permanent part of
the family.
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Once we brought Luke inside, we found
out that... Maybe just because he was
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almost feral, but he's obsessed with
food and wants to eat anything he can
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the time. Lucifer started this just
during feeding time, but it's progressed
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the point where he was stealing food
from the cabinets, going and fishing
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out of the garbage disposal, bullying us
off of our food.
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We pretty much just can never have food
around when he's around. So we have to
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put him away in another room if we're
going to cook food, if we're going to
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home with groceries.
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I was cooking once, pulling things in
and out of the fridge, and turned around
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to the stove. About 15 seconds later, I
hear this meowing coming from the
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fridge. Sure enough, it's in the fridge.
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Every little thing that we do is
affected by this.
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It's too much to manage to a T, and
there will be mistakes.
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We need Jackson's help, because my cats
are my babies, to think about...
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something potentially happening to them
that I could have prevented or changed,
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I would never, never forgive myself.
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Hello. Hey. How are you? I'm Jackson.
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Anna, nice to meet you. Hi, Ben. Hey,
Ben. Sit down. All right.
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Who's this?
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That's Daniel.
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Hi, Daniel.
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So in general, what's going on with
Lucifer? We are dealing with a case of
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obsession, sometimes bordering on food
aggression. Because he'll eat everybody
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else's food. Oh, yeah. You guys found
him?
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We have been doing a number of PNR work
for the neighborhood.
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Are you guys been trapping around the
neighborhood?
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Yeah. So we have... Yeah, maybe.
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TNR, or Trap New to Return, is proven to
be the only humane solution for the
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feral cat overpopulation crisis that
right now we're in the middle of. He was
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almost feral. He just came from outside
where he was eating whatever he could
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find. Is he the one who's the more
aggressive? Yeah, he just wants to eat
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everything all the time. So anything he
can get to in the cabinet, he'll find it
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in the cabinet and pull it out. So we
have child locks on all the cabinets.
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Well, so I worry about them getting into
things that...
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are either poisonous or going to be bad
for them. Daniel will chew on and ingest
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anything made of rubber, wires.
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Has he been hospitalized at any point
for it? Yes. He had a surgery to have a
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toy removed.
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We had to rush him to an emergency
surgery to the tune of $4 ,000.
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It's one of my worst nightmares that one
of my animals... would be exhibiting
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some kind of distress, and $4 ,000
later, there's the toy inside the cat.
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a big problem, man, and he could have
died.
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They don't seem to have a fear of open
flame.
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I've woken up in the middle of the night
to find a gas on.
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Whoa. I've woken up in the middle of the
night to find a flame on. Wow.
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I think our cats might be trying to kill
us.
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What a terrifying concept to wake up in
the middle of the night with the gas on
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or an open flame.
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Or something worse could happen because
these cats aren't afraid of open flames.
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So we have since child -proofed our...
Okay, we've done that too.
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We just don't leave anything out.
Everything's locked up all the time. So
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we're cooking, we either have to lock
them away or be guarding everything all
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the time. It's just incessant. We've
gotten to this place where it's just so
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frustrating because...
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We feel like we've done everything we
can possibly do, and we still have that
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fear of making a mistake.
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Anna and Ben have done a lot. They make
changes every time their cats show a
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little bit of ingenuity. They slam it
down, but they can't get ahead of the
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game. I want you guys to go through your
normal feeding routine with the
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exception that we're not going to
separate the cats. All right. We just
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them all eating in the same place at the
same time so I can see how bad it
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actually can get.
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Oh, wow.
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Now, of course, as you're doing this,
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They are all over the stove.
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Luke, Luke.
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Wow. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
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Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me
right now? It's like these cats have
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been starving for a week. They just
charge the cabinets. They're not dainty
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about anything.
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All three of your cats have serious...
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Food drives.
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Let me tell you something. I've dealt
with a lot of food aggression, a lot of
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food obsessions and cats, but I've never
felt as bad for a couple of guardians
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as these guys because Ben and Anna,
although they're committed to solving
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problem here, you can tell they're at
their wits' end.
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Let's just say I'm a friend coming over
here and we're going to have a snack
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together. Do you have something you
could break out, like some food? Human?
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Food. These cats literally just ate, so
they shouldn't be hungry. But I'm going
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to bait them with some food so I can see
firsthand the extent of their food
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obsession. Uh -oh.
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And Daniel is on it.
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All right, Danny.
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Wow. Holy.
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And Daniel is on it.
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All right, Danny.
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Wow.
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Holy.
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Basically, it was just an example of
what we go through in our daily life.
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Stolen food, destroyed toys, broken
dreams.
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So many broken dreams.
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Damn.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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He was going to take a finger with the
chip. I dare you to try and take it away
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from him. Oh, yeah?
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Just like that, like a steam shovel or
like a T -Rex. He comes in and just
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obliterates four or five chips. Never.
I've never seen that before. I almost
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fell out of my chair, man. That was
crazy looking. So I want to take this
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opportunity to just hang out with him a
little bit. All right.
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Food can't be the be -all and end -all
if you're a cat. The process of securing
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food, that is the be -all end -all. I
want to see if these guys have that
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connection to their raw cat, to their
instincts. If I can get these cats as
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interested in hunting and playing as
they are with the act of eating, I got a
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leg to stand on. Otherwise, I got
nothing.
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Wow.
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You are born to do this. They are.
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obsessed with hunting. I mean, they're
going after the toy with the same kind
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veracity as they went for the food. The
raw cat is blossoming out of all free
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cats.
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Seriously? That's really cool, though.
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Well, Lucifer, the good news is that
Luke is like, I want that toy. I want
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bird, and you can hang on to the treats
for now. I'll come back for that.
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That's what we wanted, because it gives
me an approach, an in to their life that
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I didn't have before. I want to
remove...
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The perception that you're powerless.
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Your cats, and this is all of them, not
just Luke, are incredibly wonderful,
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what I call raw cats.
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they are in touch with their hunters,
right? They look like wild cats when
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are following a toy.
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Now, the very beginning of your homework
is going to be speaking to the raw cat.
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They're eating dry food right now. I
want you to start making the transition
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a raw diet. I think that that's really
going to satisfy them in a way that
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they're not being satisfied.
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You can buy raw food at a lot of
different pet stores. They come frozen,
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thaw them out, and there you have raw
meat with the supplements that cats
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and it's great that that's available.
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One other thing I want you to change is
I want you to institute what are called
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slow feeder bowls.
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Slow feeder bowls are bowls that have
bumps in them, little walls, things like
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that. It's going to force Luke to slow
down his eating. I don't want you to
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to separate these guys during feeding. I
don't think there's any reason that you
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would have to if they're all eating at a
normal pace.
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Because they're slowing the process down
of chewing and swallowing, their body
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can register feeling full, and that
compulsion has a chance to be a little
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mellowed out.
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Your next piece of homework is what I
call the three R's. And three R's are
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routine, ritual, rhythm.
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So the idea is that when you have a
routine around feeding, and that becomes
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ritual. And those rituals repeated day
after day become their rhythm. Hunt,
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catch, kill, eat. This is my life. This
is what I've got to do.
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Play is going to become a precursor to
the meal.
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We have to get them tired.
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Seeing that these three cats will choose
the hunt over the kill tells me that if
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we institute playtime before meals, we
can get something very natural out of
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their system so that the eating itself
is not so desperate and frenetic. One
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more piece of homework.
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Well, we're going to use deterrents. So
there are remote deterrents that you put
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up, and I just want them up when you're
not in the room. So you set up these
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little air canisters so as soon as they
jump up on that counter, and then down
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they go.
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Any place where there is food, there's
going to be a little blaster. Have you
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tried it before? No, but I love this
idea.
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I've never heard of this.
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Yes. Now, clearly, the countertops are a
problem in this house. By using the
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deterrent, we're letting them know this
is not the best place for you to go.
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Not, we the humans shall punish you, but
the space itself doesn't want you
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there. Keep your heads up, small steps,
but I've got a feeling we're going to
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start getting a little bit of a handle
on this thing, and hopefully the cats
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won't eat the handle. We're definitely
committed to the homework and to making
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it work because there is no other
alternative for us right now.
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I will be back in a few weeks. The
homework that Jackson gave us can help
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make some progress, and we're ready to
try it. All right, bye, guys. Bye.
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Pickle, the mommy's not coming.
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No. Ow.
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The last time I was in New Jersey
visiting Jennifer's family and their cat
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Pickles. Bad kitty. Also known as Bad
Kitty.
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I met a cat who pretty much left me
alone. You gonna get me? But really tore
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into his guardian every time she tried
to pet him. Ow!
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Look at that.
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Hi. Hi.
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Come on in.
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How have things been going?
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Oh, not bad. How was he after I left? He
was his normal...
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Okay,
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so I think first the best thing for us
to do is to go through your video
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homework. Okay.
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Big kitty.
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I'm having a tough time looking at
Pickle's behavior outdoors. It's the
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conundrum with the indoor -outdoor
thing. Big kitty, you want to come in?
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Yeah. But in this case, what I do like
is that the second he gets outside, his
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body changes.
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And he becomes much more relaxed.
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So that was good footage. I like that.
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Good. Looks like Abigail has her cat
toy.
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And now she doesn't. Did you find that
you were having to just stay on top of
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her at all times? Yeah.
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So did that make you more aware of how
her relationship really is with him?
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Yeah. Get down.
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What in the hell? Get down.
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I'm scared.
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I'll help you.
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No. Can you please just get him off the
bed?
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What are you doing?
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Are you?
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Come here. Come here.
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Come on.
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No. Come on. Get off the bed.
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Come on. Get off the bed.
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Off the bed. Wow.
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Good boy.
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Let's go back. So we walk in here.
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His tail is still.
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Nothing's going on. His body is somewhat
relaxed.
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He's not in attack mode at all. No.
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He's pointing at Abigail going, what's
going on here?
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So I want to know.
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What scared her in that moment?
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Can we get her in here?
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He's not putting out something that she
should be screaming about. I'm looking
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at body language that's just not saying,
I'm going to kill you. And clearly,
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Abigail is misinterpreting his signals.
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We are all really curious.
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I'm watching your homework.
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What happened right before your mom
walked in?
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Bad kitty came on the bed and started
attacking my feet.
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You were just laying on the bed, he came
up there and started attacking you? Um,
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when I start moving my feet, he attacks
them.
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Aha!
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Okay, we've got feet down there, and he
saw it as a toy, and he swiped, and she
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got overly scared.
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That's a lot different from, I sat on my
bed and he attacked me and chased me up
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on the desk.
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Come on, we love you.
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Jennifer? Strike one.
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Is this normal too? Yeah.
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Ow!
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Ow. Strike two.
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Look at you.
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No. Strike four. Strike seven. Strike
eight. Come on, Jennifer. There's got to
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be a moment where you stop striking out.
Just let mommy pet you. I just want
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to... Ow!
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Ow!
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He is being really communicative right
now. Look, his ears are going backwards.
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He's totally defensive.
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His tail is whipping all over the place.
He might as well have a big neon sign
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over his head saying, don't touch.
Right? And then what happens?
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I continue.
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And you're going again.
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What are you trying to accomplish here?
I just, because he let me pet him once.
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Gotcha. You know?
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Famous last words.
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Just let mommy pet you.
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Part of the reason that I show this
video homework to my clients is to hold
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very big mirror up to their behavior,
not their cat's behavior.
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And I think Jennifer is getting it.
She's seeing how, in a consistent way,
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they're asking for it. And they're
getting it.
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In the meantime, our other friend just
came out.
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Hi, Tickles.
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I just want you to be really hyper aware
of everything you're getting body
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language from him right now. So,
Abigail, we're in school right now,
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want to teach you everything you need to
know about your boy, okay?
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Right now.
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What do you think?
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I think he's nervous.
464
00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:58,740
Okay. What are you seeing that tells you
that?
465
00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:03,020
Well, he's staring with big eyes, like
on guard.
466
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Also... Ears?
467
00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:07,280
No, you're missing the big ones. The
tail.
468
00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:11,230
He talks very loudly with his tail.
469
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:16,450
Anytime that his tail is twitching like
that, he's letting you know that he's
470
00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:17,890
getting agitated.
471
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:21,490
Pickle is predictably overstimulatable.
472
00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:26,250
And he does have a short fuse. But you
can still respect that short fuse
473
00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:29,470
walking on eggshells. Notice that he's
sitting there.
474
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:34,870
He's super relaxed right now. So that's
really good news. In the meantime...
475
00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:39,200
I can tell you that no matter how
relaxed he is at the moment, if you were
476
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,900
over there and do your whole I want you
to love on me thing, you're going to get
477
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:44,900
it.
478
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,800
I'm hoping Jennifer gets it by now.
Between everything I've told her,
479
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,460
she's witnessed, the video homework,
watching herself, that she is definitely
480
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:54,380
part of the problem here, a big part of
the problem.
481
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,020
If she doesn't get it, I don't see any
changes happening here.
482
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,440
So. Bad kitty's on you a little bit. We
can keep calling him bad kitty, but we
483
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,020
can stop setting him up and don't want
to come back here next time knowing that
484
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:10,480
he's not being given the opportunity to
clear his name.
485
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,340
No. Homework time.
486
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:17,460
Right. We've set up this expectation
that when you or Abigail come around,
487
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:21,460
you're going to be seeking something
from him, and he immediately starts
488
00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:22,339
shrinking back.
489
00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:25,880
So the first piece of homework we'll
call love from afar.
490
00:27:26,140 --> 00:27:28,600
Okay. Over the next two weeks, no touch.
491
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,400
Okay. No petting. No going after him. If
he wants to pet you, he will. Okay. I
492
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,140
do not want to see any more footage of
Jennifer diving in for attention and
493
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:43,980
saying, just love mommy or anything like
that. Hands off. Just like any other
494
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:47,820
relationship, you've got to respect your
other's boundaries.
495
00:27:48,380 --> 00:27:53,660
I think the family is convinced that the
way to interact with a cat, period, is
496
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:55,320
through loving and touching, especially
with Abigail.
497
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:57,260
Encourage the toy.
498
00:27:57,540 --> 00:28:00,900
Discourage the pet pet. The other thing
I want these guys to do in terms of
499
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:02,800
overstimulation is daily play therapy.
500
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:05,880
He's got to get that energy out of his
body one way or another.
501
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,200
You can either do it appropriately or
you can get hurt.
502
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:14,380
Now, moving on. Seeing Pickles outside,
we saw in the video that relaxed,
503
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,220
present body language of a cat in his
element doing his thing that you almost
504
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:22,060
never see in the house. Right. So what
I'm going to do is hook you up with a
505
00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:24,600
friends of mine. We're going to set up a
catio for you. Okay.
506
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,680
If we want to address Pickles'
overstimulation problem, the first thing
507
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,340
got to do is ritualize his daily
experience so that his body is expecting
508
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:35,880
stimulation at certain times and he's
not seeking it in inappropriate times.
509
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:36,909
Okay, cool.
510
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:43,510
All right, let's go back in. I learned
today that we are a lot of the cause of
511
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:44,510
bad kitty's behavior.
512
00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:48,810
It makes me feel terrible. I am hoping
the homework that Jackson has put in
513
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,870
place will help me help Pickles.
514
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:55,730
He just wants to eat everything all the
time.
515
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:59,350
Woken up in the middle of the night to
find a flame on. I think our cats might
516
00:28:59,350 --> 00:29:00,350
be trying to kill us.
517
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:10,380
So I'm here for my second visit with Ben
and Anna and their cats, obsessed with
518
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:13,000
putting anything in their mouth, whether
it be food or otherwise.
519
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:17,920
Hopefully we are moving from much mania
to a measure of civility. We'll see.
520
00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:21,580
Hello. Hello.
521
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Come on in.
522
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,100
How have things been with you guys?
523
00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:27,260
Things have been okay.
524
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Yeah. Work in progress.
525
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,260
You had to do that look.
526
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,380
Let's go through your video homework
because I know you guys have a lot of...
527
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,560
Tough to show me.
528
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Luke has already destroyed three of
these fishing line toys.
529
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,140
You got a simmer, buddy.
530
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:48,020
Yeah,
531
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:49,780
baby.
532
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:53,340
You don't get any more raw than that,
man.
533
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:56,200
This is my kill.
534
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,880
That is fantastic.
535
00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:00,420
This is what we want from these cats.
536
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,380
Their behavior is extreme behavior of
what I call the raw cat, the natural
537
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,100
the ancestral cat. That's what Luke is
doing. And now he's got it channeled
538
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,039
the right place.
539
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,540
Okay, so moving on.
540
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Hey, so I got these super cool deterrent
thingies. I'm going to put it over here
541
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,760
by the sink.
542
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:23,460
Oh, there you go.
543
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,120
Deterrents, I think, are working.
544
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,299
There you go.
545
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:31,840
So here's some raw food that I warmed
up, and I'm going to put it in these
546
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,840
-feeding bowls.
547
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:36,440
We're still having challenges feeding
them all together.
548
00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:38,060
Okay, so that's interesting.
549
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:45,040
I mean, we've got one, two, three bowls,
and one, two, and three cats
550
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,980
triangulating one bowl with slow -feeder
bowls. They don't look like they're all
551
00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:51,980
that slow -feedy.
552
00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:56,650
I asked these guys to get slow feeder
bowls to help slow the cats down from
553
00:30:56,650 --> 00:31:00,090
eating. What they got, I don't know what
you want to call it, but it wasn't what
554
00:31:00,090 --> 00:31:04,070
I wanted. The other thing that I would
recommend, let's put all three bowls in
555
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:07,430
the same socially significant area so
they can see. They can look over to the
556
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:09,090
other guy, eh, he's got what I got.
557
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:13,790
What I want to do is a feeding exercise
because I want to bring in the right
558
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:16,950
slow feeder to show you what's possible.
559
00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:18,290
Oh, they'll eat.
560
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,080
I think it's really important that I
observe the feeding exercises today
561
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,660
I want to introduce an actual slow
feeding bowl to show them the effect of
562
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:32,360
slowing down a cat's eating. So with
this bowl, we've got a big hole here,
563
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,380
all it is is a recipe for mess.
564
00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:40,400
This is a true slow feeding bowl. The
thing that you want to do is do your
565
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,920
to smush it up against the ridges. So we
want to do something like that. I want
566
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,340
one of you guys to take over for me. All
right.
567
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,800
Go for it. Now, the cool thing about
using bowls like this, other than the
568
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,220
obvious that they slow down, is also the
natural aspect of problem solving. That
569
00:31:57,220 --> 00:32:02,560
cats who are indoors all the time
actually lose that ability to solve
570
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,340
around their food. So this actually
also, just with the play, helps them get
571
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:08,340
touch with raw cats.
572
00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:13,150
Okay, so let's place these down here. We
got the raw food out. It is pasted up
573
00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:16,250
against the walls of these slow feeders.
They're put in the right place at the
574
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:19,090
right time. It is time now to free the
beast.
575
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:21,430
And please let this go well.
576
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:22,630
Okay, here we go.
577
00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:25,270
Oh, and here we go.
578
00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:26,910
Here we go, cats.
579
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:32,030
Oh, come on, Luke.
580
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,440
Okay, here we go.
581
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,140
Oh, and here we go.
582
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,740
Here we go, cats.
583
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Nice going, guys.
584
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:51,980
There we go.
585
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,140
Perfect. Do you see how slow mealtime is
at the moment?
586
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:01,660
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Do you notice
that nobody's hopping from bowl to bowl?
587
00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:05,960
They can't really go after each other's
food. They're focused on getting the
588
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,960
food out of their bowl.
589
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:07,989
Good job, dude.
590
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:09,810
Yay, civilized mealtime. Yay.
591
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:17,070
All right, guys. Everything here is set
up. Cats aren't calling the shots
592
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:20,890
anymore around here. The humans are
laying down the rhythm of this
593
00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:23,010
not the cats. This is the way it should
be.
594
00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:27,170
Thank you so much. It's been a lot of
work, but we're putting in the effort,
595
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:30,530
putting in the time, because we love our
cats more than anything.
596
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:43,310
I'm in New York, New York, to meet up
with Chandler and her cat, Charlie. Now,
597
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:48,070
Charlie found his calling, and that
calling has saved the lives of countless
598
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:50,130
other kittens. Can't wait to meet these
guys.
599
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:54,210
Hey. Hi. How are you?
600
00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:58,170
Give me a hug. How are you doing? Good.
How are you? I'm doing great.
601
00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:00,910
Charlie. Hey, Charlie.
602
00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:02,610
Hi.
603
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:05,370
Hey, Charlie, my city boy. Hi.
604
00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:07,530
Time to get kisses.
605
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,199
Oh, my God, he's so stinking adorable.
606
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:17,420
I'm Chandler, and I have a precious cat
named Charlie. He's very sweet, he's
607
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:22,639
incredibly loving, and he helps me
foster and rehabilitate kittens here in
608
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,100
York. You've been fostering for... My
whole life.
609
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,400
Really? I hooked up with the AFPCA. You
remember the first foster you did for
610
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,058
the AFPCA?
611
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:34,460
Yes. Bitsy and Jitterbug. They were
probably about eight or nine weeks.
612
00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:38,760
kept them separate at first, but Charlie
was really interested in meeting them,
613
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:42,460
so I kind of opened the door to the
bathroom, and he just started bathing
614
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,540
cleaning them, cuddling them.
615
00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:46,360
Right off the bat. Right off the bat.
616
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:53,020
Wow. We had a foster named Boing who
wouldn't let me anywhere near him. He
617
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:55,159
terrified of people.
618
00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:59,480
He hissed at me. He spit at me. He
wouldn't leave his carrier.
619
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,500
But I needed to medicate him. Charlie
crawled in the kennel with him. No.
620
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,260
Bathe, boing, and then I was able to get
him out, medicate him, and then I just
621
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:10,500
put him right back in with Charlie.
622
00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:15,600
I think it's amazing that Charlie is
providing the service, basically.
623
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,700
is a foster dad.
624
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,700
He is providing a role model for little
kittens to follow.
625
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:25,760
Having a cat like Charlie around to
teach, but only a cat can teach another
626
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:31,610
That's gold. Do you usually do kittens?
A lot of times ASPCA will give us
627
00:35:31,610 --> 00:35:35,370
animals that they're special needs or
they need socialization.
628
00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:41,370
And he's a huge help. Do they actually
give you cats at this point where they
629
00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:43,720
know? Yeah, these are Charlie cats here.
630
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:46,300
There's like a Charlie wait list. That's
amazing, man.
631
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:51,000
Special needs kittens are usually the
last ones who get adopted. So Chandler
632
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,700
makes sure that she and Charlie take the
kittens that need them the most, and
633
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,900
then she makes sure that those guys get
a home. How many?
634
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Kittens have you fostered over the
years? At this point, we've fostered
635
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,400
30. Wow.
636
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,100
Yeah. We're dealing with a New York
apartment.
637
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:07,260
I mean, there's not a lot of room here.
Chandler and Charlie are knocking the
638
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:10,880
foster game out of the park. These guys
have had over 30 special needs cats come
639
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,140
on through here. Those guys would have
had a really hard time finding a home.
640
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:15,140
don't have kittens here, do we?
641
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:19,040
We do have kittens here. Lucy is about
four or five months.
642
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,560
Okay. And we just got Patty, who is 10
weeks.
643
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,380
They are like last night.
644
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Have they met even?
645
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,230
No. Patty is completely blind, so that's
going to be, that could be touch and
646
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:32,930
go. Well, this is actually a really good
opportunity. This couldn't be any
647
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:37,630
better. A blind kitten who has never met
Charlie before. So I get to see the
648
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:42,190
whole beginning of this storied
relationship right here, right now.
649
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:43,590
Who is that?
650
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:49,990
So look, they're just meeting for the
first time, and Charlie's going right in
651
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:52,190
for it. And Patty seems totally cool.
652
00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:53,850
Oh, I hope this is.
653
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:55,410
So this is really interesting.
654
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:02,720
Even though she just pushed his head out
of a food dish, he grooms her and just
655
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:03,439
walks away.
656
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,360
Charlie is allowing Patty to push his
head out of a food bowl. What does he
657
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,060
He cleans her head and he walks away.
658
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,420
You know what? You take my main resource
that secures my territory. I'll go over
659
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:18,520
here. Cats don't do that. You've got a
really special cat.
660
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,220
That makes my heart happy. Without
Charlie's help, fostering would be much
661
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:25,340
difficult. He really is.
662
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:27,510
An angel. Bye -bye, Mr. Charlie.
663
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,930
Goodbye, little kittens. You're in good
paws and good hands.
664
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:36,030
Here's a way to make a huge difference
for the animals in your community.
665
00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:41,250
a foster parent. Go to
thejacksongalaxyproject .org to find out
666
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:43,970
something, because every something you
do saves somebody.
667
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:47,590
Big kitty, no.
668
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:48,890
Ow!
669
00:37:49,070 --> 00:37:50,070
Ow!
670
00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:51,610
Someone.
671
00:37:56,590 --> 00:38:00,530
We're going into my third visit with
Jennifer and her kids and, of course,
672
00:38:00,530 --> 00:38:02,170
Pickles, a .k .a. Bad Kitty.
673
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:04,430
Just let Mommy pet you. I just want
to... Ow!
674
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:08,370
Now, the last time I was here, I was
really seeing a pattern of
675
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:12,830
in the form of unwanted petting. If
Jennifer hasn't been petting Pickles all
676
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:14,910
time, she should have some success here.
677
00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:18,430
Hey, you know what? Before I sit down,
did you guys get the catio done? Yeah.
678
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:19,790
Can we go? Absolutely.
679
00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:22,150
Yeah!
680
00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:24,110
Yeah!
681
00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:26,110
That's a catio.
682
00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:28,470
That's fantastic, man.
683
00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:34,190
That works exactly as I had pictured it
in my mind. Right. Got this whole thing
684
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:38,050
here, so if he ever tries to crawl out,
which I'm sure he won't, but bye -bye.
685
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:39,610
He falls right down.
686
00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:44,150
One of the things that makes the fence
work is that it's curved at a 45 -degree
687
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:47,530
angle, so when the cat looks up, they
know they can't get out. But if they do
688
00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:50,890
try, it sort of collapses in on them
with that curved section.
689
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:55,170
We also have fishing line going across
the top of the catio to keep the hawks
690
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:59,050
out. I mean, really, everything is just
as I was hoping.
691
00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:00,530
Has he been taken to it?
692
00:39:00,770 --> 00:39:05,850
Yeah, it's been good. We'll go around
the center side, he loves.
693
00:39:06,799 --> 00:39:11,940
I love because I feel he's very safe in
it. And this is all he likes to do.
694
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:13,500
Pickles.
695
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,300
He seems happy when he comes in from
outside.
696
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:20,080
Good. I mean, you notice a little bit
less of the craziness. Much less.
697
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:21,740
Yep. Here we go.
698
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:26,200
Very nice. All right. Well, it looks
like the guys from Perfect Fence knocked
699
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,178
out of the park again.
700
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:32,080
Yep. Just by giving Pickles a ritualized
date gave him an outlet for his energy.
701
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:33,300
Easy fix.
702
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:35,380
Let's go back in and check in on your
video. Okay.
703
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:36,578
Let's do this.
704
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:37,740
What, pickles?
705
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,080
What?
706
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,260
Want some lovins?
707
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520
We're two seconds into this, Jennifer.
708
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:53,680
The two -week no touch.
709
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:55,720
It didn't work, huh? I mean...
710
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:06,740
What, pickle?
711
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,960
What?
712
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,260
Want some lovin'? We're two seconds into
this, Jennifer.
713
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,860
He wanted me to pet him. Fail, Jennifer.
714
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,300
Fail. I mean, if I can keep your
youngest child from doing this, it's got
715
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:24,300
start with you.
716
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,840
No.
717
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:32,980
It looks like in the video, Abigail
totally understands now that play looks
718
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:36,660
this. And that's a big deal because it's
so great to see her have those nice
719
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:37,660
moments with him.
720
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:39,960
Do you feel better with him?
721
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Yes. Good.
722
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,600
It's so good to see you laughing with
him instead of crying.
723
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:49,340
The last time I was watching homework, I
was watching Abigail sitting on the top
724
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:50,900
of a roll -top desk screaming.
725
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:52,220
That's gone.
726
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,580
It's a child on her bed with a cat
playing with him.
727
00:40:54,860 --> 00:41:01,740
Score. Do you feel like you recognize
what it is that gets Pickles into
728
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:02,840
the bad kitty place?
729
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,220
I do. Too much hands -on, too much
affection and attention. He doesn't like
730
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:12,120
that. Good. And there's our boy, Mr.
Pickles.
731
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,400
Excuse me.
732
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,620
I'm sitting on the couch talking to the
family, and there's Pickles. Look at
733
00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:19,520
that. That is so lovey.
734
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:24,470
Just hanging out with Pickles is such a
wonderful change.
735
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:29,490
He's so much more at ease with his
surroundings. The cat hug is when he
736
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:30,530
his belly like this.
737
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:36,510
It's their way of saying that I trust
you. It's a cat hug.
738
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:41,430
All cats want to be able to come to you
and explore you. With Pickles, it's just
739
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:43,150
that much more important, and now we
have proof.
740
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:45,430
Goodbye. Thank you.
741
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:48,010
Oh, I get the biggest hug in the world.
Yay!
742
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:51,990
Thank you. I am so grateful to Jackson.
743
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:57,510
I cannot believe how much Pickles has
changed over the past month. When I
744
00:41:57,510 --> 00:42:01,950
Jackson to help me, it was because I was
on the verge of looking for another
745
00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:05,110
home for him. And now Pickles is here to
stay.
746
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:07,690
Oh my God, he's letting you pet him.
747
00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:09,590
This is so good.
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