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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:34,265 --> 00:00:37,025 Sebastian junger: When a society collapses into anarchy 2 00:00:37,035 --> 00:00:40,295 And violence, civilians inevitably take matters 3 00:00:40,304 --> 00:00:42,704 Into their own hands. 4 00:00:45,307 --> 00:00:47,167 They form armed militias. 5 00:00:47,176 --> 00:00:49,436 They put up checkpoints and roadblocks. 6 00:00:49,444 --> 00:00:52,244 They kill or expel anyone in the area who might threaten 7 00:00:52,246 --> 00:00:54,546 Their grip on power. 8 00:00:58,049 --> 00:01:00,219 Sebastian junger: In that kind of environment, 9 00:01:00,218 --> 00:01:04,118 Radical ideologies are almost guaranteed to take hold. 10 00:01:04,286 --> 00:01:06,416 Radicalism depends on desperation. 11 00:01:06,422 --> 00:01:08,762 It depends on grievance. 12 00:01:08,757 --> 00:01:11,157 And it then provides its own harsh answers to the 13 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:13,329 Corruption and the violence that afflict much 14 00:01:13,327 --> 00:01:15,287 Of the world. 15 00:01:20,598 --> 00:01:22,798 Sebastian junger: People will always turn to radicalism once 16 00:01:22,801 --> 00:01:25,101 They have exhausted every other option. 17 00:01:25,103 --> 00:01:27,343 Militant: Allahu akbar, allahu akbar. 18 00:01:27,503 --> 00:01:29,203 Sebastian junger: They have to. 19 00:01:29,205 --> 00:01:31,765 Their very survival is at stake. 20 00:03:27,452 --> 00:03:30,452 Robin yassin kassab: At first it wasn't a revolutionary movement. 21 00:03:30,456 --> 00:03:32,756 They weren't calling for the fall of the regime or 22 00:03:32,758 --> 00:03:34,858 The execution of the president. 23 00:03:39,797 --> 00:03:41,427 Robin ysssin kassab: It was very simple. 24 00:03:41,432 --> 00:03:44,972 "we want our children to be released." 25 00:03:45,667 --> 00:03:47,867 They were calling for dignity, 26 00:03:47,870 --> 00:03:51,440 Which is important in a country where people 27 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,310 Were used to being humiliated and pushed around. 28 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,450 Sarah chayes: It's really remarkable the degree to which 29 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:04,949 Corruption has played an important role in driving a 30 00:04:04,952 --> 00:04:08,452 Variety of security crises that had been breaking out in 31 00:04:08,455 --> 00:04:11,715 The last five to ten years. 32 00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:16,230 Every single one of the arab spring revolutions was 33 00:04:16,228 --> 00:04:20,398 Explicitly an anti-corruption revolution. 34 00:04:20,398 --> 00:04:23,698 These were countries run by extremely sophisticated 35 00:04:23,701 --> 00:04:27,741 And successful criminal organizations. 36 00:04:27,738 --> 00:04:31,868 The people who are paid to uphold the law are the very 37 00:04:31,875 --> 00:04:34,335 Ones violating it. 38 00:04:34,344 --> 00:04:37,414 It's humiliating. 39 00:04:37,612 --> 00:04:40,852 Tunisia catches fire. 40 00:04:43,951 --> 00:04:46,591 Libya catches fire. 41 00:04:48,854 --> 00:04:52,024 Egypt catches fire. 42 00:04:53,657 --> 00:04:55,987 Bashar al-assad looks at that and says, 43 00:04:55,993 --> 00:04:57,763 "I'll be damned." 44 00:04:57,761 --> 00:05:02,301 So he was willing to respond to peaceful 45 00:05:02,298 --> 00:05:05,428 Demonstrations with maximal use of force. 46 00:05:30,856 --> 00:05:33,556 Sarah chayes: The bet that he made was 47 00:05:33,559 --> 00:05:36,429 "there's, at this point, no compromising 48 00:05:36,428 --> 00:05:39,298 With this movement so if I wanna stay in power, 49 00:05:39,297 --> 00:05:42,727 I have to absolutely take it to the limit." 50 00:05:52,441 --> 00:05:54,611 Robin yassin kassab: Very quickly we got into this 51 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:58,850 Cycle of protests that were met by gunfire which led 52 00:05:58,847 --> 00:06:01,007 To funerals the next day. 53 00:06:03,584 --> 00:06:05,884 The funerals became bigger protests. 54 00:06:05,886 --> 00:06:09,086 The demands, then, began to get bigger. 55 00:06:10,089 --> 00:06:14,089 Social justice and freedom, an end to corruption. 56 00:06:15,593 --> 00:06:19,563 The regime responded again with more and more violence. 57 00:06:24,901 --> 00:06:27,001 Zaidoun al-zoabi: I participated in demonstrations 58 00:06:27,004 --> 00:06:29,544 And I was detained twice afterwards. 59 00:06:29,539 --> 00:06:33,739 In that jail, I witnessed at least the death 60 00:06:33,743 --> 00:06:38,483 Of 80 people who died just because of the conditions. 61 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:43,380 There was no oxygen, there was no medicine. 62 00:06:44,917 --> 00:06:47,887 There was no space for you. 63 00:06:47,887 --> 00:06:50,947 You can't sleep, there's no sleep. 64 00:06:54,625 --> 00:06:57,725 Wardens did not have to beat us. 65 00:06:57,729 --> 00:07:00,599 We used to do it to each other. 66 00:07:00,598 --> 00:07:03,498 You know, just like a couple of rats put in a small, small, 67 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:07,370 Small space, and we were, we were just biting each other. 68 00:07:07,370 --> 00:07:10,540 It is a factory of terrorism. 69 00:07:10,539 --> 00:07:15,669 You would go inside as an ordinary person and 70 00:07:15,676 --> 00:07:18,376 Leave as a terrorist. 71 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:37,760 Linda ibrahim: I was almost 16, 17 72 00:07:37,763 --> 00:07:41,733 When the revolution started. 73 00:07:41,965 --> 00:07:43,725 I wanted to do something. 74 00:07:43,734 --> 00:07:45,904 I mean, I wanted to participate in demonstrations. 75 00:07:45,902 --> 00:07:48,572 I wanted these things to stop. 76 00:07:50,873 --> 00:07:55,543 Emely issa: That night, I tried to prevent them. 77 00:07:56,810 --> 00:08:00,580 I told them you are young and we don't know yet how will 78 00:08:00,581 --> 00:08:02,651 The regime behave against you. 79 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:05,679 I was afraid they will shoot. 80 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:07,475 They will shoot. 81 00:08:09,788 --> 00:08:12,818 I tried, but they insisted so I told them 82 00:08:12,824 --> 00:08:15,524 "okay, I will be in front of you. 83 00:08:15,526 --> 00:08:19,586 I will be the first, but you have to follow my instructions." 84 00:08:34,573 --> 00:08:38,713 Emely issa: If god gave me 1,000 years to live, 85 00:08:38,711 --> 00:08:41,881 I will never forget that sound. 86 00:08:45,883 --> 00:08:48,183 Linda ibrahim: When you see such sufferings, 87 00:08:48,186 --> 00:08:51,586 There is no childhood. 88 00:08:52,622 --> 00:08:55,662 So many of my friends were killed. 89 00:08:56,025 --> 00:09:00,455 And this is the hardest thing, you know. 90 00:09:00,463 --> 00:09:03,933 Before, we wanted many things, we wanted to change, 91 00:09:03,933 --> 00:09:06,803 But now we just want peace, you know, for, 92 00:09:06,802 --> 00:09:10,902 Stop killing children, I mean. 93 00:09:11,905 --> 00:09:15,165 Stop killing innocent people. 94 00:09:18,911 --> 00:09:21,651 Bbc news: Mr. President, human rights watch, for example, 95 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:25,178 30th of January this year, has said that forces loyal to 96 00:09:25,184 --> 00:09:28,194 Bashar al-assad "have deliberately and viciously 97 00:09:28,187 --> 00:09:30,947 Attacked civilians in opposition-held areas using 98 00:09:30,956 --> 00:09:34,486 Bashar al-assad: No, there's no indiscriminate weapons. 99 00:09:34,492 --> 00:09:37,592 When you, when you shoot, you aim, and when you shoot, 100 00:09:37,595 --> 00:09:39,755 When you aim you aim at terrorists in order 101 00:09:39,763 --> 00:09:42,763 To protect civilians. 102 00:09:42,766 --> 00:09:45,226 Again, if you're talking about casualty, that's war. 103 00:09:45,235 --> 00:09:48,035 You cannot have war without casualty. 104 00:09:52,773 --> 00:09:54,943 Man: Alahu akbar... 105 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,209 Alahu abkar. 106 00:10:13,625 --> 00:10:19,655 ♪ 107 00:10:26,737 --> 00:10:29,707 Robin yassin kassab: The regime wanted a war. 108 00:10:29,707 --> 00:10:31,637 This sounds strange. 109 00:10:31,642 --> 00:10:33,842 Why on earth would any regime, or government, 110 00:10:33,844 --> 00:10:37,014 Or state provoke a war against itself? 111 00:10:47,789 --> 00:10:50,119 Robin yassin kassab: The regime knew very well that it 112 00:10:50,125 --> 00:10:52,825 Couldn't survive a genuine reform process. 113 00:10:52,827 --> 00:10:54,957 If there was a real reform process, 114 00:10:54,962 --> 00:10:56,802 One thing would lead to another. 115 00:10:56,797 --> 00:10:59,297 There would, there would be more and more transparency, 116 00:10:59,299 --> 00:11:02,729 More and more crimes would be exposed, and in the end, 117 00:11:02,735 --> 00:11:06,095 At best, the president and his top officers would have 118 00:11:06,105 --> 00:11:09,765 Ended up in prison stripped of their stolen wealth. 119 00:11:13,844 --> 00:11:16,884 They thought that in a military conflict, in a war, 120 00:11:16,881 --> 00:11:20,751 They could win because they had done it before. 121 00:11:21,884 --> 00:11:27,264 Under hafez al-assad, the father of bashar in 1982, 122 00:11:27,257 --> 00:11:30,157 They used artillery, they used aerial bombardment, 123 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:33,059 They probably used chemical weapons, 124 00:11:33,061 --> 00:11:36,161 And they killed somewhere between 10,000 and 125 00:11:36,164 --> 00:11:41,304 40,000 people, and the memory of that terror kept the syrian 126 00:11:41,301 --> 00:11:44,971 People silent until 2011. 127 00:15:33,994 --> 00:15:36,234 Reporter: Pictures have emerged today apparently 128 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:38,400 Showing members of the syrian army defecting to join 129 00:15:38,398 --> 00:15:40,398 Protesters in the city of homs. 130 00:15:42,068 --> 00:15:44,638 Robin yassin kassab: You have a growing number of local 131 00:15:44,637 --> 00:15:48,237 Volunteers and a growing number of military defectors 132 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,140 Who were joining together to form into hundreds of 133 00:15:51,142 --> 00:15:54,682 Self-defense militias which eventually all came together 134 00:15:54,678 --> 00:15:58,108 Under the umbrella titled, "the free syrian army." 135 00:16:14,228 --> 00:16:17,058 Ahmed: These groups the fsa had in aleppo at that 136 00:16:17,065 --> 00:16:19,625 Time were really helpful. 137 00:16:20,033 --> 00:16:22,973 Once in salaheddin, I was demonstrating in there. 138 00:16:30,107 --> 00:16:33,537 People start just falling on the ground that, 139 00:16:33,544 --> 00:16:35,614 From shooting from the regime. 140 00:16:35,612 --> 00:16:38,482 They closed the road on us. 141 00:16:57,763 --> 00:17:00,003 Ahmed: And then, like out of nothing, like angels, 142 00:16:59,999 --> 00:17:02,299 Somebody shoot the thugs and they fell 143 00:17:02,301 --> 00:17:03,701 And they were able to escape. 144 00:17:44,139 --> 00:17:45,169 Soldier: Takbir! 145 00:17:45,174 --> 00:17:46,344 Fsa soldiers: Allahu akbar! 146 00:17:46,341 --> 00:17:47,411 Soldier: Takbir! 147 00:17:47,408 --> 00:17:48,438 Fsa soldiers: Allahu akbar! 148 00:17:48,442 --> 00:17:49,442 Soldier: Takbir! 149 00:17:49,443 --> 00:17:53,243 Christoph reuter: The propaganda of the regime was 150 00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:58,176 "we are not confronted with a local revolution 151 00:17:58,183 --> 00:17:59,783 Of people who demand rights. 152 00:17:59,784 --> 00:18:04,154 No, we are confronted with a foreign-funded jihadi movement." 153 00:18:04,155 --> 00:18:05,615 Peter bouckaert: Actually, a lot of the 154 00:18:05,623 --> 00:18:09,193 Jihadists were released by the syrian regime 155 00:18:09,193 --> 00:18:12,663 In the very early stage of the conflict. 156 00:18:20,302 --> 00:18:23,342 There was an amnesty which allowed a lot of people with 157 00:18:23,339 --> 00:18:27,269 Very nasty records to be freed from custody in syria. 158 00:18:27,808 --> 00:18:30,478 It was a strategy of survival. 159 00:18:30,478 --> 00:18:32,638 Robin yassin kassab: The regime thought enough people 160 00:18:32,646 --> 00:18:35,306 In the outside world would be scared away from the 161 00:18:35,315 --> 00:18:39,175 Revolution by the size of these bearded working classmen 162 00:18:39,185 --> 00:18:41,545 With kalashnikovs and they were right. 163 00:18:43,655 --> 00:18:47,215 And america, in 2011, 2012, they were saying, 164 00:18:47,226 --> 00:18:50,256 "we can't allow weapons to go into syria. 165 00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:53,732 We can't send the democrats, the nationalists of the free 166 00:18:53,732 --> 00:18:57,602 Army weapons, because some of those weapons might get into 167 00:18:57,602 --> 00:19:00,642 The hands of islamist extremists." 168 00:19:01,204 --> 00:19:05,114 Will mccants: In the absence of a major international effort 169 00:19:05,108 --> 00:19:10,238 To build a army to oppose the assad regime, 170 00:19:10,845 --> 00:19:14,205 A lot of private individuals in the gulf began 171 00:19:14,216 --> 00:19:18,146 To fund armed groups on the ground inside of syria. 172 00:19:18,886 --> 00:19:22,356 Ghaith abdul-ahad: Fsa was a fantastic media labeled term, 173 00:19:22,357 --> 00:19:24,417 But there was no central authority, 174 00:19:24,425 --> 00:19:27,385 No one could command anyone, no one could have a one unity 175 00:19:27,394 --> 00:19:30,564 On a frontline. 176 00:19:30,728 --> 00:19:35,328 I would go to a village, it has five, six militias. 177 00:19:35,333 --> 00:19:38,873 I would come few months later, they have multiplied into 50, 178 00:19:38,869 --> 00:19:44,169 60 because forming a militia became a way of getting money. 179 00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:47,140 The amount of money, the amount of ammunition, 180 00:19:47,143 --> 00:19:49,713 The amount of weapons pumped into that conflict totally 181 00:19:49,712 --> 00:19:51,782 Destroyed the revolution and turned it into the 182 00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:54,310 Dynamics of civil war. 183 00:20:29,582 --> 00:20:32,682 Peter bouckaert: Early in the war, isis wasn't present. 184 00:20:32,686 --> 00:20:35,286 There was a very diverse landscape. 185 00:20:35,288 --> 00:20:37,548 So a lot of the bosnians, and the tunisians, 186 00:20:37,556 --> 00:20:40,756 And the libyans, the more extreme kind of elements of 187 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:43,859 Those groups came on there "el muhadrim." 188 00:20:44,761 --> 00:20:46,731 El muhadrim means the immigrants, 189 00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:48,430 The foreign fighters. 190 00:20:48,431 --> 00:20:51,731 These groups fought alongside each other around aleppo. 191 00:21:10,484 --> 00:21:12,954 Ahmed: Fighters came 3:00 in the morning, 192 00:21:12,954 --> 00:21:14,454 Sneaked inside aleppo. 193 00:21:14,455 --> 00:21:16,315 Nobody knew they were coming. 194 00:21:16,323 --> 00:21:18,223 There were just, like, in every corner, 195 00:21:18,224 --> 00:21:20,594 You could see one fighter. 196 00:21:23,862 --> 00:21:25,432 And then in the morning, 197 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:28,400 Two tanks started shooting this neighborhood. 198 00:21:29,499 --> 00:21:32,329 The fsa started shooting it. 199 00:21:32,336 --> 00:21:36,266 They had only this rpg and it was not enough for that tank. 200 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:40,265 The second day, three tanks came. 201 00:21:43,777 --> 00:21:46,377 They destroyed the first one and then they 202 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:49,010 Destroyed the last one. 203 00:21:49,547 --> 00:21:51,377 So the one in the middle, just, like, 204 00:21:51,383 --> 00:21:52,723 Surrendered himself. 205 00:21:52,717 --> 00:21:54,377 Man: Allahu akbar! 206 00:21:58,354 --> 00:21:59,794 Allahu akbar! 207 00:21:59,789 --> 00:22:02,419 Man: Allahu akbar! 208 00:22:03,824 --> 00:22:06,364 Ahmed: In the same day, when all this happened, 209 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,260 Most of the people left aleppo and 210 00:22:08,261 --> 00:22:10,461 They went to the countryside. 211 00:23:36,076 --> 00:23:38,076 Mahmoud al-basha: Hanano military base was the biggest 212 00:23:38,078 --> 00:23:41,548 Military base for assad regime in aleppo city. 213 00:23:41,548 --> 00:23:44,378 So when the fsa took half of the city, 214 00:23:44,384 --> 00:23:47,454 They decided to attack this military base. 215 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:19,080 Ahmed: In this military base, there were thousands of weapons, 216 00:24:19,647 --> 00:24:22,377 Warehouses full of weapons. 217 00:24:23,784 --> 00:24:26,624 So many groups, people I know, friends, 218 00:24:26,621 --> 00:24:29,021 Were going to hanano military base and they were 219 00:24:29,023 --> 00:24:31,623 Just taking weapons. 220 00:24:57,516 --> 00:24:59,616 Man: Then the bombardments started. 221 00:25:04,188 --> 00:25:06,958 Day and night, non-stop. 222 00:27:31,831 --> 00:27:33,701 Sebastian junger: One of the problems with letting a 223 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,870 Civil war go on too long is that more 224 00:27:35,868 --> 00:27:38,768 And more people get involved. 225 00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:46,640 It's a little bit like a bar fight where all of a sudden, 226 00:27:46,643 --> 00:27:50,753 Everyone's jumped in and is throwing chairs at each other. 227 00:27:53,014 --> 00:27:56,224 Syria became a civil war in response to the violence 228 00:27:56,218 --> 00:27:59,088 Of the government. 229 00:27:59,087 --> 00:28:01,587 Eventually, iran got involved through hezbollah 230 00:28:01,589 --> 00:28:04,859 To support the assad regime. 231 00:28:04,858 --> 00:28:06,988 The kurds got involved. 232 00:28:06,993 --> 00:28:09,163 Turkey got involved. 233 00:28:09,161 --> 00:28:12,201 The arab gulf states got involved. 234 00:28:13,964 --> 00:28:16,734 Eventually, all the world powers and all the regional 235 00:28:16,734 --> 00:28:20,344 Powers had some investment in the war in syria and in many 236 00:28:20,337 --> 00:28:22,867 Cases were actively involved in the fighting. 237 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,110 Once you get in a proxy fight, so many people have such huge 238 00:28:31,112 --> 00:28:35,152 Interests in the outcome that it's almost impossible to stop. 239 00:28:45,757 --> 00:28:48,957 President obama: Obviously, this is a very tough issue. 240 00:28:48,961 --> 00:28:53,801 I have indicated repeatedly that president al-assad has 241 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,829 Lost legitimacy that he needs to step down. 242 00:28:57,836 --> 00:29:00,966 So far, he hasn't gotten the message and instead has 243 00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:04,373 Doubled down in violence on his own people. 244 00:29:04,975 --> 00:29:11,105 I have, at this point, not ordered military engagement in 245 00:29:12,181 --> 00:29:17,121 The situation, but we have been very clear that a red line 246 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,260 For us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical 247 00:29:21,257 --> 00:29:24,157 Weapons moving around or being utilized. 248 00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:25,889 That would change my calculus. 249 00:29:25,894 --> 00:29:27,294 That would change. 250 00:29:27,295 --> 00:29:28,985 Robin yassin kassab: When he said that, 251 00:29:28,996 --> 00:29:30,996 A lot of syrian revolutionaries were very 252 00:29:30,998 --> 00:29:32,298 Upset because it seems to be saying that, 253 00:29:32,299 --> 00:29:35,169 "look, you can use scud missiles, 254 00:29:35,168 --> 00:29:38,238 You can shoot them down in the street, 255 00:29:39,337 --> 00:29:41,867 You can use warplanes. 256 00:29:41,873 --> 00:29:44,873 Anything is fine except chemical weapons." 257 00:30:09,199 --> 00:30:10,969 Robin yassin kassab: Then, of course, 258 00:30:10,968 --> 00:30:13,268 He did use chemical weapons. 259 00:30:50,105 --> 00:30:54,065 Robin yassin kassab: He killed 1450 people in five hours, 260 00:30:54,076 --> 00:30:56,106 In the suburbs of damascus. 261 00:30:56,111 --> 00:30:59,081 Men, women, and children, choking to death. 262 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,010 Senator mccain: President of the United States called 263 00:31:01,015 --> 00:31:03,915 Lindsey graham and me over to the oval office. 264 00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:05,947 Looked us in the eye and said, 265 00:31:05,952 --> 00:31:08,052 "they've crossed the line, I'm gonna attack. 266 00:31:08,054 --> 00:31:10,424 I'm gonna degrade bashar al-assad, 267 00:31:10,423 --> 00:31:12,263 I'm gonna upgrade the capabilities of the free 268 00:31:12,258 --> 00:31:14,418 Syrian army and I'm gonna reverse the momentum 269 00:31:14,426 --> 00:31:16,126 On the battlefield." 270 00:31:16,127 --> 00:31:17,927 We emphasized two. 271 00:31:17,928 --> 00:31:21,028 We walked out and there was the usual cameras and said, 272 00:31:21,031 --> 00:31:22,961 "we're with the president all the way." 273 00:32:08,176 --> 00:32:10,636 Senator mccain: I'm sitting in my office and they're on cnn, 274 00:32:10,646 --> 00:32:12,906 The president has decided not to. 275 00:32:12,914 --> 00:32:14,554 President obama: My fellow americans. 276 00:32:14,548 --> 00:32:17,118 Tonight I wanna talk to you about syria. 277 00:32:17,117 --> 00:32:19,017 Senator mccain: That wasn't just disillusioning 278 00:32:19,018 --> 00:32:21,178 To me and lindsey graham. 279 00:32:21,186 --> 00:32:24,646 The saudis had planes on the runway when they found out 280 00:32:24,656 --> 00:32:28,556 President obama: Because we cannot resolve someone else's 281 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,659 Civil war through force. 282 00:32:30,661 --> 00:32:33,031 Robin yassin kassab: The red line disappeared. 283 00:32:33,030 --> 00:32:36,230 There were thousands of defections in that week. 284 00:32:36,233 --> 00:32:38,133 Thousands of soldiers and, 285 00:32:38,134 --> 00:32:41,444 And officers who'd be loyal to the regime, 286 00:32:41,437 --> 00:32:44,037 Hadn't dared to jump, they thought now it's going 287 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,569 To change because the americans are going to get 288 00:32:45,573 --> 00:32:47,973 Involved and they defected in that week, 289 00:32:47,975 --> 00:32:49,035 But nothing happened. 290 00:32:58,216 --> 00:33:00,346 Robin yassin kassab: Quite a few fighters in syria, 291 00:33:00,352 --> 00:33:02,352 Quite a few revolutionary fighters said, 292 00:33:02,354 --> 00:33:05,254 "look, we're never going to get help from the west. 293 00:33:05,256 --> 00:33:08,486 This guy can do anything he wants. 294 00:33:09,091 --> 00:33:12,331 He can kill us all with any weapons that he can find, 295 00:33:12,328 --> 00:33:16,058 In any way he chooses and the west is never going 296 00:33:16,065 --> 00:33:18,595 To come to our aid." 297 00:33:43,522 --> 00:33:46,222 Zaidoun al-zoabi: Syria is just a small triangle that 298 00:33:46,225 --> 00:33:49,225 Is hardly visible on the world map. 299 00:33:49,228 --> 00:33:52,128 You will see that this triangle is just like the 300 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:56,330 Heart of the world and if this crisis is not solved, 301 00:33:56,334 --> 00:34:00,274 Believe me, everyone in the world will suffer. 302 00:34:03,472 --> 00:34:06,142 Will mccants: In 2011, the syrian civil war 303 00:34:06,142 --> 00:34:08,012 Begins to take root. 304 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:11,280 At the same time, the american military finishes its 305 00:34:11,279 --> 00:34:14,049 Withdrawal from iraq. 306 00:34:14,048 --> 00:34:17,748 So, the islamic state has more freedom of action in iraq 307 00:34:17,751 --> 00:34:21,121 And they begin to look to syria as a place to give 308 00:34:21,121 --> 00:34:24,091 Themselves some strategic depth. 309 00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:27,420 Robin yassin kassab: In syria, it looks like isis is a creation 310 00:34:27,426 --> 00:34:29,286 Of bashar al-assad. 311 00:34:29,294 --> 00:34:33,234 It's a creation of his scorched earth policy. 312 00:34:33,231 --> 00:34:36,301 Assad had in effect an undeclared non-aggression 313 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,130 Pact with isis. 314 00:34:38,135 --> 00:34:42,265 And even today, when isis and the free army are fighting 315 00:34:42,272 --> 00:34:46,512 Each other, assad will come and bomb the free army. 316 00:35:21,475 --> 00:35:23,635 General flynn: It's a cancer that exists. 317 00:35:23,644 --> 00:35:28,084 The islamic world knows it exists. 318 00:35:28,081 --> 00:35:31,721 The rest of the world now sees it, feels it, 319 00:35:31,717 --> 00:35:33,817 Is bleeding because of it. 320 00:35:33,819 --> 00:35:36,249 Is terrorized because of it. 321 00:35:36,254 --> 00:35:38,494 It's not 30,000 guys in syria. 322 00:35:38,489 --> 00:35:42,259 The islamic state is a global problem. 323 00:35:42,259 --> 00:35:44,189 Christoph reuter: In its beginning it's an iraqi 324 00:35:44,194 --> 00:35:48,234 Organization, but what they had for syria was a blueprint, 325 00:35:48,231 --> 00:35:53,271 A very detailed plan, step a, b, c, d, 326 00:35:53,268 --> 00:35:56,838 How to colonize a foreign country. 327 00:35:56,838 --> 00:36:01,338 The first phase was training camps where they form a hybrid 328 00:36:01,342 --> 00:36:05,342 Army from the incoming people from tunisia, egypt, 329 00:36:05,346 --> 00:36:10,276 Daghestan, germany who didn't even have one common language. 330 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,529 Christoph reuter: It's an absolutely loyal army with no 331 00:36:30,536 --> 00:36:33,236 Local affiliations. 332 00:36:33,503 --> 00:36:38,413 And then, locally to know who is who in the 333 00:36:38,408 --> 00:36:42,678 Respective villages, they started to open da'wah offices, 334 00:36:43,411 --> 00:36:46,151 Missionary offices. 335 00:36:46,148 --> 00:36:48,208 And they did so in many, many places. 336 00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:51,145 In tal rifaat, in mar'a, in al-dana, in mayadin, 337 00:36:51,451 --> 00:36:55,151 In deir ez-zor, in manbij. 338 00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:57,487 And so, slowly, slowly, slowly, 339 00:36:57,490 --> 00:37:02,460 They knew exactly what is the composition of this community. 340 00:37:02,461 --> 00:37:07,401 Whom we could buy, whom we have to kill? 341 00:37:08,264 --> 00:37:11,274 First, they did this secretly. 342 00:37:11,268 --> 00:37:14,798 Then, only, once they felt powerful enough, they would, 343 00:37:14,804 --> 00:37:18,374 With lightning stroke, take over a particular village. 344 00:40:40,603 --> 00:40:42,903 Sarah chayes: What they're doing is saying this system is 345 00:40:42,906 --> 00:40:46,866 So rotten, it's so thoroughly rotten that the 346 00:40:46,876 --> 00:40:50,136 Only way to improve it is by fire and blood. 347 00:40:59,485 --> 00:41:02,645 Robin yassin kassab: The public display of horrific violence 348 00:41:02,655 --> 00:41:06,485 Against individuals is something which goes way back in history 349 00:41:06,492 --> 00:41:11,032 And every culture has done it at some time or, or the other. 350 00:41:12,496 --> 00:41:16,896 In britain, they used to hang, draw, and quarter. 351 00:41:17,834 --> 00:41:20,604 In china, they were dragged into the street 352 00:41:20,604 --> 00:41:23,144 And beaten to death. 353 00:41:23,139 --> 00:41:26,769 In France, women who had slept with german soldiers, 354 00:41:26,775 --> 00:41:29,635 Had their hair cut off and were beaten in the streets, 355 00:41:29,644 --> 00:41:32,684 Stripped naked and paraded. 356 00:41:33,146 --> 00:41:36,516 In the United States, people would take their wives and 357 00:41:36,517 --> 00:41:39,547 Their children along to the lynching of the black man and 358 00:41:39,553 --> 00:41:41,593 Then they'd stand there and smile and have their 359 00:41:41,588 --> 00:41:45,518 Photograph taken next to his corpse. 360 00:41:45,525 --> 00:41:48,585 This display of public violence was seen as a 361 00:41:48,594 --> 00:41:53,064 Necessary part of government in order to send the message 362 00:41:53,064 --> 00:41:55,064 Out into society. 363 00:41:55,066 --> 00:41:57,596 "we can do anything we like with you. 364 00:41:57,601 --> 00:42:01,141 Don't resist us because we have total power to do the most 365 00:42:01,137 --> 00:42:04,807 Horrific things and there's nothing you can do about it." 366 00:42:12,746 --> 00:42:14,546 Sebastian junger: All societies are blind to 367 00:42:14,548 --> 00:42:16,748 Their own violence. 368 00:42:17,649 --> 00:42:20,619 From the use of napalm in vietnam, 369 00:42:20,619 --> 00:42:22,749 To the bombing of german cities, 370 00:42:22,754 --> 00:42:26,994 To the use of nuclear weapons in japan, 371 00:42:26,991 --> 00:42:29,491 The United States has killed far more civilians 372 00:42:29,493 --> 00:42:32,133 Than isis ever could. 373 00:42:32,128 --> 00:42:34,598 In world war ii alone, allied forces are thought 374 00:42:34,597 --> 00:42:38,097 To have killed around one million civilians. 375 00:42:39,999 --> 00:42:42,869 We're focused on the wrongdoing of other groups. 376 00:42:42,869 --> 00:42:45,839 It's an adaptive trait that's probably hardwired 377 00:42:45,838 --> 00:42:48,568 Into the brain because it has survival value. 378 00:42:48,873 --> 00:42:51,713 President bush: Either you're with us or you're 379 00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:54,710 With the terrorists. 380 00:42:55,045 --> 00:42:57,675 Sebastian junger: It allows us to demonize the enemy who we 381 00:42:57,681 --> 00:43:00,951 May have to fight and to avoid the moral conflict 382 00:43:00,950 --> 00:43:03,750 That comes with killing. 383 00:43:05,586 --> 00:43:08,116 When the united states invaded iraq, 384 00:43:08,122 --> 00:43:11,962 They killed tens of thousands of innocent people. 385 00:43:11,959 --> 00:43:16,529 You can't do that and imagine there won't be consequences. 386 00:43:22,734 --> 00:43:24,744 Ghaith abdul-ahad: By early 2003, 387 00:43:24,737 --> 00:43:27,797 The majority of iraqis were happy to see the back 388 00:43:27,806 --> 00:43:30,536 Of saddam hussein. 389 00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:32,908 There is excitement, there is hope, 390 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:36,710 There is a degree of anxiety. 391 00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:38,884 I remember two days after the fall of baghdad, 392 00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:40,782 People were talking about, 393 00:43:40,783 --> 00:43:43,283 "why are the americans aggressive?" 394 00:43:44,885 --> 00:43:46,885 "why are they pointing their guns at the people 395 00:43:46,888 --> 00:43:49,918 In the street?" 396 00:43:50,223 --> 00:43:54,863 Saddam had committed massacres within the society, 397 00:43:54,861 --> 00:43:58,831 Enormous levels of violence, but you couldn't see it. 398 00:43:59,063 --> 00:44:01,103 Within the american occupation, 399 00:44:01,099 --> 00:44:03,729 Violence is televised. 400 00:44:03,734 --> 00:44:06,204 Pictures of the americans putting bags on the head of 401 00:44:06,203 --> 00:44:09,103 People and sitting them behind barbed wire, 402 00:44:09,105 --> 00:44:12,635 Forcing people to be naked, humiliating people. 403 00:44:19,712 --> 00:44:23,182 The loss of their credibility was enormous, 404 00:44:23,183 --> 00:44:27,293 They could have paved the iraqi roads in gold and still 405 00:44:27,287 --> 00:44:31,357 They can do the humiliation of abu ghraib. 406 00:44:35,293 --> 00:44:38,963 There was a burning american armored vehicle 407 00:44:38,964 --> 00:44:41,664 In haifa street in baghdad. 408 00:44:44,768 --> 00:44:49,768 As I'm walking I hear, see two small helicopters. 409 00:44:51,907 --> 00:44:54,737 They fire a rocket into the crowd that was celebrating 410 00:44:54,744 --> 00:44:57,714 Around the burning vehicle. 411 00:45:00,982 --> 00:45:07,122 I run towards the scene and I see this circle with a young 412 00:45:08,154 --> 00:45:14,294 Boy stunned, missing leg, a pool of blood and some liquids. 413 00:45:15,827 --> 00:45:18,857 Other people scattered in the middle. 414 00:45:26,770 --> 00:45:28,800 They're not screaming, they're not wailing, 415 00:45:28,806 --> 00:45:33,306 The injured people are silent, the silence of shock. 416 00:45:37,946 --> 00:45:39,276 The helicopters come again, 417 00:45:39,281 --> 00:45:43,351 They fire another rocket into the crowd. 418 00:45:43,351 --> 00:45:49,791 I'm trying to be as thin as the curb, you know, 419 00:45:50,823 --> 00:45:55,193 And then you realize there is people left in 420 00:45:55,195 --> 00:45:58,795 The middle of the road. 421 00:45:59,197 --> 00:46:02,827 There's this guy who was injured in the first attack 422 00:46:02,834 --> 00:46:04,834 And then was hit again. 423 00:46:04,836 --> 00:46:10,166 He raises himself, he looks around, he falls, 424 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,010 Stretches his arm, and still waits. 425 00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:16,480 No one can help him, no one can do anything. 426 00:46:16,479 --> 00:46:18,049 The helicopters were gone, 427 00:46:18,047 --> 00:46:22,977 But everyone was mortified with fear. 428 00:46:24,851 --> 00:46:28,151 Violence by the end of 2003, early 2004, 429 00:46:28,155 --> 00:46:31,815 Is a normal fact of society. 430 00:46:32,024 --> 00:46:34,934 When you see body parts in the street, 431 00:46:34,927 --> 00:46:38,227 When you see pieces of flesh hanging from a tree, 432 00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:43,070 When you see children killed because they were playing in 433 00:46:43,068 --> 00:46:47,068 The middle of the road, I don't think there is 434 00:46:47,072 --> 00:46:51,972 Difference in horror between seeing children just being hit 435 00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:55,405 By an american rocket with their limbs scattered, 436 00:46:55,412 --> 00:46:58,482 With their, with their legs oozing these fluids in the 437 00:46:58,481 --> 00:47:01,481 Middle of the street of baghdad and seeing someone, 438 00:47:01,484 --> 00:47:05,024 You know, executed by isis. 439 00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:07,420 You don't equate the two parties, 440 00:47:07,422 --> 00:47:09,862 But from the perspective of someone who lost his leg 441 00:47:09,857 --> 00:47:13,557 There is no good violence and bad violence. 442 00:47:17,896 --> 00:47:19,926 Peter bouckaert: It is very important for people to 443 00:47:19,932 --> 00:47:24,972 Understand just how much what is happening in syria today is 444 00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:28,910 Related to what happened in iraq over a decade ago. 445 00:47:31,074 --> 00:47:36,114 Iraq under saddam hussein was a sunni ruled country with 446 00:47:36,113 --> 00:47:40,013 Both the kurdish and the shia majority that suffered very 447 00:47:40,016 --> 00:47:43,946 Significantly at the hands of that sunni dominance. 448 00:47:46,086 --> 00:47:50,116 Whether you agree or not with the military intervention, 449 00:47:50,124 --> 00:47:53,994 The main failures were not the military intervention. 450 00:47:53,994 --> 00:47:56,564 It's the de-ba'athification of the country, 451 00:47:56,563 --> 00:47:58,963 Which completely marginalized the sunni population. 452 00:48:00,131 --> 00:48:02,971 Paul bremer: I am today establishing an iraqi 453 00:48:02,968 --> 00:48:05,228 De-ba'athification council. 454 00:48:05,236 --> 00:48:07,396 General petraeus: I was an occupation commander with all 455 00:48:07,404 --> 00:48:09,844 Of the responsibilities that went along with that, 456 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:12,969 Which essentially meant running part of iraq, 457 00:48:14,075 --> 00:48:16,935 Firing the ba'ath party, casting them on the ash heap 458 00:48:16,945 --> 00:48:21,075 Of history, created tens of thousands of iraqis, 459 00:48:21,082 --> 00:48:23,582 Including the most educated and, 460 00:48:23,584 --> 00:48:26,954 And influential in various sunni-arab communities 461 00:48:26,954 --> 00:48:29,994 Especially, whose incentive now was to oppose 462 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:34,060 To new iraq rather than to support it. 463 00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:35,590 Huge mistake. 464 00:48:35,594 --> 00:48:38,034 Dennis ross: It didn't make sense to do this kind of 465 00:48:38,029 --> 00:48:41,099 Wide-scaled de-ba'athification when within iraq itself, 466 00:48:41,098 --> 00:48:44,428 You wanna get a job, you had to join the ba'ath party. 467 00:48:44,434 --> 00:48:47,034 So, you know, you, it's, it's a little bit like the 468 00:48:47,036 --> 00:48:48,196 De-nazi-fication. 469 00:48:48,203 --> 00:48:51,503 Not everyone was, you know, 470 00:48:51,506 --> 00:48:56,266 Part of shaping a repressive regime that 471 00:48:56,276 --> 00:48:59,006 Suppressed everybody else. 472 00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:17,890 Ghaith abdul-ahad: The sunnis were oppressed by the 473 00:49:17,896 --> 00:49:20,196 Americans, by the shi'a government of iraq. 474 00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:23,028 Isis comes and promises liberation, 475 00:49:23,034 --> 00:49:27,544 Promises the end of that, promises bringing back the 476 00:49:27,538 --> 00:49:31,368 Sunni's pride that they've lost from 2003 and bringing 477 00:49:31,375 --> 00:49:34,275 Them back into control. 478 00:49:47,988 --> 00:49:49,918 Christoph reuter: If you called something ba'athi 479 00:49:49,924 --> 00:49:52,164 Nobody would follow, but once they discovered, 480 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:56,389 "hey, if you, if we say that we fight in the name of islam, 481 00:49:57,028 --> 00:50:01,098 In the name of jihad against the foreign occupiers, 482 00:50:01,099 --> 00:50:04,429 We have something that resonates." 483 00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:30,630 ♪ . ♪ 484 00:50:50,243 --> 00:50:52,613 Robin yassin kassab: Their propaganda owes a lot to 485 00:50:52,613 --> 00:50:56,053 Hollywood action films and to computer games 486 00:50:56,049 --> 00:50:58,179 That kids grow up on these days. 487 00:51:00,385 --> 00:51:05,085 Isis knows that if they make a high production video shot 488 00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:08,290 From various angles, if they get a white guy, 489 00:51:08,293 --> 00:51:12,403 Put him in a guantanamo style orange jumpsuit, 490 00:51:12,397 --> 00:51:16,367 They get a child or an english speaker to cut his 491 00:51:16,367 --> 00:51:21,567 Head off with a knife, they know that that night, 492 00:51:21,571 --> 00:51:25,171 Maybe the film will not be shown on mainstream tv, 493 00:51:25,174 --> 00:51:28,544 But they know that the story of the film will be headline 494 00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:31,014 News everywhere in the world. 495 00:51:31,013 --> 00:51:32,653 Lester holt: There is breaking news tonight of a 496 00:51:32,647 --> 00:51:34,577 Chilling new isis propaganda video. 497 00:51:34,582 --> 00:51:36,652 Reporter: The men believed to be syrian were shackled and 498 00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:41,090 The video shows the egyptian prisoners being marched onto a 499 00:51:41,087 --> 00:51:43,087 Beach by militants dressed in black then the 500 00:51:43,089 --> 00:51:46,119 Prisoners are beheaded brutally. 501 00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:48,755 Robin yassin kassab: Nobody will be talking about assad on 502 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,660 The same day he may have incinerated a hundred people 503 00:51:51,662 --> 00:51:54,732 In barrel bombs, but we don't see those people dying. 504 00:51:54,731 --> 00:51:57,301 We've, nobody has made a high-production video of it 505 00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,200 And followed it up with a threat to the west. 506 00:52:03,502 --> 00:52:07,142 It's very effective at striking fear into the hearts 507 00:52:07,139 --> 00:52:11,209 Of their enemies because the prospect of being captured by 508 00:52:11,209 --> 00:52:14,139 These people is too horrific to contemplate. 509 00:53:24,881 --> 00:53:27,351 Daniel koehler: The way they use social media sites like 510 00:53:27,351 --> 00:53:30,821 Facebook, twitter, youtube, and messenger services is so 511 00:53:30,821 --> 00:53:33,121 Incredibly sophisticated. 512 00:53:33,123 --> 00:53:35,423 They have a type of member that only engage in 513 00:53:35,425 --> 00:53:37,155 Online jihad. 514 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,830 This is the place where they spread the ideology, 515 00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:45,229 Peter bergen: You know, 6900 westerns have gone to join. 516 00:53:45,866 --> 00:53:48,226 So, you know, it's not an insignificant number. 517 00:53:48,236 --> 00:53:51,696 Some of these kids who are joining, you know, 518 00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:55,736 Fairly living pretty humdrum lives in belgium, France, 519 00:53:55,908 --> 00:53:59,778 London, United States, and they're joining isis and 520 00:53:59,779 --> 00:54:01,309 They're part of something bigger than themselves and 521 00:54:01,313 --> 00:54:02,353 It's exciting. 522 00:55:10,947 --> 00:55:12,877 Will mccants: The men who run the islamic state 523 00:55:12,883 --> 00:55:19,323 For all of its pretense to be a religious organization, uh, 524 00:55:19,587 --> 00:55:21,447 And all its quotation of scripture, 525 00:55:21,456 --> 00:55:24,786 When you look at how they behave as an organization, 526 00:55:24,792 --> 00:55:28,532 Um, in many ways, uh, it resembles, uh, 527 00:55:28,529 --> 00:55:32,499 The rough and tumble politics of a criminal organization. 528 00:55:32,499 --> 00:55:34,869 I mean, they put hits out on people, 529 00:55:34,868 --> 00:55:36,528 They extort people, 530 00:55:36,536 --> 00:55:39,396 Raising millions of dollars a year by these activities. 531 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,320 Christoph reuter: They went into an area and the first 532 00:55:58,323 --> 00:56:01,993 Thing they would do is the flour mill, the bakery, 533 00:56:01,993 --> 00:56:05,363 The concrete factory has to be taken 534 00:56:05,363 --> 00:56:07,863 Without damage immediately. 535 00:56:08,564 --> 00:56:13,504 They thought about "what do we need to maintain the 536 00:56:13,503 --> 00:56:16,873 Infrastructure of this area?" 537 00:56:36,558 --> 00:56:38,658 Christoph reuter: For example, for the, 538 00:56:38,661 --> 00:56:40,591 From a policeman and soldiers on the iraqi side, 539 00:56:40,596 --> 00:56:42,656 They told him, "you're an infidel." 540 00:56:42,664 --> 00:56:44,964 Theoretically, you have to die, but you can buy 541 00:56:44,966 --> 00:56:47,566 A "forgiveness card." 542 00:56:47,568 --> 00:56:49,868 The forgiveness card and the money you have paid for shows 543 00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:53,400 That you are repenting and every checkpoint will know if 544 00:56:53,406 --> 00:56:54,966 You show them the forgiveness card that 545 00:56:54,974 --> 00:56:56,744 You have been forgiven. 546 00:56:59,543 --> 00:57:02,613 So everybody bought for $400 a forgiveness card. 547 00:57:02,878 --> 00:57:05,608 A few months later, the decree came out and, 548 00:57:05,615 --> 00:57:07,675 "oh, the forgiveness cards have expired." 549 00:57:07,683 --> 00:57:10,053 You can buy a new one, but it costs a bit more. 550 00:57:10,785 --> 00:57:14,445 So everything, everything is costly. 551 00:57:14,688 --> 00:57:16,518 Robin yassin kassab: The vast majority of the syrian 552 00:57:16,524 --> 00:57:20,894 People see, um, isis as a foreign occupation force. 553 00:57:21,995 --> 00:57:26,595 In January 2014, the free army, 554 00:57:27,165 --> 00:57:30,725 The islamic front militias, and al-qaeda, 555 00:57:30,736 --> 00:57:33,866 All of them declared war on isis. 556 00:58:39,866 --> 00:58:42,596 Robin yassin kassab: They kicked isis out of the whole 557 00:58:42,603 --> 00:58:47,173 Of western syria out of latakia, idlib, out of aleppo, 558 00:58:48,773 --> 00:58:53,713 But then in iraq, because the iraqi state had become so 559 00:58:53,712 --> 00:58:57,912 Dysfunctional because the sunni arabs in iraq had become 560 00:58:57,916 --> 00:59:02,516 So alienated, they welcomed these people back in, 561 00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,619 Or some of them did. 562 00:59:06,121 --> 00:59:09,761 Christoph reuter: They started their blitzkrieg in iraq, 563 00:59:09,758 --> 00:59:15,588 Taking over mosul, tikrit, shirgat, hawija. 564 00:59:15,596 --> 00:59:19,796 And they managed to overrun the weapon depots of about 565 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,730 Four iraqi army divisions. 566 00:59:22,935 --> 00:59:26,265 They were drowning in weapons, they couldn't even take all 567 00:59:26,272 --> 00:59:29,012 The weapons with them and burned some of them. 568 00:59:29,008 --> 00:59:31,738 But now, they were a full-fledged army with 569 00:59:31,744 --> 00:59:33,814 Humvees, with strikers, with tanks. 570 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,680 Robin yassin kassab: They captured all the money in the 571 00:59:38,683 --> 00:59:41,753 Banks in the north of iraq and they used this money 572 00:59:41,752 --> 00:59:45,552 And the weapons to surge back into syria. 573 00:59:45,555 --> 00:59:49,755 And they took large parts of the country. 574 00:59:50,825 --> 00:59:54,825 Christoph reuter: It was the peak of their power. 575 00:59:54,830 --> 00:59:59,030 And they used this moment to declare the caliphate. 576 01:00:36,003 --> 01:00:38,173 Sebastian junger: Only a few centuries after the birth of 577 01:00:38,172 --> 01:00:41,912 Christ, the muslim world started expanding. 578 01:00:41,909 --> 01:00:45,339 They were at the forefront of the arts, 579 01:00:45,345 --> 01:00:48,375 Of the sciences, of astronomy. 580 01:00:49,881 --> 01:00:53,251 They really were the center of knowledge in the world. 581 01:00:56,722 --> 01:00:59,822 There's a real yearning to return to those days of glory, 582 01:00:59,825 --> 01:01:01,925 Understandably. 583 01:01:01,927 --> 01:01:03,927 They have been enduring enormous oppression by 584 01:01:03,929 --> 01:01:07,799 Dictators that are often propped up by the west and 585 01:01:07,799 --> 01:01:10,269 Completely dominated by western technology 586 01:01:10,268 --> 01:01:13,098 And western culture. 587 01:01:13,104 --> 01:01:16,314 Part of what isis is doing is trying to regain the former 588 01:01:16,307 --> 01:01:22,307 Glory of the caliphate and of the worldwide dominance that 589 01:01:22,312 --> 01:01:25,752 Muslim society enjoyed many, many centuries ago. 590 01:01:33,854 --> 01:01:36,664 Charlie rose: Reports from iraq today say the isis army 591 01:01:36,657 --> 01:01:40,357 And other sunni muslim forces captured another major target. 592 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,230 It is the oil refinery in baiji that produces 593 01:01:43,229 --> 01:01:44,289 One-third of iraq fuel. 594 01:01:44,296 --> 01:01:46,956 Christine romans: Isis militants have seized a major 595 01:01:46,965 --> 01:01:51,825 Uh, the field produces 75,000 barrels of oil a day. 596 01:01:51,836 --> 01:01:53,266 It's the latest. 597 01:01:56,338 --> 01:01:58,838 Amos hochstein: From the early days of the conflict, 598 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,310 Gaining territory control over areas that have energy 599 01:02:01,309 --> 01:02:05,039 Infrastructure were of primary focus because they 600 01:02:05,046 --> 01:02:08,946 Give revenue, but they also give semblance of a state 601 01:02:08,949 --> 01:02:11,919 To be able to provide natural resources, electricity, 602 01:02:11,918 --> 01:02:13,978 Fuel, cooking oil. 603 01:02:13,986 --> 01:02:16,346 All those things is what a government does. 604 01:02:19,256 --> 01:02:22,886 They had people that were able to handle the expertise part. 605 01:02:22,893 --> 01:02:25,193 There are enough syrians in the local areas that have been 606 01:02:25,195 --> 01:02:27,925 Working on these oil fields for decades. 607 01:02:27,931 --> 01:02:30,031 Amos hochstein: And while they controlled a relatively 608 01:02:30,033 --> 01:02:32,973 Smaller portion of the overall syrian territory, 609 01:02:32,969 --> 01:02:35,099 They controlled an overwhelming percentage 610 01:02:35,104 --> 01:02:38,414 Of the oil and gas infrastructure and fields. 611 01:02:39,473 --> 01:02:41,273 George kiourktsoglou: Based on our research, 612 01:02:41,275 --> 01:02:45,405 We came up with a number of 45,000 barrels a day. 613 01:02:46,111 --> 01:02:49,811 You are looking at a ceiling of roughly two million dollars 614 01:02:49,815 --> 01:02:52,815 A day income for daesh. 615 01:03:31,355 --> 01:03:33,315 George kiourktsoglou: Daesh is a different beast. 616 01:03:33,324 --> 01:03:35,964 Daesh has a whole portfolio of financial resources 617 01:03:35,959 --> 01:03:39,159 And of course, the smuggling of crude oil is 618 01:03:39,162 --> 01:03:40,962 Just a part of this portfolio. 619 01:03:40,963 --> 01:03:44,503 This portfolio also include weapons trafficking, uh, 620 01:03:44,499 --> 01:03:47,529 Human trafficking, smuggling, and of course, antiquities. 621 01:03:53,539 --> 01:03:56,769 Doctor al-azm: Looting of antiquities in the region, 622 01:03:56,776 --> 01:03:58,506 Not just in syria, in the region as a whole, 623 01:03:58,511 --> 01:04:00,981 Is a time-honored tradition. 624 01:04:01,546 --> 01:04:03,946 In times of hardship, what do people do? 625 01:04:03,949 --> 01:04:06,479 They find alternative sources of income. 626 01:04:08,184 --> 01:04:11,824 And so now, they just start to loot at will. 627 01:04:25,530 --> 01:04:30,130 Doctor al-azm: The islamic state institutionalized the 628 01:04:30,135 --> 01:04:31,965 Process of looting. 629 01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:34,340 They made it part of the state. 630 01:04:53,356 --> 01:04:55,386 Doctor al-azm: As the looting process became more and more 631 01:04:55,392 --> 01:04:58,962 Sophisticated, they would issue permits to allow people 632 01:04:58,962 --> 01:05:01,832 To bring in heavy machinery. 633 01:05:01,996 --> 01:05:04,556 They established auctions in which to sell 634 01:05:04,566 --> 01:05:07,196 These looted items. 635 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,570 Colonel bogdanos: History be damned, get me more material, 636 01:05:11,571 --> 01:05:16,471 More canay-formed tablets, more cylinder seals. 637 01:05:16,475 --> 01:05:18,475 More anything. 638 01:05:18,477 --> 01:05:20,407 More is just more. 639 01:05:20,412 --> 01:05:22,852 More means more money. 640 01:05:22,847 --> 01:05:25,307 From syria alone, isis was making 641 01:05:25,316 --> 01:05:27,976 Tens of millions of dollars. 642 01:05:30,953 --> 01:05:34,123 While tens of millions of dollars may not mean much to 643 01:05:34,123 --> 01:05:36,023 You, how much does an ied cost? 644 01:05:36,024 --> 01:05:39,094 How much is a 7.62 mm bullets? 645 01:05:39,093 --> 01:05:41,033 How much do 50 of those bullets go for? 646 01:05:41,028 --> 01:05:42,558 How much does an ak-47 cost? 647 01:05:42,562 --> 01:05:44,132 How much is an rpg? 648 01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:46,430 How many rpgs can you buy with a million dollars? 649 01:05:46,432 --> 01:05:49,102 Doctor al-azm: Isis sees cultural heritage as 650 01:05:49,101 --> 01:05:51,271 An exploitable resource. 651 01:05:51,269 --> 01:05:53,999 And so for them, they will loot what they can sell, 652 01:05:54,005 --> 01:05:56,935 But one of the primary uses has been propaganda. 653 01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:10,890 Colonel bogdanos: Once you destroy the cultural heritage 654 01:06:10,887 --> 01:06:13,947 Of a people, you are in effect attacking and 655 01:06:13,956 --> 01:06:17,116 Destroying their cultural identity. 656 01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:19,255 Once you destroy their cultural identity, 657 01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:21,590 It's but a short step to destroy and eradicate 658 01:06:21,595 --> 01:06:24,395 The people themselves. 659 01:06:47,285 --> 01:06:50,445 ♪ 660 01:07:36,232 --> 01:07:39,072 Reporter: Tens of thousands of people from the yazidi 661 01:07:39,069 --> 01:07:42,199 Religious minority fled to this mountain ridge to escape 662 01:07:42,205 --> 01:07:45,065 Isis militants who recently captured the 663 01:07:45,074 --> 01:07:46,614 Nearby town of sinjar. 664 01:08:11,464 --> 01:08:15,204 Christoph reuter: The kurdish regional government made it a 665 01:08:15,202 --> 01:08:20,242 Huge international outcry that we have tens of thousands 666 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:25,140 Of yazidis thirsty and starved to death on this mountain. 667 01:08:26,277 --> 01:08:30,107 It was like you are touched, the biblical maze of masada. 668 01:08:30,547 --> 01:08:33,117 People on the mountain, 50 degrees, 669 01:08:33,117 --> 01:08:36,747 In hot summer without water, and all the jihadists sitting 670 01:08:36,753 --> 01:08:41,023 Around the mountains waiting to kill everybody. 671 01:08:41,023 --> 01:08:45,193 You had old conflicts, old hatreds between the yazidis 672 01:08:45,193 --> 01:08:50,663 From sinjar and the sunni's ultra-loyalists to saddam. 673 01:08:50,665 --> 01:08:54,425 They were keen to make clear that this area will never be 674 01:08:54,435 --> 01:08:57,165 Inhabited by yazidis again. 675 01:08:58,137 --> 01:09:01,807 ♪ . ♪ 676 01:09:07,179 --> 01:09:11,449 Sebastian junger: One of their slogans is "we the jihadists, 677 01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:15,350 We love death more than you in the west love life." 678 01:09:16,419 --> 01:09:21,219 A lot of people think that that means that they're psychotic. 679 01:09:21,224 --> 01:09:24,064 Only crazy people would act like that. 680 01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:27,630 But there is no way to fight people who frame their 681 01:09:27,631 --> 01:09:32,331 Struggle in those terms without also taking into 682 01:09:32,335 --> 01:09:35,595 Account some kind of social and historical justice. 683 01:13:13,487 --> 01:13:19,587 ♪ 684 01:13:55,528 --> 01:14:01,028 ♪ 685 01:14:08,874 --> 01:14:10,914 President obama: Our objective is clear. 686 01:14:10,910 --> 01:14:14,680 We will degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a 687 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,520 Comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. 688 01:14:40,836 --> 01:14:43,696 Christoph reuter: Isis had not anticipated this reaction 689 01:14:43,706 --> 01:14:47,606 Because when two months prior, they had overrun mosul. 690 01:14:47,609 --> 01:14:49,639 Obama's reaction was basically, 691 01:14:49,644 --> 01:14:52,114 "oh, we should do something about it." 692 01:14:52,113 --> 01:14:54,653 But nothing happened. 693 01:14:54,648 --> 01:14:58,778 Once the americans started to attack the islamic state, 694 01:14:58,785 --> 01:15:02,215 Isis needed to react somehow. 695 01:15:02,221 --> 01:15:04,691 So it was a message for the u.S. 696 01:15:04,922 --> 01:15:06,662 Isis militant: We are willing to lay down our blood 697 01:15:06,658 --> 01:15:07,958 On this soil. 698 01:15:07,959 --> 01:15:09,959 So try, try to come. 699 01:15:09,961 --> 01:15:13,631 I will kill every single soldier, bismillah. 700 01:15:13,896 --> 01:15:15,896 We will chop off the heads of the americans, 701 01:15:15,899 --> 01:15:18,629 Chop off the heads of the french, chop off the heads of. 702 01:15:20,736 --> 01:15:22,736 Sebastian junger: Every war is a form of dialogue between 703 01:15:22,739 --> 01:15:24,809 The warring parties and all actions are a 704 01:15:24,807 --> 01:15:27,707 Form of communication. 705 01:15:32,646 --> 01:15:36,746 When president obama decided to bomb isis forces, 706 01:15:36,751 --> 01:15:39,651 He was communicating to isis that we were not gonna stand 707 01:15:39,653 --> 01:15:42,823 By and let anything happen. 708 01:15:43,621 --> 01:15:46,691 And isis needed to be communicating to the west that 709 01:15:46,691 --> 01:15:48,821 They could not be messed with. 710 01:15:48,826 --> 01:15:50,926 Isis member: Today, your military air force is 711 01:15:50,928 --> 01:15:52,788 Attacking us daily in iraq. 712 01:15:52,796 --> 01:15:56,626 So any attempts by you, obama, to deny the muslims their 713 01:15:56,633 --> 01:15:59,803 Rights of living in safety under the islamic caliphate 714 01:15:59,802 --> 01:16:02,902 Will result in the bloodshed of your people. 715 01:16:06,273 --> 01:16:09,813 Sebastian junger: As a result, isis cut off james foley's head. 716 01:16:10,776 --> 01:16:13,836 That didn't stop the bombing, so they kept cutting off heads 717 01:16:13,846 --> 01:16:15,676 And we kept bombing. 718 01:16:15,946 --> 01:16:18,646 Isis member: I'm back, obama, because of your arrogant 719 01:16:18,649 --> 01:16:20,719 Foreign policy towards the islamic state. 720 01:16:20,717 --> 01:16:24,547 You, obama, have yet again, for your actions, 721 01:16:24,554 --> 01:16:27,694 Killed yet another american citizen. 722 01:16:27,955 --> 01:16:29,855 David cameron: We will stick to the very clear 723 01:16:29,857 --> 01:16:31,557 Strategy that we have. 724 01:16:31,558 --> 01:16:33,788 To help make sure the kurds get the arms they need 725 01:16:33,793 --> 01:16:37,763 To fight off, uh, these brutal, uh, extremist militants. 726 01:16:38,629 --> 01:16:41,559 Isis member: This british man has to pay the price for your 727 01:16:41,566 --> 01:16:43,966 Promise, cameron, to arm the peshmerga against 728 01:16:43,968 --> 01:16:45,668 The islamic state. 729 01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:48,639 Your evil alliance with america will only accelerate 730 01:16:48,638 --> 01:16:50,738 Your destruction. 731 01:19:09,106 --> 01:19:11,336 Peter bergen: The long-term prognosis of isis is not great 732 01:19:11,342 --> 01:19:13,182 Because they made a world of enemies. 733 01:19:13,177 --> 01:19:16,037 That is not a winning strategy. 734 01:19:16,046 --> 01:19:19,246 Napoleon was the greatest general of the modern era but 735 01:19:19,249 --> 01:19:23,719 So everybody, then, coalesced to get rid of him. 736 01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,090 Isis is making the same mistake. 737 01:19:35,096 --> 01:19:37,096 Peter bergen: They're already suffering the consequences. 738 01:19:37,099 --> 01:19:39,899 They keep losing territory. 739 01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:43,200 Basically the whole world is ganged up against them. 740 01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:24,439 Dennis ross: Putin didn't go into syria to fight isis. 741 01:20:24,442 --> 01:20:26,442 If that was the case, he would've fought isis. 742 01:20:26,444 --> 01:20:29,014 80% of the bombing was on non-isis targets. 743 01:20:38,519 --> 01:20:41,349 Senator mccain: I see what looks like the future now and 744 01:20:41,356 --> 01:20:45,186 That is a very influential russia with a bashar assad 745 01:20:45,193 --> 01:20:48,963 That is able to at least control the areas of syria 746 01:20:48,963 --> 01:20:51,803 That are of most importance to him. 747 01:20:51,799 --> 01:20:54,199 Robin yassin kassab: The assad regime and lately russia, too, 748 01:20:54,201 --> 01:20:57,001 Have been bombing not just militia formations on the 749 01:20:57,003 --> 01:21:01,813 Ground, they've been bombing bakeries, schools, hospitals. 750 01:21:16,921 --> 01:21:19,861 Because the people can't defend themselves from this 751 01:21:19,858 --> 01:21:23,928 Aerial bombardment, it's absolute hell on earth. 752 01:21:24,928 --> 01:21:28,558 Assad wants those in the middle to be eliminated so the 753 01:21:28,565 --> 01:21:31,465 Choice is either him or isis. 754 01:24:26,602 --> 01:24:28,202 Peter bergen: The airstrikes are killing about a thousand 755 01:24:28,204 --> 01:24:33,474 Isis members every month, and ratcheting down the oil, 756 01:24:33,475 --> 01:24:35,635 And getting rid of some of their money. 757 01:24:35,643 --> 01:24:37,683 That is really going to impact them. 758 01:24:37,678 --> 01:24:39,678 If you control several million people and you're 759 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,010 Taxing them for pretty much everything they do. 760 01:24:42,015 --> 01:24:43,305 That's all the money. 761 01:24:43,316 --> 01:24:45,316 So every time they lose a big city which is 762 01:24:45,318 --> 01:24:49,188 That's several hundred thousand people they can't tax. 763 01:29:02,502 --> 01:29:05,672 Alex jordanov: This new form of terrorism was introduced by 764 01:29:05,672 --> 01:29:09,542 Al-qaeda's ideologue abu musab al-suri. 765 01:29:09,974 --> 01:29:14,744 In his writings where he calls for a form of low cost terror, 766 01:29:14,746 --> 01:29:18,306 Many terror acts all over the place conducted by the people 767 01:29:18,316 --> 01:29:19,376 That actually live there. 768 01:29:30,893 --> 01:29:32,533 Reporter: San bernardino, california 769 01:29:32,528 --> 01:29:33,928 Mass casualty situation. 770 01:29:33,929 --> 01:29:35,599 A terror attack in the french city of nice. 771 01:29:35,597 --> 01:29:36,797 At least 80 people. 772 01:29:36,798 --> 01:29:39,368 The 17-year-old used an axe and knife 773 01:29:39,367 --> 01:29:44,437 A lone gunman called 911 to pledge allegiance to isis. 774 01:29:46,038 --> 01:29:47,738 Woman: Oh my god. 775 01:30:11,762 --> 01:30:13,562 General flynn: This is what terrorists do. 776 01:30:13,564 --> 01:30:15,904 They instill fear in societies. 777 01:30:15,899 --> 01:30:18,499 If you instill fear in a society, 778 01:30:18,501 --> 01:30:19,571 It comes at a big cost. 779 01:30:19,568 --> 01:30:25,708 With some of the, you know, some of the comments that are 780 01:30:25,707 --> 01:30:28,567 Being made about various, 781 01:30:28,576 --> 01:30:31,506 Parts of our society and what to do about them. 782 01:30:31,512 --> 01:30:34,582 You know, the whole issue of immigration is a big, 783 01:30:34,581 --> 01:30:37,451 Big deal, uh, and that's, 784 01:30:37,450 --> 01:30:40,650 That's playing out terribly in europe. 785 01:31:53,690 --> 01:31:55,820 Teun voeten: The summer of 2015, 786 01:31:55,826 --> 01:31:57,986 Suddenly hundreds of thousands of people came, 787 01:31:57,994 --> 01:32:01,004 Syrian refugees from turkey. 788 01:32:00,997 --> 01:32:04,567 There are a lot of extremely decent, sophisticated, uh, 789 01:32:04,567 --> 01:32:07,167 People among the immigrants. 790 01:32:07,169 --> 01:32:09,539 But you have also small time criminals 791 01:32:09,538 --> 01:32:11,198 And infiltrators from isis. 792 01:32:13,540 --> 01:32:15,940 A lot of people feel overwhelmed by what they 793 01:32:15,943 --> 01:32:18,443 Perceive as an invasion of muslims threatening 794 01:32:18,445 --> 01:32:21,205 Our way of life. 795 01:32:21,846 --> 01:32:24,446 The muslim people in europe it's only around 796 01:32:24,449 --> 01:32:28,449 5% but in certain cities, for instance in brussels, 797 01:32:28,453 --> 01:32:29,693 One generation from now, 798 01:32:29,687 --> 01:32:33,457 The muslim community will be the majority. 799 01:32:35,724 --> 01:32:38,864 This has caused an enormous political backlash 800 01:32:38,861 --> 01:32:42,061 And resurgence of right-wing movements. 801 01:32:44,198 --> 01:32:46,598 General flynn: The resources that are gonna be required to 802 01:32:46,601 --> 01:32:49,501 Correct some of these problems that we have, refugees, 803 01:32:49,503 --> 01:32:51,573 Displaced people around the world, is, 804 01:32:51,571 --> 01:32:53,771 Just the numbers are staggering. 805 01:32:53,773 --> 01:32:57,043 We have to get back in there, stabilize that area to the 806 01:32:57,042 --> 01:32:59,782 Point where you can then tell all these people who would 807 01:32:59,778 --> 01:33:01,738 Rather live in their own homes, 808 01:33:01,746 --> 01:33:03,946 You can tell them and they'll all come back. 809 01:33:03,948 --> 01:33:08,018 Otherwise, the likelihood of a far greater conflict grows 810 01:33:08,018 --> 01:33:10,688 Higher and higher every day. 811 01:35:22,184 --> 01:35:24,194 Sebastian junger: Any reasonable person would flee 812 01:35:24,187 --> 01:35:27,917 The kind of fighting that we've seen in syria. 813 01:35:29,823 --> 01:35:31,963 They'd happily risk their lives to be 814 01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:33,760 Smuggled across the border. 815 01:35:33,761 --> 01:35:35,191 They'd collect by the millions in neighboring 816 01:35:35,195 --> 01:35:40,725 Countries even living in squalid refugee camps. 817 01:35:40,733 --> 01:35:42,903 Eventually, they'd make their way to the west to look 818 01:35:42,901 --> 01:35:45,501 For a better life for their children. 819 01:35:46,169 --> 01:35:49,239 People say "look, it's not our problem." 820 01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:51,939 Okay, it's not your problem but that doesn't mean 821 01:35:51,941 --> 01:35:54,941 You won't be affected by it. 822 01:36:01,983 --> 01:36:03,853 You can say that you don't actually care about human 823 01:36:03,852 --> 01:36:07,322 Suffering but the truth is that all violence and misery 824 01:36:07,322 --> 01:36:10,422 Eventually affect the entire world. 825 01:36:12,325 --> 01:36:15,385 In that sense, there is no escaping the fact that we are 826 01:36:15,395 --> 01:36:18,925 All part of the human race. 827 01:36:19,196 --> 01:36:21,856 There is no escaping the fact that borders become 828 01:36:21,866 --> 01:36:24,896 Irrelevant once people start dying and societies 829 01:36:24,902 --> 01:36:29,942 Begin to collapse. 830 01:38:15,142 --> 01:38:20,382 ♪ ♪ 65236

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