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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,670 --> 00:00:04,310 Oscar bites and claws at me. 2 00:00:05,370 --> 00:00:10,830 Something is not right in his head. He started howling. It sounds like a baby 3 00:00:10,830 --> 00:00:11,830 distress. 4 00:00:12,390 --> 00:00:16,850 I can't keep living like this. I'll probably have to go to a shelter where 5 00:00:16,850 --> 00:00:17,850 they'll put him down. 6 00:00:20,570 --> 00:00:22,550 We own a cat. Her name is Riley. 7 00:00:23,310 --> 00:00:27,390 We don't know if she's bipolar or just angry. 8 00:00:28,930 --> 00:00:30,930 I'm a veterinary technician, but... 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,580 She's kind of a hard case to crack. 10 00:00:39,260 --> 00:00:40,420 I'm Jackson Galaxy. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,100 I'm a musician by night and a cat behaviorist by day. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,380 I've met cats with all kinds of problems. 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,940 But I've never met one I couldn't help. 14 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:58,800 Oh, hello. In my career, I've worked with thousands of cats one -on -one, 15 00:00:58,860 --> 00:01:02,860 analyzing their behaviors and retraining them and their guardians. 16 00:01:03,460 --> 00:01:07,800 When relationships are at an end, I don't have many more options than to 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,620 leave. And cat guardians have reached their emotional limit. Just get rid of 18 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:13,360 her. I'm their last hope. 19 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:19,080 Are you all right? 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Sorry, I don't know. Cats have nine lives, but humans only have one. 21 00:01:38,990 --> 00:01:40,770 I'm on my way over to see Travis and Diane. 22 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:46,210 These guys have joint custody of a sphinx cat named Oscar, and he is 23 00:01:46,210 --> 00:01:47,290 all hours of the day and night. 24 00:01:48,090 --> 00:01:52,650 He's peeing all over the house. He's driving his guardians insane with his 25 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:53,650 behavior. 26 00:01:56,330 --> 00:02:00,550 And they told me that if I can't do anything, Oscar's on his way to the 27 00:02:00,730 --> 00:02:04,050 A cat like Oscar goes into the shelter. He doesn't come out again. 28 00:02:04,330 --> 00:02:06,770 His life is on the line. I got to get over there. 29 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,068 I'm Diane. 30 00:02:08,070 --> 00:02:08,908 And I'm Travis. 31 00:02:08,910 --> 00:02:10,669 And we've been best friends for four years. 32 00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:16,250 We are co -parents to a beautiful six -year -old Sphinx cat named Oscar. 33 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:19,890 I had Oscar for the first four years of his life. 34 00:02:21,610 --> 00:02:25,670 Then Diane went on a work trip and asked me to babysit Oscar for a while. 35 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:29,290 But when I got him home, he started howling. 36 00:02:30,430 --> 00:02:32,850 It sounds like a baby in distress. 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,260 I work from home a lot, and I spend a lot of time on the phone. 38 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:40,240 And Oscar bellows and yells and screams. 39 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,520 Oscar makes it very difficult to work from home, and that ends up costing me 40 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,478 money. 41 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,260 I've had Oscar and these problems now for two years. I feel like Diane tricked 42 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:54,420 me, and I didn't hear many of the negatives. 43 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:58,580 It was just about what a great caddy he was. I just said to him, Diane, I can't 44 00:02:58,580 --> 00:03:02,280 keep living like this, so you should take him back, and at that point it was. 45 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,440 I can't because he's too difficult to handle. 46 00:03:05,660 --> 00:03:09,220 Now I keep him, but then when I travel for work, I leave him here with Diane. 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,640 He's a really endearing cat, but I don't feel like I can ever leave because he 48 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:14,760 makes Diane's life miserable. 49 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:20,200 Something is not right in his head. He has bad, negative feelings towards me. 50 00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:22,900 Oscar bites and claws at me. 51 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:26,140 Blood will actually come through my clothes. 52 00:03:31,850 --> 00:03:36,550 The problem is Oscar despises me because I'm the one who maintains his 53 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:37,550 cleanliness. 54 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:41,710 He looks at me like I'm going to be the one picking at him. 55 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:46,250 If we can't get him to stop doing all this crazy stuff, then I can't work. I 56 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:47,089 can't travel. 57 00:03:47,090 --> 00:03:51,810 Diane doesn't want to take him. He'll probably have to go to a shelter where 58 00:03:51,810 --> 00:03:52,810 they'll put him down. 59 00:03:57,930 --> 00:03:58,930 Jackson, hello. 60 00:03:59,230 --> 00:04:02,550 How are you? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi. Hi. I'm Diane. 61 00:04:02,810 --> 00:04:05,710 Nice to meet you, Diane. Nice to meet you. And it's Oscar. 62 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:07,270 Hi, baby boy. 63 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:08,970 Hi. 64 00:04:09,150 --> 00:04:15,010 I think Jackson just has a sixth sense with Oscar. Right away, Oscar was drawn 65 00:04:15,010 --> 00:04:16,029 to Jackson. 66 00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:19,050 I'm really excited to see what he's going to have to say about Oscar. 67 00:04:19,310 --> 00:04:20,310 Let's get down to it. 68 00:04:20,709 --> 00:04:22,250 Why is Oscar ruining your life? 69 00:04:39,660 --> 00:04:42,140 So he's totally cool with you? Yeah. 70 00:04:50,350 --> 00:04:53,970 Because I think he really uses his voice. He uses the screaming to leave 71 00:04:53,970 --> 00:04:56,490 alone. So you can't give him a bath. You can't cut his toenails. You can't 72 00:04:56,490 --> 00:04:57,490 because he knows the screaming. 73 00:04:57,870 --> 00:04:59,730 Everybody will stop and let him go. 74 00:04:59,950 --> 00:05:01,950 He'll scream, but you'll still give him a bath. 75 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:07,730 Spinks needs baths every week. I don't believe he needs a bath every week. I 76 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:11,090 probably have a different opinion on how to raise animals because I grew up on a 77 00:05:11,090 --> 00:05:14,550 farm. I think it irritates his skin to give him a bath all the time. 78 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,900 Sphinx are nearly hairless. They secrete a lot of oil out of their skin, and 79 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:23,880 they need to be bathed at least once a week. This feels like classic sort of 80 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,880 joint custody. 81 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,840 Also, Oscar is a spiteful urinator. 82 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:29,900 Okay. 83 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:34,960 So, the spiteful urinator thing. I mean, you know the cats don't operate the way 84 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:35,960 we do, right? 85 00:05:36,580 --> 00:05:39,760 For certain, cats don't spitefully urinate. 86 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:43,500 No, I think he does. You really think that he's trying to get to you? Yeah. 87 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,260 You will go in front of the litter box. 88 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,020 You will not go in the litter box. 89 00:05:48,420 --> 00:05:51,780 As long as you believe it, my job is to change your mind. 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,040 Okay. Even beyond the urine, I run most of my work from home, and so late at 91 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,720 night, I'm doing a lot of calls. 92 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,780 He howls and screams. 93 00:06:01,580 --> 00:06:03,220 Very loud fellow. 94 00:06:03,580 --> 00:06:07,020 A neighbor called in. You got a noise complaint from Oscar? From Oscar, yeah, 95 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:10,560 and it was like he didn't sound like a cat either. He sounded like a little 96 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,560 baby. 97 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:17,080 One unique thing about the Sphinx is that they are very much a look at me, 98 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,380 at me, I want to be the center of attention type of breed. And part of 99 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:24,480 the set of lungs these guys have on them. They can be really deceptively 100 00:06:24,700 --> 00:06:29,920 The big issue is Diane needs to be able to watch him. I travel for work, and if 101 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,940 he can't be watched by Diane, then I don't know where I can put him. 102 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:41,640 I spent the last... 17 years in shelters, if he's peeing, if he's 103 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,160 don't care where you bring him. He's not coming out of that place. If he dies, 104 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:47,000 we just got to fix this. 105 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:48,280 Yeah. 106 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,020 I read humans about as well as I read cats. And I'm telling you, there's a big 107 00:06:54,020 --> 00:06:57,880 level of resentment that I think Travis has towards Diane. Hey, listen, you 108 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,180 dumped this cat on me. And now you come back here and you say, I want to be a 109 00:07:02,180 --> 00:07:04,400 part of this. And why isn't he being nice to me? 110 00:07:04,730 --> 00:07:06,190 I think it's justified resentment. 111 00:07:06,470 --> 00:07:10,850 I want to see you guys hold him, okay? Let me see what happens with you. Oh, I 112 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:11,850 know. 113 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:14,270 Hey. He's also talky. 114 00:07:14,590 --> 00:07:15,590 How are you doing, buddy? 115 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:19,910 You put this cat in Travis's arms, and it's rockabye sweet prince. 116 00:07:20,630 --> 00:07:23,690 Look at that belly, too. That's fun, this little. 117 00:07:27,170 --> 00:07:29,030 And you give him over to Diane. 118 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:41,880 And this is every time. 119 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:42,900 Yeah, every time. 120 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:50,940 Poor Diane doesn't know what else to do but keep going. 121 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:59,720 Please respond to me while the whole time he's saying, just let me go, I 122 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,599 stand this. 123 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,740 What a crazy day. 124 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:03,260 I know. 125 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:09,700 I have felt that Diane has smothered Oscar previously and it was nice that 126 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:10,700 Jackson, 127 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:13,660 Oh, okay. 128 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,900 I know. I'm so sorry. 129 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:17,059 You look so sad. 130 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:19,640 I'm used to Oscar treating me terribly. 131 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,880 I love Oscar, and I really want to work this situation out. 132 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:29,660 It's very sad for me, too, because I mean, I know how much Diane loves Oscar. 133 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,740 Yeah, yeah, I know. The one thing that you notice from Diane spending any time 134 00:08:34,740 --> 00:08:37,340 with her is how sad she is. There's this insult. 135 00:08:37,870 --> 00:08:41,909 that every time he tries to touch him, love him, and say, remember me? Remember 136 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:42,909 what I used to be for you? 137 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:44,730 He says, we're not that anymore. 138 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:46,530 Of course, he said. I get it. 139 00:08:47,050 --> 00:08:48,370 Yeah, I'll show you the upstairs. 140 00:08:52,210 --> 00:08:53,210 This is nice. 141 00:08:55,030 --> 00:08:56,030 You work here. 142 00:08:56,330 --> 00:08:57,330 Mm -hmm. 143 00:08:58,270 --> 00:09:02,010 There's his little, pay attention to me, Purge. Yes. So he sits over there, and 144 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:03,010 he's like, hey! 145 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:07,440 That's right. This is where I'm finding the biggest issue. He'll come up here 146 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,060 and he'll look at me and then he'll start howling. It's definitely, you 147 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,480 it's very pertinent to the whole idea of I have to be able to work. 148 00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:18,080 I think a really interesting thing that Travis was showing to us was like, you 149 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,000 know, I've given this cat this great space to run around. And every night he 150 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,260 runs back and forth and then he bothers me. Well, you have to be a part of 151 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:28,980 getting that energy out of him. And then he's not going to scream at you. Does 152 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:30,220 he have his claws? 153 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,180 Not in the front. Oh, he's declawed. 154 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:34,820 Is he sensitive about his paws when you touch them? 155 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:35,979 He is with me. 156 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:37,060 He is with you. Well, 157 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,980 that's another whole ball of wax we've got to deal with in terms of the peeing. 158 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:43,920 All right, where's the litter box? 159 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,980 Oh, in the bathroom. All right. 160 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:49,480 So, is that him? 161 00:09:50,060 --> 00:09:52,100 Yes. Let's first take a look at the litter box. 162 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:55,820 I can pretty well tell you I think I know what's going on. 163 00:09:56,430 --> 00:10:00,210 Over the 15 years that I've been doing this, I've seen more and more declawed 164 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:04,570 cats see outside the box. What the cat does is they go into the litter box 165 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:07,390 the declaw, they step into the litter, and they go, ow! 166 00:10:08,010 --> 00:10:09,270 Their paws hurt. 167 00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:13,270 Do what you would normally do with him. I wanted to see Diane interact with 168 00:10:13,270 --> 00:10:14,550 Oscar without Travis around. 169 00:10:14,810 --> 00:10:15,990 Do the pet that you would normally do. 170 00:10:19,790 --> 00:10:20,790 Hey, bud. 171 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:23,170 Bing. 172 00:10:24,380 --> 00:10:30,760 As soon as you bring in that over -touch, he says, it's overstimulation. 173 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,220 all it is. Diane clearly smothers and overstimulates Oscar even when he's 174 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:37,640 screaming for her to stop. 175 00:10:37,940 --> 00:10:43,080 So, Travis, you've got to do some of the stuff that's causing him to really 176 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,080 dislike her. 177 00:10:44,180 --> 00:10:49,600 You've got to be the tough parent. So your homework that I want you to do is 178 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,600 bathe him. 179 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,240 And, Diane, I want you to release. 180 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:55,980 some of the stuff that you have to do. 181 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,380 Diane's homework is infinitely more difficult than my homework. 182 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,780 My homework is to do nothing and let Oscar come to me. 183 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:05,540 I have to throw him in a bucket of water and, like, clean his toes. 184 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,360 We have to even out this classically negative association with you. We're 185 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,500 rebuilding right now. 186 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,100 Co -parenting a cat is a unique situation, but it can work. 187 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:19,800 But Travis and Diane have to be on the same page about how to parent Oscar. I'm 188 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,619 going to... 189 00:11:20,620 --> 00:11:23,940 I recommend a litter for you guys to use, just smaller pieces. 190 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:26,120 And I'm going to have you add another litter box. 191 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,080 Unfortunately, we see it with declaws all the time. What happens is we say, I 192 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,940 don't want him scratching the furniture. We declaw him, then they pee on the 193 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:35,800 floor. You think it's because he has a declawed? Yeah, totally. 194 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:39,500 I think there's discomfort in his paws. I found that to be very interesting 195 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:44,620 because we've both battled with this for years. And I've never, from reading and 196 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:47,700 following up and trying the different things, I've never heard that. 197 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:50,020 Now, about the owling. 198 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,680 If you can just get him worn out, you're not going to get the, hey, because he 199 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,020 can't just entertain himself. You've got to be part of the equation. 200 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:58,700 That's it for your homework. 201 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,460 So I'm going to take off, all right? 202 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,920 I thought Jackson was great, but if this doesn't work, then, yeah, we'll have to 203 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,860 consider taking him to a shelter where they'll probably put him down. 204 00:12:16,750 --> 00:12:21,030 Two weeks ago, co -parents Diane and Travis really had their hands full. 205 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:24,790 was getting attacked by Oscar because she was the only one bathing him. 206 00:12:25,790 --> 00:12:29,950 And Travis' job was basically on the line because of Oscar's yowling. 207 00:12:30,990 --> 00:12:35,350 So I gave them homework, which included changing Oscar's litter box, having 208 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:40,030 Travis do the playing and the bathing, and I had to have Diane step away for a 209 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:43,710 couple of weeks and not smother Oscar so much. Let's see how they worked out. 210 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,820 Hi, Jackson. Hey there. How's it going? 211 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,119 It's going good. 212 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,980 I see tremendous progress with Oscar, and I think, Jackson, I'll be pretty 213 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:55,740 pleased. What I want to do now is I want to take a look at your homework that we 214 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:58,360 did last time. You sent me some great footage. 215 00:12:58,900 --> 00:12:59,900 Let's just watch. 216 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:01,940 It's like fishing. 217 00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:03,820 Very curious. 218 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,480 What is that thing that I play with every day? 219 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,260 That was really good. Now tell me what you're noticing. 220 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:15,040 When I start to work, if he seems like he's starting to get fidgety, I'll play 221 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,360 with him a little bit, even while I'm on a conference call. 222 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:21,580 By and large, you're not getting the back and forth, back and forth thing? 223 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,220 Right, like he has not once ran around. 224 00:13:25,540 --> 00:13:31,080 It's amazing. Travis was very specific that Oscar hasn't screamed at all. Now 225 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,080 that's some progress. 226 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,460 I've been sitting back and letting Oscar come to me. 227 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:45,210 You know, my homework was to not, you know, pet him and not bug him. And he 228 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:49,610 already trusts me more just in these last two weeks from the last time that 229 00:13:49,610 --> 00:13:54,030 were here. That's clear. As we're sitting talking about their progress, 230 00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:59,690 jumps up and he actually solicits attention from Diane two weeks ago. 231 00:14:01,330 --> 00:14:04,170 And now he's coming up there and saying, hey, you're all right. 232 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:06,990 That's an amazing turn of events. 233 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:10,550 I think you put too much. I put too much. 234 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,360 You brought in the new litter box. 235 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:14,840 Wonderful. Show me. 236 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:16,180 Sounds great. Let's do it. 237 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,640 So this is brand new litter, right? Yep. 238 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,420 This is the one I recommended to you, which is much finer than the other 239 00:14:23,420 --> 00:14:24,299 that he uses. 240 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:29,220 Being a declaw, he's got sensitive paws, and going into that box affected him. 241 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,260 There's proof positive. Last time I was here, we talked about, Diane, your 242 00:14:33,260 --> 00:14:35,300 notion of spiteful peeing. 243 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:37,120 Yes. And what are we seeing now? 244 00:14:37,420 --> 00:14:41,360 He hasn't gone at all. At all? No, not one. Which tells you. 245 00:14:43,790 --> 00:14:45,630 He doesn't spitefully urinate. 246 00:14:46,330 --> 00:14:48,770 He doesn't spitefully urinate. Exactly right. 247 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:52,350 Travis and Diane added a different type of litter to the litter boxes. 248 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:56,310 In two weeks, he hasn't peed outside the box just by changing litter. 249 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:57,730 Case done. 250 00:14:57,950 --> 00:15:01,730 There's always stuff that you're not seeing. So I want to grab my blacklight. 251 00:15:01,730 --> 00:15:05,810 Travis and Diane are telling me that Oscar hasn't peed anywhere outside the 252 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:06,810 in two solid weeks. 253 00:15:06,950 --> 00:15:10,510 They had to bring out my blacklight. I wanted to explore the litter box. 254 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:12,790 He was doing a lot of it out here. 255 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,100 All right, so he would go here in this area. 256 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,260 About the toilet, nothing. 257 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:25,800 Anything right by your feet? 258 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Good. 259 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,500 And even right next to the box, zero. 260 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:38,960 You're not lying. 261 00:15:39,140 --> 00:15:40,640 Sure enough, there was nothing. 262 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:46,000 This, what he's doing here, is something that I want to work on because this box 263 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,880 is only so big. And there's so much litter in here. This just looks like 264 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:50,900 getting on his paws maybe. 265 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,540 Maybe something you don't want around the rest of your house. You're certainly 266 00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:55,540 right. 267 00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:58,460 Overall, though, amazing news. 268 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,800 Congratulations. You want to shake my hand on it? Maybe later. Maybe later. 269 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,380 He really knows the litter box now. And I wanted to show them by showing them 270 00:16:08,380 --> 00:16:09,460 what he had gifted. 271 00:16:12,510 --> 00:16:16,210 I gave Travis the sole homework of being the bather. 272 00:16:17,230 --> 00:16:18,230 Good. 273 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:21,030 Oh, I know. 274 00:16:21,130 --> 00:16:25,010 All right, guys, some great stuff in there, and some stuff that needs some 275 00:16:25,090 --> 00:16:30,670 So let me break it down for you. The great stuff I saw from you was your 276 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:32,910 was full of reassurances. 277 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:37,970 Now, on the other hand, what I didn't see from you was the full Monty. I mean, 278 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:38,990 you've got to give him a bath. 279 00:16:39,490 --> 00:16:41,590 And on that note, sit there for a second. 280 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,580 I got something I want to show you guys, okay? 281 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,820 So I left the room for a minute to come back with my present for these guys I 282 00:16:47,820 --> 00:16:48,820 was kind of excited about. 283 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,979 All right. 284 00:16:49,980 --> 00:16:52,060 Wow. Obviously you can tell what this is all about. 285 00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:54,860 Jackson came in with this big tub. 286 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,320 It's great to break the association with the kind of cold metal thing. I think 287 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,320 it'll be really cool. 288 00:17:00,580 --> 00:17:01,580 Let's take a little trip. 289 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,880 Diane's methods in terms of bathing Oscar are obviously wrong. 290 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:10,040 Travis, although he's trying, is not doing it correctly either. So I'm going 291 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,480 take them to a professional groomer today to show them how to properly bathe 292 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,480 sphinx. 293 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:18,299 Hello there. 294 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:22,480 Hi. This is Travis and this is Diane. Nice to meet you. Hi. And this is Oscar. 295 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:27,200 Sphinx need to be bathed once a week. Because they have oilier skin, sphinx 296 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,740 more prone to feline acne. Therefore, proper skin maintenance is a must. 297 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:32,380 And we have Oscar. 298 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:38,100 Okay. We got to teach the guy that once a week or so, his face has to get 299 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:41,720 washed. Okay, I agree. So let's go ahead and place him here on the table. It's 300 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,680 so crucial for Diane, first of all, to see the way that she handles him right 301 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,200 now is completely wrong. And she now needs to redefine her physical 302 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:51,959 with him. 303 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,380 Simple hypoallergenic shampoo. 304 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:54,880 Something that doesn't have a scent. 305 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:56,700 Diane and I have always had differences. 306 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:59,370 on how to bathe or groom Oscar. 307 00:17:59,590 --> 00:18:01,890 The big part, though, was also how to do it. 308 00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:04,890 Any 309 00:18:04,890 --> 00:18:20,450 time 310 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:22,290 that he goes to the sink for a bath... 311 00:18:24,399 --> 00:18:25,440 I've seen the cat go. 312 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Slowly put him in. 313 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,720 Insane. 314 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:46,660 On a sphinx, you've got to imagine that without the hair. 315 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,640 He made a little bit of noise. That's how he knows how to get out of things, 316 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,000 she wouldn't let him out. Did you see how I placed him in? 317 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,240 Yep. Okay. 318 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,720 That's the only way to do it. Slowly put him in. Let his head touch. Kind of 319 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,380 work from behind to front with a cool washcloth. Kind of going from the neck 320 00:19:09,380 --> 00:19:10,380 down. 321 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:13,500 Okay. Just to get the water all over the body. 322 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,479 I know. 323 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,960 They're going to scream. They're going to try to squiggle. They're going to 324 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,160 wiggle and try to move out. They are going to do that. After a while, he'll 325 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,660 that this behavior is not good. 326 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,260 This is a pretty huge moment because he's getting this back. He does his 327 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:33,040 every now and again. It's really just a lot of noise and nothing else. 328 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:34,920 Yeah, he's perfectly fine. He's fine. 329 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,320 Now, with a cup. 330 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,220 You can go ahead and rinse them off. I think Jackson's idea of going to the 331 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:42,640 groomers was really great because one of the big issues that we've had going 332 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,400 forth is what kind of maintenance he needs and how it should be done. 333 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,100 And so we got a lot of the questions resolved today. 334 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,360 I thought we had a great time today. 335 00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:54,840 Shonda was fantastic. 336 00:19:55,340 --> 00:19:58,680 I'd like you to take the lessons that you learned from her and apply it here 337 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,320 because we really do have to undo the trauma. 338 00:20:01,940 --> 00:20:03,880 And I will talk to you guys in a couple weeks. 339 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:08,260 The next time I come back here, I expect to see Travis and Diane complete the 340 00:20:08,260 --> 00:20:12,060 picture that I have in my mind of co -parenting, which is they both bathe 341 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:16,340 Not only do they bathe him, they use the things that I brought in today to just 342 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:20,740 create a new experience for Oscar. Within a few weeks, he's just going to 343 00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:22,220 have the repetition of trauma. 344 00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:30,440 I'm about ready to go in for my last visit with Travis, Diane, and their 345 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,520 cat, Oscar. I really feel like if they just stayed the course. 346 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,260 that we're going to see complete success. 347 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,480 But I don't know. I'm about to find out. 348 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:39,420 Hello. How's it going? 349 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Look who's back. 350 00:20:40,780 --> 00:20:41,339 How are you? 351 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:45,160 The last time I was with Travis and Diane and their cat, Oscar, we were at 352 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,600 groomers. He did pretty well, but that cat has a set of lungs on him. 353 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:54,680 So I want to see you bathe him one more time. I want to be a witness to it. 354 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,020 Now, I asked Travis and Diane to bathe him again. 355 00:20:58,780 --> 00:21:01,720 Is he going to get through the bath again? Is he going to scream his head 356 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,720 don't know. 357 00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:11,010 Here, let's... Excited? 358 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:12,730 All right. 359 00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:17,650 Wait, wait, wait. Let him get comfortable real quick. 360 00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:19,930 There we go. 361 00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:21,450 All right. 362 00:21:23,050 --> 00:21:24,050 Isn't that fun? 363 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:37,939 That's amazing. 364 00:21:37,940 --> 00:21:38,940 It really is. 365 00:21:38,980 --> 00:21:40,420 He's not disturbing the neighbors. 366 00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:43,160 He's not disturbing me, that's for sure. Yeah. 367 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:47,440 During the whole time, you know, he had a little bit of moaning and a little bit 368 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,560 of, oh, I don't want to be here. 369 00:21:48,780 --> 00:21:51,040 But there was not the Oscar scream. 370 00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:57,380 He just knew this was something I have to get through. But because they were 371 00:21:57,380 --> 00:22:01,280 building a new association for him, he also knew that it was going to end. In 372 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,120 terms of what I saw the last time, what I heard. 373 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:08,280 The first couple times, this is a night and day difference. 374 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,120 It's a huge difference. 375 00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:11,760 Yeah. Let me scratch my nose. 376 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Thank you. 377 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:15,580 Now that's teamwork. 378 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,799 That's right. 379 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,860 Travis and Diane, just a few weeks ago, in terms of co -parenting, they couldn't 380 00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:22,540 have been on any further plane. 381 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,480 But it seems completely different now, and they got the job done. 382 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,840 So now you both did the bathing together. That was good. 383 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:33,360 We're getting along quite nicely. And my relationship with Oscar has really 384 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,080 changed. He comes, sits on my lap now. 385 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,640 It's pretty amazing, actually. 386 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,900 You like this, Oscar? 387 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,160 I've just never seen him so relaxed with me before. 388 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,219 I know. 389 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:45,620 It's completely different. 390 00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:50,180 Right now, you've got a cat that's half asleep while Diane pets him. No hissing. 391 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,520 No biting. 392 00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:55,380 No peeing. Is that him? No yowling. 393 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,520 No nothing. 394 00:22:57,660 --> 00:23:01,280 I mean, these guys can't take for granted the magnitude of this change. 395 00:23:01,540 --> 00:23:02,920 How many times has he hissed? 396 00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:06,230 After secured. 397 00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:09,610 We never thought that we could be in such a good place. 398 00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:13,010 Again, you guys have done an amazing job with him. It was great to meet you. 399 00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:17,350 When we first started this process, he was miserable when I was around. 400 00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:19,530 Now he trusts me. 401 00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:22,550 Now it's a really pleasant experience to have him around. He's fun. 402 00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:24,270 He's honestly like a new cat. 403 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:26,110 Oh, baby, what? 404 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:41,220 I'm on my way over to see Vincent and Esther. They've got this cat named Riley 405 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:42,800 that's suddenly turned violent. 406 00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:46,320 Now, Esther is a veterinary technician. 407 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,540 She can't even figure out what's going on. So I'm on my way over to see if I 408 00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:52,500 just help them put together these puzzle pieces. 409 00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:55,940 Hi, I'm Vincent. And I'm Esther. 410 00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:57,860 And we've been together three years now. 411 00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,500 Married for a year and a half. 412 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,520 And we own a cat. Her name is Riley. 413 00:24:02,540 --> 00:24:04,240 I got her from the veterinary hospital. 414 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,240 I'm not a cat guy. I'm a dog lover. And when I saw Riley, I fell in love with 415 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,500 cats. She was cuddly. She was cute. You could hold her in the palm of your 416 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,720 hands. And then one day, I just all did a 180. 417 00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:15,820 Baby, be good. 418 00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:21,680 Ow. We don't know if she's bipolar or just angry. 419 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Be good. 420 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:24,820 Ow. 421 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,840 She bathed. Yeah, she got me. 422 00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:32,420 I'm a musician. 423 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,820 And I'm a veterinary technician. 424 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,160 Which means that I should know more about cats and their behavior. 425 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,100 So I definitely feel like I'm failing our cat. 426 00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:48,140 Sometimes when I get home, Riley and I get into it right away. 427 00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:50,900 I'm in a terrible mood. 428 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:55,280 Esther comes home. There's friction right there, which is the only source of 429 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,380 friction. Riley the cat. 430 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,680 What happened? 431 00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:59,220 She's just too bad. 432 00:25:01,930 --> 00:25:05,750 There have been times that I've just told her, just get rid of her. Just give 433 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:08,170 her to somebody that will deal with this properly. 434 00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:13,350 It would be very hard for me to let Riley go to another family. It would 435 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:17,510 like I was the biggest failure because she's so loving. 436 00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:22,110 When you have an animal under the same roof as you and you can't get along with 437 00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:24,470 it, it's taxing on a marriage. 438 00:25:24,770 --> 00:25:29,430 It would be nice if Jackson could help us get that harmony that just is not 439 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:30,430 right now. 440 00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:40,300 I'm about to go in and visit Vincent and Esther and their cat Riley for the 441 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:43,740 first time. Now, I've heard that Riley is a handful. She's incredibly 442 00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,880 aggressive. I've got a feeling I've got my work cut out for me. 443 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,920 Hey. Hi. 444 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,440 I'm Esther. 445 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:59,000 Hey, Esther. I'm Jackson. I'm Vincent. Hey, Vincent. Nice to meet you. We 446 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,480 definitely were very hopeful of Jackson being able to come in here and help. 447 00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:07,120 It's always the big question mark of, like, Oh, gosh, are we going to have 448 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,660 weird cat that can't be helped? 449 00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:13,660 Oh, I'm glad I could get here because I heard things were not lovely here. 450 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,140 Yeah, it's been a little rough. 451 00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:16,460 Tell me about her. 452 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:23,600 Well, we got her as a kitten. She was great until she passed teenagerhood into 453 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,980 being a big cat, and then she turned into a wild schizophrenic. 454 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,760 She's part loving and part... 455 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:36,430 Just on a dime, man. She's just impossible to handle or read. 456 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:37,830 What? 457 00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:44,950 You have faith in the fact that the way you handle her is proper and everything? 458 00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:46,390 I mean, I'll see you do it later, but... Yeah. 459 00:26:46,790 --> 00:26:47,990 No way. Not me. 460 00:26:48,530 --> 00:26:51,570 There's been times where I'll put her in a towel, and I'll just restrain her 461 00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:54,290 like that forever, you know, hoping that she'll see I'm her caregiver. 462 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,810 You know what I mean? It's inappropriate, I know. And I am an 463 00:26:57,810 --> 00:27:01,490 it's driving me nuts that I'm at this point. That she pushes your butt. Yeah, 464 00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:02,570 course. It's ridiculous. Yeah. 465 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,920 He's saying he's sorry. Well, sorry doesn't really cash the check because 466 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,880 the thing, you keep doing it. There's another issue entirely is the potty 467 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,880 training thing. 468 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:15,140 Oh, you potty trained your cat? 469 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:16,440 Dude, it worked. 470 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,720 Cats are not meant to go in the toilet. They're meant to go all over the place 471 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,920 and mark the entire territory. To me, it's one step away from training your 472 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,780 to ride a unicycle and juggle chainsaws at the same time. It's an insult. 473 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:36,310 After plays with her. Then she flips over and, like, kicks and bites. 474 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:43,170 Do you ever get bit at work, scratched at work? 475 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,150 I've rarely been bitten at work. 476 00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:47,470 So you come home and you get beat up. 477 00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:49,690 It's got to be frustrating. 478 00:27:50,110 --> 00:27:53,390 Well, sometimes coworkers will be like, oh, what cat got you? And I'll be like, 479 00:27:53,530 --> 00:27:55,350 my own. 480 00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:58,830 I wanted to take a tour of the home, and I just wanted to see. 481 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:02,450 All the places that Riley has lashed out before. 482 00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:09,650 This is kind of a haven for her amongst those dads and whatnot. 483 00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:14,790 But this has also been a traumatic area, too. Tell me what. 484 00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:18,090 When her and I have been tussling or whatever, having a disagreement. 485 00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:20,590 A disagreement. Yeah, she'll, 486 00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:23,950 you know, make this her little nook. 487 00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:29,270 But this down here becomes a problem area for you. Yeah, and... Something 488 00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:35,070 in fear of is me reaching at her, you know, to pull her out. Why do you pull 489 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:39,810 out again? Just, you know, it's my shortcomings as a pet owner. 490 00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:42,510 It's ridiculous. I've never felt like this before about anything. 491 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:47,150 He will not let her be when she's under there. When she's stressed out, he feels 492 00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:50,330 like he must pull her out. Come through our hallway. 493 00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:53,570 Okay. Where we have the bathroom here. 494 00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:56,870 Okay. And... Infamous toilet. Allow me. 495 00:28:58,110 --> 00:28:59,110 She's pooping outside? 496 00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:02,930 No, she's in. No, no, she's now finally in. She's now finally in. We had to go 497 00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:08,250 revert back to the level previous to this one to get her to start 498 00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:12,190 doing it before we moved. You had a lot of work in there. We did. A lot of, you 499 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:17,610 know, my missteps were while, and I was simultaneously imploring Esther, can we 500 00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:18,830 just, can we just nix this? 501 00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:22,190 When the cat, I would walk in and all of a sudden it's on the floor. 502 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:23,670 I didn't handle that well. 503 00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:26,770 You know what I mean? I would immediately pick the cat up, like you 504 00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:29,510 you know what I mean? Like their nose in it? No, not their nose in it, but you 505 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:31,650 know what I mean? You would pick up the cat and go, what'd you do? You know what 506 00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:35,210 I mean? Like a dog. This did not work. This resulted in flailing. 507 00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,530 Probably more anxiety around the toilet. Like I said, you know, I'm hip to it 508 00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:43,830 all now. I get it. I understand my missteps, but I'm still, you know, I'm 509 00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:45,610 good with this. Okay. 510 00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:46,789 This is the bedroom. 511 00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:47,790 Okay. 512 00:29:48,270 --> 00:29:52,250 She loves to go under the bed and climb into the lining, almost like a hammock. 513 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,680 So there have been points where I've taken that bed and pulled it up and 514 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,500 the cat out and put her in a different room. You know what's really interesting 515 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:07,480 to me is that I can't imagine you getting to this place where you pull 516 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,340 bed up and pull her out of here. 517 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,100 Vincent's not picking up on the fact that every time he gets worked up, Riley 518 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:19,700 gets more worked up. By the way, I just can't help but looking at this. If I was 519 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:22,180 to go up to her right now, she may... 520 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:23,439 Freak out. 521 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,660 Well, you know you just invited them, so please. 522 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,880 What I do in approaching cats, first of all, let them introduce themselves to 523 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,280 me, and then I'll follow their lead. That's the important thing. 524 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,700 All right. 525 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:39,120 This is my look. The hand that feeds you. 526 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,700 There you go. Do it again. 527 00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:43,420 Now. 528 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:48,390 Now she got you. Yeah, yeah, she's definitely done a job on you before, 529 00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:51,790 It's very clear to me that there's something in the dynamic of Vincent and 530 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:55,970 Riley's relationship that is to blame here. Can you switch for a second? 531 00:30:56,530 --> 00:30:57,530 Ralph! 532 00:30:58,650 --> 00:30:59,650 What's up, girl? 533 00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,050 Hi. Oh, I know. 534 00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:04,390 She'll probably want to play. There we go. 535 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:06,350 So this is how you two play. This is how she plays. 536 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:11,080 Okay. Now that I've seen the response that Vincent elicits and I've seen the 537 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,060 response that Esther elicits, it's time for me to get in there and see what I 538 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:15,639 can do. 539 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,480 What I'm going to do immediately is cut off escape, which I would never do to 540 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,500 you ordinarily, baby. 541 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,360 And I'm going to present hands kind of the way that I thought you'd do it. In 542 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,760 experience, when I approach with hands, it's limp, palm down, and not grabbing 543 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240 at something. You grab at them, they're going to grab back. 544 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,280 So, it's all in the hand. 545 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,040 What's that look that you're seeing right now? 546 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,260 She's definitely questioning what you're going to do with your hand. I think 547 00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:45,260 she's mad at your hand. 548 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,620 Did you see what happened there? Yeah. The minute you have a fist, her eyes 549 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:51,100 dilate. So we're going to mellow out again. 550 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,740 You see what happened? Did you see that? 551 00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:59,140 So as soon as my hand went down, I can breathe again, right? 552 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,740 Where do I got to push you to the point where you lash out? When I went from 553 00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:12,780 flat hand to fist, she did this to me. 554 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,840 Thank you for hurting me. That's cool. 555 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,580 Now I want to see, it's okay, baby. Lip licking, eyes looking for escape, ears 556 00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:27,100 flat. Lip licking is a sign of nervousness. Ears back, a defensive 557 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,660 which means she can attack at any time. 558 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,660 Now, her natural instinct at this point. 559 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,520 It should not just be fight. It should be flight. 560 00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:39,780 All right. 561 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,260 From that position, now you have escape. 562 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,080 You see? 563 00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:53,720 She's so fixed on that that she's not seeing escape. 564 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,700 She doesn't know better than to not corner herself. 565 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,120 This is one of our biggest problems right now because now... 566 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:14,150 I try not to ignite any friction between me and Riley, so I don't see that side 567 00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:17,730 of her very often. I don't see her in a corner with her ears back. I don't see 568 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:18,870 her striking like that. 569 00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:22,590 I don't try to ignite the friction either, just to clear up the record. 570 00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:24,390 If you don't mind, let's get out of here. 571 00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:32,890 Okay, so let me tell you the good, the bad, and the ugly. 572 00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:38,110 So, first of all, the fact that you get pushed to a point... where you flip that 573 00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:39,110 bed up. 574 00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:44,330 We saw in there that really concerning thing that I'd put a flat hand out, no 575 00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:45,350 problem. I'd fist up. 576 00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:48,370 And it was a huge problem. 577 00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:52,490 Yeah. This is threatening to a human. If I'm like this to you, you know. 578 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:55,410 This to a cat doesn't seem like it should. 579 00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:59,110 No. I'm telling you, this hand thing is learned. 580 00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:04,150 Something's happening here that is threatening the hell out of her. 581 00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:11,940 So your homework this week is pretty simple. I want you to start journaling. 582 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:17,080 she's going through her space and say, Zach threatened, put masking tape on the 583 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,840 floor in an X. So when I come over here next time, I see where those X's are, do 584 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,900 it. On the other side, I can't stand toilet training cats. 585 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,159 This to me serves no use except for you. 586 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,800 Get rid of it this week. Yeah. Now. 587 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:40,770 Vincent, I got to say this up front. I need to know when she pushes you, and I 588 00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:44,370 need to know exactly what you were thinking when you get to that place. Oh, 589 00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:48,330 got it, man. I'm going to document every thought, every moment. In the same 590 00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:50,989 time, put an end to hand play altogether. 591 00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:56,350 Yeah. No more playing with hands, no more pulling out with hands. So what 592 00:34:56,350 --> 00:35:00,950 means is you find those interactive toys that... 593 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,120 you can both be involved in. Because next time around, we're going to start 594 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,440 getting rid of all the things that threaten her. 595 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,460 Good? Yeah. You down? 596 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,540 All right. Thank you very much. 597 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,320 You're very welcome. Great to meet you. Good to meet you. Great to meet you. 598 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:20,040 Today I saw a cat that has obviously been conditioned towards fear. 599 00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:25,960 Now I got to get to the bottom of this. I have to find out how far Vincent has 600 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,660 taken this, but it's not going to be fun to find out. 601 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,500 So it's been a few weeks since the last time I saw Vincent and Esther and Riley. 602 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,140 Hey there, Vincent. 603 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,820 Nice to see you again. Yeah, you too. 604 00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:56,820 Hi. Now, the last time I was here, I left completely bloodied up. That cat 605 00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:00,720 whipping on me, so I didn't really know what to expect walking back in again. 606 00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,700 So, tell me a story. What's going on? 607 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,280 Well, we've been following the plan. 608 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,560 We've been handling Riley 90 % less. 609 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,840 Are you... Playing less with hands. 610 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,500 We've seen massive results right from the beginning. 611 00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:19,080 Riley has developed the best word for it. It's trust. 612 00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:24,740 Tons of trust. And I've watched it bloom into this beautiful play interaction 613 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:26,860 between the two of them. Nice. It's crazy. 614 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,100 Nice. 615 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,340 Let's do a quick hand check here. I always love to do this at the beginning. 616 00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,000 are you guys doing? Oh, yeah. I have no new fresh cards at all. No, no. None of 617 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,499 us do. 618 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,840 The first bit of big news was that there hasn't been any attacks. 619 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,060 I thought that in itself was amazing in the time that we've been gone, only 620 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,840 three weeks. I'm really excited to get to the video homework because you guys 621 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,940 did a lot in here, too. So let's take a look. 622 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,080 This is going all day long. 623 00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:10,190 I really love the fact that Vincent and Esther were playing with Riley plenty in 624 00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:11,190 this video homework. 625 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:15,690 The cat was just running with wild abandon, no hands involved, which is 626 00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:18,530 Remember, she's still scared of hands, but she still likes to fetch. 627 00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:20,210 All that was great to see. 628 00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:24,630 Good stuff. 629 00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:25,988 All right. 630 00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:30,290 So, with all the detail that we saw in the video, I'm absolutely excited to 631 00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:32,570 start walking around here, starting with these exes. 632 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,500 Last time I was here, I asked Vincent and Esther to start marking places on 633 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:41,440 floor, what I called hot spots, with X's where bad interactions were happening 634 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,440 with Riley. 635 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:44,620 Girlfriend. 636 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,220 So, tell me something. The last time we were here, we had a lot of moments in 637 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:53,440 here that I found kind of... I pull out a hand. 638 00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:54,740 Honey. 639 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,260 So as soon as I started gesticulating, just a little bit, I'd set her off. 640 00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:04,330 So we know exactly right now how halfway we are. 641 00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:08,490 That's information I needed to see as I put my hand in my back pocket. Look at 642 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:11,230 this. I looked over at Vincent and Esther. They were concerned. 643 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:16,590 I had to let them know this is only the 50 % mark of this process. We're going 644 00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:21,150 to see retreats like this. So let's go back to this crazy. 645 00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:25,470 cat algebra on the floor that we got going on. The best way to do this is to 646 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:27,530 come out here, and I'll show you what this was. 647 00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:31,030 This door, this door was right here. 648 00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:33,430 See, she's doing it right now. She's trapping herself. 649 00:38:33,850 --> 00:38:36,770 See that? Yeah. Hey, baby, I'm going to put this there. 650 00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:38,830 That was just about there. 651 00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:40,550 Sorry. 652 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:43,130 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait one sec. 653 00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:45,090 Look what's happened. Yeah, right? 654 00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:46,428 Yeah, it was a hand. 655 00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:47,430 It was a hand. 656 00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:48,870 And then she came out. Right. 657 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,460 Last time something like that happened, the cat froze in the corner and started 658 00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,780 lashing out like a trapped animal, which she was. 659 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,800 This time, she chose escape. 660 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,620 That in itself is a game changer. You went down there with a hand in the 661 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:05,040 picture. She was like, oh, I want out. That's amazing. Give me some. 662 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,540 Riley seems to be on the right track, but she's still scared of hands. 663 00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:11,400 I had to talk to Vincent. 664 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,200 He has been prone to fits of rage around this cat. I had to know if he followed 665 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,880 that rage all the way to the end and struck her. 666 00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:24,590 So, you know, you went flipping the bed and all that stuff. So when you did the 667 00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:28,170 bed, how did that end? What did that look like at the end? 668 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:33,430 At the end, it wound up me, you know, fishing her out by the back of the neck, 669 00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:36,990 you know. And I'm sure, no doubt, it was traumatizing. 670 00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:40,050 It doesn't make sense. 671 00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:46,130 I mean, because honestly, I got to know at some point if you hit her. 672 00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:52,200 No. You've never hit her? No, I've never hit her. I've whipped her up. I've 673 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,020 picked her up by that back of the neck quite a few times, you know. 674 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,200 You would scruff? 675 00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:00,640 Hold that one more time, because me and you are both doing it right now. She's 676 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,440 feeling that, right? The aura of a fist right on her person. 677 00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:09,360 Thank you. I mean, the thing is, you know it's wrong when you're doing it. 678 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,740 know it's counter -effective, but it's like... Well, first of all, thank you so 679 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:18,740 much for your honesty on this one. Of course. Thank you, man. No, but... 680 00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,060 I didn't put myself out there. You did. 681 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,560 So let's go rejoin Esther in the living room. Go over some homework. Cool. 682 00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:27,400 Of course I can feel for Vincent. 683 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,360 He's not an animal abuser. He's never struck the cat, but he has traumatized 684 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,200 her, and now we just have to move forward from there. 685 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,840 All right. Let's talk some homework now. Okay. I feel pretty strongly right now 686 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,740 because of the information you gave me. Thank you again. 687 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:42,100 Of course. 688 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:44,580 And now we get to counter -condition that. 689 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,420 Now we're going to start desensitizing and counter -conditioning the experience 690 00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:49,209 with hands. 691 00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:53,550 And that includes the fifth, but you're praising at the same time. So with all 692 00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:55,150 that, that's all your homework. 693 00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:57,650 I'm off, and I will see you very soon. 694 00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:59,750 All right. Sounds great. Take care. 695 00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:13,690 I'm going in for my last visit with Esther, Vincent, and Riley, and all I'm 696 00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:16,910 hoping for this time is a little bit of peace. I just want to make sure that 697 00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:18,410 Riley is grounded. 698 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,440 Is not attacking. And also, at this point, I'm hoping that hands are not the 699 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,980 thing to send her over the edge. 700 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:27,220 Oh, baby, what? 701 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:30,700 The bedroom. 702 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,260 The bedroom. Now, this has been the scene of many a tragic circumstance. 703 00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:45,360 Have you had any incidents with her in the corner? How has she reacted? She 704 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,360 really hasn't backed herself in any corners. 705 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,680 So big, it's so important. 706 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:55,380 What I really needed to see was Vincent using his hands with Riley, because if 707 00:41:55,380 --> 00:42:00,580 you go back to day one, all of the trauma was based around his fist 708 00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:01,580 her. 709 00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,360 Come here, baby. 710 00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:06,860 Come here, Ralph. 711 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,820 Come here. 712 00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:17,720 Hi, baby. Good girl. Hi. 713 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:20,460 Good girl. 714 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,820 Hands are no longer a problem for Riley. 715 00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:27,960 Closed fists, open hands, wiggle the fingers, no problem whatsoever. 716 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:31,600 I want to see this cool trick that you've done, fist treat. 717 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:35,500 Vincent told me something very interesting, that what he's been doing 718 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:39,640 my exercises one step further and presenting a prize in the fist. I never 719 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,060 thought of that. Look at that, baby. 720 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,100 What's in there? What do you think's in there? 721 00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:46,600 Oh, my God. 722 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,020 That was amazing, man. 723 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:50,940 Riley and I, we're buddies. 724 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,400 I handle her a lot less, and then when I do handle her, it's always positive. 725 00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:58,980 And now she's with you, and then I do my little sitting dance. Right, right, 726 00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:01,440 right. We do a little sitting dance on that one. 727 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,260 Vincent and Esther have done everything I've asked to help out their cat, Riley. 728 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,120 They've reconditioned her so she's not afraid of hands anymore. 729 00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:12,250 Vincent has changed his behavior completely around her, and therefore she 730 00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:14,930 doesn't corner herself and lash out in fear anymore. 731 00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:18,470 Thanks so much, dude. We couldn't have done this without you. It was amazing. I 732 00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:22,410 mean, I have so much gratitude for this. You know what? Me too, because I 733 00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:24,230 learned a lot through your process. 734 00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:26,550 Thank you, because I want to take it to the next group. 735 00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:29,010 It's always great to see a cat change. 736 00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:32,310 It's almost more amazing to see a human change. 737 00:43:32,590 --> 00:43:36,430 Even though I've worked with a lot of cats in the veterinary hospital. 738 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,520 I do not feel like a failure like I did before. 739 00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:43,580 The tools that we've been given and the insight we've been given helps us to see 740 00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:44,580 results. 741 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,560 I feel the exact opposite that I did three months ago when I wanted to get 742 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,200 of Riley. I was absolutely fine with her being gone, and today she's a fixture 743 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,380 of our home, and I love her. She's a good cat. 62710

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