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Tonight is part three of the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion.

Drew, are you or are you not Michael Jordan's cousin? In my head, absolutely.

In your head?

I said you could have ruined my engagement. You would have played a

would have ruined my engagement. I kissed Ken in the club. You kissed Ken

club. Didn't they say they both kissed Katie?

Charles, do you remember meeting Phaedra? No.

I've been in several rooms with him. That's not meeting me, though.

You had mentioned that you was trying to holler at her too.

Wow. I never.

Charles, when did you date our friend Sheree?

Okay, Andy.

What? Everybody want to know about me. What about Charles? I'm the only husband

here. Where y 'all husbands at?

Part three of the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion starts now.

Shamia, I saw a person did a birthday post for you. Yeah, that was really

And she continued her smear campaign right after that. I did not.

Why are you fighting with me? Why are you fighting with me?

Because you're lying.

And you don't think you've been lying too? About what? What have I lied about?

You posted about my mom saying she did something egregious to your mom. She

absolutely did. First of all, why are you even rushing off my mom? What did

do? Girl, I've never. And any time people ask me about your mom, I say,

not my business. What happened?

My mom and her mom, they were best friends. They were both in the child

industry, and they both, you know, gave tips to each other back and forth. My

mom, now her location was going under foreclosure, and her mom went behind my

mom's back, and she bought it as soon as it went on foreclosure. That is

definitely true. Stop.

This is how my mom found out that her mom bought her best friend's business,

when we drove past it. And they were taking down my mom's sign, putting up

mother's sign.

They weren't talking for years prior to my mom buying that business. That's

absolutely not true.

You're lying right now. That is not true. They were not talking for some

stuff that happened that I don't want to speak on.

Another great lie. That's not true.

Why did they initially? I don't want to speak on it because then it's really

going to go loose. Okay. That mom stuff is deep -rooted. Okay, hold on. It did

not just start with a daycare purchase. I understand.

I'm not going to even ask about it. No, no, no. I think the mom thing. Okay. It

shouldn't even come up. Hold on. Hold on. It's not good. There's a few things

happening here.

There is chatter that happened behind each other's back.

Not each other's. Okay. Not each other's for sure because she doesn't stop

behind your back. I didn't stop behind your back. With Britt. Okay, hold on.

Hold on. She was just coming to tell me what you said.

Just so you know, Shamia, Britt was the one that said that you were showing text

messages. He showed me text messages between the two of you guys that said

were dealing with your divorce and your attorney said this was the best time

where you need to deal with yourself.

In that moment, Portia kind of like let it go.

Y 'all stuff goes way back before the show. We have a beautiful relationship

prior to this show. Yes. Once we started filming, she took it to the left. OK. I

took it to the left. It was all me. Hold on.

Is there anything that happened during the season that you can apologize for or

take ownership for right now? OK, let's hear it. I apologize. I do own talking

about my friendship problems with Portia to these ladies.

Why? Because I wish I had a third party there. I wish I had somebody on my side.

Y 'all said she feels the friendship was lopsided, but these are things that y

'all were feeling.

And that's what I said.

No, but when y 'all said it, no, but when it was taken to Portia, it was

like, this is how I feel.

When we went to lunch, there was never a question asked to you by me or Angela

about the nature of your relationship with Portia. It almost felt like you

needed to get this out.

Like, you found a safe space to share. Apparently I didn't. Well, I never took

it back. I said something.

So my point is that you had a pinky swear because you wanted to divulge

and it was something heavy on you. So the pinky swear represented, like,

don't repeat this. Okay, all right.

It almost sounds to me like you have had a harder time with what's happened

after the show.

Yes, there's a friendship group that we have, a private friendship group.

Right? Yeah. There are two ladies from that friendship group. She told them

I didn't want her to be a peach holder, that I didn't congratulate her.

So our private friends is echoing the same thing that you said here.

These ladies have come to me and told me that you did not want me on the show,

that you wanted me as a friend to the show. So I'm going to say it's not true.

Now you are lying.

Andy, have I always wanted Shamia to be on the show as a housewife? Yes. Yes. So

moving on from that, now I'm watching live interviews.

Someone asked, Where does our friendship stand?

You say, well, now that I have a peach, it's different. Well, why?

It is. I've never talked about you, Shamia. And I'm watching interviews of

saying, I didn't want you on the show. You sang the song of I was trying to

sabotage your marriage or your engagement or whatever.

Girl, are you serious? serious right now? Y 'all had that conversation

saying that I was screwing Candy and Ty. I didn't do that to myself.

But nobody was sabotaging your marriage. I said you could have ruined my

engagement. You would have played a part in sabotaging your own engagement at

that time.

Because this is the thing.

That happened in 2016.

And she's talking about it in interviews now. No, no, no.

You just didn't bring this shit up. You don't know all this stuff about

interviews. Hold on. Hold on.

I do just as many press as you do, okay? And possibly more because I've been on

the show a little bit more. Right?

And that wasn't a dick, so no, this means a mm. It's kind of a dick a little

bit. It was a dick, but OK, go ahead. What I'm saying is I've been asked the

exact same questions that you were being asked, and I have never disparaged our

relationship. I thought we had a beautiful friendship.

I thought we had a great friendship too, but then I found out that you didn't

come to the wedding in Kenya because we were beefing. All right.

Kelly, you and Shamia have become very close. I know that.

What's your reaction to it?

Me and Shamia have built a beautiful bond, a beautiful friendship with each

other. And I always tell her, I really hope and pray that her and Portia can

just figure this all out. I just want you to tell her how you really feel.

is your moment to tell her. This is not her moment. You know what her moment

was? It is her moment. Let her have her moment. You know what her moment was?

It's her moment. When I called her and I talked to her about it. It's her

moment. Let her have her moment. It's a beat up on. Oh, you know what? This is

so, girl. Let her have a moment. Continue. When we sat one -on -one, I

we had a clean slate and we were moving forward in the right direction. Seemed

like it.

Then I noticed she was distancing herself from me, even down around

funeral time.

I'm reaching out. I'm like, hey, can we link up? Girl, I'm grieving.

I didn't go. I understand.

And I'm not trying to discredit that. All I'm trying to say is I continue to

to reach out to hang out and hook up. See, even that, like, it's that kind of

stuff that... Because you're just using things against me. Can you ever phrase a

sentence without trying to make me look bad? She always feels like I'm using

stuff against her when really I'm just trying to express myself.

Okay. I'm not... I'm not here to try to hurt Portia, right?

I'm not here to, like she said, try to sabotage her. Too late. This is so

difficult to even just have a conversation. OK.

I wouldn't have even known that there was any beef unless Cynthia didn't tell

me. I told Portia, like, what Britt had done.

After that, I saw them hanging out, them posting. I'm like, all right, cool.

She's made her decision.

A decision that had nothing to do with her. It made me feel like. What you did

was what you did. All right. You didn't go be friends with Kelly because we're

not friends. You're friends with Kelly because you like Kelly.

I think the friendship's a little different. Well, I think it's odd for

go sit after you and Britt had the conversation about me. I think your

friendship with Britt is very calculated.

Britt's not your friend. Britt could care less about what you got going on.

on, hold on, hold on.

Cynthia, where can these two go?

The love is there, but it just feels like the healing hasn't happened. And

when you come on a platform like this, everything is magnified. And if that

foundation is not solid, you guys are going to crack. It just is what it is.

Take baby steps to walk back toward each other. Please don't throw this

friendship away. Is there something that you need to hear from each other that

would help either of you?

No. This year was the most difficult year ever.

It really was.

I'm literally at the bottom.

Depleted. Okay? So at this space and time in my life, I want to be exactly

I feel comfortable.

And I do not feel comfortable within my friendship with Shamia, as I'm sure she

doesn't feel comfortable with me either. I am only human, and I can only do so

much. And I don't have anything else to offer to this right now. All right.

That's real. Okay, that's real.

How do you take that?

So I think that's the difference between the two of us because even at times

where I didn't have the bandwidth to deal with it because I had my own shit

happening, I would find the bandwidth to deal with it because I had that type of

love for Portia.

So much so to where people call me her lap dog. Okay. So it hurts me that she

thinks I came on the show to sabotage her.

Ultimately, I just want peace for both of us, you know?

You take that?

Oh, yes.

Yay. All right.

OK.

Shamia, I think, you know, one of the lessons of this season and tonight is

when you feel a certain way, I think for your own benefit, you have to figure

out a way to vocalize it. Yeah. Don't laugh at all. If you're hurt, it's OK to

be hurt. Because it's diverting in a million different ways, but it still

exists. And for your friendships.

With Portia and everybody else, it's only going to suit you to say, you

pissed me off when you did that. I'm hurt.

So you can move forward. And it's the backbone of an honest relationship, you

know? I own that. I accept that.

And I'm going to work on that. I think that naturally, just when I got a lot

happening in my life, I just don't have it in me, right? So I choose to just

move past it.

I'm going to sweep it under the rug.

And it's OK.

it's coping right because it's like i don't have it to deal with it now i know

but you see how that plays out yeah coming up next

to me it became a little weird just because you had mentioned that you were

trying to highlight her too wow you are not gonna come on here and start your

line

Hey, Dylan, how you think today's gonna be?

Man, you know when the girls beefing, man, you gotta stay out of it. You know,

you gotta let women handle their own business.

But I'm here to support baby mama and Drew.

That's family, man. We gonna keep it positive and we gonna keep it moving.

We are back with the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion.

Drew, this season we watched you battle with a divorce that seems to have no end

in sight and an ex -husband that is banished in the basement.

Will you be able to sing your way out of this sad song?

Let's watch.

I consider it the lower level penthouse.

Ralph being banished in the basement, I was expecting him to take that

opportunity to move out and do the things that really excite him, which is

out in the streets.

I am officially going to sign my recording deal.

This is a time to celebrate all of the hard work.

Allegedly, you told Portia that...

I wanted to get with you in exchange for free studio time.

I don't know why you would listen to that. You know, we do real business. We

don't talk about allegedly.

This is all fabricated lies yet again.

Serious cheater taking money out of your account.

Tracking me. Tracking you. All that's private. But when the case gets

it's out.

The judge's ruling was to unseal our divorce case.

He still gets the basement.

Is this a joke?

I don't have to leave.

Idiot. You're a dumbass. I want you to know that.

The court didn't take the kids into consideration.

They're not even listening to me anymore.

OK, OK. I'm sorry. I need to know that my kids are not the same.

So, Drew, since that conversation with your mom about your kids, have you seen

any improvement in their behavior?

Well, since then, the kids are all in therapy.

I took that step to. Good. Yeah. And I can say that it's helping. Yeah. As a

mom, all you want is the best for your kids. Yeah. And I started to even tell

myself, like, this is normal. You know what I mean? There's no dysfunction

So for my mom to come in and be an outsider looking in, it was like very

apparent for her. Yeah.

Ralph tweeted that your mom needed to watch her mouth because after your dad's

death, she spent all his money and Ralph had to bail her out. These men, now

they get disrespectful and a divorce.

That was a new low.

My father was a prominent pediatrician in the city of Chicago.

You're now coming against his legacy.

My mom had an anxiety attack.

my marital issues start to affect my mom. Yeah, a whole new storm. There was

recent clip of you and Ralph cooking together. Mm -hmm.

Oh, yeah. That went viral. You two seemed really happy.

That video was an effort of us trying to co -parent.

But the caption he wrote was alluding to like, oh, she called me daddy in the

kitchen off camera, which never happened.

So he took that moment that could have been positive for us to move into this

new normal of co -parenting, and he used it to make it appear to be something

that it just, it wasn't. I honestly thought it was.

Cute to see you guys just being happy, not thinking, oh, you know, they should

get back together. But it just was nice to see you guys having fun together.

Yeah. And living in a house with a man who cooked, girl, get your food. You

your steaks were pretty good. I've always loved the meat, not the sausage

but I love the ribeye. And it was good.

At some point, he's going to come upstairs.

And we know divorcing can be long, hard, and dry.

So at some point, you're going to be, he might come up the stairs after.

Or she may go downstairs.

She has cameras in the basement first and foremost.

Oh. That'd make it better.

Right.

Lonnie from Philadelphia said, Drew, the judge has given you and Ralph the

weirdest court orders from having Ralph live in the basement to avoid telling

the kids you're divorcing.

What the hell is that about?

It's in the order. It's a public record. Y 'all can go read it. It's normal, by

the way. As soon as you file for divorce, everything's going to stay.

I lived upstairs with my ex for months.

But you recently said he had a woman down there. With you there?

When I'm there, when I'm not there, because you've seen someone on the

the basement, a woman?

You can get the manifesto. It's a gated community?

Yeah, gated community.

So everyone that comes through, you have to give your ID, and we get an alert on

the portal.

So you saw the picture in the driver's license? I saw the name, and I looked

up on Instagram.

What? And when I went to lunch at Aniyah's school, she was there.

What? And so, girl, the woman,

long story short, was mean mugging me and approached me. Like, what's your

Uh -uh.

Ma 'am.

Coming up next.

I met you at Nick's wedding. I was there. Okay, one second.

That does not mean me.

We are back with the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion.

Tredarius from Mansfield, Texas said, why don't any of the women in this group

show any compassion for Drew during her divorce? None of the women have checked

on her except for Angela.

But everyone is quick to show compassion towards Portia. I was really actually

hoping that you and I could have hit it off a little bit more. I think towards

the end, it was kind of more of a connection.

Don't give me that face.

No, you didn't. No, you didn't. I didn't really feel that. Angela, stay out of

it. This is a divorced woman conversation. I want no parts. I want no

I mean, it sounds good, and I appreciate you saying that today, but I feel like,

you know, you really didn't give us a chance to get to know each other. You

just, like, throwing these things out and being real loud and feisty to me,

I'm like, girl, you don't even know me, and throwing out the liar narrative. I

didn't hear anything.

Well, you said the liar, but it felt like you were trying for a moment.

I wasn't trying for a moment. I never need a moment.

Let's clear the air on why I considered you a liar.

When you came to my Balmain event and we were at the bank, you said you

purchased something.

You did not purchase anything.

And I did. You did not. I purchased multiple things, not at the event. They

not have his size.

So you did not. So I talked to the shopper. He found the size. So we were

texting. So the thing went through later.

Thank you.

And I'm not trying to speak poorly, but I will say the thing of the event was if

you purchase at the event, some of the proceeds go to osteogenesis imperfecta.

Correct. Even Portia spent her attorney money out there.

I purchased it and I showed you. Had you had a real conversation and said, well,

it didn't go a part of the foundation, I could have made sure that it did or

made a donation to your foundation. But that's what I was saying, Drew.

Okay, it sounds like you're both right.

She didn't purchase it at your event.

Okay, okay.

All right.

Okay, Drew, are you or are you not Michael Jordan's cousin?

Okay.

In my head, absolutely.

In your head? And y 'all got to laugh a little more because my last name is Drew

Jordan.

It's a joke, guys.

Lana from D .C. said, Shamia, why was it okay for you to twist Drew's words

regarding Pilar?

But Angela was held to a higher standard when she relayed her conversation with

Shamia back to Portia. These royalties and the way this publishing is set up,

that's going to pay for PJ's whole college.

Now I know PJ's college has already been paid for.

How did you take it, how Shamia related back versus how you saw it on TV?

It was...

cringy, but it didn't piss me off. But the way I had been told you said it, it

did piss me off originally.

And it was going to draw a bigger wedge between us, honestly. I said mind my

business and keep my mouth closed. Yeah, you should, because what actually

happened was you asked me the question, and you said it, and you said it, and

you said it. Oh, you should go fighting for her life, honey, in this friendship.

Fighting for her life. If y 'all cool with it, I'm cool with it. I'm going to

mind my business. And you should.

I will. I mean, moving forward is probably a good idea.

Okay. Elizabeth from Baltimore, Maryland said, Drew, you seemed upset that

Shamia and Portia went out to eat with Ralph. Is that hypocritical when Portia

felt it was wrong for you to shoot with Dennis?

You sat there and kiki with someone who is publicly humiliating me, who you have

seen his behavior. Portia, I came to your birthday party when we filmed your

spinoff.

And you know, because I cried to you about how Ralph left me. I thought it

fake, Drew.

You're not even using your brain because I called you and I talked to you,

though. I can't give up with the lies with you and him.

There's no lies, honey.

A marriage is not black and white.

When it comes to some of the drama you promote.

Victoria from Brooklyn said, Shamia, why did you set up Portia to meet with

Ralph to get back at Drew? You don't like her calling you a lapdog.

But that was lapdog behavior.

It was.

I mean, she done called me lapdog the whole season. So it's like, OK, well,

me act like one. I mean, initially, it was. Let that go. I mean, no, I'm not,

because she keeps saying it. And honestly, for me, I just feel like I'm

loyal friend like you were to her.

No, but that don't, I'm too big for anybody now. I think we're all good.

I think we're all good. I think we're all good.

I think we're all good.

It's been good. It's been good over there.

She said I'm too big to spit on anybody. Okay.

Twitter said, Drew, in a recent interview, you admitted to sending

to Ty.

Her ex also said you both spoke for an average of 3 ,000 minutes a month.

Is this the main reason you're getting a divorce?

We have remained to say that we're friends.

But first of all, I think if you do the math, 3 ,000 minutes or whatever is not

really that much time.

3 ,000 minutes a month? I'm married.

We've been talking about this for 3 ,000 minutes.

Did we see a receipt on that?

Like, people can throw out things.

Does it always make it true? That's about 10 minutes a day. I would be in a

relationship if I was on the phone with somebody that long.

OK. So who exactly is Black, and are you dating him?

He is a friend, like I said before.

He owns the number one hookah company in the world.

And that's my friend.

What would be the issue if they were dating?

At the end of the day, do your thing. You two were FaceTiming a lot backstage,

right? We were. And actually, Andy, can I present everybody with?

OK.

You got us a hookah, girl. You got us a free hookah for free.

OK, look.

Take one. So, I mean, this makes it seem like you're dating if you're promoting

this product. This is my friend. He has a lot of friends who promote his

business. It's no nicotine, no tobacco.

Go ahead. Go ahead.

Just do it.

OK.

Heather from Cambridge, Mass said, Drew, if you were dating someone, why didn't

you just come clean in order to shut down the rumors about you wanting the

dog man?

Oh, God.

Dennis is not my type. I mean, if you look at, you know, Ralph and you see his

physique. What's that?

I mean, how are you going to come for my friend now? Why are you catching

strays? Why are you catching strays?

If you were dating someone, would you bring them on the show?

Absolutely. When I have a boyfriend, I will be so happy to share.

I will be, no, no, no.

Or you, because I heard you know.

Oh, yeah.

You and Ty, girl. If I find me and Ty, she might be sitting right behind me.

2 .0 Indians.

All right.

We're going to leave it there.

She knows all about it. We're going to take a break so we can all sit on

Angela's lap.

I have receipts about Portia being a buckhead on a date.

What? Who African, girl?

It was some African.

Y 'all was in Buckhead. Oh, it's probably true. Yeah, I know, girl. I

girl. I like my African. I know, girl. You love your African.

Coming up next, did you tell Portia that Drew wanted to sleep with you?

Absolutely not.

So what was the text then? You said, I'm trying to get money. I'm not trying to.

Yeah. But that, for the record, was not from me.

Welcome back to the Real Housewives of Atlanta season 16 reunion.

Joining us are the men.

Hey, guys.

Dennis, you and Portia are not matching tonight.

Yeah, why? I sent you a picture of what I was wearing.

I did my best.

Okay. Ralph, you have your shirt on tonight?

Today. Okay.

All right.

We invited Gerald tonight. Where is Gerald? He's at home with his kids.

But he sent some beautiful yellow roses.

To you? Yes. Not to nobody else in here. Okay.

You couldn't get a sitter?

That he's just not, you know, it's not his thing, you know?

Well, I got to tell you something. In all my years doing The Housewives, never

thought I'd see the enforcer here, Charles Oakley. Enforcer!

Sometimes you need an enforcer, but I'm here to support my wife. She's going to

kill it.

And I'm going to kill it.

Well, he'll kill you.

OK, come on.

Charles.

You can still win the group.

She ain't got a chance with me.

Andy!

Let me start with Dennis here. Dennis, clear this up. Did you talk to Portia

about working with Drew?

We had a small conversation, but, you know, I talked to Ralph first because

that's my brother, so I would assume that Drew would handle the woman's side.

Are you saying you asked me?

Or no?

We talked about working together.

You told me that.

We didn't have an in -depth conversation because...

I felt like it was Drew's place to clear that part, you know, considering we're

all friends.

But you told me you talked to Portia because I was expressing to you that I

trying to call Portia, have the conversation. You said, we had a

She's good.

He didn't.

I didn't fully confront him about you guys doing anything until I found out

about the filming.

Can you acknowledge that I told you that I had something that I wanted to talk

to you about? But just say what you want to talk about. Just say, hey, I know

we're going into the season. I'm going to film within it. That's an easy take.

Can you acknowledge that I made the attempts and you were aware? That's what

asking you. Your attempts to me was a kiki about the new girls.

No. You asked me did I know anything about the new girls, and I said...

No, you need to call me because I've been telling you I need to talk to you

about this. We covered this a little bit.

You need to acknowledge that.

And Dennis told me that he talked to you. So I don't know what Dennis is on,

what type of time. That she was trying to reach out to you. Yes, that's the

point. That she was trying to reach out to you. And you said that. That happens

with anybody.

You also said that. Not you trying to bait me.

But you said that. And I apologize for that in Grenada, but I'm talking about

the attempts that were made. But I'm asking you to take accountability for

attempts that I made and you just...

weren't it's not gonna happen moving on moving on moving on

Dennis when confronted about mentioning that drew wanted to sleep with you in

exchange for music you kind of dodged owning up saying that did you tell

that drew wanted to sleep with you absolutely not So what was the text

text read as, I'm trying to get some money.

That's what the text was. I'm trying to get money. I'm not trying to F.

That's what the text said verbatim. He says, I told Drew I wouldn't F her and

run me my money. Wait a minute. Let me see. Wait a minute. Yeah, I missed that

little part.

But that, for the record, was not. So he's denying it now. OK.

Like, Rafa's my friend in real life. So to even insinuate.

A relationship outside of music is ridiculous.

So what were you responding to when you said, I don't want no peace? I don't

even know if the text said that exactly. Oh, it did.

I saw the text message. OK. What did it say?

Just exactly what Portia said.

I didn't know exactly what the relationship was.

But to me, it became a little weird just because, you know, Drew had mentioned

that she was trying to holler at her, too.

I never.

You are not going to come on here and start your lying. No, no, no, no. I am

going to. I'm not going to lie about anything. Dennis has never been

inappropriate. I never said that to you. You never said that. So for you to say

that out your lying face right now. I don't lie.

That's one thing I'm not doing. No, no. Like, try to do the right thing. You

come here. You got dressed up and you're all white. You get to Beijing.

You know, you want to come for the cameras. And every time you come here,

the same thing. You lie.

And then you play this victim. It's not cute, bro.

I don't understand why so much energy, though. Oh, you're going to get all this

smoke. That's what you came here for. I love it. Come on. OK.

Dennis, do you see yourself getting back together with Portia?

I mean, you know, I love Portia. And she backed on the market, so you never

know.

What's your reaction to Portia and Shamia's relationship over the last

You know, we family for real.

Me and Gerald are really good friends. So, you know, it's sad to see. But I've

been around also long enough to stay out of women's business because tomorrow

they could be cool. So that's what I'm hoping for.

It's been said that you took Britt out on a date. You bought her a chain.

He came on the date, brought me a diamond necklace as a gift.

And you slid into Kelly's DMs. Dennis was in my DMs. What? Oh.

I mean, I heard what Kelly said, but she ain't tell the rest of the half, but

it's all good. Well, what's the rest of the half?

I mean, bread was a long time ago, you know, before I even run around Portia.

What's the rest of the half? I'm still waiting for the other part. I mean, I'm

gentleman. It's all good.

Stop it, Dennis.

Let's be very clear. We never been out or done anything or talked on the phone.

You might have called once or twice.

Okay, well, you just said we never talked on the phone. I said, I mean,

twice. You know, he had to call like, hey, you.

You outside.

You want to get inside.

Finish trying to get inside.

I've been knowing Kelly for a long time. More about business, though. Let's be

very clear. Business.

When I'm saying conversations like that, it's more of that.

It's nothing in regards to that. OK.

Ralph, Drew revealed that she found out about you bringing a woman into the

basement. It's not even true.

It's not true? It's not true at all. She told me that she came to the house.

Anybody that comes into the gate, that doesn't mean that they came inside of my

house. So she was just visiting somebody in the neighborhood?

No, no, no. She came to the house. To your house? No, no, no, no, no, no. But

she didn't come inside.

She was outside with Kelly?

No, no, no, because... No, it wasn't that. She was working on a fitness

so it was all about just fitness content. It was fitness content?

When these cameras are off, you're like, you love me. You know what I'm saying?

So you got this on -camera, off -camera thing, and that is really confusing to

me. At the end of the day, man, I love you. I'm not here to be your enemy.

I just want to make sure we raise our beautiful kids. We created something

amazing together.

And I love you for that.

Aw. Yeah.

Because we was mad at you, Ralph, before you came out.

We saw you feeding Drew's steak.

Yeah, that's who we are when there's no camera.

Those are great words. So I appreciate that. I would love to see those actions

to back up those words, you know. But the energy that I have is because of the

press tour that you've been on, tweeting the things about my mom and my dad.

But you hugged me after that. And without an apology. You apologized to

what you said about her mom?

No.

Why not?

I was there when they were in a place where they lost everything, and I was

there to pick up the pieces.

But if you go through a situation like a divorce, I think there should be

something to where it's like, hey, you know what?

I'm going to just stay out of this one.

You know, I'm praying for both of you guys because I love both of you. So you

didn't apologize to the mom?

Oh, but I will, you know, because it really wasn't. I think it's more of a

conversation. I think it really is a conversation that I probably would love

have with your mother just because I believe that, you know, there is a lot

there. I mean, I'm not going to say that going through a divorce, I feel like

everyone always focuses on the woman, of course, naturally. It's all about the

woman. But men go through things as well, you know. Men have their different

points where they, struggle.

And sometimes they actually say things that are not nice, you know? And so

therefore, I apologize about that particular aspect of it. But I do

there's more of a conversation that could be had just because I do believe

we are bigger than that. I think we've had more of an established relationship.

I looked at our text messages from way back in the day, you know? And there was

so much love there. So to see that just diminish.

It was kind of sad to me and it was hurtful. If I can say from Dennis and

relationship and, you know, just as small advice, and I'm sure you could

this.

We weren't married, but we were engaged, and so our families were very

intertwined. And at the end of the day, people do choose sides, you know what

I'm saying? And mothers can say things that they probably shouldn't say in the

moment, protecting their child, because they see their child hurt, they may not

be concerned about the other one.

So at the end of the day, apology is great, but Dennis had to do the work and

have a conversation with my mom. And I had to do the work and have a

conversation with his mom.

And now, because we have a child and you guys have kids, That's what has to

happen in order to continue that village for the kids.

So even though it's hard and pride and like hurt and like being feeling like

you're alone and misunderstood and like, what about my side?

We really have to set that aside to put those kids first. So when you make that

call, just keep your kids in mind first. Just keep your kids in mind. And then

just temper what you say before you say it. And I had to do it. Dennis had to do

it. We have worked very hard at this co -parenting relationship.

That's why we're both very protective of it. But that's just a bit of advice

from your friends.

Do you think that Ralph should apologize to her mom?

I think that that's absolutely needed. Our mothers, when we are going through a

divorce, oh, my God.

Oh, my God. We as women, you guys don't know, a divorce, a breakup, we would not

survive. Without our mothers. We wouldn't. So I really, you know, just

respect for being the grandmother, I would say, yeah, that's the best thing.

I would just add this, Ralph.

Just be very mindful what you put out on social media, because then it just

brings everybody else into it. So I would just say that.

Charles, have you watched the season?

Yes, I watched some shows.

How do you feel Angela did on the show?

I think she did great. She cried a couple times, but just telling, hey, you

jumped in the pool, you got to know how to swim.

Charles, there were a lot of moments where Angela would be saying to you, do

miss me?

And you were kind of holding back a little bit, which I think led to a

perception among some viewers that you don't care for her very much. Give me a

kiss. I give a kiss.

Why do you give a kiss?

I'm not the guy who just be all over Angela on TV. I don't try to put on for

cameras. And she know I love her, and I wouldn't be if I didn't love her and the

kids. So, hey, keep watching.

I give it up to you, a man of your profile especially. I mean, you showed

her over and over. I'm her husband, and I thought I'd have her back.

And she's thick and thin, so it is what it is. Yeah.

Charles, unfortunately, you and your mother -in -law had a bit of a rough

before her passing. She told Angela that she felt bad and she intended to

apologize to you for the blow -up. How did it feel to see that on camera?

I hate that it happened with me with our mom, because I love all the moms in the

world, because I had one, and she's 90 years old.

You know, it's just, you know, I'm sorry she left us.

And that's the state of mind.

And I really never had a sit -down dinner. But I know Angela always telling

mom, saying she's sorry, she loves me, this and that. So I accept apologies.

You know, like, she's not here. But I would give anything to get my mom back,

course. But I'm happy that he got to see on camera her

saying that she loves him. Yeah.

Sweet.

You know, Charles, a lot of the ladies mentioned that they didn't know that you

were married.

Were you hiding that you had a wife?

No, I wasn't hiding.

I don't know who married neither.

I hear that all the time.

You know, people be in the streets.

I hear a lot of people say I'm in the streets.

A lot of people say they know me, but don't know me.

Shamil, I met her.

for the first time on the show, but she said she was at Dominique Ware, and I

was there. No, I met you several times.

Where? I mean, you might not know me, but, I mean, obviously you're a legend.

Right, I don't know you.

Okay, one second. I met you at Nick's wedding.

No, no.

No, no. You didn't meet me. I was there.

That does not mean me.

I met you several times. Where?

I mean, you might not know me. I mean, obviously you're a legend.

Okay, one second.

I met you at Nick's wedding.

No, no. You didn't meet me. I was there.

That's not meeting me. Me and my husband were there.

And I don't even remember that.

Yeah, so I understand that, because obviously I wasn't famous. OK, OK, I

understand, though. When I met you at my party, oh, yeah, I met your husband,

you know, NBA at the game. And I said, but I never met you. It's so good to

you finally.

Mine was never a dig, for one. I feel like it was.

And because you said all these years I knew Charles, I never knew he had a

So I'm like, how could you know he's married if he doesn't know you? But I

met him.

OK, but you don't know him.

Charles, do you remember meaning Phaedra?

No.

Where'd you two meet, Phaedra?

Well, I know I've been in several rooms with him. OK, that's not meeting me,

though. But what I'm saying is I know.

We might have been. We might have been in the same bathroom.

Not the same bathroom.

We ain't in the same bathroom. What I'm saying is I know Sharae very well. And I

remember when y 'all were a couple at one point. OK, we were a couple. That

don't mean you know me, though.

I mean, Sharae was a couple.

I know you and Sharae was a couple. Why do people say they know this person

because I know Sharae? What I'm saying is I have been in your presence on

numerous occasions. On where?

But, Phaedra, you said it to be shady.

I did not.

You said his secret wife.

Someone told me Charles Oakley was married. You didn't know that man was

married? The secret wife of Charles Oakley. What did you hear about Charles?

I said...

It's a secret because it's unknown.

But it was a dig at me. First of all, I said I haven't seen him in over 10

years. I never said he was having an affair. I never said nothing about no

secret baby. I said none of that. For you to think that one comment, come on,

girl. This is housewives. No, this is housewives. So I got ate up. Like, girl,

we don't know you. I didn't eat you up. I didn't know anybody.

But why is there a conversation anyway if you don't marry or not?

Well, I'm, OK, first off. No, no, I'm just saying, everybody want to know

me. What about y 'all?

I'm the only husband here.

You are.

Where y 'all husbands at?

He at home. Where y 'all husbands?

I'm listening at home.

Well, I don't actually know where mine is.

What is an unspecified address?

We just talking.

But you're here. It don't matter. All y 'all got to do is Google me. You know my

name.

Google will tell you I've been married for 10 years.

Charles. Not 10 years.

11 years. 11 years. 12 years. Whatever. I'm just saying, though. I don't even

know. I don't even know.

Just know you're married.

I know I'm married.

Charles. Charles.

When did you date our friend Charette?

I never. That was back in 2000.

Five, six, seven, around there. Oh, OK. For like.

A couple years.

A couple years.

Was it dating?

Or was it like you guys? We went out. We was dating, yeah. But were you guys

living together?

We didn't live together. We was dating.

OK. So was it like a monogamous, long -term relationship?

We was going places, doing things, going to Dubai, around the country.

I mean, we was moving. Dubai?

Yeah. Oh.

OK, Andy.

What are we doing here?

What are we doing here?

Because there has been women in his past who, Thought they couldn't let go.

Sheree let go. She's not someone who I think is interested in my husband. Or

vice versa.

Okay. Charles, the women had a lot to say about you having an outside baby.

did this land with you?

We went to an event.

Men, Wendy and William had a cook -off for charity.

Yeah. And Angela tried to talk to Wendy because she had an issue about her

husband having a baby on her, right? Yeah. Him.

So she tried to be all, Wendy, sorry, that could happen to.

So Wendy took it back to the show and turned the whole story around.

Wendy made it seem like he had the baby on Angela. Right, on me.

And Charles has a side baby. She did. The story is still being told. Tell me

about the times Wendy invited you over for dinner, Charles.

Oh, she said, you want to come over and have some wine or whatever.

Multiple times.

No, it wasn't. When you were together? No, it was once. She had a cat, and I'm

allergic to cats and stuff.

I couldn't go. You didn't have a cat? And I didn't go.

I drink wine, so it ain't with me.

So you're saying you would have went on a date with Wendy Williams? I mean, I

would have had a glass of wine with her. I've been knowing her. I get it, but

that's not what I'm asking you. I said, would you go on a date?

I said I would have had a glass of wine with her. Is that a date?

Whatever you want to call it. Oh, God.

So, Charles, you wrote about in your book the incident at Madison Square

Mm -hmm.

How did that incident affect your marriage?

Well, you know, it stayed with me for a while.

It was like a step back. And Angela was just, you know, frustrated.

There was a strain in our marriage, and we lived apart. Because everything that

happened to him, he wanted to be outside.

And there were other women. Because this is a man of huge ego, not in a bad way,

just who he is. And to be drug out of Madison Square Garden, it affected us

tremendously.

You started therapy around them? Yes.

2017. Wow.

Amazing. Charles, has it been helpful?

Yeah, well, she's real sharp, number one. And she really hit a lot of points

that made me open up more and just help myself more accountable.

And I'm just glad Angela stayed strong and stayed with me. So to be clear, you

would take Wendy Williams for the last one, not Wendy the therapist.

No, two different people. OK. OK.

Before I let the guys go, anything else?

Anyone want to say or clear up from the season?

Well, I would like to know what my ex -husband told you, Ralph.

No, the only thing he was just talking about was just that the circumstances

behind your divorce, you know? It was pretty much that just one interaction.

So it was nothing else.

Sure. I appreciate that. And let me just tell you this. I think it's amazing

that you still have a man and a husband that still wants to take care of his

children. I don't have that. Ralph is a good guy. So I think, you know, I got to

say you're a pretty stand -up guy for that. He is. I appreciate that. And that

am grateful for. Yeah. All right. Well, I want to thank the guys for being here.

That was quick and painless. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen.

Thank you.

We are going to be right back after this from Atlanta.

Charles, when's the next cook -off? Whenever you want to.

I can't get in.

You know me.

Welcome back to the Real Housewives of Atlanta season 16 reunion.

Well, ladies, I want to end by talking about your time.

Drew, I'm happy that tonight you're ending the season in a better place with

Portia. I have to assume that makes you happy.

Oh, most definitely, because I did care for Portia. And I think today we heard

each other, found our way back to some apologies and healing. And so I

appreciate the accountability and the grace that we're extending to one

Kelly, what are you going to take away from this season?

I would definitely pick and choose who I'm a good friend to moving forward. But

you know what? I am so lucky to go kind of through this life journey with these

ladies. And let me just say this.

I really, really, really do hope and pray that Shamia and P can rekindle

friendship. I might have lost a friendship with Britt, but I really hope

you guys can rekindle the one that I lost.

Okay?

That's nice.

Yeah, it's nice.

Well, Phaedra, your stay was short, but it sure seemed like a lot of fun.

How does it feel being back on this platform in this group?

You know, it was a wild two weeks.

Yeah. I mean, Grenada, best time I've ever had on a trip outside of Africa.

Wow. For real?

Yeah. Thanks. We did that for you. Yeah, fact. I would do it a million times

over. It's fun to have you back. It is. Yeah, it is. We needed that.

You know, Angela, I...

I remember seeing you early in the season.

And you seemed so amazed that you were even cast on the show. You said, what

you even see in me? And now it seems that so many fans have seen something in

you. I have a deep gratitude for the platform, for the Fangelas.

And just to be given the opportunity to film with my mom, I now know that she

can live in everyone's home forever.

Yes, that is the biggest.

Absolutely. That's sweet.

Cynthia,

you did some real guidance this season. I mean, you were such a good friend. I

mean, you really kept the train moving, and I can't thank you enough. Thank you.

Thank you for not being a messy friend.

Thank you. Thank you guys so much.

I didn't know what to expect coming back as a friend of the show, and I just

appreciate the respect and the grace that you guys have given me.

Shamia, we've seen you on this show for so many years. Obviously, we really got

to know you this season. What do you take away from this?

Just to be more open about my feelings.

It's been an incredible journey. And I pray that moving forward, I can build

alliances with all of the ladies.

Pinky promise?

Sorry.

Pinky promise.

Pinky promise.

Portia.

How do you look back on what was really a very transitional year for you in your

personal life?

I mean, I've had rough seasons on the show before, but none this

honestly, to be able to sit and watch yourself not be your best.

And I don't blame anybody but me. But I have to say, as a woman, sitting up here

with other divorcees and...

I just have to thank God that I am sitting here with my right mind.

And, you know, to Shamia, I really hate the way this season went. And, you know,

I continue to love you. I continue to cheer for you. So I put a button on that

by saying that I love everybody that are on these couches. That's not easy to

say on the show. And, you know, thank you for such a beautiful season and a

learning season for me. But, Andy, I got to say one more thing.

Yeah.

You didn't get to come to my birthday party in Nashville.

Oh.

Okay. And so I just want to add you into the fun. Okay.

Where them fans at?

I know you've been wanting to do a dance.

Yeah, I love dancing. I know you've been wanting to do the fan dance.

Oh, man.

Okay. And there you go.

There you go.

All right.

You didn't get a fan?

We're watching everybody.

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