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Let's talk Turkey.

When we talk about truth, there's a person's truth and then there's a drug's

truth, right? Those are very different things.

For a while, the country was transfixed when all of the chaos happened over the

two -and -a -half -man period that led to the tiger blood era and all of that.

You know, he's in the fight of his life here, right? And he was not sober.

And then, you know, he started to smell the fumes of some shit that was going

on. But now I think to have that same gifted

person being able to talk directly to us sober, the only thing I know

or feel myself very strongly is.

If you ask Charlie, did he do this?

He's going to tell you the truth.

It's a good day to be alive.

I've been able to re -embrace life through this program.

I want to thank my family for their support, my friends.

I want to thank my fans for all their support and their letters, kind words.

And the next time we do this, we'll be at a premiere.

He's in rehab, right?

And he, like, gives me a call. He's like, hey, they're letting us out.

So, of course, you know what he wanted to do?

He wanted to go to the baseball field.

Who brings him to the baseball field from rehab? It was Martin.

As we arrived, there was a game going on at the field. It's like a Sunday league

game. Of course, I'm egging him on to let Charlie play in the game, right?

And then finally, they see who it is. Oh, yeah, of course he can play.

And this is one of the best moments.

My man gets up during the game.

He hits a home run in front of his dad.

Just leaving rehab.

That does not happen. I could not believe that actually happened, man. I

had the ball, but... It's nice to have a second shot, you know, second chance.

And they say that success tasted the second time around is so much sweeter,

I plan on tasting that.

The parts that were being offered to me coming out of rehab were forgettable,

supporting shit.

I was looking for structure.

A nine -to -five job.

I was looking for consistency, and I was looking for something that just felt

like it would present its own rhythm, that I could just naturally kind of

into. You know, I'd grown up on sitcom television and a huge fan of it.

And always drawn to it as a medium that presented scenarios in a way that were

digestible. Okay, this is the most romantic disease I've ever had.

But felt harmless because of all the humor, you know, so you could still come

away with it touching some part of you, but without feeling like, you know, you

had to dig through, you know, to such a depth to find it.

And I got the call.

Let's start looking at alternative dump sites, all right? Bacon Lots, Barges,

New Jersey.

They're shutting down Spin City because of Mike's health.

Did you know of all the brain disorders, Parkinson's is the one that scientists

believe may be closest to a cure, yet we still need funding.

And they're thinking, would you be open to stepping in?

No, those aren't just big shoes to fill. Those are like stepping into the boots

of the fucking Jolly Green Giant.

What did you say your last name was again?

Whoa, let's not rush things.

And they built in a backstory that's pretty cool and pretty fucking funny

was the guy showing up that had a few skeletons, you know, and that was cool

because they were tying into us actually finally me being in on the joke.

about all the shit that everybody had read about and heard about.

So, this is what it's like to be the sober one.

I wonder why I was so unproductive in the 90s.

It was a good feeling for me because during Spin, West Wing was going on,

So Dad would come to the condo on Tuesday nights, I think, but we were

to watch Spin and then watch his episode.

And the ratings...

The next day, West Wing destroyed us.

I'm really nervous and excited, and I'm happy to be here. You think I'm

nominated for a Globe?

Not bad.

You remember what I taught you. Is that the first major award that you won

throughout your career?

It's the only one.

The only one?

That's it, yeah. I've never been invited before, and I'm with my lovely fiancée,

Denise.

Hi, I'm Denise Richard.

Charlie's jeans. Ben said it.

Denise, you were right. My lovely fiance had a dream I was going to win.

I know this girl named Denise.

She makes me weak at the knees.

I feel like so many people are going to be surprised that you would be in this

movie. Why are you here?

There's a lot of stuff that I know and I'm privy to that entirely knows that I

am. I want to be honest.

Peel the layers and be honest because otherwise this movie is going to be a

fluffy, you know, glossed over, sugar -coated piece of shit.

My dad brought my sister and I.

to see Platoon when I was a teenager because my father is a Vietnam vet.

And no offense,

my dad should have brought us to see, like, a movie with girls and makeup and

stuff. He brings his daughters to see Platoon.

And I said to my dad, would you ever have thought that bringing me and Nellie

go see Platoon, that I would marry that fucking guy?

Right?

I met Denise on a film set.

It's kind of a forgettable film called Good Advice. So we can enjoy the life we

deserve and more.

And more. It's an instant fantasy. Yeah, I mean, she was like the hottest woman

alive at the time. She was like beating around the bush and was shy.

And I was just like, spit it out.

Do you want to go out to dinner or what?

And then I think he got nervous about that.

That's the thing that people would be very surprised by. Charlie can be very

shy.

Then he told me about this game.

Are you a baseball fan?

She was like, no, not so much. I said, do you know who Barry Bonds is?

She was like, I've heard of him.

I said, well, he's on this epic record -chasing run right now. And the night

want to get together, he's going to be in Houston sitting on number 69. And

she's like, okay, what does any of that mean?

All it means is I can't miss this game. If you want to come over, we'll get some

takeout. I didn't want to be the reason why he missed that game. He didn't want

to cancel our evening together, which I thought was very sweet. And so against

what my dad advised me going over there, I still went over to Charlie Sheen's

house and watched the game with him.

We microwaved our plastic meals. I brought mine that I had delivered for my

delivery service.

He had his. He was on the zone diet.

I was on a different one. It was very romantic.

And we're watching the game, and like that entire season, I think he probably

walked his first two at -bats. And I remember it was later in the game, might

have been seventh or eighth inning. The pitcher made a mistake. He threw a

strike.

69 home runs for Barry Bonds. The 1 -1.

There it goes.

There it goes.

Number 70 for Bonds.

Over the right center field.

I think we both kind of saw that as maybe a sign of something.

And so the game ends, and we had a nice time together. I walked into the doors

of my condo in Westwood, and I said, well, excellent, cool. Let's do this

sometime soon.

No pressure.

He had a calmness about him, and he seemed very grounded.

I was not making that first move. A little bit old -fashioned that way, you

know?

He wasn't the guy that people read about. He was very different.

Especially sober.

You know, you're still trying to, like, figure out, like, how your body moved

through space, you know?

And she starts to turn away, and then she grabs the back of my head and just

pulls me into a kiss, you know? Yeah, it was on.

I didn't have sex with him that night. Well, what would you say if I told you

I'd leave you if you didn't let me?

There was just such a connection with you and I.

When Denise and Charlie were married, they both seemed so very happy.

I said, oh, he's going to be together with this woman for the rest of his

It's all there.

It's all there, and the bells are ringing.

My first guest, of course, stars in the hit sitcom Spin City, which will air its

hour -long season finale next Wednesday on ABC. Please welcome Charlie Sheen.

In that moment, life's pretty great.

Then we got the call.

Spin City.

Canceled.

Did you take that personally?

A little bit.

Yeah. Yeah.

We decided we're going to parlay that into putting the word out that I'm going

to continue in this space, and I want to have my pick of the litter.

And I get a call.

Chuck Lorre wants to sit down with you.

You have somehow hit the sweet spot. I think you've created two -thirds of the

television shows on the air. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry.

The idea for Two and a Half Men.

It involved two brothers, one of which was a Job character, the biblical Job.

He was a hardworking good man to which endless shit happened.

One of which was a Dionysian character, hard partying kind of guy. He was the

god of merriment and wine and sex and whatnot.

And when my partner on this project and I went to CBS to pitch the idea for Two

and a Half Men, I explained the character of one of the brothers as a

Sheen type character.

To which he said, can you get him?

Oh, is she staying over? Because I may have parked behind her.

I remember our first

shoot. He sort of took me aside and said, I want you to know, I know there's

lot of stories about me.

I've been sober for two years, and it's incredibly important to me to be

faithful to that.

And I'm really trying to change my life.

And I thought it was really interesting that he felt the need to express that to

me. He felt the need to say, I'm going to be serious about this. Don't be

worried. Sometimes in the middle of the day, for no reason at all, I like to

make myself a big pitcher of margaritas. Take a nap out on the Sunday.

Huh.

Charlie Sheen is an icon of decadence. I mean, just say his name and everybody

knows what that means.

So everybody expects the Lothario guy, this guy who's got the quip handy. He

could party all night, show up an hour late, breeze through makeup, saying

to everybody.

Who's always going to be the cool guy in the room. But you start to realize, oh,

OK, there's a lot going on there that he's covering.

Charlie's actually this mass of fears.

Once I understood that, I understood a lot more about Charlie. But he goes in

and out of being able to have a healthy way of dealing with that and then an

incredibly destructive way of dealing with that, which is, you know, the drugs

and the partying.

At the risk of dating myself, there was a Dean Martin quality, effortlessness.

He played a guy who was inebriated with great class, which Charlie did as well.

I think Charlie made what otherwise would be a disreputable character

Charlie's angels.

That's Charlie Sheen's brilliance.

That's his comedy chops.

That's his acting skills.

Let's have a look.

In my defense, it's a little cold in here.

I thought he was always going to maybe be more of a comedic guy because he had

that natural ability that you can't teach someone. He had that.

And he would love to have that last line before he walked out of the room.

You know, I didn't know how that television world worked, but I knew it

lot of work.

This is a support group job.

You're the only one who's pretending it's about scotch and cigars.

And even though I knew his humor, the way he was able to own the medium and

do it where he's leading a show, he's leading the comic timing with very good

displays.

I guess I was surprised and delighted by it.

You'll have to forgive my brother. He thinks with his penis, and his penis

very bright.

That's true. Anybody who knows me will confirm that.

This didn't build.

There was an audience for it almost immediately.

Hands off my wife.

Obviously, it was a huge hit right away.

Yeah, we kind of killed it out of the gate.

And I remember watching football that last Sunday before we hit the air.

We were every other commercial.

They were pumping us. Yeah.

It's difficult to sort of temper your confidence because it all feels so easy.

It's funny. This is funny. You know, it's easy to be funny. Everybody loves

And when it feels that easy, it's easy to sort of get lulled into the sense

it's always going to be this easy.

They brought the idea to me, how do you feel about having Denise on the show as

a romantic interest?

And I'm like, cool.

It's the easiest way not to get yelled at when you get home about kissing a

girl. Come to mama bumps me.

Can we make it come to Catholic schoolgirl?

Yes, Monsignor.

Hallelujah.

Denise, she struck me as somebody who was...

just way more practical than Charlie. She's the anchor he needs in his life.

Oh, look at what a good poopy you made. There needed to be a baby in the scene,

and we had Sam. She must have been a couple months old, and she was cooing at

the time. And the strangest thing happened where she didn't make a peep

our dialogue.

And Chuck pointed this out when he was in post with that episode that he said,

your daughter inherited your timing because she didn't speak over a single,

just a line, a single word between you and her mom.

Would you throw this away?

I could sense.

There were things that he was just never going to be that suburban and be more

of just a regular married guy.

I felt like it might be, you know, fighting against the tide.

What's wrong?

Nothing. At one point, Denise showed up unexpected, and I get this frantic knock

on my door, and it's Charlie.

I open the door, and I was like, hey, what's up? And he's, like, looking

frantically. I mean, the guiltiest look around. I mean, it's like a cliche.

And he said, hey, man, can you hold this for me? It's a...

brown paper bag and I'm like, what is it?

I'm not going to hold it. Is it legal? He said, no, no, it's legal. It's legal.

I said, oh, okay.

So I put it in my dressing room and I closed the door and the bag is just

sitting there looming and I was like, what could possibly be so embarrassing

that Charlie Sheen doesn't want his wife to see it? So finally I couldn't help

it and I looked in the bag.

It was legal.

It was barely legal, the porn magazine.

How? How do I push you away?

But I felt really bad that Charlie's relationship with Denise was going

You can't commit.

Hey, I can commit.

Oh, yeah?

Prove it.

As soon as the show started getting really successful, I think the pressure

that changed him.

It was almost like he was sabotaging the success.

and sabotaging our family. When things started to go good, I felt like things

were being sabotaged.

Just try one of these. It'll relax you.

Oh, perfect.

Charlie, you can't just pop a pill without knowing what it is.

She just said what it is. Thanks, Mom. Gotta go.

I was feeling squirrely, you know, and I was looking for anything that could be

justified but not completely derail what I was trying to do.

And pills showed up as the answer.

So I thought.

When you say pills, what are we talking about?

Hydrocodone, you know, like a Norco or a Vicodin.

It always starts with the doctor. And it's usually for some type of pain

somewhere in your body that you could probably navigate with just, you know,

Advil and ice.

Did you know yourself that you were an addict and that you were potentially

going down this road? Or how did you process it? You didn't think about it?

No, I thought about it, but I negotiated the hell out of it with myself, you

know. Yeah, okay, that thing went a little far.

But maybe if I just make these few changes here, I think it can be much

manageable. You know?

And that's the fiction that we start to embrace as reality.

You can see the soulless emptiness in that shark's eyes.

Two and a half men!

You can see the soulless emptiness in Charlie Sheen's eyes.

Sadly, the pills...

they do create a lot of just irrational anger.

When it started to change, it was quick.

I remember reaching out to his sponsor and saying I was concerned, but

people in his circle were like, it's your hormones, your postpartum.

Anytime I don't behave the way you want me to, you think it's hormonal.

Not every time, but you got to admit, there is a pattern.

I was like, no, there's something fucking wrong.

That's when I started to see that people in his life were trying to, I felt,

kind of pit us against each other, even though we were married and we had a kid

and another one, a baby on the way. And it was, that was very difficult for me.

And I'm not just this quiet wife. I, you know, I'm very, I'm a strong woman and

I'll, like something is not right.

Sheen versus Richards on Top NG, a California judge ordering Charlie Sheen

keep at least 300 feet away from his estranged wife, Denise Richards.

Yeah, I had the snap aggression because you're not mad at the person, you're mad

at the fact that the second dose you had to take just to get right, just to feel

kind of normal, didn't give you the pizzazz or the bump that the first two

three gave you.

And so you spend the whole day, night, weekend, whatever, just chasing that

of that first warm jet, like in an invisible jacuzzi. You're just warm

jets, you know? She got very kind of aggressive.

What she claims happened behind closed doors is remarkable.

The most explosive charge, Richard says Sheen threatened her life.

I mean, what I went through, what he did put me through.

I don't know how I'm here, to be honest. And I think the only way through

tragedy, what I was going through was having a fucking sense of humor about it

because it was so bad. It was so bad.

So, and we can joke around like stupid shit. I know the outside people would

think we're crazy making fun. Oh yeah, I remember when you took a baseball bat

to all the TVs and shit like that or whatever. And we talked, it's like, it

sounds horrible and very dark, but for us, it's...

That was the life getting through.

I think that if I wasn't a strong person, I would have gone down a very

road just to deal with all this shit. It was a lot.

I made it a lot more difficult than it needed to be, you know?

And I own that. And I'm not, I feel awful about that to this day.

Do you think he really even cares about the kids? The video's out forever.

No, no one wants to be down here. This isn't for publicity. This is

and humiliating, and it's for my kids.

At that time, Denise and Charlie had two daughters.

I said, if you're getting a divorce, it probably had to do with him being back

on something.

Denise and Charlie, it was like...

Unbelievable. But now what's unbelievable is how ugly and nasty the

battle between Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen has become. Because of the

problems Denise and I had when Lola was born, I didn't have a chance to, in her

early part of her life, to really bond with her.

I always wanted him to be sober growing up, just because you can't really have

a... real relationship with someone who is going through addiction it's really

hard because they're not in the right frame of mind and they can't really talk

to you the way that they would want to talk to you so yeah i i really was never

really close with my dad when i was younger

I was always the one who was told less, I think because they wanted to protect

me. I did want us to just pretend like everything was fine in front of the

It's not their fault we got divorced.

They didn't ask to be born into a broken family. They didn't ask to be born into

a family that is super public and all this shit.

Sorry.

No, I don't care if they record. It's okay.

No, they should record.

No, they should. You're doing a fucking docu -theory. They should. It's fine. I

don't care.

Because it's true.

If you're going to get the truth, get the fucking truth. The truth is, I feel

like my life with Charlie is three stages. It's the time I met him and

him.

Then my divorce and then the aftermath of it, you know, I'm sorry to get so

fucking emotional about it because It was a lot and I had to fucking

hold it together

Like

this

Ferris Bueller, day off.

Oh, you know what I remember him from, too, being young? Oh, he was the hot

football stud.

Lucas? Yeah. Because he was just the hot, because I loved Dirty Dancing. I

dancer growing up, so of course I remember him from that. Make sure we're

he wasn't in Dirty Dancing.

Oh, my goodness.

So, I think they literally had just gotten divorced, and then that's when I

him. She showed up like a lighthouse in a frickin' storm.

It was at a party at a friend's house.

We talked, just, you know, spent an hour together just to casually at that

party. Found out she was five years sober.

And I got her number, and we talked a few days later.

Then I went to her house, and we hung out, said goodnight. It was all very old

-fashioned, you know?

I just dug her spirit, man. I dug her life. I dug her energy.

When Charlie got remarried to Brooke, I was not able to be there because I was

on a movie, so my wife went. And my wife called me afterwards and said, oh, my

God, I have concerns, is what my wife said. She said, okay, I just want to

you the toast that Martin Sheen made at the wedding.

And I said, okay, I braced myself.

And he apparently stood up, said, I hope you two know what you're doing, and sat

back down.

That was the entirety of Martin Sheen's toast at Charlie Sheen's wedding.

Brooke is from Palm Beach. And I told the parents, don't let your daughter

him. I think he's wonderful, but he's a disaster. Don't let your daughter marry

him. You know how one thing leads to the next thing, and marriage and children.

When the boys were born, they both had these heart problems, and they couldn't

get the show to shut down.

So I was basically sleeping at the hospital and trying to learn my dialogue

there and going and checking on them.

all hours of the night, and then trying to show up for rehearsals and run

-throughs and, you know, on the phone with Brooke in between every take and

really generating a ton of resentment that the show still mattered that much

when the star's kids at birth were in tremendous peril.

I mean, the kids are fine. It was a temporary thing, and they got through

and they're tough as nails. But, yeah, at that time, it was...

Gary, man, you know?

I'm not placing any blame.

I'm just, you know, trying to trace kind of the way things developed

or unraveled or both.

I remember the night that nine years of no crack came to a tumbling, spectacular

close.

She's in the bathroom with this girl, and I can hear him doing blow.

And I start banging on the door.

And they're like, what do you want?

Don't be a party pooper.

And I said, if you're going to do this shit in my house, you need to stop

wasting it.

And you need to do it properly.

Let me show you how to cook this shit up.

And it was on.

Okay,

what's your name?

Brooke. And what's your husband's name?

It's Charlie Sheen.

This is Charlie Sheen's mugshot from the Aspen Police Department.

He spent much of Christmas Day on lockdown after his wife called cops to

rented vacation home.

It's important to note that there was a moment before I got on the plane to go

there where Dad, like, drove to the airport.

And I remember I was, like, walking to the plane.

And he says, don't go.

Do not get on this plane. I said, what, is it going to crash? He says, no.

No, but I just, he says, I've got a bad feeling about this.

So he was the messenger that was sent to prevent all that heartache, you know.

I can't talk too much about, because we don't really know what she, how she, if

she wants to speak to it, you know.

Tell me exactly what happened.

You know, my husband had me.

We went hard fat.

Here you are, husband and wife, in this tiny room, not leaving that

room because we're doing so many drugs for so long that everyone starts

crazy and paranoid and all kinds of bizarre behavior starts to happen,

unfortunately.

She blew a .13 blood alcohol level, which is legally drunk, and she has

a good part of that story. So the whole issue, I think, is really up in the air

right now.

You know, I quickly recanted it. You recanted it at the time? Oh, yeah. I

in, and that's how he got off.

Yeah.

Because I had to recant my story, and I remember the DA being very upset with

me. What do you mean you had to, though?

Well, if I didn't recant my story, then he could have gotten into a lot of

trouble.

Well,

of course, not only to my husband, but also I was so incredibly screwed up on

serious drugs for a very long time.

I can't sit there and say, oh, okay, I know for a fact this happened, and this

is how it happened, or anything like that, because of the mind. So once I

sobered up and I saw, whoa, what position did I put us in, and who the

I? Excuse my language.

And then I can't even recall.

It's not like I have these specific memories of the night, and I was like,

this happened.

And this definitely happened. And I'm the victim because of it. No.

In fact, I saw myself as very psychotic.

I have my part in it, sure.

Fuck yeah.

And I've made amends with Brooke about it over and over.

And, yeah,

we're past it.

It sucks that it couldn't have just stayed between us.

I don't think it's fair just to pick up these moments that Charlie's lowest and

define him as a human being based on those moments, especially with a history

substance abuse that alters your behavior and character.

After that incident, it just blew us apart.

The rocky marriage of Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller may be coming to an end.

Sheen filed for divorce from Mueller on Monday.

Gene was charged with domestic violence following a Christmas argument with

Mueller.

That was the first time I thought of leaving because I didn't want to enable

violence. And there was violence involved in that.

I think I had a talk with Chuck about it before sitting down for the table read.

And he said, you need to do the right thing. You need to gather everybody and

apologize. I said, I'm not doing that.

They have to.

Have that, you know, glom onto that with this big presentation that would have

just been a fucking performance piece anyway, you know.

I brought this shame on myself.

I hurt my wife, my kids, my mother.

Tiger Woods' career tanking after his scandal, but Charlie Sheen's career

off even as his troubles continue to pile up. Two and a half men topping the

ratings on Monday, just days after his assault arrest.

Charlie Sheen's not hiding himself, and the public has kind of accepted it.

Whereas a guy like Tiger Woods, we imagine him as this squeaky clean,

athlete. So he did something wrong, and the public turned against him

immediately. It makes enormous amounts of money for CBS in ad revenue.

$155 million last season, all told. They would rather not have to put up with

Charlie Sheen's behavior, but they're sort of stuck.

Les Moonves showed up to his house, he said, at 9 o 'clock in the morning with

the head of Warner Brothers Television, and they said, here's two statements.

Neither. We're putting out a statement that you've gone to rehab, and we are

going to resume filming when you come back.

Or this statement is, the show is canceled and we're done.

He's in the midst of falling apart in every way that I can imagine, and he's

renegotiating his contract for another year of a show that I'm supposed to be

on, too.

Charlie, it's Alan, your brother.

No big deal.

I remember saying, dude, I don't know, man. I'm just feeling emotionally done

there, you know? And I get there's a ton of money at stake, and I get there's...

A lot more juice to be squeezed out of this thing, but I don't know how much

juice is left in me.

And I do fear if I go back, it's going to go terribly wrong.

Said those words.

Apparently they had pre -sold a couple extra seasons of the show.

So, you know, it was worth their while to spend this astonishing amount of

on Charlie.

And it was a game of telephone.

Yeah, between Moonves, my lawyer, and myself, and us, you know, rejecting,

rejecting, rejecting, and really calling his bluff.

The dictator of North Korea was a guy named Kim Jong -il.

He acted crazy all the time and thus got enormous amounts of aid from countries

who were so scared of him that they would shovel money at him.

Well, that's what happened here. His negotiations went off.

the charts because his life was falling apart me who uh whose life

was pretty good uh at that time i got a third of that over here guys i am very

happy to have back because that's absolutely absolutely he's my he's my

here cbs was really asking for it and they got it charlie sheen has signed

a two -year deal to return to two and a half men at $2 million an episode,

making him the highest -paid TV star in history.

They made the biggest deal in history for any other actor on television, and I

think to date, actually.

After he made the contract, I was actually upset with his people.

Like, why are you guys putting him on a show right now? Like, he's not well. But

they just see the money and just want to keep on going.

It was all anybody can focus on, was that he was going to be the highest TV

paid star of all time.

Yeah, that was a lot.

It was just, it was too much money to give a guy like me in that, you know,

mindset at that time.

It was a recipe for disaster.

Where are we?

We're sitting in my condo in Hollywood, California, which I got

from Charlie while I was kind of like working for him.

I went from being a petty dealer to making so much money I didn't know what

do with it.

Marco, a .k .a. Phil Hines, spelled just like the catch -up.

is a friend of mine, and I don't remember exactly how we met.

I had just got out of prison, and I get a phone call. He goes, hey, man. I'm

like, bro, who are you?

He's like, it's me. It's me, Charlie Sheen.

I'm like, oh, my God, this has got to be a fucking prank.

But I kind of recognize his voice because the only shit they played in

was cops, George Lopez, and two and a half men.

At that time, I told my friend Barbie, I'm like, hey, are you down to go party

with Charlie Sheen?

And she's like, oh, hell yeah.

Charlie Sheen?

I'll fuck him for free, she said.

Every night for like the first two weeks, then to like every other night.

And each time I would go to him, it was $15 ,000.

Every single time.

Sometimes $20 ,000, sometimes $30 ,000.

It was just like, it was just like amazing. Like, oh my God.

There were some nights when it was just he and I, just hanging out, drinking and

watching movies and listening to music and just doing like normal kind of fun

shit, but just super high.

It was a tough decision because I had just got out of prison for a

charge.

And I just wanted to walk in the right direction in my life.

But then this opportunity came up and like, it was just like.

Kind of like winning the lottery. I mean, like, who wouldn't want to do it?

Every now and then, he'd start to do little things like he'd miss a day of

rehearsal. In the back of your mind, you're always wondering, well, you know,

obviously I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He shows up on Friday when we actually shoot in front of the audience, and he

knows his lines, and he does a great job.

Now will you admit you've got a problem?

I really don't know.

I think the last couple of years of the show, I was certainly aware that...

Things were coming unglued, and I was probably in a great deal of denial about

it as well.

Your mind goes into denial thing because your livelihood depends on his

livelihood. Everything's going to be fine. Everything's going to be fine.

going to be fine. It's all going to be fine.

Give me the phone.

Aw. Give it.

It's here somewhere.

Hold on. Let me just set this. Sorry, it's a deep pocket. Hold on.

If you know what I mean.

They would call me all the fucking time to go there because I can't get fired. I

was your ex -wife. I was already fired.

So when they were desperate, they were like, could you please come over and see

if he's alive?

We haven't seen him for two days.

And so then I would pound on his door and then I'd keep pounding. I'm like,

the fuck up.

And I remember I brought food, and John Cryer was there when I got there. And

I'm making sandwiches, and John was super nervous.

And he goes, what are you doing? I go, well, Kevin eaten, and I'm making

sandwiches. And then you see two or three hookers come down here.

And I remember John asking me, are you, you're making them sandwiches? I go,

well, yeah, I mean.

What do I say?

Sorry, because of what you do for a living, you don't get one of my white

mayo and mustard turkey cheese lettuce sandwiches.

It wasn't like I was making a gourmet sandwich.

Like, I'm trying to help keep him good.

That's the chair that you just fucking broke on you and made you bust your ass.

What are you doing with it? Of course it is.

Sometimes he would smoke so much crack he couldn't even speak. He would speak

tongues. He would call me and be like, I don't know. I'm like, what?

He's a crap.

I wake up one morning and TMZ is reporting that Charlie's Mercedes is at

bottom of a ravine. And I'm like, holy crap, did he drive off a flipping cliff?

So I go into work that day, and he comes in. He's like, hey, man. And I'm like,

hey, because I'm looking him up and down to see if there's scratch, because I

assumed that he was loaded. He drove off the cliff, somehow survived, and then

had to climb up the cliff to get back home.

That is not what occurred.

Charlie Sheen's Mercedes was stolen from his home in Hollywood Hills, then

pushed off a cliff along Mulholland Drive. And then it happened again.

Twice in four months. The same clip.

But he just appeared to take it in stride.

There's got to be something else going on in the world right now, right?

so much about his life that I will never understand.

I could not live with that in my life. That somebody stole my Mercedes and

it off a cliff twice would be something that would make me have a hard time

sleeping at night.

And then it was starting to show in the work.

Look, I understand your concerns, but it's not like that.

I could see his timing was off. He was clearly overcompensating for being

loaded. I mean, he would come in and he would be super friendly to everybody.

Hey, everybody, how's it going? And, you know, and he would hug crew members,

you know, who were like, hey, hi, Charlie, good to see you. What?

Great.

And that's when I was worried about Charlie every day. Every day I was like,

this the day that we're going to lose him?

I considered Charlie a friend, not just a colleague at work.

But there was fear that tragedy was right around the corner.

Yes, hi. My name is Dr. Nassif. I live in Beverly Park in Beverly Hills. Yes,

sir. I just got a call from the residence of Charlie Sheen.

He was very, very intoxicated.

Also, apparently in a lot of pain.

Kind of weird, the phone call I received.

All right, sir. Troubled 45 -year -old actor Charlie Sheen is back in the

spotlight. Yesterday morning, he was rushed to Cedars -Sinai Hospital in Los

Angeles. His father, Martin Sheen, was spotted there later that day.

TMZ reports Sheen was taken out of his home on a stretcher and loaded into an

ambulance. You're hearing things from TMZ. You don't know what's true.

You don't know what kind of shape he's actually in.

He's in detox after a cocaine and alcohol -fueled party a witness says

for days.

I've never seen someone so self -destructive. I thought maybe it was

a suicide binge.

We were all sure that he had OD'd and that he was probably very near death.

And it was terrifying.

But he just kept saying, no, no, no, you know, I'm in the hospital now, but next

week I'll be ready for the show.

Guy eventually shows up and he opens up his bag and he just dumps open.

I would say about five, maybe about this big, a tennis ball size, tennis ball

size of cocaine.

I would party with him for weeks at a time, which turned into months.

And sometimes my body just wouldn't take it no more.

And I would go home and sleep for a week or two.

And then when I would go back to party, he was still partying every single

night. And I thought to myself, like, damn, this guy's not human.

Charlie Sheen's biology, whether you're talking about that or just surviving the

kind of stuff that he has, it's a different chemical reaction.

And I think that there is something biologically different about him.

You know, we all sort of were looking at each other like, how do you deal with

this? How do you deal with somebody just so intent on?

bringing themselves down.

And he did this interview with Alex Jones, and I was stunned.

Let me just say this. There's nothing sort of deplorable in a certain Haim

Levine. Yeah, that's Chuck's real name.

Mistook this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro.

And I later found out part of the reason he was going on those crazy rants was

that he was using testosterone, that that combined with the drugs that he was

doing at the same time and drinking, which he was all doing again.

led him to just go on these manic episodes.

I mean, my testosterone was probably like 4 ,000.

Normal high is like 710.

So, yeah, that put me into crazy brain.

Fucking crazy brain.

I'm a peaceful man with bad intentions.

Okay, let's take sex time.

I've spent, I think, close to the last decade, I don't know, effortlessly and

magically converting your tin cans into pure gold.

Charlie's the cool guy you want to hang with. There's something magical about

the man. All that went away and was replaced by what one might

call a disease.

What I've come to really embrace in all this time since, so much of the

anger. In my personal life and the anger and the frustration of two failed

marriages and four new children and just never not finding any real success in

those pursuits, I decided to take out on Chuck.

And Chuck took it upon himself to shut the show down.

Are you taping this?

Are you taping everything now?

I have to go look at it.

Hi.

What's up?

Just got terminated by Warner Brothers. I know, so is mine. This is a really

good one. Any words for Warner Brothers? I said, see you at Fort Knox.

That's the only place with enough gold to pay off your treasonous ways.

Winner, fired.

Fired. Congratulations.

Fuck that show, man. That show was totally beneath me the whole fucking

was there. They never understood the fucking genius they had.

They abused it and they dismissed it, and now they're gonna lose.

Because they're not winning.

By the studio telling him no, I think that took his addiction to a higher

And he's just like, well, okay, I'll show them.

It's the weapon of the trolls.

Okay, I'll use it against them one day.

Find a way to harness it into .50 caliber stray thing runs.

So much of the public were cheering it on.

People get excited by train wrecks, unfortunately.

They wanted to see the train wreck

because we were in this new age where they could see all of it. Now that I

your lazy fucking intention world, sit back and rejoice for the Malibu Messiah.

The condor of Calabasas, the fucking warlock of your jealous face sits before

you. God knows if you offer it, people will take it. And take it, and take it,

and take it.

Charlie Sheen, in his own words.

ABC's Andrea Canning was the first to sit down with him this past Saturday

morning. There with him as our cameras started rolling at 5 .30 in the morning

and he sweated through an intense morning workout.

And at the end of our shooting, we wondered, as you no doubt will, what did

just witness?

And what will happen next to Charlie Sheen and his family? All these radio

have people thinking Charlie Sheen has got to be on drugs again. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah, I am on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen.

And it's not available because if you try it once, you will die. Your face

melt off and your child will weep over your exploded body.

Too much. It was stupid.

It's embarrassing.

Get him off camera. Keep him indoors.

Get him some help.

Put this train back in the station immediately, not just on the tracks.

Bring it in for repair.

Tell me about the last time you took drugs. Last time I took drugs, I

took more than anybody could survive.

What are we talking about? How much?

I don't know, man. I was banging seven -gram rocks and finishing them because

that's how I roll. I have one speed. I have one gear. Go. When Charlie said

he was smoking seven -gram rocks, he was smoking seven -gram rocks. I seen it

with my own eyes.

How do you survive that?

Because I'm me.

Because I'm me. I'm different. I just have a different constitution. I have a

different brain. I have a different heart. I have a different, you know, I

soccer blood, man.

There's a handful of people. In fact, most of the people that were at my level

or Charlie's level are dead.

We are like the last.

Survivors. If he had cancer, how would we treat him, you know?

The disease of addiction is a form of cancer.

I don't care if he's my dad or the guy down the street or someone that, like,

fell out of the sky.

No interest in that. I don't care if he's my dad. Back off with your

You know, he just made the choices he made.

I don't know if he knew what the consequences would be or anything.

Aren't you getting that I'm not interested in the past at all? It's just

who you are and, you know, what led to this place, so... Yeah, kind of, but

that's another paradigm I'd like to smash.

It got away from me. We win so radically in our underwear before our first cup

of coffee, it's scary.

Sheen calls them his goddesses. Are you anti -Semitic? Yeah, no. No, I'm not.

Why would I be? I mean, based on what? No, that's a mindset that... that I

never entertain.

He goes by the name Chuck Lorre. His real name is Charles Levine. But you

to call him Haim Levine. You took the Hebrew version, which I think people

wondering, why would he do that?

I read it off a vanity card and said, that's a joke. I don't know. I didn't

a big deal about it.

Sheen says he saw the name on one of the title cards Lorre inserts at the end of

each episode of the show and was simply trying to be funny. It got away from me,

and the public outcried to keep it percolating, to keep it thriving, to

crazy.

It was where I was taking my cues.

Okay, your passion is coming off as erratic to people. Right, well, you

my brain for five seconds and just be like, dude, can't handle it. Unplug this

bastard. Yeah, because it just fires in a way that is, I don't know, maybe not

from this particular terrestrial realm, you know?

When you've got tiger blood and Adonis DNA, man, it's like, get with the

program, dude. You've been given magic. You've been given gold.

It was intoxicating.

the response to that one interview charlie sheen is getting more popular by

day he gained more than 1 million followers on twitter in 24 hours it's

sheening of america we're just we're just seeing in our heads off sorry

america losers winning serious radio devoted an entire channel to him for a

Tiger Blood Radio.

Bakersfield Condors hosted Charlie Sheen Night. Buy one, get one. Tiger's blood

ice is in snow cones. And dress up like Charlie, get in for two and a half

bucks. Winning. Just winning. Winning.

Duh. Duh.

Winning. The troubled star continuing his assault on pop culture.

It's kind of an early image. I'm burning my own face, but I can't feel the heat.

But it's his references to warlocks and himself as one that has some people in

Salem a little upset.

You shall speak the names of the craft no more.

Charlie Sheen is not a warlock, for a warlock is a wise person who understands

the ways of the spirit world.

Winning, winning, winning, winning, winning.

As one poster on TMZ put it, Parents, make your kids watch this. If that

scare them away from drugs, nothing will.

I went over to the computer and I pulled the cord out. Went

over to the thing, turned off social media, turned off all of it.

You know, had to just keep the faith and the thought that he knows

we love him.

We know he loves us.

Hopefully that's enough.

Police removed his twins from the home, prompted by a restraining order from his

ex -wife. The incident was caught on tape by Radar Online.

With the boys, they didn't have anyone, and I'm like, it's either that or they

end up in foster care.

So I took them for almost a year.

What about as a dad? I mean, your kids are taken away last night. Are you

hurting at all?

Uh, yes, I am.

But on a battlefield, it's emotion and ego and panic that get in your way.

I was pursuing a lifestyle that didn't fit the reality.

There was a huge lawsuit at the time with the studio.

And so they were hanging on to a bunch of dough that they owed me.

And I had bills to pay, I had child support and all that fucking shit, and

couldn't pay it.

My managers approached me, and they said, we got a call from Live Nation,

they're curious if you'd like to do a tour.

And I was like, a tour of what?

The troubled actor is taking his bizarre behavior out on the road for Carly

Sheen Live, my violent torpedo of proof.

I think what your name is synonymous, and I don't mean this in a negative way,

is any trouble.

And I think, like, Torpedo of Truth is so brilliant because it's like, it just

sounds exciting.

I think you...

are an American outlaw. And I think that the reason you've got more Twitter

followers than anybody on the planet is that.

I think that a lot of people in the audience enjoy Charlie's scene

That he's living the life that they want. And a lot of them enjoyed the fact

that he could have the highest paying job on the earth, say this to his boss,

say this to his boss's boss, give everybody the finger, live his life, do

bit of drugs that he wanted. And they were mad that anybody was holding him to

limit. that anybody was stopping him really pissed them off.

That looks pretty good. I like that.

Whatever.

You know, untreated crazy over time doesn't get better. It gets fucking

And what do you say to the people who say that you're crazy or bipolar?

They don't know me.

It's called bipolar.

You guys know I'm bi -winning, right? Yeah.

I'm not sure what the fuck bipolar even means.

Where I let that thing take me.

In 100 days, maybe.

It's 100 days that really fucking hurt the people I love.

You know, put them through a lot of shit.

That was very hard to be in school because I would...

hear about things that I didn't even really know.

I never really felt normal at school.

I don't really have any friends from school except for like one.

And yeah, you know, he's a breath of fresh air. It's like, no, he's a guy who

got everything he ever wanted from this business. He just lost it and he's

having a tantrum. This whole thing happened because, uh...

Because I told my boss to fuck off.

In so many words.

It feels weird.

It feels like I'm watching somebody else.

And I don't look at that stuff by design.

It just creates such shame shivers, you know.

You have a good time tonight, everybody.

Should have worn a chevlar tonight.

New York's popular. Okay, well, the good news is Chicago's his number one city

for Twitter fans. They're there to fucking see him.

You know, there's an old movie called The Weekend at Bernie's.

It's the dead guy.

And there were times where it made me sad going to Charlie's house when he

have a bunch of people around. And I just felt like at times they would just

prop him up, get him to sign shit.

Was he in any condition to be out there like that? No.

I don't think so. You want to see a certain creature, if you will. You want

see a certain bad person doing crazy, insane, bad shit and

glamorizing it in some bizarre way and feeding it and then at the same

time demonizing.

I would have been nice if somebody had stepped in and just was like, whoa, hey,

whoa, this is not a spectacle for everyone's

folly.

This is a man that's in trouble.

It was a bunch of babble that no one could even understand.

It was so stupid.

I feel sorry for anyone who pays for these tickets for other cities.

If one more fucking person tells me just tell stories, I'm going to tell the

story of their firing.

But again, you know, I had to agree to all that shit.

You know, I lit the fuse.

I kind of had to deal with the concussion.

Size of the blast.

People excel at hypocrisy.

trending thought and being part of a pack that is better than is more than

and destruction i don't think it adds to anybody's happiness

but it's very stimulating when you do it and people are looking for that

stimulation and on the other side of it things get injured like charlie

and he'll be the first to say he took part in that

When that tour ended, man, I had a ton of shit. I had to suffocate.

I had to drown.

And I wanted to disappear.

I just wanted to get into a dark room with a bag of dope and not come out.

He was just really, you know, effed up at the time.

He would start crying. I would just give him a hug like, hey, man, I'm here for

you, man.

I'm here for you.

Tony Todd was always a friend and a true one.

I was just there to trying to support him and just be by his side, man.

He would get a lot of criticism from a lot of different people about that he

just around me for.

for the fun shit, you know, for the bonuses and the trips and all this

But I think he went also knowing that this group ain't going to handle any of

the stuff that I'll be looking for.

You know, I was glad that he was there down the hall in case some shit went

But I did always feel he deserved to be in the presence of just better things.

It's been nights where he kicked everyone out the house.

You know, everyone get out. But I'm there. I'm still there.

When I was staying at his place, I always had, like, the closest room to

And, of course, in the back of my mind, I always thought that, oh, man, one day

I'm just going to walk in that room and he's going to be gone.

He's going to be gone. And I don't know how I would be able to take that.

I just couldn't leave.

I couldn't leave, and I don't think he wanted me to leave.

You know, as a friend, man, I can't let this person die on my watch.

Oh, man.

Tough,

man. I was going to break down right there, man.

He got really thick.

He thought it was because he was detoxing from Coke. And I said, no, I've

you detox before.

This ain't it. The kind of fucking pain I was in, and Denise, I don't know if

she spoke to this or not, but headache and full body sweat that shouldn't

exist while you're still alive.

I thought there's something wrong. And I said, I don't want to scare you, but

when was the last time you have been tested for HIV?

I thought it was meningitis. I thought it was brain cancer. I thought it was

stomach, liver, something where they were going to walk in and say, get your

affairs in order.

And when they didn't say that, when they said the HIV diagnosis, I was kind of

fucking relieved because I knew that the technology of the medicine had gotten

to a place where you can live. You can have a normal freaking life.

It's cases that's more treatable than diabetes.

I'd already had five friends with the same situation.

I had to keep it to myself.

I didn't have to sign, like, an NDA or anything, but I had to keep it to

And I was happy to keep it to myself. I didn't really think it was anyone's

business. The advice I was being given at the time spoke to keep this under

wraps as long as possible.

I don't think any of us thought that Charlie would survive it.

It was that... It was that bad. And his body was breaking down. Everything, it

was terrible.

He knew he was loved through all of that. It increases. It's just more

more love, more support.

No shame, no judging.

It's just, you're here, you're loved.

Let's move forward. In that moment, I should have become a fucking vegetarian.

Instead, I became a crackatarian.

You know?

I just became very fond of him, you know what I'm saying? He's like, damn,

that's my bro right there. I'm like, I can't let that dude die. Like, he's too

fucking cool, you know what I mean?

His drug counselor at the time told me, is there any way that you can make it

less potent for him? And I told him, I'll try.

So little by little, I started to reduce the amount of cocaine that I was using

to cook the crack.

It looked exactly the same, but it was just... Less potent.

In my mind, I was purchasing and going through the same amount, but the

percentage was being gradually reduced. So they were trying to get me off

of crack by making weaker crack.

It took about a good year and a half, but that's how he got sober.

He actually just got tired of smoking.

Bunk crack, which he thought was good crack, and he just

stopped doing it. He just wanted to stop doing it. All of a sudden, he's like,

it's just a waste of time.

I was quite impressed when I found out later, I didn't know when it was going

on. Talk about being forced to think so far out the box that you

land on that.

You know, he's not going to stop. That's been established.

So, how do we get involved in a way that at

least puts him at, you know, less risk?

It speaks that I'm savable.

I'm worth saving.

I don't like to think of people by the worst thing they've done and the worst

person they've been because we're all complicated and we've all done things

we're not proud of and we've all done things that we are.

And I try not to judge.

And seeing, you know, somebody you know is capable of being a regular guy go off

into that, you sort of go, oh, okay, you know, something is broken

in him that may not ever be able to be repaired.

We're going to clear this whole room out entirely for this part of the day.

Everyone's got to be out of the room. That's cool. Thank you so much.

Now let's get into all the things you've never publicly talked about.

Yeah, last night, knowing that we were on the eve of doing this and what this

part was going to involve.

I was trying to remember what the feeling was. What were the feelings that

really familiar?

And what I connected it to was the night before I had to go testify in the Heidi

Fleiss mess.

And just what was expected of me then and what I knew I had to do and what my

marching orders were.

It was effectively a gun being held to your head at that moment. Sure. And in

this situation.

You're walking into that discomfort, right?

Yes, because just certain things, certain behaviors, certain

instances, memories, have just for too long had too

much power over me, and I'm tired of being held hostage by them.

The Corey game allegation, did that happen or did that happen? Absolute

bullshit. This is where everybody's going to, like...

Pause the doc and go find the fucking story and go for it.

At that point, they'll have read more of it than I have.

Corey Feldman had premiered his documentary last night at a screening in

He says that Corey Haim said actor Charlie Sheen had raped him while they

making the movie Lucas.

In a scene that drew gasps from the audience at the premiere, Feldman named

Charlie Sheen as Haim's alleged rapist.

I should have taken legal action against Feldman. You know, there's a lot of

good people in this industry, but there's also a lot of really, really

corrupt people in this industry.

But I didn't feel like giving that clown that much more, you

know, content.

He just went out of his way to, like, launch this thing. And we were friends

back in the day, or so I thought.

It's a piece of vile fiction, is what it is.

The guy's mom came out and said, this is impossible.

This is impossible.

So, yeah, no, that one was just blech.

Fuck off, you know?

So you

were sued multiple times for allegedly exposing

women to HIV.

Was there like a knowing sexual appetite when you were diagnosed that you

weren't being clear with people about?

No. No, I was up front.

There are some watching now who are probably thinking having sex with

Sheen is like playing Russian roulette.

Were you worried at all having unprotected sex with him? He was very

me initially about this.

I think that's an important thing to note.

So you knew the risks?

Yes, in fact, I did. I think it's just a lot of social stigma that came from

back when there wasn't treatment for this and this was a death sentence.

Nowadays, it's more of a comorbidity if it's regulated properly with the right

medication. And, you know, I was wearing condoms and just, you know, and by then

I was completely undetectable.

So, you know, I was checking every fucking box.

And they'd be going into the drawers in my bathroom photographing my meds, you

know. And those meds are only used for one thing in this life, you know.

And so they were sitting on...

Like these insurance policies.

And then I'd stop seeing them for married reasons. And then that's what

come out.

The threat of, we're going to expose your thing.

I had to pay them.

Pay them more.

Do you remember how much money was a part of those kinds of transactions?

If I got off cheap, it was half a mil.

For a single person? Yeah. And then that was getting off cheap.

That was getting them to agree like during the first conversation.

There was one that was 1 .4.

But you know what? In all the craziness, there's only one person in the entire

fucking mix that still has this thing, that has it, period.

And that's this guy.

Nobody got this from me.

Period, the end, full stop.

So... Whatever anybody was threatening or what they were claiming on that front

was absolute fucking bullshit.

That's important. So you're saying it's never been... No.

Never.

No.

So then in your own words, tell us where did your sexual journey ultimately take

you?

The tour is important because that crack cave I had to go into, coming out of

the insanity, that's when a lot of the hypersexuality occurred.

I think the best way to describe it is, you know, crack is a very, or base

cocaine, the higher brow version of crack, is a very sexual drug.

And, you know, if you're looking at a menu.

At some point, you're going to turn that fucker over.

Oh.

Oh, shit. What's all this?

Huh.

Yeah, let me start with... Let's go with that as an appetizer.

You know what?

Yeah, you know, here's what I'm thinking.

Let's just go with one of each.

Just bring me the chef's surprise, you know?

So... Rather than really talking about what's on the other side of the menu or

what dishes I specifically ordered, I think there's enough people that are

to come out of the fucking woodwork when they hear me present that and claim

a lot of stuff.

And some of it will be true.

Other parts of it won't be.

But at that point, it's out of my hands. And I guess I encourage them to just

have at it.

So this is the first time you're speaking publicly about having sex with

Pretty crazy shit. How does it feel?

It's liberating.

It's fucking liberating.

And it's... Like finally be able to say things? Just talk about stuff.

You know, it's like a train didn't come through the side of the restaurant. A

fucking piano didn't fall out of the sky.

No one ran into the room and shot me.

And so, no, it's... Uncharted.

Did the sexual...

journey wandered into both men and women like just at that time because of crack

or was that something that had been going on for a while no it that that's

started it okay that's that's where it was born or it sparked and then

in you know whatever chunks of time that i was off the pipe trying to um

you know navigate that trying to come to terms with it like where did that come

from what why did that come from

Why did that happen, you know?

And then just finally being like, so what?

So what?

Some of it was weird. A lot of it was fucking fun.

And life goes on.

Look at the state of the fucking world.

Look at the unflushed fucking toilet that we live in today and where we're

headed.

And, like, this?

This? The other side of that menu really fucking matters.

It really fucking matters.

And so what? Someone doesn't hire me because, oh, he did all that shit.

Whatever. Didn't want to work with you anyway.

But it's not as though you were sitting here being like, I fucking hate that

that happened.

You know what I mean? Oh, now I want to nuke the other side of the menu? Yeah.

No, I don't. I don't.

Because that wouldn't make any sense.

Yeah. Nothing rational about that.

So walk us through how we end up here today, eight years sober.

I knew that the hourglass was down to its final few grains, you know, that,

yeah, I could just feel it, you know, and I was one of these people that was

still, you know, carrying the torch for, I'm not doing, you know, I'm not doing

crack, I'm not taking pills, I'm not doing all that garbage. I'm just going

drink. I'm just going to drink.

Jaden. Yeah, I'm Charlie. Nice to meet you. Sorry I'm so fucking hairy. No,

you're cool, man. Hi, sweetie. How are you? Good. How are you? What's your

Tamara. Tamara?

Uh -huh. Hi. Hi.

Awesome. Wow.

Yeah. No, that, I think booze is the gnarliest drug on the planet, you know.

I had been drinking in the morning, and Sam called and said that she had a hair

appointment up in Moore Park, you know, and she was 12 or 13.

And she had to be there, like, in an hour. Like, shit, because I never drank

drove. So Tony was close by, and I said, we've got to get Sam up to this thing.

I can't drive.

Had a few pops, and he was like, you got it. So we got her up there around time,

and everything was smooth and cool, but it was the drive back, you know, the

drive back that broke my fucking heart.

Because I could see her, like, in the...

I wasn't driving, so I couldn't really see her in the rear view, but I could

catch little pieces of her in the side view.

And then she was just back there, and this is, I don't think she was on a

of any kind. She was just kind of, and I just, I knew that she was back there

wondering, why isn't this just a me and dad trip?

Why is Tony involved?

Nothing about Tony with her or whatever, but just about why did there have to be

this added element?

And just the way I felt in that moment, after that moment, thinking back on that

moment, it just felt like I let her down.

I carried that moment forward, and I just thought, okay, what can I do,

scheduled or spontaneous, when she or any of my other kids need something, I'm

the guy, I'm the go -to.

What can I do to...

to ensure that that's the case.

And it was pretty obvious.

Quit drinking.

Let's see where this takes us.

I only recently started living with him and stuff.

We're kind of opposites right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget everything, he remembers everything.

Like with bottles, I always open bottles a little bit and then don't finish it.

And then I accidentally leave the bottle out and then get another bottle to

drink and it drives him crazy.

Even though a lot of our personalities are really different, Like, they kind

like, fix, like, each other's mistakes.

When she's sober, she's great. So it's like, as long as she's sober, I'm happy.

Her timeline for recovery is just different from mine.

That's all.

And so, you know, she's chased the dragon a little longer than

she probably should have.

But she's starting to see that, you know, if you keep trading.

People for drugs, at some point you're just going to be left with the drugs.

Charlie really stepped up when my stuff was going dark.

And it was really dark.

And he had all the reason not to be there for me.

Because when you're not in your right mind, you become a terror for other

in your life.

And now he's taken the role of...

The one who is the responsible protector, especially with the boys. Oh,

they're filming this. Yeah, we talked to them. Okay, so hold on. Hey, hey, how

are you? Hi. Hey, good to see you.

Wow.

How's the interview for the documentary going?

It's going so great. Thank you for asking. Awesome, awesome. Good, good,

Well, we're honored to have you participate.

Well, thank you. The honor is all mine.

And so now he has this role that is very different than...

the role he used to have and it's pretty beautiful magical and i think it's like

a perfect living amend he's already gone bigger and better than

anyone ever can that's called his kids right you can't there's no bigger movie

than that right there's no bigger stardom than that

I always call him when I need something, anything.

I always feel like he's the first person who will answer the phone immediately,

and he'll also drop everything to come help me.

We started getting pedicures and smoothies together every, like, three

a month, and it's just nice because I never used to have one -on -one time

him. I feel like it's a deeper connection than most kids have with

parents.

Oh, it's going great.

I still love him.

There's supporting players that are more important in the story than myself.

I can't imagine being my dad.

Can't even imagine it.

We banged heads a lot over the years.

We haven't for a long time. We came to a place that's been beautiful.

It's been nourishing.

What is true is that I'm proud of you.

You're my boy.

And I love you.

If I could put it in one word.

Gratitude.