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Oscar bites and claws at me.
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Something is not right in his head. He
started howling. It sounds like a baby
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distress.
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I can't keep living like this. I'll
probably have to go to a shelter where
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they'll put him down.
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We own a cat. Her name is Riley.
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We don't know if she's bipolar or just
angry.
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I'm a veterinary technician, but...
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She's kind of a hard case to crack.
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I'm Jackson Galaxy.
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I'm a musician by night and a cat
behaviorist by day.
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I've met cats with all kinds of
problems.
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But I've never met one I couldn't help.
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Oh, hello. In my career, I've worked
with thousands of cats one -on -one,
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analyzing their behaviors and retraining
them and their guardians.
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When relationships are at an end, I
don't have many more options than to
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leave. And cat guardians have reached
their emotional limit. Just get rid of
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her. I'm their last hope.
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Are you all right?
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Sorry, I don't know. Cats have nine
lives, but humans only have one.
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I'm on my way over to see Travis and
Diane.
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These guys have joint custody of a
sphinx cat named Oscar, and he is
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all hours of the day and night.
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He's peeing all over the house. He's
driving his guardians insane with his
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behavior.
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And they told me that if I can't do
anything, Oscar's on his way to the
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A cat like Oscar goes into the shelter.
He doesn't come out again.
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His life is on the line. I got to get
over there.
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I'm Diane.
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And I'm Travis.
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And we've been best friends for four
years.
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We are co -parents to a beautiful six
-year -old Sphinx cat named Oscar.
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I had Oscar for the first four years of
his life.
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Then Diane went on a work trip and asked
me to babysit Oscar for a while.
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But when I got him home, he started
howling.
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It sounds like a baby in distress.
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I work from home a lot, and I spend a
lot of time on the phone.
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And Oscar bellows and yells and screams.
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Oscar makes it very difficult to work
from home, and that ends up costing me
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money.
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I've had Oscar and these problems now
for two years. I feel like Diane tricked
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me, and I didn't hear many of the
negatives.
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It was just about what a great caddy he
was. I just said to him, Diane, I can't
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keep living like this, so you should
take him back, and at that point it was.
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I can't because he's too difficult to
handle.
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Now I keep him, but then when I travel
for work, I leave him here with Diane.
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He's a really endearing cat, but I don't
feel like I can ever leave because he
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makes Diane's life miserable.
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Something is not right in his head. He
has bad, negative feelings towards me.
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Oscar bites and claws at me.
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Blood will actually come through my
clothes.
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The problem is Oscar despises me because
I'm the one who maintains his
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cleanliness.
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He looks at me like I'm going to be the
one picking at him.
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If we can't get him to stop doing all
this crazy stuff, then I can't work. I
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can't travel.
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Diane doesn't want to take him. He'll
probably have to go to a shelter where
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they'll put him down.
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Jackson, hello.
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How are you? Nice to meet you. Nice to
meet you. Hi. Hi. I'm Diane.
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Nice to meet you, Diane. Nice to meet
you. And it's Oscar.
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Hi, baby boy.
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Hi.
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I think Jackson just has a sixth sense
with Oscar. Right away, Oscar was drawn
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to Jackson.
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I'm really excited to see what he's
going to have to say about Oscar.
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Let's get down to it.
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Why is Oscar ruining your life?
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So he's totally cool with you? Yeah.
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Because I think he really uses his
voice. He uses the screaming to leave
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alone. So you can't give him a bath. You
can't cut his toenails. You can't
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because he knows the screaming.
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Everybody will stop and let him go.
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He'll scream, but you'll still give him
a bath.
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Spinks needs baths every week. I don't
believe he needs a bath every week. I
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probably have a different opinion on how
to raise animals because I grew up on a
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farm. I think it irritates his skin to
give him a bath all the time.
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Sphinx are nearly hairless. They secrete
a lot of oil out of their skin, and
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they need to be bathed at least once a
week. This feels like classic sort of
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joint custody.
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Also, Oscar is a spiteful urinator.
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Okay.
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So, the spiteful urinator thing. I mean,
you know the cats don't operate the way
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we do, right?
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For certain, cats don't spitefully
urinate.
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No, I think he does. You really think
that he's trying to get to you? Yeah.
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You will go in front of the litter box.
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You will not go in the litter box.
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As long as you believe it, my job is to
change your mind.
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Okay. Even beyond the urine, I run most
of my work from home, and so late at
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night, I'm doing a lot of calls.
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He howls and screams.
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Very loud fellow.
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A neighbor called in. You got a noise
complaint from Oscar? From Oscar, yeah,
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and it was like he didn't sound like a
cat either. He sounded like a little
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baby.
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One unique thing about the Sphinx is
that they are very much a look at me,
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at me, I want to be the center of
attention type of breed. And part of
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the set of lungs these guys have on
them. They can be really deceptively
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The big issue is Diane needs to be able
to watch him. I travel for work, and if
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he can't be watched by Diane, then I
don't know where I can put him.
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I spent the last... 17 years in
shelters, if he's peeing, if he's
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don't care where you bring him. He's not
coming out of that place. If he dies,
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we just got to fix this.
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Yeah.
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I read humans about as well as I read
cats. And I'm telling you, there's a big
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level of resentment that I think Travis
has towards Diane. Hey, listen, you
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dumped this cat on me. And now you come
back here and you say, I want to be a
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part of this. And why isn't he being
nice to me?
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I think it's justified resentment.
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I want to see you guys hold him, okay?
Let me see what happens with you. Oh, I
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know.
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Hey. He's also talky.
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How are you doing, buddy?
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You put this cat in Travis's arms, and
it's rockabye sweet prince.
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Look at that belly, too. That's fun,
this little.
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And you give him over to Diane.
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And this is every time.
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Yeah, every time.
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Poor Diane doesn't know what else to do
but keep going.
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Please respond to me while the whole
time he's saying, just let me go, I
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stand this.
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What a crazy day.
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I know.
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I have felt that Diane has smothered
Oscar previously and it was nice that
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Jackson,
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Oh, okay.
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I know. I'm so sorry.
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You look so sad.
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I'm used to Oscar treating me terribly.
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I love Oscar, and I really want to work
this situation out.
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It's very sad for me, too, because I
mean, I know how much Diane loves Oscar.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. The one thing that
you notice from Diane spending any time
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with her is how sad she is. There's this
insult.
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that every time he tries to touch him,
love him, and say, remember me? Remember
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what I used to be for you?
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He says, we're not that anymore.
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Of course, he said. I get it.
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Yeah, I'll show you the upstairs.
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This is nice.
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You work here.
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Mm -hmm.
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There's his little, pay attention to me,
Purge. Yes. So he sits over there, and
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he's like, hey!
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That's right. This is where I'm finding
the biggest issue. He'll come up here
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and he'll look at me and then he'll
start howling. It's definitely, you
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it's very pertinent to the whole idea of
I have to be able to work.
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I think a really interesting thing that
Travis was showing to us was like, you
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know, I've given this cat this great
space to run around. And every night he
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runs back and forth and then he bothers
me. Well, you have to be a part of
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getting that energy out of him. And then
he's not going to scream at you. Does
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he have his claws?
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Not in the front. Oh, he's declawed.
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Is he sensitive about his paws when you
touch them?
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He is with me.
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He is with you. Well,
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that's another whole ball of wax we've
got to deal with in terms of the peeing.
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All right, where's the litter box?
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Oh, in the bathroom. All right.
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So, is that him?
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Yes. Let's first take a look at the
litter box.
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I can pretty well tell you I think I
know what's going on.
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Over the 15 years that I've been doing
this, I've seen more and more declawed
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cats see outside the box. What the cat
does is they go into the litter box
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the declaw, they step into the litter,
and they go, ow!
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Their paws hurt.
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Do what you would normally do with him.
I wanted to see Diane interact with
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Oscar without Travis around.
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Do the pet that you would normally do.
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Hey, bud.
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Bing.
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As soon as you bring in that over
-touch, he says, it's overstimulation.
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all it is. Diane clearly smothers and
overstimulates Oscar even when he's
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screaming for her to stop.
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So, Travis, you've got to do some of the
stuff that's causing him to really
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dislike her.
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You've got to be the tough parent. So
your homework that I want you to do is
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bathe him.
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And, Diane, I want you to release.
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some of the stuff that you have to do.
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Diane's homework is infinitely more
difficult than my homework.
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My homework is to do nothing and let
Oscar come to me.
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I have to throw him in a bucket of water
and, like, clean his toes.
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We have to even out this classically
negative association with you. We're
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rebuilding right now.
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Co -parenting a cat is a unique
situation, but it can work.
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But Travis and Diane have to be on the
same page about how to parent Oscar. I'm
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going to...
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I recommend a litter for you guys to
use, just smaller pieces.
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And I'm going to have you add another
litter box.
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Unfortunately, we see it with declaws
all the time. What happens is we say, I
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don't want him scratching the furniture.
We declaw him, then they pee on the
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floor. You think it's because he has a
declawed? Yeah, totally.
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I think there's discomfort in his paws.
I found that to be very interesting
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because we've both battled with this for
years. And I've never, from reading and
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following up and trying the different
things, I've never heard that.
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Now, about the owling.
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If you can just get him worn out, you're
not going to get the, hey, because he
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can't just entertain himself. You've got
to be part of the equation.
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That's it for your homework.
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So I'm going to take off, all right?
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I thought Jackson was great, but if this
doesn't work, then, yeah, we'll have to
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consider taking him to a shelter where
they'll probably put him down.
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Two weeks ago, co -parents Diane and
Travis really had their hands full.
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was getting attacked by Oscar because
she was the only one bathing him.
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And Travis' job was basically on the
line because of Oscar's yowling.
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So I gave them homework, which included
changing Oscar's litter box, having
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Travis do the playing and the bathing,
and I had to have Diane step away for a
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couple of weeks and not smother Oscar so
much. Let's see how they worked out.
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Hi, Jackson. Hey there. How's it going?
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It's going good.
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I see tremendous progress with Oscar,
and I think, Jackson, I'll be pretty
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pleased. What I want to do now is I want
to take a look at your homework that we
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did last time. You sent me some great
footage.
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Let's just watch.
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It's like fishing.
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Very curious.
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What is that thing that I play with
every day?
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That was really good. Now tell me what
you're noticing.
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When I start to work, if he seems like
he's starting to get fidgety, I'll play
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with him a little bit, even while I'm on
a conference call.
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By and large, you're not getting the
back and forth, back and forth thing?
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Right, like he has not once ran around.
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It's amazing. Travis was very specific
that Oscar hasn't screamed at all. Now
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that's some progress.
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I've been sitting back and letting Oscar
come to me.
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You know, my homework was to not, you
know, pet him and not bug him. And he
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already trusts me more just in these
last two weeks from the last time that
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were here. That's clear. As we're
sitting talking about their progress,
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jumps up and he actually solicits
attention from Diane two weeks ago.
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And now he's coming up there and saying,
hey, you're all right.
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That's an amazing turn of events.
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I think you put too much. I put too
much.
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You brought in the new litter box.
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Wonderful. Show me.
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Sounds great. Let's do it.
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So this is brand new litter, right? Yep.
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This is the one I recommended to you,
which is much finer than the other
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that he uses.
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Being a declaw, he's got sensitive paws,
and going into that box affected him.
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There's proof positive. Last time I was
here, we talked about, Diane, your
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notion of spiteful peeing.
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Yes. And what are we seeing now?
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He hasn't gone at all. At all? No, not
one. Which tells you.
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He doesn't spitefully urinate.
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He doesn't spitefully urinate. Exactly
right.
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Travis and Diane added a different type
of litter to the litter boxes.
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In two weeks, he hasn't peed outside the
box just by changing litter.
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Case done.
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There's always stuff that you're not
seeing. So I want to grab my blacklight.
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Travis and Diane are telling me that
Oscar hasn't peed anywhere outside the
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in two solid weeks.
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They had to bring out my blacklight. I
wanted to explore the litter box.
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He was doing a lot of it out here.
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All right, so he would go here in this
area.
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About the toilet, nothing.
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Anything right by your feet?
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Good.
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And even right next to the box, zero.
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You're not lying.
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Sure enough, there was nothing.
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This, what he's doing here, is something
that I want to work on because this box
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is only so big. And there's so much
litter in here. This just looks like
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getting on his paws maybe.
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Maybe something you don't want around
the rest of your house. You're certainly
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right.
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Overall, though, amazing news.
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Congratulations. You want to shake my
hand on it? Maybe later. Maybe later.
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He really knows the litter box now. And
I wanted to show them by showing them
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what he had gifted.
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I gave Travis the sole homework of being
the bather.
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Good.
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Oh, I know.
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All right, guys, some great stuff in
there, and some stuff that needs some
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So let me break it down for you. The
great stuff I saw from you was your
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was full of reassurances.
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Now, on the other hand, what I didn't
see from you was the full Monty. I mean,
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you've got to give him a bath.
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And on that note, sit there for a
second.
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I got something I want to show you guys,
okay?
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So I left the room for a minute to come
back with my present for these guys I
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was kind of excited about.
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All right.
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Wow. Obviously you can tell what this is
all about.
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Jackson came in with this big tub.
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It's great to break the association with
the kind of cold metal thing. I think
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it'll be really cool.
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Let's take a little trip.
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Diane's methods in terms of bathing
Oscar are obviously wrong.
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Travis, although he's trying, is not
doing it correctly either. So I'm going
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take them to a professional groomer
today to show them how to properly bathe
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sphinx.
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Hello there.
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Hi. This is Travis and this is Diane.
Nice to meet you. Hi. And this is Oscar.
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Sphinx need to be bathed once a week.
Because they have oilier skin, sphinx
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more prone to feline acne. Therefore,
proper skin maintenance is a must.
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And we have Oscar.
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Okay. We got to teach the guy that once
a week or so, his face has to get
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washed. Okay, I agree. So let's go ahead
and place him here on the table. It's
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so crucial for Diane, first of all, to
see the way that she handles him right
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now is completely wrong. And she now
needs to redefine her physical
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with him.
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Simple hypoallergenic shampoo.
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Something that doesn't have a scent.
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Diane and I have always had differences.
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on how to bathe or groom Oscar.
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The big part, though, was also how to do
it.
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Any
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time
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that he goes to the sink for a bath...
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I've seen the cat go.
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Slowly put him in.
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Insane.
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On a sphinx, you've got to imagine that
without the hair.
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He made a little bit of noise. That's
how he knows how to get out of things,
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she wouldn't let him out. Did you see
how I placed him in?
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Yep. Okay.
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That's the only way to do it. Slowly put
him in. Let his head touch. Kind of
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work from behind to front with a cool
washcloth. Kind of going from the neck
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down.
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Okay. Just to get the water all over the
body.
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I know.
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They're going to scream. They're going
to try to squiggle. They're going to
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wiggle and try to move out. They are
going to do that. After a while, he'll
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that this behavior is not good.
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This is a pretty huge moment because
he's getting this back. He does his
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every now and again. It's really just a
lot of noise and nothing else.
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Yeah, he's perfectly fine. He's fine.
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Now, with a cup.
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You can go ahead and rinse them off. I
think Jackson's idea of going to the
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groomers was really great because one of
the big issues that we've had going
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forth is what kind of maintenance he
needs and how it should be done.
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And so we got a lot of the questions
resolved today.
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I thought we had a great time today.
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Shonda was fantastic.
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I'd like you to take the lessons that
you learned from her and apply it here
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because we really do have to undo the
trauma.
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And I will talk to you guys in a couple
weeks.
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The next time I come back here, I expect
to see Travis and Diane complete the
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picture that I have in my mind of co
-parenting, which is they both bathe
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Not only do they bathe him, they use the
things that I brought in today to just
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create a new experience for Oscar.
Within a few weeks, he's just going to
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have the repetition of trauma.
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I'm about ready to go in for my last
visit with Travis, Diane, and their
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cat, Oscar. I really feel like if they
just stayed the course.
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that we're going to see complete
success.
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But I don't know. I'm about to find out.
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Hello. How's it going?
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Look who's back.
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How are you?
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The last time I was with Travis and
Diane and their cat, Oscar, we were at
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groomers. He did pretty well, but that
cat has a set of lungs on him.
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So I want to see you bathe him one more
time. I want to be a witness to it.
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Now, I asked Travis and Diane to bathe
him again.
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Is he going to get through the bath
again? Is he going to scream his head
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don't know.
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Here, let's... Excited?
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All right.
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Wait, wait, wait. Let him get
comfortable real quick.
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There we go.
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All right.
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Isn't that fun?
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That's amazing.
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It really is.
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He's not disturbing the neighbors.
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He's not disturbing me, that's for sure.
Yeah.
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During the whole time, you know, he had
a little bit of moaning and a little bit
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of, oh, I don't want to be here.
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But there was not the Oscar scream.
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He just knew this was something I have
to get through. But because they were
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building a new association for him, he
also knew that it was going to end. In
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terms of what I saw the last time, what
I heard.
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The first couple times, this is a night
and day difference.
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It's a huge difference.
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Yeah. Let me scratch my nose.
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Thank you.
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Now that's teamwork.
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That's right.
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Travis and Diane, just a few weeks ago,
in terms of co -parenting, they couldn't
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have been on any further plane.
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But it seems completely different now,
and they got the job done.
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So now you both did the bathing
together. That was good.
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We're getting along quite nicely. And my
relationship with Oscar has really
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changed. He comes, sits on my lap now.
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It's pretty amazing, actually.
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You like this, Oscar?
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I've just never seen him so relaxed with
me before.
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I know.
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It's completely different.
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Right now, you've got a cat that's half
asleep while Diane pets him. No hissing.
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No biting.
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No peeing. Is that him? No yowling.
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No nothing.
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I mean, these guys can't take for
granted the magnitude of this change.
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How many times has he hissed?
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After secured.
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We never thought that we could be in
such a good place.
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Again, you guys have done an amazing job
with him. It was great to meet you.
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When we first started this process, he
was miserable when I was around.
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Now he trusts me.
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Now it's a really pleasant experience to
have him around. He's fun.
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He's honestly like a new cat.
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Oh, baby, what?
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I'm on my way over to see Vincent and
Esther. They've got this cat named Riley
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that's suddenly turned violent.
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Now, Esther is a veterinary technician.
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She can't even figure out what's going
on. So I'm on my way over to see if I
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just help them put together these puzzle
pieces.
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Hi, I'm Vincent. And I'm Esther.
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And we've been together three years now.
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Married for a year and a half.
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And we own a cat. Her name is Riley.
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I got her from the veterinary hospital.
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I'm not a cat guy. I'm a dog lover. And
when I saw Riley, I fell in love with
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cats. She was cuddly. She was cute. You
could hold her in the palm of your
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hands. And then one day, I just all did
a 180.
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Baby, be good.
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Ow. We don't know if she's bipolar or
just angry.
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Be good.
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Ow.
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She bathed. Yeah, she got me.
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I'm a musician.
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And I'm a veterinary technician.
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Which means that I should know more
about cats and their behavior.
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So I definitely feel like I'm failing
our cat.
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Sometimes when I get home, Riley and I
get into it right away.
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I'm in a terrible mood.
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Esther comes home. There's friction
right there, which is the only source of
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friction. Riley the cat.
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What happened?
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She's just too bad.
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There have been times that I've just
told her, just get rid of her. Just give
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her to somebody that will deal with this
properly.
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It would be very hard for me to let
Riley go to another family. It would
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like I was the biggest failure because
she's so loving.
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When you have an animal under the same
roof as you and you can't get along with
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it, it's taxing on a marriage.
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It would be nice if Jackson could help
us get that harmony that just is not
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right now.
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I'm about to go in and visit Vincent and
Esther and their cat Riley for the
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first time. Now, I've heard that Riley
is a handful. She's incredibly
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aggressive. I've got a feeling I've got
my work cut out for me.
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Hey. Hi.
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I'm Esther.
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Hey, Esther. I'm Jackson. I'm Vincent.
Hey, Vincent. Nice to meet you. We
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definitely were very hopeful of Jackson
being able to come in here and help.
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It's always the big question mark of,
like, Oh, gosh, are we going to have
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weird cat that can't be helped?
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Oh, I'm glad I could get here because I
heard things were not lovely here.
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Yeah, it's been a little rough.
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Tell me about her.
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Well, we got her as a kitten. She was
great until she passed teenagerhood into
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being a big cat, and then she turned
into a wild schizophrenic.
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She's part loving and part...
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Just on a dime, man. She's just
impossible to handle or read.
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What?
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You have faith in the fact that the way
you handle her is proper and everything?
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I mean, I'll see you do it later, but...
Yeah.
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No way. Not me.
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There's been times where I'll put her in
a towel, and I'll just restrain her
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like that forever, you know, hoping that
she'll see I'm her caregiver.
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You know what I mean? It's
inappropriate, I know. And I am an
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it's driving me nuts that I'm at this
point. That she pushes your butt. Yeah,
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course. It's ridiculous. Yeah.
465
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,920
He's saying he's sorry. Well, sorry
doesn't really cash the check because
466
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,880
the thing, you keep doing it. There's
another issue entirely is the potty
467
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,880
training thing.
468
00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:15,140
Oh, you potty trained your cat?
469
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:16,440
Dude, it worked.
470
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,720
Cats are not meant to go in the toilet.
They're meant to go all over the place
471
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,920
and mark the entire territory. To me,
it's one step away from training your
472
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,780
to ride a unicycle and juggle chainsaws
at the same time. It's an insult.
473
00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:36,310
After plays with her. Then she flips
over and, like, kicks and bites.
474
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:43,170
Do you ever get bit at work, scratched
at work?
475
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,150
I've rarely been bitten at work.
476
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:47,470
So you come home and you get beat up.
477
00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:49,690
It's got to be frustrating.
478
00:27:50,110 --> 00:27:53,390
Well, sometimes coworkers will be like,
oh, what cat got you? And I'll be like,
479
00:27:53,530 --> 00:27:55,350
my own.
480
00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:58,830
I wanted to take a tour of the home, and
I just wanted to see.
481
00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:02,450
All the places that Riley has lashed out
before.
482
00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:09,650
This is kind of a haven for her amongst
those dads and whatnot.
483
00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:14,790
But this has also been a traumatic area,
too. Tell me what.
484
00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:18,090
When her and I have been tussling or
whatever, having a disagreement.
485
00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:20,590
A disagreement. Yeah, she'll,
486
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:23,950
you know, make this her little nook.
487
00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:29,270
But this down here becomes a problem
area for you. Yeah, and... Something
488
00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:35,070
in fear of is me reaching at her, you
know, to pull her out. Why do you pull
489
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:39,810
out again? Just, you know, it's my
shortcomings as a pet owner.
490
00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:42,510
It's ridiculous. I've never felt like
this before about anything.
491
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:47,150
He will not let her be when she's under
there. When she's stressed out, he feels
492
00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:50,330
like he must pull her out. Come through
our hallway.
493
00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:53,570
Okay. Where we have the bathroom here.
494
00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:56,870
Okay. And... Infamous toilet. Allow me.
495
00:28:58,110 --> 00:28:59,110
She's pooping outside?
496
00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:02,930
No, she's in. No, no, she's now finally
in. She's now finally in. We had to go
497
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:08,250
revert back to the level previous to
this one to get her to start
498
00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:12,190
doing it before we moved. You had a lot
of work in there. We did. A lot of, you
499
00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:17,610
know, my missteps were while, and I was
simultaneously imploring Esther, can we
500
00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:18,830
just, can we just nix this?
501
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:22,190
When the cat, I would walk in and all of
a sudden it's on the floor.
502
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:23,670
I didn't handle that well.
503
00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:26,770
You know what I mean? I would
immediately pick the cat up, like you
504
00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:29,510
you know what I mean? Like their nose in
it? No, not their nose in it, but you
505
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:31,650
know what I mean? You would pick up the
cat and go, what'd you do? You know what
506
00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:35,210
I mean? Like a dog. This did not work.
This resulted in flailing.
507
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,530
Probably more anxiety around the toilet.
Like I said, you know, I'm hip to it
508
00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:43,830
all now. I get it. I understand my
missteps, but I'm still, you know, I'm
509
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:45,610
good with this. Okay.
510
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:46,789
This is the bedroom.
511
00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:47,790
Okay.
512
00:29:48,270 --> 00:29:52,250
She loves to go under the bed and climb
into the lining, almost like a hammock.
513
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,680
So there have been points where I've
taken that bed and pulled it up and
514
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,500
the cat out and put her in a different
room. You know what's really interesting
515
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:07,480
to me is that I can't imagine you
getting to this place where you pull
516
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,340
bed up and pull her out of here.
517
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,100
Vincent's not picking up on the fact
that every time he gets worked up, Riley
518
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:19,700
gets more worked up. By the way, I just
can't help but looking at this. If I was
519
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:22,180
to go up to her right now, she may...
520
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:23,439
Freak out.
521
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,660
Well, you know you just invited them, so
please.
522
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,880
What I do in approaching cats, first of
all, let them introduce themselves to
523
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,280
me, and then I'll follow their lead.
That's the important thing.
524
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,700
All right.
525
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:39,120
This is my look. The hand that feeds
you.
526
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,700
There you go. Do it again.
527
00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:43,420
Now.
528
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:48,390
Now she got you. Yeah, yeah, she's
definitely done a job on you before,
529
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:51,790
It's very clear to me that there's
something in the dynamic of Vincent and
530
00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:55,970
Riley's relationship that is to blame
here. Can you switch for a second?
531
00:30:56,530 --> 00:30:57,530
Ralph!
532
00:30:58,650 --> 00:30:59,650
What's up, girl?
533
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,050
Hi. Oh, I know.
534
00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:04,390
She'll probably want to play. There we
go.
535
00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:06,350
So this is how you two play. This is how
she plays.
536
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:11,080
Okay. Now that I've seen the response
that Vincent elicits and I've seen the
537
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,060
response that Esther elicits, it's time
for me to get in there and see what I
538
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:15,639
can do.
539
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,480
What I'm going to do immediately is cut
off escape, which I would never do to
540
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,500
you ordinarily, baby.
541
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,360
And I'm going to present hands kind of
the way that I thought you'd do it. In
542
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,760
experience, when I approach with hands,
it's limp, palm down, and not grabbing
543
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240
at something. You grab at them, they're
going to grab back.
544
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,280
So, it's all in the hand.
545
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,040
What's that look that you're seeing
right now?
546
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,260
She's definitely questioning what you're
going to do with your hand. I think
547
00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:45,260
she's mad at your hand.
548
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,620
Did you see what happened there? Yeah.
The minute you have a fist, her eyes
549
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:51,100
dilate. So we're going to mellow out
again.
550
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,740
You see what happened? Did you see that?
551
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:59,140
So as soon as my hand went down, I can
breathe again, right?
552
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,740
Where do I got to push you to the point
where you lash out? When I went from
553
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:12,780
flat hand to fist, she did this to me.
554
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Thank you for hurting me. That's cool.
555
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,580
Now I want to see, it's okay, baby. Lip
licking, eyes looking for escape, ears
556
00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:27,100
flat. Lip licking is a sign of
nervousness. Ears back, a defensive
557
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,660
which means she can attack at any time.
558
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,660
Now, her natural instinct at this point.
559
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,520
It should not just be fight. It should
be flight.
560
00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:39,780
All right.
561
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,260
From that position, now you have escape.
562
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,080
You see?
563
00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:53,720
She's so fixed on that that she's not
seeing escape.
564
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,700
She doesn't know better than to not
corner herself.
565
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,120
This is one of our biggest problems
right now because now...
566
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:14,150
I try not to ignite any friction between
me and Riley, so I don't see that side
567
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:17,730
of her very often. I don't see her in a
corner with her ears back. I don't see
568
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:18,870
her striking like that.
569
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:22,590
I don't try to ignite the friction
either, just to clear up the record.
570
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:24,390
If you don't mind, let's get out of
here.
571
00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:32,890
Okay, so let me tell you the good, the
bad, and the ugly.
572
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:38,110
So, first of all, the fact that you get
pushed to a point... where you flip that
573
00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:39,110
bed up.
574
00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:44,330
We saw in there that really concerning
thing that I'd put a flat hand out, no
575
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:45,350
problem. I'd fist up.
576
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:48,370
And it was a huge problem.
577
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:52,490
Yeah. This is threatening to a human. If
I'm like this to you, you know.
578
00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:55,410
This to a cat doesn't seem like it
should.
579
00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:59,110
No. I'm telling you, this hand thing is
learned.
580
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:04,150
Something's happening here that is
threatening the hell out of her.
581
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:11,940
So your homework this week is pretty
simple. I want you to start journaling.
582
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:17,080
she's going through her space and say,
Zach threatened, put masking tape on the
583
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,840
floor in an X. So when I come over here
next time, I see where those X's are, do
584
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,900
it. On the other side, I can't stand
toilet training cats.
585
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,159
This to me serves no use except for you.
586
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,800
Get rid of it this week. Yeah. Now.
587
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:40,770
Vincent, I got to say this up front. I
need to know when she pushes you, and I
588
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:44,370
need to know exactly what you were
thinking when you get to that place. Oh,
589
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:48,330
got it, man. I'm going to document every
thought, every moment. In the same
590
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:50,989
time, put an end to hand play
altogether.
591
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:56,350
Yeah. No more playing with hands, no
more pulling out with hands. So what
592
00:34:56,350 --> 00:35:00,950
means is you find those interactive toys
that...
593
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,120
you can both be involved in. Because
next time around, we're going to start
594
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,440
getting rid of all the things that
threaten her.
595
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,460
Good? Yeah. You down?
596
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,540
All right. Thank you very much.
597
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,320
You're very welcome. Great to meet you.
Good to meet you. Great to meet you.
598
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:20,040
Today I saw a cat that has obviously
been conditioned towards fear.
599
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:25,960
Now I got to get to the bottom of this.
I have to find out how far Vincent has
600
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,660
taken this, but it's not going to be fun
to find out.
601
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,500
So it's been a few weeks since the last
time I saw Vincent and Esther and Riley.
602
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,140
Hey there, Vincent.
603
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,820
Nice to see you again. Yeah, you too.
604
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:56,820
Hi. Now, the last time I was here, I
left completely bloodied up. That cat
605
00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:00,720
whipping on me, so I didn't really know
what to expect walking back in again.
606
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,700
So, tell me a story. What's going on?
607
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,280
Well, we've been following the plan.
608
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,560
We've been handling Riley 90 % less.
609
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Are you... Playing less with hands.
610
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,500
We've seen massive results right from
the beginning.
611
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:19,080
Riley has developed the best word for
it. It's trust.
612
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:24,740
Tons of trust. And I've watched it bloom
into this beautiful play interaction
613
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:26,860
between the two of them. Nice. It's
crazy.
614
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,100
Nice.
615
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,340
Let's do a quick hand check here. I
always love to do this at the beginning.
616
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,000
are you guys doing? Oh, yeah. I have no
new fresh cards at all. No, no. None of
617
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,499
us do.
618
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,840
The first bit of big news was that there
hasn't been any attacks.
619
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,060
I thought that in itself was amazing in
the time that we've been gone, only
620
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,840
three weeks. I'm really excited to get
to the video homework because you guys
621
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,940
did a lot in here, too. So let's take a
look.
622
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,080
This is going all day long.
623
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:10,190
I really love the fact that Vincent and
Esther were playing with Riley plenty in
624
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:11,190
this video homework.
625
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:15,690
The cat was just running with wild
abandon, no hands involved, which is
626
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:18,530
Remember, she's still scared of hands,
but she still likes to fetch.
627
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:20,210
All that was great to see.
628
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:24,630
Good stuff.
629
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:25,988
All right.
630
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:30,290
So, with all the detail that we saw in
the video, I'm absolutely excited to
631
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:32,570
start walking around here, starting with
these exes.
632
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,500
Last time I was here, I asked Vincent
and Esther to start marking places on
633
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:41,440
floor, what I called hot spots, with X's
where bad interactions were happening
634
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,440
with Riley.
635
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:44,620
Girlfriend.
636
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,220
So, tell me something. The last time we
were here, we had a lot of moments in
637
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:53,440
here that I found kind of... I pull out
a hand.
638
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:54,740
Honey.
639
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,260
So as soon as I started gesticulating,
just a little bit, I'd set her off.
640
00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:04,330
So we know exactly right now how halfway
we are.
641
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:08,490
That's information I needed to see as I
put my hand in my back pocket. Look at
642
00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:11,230
this. I looked over at Vincent and
Esther. They were concerned.
643
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:16,590
I had to let them know this is only the
50 % mark of this process. We're going
644
00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:21,150
to see retreats like this. So let's go
back to this crazy.
645
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:25,470
cat algebra on the floor that we got
going on. The best way to do this is to
646
00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:27,530
come out here, and I'll show you what
this was.
647
00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:31,030
This door, this door was right here.
648
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:33,430
See, she's doing it right now. She's
trapping herself.
649
00:38:33,850 --> 00:38:36,770
See that? Yeah. Hey, baby, I'm going to
put this there.
650
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:38,830
That was just about there.
651
00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:40,550
Sorry.
652
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:43,130
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait one sec.
653
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:45,090
Look what's happened. Yeah, right?
654
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:46,428
Yeah, it was a hand.
655
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:47,430
It was a hand.
656
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:48,870
And then she came out. Right.
657
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,460
Last time something like that happened,
the cat froze in the corner and started
658
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,780
lashing out like a trapped animal, which
she was.
659
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,800
This time, she chose escape.
660
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,620
That in itself is a game changer. You
went down there with a hand in the
661
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:05,040
picture. She was like, oh, I want out.
That's amazing. Give me some.
662
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,540
Riley seems to be on the right track,
but she's still scared of hands.
663
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:11,400
I had to talk to Vincent.
664
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,200
He has been prone to fits of rage around
this cat. I had to know if he followed
665
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,880
that rage all the way to the end and
struck her.
666
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:24,590
So, you know, you went flipping the bed
and all that stuff. So when you did the
667
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:28,170
bed, how did that end? What did that
look like at the end?
668
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:33,430
At the end, it wound up me, you know,
fishing her out by the back of the neck,
669
00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:36,990
you know. And I'm sure, no doubt, it was
traumatizing.
670
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:40,050
It doesn't make sense.
671
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:46,130
I mean, because honestly, I got to know
at some point if you hit her.
672
00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:52,200
No. You've never hit her? No, I've never
hit her. I've whipped her up. I've
673
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,020
picked her up by that back of the neck
quite a few times, you know.
674
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,200
You would scruff?
675
00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:00,640
Hold that one more time, because me and
you are both doing it right now. She's
676
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,440
feeling that, right? The aura of a fist
right on her person.
677
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:09,360
Thank you. I mean, the thing is, you
know it's wrong when you're doing it.
678
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,740
know it's counter -effective, but it's
like... Well, first of all, thank you so
679
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:18,740
much for your honesty on this one. Of
course. Thank you, man. No, but...
680
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,060
I didn't put myself out there. You did.
681
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,560
So let's go rejoin Esther in the living
room. Go over some homework. Cool.
682
00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:27,400
Of course I can feel for Vincent.
683
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,360
He's not an animal abuser. He's never
struck the cat, but he has traumatized
684
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,200
her, and now we just have to move
forward from there.
685
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,840
All right. Let's talk some homework now.
Okay. I feel pretty strongly right now
686
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,740
because of the information you gave me.
Thank you again.
687
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:42,100
Of course.
688
00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:44,580
And now we get to counter -condition
that.
689
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,420
Now we're going to start desensitizing
and counter -conditioning the experience
690
00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:49,209
with hands.
691
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:53,550
And that includes the fifth, but you're
praising at the same time. So with all
692
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:55,150
that, that's all your homework.
693
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:57,650
I'm off, and I will see you very soon.
694
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:59,750
All right. Sounds great. Take care.
695
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:13,690
I'm going in for my last visit with
Esther, Vincent, and Riley, and all I'm
696
00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:16,910
hoping for this time is a little bit of
peace. I just want to make sure that
697
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:18,410
Riley is grounded.
698
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Is not attacking. And also, at this
point, I'm hoping that hands are not the
699
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,980
thing to send her over the edge.
700
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:27,220
Oh, baby, what?
701
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:30,700
The bedroom.
702
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,260
The bedroom. Now, this has been the
scene of many a tragic circumstance.
703
00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:45,360
Have you had any incidents with her in
the corner? How has she reacted? She
704
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,360
really hasn't backed herself in any
corners.
705
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,680
So big, it's so important.
706
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:55,380
What I really needed to see was Vincent
using his hands with Riley, because if
707
00:41:55,380 --> 00:42:00,580
you go back to day one, all of the
trauma was based around his fist
708
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:01,580
her.
709
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,360
Come here, baby.
710
00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:06,860
Come here, Ralph.
711
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,820
Come here.
712
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:17,720
Hi, baby. Good girl. Hi.
713
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:20,460
Good girl.
714
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,820
Hands are no longer a problem for Riley.
715
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:27,960
Closed fists, open hands, wiggle the
fingers, no problem whatsoever.
716
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:31,600
I want to see this cool trick that
you've done, fist treat.
717
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:35,500
Vincent told me something very
interesting, that what he's been doing
718
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:39,640
my exercises one step further and
presenting a prize in the fist. I never
719
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,060
thought of that. Look at that, baby.
720
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,100
What's in there? What do you think's in
there?
721
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:46,600
Oh, my God.
722
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,020
That was amazing, man.
723
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:50,940
Riley and I, we're buddies.
724
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,400
I handle her a lot less, and then when I
do handle her, it's always positive.
725
00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:58,980
And now she's with you, and then I do my
little sitting dance. Right, right,
726
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:01,440
right. We do a little sitting dance on
that one.
727
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,260
Vincent and Esther have done everything
I've asked to help out their cat, Riley.
728
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,120
They've reconditioned her so she's not
afraid of hands anymore.
729
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:12,250
Vincent has changed his behavior
completely around her, and therefore she
730
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:14,930
doesn't corner herself and lash out in
fear anymore.
731
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:18,470
Thanks so much, dude. We couldn't have
done this without you. It was amazing. I
732
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:22,410
mean, I have so much gratitude for this.
You know what? Me too, because I
733
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:24,230
learned a lot through your process.
734
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:26,550
Thank you, because I want to take it to
the next group.
735
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:29,010
It's always great to see a cat change.
736
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:32,310
It's almost more amazing to see a human
change.
737
00:43:32,590 --> 00:43:36,430
Even though I've worked with a lot of
cats in the veterinary hospital.
738
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,520
I do not feel like a failure like I did
before.
739
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:43,580
The tools that we've been given and the
insight we've been given helps us to see
740
00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:44,580
results.
741
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,560
I feel the exact opposite that I did
three months ago when I wanted to get
742
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,200
of Riley. I was absolutely fine with her
being gone, and today she's a fixture
743
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,380
of our home, and I love her. She's a
good cat.
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